< 1505002081 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505002350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1505002621 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505003053 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505003271 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505003281 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505003407 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505004199 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505004497 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505006135 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505006222 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505009725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505011574 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505011907 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505012213 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505012466 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1505013517 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505013961 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505014279 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Oh noes I ded < 1505014826 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think punching only the top position is a ampersand, and the MIX character set does not have a ampersand, which makes it difficult to use with MIX if you are using a single hole in one column to represent a month. Specifying amount of money in pence will still be possible though since it only goes from 0 to 11. < 1505014846 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, wait, I am wrong.) < 1505014855 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since, it uses top position to mean 10 instead of 12) < 1505016515 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505017170 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1505017284 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505017500 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505017560 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505018135 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505018825 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505019439 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505020377 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the "spider and fly" puzzle involving the shorest distance along the faces of a cube. How to do with the cells of a tesseract? < 1505020587 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505020879 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505023441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505023803 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505023867 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505024143 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505024409 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ozvpamuzlcjgirbv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1505025023 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505025555 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org seems down again. < 1505025768 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505025830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah HackEgo croaked too < 1505025859 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you'll have to steer the ship alone now < 1505025859 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the t-rex chases, of all places, t-rex, but t-rex explained how the bank that only i was a mutant with a fully-formed extra hand growing out of the base of my spine! if i had an " e", an " x", and so on, to infinity people in it showed a ghostly words written on a slip of paper! < 1505025935 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505026609 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1505027115 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505027267 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505027362 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505027377 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505027387 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505027559 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1505027898 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505028649 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505029163 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably stop using the heaviside step function as a response curve. < 1505030185 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505030363 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505030611 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505030766 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1505030905 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505031178 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505032081 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505032136 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505032317 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the response curve of what? < 1505032416 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like Edwards curves? < 1505032485 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is Edwards curves? < 1505032701 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505033681 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1505033849 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A type of elliptic curve. < 1505033853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like elliptic curves? < 1505034210 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /ignore -channels #esoteric -pattern 'Do you like' ) < 1505034287 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505034400 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, is that a roundabout way of asking whether we like djb? < 1505034426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1505034451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's certainly overrepresented in what I've read about elliptic curve cryptography, which isn't much. < 1505034472 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But his arguments for Edwards curves seem reasonable. Are there other arguments I should know about? < 1505034580 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I thought the arguments he made were persuasive, too. < 1505034878 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505035185 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505035663 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505036403 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I did like https://cr.yp.to/patents/tarzian.html < 1505036672 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn JOIN :#esoteric < 1505036678 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone used autolisp? < 1505037595 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :From AutoCAD? Not I. < 1505037606 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1505037658 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505038341 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505038444 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505038539 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505038583 0 :fuyu!~fuyu@103.225.139.254 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505038802 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505038976 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've just ordered Hardy and Wright's An Introduction to the Theory of Numbers because apparently I like spending money on textbooks now that I've graduated < 1505039342 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505039536 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :addicted to learning :P < 1505040178 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much :D < 1505040212 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It totally isn't because one of my friends is catching me up on Project Euler < 1505040478 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1505040537 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time for me to unoxford < 1505040546 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I'm home already < 1505040549 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good trip < 1505040552 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1505040558 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meeting a friend for lunch in London < 1505040619 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm: it seems unlikely that I'll catch up on PE, ever. Now missing almost 370 problems) < 1505041039 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I may have forgotten my password as well, yay < 1505042018 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505042815 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1505044281 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505045062 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505045093 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I just got the most horrible troll of an idea for an esolang < 1505045108 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to implement this < 1505045339 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( brainfuck with all commands represented by the same symbol, chosen at random during runtime? ) < 1505045592 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no. this is one about that parody I want to make about a newbie esolanger trying to make a language and an interpreter < 1505046051 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I was trying to think of how to write an interpreter that differs from the specification in an interesting way that is also realistic from a newbie. The interpreter can't just be completely useless or missing most of the language, because while that's realistic, it's not interesting. But the differences also have to cripple the language, < 1505046052 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hard to make realistic. < 1505046073 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I realized exactly how I could do this. This is tricky to write, but it will be worth. < 1505046085 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's an underhanded esolang < 1505046093 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1505046217 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :liars. "We use cookies so that Dropbox works for you." < 1505046233 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to look like a stupid esolang from the specs, and has to be a completely differently stupid esolang if you actually try to run the interpreter < 1505046309 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Of course you could also try the opposite, a non-TC esolang that due to a programming error becomes a TC strange machine (ideally in a machine independent way; otherwise you'd just need a buffer overflow or other vulnerability somewhere) < 1505046323 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1505046370 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the implemented esolang might still be TC, it will just be restricted way more than the specs intends to restrict it < 1505046387 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's much less convenient to program it than it seems from the spec and the examples < 1505046481 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505047139 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I could even make it work on windows only, as a bonus < 1505047154 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or work differently on windows and linux < 1505047169 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwhahahahah < 1505047638 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505047967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplatform differences would make testing a bit trickier for me, I might have to ask help from other people. < 1505048388 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will also make the interpreter horribly inefficient for real computations, and get away with it because today's computers are fast enough that I can run toy examples quickly < 1505048412 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean so inefficient that I will scream inside as I read my own source code < 1505048430 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think that bothers most people much less < 1505048524 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I'll have to put the code on github < 1505048531 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what a newbie would do < 1505048539 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can put jokes in the version control history too < 1505049001 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you could unroll a loop too, to improve efficiency ) < 1505049434 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea how github works, but hopefully I'll figure it out < 1505049458 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using github is something a newbie would do, right? they teach that in schools these days or something < 1505049475 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best practices version control and github is the most popular version control system or something < 1505049489 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505049499 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :git is a VCS, github is just a place that hosts repositories < 1505049505 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, or perhaps bitbucket < 1505049525 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit annoying it's become defacto standard < 1505049527 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put your homework on github so all the other students in the class can copy it easily < 1505049529 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though gitlab exists I guess < 1505049564 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should try that in fact, making the language an obvious fork from another student's homework < 1505049599 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you may be reaching the point where you're trying to do too many things at once ) < 1505049603 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the name in a comment at top changed < 1505049608 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1505049617 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this probably works better if it's not a homework actually < 1505049656 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the teacher would hopefully at least teach something useful about interpreters and maybe look at the students' code and give them advice or something (yeah, I know it doesn't always work like that) < 1505049663 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hobby project by a single person is better < 1505049691 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's homework, they wouldn't come to esolangs.org and talk about anyway < 1505049698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's copied homework that is < 1505049720 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I will use github, but in a home way < 1505050141 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505050687 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505050750 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505051618 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505052017 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505052048 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505052796 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:38:41e4:3dfe:291e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505052988 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8007:e6a6:3e2d:98d0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505053857 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505054101 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rwnlcsbwsgecuhby JOIN :#esoteric < 1505054305 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@ip24-253-137-236.hr.hr.cox.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1505056632 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1505057184 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1505060970 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505062054 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdnnz2mk7c3rb3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1505062158 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505062566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505062575 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505063516 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1505063528 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1505063567 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I've started to figure out how I can do the interpreter part of this esolang parody thing < 1505063602 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had trouble with it because I didn't have any memories of trying to write a bad parser before I knew how to write at least a working parser < 1505063616 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think now I successfully got in the mindset, and know some core ideas, < 1505063637 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll be able to write a parser that hurts when you read the source code, < 1505063665 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more importantly, I know how to write a parser that results in a language that is interstingly more broken than the specified language but not so broken that it's boring < 1505063672 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-501-41.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1505063708 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might still need some feedback from some of you later < 1505063764 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1505065615 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What programming language are you going to use to implement the card game that you have invented? < 1505065667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure if I'm going to implement it at all < 1505065690 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right, I guess this is one of the things you have to see before you can give feedback on it < 1505065731 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I would try to implement it some day then; I don't know. And then you can complain in case I have done it wrong. < 1505065782 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the breakthrough was when I realized I could simply match parenthisized subexpressions with /\((.*)\)/, to support nested parenthesis < 1505065816 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that made me see how I can make the rest of the parser ad-hoc and work only for specific example programs, without handling syntax errors gracefully < 1505065830 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just syntax errors, but things like unusual whitespace < 1505065848 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imaginary person simply didn't try most of the deliberate syntax errors that a person rarely commits < 1505065894 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, parsing with regex < 1505065907 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505065967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he would handle finding a statement keyword that doesn't exist yet, but not a missing expression after a comma in an argument list or something < 1505065983 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I have to be careful with regex, because a newbie might not know of them at all < 1505066019 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're programming perl or something, and I don't just want to write the program in perl, because then I'd be too prone to write the perl I wrote when I was young < 1505066046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still I hope I can get away with naive uses of simple regexen < 1505066162 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they're not that unknown these days unless I make the character program DOS Turbo Pascal < 1505066220 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally I should probably use Java or C# or something, but I'm not ready for that < 1505066316 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I might still try. I can probably learn as much Java as the character < 1505066328 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to find some old and bad enough Java tutorial < 1505066401 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java supports PCRE-style regexes, perhaps surprisingly < 1505066406 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it surprised me < 1505066439 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main criteria for the regex here is that the dot should automatically match newlines < 1505066730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't in most regex syntaxes < 1505066734 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I already had matlab as a candidate, because it already allows for (1) doing unnecessary file IO in the interpreter to look which source files exist and also having code that could break in interesting ways when you run it on a case-sensitive fs, < 1505066787 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used [^] to match any character including newlines < 1505066808 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (2) easily lets the program call matlab functions, which makes the interpreter easier to implement and have the newbie-esoteric trait that it doesn't have arithmetic operator syntax and you have to call matlab's minus and times functions, which easily brings in the parenthesis limitation < 1505066817 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that won't work in all regex syntaxes, some of them parse the ] as a literal closing square bracket, not as the end of the character class < 1505066828 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that doesn't work in posix regex, only in perl regex < 1505066837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not even in perl regex, I don't remember < 1505066841 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: IIRC it doesn't work in perl regex either < 1505066846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a syntax where it works, though < 1505066851 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, [^] works in JavaScript at least. < 1505066853 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the octave regex has dot matching newlines by default < 1505066862 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My implementation of /// in JavaScript does this) < 1505066891 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab is also realistic as a language a student learns in a university class, < 1505066938 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/slashes.js < 1505066939 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a reasonable enough syntax that the character could base his syntax on it and because of the builtin function thing, accidentally give .m as the extension for one of his supposed functions written in the program, although I'm not yet sure that works out < 1505066962 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't do that, I'll probably make the syntax too different for that < 1505066990 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI, wiki is down. As usual, no answer over SSH so... wait and see, I guess. < 1505067038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I no longer thing I'll call the character User:Fungot, because sadly there's a mainspace Fungot article which would make people find that before User:Fungot < 1505067127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an email alert, but of course I didn't notice until now. Should probably have it do something more visible, but OTOH so far there's never really been anything I could do about it. < 1505068439 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505068719 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505069907 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1505071943 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1505073422 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why has the Wiki crashed so frequently lately? < 1505073427 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1505073435 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1505073465 0 :APic!~apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol? < 1505074015 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1505074622 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of it's hosting provider, I'm pretty sure. < 1505074788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'// < 1505074924 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505074964 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505074994 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505075002 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn JOIN :#esoteric < 1505075144 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505075159 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505075325 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.159.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505076665 0 :Filystyn!~piotr@unaffiliated/filystyn QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1505077500 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS has 100 core spells, which is too much to be selecting at random by use of a deck of cards, even if tarot cards are in use. Even if the Enchantment spells and Recover Energy are omitted, there is still too much. < 1505077574 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enchantment spells are used to permanently enchant magical items and work differently than other spells, while Recover Energy cannot be cast at all.) < 1505077613 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot be cast at all? you can only splice it? < 1505077729 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no (although I like that idea too, but none of the core spells can be spliced). Simply having it at a high enough skill level allows FP spent on energy costs of spells to be recovered faster by a mage who knows the spell. < 1505077951 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it'd be a good idea if it could be spliced, it's hard to balance that thing. < 1505077967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that depends on the rest of the mechanics and stuff < 1505078049 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought you meant that you want a random choice of spell for misfiring a wand that a non-caster is trying to zap, in which case recover energy would make no sense < 1505078193 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505078658 0 :ATMunn!?@? NICK :nnuMTA < 1505078673 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@1F2ECCD0.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1505079011 0 :wob_jonas!b03f186a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.106 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1505079048 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: admin of esolangs.org (according to whois) is Alan Dipert. Domain Registrar: godaddy; server location: Canada; Nameserver domains@: zem.fi , rollernet.us < 1505079161 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISP = KW Datacenter < 1505079234 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a wand with a random effect, even if it is not misfired, but still it has to be a spell that can be cast. (Splicing also won't be used in this case, presumably, though.) < 1505079259 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-589-187.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505079326 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: That WHOIS info isn't quite right, possibly because I have WHOIS privacy turned on for the domain. < 1505079429 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1505079500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's hosted (with HackEgo) on a cloudatcost.com "one time fee" VPS, of which stories have been told. < 1505079533 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.trustpilot.com/review/cloudatcost.com < 1505079759 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just gave it a kick on the panel. < 1505079780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505079783 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have anywhere to move it to, I'd recommend moving it X-D < 1505079794 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CaC seems to have gone from bad to worse. < 1505079903 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just stop using/talking about c@c at all? < 1505079943 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but why is it then nevertheless hosted there? < 1505080272 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505080959 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1505080967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1505080978 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :up again < 1505082433 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505082659 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:8007:e6a6:3e2d:98d0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1505082754 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DE88.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1505083030 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:ad6c:2bfb:bd7f:e91c JOIN :#esoteric < 1505083186 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Thanks. I looked at Google Cloud Platform (we at least used to get some free credit for it), but it can be used only "for business" in the EU. Maybe after Brexit. < 1505083190 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm too stingy to pay specifically for it more than the yearly domain renewal.) < 1505083781 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few very cheap offerings around, though -- should maybe seriously consider those. They might not be great, but it's not a high bar to be better than the status quo. < 1505084487 0 :nnuMTA!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505084515 0 :nnuMTA!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1505085409 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1505085424 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505085597 0 :SigmundYx!~quassel@197.1.159.148 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1505085661 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.52.24.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1505085863 0 :nnuMTA!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1505087789 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection