< 1502410487 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502410619 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, what are the best examples of self-replicating computer program generation system that developed using an esoteric programming language? < 1502410710 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by best, I mean the ones with most successful results (generated most complex programs) < 1502410794 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*specifically using Turing tarpit languages < 1502411395 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode. < 1502411429 0 :Mr2001!18071b12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.7.27.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502411730 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Redcode? < 1502411830 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :redcode, the programming language for CoreWar. < 1502411879 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire idea is "battling programs", and thus, replication. < 1502411967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1887@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thus"? battling programs don't necessarily have to involve replication < 1502411980 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1887@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have one program battling one < 1502411992 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1887@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't try to set it up like that's a clear consequence < 1502412025 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1887@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr Smith replicated, but normal agents don't do that < 1502412127 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1887@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.135 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1502412760 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: for Redcode it says not even Turing Complete. < 1502412790 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I'm looking for the state-of-art. < 1502412823 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502412896 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is the self-replication example in the lowest leve possible? in Assembly for example. < 1502412914 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lowest level < 1502412971 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking that because I couldn't find any example beyond a toy (printing to console and not doing any real life tasks) < 1502413020 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the state of the art". < 1502413097 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a self-replicating system targeting x86 assembly language for example, can be useful < 1502413107 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why self replication, exactly. < 1502413122 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :go play with von neumann CAs in golly. < 1502413135 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, redcode is turing complete. < 1502413275 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to have something in mind, perhaps consider sharing with us. < 1502413328 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: "state-of-the-art" is also valid (the was missing though :D). https://esolangs.org/wiki/Redcode says it's (almost) Turing Complete. < 1502413345 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in the same way that every modern computer is (almost) a turing machine. < 1502413359 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we live in finite memory spaces. turing machines require infinite memory. < 1502413398 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of that, I'm wondering why you're seeking self-replication. there was some work on.. god what was it.. robust-first computing. < 1502413433 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hwO8Q_TyCA&list=PLm5k2NUmpIP-4ekppm6JoAqZ1BLXZOztE here's an entire playlist of talks and presentations on it. < 1502413449 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't satiate you, you might have some other idea in mind. < 1502413682 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I was just wondering around about self-replication in computers and biology for a while. I found DNA codon table (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_codon_table) and languages like Brainfuck or DNA# (https://esolangs.org/wiki/DNA-Sharp) are very similar yet far away from being useful. < 1502413732 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. and that's mainly because we don't really have use for things that have the ability to replicate. < 1502413778 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"robust-first computing" is kind of like what you're searching for. multiple agents with biological feedback systems working towards a real goal, like sorting an array. < 1502413804 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: because the encapsulation has been made by manual coding from CPU architecture to your desktop environment is making Turing tarpit languages useless. < 1502413827 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1502413838 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. it's more "why would I want to write a program that replicates itself or has the capability to replicate if it doesn't contribute to the end goal of my project." < 1502413858 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your goal is to write worms, then sure. if your goal is to do some creative stuff with distributed systems, then sure. < 1502413938 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong. case studies in evolution applied to programs produce interesting results, but it's not generally useful. < 1502413990 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes with self-replicating programs. < 1502414003 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502414007 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: the thing that it's not possible to mimic biologic replication in a high level computer code. This was the thing I was trying to say. < 1502414020 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you say that but it's definitely possible. < 1502414041 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mimic biologic replication", you mean replication with mutation? that's entirely the point of.. well, genetic algorithms. < 1502414048 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :when applied to programs, of course. < 1502414110 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was even a simulator that provided a circular string of DNA embedded with operations on a stack machine, and some of those were operations that did replication/modification of the original string. < 1502414117 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can find it. < 1502414117 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I know what genetic algorithms are. < 1502414166 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: you know the amino acids are the most basic building blocks of a protein. < 1502414179 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm very well aware of that. < 1502414203 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :as should anybody who's taken a biology course in highschool. < 1502414364 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: and what a protein is doing a cell? It's a procedure(function) in a cell. Every protein does certain tasks and there are protein complexes that you can imagine as a procedure made of from multiple functions. < 1502414391 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: everything is possible with 20 amino acids in total. < 1502414409 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, it's a useful abstraction, sure. though I don't really see your point. < 1502414511 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: now imagine a microprocessor architecture with 20 instructions in its assembly language. < 1502414532 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: that's the same thing in theory right? < 1502414614 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. useful abstraction, but it doesn't cut it. < 1502414671 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: what I'm trying to say is it's more of a hardware and encapsulation problem than an algorithmic problem. Encapsulation creating a barrier. < 1502414695 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: what do you mean with does not cut it? < 1502414697 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :barrier to what? nothing stops us from mimicing mutation and replication on a fixed alphabet which stands for instructions. < 1502414709 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502414710 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, it's what genetic algorithms were invented to do. < 1502414736 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't cut it because cellular mechanics are far more complicated than "proteins are just function calls". proteins don't do anything. < 1502414747 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: barrier in front to the advancement of this field (self-replicating programs). < 1502414749 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by themselves, anyway. < 1502414773 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. no. there's nothing stopping you from simulating a bonafide genome. people do it all the time. plenty of resources on genetic algorithms around. < 1502414823 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :go research protein folding. that will show you where exactly your analogy breaks down. < 1502414887 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to say but the idea isn't useful generally. you're not going to suddenly apply a genetic algorithm to x86 machine code and out pops a cyborg. :P < 1502414900 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, you can apply GAs to useful optimization problems. < 1502415167 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simulating and mimicking are different concepts. With DNA simulation you create better DNA (the target is biology) but with DNA mimicking you create better program (the target is computers). < 1502415184 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :..simulating and mimicking are the same thing. < 1502415203 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current self-replication technologies are unable to surpass manual coding. < 1502415228 0 :Antoxyde_!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-74-48.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1502415245 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But biologic self-replication is able to surpass manual coding of DNA. < 1502415313 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacteria create better bacteria before your computational biology techniques, so nature surpass. < 1502415376 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not useful = Will not be invested < 1502415432 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502415547 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: also you said proteins are function calls not functions itself. So where the program is stored for those functions? If you are talking about mitochondria there is mitochondria DNA :) < 1502415557 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1502415570 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mitochondrial DNA < 1502415656 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your original question wasn't really a question. you just had an idea in mind and wanted to expound on it. < 1502415707 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: no I'm just investigating the frontier. < 1502415725 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. sure. < 1502415735 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun with uh.. whatever your intent is. < 1502415801 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I'm ultimately looking for the self-replication in the lowest level possible (and its usefulness). < 1502416087 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1502416657 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502416928 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502417202 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arguing with someone about language. He wants an example of where A is true B is true and A "and" B is false < 1502417325 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. as in, "A&B" behaves like "!(A&B)"? < 1502417397 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“if (A) { if (B) { /* something */ } }” is isomorphic to “if (A && B) { /* something */ }”. < 1502417410 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isomorphic? < 1502417410 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *could* express something like you said, but it wouldn't be logically sound. < 1502417422 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. some word to that effect. < 1502417437 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to isomorphism, I guess >_>'... < 1502417621 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What isomorphism? < 1502417802 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hmms. < 1502417874 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a file with QuickTime movies in it, and I try to pull out one movie, and it's just sound and half the sound is coherent and half is static, where did I screw up? < 1502417875 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always the case that “if (A) { /* asdf */ } if (B) { /* asdf */ }” is the same as “if (A && B) { /* asdf asdf */ }”? < 1502417885 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, how do I not get either pure static or the coherent thing I'm looking for? < 1502417889 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... half? < 1502417904 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502418159 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap I got something to work < 1502418281 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love that moment. < 1502418580 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to expand on this < 1502418593 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replaced everything before the first mdat with a huge skip atom < 1502418738 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502418743 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I now know how to point this 300MB file to various things within it < 1502418760 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could do some sort of "change file + run conversion tool" thing < 1502418776 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1502418780 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi aaronduino < 1502418809 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added a language to the wiki (AsciiDots)? Anything else I should do? < 1502418819 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(categorical stuff, etc) < 1502418865 0 :mertyildiran!a5e38125@gateway/web/freenode/ip.165.227.129.37 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1502419065 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you go on ppcg? < 1502419106 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98980.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1502419110 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1502419179 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a favorite esolang? < 1502419546 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1502420188 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ZEITGEIST CHICKEN < 1502420780 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1502421069 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1502421088 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1502421502 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502421534 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1502421535 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1502421536 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502421536 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502421536 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502421824 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1502421847 0 :sdhand!?@? 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NICK :sdhand < 1502427973 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Changing host < 1502427973 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1502432613 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1502432965 0 :zseri!5e86cbdb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.203.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502433654 0 :zseri!5e86cbdb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.203.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502433961 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this, it's warmer in Göteburg than in Innsbruck :P < 1502433971 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar esgg < 1502433972 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESGG 110520Z 19006KT 9999 VCFG SCT011 13/12 Q1016 < 1502433973 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1502433974 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 110520Z VRB01KT 9999 -SHRA FEW005 SCT016 FEW050CB BKN055 12/11 Q1016 TEMPO SHRA < 1502436421 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Oh noes I ded < 1502440974 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else is up at this ungodly hour. < 1502441457 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1502441970 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1502443370 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1502444833 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502445308 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1502447322 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1502448705 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1502448888 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1502449078 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502449317 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-74-48.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1502449361 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1502449644 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1502451285 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502451983 0 :zseri!5e86cbdb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.203.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502451994 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1502452161 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1502453931 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1502454297 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1502454553 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: LACTOSE CHICKEN < 1502455208 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502457549 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1502457549 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1502457549 0 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :*.net *.split < 1502457630 0 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1502457652 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1502457747 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502457883 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1502458420 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1502460795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Jordan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52695 5* 03Jordan 5* (+68) 10Created page with "My SE account: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/72169/jordan" < 1502460910 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502461007 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502461461 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1502462384 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@cpe-107-11-5-29.columbus.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1502462384 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@cpe-107-11-5-29.columbus.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1502462384 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502462848 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1502462935 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1502462999 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1502463900 0 :hkgit03!c30d29dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.195.13.41.220 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1502464486 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1502464834 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502467168 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1502467393 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1502467918 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502468977 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1502469274 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1502469771 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1502470004 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1502470170 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1206:45b8:4a31:2185:e34d:13dc:ec8b JOIN :#esoteric < 1502471068 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1502472009 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1502472024 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have posted a corrected version of MIXPC, and now there is also some new features, and includes an assembler. < 1502472030 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The assembler is a separate program) < 1502472164 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1502472307 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MIX (Knuth)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52696&oldid=52648 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+206) 10 < 1502473028 0 :zseri!5e86cbdb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.134.203.219 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1502473499 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4000:46b5:534:b755:ed45:6ebe JOIN :#esoteric < 1502473561 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1502473742 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502474150 0 :GeekDude!?@? NICK :MrRobato < 1502474167 0 :MrRobato!?@? NICK :MrRoboto < 1502474415 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1502474460 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1502474793 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4000:46b5:534:b755:ed45:6ebe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1502475132 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1502475556 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1206:45b8:4a31:2185:e34d:13dc:ec8b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1502475731 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4000:46b5:99bd:421:9195:dc6f JOIN :#esoteric < 1502475990 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:4000:46b5:99bd:421:9195:dc6f QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1502477061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1502477309 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1502477322 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is including one example program which is the guess number game. It uses the random number extension and music extension of MIXPC. < 1502477458 0 :augur!~augur@104.236.181.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502478627 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1502479033 0 :augur_!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502479223 0 :augur!~augur@104.236.181.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1502479389 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1502479424 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1502479787 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1502479885 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502480483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502480779 0 :zseri!4d16fd62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.22.253.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502482257 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1502482659 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1502483174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an obvious guess who vanamonde is thinking of in today's girl genius. < 1502483457 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a character called that in an Arthur C. Clarke novel, The City and the Stars. < 1502483465 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't read the comic in years now.) < 1502483496 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the foglios tend to shout out a bit... < 1502483531 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *gasp* < 1502483549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1502483554 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:monads//Monads are just free monad monad monad algebras. \ wat//ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው። \ programmer's googol//A programmer's googol is equal to 10^100, or 110 \ help//Help is on the way. We don't know where the way is, though. You might try `help inste < 1502483556 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1502483556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ad. \ lystrosaur//The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic. < 1502483562 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I tend to miss the obvious, what's your guess? < 1502483589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a certain gentleman adventurer. < 1502483600 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1502483605 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1502483616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1502483680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does fit perfectly, also he's in half the other side stories... < 1502483691 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a gold penny have the same mass as a silver penny? < 1502483723 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i suspect that both may have varied over time. < 1502483814 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1502483832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they too small to be gold or silver? but that may have varied too... < 1502483906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The gold penny was a medieval English coin with a value of twenty pence." < 1502483953 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bob has 140 pounds worth of money. I am assuming the mass is the same, so that if it is all gold coins then it will weigh 7 pounds. < 1502483987 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Until the reign of King Henry III of England (1216–1272), any need in England for coins worth more than one penny, at the time a silver coin, was met by the use of Byzantine or Arabic gold and silver coins which circulated among merchants and traders." < 1502484501 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but still do you know? This is in a GURPS game I play in, the GM said one NPC has 140 pounds worth of money, but apparently in gold (or maybe I misunderstood him), so I assume that the total weight of the money is 7 pounds, and can notify him about it, but for simplicity we could assume the coins have the same weight anyways, even if it isn't historically accurate (if GM agrees), but still I am curious to know if it actually is or not. < 1502484652 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1502484926 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1502484935 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always assumed gold to be more worth than silver per weight. < 1502484971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it's just denser... < 1502484995 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know, anyway. < 1502485036 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, _reliably_ minted money can be more worth than its base material. < 1502485094 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This website prices gold at $41.59/g and silver at $0.55/g < 1502485099 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. close < 1502485104 0 :zseri!4d16fd62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.22.253.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502485117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. not at all... < 1502485133 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you miss a digit < 1502485144 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's two orders of magnitude difference. < 1502485157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1502485181 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows if that was the case in medieval times, though... < 1502485188 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a price for mithril? < 1502485205 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also which marriage anniversary year is that?) < 1502485232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eleventy, obviously. < 1502485312 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1502485322 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or should it be eleventy-one < 1502485417 0 :zseri!4d16fd62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.22.253.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502485476 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1502485493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Do you like Matt Levine? < 1502485963 0 :Xav_!5504ee0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.238.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502485989 0 :Xav_!5504ee0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.238.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1502486259 0 :Xav_!5504ee0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.4.238.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1502487542 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502487566 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest90542 < 1502487646 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PART #esoteric :"I just realized I don't talk here. I wonder why." < 1502487661 0 :Guest90542!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1502487672 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@2a02:748:a800:ca7:ea75:b12d:51:a5c3 QUIT :Changing host < 1502487672 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1502487794 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502487894 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" also what is the self-replication example in the lowest possible? in Assembly for example." => an example is probably those very short viruses for early DOS systems that stayed in memory and copied themselves into the disk file of any com or exe program you ran < 1502487994 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's the degenerate case, but that's boring < 1502488034 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502488288 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1502488321 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1502488322 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1502488327 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1502488328 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just free monad monad monad algebras. < 1502488567 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i've always assumed gold to be more worth than silver per weight." => definitely worth much more than silver. < 1502488603 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1502488881 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1502488921 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold is also more amazing and rarer on Earth than silver < 1502488995 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : who else is up at this ungodly hour. <-- not me hth < 1502489045 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan < 1502489046 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Fri Aug 11 23:04:05 2017 < 1502489066 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not the same hour hth < 1502489068 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Esoteric Operating System14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52697&oldid=45237 5* 03Xav737 5* (+1472) 10Add a suggestion for a file structure < 1502489079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you saying this hour is godly? < 1502489087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not. < 1502489196 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently few others were, as now i've finished the logs. < 1502489216 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan hungers for logs < 1502489307 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rolls down stairs / Alone or in pairs, / And over your neighbor's dog? < 1502489319 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how is your neighbour's dog < 1502489322 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" No, it's two orders of magnitude difference." => wait, really? I thought the difference was somewhat less than that. wow. < 1502489338 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Going by the prices I quoted above. < 1502489346 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I understadn < 1502489402 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gold is still cheaper than any of its cousins (iridium, platium, osmium, rhenium, tungsten) right? < 1502489408 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1206:45b8:4a31:286f:853a:ee8a:d9ef JOIN :#esoteric < 1502489410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i'm not sure they currently have one, so i guess it's silent if it exists. < 1502489441 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there have been a couple bad days. < 1502489506 0 :zseri!4d16fd62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.22.253.98 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1502489543 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :An intermittent dog < 1502489550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/dog < 1502489551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/dog: No such file or directory < 1502489553 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait tungsten is a precious metal? < 1502489554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1502489601 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "precious metal" is defined differently by any two people. I consider it precious because it has the highest melting point among all metals, higher than even rhenium < 1502489605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AsciiDots14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52698&oldid=52693 5* 03IanO 5* (+142) 10/* External Resources */ < 1502489657 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1206:45b8:4a31:286f:853a:ee8a:d9ef QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1502489758 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider all metals precious, except zinc. < 1502489798 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh? don't you mean all metals except iron and maybe cobalt? because that would be sort of a sensible definition < 1502489809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, iron is precious. < 1502489819 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's way more iron on Earth than ANYTHING ELSE, by mass < 1502489821 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that was meant to be a sensible definition < 1502489833 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said anything about the Earth? < 1502489841 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every other metal is rare compared to iron < 1502489852 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aluminum is extremely precious, just ask louis napoleon < 1502489854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there more aluminium than iron? < 1502489875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did say by mass. < 1502489891 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By mass. < 1502489931 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the earth is basically a big ball of iron, with some dirt layer on the surface. the surface may have more aluminum atoms (not in atomic form) than iron, but if you go deeper (which we can't really do because the pressure kills us) it's all iron (and maybe some cobalt) < 1502489935 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how about all the metallic hydrogen (theoretically) in jupiter? < 1502489951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? precious < 1502489952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precious? That doesn't ring a bell. ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1502489960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this page is about the crust. < 1502489965 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm already has a ring pun < 1502489979 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and there's almost no metalic aluminum in the ground, practically all of it is refined by men < 1502489996 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not surprising because it's that sort of junk semimetal, it doesn't like remaining in metalic form much < 1502490001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which men? < 1502490008 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mankind in general < 1502490025 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly in the last few hundred years < 1502490037 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that people didn't know a cheap way to refine it < 1502490094 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tungsten is also not a precious metal. < 1502490103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a shame because it could have been tg < 1502490117 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1502490154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm afraid stephen got to select its abbreviation hth < 1502490174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tungsten < 1502490175 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tungsten? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1502490179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wolfram < 1502490180 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him. < 1502490208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does tungsten have to do with cellular automata? < 1502490228 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's more like that back when they decided the abbreviations, English wasn't yet the most frequent language used in science, so they use german and latin and french and russian and swedish and whatever names instead. < 1502490257 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "tungsten" is a Swedish name. < 1502490262 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they should've used it. < 1502490273 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the swedes don't. < 1502490287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, they donated that word to English. < 1502490330 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently tungsten _is_ used in jewelry. < 1502490397 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonguesten < 1502490485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tungsten is unique amongst the elements in that it has been the subject of patent proceedings. In 1928, a US court rejected General Electric's attempt to patent it, overturning U.S. Patent 1,082,933 granted in 1913 to William D. Coolidge." < 1502490523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's only used for piercings hth < 1502490721 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understandable < 1502490777 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502490782 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds strange. I mean, patent trolls have tried to patent basically anything, whether it makes sense or not < 1502490792 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come it's the only element where they did that? < 1502490828 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1502490836 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, after the first one, there's a precedent set < 1502490847 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I bet GE had some role in its discovery < 1502490868 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, aaronduino < 1502490873 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, nope < 1502490874 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, Tabeb < 1502490878 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Taneb < 1502490918 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any people here who do ppcg? < 1502490925 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1502490936 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronduino: some people used to at least < 1502490940 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I read it < 1502490945 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :never submitted anything < 1502490952 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1502490980 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of starting, but was wondering how stdin works if your esolang of choice only accepts numbers through stdin < 1502490997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last submission was July 30 < 1502491021 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a thread about acceptable input types < 1502491037 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1502491049 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is < 1502491051 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1502491069 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure how it treats something _that_ weird. < 1502491106 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1502491123 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the ;# challenges < 1502491139 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronduino: you might try to ask such policy questions on their chat. < 1502491151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, like INTERCAL? < 1502491156 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some reputation before you can chat. < 1502491169 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: INTERCAL has binary I/O, it's just awkward. < 1502491176 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got 101 from coming from stackoverflow < 1502491179 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(101 rep) < 1502491212 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh SO is enough, i don't think the chat cares which SE site you're from < 1502491220 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common system. < 1502491225 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1502491230 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the chat IS partitioned to three parts actually < 1502491237 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1502491249 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stack overflow chat, stack exchange meta chat, and everything else < 1502491256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't follow the chat much, only logged on for specific occasions. < 1502491256 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1502491271 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the reputation you get from stack overflow might still allow you to chat on the general chat < 1502491279 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1502491282 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that, because I don't care much about stack overflow < 1502491303 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, chat needs very little rep, so you can get it easily even without that < 1502491335 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the partitioning is more so that chat moderators are different on the three slices < 1502491345 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1502491345 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not for excluding people from chatting altogether < 1502491381 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1502491423 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaronduino: i don't think your language is famous enough to get a wikipedia article yet hth < 1502491437 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1502491450 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec < 1502491468 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a esolang.org < 1502491470 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :page < 1502491480 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not saying its famous, tho) < 1502491494 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made a red link to it from wikipedia's esolang page. < 1502491527 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool! < 1502491540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not entirely sure it's even famous enough for a section there, but i'm generally not involving myself in _that_ question. < 1502491540 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1502491600 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm. 2602:306:31ab:c4b0:454c:258:f30e:636 < 1502491628 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it. Thx < 1502491657 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(running on <8 hrs of sleep total for a week right now) < 1502491683 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's still too hot < 1502491696 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1502491702 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1502491729 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleeep < 1502491735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find it hard to sleep because of the aftereffects of the hot weather, even if it's starting to become somewhat less hot now < 1502491761 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1502491768 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me its just TV. < 1502491773 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until 4 am < 1502491848 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just saw that you proved turing-completeness of ///. That really cool! < 1502491982 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? string replacement languages like /// were known to be turing complete for very long ago, before the era of esolangs. Knuth actually mentions one of them early in TAOCP even. < 1502492005 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its still hard to make a specific proof < 1502492013 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1502492078 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's specifically easy to compile turing machines to it < 1502492090 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: but were they string replacement languages like thue, or like /// ? < 1502492103 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* aaronduino realized how much of a noob he is < 1502492140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part with /// is that it has no separation between data and program. < 1502492152 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh... let me check what /// does < 1502492155 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah < 1502492162 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like thue, I think < 1502492286 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... in that case /// might be trickier < 1502492335 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you essentially cannot get any true while loop going without quining techniques. < 1502492344 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1502492349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as we know. < 1502492367 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see < 1502492376 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry then, I was wrong above < 1502492382 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of more like thue < 1502492391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :APOLOGY ACCEPTED < 1502492470 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to read more about ///; it's crazy < 1502492691 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc User:Nthern also has made some impressive /// programs. < 1502492755 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. what do they do? < 1502492764 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1502492782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1502492783 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:173) oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better? \ 185) clue is a language for beauty, not usefulness or ability to run at all ability to run at all is not even close to a design goal, no \ 32) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that \ 659) [...] So if someone tells you "you're worth your weight in Ethernet", it's likely they think your worth is less than $2k. \ 863) shachaf: contrary to common belief, #esoteric is not really "a channel for crazy people", but has (ostensibly) a topic... is beaky from finland? < 1502492833 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Nthern/archive#Thue-to-.2F.2F.2F_translator < 1502492846 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a Thue-to-Frie translator twh < 1502492871 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1502492902 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1502492982 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm thinking of proving asciidots' turing-completeness using bct. Any tips? < 1502493012 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know asciidots < 1502493038 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, it < 1502493048 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1502493074 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a functional language with a pointer that holds 2 variables < 1502493085 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, any tips at all would help < 1502493112 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tbh, i don't really know what I'm doing0 < 1502493145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easiest way to prove tc-ness depends a lot on what data structures your language has. < 1502493177 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1502493180 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1502493183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have bignum integers, i recommend fractran or the like. < 1502493204 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have first class functions, i recommend SKI calculus. < 1502493210 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look into those < 1502493215 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. fractran < 1502493233 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1502493245 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. fractran is crazy < 1502493258 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Come on, there were a bunch of great puns you didn't swat me for. < 1502493258 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the collatz functions, which sometimes fits better to a language than fractran does.) < 1502493261 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now you swat me for this? < 1502493276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disappointed. < 1502493277 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you probably were too subtle hth < 1502493451 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've gtg. Too much procrastinating today :) < 1502493455 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1502493460 0 :aaronduino!47ca4036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.202.64.54 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1502493683 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1502494942 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1502495732 0 :wob_jonas!b03f185d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.93 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client