< 1509581195 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509581492 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1509581574 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uutxzryzhlormkov QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509581699 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xsqhyikdvowbecrm JOIN :#esoteric < 1509581877 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509582000 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1509582000 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 020000Z 18006KT 15SM -RA OVC035 07/03 A3027 RMK SC8 SLP254 < 1509582150 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509582623 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xsqhyikdvowbecrm QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509583289 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rciwspqesqsqsias JOIN :#esoteric < 1509584065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509585022 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: RECKLESS CHICKEN < 1509586481 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509587635 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509589050 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1509589354 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509589764 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509589953 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509590205 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509590207 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509590382 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509590671 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509590952 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591185 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509591270 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591328 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509591340 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591466 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509591522 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591679 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509591702 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591702 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509591737 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509592094 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1509593391 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509596497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Loudcolour 5* 10New user account < 1509596581 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509596785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MMP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53316 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+2097) 10Created page with "This looks like a neat language! I wanted to let you know that [https://gist.github.com/ScratchMan544/70e3dfbe091c5f3e46d47a99a8e4e7e6 I've written an implementation]. There a..." < 1509596873 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509597000 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509597145 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509597250 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509600141 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509600412 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509600807 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509605108 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509605289 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1509606141 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1509612160 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509612160 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509613632 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509618888 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509620463 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many nostrils do you have? < 1509620463 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: one of the reported matter the purchaser. not only lavished on executives." < 1509620484 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Executive Nostrils™ with Leather Upholstering. < 1509621528 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: KNUCKLE CHICKEN < 1509630133 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509630437 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509630625 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509634104 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1509634288 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509635509 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509635712 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1509635828 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509636686 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1509636703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1509636703 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 3d 18h 44m 19s ago: Re: Who cares about ancient cases anyway? / To whom it may concern... < 1509636730 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1509636732 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1509636737 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1509636738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1509636744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grmbles
< 1509636807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/whoops < 1509636808 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»" < 1509636819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1509636841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget fun fact < 1509636843 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1509636848 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1509636850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1509636948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test < 1509636949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test failed. HackEgo-JUnit is not available. < 1509636953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? testing < 1509636955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1509636979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn testing // what happened with that < 1509636982 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'testing ': 0,04 what happened with that < 1509636985 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1509636997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just saw numbers in the logs) < 1509637002 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1509637004 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1509637177 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I haven't programmed with an esolang before what should I try? < 1509637308 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to program with one? < 1509637330 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fun < 1509637333 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I want to make one < 1509637359 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of fun? the challenge of doing something with limited tools? the fun of exploring something weird? < 1509637367 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1509637389 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge is a lot of fun < 1509637556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also funge98 is unusually usable, right fungot < 1509637556 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the short form agreement.?? < 1509637756 0 :alercah!?@? NICK :lexer < 1509637903 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509637969 0 :lexer!?@? NICK :alercah < 1509638571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funge-9814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53317&oldid=52671 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+84) 10/* Instructions */ < 1509638877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53318&oldid=53177 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+27) 10/* Befunge-93 and Befunge-98 */ < 1509639707 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually want to make useful programs, the best bet might be certain non-esolangs with strange features, like haskell or some APL < 1509639727 0 :carlos_!a02790d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.144.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509640304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1509640564 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509642714 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509643029 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509643274 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe we should conduct a poll whether Countercall is TC. < 1509643289 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof by poll, that's a new one < 1509643320 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what? that's not one of those languages whose meaning keeps changing according to popular vote or something, right? < 1509643326 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523 wrote on the page that he believes that it is TC... I'm leaning towards no) < 1509643360 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's my intuition as well < 1509643396 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said < 1509643397 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'd prefer a proof, but the language is just awful enough to make that hard (for me, at least). < 1509643403 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would not be the first time I've been proven wrong < 1509643423 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it becomes a perfect target for conjectures :P < 1509643549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53319&oldid=52409 5* 03B jonas 5* (+46) 10 < 1509643616 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Carlos 5* 10New user account < 1509644285 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lost14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53320 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+2780) 10Made page < 1509646135 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509647645 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509647690 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1509647997 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509648020 0 :carlos_!a02790d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.144.217 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1509648353 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509648947 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509650342 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509651257 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509653947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Three Star Programmer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53321&oldid=46069 5* 03Ais523 5* (+146) 10/* Computational class */ TC proof sketch < 1509654322 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509655171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509655171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1509655171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509657211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1509657213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is revolutionary < 1509657226 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :🙌 < 1509659418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53322 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3203) 10Created page with "''Geo'' is a simple interpreted toy programming language. I, [[User:b_jonas|b_jonas]] created it in 2006 for a programming course that required implementing a parser using ya..." < 1509659508 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53323&oldid=53322 5* 03B jonas 5* (+96) 10 < 1509659523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does geo have goenerics < 1509659605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53324&oldid=53323 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2) 10 < 1509659646 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, gno < 1509659653 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53325&oldid=53277 5* 03B jonas 5* (+10) 10 < 1509659747 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53326&oldid=53324 5* 03B jonas 5* (+25) 10 < 1509659770 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53327&oldid=53309 5* 03B jonas 5* (+25) 10 < 1509659795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53328&oldid=53326 5* 03B jonas 5* (+40) 10 < 1509660087 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53329&oldid=53328 5* 03B jonas 5* (+413) 10 < 1509660241 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53330&oldid=53329 5* 03B jonas 5* (+38) 10 < 1509660901 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53331 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1319) 10Created page with "'''Scan''' is a toy programming language. I, [[User:b_jonas|b_jonas]] created it in 2003. I published it to the world around 2006. Scan is dynamically typed, values can be..." < 1509660959 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53332&oldid=53325 5* 03B jonas 5* (+11) 10 < 1509661048 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53333&oldid=53319 5* 03B jonas 5* (+114) 10 < 1509661063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol gno goenerics < 1509661119 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509661134 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1509661136 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gno < 1509661137 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gno? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1509661672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509662153 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509662226 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509662887 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countercall indeed sounds like it's not obvious whether it's turing complete or not < 1509662896 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its feature set is so awkward < 1509663005 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1509663032 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently leaning towards yes but wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong < 1509663110 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is that it only has two places to store data and they're both critically important for other things, /and/ it's easy to prove that you need to shift data back and forth between the two of them for TCness < 1509663112 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's not turing complete, but I don't really know < 1509663169 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with only two places to keep data and shifting data back and forth, that's how two stack automata work, but this one is just so awkward < 1509663204 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it'd be easy if the data were just data, rather than being inherent to the language's control flow at the same time < 1509663245 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's just too few ways to control flow < 1509663261 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were multiple ways to call a function which use the counter differently, it would be easy < 1509663428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53334&oldid=53331 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3) 10 < 1509663548 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just realized that scan is not turing-complete, because it only has the one stack that stores returns and localized values of variables, and all values are fixed point integers or functions that don't close over anything at runtime.) < 1509663554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fixed point/machine/ < 1509663958 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509664300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is untyped lambda calculus TC without closures? admittedly, I'm not 100% sure what that would mean < 1509664322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly, currying wouldn't work, which get rid of most of the usual constructions < 1509664443 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um... how would that work? < 1509664450 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus without closures? < 1509664457 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does < 1509664492 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, Splinter is pretty close to this < 1509664498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a PDA < 1509664501 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean that functions only store a reference to the stack, and you can call them only as long as the innermost block of which it refers a variable hasn't exited yet? < 1509664517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that a function value isn't stateful < 1509664529 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a reference to a block of code, like in C < 1509664542 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also don't have algebraic types? < 1509664548 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sounds like a pushdown automaton < 1509664554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so isn't turing complete < 1509664561 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have a heap < 1509664595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, I think it's a PDA < 1509665079 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan, of which I just wrote a stub entry, is actually sort of like that. a function value only holds a pointer to a node in the parse tree. no closing over values. < 1509665185 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rules for variables is this: variables with the same name in different compile-time scopes are distinguished. local variables are dynamically localized in the correct scope, but closures don't record any value or reference to them. variable access just takes the innermost localized value that corresponds to the same variable in the sour < 1509665185 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ce code. < 1509665197 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not quite sure it works that way. < 1509665378 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest way to have such a language is to only have global variables instead. < 1509666116 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1509666260 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1509666270 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think if you only have globals, it might not even have enough power for a push-down automaton. I'm not sure. < 1509666288 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there's even a difference if you can't get input.