< 1498867892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magic-114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52357 5* 03B jonas 5* (+4121) 10Created page with "'''Magic-1''' is a unique home-built microcomputer with a custom CPU. It was designed and developped mainly by Bill Buzbee. The hardware was built between 2005 and 2006, the..." < 1498867924 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1498868027 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498868054 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Changing host < 1498868054 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498868054 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 QUIT :Changing host < 1498868054 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498868068 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Integbot is running < 1498868141 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;integ 8096373705231173873515698288105814457559349996780213465927102169635143836763371455511239714251901656919412172053510347251766358525837584663686083361012968763343440510359069137201087033274943221529093137894442823663461959335745044107344)](125)](40)](41)](40)~(?({(@()))(1)())(}(+(1)(@()))(/({(@()))(10)))~(?(@())(1)())(_(@())](+(48)(%({(@()))(10))))~(](+(37)(%({())(90)))/(1)(}()(/({())(90))))() < 1498868158 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel < 1498868348 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I couldn't get your Integ quine to work for some reason. Maybe I have the wrong link < 1498868404 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you do it in the standalone interpreter? If so, a glitch may be preventing it from working < 1498868421 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1498869139 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26ze7mm4q737w3j4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498869270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1078 < 1498869271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1078: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1498869307 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day. New OOTS + understanding Rust well enough to do a thing I've wanted to do for years in Rust < 1498869674 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52358&oldid=52320 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+81) 10 < 1498869695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52359&oldid=52358 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+0) 10 < 1498869725 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52360&oldid=52359 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+0) 10 < 1498869872 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1498870678 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.39.40 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1498870742 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I object to being called a "newbie." < 1498870746 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer "n00b" < 1498870772 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <__kerbal> oerjan: I object to being called a "newbie." < 1498870774 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1313) <__kerbal> oerjan: I object to being called a "newbie." < 1498870778 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1498870779 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1498870785 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <__kerbal> oerjan: I object to being called a "newbie." <__kerbal__> I prefer "n00b" < 1498870787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1313) <__kerbal> oerjan: I object to being called a "newbie." <__kerbal__> I prefer "n00b" < 1498871156 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled quotes//1313s,l,l__, < 1498871159 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes// EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he shou < 1498871167 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1313 < 1498871168 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1313) <__kerbal__> oerjan: I object to being called a "newbie." <__kerbal__> I prefer "n00b" < 1498871216 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: i don't generally use that style of spelling hth < 1498871600 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1498871686 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498872304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have principles against claims expressed with "should" hth < 1498872361 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:915a:5e72:3727:c64a QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1498872372 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see http://www.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/writing/prose/text/epistemologicalNightmare.html hth < 1498872505 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S IRRELEPHANT < 1498872528 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a discussion of the word "should" around halfway through hth < 1498872538 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1498872652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my haziness prevents me from reading that far, especially since i've already read (at least some of) that before and find it grating. < 1498872925 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not confusing at all < 1498873043 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Really? It doesn't even seem that it seems red to me? It sure seems like it seems like it seems red to me!" < 1498873137 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498873304 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1498873845 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498873850 0 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Client Quit < 1498873991 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have the same aversion to "shouldn't"? < 1498874259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ER < 1498874285 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1498874482 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498874910 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so you know, the upcoming fungot outage is due to a planned maintenance window. < 1498874911 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you get too far as i could, but we need to get that " video games, but < 1498874922 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1498874957 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the quit message is because it's running through a bouncer to work around the "can't reconnect automatically" misfeature.) < 1498875162 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :same bouncer that Gregor uses, it seems. < 1498875182 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1498875211 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you feeling okay? < 1498875211 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord i've always had a studly soundcard ( gus?) or something. :p)) < 1498875217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as okay as always. < 1498875309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a company summer party thing, two people asked about the fungot shirt again. < 1498875310 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also lisp in general). they were the start of the isr to the right? i.e. is the eip value? < 1498875353 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does fungot need a soundcard for, let alone a studly one? < 1498875353 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it would get bigger in time and attach a debugger and hack it a bit < 1498875360 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1498875483 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you get fungot shirts? < 1498875483 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: it contains several esolang puzzles in it this year! < 1498875501 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That didn't answer my question, by ok < 1498875504 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1498875508 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy one < 1498875513 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't normally expect fungot to meaningfully answer your question < 1498875513 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your mind suddenly finds your dumb mistakes. i've never used scheme for software development and therefore know nothing about astronomy? < 1498875525 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know < 1498875532 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One wishes < 1498875543 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, in all seriousness, where would you get one? < 1498875560 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are companies who'll make arbitrary T-shirts for you, I'm sure they'd be willing to make a fungot shirt < 1498875560 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tough to find wooden shoes in portland, oregon. < 1498875600 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1498875602 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1498875602 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: you haven't seen it. i've done quite a lot of stupid in learning, the wheat/ chaff split is being able to load that. page. :p < 1498875681 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: ais523: I got a free "print your own T-shirt" coupon from a thing for one of those companies, and used them. < 1498875809 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1498875843 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What algorithm does fungot use? < 1498875843 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: i only occasionally glance at c.l.s to remind myself of how they all work fine. < 1498875891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: markov chains < 1498875906 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got https://zem.fi/tmp/fungot_shirt_front.png printed on it, except in theory the black part is transparent, on a naturally black shirt. < 1498875906 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmmm... a minikanren talk but no presentations by oleg? s pages first. eh.) period when 50 of the fnord swastika and the zen ss" < 1498876008 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't fit all of it in and keep it readable, so it's just the babbling bit. < 1498876021 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've seen that before, what is that code? < 1498876033 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just fungot. < 1498876033 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the c you can read the logs first < 1498876064 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1498876110 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a really neat design < 1498876242 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498876471 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can definitely recommand https://rapanuiclothing.com/custom-printed-mens-t-shirts/ if you need a custom-printed shirt, the print quality was pretty nice. The process they use doesn't result in super-sharp lines, but it also doesn't look/feel like it's a sticker on top of the fabric. < 1498876815 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I did, I'd go local < 1498876927 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's maybe a more relevant recommendation for the other UKers. < 1498876950 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does a UK company have a web page ending .com? :-( < 1498877049 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hwy, BBC's website redirected me to a .bbc.com URL today. < 1498877064 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Hwy/Hey/ < 1498877149 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally it sticks to bbc.co.uk but for some settings it took me to account.bbc.com or some such. < 1498877195 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thought I'd do that account setup since iPlayer keeps reminding me they'll make it mandatory sooner or later.) < 1498877404 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have any TLD you want, if the TLD allows it < 1498877581 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the conventional .ac.uk names, they're often delightfully short. < 1498877604 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ox.ac.uk, cam.ac.uk, shef.ac.uk and so on. < 1498877679 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a coauthor with a @dcs.shef.ac.uk email. Very retro. < 1498877681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my workplace was bham.ac.uk for ages < 1498877690 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they decided to change to birmingham.ac.uk for some reason < 1498877696 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :email is still bham.ac.uk, though, thankfully < 1498877823 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours changed from hut.fi to tkk.fi (from the English to the Finnish abbreviation), and then to aalto.fi for the merging/rebranding. Maybe that's fair, can't really meaningfully shorten "aalto". < 1498877847 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498878034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( they were the same for ages, and then *BHAM* they changed ) < 1498878087 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have uiuc.edu but now we have illinois.edu which is annoying < 1498878172 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498878181 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1498878833 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498878875 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sacrifice a permanent that is attached to ~: ~ deals damage to target creature or player equal to converted mana cost of sacrificed permanent. < 1498879286 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the idea. Possibly also: You control all permanents that are attached to ~. < 1498879649 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: now I'm wondering how that second ability interacts with a Control Magic effect < 1498879685 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if I control a creature "You control all permanents that are attached to ~", and you cast an aura "You control enchanted creature" on it, who ends up controlling what? < 1498879840 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a layer 2 effect. The effect with the earliest timestamp applies first. I think that the Aura will now be controlled by the same controller as "You control all permanents that are attached to ~" because the Aura has a later timestamp. (I don't know if there is a way using existing cards and this new one to reverse the order of the timestamps) < 1498880734 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1498881937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498887352 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1498888245 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498894520 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1498897549 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1498900164 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1498900666 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498901238 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52361&oldid=52360 5* 03Int-e 5* (+480) 10/* Quine */ < 1498901366 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell __kerbal__ I've added the quine to the Integ page; the thing you tried was a mispaste of a 474 character quine (missing the first 80 characters) that turned out to be too long for IRC after all. < 1498901366 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1498902088 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zayne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52362&oldid=52354 5* 03Zayne 5* (+118) 10 < 1498902099 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zayne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52363&oldid=52362 5* 03Zayne 5* (+12) 10/* Interpreters Made */ < 1498902166 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you can't be Zayne, that's boily's job ) < 1498902280 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's inzayne < 1498902333 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498902347 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noitdoesntello < 1498902502 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52364 5* 03Zayne 5* (+767) 10Created page with "2017 is a programming language created by [[User:Zayne|Zayne]], loosely based off of 2014, it was made only to be used in the year 2017. If the year isn't 2017 then it will er..." < 1498902516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52365&oldid=41562 5* 03Zayne 5* (+23) 10 < 1498902531 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2017 < 1498902538 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1498902585 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52366&oldid=52364 5* 03Zayne 5* (+6) 10 < 1498902614 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zayne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52367&oldid=52363 5* 03Zayne 5* (+60) 10 < 1498902640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52368&oldid=52366 5* 03Zayne 5* (+2) 10 < 1498902665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52369&oldid=52368 5* 03Zayne 5* (+0) 10/* See Also */ < 1498902683 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52370&oldid=52365 5* 03Zayne 5* (+2) 10/* See Also */ < 1498902865 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, am I the only one who finds this wikipedia UI element confusing? http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/active_tab%3f.png < 1498903085 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1498903117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do sometimes use that to go to the current revision from an old one. < 1498903137 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's weird when you consider it alongside the other tabstrip to the right < 1498903147 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from an edit page, or the like < 1498903221 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use it to get to the current page, but it takes me a conscious effort to recall that even though it looks like the rider of the currently displayed "tab", it really isn't. < 1498904347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1498904739 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hardfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52371 5* 03Zayne 5* (+4354) 10Created page with "'''Hardfuck''' is a [[Brainfuck]] derivative created by [[User:Zayne|Zayne]] (why am I not surprised) and as the name suggests it is supposed to be harder than Brainfuck. == C..." < 1498904761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zayne14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52372&oldid=52367 5* 03Zayne 5* (+17) 10/* My Esolangs (including jokes) */ < 1498905969 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498906061 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498906467 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26ze7mm4q737w3j4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1498907612 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1498908122 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498908156 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498908209 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1498908401 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498908433 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498908584 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1498909446 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1498909648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498910542 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498910739 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498910890 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498912094 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1498912104 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1498912127 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :Guest46480 < 1498912373 0 :Guest46480!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Changing host < 1498912373 0 :Guest46480!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1498912373 0 :Guest46480!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1498912545 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:641a:f538:ac8f:a3a9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498913010 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498913044 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498913296 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1498916308 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498917204 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498917581 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498918518 0 :led!~led@46.139.176.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498919052 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1498919413 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1498919432 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Client Quit < 1498919503 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1498919737 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Client Quit < 1498920102 0 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498920196 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498921730 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1498921745 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498921978 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What version of the interpreter are you testing the quine with? < 1498922013 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Let me try again < 1498922058 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1498922256 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... I see. It's chopping off the end of the quine. Let me try the offline version < 1498922537 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ok, it works now. < 1498922743 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1498923674 0 :sebbu3!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1498925200 0 :led!~led@46.139.176.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1498925259 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:641a:f538:ac8f:a3a9 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1498925306 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498925703 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the address of the "2017 server"? I made up a implementation of joke program language "2017", but it should need to specify the "2017 server"; currently it just uses localhost but it should be changed to the proper address of the server. < 1498925754 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, it has ipv4 address 2017 < 1498925791 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work. < 1498925812 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0.1.7 is a valid IPv4 address, but I have no idea who owns it < 1498925845 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried 2017, although now I tried 2.0.1.7 and that doesn't work either. < 1498925860 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1498925876 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there isn't such a server tey? < 1498925878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yet < 1498925881 0 :led!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498925887 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pick any server that returns the date and time < 1498925897 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some NIST server maybe < 1498925964 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the address of the NIST server? < 1498926025 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :129.6.15.30 < 1498926056 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, it work < 1498926108 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its far away from you geographically, but i think the extra time wasted is in the spirit of the language < 1498926143 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1498926148 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you referring to https://esolangs.org/wiki/2017 ? < 1498926200 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that page is horribly formatted < 1498926203 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a moment < 1498926209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52373&oldid=52369 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+768) 10Make implementation < 1498926223 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Yes < 1498926231 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1498926310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52374&oldid=52373 5* 03Ais523 5* (+28) 10clean up the formatting a bit < 1498926465 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was an automatically resolved edit conflict < 1498926471 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often does /that/ happen on esolangs.org? < 1498926530 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1498926610 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is almost never < 1498926614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a chance this was the first time ever < 1498926635 0 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cewzpxzoeslfaxnv JOIN :#esoteric < 1498926719 0 :kapil___!uid36151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cewzpxzoeslfaxnv QUIT :Client Quit < 1498928376 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1498928385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498930414 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498930633 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498930810 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1498930833 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498930836 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498930993 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498932807 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498932905 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1498933145 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integ's getting a package system. I'm testing it over at #esoteric-blah < 1498933197 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone is interested < 1498933492 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1498934303 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498935036 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1498935036 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: or something like that, that's an 8-bit character encoding < 1498936142 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy Canada Day Everyone < 1498936659 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you answer these quiz of Canada Day: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/canada.day < 1498937101 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1498937280 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498938296 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498938538 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2546:1ce1:493b:d213 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1498938649 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1498939295 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hardfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52375 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+246) 10Created page with "I think that a subset of hardf*** (the subset not including @ and \) is almost exactly equivalent to brainf***. Therefore, hardf*** is almost undoubtedly Turing-complete. ~~~~" < 1498939321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hardfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52376&oldid=52375 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+0) 10 < 1498939384 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hardfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52377&oldid=52376 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+19) 10 < 1498939515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about bricks and brains < 1498940158 0 :__kerbal__mobile!aeffc4b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.196.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498940689 0 :__kerbal__mobile!aeffc4b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.196.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498940792 0 :led!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1498940839 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, hardfuck? < 1498941240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52378&oldid=52349 5* 03B jonas 5* (+29) 10 < 1498941263 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52379&oldid=52351 5* 03B jonas 5* (-61) 10 < 1498941377 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know these questions? < 1498941469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not Canada. < 1498941532 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( not glorious nor free ) < 1498941551 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm gonna make bf harder by giving it more shortcut commands!"? < 1498942144 0 :madgoat!~GK.1WM.SU@192.240.212.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498942184 0 :madgoat!~GK.1WM.SU@192.240.212.2 PART #esoteric : < 1498942660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498943133 0 :led!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498943857 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyumans < 1498943862 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hooman < 1498943865 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1498944022 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before / after: https://zem.fi/tmp/cover.jpg < 1498944026 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Went for a walk.) < 1498944502 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a flying pig... < 1498944574 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1498944580 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :An inflatable one. < 1498944740 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that only two of the chimneys were in use? < 1498945395 0 :Kerbal!aeffc4b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.196.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498945659 0 :Kerbal!aeffc4b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.196.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498947001 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498947819 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that Battersea? < 1498948008 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yep. < 1498948898 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case it wasn't clear, the left side is the cover of the Pink Floyd album Animals. < 1498949112 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote the specification for Unusenet. < 1498951178 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1498951204 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1498951454 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498951728 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498951757 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52380&oldid=52361 5* 03Kerbal 5* (-20) 10 < 1498951977 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26ze7mm4q737w3j4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498953580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1498955343 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I wasn't impressed by hardf*** < 1498955349 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1498955422 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's literally just bf with renamed commands, maybe a slightly altered input thing and 2 extra commands < 1498955466 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it may be easier < 1498955475 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498955527 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not harder < 1498955579 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has Zayne ever come on #esoteric? < 1498955750 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to do another scheduled fungot maintenance, sorry. < 1498955750 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i can't really give you the ' declare' stuff in 30 seconds ( this is the < 1498955753 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498955768 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1498955808 0 :led!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498956179 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1498956194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: All done, I hope. < 1498956195 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( which is an instruction for being a bad idea anyway :) recursive descent parsing < 1498956411 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1498957180 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1498957591 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498957715 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1498957715 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1498957719 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1498957738 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1498957738 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1498957751 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evening, mr. fungot < 1498957753 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr president, we want to make it clear that saddam hussein is a bloodthirsty dictator who is weak and will weaken your commission’s power as a deputy within this chamber, that we should wait for the council minutes specify that the commission will inform parliament at the moment, it is better to refrain from using it. the commission will see to it that the framework agreement because it will be difficult or even impo < 1498957781 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a pretty direct quote < 1498957792 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a large part < 1498957813 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498957818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498958441 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498958564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498958623 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1498958799 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1498959077 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Should the ECJ be responsible for watching over the rights of EU nationals in the UK in the future? < 1498959078 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i welcome the fact that if we allow this committee to adopt? will its meetings be public, as the honourable member now speaking; namely, the new work which we have not asked you not to do this we must have an accurate idea of the extent to which private interests are opposed to this project. < 1498959193 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't really have a tool to decompose these, but it is at least somewhat a composite. For example, the "saddam hussein is a bloodthirsty dictator who is weak" bit is from two different places. < 1498959216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly both were talking about Saddam Hussein. < 1498959216 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nice < 1498959244 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Saddam Hussein is a bloodthirsty dictator, a real threat to peace." & "Saddam Hussein has not been so weak for ten years or so. He is a bloodthirsty dictator who is weak and who is now incapable of attacking other countries." < 1498959323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by a switch to something else altogether: -- your candidate is weak and will weaken your Commission’s power as a whole. < 1498959346 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked out surprisingly well, heh < 1498959641 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1498959652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europarl has a decent hit rate. I don't know if that's some sort of a comment about politics. < 1498959700 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498959705 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So what about that generous proposal, huh? < 1498959706 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am very concerned that pensioners and elderly people lived through the second part, however, is the subject of forests in the mediterranean < 1498959724 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How did you feel about Brexit? < 1498959726 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, commissioner, do you not think that it is a step towards establishing the future european police college will be taken to put an end to the bloodshed. we believe crime must be done without any complexes of an ideological or any other european institution, should be developed in this country, there are three points but i mainly want to mention that we were deeply disappointed that it did not prove possi < 1498959748 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... fungot is pro-Brexit or pro-crime? < 1498959749 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: i would like to ask whether he perhaps needs an aspirin c. i should like to highlight an incident of a completely uniform system. if, however, unable to allow this, whilst shipowners who can purchase ships at far below their cost price come out on top. < 1498959780 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro-ships. < 1498959807 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other styles does fungot have? < 1498959808 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, in the clearest terms from the commission, although any such external affairs commissioner should of course have delayed our rescue operation as we would have promised and agreed things which cannot be achieved already through regional conferences. i referred earlier, during my visit to london, there was not enough to replace those of the european union < 1498959813 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1498959813 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1498959827 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of them work particularly well. < 1498959832 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I try one? < 1498959886 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, there's strong precedent in letting that particular bot spam the channel. (You can do it in privmsg, but you'll hit the at-most-four-replies-in-a-row limit pretty fast.) < 1498959898 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1498959898 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1498959904 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you, fungot? < 1498959904 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: meh shes not what you'd expect! turning a game? and how much has happened over the last clips there werent hardly any people...its fake? < 1498959910 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow < 1498959921 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1498959946 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees the dark side of YouTube embodied < 1498959964 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is like from a total of 3 videos (the data was collected by someone else, and crawled manually), so it can be a little samey. < 1498959973 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one of them was a plane crash. < 1498959982 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Those pilots did a great job though, right? < 1498959982 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you asshole i was 19 when this came on!!! lol i dribbled might will be a model. first, i wouldn't even care that you actually spoke when not authorized? stfu yourself slam-mules-ass. < 1498959992 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's very YouTube. < 1498959999 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1498960005 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice < 1498960005 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) < 1498960009 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1498960016 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1498960019 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is a jabberwocky? < 1498960019 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: " but what's the good of having six legs, my dear, i turned cold to the very moment that she picked them? even real scented rushes, you know, they hadn't any feet. < 1498960061 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source texts does FUNGOT use? < 1498960080 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s//What < 1498960084 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no canonical list. A bunch are from Project Gutenberg. < 1498960128 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1498960138 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europarl, Enron and sms are freely available corpora. 'fisher' I sneaked out of my former university. < 1498960169 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enron has a corpus? < 1498960182 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Enron email leak. < 1498960188 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron < 1498960188 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) < 1498960212 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent choice < 1498960218 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, not really a "leak", it became public as part of that one investigation. < 1498960235 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of the styles didn't get enough cleaning-up and unformatting done, so they can be pretty messy. < 1498960243 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you engaged in any suspicious business practices? < 1498960244 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the value of the free world thank goodness we don?t have. swd joe richards, and above mentioned questions on the espeak site < 1498960254 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think you could add nixen's tapes as well? < 1498960332 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ct' and 'ff7' are fan-made trascripts of the corresponding games, 'nethack' is from NetHack data files, 'wp' is from the Wikipedia XML dump (1% talk page sample), the webcomics are I think mostly crawled from their wikia wikis. < 1498960337 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498960358 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which webcomics? < 1498960378 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck, iwcs, pa, qwantz. < 1498960410 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and oots. < 1498960531 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says that this is the only place irregular web comics strips gets abbreviated to iwcs < 1498960596 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually IWC-S, to distinguish it from IWC-[something else], but the other one didn't really work at all so I never installed it. < 1498960611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where 'S' stands from 'script', possibly. < 1498960619 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'ct' style has generated some memorable quotes, though it lost some of its personality when I fixed a bug that was biasing the probabilities and leading it to get stuck in a loop often. < 1498960631 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1498960631 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1498960633 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can that sword alone stop it? < 1498960633 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to the northwest of this cape. he took back the medal from the frog king. and i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! < 1498960652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, it's quite a sight. But can it stop it? < 1498960652 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now...! < 1498960667 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1498960671 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still pretty repetitive, there's not that much content.) < 1498960688 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1498960688 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1498960694 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how are you? < 1498960695 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: da i hav clas), just giveme the total value. create a contact on indyarocks.com < 1498960705 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1498960709 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of SMS shorthand in that one. < 1498960714 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how r u? < 1498960714 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if i start sending blackberry... c u at nyt... < 1498960730 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is stupid < 1498960731 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: just in time to rehearse for the bestpresentation demo. i only ask abt dat piano class 2rw... bt girisha.) < 1498960743 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't react as harshly as I hoped < 1498960753 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was just trying to get a rise out of it) < 1498960767 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually really cool < 1498960769 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot wtf < 1498960770 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: hey in arasur:-) 2) 3) pass this to people including me. a blessing. fr. japan is say only < 1498960796 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot pokemon sucks < 1498960796 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i want to sent mesages. but u'l talk to ya. mery dant rahi? erik needs it < 1498960826 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot bye < 1498960827 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: in a party in tarpon springs cuts at chap 2 lor! thank you star i see tonight second show:-) < 1498960837 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That actually made some sense < 1498960842 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot good morning < 1498960842 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: sorry i am in practice. be there in a minute. i go toilet first... where u? starting to become an issue... maybe i stay in xinrou house hibernate.outside wet just for me. happy to help anytime :) < 1498960860 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i go toilet first" < 1498960923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the majority of the people who donated to that corpus were native English speakers. < 1498960947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1498960948 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms* speeches ss wp youtube < 1498960956 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz < 1498960956 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011) < 1498960969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: now that's how you speak english < 1498960969 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at a speed of over eight hundred thousand things to save the city, and the skyline is dominated by billboards, ads like that burn my biscuits, pal, or go to an early gravy! wait, what the heck's going on? < 1498961010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surely iwc must be crawled from the site itself, it has most meticulous transcripts) < 1498961032 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, it probably is. < 1498961044 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think the same is true for homestuck. < 1498961080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have the source materials for many of these styles, since I trained a bunch of the models at the university. < 1498961118 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a segmentation fault when using valgrind. Is it supposed to do that? < 1498961139 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A segementation fault can mean a lot of things. < 1498961143 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style iwcs < 1498961143 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts) < 1498961155 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, I am your mother < 1498961155 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: how do you keep doing that?! pointing to the skeletal in some depictions, this transition can take place anywhere, and a killer taipan < 1498961165 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no D&D) < 1498961170 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1498961197 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1498961213 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is nethack? < 1498961243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Google™ Search™? < 1498961246 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1498961246 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1498961247 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are cockatrices good to eat? < 1498961247 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pelias: conan cried out sharply and recoiled, thrusting his companion uneasily. " its outer surface will be very pleased if you thought the wizard will give you a gentleman? < 1498961261 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a grouch? < 1498961263 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game where you play a hacker trying to create a botnet < 1498961285 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Should I zap myself with a random wand? < 1498961285 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they say that some potions contain a ghost inside! i'm being held prisoner in a linear combination has no really scaring effect whatsoever, ( chapter epsilon), and the lord rose and went forth halting; but there were five tall figures: two standing on the peels. < 1498961306 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being held prisoner in a linear combination sounds plenty scary to me. < 1498961320 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably something to do with the matrix of whateveritwas. < 1498961406 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? matrix of solidity < 1498961407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix of solidity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1498961412 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does linear combination appear in the corpus? < 1498961413 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it in R2 or R3? I think I'd be ok with the latter... < 1498961465 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: data.base, "s*d*g*r* cat". < 1498961482 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To the outside observer, the cat is indeed in a linear combination of being alive and dead, --" < 1498961491 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1498961494 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://cmubash.org/?1491 hth < 1498961525 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hardfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52381&oldid=52377 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+216) 10 < 1498961621 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "held prisoner" part came from the fortune cookie that says "Help! I'm being held prisoner in a fortune cookie factory!", which incidentally is technically counted as a false rumour. < 1498961665 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we know that it is false < 1498961715 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The five tall figures are Nazgûl, though in the original source material two of them weren't, in fact, standing on banana peels. < 1498961857 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1498961886 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498962058 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what about the other 3 ) < 1498962100 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hardfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52382&oldid=52381 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+444) 10 < 1498962615 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498963261 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1498964139 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e92e:b66a:2268:3483 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498964657 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1498965451 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kerbal 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Integ-Logo.JPEG10]]" < 1498965482 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1498965488 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:hppavilion_m//hppavilion_m is the hppavilions modulo m \ compiler//A compiler (lit. “with-piler”) is one who builds piles together with someone else. \ schaf//"Schaf" is german for "sheep". There is absolutely no relation to shachaf. \ phantom_hoover//Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. \ Я/ < 1498965506 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1498965507 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:/Я is the 9th letter of the hsilgnE alphabet < 1498965612 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498965862 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-scwkkwclapcgxrim JOIN :#esoteric < 1498966440 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japan cats say "nyan" and meow means you look good < 1498966478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cats < 1498966479 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are cool, but should be illegal. < 1498966481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1498967370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1498967376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:heffalump//A heffalump is similar to a lump of sugar, but with honey instead. \ qdb//qdb is used like: `quote; `quote regexp; `quote id; `addquote ...; `delquote id; `pastequotes regexp; `pastenquotes [n]; see also quoteformat \ colour//14C03o06lour is 10a 02p04henomenoun 10fr07oum13 ou11t03e11ur 13s02p04acue 13de03sign02e13u < 1498967380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1498967381 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:d11 t10o13 d04ri08v02ue 10h12um06an04i02tuy i14ns09a04nue an14d 11bri13nug f13or08tuh t02he n10ew05 12age14 of Cth11u09l10hu. \ wumpus//Wumpus the Hunted is an early 70s action game in which the Wumpus is trapped in a dodecahedral labyrinth where it's chased by bats. It has to avoid traps and evade magical arrows that < 1498967382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1498967383 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3: are guided by a nefarious AI. \ protocoal//Protocoal is a bit of a wooden pun. < 1498967405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rules of wisdom < 1498967406 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation < 1498967424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess colour doesn't break the rules! < 1498967438 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? color; echo a < 1498967439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C03o06lor is 10a 02p04henomenon 10fr07om13 ou11t03e11r 13s02p04ace 13de03sign02e13d11 t10o13 d04ri08v02e 10h12um06an04i02ty i14ns09a04ne an14d 11bri13ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 12age14 of Cth11u09l10hu. \ a < 1498967831 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd color//s,$,, < 1498967833 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :color//14C03o06lor is 10a 02p04henomenon 10fr07om13 ou11t03e11r 13s02p04ace 13de03sign02e13d11 t10o13 d04ri08v02e 10h12um06an04i02ty i14ns09a04ne an14d 11bri13ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 12age14 of Cth11u09l10hu. < 1498967837 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd colour//s,$,, < 1498967839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour//14C03o06lour is 10a 02p04henomenoun 10fr07oum13 ou11t03e11ur 13s02p04acue 13de03sign02e13ud11 t10o13 d04ri08v02ue 10h12um06an04i02tuy i14ns09a04nue an14d 11bri13nug f13or08tuh t02he n10ew05 12age14 of Cth11u09l10hu. < 1498967898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? color; echo a < 1498967900 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C03o06lor is 10a 02p04henomenon 10fr07om13 ou11t03e11r 13s02p04ace 13de03sign02e13d11 t10o13 d04ri08v02e 10h12um06an04i02ty i14ns09a04ne an14d 11bri13ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 12age14 of Cth11u09l10hu. \ a < 1498967930 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -l '.*[^]$' < 1498967940 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant \ logs \ piet \ tip \ tmp < 1498967963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? brilliant; echo a < 1498967964 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04B҉ͭR̲̞Iͪ͞L̡͠L̝̊I̤ͣA̍҉N̏́T̈͡ 07̐̇ȉ̲s̉̐ 08̸̉ḷ̂i̪̱k͉ͬḛ็ 09͓̪t็ͬh̺̊e͜͢ 02͏͛B̈ͅE̳̘S̰ͤTͬͧ 06̰̕w̺̼o̷̓ŕ͂d̹̠ 13͍͑i͚̾n̺̮ 04̇͑t͗̍hͧ͌ḙ͕ 07̻͜ű̖ňͤi̴͠v̸̧ḛ͔ř̭s͍͠ẻ̗ 08͏̲a̮̺nͣ͟d̝ͨ 09̳͗i̟͘ẗ͎ 02̼̲ẘ̦i̭ͮl̢̋l̨̉ 06̺͌c̑͡h < 1498967973 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1498968004 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? logs; echo a < 1498968006 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1113I05 08thin13k13 y09o10u06 05m02i12g08h05t14 m03ea10n08 02!11l06og09s11 \ a < 1498968019 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 \? logs; echo a < 1498968021 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:1113I05 08thin13k13 y09o10u06 05m02i12g08h05t14 m03ea10n08 02!11l06og09s11 \ a < 1498968026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd logs//s,$,, < 1498968029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs//1113I05 08thin13k13 y09o10u06 05m02i12g08h05t14 m03ea10n08 02!11l06og09s11 < 1498968049 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? piet; echo a < 1498968050 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​6Piet 4is 7a 8really 9colourful 2programming 13language. \ a < 1498968054 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is hackego suddenly all colorful < 1498968074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: because we're checking for wisdoms that start color without ending it < 1498968084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which messes up listing several in a row < 1498968098 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1498968115 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? tip; echo a < 1498968117 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tip is 0,3[ $ ] if you're American, 12[ £ ] if you're British, and if you're Japanese. \ a < 1498968126 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should please get rid of the colours, with the possible exception of the entry for "color" and "colour" < 1498968130 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? tmp; echo a < 1498968131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp/ is a directory for files that are not worth saving in HackEgo history, but which should still outlive a single command. 04NOTE: It interacts funnily with HackEgo's lock and re-run commit check; files can 04DISAPPEAR if you don't know what you're doing. Basically, don't modify files inside and outside tmp/ in the same HackEgo command. \ a < 1498968153 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough < 1498968153 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they're essential for tip and tmp < 1498968170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and piet, i think. < 1498968197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant is _supposed_ to look annoying. < 1498968205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess logs could drop them. < 1498968214 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1498968223 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an obsolete wisdom anyhow < 1498968264 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, keep it for piet and if brilliant is supposed to look annoying that too. Remove for the others, including tip and tmp < 1498968282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498968308 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in tmp to mark a warning. tip would be entirely meaningless without the colors. < 1498968349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not _entirely_, but much less visual. < 1498968375 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are tips a common thing in the UK? < 1498968383 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that they're much less expected. < 1498968391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Logs: see channel topic. < 1498968394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'log': Logs: see channel topic. < 1498968396 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1498968403 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before < 1498968412 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/log//I think you might mean !logs < 1498968421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was right < 1498968443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? logs < 1498968444 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1113I05 08thin13k13 y09o10u06 05m02i12g08h05t14 m03ea10n08 02!11l06og09s11 < 1498968451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? log < 1498968453 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs: see channel topic. < 1498968456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget logs < 1498968458 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1498968588 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -l '[^]*$' < 1498968590 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant \ tip < 1498968598 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1498968610 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat -v wisdom/tip < 1498968611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tip is ^C0,3[ $ ]^C if you're American, ^C12[ M-BM-# ]^C if you're British, and if you're Japanese. < 1498968666 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tip//s, if, if, < 1498968667 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip//A tip is 0,3[ $ ] if you're American, 12[ £ ] if you're British, and if you're Japanese. < 1498968676 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498968707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd brilliant//s,$,, < 1498968709 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant//04B҉ͭR̲̞Iͪ͞L̡͠L̝̊I̤ͣA̍҉N̏́T̈͡ 07̐̇ȉ̲s̉̐ 08̸̉ḷ̂i̪̱k͉ͬḛ็ 09͓̪t็ͬh̺̊e͜͢ 02͏͛B̈ͅE̳̘S̰ͤTͬͧ 06̰̕w̺̼o̷̓ŕ͂d̹̠ 13͍͑i͚̾n̺̮ 04̇͑t͗̍hͧ͌ḙ͕ 07̻͜ű̖ňͤi̴͠v̸̧ḛ͔ř̭s͍͠ẻ̗ 08͏̲a̮̺nͣ͟d̝ͨ 09̳͗i̟͘ẗ͎ 02̼̲ẘ̦i̭ͮl̢̋l̨̉ 06͌ < 1498968730 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter because it's obviously too long, but that makes the grwp clean. < 1498968736 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -l '[^]*$' < 1498968737 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip < 1498968757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1498968761 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed /g < 1498968772 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tip//s, if, if,g < 1498968774 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip//A tip is 0,3[ $ ] if you're American, 12[ £ ] if you're British, and if you're Japanese. < 1498968779 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -l '[^]*$' < 1498968780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1498968783 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAR < 1498968812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now all wisdoms are `5 compliant hth < 1498968853 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom ngevd < 1498968854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd//ngevd is a fake wisdom entry because having an actual infinite file in wisdom/ makes all manner of stuff bloody awkward. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ also t​swett‼ < 1498968923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems tricky to "fix" < 1498968956 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, can't spout an infinite file either) < 1498969510 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e92e:b66a:2268:3483 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1498972202 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1498972497 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1498972503 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:marmite//Marmite is a hive mind of fungal microorganisms spreading throughout the supermarkets of the Commonwealth. \ erlang//Erlang has tricked people into loving global mutable variables while pretending to embrace immutability. \ mips//MIPS Is Popular in Schools. \ links//links is one of the very few HTML renderers that doesn't try to store < 1498972515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1498972516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:a full document tree with heavyweight objects for each node just in case javascript wants to modify it later, so it's the only engine that can render those HTMLs that are automatically converted from a PDF and put each letter in a separate element. \ log//Logs: see channel topic. < 1498972571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits erlang < 1498972579 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän Sgëo < 1498972604 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg mips < 1498972611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4034:2013-11-20 learn MIPS Is Popular in Schools. \ 4033:2013-11-20 learn MIPS Is Popular In Schools. < 1498972646 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd mips//sSchoolsSingaporeS < 1498972648 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips//MIPS Is Popular in Singapore. < 1498973186 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498974637 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd mips//sPopularProhibitedP < 1498974639 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips//MIPS Is Prohibited in Singapore. < 1498975683 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-scwkkwclapcgxrim QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1498976198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Did you invent your fancy better-than-SQL query language yet? < 1498976216 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not yet, no < 1498976230 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think it would be like? < 1498976235 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Though Ryan's been working on some cool stuff, and I'm excited to see how that turns out < 1498976250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on relations or something else? < 1498976266 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's using Conal's constrained categories stuff to translate nearly arbitrary Haskell code into SQL queries < 1498976307 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL is simultaneously remarkably expressive and frustratingly unexpressive. < 1498976339 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the hope being that we can avoid our current issue of needing to write everything twice: once in Haskell to filter a bunch of Maps and once in SQL to pull stuff out of the DB < 1498976364 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good, but I care about query languages in a cross-language way. < 1498976380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think all code should be in Haskell. < 1498976399 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only think almost all code should be in Haskell < 1498976444 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Maybe you should go work for Target with conal and all the Haskell people there. < 1498976461 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but Obsidian is pretty nice too < 1498978252 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, what do Obsidian do? Unless you're, like, working in an Elder Scrolls game, which is cool too I guess < 1498978476 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Obsidian Systems -- we build web and mobile applications for various clients, entirely in Haskell, and using Reflex and Reflex-DOM. < 1498978664 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe you should work at target hth < 1498978962 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1498978986 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, does Target write any Haskell in Europe < 1498979005 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, that sounds pretty cool! < 1498979011 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have various remote employees using Haskell, including one in India? < 1498979045 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1498979182 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1498979549 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( is shikhin that employee ) < 1498980340 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:5809:7c57:7083:57d4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498981399 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:5809:7c57:7083:57d4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1498982897 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1498985616 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:459f:d1a6:8769:bfb3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498986502 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:459f:d1a6:8769:bfb3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1498986845 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498988834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1498991547 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498991691 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1498991695 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1498991828 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498992083 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498992163 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498992423 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1498992770 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1498993641 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a43b:deea:44b2:c73e JOIN :#esoteric < 1498993843 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a43b:deea:44b2:c73e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498993856 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498995082 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498995116 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1498995204 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498995232 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498995377 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1498995389 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1498996922 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1498997626 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1498997811 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498998041 0 :__kerbal___!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498998159 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1498999009 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1498999366 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1498999390 0 :__kerbal___!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1498999418 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1498999784 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1498999799 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1498999800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. < 1499000209 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499000413 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499000841 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1499000866 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have a good canadia day < 1499000877 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1499000948 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live the Queen, our PM (Photogenic Minister), mapoles, and plein d'affaires de même! < 1499001051 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that idiom seems hard to translate < 1499001089 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“and lots of things like that”. < 1499001134 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. Canada! < 1499001141 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like "lots of the affairs of memes." I didn't know that memes had things to do < 1499001184 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translated it as "same business" < 1499001203 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbello__. < 1499001221 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bo-hi-ly < 1499001252 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did u have fireworks? < 1499001273 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite rainy. there may have been fireworks somewhere? < 1499001280 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, actually < 1499001281 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sesquicentennially? < 1499001290 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had fireworks yesterday < 1499001300 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for our independence day < 1499001312 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good for you < 1499001321 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also apparently for canada day < 1499001369 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the fireworks planners were evil Canadians trying to take over the municipal government < 1499001380 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we ain't evil, eh. < 1499001388 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499001411 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poutine seems like a diabolical attempt to make people obese, from what I hear < 1499001441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the very model of a photogenic minister, / I've information ominous, mysterious, and sinister, < 1499001494 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: it's tasty, makes you happy, and best enjoyed at 3am! < 1499001497 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf ♪ < 1499001530 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually never tried it. < 1499001566 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about Canadian politics to make a good Trudeau song. < 1499001599 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? limerick < 1499001600 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limerick? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499001632 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can make a rhyme with "administer", and maybe also use "sinister" to refer to his political leanings. < 1499001796 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499001803 0 :Trpger!~PalPV4@113.68.38.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499002024 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fenester to describe one possible method of assassination < 1499002091 0 :Trpger!~PalPV4@113.68.38.253 QUIT :Quit: Pal Bot,¶ÀÓеÄƵµÀ±£ïÚ¹¦ÄÜÈÃÄã¹ý×ãÀÏ´óñ« < 1499002723 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As part of the upcoming Integ 1.3 release, Integ now features a standard library! < 1499002844 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a poetry form, you must know it; / You're nearly a limerick poet. / But if you are a cheater, / and don't fit the meter, / You're gonna blow it. < 1499003049 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess s/you are/you're/ < 1499003062 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: y/n < 1499003915 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could use some touch ups. < 1499003919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm going to sleep. < 1499004034 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499004707 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499004820 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499006139 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499007262 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499008342 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499009007 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PICK CHICKEN < 1499009268 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499009429 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Kerbal 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Integ-Logo1.jpeg10]]" < 1499009485 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499009492 0 :Remavas-3!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499009568 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499009865 0 :Remavas-3!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499010378 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52385&oldid=52380 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+27) 10 < 1499013942 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499015017 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499015299 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499016626 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499016721 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499017456 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499017691 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499019984 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :< oerjan> [02:12:29] . o O ( is shikhin that employee ) <- /me blinks. < 1499020318 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499020779 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499020860 0 :* Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d: PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in Cambridge < 1499020916 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in London < 1499020987 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's closer to me than has previously been the case! < 1499021029 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1499021063 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :only briefly though < 1499022157 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FFM/FFB14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52386&oldid=52215 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+2285) 10Added FFB examples < 1499022510 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my design of Unusenet? < 1499022671 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of NNTP server softwares can you suggest using? < 1499022735 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is possible for a NNTP server to implement both Usenet and Unusenet, because there are no namespace collisions.) < 1499023141 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499023344 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499023669 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Integbot is on. If you want, I can should you op definitions and the new package system < 1499023675 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :show < 1499024566 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499024686 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) - < 1499025365 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499025948 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499026687 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-059-129.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1499026852 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499026987 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Kerbal 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Integ-Logo1.jpeg10]]": Smaller < 1499027104 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: hey, I thought I was the one creating the fancy better-than-SQL query language. :D < 1499027113 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care who creates it; I just care that it be created. < 1499027146 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499027154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52388&oldid=52385 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+11) 10 < 1499027205 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think about the logo? < 1499027250 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, the week of July 3 is an odd week. < 1499027497 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499028049 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499028107 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52389&oldid=52388 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+1869) 10Added info for 1.3 < 1499028757 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Germany scorexd < 1499028838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499028848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499029939 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499030195 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1499030431 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499030993 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499031245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499031825 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: I'm not actually working on it actively, but it is something on my mind < 1499031940 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: One of the main things I want is that it should be able to handle sum types nicely (especially sums of other tables in the DB). < 1499031994 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: i.e. I want to be able to have a column which refers to a record of table A, B, or C, and we know which, and the query language should let me pattern match / case on that. < 1499032032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Or do you want arbitrary ADTs in your database? < 1499032078 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitrary algebraic data types would be nice, but I can live without recursion if it's too hard to do efficiently. < 1499032134 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you can do sum types like that, then doing the non-recursive part of ADTs is doable < 1499032179 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you just want least fixed points or also greatest fixed points? < 1499032197 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :least < 1499032237 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, if you want to go crazy, a really nice idea I had was a database whose rows were dependent telescopes < 1499032255 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the type of each subsequent column can depend on the values of the preceding columns < 1499032263 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's probably not easy < 1499032276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an arbitrary function of the preceding columns? < 1499032295 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's to be determined < 1499032528 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: The other thing I really want is for applications to register a collection of queries with the DB, and whenever a transaction commits which would affect the result of a registered query, the application will receive an update with the changes. < 1499032579 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499032582 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, the DB would do a bunch of stuff as the queries were registered to optimise the task of figuring out which registered queries are affected by a given commit. < 1499032693 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the reason I want that is that then we could use an FRP system to deal with querying the database and propagating the changes that come back to everything they influence. It would clean up our application backends a lot. < 1499032726 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your application again? < 1499032737 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several different web and mobile applications < 1499032739 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Software solutions custom-built to suit your needs." < 1499032763 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is a sort of competitor to slack with a bunch of additional features < 1499032764 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: You should tell whoever is in charge of https://obsidian.systems/ that autoplaying a sound when I go on your web page is really annoying. < 1499032901 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll tell them myself. < 1499032938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: I want to make a web application. < 1499032942 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I do it in Haskell? < 1499033030 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought a web application should be done in HTML? < 1499033082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the server side of it. < 1499033094 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might also involve JavaScript, or a language that compiles to JavaScript. < 1499033167 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sure. < 1499033181 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also highly recommend checking out reflex-dom :) < 1499033266 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, well, there is many possibilities, including C, PHP, JavaScript, SQL, Perl, Haskell, etc. For client-side should need HTML, possibly with CSS and/or JavaScript also used if needed for this application. However, I think many thing should not need web application at all, in my opinion < 1499033276 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With reflex-dom, you don't actually need HTML :) < 1499033312 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least, not more than a stub which loads the JS code < 1499033328 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your application (which is written in Haskell and compiled to Javascript) controls the contents of the DOM < 1499033368 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still use HTML tags and such, but you don't necessarily render any HTML to be parsed by the browser. < 1499033415 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a mode of operation for that though -- so that you can render static stuff on the backend (in native code) and deliver it to the frontend to be used before the JS gets loaded. < 1499033434 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't do that; the server should generate all of the HTML content and sent directly to the client. This is only for content that is static to the client though; for some cases you will need dynamic content, in which case you should use a script to generate it instead. For most things though you should provide static content if possible (for some applications this won't work though). < 1499033438 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, you don't actually have to write HTML yourself then :) < 1499033455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Well, I want the content to be indexed by search engines, of course. < 1499033457 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you may wish to provide not only HTML interface but also perhaps JSON interface, in order if you want to write your own front-end. < 1499033468 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most of our applications are single page applications which mostly communicate with a backend via websockets. < 1499033470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite that much of an application that it doesn't have text to be searched. < 1499033482 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1499033522 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So reflex-dom uses ghcjs? < 1499033525 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1499033535 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the current state of ghcjs introduces unacceptable overhead. < 1499033547 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/reflex-frp/reflex-platform is a good way to try it < 1499033548 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe it's gotten better since I last used it. < 1499033564 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends on what you consider to be unacceptable of course < 1499033584 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining a protocol with JSON or whatever (even raw TCP connections if applicable) can be better that you can also to use other custom front end programs, even if there is also a HTML-based front-end built-in too. < 1499033617 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or just use the URL for that purpose, so that you can easily access with curl) < 1499033617 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499033643 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: We mostly let template Haskell generate the JSON protocol to be used from our types -- we haven't yet really had to deal with the problem of versioning our protocols though. < 1499033689 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* really nice to not have to worry about the JSON encoding and decoding being correct though. < 1499033724 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the most part, as far as I have to care about, there are just Haskell datastructures on either side of the wire. < 1499033790 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could just as well be using a binary format for communication, but sometimes it's nice to be able to see what was sent in Chrome's inspector -- and it hides binary websocket frames from you. < 1499033857 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it makes it difficult to document the JSON being used < 1499033976 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose we could write another tool which took the types in question and generated documentation for the JSON rather than an encoder and decoder. < 1499034025 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly this communication is internal, and while we assume people could interfere with it, we don't really care about making that easy for stuff that's not using the generated JSON encoder. < 1499034650 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw, I... don't hear anything when I go to obsidian.systems. < 1499034673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it in an incognito window? < 1499034677 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, maybe it's when intercom sends that initial message < 1499034677 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's only the first time. < 1499034680 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1499034681 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1499034747 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a plan to replace this site soon enough anyway, but -- that'll probably involve some intercom integration too, so I'll be sure to mention your concern :) < 1499034899 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499035102 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-059-129.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499035633 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499036638 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499036738 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw man. I just thought of a sweet mathematical property that isn't actually true. < 1499036820 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each positive integer n, the sets A = {1..n} and B = {n+1..2n} can be put in a one-to-one correspondence such that each element of B is divisible by its corresponding element of A. < 1499036913 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it might be true. After all, the product of B is always divisible by the product of A. < 1499036923 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in any case, the smallest counterexample is n = 4. < 1499036952 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499036971 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, maybe there are only finitely many n for which it *is* true. < 1499037019 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = 1: (1,2). n = 2: (1,3), (2,4). n = 3: (1,5), (2,4), (3,6). n = 5: (1,7), (2,6), (3,9), (4,8), (5,10). < 1499037044 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think from n = 6 on, B always contains more than one prime number. < 1499037292 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it is correct for anything big < 1499037302 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :between n and 2n, there is always a prime number < 1499037312 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which you HAVE to pick 1 < 1499037323 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moment you get a second prime, you are screwed < 1499037342 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you went there, too < 1499037348 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've read first < 1499037371 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499037789 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499037978 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499038176 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499038266 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, something that was a little funny -- in Edinburgh there was a man camped in front of a fancy Apple store, on a folding chair, with a sign advertising "Cheaper Apple Repairs". < 1499038274 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/tmp/apple-repairs.jpg < 1499038737 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499038827 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah that's a great move < 1499039195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499039496 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499039971 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499040179 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f107:71ca:2421:391a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499042069 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499043240 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499044360 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f107:71ca:2421:391a QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1499044673 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499045921 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499046052 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499046210 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499046477 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1499046479 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy//monqy is no longer extant. He lives in concept, hidden, unfindable. You could ask itidus21 for details, if you find him. < 1499046502 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499046868 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499047540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhellongtimenoseely < 1499047565 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499047736 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've been wondering something. Who hosts the wiki now? < 1499047817 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsoœçafaitunboutterjan! < 1499047903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Gregor hosts it and fizzie maintains it < 1499047938 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the same server as HackEgo (which is why we get the wiki announcements) < 1499047942 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok. I knew who hosted it a few years ago but never found who hosted it now < 1499047949 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1499047977 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What became of Graue and ehird? < 1499048024 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stopped coming here. < 1499048073 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499048156 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dark basement likely ate them. < 1499048162 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that "why" is technically true in that being on the same server was the motivation for the announcements, but they would work across hosts with just a configuration change. < 1499048234 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of suspected that < 1499048309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Making them work in a way that wouldn't permit anyone from spamming the channel by spoofing the source address would be slightly more involved.) < 1499048329 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot find out what "boutt*" means < 1499048422 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«ça fait un boutte», with the infamous «-tte» québécois spelling. «ça fait un bout» → ”it's been a while”. < 1499048452 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while fr:bout can mean en:end, en:extremity, it can also mean en:“a length”. < 1499048467 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also heard that there was a forum at one point... I guess that, from what I've read of esolang wiki history, that (A) The forum was redundant and (B) it was clunky to use? < 1499048471 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's some evidence they're still alive. < 1499048484 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were recently, anyway. < 1499048497 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: It was also spammy. < 1499048503 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I see < 1499048526 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know who Graue is. < 1499048540 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still a read-only copy around, isn't there? < 1499048544 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: person who originally founded the wiki < 1499048545 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Graue < 1499048554 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forum wasn't terrible to use, just nobody did, so nobody had an incentive to < 1499048580 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it used the same software 4chan did (or at least, something in the same style), which was an interesting choice < 1499048586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal has a link to the archive. < 1499048637 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got a LOT of DVD spam < 1499048734 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The history of the esolang community is really neat. I find category:shameful really amusing < 1499048760 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1499048769 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mailing list(s) got real use, and were the direct predecessor of this channel. < 1499048849 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499048949 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avast is flagging some kind of threat in one of the mailing list archives < 1499048955 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the most recent one) < 1499049026 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be some spam in there as well, especially for the last years. < 1499049055 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a LOT in the most recent one < 1499049080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001/2002 are better. < 1499049123 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should have a 15-year celebration of some sort for #esoteric this coming December. < 1499049184 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read about various abortive esolang design contests... I would participate in one, personally < 1499049193 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe oerjan could meet Taneb? < 1499049196 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea < 1499049237 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what < 1499049341 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe oerjan could meet Taneb in Greenland. < 1499049345 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote greenland < 1499049346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :932) The other day (well, the other week) my wife was annoyed with me because she had a dream where I had gotten us plane tickets into a #esoteric meet somewhere in the middle of Greenland in the winter, without asking her first. Plus she wasn't really interested in a #esoteric meet at all, let alone one in Greenland, let alone one in Gree < 1499049373 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 quote greenland < 1499049375 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:Greenland in wintertime. (I think it's kind of cold there?) < 1499049573 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm in MTV again in August, though just for a week. < 1499049613 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tg < 1499049691 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar BGSF < 1499049692 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :BGSF 030050Z AUTO 31014KT 9999NDV SCT060/// 04/M04 Q1010 < 1499049697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds cold. < 1499049699 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1499049700 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 030053Z 29012KT 10SM FEW008 FEW012 19/13 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP143 T01940128 < 1499049701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC < 1499049702 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 030053Z 30010KT 10SM FEW024 23/14 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP133 T02330144 < 1499049773 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1499049773 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 030100Z 25003KT 220V290 15SM FEW040TCU FEW080 20/18 A2983 RMK TCU1AC1 SLP104 DENSITY ALT 800FT < 1499050229 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "TCU" in "FEW040TCU FEW080”? (Total Cost of... U-something?) < 1499050269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulus_congestus_cloud apparently? < 1499050307 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the kind of cloud. < 1499050351 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Towering Cumulus. < 1499050356 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEW040FLUFFY < 1499050398 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very humid summer so far. my plants are happy. < 1499050433 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plantdroid dried out while I was in Scotland. :/ < 1499050445 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep pens in it now. < 1499050675 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for me to slumber post-modernly in an hyper-slow-motion interpretative deconstructivist expression of the inanimate self, transcending linen boundaries and reappropriation of unsuspecting pillows. < 1499050688 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: AIRPORT CHICKEN < 1499050952 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499050969 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499051714 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:909b:b74e:4f73:4a31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499051886 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what's a plantdroid ) < 1499052712 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1499054438 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499054719 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:909b:b74e:4f73:4a31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499055305 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1499056885 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:c144:6f29:fa6f:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1499057276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.akalin.com/bfpp < 1499058112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499058530 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:c144:6f29:fa6f:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499058600 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499059841 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.58.91.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499061509 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499061844 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1499061844 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 030450Z 06004KT 9999 -RA FEW005 SCT015 BKN025 14/13 Q1024 NOSIG < 1499063366 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make up the new kind of forum with Unusenet perhaps. I wrote the document for it, so in order to do so, is only necessary to do what is written on there; it does not require notifying anyone at all about it. < 1499063418 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499063441 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499063454 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499063551 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read this document? Then you can tell me in case of anything wrong with it please. < 1499063854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Triple Threat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52390&oldid=52347 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (-34) 10 < 1499063868 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.58.91.169 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499063884 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499064616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499064792 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:c144:6f29:fa6f:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1499064813 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Triple Threat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52391&oldid=52390 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+72) 10 < 1499064972 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Triple Threat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52392&oldid=52391 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (-4) 10 < 1499065005 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Triple Threat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52393&oldid=52392 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+0) 10 < 1499065321 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499065537 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499065936 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499066309 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for this? a tree where each node can be either white, black or grey < 1499066311 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where a white node only has white children, and a black node only has black children < 1499066336 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apartheid hth < 1499066403 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1499066416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, y'all are too young for this...) < 1499066588 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked it < 1499066617 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke, that is < 1499066635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that sort of tree interesting? < 1499066643 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1499066689 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( oerjan's feeling his age! ) < 1499066737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think apartheid known even to youngsters. < 1499066744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1499066760 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i use a bitmap to keep track of allocated areas, and this is faster than a linear scan < 1499066780 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that kind of tree < 1499066781 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if free == white, you don't have to descend into black nodes to find a free block < 1499066812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "free == white" thing is not helping your case hth < 1499066819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :word. < 1499066821 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1499066827 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1499066843 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's s/white/blue/g, s/black/yellow/g, s/grey/green/g < 1499066856 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quad_tree_bitmap.svg ... I think they have no particular name and are described by their branching factor instead. (You could to the binary space partitioning as well) < 1499066880 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the same thing but in 1d instead of 2d < 1499066920 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^k trees are tg < 1499066927 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tg? < 1499066929 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too good < 1499066942 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, generically, it's a kind of sparse array < 1499066954 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1499066981 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like hashlife? < 1499066999 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make these sorts of diagrams? http://slbkbs.org/h/1.svg < 1499067008 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: anyway if you find an established name please let us know < 1499067017 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah hashlife is great, especially its practical applications < 1499067030 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are its practical applications? < 1499067045 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatsthejoke.gif < 1499067073 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the joke that it has no practical applications? < 1499067080 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with those imaginary gif images < 1499067127 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imaginary gif is better than actual gif < 1499067137 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larger color palette. < 1499067171 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what does "thatsthejoke.gif" convey that isn't conveyed by "that's the joke"? < 1499067184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a picture from the Simpsons that it's supposed to conjure, I think. < 1499067203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched the video that the picture comes from. It uses "that's the joke" in a completely different sense. It's not very funny. < 1499067207 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's the joke? < 1499067263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so what you're actually saying about this tree is that you only store the internal node rather than the entire subtree. < 1499067273 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1499067294 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just call it a tree where the leaves are black or white? < 1499067313 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1499067332 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call them black white tree. < 1499067332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused. < 1499067440 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's confusing? < 1499067898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t confusiing < 1499067900 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: < 1499067900 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: confusiing < 1499067900 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Perhaps you meant ‘confusing’ (imported from Control.Lens) < 1499067903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1499067904 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t confusing < 1499067906 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => LensLike (Data.Functor.Day.Curried.Curried (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f) (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f)) s t a b -> LensLike f s t a b < 1499069091 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499070156 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499070330 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499070410 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played GURPS game four times already, and not once has my character ever been damaged. My character's shield got hit a few times but also has never gotten damaged. < 1499071968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about your character's shield's shield? < 1499072136 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499073024 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, zzo38 goes through four of them a minute < 1499073172 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499073275 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499073354 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499073971 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499074172 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote stab < 1499074172 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :byorgey says: @type (^.) s -> Getting a s t a b -> a I would not like to be getting a stab, thank you < 1499074191 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1499074195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emoticon//emoticon: ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499074618 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:c144:6f29:fa6f:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499075980 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499076407 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:a5f3:15bb:1239:c789 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499076426 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:8457:bd9d:246c:4d3b JOIN :#esoteric < 1499077012 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:8457:bd9d:246c:4d3b QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499077728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he's been backscrolled fo 3 hours without noticing < 1499077910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : :t confusing <-- now i'm wondering what the infamous ... i m a s t a b u function was. < 1499078022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote i.m.a.s < 1499078022 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius says: Someone made a completely non-idiomatic library/redefinings to make the code look more like ruby because, I'm assuming, they suffer from brain damage. < 1499078030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote i.m.a.s.t < 1499078030 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Sorry. < 1499078034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1499078051 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote stab < 1499078052 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pjdelport says: [on qwe1234:] It must be a drag, being the sole beacon of sanity in a field where all the established researchers are unanimously insane. < 1499078067 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote \ enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1499112998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://u.solidity.cc/ < 1499113030 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidity ? < 1499113042 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please to see it gopher://zzo38computer.org/0textfile/miscellaneous/unusenet tell me any comment you have of it. < 1499113051 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :treederwright was a true prophet < 1499113795 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499113806 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1499113824 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Mew_ < 1499113825 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mew_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1499114307 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'evening < 1499114602 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read this document? < 1499114952 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499115013 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499115401 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499116931 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499117134 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499117420 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499118456 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499118788 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499118988 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499119307 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long have you guys been programming? < 1499119334 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did you get into it? < 1499119349 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 7 or 8 years, from David Morgan Mar's esolangs < 1499119354 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially Piet) < 1499119419 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to program in dos when I was 9, though didn't learn c++ until just this year. C# has served me well < 1499119487 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :batch, that is < 1499119489 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learnt Haskell shortly after finding this channel circa 2011 and I've just got a job using it \o/ < 1499119517 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope to be able to find a developer job after I finish UNI < 1499119544 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499119553 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rdococ < 1499119554 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :My advice is have a niche skill and lots of public examples of your programming < 1499119554 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words. < 1499119608 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn rdococ was thought to be from Budapest, then Mars, but he is actually in Airstrip One. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words. < 1499119611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ was thought to be from Budapest, then Mars, but he is actually in Airstrip One. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words. < 1499119697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits rdococ < 1499119704 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, anywhere near the bit of airstrip one I've just moved to? < 1499119705 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdocöc rdocöc rdocöc oerjän oerjän oerjän rdocöc rdocöc rdocöc oerjän rdocöc rdocöc oerjän < 1499119717 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a surprise imo < 1499119728 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, idk for sure. < 1499119860 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1499119861 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. He sometimes invents without noticing it (see: tanebventions). < 1499119877 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, may I ask you why you moved to Airstrip One? you must be nuts. < 1499120380 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, some of us have the ill fortune to be born here < 1499120486 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just moved to Cambridge, however < 1499120540 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah. I misread what you said. < 1499120551 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born here too. miracle we can still use the internet. < 1499120586 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite, indeed < 1499120587 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499120600 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is airstrip one? < 1499120604 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in pirateland #1 < 1499120619 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mew_, Penzance?? < 1499120628 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's located above the left-most regions of Eurasia. < 1499120633 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that I mean digital pirateland #1 < 1499120634 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Britain a la 1984 < 1499120642 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mew_, ...Penzance??? < 1499120650 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden boi < 1499120659 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499120675 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not Penzance < 1499120676 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have trouble finding someone here who hasnt pirated a movie or game < 1499120688 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not Penzance < 1499120692 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a nice place < 1499120699 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying not to pirate things :P < 1499120720 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same, I actually only pirate to check if its worth buying xd < 1499120762 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499120954 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499120974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499121089 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499121225 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brain-Flak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52395&oldid=52100 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (-2) 10Even shorter sum of inputs < 1499121314 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall talking about Befunge a significant fraction of one interview, and think I got an offer. < 1499121323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure which company this was though. < 1499121364 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure it isn't in airstrip one < 1499121426 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs of this channel suggest it was Nokia, where I think I mostly got the (summer) job for knowing Perl. < 1499121452 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPji43Hqyrg < 1499121454 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ when u aren't allowed to play anymore minecraft today < 1499121881 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a fun UK fact: living here for two and a half years isn't long enough to turn a pay-as-you-go SIM into a monthly (£15/mo) plan SIM, at least with Three. They need three years of UK residential addresses before they can even think about considering such a risk. < 1499121988 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1499122060 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one is answering my question about "Rice's theorem for computable reals": https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/77487/decidable-properties-of-computable-reals < 1499122065 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499122088 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499122198 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is there a web viewer for gopher? < 1499122213 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to download something to read pages in that protocol? < 1499122230 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher predates the web and has a similar format < 1499122237 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a similar purpose < 1499122252 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox used to have a gopher viewer as well as an http viewer, I'm not sure if it still does < 1499122281 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Yes, although an alternative, if you do not wish to do that, is to just change "gopher://" to "http://" and remove the 0, and then the same file is accessible over HTTP < 1499122281 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an online viewer? < 1499122287 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1499122296 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1499122398 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh, that's a good one. < 1499122521 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why would an airport need newsgroups? < 1499122530 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or private telephone numbers? < 1499122539 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it was dropped already before they embarked on the big version numbers. < 1499122543 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a fascinatingly esoteric idea, by the way) < 1499122585 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can easily imagine an airport benefitting from private telephone numbers, most big organizations do < 1499122604 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes... THAT's true < 1499122617 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would a private telephone number need a newgroup? < 1499122632 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsgroup < 1499122723 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499122725 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499122732 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The telephone numbers are not necessarily going to be private; they could have public access, and that is the point of the un0.tel.* hierarchy, in case it is necessary that that newsgroup has a central server which is accessible by telephone instead of internet. Note that Unusenet does not actually require internet, although internet will probably be the most common case anyways. < 1499122736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, clearly I took the less insane reading of the ambiguous sentence by default, and given that this is #esoteric I shouldn't have done < 1499122758 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is anything unclear, notify me so that I may correct it. < 1499122798 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so the clients would connect by telephone? < 1499122806 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a neat idea < 1499122884 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Potentially, although they do not have to. There could be an echo on a server accessible over the internet too, although such a name is specifying that that newsgroup has a central server and that the specified way of accessing it is by telephone. < 1499122926 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, would un0.icao.* connect by airplane mail, and un0.icbm.* connect by intercontinental ballistic missile? < 1499122944 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to host a server using the latter protocol if so < 1499122945 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. In those cases, no central server is specified. < 1499122949 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1499122980 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, though, is icbm intended to be the location of the server? < 1499122988 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically? < 1499123075 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a location for the point of it? < 1499123086 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: the missiles wouldn't need a warhead < 1499123091 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just put USB sticks on them or something < 1499123099 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38, his523, __kerbello__. < 1499123110 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1499123138 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gyazo.com/4433433d420bd66d5014589959bf81f9 < 1499123140 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just a location for the point of it when it is defined, although the server may be physically located there, and you may use disks to transfer messages to/from that server if necessary, although none of these things are required; the location when defined is mainly for uniqueness. < 1499123144 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Still, you're LAUNCHING ICBM'S AT SOMEONE! < 1499123164 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope there are parachutes involved < 1499123166 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually strikes me as a fairly secure method of communication < 1499123178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's going to try to recover those things intact if they don't already know they're for sending data < 1499123184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an interception of the message is pretty obvious < 1499123187 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they actually tried something similar < 1499123202 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_mail < 1499123218 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, need to figure out how to loop through a, well loop and get the value at the end of the loop and stick it into a variable < 1499123247 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be really cool, just slightly dangerous < 1499123257 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, yes you can do that; it is not prohibited by the specification of Unusenet (even though that isn't the intention of the un0.icbm.* hierarchy, the protocol won't stop you from doing this anyways). < 1499123259 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the parachute failed < 1499123292 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually imagining aiming at a lake or the like < 1499123299 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just scoop the missile out of the lake after it lands < 1499123303 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practicalities, dangerous like that, cost, etc, may stop you, but the protocol of Unusenet does not stop you. < 1499123318 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That might be safer < 1499123322 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or send it under the radar, and noone will know < 1499123327 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need no security then < 1499123331 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mew_: That works < 1499123375 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you cannot send a missile to that address anyways, because the address points to the past, not the future. < 1499123464 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Can't you just omit the time part in programming your missile? < 1499123483 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just change it relative to earth rotation and shit < 1499123532 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: I suppose so. < 1499123557 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really like this idea. I'm heading to NORAD and seeing if they can loan me a test ICBM) < 1499123578 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I come with you? but you have to ring the doorbell. < 1499123583 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am to scared < 1499123656 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can organize a delegation to head over to NORAD and ask for missiles in the name of the esolang community < 1499123669 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the good of all of us except the ones who are dead < 1499123702 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name "un0.icbm.*" only indicates that it is the "missile address" hierarchy though, not necessarily that you are using actual missiles. < 1499123713 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: killjoy < 1499123742 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like I said, the Unusenet protocol does not prohibit you from using actual missiles, either. < 1499123750 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1499123794 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mew_: So what's your esolang? < 1499123872 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its brainfuck, but instead of the pointer position being saved between writes, it resets. and then you move pointer through a 80 character alphabet with + and -, it also includes a kind of ACC function that exists in asm < 1499123879 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not really working properly < 1499123886 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the basic stuff < 1499123892 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to figure the looping out < 1499123915 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the pointer commands? < 1499123931 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+, - and . < 1499123959 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ adds to the position of the pointer and - subtracts, then . writes the current character to a stream < 1499123966 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ; creates a new line < 1499123970 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you move the data pointer if it resets itself? < 1499124005 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lets say you want to write "ABC" then you would have this "+.++.+++." < 1499124027 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499124043 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of what brainfuck would have < 1499124046 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so + and - are increment and decrement commands < 1499124050 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1499124056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this actually have a tape? or are you just incrementing a single value? < 1499124066 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's exactly what I'm wondering < 1499124077 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does < 1499124085 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adding or subtracting scrolls the tape < 1499124105 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what would the tape look like after the ABC code? < 1499124132 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499124162 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499124217 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ok so it doesnt really have a tape, but for that specific character it does. so after you have written (lets say e) which is "+++++." then it would reset, so if you want an F now you would have to do "++++++." < 1499124248 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not really sure what you mean by tape, new here. But I read the esolang article < 1499124260 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you familiar with the C array? < 1499124279 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very new to C/C++ < 1499124285 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, vaguele < 1499124288 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, vaguely* < 1499124302 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C# array is very similar < 1499124309 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you use C#? < 1499124311 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye < 1499124313 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1499124331 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so basically a tape is like an array that stores integers. < 1499124359 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tapes can be arbitrary length in some langs, though\ < 1499124362 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1499124418 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't store the last character that you wrote if that is what you mean. I want to implement that by the loop, so if you want something that you previously wrote, you need to access the saved variable in acc. < 1499124454 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to add store a value in acc I want to add the loop [ code ] so that the value at ] would be stored < 1499124460 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the acc you are talking about may be a stack or a queue (maybe even a deque) < 1499124472 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1499124532 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacks and queues are like tapes, but you access them from the ends instead of from within < 1499124592 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499124602 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1499124695 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to use c# arrays to simulate a tape < 1499124711 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or stack < 1499124719 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a stack, a list would be better < 1499124719 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is interesting, because I didnt think of that when I started this evening < 1499124732 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I think that is the way I should take < 1499124825 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, if you are having trouble with the C# implementation, Python might be easier < 1499124843 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACC is a registry that stores a value in op codes, and so when you call SUB or ADD it will subtract or add to the ACC registry, that was the way I was planning to go < 1499124880 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, see now. I learned Python after I had just learned batch as a kid, but C# kind of took over and suppressed it < 1499124897 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember batch clear as day < 1499124985 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, without a tape, would your language have an ACC and another accumulator that you have been using already? < 1499125141 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one that +, -, and . have been operating on) < 1499125143 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, so it could do subtraction, addition, multiplication and division < 1499125189 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting; see the bottom of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Stack < 1499125203 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, never mind < 1499125206 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about stacks < 1499125212 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need accumulators < 1499125239 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need a tape or a stack or something like that for a TC language < 1499125243 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbounded memory < 1499125259 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only 2 accumulators, you'd only have two variables < 1499125267 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crudely speaking < 1499125267 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, thats the plan < 1499125275 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely hard to write code for < 1499125280 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like brainfuck < 1499125284 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more brainfucky < 1499125355 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF has unbounded memory, and is TC. That means that it can execute almost any algorithm you throw at it, even if it is hard < 1499125377 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly recommend that you implement a tape to take advantage of Turing-Completeness < 1499125391 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how BF is turing complete but C isnt < 1499125430 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill see what I can do. It'd be pretty cool to be able to say that I have made a turing complete language < 1499125475 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About C: Some people say that it isn't TC, but in practice it is basically as TC as any other language < 1499125485 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a real-world sense < 1499125489 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1499125515 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, my explanation was nearly flawless. What'd I get wrong? < 1499125521 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a critical distinction, in that a standards-compliant C implementation must have finite memory < 1499125527 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you have infinite physical memory available < 1499125540 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas BF has a theoretically infinite tape < 1499125588 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A programming language that is Turing complete is theoretically capable of expressing all tasks accomplishable by computers; nearly all programming languages are Turing complete if the limitations of finite memory are ignored." According to wikipedia < 1499125592 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because of the size_t thing? < 1499125613 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mew_: No, what he's saying is that the language itself puts a limit on memory < 1499125617 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: and finite pointer size < 1499125620 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :*she < 1499125639 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm a he < 1499125647 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not and you were talking about me < 1499125654 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, very sorry < 1499125666 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1499125684 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard requires there to be finitely many pointer values, and every object needs a distinct address < 1499125733 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert the standard #esoteric discussion about how an implementation may allow infinite files to get around that problem. < 1499125760 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you do that? < 1499125783 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will we be inserting the discussion by asking that question? < 1499125783 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hotly contested subject < 1499125787 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1499125790 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499125861 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does require files where you can seek around with a relative offset, but not (necessarily) get/set an absolute one. < 1499125881 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fseek() has to return the current offset < 1499125924 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, ftell() < 1499125971 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably it doesn't need to work for all files. < 1499125984 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, good night. I have to magically fall asleep and wake up in the next 5 hours. Work < 1499125986 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctya < 1499125989 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cya < 1499126001 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1499126020 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also thanks __kerbal__ :) < 1499126030 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :de nada < 1499126036 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499126056 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope he finishes his language. < 1499126060 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or she < 1499126077 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep doing that :( < 1499126105 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499126121 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what singular they is for < 1499126130 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate singular they, personally < 1499126133 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499126144 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from now on, I should just use the nicks, I guess < 1499126144 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair, to each their own < 1499126147 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well err) < 1499126155 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just realised the irony of using singular they in that line) < 1499126160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499126190 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499126203 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's safe to assume people are themselves, up to isomorphism. < 1499126214 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked like Mew_ created a new character set < 1499126231 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever that language was named < 1499126242 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TREFOIL CHICKEN < 1499126254 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rerail, it was called < 1499126296 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space was right before A < 1499126633 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1499126696 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I want to make a language where the only available integer constants are weird < 1499126705 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to not be able to know they are coprime or it's easy < 1499126791 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case someone else had missed it too (and there's precedent discussing it on-channel), SGDQ 2017 is happening. < 1499126883 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499126958 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: by weird do you mean non-coprime? < 1499126965 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: no like < 1499126987 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :available constants include: the number of bytes in the source file, the current day of the month, numberwang < 1499127000 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1499127013 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1499127032 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could have interesting ramifications for quines < 1499127049 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :numberwang is a constant for any run of the program but changes each run < 1499127076 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you need to restrict what can be done with those constants, otherwise (X/X)+(X/X)+(X/X)+... is an unary way to represent any number, for a constant X. < 1499127092 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1499127110 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for truly portable code you'd have to work around integer constants entirely or exploit a loophole < 1499127133 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use something like the number of bytes in the source < 1499127168 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499127168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499127169 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, how do you prevent someone from rebuilding the set of integer numbers from a single number and arithmetic? < 1499127185 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make it hard to find 1 < 1499127240 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so arithmetic will be restricted if it generates 1? < 1499127314 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is neat territory < 1499127320 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, if you get 1, you win < 1499127335 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might be helpful to include intercal-style arithmetic < 1499127341 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you don't get your usual operations < 1499127351 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent fizzie's scenario? < 1499127362 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that and just to make it more entertaining < 1499127368 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :) < 1499127457 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a rotation operator? It would rotate the line to the complex number x y degrees < 1499127465 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you want complex numbers) < 1499127568 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499127598 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499127689 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's an option < 1499127707 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting max or min in (but not both, that's too easy) would be good < 1499127712 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe round to nearest multiple of 7 < 1499127713 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, what about an operator a such that, for 2 integer numbers x and y, as y or x approaches infinity or negative infinity, x a y is 2 or negative 2 or something like that? Something that evokes the 1/x curve < 1499127719 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to install a package that uses a dependency which is not available on the distribution I am using; it is libstdc++6 (>= 4.8) which I do not have. How to fix it? < 1499127734 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :max and min would be helpful < 1499127768 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by negative 2, I mean 0: Some integer thing that approaches 1 for infinite operands < 1499127800 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asymptotically approaches 1, I guess I am trying to say < 1499127803 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really requires floating poing to be productive < 1499127812 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, should maybe use a non-IEEE floating point for all numbers too < 1499127816 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could round, I guess, but that would make little sense < 1499127820 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with integers < 1499127839 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's best with floats < 1499127923 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the exponent be powers of 3 < 1499127935 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't bother normalizing the mantissa < 1499127965 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even do base 3 arithmetic < 1499127980 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really meaningful < 1499127985 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1499128024 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think the floating point math would get weirder with bigger exponent base? < 1499128027 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if I did base 101 < 1499128035 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool < 1499128066 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and confusing, but that's the idea < 1499128069 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Important: libstdc++6 is an important system library that many different packages depend on. Upgrading this package to a newer release might be dangerous and might lead to system stability issues." Is it possible to tell only one program to use the new version? < 1499128099 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1499128109 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only have one library with a given SONAME < 1499128121 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1499128125 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :within your package manager you can't < 1499128145 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could if you downloaded the program separately and wrapped it with a script to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH < 1499128172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: imo statically link everything hth < 1499128309 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, how to do that? < 1499128356 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's not easy to statically link libstdc++ < 1499128604 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol nope < 1499128637 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are scow < 1499128681 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make an esolang where the only storage is really a tape but is interfaced as and called an accumulator vector, just to make people think < 1499128720 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple accumulator vectors in a language would have some neat mathematical properties < 1499128732 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they'd basically be tapes that'd interact < 1499128761 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :through arithmetic operations and the like < 1499128770 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that simply be a language called R? < 1499128871 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a language where you would treat stacks and tapes and everything else as single, interactable structures with arithmetic capabilities would be really cool. < 1499128901 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm ranting < 1499129073 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible for a ELF program to specify a different filename or different directory or whatever and to modify the ELF program to do that without causing a problem? I can add a wrapper script if necessary but I don't even know how would be adding the separate library and how to program to make it to do that? < 1499129402 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I download version 4.8 of libstdc++6 anyways? < 1499129520 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what do I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to? What is the man page for LD_LIBRARY_PATH? < 1499129602 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499129709 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind I found the information about LD_LIBRARY_PATH. < 1499129732 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that does not tell me how to download libstdc++6 < 1499130368 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on linux? if so, wouldn't apt-get install work? < 1499130444 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that version of that package is not available. < 1499130505 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to use "dpkg --dry-run" with the .deb for Node.js version 8, but it says error it needs the action option. < 1499130613 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the package is a newer release? < 1499130626 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1499130672 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to download the file for libstdc++6 version 4.8 and then tell this program to use the newer one even though the other program does not. < 1499130701 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write a shell script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH but first the file need to installed. < 1499130741 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would this help at all? I bet you've already tried this https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libstdc++6 < 1499130862 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it might conflict with other programs that use the existing libstdc++6, such as Ubuntu system files < 1499131365 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499131430 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your name? < 1499131430 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: they say that real hackers always are controlled. there, among other things, the stone struck the spider lay dead beside him, and even birds, got out, long snout upraised like a blank scroll is the ultimate shape changer. < 1499131462 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, I suspect that fungot was never trained on the word fungot, so he can't say it < 1499131462 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: they say that most monsters prefer minced meat. that's why they are capable of attacking twice with weapons and with a +5 shovel. < 1499131533 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicitly avoiding bot loops < 1499131544 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1 bot, himself < 1499131558 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot IS a he, right? < 1499131558 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: they say that venus sprang from the oligocene of asia, which fought on its lowest level. < 1499131850 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: appropriate < 1499131850 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: blind io had got his name because, where his eye. but the sword. ( the light but warm silken stuff that the priesthood are specially favored by the puritans and in the sky who plagued the allied pilots in their white faces burned keen and merciless eyes; under their mantles were long grey robes; upon their grey hairs were helms of silver; in their fate, full share had the dead. < 1499131857 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: appropriate < 1499131857 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: they say that some eggs could hatch in your .newsrc!" < 1499131870 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: around < 1499131870 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: sake: japanese rice wine. human(oid) of the english language) < 1499131874 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: around < 1499131874 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: the wizard of yendor and stay away from onslaught. he is believed to have assumed mortal form and inhabited the dungeon residents who, naturally, often carrying diseases. " after dinner, you see invisible things. < 1499131889 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to figure out if fungot tries to use a word that's in the prompt message. < 1499131942 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a < 1499131942 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: disenchanter: ask not, as shown by all accounts.' ( the tough guide to the lion kills and eats, and he looked at rikki-tikki with the atlatl, which means old god, goddess: goddesses and gods, godlets rather, in the following year condemned to be leading the souls who pass to afterlife, but never to touch naked persons: they don't harm them. < 1499131953 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the < 1499131953 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: old hackers never sleep near invisible ring wraiths. yeats). they were not trolls but giant orcs; but the goblins called it simply biter. they called them gremlins, he enjoys visiting the earth elemental, the shokaku bo were small plates, sometimes triangular but more commonly rectangular in shape. because the front projected so far as the ears, and can spread a quickly fatal illness to his feet. < 1499131964 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is yes, technically < 1499131970 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for at least some words < 1499131980 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I feel an esolang coming on. < 1499133297 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499133924 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499133987 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499134458 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499134533 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499134980 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499135381 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499136698 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:518b:9c01:61c5:bd8d JOIN :#esoteric < 1499137111 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499137343 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499137345 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499137528 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499137648 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499137695 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499138067 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499138905 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is much better than Wayland I think. However, a lot of stupid junk has been added into X, too. < 1499139443 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499139544 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:518b:9c01:61c5:bd8d QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499140245 0 :johndoe021!~johndoe02@180.191.153.50 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499140880 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe linkin park is just music for people who are failures at life < 1499140964 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:d8ac:8335:f2b:b9d9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499141196 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499143101 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1499144170 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499144507 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:d8ac:8335:f2b:b9d9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499144822 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499147237 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499147569 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499148049 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499148635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like NeWS? < 1499149971 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499150429 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499150645 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499152056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499152160 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499152423 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499152460 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6c98:50de:b1ab:6b83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499152507 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499153588 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: There was no such function. <-- well it was not _implemented_... or are you saying edwardk is a _liar_? < 1499153743 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even worse, people are faking edwardk quotes < 1499153822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk is sometimes an exaggarator < 1499153834 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1499153977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499153982 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:misle//misle v. tr. "I was misled about morphology." \ ursala//~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-, \ tachyon//The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its spee < 1499153987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499153988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:d. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up. \ frozen water//Frozen water is just ice. \ man//Man is destined for Greatness, despite being a minor island. < 1499154764 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499155648 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499155666 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6c98:50de:b1ab:6b83 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499157320 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499158317 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499159770 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:e530:7672:d70f:99c5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499159868 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499160594 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499160663 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499161726 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499162753 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499162824 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499164398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1499164510 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499164703 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499164744 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Aw man. I just thought of a sweet mathematical property that isn't actually true." => wait, I'll tell another one that would be nice if it were true < 1499164830 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let F and G be integers, a_0=0, a_1=1, and for every natural number k, a_{k+1}=Fa_{k-1}+Ga_k. It would be nice if for every natural numbers k and l, gcd(a_k,a_l)=a_{gcd(k,l)} < 1499164849 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This actually works for F=G=1 and many other choices, but it fails for some others. < 1499164857 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you put magnitude bars in. < 1499164961 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Maybe we should have a 15-year celebration of some sort for #esoteric this coming December." => wow, now I feel like a newbie here < 1499165078 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oerjan: I think apartheid known even to youngsters." => this, yes. you can't avoid shameful 20th century history if you live in present day Europe, with all the memorials around < 1499165274 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, when you fry then cook beef slices, how do you prepare the meat? < 1499165275 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ashikaga takauji was a pretty fair shot with a bag.... but none have found him and his sword-blade was stained black. somehow the killing of the moon and wisdom, thoth is the same colour as the originator and guardian deity of horse races. his most distinctive features are the devil's work. < 1499165366 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6c98:50de:b1ab:6b83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499165716 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<__kerbal__> oh, so the clients would connect by telephone? <__kerbal__> that's a neat idea" => ok, great, now I no longer feel like a newbie < 1499165772 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:347b:7aa:4ab2:1774 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499165860 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure the intercontinental rockets for secure comms are a good idea. countries sometimes get very annoyed when unidentified rockets are shot through their airspace. if you communicate a lot that way, you might accidentally start a war. < 1499166153 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" available constants include: the number of bytes in the source file" => there's something like that used in that dc signature program that breaks if you try to debug it by adding printfs, because it takes the length of certain macros and accesses them as integer constants < 1499166269 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" How do I download version 4.8 of libstdc++6 anyways?" => install a new enough gcc from source < 1499166281 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Also, what do I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to? What is the man page for LD_LIBRARY_PATH?" => the manpage is ld.so < 1499166298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last question I did figure out myself already at least < 1499166302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about LD_LIBRARY_PATH) < 1499166336 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Warrigal_: blind io had got his name because, where his eye. but the sword. ( the light but warm silken stuff that the priesthood are specially favored by the puritans and in the sky who plagued the allied pilots in their white faces burned keen and merciless eyes; under their mantles were long grey robes; upon their grey hairs were helms < 1499166336 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: multi-player nethack is your turn", as near as might be a doppelganger sent to inflict pain or cause injury. suddenly, a realist in action and a wonderfully beautiful bull.... but all the gods to listen easily. < 1499166336 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of silver; in their fate, full share had the dead." < 1499166339 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1499166458 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:347b:7aa:4ab2:1774 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499166484 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6c98:50de:b1ab:6b83 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499167516 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499168084 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499168775 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"his most distinctive features are the devil's work." < 1499168779 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Never stop being you. < 1499168779 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dingo: a rock mole is a device that can reach the nether world, so what use is engraving in a long, jointed tail tapering to a shoe; a few things to say why. his expression quickly changed, and also a device used to describe the occasional village through which they passed, meant fever- ridden and tumbledown. twoflower was a flutter of wings at the price tags before buying anything. < 1499168813 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: a rock mole is a device that can reach the nether world. < 1499169213 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: feeling abyssal? < 1499169213 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: money to invest? take it to imitate at this catastrophe, or consecration. thor used it to hatch. when carried, it was a time when rincewind had quite liked the iconoscope. he does not have heard of on the widdershin side of the slain, the goddess deprived her of her charms and changed to a very light snack. < 1499169591 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499169598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :linkin park make nice music but I can't relate to their lyrics at all < 1499169811 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how do you treat insect bites? < 1499169811 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: does your boss know what you're doing right now. while he was the world he shall surely be put to death by some quantum event. if you can't bribe soldier ants. < 1499169834 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1499169909 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use calamine since I wouldn't know what to bribe the ants with < 1499169988 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bribe them with gold pieces. gold is universally respected as a currency, see http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1028.html < 1499170357 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1499170357 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :926) Áis523ÎkËÇÏ52Í¿ÉnÐffjliated/ais523: ever tried reading while confused? < 1499170357 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: one has to leave shops before closing time. < 1499170358 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1499170360 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for further details for futher details.//See `? for further details for futher details. < 1499170389 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? further details < 1499170390 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :further details? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499170391 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? for further details < 1499170392 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1499170392 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in NetHack, bribing people with gold only works on a subset of humans < 1499170436 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus a subset of demons, but only for people who don't play in easy mode) < 1499170447 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCiFO7qV54E < 1499170449 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once bribed one of the Castle soldiers to block a corridor for me to stop the rest interfering with me while I looted it < 1499170453 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh right < 1499170463 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about those as it's a completely different mechanic internally < 1499170620 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and leprechauns, sort of, but they return later) < 1499170647 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499171029 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ALWAYS CHICKEN < 1499171363 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1499171364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fate of the Flammable < 1499171364 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`star-wars < 1499171365 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: star-wars: not found < 1499171366 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1499171367 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pan, combine the milk, tomato, cinnamon, and eggs; mix well, and sides of \ fork and process until mixture is smooth. Top with a pasta, \ and roll up. (The seed sandwich in an individual long and cut \ in time of the tips.) In a bowl, mix the lemon juice, and \ onion, and cook. Stir in the cream and salt; pour into soup \ and flour mixture int < 1499171373 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`starwars < 1499171375 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obi-Wan Kenobi < 1499171396 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 starwars < 1499171398 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:Supreme Leader Snoke \ Finn \ Gial Ackbar \ Supreme Leader Snoke \ Sio Bibble < 1499171411 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 scheme < 1499171414 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:Your Puny Minds Cannot Fathom \ The Pieces Are Coming Together \ Realms Befitting My Majesty \ Every Hope Shall Vanish \ May Civilization Collapse < 1499171492 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499171654 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499174876 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499174888 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499175562 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1499175666 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1499175681 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499176831 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499177958 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499177962 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION narrows his eyes < 1499177985 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... connecting to a server via telephone is basically just dialup, isn't it < 1499177986 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1499178038 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499178055 0 :nullcone!nullconema@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nsdtxdvbjkqufyxj QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499178507 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1499178561 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You learn (or remember, or whatever), something new every day! < 1499178913 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499179066 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499179836 0 :nullcone!nullconema@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qtbvsxgatltfbbwv JOIN :#esoteric < 1499180247 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499180437 0 :nullcone!nullconema@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qtbvsxgatltfbbwv QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499180503 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499180675 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499180733 0 :nullcone!nullconema@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fmzsaqnnihoxvzkf JOIN :#esoteric < 1499181342 0 :Fungusot!~Fungusot@104-50-57-160.lightspeed.gnbonc.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499181345 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;botsnack oreo < 1499181350 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;botsnack cookie < 1499181353 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;botsnack mint < 1499181359 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;botsnack waffle < 1499181363 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;botsnack other food < 1499181363 0 :Fungusot!~Fungusot@104-50-57-160.lightspeed.gnbonc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: STOP SPAMMING ME! I'LL EXECUTE YOUR REQUEST IN A SECOND! FOR NOW, I JUST WANT PEACE! < 1499181386 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;hi < 1499181387 0 :Fungusot!~Fungusot@104-50-57-160.lightspeed.gnbonc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: STOP SPAMMING ME! I'LL EXECUTE YOUR REQUEST IN A SECOND! FOR NOW, I JUST WANT PEACE! < 1499181475 0 :Fungusot!~Fungusot@104-50-57-160.lightspeed.gnbonc.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499181504 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what do you think? < 1499181534 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fungot's short-tempered cousin < 1499181534 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: ishtar: ishtar ( the prisoner, by j.r.r. tolkien) of scaly lizards, especially the _chameleo vulgaris_ species, with broad girdles that held it glowed with a +5 shovel. ( after the blade itself gleamed like a lizard corpse is guaranteed to be clean enough. ( the lands beyond the world with human beings who not unnaturally showed intense gratitude for the feast of st. brigit. there is a translation of the twilight th < 1499181902 0 :Fungusot!~Fungusot@104-50-57-160.lightspeed.gnbonc.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499183067 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499183141 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1499184348 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499184753 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1499185809 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499187554 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499187567 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'day < 1499188303 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1499188339 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'evening < 1499189649 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499189715 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day < 1499190528 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499190862 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499191223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499191283 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499191919 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499192073 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499192133 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1499192701 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499193135 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499193626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499193858 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my many ideas: You know how many esolangs (the esolangs wiki counts 237 languages that use a tape in some way. although probably not all of them exclusively use one tape for memory), no matter their syntatical differences, use a tape as their memory? < 1499193904 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a framework where you could code in multiple tape-based esolangs within the same document, switching at will? You could start in BF and switch to Integ partway through < 1499193919 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be confusing but really cool < 1499194436 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool idea < 1499194868 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499196671 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499196789 0 :nullcone!nullconema@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fmzsaqnnihoxvzkf PART #esoteric :"User left" < 1499197340 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-94-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1499197799 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499199177 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd basically have a large program in, say, Tapelang, that executes commands by running subprograms in other languages. These subprograms might return a value to TapeLang, allowing TapeLang to have its own logical structures; ideally, however, the programs would interact with one another by modifying the shared tape. A Tellurium program might read a string to the tape, say, and then an Integ program would import a chatbot modu < 1499199225 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgb values of the geometric figure that it represents (like a square) and then a Graphical BF program would write the program to the screen. < 1499199303 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TapeLang would be the glue that allows these languages to coexist in one program < 1499199353 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, Integ's not a great language for working with strings, but you get my point) < 1499199407 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the example I gave, you'd input the name of a shape (like "square") and the program would draw a square, using the combined capabilities of the languages used < 1499199531 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd sort of resemble the .NET framework < 1499199545 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the programs are all interpreted < 1499199756 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499200342 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499200367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1499200689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499201864 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499204121 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499205297 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499206534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499207928 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499207984 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499208093 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499209280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499210252 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499210811 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499210861 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499210893 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1499210903 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have come to sgdq < 1499210949 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: are you there? do you run? < 1499210955 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least four people shuffling tiles at any time for at least 8 hours every day < 1499210970 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah im here no i dont run < 1499210972 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the guy responsible for that < 1499210975 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's in the US < 1499210995 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is respons8ble < 1499211024 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :George Lu iirc < 1499211030 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1499211032 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liu-Krason < 1499211052 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! hellorcah! < 1499211169 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you doing this weekend boily? < 1499211194 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not playing mahjong in london with me < 1499211240 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. hes always busy < 1499211496 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Québec City this weekend, for my dad's birthday ^^ < 1499211532 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shuffled last Sunday. nothing like the good old haneman. 6100 each. mwah ah ah. < 1499211651 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1499211682 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499212094 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nice < 1499212099 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: came close to a couple baimen < 1499212172 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet! < 1499212188 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uhm... I doubt baimen is the correct plural, but it's cromulent...) < 1499212473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it I guess I'm gonna bingewatch spongebob now < 1499212479 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ready I'm ready I'm ready I'm ready < 1499213208 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone recommend a good linux curses hex editor < 1499213212 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one I tried can't delete bytes < 1499213245 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499213261 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use vim and xxd like usual because my problem is specifically that vim is being dumb with line endings < 1499213345 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499213411 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! < 1499213424 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: have you tried :set backspace=2 ? < 1499213473 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexcurse? < 1499213521 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499213525 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexcurse seems good, ty < 1499213531 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499213621 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurgh. can't delete :( < 1499214445 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas-ZzZzZzZz < 1499214875 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uevwszwgoufkldiu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499214992 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1499215248 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:e530:7672:d70f:99c5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499215542 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499215711 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499215755 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Amazon said they'd be dispatching this order on July 4rd... and true enough, at 23:47 local time they did. < 1499215765 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4rd". < 1499216559 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Quit: . < 1499216668 0 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1499216780 0 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host < 1499216780 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1499216939 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499217208 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499217507 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499217875 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499218891 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1499219146 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499219301 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still thinking about building TapeLang... what languages should I include? < 1499219366 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapeworms < 1499219473 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the language with the INFECT command? < 1499220131 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: NEGOTIATION CHICKEN < 1499220154 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499220204 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1499220799 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499220853 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499220940 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499221073 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499224365 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499224451 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499224664 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499224711 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499224944 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499225110 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499225141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: grooks are tg < 1499225297 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499225639 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uevwszwgoufkldiu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1499226599 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499229297 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499231401 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499233734 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499234769 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499235159 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499235381 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:4c99:529:e8e6:84ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1499236149 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499236613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom by?one < 1499236627 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise. < 1499236639 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom ? < 1499236641 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of//Of this incident we shall never speak again. < 1499236723 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that grook < 1499237014 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae JOIN :#esoteric < 1499237027 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been woken up from my not-being-here < 1499237038 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae PRIVMSG #esoteric :just briefly, though < 1499237072 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome asie < 1499237072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prepares the zombie spray < 1499237074 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1499237086 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea oerjan < 1499237102 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly because someone contacted me about DOBELA, and I'm said as I was 12 at the time and so remember nothing about my original intentions < 1499237108 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sad* < 1499237140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1499238198 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1499238788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499240550 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:31db:3ec6:71aa:a068 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499241594 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499241995 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499242738 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:31db:3ec6:71aa:a068 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499243445 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499243744 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499244728 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499247686 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499247964 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499249269 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1499250157 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499250179 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was asking about sorting algorithms that can use three-valued comparison efficiently, or something like that, right? < 1499250186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is quicksort a good example? < 1499250801 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499251050 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499251735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yep, there's a lot of people talking about how quicksort can be much better with three-way comparison. < 1499252310 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_national_flag_problem < 1499254525 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499254877 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499255402 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499255421 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:spämmer//Spämmers are advertisers of Spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product. \ resume//A resume is something that you use in order to end a pause in employment. \ epimorphism//An epimorphism is just a monomorphism in the opposite category. \ finland//Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of the < 1499255422 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499255423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:m are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. \ rdocscovery//Rdocscoveries include footballs, how bored one person can get, and Budapest. < 1499255492 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499257509 0 :Remavas-ZzZzZzZz!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499257682 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HUGE CHICKEN < 1499258417 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499258879 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499259246 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499260707 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499263188 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499263232 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499263513 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:9d0c:a035:8502:2613 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499264503 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499265329 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499265395 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'evening < 1499265850 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499267518 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gyazo.com/e4dc2193464b8cab5aecd2e3b0d4c4db < 1499267521 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gyazo.com/8db3dad7aee86673922baa992acf9dc1 < 1499267525 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got variables working < 1499267540 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499267605 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499268335 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499268870 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499269103 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499269687 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499269875 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499270523 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( please use a pastebin ) < 1499271167 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ZeroClipboard library provides an easy way to copy text to the clipboard using an invisible Adobe Flash movie and a JavaScript interface." - I was happier not knowing this. < 1499271290 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1499271496 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about this description. "A modern JavaScript utility library delivering modularity, performance & extras." < 1499271567 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499271796 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://xkcd.com/763/ < 1499271848 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, I really shouldn't be looking at the gyazo source code. < 1499272059 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499272365 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Promisification on steroids" http://bluebirdjs.com/docs/features.html < 1499272373 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a whole new world of awfulness! < 1499272425 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bluebird may actually be a lesser of the evils... though I'm afraid to look under the hood0 < 1499272428 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1499272629 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499272647 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1079 < 1499272663 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1079: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1499272721 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499273804 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499273933 0 :wob_jonas!53fdf1ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.253.241.234 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499274093 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :github gists are a good pastebin if you plan on editing them < 1499274147 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😎 < 1499274321 0 :Fungusot!~Fungusot@104-50-57-160.lightspeed.gnbonc.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499274648 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499275860 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this fake news or did I just accidentally planeshift again < 1499275873 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft founder Bill Gates has called on Europe to stop demonstrating generosity towards asylum seekers to avoid an overwhelming migrant influx. He also advises European states to make Africans’ way to the continent much more difficult < 1499276294 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "fake news" is the name for real news, so that's probably not fake news but news that is fake < 1499277020 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499277030 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1499277040 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Changing host < 1499277040 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1499277040 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499277062 0 :z0d!~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: doesn't sound like Bill Gates < 1499277122 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499278331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499278490 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1499279109 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499279460 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499279628 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499279998 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499280289 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499280474 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499280490 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499280758 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499280767 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499280772 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499280846 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499280868 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-059-129.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499280958 0 :Melvar!~melvar@88.64.59.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499280977 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499282533 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499282604 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499282654 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499282714 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1499283448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499283454 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:kmc//kmc did not run the International Devious Code Contest of 2013. \ reversal//lasrever \ rain//Rain is a natural bird repellent. Also chickens. \ blsq//See: Burlesque \ myname//myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? He is Perl's evil twin brother. < 1499284321 0 :SOLEIL!~SOLEIL@31.129.194.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499284326 0 :SOLEIL!~SOLEIL@31.129.194.104 QUIT :Client Quit < 1499284883 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb installing CNN app so I can rate it 0 stars < 1499285655 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499285832 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1499285875 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499285895 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499285994 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499286193 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499286241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499288878 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499289182 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499289535 0 :Mew_!~Mew_@213-66-83-220-no187.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499289881 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@cpe-98-14-70-190.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499290704 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499290998 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499292840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: in dystopian 2017, all math homework is multiple-choice < 1499292898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hebrew, multiple choice questions are colloquially called "American questions". < 1499293036 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahhaa < 1499294083 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499294221 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499294283 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499294365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499294787 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499295174 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499295215 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499295232 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499295444 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1499295455 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1499295475 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good algorithm to filter signal from repetitious noise < 1499295623 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had one a while ago, but after I actually implemented it it turned out not to work < 1499295629 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or I screwed something up < 1499295701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess at a simple algorithm for doing that, though, would be to start off with a fourier transform of the whole thing, largest component is probably the frequency of the noise < 1499295701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then separate the input into sections equal to the period of the noise, take the average of each of those sections, that's going to be pretty close to the noise itself < 1499295701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then subtract < 1499295703 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499295722 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499295731 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499295744 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the last you saw? my internet keeps getting disconnected < 1499295759 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already typed "spectral mean subtraction is a classic simple thing for stationary noise" and now you've pretty much obsoleted it. < 1499295790 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so " and then subtract" got through? < 1499295796 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was the last bit. < 1499295799 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a suspicion that when the "disconnection" happens I can send but not receive < 1499295800 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1499295810 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a proper quit from you. < 1499295813 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, the easiest way to tell is the nick I reconnect under < 1499295820 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I reconnect under my own nick, the quit must have got through < 1499295826 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499295858 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what if the stream is lines of english text, and each line is either signal or noise entirely < 1499295917 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally line noise is fairly easy to determine from English < 1499295923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a frequency analysis would be the most obvious way to tell < 1499295967 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, whether the character distribution is similar to average englush text? < 1499295981 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1499295986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The character distribution, or possibly the digram or trigram one if you want fancier. < 1499295992 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, I do say things like ~h=∋ᵐ\cᵐ= in conversation occasionally < 1499295997 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen at least one paper on language detection that was just character trigrams. < 1499295997 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems doable < 1499296007 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 20 < 1499296009 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :käsi kyynistäisemmall kuoranasi artiseltä heittavakauempine rostava kassasi laudelmiksi keleväliseksee taus-konstrukti tapautomautteen rakeammetristun kelemmissa nahkiytyimmissa nessäätymiin vällääni ahaavallissani otelevistuvalle rasi kasaiseviltänne < 1499296015 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, the frequency distribution obviously violates a null hypothesis that all characters are equally probable < 1499296032 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously `words sort of "noise" would defeat that. < 1499296043 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think higher character variation could be a good sign of signal in this case < 1499296085 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:447a:3aa7:6e4b:1502 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499296091 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the compressibility hack, though that might not be appropriate for something as short as a "line". < 1499296168 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499296317 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in things are noise if they compress too well or not at all? < 1499296509 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending really on what sort of noise you're expecting. Not at all for something like uniform random characters. Admittedly that's pretty easy to detect otherwise too. < 1499297018 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random text doesn't compress at all, typically < 1499297030 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, due to the nature of randomness, it does sometimes, but that's very rare < 1499297347 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's sampled from a non-uniform distribution, you can have a better encoding for it than a uniform length one. < 1499297362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499297466 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I might've had something to say to you about Birmingham, but now I've completely forgotten what it was. < 1499297487 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh well, it's unlikely I'll be able to produce a useful answer unless you remember the question and let me know what it is < 1499297515 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, upon reflection it was probably York and Taneb instead. < 1499297531 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's no longer in York either. < 1499297543 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's the impression I got anyway. < 1499297570 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still in Birmingham < 1499297945 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( and despite all this moving around, no uk #esolangers have met yet that i recall ) < 1499297978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um * #esotericers < 1499297999 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a theory that the Hexhamers met by accident but didn't recognise each other? < 1499298010 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAUSIBLE < 1499298011 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's small enough that there's a decent possibility < 1499298325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been to Hexham? < 1499298332 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1499298350 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been significantly north of the Manchester/Sheffield line, unless you count being in a plane flying to/from Canada < 1499298373 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you still in Birmingham? < 1499298378 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1499298384 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? birmingham < 1499298386 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham is a city in England. We're planning to turn it into a floating island so ais523 can get around a bit more. < 1499298404 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't ais523 want to leave Birmingham? < 1499298406 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and birmingham is still where it used to be. for now. < 1499298426 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I leave it temporarily every now and then < 1499298441 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so far haven't had a good enough reason to move out permanently, and it's unlikely one will happen < 1499298450 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at living away from home (even if it's just a holiday in a hotel) < 1499298462 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home is where your cat is. < 1499298497 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Birmingham home? < 1499298504 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was born here < 1499298510 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 has a cat? < 1499298513 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have lived in the same house almost all my life < 1499298515 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1499298543 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it my home pretty much by default < 1499298550 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is `w equivalent to `? < 1499298556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first few weeks of my life were spent in a hospital) < 1499298616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: no. `? looks up a particular wisdom, `w a random one. < 1499298631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w ngevd < 1499298632 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd//ngevd is a fake wisdom entry because having an actual infinite file in wisdom/ makes all manner of stuff bloody awkward. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ also t​swett‼ < 1499298648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1499298649 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499298655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you cannot demonstrate that without ruining your terminal QED < 1499298656 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's the difference < 1499298669 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one of the differences. < 1499298674 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w oo < 1499298676 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`whoops//`whoops is a repluralizer. < 1499298679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w oo < 1499298680 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoon//Cocoon was built by the fal'Cie, and floats above Gran Pulse. < 1499298699 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to continue living in the same house? < 1499298711 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1499298715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a case of ? shachaf < 1499298729 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: moving is very difficult, especially when you have decade's worth of accumulated things < 1499298747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've been tempted to `? shachaf for several minutes. < 1499298753 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I figured. < 1499298754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort-of like a hash table, if I need something I'll know where it'll likely be, but accumulating eveyrthing I own would be much harder < 1499298763 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp oo < 1499298768 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☾_:☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers. \ `3:`3 is the obvious generalization of `2 or `4, trying too hard to confuse everyone. \ _46bit:_46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. \ abnf:Augmented Backus-Naur Form, an update on the popular < 1499298790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never lived in the same house or flat for a decade. < 1499298823 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499298898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We should fix `5 so that `1 is the obvious generalization of `4. < 1499298928 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499298934 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1499298940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `1 < 1499298942 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`1 is equivalent to `` , except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly almost the obvious generalization of `4. < 1499298954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. not make it default to `5 q < 1499298975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How much is a decadesworth of accumulated things? < 1499298988 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how much time would it take to rehash? < 1499299008 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the reason I still don't have some furniture here. It seems like it would be difficult to move. < 1499299031 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have still not rehashed after i moved 4 years ago. no idea which bag most of my things are in. < 1499299067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you move from Trondheim to Trondheim? < 1499299071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1499299078 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I leave the San Francisco Bay area? < 1499299082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty expensive. < 1499299173 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/1 < 1499299174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\` "$@" |& sport < 1499299179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2 < 1499299180 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\` "$@" |& sport 2 < 1499299185 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/3 < 1499299186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval "$(shuf -n 1 <<'END' \ \` "$@" |& sport 3 \ cmd="${1-quote}"; \`^ 3 "$cmd" \ END \ )" < 1499299192 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/4 < 1499299192 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd="${1-quote}"; \`^ 4 "$cmd" < 1499299199 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/5 < 1499299200 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd="${1-quote}"; \`^ 5 "$cmd" < 1499299211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`^ < 1499299211 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ $# == 2 ]] || { echo "Usage: $0 n cmd" >&2; exit 2; }; for ((i=0; i < $1; i++)); do \` "$2"; done | sport < 1499299251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should exploit the proletariat to become rich? < 1499299258 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I already doing that? < 1499299259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1499299259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl < 1499299326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, but probably far too long < 1499299337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd bin/`//s,[$]1,$cmd,;1acmd="${1-quote}" < 1499299337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roswbud! < 1499299342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/`//s,[$]1,$cmd,;1acmd="${1-quote}" < 1499299344 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/`//#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${1-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl < 1499299354 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi < 1499299355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1499299356 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < 1499299357 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :522) what is nice about a pebble is that you can process it with your brain as a number by simply looking at it < 1499299368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 < 1499299369 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:1087) im not a doctor when it comes to muscles < 1499299393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WRONG WAY tdnh < 1499299416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd `1//s,almost ,, < 1499299418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`1//`1 is equivalent to `` , except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly the obvious generalization of `4. < 1499299436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISAGREEMENT < 1499299528 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 < 1499299529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1: < 1499299540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499299540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :``^ 2 < 1499299541 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:909) Bike: the best acid? where is it? < 1499299541 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: they say that you can't break an amulet of yendor is a smart move. < 1499299541 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /hackenv/bin/`^ n cmd < 1499299693 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1499299703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`^ < 1499299703 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ $# == 2 ]] || { echo "Usage: $0 n cmd" >&2; exit 2; }; for ((i=0; i < $1; i++)); do \` "$2"; done | sport < 1499299726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1499299762 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1499299784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo fungot < 1499299784 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they say that a gold doubloon is extremely vain. < 1499299785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1499299785 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: they say that it's not what you eat. being required to do it, but, trusting his own authority. those children, because i knew this time i meant to scare, but of adjudicating in the _atiku_ festival in babylon, uruk and other quiet games of the fairies rather nasty people to make sense. < 1499299794 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot seems to no longer be ignoring HackEgo < 1499299794 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you really can't. < 1499299840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499299840 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests < 1499299847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "functor" < 1499299848 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1499299849 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : functor < 1499299851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "fungot" < 1499299851 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: playing billiards pays when you cross it. < 1499299853 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot < 1499299853 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: booksellers never read scrolls; they might not have fiery breath or deadly stings, but none looked aside from the fact that all his soldiers gnashed their teeth, creating a tremendous vice-like bite... piranhas are attracted to any other of the damned to hell. < 1499299870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test ^style irc < 1499299870 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored. < 1499299871 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANARCHY < 1499299873 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499299873 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1499299873 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1499299982 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1499299982 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf < 1499300005 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just testing if any other data was wiped out) < 1499300026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack < 1499300026 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nom nom nom! < 1499300083 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Test)S < 1499300083 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1499300089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300089 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300089 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1499300090 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1499300118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test ^ul (?where test)S < 1499300118 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! < 1499300120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1499300170 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (`1)S < 1499300170 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 < 1499300171 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:629) myndzi\: ok so one of the nastiest puzzles i suppose is... you're on death row.. you don't want to die. < 1499300175 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1499300185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is a shambles < 1499300338 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300338 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300338 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300338 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300338 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300338 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300339 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300339 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300339 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300339 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300339 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300340 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300340 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300342 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300342 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300344 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PART #esoteric : < 1499300349 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1499300441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test /me tests < 1499300441 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1499300524 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499300774 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good point. < 1499300815 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or lambdabot < 1499300817 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it should. < 1499300838 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "fungot" < 1499300838 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( ( lambda ( ignored) fnord) < 1499300840 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot < 1499300853 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had completely forgotten the ignore list isn't persisted automatically. < 1499300876 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1499300877 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally I reset it when I tell it to join the channel, but after switching to the bouncer thing I don't need to do that after restarting it. < 1499300891 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably just save it in the state file too. < 1499301171 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499302221 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499303007 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499305135 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499305229 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499305236 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused (as I often am) < 1499305248 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot lambdabot now? < 1499305248 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: where are you arcfide? < 1499305289 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something bot loopy happened? < 1499305316 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something loopy. < 1499305347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: fungot's bot ignore list had accidentally got cleared. < 1499305347 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thx for link to fnord?" < 1499305354 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1499305387 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1499305393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see explanation in logs. < 1499305398 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how easy is it to make updates to fungot? < 1499305399 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: godspeed you black emperor! the dead flag blues? trying to find out < 1499305416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, can you remember what all the code does and where you'd need to change to change something < 1499305467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1499305467 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1499305491 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc_: fungot shares your taste in music hth < 1499305491 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by the way? < 1499305496 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1499305496 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1499305522 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, who is Macron? < 1499305523 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i should like to congratulate mr telkämper. on development issues he is one of the priorities of health, security and defence policy, which is that when the coal and steel treaty for instance that by the end of the colonial and post-colonial period, has become the basis for our sovereignty. common fisheries policy. < 1499305549 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow utf8 fail < 1499305552 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mr telkämper is his secretary < 1499305555 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :é < 1499305557 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even on my end < 1499305580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: you don't have fallback charset? < 1499305607 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: guess not? < 1499305679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: i have recode_fallback = cp1252 as someone suggested on channel < 1499305727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what proportion of non-UTF-8 text that contains non-ASCII characters happens to be valid UTF-8? < 1499305785 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean that contains bytes > 127? < 1499305856 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's your sampling methodology? < 1499305870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mojibake < 1499305872 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ÌÌÌ°_ÌÌ̦̻ͭͭͬÌÍÌÌÍ¡_ͧÍÌÍÌ­_ÍÍÍͧÍÌÌ̯Í̬̬̦̯_ÌÌÌͨÌÌ´Í < 1499305874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: I'm not sure < 1499305921 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one is answering my question about computable reals tdnh < 1499305927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure the answer is yes < 1499305932 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've given up on Stack Exchange < 1499305945 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incentives are all in favour of giving fast, incomplete answers to easy questions < 1499305964 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which incentives? < 1499305969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet points? < 1499305990 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although stack exchange places huge emphasis on them < 1499306005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not just Internet points but also votes and green checkmarks and things. < 1499306017 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, they give you visibility too < 1499306024 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The respect and adoration of friends, colleagues, and strangers. < 1499306034 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta keep churning out those answers. < 1499306037 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just pay 50 reputation to put a question onto a separate list to increase the chance that people see it, so you can convert internet points /into/ visibility < 1499306054 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you fix Stack Exchange? < 1499306087 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put a lot of thought into that but haven't come to firm conclusions < 1499306122 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some obvious bugs that should just be fixed, like the way that if you make a short post (that gets caught in the low-quality posts filter), then you or anyone else edits it to make it better, it gets an unremovable downvote < 1499306123 0 :__kerbal___!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499306131 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know someone whose strategy was to answer as quick as possible < 1499306135 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then refine with a series of edits < 1499306139 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the importance of being first < 1499306143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: you have to do that on some sites < 1499306157 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499306160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a question was new I got into the habit of posting the answer without explanation first < 1499306163 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then editing the explanation in afterwards < 1499306163 0 :__kerbal___!?@? NICK :__kerbal__ < 1499306206 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :posting early is so important that even if the answer is wrong, it's likely to get more votes than a correct answer posted later, unless the question becomes very popular < 1499306219 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception: the answer does have to at least /look/ right, even if it isn't actually < 1499306318 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one good fix would be to age upvotes, making it so that if a lot of answers get upvoted /over/ an answer (i.e. when both are posted), its score goes down < 1499306326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think another good fix would be to ban voting when posts are sorted by votes < 1499306364 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499306389 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also allow the OP of a question to downvote on it for free, regardless of their rep count, as a quick way of discouraging incorrect answers < 1499306403 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most OPs can't actually downvote on their own post due to having <125 rep) < 1499306451 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably get rid of badges altogether, as they do more harm than good IMO < 1499306559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be reasonable to get rid of the new questions queue altogether (in preference to the active questions queue), increasing the chance that late answers get seen < 1499306711 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs his fanatic badges < 1499306832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that occasionally irritates me on PPCG is that in very active periods, the active tab gets overfilled while i'm sleeping or out of the house. < 1499306858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(likelihood also depends on my current sleeping cycle) < 1499306937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's small enough that losing information about new changes _shouldn't_ be necessary. < 1499307070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't check every question, mind you.) < 1499307111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot network questions is also probably broken, although whether it's broken or not depends rather on what its intended purpose is, which is unclear < 1499307126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increasing engagement? < 1499307131 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to lower the quality of the sites it links to by rewarding trivial posts < 1499307164 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suffers badly from positive feedback (most of the possible interactions for a 101-reputation user with a post increase its HNQ score) < 1499307184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds of some subreddits that explicitly asked _not_ to be on the reddit front page. < 1499307195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for essentially the same reason. < 1499307236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+me < 1499307265 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grammar is leaving ... i can feel it ... < 1499307278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want to be on the reddit front page < 1499307282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the only interaction I can think of with a post that's possible at 101 reputation and can discourage a post from HNQ listing is flagging, and even then, only if a moderator decides to delete the post < 1499307304 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: most communities, forums, etc. benefit from having more good users, that requires the potential good users to be aware of them < 1499307353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "going" < 1499307358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/130032 < 1499307361 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this. < 1499307367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Actually use a nonstandard encoding? < 1499307393 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, most golfing languages do because few standard encodings have 256 distinct printable characters for the 256 octets < 1499307399 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. < 1499307407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses CP437. < 1499307408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1499307442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although all those characters are in the extended-CP437 variant which has a printable glyph over each control code too < 1499307532 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should make a language where ALL the assigned characters in UTF-8 do something... 2,164,864 commands, here we come! < 1499307552 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that every unicode character is assigned eventually) < 1499307559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tried that on Esolang, but they probably shouldn't have started by making blank pages for each Unicode range < 1499307570 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listing all the characters and not-yet-assigned for the resulting assignment < 1499307593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : admittedly, I do say things like ~h=∋ᵐ\cᵐ= in conversation occasionally <-- how do you pronounce it twh < 1499307595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a golfing point of view, though, you don't actually want a very large command set because more commands means more bytes to represent each command < 1499307602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, if you do, it should be Huffman coding < 1499307602 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1499307608 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: most of my conversations are done typed < 1499307611 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, they can be extremely specific < 1499307626 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so often I don't know how a specific word and/or program is pronounced < 1499307679 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd probably expand command mnemonics into a description, so "unhead equal element each transpose concat each equal" < 1499307690 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "increment a by 1, print the value at b + 4, input 5 chars" command could be ޘ < 1499307730 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a and b and b + 4 are on a stack < 1499307753 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess b + 4 would be 5 elements down from a) < 1499307778 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not *too* bad. I remember the big blocks, and there's even a few comments. It's not written in a particularly compact way, and the larger structures make functional sense. < 1499307805 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you basically have to just decode a dozen-or-so-lines subprogram in order to change things. < 1499307820 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link to the esolang? < 1499307824 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's a list at the bottom as to what things are stored where in the fungespace. < 1499307844 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though that documentation might not quite be up to date.) < 1499307869 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: https://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode is at least one of them; it's possible it's been attempted more than once though < 1499307929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's the one that annoyed ehird, anyway. < 1499307949 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did some of the commands get removed? < 1499308076 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: not sure what you mean by "assigned character in UTF-8", since the number of Unicode scalar values is only 1,112,064. < 1499308087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: i think it was mostly just the heaps of unassigned characters < 1499308152 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: I'm not very familiar with Unicode, so I just pulled that number off of Google without doing enough research, admittedly < 1499308212 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must have come from this answer... https://stackoverflow.com/a/38488358/1108505 < 1499308221 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maximum Unicode codepoint is 1114111, which is a very easy number to remember < 1499308222 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Char < 1499308224 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1114111' < 1499308238 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many numbers in the 0..1114111 range aren't assigned, and some are officially never going to be assigned < 1499308244 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of code points which UTF-8 *actually* supports is 1,112,064; they're exactly the Unicode scalar values. < 1499308247 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It diެd! < 1499308261 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "these characters will never be assigned" values are sometimes not included in the total < 1499308262 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was off < 1499308268 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a lot < 1499308296 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The total number of Unicode code points is 1,114,112, and every Unicode code point has an "obvious" UTF-8 encoding, but 2,048 of them are prohibited. < 1499308296 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strangely, IIRC 1114111 itself is one of them, not 100% sure on that though) < 1499308318 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: wait, /just/ surrogates? < 1499308322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about things like the byte-flipped BOM? < 1499308332 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is prohibited for an obvious reason :-D < 1499308335 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *pretty* sure that's legal to encode in UTF-8. < 1499308345 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a legal *character*, of course. < 1499308421 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's legal, I don't see why the surrogates wouldn't be too < 1499308439 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see if I can find the official word. < 1499308507 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mޫޫyޫ bޫaޫd < 1499308519 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining characters are fun! < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Unicode Standard supports three character encoding forms: UTF-32, UTF-16, and < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8. Each encoding form maps the < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode code points U+0000..U+D7FF and < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+E000..U+10FFFF to unique code unit sequences." < 1499308540 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, the whitespace. < 1499308574 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /is/ that whitespace made of? < 1499308592 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What whitespace? < 1499308601 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see... < 1499308611 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1499308612 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1499308614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode [ | | ] < 1499308614 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+005B LEFT SQUARE BRACKET] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+007C VERTICAL LINE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+007C VERTICAL LINE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+005D RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET] < 1499308638 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⓞⓚ < 1499308642 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it didn't really highlight like pairs of spaces, but I guess it is < 1499308684 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's the official word. All Unicode scalar values are legal for encoding, and nothing else is. < 1499308689 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499308699 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║ ║ < 1499308730 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╚════╝ < 1499308901 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499308908 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║    ║ < 1499308914 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╚════╝ < 1499308951 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I'm trying to implement mathematics in Lua. < 1499308953 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of it. < 1499308968 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm writing the definition of a category. < 1499308996 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got stuff such as: < 1499308997 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric : add_eqn('_identity_domain', domain .. identity, object.id) < 1499309068 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499309073 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔══╗ < 1499309084 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I need practice < 1499309090 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means: "The axiom '_identity_domain' asserts that taking the domain of the identity morphism of an object is the same as performing the identity operation on that object." < 1499309097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: give a shout when you get around to inter-universal teichmüller theory twh < 1499309155 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: roger. < 1499309198 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I want to be able to read and write axioms such as this one pointfully. < 1499309210 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This axiom currently pretty-prints as: < 1499309211 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :_identity_domain : domain . identity = 1_object; < 1499309220 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd rather it pretty-print as, say: < 1499309235 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :_identity_domain : forall (x : object), domain(identity(x)) = x; < 1499309246 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499309253 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║╔══╗║ < 1499309260 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║║╔╗║║ < 1499309269 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║║╚╝║║ < 1499309275 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║╚══╝║ < 1499309282 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╚════╝ < 1499309358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aims an arrow >----> < 1499309367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TWANG* < 1499309513 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoerjan. < 1499309519 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my comment about quicksort? < 1499309536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading about quicksort and as far as I can tell every single implementation of it is misguided? < 1499309655 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyow, how am I going to implement the pointfulness thing. < 1499309675 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can start by implementing... expressions. < 1499309707 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :An expression has a context and blah blah blah blah blah. < 1499309884 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i hear it's not even O(n log n) < 1499309949 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I thought of a question once. < 1499309951 0 :Warrigal_!?@? NICK :t_swett < 1499309955 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought it was an interesting question. < 1499309967 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2071246/how-many-rounds-are-required-in-a-swiss-tournament-sorting-algorithm < 1499310025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're not even O(n log n) hth < 1499310028 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're organizing a Swiss-style tournament with N players of a game. < 1499310034 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The game is a two-player game, and it results in one winner and one loser. The players are totally ordered by skill, and whenever two players play against each other, the more skilled player always wins. < 1499310039 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In each tournament round, each player can play only one game. Going into the tournament, nothing is known about the relative skill levels of the players. The pairings for each round are not decided until the previous round has finished, so you can use the results from previous rounds when you're deciding how to pair the players up. You are not required to follow any traditional pairing rules. < 1499310043 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let { h = n; t = log } in hth < 1499310045 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your goal is to completely determine the ranking of all N players. What is Swiss(N), the number of rounds required in the worst case?" < 1499310124 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answerer here stated that "asking for the number of tournaments Swiss(n) is the same as asking for the span of an optimal parallel sorting network." < 1499310161 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1499310170 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's been discussed here before. < 1499310209 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but you're saying it might be more flexible than a sorting network? < 1499310214 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1499310234 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any reason why this couldn't give, say, a 95% speed up in the limit as N goes to infinity. < 1499310239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem like you can get much out of that, but I don't know. < 1499310241 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I meant to say a 5% speed up. < 1499310250 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 95% speed up seems kind of extreme. < 1499310267 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should measure slowness, not speed. < 1499310270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a better unit. < 1499310299 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you should figure out how to write quicksort for me. < 1499310371 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is passing the wrong argument: They pass 0,n-1 instead of 0,n < 1499310665 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:3102:3a02:2f24:399d JOIN :#esoteric < 1499310677 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t_swett: you clearly need at least ceil(log_2(N)) to determine the winner, worst-case; so that gives a lower bound < 1499310688 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I don't think it's always possible to determine the places in between that quickly < 1499310797 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I calculated that at least log2(N!)/⌊N/2⌋ rounds are required. < 1499310831 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because otherwise there are fewer unique resultsets than there are orders < 1499310876 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = log (product [1..n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2) in map swisslower [2..] < 1499310878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1499310878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Ambiguous type variable ‘b0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M869356298349... < 1499310878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : prevents the constraint ‘(Show b0)’ from being solved. < 1499310887 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = log (product [1..n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2) in map swisslower [2..] :: [Double] < 1499310889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1499310889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • No instance for (Integral Double) < 1499310889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘swisslower’ < 1499310906 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t log < 1499310907 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = log (product [1..fromIntegral n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2) in map swisslower [2..] :: [Double] < 1499310908 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a < 1499310909 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.584962500721156,2.2924812503605785,3.4534452978042594,3.1639510321098... < 1499310937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ceil < 1499310938 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Variable not in scope: ceil < 1499310966 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for N = 2, 3, 4, we get lower bounds of 1, 3, 3, which I found are exact. < 1499310980 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For N = 5 and 6, we get lower bounds of 4 and 4. < 1499311020 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ceiling < 1499311021 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral b, RealFrac a) => a -> b < 1499311045 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = ceiling (log (product [1..fromIntegral n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2)) in map swisslower [2..] :: [Int] < 1499311047 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,3,4,4,5,4,5,5,6,5,6,6,6,6,7,6,7,7,7,7,7,7,7,7,8,7,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,9... < 1499311060 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the dismonotonies, but they make sense < 1499311071 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're kind of cute. < 1499311093 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is it actually possible that Swiss isn't monotonic? < 1499311094 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499311100 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the /actual/ value must be monotonic < 1499311106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine adding a dummy player who loses every game < 1499311108 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then removing them at the end < 1499311119 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. < 1499311138 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you could add a dummy player, but I wasn't immediately sure how that would actually affect stuff. < 1499311167 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that right? < 1499311173 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That any strategy that works for 6 players also works for 5 players? < 1499311178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1499311179 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah. < 1499311196 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever we're supposed to pit someone against the dummy player, we instead just give that person a bye and assume that they won. < 1499311201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This _ is very confusing. < 1499311221 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, in fact, possible to have a player who's worse than everyone else, so we're not losing anything here or whatever. < 1499311223 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes you look like another person who has _ in their nick in the same place. < 1499311249 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no such person. < 1499311259 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preusmably b_jonas is the other person < 1499311264 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose nick has a similar shape < 1499311266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, c_wraith < 1499311277 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I agree or w/e. < 1499311280 0 :t_swett!?@? NICK :tswe_tt < 1499311284 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even think of b_jonas. < 1499311286 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, much better. < 1499311502 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499312388 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1499312720 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:3102:3a02:2f24:399d QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499313090 0 :doesthiswork!?@? NICK :d_oesthiswork < 1499314211 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/6TibM < 1499314439 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499314834 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1499314866 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499315259 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:fc4a:cdec:eabd:bc38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499315412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hipumpkin < 1499315425 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: do you read irc or just twitter twh < 1499317399 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1499317800 0 :d_oesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499319037 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499319620 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499319627 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499319631 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1499319780 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1499319962 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/+DanPiponi/posts/RpwQAD4jTrb < 1499320568 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rarely IRC nowadays except for a couple of channels a bit more often (but not very often still) :) < 1499320774 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1499320905 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499320969 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:fc4a:cdec:eabd:bc38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499321424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: scow < 1499321456 0 :_keemyb_!keemyb@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-bjhhoiefbbfybcvi JOIN :#esoteric < 1499321497 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-oyoyqcrndilrgype JOIN :#esoteric < 1499321979 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499322143 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gijluisuvzwjjzwd QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499322144 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-rckspuqximxteepc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499322144 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499322144 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499322204 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499322210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499322383 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499322411 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499322483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499322580 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499323560 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499324260 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1499324350 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499324468 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499324593 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499324621 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499324787 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1499325604 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499325852 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:34a8:19a3:d7b2:6aea JOIN :#esoteric < 1499326632 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499327348 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:34a8:19a3:d7b2:6aea QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499328112 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499328852 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499328912 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:5d2c:8e9a:15ff:5050 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499329054 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499329188 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499329260 0 :Guest77422!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499329580 0 :Guest77422!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499329628 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499329813 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499329923 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499329925 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1499331091 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:5d2c:8e9a:15ff:5050 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499331140 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499331216 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499331249 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499331330 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499333038 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499333686 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499335361 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1499338383 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499339031 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499340458 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499340835 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499340848 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499341093 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499341118 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499343406 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499343846 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COMMENT CHICKEN < 1499343877 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499345033 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499345855 0 :__kerbal___!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499345859 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499345868 0 :__kerbal___!?@? NICK :__kerbal__ < 1499345955 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499346486 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ║ ║ ╔════ ╔════ ╔════╗ ═══╦═══ ╔════ ╔════╗ ═══╦═══ ╔════ < 1499346491 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :══╬══╬══ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ < 1499346497 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ║ ║ ╠════ ╚═══╗ ║ ║ ║ ╠════ ╠═╦══╝ ║ ║ < 1499346502 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :══╬══╬══ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ╚═╗ ║ ║ < 1499346507 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ║ ║ ╚════ ════╝ ╚════╝ ║ ╚════ ║ ╚═ ═══╩═══ ╚════ < 1499346702 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1499346810 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to know why int-e is disgusted < 1499347020 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 5 lines are spam, especially when they become 10: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ugh.png < 1499347201 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1499347820 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499349367 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499349627 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499350087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh, the wiki seems to be down. < 1499350105 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the positive side, at least this time I got an alert email about it. < 1499350194 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1499350197 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the negative side, it's not answering to SSH and I don't have access to the CaC control panels, so it's not like there's anything I can do, except mention Gregor by name in case he can poke at it. < 1499350231 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Do not invoke the name of Gregor in vain. ) < 1499350237 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499350280 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Okay, next time I should check whether HackEgo is present before trying `ping. ) < 1499350594 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, the 5 spam libes look horrible here < 1499351568 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499351587 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499351665 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Changing host < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 QUIT :Changing host < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499351692 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that I should use a pastebin the next time I have an overwhelming urge to create character art < 1499352207 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499353133 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499353507 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499353566 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499353578 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1499354648 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499354989 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499355984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499356891 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499357651 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunderstorm < 1499357868 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499358610 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499358874 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499359398 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359425 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359593 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359649 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359945 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499362088 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499362363 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499362481 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499362544 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499362769 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the fog rolls in from the bog, there are frogs and logs in prague < 1499362805 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the logs light enough to be carried by the fog? < 1499362813 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubious < 1499362865 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499362896 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno I was thinking there should be a children's book that teaches kids european jografy < 1499362980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apparently even most adults don't know where prague is < 1499363275 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499363608 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499363749 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499364031 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499364040 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1499364049 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Changing host < 1499364049 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1499364834 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499365053 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499365096 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make an esoteric language, it's ok if I write code that is less efficient but shows off the abstraction capabilities of the programming language better, right? < 1499365182 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I want to implement arithmetic in the core language (to show that it's possible, even though it would be better to add fast arithmetic functions in the interpreter itself). The best way would be by various unrolled fixed size loops with large repetitive tables, < 1499365201 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead I'll try to write short human-readable code that does arithmetic much slower. < 1499365219 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should just note that in comments/. < 1499365221 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499365448 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499365493 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to implement integer division too < 1499366559 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499367192 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's like "The evolution of a Haskell programmer" < 1499367399 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I have a suspicion that when the "disconnection" happens I can send but not receive" => that happens to me too < 1499367505 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to happen to lambdabot too... now it's sending regular ping messages to detect the situation. < 1499367588 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :local or remote ping? < 1499367608 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry, stupid question < 1499367999 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499368037 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499368042 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'm not very good at living away from home (even if it's just a holiday in a hotel) / and have lived in the same house almost all my life" => me neither. I just spent two and a half weeks away, which < 1499368110 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :, which? < 1499368127 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is quite a long time as these things go, but it was easy mode because I was visiting my brother and stayed in his house. I moved out from my parents one and a half years ago, so this is the third house I live in permanently (but I have spent a significant amount of time in my parent's summer cottage too). < 1499368144 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just typing slow < 1499368158 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're < 1499368168 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgiven ;-) < 1499368283 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" shachaf: moving is very difficult, especially when you have decade's worth of accumulated things" => indeed: a lot of my accumulated stuff (including books) is still in my parent's house. < 1499368479 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I moved out in easy mode: to the same city and into an apartment where my brother has previously lived and they have restored it really well so I can trust the apartment < 1499368790 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" what proportion of non-UTF-8 text that contains non-ASCII characters happens to be valid UTF-8?" - almost no text is accidentally valid utf-8 as far as I've seen, < 1499368825 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a certain text compression scheme whose compressed form is deliberately valid utf-8 < 1499368843 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and possibly non-ascii) < 1499368913 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the incentives are all in favour of giving fast, incomplete answers to easy questions" - sure, but that's a general problem that happens a lot outside of SE too < 1499368996 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499369312 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" although all those characters are in the extended-CP437 variant which has a printable glyph over each control code too" => EXTENDED? that's the original version. cp437 is what the CGA and monochrome cards, the video cards always had all 256 characters in text mode, < 1499369381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure that ais523 logreads. < 1499369383 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some printer control languages and some PC software use text formats that allow you to use only a subset, with teletype-like control codes (where at least carriage return is a control char) < 1499369458 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding is that "is this valid UTF-8" is more-or-less a perfect heuristic for detecting UTF-8 text. < 1499369470 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike most other encoding schemes. < 1499369540 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, it does fail for some stuff with only ascii bytes < 1499369543 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among what other encodings? < 1499369550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523 did ask for stuff with non-ascii bytes < 1499369555 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, "is this valid UTF-8 and not ASCII". < 1499369557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for any other seven-bit encoding presumably. < 1499369578 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how's colorado twh < 1499369581 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's all 7 bit, then frankly you can just assume it's US-ASCII and *probably* be right. < 1499369584 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Quite nice. < 1499369617 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499369621 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know there are many, many other 7 bit charsets, but who actually *uses* them outside of closed environments?) < 1499369644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a non-US ASCII? < 1499369677 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US-ASCII is the MIME preferred name, so that's what I use. < 1499369686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI < 1499369687 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, it's called iso646 encodings < 1499369690 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are non-US ASCII-like charsets. < 1499369695 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-646. < 1499369695 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1499369716 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US-ASCII is the ISO-646 US encoding. < 1499369751 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII also has some fancy name with an X and a number in it < 1499369768 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather a lot of countries have their own similar but not quite ASCII-compatible encodings. < 1499369811 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*These*, incidentally, are actually the origin for C trigraphs. < 1499369826 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The characters represented by trigraphs are not guaranteed to be invariant in ISO-646. < 1499369873 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that IBM's mainframes are the only actual users now, because IBM still *uses* charsets where they aren't guaranteed to exist, or can vary from charset to charset. < 1499369952 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although there's also the 7-bit SMS character set, which sort of looks like an iso-646 because the brackets are replaced, but it also puts printable characters to most of the control character codes < 1499369966 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they do say that if you run C stuff without the charset being a CP 1047 compatible one, stuff breaks. < 1499369972 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gets lots of use < 1499369979 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CP 1047 < 1499370005 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s variants guarantee the ASCII set exists and is encoded identically. Those are used in the IBM mainframe POSIX environment, generally) < 1499370015 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but that's the very definition of a closed system. < 1499370044 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you will never need a heuristic to detect the SMS charset in use; it's marked in the packet. < 1499370170 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, facepalm. < 1499370204 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the options is "unspecified 8-bit charset". < 1499370208 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, GSM. < 1499370720 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks GSM < 1499370733 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1499370737 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie!!! < 1499370787 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See few hours back re the machine being down. < 1499370793 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1499370883 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took the name of Gregor in not-vain on channel already, though "idle: 11 days 10 hours 47 mins 19 secs" does not fill me with confidence. < 1499370890 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a challenge. Without looking at Knuth's TAOCP, using only secondary resources instead, try to find evidence that in the MIX computer, the CMPA and CMP1 instructions with field specification compares the selected field of rA or rI1 resp, rather than the entire rA or rI1 resp. < 1499370941 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've googled for this, and the various informal descriptions of MIX out there on the internet always omit this curious detail. This came up because I'll try to write an entry on the esowiki for MIX. < 1499371086 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499371325 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499371485 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the box drawing I made earlier, but WITHOUT spamming the channel this time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25033876/ < 1499371524 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By box-drawing I mean box-drawing character drawing < 1499371913 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<\oren\> i dunno I was thinking there should be a children's book that teaches kids european jografy" => don't they do that in school? or do you mean to American kids or something? < 1499372096 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499372097 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminsds me of http://sergiu.turcanu.net/wp-content/uploads/america.gif < 1499372329 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the esowiki is down indeed < 1499372344 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Gregor Gregor < 1499372355 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499372359 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever is up with the server, I haven't the power to fix it right now. Kicking it did nothing. < 1499372372 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try pounding it with your fist. < 1499372383 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ouch. < 1499372386 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1499372392 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know who has the power to fix it? < 1499372394 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for trying anyway < 1499372405 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the most power to fix it of anybody who gives a shit ;) < 1499372418 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. anybody not CaC?) < 1499372427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still use CaC? < 1499372427 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even the web control panel for CaC is barely functioning, so I assume they're aware. < 1499372434 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the info < 1499372437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought someone in here had switched away from it. < 1499372457 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda crud, so... < 1499372468 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did, well, I canceled the toy CaC VM because it would continuously cost money. < 1499372472 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn crud < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "crud" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :crud < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: heavy wet snow that is unsuitable for skiing < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: any substance considered disgustingly foul or unpleasant < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [syn: {filth}, {crud}, {skank}] < 1499372474 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: an ill-defined bodily ailment; "he said he had the crud and < 1499372476 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : needed a doctor" < 1499372485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't see the nautical metaphor. < 1499372594 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many of these VMs Gregor has... might be worth the money even with their lousy service, assuming the VMs run at all. (The fee, I understood, is per account, not per server) < 1499372600 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is CaC? < 1499372613 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? CaC < 1499372641 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cloudatacost.com/ ... oops, I mean http://www.cloudatcost.com/ (look at the former link though, it's a fun read) < 1499372680 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why it's called "at cost" and then charges you a one-time fee. < 1499372703 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be frank, you could probably get a better experience hanging a Pi off a cable modem. < 1499372721 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yeah, it's still SLIGHTLY worth it for me, but I have been slowly moving things away. < 1499372741 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that supposed to be the full discounted cost? < 1499372754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should move it all to Google Cloud. < 1499372762 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike fizzie you're permitted to use it. < 1499372763 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I always thought it was a pyramid scheme. < 1499372775 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Ponzi may be closer. But fraudulent anyway. < 1499372835 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Thanks < 1499372883 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they will give you a virtual server for a pittance? That sounds scammy < 1499372894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick to learning Chinese characters is that it's easy to remember them if you invent several new characters for each one you memorize. < 1499372899 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Hanzi scheme. < 1499372907 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a pittance of a virtual server. < 1499372935 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must have REALLY bad service, then < 1499372936 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a scam, it just is really "you get what you pay for", particularly in terms of uptime and support. < 1499372945 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1499372989 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499373019 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of a scow than a scam. < 1499373054 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moscow? < 1499373097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moscow moproblems < 1499373163 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( their order form includes scripts from fraudlabspro.com ... too funny in context ) < 1499373166 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😎 < 1499373290 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1499373297 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499373334 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the part that I do consider fraudulent is that they don't mention the yearly fee anywhere in the order form, calling it "one time" payment (quotation marks are theirs, for what it's worth). You still have to read their terms of service up to point 9.18 to find out about them. Though 1.b.iii) should make you wary: "CloudatCost reserves the right to change fees or charges without notice to... < 1499373339 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you. Your continued use of the Service after a change in fees shall constitute your acceptance of such change in fees." < 1499373353 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499373367 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is also offline < 1499373376 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same VM, I believe < 1499373384 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VPS, whatever) < 1499373455 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are wikia wiki's in the cloud? < 1499373475 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, they are really slow to load from all the ads) < 1499373501 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cloud" is such a vague term. < 1499373539 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1499373550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: not without javascript they aren't. < 1499373563 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1499373567 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people will call any VPS a cloud server. < 1499373606 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess I mean hosted at a server local to none of the users < 1499373614 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but local to Wikia itself < 1499373637 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What do you mean? < 1499373827 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows where they actually are... they use the fastly CDN < 1499373852 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499373864 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much to learn < 1499374050 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has the wiki ever been backed up in the last few years? I know it did wiki-dumps at one point < 1499374192 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374266 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems that they are big enough that they should be running their own servers. Apparently they used to share wikimedia infrastructure. < 1499374277 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they = wikia) < 1499374286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie supposedly takes backups. < 1499374290 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe fizzie mentioned having backups < 1499374500 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499374548 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374575 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Client Quit < 1499374653 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374755 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374759 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499375158 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499375163 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1499375163 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i would firstly like to state this publicly. < 1499375179 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess fungot is not on the affected server? < 1499375180 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, for me, of a multilateral system; that, thanks, purely, to trade barriers, combined with maintaining the key principles behind our proposals for decoupling and modulation of direct aid by the member states and to give farmers a long-term political perspective. this amendment is admissible. the french proposal refers only to judges in the criminal law and criminal procedure. in cases where the offences < 1499375247 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is not cloudy at all < 1499375247 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, i have no difficulty in accepting this, we should consider reducing the level of contamination. while some had a legitimate purpose to improve financial management. it now remains to be seen in this house. < 1499375278 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the contamination, fungot? < 1499375278 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: madam president, the commission underlined the fact that it would be sending out a completely negative signal and a sombre message. more attention to this deficiency, as i have said, the adoption of the framework for the european union < 1499375335 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the president a mr or a madam? Make up your mind, fungot < 1499375335 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, it is something which will help control greenhouse gases in the european commission' s policy is not a priority. < 1499375383 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I guess that the contamination is "greenhouse gases in the european commission' s policy." Good to know < 1499375461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we know what all that hot air really is < 1499375559 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains so much! < 1499375615 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about belching and farting? < 1499375688 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the eurocommission is composed of cows < 1499375955 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the esowiki only broke a few days ago though < 1499376015 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been up until today < 1499376071 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn Calculus is mostly derivative. ) < 1499376120 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? calculus < 1499376143 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not there. < 1499376144 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. HackEgo is integral to accessing wisdoms < 1499376161 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( https://www.xkcd.com/626/ ) < 1499376194 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego timed out about 9 hours ago. < 1499376206 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: to writing them. for reading them, there's a separately hosted pdf file. wisdom/pdf has the url of that file. < 1499376218 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: "integral", nice. (even if accidental) < 1499376237 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it might also be in the topic) < 1499376277 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I actually did intend to make that pun... < 1499376290 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, we're on a weird tangent < 1499376318 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just had to use an ellipsis there. < 1499376384 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you the determinant of my writing style? < 1499376392 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That linear algebra one was a bit forced) < 1499376413 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have backups. Most recently from Tuesday. < 1499376463 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used them to set up a temporary read-only copy on one of my own machines twice, when we've been having Problems. < 1499376556 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1499376557 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 062020Z AUTO 29007KT 9999 NCD 27/15 Q1012 NOSIG < 1499376568 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so hot these days. :/ < 1499376584 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permit me to make one more. < 1499376594 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499376609 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki's eigenvalues are imaginary of control < 1499376625 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also got a copy in a bank vault back in Finland, but that's not updated more than maybe once a year. < 1499376646 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, THAT made no sense whatsoever < 1499376664 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work on my math jokes < 1499376729 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499376773 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bank vault? < 1499376850 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the English term for it is for one of those little locker boxes you rent from a bank. < 1499376864 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe-deposit box? < 1499376890 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A safe-deposit box lives within the vault of a federally insured bank or credit union." < 1499376893 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it. < 1499376929 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but those cost a shitton to rent < 1499376940 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've got one of them anyway. < 1499376953 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have other things in there than just the Esolangs wiki backup. < 1499376979 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also something like... between 5-10 euros a month?) < 1499377033 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall from the logs that a few people do a periodic copy of the XML dump we publish, so the wiki *contents* are probably quite redundantly stored. But my copies are likely the only ones with user accounts included. < 1499377331 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499377361 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499377521 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499378007 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1499378397 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499378841 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499379294 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499379373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1499380130 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1f9:bda5:e8:d835 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499380141 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499380710 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499381007 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499381432 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499381690 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1f9:bda5:e8:d835 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499381852 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499383441 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1499385046 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385104 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499385115 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:36::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385116 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:36::1 QUIT :Changing host < 1499385116 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385320 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385323 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1499385462 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1499385712 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set up the read-only backup copy, with two caveats. Firstly, I still hadn't changed the TTLs, so it will take up to a day for the DNS change to propagate. Secondly, the TLS certificate on it has expired, and I can't letsencrypt a new one until the DNS changes go through. < 1499385756 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you may be able to browse the wiki at http://esolangs.zem.fi/ < 1499386049 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499386050 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need some sort of a way to notice when (if) it comes back up, so I know how to undo this. < 1499386336 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499388095 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me < 1499390425 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499390546 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499391286 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499391435 0 :tswe_tt!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just occurred to me that I can probably kill Warrigal. < 1499391543 0 :tswe_tt!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Warrigal isn't a registered nickname. < 1499391548 0 :tswe_tt!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do this, however... < 1499391549 0 :tswe_tt!?@? NICK :tswett < 1499391615 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswarrigello_tt. < 1499391622 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, MWAH AH AH AH AH. < 1499391630 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :firestarter. I *love* that artifact. < 1499391654 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499391757 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game? < 1499391793 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499391928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499391987 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorcah. DCSS! < 1499392001 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything explodes everywhere! ludicrous flaming gibs! < 1499392010 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH!!! < 1499393000 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499394147 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499394181 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HYPOTHETIC CHICKEN < 1499394315 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499394419 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499394723 0 :Warriga_l!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499394796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: whoa whoa whoa < 1499394808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1499394894 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello shachaf < 1499394904 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499394910 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'z jamz < 1499394917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no ski < 1499395034 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm i'm rather sleepy. about to head for bed < 1499395046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ski < 1499395047 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for ski is Fri Jul 7 03:37:26 2017 < 1499395051 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgtm < 1499395060 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :say again ? < 1499395060 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'niski < 1499395424 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:f1be:45d5:2d2:1f4c JOIN :#esoteric < 1499395515 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bckw is more intuitive < 1499395737 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski is p. intuitive < 1499395977 0 :Warriga_l!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499396119 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499396232 0 :Warriga_l!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499396444 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499396497 0 :Warriga_l!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499396511 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499396593 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499396719 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499396735 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki being hijacked? < 1499396837 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499396928 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499396945 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499397757 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's down, I believe < 1499397769 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.zem.fi/ is a mirror < 1499397780 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why it's down, though < 1499397829 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting cert errors when trying to connect to it. < 1499397854 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :annnd it's back up. < 1499397884 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put up a local, read-only copy. < 1499397908 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:01 I set up the read-only backup copy, with two caveats. Firstly, I still hadn't changed the TTLs, so it will take up to a day for the DNS change to propagate. Secondly, the TLS certificate on it has expired, and I can't letsencrypt a new one until the DNS changes go through. < 1499397923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the certificate issues. < 1499397941 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1499397979 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The VPS it normally runs on is being unresponsive.) < 1499398061 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/CloudAtCost/comments/6llch0/all_servers_down_panelcloudatcostcom_not_available/ < 1499398282 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499398400 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this looks like a scam.... < 1499398475 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's really nothing new about that, but we've been coasting by with what we've got. < 1499398508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499398511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing new about it looking like a scam? < 1499398513 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coastatcost < 1499398521 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't own the VPS, I just run the wiki on it. So I don't e.g. have access to that control panel, even if it was working.) < 1499398602 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the positive side, I managed to renew the certificate (the temporary DNS changes had propagated to whatever letsencrypt used for the domain validation), so if you're getting the non-broken address, https://esolangs.org/ should be working again. < 1499398810 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd give CaC reasonable chances of still coming back from the dead. It was down for a few days a while back as well, but reappeared. < 1499398952 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it clawed its way back from the dead before < 1499398955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :clawedatcost < 1499399363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be a bit questionable, considering that all-of-a-sudden $9 service charge seems like *exactly* the sort of thing you do when your business model has failed utterly. < 1499399382 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with reports that people have had trouble cancelling service. < 1499399421 0 :_keemyb_!keemyb@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-bjhhoiefbbfybcvi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499399490 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was their original plan for making money? < 1499399535 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499399565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charge people a bunch of money and then turn off the service after a while? < 1499399566 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-hdggsbfrxrvgrotl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499399574 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1499399577 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or scam them with a monthly fee that you add on without telling them. < 1499399592 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unclear. < 1499399645 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, they're corporationally part of something that does make money, or at least in partnership with. < 1499399658 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ventures.fibernetics.ca/cloud-at-cost/ < 1499399660 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1499399666 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, so it's like most of Alphabet? < 1499399679 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might've assumed they could be able to get enough word of mouth that more regular-cost-structure services could take off later? < 1499399687 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if their business model can be understood in isolation, but I also don't know how it would make sense in conjunction with Fibernetics either. < 1499399788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It began as part of an internal side project aimed at rekindling the entrepreneurial spirit within an established 200-employee tech company. Less than a year later, Cloud at Cost – a hosting service with a $35 one-time fee and no monthly bill – has raked in $1 million without any marketing, and injected fresh energy into Fibernetics, --" < 1499399793 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.communitech.ca/columns/cloud-at-cost-injects-fibernetics-with-startup-energy < 1499399816 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was written when the "no monthly bill" part was more true. < 1499399870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe their business model should be not to allow anyone in Europe to use their services. < 1499399938 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 11,000-square-foot facility boasts a data centre filled with servers and related equipment Fibernetics was able to acquire at deep discounts, and a rooftop solar array that generates more power than the operation uses. The servers access the same network upon which Fibernetics’ Internet and phone business is based. -- “That really gave us the unfair advantage to go ahead against other [cloud] < 1499399944 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :companies that have to pay for space and power and Internet and all those things.”" < 1499400118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind running the thing on something more reasonable, but that would involve paying money, and I've already gotten into discussions re fronting the bill for the domain. VPSes tend to be about an order of magnitude more expensive than domains. < 1499400208 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that said, it's entirely possible that all that's going on is they've had issues and the entire side project is a very low priority. < 1499400311 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, time to go sweat^W sleep. < 1499400316 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's 27 degrees indoors.) < 1499400560 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499401780 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:f1be:45d5:2d2:1f4c QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499402566 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499403196 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much data does it use? < 1499403254 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can currently volunteer to host it, maybe once I get a server into a colo somwhere < 1499403288 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: with MediaWiki the problem is mostly CPU power, not bandwidth < 1499403294 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much more CPU-hungry than you might expect < 1499403303 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't realize that < 1499403355 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it use so much? < 1499403391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it's fairly badly written, and in PHP at that (which is not the most optimized language) < 1499403485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should switch to Hack. < 1499404870 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499404871 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :has there ever been any practical two dimensional language? < 1499404871 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499404887 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or N-dimensional where N > 1 < 1499404908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practical or merely not intended to be esoteric? < 1499404921 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, both I suppose. < 1499404927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram 2 was going to have 2-dimensional syntax. < 1499404935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether that really counts. < 1499404958 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D syntax huh? do you have some examples of it? < 1499404963 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigram_(programming_language) < 1499404974 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe even Epigram 1 had it? < 1499405008 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow. so it actually has diagrams.. < 1499405032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course there's http://www.eelis.net/C++/analogliterals.xhtml < 1499405043 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. of course. < 1499405178 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been wondering if there's any use for a language with syntax/a computational model that can be extended to multiple dimensions. < 1499405195 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499405199 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :excel comes to mind. as does the TIS-100. < 1499405211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both good examples. < 1499405223 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those only really showcase two dimensions. < 1499405280 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that springs to mind regarding 3D would be snapmap. < 1499405287 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the recent Doom 2016.) < 1499405431 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you count cellular automata as programming languages? < 1499405444 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, but that's a little easy. < 1499405457 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't easy answers better than hard answers? < 1499405470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any popular 3D cellular automata? < 1499405470 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but often easy answers don't give way to deeper thought. :P < 1499405481 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Are there "automata" which are continuous? < 1499405486 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from weird von-neumann-esq. CAs, not sure. < 1499405491 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, smoothlife. < 1499405494 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are ones that have continuous cell states rather than a set number of colors. < 1499405500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about continuous cell boundaries? < 1499405512 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. a function or something rather than discrete cells. < 1499405513 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another interesting question: code reuse, what happens in "space"? < 1499405533 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that there's nothing about Hashlife that particularly depends on discreteness. < 1499405539 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499405548 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in fact it's almost more suitable to continuous spaces. < 1499405560 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1499405581 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you could use hashlife on smoothlife. < 1499405595 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Excel is more like 3-dimensional, not 2-dimensional, because it supports ranges spanning through worksheets, where the order of worksheets matter. < 1499405614 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was curious if it supported that. < 1499405636 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Smoothlife is not what I thought. < 1499405637 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's much more support for 2 dimensional stuff than for 3 dimensions, such as specific functions and operators, but still. < 1499405643 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to code reuse in higher-dimensional environments? < 1499405664 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does our universe, as far as we know, lend itself to Hashlife-style simulation? < 1499405691 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The speed of light suggests that it might. < 1499405713 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But quantum effects might not be compatible with locality. < 1499405756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if so, they're incompatible in a very particular way. Maybe it's a way that can still be simulated efficiently? < 1499406222 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be REALLY interesting is an N-dimensional language adapted to an arbitrary vector space. < 1499406236 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :control flow becomes transformations. < 1499406280 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499406322 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: That's... pretty much a quantum computer < 1499406328 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1499406341 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite an arbitrary vector space there, but arbitrary dimension anyway < 1499406633 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem with languages with a spatial syntax is that it's hard to include/replicate code. < 1499406660 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only imagine the horrors of constructing CA-based programs. incredibly fragile things. < 1499406851 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499406937 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructing physics-based programs is also pretty tricky. < 1499407260 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499407271 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Client Quit < 1499407541 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could believe that you could turn any N-dimensional program into a traditional, textual program by the inclusion of coordinates/bounding boxes. < 1499407557 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x, y, z, ), ... < 1499407584 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could design the program and serialize it. < 1499407945 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: just store it as a quadtree like hashlife hth < 1499407962 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayyyy. < 1499410041 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e0c6:f2e1:82e7:dfc4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499410900 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1499412149 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e0c6:f2e1:82e7:dfc4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499412354 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499412355 0 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1499412365 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499412420 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1499412681 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499412919 0 :betaveros_!~betaveros@mint-square.mit.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499413009 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499413063 0 :betaveros!~betaveros@mint-square.mit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499413115 0 :jjthrash!~jjthrash@util.brownbirdlabs.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499413145 0 :ineiros_!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499413186 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1499413416 0 :puckipedia!~puck@puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499413719 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499415523 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499415944 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still wonders how code re-use would work in a higher dimensional language. < 1499416046 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :with traditional programs you can just bolt multiple code segments together and give a couple entry points. < 1499416075 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :gluing together segments of a plane isn't as.. easy. you need to have some sort of isolation. < 1499416269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't a similar thing true in a one-dimensional language like bf as well? < 1499416341 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A traditional program is something like a graph, where you can make an edge pointing to any name. < 1499416361 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could have a 2D language that requires the graph to be planar. < 1499416373 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd end up with something like wireworld. < 1499416388 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like an N-dimensional excel. < 1499416423 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :where regions of space can be occupied by code with its own instruction pointer. < 1499416503 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a "robust-first computing" video or something where the guy designed a filter out of small probabilistic particles... lemme get that. < 1499416849 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=helScS3coAE quite long, but an interesting take on "programming" with a virtual environment with inputs and outputs. < 1499416860 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499416893 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499416926 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-012-157-114.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499417018 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499417023 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499417185 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499417892 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499418168 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499418854 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499418934 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499419267 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499420347 0 :jjthrash!~jjthrash@util.brownbirdlabs.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499421595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499422897 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Still no worky. < 1499423213 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Backup wiki at http://esolangs.zem.fi/ | vampiric manatees | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1499423242 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Backup wiki (readonly) at http://esolangs.zem.fi/ | vampiric manatees | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1499423304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Backup wiki (readonly) at http://esolangs.zem.fi/ | mermaid umpires | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1499423763 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "In the European Union and Russia, Google Cloud Platform services can be used only for business purposes." Hey, maybe Brexit means I can use it. < 1499423776 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1499424448 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499424457 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1499425065 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499425660 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499425692 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499425808 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speedrunning stuff: Summer Games Done Quick crew has already started to upload videos of the first games of SGDQ to youtube. After SGDQ, there are more speedrunning marathons this summer: < 1499425881 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :handheld heroes (gameboy games, on in second half of twitch.tv/speedgaming , no physical conference) starting 2017-07-15, then ESA (European Speedrun Assembly) in july in Vaxjö, then I hear there's something in august in america. < 1499425884 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been bootleg copies of the SGDQ runs in YouTube for a while already. ;) < 1499425898 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, encodes of the twitch videos < 1499425915 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are the first official encodes (I'm not sure if they're the final official encodes) < 1499425958 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that thing which does them automatically, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfqRJEB9cDt4j_RqRXg0ABA/videos < 1499425974 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, watching them like that was preferrable to watching Twitch in real time, it was freezing for seconds all the time. At least when I tried. < 1499426044 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitch freezes less if you load the player.twitch.tv frame directly. the horrible part of twitch is the chat and other wobsite elements that often freeze your browser completely. < 1499426075 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official ones are in a playlist that has "Raw Stream" in the name... though on the other hand, that's the case for AGDQ 2017 as well. < 1499426110 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in some older years, the final official encodes were on archive.org < 1499427101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1499427234 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499427402 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1499427403 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 071029Z 23009KT 180V250 3/4SM R24R/P6000FT/U R24L/P6000FT/U +TSRA BKN009 OVC018CB 21/19 A2979 RMK SF5CB3 PRESRR SLP090 DENSITY ALT 1000FT < 1499427425 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no TSRA here. it's gonna rain. < 1499427777 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499427812 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-188-96.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499427898 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1499428963 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499430587 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MASTER CHICKEN < 1499430867 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499430875 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki's back! < 1499430877 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 QUIT :Changing host < 1499430877 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499430877 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 QUIT :Changing host < 1499430877 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499430918 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you made a backup mirror! < 1499431949 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499432236 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499432465 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really back. < 1499432470 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you see is the copy. < 1499432497 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should get a sad message if you try to edit something.) < 1499432522 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499432739 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499434019 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499434028 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so this is just the mirror? < 1499434040 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a read-only mirror < 1499434121 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely, typing in esolangs.org now gets me nowhere. I used to get the wiki. < 1499434129 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if it was the read-only version) < 1499434140 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can access the mirror just fine < 1499434309 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "mermaid umpires" mean? < 1499434344 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also been "vampiric manatees" and something involving a hypercantata or something like that < 1499434629 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerbal: dunno, after the Rat Samurai of the Kamigawa block, I'm not so easy to surprise by unusual race role combinations. < 1499435365 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: It will take a while for the DNS change (to make esolangs.org point at the copy) to reach everywhere, and until it does, you might get different results from the caches of different nameservers. < 1499435388 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499435677 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499435784 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever created an esoteric markup language? < 1499436452 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tex < 1499437297 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides that < 1499437915 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I returned to the airport by train, at one point I was sitting in a small compartment of 8 seats with 4 other people, all 4 having a laptop in front of them < 1499437927 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently everyone works on a laptop during traveling there < 1499438228 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499438232 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1499438826 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1499438838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1499438850 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something I wanted to ask you about M:tG rules < 1499438870 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499439990 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The redirect to the wiki now works < 1499440000 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, at least < 1499440102 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In M:tG rules, basically I want to know how linked abilities work when a permanent gets them indirectly. Take the abilities of Synod Sanctum or Muse Vessel for example. Another permanent could get the abils indirectly through copy effects including cytoshape, or Quicksilver Elemental effects. < 1499440154 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use the first ability to exile an object, then something happens with the indirect (possibly multiply indirect way) how this permanent gets its abilities, when can I still use the second ability to access the exiled card(s)? < 1499440277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if you get the ability through Experiment Kraj, what happens if (a) the original Synod Sanctum loses all +1/+1 counters then regains them (b) the Sanctum phases out then phases in (c) the Sanctum dies then another Sanctum etb and gets a counter, < 1499440346 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) the Sanctum gets Turned to Frog then back, (e) the Kraj gets Turned to Frog then back, ... and lots of other possibilities. < 1499440395 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simliarly, if a bear gets the Sanctum abilities through Cytoshape, the shape times out then in a later turn I Cytoshape the bear back to the same Sanctum, can I access the cards? < 1499440440 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know a general rule of when linked abilities can access the exiled card or similar when a permanent gets linked abilities indirectly. < 1499440959 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is War (the card game) guaranteed to halt? < 1499441003 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the cards given to each player at the start are non-random < 1499441050 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, this M:tG thing got me thinking about the M:tG TC proof, which made me wonder about this) < 1499441681 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-101-252.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499441795 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-012-157-114.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499442168 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: still here? < 1499442546 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1499442588 0 :danieljabailey!?@? NICK :DaNiElJaBaIlEy < 1499442595 0 :DaNiElJaBaIlEy!?@? NICK :danieljabailey < 1499442659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, just don't really have anything to say < 1499442663 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert in M:tG rules < 1499442678 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1499443169 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a war game could be abstracted to a set of queues where every queue stores instructions < 1499443177 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then who's the M:tG rules expert on this channel then? < 1499443189 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it zzo38? < 1499443215 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: every queue stores a set of integers < 1499443234 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are the inputs of the only instruction in War < 1499443389 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this instruction basically takes a set of integers, where the position of the integer in the set corresponds to the queue (so the 1st integer is for the first queue) and writes the set to the queue corresponding to the largest integer in the set. < 1499443394 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1499443453 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499443469 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, to make War deterministic you must specify the order in which the set is written to the queue, which is not specified by some War rules I have seen < 1499443596 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming a 2 player game, you get two stacks < 1499443604 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: queues < 1499443661 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, then, that War is a OISC < 1499443673 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two stacks < 1499443713 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, then, will War (or a precisely defined variant thereof) halt? < 1499443730 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean queues above) < 1499443744 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:d04e:21a9:8b45:c149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499443756 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where War is defined broadly as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(card_game) < 1499444311 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,4] vs [3,2]; [4,1,3] vs [2]; [1,3] vs [4,2]; [3,1,4] vs [2]; [1,4] vs [3,2]; repeat < 1499444322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this uses a fairly asymmetrical gather order (always player 1 above player 2) < 1499444766 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Could you explain your queue notation? I'm a bit confused (my apologies) < 1499444775 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: head of the queue is at the left end < 1499444835 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 3 won the battle against 1, why didn't the second player get 1? < 1499444922 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are 3 and 1 not being compared? < 1499445022 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: ais523 is a mathematician, not a card gamer, so lower number wins in his notation. < 1499445074 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok. That threw me off < 1499445117 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it appears that, for some starting values, War will never halt < 1499445123 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499445192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499445330 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is War TC? < 1499445385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, finite storage < 1499445418 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1499445482 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a variant in which "war" events create an extra card, namely the lowest value in the facedown cards? < 1499445587 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-101-252.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499445621 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,3,5,7] vs [1,2,3,8]; 2 is generated and given to the winner < 1499445646 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huhwhat < 1499445662 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, a way of getting around finite storage\ < 1499445667 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by generating cards < 1499445678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is starting to get into xigxag territory, now < 1499445683 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. probably not TC but it's going to be a pain to prove < 1499445763 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, we need a consistent notation first... < 1499445776 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do small or large numbers win? < 1499445790 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small in my notation < 1499445791 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like the Last ReSort? < 1499445807 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: nah, I think Last ReSort probably /is/ TC but it's going to be a pain to prove < 1499445813 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong, though < 1499445819 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in either case < 1499445829 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, xigxag was that language that's like a tag system with two symbols or something < 1499445924 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there even a simple proof that iterated McCulloch's second machine isn't TC? < 1499445929 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xigxag has two symbols, < and >, but it isn't like a tag system < 1499445949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each step, a < is replaced by a copy of everything to its left, a > is replaced by a copy of everything to its right < 1499445959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been proven that all nontrivial programs grow exponentially but that really doesn't state anything about TCness < 1499446514 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499446582 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499447047 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a universal generator g in the sense that every string of s occurs as a substring in some successor of g? < 1499447100 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, interesting question < 1499447103 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's been explored yet < 1499447615 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1499447649 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a call to system() is O(n) in the size of the calling process!!!!!! < 1499447653 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1499447730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you're on a UNIX-alike with a broken vfork? < 1499447796 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, in some large server programs forking can be a bottleneck, in which case you can prefork (and optionally exec) a separate small process whose job is to fork children. < 1499447812 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preforking has other advantages too, such as not having to worry about strange process state getting copied and accidentally causing hard to debug problems in the descendants. < 1499447895 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: we are basically doeing that now < 1499447925 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except the "process whose job it is to fork children" is just a shell script) < 1499447952 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: seriously, though, what OS are you on? < 1499447957 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1499447985 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux has a bunch of forking optimizations, and doesn't need to copy the entire state of the program on a fork < 1499448005 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vfork is just seen as a clue to the scheduler there, rather than to the MMU, because a regular fork is already efficient enough < 1499448012 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I wonder if it nonetheless has to copy the page table? < 1499448023 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's way smaller than memory generally, but it's still O(n) in the size of the process, just about < 1499448029 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have expected the constant factor to be larger though < 1499448039 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and this process has a ton of mmapped files < 1499448078 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was calling system() several times a second < 1499448153 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: was it at least calling system for something useful that's hard to replace, or for something silly like system("clear")? < 1499448176 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling system() several times a second tends to be slow regardless of who's calling it < 1499448206 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprintf(s,"rm %s",filename);system(s); < 1499448228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeeeak < 1499448259 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind what will heppen if filename contains a space < 1499448296 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499448305 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499448327 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily this code never runs in prod < 1499448333 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when testing < 1499448357 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so glibc's system uses this to fork on linux: # define FORK() INLINE_SYSCALL (clone, 3, CLONE_PARENT_SETTID | SIGCHLD, 0, &pid) ... CLONE_VM is not set so yes it'll make a, more or less, copy of the page tables. < 1499448395 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hmm, that's from 2012. ) < 1499448403 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes find a current version < 1499448454 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does exec() interact with threads? < 1499448510 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more curious about vfork and threads < 1499448675 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, current glibc still does the same thing. < 1499448696 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'd assume that on Linux at least, vfork just prevents other threads running until the exec/_exit < 1499448717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on Linux, the only difference between fork and vfork is in how the scheduler reacts < 1499448725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD might be more interesting, though < 1499448731 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I assume it does threads quite differently from Linux < 1499448889 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, posix_spawn seems to use vfork (CLONE_VM | CLONE_VFORK); but they go out of their way to set up a new stack. < 1499448901 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499448961 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on linux; the generic posix implementation is based around fork()) < 1499449369 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :three steps further into the rabbit hole... is system() guaranteed to run atfork handlers? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112517 says no. < 1499449402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect that guarantee to exist < 1499449442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd expect system to be implemented via posix_spawn nowadays < 1499449449 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has no reason to call an atfork < 1499449470 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah! atfork. good idea. < 1499449579 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point I was wondering how in a multithread program when I fork-exec and want to have the children inherit a specific file handle, how I could make sure another thread doesn't system (or popen) at just the wrong time and inherit that handle. < 1499449589 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on window, so fork wasn't actually involved sadly. < 1499449640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation of popen itself makes sure the handles it creatures aren't inherited by other calls to popen by locking on a mutex, but that mutex isn't in the documented API so you can't reference them from user code. < 1499449739 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An atfork handle would be ideal for locking on a similar mutex you create. < 1499449749 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that wouldn't work < 1499449760 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to lock the mutex before you fork and unlock after you fork < 1499449765 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an atfork handler can't do that < 1499449774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can it? < 1499449923 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The expected usage is that the prepare handler acquires all mutex locks and the other two fork handlers release them." http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/pthread_atfork.html < 1499450015 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF that's not something I expected to hear: a game where they play the US version because the japanese version has longer dialog (on SGDQ) < 1499450059 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, lazy localization? < 1499450084 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1499450468 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499450641 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499450773 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499450782 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499451185 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499451967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1499452483 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I HATE LAZY TRANSLATORS < 1499452494 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :REEEEEE < 1499452554 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote lazy < 1499452554 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :malig says: quantum mechanics actually strikes me as less wierd than lazy evaluation sometimes. at least it disallows time travel < 1499452605 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you hit people? < 1499452607 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: madam president, i thank the president-in-office for that answer, president-in-office. we would welcome coordination of the council's willingness to consider aid for research and innovation, which is based on an arsenal of sanctions which will have considerable social and environmental jobs; encouraging public and private research expenditure is continuing or picking up in the forthcoming session, which were not kept to. < 1499452811 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but there's one way he can hit people < 1499452946 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499452997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_jonas < 1499453067 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1499453079 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a #include_if_exists < 1499453094 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: we have that these days in C < 1499453101 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not spelled that way, but still < 1499453113 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef __has_include or some such thing, I don't recall < 1499453122 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most C compilers have it by now < 1499453140 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're even putting it to the c++ standard, though I don't really like that idea < 1499453152 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh hooray! < 1499453181 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: *into < 1499453184 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is just to have a "defines_for_testing.h" folder < 1499453199 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly in < 1499453204 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will exist when I want to change some numbers for testing < 1499453215 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric : WTF that's not something I expected to hear: a game where they play the US version because the japanese version has longer dialog (on SGDQ) ← huh, that's a new one < 1499453223 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, actually #if __has_include rather than ifdef < 1499453239 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, at least in one case I've seen french or spanish be the quickest (although I'm not sure if that game had japanese localisation) < 1499453270 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's GTA-3, but it's quicker for reasons other than just dialog length < 1499453277 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499453314 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was thinking of another game FWIW, I was thinking of Guacamelee < 1499453348 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe GTA Vice City. iirc it's because the french version censors the rampange missions, and runs in some categories use that and replay bugs (of which the PC version has a shitton of crazy ones) to get something crazy by switching langugaes < 1499453349 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say at least one Zelda game was fastest in some european language too < 1499453361 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that could also be for non-dialogue-length version differences < 1499453380 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'm not surprised if something is faster in English than in Japanese, I'm only surprised if it's because of dialog length < 1499453393 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1499453453 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason why Japanese version is usually faster is the PAL vs NTSC difference, but that doesn't apply to either GTA on PC, nor to the portable console game that spawned my surprise this time < 1499453525 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, or version differences such as bugs exclusive to one language < 1499453541 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think say game boy pokemon red/blue are faster in japanese because of dialog length < 1499453544 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure < 1499453561 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some zelda games too < 1499453605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499453645 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, certainly… although I believe OoT is fastest in chinese (so, the iQue version) < 1499453647 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Japanese vs. English, PAL vs NTSC shouldn't be relevant basically ever. < 1499453662 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the game never got a US release. < 1499453662 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because US is also NTSC? < 1499453665 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1499453669 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's confusing < 1499453685 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTSC is the American spec that Japan also adopted. < 1499453687 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, NTSC is in japan and america, PAL in western europe < 1499453698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's more complicated than that, but that's the main idea) < 1499453717 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for purposes of *most* video games, it's really a question of being 50 or 60 Hz. < 1499453748 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With region coding being relevant for some consoles, but that doesn't really effect the performance of the game. < 1499453774 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 2600 was the one console where SECAM versions could justifiably be written differently than PAL? < 1499453784 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have different display resolution, making it even harder to port games < 1499453800 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAL and NTSC have different resolution that is < 1499453808 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2600 had a SECAM version? < 1499453809 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1499453812 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1499453822 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the 2600 is before my time < 1499453833 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though many PAL releases just used the NTSC resolution and let there be a bunch of black pixels. < 1499453848 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: on what console? < 1499453858 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES, particularly. < 1499453864 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1499453878 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, rather a *lot* of consoles did the same thing for PAL ports of NTSC games. < 1499453919 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for ones that'd run an NTSC ROM perfectly fine on PAL hardware, just slower. < 1499453949 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These weren't exactly great PAL ports, but let's be real, a lot of companies just didn't give a shit. < 1499453997 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SECAM 2600 was actually kinda hilarious. < 1499454005 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had an 8 color pallete. < 1499454009 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*palette < 1499454014 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1499454039 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that make it a much worse console than the 2600 then? < 1499454047 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1499454125 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. The reason is they never produced a SECAM TIA chip at all. < 1499454137 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1499454142 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it work then? < 1499454156 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just used a quick hack on the PAL TIA chip's luminance output to output color signals based on the luma value. < 1499454168 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *just* output the PAL luma signal with that hack color signal. < 1499454185 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the reason they didn't bother, is the market size didn't merit it. < 1499454197 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because at the time the SECAM market they thought possible was *just* France. < 1499454208 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(selling to the Soviet Union, in the early 80s? LOL.) < 1499454212 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can understand < 1499454212 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( PAL is used in western europe and australia… although Eurovision would have you believe that australia is part of europe, so…) < 1499454249 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fun, apparently France didn't really get custom ROMs to deal with that. < 1499454273 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, the B&W switch was overloaded somewhat. < 1499454285 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? PAL < 1499454298 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAL releases were expected to output luma-only when it was set to black and white. < 1499454306 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And French 2600s had an always-on black and white switch. < 1499454416 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there any flagship games that did get custom ROM? < 1499454426 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1499454536 0 :bit_lySLH2uSZHed!~deepbook@198.144.116.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499454588 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, and some of the early SECAM 2600s were made SECAM with just some wires added on the board. < 1499454606 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably a local RF modulator. < 1499454675 0 :bit_lySLH2uSZHed!~deepbook@198.144.116.187 PART #esoteric : < 1499456632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, is there even a simple proof that iterated McCulloch's second machine isn't TC? <-- i never finished my analysis, it got complicated and i'd have to write a constraint solving program, but my _hunch_ is that the resulting "register machine" is too simple to be TC. < 1499456661 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok < 1499456686 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put differently, it's not that simple, because it devolves into a register machine thing with ~6 registers. < 1499456708 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer registers? < 1499456726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural numbers, they correspond to lengths of certain substrings. < 1499456734 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1499456770 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to stream a recording to a DVD without needing to store it in RAM or a disk file? < 1499456772 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather "number of subblocks" of certain substrings, i guess. < 1499456884 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, where'd you put stuff if not in the ram? < 1499456910 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the DVD < 1499456953 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part that is currently recording may be stored in a buffer in RAM, but after that it shouldn't store everything and only a small part, to not take up too much RAM. < 1499457029 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and you want this with an ordinary DVD burner drive hardware, or custom drive? < 1499457066 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the ordinary DVD hardware < 1499457425 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499457522 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So you'd e.g. permit like a 2 meg buffer or some such, but that's about it? < 1499457538 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 meg would be very small < 1499457541 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's possible, but dunno how easy it'd be to do. < 1499457560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, something like that. < 1499457564 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can barely even fit a single frame of raw video in that < 1499457600 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also nearly 2 seconds of output to a DVD burner at 1x speed. < 1499457601 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want lots more memory for compressing video < 1499457617 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming that was the buffer from the encoder to the DVD burner. < 1499457643 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That assumes that you are recording video onto the DVD; the data being recorded is not necessarily going to be video though < 1499457659 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, do remember this is a *DVD*. < 1499457660 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, so 2 megs besides the hundreds of megs or something the video encoder itself uses? < 1499457693 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A frame of *DVD* video raw doesn't take that much. < 1499457739 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that the data to record is not necessarily a video. < 1499457777 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah < 1499457781 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A full frame of DVD video at 4:2:2 is less than a meg. < 1499457783 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ah. < 1499457803 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and are you allowed to use a format on the dvd that requires a custom decoder software to read, as long as it doesn't have too much space overhead? < 1499457863 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, as far as I'm aware the only thing preventing you from writing a DVD *streaming* like you want is software, not hardware. < 1499457875 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as the hardware's concerned it's burning bits out of a buffer. < 1499457885 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have hope that you can just read it from /dev/dvdrom or whatever even if it isn't a filesystem < 1499457902 0 :augur!~augur@67-207-118-226.static.wiline.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499457908 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think UDF, the common filesystem for DVDs, is actually designed to let you output it streaming. < 1499457916 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is necessary to reduce the speed of the disc spinning either < 1499457929 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while recording; not while reading) < 1499457947 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It should only be a function of how fast you can shove bits at the thing. < 1499457972 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ordinary dvd writing already allows you to slow down the dvd or cd rotation, and we often use that option because it might make the disk last longer < 1499457996 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always written my dvds at 4x speed even though the drive and disk could do 16x < 1499458007 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also necessary to match the speed to the disk to some extent. < 1499458014 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing will be, what if the speed of the streaming is unknown or variable? < 1499458047 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC present-day burners are able to straight-up stop mid-burn to allow their buffer to fill up. < 1499458080 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: stopping is easy. continuing is the hard part. < 1499458122 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that in order to be able to stop and continue at any time may be necessary to make it spin more slowly? < 1499458183 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe you will need some kind of mark to indicate the address?) < 1499458184 0 :augur!~augur@67-207-118-226.static.wiline.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499458207 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499458656 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is UDF design like that for use with DVD recorders that can record television shows? < 1499460036 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/akxyv < 1499460220 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1499460375 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499460676 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499460778 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499460923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sanyo has a trandmark ("BURN-Proof™") and a patent for doing that sort of stop/resume on CDs, I think that was reasonably widely supported. And already at least a decade old by now. < 1499460953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499461006 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wikipedia claims that the DVD+R(W) formats have that as a standard thing.) < 1499461084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1499461088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember DVD-RAM? < 1499461148 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah screencapped thru facebook for realism < 1499461149 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://snag.gy/QN8ivE.jpg < 1499461189 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember DVD-RAM, I think I might've gotten one disc alongside a "super multi" drive. < 1499461225 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't do the cartridge trick. < 1499461684 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/ywabaFb.gifv < 1499461979 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: lol < 1499462211 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😉 < 1499462416 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you decrease the TTL on esolangs.org? < 1499462435 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like you did. < 1499462439 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set it to 5 minutes, yes. < 1499462477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was inspired by such industry giants as the Google, which also uses 300 seconds. < 1499462492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, are you sure that's not confidential information? < 1499462501 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "dig google.com a". < 1499462509 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to be confidential about that. < 1499462520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's your TTL, but maybe my TTL is different. < 1499462531 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you're at work and you're revealing information about the internal TTL. < 1499462533 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fizzie < 1499462533 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Fri Jul 7 21:22:13 2017 < 1499462536 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I couldn't remember what it was in a confidential way, so I did just that. < 1499462538 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1499462573 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about HackEgo? < 1499462577 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When's that one coming back? < 1499462609 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good question. I don't have super recent clone of the repository. < 1499462623 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1499462628 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just gone? < 1499462635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No copy of the data or anything? < 1499462635 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that and do not see anything about TTL. Did I do something wrong? < 1499462647 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew I should have set up a cron job to fetch the repository. < 1499462654 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Tried what, the dig command? < 1499462663 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1499462666 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably saw a line like google.com. 174 IN A 172.217.6.78 < 1499462673 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :174 is the TTL < 1499462685 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be less than 300 if you get it from a server that had it cached. < 1499462707 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, although I get a different number (64 instead of 174 or 300) and the IP address is also different < 1499462734 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically I should've said something like dig @ns1.google.com google.com a < 1499462750 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one I get as a constant 300, since it's the authoritative reply. < 1499462771 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you run the command multiple times you'll probably see that number decreasing every second. < 1499462781 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes that one works. < 1499462782 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1499462806 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe you should go work at the google hth < 1499462862 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: To answer your question, I do have one copy, it's just very old. Anyway, I'm still sort of expecting the server to be back in some form eventually, at least enough for the big G (the other big G) to pull data out of it. < 1499462883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc_: higan < 1499462900 0 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-52-10-77-75.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1499462936 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should have a #esoteric IRC meetup when fizzie is in CA < 1499462954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who all is still in california around here < 1499463024 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Presumably the big G is pulling data out of it using HTTP. < 1499463145 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was sort of speculating about the big G that has access to the control panel. Maybe they have some sort of a thing. I don't know, I'm not a CaC customer. < 1499463178 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the non-other big G. < 1499463187 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the other other big G. < 1499463196 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many Gs are there, and which of them are big? < 1499463240 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the gravitational constant, but that'd not so big. < 1499463263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also suggests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Gemini < 1499463286 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In related news, I had done a Bad Thing about the monitoring: I had the node metrics configured using the role DNS name "esolangs.org", instead of a specific designator of the machine. < 1499463297 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I won't be notified when/if it comes back up. :/ < 1499463300 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic mistake < 1499463337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which monitoring system was this? < 1499463357 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prometheus on this side, prometheus-node-exporter and mtail on the other side. < 1499463399 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and also nginx on the other side to do HTTPS and basic auth. < 1499463478 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That last bit is the problematic one, because I could reconfigure the other bits, but the HTTPS connection will fail because the TLS certificate will have just esolangs.org and www.esolangs.org on it.) < 1499463672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope shaventions don't disappear. < 1499463694 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could reconstruct a lot of state from IRC logs. I guess this is a disadvantage of `edit < 1499463704 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be someone else here has a more fresh thing. < 1499463728 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a clone at one point. < 1499463731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I deleted it. < 1499463748 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it comes back, I'll set up a periodic thing. < 1499463780 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log suggests the one I have in ~/tmp/hackego is from 2013, which was a little while ago. < 1499463798 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1499464240 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499465431 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499465585 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499465645 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so old it might even be pre-nitia < 1499465707 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499465756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it might have history older than HackEgo itself < 1499467224 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do befunge interpreters traditionally store code? as just a big 2D array of cells? < 1499467415 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What was the reason for nitia, anyway? < 1499467420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was the old history lost somehow? < 1499467426 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the interpreter, probably. < 1499467466 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Gregor had a habit of deleting history occasionally. < 1499467467 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :for small programs it's not bad but for large, sparse programs I imagine it'd get complicated. < 1499467481 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory overhead especially. < 1499467725 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers discussing multicursor quadtree zippers with elliott at one point, and thinks that may have been a fungespace discussion gone way awry < 1499467775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also discussed 2D zippers with elliott, I think. < 1499467783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't remember figuring out a good solution? < 1499467785 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, quadtrees are a possibility. < 1499467802 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should store data Z-ordered. < 1499467884 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hashtable might work too, perhaps with regions. < 1499468034 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1499468083 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499468520 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499468622 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, HackEgo's recent files aren't permanently wiped out, are they? It should be fine when or if the server goes back online < 1499468692 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1499468715 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if. < 1499468754 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if the Cloud At Cost people took the money and ran off to Bahamas, it may take quite a lot of time before anyone gets anything out of there. < 1499468770 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they even managed to give Megaupload customers their files yet? < 1499468771 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499468856 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I don't think they were making embezzlement-worthy money from the service though. < 1499468908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embezzlement is TG < 1499468919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the concept of "bezzle", money created through embezzlement. < 1499468970 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until you get arrested < 1499468985 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION floods shachaf with barass < 1499468996 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a blog post: "However, with Cloud at Cost randomly shutting down servers, randomly deleting servers, taking forever to answer tickets and a host of other problems, I highly doubt any of their customers have gotten anywhere near three years of use out of their products." < 1499469000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're a counterexample. < 1499469001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The discovery of embezzlement destroys money. < 1499469596 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :inode: i would use a dict with a (x,y) tuple as key. it's probably a bit slower, but saves memorye < 1499469624 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: pretty much what I was thinking. < 1499469659 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the option to unpack into an array. < 1499469690 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be interesting to make something like a roguelike where the code 'exists' in the same place as the game it powers. < 1499469719 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"befunge as a scripting language" is now a life goal. < 1499469800 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imode: Code in the same place as the game it powers sort of exists in Wreck It Ralph < 1499469819 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that could be an influence < 1499469837 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :snapmap has something "like" that, where you use the game world as a sort of canvas for triggers, etc. < 1499469887 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do some neat plot-related stuff with that idea < 1499469915 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest problem with that would be code re-use. if you were going to actually use the world as a befunge-like canvas, you'd have to figure out methods for procedures. < 1499469955 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack'n'Slash has a little bit of that sort of thing. < 1499469957 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ways of controlling objects. < 1499469986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was another one but I'm having trouble locating it.) < 1499470005 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you'd have to have an entire blank area for one object's code, with objects that you can interact with to move the "parent" in the cardinal directions and perform actions. < 1499470038 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttons, maybe? you could pull off a redstone-like system. < 1499470068 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at Hack'n'Slash now. < 1499470074 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Or if the entire source code for the game was the world itself. You could literally alter the fabric of the game's universe < 1499470082 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot more of a game than the thing you describe. < 1499470089 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: that's kind of what I'm thinking. < 1499470138 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna change how much health you have? warp to a certain point in the world, push a block and hit a button a certain number of times. < 1499470218 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to explore the main menu with your character? Go to the relevant section of the code and alter a slice. < 1499470243 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide whether the other game I'm thinking about actually existed, or if it was fictional, or if I just dreamed it. < 1499470254 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is making the programming model easy enough. < 1499470260 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack n slice does similar stuff, from what I just read, though < 1499470342 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be source code in a fungeoidal language as I have been imagining? < 1499470347 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1499470359 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :code exists in the same space as the actual game. < 1499470401 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be really cool, but so hard to edit without crashing everything unless it somehow was designed to be sufficiently easy < 1499470406 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you suggest < 1499470439 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you need something like entry points. or something. < 1499470454 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new language at bare minimum < 1499470467 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1499470489 0 :__kerbal___!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499470502 0 :__kerbal__!aeff8d8b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.255.141.139 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499470509 0 :__kerbal___!?@? NICK :__kerbal__ < 1499470544 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also Heart.Break(), but that's still not the game I was thinking of. < 1499470551 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was fictional. < 1499470569 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like programming games that are just "here's javascript, go nuts". < 1499470573 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like hackmud.. < 1499470573 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like this: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Funciton < 1499470586 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but higher level < 1499470603 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you mean barrass? < 1499470603 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something like a schematic? < 1499470604 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, you don't have to work with single char commands < 1499470608 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1499470613 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. < 1499470636 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, you get a version of befunge that uses all the Unicode chars or something ridiculous like that < 1499470658 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not ALL the Unicode chars but you get my point < 1499470668 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point you might as well do something like flow-based programming. < 1499470672 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or factorio-style stuff. < 1499470726 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have boxes as functions that served double duty as buildings... you could go inside < 1499470727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorio is TG < 1499470738 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or get teleported to the function definition < 1499470768 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of what I said the other day, when I first played Factorio I didn't know about the underground belts for a while. < 1499470778 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried to make everything planar. < 1499470781 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha. < 1499470781 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't know, ask muphry here < 1499470784 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wire crossing problem. :P < 1499470798 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: you could do something like excel! < 1499470840 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd be kinda weird. < 1499470853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you like sqrt(2)? < 1499470857 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that wouldn't be overly fun < 1499470887 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499470925 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to do something graphical... but that would resemble a flowchart, be potentially complex and slow, etc... < 1499470931 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What name do you think an object-oriented language should use for the object whose method is being invoked? < 1499470934 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like this? < 1499470957 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, won't this whole game not exactly be fast? < 1499470958 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499470974 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends, I suppose. < 1499471037 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, couldn't you win extremely quickly with just the right hacks? < 1499471047 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could take a more abstract approach and have some primitive objects that can move around and do some things in their general vicinity. < 1499471071 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you oculd form a "pipeline" by putting several carrier objects next to eachother and telling them to take the object from their left and put it on their right. < 1499471087 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or two "mailbox" objects that transport things from one point on the "map" to another. < 1499471105 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have compound objects that have their own "dimension" with controls exposed by sensory objects. < 1499471124 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wikipedia said Hack and Slash does that < 1499471151 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted a video last night that detailed an approach similar to what I just described... hm. < 1499471310 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1499471338 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of favored two dimensions, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkSXERxucPc < 1499471367 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae PRIVMSG #esoteric :2n^ < 1499471444 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, though, if you could structure space as kind of a "MUD", where you have locations that objects can move between, and you get a gaggle of objects in a room and wire them together. < 1499471548 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Programming languages I know will call it "this", although some use others. OAA just uses a plus sign to retrieve the "this" object reference. < 1499471622 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Python convention uses self < 1499471974 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan didn't appreciate my pun tdnh < 1499471982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Mr2001 would appreciate it but he isn't here. < 1499472773 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That pun was just wrong < 1499472845 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit contrived < 1499472907 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be missing some context. < 1499472986 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be < 1499472999 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1499473033 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 2 ~ you? < 1499473063 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the square root function equal a screw? < 1499473080 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did I completely misinterpret it? < 1499473089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1499473100 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I completely misinterpreted it < 1499473103 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my badf < 1499473104 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1499473108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind the sqrt(2) thing. < 1499473116 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1499473175 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't my call anyway < 1499473217 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just be going now < 1499473221 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499474079 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember in some speedruns of SMB2 there's a glitch area, in which mario has to navigate through memory without hitting blocks, then smash the one that brings him to the credits < 1499474218 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqjZCELEg5M < 1499474348 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that one, wait < 1499474402 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript people sometimes use "self" when they have to stick "this" into a variable for reasons. < 1499475253 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: yeah, those glitched runs are fun to watch. Metroid 2, Fusion, Zero Mission and Super Metroid even have some of the same techniques. < 1499475299 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you were ever going to design a game where the code exists in the same space as your simulation, you have to be sort of space-agnostic, meaning you can't favor any particular arrangement of objects. < 1499475327 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the techniques in the 2D metroid games are mostly only superficially similar < 1499475592 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to find the specific run that does the out-of-bounds thing < 1499475687 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx85PyLFwUk < 1499475695 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 5 minutes in. < 1499475706 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're walking around in memory regions. < 1499475847 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, you're always doing *that*, it's just not the memory regions you're intended to be walking around in. < 1499475856 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. :P < 1499475860 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499476016 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re game where the game world represents game rules: (1) I have a vague hunch that one of the tasks in ICFP 2006 was like that, (2) it can sort of happen in games liek game boy super mario land 2 where you go out of bounds and end up in a glitched place where the game is reading the ROM as a game map, < 1499476032 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although you can't change ROM values, you can change variables in the RAM that way with surprising effects, < 1499476044 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick to what I'm thinking of is having areas that the user is _intended_ to be there in one form or another. < 1499476087 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) imode has hit the nail with Excel, because Excel 3 macros might be the best example for something like this, since macros are represented in macro worksheets with one rule per cell, and those worksheets are very similar to ordinary worksheets < 1499476132 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except cells in them don't get their values automatically recomputed all the time, instead their values are only computed when macro execution steps there, and so editing the formulas works the same way in a macro worksheet as in an ordinary one. < 1499476427 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess editing the config file of your text editor with the same text editor is also sort of like that. < 1499476438 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1499476464 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you have to consider what the space of your game can be. limiting things to 2 dimensions is a little.. eeh. < 1499476488 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said yesterday, excel is 3 dimensional. < 1499476498 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 was just an example. < 1499476555 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do a hunt the wumpus/trade wars kind of a thing where objects occupy abstract spaces like rooms. < 1499476585 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunt the wumpus is 2 dimensional < 1499476586 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fetch a character from the keyboard" really takes on a whole new meaning then. :P < 1499476633 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunt the wumpus is based on a dodecahedron, not necessarily two dimensional. < 1499476646 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could reduce it to a planar graph, yeah. < 1499476651 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I guess hunt the wumpus has holes you can fall into and die, so you could sort of count that as a third dimension < 1499476675 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the "space" you play in is inherently a graph. < 1499476688 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a uniform grid. < 1499476691 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bats that carry you to different rooms too < 1499477292 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played (a version of) hunt the wumpus on a complete graph before < 1499477519 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: with how many rooms, pits, and bats? < 1499477525 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1499477546 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh n rooms, I don't remember the exact details, let me grab them < 1499477783 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12532&lang=en < 1499477792 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :not complete graphs, I realize that wouldn't make much sense < 1499477871 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoolootwo: thanks < 1499479645 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499481157 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499481732 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499481939 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499482009 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499482063 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499484918 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499485401 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:40a9:5662:9c0f:6797 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499486020 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:40a9:5662:9c0f:6797 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499486853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does the backup wiki link need to stay in the topic? < 1499487821 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499488136 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499488203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: wireworld is tg < 1499488213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't look at it in much detail before. < 1499489139 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:7531:cbe3:ca7c:e9a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499489144 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :tg? < 1499489150 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too good < 1499489179 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :too good? :P < 1499489218 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1499489221 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "good". < 1499489235 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you mean by "too good". too good for what. < 1499489252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that I like it. < 1499489255 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499489261 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1499489264 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1499490294 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Wireworld is a great CA. < 1499492878 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1499492888 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouioui < 1499499237 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499499319 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:7531:cbe3:ca7c:e9a2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499501265 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499501716 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499504620 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, google, why'd you put "shopping" where the image search used to be? That's evil, I say, evil. < 1499504664 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499504923 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d5152d058.static.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499505330 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d5152d058.static.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499506260 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, since 2008 we actually have speed of light communication in GoL ( http://www.gabrielnivasch.org/fun/life/lightspeed-signals ). < 1499506449 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499506497 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1499506618 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still no lightspeed wire based communication < 1499506641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wire? < 1499506673 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Lightspeed_wire < 1499506791 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL programming reminds me of how I felt when I first joined this channel < 1499506841 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :People doing impossible things that I barely understand < 1499506846 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing < 1499506906 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was that? < 1499506937 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :...2010 or 2011 I think? < 1499507383 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be pretty bummed out if we lose fshg < 1499507388 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they say. < 1499507656 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fshg < 1499507666 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no HackEgo < 1499507688 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fshg is the HackEgo filesystem < 1499507693 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see! < 1499507695 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1499507708 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would we lose it? < 1499507722 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than HackEgo seems to have gotten lost < 1499507723 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the server that was hosting HackEgo has disappeared. < 1499507798 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You should invent a good build system. < 1499507889 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been learning abut nix at work, it seems pretty all right < 1499507909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1499507919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually do the work of the build system proper, I think. < 1499507935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just uses Cabal or Cargo or whatever. Right? < 1499507945 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should learn about bazel twh < 1499507992 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that might be the case < 1499508002 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't bazel a city in Germany or Switzerland < 1499508014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the Nix language is very complicated. < 1499508027 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't seem to be sufficiently declarative in the usual case. < 1499508042 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazel seems to be in Belgium. < 1499508069 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population (2003): 4,967 < 1499508081 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many more than 5000 users of Bazel_(software) < 1499508449 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel < 1499508500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, Basel. < 1499508903 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499508986 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499509031 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499510804 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499511732 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499512396 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499515684 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reddit comments imply that at least for some people, they can create new servers on CaC, it's just the old ones that are not working. < 1499515783 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You might have some luck at power-cycling off / on from the console thingie now. (Or not. Probably not. But there's some success stories.) < 1499515868 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Gregor < 1499515869 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Gregor is Sat Jul 8 07:11:09 < 1499515885 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not the most bestest time to expect a response. < 1499516485 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have a backup of the fshg repo as well? < 1499516523 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shachaf was worrying about that) < 1499516646 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, and no. < 1499516646 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do have one from 2013. < 1499516657 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shachaf knows this) < 1499516666 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I didn't. < 1499516682 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll set up something periodic if it comes back up, but the only thing that I had was for the wiki. < 1499516692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a lot of IRC logs I can try replaying. ;) < 1499516754 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy! < 1499517694 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc51.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499517763 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc51.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PART #esoteric : < 1499518848 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I've never understood: since the Games Done Quick schedule page has that JavaScript to convert all the dates and times to your local time zone, why can't it add a marker to show the current time, or dehighlight (lowlight?) the ones that are in the past, or something. < 1499519631 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499519881 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499519959 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499519990 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re HackEgo's state, replaying from the channel is not easy though, because sometimes I edit with multiple lines in private message then show the result here. < 1499520159 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, and there's also `fetch. < 1499520176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be interesting to try anyway, to see where it diverges and how badly it goes wrong. < 1499520176 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other nondeterminism < 1499520661 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499522126 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499522405 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ohgoqhzepabnhjys QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499522923 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499523148 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499523655 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-plujllldqdpdyxtz JOIN :#esoteric < 1499524714 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499525218 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499525387 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( For this magic trick you'll need: A piece of string, a deck of cards, an identical twin, and a shoe box. ) < 1499525863 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499526117 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499526428 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499526830 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499526838 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PART #esoteric : < 1499528350 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499529520 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's back. I didn't even realize. < 1499529537 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1499529546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1499529552 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow and steady wins the race. < 1499529575 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably means I can re-point DNS things at the real deal. < 1499529579 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1499529581 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the real thing? < 1499529581 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1499529583 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moth//Moths are the main ingredient of mothballs. < 1499529589 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1499529589 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil Comes to Fruition < 1499529590 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1499529591 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ not overcook. Seal and discard the meat \ with the chili powder and dust the lengthwise. \ \ Cover with fennel steak around the heat and beat in the cornstarch or water and soy sauce. \ Remove the broiler in a serving bowl. Stir together the olive oil, and \ salt together until mixture. Add the bread crumbs and heat well in a \ small bow < 1499529600 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, someone save it before it disappears again < 1499529635 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log -l 1 < 1499529636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 11076:58a63c67dd0c \ tag: tip \ user: HackBot \ date: Wed Jul 05 23:03:15 2017 +0000 \ summary: slwd `1//s,almost ,, < 1499529645 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do a clone of the repository. < 1499529654 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks < 1499530002 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also updated esolangs.org to point at the real thing, and thanks to the low TTL it should this time take only five minutes to propagate. < 1499530036 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint 1+4+3+3+3+4+4+1 < 1499530037 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 < 1499530448 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499530714 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499530859 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloned. Also added updating it to be part of the weekly esowiki backup. < 1499530877 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie TOPIC #esoteric :mermaid umpires | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1499530878 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499531012 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499531225 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499531454 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499535347 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hungary < 1499535348 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499535365 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le//rn hungary//Hungary is the country where everyone is vary hungry. < 1499535367 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hungary': Hungary is the country where everyone is vary hungry. < 1499535689 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: [RESOLVED] host_down (esolangs.org) < 1499535794 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the article about Amycus and in the part mentioninghow to make successor/predecessor of lists, I think the commas is supposed to be colons? < 1499535854 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, let me look up what you're talking about < 1499535972 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Amycus#Implementing < 1499535981 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you're probably right < 1499536117 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the rules are right < 1499536348 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52396&oldid=46671 5* 03B jonas 5* (+7) 10/* Implementing */ < 1499536375 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they are < 1499536519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Amycus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52397&oldid=52396 5* 03B jonas 5* (+0) 10/* Implementing */ < 1499536567 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: are you real or an identical twin? < 1499537418 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499537651 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was worried about the existence of a backup, not specifically a copy you have. < 1499537826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Integ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52398&oldid=52389 5* 03Kerbal 5* (-123) 10 < 1499537883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1080 < 1499537883 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1080: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1499537938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl < 1499537938 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/ < 1499538013 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: This is one reason editing in /msg is discouraged. < 1499538049 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499538168 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do sed in /msg, and then repeat the final thing with -i here. (I don't hold with these newfangled sleds and whatnot.) < 1499538202 0 :__kerbal___!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499538314 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499538341 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That would be a good feature for sled. < 1499538354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a preview mode. < 1499538438 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1499538439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1499538443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is back to normal < 1499538456 0 :__kerbal___!?@? NICK :__kerbal__ < 1499538903 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d5152d058.static.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499539435 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499539606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs HackEgo  < 1499539615 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1499539616 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1499539701 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499539781 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnake < 1499539781 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1499539875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botspank < 1499539875 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1499539911 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's see if we can get int-e to finally add channel-based levenshtein distances as he's threatened to) < 1499539913 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PART #esoteric : < 1499539919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1499539940 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I have found a simpler solution to the problem. < 1499539956 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1499540647 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499540704 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499541088 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1499541093 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you disabled it < 1499541225 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't do a thing besides demonstrating the fact that having lambdabot on this channel is entirely optional. < 1499541288 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499541585 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d5152d058.static.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499541783 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499541853 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499541938 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499541950 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:2dc8:4d2f:a603:2c8a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499542164 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499542181 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HackEgo and the esowiki are back < 1499542197 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1499542207 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware that there were problems but trusted that they'd be sorted out < 1499542214 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still on Cloud At Cost or has it migrated providers? < 1499542259 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still on CaC < 1499542924 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499543089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan didn't appreciate my pun tdnh <-- i'd have to find it first twh < 1499543191 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google this C++ < 1499543193 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geeksforgeeks.org/this-pointer-in-c/ < 1499543193 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: 'this' pointer in C++ - GeeksforGeeks < 1499543220 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this < 1499543221 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a word < 1499543245 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( this is me in C++ ) < 1499543300 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: C++ is TG < 1499543313 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote int-e C++ < 1499543313 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `quote' failed with: user error (parseRegex for Text.Regex.TDFA.String failed:"C++" (line 1, column 3): < 1499543313 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '+' < 1499543313 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting empty () or anchor ^ or $, an atom, "|" or end of input) < 1499543317 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote int-e C\+\+ < 1499543317 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e says: C++ does make a reasonably usable high-level assembler < 1499543355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is nothing like assembler. It produces ridiculously inefficient code without an optimizer. < 1499543364 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was generating deeply nested loops with templates at the time.) < 1499543368 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much recursive template expansion. < 1499543405 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So yes, I did effectively use it as a HLA, or perhaps HLC.) < 1499543406 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally finds shachaf's pun -----### < 1499543470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why C++ doesn't allow this to be null? < 1499543472 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just stay away from objects and virtual methods and it'll be fine... except that compile time may be slow, and if you're unlucky your code won't fit into the cache. < 1499543552 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so that compilers can optimize (this == NULL) checks away without violating the standard. < 1499543558 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499543564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's a good language for producing efficient code. < 1499543584 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which may be the result of inlining a function that has such a check, but is invoked with `this` as its argument) < 1499543589 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++17 is TG < 1499543611 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're overusing "tg", hth. < 1499543668 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Triple Threat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52399&oldid=52393 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+23) 10 < 1499543689 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :1? TG < 1499543694 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? TG < 1499543694 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not. < 1499543717 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellobden < 1499543726 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :shichaf < 1499543774 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like LevelDB? < 1499543802 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I'd ever heard of it before < 1499543804 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you trying to become zzo38? < 1499543838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what I do. < 1499543839 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it looks neat maybe < 1499543865 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using "you" in the zzo38 sense, certainly. < 1499544089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Does the backup wiki link need to stay in the topic? <-- i left it in because the DNS needs to propagate... < 1499544107 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*needed < 1499544148 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38 < 1499544149 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem. < 1499544154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1499544155 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. < 1499544166 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still getting wiki requests on the backup machine, even though I had a TTL of 5 minutes in the temporary entry. < 1499544209 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, at the moment it seems to be only "AhrefsBot/5.2". < 1499544244 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've configured to log the host name used to access it, maybe something already started crawling the address that formerly was in the topic. < 1499544317 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would they get that address though... < 1499544331 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channel logs, maybe. < 1499544385 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ahrefsbot" sounds like something that follows < ais523> then running repeatedly until you get the right sequence of random numbers < ais523> and just completely ignoring the input <-- some people live their entire lives this way, i reckon \ 1078) Even if the people who made that program is a murderer, the progra < 1499562863 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse < 1499562864 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`4 w < 1499562868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:phantom_hoover//Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. \ not found//not found? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ metar//metar is a service Taneb invented that allows nerds to talk about the weather. \ pietbot//Pietbot is the only thing that can defeat fungot. < 1499563270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a programming language that has string diagram syntax? < 1499564033 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. If there is not, you could try to make it up < 1499564123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like string diagrams? < 1499564367 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure < 1499564968 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499566691 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:10cd:66ab:5ea9:2104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499566895 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1499568158 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:10cd:66ab:5ea9:2104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499568416 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: BENDING CHICKEN < 1499569131 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The proc-do-notation in Haskell is kind of like that... sort of. < 1499570449 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499572761 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499573397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Is it? < 1499573409 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should figure that syntax out one day. < 1499573416 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of structure do you need for string diagrams, in general? < 1499574942 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499575521 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e55a:d643:23:5d83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499575536 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, just vaguely, in that it's sort of also a notation for maps in a symmetric monoidal category < 1499575547 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a weak 2-category < 1499577001 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499577217 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499577273 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499578091 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499578529 0 :martyrboy!sid167861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikuzkpyqgyaxmddp QUIT : < 1499580358 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499582288 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499584624 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e55a:d643:23:5d83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499589847 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499589927 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499593448 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc72.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499593526 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc72.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PART #esoteric : < 1499596744 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Megaman 5* 10New user account < 1499597161 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:7807:36fe:6eed:b59a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499597413 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:7807:36fe:6eed:b59a QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499597701 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball are you wise? < 1499597701 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1499597722 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball let's make that best out of three? < 1499597722 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1499597732 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, you had your chance, fungot. < 1499597734 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i should like to elucidate further, and the proposal takes holding companies into account it is in this respect, i want to thank mr beysen for his kind remarks about women's day, and when we have the question of co-determination. that was also mentioned by frau gebhardt that the cloning of humans. on the contrary, we need to have no bearing whatsoever on the subject, i regularly experience the deficiencies < 1499597741 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1499597741 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1499597913 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1499597913 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1499597933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"europarl" reads like newspeak to me. < 1499598366 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52402&oldid=52400 5* 03Megaman 5* (+178) 10 < 1499598380 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[072xNeg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52403 5* 03Megaman 5* (+829) 10Created page with "2xNeg is an esoteric programming language based on two types of negation. == Syntax == COMMAND : (NOPARCOMMAND|ONEPARCOMMAND|TWOPARCOMMAND) NOPARCOMMAND : ("v"|"{"|"..." < 1499599372 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if you were forced to listen to fungot for an hour, but you could choose the style, which one would you choose? ;-) < 1499599372 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord...?" asks someone in demi explained that ping? pong!' thing, but they tend to carry much more weight than technological ones. < 1499599412 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess europarl could be monotonic and soothing, in a way.) < 1499599449 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and amazingly fnord-free. < 1499600124 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may not have had fnords enabled. < 1499600166 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably also predates my use of variKN for model training. < 1499600496 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The corpus is officially called "Europarl", by the way, it's not my own abbreviation. http://www.statmt.org/europarl/ < 1499600898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I looked it up before making that comment. < 1499602377 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MMIX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52404&oldid=52095 5* 03B jonas 5* (+858) 10 < 1499602558 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1499602558 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1499602565 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1499602566 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :( i see no evidence./ fuegians were probably compelled by other conquering hordes to settle in domestic and wild cats. < 1499602965 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why did Charles Darwin use so many emoticons in his works? < 1499602967 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: geological observations on s. america."/ accompanying sketch, taken from different branches, may want specimens. but from long habit/ term :( unconscious selection, and were thus proved to be to many plants, which were attached to/ so-called fifteenth cervical vertebra occasionally becomes modified into a dorsal vertebra, and is sometimes constricted in parts. it seemed worth while to contradict single cases nor is it/ < 1499603050 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could :( be the darwin fnord? < 1499603142 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually the Darwin "of". < 1499603148 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And / is the Darwin "the". < 1499603802 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499606860 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499608046 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499608187 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499608824 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499609167 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499611745 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499613189 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1499615202 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499615213 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everyone < 1499615287 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any interpreters for ACRONYM? < 1499616320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499616358 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1499617049 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :juhello9870, hellørjan. < 1499617109 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like there aren't any. < 1499617214 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Щр < 1499617220 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Щр < 1499617221 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1499617228 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, < 1499617238 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to write one < 1499617861 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. < 1499617975 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1499617976 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 091520Z 24007KT 9999 FEW042CB SCT110 17/12 Q1004 RMK WIND 670FT 31004KT < 1499617996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible thunderstorm supposed to approach. < 1499618018 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1499618018 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 091520Z 11009KT 080V140 9999 -SHRA FEW008 FEW070CB SCT075 18/17 Q1016 BECMG NSW < 1499618035 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1499618043 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1499618043 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help metar < 1499618043 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 091500Z 24014KT 30SM FEW030 FEW120 SCT240 21/14 A2986 RMK CF1AC1CI2 CF TR SLP115 DENSITY ALT 900FT < 1499618043 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar < 1499618044 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look up METAR weather data for given airport. < 1499618056 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1499618056 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 091500Z 23008G15KT 25SM FEW028 FEW048 BKN092 BKN200 20/15 A2977 RMK CF1CU2AC3CI2 CF TR SLP083 DENSITY ALT 1100FT < 1499618094 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a word where you feel like you are slowly steamed alive at a low temperature? < 1499618103 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :humidity? < 1499618124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(humidliation?) < 1499618141 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels humidlified < 1499618188 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm humiquified < 1499618237 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mention of thunder and lightning, hmm < 1499618252 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm where was that site again < 1499618343 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your region definitely seems to have more than the trondheim area http://nb.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=10 < 1499618367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it seems they've added stupid localized urls) < 1499618496 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes... noise?! < 1499618521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't hear any. there's a setting unless they've changed it. < 1499618545 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a geigercounterlike noise. < 1499618555 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a forsinkelse? < 1499618584 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i actually hear no sound regardless of how i set it. < 1499618589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: delay < 1499618602 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute site otherwise < 1499618628 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it's doubly stupid and doesn't redirect you to your own language if someone links you? < 1499618655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the sound used to work previously. < 1499618714 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=10 <-- it's encoded in the host name < 1499618781 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it" being the language < 1499618788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was obvious. < 1499618807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i suppose you have to know that nb = norwegian bokmål) < 1499618807 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone help? < 1499618810 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It almost never hurts to clarify those things. < 1499618880 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-> and -< Push the row that the Targeter is in, in the current Layer right/left" It means that if i have a row like "1 0 3", and i use "->" row turns into "3 1 0" < 1499618883 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1499618938 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blogspot's localized urls at least have the decency to redirect automatically, although it still messes up visited link coloring if you've seen a different language version before. < 1499618968 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so i define those as singly stupid.) < 1499619174 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :juh9870: right. < 1499619222 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels some humidliation as well. < 1499619393 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :еыч < 1499619396 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsx < 1499619578 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian much? < 1499619923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :потрясающий < 1499620163 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp shocking < 1499620174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1499620506 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1499620506 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 091550Z AUTO 20007KT 140V250 9999 NCD 27/12 Q1011 NOSIG < 1499620576 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@boily Ukranian < 1499620576 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1499620597 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ukranian < 1499620685 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499620718 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499620779 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499620788 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1499620811 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :Guest18659 < 1499621591 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:7807:36fe:6eed:b59a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499622050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thunderstorm is disappointingly sunny. < 1499622088 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, ii have aanother question about ACRONYM < 1499622114 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iv i'm curently on second memory layer and execute { command i will be sent to first layer < 1499622155 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit if i'm currently on first layer and execute } command < 1499622167 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should programm ends, or it just sends me back to 0'th layer? < 1499622432 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499623119 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:7807:36fe:6eed:b59a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499623266 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "europarl" reads like newspeak to me. <-- parlez vous euro? < 1499623415 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, after two hours of work i made some commands works: > and <, ^ and v, -> and -<, { and } < 1499623731 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499623775 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1499623785 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made |^ and |v works < 1499623830 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i will make ~ works < 1499623860 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tommorow i will fight against loops < 1499623903 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tslil Clingman, DO YOU HEAR ME??? I WILL HUNT AND KILL YOU!!!! < 1499624119 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i done almost nothing < 1499624129 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it currently 245 lines < 1499624184 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :180 without including HTML code < 1499624349 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines don't matter. weightless code transcends space and memory. you will achieve unity when nothing will have ever been written. < 1499624376 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zen < 1499624378 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zen? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499624419 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hunts for some coffee < 1499624423 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is currently 245 lines, and 180 without including HTML code? < 1499624429 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable068.23-201-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: FAR CHICKEN < 1499624495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, how can it be called almost nothing? The number of lines of codes needed depend what program < 1499626163 0 :Guest18659!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1499626172 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Changing host < 1499626172 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1499626320 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar EGSC < 1499626322 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @metar EGSC < 1499626322 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGSC 091650Z 20006KT 9999 SCT051TCU 26/14 Q1009 < 1499626469 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1499626478 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made ~ command work < 1499626493 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1499626514 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm think about start working on loops < 1499626949 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also i found an error in the wiki < 1499626967 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second code for printing "T" is incorrect < 1499626972 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to table of commans < 1499627017 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of executing output command it executes input command < 1499627048 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:1fa:8dc6:c3dc:fe38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499628474 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499628495 0 :juh9870!bca6273b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.166.39.59 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499629369 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499630024 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499630055 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499630114 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499630543 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see any type safe way to create objects with native data in N-API? http://nodejs.org/dist/latest-v8.x/docs/api/n-api.html I wanted to have a function to get the finalizer callback of an object, which would help with that, but there isn't one, but do you see any other way that I may have missed? < 1499631115 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499631622 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to know your opinion, would you have thought of doing it a different way than being able to retrieve the finalizer callback? < 1499633174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52405 5* 03B jonas 5* (+14401) 10Created page with "'''MIX''' is a computer architecture created by Donald Knuth. Knuth is writing a grand monography ''The Art of Computer Programming'', and in older editions of that book, he..." < 1499633236 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MMIX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52406&oldid=52404 5* 03B jonas 5* (+16) 10 < 1499633325 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52407&oldid=13322 5* 03B jonas 5* (+84) 10 < 1499633337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52408&oldid=52378 5* 03B jonas 5* (+18) 10 < 1499633407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52409&oldid=52379 5* 03B jonas 5* (-14) 10 < 1499633470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is MIX the oldest computer instruction set? < 1499633495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It predates MMIX by 1000 years. < 1499633585 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I think it doesn't 1000 years, just the number is 1000 less < 1499633862 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But MMIX was standardized in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Nine. < 1499634043 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp roman < 1499634044 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ance:Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, < 1499634060 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp roman < 1499634061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman:mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function. He's also an artist in unconventional warfare. \ mroman_:mroman_ is probably mroman but you can never be sure. (NSFW) \ superduperinteressantesanderson < 1499634078 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 grwp roman < 1499634079 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/4:nce, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance. \ blsqbot:blsqbot is the owner of the bot 'mroman'. \ burlesque:Burlesque is only t < 1499634093 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 grwp 'roman ' < 1499634094 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:rsonnegelegenesdorfmitoderohnesahneistunsdabeiabsolutscheissegal:Superduperinteressantesandersonnegelegenesdorfmitoderohnesahneistunsdabeiabsolutscheissegal is where mroman lives. < 1499634119 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 grwp 'Roman ' < 1499634121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1: < 1499634126 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp 'Roman ' < 1499634127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1499634143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1499634272 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp lanfair < 1499634273 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch:Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is a village in Wales. < 1499634617 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; sed -i 's/./L/' llanfair* < 1499634618 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch//Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is a village in Wales. < 1499634628 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1499634637 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :misraed < 1499634915 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can currently only use the internet in the UK and abroad." < 1499634928 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "only" here is confusing me a little. < 1499635093 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can't use anything else < 1499635145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( probably excludes Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man ) < 1499635147 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work on the moon or Mars? < 1499635221 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a0d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499635250 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that Korean missile launch is becoming a bit of a mystery; why does US Pacific Command say they tracked the missile for 37 minutes when Russia says it flew for 13 minutes, 44 seconds? < 1499635276 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:1fa:8dc6:c3dc:fe38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499635307 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sources, http://allthingsnuclear.org/dwright/north-korea-appears-to-launch-missile-with-6700-km-range and https://www.rt.com/news/395791-north-korea-russia-un/ ) < 1499635309 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a0d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Is MIX the oldest computer instruction set?" => no, the sand thingy from ICFP predates it < 1499635369 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a0d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.13 QUIT :Client Quit < 1499635398 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, so in that case the number for the processor is the same as the year; that is not always the case though. < 1499635473 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499635568 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/5wmbxRh < 1499635604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499635837 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/VsafetmZ < 1499635908 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1499635929 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerboscript is awesome < 1499637239 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as numeric ICAO codes? < 1499637259 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For use when a numeric code is needed and the alphabetic code is not suitable) < 1499637446 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499637482 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you'd just take the alphabetic code and run it through a numeric encoding of the alphabet < 1499637611 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and one way could be base26, I suppose. Numeric ICAO codes can be invented if they do not already exist. < 1499637974 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52410&oldid=52405 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1781) 10 < 1499638803 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could also use the ITA2 alphabet to get 5 bits per letter. < 1499638830 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499638837 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is another way, and possibly in some cases it might be better < 1499639148 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:346c:f25b:d31d:a0f0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499639441 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499639988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07@14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52411 5* 03Gemdude46 5* (+1747) 10Created page with "@ is a golfing language created and maintained by [[User:Gemdude46]]. It is still in its very early stages. An interpreter, vague documentation and some examples are available..." < 1499640787 0 :asie!~asie@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee7:dae PART #esoteric : < 1499640794 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499640878 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499641516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499641574 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499642123 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499642286 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:4c99:529:e8e6:84ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499643151 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499643256 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499643338 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499644511 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499646028 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499646431 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499646874 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499646928 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499646955 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499647032 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499647067 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/s2Ga8rRY < 1499647454 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499647523 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499648489 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499651221 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499651617 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499653398 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in the process of making the interface to Swiss Ephemeris for use with JavaScript, by use of N-API. < 1499653755 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1499653876 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499654165 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499654215 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some thing it does not do because Swiss Ephemeris does not have, such as house positions (and sidereal time) relative to planets (and also moon and sun) other than the Earth, calculation of moons of other planets, rotation of other planets, etc < 1499654598 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I add these other thing that is missing? < 1499654787 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499655520 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:346c:f25b:d31d:a0f0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499656704 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:9510:cd8d:bf7:7b0e JOIN :#esoteric < 1499656826 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499658268 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499658281 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1499658333 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499659063 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:9510:cd8d:bf7:7b0e QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499660014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.meta-synthesis.com/webbook/35_pt/look_around_you.jpg < 1499660023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look Aroud You's periodic table < 1499660027 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too good. < 1499660036 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tg < 1499660039 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-gudium < 1499661506 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499661988 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499662173 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :segnomin (thomason's oil) < 1499662182 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha fAu < 1499662209 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ty - thankium < 1499662610 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/nneEPW2g < 1499662675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should annotate your KSP links. < 1499662892 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499662940 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499663221 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: annote how? < 1499663263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indicate that people who don't care about KSP don't need to click on them. < 1499663383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just indicating that it is KSP should be good enough, I suppose < 1499663401 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499663452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I mean. < 1499663466 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499663697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1499664294 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:7d3c:26f0:360b:b5e2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499665831 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cangjie_input_method#Early_Cangjie_system for a long time < 1499665846 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and found a demo and library for DOS < 1499665867 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://p.mearie.org/gOHG.png it works surprisingly well, given its size (approx <500KB combined) < 1499666241 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499666460 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499666663 0 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499666688 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1499666879 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know some thing about astronomy, how can you figure the signed phase angle? There is a picture here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Phase_Angle_3.jpg but I will want the answer to be negative if the Earth is on the other side of the line (the angle will be the same though) < 1499667405 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, that picture is JPEG even though it can work better as PNG, if converted to pure black and white, and that stb_image is unable to load that JPEG file.) < 1499667590 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499668105 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499668243 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499669300 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499669401 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:7d3c:26f0:360b:b5e2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499669437 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499670040 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499670121 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1499670413 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499670921 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499671210 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I figured it out (maybe) < 1499671729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499671822 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499672929 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499673237 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499673386 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499673415 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499674131 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499674190 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499675416 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: The other thing then is the Cangjie encoding. For Chinese texts it seem like might be good to have < 1499675445 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was aware of it, but I didn't know about specifics (e.g. the exact encoding form, rendering strategy etc) < 1499675554 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499675993 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if my analysis is correct, the bulk of data is actually the ideographic decomposition map (down to individual strokes or semi-strokes); the resulting instructions are rendered by the "font routine" which is a vector-drawing machine with some size-constrained hinting mechanism (I presume) < 1499676090 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm unsure is whether the decomposition map itself can be directly visualized or not < 1499678875 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499680471 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499680721 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499681134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom IO < 1499681134 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: no, you're thinking imperatively. when thinking functionally, you just worry one element, and let recursion worry the rest < 1499681140 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom IO.a < 1499681140 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: And so, I use formal logic all the time, and can still be very practical and speedy. This is contrary to most people's conventional wisdom. This is because they have only seen very < 1499681140 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive formal logics, like if you have only seen assembly code, you think programming is undoable. < 1499681145 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom IO\sa < 1499681145 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. < 1499681148 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom IO.a < 1499681149 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: Obession with operational semantics is a fundamental disease of imperative programmers (including imperative OO ones). < 1499681155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom extract < 1499681155 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: How do I extract the IO out of IO String? < 1499681157 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1499681200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you have only seen assembly code, you think programming is undoable" < 1499681249 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's only true if your assembly code is for a reversible machine. < 1499681304 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a reversible machine? < 1499681680 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an enichma < 1499681758 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Kayak is closer to a serious answer < 1499681855 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing < 1499682153 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a language where programs built a group over concatenation? < 1499682395 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, burro wa sit < 1499685805 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: SoundHound has worked for me exactly once. < 1499685864 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how many times has it failed to work? < 1499685895 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i CompleteHound < 1499685907 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1499685926 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point was, have you tried it more than a handful of times? < 1499685935 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc7a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499685947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It showed me 20 searches in the history just now, but probably many of them were repeated attempts. < 1499685961 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc7a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PART #esoteric : < 1499685962 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I probably cleared the history and/or switched phones at least once. < 1499685962 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499685968 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: From googling, it seems to be similar to TrackID? < 1499685977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a dozen attempts? < 1499685986 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is some Sony thing that came preinstalled on my Sony phone < 1499686006 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to only handle mainstream music < 1499686007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always try it with music in my head, not music I hear. < 1499686017 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1499686025 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, humming the music? < 1499686028 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells you to hum, whistle, or sing. < 1499686044 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah trackid doesn't even pretend to be able to do that < 1499686065 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tricky thing, to be fair. < 1499686115 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499686116 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway trackid kind of works, in low noise conditions, and if the music is popular enough. Good luck identifying obscure folk/world music < 1499686160 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song it identified was "Song from a Secret Garden", which is part of an album called "Songs from a Secret Garden", by a band called "Secret Garden". < 1499686166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this one is a bit famous? < 1499686225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe it identified this one from listening to a recording, not humming. < 1499686228 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm not sure. < 1499686976 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "try whistling in tune" ) < 1499687032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "in tune"? < 1499687048 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean approximately the same frequencies as the original, or just the same ratios? < 1499687082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I transpose everything up by a semitone? How about 4.5 semitones? I assume any good system should handle that. < 1499687085 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it really means the former, and no I can't think of a good reason why the program wouldn't compensate for that. < 1499687101 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, when I want to use this program, I barely know the tune in the first place. < 1499687114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a small fragment of it in my head that I can barely grasp onto. < 1499687325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like kitsch? < 1499687537 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds as awful as the concept it embodies, does that make it onomatopoeia? < 1499687594 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked this talk: http://www.ludix.com/moriarty/apology.html < 1499687616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's by the same person as that talk in The Witness that you may or may not have heard. < 1499687654 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the long one? < 1499687723 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1499687769 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, http://www.ludix.com/moriarty/psalm46.html < 1499687791 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the one. < 1499687954 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I recall I spent that time cooking, in and out of the room (it's a small flat, I could listen from the kitchen in principle but of course there were distractions) < 1499687978 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you do with fresh diced tomatoes? < 1499688005 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruschetta. < 1499688007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I diced some tomatoes to make salad, but then it turned out the other vegetables I planned to use were rotten. < 1499688017 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I needed to make quick use of diced fresh tomatoes. < 1499688034 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: eat them? < 1499688041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As was? < 1499688050 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tomatoes that is, not the rotten food < 1499688058 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I ended up cooking them into a sort of sauce and jamming up rice with it.) < 1499688062 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499688073 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe oven baked tomatoes? < 1499688085 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some parmesan < 1499688115 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe. < 1499688151 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah tomatoes, parmesan and some herbs (preferably fresh, but tried probably works too) < 1499688184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when diced? < 1499688186 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe oregano? < 1499688189 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1499688195 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep it in mind. < 1499688203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you pronounce the h in herbs? < 1499688219 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I say kryddor in Swedish instead. < 1499688242 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't the h thing a dialect thing? < 1499688258 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably "erbs" in RP < 1499688267 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( herbe Enttäuschung ) < 1499688288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the h was pronounced in British English in general. < 1499688291 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure if I pronounce the h. Probably varies? < 1499688310 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :herbe dragons < 1499688310 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a Swedish point of view it would make more sense to pronounce it < 1499688327 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I'd pronounce it as well. < 1499688329 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dragon is the Swedish name for tarragon < 1499688356 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, it's "an herb" < 1499688368 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the h pronounced or not? < 1499688382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced like "erb" < 1499688387 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a good way to dice tomatoes? < 1499688403 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the most awkward kitchen activities. < 1499688409 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm going to settle for the compromise, and pronounce it slightly :P < 1499688420 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( freeze and saw... no I don't think that's actually a good way ) < 1499688425 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: plastic cutting board? < 1499688438 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :use less watery tomatoes? < 1499688446 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharp knife < 1499688450 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many sub-species < 1499688459 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sharp knifes are good < 1499688470 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you pronounce the k in knife? < 1499688475 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume no < 1499688484 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1499688498 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The trouble is that you need three axes of cutting. < 1499688499 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is weird with it's non-pronounced letters. Why not just spell it nife then? < 1499688508 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not nayf? < 1499688523 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silent e is properly bizarre. < 1499688528 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nif? < 1499688531 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny thing about knot theory is that it's knot theory. < 1499688534 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :naif? < 1499688547 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't agree with the y < 1499688564 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd read "nif" as with /i:/ < 1499688567 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a naïf would spell it that way < 1499688572 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn naïf < 1499688573 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "naïf". < 1499688575 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn naif < 1499688576 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "naif" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1499688576 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :naif < 1499688577 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: marked by or showing unaffected simplicity and lack of < 1499688577 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : guile or worldly experience; "a teenager's naive < 1499688577 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ignorance of life"; "the naive assumption that things can < 1499688578 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4 @more lines] < 1499688580 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1499688581 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1499688581 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `more' failed with: Prelude.init: empty list < 1499688589 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scambdabot < 1499688603 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a naive person is a naif? Didn't know that word < 1499688607 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's.... interesting < 1499688616 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1499688616 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `more' failed with: Prelude.init: empty list < 1499688630 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it has always done this < 1499688631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my mind, i is a vowel and y is a consonant < 1499688638 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1499688645 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "knife" has a consonant < 1499688650 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows off the maturity of Haskell as a programming language. < 1499688656 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, in English y is a consonant < 1499688679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :way nat < 1499688687 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is making me angry! < 1499688692 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay) < 1499688694 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :y is a vowel in Swedish though < 1499688696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1499688703 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @more thing? < 1499688717 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "angry" is a word where "y" is not a consonant. < 1499688727 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the @more thing doesn't really bother me. < 1499688736 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might fix it, but I feel no sense of urgency. < 1499688753 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure. ybden is probably angry. < 1499688763 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeyiuoåäö are vowels in Swedish < 1499688788 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, almost all the vowels are on the upper row of qwerty < 1499688796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like mushrooms in Sweden? < 1499688798 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English, all of them apart from a? < 1499688820 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: depends on what sort I guess? I prefer the edible ones that don't kill me :P < 1499688859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like kantarells? < 1499688872 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a popular mushroom. < 1499688891 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I don't actively go out looking for them. Too much work, and I'm bad at spotting them < 1499688926 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So *why* are the vowels predominately on the top row of qwerty? < 1499688946 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense to group vowels together if they're rarely combined. < 1499688981 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why not put them on the home row. < 1499689000 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wasn't qwerty designed for slow writing originally? To not break typewriters? < 1499689014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was designed to not break typewrites. < 1499689015 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1499689029 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aöä are the only vowels on the home row for me < 1499689033 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you don't want adjacent keys to be pressed immediately one after the other. < 1499689057 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But putting common letter combinations far apart actually speeds you up because you can use both hands. < 1499689063 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1499689082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether this is true but it makes more sense to me than "slows you down". < 1499689087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1499689090 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Mon Jul 10 04:18:07 2017 < 1499689092 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep. < 1499689093 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the adjacency relation is probably this: qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmik,ol.p;/['] < 1499689096 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1499689096 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Vorpal is Mon Jul 10 13:18:16 < 1499689100 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with your mushroom hunting. < 1499689101 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, CTCP TIME < 1499689111 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't go mushroom hunting < 1499689117 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it enoyable :P < 1499689123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll need an awful lot of luck. < 1499689137 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some morels will grow in your back yard? < 1499689143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like morels? < 1499689143 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rows are interleaved if I remember the workings of the mechanical typewriter that we got to play with as kids correctly) < 1499689147 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh? kind of vertically, right, makes some sense < 1499689169 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't have a backyard, I live in a apartment on the second floor < 1499689174 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, digits go in there as well I suppose < 1499689192 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a condo I guess the correct term is < 1499689203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Every statement you make suggests that you need *more* luck, not less. < 1499689208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wish you luck. < 1499689217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between a condo and an apartment? < 1499689219 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :P < 1499689226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a flat? < 1499689229 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the form of ownership? < 1499689231 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1499689249 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I own the apartment as opposed to rent it. < 1499689265 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you still pay some form of rent, right? < 1499689270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the shared building expenses? < 1499689273 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate says bostadsrätt -> condominium < 1499689289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a bizarre chemical element. < 1499689299 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, there is that < 1499689301 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1499689337 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but I can renovate and do whatever I like with the interior < 1499689337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I buy an apartment? < 1499689359 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell you that. You will have to decide based on your life situation if that makes sense for you or not < 1499689366 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it doesn't. < 1499689392 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the market is probably different in US than Sweden < 1499689421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in this area of the US. < 1499689427 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1499689452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the price/rent ratio is much higher here than elsewhere in the country. < 1499689457 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to buy some sour milk, almost out of it. < 1499689473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you wait for your regular milk to become sour? < 1499689508 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filmj%C3%B6lk ? < 1499689514 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: will likely not be the proper bacterial culture and thus will be poisonous < 1499689518 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes filmjölk < 1499689524 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-fil specifically < 1499689528 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SERRATED CHICKEN < 1499689549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's only most likely, not certain. < 1499689561 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can get some of the excitement of mushroom hunting. < 1499689567 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1499689568 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1499689592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pick some random mushroom, it might be poisonous or delicious. < 1499689594 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or both. < 1499689597 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1499689612 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or possibly hallucinogenic < 1499689731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may try your tomato trick. < 1499689746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1499689760 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep well < 1499689804 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about tomatoes is that there's an amazing amount of variance in quality. < 1499689891 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: especially home growns < 1499689902 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are better quality than shop bought ones < 1499689910 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better than organic ones < 1499689925 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is organic tomatoes? < 1499689942 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are vegetables labeled as "organic" a good idea to buy? < 1499689956 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: organic food is food produced without using pesticides < 1499689965 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does organic farming produce vegetables that are more delicious or more healthy? < 1499689972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? That doesn't sound right. < 1499689980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean without certain classes of pesticides? < 1499690007 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I meant what I said. < 1499690008 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_food < 1499690021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For instance, naturally occurring pesticides such as pyrethrin and rotenone are permitted, while synthetic fertilizers and pesticides are generally prohibited." < 1499690034 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not your article, that's Organic_farming < 1499690054 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah it is the same. Some plants produce pesticides in and of themselves < 1499690091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is organic farming sustainable? Does it waste resources? < 1499690101 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"organic" means so many different things. < 1499690103 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I read a study a while ago that showed that the levels of various toxins in the body decreased dramatically after eating only organic food for about a week. < 1499690124 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, when referring to animal products, it can mean the animals are treated better. Or sometimes not. < 1499690132 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 1) maybe 2) not really, depends on your definition < 1499690148 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the Swedish terms are more precise I feel like < 1499690152 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read that study. < 1499690159 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was a Swedish study I think < 1499690176 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I could find it, was maybe 1-2 years ago < 1499690178 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes get the impression that "organic" is primarily a marketing term designed to part rich people from their fAu. < 1499690195 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the Swedish version is better. < 1499690207 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, there are issues with pesticides killing off good insects as well. Like bees. < 1499690234 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is a standards organization with certification < 1499690240 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRAV < 1499690241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand I'm rich by some measures, so maybe I should buy organic food to be on the safe side. < 1499690264 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if US has anything like KRAV < 1499690276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a matter of price but a matter of principle. < 1499690293 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's way too late. < 1499690298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try to sleep. < 1499690303 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1499690394 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you will have to study the topic and make up your own mind about it. I buy exclusively organic food for any food where it is available. (I.e. there is no organic salt, probably because the definition wouldn't make any sense) < 1499690464 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Good organic cheese can be hard to find as well. Other than that, I would say Sweden is probably one of the countries in the world where it is easiest to find organic alternatives < 1499692846 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499692855 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1499692878 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Changing host < 1499692878 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1499693158 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ahaha, I just noticed on the look around you periodic table, Music has the numbers 4 4, while Jazz has 5 4 < 1499694556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499695232 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499697676 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499697747 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499697782 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499698506 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5876:18f1:58fb:7dc3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499698759 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5876:18f1:58fb:7dc3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499698869 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: funny that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Moriarty should call that video an Easter egg. < 1499699373 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499699437 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499700218 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499700977 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1499700992 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499701132 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:898:5233:6606:b873 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499701874 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:e96f:e3ec:a85b:e58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499703711 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5876:18f1:58fb:7dc3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499704640 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:5876:18f1:58fb:7dc3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499706870 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499706930 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc7a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499706957 0 :S1!~s1feha@ip4d16fc7a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PART #esoteric : < 1499707550 0 :lord_EarlGray!~slawek@host-46-175-44-254.wtvk.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499707659 0 :lord_EarlGray!~slawek@host-46-175-44-254.wtvk.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1499707729 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1499707833 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499708281 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499708781 0 :lord_EarlGray!~slawek@host-46-175-44-254.wtvk.pl PART #esoteric : < 1499709128 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499709299 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499709334 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499709337 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499709339 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1081 < 1499709340 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1081: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1499709345 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, apparently just two days after 1080 < 1499709424 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499709631 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499709746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I live in Berkeley, CA. I don't think it's very difficult to find things labeled "organic". < 1499709764 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499709792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Funny indeed. Did they listen to the talk? < 1499709825 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I trying to use LaTeX to print labels for the back of binders... < 1499709855 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ironically one bit that I did not listen to was where he says what the topic of the lecture is :-P (I skimmed the transcript) < 1499709866 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499709907 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The uniformity and the exact typesettings were my original goals. Plus cutting guides and such. But getting LaTeX to actually place something at exact coordinates on a page and then make it line up across all pages is painful < 1499710015 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499710024 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1499710025 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :russell's teapot//Russell's little Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show? < 1499710032 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1499710033 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :785) zzo38: i only like games whose names start with "mine" < 1499710046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`starwars < 1499710047 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scheme < 1499710047 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jocasta Nu < 1499710048 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tooth, Claw, and Tail < 1499710120 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499710173 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, unusual panel layout < 1499710173 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on some binders I want one or more lines of subtitles (like 2014-2017). This tends to move the title up compared to other binders. Such that the titles don't line up across the different binders < 1499710188 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499710234 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess LaTeX just isn't great for when you *do* want to worry about the layout. In that case you need to make your own style file I guess. Which is way over my LaTeX skills currently. < 1499710278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Don't standard healing spells work against the virus? < 1499710435 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499710459 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use Plain TeX (and have used it to make a label on the back of a binder once) < 1499710569 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that would need someone who can cast a level 3 cleric spell, and they'd probably have to do that for each creature on the airship at close to the same time. < 1499710605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there has been in-comic discussion of how that works already < 1499710619 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1499710624 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a spell bards have access to. < 1499710625 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499710639 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IIRC related to the control weather thing < 1499710643 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess curing disease is distinct from curing wounds. < 1499710654 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vampire in Durkon's body uses control weather directly against a thunderstorm sent by Thor < 1499710668 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, sure, a discussion saying that they could indeed use standard healing spells. < 1499710676 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Thor has to let it succeed due to an agreement among the gods to allow each others' clerics to intervene < 1499710680 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, it can be done by the specific level 3 Cure Disease spell, or the level 6 Heal spell. < 1499710683 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose they don't have convenient access to a cleric. < 1499710685 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so standard healing spells should work here on the same reasoning < 1499710717 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem is that #1081 says every creature on the airship is inflected. That's a lot of people and animals. < 1499710724 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/removeDisease.htm < 1499710733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, Belkar could cast it if given a Wisdom boost < 1499710737 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the odds of that happening are pretty low < 1499710761 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: TeX without addons? Hm < 1499710772 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the duration is long enough that it should be fixable after the current arc is over < 1499710785 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even in that unlikely case, Belkar could only cast it a few times < 1499710786 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or is Plain TeX a specific addon to TeX? < 1499710838 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have a much higher chance to pay multiple clerics next time they stay in a town. but they just left a town and then a meeting of clerics. < 1499710844 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Plain TeX is the default addon to TeX. < 1499710855 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499710891 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain TeX is the canon default template file in the sense that it's one of the templates Knuth himself has made and it's the one the TeXbook describes < 1499710892 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not boost Belkar's wisdom again? < 1499710897 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm googling for high level LaTeX solutions currently. There seem to be a few options. Not sure how well they will fit though. < 1499710955 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they solve my specific problem of lining specific types of lines up across multiple pages/labels. I already found a solution to putting multiple small pages on a single standard A4 < 1499711042 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are making labels rather than a book, you might also use a different output routine than the default one. < 1499711046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because (a) boosting his wisdom was a joke, it doesn't really work, (b) it's a level 3 spell, you'd have to boost his wisdom to at least 13, which is likely impossible as his base is probably too low and the standard wisdom boost spell only gives +4, < 1499711069 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: different style? < 1499711079 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or document class as it were < 1499711096 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I'm searching for at the moment < 1499711100 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) even if they did that, he'd get at most two uses of a level 3 spell per day, and the Cure Disease spell only fixes one person, and that person can be reinfected. < 1499711114 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ctan.org/pkg/labels and https://www.ctan.org/pkg/ticket both seems potentially relevant < 1499711185 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499711257 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) Owl's Wisdom can bring Belkar through the wisdom limit, but it doesn't count for the number of spells prepared, which I think will probably still be zero for Belkar because of his low base wisdom < 1499711293 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the spell is specified like this because regaining spells takes a rest of at least two hours, but Owl's Wisdom increases someone's wisdom only for a few minutes) < 1499711346 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) was my largest objection to the plan < 1499711351 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are pretty relevant too, though < 1499711357 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, I think (a) is caused by (d)) < 1499711371 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: DnD? < 1499711407 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it based on context. Or it is MtG knowing this channel < 1499711425 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, (a) is caused mostly by (d) and partly by (b) < 1499711456 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: D&D, related to what happens in the Order of the Stick strip #1081 < 1499711465 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499711479 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499711483 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tried to ask about M:tG rules too yesterday, but ais523 denied that he knew them < 1499711486 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I played a couple of systems, but never DnD itself. < 1499711502 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert on them < 1499711527 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the last time his wisdom score was raised it was used for casting a scroll. < 1499711544 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Savage World, Apocalypse World and a pretty good yet to be published Swedish system (I have a friend who is really into designing role playing systems) < 1499711590 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait wait, (a) can't be caused by (d). The joke use was for a scroll, the number of prepared spells doesn't matter for that, only a spell difficulty check does, right? < 1499711603 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it wasn't Apocalypse World, but Dungeon World iirc, same style of system, different theme though. < 1499711640 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not an expert at this) < 1499711650 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one thing that could work though is potions of Remove Disease. Those exist. < 1499711685 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we've recently seen that the OotS was lucky and found two or three cheap source of potions, besides the usual random drops and shops < 1499711858 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using potions is easy in general, even without a cleric the OotS would manage. < 1499711990 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499711991 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the ticket package for LaTeX will be able to do what I want. Maybe or maybe not crop marks in light gray though. It can do crop marks certainly < 1499712351 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Newton is overrated. His work on calculus was very much derivative. ) < 1499712874 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499713764 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499713799 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499715053 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did not mention different style, different document class, I said a different output routine. < 1499715176 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write also a program to rasterize DVI files into PBM format, which can then be converted by use of foo2zjs or whatever, into the format needed for the printer. < 1499715223 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What M:tG rules you try to ask about please? < 1499715310 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/17.07.07 use of linked abilities of a permanent when that permanent has got those abilities indirectly through either a copy effect or a quicksilver effect < 1499715328 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I asked you too a few months ago, when ais wasn't here < 1499715424 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, unfortunately. < 1499715427 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm primarily interested in a general rule, not rulings for specific cases. < 1499715448 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least a general rule when quicksilver effects aren't involved. < 1499716295 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that it can still remember, although it is entirely unclear. < 1499716442 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :607.5 is phrased unclearly. It does seem to claim at least that the ability on an object can't ever be linked with an ability on another object, so you can't eg. exile cards with one permanent and use them by activating the ability on another permanent. < 1499716470 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1499716504 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 607.1a seems to contradicts this. I think 607.1a tries to clarify how cards like Cho-Manno's Blessing or Ward Sliver work. < 1499716628 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the rules are entirely unclear. My opinion is that a precise mathematically elegant and logical framework should be described by the rules, in order to make these things clear, because as it is, some things aren't so clear. < 1499716667 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but developing and maintaining such a framework might not be economically worth for anyone < 1499716725 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be willing to help work on such thing < 1499717122 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have think better might be made by "AST graph linking", and the way I am thinking, they would still work, although in the case of Ward Sliver it is "instantiated parameterized keyword ability", although similar things can still be done with nonkeyword abilities too if needed. < 1499717207 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is all sort of stuff like that (and stuff somewhat similar, including stuff already exist but now I made up the name for it), such as "persistent property", "mana step", "kind", "initial text", etc. < 1499717255 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will you think of it? < 1499717483 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499717711 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In fact, even instants like Blessed Breath may count. There are even more of those than auras Cho-Manno's Blessing. (I have several of both of these categories in my collection. At one point I decided granting protection was cool and bought a lot of them.) < 1499717828 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I did write also a program to rasterize DVI files into PBM format, which can then be converted by use of foo2zjs or whatever, into the format needed for the printer. <-- not sure why that is relevant. The output routine would be like "pdftex" or "luatex"? < 1499717852 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean by that term < 1499717888 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: An output routine is something defined in the TeX file, by using the \output command. Once a page is completed, it calls that, which then adds headers and footers, and ships it out to the DVI file. < 1499718093 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permanents that grant protection or landwalk with a choosable parameter include: Cho-Manno's Blessing, Flickering Ward (costs W), Floating Shield, Pentarch Ward, Riders of Gavony, Runed Halo (strange one), Traveler's Cloak, Ward of Light, Ward Sliver. < 1499718113 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah < 1499718150 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the ticket LaTeX package seems to be usable for my needs. < 1499718158 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need to reinvent the wheel < 1499718188 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although you don't really need a custom output routine to get specific positions. You can just adjust various distance parameters. < 1499719093 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499719444 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrgh < 1499719469 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(1){ if(n == 0) break; n--; ... } < 1499719528 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just want to make sure that the loop is entered at least once < 1499719552 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but why < 1499719585 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is about more than just fill in the blanks < 1499719588 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm replacing it with while(n--!=0) < 1499719594 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its about freedom < 1499719709 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freedom to write three lines instead of 1? < 1499719830 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! real programmers aren't satisfied with the limiting abstractions < 1499720071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52412&oldid=23594 5* 03Zseri 5* (+134) 10/* Examples */ < 1499720170 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (1) { if(n == 0) break; n--; ... } and while (n--!=0) { ... } aren't the same thing if 'n' is used after the loop. < 1499720430 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a serious topic, ++, --, pop, and get seem similar because they use up a value off a sequence, are there common uses for ++,-- that don't fit into this? < 1499720449 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should at leas be while(--n!=0) < 1499720544 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's pretty different as well, since it won't run the body as n == 0. < 1499720591 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution for n--!=0 would be just to increment it after the loop < 1499720635 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of ++ in something that builds a histogram as in for (...) h[i]++; doesn't sound like "use up a value off a sequence" to me. < 1499720638 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there is more than one exit < 1499720691 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizze: I'll ignore all the cases where ++ is only used for its side effect < 1499720757 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's an esolang implementation somewhere using *++p = x; for something tape-related. < 1499720861 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that is quite different from using up a value. < 1499721259 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++*p++ < 1499721293 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the above is, amazingly, NOT undefined behaviour < 1499721309 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect sense to me < 1499721326 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it incements the value p points to and then increments p < 1499721359 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how is that not undefined... Where is the sequence point? < 1499721359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you write a loop that loops over both indices and elements of an array? < 1499721370 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do --*++*p++ < 1499721385 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An array has one more index than it has elements. < 1499721389 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: you may need some parentheses? < 1499721400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there is none needed, since p is only modified once < 1499721414 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the vlaue p points to is only modified once < 1499721423 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no sequnce point problem < 1499721444 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what makes it increment the pointed to value before the pointer though? < 1499721448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you write: for (i = 0; ; i++) { ...i...; if (i == len) break; ...a[i]...; } < 1499721485 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ++x returns the incremented vlaue. x++ returns the value, then increments it < 1499721497 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, true < 1499721514 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (increments it, then returns the original value) < 1499721515 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ++prefix have higher operator precedence than suffix++? < 1499721534 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they had the same precedence < 1499721556 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all suffixes attach more strongly than prefixes < 1499721571 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that explains it then < 1499721598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`*x++' <=> `*(x++)' < 1499721599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: *x++': not found < 1499721610 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not code that I write very often, (and if I ever saw that in a code review I would not accept it) < 1499721614 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499721644 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: anyway what doesthiswork suggested, could you do this multiple layers with something like int** p; ? < 1499721649 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like `*x[1]' <=> `*(x[1])' < 1499721659 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would you at that point need parentheses? < 1499721663 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499721676 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :--*++*p++ would work fine < 1499721685 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know this is valid C99? int foo(int x, int y[f(x)]) { ... } < 1499721712 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know this is valid C99? int foo(int n, int m, int a[n][m]) { ... } < 1499721716 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the function call in the [] is valid? what does it do? < 1499721721 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The value of n isn't used but the value of m is. < 1499721729 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it had to be a immediate constant < 1499721730 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's evaluated when the function is called. < 1499721735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, any expression. < 1499721751 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, C99 specifies the optional dynamic sized arrays feature. it's a controversial topic: some people love it, and some people hate it. < 1499721752 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, and then you get the result by using sizeof? neat! < 1499721761 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so... that becomes available to the sizeof operator inside the function then? < 1499721761 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally dislike C99 dynamic sized arrays. < 1499721803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used for multidimensiona array indexing. < 1499721814 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like dynamically sized stuff on the stack, but elsewhere I don't care. < 1499721814 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1499721837 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: is the ++*p++ thing valid C++ as well hm < 1499721843 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :should test that < 1499721853 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it would be, but you can't be sure < 1499721897 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ really did have *some* good ideas for how to improve C. Namespaces for example. Shame it had soooo many bad ideas. < 1499722185 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499722241 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1499722262 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also templates could have been neat, had they NOT been turing complete. I had to write specialized functions for different data types before in C, that could have been auto generated in C++ with templates. Such is the world of inner loops of embedded software < 1499722431 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :operator overloading was amistake < 1499722528 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the way operator overloading is used in the C++ standard library is a huuge mistake < 1499722550 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such strong opinions < 1499722562 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< and >> sould never have been used for io < 1499722603 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should be able to overload // and /* < 1499722619 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iostream is a massive, globally-reaching fuckup < 1499722706 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think operator overloading in C++ is fine in general. There are some minor problems connected to operator overloading, some of which are minor design mistakes (some of which could be fixed even now), some are overzelous operator overloading in certain third-party libraries. < 1499722761 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, string concatenation should never have been + < 1499722781 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it should have been * like in julia < 1499722844 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I particularly hate is how the C++ standard doesn't support C99 builtin complex floating point types, but only the old std::complex class template with operator overloading. < 1499722867 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point? All sane compilers want to support C99 builtin complex floats, so why not just allow them in C++ too? < 1499722898 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: that would be ok, but you know what would be better? < 1499722919 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gcc allows them fine, but it would be nice if certain details (like which macros are still defined in C++ when you load the header) should be standardized so that this could be used portably. < 1499722921 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: overloaded whitespace < 1499722938 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: exactly! < 1499722943 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah like snobol < 1499722953 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: you can overload the combination / * < 1499722955 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count? < 1499723010 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, personally I find the << >> iostream thing rather cute. < 1499723045 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c410:147b:575d:342d JOIN :#esoteric < 1499723048 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how awful formatting is, even with iomanip < 1499723111 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: void (*foo)(void) = ...; void (*bar)(void) = **********foo; < 1499723138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C++ should support arbitrary operators rather than just the built-in ones. < 1499723154 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolum < 1499723163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just talking about that the other day. < 1499723167 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1499723172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In another channel. < 1499723174 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious. < 1499723189 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it sort of does, but you have to use named functions for them and use ADL. Such ops use only slightly different rules than true punctuation operators. < 1499723211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean? < 1499723214 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't C a wonderful language < 1499723248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write my C code explicitly. < 1499723254 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( A great source of vulnerabilities ) < 1499723257 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem is that there are a few named functions (but not all) where the standard library and its standard specs is badly designed, so it's sometimes unclear how the user should specialize certain functions for which C++ provides a default impl but are often specialized. < 1499723259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So call every function by writing (&f)(...) instead of f(...) < 1499723295 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: should I expand on this? < 1499723347 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499723357 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? I don't think I follow. < 1499723483 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there are certain operations that function templates often want to call generically on multiple types. there are two kinds of these: (A) ones for which there can't really be a generic implementation and have to be defined individually for each type, and (B) one for which there is a default implementation but you want to specialize them for < 1499723483 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric : some types. < 1499723568 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A) include for example operator+(x,y) and operator<(x,y), but also some named functions like begin(x) and size(x) and abs(x) < 1499723668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, these are already handled easily in C++. You just define an overload for that function in an associated namespace, and then the rules of C++ will make everything work just fine. < 1499723688 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For operators, the rules are slightly different, and you can sometimes define them as member functions, but the basic idea is the same. < 1499723759 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++ stdlib defines operator+, operator<, size(x), abs(x) for several library types, and the latter two are also defined for some builtin types (arrays), the former two are essentially defined for some builtin types by the language (technically those are not true functions, but the difference hardly matters). < 1499723852 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category (B) is trickier. Named functions in these category include swap(x,y) and max(x,y). The library defines such generic templates for these that match most types, but you also want to specialize them for some types. < 1499723952 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that the proper way to call such a function is something like { using std::swap; swap(x,y); } or something like that, and that it's easy to call them wrong in which case you may get the generic implementation instead of the specialized one or get an error. < 1499723976 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a lot of confusion about how users should properly define specializations for these outside the stdlib. < 1499724031 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the stdlib could have done is to define two functions: one that users overload, and one that they call, and the one you call does the proper magic. That way there would be less confusion. < 1499724124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499724158 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There operators under (B) like copy constructors and move constructors and copy assignment and move assignment and destructor and operator,(x,y). These don't have a generic stdlib impl, but the language often auto-generates them for your type, and in that case there's no problem because the language rules are done well.) < 1499724237 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499724636 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499724849 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499725793 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499725935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :imperial marmots | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf | For bot testing, use #esoteric-blah < 1499726870 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499727197 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499727571 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499727661 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499727665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:subtle//The 'b' sound is pronounced in 'subtle', it's just difficult to hear. \ 2600//2600 Hz is a tone made by Captain Crunch's whistle. \ yeeeeesh//See yeeeesh. \ ssss//SSSS refers to the Stand Still, Stay Silent webcomic. \ structsubural type//Something Bike is into. Not to be confused with suburban destruction. < 1499727692 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget yeeeeesh < 1499727695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1499727736 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499728134 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forget what?" is still funny < 1499728166 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A question < 1499728192 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about converting https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVBYW2CSDgvspkCl0nYTy-FQPUwozYdkX2H-cZGwALo/edit to wikitext as mentioned at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Getchl < 1499728206 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to obtain the permission of the creator? < 1499728219 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to complete the article < 1499728270 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499728281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. i suspect yeeeeesh filled a much needed gap. < 1499728295 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp yeee < 1499728296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeeesh:See yeeeeeesh. \ yeeeeeesh:See yeeeeesh. \ yeeeesh:See yeeesh. < 1499728465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; /bin/ls | grep -P '^ye+sh$' < 1499728467 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeeeesh \ yeeeeeeeesh \ yeeeeeeesh \ yeeeeeesh \ yeeeesh \ yeeesh < 1499728488 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg yeeeeesh < 1499728496 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11079:2017-07-10 forget yeeeeesh \ 6200:2015-11-10 le/rn yeeeeesh/See yeeeesh. < 1499728514 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg yeeeeeeeeesh < 1499728521 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10346:2017-03-04 forget yeeeeeeeeesh \ 6228:2015-11-19 le/rn yeeeeeeeeesh/See yeeeeeeeesh. < 1499728540 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1499728543 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. < 1499728545 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1499728546 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1499728547 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: hm you _might_ say the "will later be converted to wikitext" gives implicit permission... < 1499728549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1499728557 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not have them in fibonacci sequence? < 1499728559 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to the much needed gap < 1499728570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: however, hppavilion[1] is right here, so just ask. < 1499728587 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he might be a little bit idle. < 1499728598 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles hppavilion[1] < 1499728606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was filled again < 1499728622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, am I the creator? < 1499728636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah < 1499728643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was confused for a moment < 1499728648 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Yeah, go ahead. < 1499728858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fortunately there's still a gap left. < 1499728874 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499728878 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:wisdomme//wisdomme is a PDF that may be in the topic. boily is the one who compiles it. See `? wisdom.pdf \ nit//Nits are there to be picked. \ kinder surprise//Kinder Surprise is an addictive drug marketed for children so dangerous it's banned at the federal level. \ lie bracket//Politicians try to stay within the lie bracket: Not so many lies < 1499728888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499728889 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: that voters cannot stand it, but not so few that they think you have nothing to give them. \ tachyon//The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up. < 1499729206 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@50.118.215.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499729334 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1499729345 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@50.118.215.100 PART #esoteric : < 1499729409 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wissub < 1499729410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wissub? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499730011 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Do you have any documents about WalrusOS? < 1499730066 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorcah. wissub? < 1499730353 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are the tape and the accumulator separate? < 1499730508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: I don't think I have documents about WalrusOS < 1499730539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: And the accumulator is distinct, yes < 1499730549 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I just wanted to be sure < 1499730607 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FIDGET CHICKEN < 1499730979 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the tape infinite in both directions or only one? < 1499731036 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I'm hoping the dev server isn't literally on fire < 1499731267 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Both, I believe. It was a while ago that I wrote this. I can barely understand my own prose. < 1499731271 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn PERL < 1499731445 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... how does that work, exactly? Is it a quantum thing? < 1499731499 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499731513 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: but maybe if it _were_ on fire, you might finally get rid of the build system! < 1499731735 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally everything is broken < 1499731786 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :email, ssh, and even hipchat are all fucking dead < 1499732017 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499732045 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a Cloud At Cost server to me. < 1499732147 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has california just been annihilated by nuclear attack? < 1499732153 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why do you keep bugging \oren\ about the build system < 1499732370 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying to raise his hopes hth < 1499732411 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i thought you were the one previously doing that. < 1499732422 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's not necessary anymore tdh < 1499732449 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accidentally saw a photograph of \oren\ the other day < 1499732459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it shocking? < 1499732461 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :photographs are scow < 1499732467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was mildly shocking < 1499732483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i think not, unless shachaf is a ghost < 1499732489 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen? < 1499732515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to remember whether it was SoundHound that he worked at. < 1499732523 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1499732527 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have experience using both the Waterfall methodology and Agile/XP methodologies." < 1499732534 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many methodologies < 1499732579 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... i mean "waterfall" is just a stupid name for a normal long-cycle development process < 1499732596 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "waterfall" a straw man that people use to sell scrum < 1499732604 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1499732612 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1499732616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:00 I read some passwords from https://www.isi.edu/natural-language/people/poem/poem.php and now I can't stop thinking in iambic tetrameter. < 1499732631 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hydrological cycle methodology < 1499732634 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time I update linkedin I shoudl delete that line < 1499732655 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to keep working at this company? < 1499732675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't even get my humming right. < 1499732705 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming working conditions remain ok, and they keep paying me, why not? < 1499732733 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the servers are on fire, and you hate your build system. < 1499732748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not work at a company that pays you twice as much? < 1499732758 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( someone should invent the scram methodology ) < 1499732786 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, they're back online! < 1499732795 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://68.media.tumblr.com/74d95a31741535ce4661efb0c710d8ac/tumblr_inline_mhyiwy6aAE1qz4rgp.png < 1499732798 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder hwy everything broke suddenly < 1499732832 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499732841 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've had offers but they all involved moving to the usa < 1499732851 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well... fuck that < 1499732859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you like the USA? < 1499732892 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangerous < 1499732941 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I did the iambic tetrameter thing in here before. < 1499732944 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least somewhere in IRC. < 1499732971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm i remember that from last you told me about those, i think. (but not what they were called.) < 1499733000 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/16.06.07 < 1499733005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:39:20 oerjan: placenta-based homology? / i owe you an apology < 1499733012 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right. < 1499733050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not the tetrameters, the scrams < 1499733057 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usa is a dangerous place, a lot of the places require owning (and learning to drive) a car, and I like my free healthcare < 1499733064 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1499733076 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They're called knids in English, apparently. < 1499733083 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read the book in English, I don't think. < 1499733107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Well, you can move somewhere that doesn't require a car. < 1499733147 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much are you willing to pay for free healthcare? < 1499733242 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... free < 1499733294 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were saying you had offers to be paid twice as much to move to the USA. < 1499733356 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the iambic tetrameter I was thinking of may have been Kubla Khan. < 1499733361 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499733802 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah... i mean "waterfall" is just a stupid name for a normal long-cycle development process" => wait, I thought "waterfall" was management-speak for "we don't know what the program we want to create has to do, but just create 90% of it anyway without a spec, then near the end we'll tell what it should have done and you'll just change it to do tha < 1499733802 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t instead in a week." < 1499733930 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1499733976 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I know little about all this methodology andpattern thing. < 1499734018 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a software team with buzzword-oriented development though, you could ask them. < 1499734340 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're competent, mind you, but they have all these complicated procedures and meetings and task tracking docs. < 1499734606 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :restarting my browser when i have 3 youtube tabs open is somewhat noisy. < 1499734677 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man who seldom speaks his mind / can cause behavior undefined < 1499734681 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Getchl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52413&oldid=45294 5* 03Kerbal 5* (+8849) 10Added the info from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IVBYW2CSDgvspkCl0nYTy-FQPUwozYdkX2H-cZGwALo/edit?usp=sharing < 1499734715 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Here you go < 1499734725 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not perfect, but a start < 1499734725 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Yay < 1499735512 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499736263 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea... what if the only storage in a program was the title thing that displays above a program window in Windows? Or some other bizarre component normally used for something else? < 1499736295 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be a weird language < 1499736778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: Huh, perhaps. But it sounds more like a hack than an inherently-weird feature < 1499736793 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True... < 1499736820 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've a point < 1499737378 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still am thinking about building a framework for executing multiple tape-based languages on the same tape. That could be a useful, very esoteric way to leverage the benefits of multiple languages. You could download and share images between programs by combining Graphical BF and Netf***, and implement threading with Weave or a similar language. < 1499737406 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that all the languages I mentioned are BF variants, but you could use others as well, like my esolang < 1499737717 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have a readable, simple language (I'm calling it TapeLang right now) holding everything together. Perhaps (although this may or may not actually happen) the language would treat other programs as first-class citizens < 1499738460 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499738769 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499738803 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499738934 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499738946 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499739185 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499739421 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1499739576 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499739856 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1499741212 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499741375 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499741502 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:f1b0:a135:5840:9420 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499741592 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499742062 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499742066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:lystrosaur//The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic. \ jerk//Jerk is the integral of snap. \ mousse//A mousse is a sharp rodent. "A mousse once bit my sister." \ monqy//monqy is no longer extant. He lives in concept, hidden, unfindable. You could ask itidus21 for details, < 1499742068 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499742069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: if you find him. \ code//[11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,1555466973690094680980000956080767,13720946704494913791885940266665466978579582015128512190078... < 1499742075 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits code < 1499742081 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsweẗt int-̈e < 1499742109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg code < 1499742115 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5674:2015-06-24 echo \'[11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,1555466973690094680980000956080767,13720946704494913791885940266665466978579582015128512190078...\' > wisdom/code \ 5658: < 1499742120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 dowg code < 1499742127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:658:2015-06-23 le/rn code/5 9 51 8 0 1 2 1 1 3 4 2 1 4 7 5 8 57 2 5 3 2 2 4 7 6 3 6 1 < 1499742152 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, Warrigal: what's all this then? < 1499742728 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499743418 0 :wob_jonas!b03f19a2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.162 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499743673 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499743874 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1499744084 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499744637 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:f1b0:a135:5840:9420 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499747202 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499747366 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499748174 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:c88a:2656:e90f:5f4b JOIN :#esoteric < 1499749802 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499749838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499749907 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499750323 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:c88a:2656:e90f:5f4b QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499751349 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:fd76:fb2d:48e:65df JOIN :#esoteric < 1499751417 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XRF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52414&oldid=41670 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+2) 10Fix link < 1499751460 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52415&oldid=45218 5* 03Scoppini 5* (+2) 10Fix link < 1499751745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think what I need is to write a preprocessor for kerboscript programs. I will write said preprocessor itself in kerboscript. < 1499752077 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499753381 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499756071 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499756362 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:fd76:fb2d:48e:65df QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499756619 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1499757959 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:f0cf:c100:de10:89d8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499758270 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499758972 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1499758981 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:f0cf:c100:de10:89d8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499759744 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499759932 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1499759933 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is out of date tdnh < 1499760030 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mine was contextual; Randomly generated error message: 13:37:54: `run echo $ 5 9 51 8 0 1 2 1 1 3 4 2 1 4 7 5 8 57 2 5 3 2 2 4 7 6 3 6 1 < 1499760068 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 15:09:28: data darn, preceding the complete path < 1499760104 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499760208 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is blowin' in the wind. < 1499760210 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is blowin' in the wind. < 1499760643 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password < 1499760649 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11081:2017-07-11 learn The password of the month is blowin\' in the wind. \ 10981:2017-06-02 revert \ 10980:2017-06-02 revert \ 10979:2017-06-02 learn The password of the month is out of date tdnh \ 10898:2017-05-14 le/rn password//The password of the month is poochpoochpoochpoochpooch \ 10595: < 1499760730 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499762542 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499763131 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499764120 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499765383 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1499765874 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499769041 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499769540 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1499771162 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499771226 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499772270 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499772875 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499775703 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1499775792 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FLAVOUR CHICKEN < 1499776349 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c410:147b:575d:342d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499776405 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c410:147b:575d:342d JOIN :#esoteric < 1499781633 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499782561 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499783632 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499783633 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499784292 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499784688 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499785558 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499785799 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for some good spam so I can pretend to be a bot on a webforum < 1499785822 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know an abandoned forum that I can mine for material? < 1499785860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: https://esolangs.org/forum/ hth < 1499785892 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect, thank you < 1499785894 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spam isn't very fresh though, since it's also readonly. < 1499786113 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stale is fine, quantity is what I needed < 1499786115 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a forum? wow... < 1499786179 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wow, selling box sets of DVDs. How quaint. No Game of Thrones either. < 1499786245 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what a difference 6 years can make) < 1499787601 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- part: lord_EarlGray left #esoteric <-- i guess we weren't his cup of tea. < 1499787832 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were even a few non-spam posts in the forum. < 1499787834 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many though. < 1499788990 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host81-136-82-211.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499791091 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :word-addressible or byte-addressible? < 1499791110 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sible/sable < 1499791276 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499791334 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499791403 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1499791906 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499792088 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499793401 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499793762 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password < 1499793768 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11081:2017-07-11 learn The password of the month is blowin\' in the wind. \ 10981:2017-06-02 revert \ 10980:2017-06-02 revert \ 10979:2017-06-02 learn The password of the month is out of date tdnh \ 10898:2017-05-14 le/rn password//The password of the month is poochpoochpoochpoochpooch \ 10595: < 1499793838 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :deja vu. < 1499793888 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was. < 1499793903 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was surprised it had really been a month. < 1499793912 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? time flies < 1499793912 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time flies? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499793919 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzz! < 1499793926 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -i time flies < 1499793927 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: flies: No such file or directory \ ☾_:☾_ is moon_'s lawful twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. He sometimes eats papers. \ `4:`4 is equivalent to `5 , except that it only repeats 4 times. Useful when you've already run a command forgetting to use `5. \ `5:`5 is equivalent to repeating `` < 1499793937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -i 'time flies' < 1499793939 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1499793959 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow < 1499793960 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. < 1499793961 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( time flies are buzzing around the clock ) < 1499794133 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append arrow Time flies are attracted to them. < 1499794135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'arrow': Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. Time flies are attracted to them. < 1499794141 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1499794143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1499794144 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1499794175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1499794178 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1499794179 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1499794192 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hand < 1499794192 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got confused by the absence of "Relearned" < 1499794193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird. < 1499794268 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1499794582 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she says < 1499794813 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499795492 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1499795773 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. what if you have a machine that is byte-addressed but only reads whole words < 1499796351 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499796366 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1499796410 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what if I have a machine that is byte-addressed but only reads whole cache lines, except for memory regions marked specially to indicate that they are used for memory mapped IO? ) < 1499796542 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on Earth would anyone send an email with Reply-To == To ? < 1499796563 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's fun? < 1499796595 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It *was* an email that people might want to reply to. Maybe it's a way to fend off automatic replies like the notorious out of office emails.) < 1499797007 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499797007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just send it to Steve Morshead < 1499797112 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1499797129 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently they closed the account < 1499797145 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are closing, I see < 1499797335 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1499797919 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the notice was sent in June. So it may be gone, unless the public shaming had any effect. < 1499797947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you email and ask? < 1499797955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you get a reply. < 1499797959 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499797964 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:brevity//syn. "shortness" \ macedonia//Macedonia is a country of which the United Nations denies the existence, just like Taiwan is. \ bird//The Bird is Cruel! \ pastry//A pastry is a sugary confectionery that is customarily eaten after writing an essay. \ bdsm//BDSM definitely isn't a kind of LARP and Taneb definitely did not invent it. < 1499797993 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm done talking to shachaf. < 1499798005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1499798253 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits bird < 1499798259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachäf Phantom_Hoovër nortẗi Phantom_Hoovër < 1499798264 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg bird < 1499798271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10471:2017-03-21 learn The Bird is Cruel! \ 2180:2013-02-19 learn bird bird bird bird \ 2179:2013-02-19 learn bird is a dinosaur \ 2178:2013-02-19 learn bird bird bird bird < 1499798275 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget bird < 1499798276 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1499798281 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary < 1499798282 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up. < 1499798284 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bird! what's the matter with you? < 1499798297 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary < 1499798298 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: canary: Permission denied < 1499798321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when we figured out how to delete canary? < 1499798324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It broke everything. < 1499798328 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was great. < 1499798330 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember < 1499798338 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised this unreadable one doesn't do the same thing < 1499798343 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat canary < 1499798343 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File: ‘canary’ \ Size: 0 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 1024 regular empty file \ Device: 12h/18d Inode: 657446 Links: 1 \ Access: (0000/----------) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2017-05-15 14:57:34.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2017-04-17 19:17:05.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2017-05-15 15:23:19.0000000 < 1499798368 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499798457 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499798463 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:despair//Despair is but the first step towards eternal damnation. \ cofridge logic//Cofridge logic is the new HoTT stuff. \ c++//Along with C, C++ is a language for smart people. \ victoria//Queen Victoria is the most victorious queen the world has ever known, even having won at the not dying contest. \ identity function//The identity function < 1499798469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499798469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:is a mockingbird. < 1499798474 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits canary < 1499798480 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boil̈y oerjän FireFl̈y FireFl̈y < 1499798601 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary < 1499798602 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up. < 1499798618 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAVE CHICKEN < 1499800299 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499800809 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c410:147b:575d:342d QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1499802331 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( What's the current maximal size of Russell's teapot, say, at 99% confidence? ) < 1499802893 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499803527 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499804632 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host81-136-82-211.range81-136.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1499805127 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:74fb:f22a:a595:fac JOIN :#esoteric < 1499807512 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499808024 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499808205 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499808236 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1499808677 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499810351 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499810662 0 :betaveros!~betaveros@mint-square.mit.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499811554 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1499811618 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/factory.jpg ... screenshot from a video game (Broken Sword 5, an okay click & point adventure game, better than parts 3 and 4 so far) < 1499811912 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Well, it's iconic. < 1499811919 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played the one set in Paris. < 1499811932 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars – Director's Cut", I think.) < 1499812032 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499812585 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the one set in Paris" is kind of cute... I think they all have a part playing in Paris. < 1499812621 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know that. Well, that one anyway. < 1499812780 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1499813064 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the main issue with parts 3 and 4 is the awkward 3D interface... part 5 is back to 2D graphics with painted scenes, and more traditional puzzles (parts 3 and 4 feature some scenes where you need to evade guards, and some sokoban style puzzles... at the same time skimping on the more traditional interactions) < 1499813078 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ) < 1499813083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​)? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499813101 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn ) is the missing closing parenthesis, provided here for balance. ) < 1499813317 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499813445 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:74fb:f22a:a595:fac QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1499814038 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499814380 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499814539 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499814570 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499814631 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499814735 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1499814740 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:wisdomme//wisdomme is a PDF that may be in the topic. boily is the one who compiles it. See `? wisdom.pdf \ hðh//hðh is how hppavilion[n] decides to sæ 'hth' when e's beiŋ annoyiŋ. At least, in a subset of ðose times. \ sparkle//Sparkles are annoying visual artifacts that people try to use deliberately for decoration and artistic photogra < 1499814781 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499814782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:phs and drawings. \ html//HTML is short for "hope this mess loads". \ 21//21 is both half the answer and a cardgame. The latter is similiar to Bladder-Burst?. < 1499814815 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm often confused when I read about food on the internet. I don't know enough about food in general, and also it comes with a lot of specialized vocabulary separately in English and Hungarian where I don't know translations nor meanings of lots of words in either language. < 1499814832 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I started to make some notes: first about the type of cereals at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Types_of_cereal < 1499814837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next I should do the types of nuts/. < 1499815093 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas! < 1499815144 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily (oily like nuts.) < 1499815180 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooking is best done by ear; it has to sound right when doing it. < 1499815224 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and imperial units all the way. none of that gram and decilitre shenanigans. < 1499815248 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no way < 1499815256 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metric is useful for cooking < 1499815273 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperial is for fantasy stuff like dungeon corridor widths and minifig sizes < 1499815295 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weights of items in your inventory < 1499815333 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you measure foodstuff in metric, which is convenient because most of them are typically packaged in round amounts of metric units (kilograms or liters) < 1499815371 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some actually must be packaged in round amounts by law, some are just packaged that way by custom) < 1499815412 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tablespoons, cups, pounds and fahrenheit! < 1499815488 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could perhaps make an argument for teaspoons and tablespoons of spice or salt, yeah, the previous argument doesn't apply to them because you use only small amount at a time < 1499815498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why cups and pounds? < 1499815533 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cups are tremendously useful. quarter, third, half and one cup. it's the same measure for all your ingredients. < 1499815586 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pounds are just... anthropocentric? eg. ¼ lb for a meat patty. it's a nice number, easy to remember. < 1499815659 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499815747 0 :yabuti!~aufablje@136.ip-144-217-243.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499815747 0 :yabuti!~aufablje@136.ip-144-217-243.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499815772 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I don't think it helps more than kilograms < 1499815847 0 :yabuti!~zqxikh@136.ip-144-217-243.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499815847 0 :yabuti!~zqxikh@136.ip-144-217-243.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499816108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499816190 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499816191 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the decimal system helps me make mental calculations, as opposed to the strange conversion ratios like {mile, yard, food, inch, 1/16 inch, 1/1000 inch}, {pound, ounce, grains}, {gallon, pint, fl ounce}, and the confusing multiple similarly named units (there are like four kinds of ounces still commonly in use) < 1499816263 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it used to be even worse in the past, when they had a different measurement system in every region, but you can't blame people for that back when travel was difficult and technology less advanced. < 1499816289 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yob_jonas < 1499816300 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many units people use are backwards. < 1499816313 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, speed should be measured in time/distance instead of distance/time < 1499816327 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bandwidth should be measured in time/bytes rather than bytes/time < 1499816408 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not obvious which kind of "league" Jules Verne uses as measurement units in multiple of his books. Journey to the center of earth seems to use the 3898 meter long French league. < 1499816563 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bandwidth in information per time is reasonable imo because it's additive that way. the problem with bandwidth units is that people use too many units for information including bits, bytes, 512 byte blocks/sectors, kilobits, kilobytes, kibibits, kibibytes, megabits, megabytes, mebibytes, gigabits, gigabytes, gibibytes, terabytes. < 1499816581 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes it's not clear whether someone means bits or bytes, and whether they mean decimal or binary. < 1499816602 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pay X to get Y, you should be using the unit Y/X < 1499816625 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pay litres of petrol to get kilometres of distance, so you should use the unit litres/kilometre < 1499816659 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make the abbreviations more clear if people started using octets instead of bytes even in English. < 1499816708 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as for fuel usage, that varies by country, some countries like Hungary use liters per hundred kilometer, some use kilometers per ten liter or something like that (I'm not sure about the exponent of 10 there), some use miles per gallons. < 1499816744 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind the constant factor. I meant l/100km < 1499816748 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For prices, I've never seen the price in the divisor used for anything. < 1499816767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered saying "octet" above, but I said "byte" so that I'm ambiguous about the constant factor. < 1499816802 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, interesting. < 1499816820 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gallons per dollar? < 1499816830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you should use dollars per gallon. < 1499816837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: I'm fine with 8-bit only bytes, the problem is when on commercial labels "B" can stand for bits or bytes and you can't tell which. Some packagings even write "KG" for kilogram, which is terrible. < 1499816850 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because you pay gallons to get dollars? < 1499816861 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you pay dollars to get gallons. < 1499816867 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you should use $/gal < 1499816881 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly opposite to the rule you said. < 1499816885 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499816894 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you pay X to get Y, you should be using the unit Y/X." < 1499816898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is. < 1499816911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I spent such a long time thinking about it, too. Uselessly. < 1499816913 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is a gallon anyway? /me looks it up < 1499816916 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. < 1499816924 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK and US gallons are different, I think? < 1499816936 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which makes "mpg" even worse.) < 1499816951 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it's one of those multiple versions of units tied to "ounces" < 1499816961 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The convenient thing is that l/gal and NIS/USD are pretty close. < 1499816974 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can compare .il and .us petrol prices directly, depending on the exchange rate. < 1499816978 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? what's a NIS? < 1499816983 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Israeli currency. < 1499816986 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Israeli shekel, right < 1499816994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's see. < 1499817019 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to read up on this when renting a car and trying to guesstimate how often I'd need to fill it up. People just post unqualified "mpg" numbers. < 1499817029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gal/mile means you pay gallons to get miles < 1499817039 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you pay X to get Y, you should be using the unit X/Y < 1499817048 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is waht I originally wanted to write. < 1499817052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh N is for new < 1499817059 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it still new?) < 1499817073 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I should say ILS instead of NIS < 1499817084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never remember which one to use. < 1499817094 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also known as simply the Israeli shekel and formerly known as the New Israeli Sheqel (NIS)," < 1499817104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not new anymore. < 1499817113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been in use since before I was born. < 1499817185 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499817213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1499817226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use $/gal because you pay $ to get gal < 1499817242 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use gal/mile because you pay gal to get mile < 1499817254 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even multiply them together to figure out $/mile < 1499817262 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ILS is the ISO style international abbrev, similar to USD, CAD, GBP, EUR, HUF, etc. NIS is conventional domestic abbrev, similar to US$, CA$, £, €, Ft, which you use locally. < 1499817288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1499817325 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when commerce gets international and people ordering stuff on Ebay in various foreign currencies, it's better to use the former < 1499817399 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the trick is that the three-letter currency codes usually start with the two-letter ISO country code (except EUR), which in turn usually agrees with top-level domain names (except .uk) < 1499817421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you say NIS is conventional domestic abbrev? < 1499817441 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have used DEE for the euro < 1499817542 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was only in the past couple of years that I realized why the symbol ₪ is used for NIS. < 1499817554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it used? < 1499817576 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ₪ < 1499817577 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+20AA NEW SHEQEL SIGN] < 1499817585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the acronym ש"ח < 1499817610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular the ח put inside the ש < 1499817691 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that symbol printed on shekel banknotes? < 1499817761 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1499817770 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why there are custom symbols for so many currencies by the way. Why not use just some letter combo abbreviation like for other things? < 1499817813 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499818083 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499818101 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:f93b:9c0b:277a:5fb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499818179 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess a few other measurement units use custom symbols too: the degree symbol is used for various units called degrees, and the prime and double prime are used for various stuff, and I think there was one or two more obscure symbols too. < 1499818232 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :℥ is a nice symbol. < 1499818247 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh right, I forgot that one because I don't see it getting used < 1499818266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ℥ < 1499818267 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2125 OUNCE SIGN] < 1499818286 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I no longer consider it a coincidence. I am better at programming when I reduce my font size < 1499818298 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. eh? < 1499818314 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, some people write ℓ instead of l for a liter (and some write L) < 1499818342 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: with your good font, right? < 1499818350 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: When I measure speeds, should I use Hz? < 1499818356 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yeah and this high dpi mintor < 1499818360 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monitor < 1499818384 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :handwritten ℓ is useful to distinguish the unit from 1, l and other hambiguitous things. < 1499818384 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 MBHz < 1499818389 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499818409 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 mega Bel per second? < 1499818433 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logarithmic units are TG < 1499818440 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was struggling to translate this perl script into C++. I reduced font size to get more of the code on my screen and suddenly I fixed all the segafults in half an hour and it now works. < 1499818445 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for speeds, use m/s, except when it's speed limit for motor vehicles, in which case use whichever one of km/h or mi/h is generally used for labels of the speedometer of the car < 1499818450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mHz < 1499818464 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Measure acceleration in mHz/s < 1499818480 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: nice < 1499818494 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like too small fonts, but that's partly because I'm myopic and don't have a perfect vision < 1499818550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do have a perfect vision with glasses by the technical definition, as proven repeatedly in the optometrist examinations, but a worse vision still than some other programmers < 1499818590 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have bad vision at distances but up close I can handle very small font sizes < 1499818636 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other part I don't get is how some people can work with the sun glaring directly into the monitor, or with the sun shining in brightly through a window from right ahead of you from the same direction as the monitor, or in a very dark room with a bright monitor. < 1499818642 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've seen people do each of those. < 1499818666 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer a bright, bright monitor and no light apart from it < 1499818677 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, since I'm myopic, I also have a worse vision in a distance (unless I wear contacts, which I don't do these days) < 1499818697 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20/20 vision, 20/10 with rice. < 1499818712 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer a rather dark monitor. I somewhat vary the darkness depending on whether it's the day or night, but it's dark in either case. < 1499818883 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally the daylight should come from the side and the window somewhat shaded so the light is scattered rather than glaring from one direction, but this is often not practical. < 1499818917 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course neither the lighting nor the monitor should flicker, because that's really annoying. < 1499818927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Did you fix your build system yet? < 1499818993 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monitor part has gotten easier these days: instead of old small CRTs, we got better CRTs then later TFT monitors; the lighting gets worse though, with all the fancy fluorescent lighting and leds instead of proper conventional and halogen bulbs. < 1499819057 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, but luckily the build system wasn't involved here < 1499819085 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a perl script, and i translated it into a C++ program with just the standard liberry < 1499819091 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also bigger TFT monitors, which is nice. < 1499819293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499819321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Hopefully your build system is involved with both Perl and C++ code? < 1499819422 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this tool doesn't get used in the build system, neither does the build use it < 1499819449 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally separate, and is instead part of a system that will get built with bjam < 1499819451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but you still build it. < 1499819472 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, is this boost < 1499819473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I build it by saying g++ main.cpp < 1499819487 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1499819512 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjam will probably just do that < 1499819549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrap it < 1499819560 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwats wrong with bjam < 1499819570 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than our inhouse thing < 1499819578 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is bad < 1499819587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you invent a new system which is good instead of bad < 1499819613 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol who has time to do that < 1499819620 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think making a good build system is a REALLY hard problem < 1499819639 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, harder than making good versions of other programming support tools < 1499819708 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but \oren\ is "an excellent software developer", so he's well-suited for the task. < 1499819804 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than mocking me for putting that, you hould go and put "an amazing software developer" on your linked in < 1499819819 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not mocking you. < 1499819857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gentle prodding at best. < 1499819861 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the right word? < 1499819866 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1499819873 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should I do that? < 1499819882 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should delete my LinkedIn account instead < 1499819885 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people know haw awesome you are < 1499819906 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do with my life? < 1499819911 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and great at writing progams < 1499820046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I? < 1499820059 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... I've shavented some pretty good HackEgo programs. < 1499820177 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I've shavented some other good software. < 1499820269 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? 元気を出して! < 1499820332 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499820337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When are you moving to America? < 1499820367 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is ZFC arithmetically sound? < 1499820381 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at healthcare costs for me. It looks like, with the ACA, I can put an upper bound at, say, $10k/year < 1499820393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including insurance premia and other costs. < 1499820405 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure the arithmetic soundness of ZFC is about on par with Goldbach's conjecture, as far as certainty goes. < 1499820640 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1499820640 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 112320Z 32004KT 9999 FEW017 BKN053 12/10 Q1003 RMK WIND 670FT 33006KT < 1499820653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1499820653 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 112253Z 29012KT 10SM CLR 22/12 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP128 T02220117 $ < 1499820727 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part says that it's pouring down < 1499820767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hth < 1499820770 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC < 1499820770 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 112253Z 31012KT 10SM CLR 28/13 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP116 T02830133 < 1499820774 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shavented? < 1499820776 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1499820777 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 112300Z 22012KT 15SM FEW035 BKN130 BKN240 24/18 A2984 RMK CU1AC5CI2 CU TR SLP108 DENSITY ALT 1300FT < 1499820778 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1499820778 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 112320Z VRB03KT 8000 -RA BKN004 15/15 Q1005 TEMPO RA < 1499820791 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :-RA TEMPO RA, I guess that's pretty close. < 1499820794 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. 15/15. bletch. < 1499820815 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very happy about it, it's been like >27 inside for a week now. < 1499820823 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's at least down to 25. < 1499820873 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I'm getting ticked off by this: http://sprunge.us/MNiZ < 1499820905 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1499820911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The order? < 1499820919 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that there's so many of them. < 1499820924 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromium downloads a new copy every time I start it. < 1499820932 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.nikhef.nl/~jo/quantum/qm/thermo/ just has one of them. < 1499820932 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1499820933 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1499820940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i meant here in ENVAland hth < 1499820944 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to quit by closing each tab one by one, but it didn't help. < 1499820946 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should set it to ask before saving. < 1499820966 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should try disabling the saving thing. < 1499821029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`# boily: //`? shaventions < 1499821030 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1/4/5, edit. Taneb did not invent them yet. < 1499821102 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should ban `edit < 1499821121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we'd have to ban `fetch too < 1499821128 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1499821129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1499821148 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cognac < 1499821148 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cognac? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499821156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1499821159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to get it < 1499821170 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg | grep cognac < 1499821176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10525:2017-03-27 slwd tanebvention//s/, pr/, cognac, pr/ < 1499821186 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cog nac < 1499821201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :false cognac < 1499821247 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Cognac is named for its strong cognitive effects. Taneb invented it, then somehow managed to keep it off the illegal drugs list. < 1499821249 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'cognac': Cognac is named for its strong cognitive effects. Taneb invented it, then somehow managed to keep it off the illegal drugs list. < 1499821280 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Taneb invent things involving drugs and crime? < 1499821327 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he invented mushrooms... < 1499821345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushrooms < 1499821346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499821351 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1499821382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this sentence < 1499821383 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is just. Taneb invented it. < 1499821397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the bbc < 1499821398 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bbc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499821400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bbc < 1499821401 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, villages in Norway, and inventors of all things. Taneb invented it. < 1499821420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1499821421 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms. < 1499821426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: please invent some more maths twh < 1499821433 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algebraic geometry < 1499821434 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebraic geometry is so complicated that Taneb had to take an exam in it before he could invent it. < 1499821448 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? necessity < 1499821449 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If necessity did not exist, it would be necessary for Taneb to invent it. < 1499821452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? invention < 1499821453 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :invention? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499821486 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Invention is the daughter of necessity. < 1499821488 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'invention': Invention is the daughter of necessity. < 1499821535 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? god < 1499821536 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499821546 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gowd god < 1499821547 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gowd: not found < 1499821555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg god < 1499821562 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10533:2017-03-27 forget god \ 10532:2017-03-27 slwd god//s,$,., \ 7437:2016-04-17 learn GOD is GOD over djinn < 1499821571 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. < 1499821651 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can undo 10533 if you want to. < 1499821725 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1adf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? munch < 1499821726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :munch? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499821840 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499822659 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499823771 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:4543:ef9e:c84f:3505 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499824450 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COMMUNITY CHICKEN < 1499825780 0 :Lord_of_-!?@? 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NICK :sdhand < 1499868027 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499868694 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1499870491 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499872053 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499872305 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499874667 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read this AlongPSEUDOrandomSENTENCEisAmoreSECUREkeyTHANrandomSHORTascii < 1499874695 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was trying to explain the need for better passwords < 1499874716 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the actual entropy of that? < 1499874775 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :english words in a sentence that makes sense, with an easy to remember pattern to capitalize some letters < 1499874900 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better than a short password given the number of words, even if they're correlated < 1499874933 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall Shannon's classic number is something like 11 bits/word. < 1499875462 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that google thing is scary good at predicting words < 1499875798 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: somewhat relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/936/ < 1499875850 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the entropy of subsequent words in a grammatically correct or semantically meaningful sentence is significantly lower < 1499875900 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/cnbe0KQ.png < 1499876225 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: of course, those particular 4 words are famous now < 1499876707 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499879323 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Quit: ybden < 1499879344 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499879391 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1499879429 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499880272 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499884445 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499885577 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499885699 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:1550:8652:5ae6:a38a JOIN :#esoteric < 1499885765 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:1550:8652:5ae6:a38a QUIT :Client Quit < 1499885899 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499887071 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499887475 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? method < 1499887476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A method is a tweaked out mothod. < 1499887610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mothod < 1499887611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mothod? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499887619 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mother < 1499887620 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mother is a person who practices mothology. < 1499887624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mothoid < 1499887625 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mothoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499887629 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mothology < 1499887630 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mothology is the study of moths, myths and mirths. < 1499887633 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? moth < 1499887634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moths are the main ingredient of mothballs. < 1499887665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this channel obsessed with moths twh < 1499887687 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? marmot < 1499887688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :marmot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499887690 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? marmoth < 1499887690 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :marmoth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499887693 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mammoth < 1499887694 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mammoth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499887714 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😎 < 1499887831 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mammoth is a moth which is also a mother. < 1499887928 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499888019 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1499888071 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499888311 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you're a sort of moth, aren't you < 1499888368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499888450 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499888973 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499889548 0 :augur!~augur@hostelling-international.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499889757 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I leave the moth-ing to lynn < 1499889972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lynn still in here < 1499889978 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flutters < 1499889993 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lynn < 1499890002 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqazesvfygkncqbj PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf! < 1499890009 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch out for oerjan's swatter. < 1499890046 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499890118 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good tip, I've had bad experiences with that swatter < 1499890528 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499893633 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I here? < 1499893661 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this place o-o < 1499893708 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asks himself the same question every day. < 1499895010 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-108-154.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what question though? < 1499897589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499898865 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-plujllldqdpdyxtz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499900247 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that one. < 1499900261 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Do you like this? < 1499900276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Cale < 1499900276 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499900285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come you don't have a wisdom entry tdnh < 1499900307 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cale < 1499900308 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cale? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499900340 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do if my wisdom is continually being consumed by the void? hm < 1499900429 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499900491 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Do you like this? < 1499900492 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499900643 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gjyvrrvhodeanuuc JOIN :#esoteric < 1499901343 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499901678 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dylt < 1499901679 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dylt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499901711 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnltsia < 1499901715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnlgeah < 1499902102 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gjyvrrvhodeanuuc QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499902128 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fold < 1499902129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fold? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499902129 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? foldl < 1499902130 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499902131 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? foldr < 1499902132 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1499902190 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zbpfjedvrimkflgm JOIN :#esoteric < 1499902327 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499902356 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499902372 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499902446 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1499904671 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499905350 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqzmhitsyugllhhj JOIN :#esoteric < 1499905437 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1499906032 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499906220 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas-AFK < 1499907701 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499908417 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499908829 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zygohistomorphic prepromorphism < 1499908830 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. < 1499908851 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg zygohistomorphic prepromorphism < 1499908859 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5308:2015-04-11 ` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{," prepromorphism"} < 1499908861 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`howg zygohistomorphic prepromorphism < 1499908867 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{," prepromorphism"} < 1499908869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses howg? < 1499908873 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should scrap it < 1499908893 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`howg zygohistomorphic < 1499908902 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{," prepromorphism"} \ learn A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. < 1499908902 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mine, isn't it? < 1499908908 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1499908916 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1499909832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you howg instead of dowg? < 1499911038 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499911172 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1907@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.7 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499911206 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:14cb:5b96:6b4a:7f07 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499912268 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499913394 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learnt there is a irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#proglangdesign  channel < 1499915465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Julfers 5* 10New user account < 1499916335 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52416&oldid=52402 5* 03Julfers 5* (+148) 10 < 1499916396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Julfers14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52417 5* 03Julfers 5* (+31) 10Created page with "Josiah (Joe) Ulfers, programmer" < 1499919223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DatBoi11841 5* 10New user account < 1499923651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499925778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499927527 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqzmhitsyugllhhj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1499927586 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499928426 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499929504 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1499929640 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499934206 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499935561 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499935643 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499935921 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499935986 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499935997 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does visual basic have context-sensitive grammar? < 1499936011 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as foo(bar) could either be a function call or an array access depending on what type foo is < 1499936063 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the grammar for those the same though, just different semantics < 1499936115 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I'd expect in both cases foo and bar are expressions, as is the result foo(bar) < 1499936138 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as far as parsing is concerned, it's one thing < 1499936220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the Mill? < 1499936259 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but foo(bar, baz) would be illegal if foo is an array type < 1499936285 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing might be the same though < 1499936294 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a semantic error < 1499936583 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. yeah. < 1499936589 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing rules are probably the same for both. < 1499937383 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:895e:6ff3:2820:2d30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499937900 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot you lil raskell < 1499937901 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: v. capacity calculated according to length :) skull, proportions :), in india, as i learn from admiral sir james sulivan) to be low, and would, i suspect that/ following circumstances. a minute crustaceous animal " cancer salinus) is said to be; and about mimosa sensitiva./ fnord is lost. very soon afterwards it decays. in/ preservation :) profitable modifications, each better and better, for educational purposes, than < 1499938205 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1499938205 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin* discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1499938214 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499938404 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1499938404 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1499938416 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Any opinions on G20? < 1499938417 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mr president, a few days ago. mr davies has already said on a number of positive and negative. negative, firstly, countries should honour their pledges, namely make 0.7% of their gross national income. < 1499938438 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And how does this relate to the violence? < 1499938439 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mr president, before i give my explanation of vote against related to the system. then there was a great scandal in italy because a leak from the ministry for the fnord. finally, mr president, i received a specific question to the council and the president of finland, and i quote: ' whereby progressively only less favoured regions, one-fourth of community sheep production is undertaken in other areas loses its meaning. < 1499938495 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:895e:6ff3:2820:2d30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499938549 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1499938550 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1499938562 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who invented the telephone? < 1499938562 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you know what a good network you know < 1499938571 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like good networks. < 1499938592 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1499938597 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1499938598 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1499938745 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: WHY DO YOU NEVER SEND ME ANY TEXTS?? < 1499938758 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SWIPED RIGHT ON YOU YOU KNOW. < 1499944824 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ans14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52418&oldid=32456 5* 03Zseri 5* (+12) 10/* Interpreter */ dead link < 1499945597 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499948624 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: NEUTRAL CHICKEN < 1499953633 0 :Remavas-AFK!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1499953678 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@94.242.252.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499953781 0 :deep-book-gk_!~1wm_su@94.242.252.58 PART #esoteric : < 1499954434 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499955164 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1499956073 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:a0f2:c4f2:76f4:d31a QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499956424 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:ec9f:90b7:444b:6a31:aaa1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499956587 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499957300 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499957442 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Trajedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52419&oldid=51774 5* 03Jafetish 5* (+280) 10 < 1499958142 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499958713 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499959609 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spämmi! < 1499959616 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's been a while since the last one. < 1499959632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in finnish, that is.) < 1499959842 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499961249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan asks himself the same question every day. <-- . o O ( shachaf knows too much... ) < 1499963312 0 :mroman!a055e8eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.235 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499964400 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I doing here? < 1499964719 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know what action one takes in order to know too much hth < 1499964895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one asks too many questions. < 1499965084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1499965522 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499965646 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499965935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's what i was getting at < 1499965940 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe what you were getting at too. < 1499966658 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499966682 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499966747 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499966774 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499966897 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499966922 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499967107 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499967133 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499968901 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan At least it wasn't mämmi. < 1499968901 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1499970199 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499970876 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499972448 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499973676 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499973793 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499973939 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if oerjan's Finnish spam was related to Spotify, because I just got a rare Finnish s[pc]am as well, and it was.) < 1499973955 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/eCiFO7qV54E < 1499976347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1082 < 1499976348 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1082: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1499977481 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I only ever get spam about rayban sunglasses for incredibly low prices. < 1499977503 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least that is the only thing getting through to the gmail spam folder even < 1499977521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you vorpal@gmail.com? < 1499977559 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1499977657 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have not gotten any spam to my own email server. So I haven't even set up spam filtering there yet. Just some basic SPF verification thing < 1499977751 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I believe you run your own mail server, for the future and the inevitable day I get spam, what do you recommend for anti-spam? < 1499977840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be involved in running mail servers. < 1499977852 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1499977867 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, any suggestions for that future? < 1499977877 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know that SpamAssassin is a thing < 1499977896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were using custom software. < 1499977911 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1499977942 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last SpamAssassin release was over 2 years ago hm < 1499979058 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For spam, I use a postfwd configuration that checks two DNS blacklists (zen.spamhaus.org, bl.spamcop.net). It's very rudimentary, but has been enough so far. < 1499979068 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499979069 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fair number of spam that goes through, but it's not been unmanageable. < 1499979117 0 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1499979173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about doing greylisting, for whatever reason I hear that still is pretty effective. < 1499979281 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does that work? < 1499979324 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tl;dr is that for any unknown sending mail server, your mail server returns a "temporarily unavailable, please retry" error code. < 1499979345 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently most of the botnets that spew out spam still don't do retries, while almost all real mail servers do. < 1499979380 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does add a little delay (from some minutes to hours, depending on sending mx behavior) to first new email from an unknown system. < 1499979407 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably makes more sense for a system that receives an appreciable volume of email. < 1499979425 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My forwarding service (iki.fi) does that. < 1499979443 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499979489 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499979492 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1499979514 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the school where my father teaches does otherwise, because they greylist the periodic newsletters I send to family members. < 1499979583 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's also kind of inherently biased against anyone using a "non-standard" email solution, since those will likely be classified as unknown. (The greylisting implementations expire the "known" status after some days/weeks.) < 1499979641 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's happened to the most recent one I sent again. < 1499979644 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499979708 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"status=deferred (host [REDACTED] said: 451 4.7.1 <[REDACTED]>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisting in effect, please come back later (in reply to RCPT TO command))" < 1499979761 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499980410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52420&oldid=52293 5* 03Manushand 5* (-4) 10/* Factorial */ < 1499980680 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499981243 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looking at the logs I do get some connects from such hosts, but it seems they just disconnect without doing anything. Manually resolved a couple < 1499981351 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: might be the SPF checking does it as well < 1499981399 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot more connects in my Postfix logs than actual clients, I've never really bothered to investigate why they disconnect. < 1499981440 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them might be bruteforcing passwords, there's one case here with about 2k connect attempts over two hours or so. < 1499981493 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe set up fail2ban on that? < 1499981508 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of tricky to find the right criteria for that I guess < 1499981527 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything about failed passwords in the postfix log at least < 1499981571 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess they might be doing something else too. Like trying to spam without any "stop if failing" thing. < 1499981583 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use SASL, how does that work exactly? < 1499981593 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot < 1499981593 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth < 1499981612 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do postfix forward to it? Or do you login to dovecot first and that makes it work? < 1499981650 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix connects to that Dovecot socket to authenticate based on what comes in the SMTP connection, I believe. < 1499981654 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have the same setup.) < 1499981659 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1499981744 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a while since I set it up, kind of confused now. What is an LMTP service and why do I use it? < 1499981786 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :LMTP is like SMTP except for local delivery, I think it's the recommended way to setup mail delivery into Dovecot. < 1499981819 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably why I use it then < 1499981830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499981830 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, the protocol's pretty much identical to SMTP, except maybe some minor variations and the fact that it normally runs over a Unix domain socket. < 1499981874 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm that forwarding service you use, how does that work when forwarding mails from servers with SPF set up to a server that checks SPF? < 1499981886 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/use/run/ < 1499982130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're opposed to SPF on ideological and practical grounds. And of course you can self decide where you forward to, and pick a friendly enough destination. I don't remember if they did anything else specifically. < 1499982171 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they? I got the impression you ran it. < 1499982187 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no, it's an organization. < 1499982200 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Internet Users Forever IKI is a non-profit society which provides its members, private individuals in Finland, permanent iki.fi-addresses with e-mail and WWW forwarding." < 1499982231 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but you are involved in running it somehow or not? < 1499982259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to their meetings back when I still lived in Finland (free cake), so I guess in a super-technical sense yes. But not in any practical way. < 1499982277 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1499982301 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : My forwarding service (iki.fi) does that. <-- I misinterpreted the "my" there < 1499982316 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it was a little ambiguous. "My" as in "the one I use". < 1499982372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that many places are yet using SPF as a hard blocklist even with a -all policy on the source, it's just an extra signal to their filtering systems. I remember the IKI people's discussion places having some chatter about that and Gmail, but there's definitely people forwarding their iki.fi addresses to Gmail with success. < 1499982415 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1499982416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1499982440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm voting fizzie for king in the next election < 1499982470 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess unnamed former Gmail SREs might have better ideas about how it relates to SPF, but that's SO CONFIDENTIAL. < 1499982534 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did set up DKIM on my private mail server, in the hopes of it maybe giving a tiny positive nudge in spam scores of outgoing emails. < 1499982536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth Delivery is a somewhat separate group from the rest of Gmail. < 1499982617 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One of my wife's relatives uses Hotmail/Outlook, and some of our messages went to their spam folder.) < 1499982783 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vjbrhlvoikedjymx JOIN :#esoteric < 1499982942 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499983035 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499984768 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499985689 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499986502 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499986512 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another olist? < 1499986701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this olist was already announced. < 1499986705 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need an olistlist. < 1499986732 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I noticed it in the logs < 1499986737 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I didn't `olist it again < 1499986746 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just surprised because it's fast now < 1499986918 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he published his PDF thing. < 1499986923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's back to full-time olisting. < 1499987946 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499988765 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499988780 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499988968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499989058 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe what you were getting at too. <-- THAUSIBLE < 1499989077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-flood < 1499989077 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 5h 36m 15s ago: At least it wasn't mämmi. < 1499989617 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499991160 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I wonder if oerjan's Finnish spam was related to Spotify, [...] <-- sorry, didn't pay that much attention before deleting. < 1499991331 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499991356 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for that trick where traverse a linked list and keep track of where you are by each time you move to a child you make it point back to its parent so you can go back < 1499991396 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a name for that trick I shoudl use it for this commit messge < 1499991409 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zipper? < 1499991430 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1499991530 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"made this not stack over flow by using a zipper technique instead of just recursing" < 1499991544 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1499991738 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i think the "Sort of" is pretty big there. < 1499991763 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah noone reads my code anyway < 1499991775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What does the program do? < 1499991784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should post the code. < 1499991791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr this being used for gc way before zippers were invented. < 1499991799 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't really zipper anyway. < 1499991802 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's related? < 1499991821 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use an xor doubly linked list hth < 1499991822 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reads some crap in, parses it into a tree but the tree is too big to traverse < 1499991846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need to use this stupid zippery technique to avoid stack overflows < 1499991858 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then outputs some other crap < 1499991887 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo post a simplified version twh < 1499991947 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I've heard of that trick, and I don't know how generally it can be done. I wonder if it could be used for a garbage collector following conses with arbitrary cyclical links, possibly combined with an xor trick. < 1499991954 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it had a name. < 1499992007 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that garbage collector use is where i've seen it. < 1499992065 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably have to look in Knuth chapters 2 and 6 to see if it has a name < 1499992078 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to talk by Knuth once that talked about something similar to a zipper. < 1499992089 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok hold on < 1499992095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the way he had of drawing/thinking about it. < 1499992135 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a big fan of Knuth's books. They're so awesome. < 1499992163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3vgJYYIok < 1499992173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read his books. < 1499992244 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/sJEGNtjQ < 1499992353 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now imagine that do_leaf is also doing the same thing < 1499992366 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah... < 1499992510 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't eliminate recursions, it just reduces the amount of recursion to manageable level < 1499992621 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm certain I've seen this technique before but I don't know what it is called < 1499992789 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren, helloerjan, wellob_jellonas, sholacholaf < 1499992993 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now i rmember! this is basically like a tree rotation! < 1499993014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of? < 1499993079 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a tree rotation but the tree isn't sorted by anything and we're just doing it as a stupid trick < 1499993298 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course normally you could jsut use tail recursion in this case, but unfortunately we want things outputted in the right order < 1499993514 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, the same order as if it had been a recursive function where do_tree(node) { if(tag is 1) do_leaf(c0); else {do_tree(c0); do_leaf(c1);} } < 1499993672 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say, the behaviour caused by the way the original perl code was written is now the spec for the new c++ code < 1499993736 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want exactly the same output but faster and using less memiore < 1499994119 0 :hppavilion[0]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1499994179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quhintopia < 1499994705 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1499994725 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have i missed the last two weeks? < 1499995153 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1499995226 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well the wiki/HackEgo server was gone for a couple days < 1499995314 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499996272 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499996432 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1499996568 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It felt like a long time, but actually it was just about 2 days, 4 hours. < 1499996781 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499997146 0 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499997492 0 :Remavas!?@? NICK :Rem|Sleep < 1499998749 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1499998779 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1a71@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.26.113 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499998863 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500000418 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500000573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500000687 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500004999 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Comefrom0x1014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52421 5* 03Julfers 5* (+6415) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Comefrom0x10 |paradigms=Imperative |author=[[User:Julfers]] |year=[[:Category:2016|2016]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |majori..." < 1500005109 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Julfers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52422&oldid=52417 5* 03Julfers 5* (+29) 10 < 1500005181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52423&oldid=52408 5* 03Julfers 5* (+19) 10 < 1500005441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Comefrom0x1014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52424&oldid=52421 5* 03Julfers 5* (+0) 10 < 1500005508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500006012 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Comefrom0x1014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52425 5* 03Julfers 5* (+580) 10Created page with "==Turing completeness== I listed this as Turing complete because it probably is and I wrote a [https://comefrom0x10.readthedocs.io/en/latest/examples.html#brainfuck-interpret..." < 1500006017 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1500006022 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:welcome.fi//Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: . (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.) \ manglophobia//Manglophobia is the fear of horribly mangled "Greek" neologisms. \ pluto//Pluto i < 1500006023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1500006023 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:s an ex-planet that moonlights as a dog in Disney cartoons. \ jerk//Jerk is the integral of snap. \ amnesium//An amnesium is a school where you forget everything you learned after each test. < 1500007445 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500008733 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1500009003 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e0d6:97d6:dfb0:b446 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500012184 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:e0d6:97d6:dfb0:b446 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1500012399 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hi\n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52426&oldid=50177 5* 03Xavo 5* (-1563) 10Blanked the page < 1500012562 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ChromaticiT 5* 10New user account < 1500012836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapumpkin: whoa whoa whoa, you're doing Rust? < 1500012892 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:85f6:b055:e124:9e3a JOIN :#esoteric < 1500012997 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1500015707 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1500016040 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1500016049 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1500016072 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :Guest45222 < 1500017591 0 :Guest45222!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Changing host < 1500017591 0 :Guest45222!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1500017591 0 :Guest45222!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1500017770 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:85f6:b055:e124:9e3a QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1500018410 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500019363 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vjbrhlvoikedjymx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1500020580 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500020959 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500024879 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500029195 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500032079 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500032653 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1500032655 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lion//Lions are the catamorphisms of the animal world. They get eaten by poets in stone dens. < 1500032855 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500035213 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ZERO CHICKEN < 1500036031 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c9a6:ed52:49f:76b2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500037180 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500037231 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-004-083-030.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1500037266 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-101-252.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1500037350 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-101-252.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1500040389 0 :Rem|Sleep!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1500040488 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500040830 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500041408 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500041889 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500041959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500042189 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c9a6:ed52:49f:76b2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500042267 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500043234 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1500044037 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1500044165 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500044337 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500045005 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500047886 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500048339 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500048916 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm Debian stretch was released last month. Time to upgrade maybe. Or should I wait half a year for it to stabilise. < 1500049206 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a joke, hmm. < 1500049543 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1500049550 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1500049552 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's break a few VMs... < 1500049684 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500049922 0 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1500049969 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not really. I have a server for one. Do not want it to break :P Though it isn't ubuntu. Ubuntu tends to be far buggier on upgrade between LTSes < 1500049978 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1500050023 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes probably going to dump the server VM, do a offline dry run upgrade, make sure it works and then either do the real upgrade or sync it back < 1500050161 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1500050481 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500050537 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1500050585 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seems to have worked just fine. < 1500050646 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: stretch goal... < 1500050954 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1500050991 0 :izabera!?@? NICK :queenofseki < 1500051002 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the thing is, Debian is ultra-stable to the point where I'm running the "unstable" distribution on my home computer. (I do keep to the stable release for VMs) < 1500051033 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500051123 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway I can now report two successful in situ upgrades to stretch... booted without a hitch and all services that I remember are still running. < 1500051145 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what about a complicated setup with LVM2 and cryptsetup-luks though ;P < 1500051157 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not for my VM, but for my desktop < 1500051268 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be more fun, but if it's luks then I wouldn't expect problems. Might be a good idea to keep something like Knoppix around though (which I expect has enough software on board to allow accessing the data) < 1500051316 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I use http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/ for that type of purpose < 1500051332 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it to be really good < 1500051372 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :website looks really dated though < 1500051386 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knoppix has a browser to pass the time while the tools are working ;) < 1500051426 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I believe there is a basic browser on that CD too, it has LXDE at least < 1500051431 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe dillo or something like that? < 1500051493 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the question then is, does knoppix have all the specialized tools that system rescue CD does as well? < 1500051522 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it appears there is full on firefox on there < 1500051602 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl going to make food. Just need to go out and pick some fresh herbs first. < 1500051671 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have not yet missed anything. http://www.wp-schulz.de/images/download/knoppix_77/kn-vsn.lst < 1500051687 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but mostly I just needed gparted and debootstrap) < 1500051816 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Basically when you make a 7.7GB image you have room for a lot of stuff ;) < 1500052092 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500052760 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500052882 0 :queenofseki!?@? NICK :izabera < 1500053107 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500053299 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: does it have the complete TeXLive? < 1500053318 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1500053342 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what about qgis? < 1500053355 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, not complete... but a good chunk of texlive is in there. < 1500053413 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it also doesn't include the whole small groups database of gap < 1500053484 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :texlive-fonts-extra isn't in there, so it won't be enough to build the wisdom.pdf < 1500053502 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've upgraded three systems from jessie to stretch now without issues. < 1500053566 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only change that was sort of relevant from an administrationary point of view is the new network interface naming they've switched to. < 1500053618 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's sort of opt-in if you're upgrading, but on by default on new installs.) < 1500053641 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and the possibility to maybe switch from iptables to nftables if you want.) < 1500053948 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500054425 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500054454 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500054803 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( so how do I get the apt-listchanges output again... ) < 1500055464 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm just happy I always get those emailed. < 1500055631 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500055822 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1500056032 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1500056285 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah apparently I never made that part work < 1500056422 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1500056604 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500056674 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500056705 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1500056718 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Oh, and the possibility to maybe switch from iptables to nftables if you want.) <-- huh? < 1500056723 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I stand to gain from that < 1500056727 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-083-030.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1500056730 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the same backend isn't it? < 1500056765 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500056787 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway both debian boxes uses ufw. Though the server has some custom rules on top (for a HTTPS/SSH multiplexer, since port 443 may be accessible through some proxies where you can't reach port 22) < 1500056827 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Raspbian (where stretch has not yet been released anyway) has completely custom iptables rules because of various VPN and IPv6 tunnel routing mess < 1500056908 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ufw as my iptables frontend :-P < 1500057028 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1500057118 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do that for most systems. Just in two cases I do way more complicated stuff than it can handle < 1500057143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm interested in why you'd need a firewall that complex < 1500057154 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one case I managed to deal with that in the /etc/ufw custom rules files. In the other it was too messy < 1500057169 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if fail2ban can be set up to block spam email < 1500057206 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I set it up to block on failed logins for dovecot at least < 1500057214 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did I < 1500057223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit of a different scenario though < 1500057242 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are plenty of legitimate reasons for people other than me to send me email < 1500057248 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no real legitimate reasons for people other than me to download my email < 1500057254 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ufw doesn't allow you to set up prerouting entries for one < 1500057290 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well postfix submission port can be blocked based on failed dovecot SASL logins too < 1500057303 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I set that up, don't quite remember < 1500057324 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often does someone try to hack into your email, and when it can't, try to send email pretending to be from you? < 1500057350 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can't see any reason not to block that < 1500057355 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I get quite a few connect try AUTH disconnect password guessing bots in the logs at least < 1500057358 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also wouldn't expect it to haev a lot of effect < 1500057367 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500057368 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get AUTH guessing bots a lot too < 1500057381 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually low rate though < 1500057404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't expect them to move onto the submission port when they fail < 1500057411 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, think the stuff in the oven is ready maybe < 1500057413 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, backwards < 1500057424 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect them to have guessed the dovecot password first < 1500057463 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope meringue was still not crisp < 1500057518 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as for why I don't use ufw on my pi, I set it up so I route all traffic for a specific UID through a VPN, but route other traffic normally. That was invasive enough to make me ditch ufw < 1500057522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, someone's trying to bruteforce username/password pairs on NH4's play-a-game login interface < 1500057529 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably thinking it's a regular telnet interface < 1500057544 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll be pretty disappointed if they do manage to get into the account of the player called "root" :-P < 1500057559 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Re nftables, possibly not much, especially for simple scenarios. nftables has better support for (static or dynamic) sets/maps, which can give you less-than-O(n) lookups for many things where the iptables approach would be "list of rules". And the syntax is more concise. < 1500057560 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also setting up connection tracking helpers need some entries in the raw output table < 1500057570 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, ipset? < 1500057576 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that existed already < 1500057581 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has been going for ages, too < 1500057592 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fail2ban on it then < 1500057605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't easily, nothing seems to be recording the IP < 1500057613 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems weird < 1500057621 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is rare enough (because it wouldn't actually work if it succeeded…) that I'd just ban the IP manually if I knew what it was < 1500057669 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess that would be nice for the Pi. I have a long list of ports to accept on for it < 1500057684 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you even know it is happening then? < 1500057689 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's some support for sets on the iptables side, nft's just a lot more extensive. You can use them in a lot of contexts, and also do key-value maps, including for things like mapping to an action. < 1500057691 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I get quite regular scans on port 23 < 1500057697 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nethack4 server is logging the attempts < 1500057712 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but not the ip? < 1500057713 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1500057714 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sees the connections as coming from localhost, because people telnet in and it creates a client for them < 1500057720 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1500057725 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and nft lets you do a single ruleset for IPv4/IPv6 jointly, which is an improvement in convenience over plain iptables. Probably again not relevant if you're already using a frontend like ufw. < 1500057731 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you connect to NH4 by telnet, you get a client process with which to do your server interaction < 1500057745 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, I have different rules for ipv4 and ipv6 on the pi < 1500057788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I, but they're *mostly* similar. < 1500057796 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the feature set a full on super-set of iptables? Last I looked (a year ago maybe) it wasn't yet < 1500057799 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1500057812 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few missing pieces, but it's not far. < 1500057821 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, disabling sha1 based DH key exchanges in sshd actually cuts down on the authentication attempts... funny < 1500057824 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: very different for me, since the pi act as a SixXS tunnel endpoint and share it to the network < 1500057836 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500057836 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer to this question is probably yes, but have there been any esolangs that don't have numbers of any kind built in? < 1500057839 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't *have* to do a joint table. < 1500057871 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also some more theoretical benefits, like you might be able to get new features just by updating the userland tooling without needing a kernel extension, since the whole infrastructure is more BPF-style virtual machiney thing. < 1500057878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: tons < 1500057899 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ip6tables-translate -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth3 -p udp -m multiport --dports 111,222 -j ACCEPT < 1500057899 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nft add rule ip6 filter FORWARD iifname eth0 oifname eth3 meta l4proto udp udp dport { 111,222} counter accept < 1500057900 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any "famous few"? < 1500057901 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is my favourite example; there's a conventional number representation but it's based on functions with specific behaviour < 1500057912 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that new commands seems rather more confusing than iptables to me < 1500057921 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just an example I found googling < 1500057923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Is It Art? is my new favourite example for an esolang that doesn't have /any/ sort of conventional data structure < 1500057943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the Mill an esoarchitecture? < 1500057945 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"constraint-solving tarpit" now that's interesting. < 1500057953 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm guessing "meta l4proto udp" is just a translator artefact, it's not needed at all. < 1500057955 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: will have to look at that < 1500057970 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose not. < 1500057994 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of something in the style of the untyped lambda calculus. < 1500058005 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :iota and jot came to mind but I was wondering if there were others. < 1500058008 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if there are functioning translation tools, it shouldn't be too bad to convert it < 1500058034 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Another semi-nice thing for complicated rulesets might be that you're not limited to a single action, which might cut down on the need for "utility chains". < 1500058071 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yes that might be useful < 1500058076 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still a bunch of more or less niche match types that don't have a nftables equivalent, and anyway there's probably no hurry to migrate. < 1500058109 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I set up network printing and scanning the other day. Turns out sane is one of those nasty protocols that need a connection tracking helper, it is doing separate control and data channels < 1500058123 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ended up doing a utility chain for it < 1500058127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen the SANE conntrack helper around, yes. < 1500058164 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I'm blocked by the fact that the "tcpmss" match type is not in any release yet, though it (actually a generic "TCP options" thing) is implemented in the git, so presumably it will be coming. < 1500058202 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a little more than a year out of date, but: https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Supported_features_compared_to_xtables < 1500058219 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you need that for < 1500058230 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcpmss consider native interface <--? < 1500058245 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I never found out what that means. < 1500058254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even after a lot of searching. < 1500058291 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm I think the ufw firewall for ipv6 use the HL (hoplimit?) thing, maybe < 1500058309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I need it for my current port knock thing, which is based on setting a specific MSS value to act as a key. < 1500058335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I found the IPs using lsof < 1500058338 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were actually three of them < 1500058502 0 :augur!~augur@67-207-118-226.static.wiline.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1500058540 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1500058738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500058786 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I hate that Pulseaudio bug < 1500058791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns off audible bell in the terminal < 1500058798 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes if you end it beeps too quickly < 1500058815 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although you can restart it, it then isn't integrated with the OS, meaning that things like the volume control shortcut keys no longer work < 1500058823 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I normally just reboot unless I'm in the middle of something important < 1500058848 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500059578 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: >using pulseaudio < 1500059613 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo pkill -9 pulseaudio < 1500059711 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf ~/.pulse* < 1500059719 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I found the logs, apparently systemd is keeping them < 1500059722 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf ~/.config/pulse < 1500059723 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: then I wouldn't have sound < 1500059734 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio < 1500059739 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use also < 1500059740 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use alsa < 1500059747 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alsa works fine < 1500059754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually find some of pulseaudio's features useful < 1500059760 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like independent volume controls per-program < 1500059775 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I'm more confident that these bans are justified < 1500060057 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jack is a better audio thing < 1500060074 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really alsa works fine anyway < 1500060092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, how bizarre < 1500060104 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I telnet to nethack4.org the connection is logged as being over IPv6 < 1500060112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet IPv6 testers say I don't have an IPv6 connection < 1500060127 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : it crashes if you end it beeps too quickly <-- this sentence grammar? < 1500060134 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to parse it < 1500060142 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that sentence grammar < 1500060148 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "end" is a typo for "send" < 1500060153 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1500060161 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes more sense if you put a transitive verb there :-) < 1500060198 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I tried "it's" but that failed too < 1500060206 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, why do I have IPv6 telnet if I don't have IPv6 http < 1500060258 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe it is just bound to * and thus report clients as ipv6 mapped ipv4? < 1500060309 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I can telnet to the IPv6 address directly < 1500060316 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I tried sshing to it, and got a password prompt < 1500060326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I tried sshing to my server over IPv4, and got a complaint from ssh < 1500060328 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I'm really confused < 1500060435 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: check ifconfig to see if you have ipv6? < 1500060442 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from link local I mean < 1500060658 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have IPv6 to the router but that's not surprising < 1500060725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I know what happened, and why I was so confused < 1500060730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ssh'ed from my computer to the server < 1500060733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then from the server to itself < 1500060736 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1500060748 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was connecting /from/ the wrong computer < 1500060753 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why nothing seemed to match up < 1500060767 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need differently coloured prompts or something < 1500060775 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so the server had ipv6 the whole time? < 1500060833 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1500060837 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my server has IPv6 < 1500060940 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500061311 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as for the pulse audio thing, never seen that bug < 1500061335 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1500061345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500061349 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as for the pulse audio thing, never seen that bug < 1500061367 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right, I always turn off the bell in inputrc, so that removes the major source of it < 1500061378 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might depend on the terminal emulator you use I guess < 1500061383 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use mate-terminal < 1500061413 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally happens when scrolling in less < 1500061420 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less beeps if you try to scroll past the end of the file < 1500061429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I normally use the mouse wheel with less, so that can give a lot of inputs very quickly < 1500061463 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? doesn't beep for me < 1500061497 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it reads inputrc too and disables the bell based on that? < 1500061534 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the bell during tab completion so terrible I immediately disables it completely < 1500061764 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500062007 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500062076 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500062203 0 :augur!~augur@67-207-118-226.static.wiline.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500062732 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500062801 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500063579 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1500063668 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Client Quit < 1500063932 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1500064244 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500064247 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1500064254 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only informally :) < 1500064273 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome copumpkin < 1500064274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07copumpkin: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1500065005 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressing backspace when there's no input to erase in xscreensaver's password input dialog is pretty much the only thing that produces a beep here. I don't know what exactly it's doing. < 1500065014 0 :Remavas-Hex!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1500065058 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(URxvt.visualBell: True in .Xresources, 'xset b off' in .xsession.) < 1500065261 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52427&oldid=52410 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+504) 10Character codes < 1500065856 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1500066869 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-103-28-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500067162 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-103-28-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1500067371 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500067622 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-103-28-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500068734 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1500069045 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500069053 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Hm Debian stretch was released last month. Time to upgrade maybe. Or should I wait half a year for it to stabilise." => oh great! < 1500069065 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for mentioning, I didn't notice it's come out yet < 1500069077 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll definitely have to upgrade < 1500069085 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ < 1500069434 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How might we calculate which constellation a set of coordinates is in? One consideration will be that there are some polar constellations, Octans and Ursa Minor. The boundaries seem to be almost straight along the axis of right ascension or declination, but not quite; they are a bit off. < 1500069495 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I thought the boundaries are always polygons with latitude and longitude line boundaries < 1500069521 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-103-28-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500069601 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes they are always polygons, although the lines are not always aligned like that, it is slightly off, it seems from the data < 1500069622 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: really? < 1500069636 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all of them slightly off, or just some? < 1500069725 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all, but I have not checked all of them. Here is one: https://www.iau.org/static/public/constellations/txt/and.txt The first number is right ascension and the next number is declination, you can see they are nearly aligned but not quite < 1500069757 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it possible that they're all aligned but in a different coordinate system that is rotated compared to the one this is described in? < 1500069798 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I haven't checked. < 1500069811 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what do those numbers mean in the text file you linked? < 1500069880 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned: the first column (before the first |) is the right ascension (in hours), and the second is the declination (in degrees), and the last part is the abbreviation for the constellation name. < 1500069910 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbers are J2000 equatorial coordinates. < 1500069965 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1500070516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500070922 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500071716 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500073962 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1500074074 0 :Remavas!?@? NICK :Rem|Sleep < 1500074137 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1500074597 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500074599 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1500074603 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:complete heyting algebra//A complete Heyting algebra is just a cartesian closed complete lattice. \ pipe//This is not a pipe. \ maths//Maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin. \ manager//Manager FAQ (by seebs) at http://www.seebs.net/faqs/manager.html \ portmanteau//«Portmanteau» is the French spelling of “port man to < 1500074611 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1500074611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:e”. < 1500074985 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500075215 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500075613 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500075640 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500075653 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500075872 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500076085 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1500076154 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1500076191 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500076326 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1500076413 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1500077176 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1500077693 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1500078011 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :update: I've now configured the server to use the sort of garish coloured prompts that people turn on because they care more about showing off what their terminal looks like than actually using it < 1500078020 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully I'm unlikely to forget I'm using it then < 1500078062 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're reading into people's intent a little more than is reasonable there. < 1500078070 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and the purpose for this is to make sure you don't accidentally type something to that prompt instead of the prompt for some other server? < 1500078113 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: nah, it's to make sure that I don't type something on the server which I expect to be on my own laptop, which I'm connecting from < 1500078128 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1500078129 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1500078130 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to actually do damage that way (probably possible), but it can be very confusing < 1500078150 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because things I expect to be there just aren't (like ssh keys and programs) < 1500078170 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the easiest is to shut down. I actually set up custom aliases of the form "foohalt" and "fooreboot" that are like halt and reboot but only on the machine named foo < 1500078205 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, sort of. they're not exactly equivalent to /sbin/halt but almost the same) < 1500078210 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had trouble with that because it would take very bizarre circumstances to shut down my own laptop from a graphical terminal < 1500078224 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were an emergency, I'd be using the text terminal or REISUO; if it's a routine shutdown, I'd use the GUI < 1500078237 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1500078258 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1500078267 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500078302 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500078998 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500079657 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500082713 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1500082713 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500082877 0 :wob_jonas!b03f184a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.74 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1500083468 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is urbit a running gag now. < 1500083475 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it isn't it should be. < 1500083703 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1500083757 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1500084375 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500084901 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TORSADED CHICKEN < 1500086418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn torsaded < 1500086419 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "torsaded". < 1500087090 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg manager < 1500087097 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8208:2016-05-29 learn Manager FAQ (by seebs) at http://www.seebs.net/faqs/manager.html < 1500087435 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes I think they are aligned in a different coordinate system; the constellations are defined for B1875 but the coordinates in those file are J2000. < 1500087821 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: bedtime < 1500087986 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Niter < 1500092131 0 :dos!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500092359 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1500092457 0 :dos!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1500095402 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1500096333 0 :dos!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500096470 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500096516 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500096873 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1500097695 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500104071 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1500105765 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1500105851 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1500107978 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:903a:e5e6:2747:8090 JOIN :#esoteric < 1500109421 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:903a:e5e6:2747:8090 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1500110228 0 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500112500 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:c2a:942e:9eed:21ef JOIN :#esoteric < 1500114238 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hi\n14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52428&oldid=52426 5* 03Destructible watermelon 5* (+1563) 10Undo revision 52426 by [[Special:Contributions/Xavo|Xavo]] ([[User talk:Xavo|talk]]) < 1500115252 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1500118273 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrading debian from jessie to stretch I saw a line saying "deconfiguring udev (broken by systemd)". Scary. < 1500119200 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched to the systemd persistent network interface names on this box, though "eno1" still looks a little weird. < 1500119302 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1500119304 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1500119337 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1500119352 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(0:).scanl(+)1 < 1500119354 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1500119670 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have seen ens33 on some box for the first wired interface < 1500119677 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ubuntu 16.04 iirc < 1500119695 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been a VM < 1500119909 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will do "enoX" for on-board (== getting an interface index from firmware), "ensX" for pcie hotplug slots (and I think some virtualized things as well), "enpXsY" for PCI device by location, "enpXsYuZuWuQ..." for a chain of USB ports. < 1500119965 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian installed some stuff in /etc/systemd/network/ to disable the thing for my Xen guest, with some comments about there being some weirdness going on with virtual interfaces. < 1500120007 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of course it was doubly moot since it also won't do anything if you still have matching /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules lines.) < 1500120137 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on "udevadm info /sys/class/net/eth0" output, I think my VPS's network interface would call itself "ens3" if it wasn't for that. < 1500120726 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm magic. < 1500120731 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much magic. < 1500120757 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have systemd and the interface is still called eth0. I'm not complaining, but why... < 1500120781 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be more unexpected the other way around. < 1500120799 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The names I mentioned were the systemd names, the kernel names are still the ethX they've long been. < 1500120884 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, down there: E: INTERFACE=eth0 ... fine < 1500120980 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( but why is this done by systemd rather than udev anyway ) < 1500121032 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I mean they could just teach udev to use ID_NET_NAME_PATH for the interface name. It would probably be a simple rule. ) < 1500121060 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52429&oldid=52010 5* 03Primo 5* (+0) 10/* 100-149 */ soft-wrapping is never necessary for 3-cells, other values updated for consistency < 1500121131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52430&oldid=52429 5* 03Primo 5* (+0) 10/* 150-199 */ soft-wrapping is never necessary for 3-cells, other values updated for consistency < 1500121265 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might've had an argument for that, though I forget what it was. < 1500121277 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52431&oldid=52430 5* 03Primo 5* (-229) 10/* 200-255 */ soft-wrapping is never necessary for 3-cells, other values updated for consistency < 1500121281 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be just that systemd/udev developers don't really like to think of them as separate things. < 1500121324 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1500121470 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sad thing is that you're probably right. But I hate it.) < 1500121548 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ calls it "systemd/udev" a whole lot. < 1500121571 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With systemd 197 we have added native support for a number of different naming policies into systemd/udevd proper" "same on all distributions that adopted systemd/udev" and so on. < 1500121615 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because that's not udevd; they have their own < 1500121838 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not right either; my "systemd-less" VM is running /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon < 1500121902 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they merged them all into a single codebase. < 1500121925 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it appears they did do that < 1500121947 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they'll incrementally make it harder and harder to use udev without the rest of systemd. < 1500122602 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :systemd is a cancer, it gets everywhere. I think that's the main reason I hate it. That and I have to relearn things with no (immediate) benefit to me. < 1500122664 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The core dump interception is perhaps the bit that has me bitten the hardest so far. It can be turned off, but first one has to figure out *why* the core dumps are no longer produced the way they used to be.) < 1500122727 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also no big fan of the system journal; I like perusing text files. < 1500122766 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is an irrational being at heart :P < 1500122790 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of "something's happening, and I have no idea where it's configured" going on there. < 1500122877 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh right, builtin policies. I wanted to configure my laptop so that it wouldn't go to sleep when the lid is closed while it's in a docking station... I don't think I managed, but it's been a while since I really tried.) < 1500122903 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I *do* want it to sleep when the lid is closed while it's running on battery.) < 1500123277 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, UEFI is bugged after upgrade. No boot device found < 1500123288 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :booting from USB stick now to fix it < 1500123298 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1500123302 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, unlucky. < 1500123303 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun :-/ < 1500123307 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1500123317 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Worked fine for me." < 1500123330 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :Guest28947 < 1500123363 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, I only get screen on the right monitor using this on this USB stick. Fuck nvidia maybe < 1500123380 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1500123490 0 :Guest28947!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Changing host < 1500123490 0 :Guest28947!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1500123490 0 :Guest28947!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1500123546 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay unplugged that monitor, rebooted. Now I get an "incompatible input timing" message on my main monitor < 1500123547 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1500123585 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1500123607 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( No boot device found, is that coming from the BIOS or later? I've had trouble telling the BIOS about a new configuration from Linux; had to search for it in the BIOS setup itself. But I don't fully understand this ... basically I'm just glad I got it to work. ) < 1500123626 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is from the UEFI/BIOS < 1500123843 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I'm saying is that going through the BIOS' boot setup *may* be necessary to get things to work, because that has happened to me. This is anecdotal, not scientific. < 1500123916 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers: not an exact science. < 1500123940 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :since red hat sells training and consulting, it only makes sense for it to make systemd as complicated as possible < 1500123976 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the output from efibootmgr is borked. Didn't list any EFI based debian < 1500124000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day I briefly unplugged one monitor, and after plugging it back (until the next reboot), xscreensaver's screen-blanking only blanked about 90% of the screen, leaving about one fifth of the left monitor's left edge showing whatever was there before locking the screen. < 1500124001 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess what I'm saying is that going through the BIOS' boot setup *may* be necessary to get things to work, because that has happened to me. This is anecdotal, not scientific. <-- can't do it from there, have to do it from live USB < 1500124007 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case < 1500124049 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well this display works normally, but from the stripped down system rescue CD apparently. < 1500124055 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame nvidia < 1500124103 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks much better in efibootmgr now, hopefully the info is correct too < 1500124115 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when switching to the GLVND variant of the non-free nvidia driver, I had to install both libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx and libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx, which are two different packages. < 1500124252 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my nvidia card is too new to be supported by non-free drivers (at least for 3D acceleration) last I looked < 1500124261 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err by the free I mean < 1500124277 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the glvnd thing? < 1500124309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/NVIDIA/libglvnd -- they make two variants of their binary driver nowadays, with and without that. < 1500124321 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez, ACP and LVM errors from super-early kernel/initramfs < 1500124347 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat < 1500124398 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it's good for, but an "nvidia-vulkan-common" upgrade (on Debian testing) was listed as conflicting with the non-GLVND variant. < 1500124566 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1500124643 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, the new version of debian auto-mounted a data disk with NTFS as rw under /media// < 1500124656 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the system (C:) partition though < 1500124707 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "udisksctl mount -b /dev/..." to mount removable media, and can never tell how it decides between /media/usb0 and /media//