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01:09:40 <boily> `5 w
01:09:46 <HackEgo> 1/2:hacker//Jim Hacker is a former British prime minister. \ ais523//Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. \ rho//Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho
01:09:47 <boily> `n
01:09:48 <HackEgo> 2/2:science. Today's reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho science. \ treat//Treats are tasty. \ macabre//The Macabres have been the hereditary rulers of Lochaber for 3 centuries.
01:10:54 <shachaf> `cwlprits rho
01:11:02 <HackEgo> shachäf
01:11:03 <shachaf> figures
01:11:05 <shachaf> forget rho
01:11:19 <shachaf> `forget rho
01:11:21 <HackEgo> Forget what?
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01:14:12 <alercah> `? irish
01:14:13 <HackEgo> irish? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:14:22 <alercah> `? english
01:14:24 <HackEgo> English is an inherently ambiguous context-sensitive language that is too powerful to fully describe itself.
01:14:26 <alercah> `? french
01:14:28 <HackEgo> Le français n'est pas le démon, visitez les Coupeurs. Ne pas couvrir. Meilleur avant!
01:14:35 <alercah> `? japanese
01:14:36 <HackEgo> japanese? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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01:31:19 <boily> helloochaf, bonsoircah.
01:31:44 <alercah> \o
01:38:31 <shachaf> You missed the ysaclist
01:38:44 <shachaf> But they're forgettable, I think
01:40:09 <alercah> `? ysaclist
01:40:10 <HackEgo> ysaclist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:46:00 <boily> I was either on vacation and/or lagged when they were issued. last two episodes were very short :/
01:46:18 <boily> primitive technology was nice, tho.
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01:49:01 <shachaf> boily: Sure, sign me up for ptlist
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01:56:18 <doesthiswork> what is ysac and pt?
01:58:04 <shachaf> I think pt is often physical therapy
01:59:55 <doesthiswork> and other times programming theory?
02:01:23 <shachaf> Perhaps.
02:01:46 <shachaf> In this case I meant the first two words of boily's last sentence
02:02:01 <doesthiswork> AHA!
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07:23:09 <shachaf> 23:22 <shachaf> i,i an esolang where every time you make a mistake one more thing becomes undefined behavior
07:23:14 <shachaf> 23:22 <shachaf> There's plenty of self-modifying code, but are there self-modifying languages?
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07:32:27 * Taneb good morning
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07:36:54 <shachaf> Good morneb.
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09:47:09 <FreeFull> shachaf: There are self-modifying languages, I think
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10:14:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Dan zh * New user account
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10:21:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Dan zh]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53143 * Dan zh * (+101) Created page with "Hi! I am Danil! I like making translators from different languages. I'm Reacheable(sometimes) by IRC."
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10:23:23 <dan_zh> Hello there!
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12:18:31 <Taneb> Finally got paper for my printer!
12:18:34 <Taneb> What should I print
12:19:12 <int-e> black pages until you run out of ink or toner :P
12:19:45 <int-e> or dark brown if it's a color printer
12:19:54 <Taneb> int-e, I'd probably run out of paper first
12:20:11 <Taneb> And I'd like to print something slightly more interesting
12:20:40 <Taneb> Like "Quantum Lambda Calculi with Calssical Control: Syntax and Expressive Power"
12:24:18 <int-e> print all papers from https://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP.htm ? ;-)
12:31:19 <int-e> or print the source code of X11R6, I hear it's a classic
12:35:57 <shachaf> Maybe print a play.
12:44:43 <int-e> or #esoteric logs
13:00:51 <fizzie> Print ASCII art to tape on your walls.
13:01:43 <fizzie> Did I mention the time I hooked a tractor feed dot matrix printer to IRC? That got old fast.
13:01:48 <fizzie> (They're p. noisy.)
13:06:23 <int-e> . o O ( that must have come as a big surprise )
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16:38:38 <zzo38> I think you do not need to print something right away; it can be a waste of paper. Make a printout of something on the times when you need/want them.
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20:06:00 <zzo38> Maybe print a calendar, if you do not already have one.
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20:10:55 <zzo38> Do you like the kind of computer game I make up? It is not quite finish yet, but, many buildings are larger inside but not all; the castle is much smaller inside. On the outside it spans multiple screens, but on the inside it takes up less than a quarter of the screen (and part of the screen is taken up by a message "Why is this castle so small inside? It look much bigger outside")
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20:12:37 <FreeFull> cal -y | lpr
20:13:38 <zzo38> FreeFull: Yes it is one way to print out the calendar, if you do not need to add the holidays and spaces to write your own markings per days and so on
20:16:39 <zzo38> The king and queen nevertheless does not want this kind of strange monsters in their castle (even though the note says that any people (or monsters) who solve this puzzle are allowed in) and will cast a spell on you!!!
20:27:30 <Taneb> zzo38, thank you for the advice
20:27:48 <Taneb> I ended up print a chapter of a book on quantum lambda calculus (I am kind of into QLC right now)
20:31:08 <zzo38> OK, if you like that, then that is good
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20:40:37 <Phantom_Hoover> how does qlc work
20:43:30 <zzo38> I don't know, but I should learn too, if you explain it please
20:44:32 <Taneb> I presume you are familiar with regular lambda calculus
20:44:48 <Taneb> Or rather, simply typed lambda calculus
20:46:23 <zzo38> Yes
20:48:01 <Taneb> And linear typing?
20:52:18 <Taneb> If you take a simply typed lambda calculus with linear typing, product types, and like the version I'm reading has sum types and also recursion
20:52:30 <Taneb> And also a qubit type
20:52:35 <zzo38> I know linear logic, I don't know how linear typing is work
20:53:12 <Taneb> I don't know if linear logic is related to linear typing
20:53:25 <zzo38> I also don't know
20:54:05 <Taneb> But linear typing is a way of encoding "you can only use this value once" in a type system
20:55:26 <zzo38> Well, linear logic can do that too
20:55:51 <int-e> linear logic is "you can only use this premise once (unless there's a bang)" - the connection is the usual one between lambda calculus and sequent calculus
20:55:58 <int-e> (afaiui)
20:56:19 <zzo38> int-e: Yes, I think that is correct
20:56:48 <int-e> you must use the premise as well... the same is true for the linear arguments in the linear lambda calculus
20:57:45 <Taneb> Anyway, it works out that linear typing is good for representing quantum state
20:57:48 <Phantom_Hoover> <Taneb> But linear typing is a way of encoding "you can only use this value once" in a type system
20:58:08 <Phantom_Hoover> so that's because you're representing quantum computations that have to conserve information
20:58:09 <Phantom_Hoover> correct?
20:58:12 <Taneb> Yeah
20:58:26 <Taneb> (I should have said "exactly once", sorry)
20:59:43 <zzo38> I think linear logic also has a question mark, which is like exclamation mark but on the other side of the logic instead.
21:00:28 <shachaf> hi zzo38
21:00:52 <zzo38> Hello
21:01:41 <shachaf> Is !A the same as, uh, 1 & A & A⊗A & A⊗A⊗A & ... ?
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21:04:42 <zzo38> I have read somewhere that it is possible to have multiple kind of ! and ? which act in the same way but are incompatible.
21:05:29 <Taneb> shachaf, I don't think that that is the case in QLC
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21:07:36 <int-e> shachaf: you do get !x |- x though, and !x = !x,!x in contexts (in the sense that anything provable with !x,!x in the context is provable with !x and vice versa)
21:08:21 <shachaf> int-e: And also !x |- 1, right? Or whatever that thing was.
21:08:32 <shachaf> And !x |- !!x?
21:08:35 <shachaf> ! behaves like a comonad and !x behaves like a comonoid. Or something.
21:09:06 <int-e> shachaf: there's no !!x in the syntax.
21:09:13 <int-e> (in what I'm currently reading)
21:09:31 <int-e> "A Lambda Calculus for Quantum Computation" by van Tonder
21:09:43 <shachaf> !(!x)
21:10:04 <int-e> oh wait.
21:10:15 <int-e> I misunderstood. Let me check
21:10:33 <Taneb> int-e, there is in what I am reading, Quantum Lambda Calculus by Selinger and Valiron
21:10:35 <int-e> yes, you hget !x |- !!x
21:11:01 <int-e> unfamiliar territory, mistakes happen :)
21:11:12 <Taneb> I think in maybe two or three years I would like to do a PhD in QLC (once I have some money saved up)
21:14:01 <int-e> shachaf: (what happened was that I was focussed on abstractions, where there's no !!x, instead of terms, where such a thing does exist)
21:15:03 <shachaf> Abstractions?
21:15:18 <int-e> λx . t and λ!x . t
21:15:43 <shachaf> Taneb: Maybe you should save up money by coming to work in California.
21:15:50 <shachaf> You could work at that quantum computing startup in Berkeley.
21:17:34 <Taneb> For the foreseeable future I'd much rather work in Europe
21:17:39 <shachaf> What does ! mean in a lambda?
21:18:22 <int-e> that the argument is non-linear
21:18:49 <int-e> it corresponds to having !x in the proof context
21:18:52 <shachaf> Does it have a different type?
21:19:13 <int-e> it's --> vs. --o
21:19:22 <shachaf> TG
21:40:09 <Taneb> int-e, I'm printing a copy of van Tonder's thing
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