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00:57:18 <\oren\> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virgin_Lake&diff=810659041&oldid=810658953
00:57:31 <\oren\> wikipedia edit war
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01:16:44 <Roger9> Ello, hppavilion[1] (if you don't mind me pinging you right now. I mean, this is only once, but I do know of people that are, somewhat justifiably, annoyed by me doing that kind of thing).
01:17:06 <hppavilion[1]> It's fine.
01:19:38 <Roger9> I'm still experimenting (well, thought experimenting, anyway) with the idea of using the 'lem/cc' primitive to define functions when there aren't any specialized functions.
01:19:51 <Roger9> s/functions/syntactical forms for function definitions
01:20:21 <Roger9> As in, "function (...) {...}" would be invalid, but you'd be able to use "lem/cc" to recreate the effects of a function.
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01:50:37 <Roger9> 'Ello, doesthiswork. Doesyourinternetwork? Itlookslikeyourepingingout.
01:51:51 <doesthiswork> my girlfriend wants her video to load faster so I'm turning off my connection except when I need to load a page so that she knows that it's not my fault
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01:56:36 <Roger9> Ah.
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02:53:21 <quintopia> thats ridiculous doesthiswork
02:53:30 <quintopia> its obviously your fault
02:53:43 <quintopia> regardless of whether you are connected
02:54:55 <quintopia> maybe its your fault because you didnt buy good enough i ternet service or chose to live in a broadband desert
02:55:22 <quintopia> but its definitely not /her/ fault regardless
03:08:59 <doesthiswork> And also staring at a loading screen for an hour has a way of fraying the nerves
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11:05:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pairs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53375 * Avuxo * (+1231) Created page with "'''Pairs''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Avuxo]] based on creating binary numbers using characters. To create a 1 use two of the same character in a..."
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11:10:03 <b_jonas> Oh I see! It's a stupid joke
11:10:26 <b_jonas> I was wondering why they updated the article https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/unstable-mechanics-2017-11-13 in place (and announced that they would do that in advance) rather than make a second article.
11:10:45 <b_jonas> It's because they *augmented* the article with more text, they same way you augment the host creature. Duh.
11:11:08 <b_jonas> This is groanworthy the same way as a pun is.
11:14:12 <shachaf> `hi b_jonas
11:14:19 <HackEgo> Hi b_jonas. Honas.
11:14:31 <shachaf> That doesn't seem right...
11:14:49 <b_jonas> try hello instead of hi?
11:14:56 <shachaf> `hello b_jonas
11:14:57 <HackEgo> hello world
11:15:08 <b_jonas> yeah, that doesn't work. that's the stupid hello world script I created
11:15:13 <b_jonas> `? hello
11:15:15 <HackEgo> hello hello hello, what's all this then?
11:15:20 <b_jonas> `? `hello
11:15:21 <shachaf> `2017 hello
11:15:21 <HackEgo> ​`hello prints variants of hello, world. To control format, pass a single letter as command-line argument. "@"=>"hello, world", "H"=>"hello, world.", P=>"hello, world!", "X"=>"hello, world,", take 1 letter later to s/h/H/, 2 letter later to s/d,/d/, 4 letter later to s/w/W/, lowercase to remove newline.
11:15:21 <HackEgo> Hello, world!
11:15:28 <shachaf> `cat bin/2017
11:15:29 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
11:15:35 <shachaf> `2016
11:15:36 <HackEgo> No output.
11:17:19 <shachaf> What's with this US tax proposal, anyway?
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11:34:57 <boily> @massages-loud
11:34:57 <lambdabot> shachaf said 1d 2h 44m 9s ago: ysaclist 68
11:34:57 <lambdabot> quintopia said 17h 52m 40s ago: I probably can't 22, but I may be able to 26
11:35:11 <boily> shachaf: helloochaf. yay!
11:35:34 <boily> @tell quintopia QUINTHELLOPIA. 26 sounds good.
11:35:34 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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11:53:11 <int-e> shachaf: maybe it's smart and the singularity is just around the corner... no need to waste money on grad students
11:55:21 <int-e> But I think it's just a cynical move, and quite probably stupid (US is becoming increasingly unattractive for aspiring academics.)
11:59:58 <shachaf> int-e: Is that the change most visible from across the ocean?
12:07:22 <b_jonas> "US is becoming increasingly unattractive for aspiring academics." => very true. and reputedly it's mostly students from asia who get the bad end of that.
12:07:43 <b_jonas> if only the situation was not so messed up in Europe, I'd be happy with that, because we'd get all the students here.
12:08:38 <b_jonas> But for now, America, Europe, and Israel are all messed up, so people can't go anywhere reasonable to do graduate education and science work and conferences.
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12:09:20 <b_jonas> shachaf: so your answer is, yes, but across the other ocean mostly
12:09:26 <int-e> shachaf: I don't know. I've learned about the change from https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/opinion/house-tax-bill-graduate-students.html (via a blog)
12:15:03 <int-e> shachaf: outside of my bubble it seems people focus on estate tax and corporate tax, which I guess are the two items with the biggest financial impact.
12:15:55 <shachaf> itym death tax hth
12:16:33 <shachaf> I don't really understand the widespread opposition to the estate tax.
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12:17:02 <shachaf> If there is such an opposition, which maybe there isn't.
12:20:15 <int-e> I understand Trump's opposition to the estate tax... and other rich people... so the leadership of the Republican party...
12:22:15 <shachaf> Sure.
12:26:30 <shachaf> While you're at it maybe you can explain the Republican party's position on healthcare to me?
12:26:58 <int-e> rich people pay for their own healthcare anyway?
12:27:19 <int-e> (so no need to contribute money to public health care)
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16:45:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53376&oldid=53332 * Avuxo * (+12) /* P */
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19:56:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang talk:Funding]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53377&oldid=53365 * JayCampbell * (+136) Donation
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20:05:10 <Phantom_Hoover> $5/month lol
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20:12:55 <int-e> $5 a month here, $5 a month there... it can add to a serious amount quickly.
20:14:45 <shachaf> fizzie: You should turn esolangs.org into an organization that's permitted to use Google Cloud.
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21:13:26 <fizzie> shachaf: It would need "a potential economic benefit", so presumably the non-profit models I was actually looking at wouldn't qualify.
21:13:37 <shachaf> add ads hth
21:14:06 <shachaf> Or just make it a for-profit.
21:18:05 <fizzie> I don't think that's in the spirit of the thing.
21:19:15 <shachaf> Do what Mozilla does
21:19:38 <shachaf> A for-profit owned by a non-profit.
21:20:11 <fizzie> I guess. They're a slightly bigger operation, though.
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21:24:22 <int-e> slightly.
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21:33:36 <wob_jonas> Isn't there some theorem about this, for how you can always decompose a bounded profit corporation to a non-negative profit and a non-positive profit one?
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21:45:09 <izabera> sooooo
21:45:24 <izabera> magic the gathering is turing complete?
21:45:34 <ais523> yes, or, well, it depends on your exact definitions
21:45:56 <ais523> the construction on http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow unfortunately doesn't quite work because I misunderstood the rules for trigger timing
21:45:59 <izabera> http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/index.html
21:46:05 <ais523> hopefully it's fixable though
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21:51:53 <shachaf> It's super-Turing
21:52:17 <shachaf> You need to solve the halting problem to decide whether a game is a draw.
21:54:27 <ais523> shachaf: I'm not sure that /specifically/ has been proven, Alex Churchill's constructions IIRC require player decisions sometimes, and my construction doesn't quite work
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21:55:52 <shachaf> I though there was a way to do computation without player decisions.
21:57:09 <ais523> there probably is, but my proof of it has a mistake in
21:57:16 <ais523> so we need a new proof
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22:32:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * SomethingFwaful * New user account
22:35:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53378&oldid=53370 * SomethingFwaful * (+335)
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23:08:55 <zseri> hi
23:10:07 <ais523> hi zseri
23:18:00 <Roger9> Hi.
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23:34:32 <wob_jonas> And yes, the suggestion that the mythic rare vanilla creature is a Host is tempting, but I think ultimately it's false because the Hosts all have a triggered ability.
23:35:09 <wob_jonas> I wonder if it's something with non-integers in it
23:35:46 <wob_jonas> Or something with Phyrexian mana, which we know returns in unstable on at least one card (but then un-sets are like Time Spiral, they will have mechanics returning for just one card)
23:36:40 <wob_jonas> Like a phyrexian version of Reaper King
23:36:57 <wob_jonas> but that would be too abusable. you'd cast it for 10 life in your first turn.
23:38:37 <wob_jonas> I hope it's not just a vanilla back side of a flip card, like Markov's Servant
23:39:28 <wob_jonas> It can't just be an 1.5/0.5 artifact creature for {0.5} or something, because that wouldn't be mythic.
23:39:50 <wob_jonas> Maybe it's just a 100/100 creature for {21} or something
23:40:38 <wob_jonas> Or a contraption creature with no crank ability?
23:40:51 <wob_jonas> I don't think so
23:41:28 <wob_jonas> The first Teenage monster?
23:47:01 <wob_jonas> OH! They printed the "last strike" ability in unstable!
23:47:03 <wob_jonas> FINALLY!
23:48:19 <wob_jonas> And a red direct damage spell with trample. Brilliant. It doesn't work per rules of course, but still, brilliant.
23:49:17 <wob_jonas> Multi-Headed doesn't have menace?
23:50:17 <wob_jonas> Selfie Preservation is also a nice idea
23:50:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[FISHQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53379&oldid=53364 * Zseri * (-117) some improvements
23:50:52 <wob_jonas> Reminds me to First Come, First Served sort of
23:53:28 <zseri> bye
23:53:30 <wob_jonas> Oh! And Labro-Bot *is* an artifact. I was wondering about that.
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