00:14:48 https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/7ekwea/un3_vanilla_mythic_infinity_elemental/ 00:18:02 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53401 * Rdococ * (+3836) This specification is... mostly complete. I think. 00:20:41 [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53402&oldid=52824 * Rdococ * (+171) Clearing up a few things. 00:21:58 [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53403&oldid=53402 * Rdococ * (+0) 00:31:55 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Quit: EliteBNC free bnc service - http://elitebnc.org - be a part of the Elite!). 00:34:57 -!- ais523 has joined. 00:36:27 hmm, so the choices here are 00:36:51 a) buy bottled water from a vending machine at an exorbitant price (£1.50 for what I think was a 75cl bottle, not sure on the exact size) 00:37:18 b) use a water fountain that's designed for wob_jonas-style use, or possibly filling up bottles of your own 00:37:53 (it emits water straight downwards; I find the ones that shoot water upwards at an angle much more convenient because you can drink from the stream with your head in a sensible position 00:38:08 c) go down to the surrounding city streets and find somewhere which sells water 00:38:28 because I work at a university and thus there is a large concentration of students in the area, c) is fairly easy when it's as early as half past midnight 00:40:08 (d) origami out a cup from some stray paper, use it to drink from the fountain. 00:40:56 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 00:41:08 From what I recall, Copy paper holds water surprisingly well (I mean, not *well* but still), if you fold it right. 00:41:22 s/C/c/ keep typoing. 00:41:32 (Or rather insufficiently editing.) 00:41:47 I'm currently in a very communal area because my ID card is malfunctioning / too old and won't let me into any of the me-specific areas 00:41:57 and in places like this, they have to charge for things like paper in order to prevent buse 00:41:58 *abuse 00:49:25 -!- erkin has joined. 00:50:49 ais523: I have bottles of my own stored at home normally 00:51:24 I often have a supply of bottles but can't easily transport them 00:51:25 and you can fill containers other than water 00:51:26 um 00:51:29 containers other than bottles 00:51:37 anyway, I used step c) and the bottle is still here 00:51:40 so I can just refill it 00:51:42 err, method c) 00:51:54 here if water is out for more than about four hours, there's usually a water tank vehicle brought to the street 00:52:27 -!- adu has joined. 00:52:38 every supermarket sells bottled water here, so it's just a matter of bringing a six-pack of 1.5 liter bottles home from the closest one usually 00:53:14 here as well 00:53:18 I considered taking some water with me 00:53:25 but decided to travel light, as I knew there'd be options 00:53:31 (that's where I got this bottle of water from, a supermarket) 00:53:34 I can lend you some but you'd have to walk like 1500 kilometers for it 00:53:41 or, hmm, it was a bit smaller than the typical supermarket 00:53:59 also, by the time I walk 1500km the water supply is likely to be fully working again :-P 00:55:04 ais523: I think Knight of the Kitchen Sink is my favorite card from Unstable 00:56:46 `card-by-name Vaporkin 00:56:49 Vaporkin \ 1U \ Creature -- Elemental \ 2/1 \ Flying \ Vaporkin can block only creatures with flying. \ THS-C, CN2-C 00:57:01 ^ Novellamental is a reprint of this under a different name 00:57:18 aha, so it was a funcitonal reprint 00:57:23 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53404&oldid=53401 * Rdococ * (+4) 00:57:46 yes. Welking Tern and Tattered Hunter are two cards in modern that are similar but have different creature types 00:59:28 2/1 high flying for 1U doesn't seem like that good a card, I assume it's for Limited purposes 00:59:46 although I guess it's comparable to 2/1 flying for most typical uses 01:00:00 yeah, it's not very good in constructed 01:00:04 a 2/1 doesn't make for a great blocker, especially against ground-based creatures which you can probably block more usefully with something else 01:00:05 but that's not a problem 01:00:45 2/1 for W has been playable in some formats in the past 01:01:03 oh sure! 01:01:39 Elite Vanguard. I even have one of those. 01:02:04 `card-by-name savannah lions 01:02:05 Savannah Lions \ W \ Creature -- Cat \ 2/1 \ A-R, B-R, U-R, RV-R, 4E-R, 8ED-R, 9ED-R, ME4-U 01:02:14 that was the original, and was much better back then because its competition was less good 01:02:17 also the old Savannah Lions, and a few newer cards 01:02:19 yes 01:02:29 now you can even get a 2/1 for W with advantages 01:02:45 3/1 for 1W seems to be a fairly common line for upside cards nowadays 01:02:50 like a hatebear but more agressive 01:02:58 and yet it's probably not good enough? 01:03:07 two mana normally gets you a 3/3 with minor upside if what you want is a combat creature 01:13:11 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 01:13:13 ais523: also, you're right, green used to be able to untap creatures in older sets. I didn't know. 01:13:17 `card-by-name Vitalize 01:13:18 Vitalize \ G \ Instant \ Untap all creatures you control. \ WL-C, 6E-C 01:13:39 I could have known, such abilities appear in several old cards, and not only very rare ones 01:19:11 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53405&oldid=53404 * Rdococ * (-12) 01:22:32 -!- adu has joined. 01:25:03 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 01:40:20 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53406&oldid=53405 * Rdococ * (-4) 01:42:12 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53407&oldid=53406 * Rdococ * (-30) 01:44:15 shachaf: hellochaf. just watched the pumpkin pie. 01:45:19 * boily tries to make the cardboard tube call 01:48:27 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:54:29 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53408&oldid=53407 * Rdococ * (+325) Added pointer arithmetic. 01:54:45 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53409&oldid=53408 * Rdococ * (-1) 01:55:26 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53410&oldid=53409 * Rdococ * (-1) 02:00:06 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 02:00:37 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53411&oldid=53410 * Rdococ * (-16) 02:09:38 -!- Cale_ has joined. 02:11:44 -!- Cale__ has joined. 02:17:00 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SECURE CHICKEN). 02:24:41 -!- watered has joined. 02:38:01 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:41:05 -!- erkin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:41:55 -!- erkin has joined. 02:57:31 -!- moonythedwarf has changed nick to FCC. 03:15:17 -!- Cale__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:15:17 -!- Cale_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:16:40 -!- sleffy has joined. 03:22:54 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 03:26:30 -!- sleffy has joined. 03:55:37 -!- watered has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:32:07 -!- watered has joined. 05:01:45 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 05:09:22 -!- garit has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:12:04 -!- garit has joined. 05:12:04 -!- garit has quit (Changing host). 05:12:04 -!- garit has joined. 05:13:11 -!- augur has joined. 05:24:17 Can a player regenerate from being destroyed? 05:24:17 Yes. Note there is no current way to do that. Maybe in a future Un- set. 05:27:47 -!- MrBusiness has joined. 05:52:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 06:05:11 -!- watered has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 06:36:05 -!- friendlyGoat has joined. 06:44:41 any of you ever heard of Zombie? 06:57:51 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:59:23 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 06:59:47 -!- Bowserinator has changed nick to Guest80236. 07:12:21 -!- friendlyGoat has left. 07:28:54 -!- FreeFull has quit. 07:45:04 -!- FCC has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:02:15 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:04:59 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53412&oldid=53411 * Rdococ * (+12) 08:05:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:05:52 -!- sebbu has joined. 08:10:37 -!- sleffy has joined. 08:13:34 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53413&oldid=53412 * Rdococ * (-7) 08:18:07 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 08:21:46 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:28:33 -!- sebbu has joined. 08:28:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:29:14 -!- augur has joined. 08:32:13 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:33:32 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 08:47:24 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:13:09 -!- watered has joined. 09:13:38 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:30:13 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: sorry for my connection). 09:38:30 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:09:50 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:18:42 `? gibibyte 10:18:48 gibibyte? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 10:19:11 hi Taneb 10:19:30 cook anything delicious lately? 10:19:41 Haven't been cooking much :( 10:21:03 I do need to cook more 10:21:56 Taneb: what about baking? 10:22:08 Vorpal: same problem sadly 10:22:28 Is baking not a type of cooking? 10:22:39 Taneb: not needing sounds like you have a superior solution though, as opposed to "not being able to" for example 10:22:58 thusly, may I inquire what the superior solution is? 10:23:21 One trick is to apply economic pressure to get others to cook food for you. 10:24:09 shachaf: that is a good one. E might be married and have a partner who prefers to cook though. That is another option 10:25:09 wait, I misread you 10:25:19 " I do need to cook more" as " I do not need to cook any more" 10:25:22 Taneb: sorry 10:25:41 Ah, that makes more sense. 10:26:04 yes indeed 10:26:39 Ah! Sorry for the confusion 10:27:09 Taneb: the confusion was entirely on my side, no need for you to be sorry 10:27:39 No, *I'm* sorry for the confusion. 10:27:50 shachaf: I'm sorry for you being sorry 10:28:58 I'm basically living on cereal, supermarket lunchtime meal deals, and microwave pasta ready meals 10:29:04 ouch 10:29:53 It's... a lot better than a couple of years ago when I wasn't even managing that 10:30:04 Taneb: oh no 10:30:07 sounds like scow 10:31:11 shachaf: what does scow mean in this context. googling for a definition gave me "a large flat-bottomed boat with broad square ends used chiefly for transporting bulk material (such as ore, sand, or refuse)" which I suspect is not what you meant 10:31:24 I mean it in a related sense. 10:31:32 The etymology is "garbage scow" 10:31:43 "the scow of X" means something like "the worst specimen of X" 10:31:48 `? scow 10:31:49 Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp. 10:32:03 HackEgo: that makes no sense tdnh 10:32:22 "1 GiB equals 230 bytes or 1,073,741,824 GB, or approximately 7% larger than the gigabit. 10:32:25 " 10:32:31 oh, a bit like cockney rhyme then? In that you need to know some hidden layers of association in between 10:32:40 (from a webhosting company's website) 10:32:54 Taneb: I would personally go for some other hosting company 10:35:46 Like cloudatcost? 10:37:50 shachaf: no idea who they are 11:11:13 Vorpal: I think they're the wiki's host, which have a problem with reliability 11:23:41 I see 11:23:53 Taneb: who is the admin of the wiki? maybe we could host it elsewhere? 11:25:06 Vorpal: my understanding is that that's being looked into 11:26:52 Taneb: I own a VPS, so do fizzie. I would assume there are more of us as well who could host it. Might need to upgrade to a bigger plan for bandwidth or storage, but I kind of doubt our wiki has that much traffic 11:27:46 would need to install php and possibly mysql though. Think I only have postgresql on that VPS 11:27:48 Storage is I think the key issue 11:28:17 Taneb: how much does it use for the wiki? Shouldn't be more than a couple of GB I would assume? 11:28:39 Honstly I don't know 11:28:51 fizzie is the current admin but I think Gregor has something to do with it as well? 11:28:56 ah 11:35:41 -!- boily has joined. 11:36:46 Vorpal: See https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Funding 11:38:23 Egress traffic is (IIRC) in the order of 100G/month, and we've always run it on a system with 2G of RAM, not sure how much smaller it'd fit on. 11:38:52 -!- MrBismuth has joined. 11:38:54 fizzie: What's wrong with making a profit? 11:39:02 Or rather, with having a surplus. 11:40:30 fizzie: okay, my VPS is also 2 GB, and IIRC I have either 500 GB or 1 TB traffic / month available to me, not sure about yours 11:40:47 -!- MrBusiness has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:41:05 anyway my point was, if some of us already have VPSes, maybe there is some with spare capacity 11:41:14 Are you confident that it'll cost <$100/year all in? 11:42:25 shachaf: If we go with one of the less mainstream options, I don't see why not. 11:42:58 And with a mainstream option? 11:43:47 fizzie: we should be able to run on the smallest of even a mainstream option like linode from what I can tell 11:44:01 that is 5 USD per month, so it will fit in less than 100 USD without issueds 11:44:03 issues* 11:44:04 https://www.linode.com/pricing 11:44:23 I hear Linode is scow. 11:44:28 Though I use them myself. 11:44:37 Vorpal: I'm a little suspicious about 1G of RAM, and the 2GB instance is already $120/year. 11:44:40 I have had a mostly trouble free experience with their london data center the last few years, and the times I had issues their support was quick and helpful 11:45:01 They lost my password at least twice. 11:45:28 fizzie: huh thought I had their smallest option but maybe not, htop says I have 2 GB RAM. Or 1.83 rather 11:45:42 I'll log in and check 11:47:12 I'm using DigitalOcean, and they just added a new $15/month tier with 3GB of RAM. I think I guesstimated something like $25-30/month for Amazon/Google clouds (the latter has the business-only issue). 11:48:06 For the record, the cheapo option would be https://www.hostens.com/vps-hosting/#hosting__plan__group-tab-vps who have a €3.99/month plan (quarterly billing, 2G RAM, KVM) and pretty reasonable user reviews around the webs. 11:48:06 What if we used Google Cloud US? 11:48:12 For example by having Gregor run it. 11:48:47 I'm slightly dubious of cheapo options. 11:48:47 In what sense is using Google Cloud US having me run it X-D 11:48:58 whoa whoa whoa 11:48:59 hi Gregor 11:49:01 I kind of would prefer for the person looking after the MediaWiki installation to be the same person looking after the VPS, it's been a little inconvenient to have to bother someone every time some sort of control panel action is needed. 11:49:16 I mean, it works, but it makes me feel bad. 11:49:28 -!- garit has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:49:31 Can control panel access not be given? I don't know how these things work. 11:49:56 Not using CaC's amazing service. 11:50:20 fizzie: yeah I have the 2 GB variant 11:50:51 Maybe you should use Microsoft Azure 11:50:53 with linode you can create users, and either give them full or restricted access. I don't know how fine grained that is 11:52:21 The more core point here is that I was just donating the CaC server because I had it spare. It was spare because CaC is kiiiiinda trash. However, CaC continues to be kinda trash, and it'd be good to move off of it. I don't have other servers free, or any particular reason to be the server admin. 11:52:22 https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#setting-permissions 11:52:25 seems reasonable 11:53:19 Just to be clear about how crap CaC is, here's my latest support ticket on my other CaC account: 11:53:21 I would not want to run the server full time, I too often go away from the internet for long stretches to keep an eye on it all the time 11:53:32 « After a few days of my servers being inaccessible and nonfunctional, today they simply don't exist. The panel claims "install failed" for all four, when they're not new servers, and have been running for months or, in one case, years.» 11:53:44 CaC's response? «This ticket has been closed due to inactivity.» 11:53:48 huh 11:53:55 -!- garit has joined. 11:53:57 -!- garit has quit (Excess Flood). 11:54:20 -!- garit has joined. 11:54:20 -!- garit has quit (Changing host). 11:54:20 -!- garit has joined. 11:55:42 They lost my password at least twice. <-- by the way, how do you mean? Lost the hash of your password in their user db?? 11:56:12 Gregor: does someone (you?) have database and configuration backups of the wiki? 11:56:17 I've got a VPS for my own purposes, but it's tiny (512M of RAM), and anyway personally I'd not share it with the wiki. If we want to keep the wiki-admin == VPS-admin equality (I'm at least around enough, probably), I might just go ahead and pick the cheapo option and trust there's enough interest to cover that (relatively tiny) amount. Just not sure what's the best way to go around it. 11:56:32 Vorpal: I believe I have backups of everything. 11:56:44 Vorpal: I've got weekly backups here as well of everything wiki-relevant. 11:56:53 good, in case d fails 11:57:02 Vorpal: I think so. Or at leat told me to change my password for some reason. 11:57:10 I remember they lost password hashes at least once. 11:57:22 I believe there's also some other people downloading the public dump, which has all the articles but not the users & suchlike. 11:57:26 shachaf: huh 11:58:41 The directories I have backed up nightly: /etc/apt /var/www/html /home /etc/nginx /etc/php5 /var/lib/mysql 11:58:47 If I should be backing up something else, tell me. 11:58:50 fizzie: couldn't it just run as a couple of docker image or such? 11:59:15 Gregor: probably /var/lib/apt, more interesting than /etc/apt 11:59:25 Is the cheapo option much better than AWS? 11:59:34 since /var/lib/apt contains the installed package database 11:59:58 shachaf: it is probably not better, might be cheaper though ;P 12:01:06 Gregor: You could add /srv/esolangs.org for the wiki. 12:01:57 Vorpal: I backup /etc/apt and selections. You can mostly reproduce /var/lib/apt from selections, albeit a newer install. 12:02:50 Yeah, it's probably not *better*. But a t2.small instance already has a base cost of $16.84/month, plus $8.91/month for 100G of "AWS Data Transfer Out". 12:02:54 What a mess apt and apt-like systems are. 12:03:23 shachaf: How dare you insult our lord and true king Debian. 12:03:57 Honestly, I think this is entirely a circumstance to cheap out on. 12:04:31 There are lots of cheap VPS services, many of which are just fine. 12:04:53 One that I use and has literally had 100% uptime in the year I've been using it emailed me this sale: https://hostslick.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=177 12:05:05 $35/yr is a bit better than $25/mo 12:05:39 Right. The €3.99/month option had pretty good reviews (re support & so on) as well, and feels low enough that I think even without any sort of structured money-collection system I might get enough ad-hoc donations to cover it. 12:05:52 What about option (e) fizzie pays for an expensive option out of pocket 12:06:01 Or option (f) fizzie gets Google to pay for it 12:06:16 (Or just host it while they're at it) 12:06:30 I could just stick it on a U. Waterloo server. I really doubt anybody would notice ;) 12:06:35 (Note: I won't actually do this) 12:06:45 (Technically Google has an infinite number of machines, so it wouldn't cost them anything.) 12:07:34 fizzie: more seriously though, is there no option as a google employee to get a cheaper price for their cloud offers? 12:07:37 There's also the option (f)(ii), which is me paying half of it and getting Google to gift-match the rest, but that'd (a) involve setting up a separate non-profit to get to go/give, and (b) would really feel like trickery to me. 12:08:13 Vorpal: fizzie has no option at all to get the cloud offers at any price 12:08:32 shachaf: because you need to be a business? 12:08:34 hm 12:08:47 Vorpal: At some point there was a $30/month or so Cloud credit voucher dealie, but it's not really an option with the silliness with the Google Cloud and EU and VAT thing. 12:09:05 ah 12:09:18 Also it's not really guaranteed to run forever. 12:09:34 fizzie: yes I saw something strange about VAT when logging into linode just now. I wonder what that is about and how it will affect me 12:09:49 Actually, one thing I could probably leverage Google for would be to stick the esowiki backup directory (encrypted) onto Drive. As it is, it's saved on three hard disks here locally, but the offsite backup is only updated once a year or so. 12:10:00 (That's how often I visit Finland, where our bank safety deposit box is.) 12:10:12 How much Drive space do you have? 12:10:17 65G, I think. 12:10:41 I have 1TB but I think it'll be expiring soon. 12:10:55 Yep 12:11:00 I have dropbox instead of drive. Better linux client 12:11:06 as in, any linux client 12:11:24 I think I've got the regular 15G freebie quota and a +50G bonus. 12:12:19 https://github.com/odeke-em/drive has worked for me just fine. 12:12:41 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DESIGN CHICKEN). 12:12:53 (I don't really want automatic syncing anyway.) 12:12:59 hm they asked for VAT number, I don't think I have that unless I have a company? 12:14:04 Honestly, I can't even begin to imagine why people are considering Google Cloud or Amazon or what have you. We have a small wiki. It needs a dinky server. Cloud servers are designed—and priced—for scalability UP, not scalability DOWN. 12:14:20 indeed 12:14:48 fizzie wants to serve 5TB 12:14:54 Gregor: my point here was: do any of us who already have VPSes have spare capacity that would benefit this? 12:14:57 shachaf: per second 12:15:51 I'd say I do on my VPS, but no I don't have time to be full time admin. 12:19:17 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:23:23 fizzie: What if you developed a commercial code golf site with ais523? 12:23:28 Then you can use Google Cloud. 12:23:53 shachaf: I doubt it would be very successful as a commercial thing 12:24:10 It doesn't need to be successful to be a "business purpose". 12:24:23 I should probably just do the "get a dinky server and get some ad-hoc money" option, and then afterwards consider setting up a donate button via some service if that feels appropriate. 12:24:32 Though I did actually for reals look at the UK rules for charities, and if you opt for one of the forms that don't have a corporate structure (isn't a legal person and can't do contracts, but can own money & get tax benefits) it's not entirely impossible proposition. 12:24:49 heh 12:24:55 The biggest blockers are that I would probably need 1-2 other UK people as co-trustees (and possibly meet them physically once a year, that wasn't entirely clear), and the definition of "charitable purposes", while *probably* covering the wiki, might be a little hard to extend to other adjacent things, like #esoteric IRC bots. 12:25:18 Just sell out, man 12:25:27 fizzie: does the server run something other than the wiki? 12:25:27 You know you want to rake in the big esobucks 12:25:39 the irc bots run elsewhere don't they? 12:25:46 Vorpal: HackEgo runs on it as well. 12:25:49 They run at the same place. 12:25:54 HackEgo even gives wiki edit notifications 12:26:17 Well, that's done over UDP, they don't *need* to run on the same system. 12:26:37 fizzie: TCP surely? 12:26:41 No, UDP. 12:26:46 weird 12:26:47 Look, don't ask me, that's how MediaWiki does it. 12:27:08 UK charities aren't eligible for US tax deduction anyway 12:27:13 Apparently? 12:27:40 shachaf: Probably not. But they're eligible for UK Gift Aid for any UK donations. 12:27:48 fizzie: anyway, all you would need is something able to run a couple of docker images right? mysql, nginx and hackego 12:27:56 ugh, docker 12:27:59 I'm out 12:28:05 shachaf: so some other container solution then 12:28:37 shachaf: anyway what do you have against containers in general or docker specifically? 12:28:42 namespaces... good... containers... bad :P 12:28:53 the argument is complexity. 12:28:58 Containers are fine, but Docker is not 12:29:16 But maybe Docker is popular enough that I should give up and use it 12:29:19 shachaf: okay, I haven't used other solutions like rkt, so I can't really compare them 12:29:40 It's probably better if you build your Docker images with bazel or something instead of Dockerfiles. 12:29:49 And then you run them with Kubernetes or something. 12:30:05 and what use I have made of docker have been highly specialized and unconventional at work to simulate large number of embedded systems hammering on another embedded system. 12:31:20 I think I should sleep. 12:31:22 shachaf: right, Dockerfile syntax is a bit weird. 12:31:38 Syntax is not really the issue. 12:32:14 fizzie: anyway you might get sporadically reoccurring donations from me for the wiki. Don't expect anything monthly though. 12:32:19 shachaf: oh? 12:32:57 Vorpal: The monthly costs are likely to be so small, any sort of transaction costs would probably eat into them anyway. 12:33:09 Near-term, I think I'll just reply to the (two) comments on the talk page on the wiki and see where that goes. 12:33:38 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:33:58 The charity thing *is* real overkill, it just feels so tempting since (if I'm paying for any of it) the UK tax thing would be basically free money. (But it also feels like dubious tax dodging.) 12:34:10 Anyway, I think I really need to amble to work at this point. 12:35:19 cya 12:37:28 Gregor: why php5? (based on your backup paths). Isn't that ancient? 12:49:06 oh apparently it isn't. there was no php6 13:07:52 -!- Elronnd has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:11:53 -!- Elronnd has joined. 14:10:43 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:15:27 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:34:41 -!- erkin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 14:48:32 -!- zseri has joined. 15:04:07 php5 is both ancient and new ;) 15:09:04 Gregor: yeah I saw 15:45:24 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:23:38 -!- xkapastel has joined. 16:28:41 -!- augur has joined. 16:28:46 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:29:41 -!- augur has joined. 16:52:11 -!- jaboja has joined. 16:52:12 'Ello. 16:52:59 [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53414&oldid=53413 * Rdococ * (+152) 16:58:59 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:22:23 -!- garit has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:06:41 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:07:28 -!- augur has joined. 18:07:32 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:35:19 -!- zseri has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:40:55 -!- watered has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:08:03 -!- zseri has joined. 19:08:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:11:09 -!- garit has joined. 19:11:09 -!- garit has quit (Changing host). 19:11:09 -!- garit has joined. 19:11:24 hi 19:22:03 zseri: What do you think of basicfuck? 19:30:35 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:39:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:41:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:47:44 I think basicfuck is very similar to clearBF. 19:51:40 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 19:51:50 re Gregor telling about CaC handling the server on which the esowiki is running: ouch. that sucks. 19:52:34 Ð looks interesting 19:52:43 is there an implementation? 19:52:57 Vorpal, Gregor: when you say you have backups of everything, is that only the esowiki, or also HackEgo? 19:54:53 I separately have the hackego chroot backed up. 19:54:58 Also nightly. 19:55:13 fizzie: of those hosting options, which ones don't have a clause where if you use more network traffic than is in your plan, then you must pay for the extra data (as opposed to them limiting your internet bandwidth to very low or zero when you reach the data limit)? 19:55:52 fizzie: because I have the impression that some cheap hosting options simply want a few of the users to trip up and accidentally go over the network quota and get their actual income from that, rather than the nominal monthly plans. 19:56:03 Gregor: thanks 20:00:06 <\oren\> Google Translator is my favorite vocaloid 20:00:08 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiosKUO7oqo 20:02:39 -!- sleffy has joined. 20:03:11 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:04:08 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 20:04:15 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 20:04:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:22:47 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:34:26 I think CLooP should be extended to allow a default value for array elements (especially in GLooP mode, that one doesn't need to use a pforeach loop just to initialize any element, which, even in C, can be done using e.g. int array[N] = {0};) 20:46:48 @tell wob_jonas I have a weekly HackEgo repository backup as well. 20:46:48 Consider it noted. 20:48:35 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:53:06 \oren\: I was going to say it's Translate, not Translator, but apparently "Google™ Translator" is a Firefox extension you might've also meant. 20:55:30 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 20:55:44 fizzie: good 21:12:02 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 21:33:23 <\oren\> I bought a insanely powerful laptop! 21:33:53 <\oren\> https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9175.html 21:34:37 <\oren\> Just got the actual shipping notification 21:34:59 <\oren\> so it is on its way 21:37:45 I've got one of those, except under the "Schenker" brand. (Few years old, not really used any more.) 21:38:00 The power brick weighs like, well, a brick. 21:41:25 <\oren\> yeah I kind of expected that 21:41:36 <\oren\> 330 W is a ton of charger 21:42:15 <\oren\> I wonder how it compares to a Tesla's charger 21:45:33 <\oren\> never mind they are in kW 21:46:25 My laptop came with a 130W charger but I downgraded to 87W 21:52:02 <\oren\> shachaf: yeah but can your laptop play crysis at max settings 21:52:33 <\oren\> (or kerbal space program with a giant space station and all teh cool graphics mods) 21:52:53 What you should do is play Factorio instead. 21:52:59 It's better than all your other games. 21:57:21 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:04:06 -!- jaboja has joined. 22:12:21 <\oren\> shachaf: https://steamcommunity.com/id/orenwatson/games/?tab=all 22:13:53 <\oren\> I'm hoping that 32 gb of ram will help build larger cities in cities: skylines too 22:19:33 <\oren\> and of course I will stress test it by having an 8 by 8 dwarf fortress too 22:21:35 I don't see Factorio in the list? 22:22:11 bye 22:22:14 -!- zseri has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:22:26 <\oren\> shachaf: is it on sale? 22:24:25 <\oren\> if a tomato is a fruit, then is tomato soup a smoothie? 22:26:13 It's on sale for the usual price of $20 22:26:39 -!- Guest80236 has changed nick to Bowserinator. 22:26:42 Which is a good price 22:26:43 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Changing host). 22:26:43 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 22:27:20 \oren\: i thought its a berry. Then tomato soup a diluted jam 22:41:29 -!- j-bot has joined. 23:00:48 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:16:21 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 23:37:24 -!- ais523 has joined. 23:49:53 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:54:16 -!- sleffy has joined. 23:54:45 -!- moony has joined.