< 1512000384 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you eat mice? < 1512000385 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i had actually forgotten about that. couldn't have been ' foo drops packets with any ecn flags set'. save it similarily to `circe-chat-target', since i expect to pick up < 1512000402 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: they are plentyful and tasty! in season! organic! < 1512000402 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think he's snoring from the room. the south of the border between generics and duck typing, interfaces are inherent in the system. < 1512000417 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: they don't snore, just being generally invasive. < 1512000418 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: pupeno. ( 1) plus the size of the current write-buffer into the read-buffer. < 1512000436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512000591 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512000755 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512002601 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512002666 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512003527 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1512006380 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nurmohjymdpdjqas JOIN :#esoteric < 1512006647 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1512007466 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1512008007 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512009194 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: LOOKING CHICKEN < 1512009505 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :got pea soup fog today < 1512010069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal 214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53466&oldid=41060 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (-57) 10Portal 2 is not Turing complete < 1512010105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53467&oldid=53465 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (-28) 10To be a Turing Tarpit a language must be Turing complete < 1512010832 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512011071 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512011151 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Portal14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53468 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+826) 10Created page with "== Turing Completeness == Since I removed the [[Turing complete]] and [[Turing Tarpit]] tags, I figured I would include a proof that portal is not TC. === Proof of Turing In..." < 1512012125 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512012492 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512012653 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1512013354 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512013582 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512014006 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512017388 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512017739 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nurmohjymdpdjqas QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1512017846 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512019181 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aoxeyozafnfydamj JOIN :#esoteric < 1512019618 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own last-strike rules for Magic: the Gathering, which I had written before Unstable was announced, is a bit difference from the Unstable rules. < 1512019688 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you have done it, though? And what card you will make up with last strike? < 1512020300 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512020376 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512022998 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1512024195 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1512024200 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512025536 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512025890 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1512025911 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512027256 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1512029870 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5149:a06f:a4f:646e JOIN :#esoteric < 1512029945 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512030290 0 :variable!?@? NICK :constant < 1512030295 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5149:a06f:a4f:646e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512030339 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aoxeyozafnfydamj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1512030433 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512030485 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-173-169.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1512030954 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512031658 0 :constant!?@? NICK :function < 1512032330 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1512033525 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1512034060 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512034381 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5d9e:3993:b1cd:9327 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512034776 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512034777 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512034777 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512034794 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1512034817 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512034893 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512034947 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512035069 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512035191 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1512036571 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1512036597 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1512036597 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xccdfgtuighcqsag QUIT :*.net *.split < 1512036598 0 :wladz!~zuz@107.170.255.55 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1512036709 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512036924 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512036924 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xccdfgtuighcqsag JOIN :#esoteric < 1512036924 0 :wladz!~zuz@107.170.255.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512038302 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512038440 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :After something like three months of keeping https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Captcha/help open in a tab on my phone, finally added some specific help text in there. < 1512038443 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly only on the English localization; I'm not qualified to do most of the 67 other languages that message has been translated into.) < 1512038586 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do Finnish, I guess? < 1512038598 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do Finnish, and I could probably muddle through Swedish. < 1512038649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will need to have cookies enabled in your browser for this to work." < 1512038666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know what that means, TBH. < 1512038667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come esolangs.org doesn't show an annoying popup when you visit it to inform you that it uses cookies? < 1512038676 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you complying with all EU regulations? < 1512038695 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, I think we probably should be showing that. < 1512038705 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never looked into what the regulations exactly are. < 1512038717 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just because of my US-based IP address. < 1512038765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regulations were basically intended to prevent people using cookies for all sorts of random tracking, by requiring sites to tell people about long-lived cookies and what they were used for < 1512038773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most sites decided just to publish a really long list rather than actually use fewer cookies < 1512038795 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the warning is a stock MediaWiki feature. There's Extension:CookieWarning though. < 1512038823 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, some types of cookies are exempt. < 1512038852 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm < 1512038884 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the usual MediaWiki cookies are okay, then. < 1512038896 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the cookies esolang.org has set < 1512038918 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UseDC and UseCDNCache are the main suspicious ones, why are those client-side? < 1512038926 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Wikipedia show the warning for EU users? < 1512038956 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't, I just checked < 1512038960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those sound like they fall under "used for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication" < 1512038975 0 :Kristjan!~Krisostoo@82.131.38.184.cable.starman.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1512038977 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only got esolang_wikiUserID, esolang_wikiUserName and esolang_wiki_session set. < 1512038984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are moderately long lived, too < 1512038994 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, some of mine might have been there from a much older login, I guess < 1512039009 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I'll clear my cookies for Esolang and log back in to see how many I get < 1512039029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110353 < 1512039056 0 :Kristjan!~Krisostoo@82.131.38.184.cable.starman.ee PART #esoteric : < 1512039066 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have four: esolang_wiki_{_session,UserID,UserName,Token} < 1512039070 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those all seem reasonable < 1512039108 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what Token is for, and why I don't have one. < 1512039115 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, the esolangs.org front page is featuring a pretty good language. < 1512039125 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: apparently it implements the "remember me" functionality < 1512039129 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1512039133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you didn't turn that on? < 1512039141 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not logged in very often. :) < 1512039157 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we just parked it on BF because it's a fairly safe language to put there and nobody was going through the motions of updating the page < 1512039173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use that as a starting point for my own esolang. < 1512039176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, MediaWiki 1.29 (which I was thinking of upgrading to later today) changes the default cookie expiration from 180 days to 30 days, though "login cookies" (whatever they are) stay at 180. < 1512039178 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to change a few things around. < 1512039191 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You could replace the commands with humorous words. < 1512039367 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By the way, since you're one of the wiki admins... a UK hosting company offered to sponsor us a free server on their cloud infrastructure. I mentioned we might do a "tasteful, unostentatious" link to them from somewhere on the page, and they said they'd appreciate it, but it's not mandatory. Any concerns about that? < 1512039372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're already doing one to MediaWiki in the bottom header, I think it's in the same category of things.) < 1512039410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Userlogin-remembermypassword14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53469 5* 03Ais523 5* (+38) 10there's some debate about whether this option falls afoul of EU cookie law; let's give people informed consent about how it works, just in case < 1512039432 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not concerned about that, so long as it's factual (e.g. "hosted by {company name/logo}") < 1512039461 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to the "powered by mediawiki" logo, IMO < 1512039477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought too. < 1512039494 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Remembermypassword14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53470 5* 03Ais523 5* (+98) 10I can't figure out where this message is even used, but mentioning cookies in it too just in case < 1512039554 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, does this channel have any opinions on the recent ridiculous OS X security bug? < 1512039557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you end up buying a house by the power station? < 1512039563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that you? < 1512039587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty good bug. < 1512039610 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just wondering how it could possibly have come about < 1512039627 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they just have root with an empty password by default? < 1512039638 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, it's better than that < 1512039651 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they have code for upgrading password hashes from old hashing algorithms to newer ones on login, which is fair enough < 1512039668 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the account is disabled, the code that verifies the old password errors out and the upgrade code doesn't actually check the error < 1512039676 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, that's why it required two attempts. < 1512039689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(errors out while /fetching/ the old account data, not while /verifying/ it) < 1512039701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes ahead and sets the password on the account to whatever you entered anyway < 1512039713 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1512039717 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite something < 1512039745 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the account exists but you entered the wrong password, the fetch succeeds but the hatches don't match, and they actually did check the error there < 1512039782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can be done about error checking? < 1512039803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a cumbersome and verbose part of a lot of boring code. < 1512039811 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xccdfgtuighcqsag QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512039815 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions don't seem like a great answer. < 1512039819 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not having errors < 1512039848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust's solution of outputting enums that have to be unpacked to get at the return value is a decent one, IMO < 1512039859 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the function errors out, it outputs a different enum tag so you can't unpack it to the return valuae) < 1512039865 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'm not concerned about that, so long as it's factual (e.g. "hosted by {company name/logo}")" => could it say "hosting generously provided by {company name with link}"? < 1512039871 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that at least forces you to write the error handling code < 1512039876 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, to show that they've donated hosting for free < 1512039891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "hosting provided by" would be OK, I think; filling it with adjectives doesn't fill me with confidence < 1512039938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are at least two issues. One is that you can just forget to check the error. That can be managed with a fancier type system or these enums or something else. < 1512039969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is that the error handling code is so verbose and boring that no one wants to write it in the first place. < 1512039973 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. how about "hosting donated by {company name with link}"? < 1512039979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Rust has some macros for handling the common case. < 1512039995 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that works too < 1512040005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's not that noone wants to write it, but that noone wants to read it once it's written < 1512040025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'm talking about the code existing, not just how it gets written. < 1512040043 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: with a library I'm writing at the moment, the design is such that all errors indicate an actual problem in your own code (not in the surrounding environment), and thus you can safely handle them by, e.g., abort() < 1512040056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there'll be a wrapper generator that automatically handles all errors in a way of your choice) < 1512040086 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and I think there's a problem with the attitude how some programming people (especially the rust ones) try to encourage beginners to learn how to do full error propagation even in throwaway code, when in most code you could get away with just aborting with a stack trace on almost any error, < 1512040098 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error conditions in the surrounding environment are treated as a special form of user input < 1512040098 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several languages that make a distinction between errors and panics. < 1512040112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, this probably is heavily dependent on the fact that it's a UI library < 1512040165 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the problem when sometimes people want to handle just one type of error, but they don't handle that one early and propagate it correctly, and so they end up with catching all errors and trying to continue the program from wedge state after other unrelated errors < 1512040189 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sort of the opposite problem < 1512040189 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had to shout at people before now for just swallowing exceptions < 1512040192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Java < 1512040197 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512040211 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512040220 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they already know that most code doesn't have to propagate errors properly, they don't even know how to propagate that one important error that they do have to recover from < 1512040222 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512040229 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know these are two opposite lessons, so it's hard to learn both < 1512040230 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct treatment, IMO, is to rethrow (or just not catch, if the language lets you) if it's unexpected or if it's fatal, and handle if it's something that could plausibly happen and can plausibly be fixed < 1512040269 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but also catch the one error you care about as early as possible, not just catch in the outer loop and restart < 1512040282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1512040296 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512040317 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, there's quite a lot of catch(Throwable) in the code I'm working on at work, but then it has reason to violate a huge number of best practices because it's very low-level code < 1512040341 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I often complain about how people use multi-threading unnecessarily, or multi-threading in the wrong place, and when they do so, that often makes error handling harder. < 1512040367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang where all control flow is based on exceptions? < 1512040402 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it would be exceptional < 1512040402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure there is, I can't remember what it's called though < 1512040429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb < 1512040437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seen any exceptionala cats lately? < 1512040452 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but I think I saw a baby deer last night < 1512040459 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512040481 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret not stopping to take a photo, it was standing in a stream on my cycle home from work < 1512040483 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently after rust get the namespacing system almost right, people don't like the few small problems it has, and are trying to replace the whole thing with something completely new and much worse and depreciate the old one. that bothers me. < 1512040490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that uncommon in your part of the world? < 1512040501 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's unrelated to error handling.) < 1512040512 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what type of deer? < 1512040532 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/slistp appears to have exceptions as a major part of its control flow < 1512040700 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know, it was quite dark and I didn't get a long look < 1512040712 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rphhipppvgvgbmai JOIN :#esoteric < 1512040713 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been a cow calf, but that's really just as surprising < 1512040754 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richmond Park is full of deer herds. < 1512040769 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always lots of people taking pictures of them too. < 1512040784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live near Richmond but I've never been. < 1512040794 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be going there next week, though. < 1512040887 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is about where I was: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.1935737,0.1597291,242m/data=!3m1!1e3 < 1512040956 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang based on economic concepts? < 1512041217 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least one thematic one that talks about discounts on goods, but I think it's just a syntax substitution? < 1512041220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aware of any actually good ones < 1512041466 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: looks like slistp is the most exception-based language, in the sense of C++/Java-like exceptions < 1512041522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are languages like Incident whose regular control flow isn't Turing-complete and they need to rely on exceptional conditions to gain their computational power, but they aren't exceptions in the normal sense < 1512041759 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far can you get with just function calls, throw, try/catch, and like maybe print < 1512042076 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what kind of state would you have? < 1512043020 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1512043296 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1512043791 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512044006 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512044268 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512044544 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512044559 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5d9e:3993:b1cd:9327 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1512044779 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1512045160 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1512045375 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512045841 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512046396 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512049409 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D63D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512049504 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D63D.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented a sematic checker in ZXTW (to check the function argument count), which runs before the vm execution. < 1512052396 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512053085 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512053878 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512054227 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1512055325 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53471&oldid=49687 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10Post-upgrade edit test for 1.29.2. < 1512057085 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1512057481 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7723.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1512057608 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512058160 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1512059669 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512059699 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512061019 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512061642 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG has 13 different basic cards now, right? < 1512061723 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic lands of the five basic land types, snow basic lands of the five basic land types, Wastes, Relentless Rats, and Shadowborn Apostle. < 1512061836 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those last two don't have the Basic supertype, but have an equivalent condition with regard to deck building. < 1512062062 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-134-130.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1512062079 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-173-169.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512062093 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are eleven basic lands in Magic: the Gatering. The ones that aren't lands aren't basic either. < 1512062108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am calling the first five "conventional basic lands". < 1512062161 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512062605 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sort of weird is that Wastes, despite being both Basic and a Land, is not a basic land type, and has no basic land type. < 1512063089 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d8ba:467c:9041:282 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512063183 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1512063452 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has errata at the time of printing. I think they shouldn't do that; the text should be printed on the card. < 1512063916 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think that's errata. It just has the rules text not printed on it, the same way as https://magiccards.info/mprp/en/25.html (which I have) doesn't have the text printed on. < 1512064034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1512064082 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still don't like it though) < 1512064774 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should print a textless version of every card, so that people can play the most confusing version of M:tG ever. < 1512064798 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qztdhfhqdkltxpdv JOIN :#esoteric < 1512065590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: people can already do that by (1) using cards in languages that the players don't understand, although for some older cards this can be impossible because they're only printed in English, (2) bad homemade proxies < 1512065619 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like to play the confusing game, play the version where instead of using the actual card you have to use a different card with the same mana cost but is not a card you actually have. That is a game variant < 1512065657 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen people test some standard (several years ago) deck with unmarked proxies, where only the players know which cheap card stands for which expensive card, so as an onlooker it was very confusing to me < 1512065681 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you mean like Richard Garfield, Ph.D. ? < 1512065687 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name richard garf < 1512065692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Garfield, Ph.D. \ 3UU \ Legendary Creature -- Human Designer \ 2/2 \ You may play cards as though they were other Magic cards of your choice with the same mana cost. (Mana cost includes color.) You can't choose the same card twice. \ UNH-R < 1512065752 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, do you mean I can only play cards that I don't actually have? how would the other players verify that? would they have to check my entire collection to see that I don't have the card? < 1512065774 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No; I only mean that is not the card being used in the game right now. < 1512065778 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have most of my cards neatly sorted in boxes so I can find them reasonably quickly, but still < 1512065781 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1512065782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much better < 1512065798 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but making that effect a game rule variant rather than a permanent. (I think it was a game variant before the Unhinged card, actually) < 1512065825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1512065900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to buy a lot of {0} cost cards for that variant. < 1512065920 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512065977 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in that variant, when I cast a card with morph face down, do I have to announce that it's Disruptive Pitmage? or do I write that in a piece of paper under the card? < 1512066006 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1512066019 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read it somewhere but do not remember the rules or even if they had complete rules. < 1512066020 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd write it in a paper and slip it under < 1512066047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would probably have to be limits on what you can play < 1512066057 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name blacker lotus < 1512066058 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacker Lotus \ 0 \ Artifact \ {T}: Tear Blacker Lotus into pieces. Add four mana of any one color to your mana pool. Play this ability as a mana source. Remove the pieces from the game afterwards. \ UG-R < 1512066089 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd have to buy playsets of like five {0} cost artifacts for your deck this to play as black lotuses < 1512066108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blackererererest Lotus {0} Artifact ;; {T}, Burn ~ to ashes, Burn yourself to ashes: Add 17 mana of any single color into your mana pool. < 1512066241 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the action of removing the pieces go on the stack? my m:tg grammar is rusty. < 1512066257 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mana abilities don't use the stack. < 1512066261 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no. < 1512066304 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, if it says "target" then it is not a mana ability.) < 1512066334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the tearing part would certainly be part of the cost in modern oracle updates < 1512066362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably play old un-cards as if their oracle text were updated to modern rules < 1512066379 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7723.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512066389 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I read the tearing up as a cost, just the cleanup, would be fun to stifle that ;) < 1512066475 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, you mean the removing the pieces from the game < 1512066484 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that might be possible to replace somehow < 1512066492 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me search < 1512066672 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, replace it with anything other than removing it from the game < 1512066695 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are ways to replace it with another effect removing it from the game < 1512066790 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can replace it if you make a commander a copy of Black Lotus. < 1512066834 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep "^903\.9\." share/mtg/rules.txt < 1512066834 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :903.9. If a commander would be exiled from anywhere or put into its owner’s hand, graveyard, or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event. This is an exception to rule 614.5. < 1512066892 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:99ca:2dd5:cc56:17a1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512066908 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:99ca:2dd5:cc56:17a1 QUIT :Client Quit < 1512067048 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although then you'd have a host of problems, because per 108.2. the pieces might not even count as a card (in terms of comp rules) or an object < 1512067049 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512067078 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512067147 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But that is to be expected if you are playing Un-cards. < 1512067155 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1512067212 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d8ba:467c:9041:282 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512067214 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512067788 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512068372 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512068438 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a new rule for languages in GURPS, which is only applicable if your character can read and write Chinese. (This enables Xing La to save a few points.) < 1512068440 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512068713 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53472&oldid=53244 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+84) 10Added link to implementation < 1512068843 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53473&oldid=53472 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+35) 10 < 1512069785 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512069986 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512070961 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512071030 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512071083 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Client Quit < 1512072314 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512072684 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512073639 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D63D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512074357 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1512074467 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512075311 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512075504 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1512076316 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. < 1512076350 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1512077413 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512078578 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512078721 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512079461 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512079991 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1512079999 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:amphiboily//Amphiboily is Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole. \ compiler//A compiler (lit. “with-piler”) is one who builds piles together with someone else. \ whom//See: who \ `revert//`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See . It is a builtin command so ca < 1512079999 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1512080000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:nnot be called from other commands. \ mtg//MTG is short for Money Tapping Game. < 1512080029 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg is disturbingly accurate. < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rphhipppvgvgbmai QUIT :Changing host < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rphhipppvgvgbmai JOIN :#esoteric < 1512081391 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512081633 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the problem in click&point adventures is almost always the same... being stuck on a missed pixel < 1512081779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I like the feature where you press Tab and it highlights all the clickable objects on screen. < 1512081809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that was in Thimbleweed Park, now I remember. < 1512082125 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah many recent adventure games have such a feature (often using shift or control) < 1512082139 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512082315 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1512083785 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1512085429 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1512085512 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://staging.esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53474&oldid=53471 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+48) 10Test non-HackEgo wiki2irc gateway. < 1512085550 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, don't try to follow the https:// link, there's no TLS on that host.) < 1512085907 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GIVEN CHICKEN