< 1509494660 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like hellaweenie < 1509495811 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509496604 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the source codes of a QBASIC program which I had used before to transfer files from one computer to another over the RS-232 port; the computers used different disks, so I was unable to use a disk to transfer the files. < 1509496638 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the code in case it interests you: http://sprunge.us/RJdY < 1509496699 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think this program is a bit unusual in using PRINT instead of PUT to write the output, but, this still worked.) < 1509496821 0 :sdclaw!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1509497584 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509497620 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it has food! < 1509497825 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509497973 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out how the DRAWX .VEC format is working: It is a headerless file with a number of five byte records, which consist of a command code (a single ASCII character) and then two small-endian 16-bit numbers, being X and Y coordinates scaled into the range 0 to 1000 (where (0,0) is the top-left corner). Commands are 'P' to set a point, 'L' to draw a line, and 'X' for end of file. < 1509498269 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: QUIZ CHICKEN < 1509499965 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what this notation means? [w=w p9(+100b)] [d=w+m p6] [wi=sq+c p15] [li=sp15] [r=bad] [f=c12 p7] [w1=w+a p0(+50b)] [w2=w p14(+15b)] [f2=t p7] [r2=baht] < 1509500071 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found it in a file titled "TONYROOM", which seems to be a room layout, together with the cost) < 1509501275 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509503379 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509503406 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509503460 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509503620 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509503752 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509503799 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509504430 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509505050 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509505490 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1509505699 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509505808 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509505907 0 :iovoid!?@? NICK :EvilJS < 1509506588 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509507131 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509507264 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509507816 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509512691 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509512832 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509512965 0 :carlos!a02782ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.130.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509514010 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is two program for displaying farbfeld pictures, lel and ff-xwin. But, lel is a larger program, has some things that I should should be better to put in other program, and does not even deal with the colours of the display properly like X clients should do. < 1509515131 0 :carlos!a02782ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.130.174 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1509515918 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509517055 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509518520 0 :HoolooBOO!?@? NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1509519501 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509520325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509520427 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1509521254 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509521375 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509522800 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509523475 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509525369 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bccc:29a8:8188:8fdf JOIN :#esoteric < 1509525635 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:1132:bccc:29a8:8188:8fdf QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509528873 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509529047 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509529557 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509531053 0 :shiro`!~iwakura@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509531148 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pcdethrtilpskpld QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509531210 0 :shiro`!~iwakura@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi.. < 1509532435 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509533502 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uutxzryzhlormkov JOIN :#esoteric < 1509533526 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509533939 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509534492 0 :shiro`!?@? NICK :shiro_ < 1509535176 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509535187 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SWIMSUIT CHICKEN < 1509535399 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509536087 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1509536875 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509538918 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509539773 0 :shiro_!~iwakura@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509540339 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509542722 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:744c:fd85:92d2:da8c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509543565 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1509543666 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509544167 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:44b1:f1c2:5b8c:e666 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509544176 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509544181 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.114 QUIT :Changing host < 1509544181 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509544873 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509545666 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509552705 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509553123 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509553502 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509553554 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509553865 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509554028 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509555238 0 :FaerieFly!?@? NICK :FireFly < 1509555722 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/10/31/disliked-programming-languages/?cb=1 < 1509555789 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:55d5:1331:dd86:b443 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509556140 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1509556439 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like most of the languages are all clustered together on the left in "not-too-disliked" territory, but ruby, coffeescript, objective-c, and php are significantly more disliked (let's say "moderately disliked") while perl, delphi, and vba are way out to the right in "heavily disliked" territory < 1509556471 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i find surprising. i can understand the perl hate, but i would not have predicted delphi being further right than php < 1509556521 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, really confused about PHP not being right near the bottom < 1509558167 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1509559384 0 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing much, school stuff mostly < 1509560245 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol VBA < 1509560249 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to work in VBA once < 1509560254 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not much fun < 1509560284 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript isn't as high on the list as I thought < 1509561172 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Quit: quit < 1509561423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509561423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1509561423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509561494 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509562385 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1509563498 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509563598 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509564045 0 :Evilinator!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1509564572 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509564582 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509564739 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509564837 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`l//rn fun fact // fun fact (n.) information that I expect you don't care about at all but which I will tell you anyway < 1509564840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/l//rn: No such file or directory < 1509564867 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`l/rn fun fact // fun fact (n.) information that I expect you don't care about at all but which I will tell you anyway < 1509564868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/l/rn: No such file or directory < 1509564891 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i'll remember commands names < 1509564943 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls le/* < 1509564944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rm \ le/rn \ le/rn_append < 1509564974 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1509564976 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509564977 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat le/rm < 1509564978 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ rm-p "wisdom/$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z)" \ echo "Forget what?" < 1509564985 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes some sort of sense. < 1509564999 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slightly annoying the way those aren't in /hackenv/bin, but, you know, slashes. < 1509565052 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn fun fact // fun fact (n.) information that I expect you don't care about at all but which I will tell you anyway < 1509565055 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'fun fact ': 0,04 fun fact (n.) information that I expect you don't care about at all but which I will tell you anyway < 1509565074 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to unrecommend the spaces. < 1509565082 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1509565111 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now whats the edit command < 1509565129 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -e 's|^ ||' < 'wisdom/fun fact ' > 'wisdom/fun fact'; rm 'wisdom/fun fact ' < 1509565131 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1509565141 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always found it easier to just edit the files instead of trying to remember the commands. < 1509565156 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but i know there is one < 1509565167 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one for editing contents, I don't think it's generic enough to also edit the file name. < 1509565174 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509565185 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :slwd or sth < 1509565202 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509565218 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds likely. < 1509565223 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`head bin/sled bin/slwd < 1509565224 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :head: cannot open ‘bin/sled bin/slwd’ for reading: No such file or directory < 1509565226 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` head bin/sled bin/slwd < 1509565227 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​==> bin/sled <== \ [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sled file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || { echo 'Rosebud!'; exit 1; }; sed -i "$value" "$key" ; \ \ ==> bin/slwd <== \ cd wisdom; sled "$1" | sed '1s/^Rosebud!$/Roswbud!/' < 1509565262 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sled for the generic thing and slwd for the wisdom-specific one. < 1509565518 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509565560 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509565564 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509565820 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509565993 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509566137 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509567995 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509568029 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509568841 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509569941 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1509570016 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509570152 0 :Guest37314!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509570152 0 :Guest37314!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509571159 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509571189 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509571248 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509571257 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509571277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck? So "central heating" in English refers to a different and much broader concept than in Hungarian? What's WRONG with the English language? < 1509571325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean in Hungarian? < 1509571332 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in English, "central heating" means any form of heating the interior of a building that doesn't have separate heat generators per room. < 1509571338 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English it refers to a system in which there's a house-wide system for heating, as opposed to having a separate heater in each room < 1509571377 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is almost always accomplished via the use of a centralised hot water boiler + radiators that radiate the heat from the water into the room < 1509571400 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hungarian, "központi fűtés" only refers to a subset, namely heating buildings where multiple houses are heated by a hot water generator as a communal city infrastructure service. < 1509571425 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't think we even need a word for that in English, it's very rarely used here < 1509571447 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue that translating that into "central heating" is misleading < 1509571485 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is cheaper in theory than other forms of heating (definitely cheaper if you live near a power plant), and has less maintenance problems, but also offers less control for the individual apartment owners, because they still have to pay when they don't want to heat their apartment. < 1509571523 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even in big cities, or in cities near big power plants? < 1509571570 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in the biggest city in the UK (second-biggest if you consider the whole of London a city; for weird historical reasons only a very small proportion is) < 1509571574 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have anything like that here < 1509571625 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1509571733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense, I guess it's just that people in the UK don't like living near power plants, and many of our power plants aren't suitable for combined-heat-and-power anyway < 1509571768 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509571776 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not just one of the places where communal heating is impractical because houses are spread too far apart, or because the climate is so warm that people rarely need heating even in the winter, or because oil is so cheap that people leave the engine of old fuel-hog buses on all night because the engine has a bit of trouble starting up. < 1509571858 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the power plant is the rare case, most people in Budapest don't get heating from them, but the one special case of Paks where everyone has their house heated to too hot and aren't allowed to set the radiators to cooler because the power plant needs cooling should count. < 1509571892 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK it's usual to see steam towers when factories or power plants need cooling < 1509571907 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :high chimneys which let hot steam into the atmosphere, it cools quickly because it's a gas < 1509571910 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have plenty of water here < 1509571963 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wob_jonas: The Finnish literal translation of "central heating" (keskuslämmitys) means what the Hungarian term means, and it's also almost ubiquitous in cities. < 1509571965 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well sure, it's not an accident that the biggest power plant of the country, in Paks, is next to the Danube. < 1509572023 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily I've never lived in a place that has communal heating. < 1509572037 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think building a CHP system in the UK would be unlikely nowadays because new power plants are normally nuclear (and people are unwilling to want cooling water from a nuclear power station in their radiators), or wind/tidal (which can't be used for CHP) < 1509572075 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two apartments where I lived with my parents were really cold, and both had a one per apartment water boiler standing radiator (no floor heating) central heating. < 1509572118 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The apartment where I live now is much warmer even if I don't turn any heating on, because unlike the previous ones, it's heated by the apartment under and the others around it, and also has better insulation. < 1509572150 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wob_jonas: Actually, sorry -- misremembered. In fact "keskuslämmitys" means something closer to central heating, and "kaukolämpö" (lit. "far heat") means the other one. < 1509572174 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I thought "district heating" was the English word? < 1509572180 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had to turn on heating yet, I'll turn it on the first time I feel cold any early morning in the bed under the thick down (feather) duvet with all windows closed. < 1509572193 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"District heating (also known as heat networks or teleheating) is a system for distributing heat generated in a centralized location for residential and commercial heating requirements such as space heating and water heating. The heat is often obtained from a cogeneration plant burning fossil fuels but increasingly also biomass, although heat-only boiler stations, geothermal heating, heat pumps and < 1509572199 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :central solar heating are also used, as well as nuclear power." < 1509572200 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possibly; it's rare enough that I don't know what the word is < 1509572200 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know the English words for all this. < 1509572232 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there's some of this in London. < 1509572232 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's correct, it also provides water heating as a side effect. < 1509572239 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating#United_Kingdom < 1509572283 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and this apartment has two per-room enclosed burning space municipal gas heaters as the main heating source. < 1509572327 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, it's pretty popular where I came from: "In Finland district heating accounts for about 50% of the total heating market, 80% of which is produced by combined heat and power plants. Over 90% of apartment blocks, more than half of all terraced houses, and the bulk of public buildings and business premises are connected to a district heating network." < 1509572336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the majority of houses over here use a gas boiler for heating < 1509572357 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's my impression as well, from coworker talk. < 1509572375 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :electric heaters are common if you only want to heat one room, or want heat only rarely < 1509572383 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This apartment is all-electric, which I think is considered a little uncommon. < 1509572412 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, not unheard of but rare < 1509572413 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels like it costs a lot, though the only point of reference I have is our apartment in Finland. < 1509572424 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gas boiler still accounts for multiple heating systems. it can be per apartment, or a central one for a small building with the water boiler in a scary damp cellar to scare children with, or district heating; and it can use ordinary wall-mounted radiators or floor heating pipes. < 1509572452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gas is much more efficient at heating than electricity is; many power plants are gas-fired anyway, and burning the gas in your home means you get all the energy from the gas as heat, as opposed to using electricity where much of the energy was lost at the power plant < 1509572468 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the exception is if the electricity comes from a renewable source but the UK is nowhere near 100% renewable yet) < 1509572495 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right, the details can vary a lot < 1509572511 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hear all electric is common in Sweden because they have cheaper electricity, and small towns with too thin and cold soil so it's difficult to maintain pipes for municipal gas. < 1509572543 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: renewable source doesn't imply that it's efficient, but sure < 1509572544 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heating system in this house was changed a couple of years ago to use a different sort of centralised boiler, the old one was much larger than the current standard and built into the walls < 1509572561 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general gas heating is more efficient, but there are all sorts of details that can make it hard to use < 1509572562 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old one used a chimney, the new one just has a vent through the nearest wall (but is self-contained) < 1509572581 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an electric "immersion heater" in here, which runs once a day to heat up a bunch of water. It feels really odd to have all this infrastructure invidiually per-apartment, in an apartment building. Back in Finland it was all invisible, somewhere in the building basement. < 1509572627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have an immersion heater which we never used, that was changed in the refit though < 1509572636 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you have gas heating, there's the overly bureaucratic chimney maintenance service which is supposed to be taking care of people's safety, especially against carbon monoxide poisoning, but actually just keep inventing frequently changing random rules to screw with people. < 1509572641 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and an electric shower. I don't think I've ever seen one in Finland. < 1509572661 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very common to have a batch water heating system here, with a hot water tank that's re-heated once or twice a day < 1509572666 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules change more frequently than the normal lifetime of any sort of heating appliance. < 1509572668 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you have controls to set the exact schedule < 1509572687 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: in the UK it's strongly recommended that you fit a carbon monoxide alarm but there are no rules actually requiring it < 1509572690 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any of that trouble with district heating in Budapest < 1509572695 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I'm aware of, at least < 1509572704 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, but that's not enough < 1509572721 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An "electric shower" is a thing that's connected to a cold water supply, and it heats water up on-demand as it's used.) < 1509572762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, those are very common in the UK, even in houses which otherwise use gas heating < 1509572773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mixer showers that work by mixing hot and cold water are also common < 1509572789 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with using the regular hot water supply for a shower is that it has a tendency to run out when you're using a batch water heater < 1509572793 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not everyone in the house can have a hot shower < 1509572809 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mix taps are completely standard here < 1509572815 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually with only one control < 1509572818 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for this apartment they manage to keep complaining about something, not about the room heating because the enclosed space heaters are simple and can't cause any trouble, but about the small boiler for hot water generation. < 1509572846 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours is a very basic model, so you only have three heating settings (cold, one heater, two heaters) and you do the temperature control by adjusting the water flow. Makes for a really sad excuse of a shower, but at least it never runs out. < 1509572863 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ouch < 1509572888 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I hear the UK has this strange system where they often haven't invented a simple water mixer that we have in almost every tap here, except for a few cold water only taps < 1509572923 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: those were illegal for a long time, IIRC there was some sort of issue with contamination of the mains < 1509572968 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's such a thing as a "kitchen mixer tap" which mixes hot and cold water but only after it's already come out of the tap < 1509572973 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even restaurant taps that are set to hot water only with no way for the user to adjust, to make people buy more drinks, are mix taps, only with a screw from the mix tap removed by the owner so that the users can't grip it < 1509572973 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by dropping them near each other < 1509572977 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to avoid that sort of problem < 1509572990 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: huh, how does that work? < 1509573003 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, why would hotter water make you buy more drinks? < 1509573029 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's strange. I've seen such two tap systems even in Hungary, but only like twenty years ago in old dorm buildings inside rooms or something, not in reasonable places < 1509573071 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the guests use the warm water to wash your hand in the bathroom, but don't drink it because it's too warm for their tastes (when people drink water, they usually prefer cold or room temperature water) < 1509573088 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509573089 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they instead buy drinks from the restaurant or pub in glasses or bottles or whatever < 1509573092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, I didn't realise anyone would drink water from the bathroom taps < 1509573108 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, anywhere which sells alcohol has to give everyone (cold/mains) tap water for free on request < 1509573129 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, they have that strange thing in the UK too? I hear the US has an issue where people don't want to drink from taps, and have separate water fountains or something < 1509573146 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, in theory restaurants have to serve tap water in a glass < 1509573154 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just really inconvenient to drink from a tap directly < 1509573162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people aren't really supposed to bring their own glasses < 1509573163 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes they don't do that, or interpret your order of water as non-tap water and charge from it, or something < 1509573174 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you have to be very clear to say "tap water" < 1509573195 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just say "water" a typical restaurant will serve you something much more expensive in the hope of making a profit < 1509573197 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even without that, once they have to order, they might order other drinks < 1509573228 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this happens the most often in restaurants that already want to gain profit from tourists or clueless people < 1509573310 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most people drink using their two hands, but they also wash their face at sinks with taps with their two hands, which is something I could never really figure out. I'm in the minority who drink by directly holding my mouth under a tap, and wash my face by holding my face under the tap, or sometimes drink using a soft drink bottle. < 1509573351 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird tap design, it's hard to fit your face under the tap with a typical sink < 1509573361 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also willing to drink warmer water in those kinds of skiing restaurants than most other people, I only refuse to drink when the water is so hot it already hurts for washing your hands. < 1509573362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, some sinks I've had problems even just fitting my hands there :-( < 1509573376 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, some taps make it hard. that's what coke bottles are for. < 1509573449 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally either modern thin mineral water bottles that you can fold if they don't fit under, or a half-liter mineral water bottle that fits slanted under most taps (in most places the faucet is also not fixed too strongly to the sink so I rotate it a bit even though I'm not supposed to). < 1509573650 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drinking from a bottle can be unhygienic, yet I still do it a lot. < 1509573661 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not supposed to, but it's simple. < 1509573824 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't understand how people even take showers without a mixing tap. Washing up is possible without, using the more water efficient technique of filling a sink with water, which people here always do when there's a lot to wash up at the same time. < 1509573856 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common to do that here too, except for rinsing < 1509573865 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a bowl of hot water for washing, then rinse under the tap once you're done < 1509573886 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I've heard of all the inconvenient cleaning methods people used up to like twenty years ago, before basically every apartment started to have a bathroom with shower or bathtub as a standard component, but still. < 1509573946 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody but very poor people lack a shower of some form or bathtub these days. < 1509573982 0 :EvilJS!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1509574051 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all showers have a mixing tap, because the bathrooms already have to have hot water, and throwing in a mixing tap is simple enough on that, simpler than having a separate hot water and cold water tap. < 1509574171 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's one difference. Showers in individual home bathrooms typically have a shower head on a flexible tube; communal showers usually have a shower head in a fixed high position on a rigid tube instead. This is because the flexible tube often gets leaky and has to be replaced once every few years, but is cheap to replace.) < 1509574285 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other grandmother, who died over twenty years ago, actually lived in a poor house without a shower or bathtub, so she had to wash her body from a bowl, but even there she had a mix tap with hot and cold water. < 1509574411 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't use a mix tap for washing themselves only when either (a) they're in such poor housing conditions that not only they don't have a bathroom, but also no access to proper hot water, and have to boil water in a pot on a stove for washing themselves; or (b) it's a shower outdoors on a beach or similar with only cold water, used only in war < 1509574411 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m temperatures. < 1509574541 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The no mix tap thing seems a strange foreign practice to me, sort of like squat toilets. < 1509574627 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can admit that having taps with the controls placed in reverse can be a genuine cultural difference that's too stuck to reconcile after international travel got cheaper, sort of like driving on the left; and the same about upside down light switches, and ceiling light switches placed at waist height. < 1509574724 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Here most taps that have two separate dials for cold and hot water have the hot water dial on the left hand side, ones that have a single handle give hot water if you pull that to the left; you press pysical light switches on the top or pull them up to turn them on; and room light switches are at height.) < 1509574761 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These are arbitrary conventions, but they're useful at that if they're standard.) < 1509574780 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509574885 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509574943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use electric showers in the UK? < 1509575035 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509575070 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: both electric and mixer showers are common < 1509575133 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people at the UK at least have a tall enough tap in either the kitchen or the bathroom that you can fit your head below them? I hate not tall enough taps. How the heck are you supposed to remove foreign objects from your eyes? Everyone knows you must do that with running water whenever possible. < 1509575142 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean just a cold water tap. < 1509575147 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need a mixing tap for that. < 1509575159 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: normally you physically throw water into your eyes < 1509575170 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes described as "splashing" it < 1509575208 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but that doesn't really work. that's a workaround for when you don't have running water because you're not in a building. < 1509575229 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen an electric shower but I heard they were common in the UK. < 1509575238 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1509575248 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if they have a shower, they can use that instead < 1509575251 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a bathroom tap < 1509575259 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not perfect, but works < 1509575327 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509575414 0 :moonytheawoo!?@? NICK :moonythedwarf < 1509575420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wwhy is it not perfect? < 1509575432 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really I've heard of the no mix tap thing in UK from descriptions, but I mostly forgot about it until now. I should really keep that in mind when I decide whether to work abroad and where. < 1509575483 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: maybe about half the public toilets I use have mixer taps on the sinks, the other half use separate taps < 1509575518 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shower works well, but some showerheads are ridiclous, they spew water everywhere in a large area rather than concentrating them in a medium sized beam, so you'd get everything wet. For washing your eyes, you want the water to hit mostly a small area at the bridge of your nose. Tap at bathtub can work but can be harder to reach from outsid < 1509575518 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e the bathtub. < 1509575530 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Oh, I thought you meant electric showers. < 1509575562 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why does electric matter? cold water works for washing your eyes (warm water also works, mind yuo) < 1509575584 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: electric and mixer showers still have the showerhead (the bit that actually outputs the water) working the same way, the only difference is how the water is heated < 1509575588 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superheated water might have adverse side effects < 1509575590 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see. how about in private apartments? < 1509575601 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only half-reading the conversation, I didn't see anything about showerheads. < 1509575614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: they're separate in my house, I don't go to a lot of other peoples' bathrooms though < 1509575623 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1509575623 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas, most toilets I use have mixer taps, most kitchens don't < 1509575659 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what kind of bathrooms people have in private apartments in Sweden either. I've only been to like four apartments, but all four are ones where Hungarians live. < 1509575682 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thanks < 1509575683 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been to Sweden or to my knowlege in a Hungarian's apartment < 1509575924 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally different topic. I was thinking of trying to watch some other cartoon TV series franchise (besides MLP:FiM which I've been following for three seasons now). Top contender is Steven Universe, followed by Ben 10. Do you have any recommendation for or against them? < 1509575931 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is hard because you'd have to know my preferences. < 1509576304 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also watched much of Phineas and Ferb and enjoyed it, plus most of the original Powerpuff Girls series. < 1509576631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're after kids'-tv-that-adults-like then adventure time seems to be widely loved < 1509576781 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm < 1509576874 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509577283 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... this channel is half European, so I should ask at a time that's not a bank holiday, and earlier in the day < 1509577295 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a bank holiday in the US by the way? let me look that up < 1509577334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are bank holidays in the US. < 1509577353 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, holiday in US and UK too (but not in Sweden or Norway) < 1509577365 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, today's a holiday in the US? < 1509577405 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: today as in --11-01. it's --11-02 now here < 1509577459 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What holiday? < 1509577474 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, sorry, not a public (bank) holiday in the US apparently < 1509577492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the US doesn't really have official holidays. < 1509577498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor in the UK < 1509577511 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do people know when shops and offices are closed then? < 1509577545 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such shops and offices that are normally closed on sundays that is < 1509577679 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is a holiday in Hungary and some of the neighboring countries < 1509577724 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are conventions. < 1509577741 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The federal government has a holiday schedule and I guess most people use those. < 1509577760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe add some others or remove some. < 1509577775 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: doesn't that make them public holidays? < 1509578006 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1509578023 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509578036 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1509578086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does us daylight savings time end btw < 1509578100 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Sunday. < 1509578137 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 2017-11-05 in most places < 1509578147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1509578148 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few don't use daylight saving time adjustments < 1509578198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1509578203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish everyone got rid of DST. < 1509578208 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently they don't adjust their tz offset at the same time, but at the same local time around the country. weird. < 1509578215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should move to Arizona. < 1509578270 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the half of Europe that does do DST adjustments, they do it at the same time < 1509578337 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509578357 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always at 01:00 UTC, regardless of whether their winter timezone offset is +0 or +1 or +2 < 1509578369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the codebase i'm working on right now mixes local and utc times in ways i don't really understand < 1509578371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less than ideal < 1509578405 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509578537 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking at some point on what the best API would be for a datetime module that covers timezones and the gregorian calendar and all sorts of datetime calculations. Obviously this is subjective. I have a particular idea that I might try to implement as a wrapper some day. I quite like the perl Date::Manip module, but I'm thinking of an API mor < 1509578537 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e suitable for a statically typed language, < 1509578560 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without the part where Date::Manip refuses to handle sub-second precision. < 1509578620 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe at first I should sketch the API as a patch to Date::Manip that adds more methods and depreciates a few existing ones in favor of the newer ones. < 1509578636 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that interface is nice, but not perfect. < 1509578663 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that probably wouldn't work. I'd have to change it to almost unrecognizable. < 1509578721 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1509578721 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509578734 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: go on < 1509578759 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is that code base written in Excel? Excel doesn't seem to understand about time zones. < 1509578763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's in kdb < 1509578776 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, you use kdb? < 1509578778 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1509578780 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in older versions. They may have added stuff since. < 1509578783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has different shortcuts for utc timestamp vs global timestamp < 1509578793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, market databases, what else :p < 1509578802 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, that surprised me too < 1509578814 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this for a job? < 1509578820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1509578829 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the job? < 1509578830 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently people use some modern APLs in finance, including kdb and dyalog. < 1509578861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, uh... kdb developer, basically < 1509578866 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it surprised me because I don't remember seeing Phantom_Hoover on the freenode #jsoftware channel where we talk about various APLs, not just the original topic J < 1509578878 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what are you and/or your employer accomplishing? < 1509578930 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you are hereby invited to #jsoftware, where you can find a few other people who use APLs for work < 1509578938 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I emphatically don't do that, and don't want to do that either < 1509578962 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm, do you work for Kx or for some other company? < 1509578968 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity < 1509578978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work for one of the irish kdb consultancies < 1509578983 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1509578998 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was chatting with a guy from Kx at a meetup here a few months ago < 1509579004 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which apparently accounts for an awful lot of kdb developers, half my team is irish < 1509579061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the details are probably boring and i'm not sure they aren't sensitive, basically we pull price data from a few sources, clean it up and provide it to other teams downstream < 1509579085 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509579166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1509579178 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1509579387 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about US and UK DST switchover differences is, about half of our reoccurring meetings shift by an hour for that one week, but it's completely arbitrary, since it depends on the time zone of whoever happens to be the nominal organizer of the meeting. < 1509579419 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ouch < 1509579431 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I visited freenode live over the weekend, which was a pain because it meant three time shifts during one weekend (two for the flights back and forth, one for the DST change) < 1509579434 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you also sometimes get meetings at the wrong date because you confuse date formats? < 1509579445 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least Sweden and UK both do the DST change simultaneously, so there's that < 1509579492 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: exactly, that's what I said. the half of europe that does any DST changes at all change at the same time. in the US, the part that uses DST changes change multiple hours apart. < 1509579509 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nod < 1509579541 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't think that happens too much (Google Calendar is reasonably good about making dates non-ambiguous), although sometimes dates in other contexts (like emails or bugs) end up being confusing. < 1509579611 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Oh, you're Freenode staff, aren't you. < 1509579630 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The recurring time is not strictly speaking tied to the time zone of the nominal organizer -- it's a property of the event, but that's where the default comes from.) < 1509579631 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaah < 1509579633 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah* < 1509579642 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I helped organise the event too :P < 1509579671 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also someone hirefly'd a few months ago btw < 1509579700 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well. like 1½) < 1509579718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't I HireFly all the time? < 1509579719 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. If you set different time zones for the start and end times (which is apparently supported), the 'repeat' option is disabled: "A repeated event cannot start and end in different time zones". < 1509579722 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi FireFly < 1509579722 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi FireFly. HireFly. < 1509579753 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant in the 'hire' sense more than the 'hi' sense < 1509579910 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1509579931 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of HireFly? < 1509580010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently some proposal that UK should adopt BST all year round, and "double summertime" when it's usually DST (so effectively just switch to CET), and also there was a newspaper article just the other day where a sleep researcher recommended Finland to switch to CET too. < 1509580015 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should adopt both, since then there'd be no UK/Finland timezone difference to think about. < 1509580038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uk went to BST year-round in like the 80s i think < 1509580070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for a trial period and it got shouted down by the scots b/c they didn't like how dark it got on winter mornings < 1509580102 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've heard. And there was the double summer time ("BDST") during the second war. < 1509580153 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: webdev and mobile app dev, JS stuffs mainly < 1509580574 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1509581195 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509581492 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1509581574 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uutxzryzhlormkov QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509581699 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xsqhyikdvowbecrm JOIN :#esoteric < 1509581877 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509582000 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1509582000 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 020000Z 18006KT 15SM -RA OVC035 07/03 A3027 RMK SC8 SLP254 < 1509582150 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509582623 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xsqhyikdvowbecrm QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509583289 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rciwspqesqsqsias JOIN :#esoteric < 1509584065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509585022 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: RECKLESS CHICKEN < 1509586481 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509587635 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509589050 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1911@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.17 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1509589354 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509589764 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509589953 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509590205 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509590207 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509590382 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509590671 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509590952 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591185 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509591270 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591328 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509591340 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591466 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509591522 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591679 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509591702 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509591702 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509591737 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509592094 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1509593391 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509596497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Loudcolour 5* 10New user account < 1509596581 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509596785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MMP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53316 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+2097) 10Created page with "This looks like a neat language! I wanted to let you know that [https://gist.github.com/ScratchMan544/70e3dfbe091c5f3e46d47a99a8e4e7e6 I've written an implementation]. There a..." < 1509596873 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509597000 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509597145 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509597250 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509600141 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509600412 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509600807 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509605108 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509605289 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1509606141 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1509612160 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509612160 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509613632 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509618888 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509620463 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many nostrils do you have? < 1509620463 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: one of the reported matter the purchaser. not only lavished on executives." < 1509620484 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Executive Nostrils™ with Leather Upholstering. < 1509621528 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: KNUCKLE CHICKEN < 1509630133 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509630437 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509630625 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509634104 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1509634288 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509635509 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509635712 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1509635828 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509636686 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1509636703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1509636703 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 3d 18h 44m 19s ago: Re: Who cares about ancient cases anyway? / To whom it may concern... < 1509636730 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1509636732 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1509636737 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1509636738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1509636744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grmbles
< 1509636807 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/whoops < 1509636808 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»" < 1509636819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1509636841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget fun fact < 1509636843 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1509636848 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1509636850 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1509636948 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test < 1509636949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test failed. HackEgo-JUnit is not available. < 1509636953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? testing < 1509636955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1509636979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn testing // what happened with that < 1509636982 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'testing ': 0,04 what happened with that < 1509636985 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1509636997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just saw numbers in the logs) < 1509637002 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1509637004 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1509637177 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I haven't programmed with an esolang before what should I try? < 1509637308 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want to program with one? < 1509637330 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fun < 1509637333 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I want to make one < 1509637359 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of fun? the challenge of doing something with limited tools? the fun of exploring something weird? < 1509637367 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1509637389 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge is a lot of fun < 1509637556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also funge98 is unusually usable, right fungot < 1509637556 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the short form agreement.?? < 1509637756 0 :alercah!?@? NICK :lexer < 1509637903 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509637969 0 :lexer!?@? NICK :alercah < 1509638571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funge-9814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53317&oldid=52671 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+84) 10/* Instructions */ < 1509638877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53318&oldid=53177 5* 03Finianb1 5* (+27) 10/* Befunge-93 and Befunge-98 */ < 1509639707 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually want to make useful programs, the best bet might be certain non-esolangs with strange features, like haskell or some APL < 1509639727 0 :carlos_!a02790d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.144.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509640304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1509640564 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509642714 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509643029 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509643274 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe we should conduct a poll whether Countercall is TC. < 1509643289 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof by poll, that's a new one < 1509643320 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what? that's not one of those languages whose meaning keeps changing according to popular vote or something, right? < 1509643326 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523 wrote on the page that he believes that it is TC... I'm leaning towards no) < 1509643360 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's my intuition as well < 1509643396 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said < 1509643397 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'd prefer a proof, but the language is just awful enough to make that hard (for me, at least). < 1509643403 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would not be the first time I've been proven wrong < 1509643423 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it becomes a perfect target for conjectures :P < 1509643549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53319&oldid=52409 5* 03B jonas 5* (+46) 10 < 1509643616 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Carlos 5* 10New user account < 1509644285 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lost14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53320 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+2780) 10Made page < 1509646135 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509647645 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509647690 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1509647997 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509648020 0 :carlos_!a02790d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.144.217 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1509648353 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509648947 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509650342 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509651257 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509653947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Three Star Programmer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53321&oldid=46069 5* 03Ais523 5* (+146) 10/* Computational class */ TC proof sketch < 1509654322 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509655171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509655171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1509655171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509657211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1509657213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is revolutionary < 1509657226 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :🙌 < 1509659418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53322 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3203) 10Created page with "''Geo'' is a simple interpreted toy programming language. I, [[User:b_jonas|b_jonas]] created it in 2006 for a programming course that required implementing a parser using ya..." < 1509659508 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53323&oldid=53322 5* 03B jonas 5* (+96) 10 < 1509659523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :does geo have goenerics < 1509659605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53324&oldid=53323 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2) 10 < 1509659646 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, gno < 1509659653 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53325&oldid=53277 5* 03B jonas 5* (+10) 10 < 1509659747 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53326&oldid=53324 5* 03B jonas 5* (+25) 10 < 1509659770 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Olvasható14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53327&oldid=53309 5* 03B jonas 5* (+25) 10 < 1509659795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53328&oldid=53326 5* 03B jonas 5* (+40) 10 < 1509660087 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53329&oldid=53328 5* 03B jonas 5* (+413) 10 < 1509660241 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Geo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53330&oldid=53329 5* 03B jonas 5* (+38) 10 < 1509660901 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53331 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1319) 10Created page with "'''Scan''' is a toy programming language. I, [[User:b_jonas|b_jonas]] created it in 2003. I published it to the world around 2006. Scan is dynamically typed, values can be..." < 1509660959 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53332&oldid=53325 5* 03B jonas 5* (+11) 10 < 1509661048 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53333&oldid=53319 5* 03B jonas 5* (+114) 10 < 1509661063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol gno goenerics < 1509661119 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509661134 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1509661136 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gno < 1509661137 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gno? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1509661672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509662153 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509662226 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509662887 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countercall indeed sounds like it's not obvious whether it's turing complete or not < 1509662896 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its feature set is so awkward < 1509663005 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1509663032 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently leaning towards yes but wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong < 1509663110 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is that it only has two places to store data and they're both critically important for other things, /and/ it's easy to prove that you need to shift data back and forth between the two of them for TCness < 1509663112 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's not turing complete, but I don't really know < 1509663169 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fine with only two places to keep data and shifting data back and forth, that's how two stack automata work, but this one is just so awkward < 1509663204 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it'd be easy if the data were just data, rather than being inherent to the language's control flow at the same time < 1509663245 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's just too few ways to control flow < 1509663261 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were multiple ways to call a function which use the counter differently, it would be easy < 1509663428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53334&oldid=53331 5* 03B jonas 5* (+3) 10 < 1509663548 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just realized that scan is not turing-complete, because it only has the one stack that stores returns and localized values of variables, and all values are fixed point integers or functions that don't close over anything at runtime.) < 1509663554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fixed point/machine/ < 1509663958 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509664300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is untyped lambda calculus TC without closures? admittedly, I'm not 100% sure what that would mean < 1509664322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly, currying wouldn't work, which get rid of most of the usual constructions < 1509664443 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um... how would that work? < 1509664450 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus without closures? < 1509664457 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does < 1509664492 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, Splinter is pretty close to this < 1509664498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a PDA < 1509664501 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean that functions only store a reference to the stack, and you can call them only as long as the innermost block of which it refers a variable hasn't exited yet? < 1509664517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that a function value isn't stateful < 1509664529 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a reference to a block of code, like in C < 1509664542 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also don't have algebraic types? < 1509664548 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sounds like a pushdown automaton < 1509664554 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so isn't turing complete < 1509664561 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have a heap < 1509664595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, I think it's a PDA < 1509665079 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan, of which I just wrote a stub entry, is actually sort of like that. a function value only holds a pointer to a node in the parse tree. no closing over values. < 1509665185 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rules for variables is this: variables with the same name in different compile-time scopes are distinguished. local variables are dynamically localized in the correct scope, but closures don't record any value or reference to them. variable access just takes the innermost localized value that corresponds to the same variable in the sour < 1509665185 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ce code. < 1509665197 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not quite sure it works that way. < 1509665378 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest way to have such a language is to only have global variables instead. < 1509666116 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1509666260 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1509666270 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think if you only have globals, it might not even have enough power for a push-down automaton. I'm not sure. < 1509666288 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there's even a difference if you can't get input. < 1509667319 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1834@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.52 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1509667322 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509668577 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509668708 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509669429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509670181 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509670191 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509670268 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:55d5:1331:dd86:b443 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 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:doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509677137 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1509680927 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1509681287 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prxrinnmjicllvag JOIN :#esoteric < 1509684622 0 :shiro`!~shiro@unaffiliated/shiro/x-7941500 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509685111 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509690927 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509691168 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509691918 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fahrlgzctcvexjda JOIN :#esoteric < 1509691996 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fahrlgzctcvexjda PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tampio is a lazy purely functional programming language that looks like a natural language – Finnish. https://github.com/fergusq/tampio < 1509698421 0 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:b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to the future, time traveler." http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/time-machine < 1509722372 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you'd say to someone who arrives here if Da Vinci arrived here with his time machine? < 1509724254 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509724485 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1509724504 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you recognize him as leonardo < 1509724556 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead you say "yo what's up leo! i see you managed to build a time machine! we never knew! are you sure you want all the spoilers on technology you're about to get?" < 1509725260 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we do know he's built a time machine. < 1509725500 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1604.html < 1509725612 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1509727011 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: just to be logical, that doesn't imply he built a time machine < 1509727132 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact the easiest way to get a time machine is probably to steal one from another time traveler.) < 1509727463 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, and I actually don't think he's a time traveler at all. I personally think he's an overblown artist who didn't really know anything about science or technology, just drawn a few sci-fi sketches that moved modern people's minds. Like both Bacons. < 1509728331 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhsntgcvlltkwcph JOIN :#esoteric < 1509728673 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509729094 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1104 < 1509729095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1104: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1509729154 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSS is a bit confusing atm. < 1509729156 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ssss < 1509729158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSS refers to the Stand Still, Stay Silent webcomic. < 1509729558 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1509729586 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1509729586 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is necessary for me to establish a winner image. Therefore, I have to beat somebody. < 1509731345 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509731348 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509731590 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509732035 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "... and currently, that's my wife." < 1509732039 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1509732064 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1509732064 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try to take on a new personality; it doesn't work. < 1509732067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1509732067 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject the cynical view that politics is a dirty business. < 1509732106 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a contrast to Trump, who wholeheartedly embraces it. < 1509732135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1509732135 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a great day for France! < 1509732137 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1509732137 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can take it. The tougher it gets, the cooler I get. < 1509732233 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509733129 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509733218 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm earthquakes are irritating. < 1509733311 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( https://www.zamg.ac.at/cms/de/geophysik/erdbeben/aktuelle-erdbeben/karten-und-listen/bebendetails/austria/quakes/2017307_evid52784989 ) < 1509733311 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: unexpected < 1509733311 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Operator without known fixity: < 1509733311 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ://, expected: space < 1509733311 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.zamg.ac.at/cms/de/geophysik/erdbeben/aktuelle-erdbeben/karten-und-> < 1509733311 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1509733340 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: you know I put those spaces there for better cut&paste-ability... *sigh* < 1509733395 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weather < 1509733396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK PAMR < 1509733413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is lambdabot ignoring HackEgo again? < 1509733429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1509733429 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 031753Z 14013KT 10SM OVC085 16/12 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP174 60000 T01560117 10156 20128 51008 < 1509733438 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is lambdabot ignoring HackEgo again_ < 1509733438 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: deal and should we get to the parent of the resolutions of sole on 04/ 23/ 2000) the big of an this interview.? < 1509733468 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1509733468 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that is intentional < 1509733469 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hasnát lambdabot always ignored it because HackEgo puts some mandatory prefix whitespace character to its replies? < 1509733483 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9 < 1509733494 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only for lines that start with some characters. < 1509733501 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509733503 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1509733503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why `? weather starts with "lambdabot: ". < 1509733525 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't lambdabot only care when the line starts with an at sign? < 1509733543 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @eval [0..] < 1509733557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help eval < 1509733557 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval. Do nothing (perversely) < 1509733557 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help eval < 1509733557 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval. Do nothing (perversely) < 1509733564 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509733572 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: itym @run < 1509733585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run symbol "hello, world" < 1509733588 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1509733588 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: symbol :: [Char] -> t < 1509733588 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Perhaps you meant ‘isSymbol’ (imported from Data.Char) < 1509733589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509733596 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo off < 1509733599 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run var "hello, world" < 1509733601 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello, world < 1509733610 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it does listen with that prefix < 1509733627 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, wouldn't HackEgo prefix that so it doesn't look like a nick? < 1509733629 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1509733646 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1509734312 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509735438 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509735507 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509735713 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509735720 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509736663 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509738008 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509738218 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509738806 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509740685 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509741418 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509743232 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1509743388 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509744197 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509744342 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509744862 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509744988 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509745042 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509747823 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509748927 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509749994 0 :EE01!~Kigurashi@162.213.231.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509750028 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509750036 0 :EE01!~Kigurashi@162.213.231.46 QUIT : < 1509750058 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509750517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509750733 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509750835 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril, but another one. < 1509750835 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: with that in mind that we received the help it to set the peak to be on the same, < 1509750976 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhsntgcvlltkwcph QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1509751656 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509751667 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qsofhyqzznocrtxl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509751932 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: FLOOOOR < 1509752058 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1509752147 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509752175 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ROLL CHICKEN < 1509752806 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you see if my "rgbff" program is now working OK or if there is a bit problem? < 1509752830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not see. < 1509754689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509755384 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509755433 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509756264 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's fungot's SRC again? < 1509756264 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: have we been able to be all the more you that we confusing scheduling services with a would deliver the " one of the office on the days that < 1509756274 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1509756821 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1509756821 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1509757006 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509757276 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1509757276 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron* europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1509757284 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's about enough of that. < 1509757286 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1509757286 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1509757303 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So what should I do with that amulet again? < 1509757303 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: drop your vanity and get away with it if it would cleave it in the halls of valhalla in asgard, the mistress of the ring, by terry pratchett) < 1509757320 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "drop your vanity and get away with it" is good advice. < 1509757387 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is it a good idea to zap myself with a random wand? < 1509757387 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if your ghost kills a player, it says, is found by a touchstone, men by gold." ( the two towers, by william shakespeare) < 1509757420 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, one of the Bard's lesser-known works. < 1509757619 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because tolkien found it and claimed it as his own < 1509757650 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "drop your vanity and get away with it" sounds like a great way to booby trap your house when the police are trying to get in < 1509757681 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hang the vanity by a rope above a trap door over the front doormat < 1509757688 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop it when they come to break down the door < 1509757696 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get away < 1509758211 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been enjoying soup searching http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b2ce4-cint67e8s14567/C1 < 1509758317 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard someone suggested adding hazmat signs to make it more difficult for the police to get in < 1509759223 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509759243 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509760560 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1509760561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is revolutionary < 1509760612 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is unavailable due to budget cuts < 1509760615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is unavailable due to budget cuts < 1509760663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/d1wg//dowg "$@" | head -n1 < 1509760665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/d1wg < 1509760672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`d1wg password < 1509760682 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11236:2017-11-04 learn The password of the month is unavailable due to budget cuts < 1509760684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that could be confused with `1 < 1509760689 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, these things are meant to be confusing. < 1509760843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%C3%A0_di_Bruno%27s_formula is pg < 1509760865 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509762850 0 :furozo!~furozo@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509762870 0 :furozo!~furozo@d60-65-43-137.col.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1509763937 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509765144 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509765418 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1509765432 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509769778 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509770537 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1509776430 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509776707 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509777033 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509780301 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509780975 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qsofhyqzznocrtxl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1509783997 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509786371 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509788240 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509790383 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509790917 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509791017 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509792312 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag quotes < 1509792316 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11200:2017-09-26 ` sed -i \'$s=sha[c]haf=shach\x0faf=\' quotes > /dev/null \ 11199:2017-09-26 revert \ 11198:2017-09-26 ` sed -i \'$s=shachaf=sha\x0fchaf=\' quotes \ 11197:2017-09-26 addquote shachaf: i\'ve a long road ahead of me, it would be flattering. dudes got to act in accordance with my fina < 1509792366 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad. < 1509792755 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509793028 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad? < 1509793417 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no new quotes makes me sad < 1509794093 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcddezjwzpk6la.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509794105 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1509794124 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509794133 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1509798213 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509798970 0 :Alan_!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509798977 0 :Alan_!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1509798993 0 :Alan_!?@? NICK :Guest46499 < 1509799026 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509799082 0 :Guest46499!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1509799124 0 :Guest46499!5219e70d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.231.13 QUIT :Client Quit < 1509800433 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509800915 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509800961 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509800978 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1509802396 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509802895 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509803613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509804532 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509805460 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Countup14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53335 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+483) 10Created page. < 1509805631 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509806922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07IJL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53336 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+406) 10Created page with "IJL is a Interesting Not Not Joke Language. An example program: print() Outputs: ERROR!! CODE CORRECT! This: SUM(1+1) Outputs: 600# This: SUM(99+990000000) Outp..." < 1509808353 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509808951 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509810084 0 :tuyy!~androirc@37.168.169.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509810178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509810627 0 :tuyy!~androirc@37.168.169.136 PART #esoteric :"Message" < 1509811853 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509811922 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509812652 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813191 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509813255 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813255 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :What mathematical operation is a mirror reflection of a multiplication in this sense: multiplication at low bits have 'influence' of just 2 bits, and multiplication result at high bits have 'influence' of all bits in input words. Now: what operation makes answer where low bits have 'influence' of all bits, and high bits have influence of only 2 bits? < 1509813342 0 :Remavas!?@? NICK :Remavas|procz < 1509813361 0 :garit!~garit@94.196.190.57.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813361 0 :garit!~garit@94.196.190.57.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509813361 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813363 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509813380 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813382 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509813464 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813466 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509813489 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813491 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509813528 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509813539 0 :garit!~garit@92.40.249.109.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813539 0 :garit!~garit@92.40.249.109.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509813539 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509813985 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509814313 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509814371 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509814759 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815117 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815117 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509815117 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815121 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509815136 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815136 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509815136 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815138 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509815177 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815177 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509815177 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815179 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509815197 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815225 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509815292 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815665 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509815750 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509815750 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509815750 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509816052 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1509816073 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509816073 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509816073 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509816077 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509816448 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509816448 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509816448 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509816616 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509816854 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509817902 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509817960 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xfzpydoqgrqslslx JOIN :#esoteric < 1509821938 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1509822149 0 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fahrlgzctcvexjda QUIT : < 1509823237 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509824274 0 :Remavas|procz!?@? NICK :Remavas < 1509824495 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509824582 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509824584 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509826012 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509826318 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509826318 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509826318 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509826323 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509826340 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509826340 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.46.53.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509826340 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509830630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509830682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509831646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509831842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509833179 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509833215 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509833544 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509835492 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1509837327 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53337&oldid=31020 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+1013) 10 < 1509837376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53338&oldid=53337 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+1) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509837413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53339&oldid=53338 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+1) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509837511 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53340&oldid=53339 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+1) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509839967 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509841656 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509843339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509843807 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509844976 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53341&oldid=53340 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+472) 10 < 1509845184 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53342&oldid=53341 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+0) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845348 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53343&oldid=53342 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+134) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845393 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53344&oldid=53343 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (-134) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845526 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53345&oldid=53344 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+123) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845557 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53346&oldid=53345 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (-41) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845604 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53347&oldid=53346 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (-3) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845714 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53348&oldid=53347 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+39) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845751 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53349&oldid=53348 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+3) 10/* Constructing More Conditionals */ < 1509845935 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53350&oldid=53349 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (+40) 10/* Converting from BF */ < 1509846325 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509847554 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53351&oldid=53350 5* 03JeffryThunderStrike 5* (-212) 10/* Converting from BF */ < 1509853119 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509853957 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509854960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT is using RLE compression, but it isn't boustrophedon RLE. See picture: http://zzo38computer.org/img_1C/townzzt.png If boustrophedon is in use, then the run lengths for the yellow part near the armory can be grouped together, and the run lengths for the blue parts near the bank can be grouped together. < 1509859777 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509860656 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1509862582 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509863461 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509869091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Dan zh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53352 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+63) 10Created page with "Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here be Dragons. Talk here" < 1509869202 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dan zh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53353&oldid=53143 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+102) 10 < 1509872194 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Haddock14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53354 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+521) 10Created page. < 1509872407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Haddock14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53355&oldid=53354 5* 03Dan zh 5* (-4) 10 < 1509872696 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfd14puwpjfc2b.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509872729 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Haddock14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53356&oldid=53355 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+883) 10 < 1509874245 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS has a broadsword that weighs 3 lb, but there is no longsword listed. I looked it up in Wikipedia; I can't tell what it should be, because it seem that the terms "broadsword" and "longsword" are not refering to specific types of sword (such as the "arming sword", which is sometimes called a "broadsword"). < 1509874620 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about swords? < 1509876657 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xfzpydoqgrqslslx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1509877771 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509878079 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509878204 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509878353 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509878907 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509879722 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509879775 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509881535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509886938 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509891822 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509891840 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509891961 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509896501 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509897108 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509897567 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1509899816 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.136.206.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509899816 0 :garit!~garit@188.28.136.206.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509899816 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509903168 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509904582 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1509904614 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1509905569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509906265 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1509906540 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dan zh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53357&oldid=53353 5* 03Dan zh 5* (+91) 10 < 1509908213 0 :__20h__!~some_one@r-36.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509908218 0 :__20h__!~some_one@r-36.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evening. < 1509908224 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening good. < 1509908229 0 :__20h__!~some_one@r-36.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will an article about javascript be accepted in the wiki? < 1509908246 0 :__20h__!~some_one@r-36.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :»This wiki is dedicated to the fostering and documentation of programming languages designed to be unique, difficult to program in, or just plain weird.« This fits javascript pretty well. < 1509908510 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect so? But, if you have something to write, then, to write it, I suppose. < 1509908755 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language has a good ability to generate the code in the runtime, is system-level(gpu access, probably realtime too), and is platform independent(or minimum tweaks needed)? < 1509908896 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does that, I don't expect to be platform independent, I suppose. < 1509908996 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, i thought its an impossible combination =( < 1509909265 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509909418 0 :MrBusiness3!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:3cd4:aa5a:1eb7:eb6f QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1509910862 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509910910 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509911681 0 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509911970 0 :ATMunn_!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509912041 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1509912047 0 :ATMunn_!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1509912061 0 :catern_!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509912673 0 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-249-177-44.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1509912702 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509912702 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509912702 0 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509912702 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-177-44.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509912702 0 :zgrepc!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzsqzaauvwqvowdr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509912702 0 :diginet_!?@? NICK :diginet < 1509912702 0 :catern_!?@? NICK :catern < 1509912867 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@185.14.184.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509913239 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@185.14.184.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509913308 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1509913618 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509913882 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1509914228 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509914541 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509914848 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program to read the Macrocell format used in Golly. < 1509915218 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.24.214.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509915218 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.24.214.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509915218 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509915421 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509916476 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language? < 1509916629 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C < 1509917239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509918489 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509918735 0 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1509918807 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509918926 0 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1509918929 0 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host < 1509918929 0 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1509919201 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509920437 0 :olsner_!?@? NICK :olsner < 1509920478 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1509920716 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509922656 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/magnet.html work for anybody else? < 1509922882 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: doesnt work on adroid < 1509923019 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1509923398 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% sure what it *should* look like. < 1509923415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does work for me for some values of "work". < 1509923438 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me its an empty white rectangle < 1509923527 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I'll play with it some more the upcoming week < 1509923528 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me there's a thing that looks a little like a magnetic field plot, which rotates around the X axis, and outside the initial screen size there's vaguely Sierpinski triangle -ish stuff. < 1509923542 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blue-and-white on black. < 1509923546 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes that's what it's supposed to do < 1509923597 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it works for me on Chromium (61.0.3163.100) and Firefox (52.4.0) both. < 1509923606 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfd14puwpjfc2b.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509923703 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back in 2008 the sierpinsky stuff was a bit of an accident... I wanted a darker border, then black, but ran out of space in the intro) < 1509923752 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, good night < 1509924503 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509924782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509926402 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1509926416 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509927304 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509927425 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509927457 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509927703 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509927786 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509927819 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509927959 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jategoqavujqyqbn JOIN :#esoteric < 1509928259 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509928299 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1509929392 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509930182 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1509930206 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest50674 < 1509930247 0 :ATMunn_!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509930289 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1509930309 0 :ATMunn_!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1509931349 0 :Guest50674!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1509931354 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf QUIT :Changing host < 1509931354 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1509931540 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509933556 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I also wrote the program to write Macrocell format, too. < 1509933738 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1509934346 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509934433 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a location where I can find massive historical records of METAR reports for a given region? < 1509934515 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the region i guess < 1509934543 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Specifically trying to find the dates of first snow for Anchorage, Alaska < 1509934546 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather underground and noaa keep historical weather data < 1509934560 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably with data about snowfalls that don't stick- so when it snows, then it all melts, then it snows again < 1509934595 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the wunderground database? < 1509934752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way that everyone just kind-of assumes that this channel would be a good place to find people who know the answer to questions like that < 1509934776 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's offtopic, but kind-of "in the sphere of the channel" enough to make it worth a try, I guess? < 1509934875 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah. < 1509934881 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In this case, it's because of a girl < 1509934897 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[that I'm asking the question, not that I'm asking here in particular] < 1509934897 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ JOIN :#esoteric < 1509934904 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... hi. < 1509934909 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi rdococ < 1509934932 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi rdococ. I'm trying to determine the date of first snow each year in Anchorage < 1509934941 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[0]: OK, so now you have to design an esolang where the source code is expressed in terms of weather, and you enter it by, hmm, physically moving a mobile phone with sensors into a place with appropriate weather < 1509934944 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I came here a few years ago (or more) (it's foggy to me), then I'd like to apologize for what was probably by behavior back then. < 1509934954 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/by/my < 1509934970 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How about by METAR? < 1509934998 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I recognise your username < 1509935001 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't remember much about you < 1509935007 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: You were one of the first people I ran into when I joined this channel and I don't recall you being unpleasant < 1509935035 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wunderground seems wonderful. You get 500 API calls per day (throttled to 10/minute) for free. < 1509935057 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I was gone from here for quite a while and don't visit here that often nowadays, so I wasn't really aware that you'd been missing < 1509935057 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it doesn't give you historical data < 1509935067 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yea, I guess. But I do know that at least one person here doesn't particularly like me for things that, most likely, happened in the past. < 1509935081 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've been here before, as in last year, but I'm talking about 4-5 years ago. < 1509935109 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm < 1509935143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first I have from you in my logs is 2015 < 1509935154 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1509935163 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi guys uh... I have an article about an esolang -- it explains everything while being a really short stub... what should I do? < 1509935168 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At $600/month (for the absolute maximum plan), you get 100 000 calls per day, 1000 per minute, and you have access to: < 1509935169 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509935197 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound like you were familiar with the channel already < 1509935212 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509935218 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory is foggy, though. I can't really remember. < 1509935228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(among other things, you apparently /expected/ it to be ontopic, rather than being jaded enough to really /hope/ it would be ontopic this time) < 1509935246 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1509935250 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geolookup, Autocomplete, Current conditions, 3-day forecast summary, Astronomy, Almanac for today, 10 day forecast summary, Hourly 1-day forecast, Satellite thumbnail, Dynamic Radar image, Severe alerts, Tides and Currents, Tides and Currents Raw, Severe alerts again somehow, Hourly 10-day forecast, Yesterday's weather summary, Travel Planner, Webcams Thumbnails, Dynamic animated Radar image, Dynamic animated Satellite image, and Current < 1509935250 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tropical Storms < 1509935294 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also get all of that for free with the aforementioned 500/day, 10/min throttle as a developer < 1509935302 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[this user does not contain paid content] < 1509935922 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509936930 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jategoqavujqyqbn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1509937307 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ELECTORAL CHICKEN < 1509937972 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509939195 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1509939875 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509941974 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509941997 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509942326 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509942360 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1509942383 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest70965 < 1509942477 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509949906 0 :Guest70965!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509949906 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509949906 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509949906 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509949906 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509949907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1509950097 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509950110 0 :carlos!a02790d7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.144.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509950221 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509950312 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509950561 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509951061 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509951325 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1509952315 0 :grumble!?@? 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NICK :grumble < 1509952929 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509953289 0 :carlos!a02790d7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.144.215 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1509953571 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1509954303 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509956618 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1509959606 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509961027 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1509961062 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509961262 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509961304 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1509961323 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1509963230 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1509963321 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509965919 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1509966750 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1509966862 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1509967714 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509968012 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509968168 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509968379 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1509968391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:codo//The codo button is the dodo's undo button. \ arabic//.scihpylgoreiH sa drah sa ton hguoht ,troppus stnof ekam ot drah yrev si taht egaugnal citimes lartnec a si cibarA \ fizzbuzz//Fizzbuzz is the enterprise version of counting, where you replace certain numbers by buzzwords. \ finity//Enjoy being locked in your matrix of finity. \ < 1509968861 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfd14puwpjfc2b.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509969395 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1509969396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: atm//An ATM is when you're withdrawing money right now at a machine that will steal your relevant info. < 1509970432 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for data processing < 1509970446 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data ♥ < 1509970763 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( s/steal/duplicate/ ) < 1509970973 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd atm//s/steal/duplicate/ < 1509970975 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm//An ATM is when you're withdrawing money right now at a machine that will duplicate your relevant info. < 1509971002 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SHRINK CHICKEN < 1509974229 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfd14puwpjfc2b.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509974508 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1509974581 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1509974600 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-allbexztktvtrwjy QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509974622 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khwpyebzmgtovdah QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1509974628 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-raufhxygcngqtqke JOIN :#esoteric < 1509974660 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtgjrkfnnxtvodxo JOIN :#esoteric < 1509974671 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1509976844 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509979310 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1509979729 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-165-239.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1509979906 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-90-193.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1509983199 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509983380 0 :Taneb!?@? NICK :benaT < 1509983393 0 :benaT!?@? NICK :Taneb < 1509983436 0 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ Ⱥ < 1509983436 0 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Program name (Ⱥ) is restricted to characters in [a-zA-Z0-9_-], sorry. < 1509984519 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509984522 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509984536 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509984540 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509984567 0 :garit!~garit@188.30.182.218.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509984567 0 :garit!~garit@188.30.182.218.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509984567 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509984571 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509984608 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509984610 0 :garit!~garit@188.30.182.218.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1509984610 0 :garit!~garit@188.30.182.218.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1509984610 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1509984919 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1509986371 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1509988259 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:44b1:f1c2:5b8c:e666 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1509988874 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:7c3e:ea89:1e87:aea6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509992201 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509992225 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-177-44.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509992491 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-177-44.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1509992901 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509992949 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1509993485 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1509993908 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509993961 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509994112 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? count < 1509994114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :count? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1509994568 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509994799 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: apparently webgl2 is too new; https://caniuse.com/webgl2 says that it doesn't work in the standard android browser < 1509994947 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but plain webgl should actually suffice for what I'm doing) < 1509994954 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:7c3e:ea89:1e87:aea6 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1509994983 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:7c3e:ea89:1e87:aea6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509995008 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im using yandex browser 17.9 < 1509995049 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1509995273 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509995520 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, or not. '^' : bit-wise operator supported in GLSL ES 3.00 and above only. < 1509995619 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(webgl only supports GLSL ES 1.00) < 1509995652 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A web browser ought to include support of regular expression search of text in the current document. < 1509995657 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where webgl = webgl 1.0 < 1509995709 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should add some kind of error indication though :P
< 1509996127 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1509996436 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1509996436 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1509996436 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1509996736 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1509996744 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1509997709 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concept: Language where scopes are first-class objects. Variable access and variable assignment uses an optional scope variable - if s is a scope, then you could do "s v = 3" to set v to 3 in that scope. The global scope, simply named 'global', contains every other scope, and is parented to itself. 'local' is a global reference (in the 'global' scope) to the current scope, and 'code' would be a global reference to an AST representation of the code < 1509997709 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is currently being executed. < 1509997770 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both 'local' and 'code' are in the 'global' scope - therefore, if you change the current scope to a scope which is not in the 'global' scope, you would not be able to access 'local' or 'code' by normal means (without having a reference to the 'global' scope in the scope you're in now). < 1509997917 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions would also have access to an explicit continuation, and would have to call it to return. In effect, when you create a function, you're creating a custom continuation which gets the continuation of the invoker. < 1509998129 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1509998338 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, *every* call is a call/cc. < 1509998371 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, a jump/cc. Rather than monologuing in this chat, I'm going to move the stuff in my Notepad++ document for it to a gist. < 1509998567 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1509998602 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1509999147 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1509999186 0 :Guest70965!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1509999190 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf QUIT :Changing host < 1509999190 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1509999306 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1509999308 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1510002489 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest RLE is with only homogeneous runs. Some (such as PackBits) support both homogeneous and heterogeneous runs. But I thought also a third kind of run could be done, which is copy above. < 1510003914 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1510003931 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510005352 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made program to encode and decode Dr.Halo .CUT files (ImageMagick can only decode). Some of these pictures http://cd.textfiles.com/fantaziasampler/CLIPART/CUT/ will even compress slightly better with my software (only by a few bytes though; often the file size is the same as the original though). < 1510005463 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510005842 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1510006772 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.200 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510006784 0 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.252.200 QUIT :Changing host < 1510006784 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510008203 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never heard of that format so i have no opinion < 1510008984 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510009107 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510009203 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510009460 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1510009910 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510010007 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510010088 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAARGHRIGOEHRGIEOHGIEORGHIERGHIORHGIOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFLBLBLBLBLBLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÁAAAAAAAAAH! < 1510010498 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uplkdyvozbpqorzc JOIN :#esoteric < 1510010809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510010877 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, I am off to repair my ears. < 1510011266 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats wrong boily? < 1510011287 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510011358 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510011599 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't porthello at all during the weekend! < 1510011731 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510011812 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510012415 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510012467 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: OPERA CHICKEN < 1510015135 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510015509 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1510017021 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510017224 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1510017643 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510017754 0 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0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf6lkyy2wv3ajv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510076342 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1510076357 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1510076735 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510077611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510077611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510077611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510079626 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510079755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1510080098 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510080983 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1510080997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​con//Cons are small mammals which, shortly after birth, eat two other mammals. They then live on sunlight and grass, until they are finally removed from existence. < 1510081745 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510082457 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510082885 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510083022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1510083275 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510084032 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a con eat other cons, int-e? < 1510085564 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510085942 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510086065 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to be careful with the vicious clothing cycle. Basically, some clothes get more comfortable the more I wear them, because washing with a rinse agent makes the cotton softer. But when I choose what clothes to wear, I often choose the more comfortable ones. So there's a positive feedback loop for wearing older clothes, which eventually get rui < 1510086065 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ned, without breaking in the newer clothes. < 1510086372 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do what hermit crabs do. Steal broken in clothes from someone slightly weaker than you < 1510086537 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: stealing clothes is not socially acceptible. the usual method is to buy clothes from people slightly *richer* from you, usually people notionally in the UK who just sell their warm winter clothes in the spring and sell their summer clothes in the autumn. < 1510086626 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notially in the UK" means that every used clothes store that isn't selling clothes collected as charity is labeling them as "British used clothes" for the quality associated with that, just like how chocolate is labeled as "Belgian" or "Swiss" regardless of where it's made. < 1510087034 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The british are known for the quality of their used clothes? < 1510087102 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: they do know, since all non-charity-based used clothes stores started to label their clothes as UK < 1510087128 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows where the used clothes really come from, or where Belgian and Swiss chocolate really comes from, but now they're stuck with that label < 1510087258 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The charity shops have it easier, because all the big charities already use the names of big reputable organizations, and are now reputable as charities themselves too, namely the Red Cross charity, the Baptist charity org, the Maltese (as in Holy Order of Malta) charity org, and the Ecumenical charity org. < 1510087371 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why reputation plays a large part in the used clothes market, because unlike chocolate you get to try it before you buy it. < 1510087478 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's combine the two ideas and open a used chocolate market < 1510087524 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great. Here in america we have rainbow foods which is a used food store < 1510087530 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: well sure, but there's so many shops you're unlikely to go in every one and try each garment sold in them < 1510087584 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm underestimating the density of used clothing shops in Britain < 1510087597 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: um, these stores aren't in Britain < 1510087602 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're here in Hungary < 1510087643 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if the clothes really were British, that would imply that Britain doesn't have many used clothes stores, it just exports all those used clothes to here < 1510087668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how western europe exports used cars to Hungary, then Hungary exports them to southern europe, then southern europe exports them to africa < 1510087672 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something of that sorts < 1510087690 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought maybe the british had the attitude that every month deserves a fresh set of clothes < 1510087716 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: well that's what these used clothes stores imply < 1510087742 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they buy fresh clothes every season, and give away the old ones to be sold in Hungary < 1510087778 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, noblesse oblige < 1510087783 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Swedish buy a new car every seven years, give away the seven year old cars to Hungary, who use them for seven more years, then give them away to Bulgaria, who then use them for seven more years, then give them away to central africa < 1510087819 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C.A.R. < 1510087821 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The British cars aren't exported to Hungary obviously, because they drive on the wrong side of the road.) < 1510087990 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian drivers no longer use both sides of the road? < 1510088069 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: no longer. they switched to using only one side some time in the first world war or something < 1510088252 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the very few side effects of big wars: since almost all the existing infrastructure is exploded by nazi soldiers as they leave the country, you might as well retire old standards as you rebuild things. otherwise it's so hard to switch to a different standard in some things. < 1510088264 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1808@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/few side/few convenient side/ < 1510088460 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wrong side/left side/ < 1510089231 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1510089255 0 :Vorpal!?@? 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Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510091084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510091084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510091084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510092236 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy October Revolution Comerades! < 1510092493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510092593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510092593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510092593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510092664 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hellover. < 1510092814 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1510093020 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510093109 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510093210 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf6lkyy2wv3ajv.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1510093242 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-191-87-65.range86-191.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510093248 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1510093426 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510093699 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a concept for a language in which strings are composed of words, rather than characters. Should punctuation be considered part of the word, or part of the whitespace? < 1510093834 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i would suggest not to do that. But if you really want, then you could select just 1 separation symbol. But even then you might find bad cases like 'apple tree "red fish" hammer', where people try to make a single word with quotes or other way to try to find escape characters.. < 1510093926 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit2: Do you mean that "I would suggest not to do that, even in an esoteric language", or "I would suggest not to do that in a non-esoteric language"? < 1510093971 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely second, and even in first case - may be. I dont see any case where it might be good and many cases where it will cause troubles < 1510094114 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you make something like a new brainfuck, hehe =) im not sure if you actually plan to use it anywnere < 1510094183 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit2: Okay. Well, I was considering different methods to pass function (well, continuation) arguments. < 1510094239 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... what do you think I should go for? I was thinking "by reference" so that functions could modify variables passed to them, but then what about arguments which aren't valid R-values (e.g. "3", or "a + 1")? < 1510094319 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make "3" mutable < 1510094385 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that in the "break mathematics and logic" kind of way? < 1510094408 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that just sounds kind of odd to me. < 1510094424 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell d < 1510094592 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskel allows you to let expressions be whatever you like such as "let 1+1 = 5 in 1+1" < 1510094617 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty odd, then. < 1510094622 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the benefit of consistency < 1510094647 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can uniformly pass expressions by reference < 1510094734 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: I had the idea that variables would basically be pointers, and you would have to dereference them to access their values. < 1510094811 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.G. "a = 3" assigns 3 to the variable 'a', but "a" isn't 3; "a" is just a reference/pointer to 3. So, to get the value of "a" (3 in this case), you would have to dereference it e.g. "@a" (meaning '[value] at a'). < 1510094814 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't you then just be passing everything by value? < 1510094861 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does @3 do? < 1510094875 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, passing "a" to a function would mean that the function parameter - let's say it was named "x", now holds "a". Meaning that "@x" is "a", and "@@x" is 3. < 1510094889 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@3 would be the third object in memory, I would suppose. < 1510094889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1510094958 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = a sets a to be its own address? < 1510094967 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so. < 1510095035 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that "a = 3" is writing the value of 3 to a, while "@a" is getting the value at a. I might be completely wrong here, but I think it's basically an abstracted form of a memory address. < 1510095045 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510095052 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510095075 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wasn't completely wrong, "a" could function as a memory address. "a = 3" would write 3 to that memory address, while "@a" would get the value stored there. < 1510095143 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an anti @ to get the address of a value? < 1510095146 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically dynamic allocation. I think. < 1510095163 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Nah. < 1510095259 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a = 3; @a = 4" would set the value of the third variable (since they're not *exactly* memory addresses, rather weird... references with pointer-like arithmetic) to 4. < 1510095277 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a + 1" would evaluate to the variable after "a". < 1510095294 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not its value, of course. That'd be @(a + 1).) < 1510095349 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1510095807 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510095929 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510096014 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510096349 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, suppose all function arguments are mutable < 1510096477 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x){x = x + 1;} < 1510096511 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(y = 1 to 3)f(1); < 1510096532 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would result in the source file reading < 1510096544 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(y = 1 to 3)f(4); < 1510097121 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510097595 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit I might get to go to singapore! < 1510097668 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! woot! < 1510097673 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singapore is nice! < 1510097676 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the food is amazing! < 1510097691 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weather is horribly warm and hot and humid and sweaty, though... < 1510097729 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the botanical gardens are beautiful! < 1510097736 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the zoo is fun! < 1510097745 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bird park is stupefying! < 1510097758 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the food is really good! < 1510097835 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can grow bottle gourds < 1510099782 0 :TanukiNoKintama!~TanukiNoK@c-68-39-92-120.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510099924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510100599 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510100633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1510100633 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1510100875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510100892 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgnhxmcucctcjoah JOIN :#esoteric < 1510101080 0 :TanukiNoKintama!~TanukiNoK@c-68-39-92-120.hsd1.in.comcast.net PART #esoteric : < 1510101479 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my condolences with the horrible demise of your polyglot challenge hth < 1510101683 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it ended? < 1510101698 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing so dignified < 1510101729 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone found a language that I am now considering putting on the wiki only to slap Category:Shameful on it. < 1510101745 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1510101751 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you get the bad with the good < 1510101791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also just put a snark in a comment
< 1510101809 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwat language was that? < 1510101822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that a language like that would have a censored name < 1510101827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that might be deleted i guess - PPCG is unpredictable. < 1510101828 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it doesn't and it was just censored in the post? < 1510101838 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in the title, actually < 1510101845 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "Cockfuck" < 1510101849 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1510101852 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Exchange's rules about esolang names with "fuck" in are that they should be censored in question titles but not elsewhere < 1510101996 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1510102031 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: it's basically because they don't want questions about brainfuck reaching Hot Network Questions uncensored and appearing in the sidebar pretty much everywhere < 1510102036 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has happened a few times in the past < 1510102202 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1510102523 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510102596 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510102825 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1510102904 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you quit ppcg alex? < 1510103102 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always think "ppcg" stands for "planet pooch" something < 1510103146 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist 67 < 1510103147 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist 67: boily shachaf < 1510103249 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1510103257 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever ppcged? < 1510103280 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf. tdh. < 1510103489 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the other alex hth < 1510103504 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other alexes?!?!??!!! < 1510103527 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: was that directed at me? I don't normally use realnames on IRC because a) they can be ambiguous and b) they don't ping < 1510103527 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510103539 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510103573 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. i didnt want to ping you if you were busy < 1510103582 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forgot it was ambiguous < 1510103603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm really busy I just don't respond to the ping until later (or just close IRC) < 1510103711 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really we need a golfing site that's a) suitable for in-depth problems (unlike anagolf) and b) not evil (unlike Stack Exchange) < 1510103726 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Exchange is evil? < 1510103804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1510103817 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I saved the rant I sent to SE when deleting my account, let me see if I did < 1510103891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/stackexchange-resignationletter.txt < 1510103898 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to golf that to fit it into the character limit, too :-( < 1510103915 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. < 1510103925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave a generic reply to it that implied that they didn't actually read what I'd said, and presumably was a stock response worded to sound sympathetic < 1510103958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i stack response < 1510104029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be useful to get that text to someone there who would actually read it? < 1510104138 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have to want to do something about it < 1510104154 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the Stack Exchange higher-ups have decided to mostly focus on Stack Overflow rather than the exchange more generally < 1510104164 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly to make it into a jobs site as that's how they make their money < 1510104291 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG has done a good job at making a usable golfing site, but it's mostly via using half the site features in ways they weren't intended to be used (and in some cases are explicitly not intended to be used) < 1510104371 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to make a better golfing site? < 1510104395 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :while i agree that se is terrible for code golf, i dont agree that all the incentives are wrong for proper q+a. they do it better than quora. moderation is screwed up but again, better than quora. < 1510104397 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, I'd like to but I doubt I'd complete it in a reasonable length of time < 1510104434 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I've tried using Stack Overflow to a small extent; I got a useful answer ("what you're trying to do is probably impossible") as a comment and an incorrect answer as an answer which I couldn't downvote because my account was too new < 1510104434 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: writr < 1510104453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a better time answering questsions on Stack Overflow than asking them. < 1510104471 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: write up a design goals document for an ideal code golf site < 1510104476 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem with answering questions is that it's hard to overtake an existing answer even if it's correct < 1510104484 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even if it's incorrect < 1510104523 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. it could benefit from a medium-style upvote system < 1510104543 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "accepted answers" gets around that to some extent. < 1510104580 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accepted answers can be fairly random < 1510104613 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next issue is, is Stack Overflow meant to be an FAQ site (i.e. compiling the answers to commonly asked questions for the benefit of everyone), or a "get an answer" site (i.e. aiming for an answer that helps the OP in particular)? < 1510104624 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is, it doesn't know, and the site documentation is contradictory on the matter < 1510104628 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be. but at least there is more control over them < 1510104653 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG would benefit from having the accepted answer feature disabled altogether, although that may not be true for things like Stack Overflow < 1510104676 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always assumed it was more the latter because it's focus on long carefully worded questions < 1510104705 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about that design goals document < 1510104717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about it < 1510104725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought about it in the past but I can't remember all my conclusions < 1510104736 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't you complete it in a reasonable length of time? < 1510104802 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I haven't really been able to do anything major for months, apart from in some cases my day job < 1510104849 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1510104856 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we're in the same boat. < 1510105015 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a good idea of what a good code golf site would be like? < 1510105044 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than average, I guess; I'm not sure about good < 1510105062 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one thing you have to make a choice about is whether you allow people to compete in languages the site doesn't know about < 1510105093 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal here would probably be "no, but there's an easy / lightweight way to teach the site about a new language" < 1510105318 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, I also had the idea that the CAPTCHA would be submitting a competitive solution to a recently submitted problem < 1510105333 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that most legitimate users should be able to do but most spammers won't be able to, even human spammers < 1510105362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is similar to the CAPTCHA-equivalent used by some gaming servers for 1v1 games, which require you to win a ranked game) < 1510105691 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write up your thoughts about how the site would work somewhere. < 1510105716 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1510105724 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to write them down first, though! < 1510106322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510106395 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510106697 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510106770 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510107527 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510108112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510108184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510108574 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HISTORICAL CHICKEN < 1510110077 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saved ais523's answer's from last time this topic came up < 1510110090 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1510110102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin them somewhere? it'd help me avoid having to remember them < 1510110274 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Are you going to make the website? < 1510110282 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like reading design documents, so when people refuse to make them I console myself with lists of features < 1510110348 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://pastebin.com/V4sHNvy6 < 1510110362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I like /writing/ design documents < 1510110365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you just want one of those, there's a chance :-) < 1510110423 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Readable link: https://pastebin.com/raw/V4sHNvy6 < 1510110461 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgnhxmcucctcjoah QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510110480 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try making a site, but because I've never done more than individual web pages < 1510110576 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look like I accidentally a clause < 1510110578 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I cloned someone's website program in a few hours because the only way it worked was by sending information to the server. < 1510110603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: that's probably a bad idea because something like this is a) very stateful (therefore easy to get wrong) and b) heavily dependent on sandboxing < 1510110616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG has no sandboxing < 1510110629 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another thing I'd like (either as part of this or just separately) would be a site which has JavaScript impementations of a large number of languages < 1510110636 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could make a first version without running programs < 1510110649 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: actually it does (Stack Snippets), but a program runner would be a very desired feature for a golfing site < 1510110659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on PPCG, people normally use Try It Online! < 1510110690 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should put your site at code.golf except it's taken < 1510110691 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we should teach HackEgo Jelly < 1510110697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But golf.codes isn't < 1510110735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Jelly, a golfing language? < 1510110738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1510110748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are golfing languages interesting? < 1510110754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best general-purpose one of the non-vapourware languages < 1510110755 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All they do is make all programs shorter. < 1510110779 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfing languages are interesting because they get closer to the way you think about problems < 1510110788 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way, they're closer to natural languages than most programming languages are < 1510110803 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is that describing the problem is nearly always shorter than describing how to solve it < 1510110824 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, golfing languages that use a fancy byte encoding. < 1510110829 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in a way, the more expressive a language is, the better it is at being a golfing language < 1510110844 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like fancy encodings and the like are side issues, the core functionality is much more important < 1510110859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sure, the core functionality can be interesting. < 1510110874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most good golfing languages make significant use of higher-order constructs < 1510110994 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, now I almost want to work on The Underlambda Project again < 1510111007 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although being written in a language that doesn't currently exist doesn't help matters < 1510111050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's intended to be a single program that's a compiler/interpreter with a very large number of esolangs as frontends and backends, i.e. it can compile a program in esolang X into esolang Y, or run it directly < 1510111066 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it's /also/ written in a language it supports, so it can translate itself into any of those languages (via quining functionality) < 1510111091 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very efficient, but lets you create an interpreter or compiler for any supported esolang in any other < 1510111105 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might also include practical languages as output formats, and maybe even subsets of them as input formats) < 1510111164 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, this is a good example of the power of golfing languages: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/120979 < 1510111179 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try to write something like that in C or Java or Python, it'll be much less clear what the program actually does < 1510111196 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas ~h=∋ᵐ\cᵐ= is close to a direct description of the problem < 1510111452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_10 < 1510111452 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!!3)<$>transpose[show$foldr(\k a->2*10^2^n+a*k`div`(2*k+1))0[1..2^n]|n<-[0..]] < 1510111454 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where e_10 < 1510111454 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(sum$scanl div(100^n)[1..[4..]!!n])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1510111493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some pretty good golf. < 1510111505 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I saw an algorithm for computing square roots using only addition and subtraction. < 1510111520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was surprisingly simple. < 1510111535 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the one that looks like long division? < 1510111572 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not sure. < 1510111593 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way it works is, to compute sqrt(n), you start with a=5*n, b=5 < 1510111611 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as a >= b, you set (a,b) = (a-b, b+10) < 1510111652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, that's more of a bressenham-style algorithm, and different from what I was thinking of < 1510111657 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you set (a,b) = (100*a, floor(b/10)*100+5) < 1510111672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is an awkward way of saying you add two zeros to the end of a and you put a zero as the digit before last in b < 1510111721 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, golfing languages are normally easier to write in than practical languages for small programs < 1510111735 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're so much more expressive (and often have more builtins too) < 1510111755 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they became popular enough I'd imagine they'd take over from things like Perl for short one-line programs < 1510111777 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're normally quite bad at maintaining state / doing imperative things, though < 1510111792 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they think in terms of descriptions-of-solutions rather than the route you get there < 1510111836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (a,b) | a >= b = (a-b, b+10) | otherwise = (100*a, (b `div` 10) * 100 + 5) in iterate f (5*2,5) !! 30 < 1510111838 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (7406673995,1414213515) < 1510111863 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of properties would make a language work well when you don't understand some of the features and you don't understand the rest of the program you're working on? < 1510111879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (a,b) | a >= b = (a-b, b+10) | otherwise = (100*a, (b `div` 10) * 100 + 5) in map snd $ iterate f (5*2,5) < 1510111882 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5,15,105,115,125,135,145,1405,1415,14105,14115,14125,14135,14145,141405,141... < 1510111883 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: you don't understand some of the language or of the program? < 1510111901 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd recommend language features that strongly encourage encapsulation in that case, e.g. strong typing, a heavy use of small subroutines, minimal state < 1510111924 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can normally write code that's independently useful regardless of what the rest of the program actually does < 1510111946 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, I think that this is the driving force behind Java's design: writing a language which is usable by large teams of low-skilled programmers) < 1510111977 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would user-definable fancy types help? < 1510111989 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, it might depend on the details < 1510111994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fancy? < 1510112063 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent types < 1510112338 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent types basically give a very strong, machine-readable specification of how a function's arguments and return value are meant to work and what the function's meant to do < 1510112353 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it'd help, except that dependently-typed languages are normally very hard to write in generally < 1510112365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may well make them worse at everything but less worse than this, rather than better at this < 1510112561 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My thought was that specifying more of what you think is going on so you can be informed that you were mistaken generally helps in cases like this, but when you're wrong in an unimportant way strictness makes it more difficult to get things done < 1510113441 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :program slices should be small < 1510114518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510116034 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's some pretty good golf. <-- erm isn't [4..]!!n just 4+n, that doesn't seem very golfed. < 1510116087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait Int vs. Integer < 1510116087 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try it hth < 1510116101 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pi_11 < 1510116101 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[show(foldr(\k a->20*100^n+a*k`div`(2*k+1))0[1..[4,8..]!!n])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1510116111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is even more golfed but it's too slow for lambdabot to evaluate. < 1510120205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1510120798 0 :carlos!a02790d7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.39.144.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510122045 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-reawqjemhzvcgwcr JOIN :#esoteric < 1510122071 0 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Wiki: < 1510170940 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg g < 1510170949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510170953 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1510170958 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg entrymsg < 1510170966 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9730:2016-11-18 slwd entrymsg//s,wiki,, \ 8218:2016-05-30 learn ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: < 1510170997 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric : < 1510170997 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510172077 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510172128 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510172292 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanea < 1510172294 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanea plays Minecrafs, Dware Fortresr, and lives in Yorj. < 1510172320 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone who knows how these things work do the slashwisdom for /Yorj/Cambridgf/ < 1510172335 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or Cambridgd < 1510172359 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slwd tanea//s/Yorj/Cambridgd/ < 1510172362 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanea//s/Yorj/Cambridgd/ < 1510172364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanea//Tanea plays Minecrafs, Dware Fortresr, and lives in Cambridgd. < 1510172369 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e++ < 1510172407 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess boily would've used ssYorjsCambridgds < 1510172414 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Yorj like "The Dukc of Yorj"? < 1510172435 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, quite possibly < 1510172468 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the old Yorj that New Yorj is named after? < 1510172480 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( How's life on Cambridge? ) < 1510172481 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're the same Yorj < 1510172497 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(supplementive rather than alternative) < 1510172508 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I like my job but I'm not a huge fan of the city < 1510172526 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels a lot bigger than York did, and I don't really know many people < 1510172690 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Maybe you should move to an even bigger city < 1510172701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then move back to Cambridge and it'll feel small by comparison. < 1510172730 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to ICFP 2018? < 1510172737 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I don't know yet < 1510172739 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that one's in Missouri. < 1510172744 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd certainly like to < 1510172755 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, move to bustling Reykjavik < 1510172827 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend moving from York to New York < 1510172842 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, sadly I've left York now so I'll have to move to New Cambridge instead < 1510172843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nev Yorj < 1510172870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like New York, I was there a couple of weeks ago. < 1510172915 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that the rent is too damn high < 1510173003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could move to the Bronx. < 1510173107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was walking in the street there and saw 2br apartments selling for <$400k. I was surprised. < 1510173127 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's better than I got in rural idaho < 1510173141 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait "k" < 1510173163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that's pretty expensive for rural Idaho. < 1510173187 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a touch < 1510173279 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's in NY, and cheaper than anything around here. < 1510173315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sometimes apartments that you "buy" have high HOA fees which makes the price kind of meaningless. < 1510175155 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510175228 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510175277 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-064-057-072.088.064.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510176755 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510176800 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :o o o o < 1510177066 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1510177815 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btlkewupebaklyto JOIN :#esoteric < 1510178476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* 10New user account < 1510178922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53359&oldid=53313 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+149) 10Introduced myself < 1510178973 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53360&oldid=53359 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+107) 10signed < 1510179842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell me something about gnomes? < 1510179843 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hunter: what of the heavens, as a matter of course, but it will take you away from the third age a troll-race not before seen appeared in paris at just about the ground, he soon turned it into his sleeves. the stone sunk into his mouth and jaws were completely hidden, and most corrosive agents, and burn all the primates, as if it still seems to have been born to command the undead, has ever managed to cheat him out of i < 1510179876 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That was pretty incoherent, even for you. < 1510179876 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: always sweep the floor. an elf would smell its rancid stench at ten metres distance. < 1510179883 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1510180397 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510180406 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1510180406 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1510180469 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that'd have the best chance re gnomes. < 1510180520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should make a good golf site for ais523 < 1510180547 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not until they write down & up the things that make up a good golf site. (Also not after that either.) < 1510182199 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510182828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510183122 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're a great web developer < 1510183124 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You made `edit < 1510183133 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`edit bin/edit < 1510183134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/edit/bin/edit < 1510183184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/edit//s/http/https/g < 1510183186 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/edit//#!/usr/bin/env python \ \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ \ if len(sys.argv) < 2: \ sys.exit('httpss://hackego.esolangs.org/edit/') \ \ f = os.path.realpath(sys.argv[1]) \ f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \ if re.match(r"/|\.hg(?:/|ignore$|$)",f): \ sys.exit("File is not editable.") \ print 'httpss://hackego.esolangs.org/edit/' < 1510183199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1510183212 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1510183213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1510183238 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the version in there was synced a long time ago < 1510183277 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 months?! < 1510184175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :People don't use `edit much. < 1510184197 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I think the zjoust website is much more of a web-development showcase. < 1510185558 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510185919 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1510187233 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah JOIN :#esoteric < 1510189795 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510189808 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510190899 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510191385 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree. zemhill is a marvel of modern engineering < 1510191419 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that people don't use much) < 1510191953 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510192447 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510193157 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510194061 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all the types of cats, which type of cat is better than a cat riding on a roomba? < 1510194142 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was like 85% of the reason why we got a Roomba in the first place, and then our cat never rode on it. :/ < 1510194164 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the other 15%? < 1510194178 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets rid of dust. < 1510194200 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you only got 15% of your money's worth? < 1510194213 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe get another better type of cat? < 1510194288 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just try to visit other cats. 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D:< < 1510238287 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510238297 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510238708 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510241321 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510242591 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510244049 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510244427 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you implement non-uniform polymorphism? < 1510244427 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: someone's been spiking the pits! and never moved she from before my face, so many pilgrims came to the game, coding a large box? < 1510244507 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what is non-uniform polymorphism? < 1510244555 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: dunno, maybe fungot knows < 1510244555 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is not to be confused with issek the armless, issek of the river styx in charon's boat. " my dear, you can taste the delicious wine that much that, tall and cone-shaped with stars and crescent moons all over it. < 1510244574 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: fungot certainly gives us non-uniform answers < 1510244574 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they say that hackers often feel jumpy about eating nymphs. < 1510244667 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510244692 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510245037 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510245234 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510247148 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510247339 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-adbujldlnkfxuoky JOIN :#esoteric < 1510247421 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1510248593 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510248620 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510248656 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510248729 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyp3rbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510248772 0 :cioran89!~cioran89@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510248913 0 :cioran89!~cioran89@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510249001 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510251103 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510253526 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510254059 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510255880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: TBH, I don't think there was much danger confusing non-uniform polymorphism with Issek the Armless in the first place. < 1510255880 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they say that teleport traps are the same date for the keeping of oaths and contracts. he is also said, too, that he was hairy only in the village. what shall we do? mephistopheles: nay, i can only hear your heartbeat. < 1510256421 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510258122 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510259826 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is issek sexy? < 1510259850 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :being armless doesnt rule it out. cf. venus de milo < 1510261922 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510262177 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510262286 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510263945 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510264462 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510265038 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1510265378 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510265696 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510266584 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510266921 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510267138 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e1aa:cbb5:3bd5:51cb QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1510267547 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510268098 0 :cioran89!~cioran89@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510268187 0 :cioran89!~cioran89@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510268262 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510268289 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF23E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510268658 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510268699 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510269540 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The wiki is down. < 1510269571 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Has been for the last 7 hours, actually.) < 1510270453 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie TOPIC #esoteric :Wiki down, CaC panel unresponsive, waiting and hoping | Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1510270613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510272451 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510273126 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510273398 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510274945 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510275212 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you have access to the CaC panel now? < 1510275256 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I just asked the big G to check. < 1510275266 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't want to ping them unnecessarily.) < 1510275629 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510275837 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atrix < 1510275845 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1510275868 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510276063 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least my most recent backup is less than a day old. But we don't exactly have an alternative place ready. < 1510276334 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510276385 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510276476 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510278620 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510283104 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510284466 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510284538 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510286248 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510286268 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510288139 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1510288697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yopumpkin < 1510288707 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you read Matt Levine twh < 1510289112 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1510289114 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1510289227 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes it? < 1510289235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, he's the best < 1510289252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because he makes fun of Bridgewater? < 1510289693 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol who doesn't < 1510290104 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I've read occasional articles of his < 1510290111 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't say I read him < 1510290116 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do? < 1510290250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1510293188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1510297730 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510297903 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510301697 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510302973 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1510303265 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510303977 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510304302 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510305589 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510306268 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510308414 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510309707 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-adbujldlnkfxuoky QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510311516 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@slashem.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1510311543 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510311634 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510314132 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510314137 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510314174 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510314182 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510314262 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510314328 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1510314334 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510314347 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1510314349 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how many examples have you seen when a big corporate website was redesigned and it became better as a result? < 1510314349 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they say that an apple will fall to the size of the gods as well". as a mare, flea, fly, falcon, seal, and from my sheath i drew my snickersnee! --koko, lord of the ring, by sir w.s. gilbert) < 1510315377 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510315622 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! why is 7z trying to recurse into subdirectories when I'm specifically telling it to -r- < 1510322412 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510322427 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510322941 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510322947 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF26C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510324541 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510325439 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510325965 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1510325973 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the server is down again < 1510325976 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't reach the wiki < 1510327017 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510327547 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :grow longer arms < 1510329986 0 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric < 1510331393 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: See topic. < 1510331822 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510332211 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:876b:6fd5:18c2:8ad8:985:e24e JOIN :#esoteric < 1510332648 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510333239 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aejicydzezrikpxv JOIN :#esoteric < 1510333496 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok < 1510335792 0 :garit2!~garit@94.196.196.8.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510335792 0 :garit2!~garit@94.196.196.8.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510335792 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510335835 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:876b:6fd5:18c2:8ad8:985:e24e QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510335965 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510336283 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510337561 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510338184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510338184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510338184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510338605 0 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-191-87-65.range86-191.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510339118 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510340910 0 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510340959 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510340981 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510342849 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510343271 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510343566 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :In languages where functions may return multiple values, would it make sense for a function that returns no values to effectively act as if there was literally nothing there? e.g. let's say f() returns true if it is called with 0 parameters. Now let's say void() returns zero arguments. Then f(void()) would be true. < 1510343594 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, of course it might, but that's not what I've seen in practice.... although I've only seen one language where functions may return multiple values, so... < 1510343618 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: so, sort of you could < 1510343631 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a theroetical sense, it's actually returning a member of a one-element type < 1510343646 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a zero-element type, since you can't return < 1510343723 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hmm, if void was treated as a proper type < 1510343737 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could have variables, like < 1510343739 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void x; < 1510343817 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really there's "a type with no values", "a type with 1 value", and "not really a type" < 1510343830 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as different voids < 1510343914 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1510343917 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void in C is not really a type, it's used where the syntax requires a type but there isn't one < 1510343935 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alternatively it's a 1-value type that can't be used in all contexts < 1510343941 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1510343965 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but suppose there was a type Void < 1510344039 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do everything with it, but it would rarely actually compile into any code < 1510344055 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void f(void) < 1510344076 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void y; void x = f(y); < 1510344120 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sizeof(void) is 0, then void pointers would be usable better < 1510344126 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kind of < 1510344144 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void *x = malloc(sizeof(void)) < 1510344203 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how rust does void < 1510344635 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510344757 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510344884 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510346300 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :If functions are thought of as returning tuples containing each return value, rather than returning those return values individually, then returning nothing would be equivalent to returning an empty tuple containing no values. < 1510346497 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... is there even a way to use zero-element types? I mean, if they have *zero* elements, then how would that type do anything? < 1510347643 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Apparently a bottom type may be classified as the return value of functions which never return (e.g. infinite loops, or functions that exit to other continuations). < 1510347650 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/return value/return type < 1510348159 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1510348159 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 102100Z 28010KT 15SM FEW004 BKN023 09/08 A2990 RMK SC2CU4 SLP128 < 1510349758 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510349885 0 :garit!~garit@188.30.179.145.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510349885 0 :garit!~garit@188.30.179.145.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510349885 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510351009 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510351697 0 :garit2!~garit@94.196.76.248.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510351697 0 :garit2!~garit@94.196.76.248.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510351697 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510351751 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C does allow struct{} with no fields, with size zero. < 1510351773 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510351905 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510351941 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: You can have an "extern void x;" < 1510351964 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a regular "void x;", it's just that void is an incomplete type that can never be completed. < 1510351981 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish C++ supported void values. < 1510352021 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a empty type then use struct{} instead of void < 1510352037 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510352042 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 6.2.5p19: "The `void` type comprises an empty set of values; it is an incomplete object type that cannot be completed." < 1510352079 0 :garit2!?@? NICK :garit < 1510352199 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but struct{} type has one possible value, like () in Haskell. But, void is no type; used when there is no return value (it returns without giving a value) or when it is void* is a pointer to not specifying what is the pointer to type. < 1510352329 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510352341 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also have a function declaration like int f(int x, void y, double z); but it's not super-useful, since you can't have a definition for it, nor can you call it. < 1510352354 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I looked and it turns out I have an empty struct in one of my projects < 1510352369 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a bunch of methods but no data in it < 1510352378 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Your project is not strictly conf.. oh, C++. < 1510352396 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's allowed, though I think it has a non-zero size in C++? < 1510352396 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah C++ < 1510352400 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is it even allowed? < 1510352413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's allowed in C++ with a non-zero size. < 1510352433 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the GNU documentation says that in C++ the sizeof empty struct is one, but in C mode, the size is zero, which is more sensible. < 1510352455 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so too. The non-zero size had something to do with the necessity of having different subobjects for multiple inheritance, or some-such < 1510352523 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's also the fact that you have two objects they can't have the same address, or something like that? < 1510352525 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it used to have data in it but now only the derived classes have data < 1510352526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. < 1510352543 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://isocpp.org/wiki/faq/classes-and-objects#sizeof-empty says that, yeah. "To ensure that the addresses of two different objects will be different." < 1510352580 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: structs with only pure virtual methods (and no data) are pretty conventional way to define interfaces in C++. < 1510352639 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C also allows the number of elements in an array to be zero, which in my opinion is also sensible (such as a field in a struct). < 1510352640 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I was remembering the base class thing almost exactly the other way around -- empty base classes don't need to have distinct bytes in the resulting object. < 1510352843 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510352968 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510354723 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510355116 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510355512 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510355581 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510356019 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510356277 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510357436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510357625 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510357633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510357733 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510358546 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510360948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510362311 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510362578 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510363382 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510363387 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510363628 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510364291 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510365812 0 :rdococ!?@? NICK :Rodger < 1510365860 0 :Rodger!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't confuse me with that other guy named Roger I found via /ns info. < 1510365895 0 :Rodger!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's fine, since multiple people probably go by this name in real life. Speaking of which, this isn't my real name. < 1510365931 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1510366160 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you chose the name because many people would be more relaxed if they got a good rodgering once in a while? < 1510366472 0 :Rodger!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1510366556 0 :Rodger!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that and its other meanings combined. < 1510368421 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely thinks we used to have some RodgerSomethingOrOther in here
< 1510368441 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we have rodgort` < 1510368456 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wasn't it < 1510368494 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I Rodger, Rodger < 1510368539 0 :Rodger!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1510368633 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Jolly Rogerer? < 1510368664 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y < 1510368710 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently googling it these days gives star wars hits) < 1510369138 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye aye? < 1510371038 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jolly Roger is a kind of flag will a skull I think? < 1510371097 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/will/with/ < 1510371342 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510372368 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up a way to slightly improve compression of Dr.Halo and PackBits (without altering the file format at all). < 1510375932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1510380088 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510380123 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1510380252 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510382067 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510383990 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if any other program does this? The example files I have found do not seem to do this < 1510390852 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510391283 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510391547 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510392451 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510393191 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510393499 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510394017 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510395008 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aejicydzezrikpxv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510396017 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510399540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510401207 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Still no sign of life from the system. We might need to start thinking seriously about alternatives at some point. < 1510401259 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION CaCkles maniacally.
< 1510401384 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news, their sales frontend is still up... < 1510401428 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I asked Gregor, the control panel was "up" but none of the power-down/reboot/... options actually responded. < 1510401524 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if people'd contribute to the hosting costs if I asked. Around $3-4/month is the lowest I've found so far for a VPS with 2G of RAM. Just hard to tell if these places would actually be an improvement. < 1510401528 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2G is just the current specs, don't really have a feeling of how well it'd run with less.) < 1510401866 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the ones I have left tabs open are https://www.scaleway.com/virtual-cloud-servers/ https://www.hyperexpert.com/vps.php https://www.woothosting.com/pulse/cart.php?a=add&pid=73 < 1510401870 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last is an odd special deal via lowendbox.com, I can't tell if it would stay that price. Their regular prices are quite a bit higher. And Scaleway has their odd €2.99/month dedicated ARM server as well. < 1510401886 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd certainly contribute to that) < 1510402467 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1510402469 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1510402496 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I've said before that I feel I'm doing enough by paying for that little thing.) < 1510402611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could put up a Wikipedia-style banner. ;) < 1510402619 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you run lambdabot? < 1510402623 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though perhaps it would be smarter to ask the haskell infrastructure people to host it somewhere, hmm. < 1510402633 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ramnode, but they're not the cheapest option. < 1510402691 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The thing with the cheapest places is, they generally all have rather mixed reviews. Of course in relative terms it might still be an upgrade from the current. < 1510402716 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to imagine that you could do worse than CaC. < 1510402771 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's possible, but basically the only reason that one would put up with CaC's QoS is their insane pricing. There's a connection between the two, I'm sure.) < 1510402961 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have good experience with Ramnode's support. Tickets tend to be answered in hours (sometimes minutes) rather than days or weeks if at all.) < 1510403144 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. They've got reasonable reviews, and the prices (for "standard KVM") are half of DigitalOcean's. Still looking for that mythical combination of cheap & good though. < 1510403173 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: funny thing about the wikipedia style banner... I never noticed it, because it required javascript. < 1510403233 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah standard KVM (not OpenVZ because at least when I tried, it didn't have proper namespace support which I use for rudimentary sandboxing.) < 1510403298 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I just hate doing that kind of research, so tedious. < 1510403823 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's definitely true. < 1510403829 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVH is another one of those "good prices, terrible support" places, except a little more mainstream, I guess. < 1510403863 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also had a very written-about downtime just the other day, so we might feel right at home. ;) < 1510403903 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/ovh_datacenters_go_titsup/ < 1510403970 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I missed that terrible blunder. < 1510404060 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.1blu.de/server/vserver/ is one of those too good to be true offers < 1510404103 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also hostens.com, which I'm amused by simply because it sounds so much like the bed company. < 1510404259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have surprisingly good user reviews, wonder if they're gaming the system somehow. < 1510404414 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510404765 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Essentially, there wasn't sufficient redundancy in its power supply lines, so when one cable failed, it all went down, down, down." Can we call this "overcommitted redundancy"? I mean, VPS hosting is all about overcommitment... < 1510405843 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think I'll setup my readonly backup copy again, while we're waiting. < 1510406699 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510407090 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup copy should be up, as soon as your DNS caches expire, or directly at http://esolangs.zem.fi/ (should've added that as subjectAltName in the certificate...) < 1510408302 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1510408302 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1510408302 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1510408841 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510411333 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510411757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510412181 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510414681 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1510415549 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510416217 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510416741 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510418375 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510419779 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1510419906 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cclftnxgkkeatjvt JOIN :#esoteric < 1510420677 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510421164 0 :garit!~garit@92.41.11.137.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510421164 0 :garit!~garit@92.41.11.137.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510421164 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510421409 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510421552 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the compression algorithm I have implemented in ffcut.c to be proved optimal for that file format? Is it even optimal, or not? < 1510422050 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510422103 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:18b7:ba17:15bb:eeb6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510423359 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510423442 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510423614 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510423948 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510425439 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510425891 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510426338 0 :enoua5!89be8f53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.190.143.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510426404 0 :enoua5!89be8f53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.190.143.83 QUIT :Client Quit < 1510426433 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510426719 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510427006 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510427841 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510429768 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510430053 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510430141 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510432241 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510432297 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510432392 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1510433631 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510433754 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510433919 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510435663 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510436679 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510437437 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510438007 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510438761 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510439583 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have experimented another way to compress the map data. Dynamic tiles help with compression (as well as making the editor quicker to use), but then it also uses RLE with three kind of runs, and stores data in a boustrophedon order as well. The three kind of runs are: homogeneous runs, heterogeneous runs, and copy-above runs. < 1510439597 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a hexdump of one compressed map (with a five byte header): 3c 00 1a 00 00 0f 31 18 2e 20 32 df ad 55 3d b1 29 2e b2 55 3d b0 1b 2e 05 35 e0 ab 06 36 3c 2e fe aa 11 2e 26 33 c1 06 34 55 3d 15 34 e4 aa 55 3d 25 33 db ab < 1510439675 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code 255 is currently not defined; it is meant for back references, but how back references are working currenly is not defined or implemented. Do you perhaps have any kind of better idea about this? < 1510439837 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question: there was a BF derivative I was reading about that got rid of the [] and replaced them with something else, does anyone know what that was? < 1510439912 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are such thing but I also don't know what it is < 1510441217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: Just different symbols, or something with different semantics? < 1510441239 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: different semantics < 1510441497 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some variants that have an implicit loop around the whole program, and then replace [] with some other control structure. < 1510441500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 207 pages in the "Brainfuck derivatives" category on the wiki. :/ < 1510441584 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-90-193.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is a very easy language to grasp and modify < 1510441595 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-90-193.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell it was invented twice independantly < 1510442614 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510443545 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF1057.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510443730 0 :hyp3rbor3a!~hyperbor3@p5DDF1057.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510444946 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510445130 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510445352 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:18b7:ba17:15bb:eeb6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: there are at least ten that replace [] with function calls < 1510445517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510445846 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510446022 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510446276 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-90-193.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of them are just Brainfuck with a cypher on top < 1510446288 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-90-193.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace the symbols with names of US presidents or whatever < 1510446539 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510446670 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean about all the BF derivatives, we do have a separate "Brainfuck equivalents" category as well, which has 50 languages in it. < 1510447662 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510448963 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510449097 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510449860 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510450158 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510450217 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510450258 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510450262 0 :MDead!?@? 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NICK :sebbu < 1510495261 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510498772 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510499246 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510500169 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510500641 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510500746 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510501577 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510502658 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510505971 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510506335 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510507749 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1510507781 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510508084 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510508318 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510508359 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510509792 0 :S1!~S1@ip4d16fdaa.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510511248 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510515642 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omnflnfvbrwrydru JOIN :#esoteric < 1510516461 0 :S1!?@? NICK :S0 < 1510516895 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510520273 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510520898 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510521014 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510521713 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510522179 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any more RPG maps that I may be able to test my map compression method with? < 1510522363 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510522407 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510522777 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510523066 0 :whom!62da4adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.218.74.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510523075 0 :whom!62da4adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.218.74.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi < 1510523088 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510524127 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510524517 0 :S0!~S1@ip4d16fdaa.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510524543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510525088 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510526047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510526047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510526047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510526801 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510527048 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510527795 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is better: map file to memory or read it to memory? given the fact then it will be parsed as a whole after reading < 1510527854 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1510527869 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems, many people prefer mapping < 1510527969 0 :whom!62da4adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.218.74.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510528065 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might not necessarily be much of a difference, since what the system fundamentally needs to do in both cases (copy some data from a storage device into memory) is pretty similar. But the mapping approach can be more convenient, and have some performance advantages (might have less system calls, no need to ever swap since the data is sort of already swapped by definition). < 1510528119 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see, thanks < 1510528698 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510528899 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1510528942 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510528994 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510529525 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510530205 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anybody hard about API to file UNIX command? so not to spawn it ... < 1510530212 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anybody heard about API to file UNIX command? so not to spawn it ... < 1510530864 0 :Rodger!?@? NICK :Roger9 < 1510531038 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Format/OS/whatever that uses "Over." as a newline, as opposed to "\n", "\r\n", or "\r". < 1510531045 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then "Out." to mark the end of a file. < 1510531202 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1510531220 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510531284 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510531326 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :PinealGlandOptic: The library used by one implementation of 'file' (e.g. the one in Debian/Ubuntu) is called 'magic', which you can link to and use programmatically. < 1510531358 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :See https://linux.die.net/man/3/libmagic for example. < 1510531489 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510531508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510531928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510532123 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks! < 1510532489 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510532907 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510533806 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510534024 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510537310 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a great idea for a language for programming in the large. Whenever you call a user defined function you have to specify the exact value of the result. If the actual result doesn't match what you provided, the program quits. < 1510537807 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: user defined function should be defined or not? < 1510537826 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote for function definition, for better confusion < 1510537949 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510538146 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510538255 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite understand the question < 1510538321 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes I was assumeing that the functions had to be defined before being used. Forward references are a sloppy practice < 1510538497 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510538540 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: except that then functions would be entirely useless < 1510538692 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510538784 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best practice is functions for their self documenting names. That is still an important purpose < 1510539050 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd agree with alercah. < 1510539161 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: That's removed if you have to repeat the definition anyway. < 1510539172 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might as well just be a local variable. < 1510539252 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good point. Local variables are are underconstrained, and can be used as a loophole. < 1510539277 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what I mean is < 1510539278 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have < 1510539290 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = f[results in y + 2](y) < 1510539294 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might well say x = y+2 < 1510539297 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1510539301 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_f = y+2 to preserve the name < 1510539304 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or x = y+2 // f < 1510539336 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should recapitulate how the variable got the value it has every time you use it, so you don't get it confused with other variables < 1510539414 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :treating it kind of like a 0 argument function < 1510539434 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1510539440 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1510539446 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could do that < 1510539455 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, again, why have a variable? < 1510539462 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not simply write the expression inline everywhere < 1510539472 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :since every experession would need a full expansion of everything < 1510539485 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd lose mutable state < 1510539494 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1510539546 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because variables are an important component of abstraction and generalization. Getting rid of them entirely would make the program harder to read < 1510539575 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this would be equivalent to that < 1510539586 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I write x = y[definition of y]+2 < 1510539600 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to use x I have to write z = x[definition of x, which includes definition of y]*2 < 1510539611 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use any values without retyping the entire code leading up to them < 1510539615 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :defeating the point of abstraction < 1510539669 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people can get confused when things get too abstract. Its good to have concrete examples to help explicate and ground it. < 1510539743 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be more efficient if the compiler substituted in the definitions for you < 1510539846 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you wouldn't have to spend time typing redundant information. I think you have a good point < 1510539881 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5158:7965:78bf:76ce QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1510540864 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the compiler substitutes the definitions then isn't that the same as not requiring them in the ifrst place? < 1510541575 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because if you didn't require them then it would be easy to call the wrong function by mistake. < 1510541650 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the compiler is substituting definitions in < 1510541654 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there is no guarantee < 1510541661 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the compiler will just provide the wrong one < 1510542071 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so it needs some extra redundancy to cat the compiler substitution errors. Maybe you could type in a hash that should match what the compiler will substitute in. 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< 1510582138 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-90-193.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1510582138 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watered: it's about esoteric programming < 1510582898 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:5398:f419:5fcd:63eb:848:ba96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any interesting accomplishments of this language? < 1510582942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a single language, esoteric programming languages are basically the entire family of languages for which being useful to use in practice is not a primary goal < 1510582978 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:5398:f419:5fcd:63eb:848:ba96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it prove anything? < 1510582984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a number of other reasons to write languages, e.g. to learn how to write languages, to explore the edges of what's possible in programming, as art < 1510583029 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prove plenty of things with esoteric programming languages, but they're mostly confined to other esoteric programming languages < 1510583037 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the most practical proofs I've been seen have been related to exploits in other programs < 1510583056 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:5398:f419:5fcd:63eb:848:ba96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1510583057 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing that you can exploit the bug to do anything via implementing an esolang (= esoteric programming language) usnig it < 1510583431 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510584811 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-247-71.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1510584927 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-90-193.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510585251 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-247-71.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually esoteric languages are very useful for computation theory < 1510585256 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-247-71.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they're very simpler < 1510585276 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-247-71.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the proof for the control structure theorem was done in the original brainfuck < 1510585277 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-247-71.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :P'' < 1510586359 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510586363 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1510586367 0 :callforjudgement!?@? 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CaC is back.) < 1510599182 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still planning to move it to some slightly more reputable host, and ask (in a tasteful way, y'know) for people to contribute to the costs (est. around $5/month). < 1510599189 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking we might have an "Esolang:Backers" page (or some such), where you could get your name on by donating (and opting in). Let me know if you find this offensive / have other objections / thoughts. < 1510599529 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not offended by the request < 1510599572 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find sending money over the Internet to be a huge hassle though, to the extent that I tend not to be responsive to requests for money because the act of sending it is so complex < 1510599730 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fair. I believe receiving it is pretty complicated as well, though I got some tips from a random person who emailed me re the note I had left on top of the backup wiki copy. < 1510600022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510600447 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510600993 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PART #esoteric : < 1510601713 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510602004 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510602221 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510602280 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, transferring money online, as opposed to paying with money online, when it's in a foreign currency, has a high constant fee at my bank, so it's not really practical. whereas anything on paypal has a high percentage fee. < 1510602375 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sending banknotes in an envelope has a low enough fee, but is not insured. < 1510602434 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, most of the things I've looked at have had percentage fees attached. Not sure if I'd call them "high", but still. < 1510602532 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should just be selling my fungot T-shirt design online, it's already got an esolangs.org link on it. ;) < 1510602532 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they say that eating royal jelly attracts grizzly owlbears. ( travels and researches in south africa, by e. howard, bjorn nyberg, and the light but warm silken stuff that the ladies were accustomed to wearing luxurious clothings and so he flew along the slender catwalk that still seemed awfully insubstantial to flynn, though they are quite difficult to kill large animals... their lower teeth fit perfectly into the requi < 1510602543 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's tricky, because they always list their nominal fees for various operations, such as transfer or payment, and those are low. but paypal insists that I can only send HUF to my account, and they're only willing to charge my bank card in HUF, and convert currency themselves, and they convert it very expensively, whereas my bank converts th < 1510602543 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :em cheaply. < 1510602572 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are clearly doing that to add a hidden fee, because my bank can handle charges on my bank card in any reasonable currency. < 1510602632 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I think I had some PayPal worries when moving from Finland to UK as well, they seem pretty strict about the account being tied to a particular country and having one currency. < 1510602638 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will have to investigate more, I guess. < 1510602652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there's always BitCoin. < 1510602716 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, my brother complained even more about it, since he lives in Sweden, and had troubles with telling paypal that < 1510602746 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's like a lot of commercial wobsites on the internet are optimized to the case when they can guess your country and language from your IP. < 1510602755 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they never allow you to second guess. < 1510602782 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, there's websites for scientific publishers that serve journal articles for free to "developing countries". < 1510602839 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is international websites, not the websites of all-Hungarian stores, which are even worse. < 1510602879 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, mediamarkt.hu has a most terrible website for online orders, but since there are only like seven big electronics stores in Hungary, you can't just choose another one. < 1510602937 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the post will eventually just kick them in the butt for sending mass packages with improperly printed addresses. < 1510602974 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they won't be able to offer free or cheap postage. < 1510603176 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510603188 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm paying Finnish VAT rates for my DigitalOcean host instead of the UK ones, because they don't let you set the VAT country, it's forced to be the country of the bank issuing the credit card you're paying with. (And the Finnish card has better currency conversion than the UK one.) < 1510603296 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which one of those has a higher VAT for that? < 1510603306 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland, unfortunately. < 1510603341 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1510603441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that make up for the higher VAT? < 1510603488 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think that's what I ended up getting, when I tried to check. < 1510603506 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have a vague feeling I shouldn't be able to choose, but the VAT should be based on residency. < 1510603560 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea how it's supposed to work < 1510603600 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't know. It's not like there's a physical location where they're selling the thing. < 1510603632 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that's how it works in theory (residency). < 1510603743 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but giving a false address is probably easier than giving a bank account in a different country... < 1510603796 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just move somewhere with no VAT hth < 1510603799 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I expect that nobody's verifying that address.) < 1510603812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I find out my credit card's exchange rates? < 1510603834 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay with it and let yourself be surprised? < 1510603859 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ask your bank. my bank has a homepage on the internet, and if you dig through all the legalese that is deliberately written confusing so you don't understand it, and phone them up to clear up ambiguities, you can usually figure out everything. < 1510603875 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the real answer is to read the terms of service, which *should* tell you how the bank handles foreign currency transactions) < 1510603877 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most banks have similar homepages. < 1510603884 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my credit/debit cards have a foreign transaction fee. < 1510603895 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently I got one that doesn't (it should arrive in the mail soon) < 1510603929 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they add about 3% to the official exchange rate in my case. < 1510603975 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not high ones though. they have a high fee for foreign transfers, and a higher than usual fee for withdrawing cash in foreign countries, but for just card or online payment they only use a currency sell exchange rate which has a low margin. < 1510603975 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't check. < 1510603989 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the usual fee is around 3% < 1510603996 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure they don't add a fee for foreign currency payments for me. < 1510604054 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect it to be hidden in the exchange rate. < 1510604114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they can set the exchange rate 3% higher, they can do the same thing even if you do pay an additional fee. < 1510604124 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also foreign transactions can be USD, I think. < 1510604160 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the sell and buy exchange rate for that definitely differ, but nothing as big as 3% is hidden there. < 1510604231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for transfers, they charge the very high flat rate if the destination is a bank account not in Hungary or the currency is not HUF. for payment, neither matters. < 1510604256 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about foreign currency withdrawal for ATM, I've never needed to check that. < 1510604595 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510604693 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're sorry, but we're currently upgrading our Website." < 1510604703 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who upgrades their website during business hours? < 1510605286 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: business hours where? It's in the night! < 1510605306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This website has "us" in the domain name < 1510605334 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:6589:1e8b:7512:e96e JOIN :#esoteric < 1510605683 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510605899 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510605927 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510607548 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an antivirus that actually just mines bitcoins when you scan < 1510607643 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah, there already exist malware masquarading as an antivirus < 1510607656 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's a bitcoin mining one in particular, but in general these exist < 1510607791 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:6589:1e8b:7512:e96e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510607841 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510607916 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510608351 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510608713 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510609735 0 :david3x3x3!3425a618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.52.37.166.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510609746 0 :ineiros_!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510609829 0 :__20h___!~some_one@r-36.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510609908 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510609908 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510609908 0 :__20h__!~some_one@r-36.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510609908 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510609909 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510609934 0 :erdic_!~erdic@81.4.123.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510609935 0 :erdic_!~erdic@81.4.123.134 QUIT :Changing host < 1510609935 0 :erdic_!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1510609936 0 :erdic_!?@? NICK :erdic < 1510609987 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1510610010 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :Guest50154 < 1510610026 0 :Guest50154!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Changing host < 1510610026 0 :Guest50154!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1510610026 0 :Guest50154!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1510610057 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510610203 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510610405 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1510611001 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510611120 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:64c1:3980:c173:d8d6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510611178 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1510611236 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why did I try to look up best practices when I already know what I want the answer to be? now I just have to worry I'm not doing what the interweb says. < 1510611237 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: they say that a fortune only has 1 line and you should call your armor before sitting on a strictly cartesian sense. < 1510611249 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510611423 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the advantage of asking fungot is that you won't know what the answer will be? < 1510611423 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they say that nurses sometimes carry scalpels and never use a unicorn horn means you've missed the bunch. turning round again with a face of the stone would fall again. ( i wandered lonely as a cloud in fear. the christian calendar adopted the same fashion that a wizard!" < 1510611453 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp unicorn < 1510611469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :horn:Horn is the reduction system behind Prolog, and also the magical body part growing on the head of unicorns. \ ipu:IPU is an invisible pink unicorn. < 1510611475 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510611478 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. whose is that? < 1510611486 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`howg horn < 1510611493 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ` sed -i \'s/prolog/Prolog/\' wisdom/horn \ learn Horn is the reduction system behind prolog, and also the magical body part growing on the head of unicorns. < 1510611510 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it looked like one of mine but I didn't remember setting it < 1510611522 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg horn < 1510611528 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7107:2016-03-06 ` sed -i \'s/prolog/Prolog/\' wisdom/horn \ 7105:2016-03-06 learn Horn is the reduction system behind prolog, and also the magical body part growing on the head of unicorns. < 1510611540 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so recent I guess < 1510611564 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but few of my wisdoms are recent anyway < 1510611574 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg submarine jousting < 1510611581 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8400:2016-06-08 sled wisdom/submarine jousting//s/./S/ \ 8399:2016-06-07 le/rn submarine jousting/submarine jousting is unexplainable. \ 8398:2016-06-07 le/rn submarine jousting/This is unexplainable. < 1510611596 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1510611598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is unavailable due to budget cuts < 1510612304 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zokajcloxxbaxbwr JOIN :#esoteric < 1510613890 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Funding14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53361 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+2919) 10esolangs.org hosting funding proposal < 1510614083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53362&oldid=52884 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+69) 10(Temporary) link to "Esolang talk:Funding" for visibility < 1510615851 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510616111 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510616723 0 :david3x3x3!3425a618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.52.37.166.24 PART #esoteric : < 1510617178 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3d3c:8be0:63d6:90dd QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1510617259 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1105 < 1510617260 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1105: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1510617420 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, shachaf < 1510617978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510619318 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510619476 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510619835 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:64c1:3980:c173:d8d6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1510619872 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510620749 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510620775 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1510621642 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510621938 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510622230 0 :wob_jonas!b03f180b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.11 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1510623218 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510623405 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1510624087 0 :webchat191!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510624112 0 :webchat191!?@? NICK :Downgoat < 1510624170 0 :Downgoat_!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510624189 0 :Downgoat_!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1510624333 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510624345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Downgoat, Downgoat_ < 1510624350 0 :Downgoat_!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1510624360 0 :Downgoat_!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I IRCd incorrcetly which is why they are two downgoat :| < 1510624367 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from connecting twice you seem to have done everything correctly < 1510624383 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other one's a ghost by the look of things, it'll probably time out in a couple of minutes < 1510624389 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi Downgoat_ < 1510624389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Downgoat_. Howngoat_. < 1510624410 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downgoat's a regular at PPCG, they're apparently discussing making a new golfing site too and are much further on than we are < 1510624421 0 :Downgoat_!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are most people here on PPCG? < 1510624429 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510624435 0 :Downgoat_!?@? NICK :Downgoat < 1510624441 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only a few of us are < 1510624447 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on PPCG but I like code golf. < 1510624464 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code golf is fairly popular here because there's a lot of overlap, but few people here actually golf regularly < 1510624473 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1510624484 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I look at PPCG and have a go at a question if it looks sufficiently interesting, but (after deleting my account) I've only posted once < 1510624491 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well our current code is hosted on GH here: https://github.com/Mego/PPCG-v2 < 1510624498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the site works so much better when it's not trying to force you to get rep < 1510624508 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for those who use stackexchange we have a chat here: https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/68212/ppcg-v2 < 1510624524 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have auth, posts, markdown rendering, and we're working on other stuff < 1510624544 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't really have a plan on what things we actually want so that's still for desciding < 1510624563 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some sort of automatic program runner/verifier is one of the features that a) golf sites most benefit from and b) PPCG doesn't have, although you can't use it in all contexts < 1510624590 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. if we're all familar with TIO, we're planning on using that heavily < 1510624596 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think a golf site should address nondeterminism like $$? < 1510624609 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf's latest solution fixes that pretty neatly < 1510624611 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean in markdown? < 1510624624 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow anyone to re-mark the program, it gets removed from the leaderboards if it's "magically" stopped working < 1510624642 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the program has to work consistently. < 1510624648 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means that in questions where your program is meant to work for all inputs, you can use the recheck request to submit a counterexample; that doesn't work in anagolf because it has a fairly primitive marking system < 1510624663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder whether people have used programs that rely on the current date. < 1510624678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under PPCG rules your program would have to work consistently too (because requiring a particular $$ would count as an illegal form of input) < 1510624711 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a program that only works in the 21st century? < 1510624717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: on the original code golfing site, which predated anagolf and collapsed due to not having questions very often, someone used time() as a magic number once < 1510624763 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you're going to write a program in http://esolangs.org/wiki/2014 or something like that, having the recheck link not work is not really a huge issue < 1510624787 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014 < 1510624787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi < 1510624792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's what that's about. < 1510624794 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think having something like a "disputed" or even "invalid" tag that people can vote onto or off the post would be worthwhile, in cases where it's unclear whether the program complies with the rules < 1510624849 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm, I see a big loophole in that implementation < 1510624855 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have just hardcoded the "2014" < 1510624898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015 < 1510624898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi < 1510624904 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l bin/201{4,5} < 1510624905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 79 Oct 28 2016 bin/2014 \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 80 Oct 28 2016 bin/2015 < 1510624909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1510624917 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl 'system "bin/2014" "2017"' < 1510624918 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "'system "bin/2014" "2017"'": No such file or directory < 1510624924 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e 'system "bin/2014" "2017"' < 1510624925 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510624928 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e system "bin/2014" "2017" < 1510624929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :String found where operator expected at -e line 1, near ""bin/2014" "2017"" \ (Missing operator before "2017"?) \ syntax error at -e line 1, near ""bin/2014" "2017"" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. < 1510624931 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/2014 < 1510624937 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5227:2015-01-02 sed -i \'s/2014/$(basename "$0")/\' bin/2014 \ 5219:2014-12-31 ` chmod +x bin/2014 \ 5218:2014-12-31 ` echo "fi" >> bin/2014 \ 5217:2014-12-31 ` echo "then echo \\"Hello, world!\\"" >> bin/2014 \ 5216:2014-12-31 ` echo "if [ \\$(date +%Y) = \\"2014\\" ]" >> bin/2014 \ 5215:2014-12-3 < 1510624942 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/2015 < 1510624943 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't even know we were discussing making a golfing site. < 1510624948 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6472:2015-12-31 revert \ 6471:2015-12-31 ` sed -i s/!// bin/2015 \ 5231:2015-01-02 ` cp bin/201{4,5}; sed -i \'s/=/!=/\' bin/2015 \ 5230:2015-01-02 rm bin/2015 \ 5229:2015-01-02 ` ln bin/2014 bin/2015 \ 5228:2015-01-02 rm bin/2015 \ 5226:2015-01-02 ` cp bin/201{4,5}; sed < 1510624955 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we did a couple of times, I'm not sure if you were there at the time < 1510624962 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think we were mostly discussing how we wouldn't do it. < 1510624969 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What shachaf said. < 1510624977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You participated saying you wouldn't do it, if I remember correctly. < 1510624988 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though I don't think ais523 was here at *that* time. < 1510625022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e system {"bin/2014"} "2017" < 1510625023 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your code golf site going to support multiple metrics to optimize? < 1510625035 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I finally got the right syntax, but it still doesn't work? probably the path is wrong < 1510625042 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e system {"bin/2014"} "2017" or die $@ < 1510625043 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Died at -e line 1. < 1510625046 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e system {"bin/2014"} "2017" or die $! < 1510625047 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Died at -e line 1. < 1510625056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e system {"bin/2014"} "2017" or die $? < 1510625056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can measure things other than program length. < 1510625057 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 at -e line 1. < 1510625066 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Perl, now you're just screwing with me < 1510625075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print system {"bin/2014"} "2017" < 1510625076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1510625107 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` basename "2017" < 1510625108 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017 < 1510625125 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is normally the point at which I'd attach a debugger but that's kind-of hard in HackEgo < 1510625184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc execl("bin/2014", "2017", NULL); < 1510625185 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625197 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print system {"bin/nonexistent-executable"} "2017" < 1510625198 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1 < 1510625210 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so it is finding the executable < 1510625215 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print system {"bin/2014"} "bin/2017" < 1510625216 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1510625238 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $'#!/usr/bin/env python\nimport sys\nprint sys.argv\n' > tmp/args && chmod +x tmp/args < 1510625239 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625246 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc execl("tmp/args", "2017", NULL); < 1510625247 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc execl("/hackenv/tmp/args", "2017", NULL); < 1510625253 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tmp/args abc < 1510625267 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​['/hackenv/tmp/args', 'abc'] < 1510625295 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print system {"pwd"} "pwd" < 1510625295 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv \ 0 < 1510625303 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pet nitpicking opportunity: that should be (char *)NULL. < 1510625320 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx tdh < 1510625325 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :niwh < 1510625334 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I misread "Pet" as "Perl", and tried to figure out how that could possibly hep < 1510625335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? niwh < 1510625336 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :niwh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1510625336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*help < 1510625340 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wasn't helpful < 1510625341 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1510625353 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downgoat: as you can see, this channel tends to get sidetracked fairly easily < 1510625381 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc execl("/bin/ls", "/bin/ls", (char *)NULL); < 1510625382 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625382 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The intention was "no, it wouldn't help", I think. < 1510625407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe you can use your C lawyer skills to figure out what's going wrong there? < 1510625430 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: idk I lost track like 10 minutes ago < 1510625438 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no automatic main wrapping or any other fancitude with `runc. < 1510625445 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1510625454 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be thinking of another command or another bot. < 1510625456 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc #include \n int main(void) execl("/bin/ls", "/bin/ls", (char *)NULL); } < 1510625457 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625459 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1510625464 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed a {. < 1510625469 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc #include \n int main(void) { execl("/bin/ls", "/bin/ls", (char *)NULL); } < 1510625472 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom < 1510625477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to carry on. < 1510625493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc #include \n int main(void) { execl("bin/2014", "2017", (char *)NULL); } < 1510625494 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc #include \n int main(void) { execl("tmp/args", "2017", (char *)NULL); } < 1510625503 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​['tmp/args'] < 1510625519 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the current bin/2014 wouldn't work even in 2014? < 1510625526 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date +%Y < 1510625527 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017 < 1510625550 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015 < 1510625551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1510625559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that implies it's probably working < 1510625563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's because it's Python, isn't it. < 1510625595 0 :bridger!~water@2405:204:51a2:890c:791a:9563:1920:6cf9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510625629 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1510625646 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the Python interpreter is doing something to mess up argv[0] < 1510625671 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $'#include \nint main(int argc, char **argv) { while (*argv) { puts(*argv++); } }\n' > /tmp/args.c && gcc -o tmp/args /tmp/args.c < 1510625672 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510625687 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc #include \n int main(void) { execl("tmp/args", "2017", (char *)NULL); } < 1510625687 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017 < 1510625691 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1510625715 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014 < 1510625715 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi < 1510625723 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If bash is invoked with a file of commands, $0 is set to the name of that file." < 1510625735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was about to make a shell script to test that behavior. < 1510625743 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aha < 1510625747 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might apply also if it's invoked "with a file of commands" via "#!". < 1510625752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would I thiink < 1510625754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think < 1510625797 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What would be interesting to optimize other than byte count? < 1510625807 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed and memory usage are a bit passé < 1510625849 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the most interesting non-pure-golf problems are either optimizing some property of the source related but not identical to bytecount (number of unique characters is a common one, typically won by Unary or Lenguage) < 1510625881 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and challenges where your program has to work in as many ways as possible (e.g. run in as many languages as possible), often with a size limit or hybrid scoring < 1510625886 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :radiation-hardening is fun too but kind-of niche < 1510625888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I expected you to say "optimising" < 1510625905 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've completely given up on -ise versus -ize < 1510625914 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radiation-hardening sounds like fun. < 1510625921 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I don't know which one's meant to be British English and which one's meant to be American English < 1510625925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they're both both, or what < 1510625931 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody seems to know or care any more < 1510625941 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's mostly only a problem when it comes to naming identifiers, because you have to be consistent < 1510626386 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510626952 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I just realised that I can hear my spam filter working < 1510626971 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard some sounds from the hard disk and thought "huh, I must have received an email" < 1510626976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the notification popped up a few seconds later < 1510627072 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your hard disk still makes sounds? < 1510627078 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how quaint < 1510627115 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice thing about rotational hard drives is that you can get a huge amount of storage for a small price < 1510627977 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510628201 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I was reading HMRC guidance, and it seems to me that esolangs.org would fall under the "charitable purposes" category. < 1510628240 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510628254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The thing about HMRC-recognised charities is, donations to them are eligible for a thing called Gift Aid.) < 1510628278 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it has to be explicitly registered as a charity, IIRC < 1510628287 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably comes with a number of legal requirements < 1510628312 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could probably make the case that it's a charity, but the legal overhead for actually setting it up might well be too great < 1510628338 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about your employer's donation matching? < 1510628375 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to register with the Commission unless the yearly income of the charity exceeds £5000, or it's structured as a company. < 1510628386 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think gift aid would only be helpful from brits < 1510628407 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would need to apply for recognition from HMRC, but that seemed more lightweight. < 1510628411 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the point is that you're donating part of your income to charity, so the government "matches" that with the tax revenue from the same amount of income < 1510628428 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that implies that the income had british tax paid on it in the first place < 1510628500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I was mostly thinking about my own donations. < 1510628570 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To be a charitable aim for the public benefit, education must be capable of being ‘advanced’. This means to promote, sustain and increase individual and collective knowledge and understanding of specific areas of study, skills and expertise. -- The types of charities that are capable of advancing education include: information media such as the internet, --" < 1510628701 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some bit about how it shouldn't benefit a "narrow group" (but I don't think that was meant to rule out things most people simply aren't interested in), and a bunch of restrictions of what a charity can do. < 1510629268 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity/structures -- the last two don't have a corporate structure (so can't e.g. employ people or enter contracts, and the trustees keep personal responsibility), but as far as I can tell are still eligible for HMRC recognition. < 1510629456 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510629550 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though to be fair, while the wiki might qualify, fitting something like HackEgo under the "charitable purposes" label would be a bit of a stretch. < 1510629686 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: For that, I would need to nominate the organisation first. < 1510629743 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it would be eligible per the guidelines.) < 1510629818 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, another thing I've not been able to find out is the minimum number of trustees. (They need to be "fit and proper", to boot.) < 1510630256 0 :bridger!~water@2405:204:51a2:890c:791a:9563:1920:6cf9 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1510630458 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to choose a name for the organization. fhtagn makes an excellent acronym < 1510630494 0 :watered!~water@157.49.5.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510630633 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510631325 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would voting on posts/questions be a good idea? < 1510631372 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downgoat: well some questions are better than others, but the voting tends not to work out that well at PPCG < 1510631390 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally questions get upvoted if they're easy, and although that's a popular type of question, it's not one that's universally liked < 1510631399 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it'd be better to have voting on categories rather than a single vote < 1510631419 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, maybe you upvote a tag really high on a question if you think the question is really interesting to people who like that tag < 1510631576 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of my two highest-upvoted questions, one is really good, the other fairly dubious, and I can't remember offhand which is higher < 1510631618 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one's at 171, bad one at 89 < 1510631624 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least the votes worked in that case < 1510631627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a while, though! < 1510631707 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do you have any reccomendations on how question could be categorized beyond tags < 1510631713 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have read somewhere (I don't know if I remembered correctly?) that "-ize" is American (and I think also Canadian), while both "-ise" and "-ize" is British. I am not sure though. < 1510631732 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen it advertized < 1510631733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downgoat: ideally it'd help people find the sort of questions they wanted, which is based on solution techniques < 1510631759 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that can be very hard to figure out in advance < 1510631762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there might not be a good solution < 1510631789 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can often guess in advance whether a winning solution is more algorithmic, more declarative, or more about microgolfing, though < 1510631805 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like 'bookmark' or 'star' posts you personally want to reference < 1510631815 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also [kolmogorov-complexity] which is very different from the rest of golfing, but it's already self-contained enough as it is) < 1510631826 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SE has a starring feature already, I (surprisingly!) have no problem with it < 1510631835 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only on Qs though < 1510631837 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is kolmogolf different from other golf? < 1510631847 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "advertise" is "-ise" everywhere I think. I just looked it up in Wiktionary; it says "advertize" is archaic. < 1510631917 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: having long constant strings as an important part of the solution is normally looked down on in golfing as the question becomes about optimizing those rather than about the rest of the question < 1510631935 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compression in that form can require some highly specialised techniques and things outside the normal goal of the language < 1510631948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you're trying to spot and exploit patterns, rather than work out a clever algorithm < 1510631969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't all golfing about Kolmogorov complexity? < 1510631986 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, sort of, but kolmogolf is specifically about when you have a fixed output to produce < 1510631999 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the output chosen is normally ascii-art or the like, something with a repetitive but not uniform structure < 1510632015 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could think of regular golf being about writing functions, which run with no exceptions < 1510632022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kolmogolf about encoding the exceptions < 1510632133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a huge fan of kolmogolf < 1510632144 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1510632159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often is the most efficient algorithm implemented as eval + kolmogolf? < 1510632169 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like reverse-kolmogolf but got disillusioned with it because I normally took much longer to write my answers than everyone else so didn't get upvotes even though they were IMO way more interesting (and shorter) than the other answers < 1510632178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it mostly only happens in PHP for some reason < 1510632195 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on PPCG, because PHP isn't that popular there and because people don't often think of it < 1510632201 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the time on anagolf < 1510632282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's an example of reverse-kolmogolf (full disclosure: this is one of my questions): https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/105303 < 1510632442 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1510632442 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1510632442 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1510632529 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you have to recognise a large number of large inputs, but you know the input will be one of those, so you only have to focus on the differences and don't have to recognise the whole thing < 1510632560 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you deleted your account, you no longer post referral links, which I like. < 1510632566 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand stackexchange referral links. < 1510632613 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I got massively downvoted for complaining about some badges being seen by some people as a negative < 1510632638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember. < 1510632641 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned the badge for people visiting your referral links as an example of that, thinking about you when I did < 1510632664 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, if you can get the badge for yourself, you can just as easily inflict it on someone else by editing the link, as there's no authentication on it < 1510632665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badge of shame. < 1510632671 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the badge is all it does < 1510632688 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have any badges of shame? < 1510632811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the badges are really counterproductive in many ways, though, for example the fact that you got a badge for filling out your profile incentivised me to not do it < 1510632823 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I could always choose to do it later but I could never get rid of the badge < 1510632830 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, gamification is scow < 1510632843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowification < 1510632864 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I'd be OK for it for something that was actually a game < 1510632867 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't, the incentives are all wrong < 1510633254 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510633461 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510633497 0 :watered!~water@157.49.5.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510633514 0 :bridger!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510634245 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510634288 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510634401 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510634561 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510634893 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510635340 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510637324 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1510637488 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510638350 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510638563 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510639026 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1510639567 0 :bridger!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1510639610 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510639984 0 :Challenger5!43bc7f28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.127.40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510640671 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510642834 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1510642909 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510644085 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to store a PC text screen (or anything that is close enough) with variable width and height, one format to use would be MZM, I think is work for such purpose. < 1510644156 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format is same like PC video memory but with a header that specifies the width and height. < 1510644178 0 :augur_!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510644267 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510644619 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: linky? < 1510644629 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doesn't show anything :\ < 1510644723 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a description that I wrote myself: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/mzm.form < 1510644763 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux is capable of reading and writing this format, although it supports a superset of what I described. The subset I described is a subset which can be suitable for programs other than MegaZeux too. < 1510644802 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1510644829 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated: I've long wanted to write my own video *container* format - though certainly not an encoding < 1510644841 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of features I want that nothing seems to provide < 1510644843 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1510644887 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510644957 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it you wanted? I also made up such a container format, based on Ogg, but it is a bit different in order to avoid some of the problems of Ogg without adding the problems of other formats too, and without adding too much complexity. < 1510645001 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing I want is layers < 1510645037 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you perhaps elaborate on that? < 1510645040 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, sending a video, and an overlay with say bounding boxes, etc < 1510645045 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will, in one moment) < 1510645060 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second thing I want is transformations-in-container as a layer < 1510645079 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so, lets say I have a standard video, but I want to be able to block out parts of it as a user-selectable action < 1510645086 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I want to insert shapes on top < 1510645112 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or enable "high contrast mode" or "distorted mode" or whatever the change the underlying video is < 1510645119 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., I want composable videos < 1510645134 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although that seem then the layer codec may be need to add on. < 1510645147 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my design: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/glogg < 1510645160 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1510645254 0 :Challenger5!43bc7f28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.127.40 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510645267 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relation fields in the control block could be used to specify relations between different streams (whether with same or different codecs) if needed, so you could make the relation to the overlay with the video, or whatever. < 1510645379 0 :augur_!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510646147 0 :Challenger5!43bc7f28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.127.40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510646168 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510646183 0 :Challenger5!43bc7f28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.127.40 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody remember something about a lang with a really weird type system? < 1510646221 0 :Challenger5!43bc7f28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.188.127.40 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, there were like 1-2 builtins that were so polymorphic they functioned as the standard library < 1510646530 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1510646726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ModanShogi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53363 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+469) 10Created page with "The example program is not a valid sequence of moves in a shogi game (whether the pieces start in the normal starting position for the game or otherwise). 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But when choosing it, I found that Nokia is no longer making mobile phones like they used to, so < 1510680616 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though my approx. seven years old Nokia mobile phone has non-flat keypad, flash for the camera, and a camera resolution greater than 640x480, I absolutely can't buy a new Nokia mobile phone satisfying those three criteria at the same time. < 1510680755 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Nokia 216 has non-flat keypad, camera flash, but (two) 640x480 pixel cameras. < 1510680809 0 :david3x3x3!3425a618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.52.37.166.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, cell phone form factors lack a lot of variety recently < 1510680823 0 :david3x3x3!3425a618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.52.37.166.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost impossible to find a good qwerty phone these days < 1510680832 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Nokia 230 has large resolution main camera and camera flash, but a flat keypad. < 1510680896 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nokia 130 apparently doesn't have a camera, or at least they're hiding it well. < 1510681040 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Nokia 3310 has non-flat keypad, high-res camera, camera flash, ... wait, why didn't I buy that one? < 1510681068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it just looks bad in genera < 1510681074 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1510681281 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510681515 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1510681916 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510681947 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510682257 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510682948 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510682965 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510682985 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1510683179 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510683282 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1510683315 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510683323 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510683326 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bescrzjcrahdylzw JOIN :#esoteric < 1510683431 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Client Quit < 1510683808 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510684521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510684521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510684521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510685671 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A function that returns the current continuation. When this continuation is invoked, an array of the arguments passed will be substituted and returned by the function instead." Is there a function like this already (well, has someone thought of it yet)? I can seem to remember reading about it, but IDK. < 1510685885 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510686013 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is "law of excluded middle" continuation; is it similar to what you intended? < 1510686365 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to check, but yes, that is what I remember reading about. < 1510686490 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: um, I don't understand your question. is that just an ordinar call-cc with a trivial wrapper around it, like (lambda (f) (let-values ((a (call/cc f))) a))) in scheme? < 1510686521 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vararg wrapper that is < 1510686590 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510686595 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... not sure. < 1510686621 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: um, try to give an example to clarify your definition then? < 1510686648 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510686657 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no, the above code doesn't wrok < 1510686669 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1510686681 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck did call/cc work in scheme, let me try to understand this < 1510686720 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it works, I dunno < 1510686847 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambda (f) (call/cc (lambda (e) (f (lambda a (apply e a)))))) might be cleaner < 1510686862 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, that's wrong < 1510686887 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambda (f) (call/cc (lambda (e) (f (lambda a (e a)))))) might be cleaner, ignore the previous one < 1510687003 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this Haskell code I wrote from before: lemCC = callCC (return . Right . (<=< return . Left)); The other way around define also is possible: callCC x = lemCC >>= either return x; < 1510687016 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.ubuntu.com/25962691/ < 1510687051 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what would be the corresponding way in Scheme) < 1510687231 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510687296 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510687329 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the way I interpreted the question involves a vararg function, so it probably doesn't relate to that Haskell thing you typed above < 1510687362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't understand what that Haskell thing you typed does < 1510687650 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC (return . Right . (<=< return . Left)) < 1510687652 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadCont m => m (Either a (a -> m c)) < 1510687868 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510687927 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a law of excluded middle continuation. < 1510689685 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 110 < 1510689687 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :110.00°F = 43.33°C < 1510691655 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1510691727 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510692245 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510692316 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510692321 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510693115 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510694237 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510694422 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510694606 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510695760 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510695790 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510695966 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc5c:86e3:3132:7241 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1510699287 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510699351 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510699858 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510700034 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1510700933 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510702231 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510702878 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510702962 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1510702967 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:adopted//"Oh lord, we've adopted another one." (about Emily) => Marten realizes what kind of webcomic he lives in in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2298 \ fugal//Fugals are fictitious flower parts. \ lachine//Lachine is an unholy portal to China, closely guarded from Ëvil by Roujo. \ fish//Come and dance and love the fis < 1510702972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1510702973 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:h! Mister Disco summoned it. \ space//Humans come from space. In particular, the part of space that has Earth in it. < 1510703082 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510703141 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510703187 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510703201 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510703722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510704778 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510704847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510705907 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510706136 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510706513 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510707694 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510708677 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510708782 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1510708831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510710491 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510712491 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510712726 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510715715 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510717717 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510723101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1510727457 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-100-233.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510729002 0 :jesusFnatic!~jesusFnat@adsl-108-71-32-142.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510729089 0 :jesusFnatic!~jesusFnat@adsl-108-71-32-142.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net PART #esoteric : < 1510729596 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1510730522 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510730574 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510730604 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510730728 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1510730872 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510730896 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510730947 0 :fractal_!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510730998 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510731179 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510731282 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510731303 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510731308 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510731715 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510732507 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510732518 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510732790 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510733125 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510733179 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510733199 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510733990 0 :fractal!fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1510734221 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510735602 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510736436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6IhK6x_gDo < 1510736439 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy how he can interleave two weapons like that < 1510736450 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :duel weilding < 1510737224 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@mobile-166-172-56-114.mycingular.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510737231 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@mobile-166-172-56-114.mycingular.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510738691 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510739106 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510740237 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bescrzjcrahdylzw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510742486 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@mobile-166-172-56-114.mycingular.net QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1510742486 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@mobile-166-172-56-114.mycingular.net QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1510744601 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510746557 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT : < 1510746882 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510747641 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510747705 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. Is there a practical cheap source of something coke bottles, in that it's a liquid container with volume around 0.5 liter or 1 liter that closes airtight even after mechanical stress, but that are different enough from coke bottles that I can put poisonous liquids in them and be sure it won't be mistaken for a drinkable liquid? < 1510747830 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, a practical and cheap way to mark coke bottles somehow for such a purpose, such that the marking is durable to mechanical stress and washing with water and soap and alcohol and rubbing (but not necessarily to washing with petrol or other solvents)? < 1510748242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existance of such a thing might be a logical impossibility, because such a container would automatically be a practical way for storing drinks, and so would actually be used for storing drinks, and so can be confused with drinks. < 1510748250 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think you are required to add smelly/bitter components to poisons to avoid accidental consumption < 1510748309 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: yes, that's a possible solution too, but in that case, is there some practical and cheap bitter component that I can add at home? < 1510748316 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and there are thousands of bottle types, just check what productions you have local (i do have some bottles like milk bottles production nearby) < 1510748396 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: naoh even in low concentration is very unpleasant to taste, but check what is added usually < 1510748431 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why do you have so much poison and what are you doing with it < 1510748437 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: there are lots of bottle types, but many aren't sold empty (I am actually buying cheap bottled water to get PET bottles for example) and ones that are sold with soap or milk are practically impossible to clean the original contents off them. < 1510748443 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510748473 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you might be able to find the bottle manufacturer < 1510748488 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510748489 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: check manufacturers who do sell them empty for business, order a pallet of bottles, might be cheaper even if you wont use every bottle < 1510748498 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: household cleaning agents, which I want to package to a more durable or smaller container for traveling < 1510748542 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleaning agents i did see are nasty in smell already < 1510748594 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: natrium hydroxide? seriously? I mean, that one is more scary than almost all the things I have at my house already. I don't know what it's like in small quantity though. < 1510748602 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they seriously use natrium hydroxide for this? < 1510748711 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: as liquid cleaning agents? I guess not < 1510748741 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510748745 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it definitely makes ingestion almost impossible, hehe =) < 1510748763 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: some cleaning agents are nasty in smell, but some aren't. examples are (a) dishwasher rinse aid, which doesn't have a specific smell, and also is as viscous as water, (b) isopropanol, which seems to be cheaper to buy in laboratory clean version than as a mixture cleaning product. < 1510748779 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what dishwasher rinse aid tastes like, it might already be bitter. < 1510748789 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm also not sure it's poisonous < 1510748800 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still don't want to get it mixed with a drink < 1510748813 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did taste the isopropanol and it was the worst thing ever. But i guess it already had some stuff added in it for a bad taste < 1510748835 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: yes, there are denatured versions with bitter additives, but the pure one doesn't taste too bad < 1510748844 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think it doesn't, I'm not willing to try < 1510748900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, even if the thing isn't poisonous, I'd like a nice durable way to label bottles to distinguish between different similar liquids. < 1510748933 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sticky paper for that, but for some things like soap bottles I use in a shower that doesn't work, the label peels off quickly < 1510748938 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff that is used in pepper spray can be bought as a powder, and if person isnt mexican or indian, he wont be able to tolerant this < 1510748971 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :but proper stuff thst is used works in very small concentration, so is cheaper (because you need just a droplet) < 1510748980 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use permanent marker on bottles, but for isopropanol in particular that won't work, because isopropanol solves the permanent marker ink, and even without that it sometimes smudges on some bottle surfaces. < 1510749037 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pepper spray powder? Does that leave a residue? Some of the bitter additives for alcohol-based cleaners live a solid residue, which is very annoying and sometimes defeats the whole purpose of using an alcohol-based cleaner. < 1510749052 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510749087 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, I think pepper spray powder might irritate the skin more than an alcohol-based disinfectant. < 1510749122 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can dilute it more < 1510749150 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :it irritates the skin only in defence-grade concentration (10% mass) < 1510749214 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 1% by mass is what some of the peppers are, but most people cant tolerate that. And 0.1% by mass is what some cultures may tolerate, so probably too few < 1510749267 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: hmm... still doesn't seem like a good idea if I want to use the isopropanol as a disinfectant, but can work if I only use it for whiteboard cleaning. would it leave a residue on the whiteboard? < 1510749302 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a residue on the cleaning rag, if I use reusable textile for that? < 1510749342 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 1% is quite a lot of residuals < 1510749364 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its a sugar-like component, so it might be sticky < 1510749445 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want residual-free then you either need very low concentration (professional stuff), or quickly evaporating stuff (like acetone) - but acetone-like stuff will leave the mixture with time and it wont be so unpleasant to taste < 1510749474 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually this has turned to a specific other sub-question that I could ask on a forum: what cheap practical additive I could put in isopropanol (between 50% to 90%) that makes it have a bad taste but I can still use it as skin disinfectant, cleaning glasses, help drying bottles after washing, or cleaning whiteboard. < 1510749502 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mustn't leave a residue after evaporating, and mustn't irritate the skin or even open wounds more than the isopropanol itself does. < 1510749521 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleaning glasses would need no residuals at all, even 0.1% or so will be noticed i think < 1510749541 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acetone... hmm, that might work, because it's definitely cheap and evaporates well. Is that bad tasting? < 1510749558 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. "wont be so unpleasant to taste". < 1510749566 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its not that bad in taste but it is so dense in smell that its hard to breath < 1510749576 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: exactly, and helping bottles dry also requires no residude. < 1510749576 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e494:d8c3:b25a:89d2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510749596 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people tend not to drink stuff that is so unpleasant to breathe < 1510749615 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by "leaving the mixture in time" only means it evaporates quickly, that's fine for isopropanol, because that also evaporates quickly < 1510749644 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, i remembered now, for methanol government used kerosene and gasoline < 1510749665 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and people tend not to drink stuff that is so unpleasant to breathe" => I dunno. I keep hearing of accidents about people drinking liquors (esp. pálinka) from a mineral water bottle accidentally, when they consume a large amount before realizing it's not water. < 1510749667 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerosene is a bit slow to evaporate. But gasoline is a bit faster < 1510749690 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasoline doesn't have a bad smell or bad taste in small amounts I think < 1510749700 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can add more < 1510749715 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very bitter and has distinguishable smell < 1510749725 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in ~10% concentration < 1510749740 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leaves no residuals, evaporates a bit faster than isopropanol < 1510749749 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is about as irritating as isopropanol < 1510749751 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... interesting. although then it might solve things I don't want to solve when used for cleaning, although for the specific examples I gave that's not a problem < 1510749811 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can simply buy denaturated methanol and add some % of it, hoping that concentration of denaturat is enough < 1510749879 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :substances like aromatic oils, especially cheap ones are often disgusting , btw =) can biy those too. But their smell is way too strong < 1510749889 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that reminds me, what's the price and composition of these denatured alcohol mixtures sold as coolant for cars? < 1510749897 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could that be usable as a cleaning agent as is? < 1510749907 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does that have methanol? < 1510749933 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its ethylene glycole + proper denaturat < 1510749962 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethylene glycole by itself is similar to isopropyl , but isn't as good < 1510750002 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. is it watered up much? < 1510750003 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Price is about the same as gasoline, may be even cheaper < 1510750009 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :about half water < 1510750026 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might work if I mix it with the isopropanol. < 1510750050 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to look this up. < 1510750061 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by the ethylene glycol though. You will be just using that small fraction of proper densturat < 1510750084 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case you can just buy proper denaturat. Will be cheaper < 1510750114 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I can mix a large enough amount in the isopropanol, like 25% of car coolant with 75% isopropanol. < 1510750124 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I buy the denaturant? < 1510750144 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could ask in the chemical agent store or the pharmacy or something. < 1510750146 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ebay? they sell almost everything < 1510750173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell almost everything but won't ship fire hazard liquids, which some of these are. < 1510750195 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They certainly shouldn't ship isopropanol or gasolene in mail. < 1510750211 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why this sort of stuff is hard to get in first place. < 1510750228 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't just order cheap denatured isopropanol from China. < 1510750339 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pyridine is used in densturated alcohol < 1510750452 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pyridine? < 1510750553 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :And aniline < 1510750591 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of them smell fishy, which might be a bad idea for cleaning agent < 1510750640 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for labeling bottles, I wonder about these sticky strips that are printed with a handhelp heat printer they sell for cheap but with expensive tapes, like Dymo. I hear they stick well. I wonder if they'd still well enough to a coke bottle. < 1510750671 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510750689 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: I think the point is that the alcohol or bleach based cleaning agent can smell bad, if that smell evaporates about as quickly as the alcohol or bleach itself. < 1510750702 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitterant - 5 more things (not as smelly, but bitter) < 1510750727 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you will leave the cleaning agent to just evaporate in those cases, and while it's not evaporated, the smell should be there as a warning. < 1510750765 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like for the bad smelling agent for city methane gas. < 1510750803 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a bad smell is a good idea for these even if you don't try to drink them. < 1510750865 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the above dont evaporate (leave residuals) < 1510750880 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: the above what? the bitterants? < 1510750888 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pyridine and aniline? < 1510750902 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :No,those two do evaporate. The 5 of bitter agents < 1510750943 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1510750961 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for a car coolant liquid that is not a problem < 1510750980 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they are bitter in 0.08ppm. Layer will be invisible even on glasses < 1510751071 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :layer is invisible if its thinner than 100nm or so. For 1ppm this allow to evaporate 100mm of liquid (usual evaporation thickness is 100um or so). so up to 100ppm is safe (can't be seen even on glasses) < 1510751130 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still can change the feel when you touch it and increase the speed of dust accumulation, but people wont notice it < 1510751181 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's an idea. I could use bleach bottles! They're already used for poisonous stuff, and the bleach is easier to clean from them than soap or oily stuff from their bottles, I already buy bottles of bleach for cleaning, and some of them are durable enough. < 1510751211 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510751235 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need more than 100 bottles - call people who actually do the bleach bottles and buy a pallet of them =) < 1510751255 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lighter fluid bottles might be even better, but I don't generally buy lighter fluid so I'd have to buy them normally. < 1510751265 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/normally/specfically/ < 1510751310 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a perfect solution, but marking a bleach bottle might be better than marking a coke bottle. < 1510751336 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anywhere's selling cheap bleach in half-liter bottles instead of one liter bottles. < 1510751353 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even a one litter bottle is fine. < 1510751388 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's these ugly gray square-shaped bleach bottles that nobody will confuse with drink bottles. < 1510751408 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have to mark them so people don't confuse them with bleach, but it's better. < 1510751413 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids are stupid enough to drink it anyways < 1510751459 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510751478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but kids will also try to eat the dishwasher tablets and stuff like that. It's a much harder problem to kid-proof things. < 1510751491 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My apartment is not small-kid-proof. < 1510751511 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats why detergents are added =) to make it kid proof < 1510751591 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And note that some bleach bottles have these safety caps, the ones that are supposedly kid-proof, although I don't think they really prove difficulty for a kid, that open if you press down or press on the side or something. < 1510751607 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all bleach bottles have these though. < 1510751617 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its hard to open those though < 1510751621 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My vitamin bottles have such caps too.) < 1510751626 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean physically, kids might not be strong enough < 1510751643 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :or smart enough to figure out where to press < 1510751663 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the strongest and smartest kids only will die ^=^ < 1510751664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: I can do that with a coke bottle too. If I screw the cap hard enough, then my mother can't open it. < 1510751684 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doing that could make the bottle less durable, so I try not to. < 1510751759 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It makes sense for the vitamin bottle, it's not easy to overdose those vitamins, but a kid eating the whole bottle of 100 pills would be a bad idea.) < 1510751888 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, note to self, re-ask these questions when ais523 arrives. < 1510752188 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510753089 0 :HW_!0eae4a9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.174.74.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510753349 0 :HW_!0eae4a9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.174.74.155 QUIT :Client Quit < 1510754112 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510754262 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510756993 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510757101 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510757827 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510759872 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510761867 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e494:d8c3:b25a:89d2 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1510762014 0 :david3x3x3!3425a618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.52.37.166.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510763927 0 :david3x3x3!3425a618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.52.37.166.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510764902 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510765881 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, in fact I could use bottles of rinse aid. That's probably easy enough to clean, and they come in small bottles. < 1510765895 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wanted to ask you something, but I have to afk now for like three hours, so I can't. < 1510765924 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, ask me later then < 1510766719 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510768608 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.38.231.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510768608 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.38.231.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510768608 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510768747 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510769421 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510769474 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510769660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510769660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510769660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510770000 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510770251 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510770394 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510770860 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510771713 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510772232 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510772576 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510772588 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510772635 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510773081 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510773246 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510773505 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510773711 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510773776 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510774548 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1510774572 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1510775604 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510775632 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510776077 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510776236 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FISHQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53364&oldid=46742 5* 03Zseri 5* (-148) 10improve c code < 1510777783 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqagqxhrgdtwahim JOIN :#esoteric < 1510777937 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510778524 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510778583 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510778697 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I think the best solution so far for isopropanol is this. Rinse with water then dry an empty bottle of dishwasher rinse aid. Mark it as "FIRE HAZARD POISON" with colored nail polish, as well as put a more detailed (but easier to peel) sticky paper label written with pen, and possibly also a strip of colored PVC insulation tape around the bot < 1510778697 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tle. < 1510778713 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're still here? good. here's my question < 1510778725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "still", I just rejoined < 1510778773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, ask your question < 1510778818 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to take say 0.2 liters of isopropanol to my office for cleaning whiteboards. What is the right container for this? It should be watertight, should clearly not look as something that can be drunk safely, these properties should be durable to mechanical stress and cleaning the exterior with soap water and rubbing with a sponge, < 1510778842 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert on isopropanol < 1510778842 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should also be durable to the isopropanol itself (which is why writing with a sharpie isn't an option). < 1510778851 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be better off asking someone who knows about it < 1510778876 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a pharmacist? I should probably do that. < 1510778908 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the easier solution might be to buy a dedicated whiteboard cleaner spray; although the ones I'm aware of tend to damage whiteboards in such a way that you can't remove ink from them without the spray, presumably to persuade you to buy more spray < 1510778933 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1510778979 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it so hard to clean your whiteboards, anyway? with a good whiteboard and whiteboard pen, pressure is enough, and in extreme cases water < 1510778981 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the easier solution would be to buy denatured alcohol, which is much less poisonous, and so can be put to an ordinary coke bottle. < 1510778997 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't recommend cleaning the whiteboard with poison < 1510779038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's easy to clean if you clean it immediately, but hard to clean if you leave the marks on for weeks, and in any case, cleaning leaves a lot of residue that becomes ugly after a while. < 1510779069 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is cleaning it with poison a bad idea? < 1510779082 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it puts poison on a surface that people might plausibly touch by mistake < 1510779093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll presumably evaporate readily < 1510779093 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. http://www.peachridgeglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/3SkullsAprill.jpg < 1510779110 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: then you have poison in the air < 1510779135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so you should make sure it's well ventilated < 1510779135 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touching is safe. Isopropanol is like bleach, it evaporates quickly and is safe after that. I clean my floor with bleach, and if you open the windows and wait for an hour that's also safe. < 1510779144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1510779155 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: yes, open the window to let the fumes leave. < 1510779173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'poison on surfaces is bad' just sounds like... ais logic < 1510779176 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-accessories/polish-inspection-sprays/isopropanol-alcohol-ipa-500ml/prod_818.html <-- serious version < 1510779178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that you would at least need the container to carry the standardised warning symbols for poisonous chemicals < 1510779207 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(out of stock, but those orange warning labels look serious) < 1510779211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob how did you even get the isopropanol < 1510779214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it come in < 1510779236 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH: In a one little sized bottle. I don't want to take all of it to the office. < 1510779241 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one little/one liter/ < 1510779243 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I bought it < 1510779376 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the standardized warning symbol is a good idea. that's a red diamond frame with some incomprehensible black drawing inside it. < 1510779437 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel really uncomfortable discussing this sort of subject at all < 1510779443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm < 1510779446 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a moment < 1510779610 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: should I ask about repainting the wooden window frames with the kind of paint that requires these much more poisonous aromatic solvents first, to make this sound safer in comparison? < 1510779670 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I happen to know a chemistry teacher, I was asking her for advice on the subject < 1510779686 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's why I went AFK) < 1510779708 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you a chemistry geek yourself? < 1510779731 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she says that she hasn't seen anyone try to use isopropanol outside the lab (and wouldn't use it in experiments), but uses acetone plus an air drier for cleaning chemicals off lab equipment, and very occasionally on whiteboards too < 1510779734 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has similar properties < 1510779758 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she says you mustn't let anyone drink or inhale the isopropanol < 1510779787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have to store it somewhere that only you have access to in order to avoid it being used inappropriately by other people < 1510779795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still pretty concerned about the whole subject though < 1510779994 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mustn't let anyone drink or inhale => yes, it's poisonuos < 1510780007 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Funding14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53365&oldid=53361 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+586) 10suggestions about funding < 1510780038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't acetone worse? I can buy acetone if it works on whiteboards, but I thought it was worse, because it's similarly a fire hazard even in vapor form, it's poisonous to ingest, and solves more things than isopropanol < 1510780041 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol#Toxicology ... I can imagine worse poisons. Also "Rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizer, and disinfecting pads typically contain a 60–70% solution of isopropyl alcohol in water." (dilution affects toxicity but will happen anyway *if* you ingest the stuff.) < 1510780051 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :acetone is what you get if you ingest it < 1510780127 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: isopropanol metabolises to acetone, so they're similarly poisonous < 1510780164 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but I thought acetone was a more powerful solvent for household stuff, I could be wrong in that < 1510780221 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the reason she uses acetone is I think precisely because its a powerful solvent, she's trying to clean substantially more dangerous chemicals off glass < 1510780228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of them disolve in either water or acetone < 1510780231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :denatured ethanol might be better, because it's less poisonous, but has similar properties as a solvent, as in works for whiteboard cleaning, and is similar fire hazard < 1510780251 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used ethanol to clean permanent marker off glass myself < 1510780273 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's in the category of chemicals I'm not afraid of < 1510780296 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ethanol works for that, it even lets you clean permanent marker from more rough surfaces by rubbing (it's easier to clean from glass) < 1510780504 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm really not an expert at this sort of thing; I think I have an A-level in chemistry but didn't score amazingly well at it < 1510780520 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks for the help anyway. < 1510780576 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to look up where I can get cheap and already denatured hand disinfectants based on alcohol or isopropanol, but so far I've found they're generally sold pretty expensive in most places. < 1510780599 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those would work as whiteboard cleaner and similar too. < 1510780628 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even then I want to figure out this bottle thing. < 1510780749 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think storing it in a locked cabinet where only you have the key, + written warnings, + the standardised warning pictographs < 1510780817 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a locked cabinet might just about be possible, but a locked cabinet for which only I have the key sounds unrealistic for the office (this isn't at home) < 1510780839 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :written warnings are definitely what I want, but I'm asking how I can make them durable on the bottle < 1510780870 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in my office everyone has a cabinet to which only they have the key < 1510780879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you possibly keep private records and the like without that? < 1510780901 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory I could take in a small metal casette for which only I have the key or something, but that's a bit expensive. < 1510780962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a bottle whose entire purpose is to contain a chemical that cleans ink off surfaces is unlikely to be able to write warnings on < 1510780970 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they'd have too much of a chance of being rubbed off by the same chemical < 1510780980 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, really? Isn't only one person having the key usually impractical? Most keys have copies at different people because anyone might lose keys by accident or pickpocketing or robbing? < 1510781005 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, most workers at our office don't have separate lockers for which only few people have a key. < 1510781013 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, there are master keys I think < 1510781017 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they'd be unlikely to be used < 1510781028 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you're the only person who has a key intended for genreal use < 1510781043 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have expensive equipment in lockers for which only few people have the key, plus we have the system administrators' room for which I think only the three sysadmins have the key, or perhaps one more person. < 1510781058 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the server room for which similarly only the sysadmins have the kye. < 1510781086 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely don't have such a lockable closet at work, and most other co-workers don't have one either. < 1510781113 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use mine for storing my laptop in sometimes when I go out to eat, that sort of thing < 1510781120 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't store poisonous chemicals in mine) < 1510781147 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own desk and unlocked boxes labeled with my names where other people are unlikely to touch my belongings, and there's some personal things like my home keys that I always keep on my person at work. < 1510781204 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have something of a theft problem in our department < 1510781237 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, we have things stolen too, but it's mostly valuable things. My less valuable personal belongings are less likely to be stolen, and even if they are, they're cheap to replace. < 1510781256 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wouldn't leave valuable equipment out in the open. < 1510781259 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point someone set off the fire alarm then started stealing things while people were evacuated, but they got caught fairly quickly because they had to use a swipe card to get through some of the doors < 1510781326 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's scary. Is that a crime even if not actually stealing anything, only intending to steal? In any case, it's a pretty bad idea. < 1510781361 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anybody does that here. They just walk in open doors when nobody pays attention and remove things acting as if they have authority in case anyone watches. < 1510781363 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's technically illegal? it's a firable offence though < 1510781395 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a lawyer. < 1510781417 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, in the UK I think (not sure, not a lawyer) it's legal to take something you don't own as long as the owner doesn't need it at the time and you give it back undamaged; at least, I know it isn't theft, it might violate some other law though < 1510781471 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's definitely not the case here. We've had things disappear, not just used for a bit and returned. < 1510781483 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of it might be accidental loss, but we believe some of it is deliberate theft. < 1510781508 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to give any ideas, but the security is really terrible here, so it's easy to steal stuff. < 1510781568 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the stuff that is stored in the rooms that only few people have keys for and aren't left open. We have a large storage room for valuables like that, plus the server room and sysadmin's room which are even safer. < 1510781997 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, M:tG is previewing the third un-set. < 1510782137 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1510782179 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pity they're releasing it just a year after the second Conspiracy set, because some of the conspiracy cards in that feel like un-cards. < 1510782179 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, it's added a new card for the "allow people to deduce the game rules purely by reading cards" deck < 1510782182 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un sets are good for that < 1510782201 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the card that reverses the order of phases lists them all in its reminder text < 1510782263 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you mean a deck that lets a future person reconstruct the rules if they don't have access to the comp rules or similar, but only to a deck of cards preserved in a durable photo or something. < 1510782301 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought at first of a deck based on R&D's Secret Lair < 1510782382 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for cards for the deck you mean, I've been asking for a Sea's Claim with reminder text. < 1510782400 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I must admit that I like the mountaintop boatmaker. < 1510782420 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Decimation Clock < 1510782422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510782422 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe a Spreading Seas with reminder text instead. < 1510782428 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card_by_name Decimation Clock < 1510782429 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: card_by_name: not found < 1510782435 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's it called < 1510782447 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name spreading seas < 1510782448 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spreading Seas \ 1U \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant land \ When Spreading Seas enters the battlefield, draw a card. \ Enchanted land is an Island. \ ZEN-C < 1510782450 0 :Cale_!~cale@192.190.0.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510782551 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute. < 1510782575 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Decimator Web < 1510782576 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimator Web \ 4 \ Artifact \ {4}, {T}: Target opponent loses 2 life, gets a poison counter, then puts the top six cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard. \ MBS-R < 1510782581 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, that's the core of the deck < 1510782619 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nice! < 1510782629 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tells about the sixty cards < 1510782636 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 10 poison, and 20 life < 1510782637 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimator < 1510782668 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name lich's mirror < 1510782668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the 10 poison is easy, it's mentioned in a lot of reminder text, and the 20 life can be guessed from some other cards < 1510782669 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lich's Mirror \ 5 \ Artifact \ If you would lose the game, instead shuffle your hand, your graveyard, and all permanents you own into your library, then draw seven cards and your life total becomes 20. \ ALA-M < 1510782674 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that gives you the 7 cards < 1510782689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(once you've established that life totals start at 20 it's clear that it's restarting the game) < 1510782713 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that card has a lot of rulings < 1510783131 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510783150 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for the 20 starting life, Rebirth might be the best. 7 cards is trickier, Contract from Below (together with Rebirth) or Backup Plan could help, or if you have thousands of cards, you might notice that several refer to drawing seven cards, but none refer to six or more than seven. < 1510783188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter the Infinite normally draws more than seven :-P < 1510783217 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1510783221 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum hand size is a hard rule to convey; you can use something like Spellbook to imply that there is a maximum, but not what it is < 1510783300 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are some cards like "Once with Feeling" that are specifically confusing if you're reconstructing rules this way. < 1510783312 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for establishing that there is a maximum, Day's Undoing might be the best < 1510783329 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Glorious End, that's even cleaner < 1510783350 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name glorious end < 1510783351 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glorious End \ 2R \ Instant \ End the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities on the stack, including this card. The player whose turn it is discards down to his or her maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) \ At the beginning of your next end step, you lose the game. \ AKH-M < 1510783361 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's very clean < 1510783370 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also explains the cleanup step < 1510783370 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Time Stop < 1510783371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time Stop \ 4UU \ Instant \ End the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities on the stack, including this card. The player whose turn it is discards down to his or her maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) \ CHK-R, 10E-R < 1510783371 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1510783388 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some rules, like the combat rules, are really hard to explain on cards. < 1510783404 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And good luck trying to explain banding. There's reminder text for it, but it's never printed, and probably never will be,. < 1510783414 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name benalish hero < 1510783415 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benalish Hero \ W \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/1 \ Banding (Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band. Bands are blocked as a group. If any creatures with banding you control are blocking or being blocked by a creature, you divide that creature's combat damage, not its controller, among any of the creatures it's bei < 1510783427 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it doesn't even fit on one line of IRC < 1510783452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know how banding works but agree that it's complex; it was less complex back in the damage-on-the-stack days, which oddly postdate banding disappearing) < 1510783460 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even without banding, the rules of combat are hard to guess. < 1510783479 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Glorious End should also have many rulings < 1510783480 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, there are a lot of cards that do something like discard all cards and draw seven cards. < 1510783486 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name master warcraft < 1510783487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master Warcraft \ 2(r/w)(r/w) \ Instant \ Cast Master Warcraft only before attackers are declared. \ You choose which creatures attack this turn. \ You choose which creatures block this turn and how those creatures block. \ RAV-R, CMD-R, CMA-R < 1510783489 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably lets you figure out that the starting hand size is around seven. < 1510783497 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 5, disappointing. < 1510783497 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best one I know < 1510783501 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for explaining combat rules < 1510783503 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not complete < 1510783520 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not let you figure out that every player draws every turn except for the first player in two-player games (we house-rule that because it's stupid). < 1510783539 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's an attempt to reduce the first player advantage, it's not enough though < 1510783548 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first player nearly always has the advantage except in some veryr weird matchups < 1510783563 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some control mirrors have a second player advantage, as do most matches involving Manaless Dredge) < 1510783595 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's fine. the bad part is that in multiplayer games, the first player also draws. we believe that's a bad rule and so in our 2 vs 2 multiplayer games, the first player doesn't draw, and the players of a team sit opposite of each other. < 1510783631 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, multiplayer < 1510783649 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG would possibly benefit from Hearthstone's attempt to nullify the first player advantage < 1510783664 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Time Reversal < 1510783665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time Reversal \ 3UU \ Sorcery \ Each player shuffles his or her hand and graveyard into his or her library, then draws seven cards. Exile Time Reversal. \ M11-M, M12-M < 1510783680 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not only does the first player skip their first draw step, the other player starts with an instant that's effectively "{0}: add {1} to your mana pool") < 1510783692 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, a free gold for the second player < 1510783698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, an instant, not a permanent? ok < 1510783701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, sorcery, not instant, but hearthstone doesn't have instants < 1510783709 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a permanent you sacrifice < 1510783720 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, cast from hand and goes to graveyard < 1510783725 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1510783757 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be even better, or worse, depending on the meta. < 1510783789 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1510783799 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be great in storm (and IIRC works in storm-like combos in Hearthstone) < 1510783819 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What storm? M:tG-like storm? < 1510783820 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh you can use that on any turn you wish? < 1510783846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right < 1510783847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes < 1510783855 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: only once per game usually < 1510783866 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hearthstone doesn't have an exact equivalent of M:tG storm but it does have things that care about you having played spells already < 1510783868 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of like Surge, actually < 1510783884 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1510783887 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yeah but not restricted to the first turn, which is what I initially thought < 1510783899 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that would be far less useful) < 1510783928 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it have spells that make your opponent discard a card, or spells that let you choose a card from opponent's revealed hand to discard? < 1510783939 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: probably < 1510783942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert < 1510783962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those don't violate any of the rules I'm aware of for what hearthstone cards can do and they're fairly obvious effects < 1510783979 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the former would probably be random, due to the way that hearthstone's turn timers work < 1510784103 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random discard exists in M:tG too, but is less convenient < 1510784143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name hymn to tourach < 1510784144 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hymn to Tourach \ BB \ Sorcery \ Target player discards two cards at random. \ FE-C, EMA-U, VMA-U, MED-U, V13-M < 1510784167 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a good one power-wise < 1510784201 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, discard at random is more common than I thought. probably because it's common on red cards, which I notice less. < 1510784213 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm searching for it now) < 1510784226 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: on red cards it mostly affects the user, though, doesn't it? < 1510784235 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1510784873 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510785710 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510785818 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18b8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.184 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1510786383 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510786467 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510786704 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510787073 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510787628 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510787743 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510788383 0 :Cale_!~cale@192.190.0.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510788789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510789800 0 :david3x3x3!3425a618@gateway/web/freenode/ip.52.37.166.24 PART #esoteric : < 1510790277 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510792912 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510793152 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510793824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510793885 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl windows appears to have managed to reboot without my permission. < 1510793902 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does that due to mandated updates < 1510793919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had applied a hack that was supposed to prevent it. < 1510794079 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack harder < 1510794345 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most annoying thing is that although it tried to restart the browser, it came up with a halfway wrong set of tabs. < 1510794555 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510794557 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAAA! < 1510794581 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: NOSTRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL! < 1510794581 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they say that an opulent throne room is rarely a place to go to my lair to die. ( wump ( 6) " fillet of a sort, yet there was no sword in its eyes. < 1510794597 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLØØØØØØØØØØØØØØØRJAN! < 1510794645 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot playing NetHack again? < 1510794645 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: polymorph into an unknown being. a towel, it is even more muddled and confused. ( fog, by patrick mcgoohan) < 1510794667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1510794693 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510795309 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're already an unknown being. stop polymorphing. < 1510795309 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: rogue, and hung upon the stays to dry. our stout boots, leathern breeks and deerskin shirts, with a +5 shovel. able to shapeshift, his unpopularity may have been introduced by the all-restrainer hupnos. his nature by which he holds, consisting of a sort of a pearly whiteness; but these luxuriances only formed a more horrid contrast with his claws and poison their unwary victims as well as grabbing and crushing the life o < 1510795309 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523! < 1510795309 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph the SO thread i found it now has a comment that the hack no longer works. and hasn't for about a year :P < 1510795309 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i've just been diligent with rebooting by hand in time. < 1510795309 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except now. i don't remember getting a message that it was _about_ to reboot. < 1510795314 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i cannot find a new, up to date answer. < 1510795336 0 :fizzie!?@? 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Norway model" is often in the papers here these days, what with people speculating about post-Brexit scenarios. < 1510795855 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510796054 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510796553 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets his activity period to 15:00 - 09:00
< 1510796569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be reasonable _most_ days. < 1510796601 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yep, it's pretty much the inverse of everyone else) < 1510796696 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510797008 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510797597 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510797602 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1510797621 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Downgoat < 1510797640 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the code-golf site. I was wondering if anyone here has any ideas on who should be allowed to edit posts < 1510797646 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack Exchange allows pretty much everyone < 1510797664 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downgoat: one big idea I had/rediscovered since our last conversation < 1510797681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to have, instead of two layers (challenge/answer), three layers (challenge/answer/note) < 1510797689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can submit a note on anyone else's answer (or their own) < 1510797699 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing explanations, questions, further commentary, etc. < 1510797713 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking that an answer would just be the code of an answer, and the explanation would be a note < 1510797720 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can have competing explanations for the same answer < 1510797746 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do that there wouldn't be much need to be able to edit other peoples' posts; on PPCG editing someone else's post to golf it is discouraged, and editing in an explanation wouldn't be needed as you could just add your own < 1510797751 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So kinda like reddit where you can respond to a post's 'answer' with another 'post' < 1510797782 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1510797986 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510798044 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's beneficial for anyone to be able to edit challenges, at least before they go live < 1510798063 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm thinking we sandbox challenges "in-place" but without the ability to answer, then vote them open when we think they're ready) < 1510798210 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Resplicate14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53366 5* 03Ais523 5* (+24) 10an all-lowercase redirect will allow any capitalisation of the word to be found in search, and this is a hard word to capitalise correctly < 1510798724 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510799589 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510799923 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510800010 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MISCELLANEOUS CHICKEN < 1510800409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53367&oldid=53264 5* 03Ais523 5* (+25) 10+[[Category:Queue-based]] < 1510800619 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510801121 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510803469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Avuxo 5* 10New user account < 1510803553 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, there is a special button to submit to a 'review' mode rather than a publish so you can get feedback < 1510803606 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that could be automatic for all problems? I proposed that on PPCG and it was rejected because of the way that the new questions list sorted, but that wouldn't be a problem if we could define our own sort orders < 1510803698 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53368&oldid=53360 5* 03Avuxo 5* (+285) 10/* Introductions */ < 1510803700 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this reminds me: another useful feature would be a) hiding answers to a question by default (with an option to permanently unhide them) so that people can work on a problem unspoilt, b) allowing identical or similar answers by different people but merging identical anwers and hiding worse answers by default unless they were voted signfiicantly different < 1510803716 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would give us most of the advantages of anagolf in addition to most of the advantages of PPCG < 1510803738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FGITW problem on PPCG is nasty, having it so that if ten people independently come up with the same answer they all get credit seems better < 1510803766 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this might lead to people cheating using a second account / logging out / whatever, but as long as there's no real reward the incentive for cheating should be low and it should also be fairly easy to detect) < 1510804576 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510805477 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510805919 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510806289 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510806392 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510806459 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510807026 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510807308 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510807325 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510807823 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53369&oldid=53235 5* 03Ais523 5* (+17) 10I forgot to add A Pear Tree < 1510808127 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510809538 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1510809740 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510810523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1510810736 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tfbninja 5* 10New user account < 1510811394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53370&oldid=53368 5* 03Tfbninja 5* (+306) 10/* Introductions */ < 1510811547 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1510811761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aceto14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53371&oldid=52015 5* 03Tfbninja 5* (-2) 10/* Grammar */ < 1510811799 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aceto14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53372&oldid=53371 5* 03Tfbninja 5* (+19) 10/* Examples */ < 1510811920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aceto14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53373&oldid=53372 5* 03Tfbninja 5* (+11) 10/* Examples */ < 1510812120 0 :variable!?@? NICK :constant < 1510813152 0 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1510813509 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510813793 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510814474 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510814510 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510814538 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510815550 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yqagqxhrgdtwahim QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510817811 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510817835 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I got Philip Wadler to sign my laptop < 1510817880 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ec15:143:ae78:77ea JOIN :#esoteric < 1510817893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi sleffy < 1510817893 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi sleffy. Heffy. < 1510817912 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I seem to have skipped the pleasantries. My apologies. < 1510817915 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi shachaf < 1510817916 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shachaf. Hachaf. < 1510818421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks sleffy < 1510818422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, sleffy. Theffy. < 1510819789 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510820552 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510822241 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist 68 < 1510822243 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist 68: boily shachaf < 1510822248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily ysaclist 68 < 1510822248 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1510822657 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510822990 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510823578 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4630:1ca7:fdfd:544b:db59:e563 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510824287 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4630:1ca7:fdfd:544b:db59:e563 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510824780 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I can infer it. 25 people have highscores >1000. global achievment stats say that's 4.7% of players < 1510824812 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 / 4.7 * 100 = 532 people own this game, and I'mranked number 111 < 1510824883 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510824947 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510825032 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510825055 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game < 1510825101 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch 'n' shoot < 1510825138 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/stats/498470/leaderboards/1394823/?sr=106 < 1510825211 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510828073 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510831496 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510831964 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510832839 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510833362 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510834127 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510834472 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: OCCIPITAL CHICKEN < 1510834910 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510835799 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510835818 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510835946 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510835949 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Client Quit < 1510836737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Apparently http://www.bardsworth.com/ has announced a few months ago that the comic is abandonned. Pity. < 1510836854 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the first time I've seen a webcomic where the author honestly announced that he's abandonning the comic forever. "We the robots" just said it's on an indefinite hiatus. < 1510836896 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the comics that are stuck in an incomplete state don't have any kind of announcement, they just de facto don't update. < 1510837020 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric :"PURPOSEFUL CHICKEN" < 1510837020 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510838049 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510839554 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ec15:143:ae78:77ea QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510841624 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510843798 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510846056 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510846482 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@icon-thinkpad.wireless.rit.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510846581 0 :mtve!~mtve@fortress3.myftp.org QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 < 1510848574 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:cdce:a349:d867:cd74 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510848704 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510848774 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510848825 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510848837 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510849084 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the recent Firefox upgrade is a really big one; they should have bumped the major version number for it but they ended up devaluing their version number ages ago < 1510849084 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1510849097 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510849126 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, it's broken a lot of extensions; NoScript say that they haven't quite got ready in time for the release and are hoping to have a working extension soon < 1510849132 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so atm I'm browsing with JavaScript turned off entirely < 1510849161 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things still work, the things that don't are mostly sending content to websites (as opposed to reading them) < 1510849242 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aceto14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53374&oldid=53373 5* 03Tfbninja 5* (+42) 10/* Examples */ < 1510849244 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat more lenient on scripts running, but I do have an addon that detects and disables trackers. < 1510849739 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most scripts actively make the sites they're on worse < 1510849765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I whitelist exceptions, but there aren't any fine-grained extensions that work yet so I had to go for the simple, overparanoid option < 1510849768 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting experience < 1510850082 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8416:161a:d9db:139d:c99a:c9d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510850207 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510850264 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know about Wang tilings? I wonder how big the smallest set is for which tilability of the plane is unknown. < 1510850439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: vaguely, I can't remember the details < 1510850452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those just a mathematical formalization of jigsaw puzzles? < 1510850504 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510850585 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: With fixed orientation of pieces, yes. < 1510850667 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll take it as a no. (basically, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_tile isn't as informative as I'd like, though perhaps I could find the answer by following some of the references.) < 1510850725 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Wang tilings are obviously TC as you can implement But Is It Art? with them < 1510850742 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a weird language to go via for TCness proofs…) < 1510850794 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which recent firefox update? ah yes, the one that broke all extensions. < 1510850837 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even recent? I think it's been out months ago. < 1510850865 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got pushed to Ubuntu yesterday < 1510850891 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? isn't that backwards? I thought you can implement wang tiles using But Is It Art, because wang tiles are on a square grid, one tile for each square, with just the borders different, < 1510850906 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas But Is It Art tiles can be of any contiguous shape < 1510850910 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can do it either way < 1510850929 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to compile BIIA? into Wang Tiles, you create a unique border code for each internal square connection in the BIIA? program < 1510850931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you use multiple wang tiles to emulate a ButArt tiles? < 1510850934 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1510850939 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while using a single continuous border code for the outside of the BIIA? tiles < 1510850970 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this comes down to "what's the shortest program for which we're not sure whether or not it halts?" < 1510850978 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if PPCG doesn't have a question for that already, it ought to < 1510850979 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suspect it does < 1510851000 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, but this is still a bit backwards, because I thought we knew that wang tiles are TC because the TAOCP claims that or something very close, and we prove that But Art is turing complete using that. < 1510851058 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510851076 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it but it's a hard thing to search for < 1510851093 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: infinite BIIA (and infinite Wang tiles, for that matter) can simulate arbitrary cellular automato < 1510851094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... let me look it up. I think it might not have been called Wang tiles < 1510851096 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*automata < 1510851168 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, infinite 1d CA or something like that would be the reasonable proof, but I've read TAOCP first three volumes Hungarian translation (based on old editions) early when I was young so it sort of skewed my knowledge, many things it stated I still consider more basic than really more basic things < 1510851212 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh come on, it *is* called Wang. just look up Wang in the index of TAOCP vol 1. < 1510851227 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see what exactly it claims about it < 1510851369 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is in a starred section < 1510851373 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubng11-54f948-150.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510851375 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510851391 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510851420 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1510851525 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think you might be right, this doesn't claim anywhere that this is turing-complete < 1510851528 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1510851531 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1510851535 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1510852491 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's easy to find the answer for Turing Machines because of the busy beaver function. < 1510852547 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_beaver#Exact_values_and_lower_bounds < 1510852676 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO(I think ais knows that) < 1510852700 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not necessarily *easier* to find the answer, it's just more researched already < 1510852729 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the answer *was* about the state of the art < 1510852762 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was using "finding" in the sense of locating the information. < 1510852777 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1510852930 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I assume that if the value of the busy beaver function is not listed as an exact number, it means that there's at least one program of that size for which we don't know whether it halts? < 1510852945 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can conceiveably imagine that there's a program for which we do know that it halts, but don't know how long it takes) < 1510853009 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510853137 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.f6s.com/sergiodemianlerner <-- meh, an unpublished proof?! < 1510853185 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510853378 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510853491 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510853502 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510853557 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.logique.jussieu.fr/~michel/ha.html says that "The study of Turing machines with 5 states and 2 symbols is still going on." and I have no reason to believe that it was resolved in the meantime. < 1510854065 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's lambdabot's callsign again? < 1510854070 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :>? < 1510854074 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1510854099 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1510854107 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, fungot isn't here < 1510854114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @ anyway, I think < 1510854118 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it responds to ? sometimes too < 1510854118 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1510854121 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a special case for > < 1510854124 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + 2 < 1510854126 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1510854137 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I probably can't 22, but I may be able to 26 < 1510854137 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1510854183 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 3 < 1510854184 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num p => p < 1510854185 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 < 1510854187 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1510854194 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 4*4 < 1510854196 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16 < 1510854199 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ each of those < 1510854203 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510854204 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whta's the question mark thing? < 1510854221 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?help < 1510854221 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1510854223 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1510854227 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?run 4*5 < 1510854229 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20 < 1510854231 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1510854312 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510854455 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510854479 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1510854568 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510854829 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510855488 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently M:tG Unstable is going to have some sort of combo creatures made from two cards, with some cards dedicated as front halves and some dedicated as back halves. < 1510855501 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510855549 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not. I dunno. < 1510855559 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just has place splicing of two arbitrary creatures. < 1510855672 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and I think the back halves will work as standalone creatures too. < 1510855761 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how this will work < 1510855812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the back halves have supertype Host? < 1510855837 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what MaRo meant by a mythic vanilla creature, because the supertype doesn't count? < 1510856037 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510856315 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510856512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510856512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1510856512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510856716 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8416:161a:d9db:139d:c99a:c9d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510856724 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510856999 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently the front half has a trigger condition and the back half an action, and together they form a triggered ability. < 1510857002 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1510857683 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1510857713 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1510858779 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510858833 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510859275 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510859442 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510861125 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "pure speculation" would be a fine name for a Haskell fintech company :P ) < 1510861195 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510861501 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1510861634 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510861775 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510861848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510862006 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1510862719 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510862826 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510863077 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510863311 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vbtnulcndmjzjvac JOIN :#esoteric < 1510863627 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1510865642 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:490:8531:5a2a:5f15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510866693 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510866736 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510867884 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510867972 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510868928 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510869911 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510870674 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510871484 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1510871881 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510871961 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510872915 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510873537 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510874189 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510874509 0 :wob_jonas!b03f190d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510874620 0 :wob_jonas!b03f190d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you'll have to update your M:tG variant rules about card names for the Unstable augment mechanic. < 1510874621 0 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.210 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510874624 0 :wob_jonas!b03f190d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.13 QUIT :Client Quit < 1510874688 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever written a boolfuck program that computes the factorial of arbitrarily large numbers ? < 1510874833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510876641 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510877996 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1510878987 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510879388 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510879404 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510880238 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virgin_Lake&diff=810659041&oldid=810658953 < 1510880251 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia edit war < 1510880886 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510881404 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello, hppavilion[1] (if you don't mind me pinging you right now. I mean, this is only once, but I do know of people that are, somewhat justifiably, annoyed by me doing that kind of thing). < 1510881426 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine. < 1510881578 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still experimenting (well, thought experimenting, anyway) with the idea of using the 'lem/cc' primitive to define functions when there aren't any specialized functions. < 1510881591 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/functions/syntactical forms for function definitions < 1510881621 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "function (...) {...}" would be invalid, but you'd be able to use "lem/cc" to recreate the effects of a function. < 1510882122 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510882434 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510882865 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510883387 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510883437 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello, doesthiswork. Doesyourinternetwork? Itlookslikeyourepingingout. < 1510883511 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my girlfriend wants her video to load faster so I'm turning off my connection except when I need to load a page so that she knows that it's not my fault < 1510883700 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510883796 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1510883909 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510884321 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510885321 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510885469 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1510886420 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510887201 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats ridiculous doesthiswork < 1510887210 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its obviously your fault < 1510887223 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of whether you are connected < 1510887295 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its your fault because you didnt buy good enough i ternet service or chose to live in a broadband desert < 1510887322 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its definitely not /her/ fault regardless < 1510888139 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also staring at a loading screen for an hour has a way of fraying the nerves < 1510890078 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510890669 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510891039 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1510891217 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510891640 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.194.43.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510891640 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.194.43.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510891640 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510892171 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510893570 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510893649 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510893825 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510894549 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:a:d288:b2ca:3c7f JOIN :#esoteric < 1510896320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1510902307 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510902992 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1510904559 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510907603 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510907777 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510908398 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510908418 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.194.43.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510908418 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.194.43.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510908418 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510909972 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510909995 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vbtnulcndmjzjvac QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510910195 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510910992 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510911068 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510912425 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510913567 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510914889 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510915475 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510916745 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pairs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53375 5* 03Avuxo 5* (+1231) 10Created page with "'''Pairs''' is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Avuxo]] based on creating binary numbers using characters. To create a 1 use two of the same character in a..." < 1510916888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510916901 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510917003 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see! It's a stupid joke < 1510917026 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why they updated the article https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/unstable-mechanics-2017-11-13 in place (and announced that they would do that in advance) rather than make a second article. < 1510917045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because they *augmented* the article with more text, they same way you augment the host creature. Duh. < 1510917068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is groanworthy the same way as a pun is. < 1510917252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi b_jonas < 1510917259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi b_jonas. Honas. < 1510917271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem right... < 1510917289 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try hello instead of hi? < 1510917296 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello b_jonas < 1510917297 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world < 1510917308 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that doesn't work. that's the stupid hello world script I created < 1510917313 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hello < 1510917315 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hello hello, what's all this then? < 1510917320 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `hello < 1510917321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2017 hello < 1510917321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`hello prints variants of hello, world. To control format, pass a single letter as command-line argument. "@"=>"hello, world", "H"=>"hello, world.", P=>"hello, world!", "X"=>"hello, world,", take 1 letter later to s/h/H/, 2 letter later to s/d,/d/, 4 letter later to s/w/W/, lowercase to remove newline. < 1510917321 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1510917328 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2017 < 1510917329 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi < 1510917335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016 < 1510917336 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1510917439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with this US tax proposal, anyway? < 1510918491 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510918497 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1510918497 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 1d 2h 44m 9s ago: ysaclist 68 < 1510918497 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 17h 52m 40s ago: I probably can't 22, but I may be able to 26 < 1510918511 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: helloochaf. yay! < 1510918534 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia QUINTHELLOPIA. 26 sounds good. < 1510918534 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1510919367 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510919464 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1510919591 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe it's smart and the singularity is just around the corner... no need to waste money on grad students < 1510919721 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's just a cynical move, and quite probably stupid (US is becoming increasingly unattractive for aspiring academics.) < 1510919998 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Is that the change most visible from across the ocean? < 1510920442 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"US is becoming increasingly unattractive for aspiring academics." => very true. and reputedly it's mostly students from asia who get the bad end of that. < 1510920463 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only the situation was not so messed up in Europe, I'd be happy with that, because we'd get all the students here. < 1510920518 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now, America, Europe, and Israel are all messed up, so people can't go anywhere reasonable to do graduate education and science work and conferences. < 1510920543 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510920560 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so your answer is, yes, but across the other ocean mostly < 1510920566 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. I've learned about the change from https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/opinion/house-tax-bill-graduate-students.html (via a blog) < 1510920903 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: outside of my bubble it seems people focus on estate tax and corporate tax, which I guess are the two items with the biggest financial impact. < 1510920955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym death tax hth < 1510920993 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand the widespread opposition to the estate tax. < 1510921009 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SCARED CHICKEN < 1510921022 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is such an opposition, which maybe there isn't. < 1510921215 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand Trump's opposition to the estate tax... and other rich people... so the leadership of the Republican party... < 1510921335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1510921590 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :While you're at it maybe you can explain the Republican party's position on healthcare to me? < 1510921618 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rich people pay for their own healthcare anyway? < 1510921639 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so no need to contribute money to public health care) < 1510922645 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510923907 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510925359 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1510925800 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510926616 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1510927588 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510927690 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1510928585 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510929890 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510931449 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510932720 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510932833 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510935741 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510936860 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1510936899 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510936931 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1510937146 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53376&oldid=53332 5* 03Avuxo 5* (+12) 10/* P */ < 1510937403 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510938222 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1510938544 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510939883 0 :tomahawk!~tomahawk@2602:30a:c067:8a30:ed95:92f4:78b7:4d23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510940414 0 :tomahawk!~tomahawk@2602:30a:c067:8a30:ed95:92f4:78b7:4d23 QUIT :Quit: i want depatsy and cure of baby boy, but not am baby boy, and i have soul products grow soul works with no brain, and Japan my friends, even if bad. no magick in Dante VATICAN < 1510942445 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc110797-lewi20-2-0-cust239.2-4.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510942446 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc110797-lewi20-2-0-cust239.2-4.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1510942446 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510942454 0 :lleu!?@? 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NICK :ceit < 1510943151 0 :ceit!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1510944538 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1510945739 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510945961 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510946345 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510946989 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1510947346 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510947383 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1510947527 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510947780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510948130 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evybhlluexfgahfc JOIN :#esoteric < 1510948334 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510948568 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Funding14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53377&oldid=53365 5* 03JayCampbell 5* (+136) 10Donation < 1510949098 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1510949110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :$5/month lol < 1510949284 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric : < 1510949284 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1510949575 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :$5 a month here, $5 a month there... it can add to a serious amount quickly. < 1510949685 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should turn esolangs.org into an organization that's permitted to use Google Cloud. < 1510950148 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510950656 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510950904 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1510952985 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:a:d288:b2ca:3c7f QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510953206 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It would need "a potential economic benefit", so presumably the non-profit models I was actually looking at wouldn't qualify. < 1510953217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :add ads hth < 1510953246 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just make it a for-profit. < 1510953485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's in the spirit of the thing. < 1510953555 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what Mozilla does < 1510953578 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A for-profit owned by a non-profit. < 1510953611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. They're a slightly bigger operation, though. < 1510953730 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:a:d288:b2ca:3c7f JOIN :#esoteric < 1510953862 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly. < 1510954365 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1823@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510954416 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1823@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there some theorem about this, for how you can always decompose a bounded profit corporation to a non-negative profit and a non-positive profit one? < 1510954531 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510954777 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1823@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.35 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1510954796 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1823@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510954822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510954859 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1823@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.35 QUIT :Client Quit < 1510955109 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo < 1510955124 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic the gathering is turing complete? < 1510955134 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or, well, it depends on your exact definitions < 1510955156 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the construction on http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackFlow unfortunately doesn't quite work because I misunderstood the rules for trigger timing < 1510955159 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/index.html < 1510955165 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it's fixable though < 1510955214 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1510955429 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f9d7:7d7f:faea:ae3e JOIN :#esoteric < 1510955513 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's super-Turing < 1510955537 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to solve the halting problem to decide whether a game is a draw. < 1510955667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure that /specifically/ has been proven, Alex Churchill's constructions IIRC require player decisions sometimes, and my construction doesn't quite work < 1510955668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510955751 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510955752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though there was a way to do computation without player decisions. < 1510955829 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probably is, but my proof of it has a mistake in < 1510955836 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need a new proof < 1510955861 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1510955934 0 :garit!~garit@92.40.134.152.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510955934 0 :garit!~garit@92.40.134.152.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510955934 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510956056 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Client Quit < 1510956512 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510956521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1510957564 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1510957893 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1510957941 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SomethingFwaful 5* 10New user account < 1510958121 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53378&oldid=53370 5* 03SomethingFwaful 5* (+335) 10 < 1510958160 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1510959334 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510959511 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1510960119 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D4E3.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1510960135 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D4E3.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1510960207 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zseri < 1510960680 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1510961584 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510961672 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the suggestion that the mythic rare vanilla creature is a Host is tempting, but I think ultimately it's false because the Hosts all have a triggered ability. < 1510961709 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's something with non-integers in it < 1510961746 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something with Phyrexian mana, which we know returns in unstable on at least one card (but then un-sets are like Time Spiral, they will have mechanics returning for just one card) < 1510961800 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a phyrexian version of Reaper King < 1510961817 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be too abusable. you'd cast it for 10 life in your first turn. < 1510961917 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's not just a vanilla back side of a flip card, like Markov's Servant < 1510961968 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't just be an 1.5/0.5 artifact creature for {0.5} or something, because that wouldn't be mythic. < 1510961990 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just a 100/100 creature for {21} or something < 1510962038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a contraption creature with no crank ability? < 1510962051 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1510962088 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first Teenage monster? < 1510962421 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! They printed the "last strike" ability in unstable! < 1510962423 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY! < 1510962499 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a red direct damage spell with trample. Brilliant. It doesn't work per rules of course, but still, brilliant. < 1510962557 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multi-Headed doesn't have menace? < 1510962617 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selfie Preservation is also a nice idea < 1510962633 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FISHQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53379&oldid=53364 5* 03Zseri 5* (-117) 10some improvements < 1510962652 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me to First Come, First Served sort of < 1510962808 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D4E3.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1510962810 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! And Labro-Bot *is* an artifact. I was wondering about that. < 1510962811 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D4E3.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1510962870 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1950@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.80 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1510963113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1510963579 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f9d7:7d7f:faea:ae3e QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1510965719 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evybhlluexfgahfc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510966199 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1510966897 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my plans on what the ideal codegolf site could look like: https://pastebin.com/raw/G5rhFrhw < 1510967049 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any feedback, etc.? < 1510967061 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also posted these over at PPCG) < 1510967157 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510967566 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am reading it < 1510967645 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gipjtzifnjwzbrwx JOIN :#esoteric < 1510967897 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510967999 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt any kind of "perfect" kind of code-golf could really be made up, although some of the ideas listed in here are good ideas. < 1510968101 0 :garit!~garit@92.40.13.11.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1510968101 0 :garit!~garit@92.40.13.11.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1510968101 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1510968219 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, I doubt this is actually perfect < 1510968228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just my attempt to increase the density of good ideas as much as possible < 1510968447 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being able to attach commends is good, including other marks such as "cheat"; the submitter can do but someone else might also add it with a comment if whoever originally wrote it failed to do so. Anarchy Golf has only the submitter adds (cheat) and stuff like that < 1510968552 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1510968709 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have want to do it more like Unusenet perhaps; you may suggest further kind of control messages and/or MIME headers to support any new feature which may be needed, which I can add into the document. < 1510969075 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, I think they should make a lot of web forums to support Unusenet, so you can use them with NNTP and set up echo servers and so on.) < 1510970280 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510971521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Voting on things based on the current score doesn't seem very stable. < 1510971554 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be better if everyone specified what they think is the right score, and then a score was computed from all of those values? < 1510971573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510971584 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought of that too, but how would you compute it from those values? < 1510971598 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I started writing a message about that, but then I couldn't think of how, so I didn't.) < 1510971616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started thinking about that, but then I couldn't think of how, so I wrote a message. < 1510971626 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't think very hard. < 1510971630 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, it isn't perfect, but I assume that it'll stabilise around the correct score < 1510971637 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :later voters have more influence than early voters < 1510971646 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's kind-of what you want as later voters tend to be more informed < 1510971734 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe earlier voters should be rewarded for voting the way later voters do. < 1510972227 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashdot ended up needing a system for that in order to cut down on trolls trying to manipulate votes < 1510972232 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt a codegolf site does, though < 1510972260 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did the SEC. < 1510972705 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1510972906 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf: that sounds very hebbian < 1510973051 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn hebbian < 1510973052 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "hebbian". < 1510973065 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're increasing the strength of the elements that contribute to the final result early < 1510973097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: It also sounds like any market, doesn't it? < 1510973128 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains are tg < 1510973183 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510973293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510973367 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I hadn't made the connection between hebb's rule and markets before < 1510973394 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after looking up what hebbian means, i conclude that you should use a neural network to compute the score hth < 1510973407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you mean an artificial neural network tdnh < 1510973439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a scam it is that some truncated linear maps are called "neural" < 1510973448 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have used "amortized" there. < 1510973512 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a lot more confidence in them once I found out that they were just made out of linear maps. < 1510973559 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1510973623 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they are almost entirely unlike neurons < 1510974335 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510974871 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1510974967 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1510975319 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gipjtzifnjwzbrwx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1510977503 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1510978421 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510979503 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote this (but I don't know what it would be called): http://sprunge.us/eXUI < 1510979569 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1510979713 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call it eXUI < 1510979946 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510980361 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read this? < 1510980392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I didn't think about it. < 1510981414 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my shoulders just broke out in a rash after I squeezed all my girlfriend's decorative gourds. < 1510981463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( if that's what you call it ) < 1510981681 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I can live with it < 1510982367 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dswpxtnzsduukpau JOIN :#esoteric < 1510987809 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that I got a rash because I'm probably mildly allergic to quinoa < 1510988047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: noaite < 1510990048 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1510990161 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1510991018 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1510992383 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1510992671 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TedDidNothingWrong 5* 10New user account < 1510992733 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53380&oldid=53378 5* 03TedDidNothingWrong 5* (+202) 10 < 1510993192 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck²14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53381 5* 03TedDidNothingWrong 5* (+1307) 10Created page with "Brainfuck<sup>2</sup> is an esoteric programming language, a derivative of [[Brainfuck]] except this time actually funny. 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NICK :Guest50565 < 1511037284 0 :Guest50565!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1511037284 0 :Guest50565!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1511037424 0 :Guest50565!?@? NICK :Vorpal < 1511037443 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the rpi running znc died. Both the external SSD and the sdcard in it died the same day < 1511037504 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi Vorpal < 1511037505 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Vorpal. Horpal. < 1511037741 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1511037751 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything ok with you? < 1511037760 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no SSDs died on you recently? < 1511037991 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1511038007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my liver might be dying < 1511038023 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might not, so I'll be optimistic < 1511038066 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lets hope not. Also I feel silly for complaining about an RPi now compared to that < 1511038183 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was probably an exaggeration < 1511038210 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at an autoimmune liver disease conference today full of talks about things that might or might apply to me < 1511038546 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see, you work in some sort of medical profession? < 1511038658 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DEAA.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1511038665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a conference for nonprofessionals < 1511038697 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat confused, but okay < 1511038756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The audience is patients and caregivers < 1511039144 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and which category are you in? < 1511039198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope none of the above < 1511039219 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm getting some MRIs and things and we'll see < 1511039251 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you well < 1511039259 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night now < 1511039846 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DEAA.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1511039848 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DEAA.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511043884 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511043982 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511044077 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511044126 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1511044345 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets variable to 4
< 1511044353 0 :variable!?@? NICK :constant < 1511044358 0 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: I refuse to change! < 1511044380 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION creates a new local variable named 'constant'
< 1511044395 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you will be overshadowed! < 1511044506 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi constant < 1511044506 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi constant. Honstant. < 1511044528 0 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason HackEgo doesn't seem very honest < 1511044528 0 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason HackEgo doesn't seem very honest < 1511044847 0 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1511045470 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi lonest < 1511045471 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi lonest. Honest. < 1511045548 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi hi < 1511045549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi hi. Hi. < 1511046722 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53382&oldid=51486 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+133) 10/* Burn */ new section < 1511046811 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53383&oldid=53382 5* 03Ais523 5* (+283) 10/* Burn */ r to BradensEsolang < 1511047021 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10Ais523 changed visibility of a revision on page [[02Main Page10]]: content hidden: Copyright violation < 1511047071 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511047197 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511047317 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511047870 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511047947 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511049710 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511050539 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511050842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511051135 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511051210 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES I reached the top 50 my rank is 43 on teh leaderboards < 1511051280 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top fifty of what? < 1511051306 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Top fifty people with the worst places on the leaderboard!" < 1511051308 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk < 1511051383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On what leaderboard? < 1511051796 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itself. < 1511051812 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, "Top fifty people with the worst places on this very leaderboard!" < 1511051859 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1ccb:dd84:6713:6c0c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511051931 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this IRC a leaderboard? < 1511052280 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and every time you chat you climb down it. < 1511052349 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, I thought this IRC is not a leaderboard. < 1511052361 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then I suppose that mean I am wrong < 1511053068 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i recall trying to reverse engineer Burn once based on the idea that the colors represent types of fuel and the numbers where they are in the process of burning. does that ring any bell? < 1511053183 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to me that the 00's in the program were just right for separating "gates" of fire, so they would represent absense of fuel. < 1511053215 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c < 1511053244 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um gates is the wrong word < 1511053257 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paths, i guess < 1511053423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53384 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1882) 10I don't know what it is called. If you know, you can make the suggestion or to fix it by yourself, please. Once it is have the name, to put in main namespace please. < 1511053462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you please to read it? http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/Untitled_1 < 1511053744 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1511053744 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 190050Z 14004KT CAVOK M05/M06 Q1001 RMK WIND 670FT VRB03KT < 1511053747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr < 1511053756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no snow though < 1511054273 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://steamcommunity.com/stats/498470/leaderboards/1394823/?steamid=76561198326671674 < 1511054582 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1511054582 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 190050Z AUTO 29005KT 9999 BKN043 04/04 Q1021 NOSIG < 1511054589 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the rain has stopped. < 1511054652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see clearly now, the rain is gone. < 1511054983 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day we were at a light thing at a park hereabouts and it was a little foggy, it looked very nice. < 1511054986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/tmp/beamrules.jpg < 1511055158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a light thing indeed < 1511055251 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a lot of different light things, https://zem.fi/tmp/gates.jpg and those spheres that are made of little mirrors and so on. < 1511055310 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife says she doesn't understand why nobody in Finland does this sort of places, it's not like they're short on trees and darkness (the two main ingredients) there. < 1511055383 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here there's at least four different ones going on this winter that I've seen ads for. < 1511056911 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511057102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm fairly confident a 00 couldn't change < 1511057132 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think values only changed based on adjacent values, though? it was something like a cellular automaton, not sure exactly < 1511057481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a 00 not changing fits my idea < 1511057498 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also assumed it was a CA < 1511057525 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with changes being "fire spreading" or things continuing to burn < 1511057551 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might look at it again some time. < 1511057588 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also might be very wrong about this, but IIRC the colors were symmetrical, and didn't interact with each other in most cases but did in some special cases < 1511057594 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very confident on that though < 1511057607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also assumed colors were symmetrical < 1511057691 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that they only interacted in special cases. 2s and 3s are rare, so that might be where they interact. < 1511057720 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the example program) < 1511057759 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 00s would be "empty cells", "1"s would be "fire of that color can burn through here" < 1511057812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the 1s look like a kind of network < 1511057912 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1511058258 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511058260 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511065039 0 :variable!?@? NICK :constant < 1511066325 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511066604 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511068506 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511068854 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47D.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mornin' < 1511070470 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53385&oldid=53384 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1342) 10 < 1511070615 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511070733 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program language I made up is I think it can also make a Minsky machine. < 1511071282 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make a better ModanShogi program than the example given, in order to make it to be the actually valid shogi game? < 1511071346 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511071347 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511071539 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1511071548 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1511074663 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511077117 0 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1511077721 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511077845 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511077892 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511079302 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511079938 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511081010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511082977 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511084734 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511087557 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511090962 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bwhnzzzwzobilskv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511091225 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511091229 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511091243 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511091247 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511091283 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.138.34.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511091284 0 :garit2!~garit@188.28.138.34.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511091284 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511091329 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:dd9c:30ee:76a4:a0a JOIN :#esoteric < 1511091417 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511091443 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511091782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Minibug 5* 10New user account < 1511091836 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53386&oldid=53380 5* 03Minibug 5* (+66) 10 < 1511091842 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RENE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53387&oldid=40752 5* 03Minibug 5* (+524) 10 < 1511097218 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511100032 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511100125 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511103371 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511103396 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511103530 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511104058 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511104176 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511104610 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1511104610 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1511104764 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages < 1511104764 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1511104768 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1511105498 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511105617 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511105627 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA! < 1511105640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have accidentally ruined my good keyboard < 1511105648 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some of its keys don't work since I spilled some tea into it < 1511105657 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to clean it out, but it still doesn't work < 1511105669 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will still give it a day or two of drying, just in case it magically fixes itself, < 1511105675 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm afraid I ruined it. < 1511105677 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn < 1511105691 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's such a great keyboard, and wasn't even cheap. < 1511105701 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mad at myself now. < 1511105746 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea sounds a bit boring though < 1511105761 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello. < 1511105771 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had great success at destroying keyboards with Coca Cola :P < 1511105772 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just colored water kind of tea. < 1511105777 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There wasn't even lemon juice in it < 1511105779 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1511105796 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even sticky from sugar like coca-cola < 1511105820 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with sugar... which means that it gets sticky when it dries... as you just wrote) < 1511105996 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it really only happend two times, and the last time was 10 years ago... but these events are quite memorable. < 1511106438 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1511106504 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a warranty on my camera that would cover suddenly getting ruined by tea spills, but not one on the keyboard. < 1511106519 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the keyboard was cheaper than the camera < 1511107185 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511107321 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511107418 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric : You don't have any massages < 1511108086 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1511108101 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511108110 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511108138 0 :sdhand!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1511108161 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :Guest56802 < 1511108211 0 :Guest56802!~sam@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Changing host < 1511108211 0 :Guest56802!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1511108211 0 :Guest56802!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1511108224 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how many keyboards have you destroyed with soft drink spills? < 1511108224 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: they say that the manner of that. whilst speaking he produced a dangerous looking clasp knife, quite in keeping with his watery eyes, of australia, having lived a wild moment, did it? < 1511108245 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I thought, yes. < 1511108251 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, fungot. < 1511108251 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: never burn a tree whose hungry mouth is prest against the panes, and breast of a staff may recharge if you catch a floating eye: floating eyes, so perfectly constructed that no one knows everything about everything in his back up to greet it, and it is said to it. < 1511108260 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never trusted those watery eyes < 1511108281 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot obsessed with eyes? < 1511108281 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: gems are too precious to be turned into a flange that rested against the windowpanes. ( the fellowship of the events was to return from work hachi would be easy to control. many are the devil's work. < 1511108296 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, maybe fungot's obsessed with window panes. < 1511108296 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: if you attack it. < 1511108301 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1511108301 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1511108330 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna see what the youtube style does. < 1511108335 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1511108336 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1511108340 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1511108340 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1511108350 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do much; the training set was very small. < 1511108361 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Was 9/11 an inside job? < 1511108361 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's talent! go for it..maybe hip hop/ metallica/ whoever the hell it then was masturbating f prick < 1511108366 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1511108376 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are you commenting on? < 1511108376 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: just because some1 makes a comment box! < 1511108388 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1511108388 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1511108397 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's always writing in boxes. < 1511108398 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: chapter 1.iii. in/ time :) my visit, had ascended this mountain; and indeed very few :)/ vermilion spots occur within no great length :)/ nose, causing vertical furrows, that is/ picking out :) individuals with such parts slightly less developed, with/ edges blackened and partly withered. < 1511108405 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1511108421 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a slight bug with this particular style, that makes the = /, of = :). < 1511108444 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511108468 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1511108468 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1511108479 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Ooh, IRC logs. < 1511108479 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: it is pointless to say ' jinx!' afterwards, wins. < 1511108485 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :jinx! < 1511108488 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much the default style. < 1511108488 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I win < 1511108499 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: However, the win was pointless. < 1511108504 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: you didn't include the space < 1511108527 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, the space is a bug in the Befunge code. < 1511108533 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric : jinx! < 1511108540 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless details matter < 1511108586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The token sequence generated was very likely [opening single quote], ["jinx!"]. [closing single quote]. < 1511108620 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many ' layers of abstraction' < 1511108822 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I wanted it to be able to ensure paired delimiters are appropriately closed. < 1511108860 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By omitting non-matching closing delimiters, and emitting a suitable sequence at the end if there are leftover open ones. < 1511108884 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like MZM? http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/MZM < 1511108895 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511108913 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511109533 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1511112221 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511113107 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1511113366 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1511114260 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511114679 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:490:8531:5a2a:5f15 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511114774 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:24f3:5955:9ea9:df70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511114833 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511114865 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511116245 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:dd9c:30ee:76a4:a0a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511116863 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511117009 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511118209 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511118224 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511118250 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f1a3:dcf6:74f2:a581 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511118358 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511118383 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511118525 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f1a3:dcf6:74f2:a581 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511118991 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511119120 0 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1511119822 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwcentgfqxddjtsq JOIN :#esoteric < 1511119958 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511120081 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511120311 0 :wob_jonas!b03f183c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.60 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1511120392 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any example ZX Spectrum screen files? I found a FTP but I cannot login < 1511120580 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, simply changing the URL from FTP to HTTP allowed it to work. < 1511120607 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.174.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511120607 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.174.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511120607 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511122820 0 :wob_jonas!b03f191e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511122826 0 :wob_jonas!b03f191e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.30 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511122932 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511123669 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn motley < 1511123670 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "motley" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1511123670 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :motley < 1511123670 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: consisting of a haphazard assortment of different kinds; < 1511123670 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "an arrangement of assorted spring flowers"; "assorted < 1511123670 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : sizes"; "miscellaneous accessories"; "a mixed program of < 1511123672 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[26 @more lines] < 1511124329 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53388&oldid=53385 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+73) 10Computation class < 1511124406 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does HexChat think my web browser is Pluma? < 1511126069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511127013 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1511129724 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT : < 1511131083 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511131327 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511131539 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511131899 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511132452 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subset of lambda calculus in which parentheses are disallowed wouldn't be able to express every function that LC itself could, right? < 1511132466 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I'm asking, to be honest. < 1511132588 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511132596 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: we experimented with that a while back < 1511132602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even allowing a few combinators it's hard to make it work < 1511132627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, if you're allowing arbitrary (unparenthesized) lambdas, it's a bit of a different problem < 1511132653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.westpoint.edu/eecs/SiteAssets/SitePages/Faculty%20Publication%20Documents/Okasaki/jfp03flat.pdf < 1511132659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, come to think of it, isn't that equivalent to beta-reduced form? < 1511133478 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511133639 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511134494 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511135139 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511135391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511135745 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511136003 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1511136018 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511136289 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1511136557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellopia < 1511136631 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? moth < 1511136632 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moths are the main ingredient of mothballs. < 1511136639 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mothology < 1511136640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mothology is the study of moths, myths and mirths. < 1511136971 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that pronounced with a non-rhotic accent? < 1511137146 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd mothology//s.myths.&, mouths,. < 1511137149 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mothology//Mothology is the study of moths, myths, mouths, and mirths. < 1511137874 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a concept I had in mind was a lambda calculus based language in which there is both an "application" operator (e.g. f:x) and a "reverse application" operator (e.g. x;f), which would both be left-associative. < 1511137930 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511137992 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin x & cos < 1511137994 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : cos (sin x) < 1511138007 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin x & cos & tan < 1511138009 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : sin (cos (sin x)) / cos (cos (sin x)) < 1511138016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1511138099 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does haskell now trig identities? < 1511138120 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :know < 1511138222 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only obvious ones, it seem < 1511138232 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(definitional ones) < 1511140639 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511140782 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511140859 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511141097 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511142742 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello, doesthiswork. < 1511142758 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloesthiswork. < 1511142895 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1511143179 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello wasntheresomething < 1511143180 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ello: not found < 1511143185 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ello wasntheresomething < 1511143192 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1511143220 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*ell* < 1511143221 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/dontaskdonttelllist \ bin/don'taskdon'ttelllist \ bin/hello \ bin/hello-world-in-any-language \ bin/tell \ bin/wellcome < 1511143261 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading an operating systems text book today and it was talking a lot about resource allocation. But instead of a proper capitalistic system they were suggesting a command economy < 1511144641 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511147775 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is roger9 < 1511149088 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-077-168-182.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511149181 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511149184 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-098-100.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511149498 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1511149521 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-077-168-182.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511150736 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.238.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511150736 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.238.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511150736 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511153578 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511153732 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1511153816 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511154196 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511154202 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1511154323 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds a goat
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ACTION sets variable to null
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ACTION deletes function in javascript
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ACTION executes moonythedwarf
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ACTION ()=>{delete function}
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ACTION recreates itself
< 1511154495 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you, deconstructors! < 1511154505 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola cabraabajo < 1511154523 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, it works. < 1511154571 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: its broken < 1511154627 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, function, freebsd dev? Neat-o. < 1511154635 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downgoat: welcome to #esoteric where we have highly productive conversations < 1511154642 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1511154648 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf: ty < 1511154660 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine you hate nullpointers. :P < 1511154681 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :love them. null is favorite value < 1511154715 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb inserting null pointer bugs into freebsd kernel < 1511154954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53389&oldid=53386 5* 03Null 5* (+130) 10 < 1511155690 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program to read ZX Spectrum pictures and the files titled "UNICORN" in http://zxart.ee/eng/graphics/database/pictureType:timexhr/ seem to have an incorrect mode byte, although the other files listed there work. All of the standard 6912 files also work, and so do the Timex 8x1 files. < 1511155704 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that my fault? < 1511159265 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511159482 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511159957 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to leave this here https://asciinema.org/a/NBmDJXz65O7ljweD1jK0haUD4 < 1511160469 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511160927 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511160929 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511161030 0 :Downgoat!49bd34df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.189.52.223 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1511161504 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511161659 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1511161823 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511161832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511162265 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511162292 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511163070 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOHOO I made it into the top 25! < 1511163157 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twenty-fifth place isn't winning. < 1511163203 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is still a better achievement than last place, unless, it is the last place.) < 1511165065 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you end up 25th out of 25 at the World Something Championship, you can write "ranked 25th at the World Something Championship" on your resumé < 1511165080 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still an achievement (at least you showed up to the championship) < 1511165281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH < 1511165989 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xwcentgfqxddjtsq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511171090 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511172520 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make championships myself < 1511176922 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-faknthcqzormnbuk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511177238 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it count if it was the world championships of a friend's pong game written in java? < 1511177491 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1511177496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you jam this generals jam < 1511177527 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :this what when how? < 1511177878 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gues not. < 1511178171 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511178841 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511179914 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: also some championships aren't open, they have qualifiers, so getting past the qualifiers is still an achievement. < 1511179930 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1511180195 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511180208 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511180236 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511180236 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511180258 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511181165 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511182101 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511185180 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511186251 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511186322 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized that M:tG is like twice as old now as it was when I first met it, and they're making new cards in an increasingly faster rate. This must be why I can't follow all the cards they're making and why it seems like the game has changed a lot. < 1511186662 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didnt even try to play it because i realised that im too lazy to code the effect of each card in a simulator. (and i dont play games that i cant somehow simulate) < 1511186963 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511189120 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511189488 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1511190830 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511191030 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511191295 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511191426 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511192082 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511192829 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511194030 0 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-145-132-215.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511194399 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511196541 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:a:d288:b2ca:3c7f QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511196766 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also can't follow all of the cards they are making but I do always follow changes to the Comprehensive Rules. < 1511197705 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511199711 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511200108 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511200137 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-faknthcqzormnbuk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511201294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511201294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1511201294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511201519 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511201546 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511204248 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented a brainfuck interpreter in XTW, which should proof it's turing complete. https://github.com/zserik/zxtw/blob/master/examples/bf.xtw < 1511204403 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not perfect, because it uses mapping functions to convert between 'single character' I/O-strings and internal integers < 1511204486 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: what happens if you /do/ start a line with a colon in TEWNLSWAC < 1511204489 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1511204796 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Zzo38/Untitled 114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53390 5* 03Ais523 5* (+313) 10name < 1511204810 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to imagine it would be a syntax error < 1511204842 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it's called out in the name implies to me that it should be more dramatic than a regular syntax error < 1511204942 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, currently it does nothing more that raising a syntax error, yes < 1511205024 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name is just a parody of TEWELSWAC, because it removes the restriction the each command needs a colon before it. < 1511205325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1511205349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53391&oldid=53138 5* 03Zseri 5* (+129) 10Turing-complete < 1511205633 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511205762 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511206514 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1511207993 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511208511 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511208994 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511209069 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This host-augment mechanic seems totally unworthy of Unstable, because the whole mechanic could be done in black-bordered land. With the meld rules already in place, it would need only like a page of very simple extra rules. < 1511209092 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no un-land strangeness like you'd expect from a major feature of an un-set. < 1511209134 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you could word it differently to make it fit into the rules < 1511209137 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, some of the rest of the cards Unstable brings are certainly silver-border land stuff, sure. But augment seems to be one of the main mechanics. < 1511209145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a keyword action on hosts that happens when they ETB and can also be triggered by other things < 1511209153 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then have augments trigger the same keyword action when their triggers happen < 1511209165 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even without working differently it could work with some Comprehensive Rules support. < 1511209179 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it leads to a lot of broken invariants or contradictory situations. < 1511209201 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not much weirder than bestow, really < 1511209305 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need a few rules to handle some things, like how putting the augment to play is treated by certain replacements or triggers that care about moving objects, about what layer and timestamp the augment overwriting the characteristics of the host is at and which parts of it count as abilities or even characteristic-defining abilities. < 1511209314 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how it combines with copy effects. < 1511209337 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think putting the augment into play is the only tricky part. < 1511209355 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it certainly needs like a page of new rules, but it's not something that could be done. < 1511209474 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main tricky thing in augments is that they act like auras but aren't < 1511209491 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, half-squirrel half-pony has me worried from a balance point of view < 1511209507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only two cards, costing 2GW, and goes infinite with any ETB effect < 1511209522 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, definitely don't act like auras. the complete resulting hybrid should be copiable by a Clone as is IMO. < 1511209610 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzetznwndepygews JOIN :#esoteric < 1511209626 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... yes, that sounds sort of like a Kiki-Jiki loop < 1511209640 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worrying < 1511210043 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And contraptions don't seem much more silver-bordered than conspiracies and schemes either. < 1511210047 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contraptions seem it could work, but only as non-traditional cards and not in a "main" set. < 1511210051 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of copycat < 1511210066 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think contraptions are only silver-bordered because they're excessively complex < 1511210067 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1511210076 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which kind-of makes sense for something named "contraptions") < 1511210108 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1511210116 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, maybe they just can't put many non-black-bordered effects to cards at low rarities, because people simply wouldn't be able to play games because of all the rules questions < 1511210248 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they reserve the silver-bordered effects to rares and a few uncommons, like Dr. Julius Jumblemorph and Mary O'Kill, as well as do physical dexterity effects at uncommon like the chaos orb cards that Unstable has. < 1511210295 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they have anything relating to 100.6b? < 1511210308 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, at least Unstable uses dice rolling instead of coin flipping. I hate flipping coins. < 1511210352 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511210429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't seen anything relating to that yet < 1511210439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, there's a card Rules Lawyer which makes you and your permanents immune to state-based actions < 1511210451 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really fundamental thing to change the behaviour of < 1511210460 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, chapter 1 rules remind me. Did you notice that if you are pulled into a game by Kindslaver, then according to comp rules, you can't resign, so there's no easy rules-satisfying way to get away from the game even if you don't want to play. < 1511210491 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, since you're not a player, no effects known force you to do any manual dexterity stuff. < 1511210497 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: if you just leave the game, wouldn't that cause the player whose turn it is to incur slow play penalties? < 1511210521 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, given that you're in control of the turn, maybe you incur the penalty? < 1511210525 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. < 1511210705 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511210854 0 :irccafe!~irccafe@c-68-56-140-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511210908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also prefer dice instead of flip coins, if they are dice with six or more sides (dice with only four sides doesn't work so well). < 1511211012 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think leaving the game even if you do not want to (or do not know how to) play game due to Kindslaver is going to be beyond the scope of the game rules anyways; of course you can leave anyways, although you will be disqualified. It doesn't matter, since you were not qualified anyways. It is still unclear what is happen if you do leave, though, since you aren't one of the players. < 1511211030 0 :irccafe!~irccafe@c-68-56-140-102.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511211040 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the Unstable card names "Sacrifice Play" and "Target Minotaur" are because of some effect in Unstable that often cares about such names in practice, like a gotcha effect? < 1511211075 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, although I invented a card once named "Target Wizard" which has ambiguous text. < 1511211077 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure you can leave, but what happens to the game state then? < 1511211090 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes, that is the question. It seem impossible to answer. < 1511211106 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, it is Un-cards, so questions that are impossible to answer will occasionally come up.) < 1511211106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: gotcha is very unlikely to come back < 1511211116 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Mark Rosewater considers it the largest design mistake ever < 1511211134 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, not gotcha in particular, but some other effect that cares about words < 1511211152 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511211393 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1511211638 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511211963 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. An esoteric keyboard layout could have a 'move' button as well as 'delete' and 'insert'. < 1511212085 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: um, some programs do have a move button. < 1511212190 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1511212194 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: keyboard layoutb < 1511212206 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard layout* < 1511212235 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I was referring to keys. < 1511212277 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but they do use some key (say F2 or F7) to move stuff < 1511212290 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Troo. < 1511212622 0 :irccafe!~irccafe@186.194.185.35.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511213205 0 :irccafe!~irccafe@186.194.185.35.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511213363 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1843@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.67 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1511213423 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511213584 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511213654 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1511214137 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511214204 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1511214267 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511215060 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1511215069 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511215344 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1511215603 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I improved the XTW interpreter to ease conversion between int<->char. < 1511215957 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1511215961 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DBE0.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511216314 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511217128 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511217806 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511217919 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511218452 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511218809 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511218884 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1511218977 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511219097 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1511219225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511219697 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511220890 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511221937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511223428 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511223485 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511224775 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511225798 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:7820:deca:40bd:c850 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511226953 0 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511227071 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511227595 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511228293 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511228389 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511228527 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511229130 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511229142 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511229633 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511230968 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511231206 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511231208 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511231226 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511232186 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511233311 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511233611 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511233611 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511233611 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511233614 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511233636 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511233637 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511233637 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511233639 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511234531 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511234826 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511234828 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511234846 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511234848 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511235672 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511235672 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511235672 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511235675 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511235692 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511235692 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511235692 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511235693 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511235732 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511235732 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.233.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511235732 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511236568 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome garit < 1511236571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02garit: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1511236653 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im here not for languages as is, but for rare questions that i might have that normal people can't answer < 1511236730 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix your connection, you're parting and rejoining too much. < 1511236912 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a problem that network killed me for too many channels, i fixed that (removed some channels from autojoin). Should he within 3 disconnects per day or less now < 1511237748 0 :watered!~water@157.49.14.182 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511240087 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PART #esoteric :"Found 1 in /dev/zero" < 1511240092 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511245362 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511245363 0 :MDead!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511245382 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511246207 0 :watered!~water@157.49.14.182 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511246568 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511247653 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511248606 0 :variable!?@? NICK :constant < 1511249247 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511249565 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511249587 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511252683 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzetznwndepygews QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511253861 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511254214 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511254560 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511254791 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511254862 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1511256424 0 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1511256676 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1511258333 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511259084 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511260259 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511260533 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE69.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511261011 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511261083 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT : < 1511266129 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511266250 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511267812 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511268276 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE69.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511268836 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1511268913 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511269114 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511272127 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511272548 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511272782 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511272832 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511274010 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511274206 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE69.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511276380 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511276883 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1511276935 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511277334 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isqeahugcvqhceen JOIN :#esoteric < 1511277468 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511277984 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511279975 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511280245 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lawnmower-goat? < 1511280813 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baah. < 1511283617 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511283708 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511283709 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511285011 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511285025 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE69.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/YP8m4HbyzhI < 1511286540 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511286553 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE69.versanet.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511286590 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE69.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511287135 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511287438 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511288268 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1511288271 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511288300 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511288702 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isqeahugcvqhceen QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511289302 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511289936 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511290728 0 :LKoen_!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511291111 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:7820:deca:40bd:c850 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511291920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511291920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1511291920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511292910 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1511292928 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511299066 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511301101 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511301727 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511301765 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1511301823 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511302068 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511302561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DMC 5* 10New user account < 1511302737 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511303065 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1511303105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53392&oldid=53389 5* 03DMC 5* (+436) 10 < 1511303287 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53393&oldid=53392 5* 03DMC 5* (+14) 10 < 1511303295 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511303780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53394&oldid=53393 5* 03DMC 5* (+67) 10 < 1511304158 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE69.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511304780 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:9c21:c44b:240c:ed3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511305175 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511305272 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511305603 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511306082 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511306488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511306530 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511309333 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1511309352 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like i have no work tmrw < 1511309376 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :last minute cancellations < 1511309493 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1511309501 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck :/ < 1511309555 0 :iovoid!?@? NICK :iovoid_ < 1511309562 0 :iovoid_!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1511309980 0 :sawyerschumacher!~sschumac@216.38.142.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511310157 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about you? < 1511310597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511310669 0 :sawyerschumacher!~sschumac@216.38.142.14 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1511310862 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1511310862 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 212350Z 10011KT CAVOK M10/M14 Q1011 RMK WIND 670FT 11007KT < 1511310865 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr < 1511310910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1511310911 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... well, I understand the 'WIND' bit. And maybe the '670FT' bit. < 1511310919 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloerjan. < 1511310928 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellørjan. < 1511310940 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 212350Z bit is date and time < 1511310951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Z=UTC) < 1511310992 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M10/ is temperature, /M14 is dew point temperature (afaiu if they're close it's humid.) < 1511311005 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is pretty vague to me as well. < 1511311019 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1511311021 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(herroger9) < 1511311046 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ooh, nice one) < 1511311061 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1511311063 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relloger9! < 1511311085 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am worked. I hate bureaucracy :D < 1511311105 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bureaucracy < 1511311107 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bureaucracy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511311180 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a political system in which squirrels rule the nation, and burrow (aka bureau) their nuts. < 1511311334 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511311349 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511311434 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`# Stolen from Roger9//`learn Bureaucracy (from French bureau, "burrow") is a political system in which squirrels rule the nation, and burrow their nuts. < 1511311437 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bureaucracy': Bureaucracy (from French bureau, "burrow") is a political system in which squirrels rule the nation, and burrow their nuts. < 1511311459 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol. < 1511311857 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1511311858 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 220000Z 15005KT 15SM SCT160 BKN240 05/M02 A2978 RMK AC4CI2 SLP087 < 1511311863 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely warm today. < 1511311947 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: where is your nearest airport? < 1511312152 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I have no idea. < 1511312282 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no airports at all where you live? < 1511312290 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or too many? < 1511312955 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not that into airports to be honest. < 1511313098 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511313317 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1511313317 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 220050Z AUTO 23015KT 9999 BKN019 14/10 Q1004 < 1511313332 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said something about strangely warm? < 1511313348 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're saying it's going to be 16 tomorrow. < 1511313365 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it'll go back to normal.) < 1511313613 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it's about -10 now but will go up to nearly +10 in a couple days < 1511313803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak < 1511313803 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 220053Z 31005KT 10SM FEW100 BKN180 17/13 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP186 T01670133 < 1511314119 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im at wi < 1511314140 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :work and demoli is streaming :( < 1511314368 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf. you and your tropical weather :P < 1511314376 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what's a demoli? < 1511314392 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ksan < 1511314392 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSAN 220051Z 33004KT 10SM FEW200 FEW250 24/04 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP162 T02390044 $ < 1511314400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar llbg < 1511314401 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLBG 220120Z 27013KT 9999 BKN045 17/07 Q1015 TEMPO -RA BKN030 < 1511314447 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you do you saint tropez? < 1511314447 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i guess, but you probably get banned for behaving like an asshole, and not for anything else < 1511314633 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop being coherent, it's weird. < 1511314633 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bindings from other programs? i have fnord) gold. :) < 1511314639 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's much better. < 1511314770 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :9😸 < 1511314772 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fnord > 9* < 1511314882 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello, APHic. < 1511314909 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gesundheit. < 1511315236 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrbqdhkrrwqbjkwy JOIN :#esoteric < 1511316792 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :demoli is the best psychonauts speedrunner < 1511316874 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511316878 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what sort of non-asshole behaviour would typically be considered banworthy
< 1511316896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Psychonauts speed runs interesting? < 1511316909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they get all the figments? < 1511316923 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they do sometimes. < 1511317181 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511317465 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banworthy from where? < 1511317542 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ban doesthiswork1 What a stupid question < 1511317958 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% does < 1511317966 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork1: places in general < 1511317967 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any% is awesome < 1511317975 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any% no flying < 1511317988 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, this is what 100% speedruns are normally for < 1511317991 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1511317993 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making sure you collect everything collectable < 1511317999 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any% lets you collect any proportion of it < 1511318001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently for Psychonauts it's 101% speed runs. < 1511318018 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some games that's 0% but in many games, collecting some proportion allows you to go faster) < 1511318027 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call it 100% or rank 101 < 1511318044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This trick requires levitation. While in midair, press and hold 'Float' (default: Shift) to begin floating. Now, while still holding Float, rapidly alternate pressing 'Jump' (default: Spacebar) and the psi power key that you assigned levitate to (typically this is the 3rd slot). If you alternate fast enough, Raz will begin to rise slowly. This can be repeated indefinetly to reach any height, and skip ma < 1511318044 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are even a few games where any% = 100%, typically because the reward for collecting everything is so good it makes the rest of the game considerably faster < 1511318050 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ny parts of the game. If you alter your cadence, you can also use it to cover horizontal distance quickly." < 1511318053 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scow. < 1511318077 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When is Psychonauts 2 coming out? < 1511318081 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it doesnt work on xbox or with vsync on < 1511318089 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :late 2018 < 1511318097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really believe that? < 1511318126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would bet against it. < 1511318254 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1511318268 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that legal in the US? < 1511318298 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have been meeting all their milestones so far. i think wed know in advance if it werent going to happen < 1511318822 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SONG CHICKEN < 1511318930 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1511318986 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much would you pay for a contract that paid $100 if they release it on or before Dec 2019? < 1511320200 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511324350 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much are you offering for the option to purchase that contract for $50 on Jan 2020? < 1511324442 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds needlessly complicated. < 1511324496 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its under $49 I'll buy it < 1511325876 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pwphjypmudkxbcbi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511326220 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sounds a bit derivative < 1511326792 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jcsbeoutgyymtfot JOIN :#esoteric < 1511329440 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511331274 0 :friendlyGoat!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511332363 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511333109 0 :friendlyGoat!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric : < 1511333136 0 :friendlyGoat!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511333141 0 :friendlyGoat!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric : < 1511333261 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511333945 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511334714 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511334911 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511336321 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511338517 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511338548 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511340379 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is going on with all the /me? < 1511340426 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1511340442 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why did this show up in here * Sigyn sets modes [#freenode +qz $~a] < 1511340451 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my IRC client is bugging out and mixing up channels??? < 1511340467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it. < 1511340493 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well znc or hexchat might be messing up < 1511340542 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm something is very broken. Nothing happens on /join or /part of various channels < 1511340611 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very strange < 1511340644 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :restarted the IRC client, lets see if it helps < 1511343266 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511343321 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511343387 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:496c:9af4:1022:ad79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511343402 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrbqdhkrrwqbjkwy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511344859 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1511344937 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53395&oldid=53388 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-16) 10Now the name is given. Will move < 1511344964 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Zzo38 5* 10moved [[02User:Zzo38/Untitled 110]] to [[Crement]]: Named by [[User:Ais523]] < 1511344965 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Zzo38 5* 10moved [[02User talk:Zzo38/Untitled 110]] to [[Talk:Crement]]: Named by [[User:Ais523]] < 1511346071 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511346204 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:496c:9af4:1022:ad79 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511347690 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:51dc:bcee:7d4c:5a3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511350044 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:51dc:bcee:7d4c:5a3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511354451 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511355684 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511356388 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In M:tG, is the name of the "By Gnome Means" card https://media.wizards.com/2017/ust/en_xqPx77FNyw.png supposed to be something like Gnome Ann https://www.xkcd.com/1704/ ? < 1511359232 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511361343 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511361364 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1511363759 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511364624 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53400&oldid=53391 5* 03Zseri 5* (+251) 10+local variables < 1511365160 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ae29:3aff:fee8:b414 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511365161 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ae29:3aff:fee8:b414 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511365167 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a42f:3245:58cd:8b2a JOIN :#esoteric < 1511365831 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a42f:3245:58cd:8b2a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511366890 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added support for local variables to XTW, because it was too complex to simulate them using nested objects. < 1511366902 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stacks. < 1511367020 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which are simulated using nested objects and local vars are then simulated using objects which save the state of every local var, which is complex, error-prone and confusing) < 1511368026 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: A concept I had in mind was 'first-class scopes': a scope would have a parent, map variable names to variable values, and the code would currently be running in the 'current scope'. < 1511368329 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :This first-class implementation would make supporting closures much easier. A function would have a parent scope (that refers to the current scope when the function was created), a list of parameters, and a block of code. The code would be run in a new scope, whose parent would be the function's creator scope, and would match the parameters to their arguments (along with maybe a return keyword to match to the caller's continuation). < 1511368354 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closures would simply be functions which access variables in their creator scope. < 1511368546 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511369149 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice idea < 1511369323 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could integrate this concept in XTW by mapping ::l::__ to the parent scope and so on like ::l::__::.. < 1511369410 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to keep track of special variables in the interpreter (in the symbol table, which maps variable name to numbers and uses them at runtime) < 1511369859 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1511369884 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511369888 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1511372060 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fekfqfzhzovvdkbv JOIN :#esoteric < 1511372338 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that one level (::l::__::var) is enough < 1511373358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511373358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1511373358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511373465 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511373511 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511373544 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511373677 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1511374137 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511374420 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511374644 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I resolve parent namespaces recursively < 1511374715 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE : I don't implement first-class scopes, but emulate that with dynamic resolved namespaces. < 1511374839 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1511375042 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511375146 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511375506 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :done. https://github.com/zserik/zxtw/blob/master/examples/lclparent.xtw (output: before: 1\nafter: 2\n) < 1511375795 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to emulate first-class scopes with dynamic namespace with resolving them partly at startup-time (before the interpreter builds the bytecode) and the rest done at runtime (could be done at startup-time too, I would just need to cache how many scopes to skip) < 1511375905 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of emulating first-class scopes with compose at scope-push and decompose at scope-pop (with dereferencing) < 1511375970 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :namespaces, as the man said, are one honking great idea < 1511376767 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :One disadvantage of the interpreter is that it suppports functions only at global scope (not inside a namespace) but a function name prefixed with a namespace. It supports namespace at global scope and inside functions < 1511378012 0 :Cale_!~cale@CPEd8eb97edd8f0-CM0026f39a59ad.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511378061 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:9c21:c44b:240c:ed3 QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1511378300 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d174:b99a:2ef2:31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511378303 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d174:b99a:2ef2:31 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511381991 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511382019 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511383373 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1511383375 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D9D5.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511383402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511383764 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511383837 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511383908 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello, ais523. Having trouble with your connection or somethin'? < 1511383933 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically always have trouble with my connection < 1511383942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why my default quit message apologises for it < 1511383949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the rare cases where it's actually working, I override it manually) < 1511383961 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1511383971 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) < 1511384198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511384271 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511384667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: the weather here tonight is terrible (some amount of rain, and a huge amount of wind); that might have something to do with the connection's unreliability < 1511384679 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah. < 1511384827 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty bad even normally though < 1511385241 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511385263 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1511385684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511387741 0 :Cale_!~cale@CPEd8eb97edd8f0-CM0026f39a59ad.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511388199 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511388217 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511388233 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1511388325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_jonas < 1511388330 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks like neither git nor mercurial currently supports partial checkouts, as in cloning parts of a large repository selected by pathnames without having to store the rest of the data on my disk or transfering it through hard disk. Svn supports this, although there are some limitations. < 1511388338 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a very important feature to me. < 1511388343 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it turns out Half-Squirrel Half-Pony actually got errata < 1511388363 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you happen to know that git or mercurial has gained ability to do this since I heard these info, then PLEASE tell me. < 1511388368 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't think the git/mercurial storage model is intended for repositories where that feature would be useful < 1511388391 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a little about how a git repo works, and I'm quite sure that it should be possible to support this, it's just that the commands don't currently implement it. < 1511388393 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it happens I'm currently working on a new VCS (scapegoat-inspired but less innovative and thus more likely to be useful/used in practice) < 1511388406 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, there'd be no way to create a new commit < 1511388413 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the hash of that commit would involve the hash of all the files in other directories < 1511388423 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you don't have because you didn't check it out < 1511388444 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but the hash of a tree is computed from just the hash of tree and file objects it contains < 1511388487 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if I have a tree where some children aren't stored locally, their *hashes* would still be stored locally, so I can create a new version of that tree by copying those hashes (and names), and recompute the new hash for it < 1511388495 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is for git, I don't know about mercurial < 1511388497 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the big idea behind scapegoat anyway < 1511388512 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511388528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't care about vcs at all back when it was a thing but i've learned git since < 1511388554 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: basically, the /original/ big idea was that each line would have a record of where it came from, meaning that merges could be implemented safely with less context in the files themselves < 1511388556 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I still think it is likely possible to extend svn to a distributed vcs, and this would have some advantages: (1) it could be compatible with existing svn servers and repositories, that is, I could pull from a remote repo without that repo knowing anything about the distributed extension, < 1511388558 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and likewise, unsafe merges could easily be detected) < 1511388575 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: how would you handle commit numbers? < 1511388583 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) svn already handles the storage of objects and delta compression for you, which you can definitely reuse, and you can probably resuse its diff and merge tools as well < 1511388643 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought svn was famously bad at merging? or was that a different VCS? < 1511388673 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was older versions of svn < 1511388673 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: versions before 1.5 or 1.6 or something < 1511388673 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they solved it since < 1511388680 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1511388736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the problem I've come up across, which is leading me to think a new VCS is really needed < 1511388748 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a scenario where two related forks of a project exist that want to share some code, but not all of it < 1511388760 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically I'd have branches in the local repo that track the remote repo, and you can't commit into them directly, just like in git. the extension would pull into them, and store the correspondence with remote objects (with path and version number in remote repo), technically stored in svn properties < 1511388764 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is obviously the case in the whole NetHack variants situation, but I can't imagine that's the only place where it happens) < 1511388784 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: so you're basically trying to use svn branches like git branches, which are like git remotes? < 1511388793 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem completely nonviable < 1511388842 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: svn already lets you have a read-only mirror or a dump-restore of a repository with only parts of the repo included, and can omit commits that don't modify the parts kept, thus skewing commit numbers. it has tools for this. what it can't do is pushing back, which I admit is a MUCH harder problem. < 1511388848 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511388910 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… in the VCS I'm working on, you could check out a single directory but only if no commits had been made to that directory and to a file outside that directory at the same time < 1511388923 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. the idea behind that is that this way you can use such a branch for any read-only operation that svn already supports, such as childing or merging from it. the extension would have to map parents and mergeinfo in a tricky way. < 1511388926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that interact with your usecase for checking out a single directory? < 1511388931 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is the reason, incidentally?) < 1511388942 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1511388942 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 222150Z AUTO 20020KT 9999 SCT026 BKN031 15/10 Q0990 TEMPO RA < 1511388956 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGBB < 1511388956 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGBB 222150Z 20020G34KT 160V220 9999 SCT023 SCT043 14/10 Q0983 < 1511388974 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't understand your question < 1511388987 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're having some "G"s as well, even if it's not listed. < 1511388989 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, you want to check out a single directory from a repo < 1511389006 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking why, because that influences what implementation techniques a VCS could use for that < 1511389133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if a VCS supported checking out a single directory but had limitations, would the limitations affect you? < 1511389201 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, they'd affect me. more like I want to clone and fetch a single directory, or more generally any set of objects, from a remote repo, and I want to be able to unfetch (delete local copy) any object, fetch new objects, and modify what will be fetched later (set paths to automatically fetch new children or not). < 1511389209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know that supporting this in full generality is difficult: < 1511389245 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm still interested in what's in this repository? < 1511389258 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's especially difficult if I want to fetch an object that is the parent of an object that was already fetched, because to do that with the svn representation, I have to recreate the local version of all the descendant objects as new vanilla svn objects. < 1511389263 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still possible, but difficult. < 1511389301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by parent/child here? < 1511389376 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in git, every commit has usually one but generally any number of parents, which are earlier versions of the commit. in svn, commits don't have that, but each directory/file version has one (or sometimes zero) parent which is the immediate previous version of that object, and can be at any path as long as it's in an earlier commit, < 1511389411 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zero or more additional objects marked as extra ancestors merged into it. (there's also the restriction that directory and non-directory objects can't be mixed in parental relationship) < 1511389438 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so svn tracks moves or copies of individual files or directories. < 1511389443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "earlier versions of the commit" isn't a way to describe it, really < 1511389446 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know what parent are in git < 1511389462 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wasn't sure that was the terminology you were using < 1511389516 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an svn working tree (checkout) can already be partial, it has local copy of usually just the latest versions of objects, but it can mix-match any local path in the checkout with any path-version in the remote repo, and stores pristine copies of each of those files < 1511389572 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can switch any local path to point to any path-version of the remote repo, set them to automatically check out new files in a checked out directory or not, and update paths to later versions of the same path easily < 1511389616 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's some limitations, some obvious because only directories can have files or directories in them, some apparently just limitation of the programs about what you can modify, and some limitation about subrepositories which are like git modules) < 1511389673 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so anyway, about your main question about why partial checkouts are useful for me < 1511389729 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as long as you're always connected to a single writable central svn server (there can be any number of read-only mirrors, but no read-write ones), you can conveniently use svn to store big files or big directory trees. < 1511389766 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these aren't source code, but dependencies (possibly binary) that you often want to check out together with the rest of the project to build the project, or data, or whatever < 1511389772 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also store multiple projects together < 1511389783 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn partial checkouts make this easy < 1511389793 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511389797 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing multiple projects together is in general a bad idea because there's no obvious advantage over doing it separately < 1511389816 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, what I'm working on /would/ be able to handle that if nobody ever committed to both projects in the same commit < 1511389821 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can replace an entire binary dependency with a new version, such that their difference doesn't compress well, and only the server will have to store older versions < 1511389838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for binary dependencies, would it be OK to store the hashes of all those dependencies? just not download the dependencies themselves? < 1511389857 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want to store multiple projects together because one project can want to pull part of the code of another project, without making full dependency, and then want to merge bugfixes from them < 1511389863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it would be, because the number of files involved is still manageable, it's just the files themselves that are too large < 1511389892 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: often you want to download the big binary dependency, but not all previous versions of that dependency. < 1511389901 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes you only want to download some of the dependencies, because they're big. < 1511389904 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most VCSes can do that already, including git < 1511389912 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, download only the most recent version < 1511389930 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think git can do that only on a full repo. you could try to store deps in git submodules < 1511389930 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I've not read the context here, but we have this thing called https://bitbucket.org/Google/narrowhg that sounded like plausibly relevant. < 1511389959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, git needs the most recent version of each file < 1511389969 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not just that < 1511389991 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but also you can't get full history of some files, but only latest version of other files, within the same git repo < 1511389997 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible, but isn't with current tools < 1511390010 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's just a UI problem I think? < 1511390020 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that the UI doesn't give any easy way to do that < 1511390029 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, which is why I'm asking if git has solved this since < 1511390038 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they've already solved multiple worktrees (checkouts) with only one object storage < 1511390053 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: another thing though is that even without partial checkouts, I would want a distributed version of svn < 1511390069 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the way to go in terms of implementing this would be a lazy repository in which objects are retrieved only when their content is requested, and only directly to the filesystem < 1511390071 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to work online < 1511390079 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it means that no more would be downloaded than actually necessary < 1511390097 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: two things you could do with a distributed version are (a) maintaining a forked project of a project where I never push back because they don't like me, but I can pull newer versions of that original project and merge into mine < 1511390127 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (b) committing revisions locally while I don't have access to the central writable server because no network connection or something < 1511390142 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even committing local branches that I don't want to share until I clean them up < 1511390157 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do all these things in git, < 1511390207 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want svn in particular for that? because the people-who-don't-like-you happen to be using svn and you can't persuade them to change? < 1511390209 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: For your case (a), I was using a thing where I had git and SVN share a checkout. < 1511390209 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they aren't incompatible with pulling from a central server, and in (b) you can push some or all of your commits to the central server later, while each repo has an immutable history < 1511390231 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but git-svn works very well for both those cases < 1511390326 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if I understand correctly, in git-svn the local branches and commits are git branches and commits. I like svn and the way it handles files and renames and stuff, and don't want to lose that. but yes, that's a good point, git-svn may help with some of the model, especially if you already like git < 1511390377 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what git-svn basically does is to create a git remote that mirrors a given branch of an svn repository, I think < 1511390387 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it can also commit to the branch < 1511390393 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you have a linear history < 1511390418 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the git-svn equivalent of git pull is git svn rebase, in order to ensure that the history stays linear; it pulls the remote changes then rebases your local changes on top) < 1511390445 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and it's the commit back part with proper tracking of ancestry and merges that's hard. we already have tools to read-only mirror part of a remote svn repository to a local svn repo. < 1511390577 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the moment you want to push back, you have to figure out how to set all the parent and mergeinfo for the new objects in the remote repo. < 1511390578 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the earlier discussion fork, narrowhg lets you have a shallow copy of all files and a deep history (optionally up to N revisions) of some specific subset of files, though (IIUC) you can't have different depths for the not-entirely-shallow files. < 1511390614 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: let me look at that. can you also have no versions at all of some paths? < 1511390694 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to briefly mention other version control systems. (1) cvs can do partial checkouts, but I think svn can already do anything that cvs can do, and cvs hasn't gained new features for like a decade, so it's safe to discard it except for compatibility, < 1511390702 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I forgot. Maybe it was actually more limited than that, and you actually could only get either files (up to depth N) or no files at all, but not shallow copies of everything. < 1511390748 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: what about rcs? :-P < 1511390757 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) darcs is like developped by some alien race and I didn't understand anything they say about how their vcs works, and (3) fossil now lets you create forks of a read-only repository and merge to it from the remote, sort of like private branches, but I believe it doesn't do partial checkouts, < 1511390763 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has probably been done before, but I'm messing around with a hypothetical language that compiles into BF. < 1511390765 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) I didn't look at bazaar at all. < 1511390811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in RCS you're supposed to work directly on the machine holding the repository, the "check out" operation is more like a locking operation) < 1511390817 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think rcs is something that used to count as a "version control system" back when it was created, but doesn't count as one in the modern sense. or something. < 1511390828 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's a non-concurrent VCS < 1511390837 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, something like that. < 1511390851 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does control versions, it just doesn't control access in any but the crudest way < 1511390869 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have one repo per file, checking out the repo locks the file, then checking the repo back in will unlock the file and record a commit) < 1511390879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, this is probably where the terms checkout/checkin come from < 1511390889 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they make no sense in the context of something like cvs or git < 1511390976 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and "commit" is cleverly chosen so that the "cvs ci" abbreviated command would sound like either "commit" or "checkin", depending on whether you're a new cvs user or someone used to rcs < 1511390996 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cvs was originally designed as a better rcs, but later got important in itself, < 1511391025 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how svn was originally a better cvs, but these days it develops on its own without regard to cvs, < 1511391046 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both rcs and cvs are probably not developed further with new features, and cvs hasn't even had a new release for several years < 1511391096 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, no new release for several years is fine for a mature tool if there aren't important bugs, I had no problem with no how the 7z compressor utility with windows GUI hasn't had a new release for like six years < 1511391165 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so wait, you said you're developing a new version control system that isn't scapegoat. do you wish to tell a bit more about this? < 1511391195 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you only say you're planning this new system? < 1511391218 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently at the stage of a) planning, b) learning enough git internals to be able to write an importer < 1511391239 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to use git as the backend in order to get a lot of functionality for free and take advantage of things like public git hosting sitse < 1511391241 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sites < 1511391252 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because git was intended to be a VCS backend rather than a VCS itself < 1511391301 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Half-Squirrel Half-Pony actually got errata" wait what? I haven't read the setFAQ yet < 1511391330 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really disappointed in it < 1511391352 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because with many cards, how they're meant to work, and how the FAQ says they work, is different from what you'd assume based on the wording of the card < 1511391368 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a big departure from the "cards mean what they say" that you normally get on black-bordered cards < 1511391389 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the templating team ran away from the set < 1511391436 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my take on that is that MaRo is really bad at rules, he should never have been allowed to be even the un-rules manager, and we should just ignore everything he says about un-rulings and make up our own rules that make sense < 1511391460 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1511391473 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even for unhinged, many of his rulings make no sense. for unstable, there's much more cards that would work in black-bordered, and he's publishing a lot of rulings about them. < 1511391477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says something that the half-squirrel half-pony errata was done by eli shiffrin (i.e. the /real/ rules manager) < 1511391486 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read them for flavor, but I'll not try to take them as meaningful rulings. < 1511391504 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says he was really surprised that the errata actually works in black border, because it inspects a property of the card that no current card inspects < 1511391540 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where's this errata? is it in MaRo's FAQ? < 1511391551 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere else? < 1511391553 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, but the metadiscussion about it happened on the Reddit thread about the FAQ < 1511391565 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly about the erratum itself < 1511391588 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, the discussion for future errata used to happen in the old-style web forum that wizards maintained, until they closed it < 1511391593 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even one comp rules modification that I promoted < 1511391599 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/promoted/prompted/ < 1511391698 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511391794 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reading article) WHAT? that's not even what the card says. < 1511391916 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: which card in particular? < 1511391931 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! So those red creatures on the packaging are beebles! < 1511391956 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't recognize them. Beebles used to be of a more rounded shape and less red. < 1511391967 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Better The One < 1511392000 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ordered a supervillian laptop < 1511392042 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren\ < 1511392052 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a supervillian laptop mean? < 1511392073 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9175.html < 1511392112 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :means it will probably double as a haridryer < 1511392115 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: hmm, which part of Better Than One surprised you? the fact that you have a shared life total? < 1511392141 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the fact that you get attacked as a team, probably < 1511392144 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that, and that it uses the rules for two-headed giant in general, not the default rules < 1511392150 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the card makes it look more like traditional multiplayer than 2HG < 1511392198 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: mind you, I ordered a new copy of my heavy clicky keyboard (after ruining mine by spilling tea on it), and it's branded "Demon King". not quite a "supervillian", but still an antagonist. < 1511392235 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1511392274 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the augment and especially the contraption rules are also a bit strange, but at least there there's clearly a new keyword or supertype where the rules have to be decided, not just a plain card where you don't expect strange rules < 1511392302 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the functional reprints of black-bordered cards are also surprising < 1511392311 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the card costing 4GG with trample and no other abilities < 1511392333 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a card like that need a silver border? < 1511392353 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC, it doesn't have any silly stuff on its typeline or the like, either) < 1511392576 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wob_jonas that keyboard doesn't glow < 1511392589 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I don't want a glowing one < 1511392599 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the point of a glowing keyboard < 1511392635 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You can indicate the status of different things (like passing builds) by differently glowing keys. < 1511392654 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Sager == Clevo, right? < 1511392657 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the whole set released now? < 1511392670 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have a monitor for indicating things < 1511392693 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the most obvious reason for glowing keys for me would be to easily place my hands on the keyboard when I'm working in near-total darkness < 1511392696 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm looking at the monitor a lot, but not much at the keyboard < 1511392698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the whole set is revealed now < 1511392705 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to look at what it says < 1511392715 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are indents on the F and J (and numpad 5) on most keyboards but they're often very subtle and hard to find < 1511392753 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so normally I either switch to a window with a white background, getting more illumination from the screen, or else move to a text boxt that accepts input and experimentally type a few letters to determine where my hands are < 1511392764 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't want to work in near-total darkness, because it hurts my eyes to look at a screen when the environment is too dark. I know there are people who this doesn't bother. < 1511392769 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an illuminated keyboard would be a more direct fix to the problem < 1511392785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: eyestrains caused by looking at something that's dimmer / harder to make out than the surrounding environment < 1511392798 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: both < 1511392801 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so darkness around the computer should in theory be the optimum for avoiding eyestrain < 1511392816 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eyes are also hurt by focusing continuously at the same range for a long period of time < 1511392821 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's not true. the problem is that if the environment is dark, your pupils extend too much < 1511392833 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the only thing you can see is your nearby screen, you have problems with that < 1511392838 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, I try to make the screen very dark too < 1511392845 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimum brightness and black backgrounds almost everywhere < 1511392998 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. Eager Beaver? how does green get an untap ability that works on any type of permanent? that doesn't make sense color-wise. < 1511393019 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue or rarely white can get that ability, green shouldn't < 1511393037 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :green always used to be able to untap, I think? < 1511393042 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1511393047 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is able to untap lands < 1511393047 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in old Magic < 1511393055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they moved away from that into just untapping lands < 1511393055 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is already hard to balance, mind you) < 1511393061 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :example? < 1511393061 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :white can untap creatures, can it untap anything else? < 1511393076 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only creatures, I think < 1511393078 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: can't remember any offhand < 1511393090 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards which mess around with mass untapping tend to be UG nowadays < 1511393096 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the blue high flier a reprint? < 1511393120 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, I don't remember seeing it in the list of functional reprints but I didn't memorise the list in detail < 1511393124 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UG would be fine. but beaver is pure green. < 1511393128 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1511393145 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll search < 1511393187 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dimensions: 16.46" (w) x 11.63" (d) x 1.61" (h) < 1511393190 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1511393205 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even make sense to say which dimension is which? < 1511393218 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, isn't which dimension is which determined by their relative sizes rather than vice versa? < 1511393234 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well it's certainly inferrable < 1511393234 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it can make sense for some types of objects < 1511393254 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones that have fixed elements on a certain side < 1511393269 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even a hypothetical laptop could well have d > w. < 1511393283 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/even/ < 1511393285 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.6 lbs (3.9 kg) < 1511393287 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like a washing machine would have its door on either the front, or the top and open backwards, so it helps to know which is the depth and which is the width < 1511393296 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: similarly with an oven < 1511393303 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/ \/\// < 1511393311 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're assuming that the hinge is on the boundary between the wide and high sides < 1511393325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's any more valid an assumption than that the wide side is longer than the deep side < 1511393341 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think I'm assuming that. < 1511393343 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the distinction between wide and deep here is the orientation of the keyboard, though? < 1511393357 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming width is the axis the spacebar is congruent to. < 1511393363 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1511393380 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a laptop could have a portrait display < 1511393400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of such thing, but it could... < 1511393400 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the hinge doesn't have to be close to the edge. older laptops have a screen narrower than the base part, and a large battery part behind the hinge in the base part. < 1511393414 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least one much-advertised laptop has no hinge at all < 1511393427 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen component is entirely separate from the keyboard component < 1511393448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that helps prevent it breaking, the hinge tends to be the most fragile part of a laptop… < 1511393496 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going to see if anywhere round here sells water at 11:30pm < 1511393500 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1511393506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I'd be home this late, but the water supply is under maintenance < 1511393507 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we know what the mythic vanilla is. tricky. < 1511393525 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what if you had a cube-shaped computer where the top of the cube hinges up to become a square screen < 1511393527 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm at work, and am not sure how easy it'll be to get something to drink < 1511393533 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for now < 1511393535 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511393548 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that even count as a 'laptop' < 1511393568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511393574 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. bye, ais523 < 1511393658 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or wait. suppose instead you just have a cube with a display on one side and a keyboard that slides out of the space under the screen < 1511393675 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that isn't a laptop < 1511393712 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no sliding, but very old "portable" computers in the 80s were mostly big cubes, with most of the space being taken up by a CRT, and there's a keyboard plus floppy drive that extends from below the CRT part < 1511393737 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, before even laptops got LCDs < 1511393783 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think rarely really literally cubical, more rectangular cuboids. < 1511393795 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_Portable_PC_5155_-_Retrosystems_2010.jpg < 1511393803 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this one actually has an ordinary keyboard connected by cable < 1511393817 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, and some of them have the front side slanted < 1511393867 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ibm5100_(2297950254).jpg this I think has a hinged keyboard in fact < 1511393923 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and we've done a full circle, because apparently many people nowadays are agent content to work with such tiny screens, it's just that the rest of the computer got lighter) < 1511393931 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: whoa APL < 1511394069 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. why are Prowling Pangolin and the new Bumbling Pangolin subtyped Beast? isn't wizards using that only for mythical animals, not cards based on real animals? < 1511394174 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :prowling pangolin--the mobile version of Ubuntu 12.04? < 1511394206 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit less precise, but it gets around more < 1511394364 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, still M:tG < 1511394371 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1511394601 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, they made a second card whose name starts with a quotation mark < 1511394978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511395075 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nice! < 1511395086 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knight of the Kitchen Sink is an actually nice silver-bordered card < 1511395102 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one you couldn't do in black border, but also has clean rules < 1511396088 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/7ekwea/un3_vanilla_mythic_infinity_elemental/ < 1511396282 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53401 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+3836) 10This specification is... mostly complete. I think. < 1511396441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53402&oldid=52824 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+171) 10Clearing up a few things. < 1511396518 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53403&oldid=53402 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10 < 1511397115 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gbdjgiaumqmvxjcb QUIT :Quit: EliteBNC free bnc service - http://elitebnc.org - be a part of the Elite! < 1511397297 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511397387 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so the choices here are < 1511397411 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) buy bottled water from a vending machine at an exorbitant price (£1.50 for what I think was a 75cl bottle, not sure on the exact size) < 1511397438 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) use a water fountain that's designed for wob_jonas-style use, or possibly filling up bottles of your own < 1511397473 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it emits water straight downwards; I find the ones that shoot water upwards at an angle much more convenient because you can drink from the stream with your head in a sensible position < 1511397488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) go down to the surrounding city streets and find somewhere which sells water < 1511397508 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I work at a university and thus there is a large concentration of students in the area, c) is fairly easy when it's as early as half past midnight < 1511397608 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(d) origami out a cup from some stray paper, use it to drink from the fountain. < 1511397656 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xccdfgtuighcqsag JOIN :#esoteric < 1511397668 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, Copy paper holds water surprisingly well (I mean, not *well* but still), if you fold it right. < 1511397682 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/C/c/ keep typoing. < 1511397692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or rather insufficiently editing.) < 1511397707 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently in a very communal area because my ID card is malfunctioning / too old and won't let me into any of the me-specific areas < 1511397717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in places like this, they have to charge for things like paper in order to prevent buse < 1511397718 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*abuse < 1511398165 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511398249 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have bottles of my own stored at home normally < 1511398284 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often have a supply of bottles but can't easily transport them < 1511398285 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can fill containers other than water < 1511398286 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1511398289 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :containers other than bottles < 1511398297 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I used step c) and the bottle is still here < 1511398300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can just refill it < 1511398302 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, method c) < 1511398314 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here if water is out for more than about four hours, there's usually a water tank vehicle brought to the street < 1511398347 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511398358 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every supermarket sells bottled water here, so it's just a matter of bringing a six-pack of 1.5 liter bottles home from the closest one usually < 1511398394 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here as well < 1511398398 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered taking some water with me < 1511398405 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but decided to travel light, as I knew there'd be options < 1511398411 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's where I got this bottle of water from, a supermarket) < 1511398414 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can lend you some but you'd have to walk like 1500 kilometers for it < 1511398421 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, it was a bit smaller than the typical supermarket < 1511398439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, by the time I walk 1500km the water supply is likely to be fully working again :-P < 1511398504 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Knight of the Kitchen Sink is my favorite card from Unstable < 1511398606 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Vaporkin < 1511398609 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaporkin \ 1U \ Creature -- Elemental \ 2/1 \ Flying \ Vaporkin can block only creatures with flying. \ THS-C, CN2-C < 1511398621 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Novellamental is a reprint of this under a different name < 1511398638 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so it was a funcitonal reprint < 1511398643 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53404&oldid=53401 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+4) 10 < 1511398666 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. Welking Tern and Tattered Hunter are two cards in modern that are similar but have different creature types < 1511398768 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1 high flying for 1U doesn't seem like that good a card, I assume it's for Limited purposes < 1511398786 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess it's comparable to 2/1 flying for most typical uses < 1511398800 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not very good in constructed < 1511398804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 2/1 doesn't make for a great blocker, especially against ground-based creatures which you can probably block more usefully with something else < 1511398805 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a problem < 1511398845 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1 for W has been playable in some formats in the past < 1511398863 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure! < 1511398899 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elite Vanguard. I even have one of those. < 1511398924 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name savannah lions < 1511398925 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Savannah Lions \ W \ Creature -- Cat \ 2/1 \ A-R, B-R, U-R, RV-R, 4E-R, 8ED-R, 9ED-R, ME4-U < 1511398934 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the original, and was much better back then because its competition was less good < 1511398937 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the old Savannah Lions, and a few newer cards < 1511398939 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1511398949 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can even get a 2/1 for W with advantages < 1511398965 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/1 for 1W seems to be a fairly common line for upside cards nowadays < 1511398970 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a hatebear but more agressive < 1511398978 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it's probably not good enough? < 1511398987 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two mana normally gets you a 3/3 with minor upside if what you want is a combat creature < 1511399591 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511399593 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, you're right, green used to be able to untap creatures in older sets. I didn't know. < 1511399597 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Vitalize < 1511399598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vitalize \ G \ Instant \ Untap all creatures you control. \ WL-C, 6E-C < 1511399619 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have known, such abilities appear in several old cards, and not only very rare ones < 1511399951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53405&oldid=53404 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-12) 10 < 1511400152 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511400303 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18ff@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.255 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1511401220 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53406&oldid=53405 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-4) 10 < 1511401332 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53407&oldid=53406 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-30) 10 < 1511401455 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hellochaf. just watched the pumpkin pie. < 1511401519 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1511401707 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511402069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53408&oldid=53407 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+325) 10Added pointer arithmetic. < 1511402085 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53409&oldid=53408 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-1) 10 < 1511402126 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53410&oldid=53409 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-1) 10 < 1511402406 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511402437 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53411&oldid=53410 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-16) 10 < 1511402978 0 :Cale_!~cale@24.114.75.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511403104 0 :Cale__!~cale@24.114.75.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511403420 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SECURE CHICKEN < 1511403881 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511404681 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511404865 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511404915 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511405851 0 :moonythedwarf!?@? NICK :FCC < 1511406917 0 :Cale__!~cale@24.114.75.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511406917 0 :Cale_!~cale@24.114.75.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511407000 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511407374 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511407590 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511409337 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511411527 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511413305 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fekfqfzhzovvdkbv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511413762 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511413924 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.140.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511413924 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.140.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511413924 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511413991 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511414657 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a player regenerate from being destroyed? < 1511414657 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Note there is no current way to do that. Maybe in a future Un- set. < 1511414867 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:a562:4e24:daf4:17ad JOIN :#esoteric < 1511416325 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511417111 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511418965 0 :friendlyGoat!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511419481 0 :friendlyGoat!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of you ever heard of Zombie? < 1511420271 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511420363 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511420387 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest80236 < 1511421141 0 :friendlyGoat!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric : < 1511422134 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511423104 0 :FCC!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511424135 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511424299 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53412&oldid=53411 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+12) 10 < 1511424322 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511424352 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511424637 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511424814 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53413&oldid=53412 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-7) 10 < 1511425087 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511425306 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1511425713 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511425716 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511425754 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511425933 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1511426012 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511426844 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:60f4:1e2f:678a:8f80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511428389 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511428418 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511429413 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1511429910 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511431790 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:60f4:1e2f:678a:8f80 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511432322 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gibibyte < 1511432328 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gibibyte? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511432351 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1511432370 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cook anything delicious lately? < 1511432381 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't been cooking much :( < 1511432463 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do need to cook more < 1511432516 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what about baking? < 1511432528 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: same problem sadly < 1511432548 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is baking not a type of cooking? < 1511432559 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not needing sounds like you have a superior solution though, as opposed to "not being able to" for example < 1511432578 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thusly, may I inquire what the superior solution is? < 1511432601 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One trick is to apply economic pressure to get others to cook food for you. < 1511432649 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that is a good one. E might be married and have a partner who prefers to cook though. That is another option < 1511432709 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I misread you < 1511432719 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I do need to cook more" as " I do not need to cook any more" < 1511432722 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sorry < 1511432741 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that makes more sense. < 1511432764 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1511432799 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! Sorry for the confusion < 1511432829 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the confusion was entirely on my side, no need for you to be sorry < 1511432859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, *I'm* sorry for the confusion. < 1511432870 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm sorry for you being sorry < 1511432938 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically living on cereal, supermarket lunchtime meal deals, and microwave pasta ready meals < 1511432944 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1511432993 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... a lot better than a couple of years ago when I wasn't even managing that < 1511433004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh no < 1511433007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like scow < 1511433071 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what does scow mean in this context. googling for a definition gave me "a large flat-bottomed boat with broad square ends used chiefly for transporting bulk material (such as ore, sand, or refuse)" which I suspect is not what you meant < 1511433084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it in a related sense. < 1511433092 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The etymology is "garbage scow" < 1511433103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the scow of X" means something like "the worst specimen of X" < 1511433108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scow < 1511433109 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp. < 1511433123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: that makes no sense tdnh < 1511433142 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1 GiB equals 230 bytes or 1,073,741,824 GB, or approximately 7% larger than the gigabit. < 1511433145 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1511433151 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a bit like cockney rhyme then? In that you need to know some hidden layers of association in between < 1511433160 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from a webhosting company's website) < 1511433174 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I would personally go for some other hosting company < 1511433346 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like cloudatcost? < 1511433470 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no idea who they are < 1511435473 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think they're the wiki's host, which have a problem with reliability < 1511436221 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1511436233 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: who is the admin of the wiki? maybe we could host it elsewhere? < 1511436306 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my understanding is that that's being looked into < 1511436412 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I own a VPS, so do fizzie. I would assume there are more of us as well who could host it. Might need to upgrade to a bigger plan for bandwidth or storage, but I kind of doubt our wiki has that much traffic < 1511436466 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need to install php and possibly mysql though. Think I only have postgresql on that VPS < 1511436468 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage is I think the key issue < 1511436497 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how much does it use for the wiki? Shouldn't be more than a couple of GB I would assume? < 1511436519 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honstly I don't know < 1511436531 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is the current admin but I think Gregor has something to do with it as well? < 1511436536 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1511436941 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511437006 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Funding < 1511437103 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egress traffic is (IIRC) in the order of 100G/month, and we've always run it on a system with 2G of RAM, not sure how much smaller it'd fit on. < 1511437132 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511437134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's wrong with making a profit? < 1511437142 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, with having a surplus. < 1511437230 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay, my VPS is also 2 GB, and IIRC I have either 500 GB or 1 TB traffic / month available to me, not sure about yours < 1511437247 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:a562:4e24:daf4:17ad QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511437265 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my point was, if some of us already have VPSes, maybe there is some with spare capacity < 1511437274 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you confident that it'll cost <$100/year all in? < 1511437345 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If we go with one of the less mainstream options, I don't see why not. < 1511437378 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with a mainstream option? < 1511437427 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we should be able to run on the smallest of even a mainstream option like linode from what I can tell < 1511437441 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 5 USD per month, so it will fit in less than 100 USD without issueds < 1511437443 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :issues* < 1511437444 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.linode.com/pricing < 1511437463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear Linode is scow. < 1511437468 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I use them myself. < 1511437477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm a little suspicious about 1G of RAM, and the 2GB instance is already $120/year. < 1511437480 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had a mostly trouble free experience with their london data center the last few years, and the times I had issues their support was quick and helpful < 1511437501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They lost my password at least twice. < 1511437528 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh thought I had their smallest option but maybe not, htop says I have 2 GB RAM. Or 1.83 rather < 1511437542 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll log in and check < 1511437632 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using DigitalOcean, and they just added a new $15/month tier with 3GB of RAM. I think I guesstimated something like $25-30/month for Amazon/Google clouds (the latter has the business-only issue). < 1511437686 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the cheapo option would be https://www.hostens.com/vps-hosting/#hosting__plan__group-tab-vps who have a €3.99/month plan (quarterly billing, 2G RAM, KVM) and pretty reasonable user reviews around the webs. < 1511437686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we used Google Cloud US? < 1511437692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example by having Gregor run it. < 1511437727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly dubious of cheapo options. < 1511437727 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what sense is using Google Cloud US having me run it X-D < 1511437738 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1511437739 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1511437741 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of would prefer for the person looking after the MediaWiki installation to be the same person looking after the VPS, it's been a little inconvenient to have to bother someone every time some sort of control panel action is needed. < 1511437756 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it works, but it makes me feel bad. < 1511437768 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511437771 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can control panel access not be given? I don't know how these things work. < 1511437796 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using CaC's amazing service. < 1511437820 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah I have the 2 GB variant < 1511437851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should use Microsoft Azure < 1511437853 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with linode you can create users, and either give them full or restricted access. I don't know how fine grained that is < 1511437941 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more core point here is that I was just donating the CaC server because I had it spare. It was spare because CaC is kiiiiinda trash. However, CaC continues to be kinda trash, and it'd be good to move off of it. I don't have other servers free, or any particular reason to be the server admin. < 1511437942 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#setting-permissions < 1511437945 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems reasonable < 1511437999 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be clear about how crap CaC is, here's my latest support ticket on my other CaC account: < 1511438001 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not want to run the server full time, I too often go away from the internet for long stretches to keep an eye on it all the time < 1511438012 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :« After a few days of my servers being inaccessible and nonfunctional, today they simply don't exist. The panel claims "install failed" for all four, when they're not new servers, and have been running for months or, in one case, years.» < 1511438024 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CaC's response? «This ticket has been closed due to inactivity.» < 1511438028 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1511438035 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511438037 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511438060 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.83.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511438060 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.83.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511438060 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511438142 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : They lost my password at least twice. <-- by the way, how do you mean? Lost the hash of your password in their user db?? < 1511438172 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does someone (you?) have database and configuration backups of the wiki? < 1511438177 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a VPS for my own purposes, but it's tiny (512M of RAM), and anyway personally I'd not share it with the wiki. If we want to keep the wiki-admin == VPS-admin equality (I'm at least around enough, probably), I might just go ahead and pick the cheapo option and trust there's enough interest to cover that (relatively tiny) amount. Just not sure what's the best way to go around it. < 1511438192 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I believe I have backups of everything. < 1511438204 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've got weekly backups here as well of everything wiki-relevant. < 1511438213 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, in case d fails < 1511438222 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think so. Or at leat told me to change my password for some reason. < 1511438230 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember they lost password hashes at least once. < 1511438242 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there's also some other people downloading the public dump, which has all the articles but not the users & suchlike. < 1511438246 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh < 1511438321 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The directories I have backed up nightly: /etc/apt /var/www/html /home /etc/nginx /etc/php5 /var/lib/mysql < 1511438327 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I should be backing up something else, tell me. < 1511438330 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: couldn't it just run as a couple of docker image or such? < 1511438355 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: probably /var/lib/apt, more interesting than /etc/apt < 1511438365 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the cheapo option much better than AWS? < 1511438374 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since /var/lib/apt contains the installed package database < 1511438398 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it is probably not better, might be cheaper though ;P < 1511438466 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could add /srv/esolangs.org for the wiki. < 1511438517 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I backup /etc/apt and selections. You can mostly reproduce /var/lib/apt from selections, albeit a newer install. < 1511438570 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's probably not *better*. But a t2.small instance already has a base cost of $16.84/month, plus $8.91/month for 100G of "AWS Data Transfer Out". < 1511438574 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a mess apt and apt-like systems are. < 1511438603 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How dare you insult our lord and true king Debian. < 1511438637 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I think this is entirely a circumstance to cheap out on. < 1511438671 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of cheap VPS services, many of which are just fine. < 1511438693 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that I use and has literally had 100% uptime in the year I've been using it emailed me this sale: https://hostslick.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=177 < 1511438705 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$35/yr is a bit better than $25/mo < 1511438739 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. The €3.99/month option had pretty good reviews (re support & so on) as well, and feels low enough that I think even without any sort of structured money-collection system I might get enough ad-hoc donations to cover it. < 1511438752 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about option (e) fizzie pays for an expensive option out of pocket < 1511438761 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or option (f) fizzie gets Google to pay for it < 1511438776 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or just host it while they're at it) < 1511438790 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just stick it on a U. Waterloo server. I really doubt anybody would notice ;) < 1511438795 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I won't actually do this) < 1511438805 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically Google has an infinite number of machines, so it wouldn't cost them anything.) < 1511438854 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: more seriously though, is there no option as a google employee to get a cheaper price for their cloud offers? < 1511438857 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the option (f)(ii), which is me paying half of it and getting Google to gift-match the rest, but that'd (a) involve setting up a separate non-profit to get to go/give, and (b) would really feel like trickery to me. < 1511438893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fizzie has no option at all to get the cloud offers at any price < 1511438912 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because you need to be a business? < 1511438914 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1511438927 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At some point there was a $30/month or so Cloud credit voucher dealie, but it's not really an option with the silliness with the Google Cloud and EU and VAT thing. < 1511438945 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1511438958 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's not really guaranteed to run forever. < 1511438974 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes I saw something strange about VAT when logging into linode just now. I wonder what that is about and how it will affect me < 1511438989 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, one thing I could probably leverage Google for would be to stick the esowiki backup directory (encrypted) onto Drive. As it is, it's saved on three hard disks here locally, but the offsite backup is only updated once a year or so. < 1511439000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's how often I visit Finland, where our bank safety deposit box is.) < 1511439012 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much Drive space do you have? < 1511439017 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :65G, I think. < 1511439041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 1TB but I think it'll be expiring soon. < 1511439055 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1511439060 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have dropbox instead of drive. Better linux client < 1511439066 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, any linux client < 1511439084 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got the regular 15G freebie quota and a +50G bonus. < 1511439139 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/odeke-em/drive has worked for me just fine. < 1511439161 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DESIGN CHICKEN < 1511439173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really want automatic syncing anyway.) < 1511439179 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they asked for VAT number, I don't think I have that unless I have a company? < 1511439244 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I can't even begin to imagine why people are considering Google Cloud or Amazon or what have you. We have a small wiki. It needs a dinky server. Cloud servers are designed—and priced—for scalability UP, not scalability DOWN. < 1511439260 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1511439288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie wants to serve 5TB < 1511439294 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: my point here was: do any of us who already have VPSes have spare capacity that would benefit this? < 1511439297 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: per second < 1511439351 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say I do on my VPS, but no I don't have time to be full time admin. < 1511439557 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511439803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What if you developed a commercial code golf site with ais523? < 1511439808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can use Google Cloud. < 1511439833 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I doubt it would be very successful as a commercial thing < 1511439850 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need to be successful to be a "business purpose". < 1511439863 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just do the "get a dinky server and get some ad-hoc money" option, and then afterwards consider setting up a donate button via some service if that feels appropriate. < 1511439872 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I did actually for reals look at the UK rules for charities, and if you opt for one of the forms that don't have a corporate structure (isn't a legal person and can't do contracts, but can own money & get tax benefits) it's not entirely impossible proposition. < 1511439889 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1511439895 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest blockers are that I would probably need 1-2 other UK people as co-trustees (and possibly meet them physically once a year, that wasn't entirely clear), and the definition of "charitable purposes", while *probably* covering the wiki, might be a little hard to extend to other adjacent things, like #esoteric IRC bots. < 1511439918 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sell out, man < 1511439927 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does the server run something other than the wiki? < 1511439927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know you want to rake in the big esobucks < 1511439939 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irc bots run elsewhere don't they? < 1511439946 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: HackEgo runs on it as well. < 1511439949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They run at the same place. < 1511439954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo even gives wiki edit notifications < 1511439977 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's done over UDP, they don't *need* to run on the same system. < 1511439997 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TCP surely? < 1511440001 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, UDP. < 1511440006 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1511440007 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, don't ask me, that's how MediaWiki does it. < 1511440028 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK charities aren't eligible for US tax deduction anyway < 1511440033 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently? < 1511440060 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Probably not. But they're eligible for UK Gift Aid for any UK donations. < 1511440068 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway, all you would need is something able to run a couple of docker images right? mysql, nginx and hackego < 1511440076 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, docker < 1511440079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out < 1511440085 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so some other container solution then < 1511440117 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway what do you have against containers in general or docker specifically? < 1511440122 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :namespaces... good... containers... bad :P < 1511440133 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument is complexity. < 1511440138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Containers are fine, but Docker is not < 1511440156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe Docker is popular enough that I should give up and use it < 1511440159 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, I haven't used other solutions like rkt, so I can't really compare them < 1511440180 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably better if you build your Docker images with bazel or something instead of Dockerfiles. < 1511440189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you run them with Kubernetes or something. < 1511440205 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what use I have made of docker have been highly specialized and unconventional at work to simulate large number of embedded systems hammering on another embedded system. < 1511440280 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should sleep. < 1511440282 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, Dockerfile syntax is a bit weird. < 1511440298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax is not really the issue. < 1511440334 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway you might get sporadically reoccurring donations from me for the wiki. Don't expect anything monthly though. < 1511440339 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh? < 1511440377 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The monthly costs are likely to be so small, any sort of transaction costs would probably eat into them anyway. < 1511440389 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near-term, I think I'll just reply to the (two) comments on the talk page on the wiki and see where that goes. < 1511440418 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511440438 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The charity thing *is* real overkill, it just feels so tempting since (if I'm paying for any of it) the UK tax thing would be basically free money. (But it also feels like dubious tax dodging.) < 1511440450 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think I really need to amble to work at this point. < 1511440519 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1511440648 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why php5? (based on your backup paths). Isn't that ancient? < 1511441346 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently it isn't. there was no php6 < 1511442472 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@slashem.me QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511442713 0 :Elronnd!~earenndil@slashem.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1511446243 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511446527 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511447681 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511448512 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511449447 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :php5 is both ancient and new ;) < 1511449744 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah I saw < 1511451924 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511454218 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ytqiqrqbiaxampxu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511454521 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8564:588d:30c9:8962:caa7:d034 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511454526 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8564:588d:30c9:8962:caa7:d034 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511454581 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8564:588d:5576:897a:df00:febe JOIN :#esoteric < 1511455931 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511455932 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello. < 1511455979 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53414&oldid=53413 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+152) 10 < 1511456339 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511457743 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511460401 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8564:588d:5576:897a:df00:febe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511460448 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8564:588d:5576:897a:df00:febe JOIN :#esoteric < 1511460452 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8564:588d:5576:897a:df00:febe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511462119 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511462455 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:54a9:4e22:42f7:a1c8:b1d5:9a49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511464083 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511464136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511464269 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.25.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511464269 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.25.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511464269 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511464284 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1511464923 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: What do you think of basicfuck? < 1511465435 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511465942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511466097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511466464 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think basicfuck is very similar to clearBF. < 1511466700 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511466710 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re Gregor telling about CaC handling the server on which the esowiki is running: ouch. that sucks. < 1511466754 0 :Elronnd!~earenndil@slashem.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ð looks interesting < 1511466763 0 :Elronnd!~earenndil@slashem.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an implementation? < 1511466777 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Gregor: when you say you have backups of everything, is that only the esowiki, or also HackEgo? < 1511466893 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I separately have the hackego chroot backed up. < 1511466898 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also nightly. < 1511466913 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of those hosting options, which ones don't have a clause where if you use more network traffic than is in your plan, then you must pay for the extra data (as opposed to them limiting your internet bandwidth to very low or zero when you reach the data limit)? < 1511466952 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because I have the impression that some cheap hosting options simply want a few of the users to trip up and accidentally go over the network quota and get their actual income from that, rather than the nominal monthly plans. < 1511466963 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thanks < 1511467206 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translator is my favorite vocaloid < 1511467208 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiosKUO7oqo < 1511467359 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511467391 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511467448 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1511467455 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511467487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511468567 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511469266 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CLooP should be extended to allow a default value for array elements (especially in GLooP mode, that one doesn't need to use a pforeach loop just to initialize any element, which, even in C, can be done using e.g. int array[N] = {0};) < 1511470008 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas I have a weekly HackEgo repository backup as well. < 1511470008 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1511470115 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511470386 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I was going to say it's Translate, not Translator, but apparently "Google™ Translator" is a Firefox extension you might've also meant. < 1511470530 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511470544 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good < 1511471522 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1844@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.68 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1511472803 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a insanely powerful laptop! < 1511472833 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9175.html < 1511472877 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got the actual shipping notification < 1511472899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is on its way < 1511473065 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one of those, except under the "Schenker" brand. (Few years old, not really used any more.) < 1511473080 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power brick weighs like, well, a brick. < 1511473285 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I kind of expected that < 1511473296 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :330 W is a ton of charger < 1511473335 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how it compares to a Tesla's charger < 1511473533 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind they are in kW < 1511473585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop came with a 130W charger but I downgraded to 87W < 1511473922 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but can your laptop play crysis at max settings < 1511473953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or kerbal space program with a giant space station and all teh cool graphics mods) < 1511473973 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you should do is play Factorio instead. < 1511473979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than all your other games. < 1511474241 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511474646 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511475141 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://steamcommunity.com/id/orenwatson/games/?tab=all < 1511475233 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping that 32 gb of ram will help build larger cities in cities: skylines too < 1511475573 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course I will stress test it by having an 8 by 8 dwarf fortress too < 1511475695 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see Factorio in the list? < 1511475731 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1511475734 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C141.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511475746 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is it on sale? < 1511475865 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a tomato is a fruit, then is tomato soup a smoothie? < 1511475973 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on sale for the usual price of $20 < 1511475999 0 :Guest80236!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1511476002 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a good price < 1511476003 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf QUIT :Changing host < 1511476003 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1511476040 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: i thought its a berry. Then tomato soup a diluted jam < 1511476889 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511478048 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdvv6lcpljuq7d.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511478981 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1511480244 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511480993 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511481256 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511481285 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511482936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511482996 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Wonder if ffmpeg could render two different streams of subtitles on top of a video (say top and bottom). Probably. < 1511483073 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spämmi! < 1511483084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's been a while since the last one. < 1511483091 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of bitcoin spam though. < 1511483247 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are they telling you you could make a guaranteed $13000 in just 24 hours, or some such? < 1511483320 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although just now there's Rainer from Vienna, who I've allegedly met 2 months ago in a hotel and asked to tell me how to get "extra money on crypto currencies". < 1511483487 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511483519 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1511483533 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't remember < 1511483547 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1511483553 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello! < 1511483557 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1511483561 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously with bitcoin raising eightfold in a few months it's the thing to spam. < 1511483577 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bitcoin < 1511483579 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoins are coins that have been drilled through with a bit, and can be strung together in long chains. This practice dates to ancient China, and the Chinese remain experts in bitcoin manufacturing. A chain can support up to 21 million coins before breaking. < 1511483817 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511484485 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511486642 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511486736 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511486785 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511486813 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511486886 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511486912 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511487462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloony < 1511487666 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is baking not a type of cooking? <-- possibly, but not for the scandinavian cognates - "koking" means boiling < 1511487685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which might have confused Vorpal) < 1511487758 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes speaking to americans is fairly useless at the moment
< 1511487787 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ytqiqrqbiaxampxu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511487832 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: quite likely < 1511487842 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really understood Thanksgiving, and notably how it differs from Christmas < 1511487845 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two seem very similar < 1511487849 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511487874 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thankgiving < 1511487877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankgiving? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511487879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1511487881 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thanksgiving < 1511487882 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanksgiving? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511487895 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanksgiving is not quite my holiday < 1511487940 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Wikipedia implies that the US Thanksgiving is the equivalent of (genetically related to, as much as holidays have genes) the british Harvest Festival < 1511487947 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet they're really quite different in nature < 1511487949 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm are they even cognates actually < 1511487976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK what basically happens is that people donate food to the school (normally tinned food), they make a big display out of it < 1511487979 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then give it all to food banks < 1511488009 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think its main purpose is to educate children about where food comes from < 1511488021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not something that you automatically know without being told < 1511488028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do american jews celebrate thanksgiving in general? < 1511488072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not strictly a religious holiday, so i wouldn't know) < 1511488131 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems as though what happened is Britain had a tradition of a large harvest, which was retained more recognizably in the US, and in the UK mutated rather heavily? < 1511488135 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*large harvest feast < 1511488178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right, it was more celebrating the end of the harvest, I think < 1511488185 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've done all the work gathering the food you need for the winter < 1511488190 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well celebrate by eating some of it < 1511488223 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think part of it, though, is just the US has a myth that connects it to our national origins. < 1511488240 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which naturally will tend to keep it a bit more recognizable. < 1511488252 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1511488276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I heard that buying tinned food and donating it to food banks is a very inefficient use of money < 1511488283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better to give the food banks the money directly < 1511488299 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not /very/ inefficient, but it does waste some money because they can purchas in bulk < 1511488313 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very efficient use if you had the food already and just forgot to eat it, and it's getting close to expired < 1511488342 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they might also purchase different things, not just the same things in bulk < 1511488380 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the extra cheerfullness factor from the food having been selected by children trying to be kind has any effect < 1511488412 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh en:cook and no:koke _are_ cognate, but both are latin borrowings. < 1511488510 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511488596 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511488601 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511488631 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511488652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: come to think of it, I suspect the food is involved unconditionally because that's what the festival requires < 1511488661 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gets donated to food banks merely to avoid having to throw it away < 1511488687 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511488714 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511488846 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Funding14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53415&oldid=53377 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+1947) 10Reply and reorganize a bit. < 1511489421 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: EMBRACING CHICKEN < 1511490587 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqmxusijydtziogt JOIN :#esoteric < 1511490815 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511491619 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rainer from vienna finally got around to me, it seems < 1511492036 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511492505 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Rainer sent me a second email just now. They must be getting desperate. < 1511492570 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's rainer < 1511492891 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:5303:3469:bc83:3f4b:288c:21c6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511493654 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511493669 0 :Jojo__!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511493674 0 :Jojo__!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric : < 1511493688 0 :Jojo_!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511493691 0 :Jojo_!~friendlyG@50-50-136-197.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric : < 1511497119 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511500207 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511500335 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511500364 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511500379 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511502013 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1511503743 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:5303:3469:bc83:3f4b:288c:21c6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511503883 0 :watered!~water@157.49.15.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511506460 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511507398 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511508144 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511509557 0 :watered!~water@157.49.15.207 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511513087 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511513103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511513426 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to official Un-cards of Magic: the Gathering, some people make up unofficial Un-cards. You can have cards that you rip in half as you draft them, tapping/untapping stuff other than permanents, unexplained keyword abilities, adding stuff other than mana into your mana pool, and demons in your nose. < 1511513557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tap/untap a player? < 1511513562 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the stack? < 1511513646 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can't tap/untap a player or the stack (or any objects in the stack). But, Un-cards can ignore this! < 1511513937 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy Priests of the Future {WW} Creature - Human Cleric (1/1) ;; Faith-Healing ;; Bands with other creatures having at least as much faith as ~ < 1511514129 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't like mushrooms, right? < 1511514137 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about cashew nuts? < 1511514740 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1511515008 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the one that was suggested by this IRC: Demons In Your Nose {UB} Instant ;; If there are any Demons in your nose, you may cast them. Each of those spells gains flying. < 1511515102 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511515387 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sqmxusijydtziogt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511515523 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511515679 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511515683 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1511515776 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there apparently used to be people who knew things about Conway Game of Life here < 1511515952 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511516273 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1511516377 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things about, but, perhaps not much more than what the rules are. < 1511516413 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I made a program that can execute it, too) < 1511516909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet made a HashLife implementation in Mathematica in here once < 1511516929 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511516966 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel showed up in a 7 year old board thread < 1511516973 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I said hey why not < 1511516977 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The do-s and don't-s of M:tG card design: Don't. ) < 1511516997 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you program zzo you are half (something?) qualified (theoretically) to answer my next question < 1511517014 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511517040 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, I have fond memories of Magic < 1511517053 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic Was a Way of Life.. or .. uh FOCUS Phoeni : ) < 1511517056 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1511517069 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic 5am question < 1511517082 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the smallest initial form that has the biggest explosion in complexity? < 1511517088 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a few answers < 1511517097 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on the top of my head is R pentamonio < 1511517108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard measure for that? < 1511517114 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1511517116 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why I am here < 1511517144 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my awesome 5am scribbles that explodes like R penta .. and then ... oh shit it got Meta < 1511517146 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that most reasonable meanings of complexity grow BB-style in the size of the initial pattern < 1511517149 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Hofstadter Likes thisd < 1511517155 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm So Meta Even This Acronym < 1511517187 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So among the things I don't know is "how to measure" as pointed out < 1511517195 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :R Penta goes BALLISTIC < 1511517206 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say an 8 item pattern could go "more" < 1511517210 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it "starts bigger" etc < 1511517215 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this stuff < 1511517248 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conwaylife.com/w/index.php?title=Infinite_growth#Small_infinite_growth_patterns < 1511517263 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so zzo38 for example if you are a programmer you could just do an Add-on < 1511517327 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...giving several 11-cell patterns with infinite growth" < 1511517339 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just because it adds glider guns or stuff < 1511517345 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that's not "complex" < 1511517351 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more questions : ) < 1511517392 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT borrowing from that article I'll grab a vocab word < 1511517422 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like R Penta and then SOMEWHERE in the life cycle add 1 pixel in the most compact way to keep it going < 1511517432 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "feeding" the life < 1511517455 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the end result "keeps wandering all over doing stuff" < 1511517485 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So THAT is my second level question < 1511517489 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first half was warmup < 1511517493 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :- ------------------ < 1511517931 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is baking not a type of cooking? <-- possibly, but not for the scandinavian cognates - "koking" means boiling < 1511517931 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : (which might have confused Vorpal) < 1511517934 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1511517962 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Vorpal Scandinavian? < 1511517970 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm from Sweden yes < 1511517996 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you live in -- the UK? < 1511517999 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1511518001 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Sweden < 1511518027 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought maybe you were in the US. < 1511518047 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory is no good. < 1511518263 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ec44:ed8a:f9ed:8ca8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511520388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: By the way, since we've tended to share these -- it's not exactly a panorama, but I was out taking pictures of a Light Thing the other night: https://zem.fi/tmp/beamrules.jpg < 1511522164 0 :watered!~water@157.49.15.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511522415 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511523155 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511523353 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511525367 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511526638 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: RELATIVE CHICKEN < 1511526692 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511526719 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511526774 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A "light thing"? < 1511526781 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite pretty yes < 1511526791 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lasers into fog? < 1511526836 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: by the way, the only reason I have been on at all this week is that I have been home with a severe cold, so I had nothing better to do < 1511526891 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with regards to "not paying attention to internet stuff" I mentioned yesterday < 1511527809 0 :watered!~water@157.49.15.139 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511527875 0 :watered!~water@157.49.15.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511528596 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think those were just regular lights into fog. But there were some lasers as well: https://zem.fi/tmp/lasers.jpg < 1511528611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And just lights in general: https://zem.fi/tmp/gates.jpg < 1511528628 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you live in a cool place! < 1511528704 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My wife says it makes no sense London has all these things and Finland/Helsinki has none, even though the latter would have ample supplies of darkness and woodland. < 1511528897 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1511528907 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least three recurring yearly light shows somewhat like this (the photos are from Syon Park's Enchanted Woodland, but there's also the Magical Lantern Festival at Chiswick House and Christmas at Kew in Kew Gardens) plus some more conventional "light art" thingies (Winter Lights Festival at Canary Wharf, the Lumiere festival just generally around London). < 1511529113 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flickr'd some photos of the Canary Wharf one last year, https://www.flickr.com/photos/fizzief/albums/72157676045132054 < 1511529173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and apparently the Magic Lantern Festival as well.) < 1511529302 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looks cool, especially the ones with horizontal ribbons between the trees < 1511529310 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was that made? < 1511529351 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was just physical ribbons coated with something that glows under UV light, and then some UV lamps pointed at them on the ground. < 1511529357 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1511529753 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:ec44:ed8a:f9ed:8ca8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511529938 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should try to execute some parts of the XTW interpreter parallel. < 1511530668 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in the VM < 1511530744 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping the VM didn't magically come into life, right? < 1511530748 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1511530752 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa! < 1511530753 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did? < 1511530757 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened? < 1511530829 0 :watered!~water@157.49.15.139 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511530862 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Was it not-alive then? < 1511530990 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511530995 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: non-alive when? < 1511531003 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was non-alive a few days ago < 1511531063 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder, instead of random people sending money to you, does any of the virtual machine providers support the option where random people can pay money directly to the hosting provider over the internet and that money appears on that virtual machine's account if they add the rihgt incantation? < 1511531093 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. Yeah, it's been back for quite a while now. I don't think it was down for more than four days or so. < 1511531147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I was busy then, or something < 1511531184 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511531196 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if "non-owner payments" are a thing with any provider. Could be. < 1511531207 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I've been looking for accepts bitcoins, FWIW. < 1511531228 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/for/at/ < 1511532696 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511535999 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511536078 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511536609 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, Cloud at Cost is having a Black Friday sale ;) < 1511536821 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, let's buy more of them. < 1511537400 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a rather random question, but I'm having some trouble Googli.. I mean, searching Google for it. Does anyone happen to know if there exists a cheap device for plugging a POTS landline handset to a computer in a full-duplex way? < 1511537404 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can find are (a) record-only boxes that slot between the phone base and the mic/speaker handset, (b) FXO devices that make a computer be able to interact with a POTS system, and (c) a few very Skype-specific USB devices intended for doing Skype calls from an old landline phone. < 1511537412 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just basically want to make an old phone an audio I/O device. (Or possibly just the handset part, but it'd be more elegant to use the entire phone.) < 1511537566 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511537566 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.107.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511537566 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.107.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511537566 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511537568 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511537656 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.107.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511537659 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.107.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511537659 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511537800 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make such a device? < 1511538617 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511538863 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I used to have a voice-capable ISA modem card that might've been able to do it, but that's back in Finland anyway. < 1511538866 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found a few instructions about the handset part (though mostly just about recording), and that might be easier, since AIUI it's really just a specific kind of microphone and speaker. The phone system itself is probably a little more involved. < 1511538871 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not particularly good at electronics. < 1511538989 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511540549 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511540954 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zufqaqaesxfbvtuo JOIN :#esoteric < 1511542085 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511542767 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511542962 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, CaC is spamming me. < 1511543149 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511543331 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511545124 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha discounted crap < 1511546047 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511546691 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1511547664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511548850 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some closure: looks like the thing I was talking about is called a "FXS adapter" in telephony land, and there are no cheap ones, except for build-your-own projects. The cheapest alternative seems to be some sort of standalone VOIP box, which can be had in the £15-20 price range used. < 1511549783 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511549839 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511550241 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511550273 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.129 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511550329 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511551361 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511553092 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo gang < 1511553106 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll repeat since I posted my question when no one was up < 1511553112 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any experts on Conway's Game of Life here? < 1511553588 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511554473 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511555727 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511556317 0 :ATMunn!?@? NICK :nnuMTA < 1511556523 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zufqaqaesxfbvtuo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511557258 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511557338 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511557810 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1511557829 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1511558231 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phoeni: i watched two and half YouTube videos about it, so im an expert. Feel free to ask your question =) < 1511558283 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray! < 1511558298 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far did your videos take you? < 1511558313 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and a HAALF!" (Eddie Murphy) : ) < 1511558322 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HAAAAYYAAALF!!) ) < 1511558322 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511558323 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1511558336 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's start easy < 1511558361 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you make dots, and they either are lonely and die off, or crowded, and the middle one die of < 1511558375 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most really early positions in the "crowded" stage die off in stages < 1511558382 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far so good? < 1511558545 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cells are formed into patterns. < 1511558677 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but patterns from a set of rules that you re calculate turn after turn < 1511558712 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 you were here earlier < 1511558719 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you still have your program? < 1511558793 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked, and the 5 dot config called R pentamonio dies off in about 1100 turns < 1511558800 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a boundary < 1511558829 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't be that hard to run it 3200 times adding one pixel at a time a bunch of choices < 1511558848 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phoeni: it doesn't die off. it emits multiple gliders. < 1511558859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that another pattern? < 1511558863 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I am skipping the gliders < 1511558877 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw those, but one sec lemme look at something again < 1511558878 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511558948 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511558968 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ot taking the time to count exactly, it produces 4-5 gliders so they "end off into space" but in the main colony it stabilizes < 1511558979 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I am referrring to < 1511559008 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but before that it gets into all these fantastic patterns < 1511559041 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I am curious if you add 1 pixel somewhere in the run if you can keep it going wild without locking down < 1511559069 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not just 1, so there is some sets of minimum numbers of pixels per overall complexity growth < 1511559089 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since the original is FIVE and it explodes into 1100 cycles < 1511559096 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be that many new pixels < 1511559105 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :So whats your question < 1511559121 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just typed it < 1511559127 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange stuff is happening and there is no way to quickly predict it (usually) < 1511559134 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : so I am curious if you add 1 pixel somewhere in the run if you can keep it going wild without locking down < 1511559151 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so just a brute force < 1511559159 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1511559165 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my question < 1511559181 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a computer can do it in an organized fashion < 1511559193 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can greatly optimize the execution though < 1511559201 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1100 steps is small, this slow web version was done in ten seconds < 1511559209 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :by press calculating whole patterns, excluding empty areas, etc < 1511559225 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1511559234 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer can calculate something like 1 billion cell-steps per second < 1511559236 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I am just curious how to find out < 1511559262 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :brute force < 1511559277 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case "a billion cell steps' but with the "wonders of multi plex sims" it's 110 steps times (guess) 2000 locations for the pixel < 1511559279 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no way to solve it algorithmically < 1511559305 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life is Turing complete, you can encode any program in it < 1511559322 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ny making quick prediction about it, you could solve any possible problem faster < 1511559324 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :by* < 1511559327 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just like to see it programmed out < 1511559373 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came here because the room title was obscure programming stuff and specifically a board post said a few people knew some stuff about it and zzo38 earlier said he'd already made one < 1511559396 0 :garit2!~garit@188.29.164.136.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511559396 0 :garit2!~garit@188.29.164.136.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511559396 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511559499 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounded like an easy test case for a programmer to crank out < 1511559511 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone cared < 1511559546 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solving quick game of life simulation = solving all possible programs < 1511559578 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :its literally the same, as asking to solve how to simulate any given program faster than it takes usually < 1511559584 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511559660 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right but answering a diff question than I had < 1511559663 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do still have the program of course < 1511559669 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for one quick piece of data < 1511559682 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh "of course" - heh things happen < 1511559688 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs get lost to dead hard drives : ) < 1511559733 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so zzo38 in concept *I think* all you'd have to do is put a loop and add 1 pixel to the run of the center population ignoring the gliders once they're out of range < 1511559746 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see which one pixel adds the most to the whole colony < 1511559765 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly two < 1511559783 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because of the crowding rule deleting one pizel < 1511559786 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same idea < 1511559833 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had the idea to add some food : ) < 1511559884 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Wolfram's New Kind of Science but last I looked it over I didn't see the Food idea < 1511560147 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-flauebwvlpnngizg JOIN :#esoteric < 1511561594 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the legend of the phoeni... < 1511561765 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that a book by Nesbit? < 1511561773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, I'm mixing up two books by Nesbit. < 1511561875 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add an "x", it's the opening line of daft punk's "get lucky" and the name of an upcoming anthology from gilded dragonfly books < 1511562081 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511562344 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all are partly right < 1511562353 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a new channel for me to ne in < 1511562372 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phoenix is right, just like you think, and more accurately, the male one from the Egyptian lineage < 1511562392 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the missing X is some mostly forgotten wordplay little thing I was pondering one year < 1511562406 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IRC only lets you sorta have 1 name per network < 1511562530 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use NS GROUP to add multiple names to your account if you want to do, although only one name is in use at once. < 1511562597 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that's new to me, what's that? < 1511562620 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately I don't have all that many, but userenames are how the net runs and it's irritating < 1511562628 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An account is not required, but it is possible to do. Issue the command "NS HELP" to the IRC server for a description. < 1511562651 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that freenode only or across most of the big networks? < 1511562674 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NS HELP < 1511562693 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all IRC networks implement it, but some do. (Which subcommands are implemented under NS also can differ by network) < 1511562737 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then do I Identify back and forth? < 1511562771 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes I came across Nickserv isn't on all the networks, but I'll deal with that later < 1511562780 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doing basics today : ) < 1511562841 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are registered, then you can use the PASS or NS IDENTIFY command to authenticate so that you can be logged in. < 1511562855 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am registered for Phoeni < 1511562858 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some time back < 1511562865 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you switch names? < 1511562875 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Issue the NICK command to switch names. < 1511562884 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that part I got < 1511562892 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1511562897 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be confusing myself < 1511562910 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme think < 1511562938 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A. So if I am in teo IRC channels at the same time, I can't have two nicks going at once, unless that's what Group does < 1511562957 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have only one name per connection. < 1511562959 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two < 1511562963 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1511562981 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need two connections if you want to use two names at once. < 1511562989 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B, THEN, I think Twitch gets grouchy and only wants one twitch name per (something) < 1511563013 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my gaming twitch gets smashed into my chess twitch name < 1511563040 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I've done landline and mobile before < 1511563042 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two connectionds < 1511563057 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that work for Twitch too < 1511563070 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So at home I might have to do AdiIRC and Kiwi or something < 1511563107 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean landline and mobile; I mean just connecting twice to the IRC server, with the same IRC client for both connections if it supports multiple connections to the same server. < 1511563166 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Different IRC clients work differently, and you may need to look at the documentation for the IRC client you are using.) < 1511563282 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's new to me too, also something to think about < 1511563292 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things to do when not studying < 1511563982 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use hexchat here, and I think it supports two connections to the same server but I'm not sure. < 1511564025 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a survey of clients about 3 years ago and AdiIRc becae my "winner" < 1511564052 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511564058 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I glanced at hexchat but it just didn't make my list for now lost reasons to do with intuition < 1511564255 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511564266 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, works < 1511564274 0 :zseri_!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PART #esoteric : < 1511564594 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511564633 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511564754 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1511564754 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1511565145 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1511565145 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1511565559 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric : You don't have any massages < 1511565624 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1511565624 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1511565684 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dosthelloswork, Relloger9, zsellori. lambdabot doesn't massage hth < 1511565806 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I parallelized some namespace copy work in the XTW interpreter. < 1511567348 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you looked at my new esolang yet? < 1511567637 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1511567663 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is titled "Crement" (ais523 gave it this name, because I didn't have a name for it at first) < 1511567744 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1511567961 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be interesting to have a instruction which allows to copy a previous instruction (given by address field) after the last command < 1511568016 0 :nnuMTA!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Changing host < 1511568016 0 :nnuMTA!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1511568028 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that you can extend the length of the program, do you mean? < 1511568036 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1511568193 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@104-50-90-48.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511568195 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would name it 'EXTEND'; It could be used in a loop (using JUMP) to conditionally extend the program an then jump to that place < 1511568228 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and* < 1511568361 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a Instruction 'I' which inserts copies of commands (like extend) but immediately before or after itself. < 1511568370 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this can be a variant "Extensible Crement", perhaps. < 1511568375 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1511568584 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:5409:7167:c894:871d JOIN :#esoteric < 1511568811 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck²14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53416&oldid=53381 5* 03TedDidNothingWrong 5* (+0) 10 < 1511568924 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did Ted do? < 1511568987 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53417 5* 03Zseri 5* (+1055) 10Created page with "[[Category:Languages]][[Category:2017]][[Category:Self-modifying]] Extensible Crement is an programming language based upon [[Crement]], invented by [[User:Zseri]]. Extensib..." < 1511569023 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question. < 1511569072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511569117 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop matching is now even more difficult < 1511569221 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, easier. I exchanged before and after while thinking < 1511569295 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally ''easier'' (maaping '[' -> 'Brainfuck²' ; ']' -> 'ZZZ') < 1511569527 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511569566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1511569566 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1511569710 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511570372 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1511570381 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ptbell < 1511570381 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ptbell: not found < 1511570383 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ptlist < 1511570383 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ptlist: not found < 1511570387 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pt whatever. < 1511570387 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pt: not found < 1511570395 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: helloochaf. new PT hth < 1511570481 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice intel-microcode changelog. < 1511570485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Likely fix nightmare-level Skylake erratum SKL150. Fortunately, either this erratum is very-low-hitting, or gcc/clang/icc/msvc won't usually issue the affected opcode pattern and it ends up being rare. < 1511570489 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKL150 - Short loops using both the AH/BH/CH/DH registers and the corresponding wide register *may* result in unpredictable system behavior. Requires both logical processors of the same core (i.e. sibling hyperthreads) to be active to trigger, as well as a 'complex set of micro-architectural conditions'" < 1511570508 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PT? < 1511570565 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primitive Technology hth < 1511570684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was following that a while ago < 1511570702 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual effects of the problem are really nasty, but luckily the offending code sequence isn't omitted by most compilers < 1511570712 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it tended to only hurt OCaml programs (whose compiler can omit it) < 1511570718 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/omit/emit/ twice < 1511570879 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was reading this because had to reboot, and happened to see an early boot message flash by saying "[Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x22 (or later)". < 1511571064 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511571152 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53418&oldid=53417 5* 03Zseri 5* (+417) 10+I/O < 1511571363 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I specified output for Extensible Crement (uses address -1 and doesn't jump). < 1511571363 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511571417 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the obvious shortened form intentional tdnhodi < 1511571524 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53419&oldid=53418 5* 03Zseri 5* (+129) 10 < 1511571922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53420&oldid=53419 5* 03Zseri 5* (+45) 10use different instructions in the example to demonstrate the usage < 1511572038 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1511572039 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D672.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511572342 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the name is based on the common root of increment and decrement < 1511572354 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess if you have a value that you can move up, down, or out, it could work? < 1511572358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow the shops in norway advertise black friday sales despite us having no thanksgiving. < 1511572402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK shops are trying to make black friday relevant < 1511572410 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the sales aren't really big enough to encourage people to visit < 1511572428 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closest British equivalent to black friday is the Boxing day sales < 1511572443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't a huge big single-day thing, they tend to last the whole of the rest of december and much of January too < 1511572447 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't get stampedes or the like < 1511572530 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in norway the days right after christmas are customarily for switching gifts you don't want, which many shops allow < 1511572575 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while actual sales start in the new year < 1511572584 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty interesting, actually; I guess that's technically legal here too but I haven't heard of it being widely done < 1511572589 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(legal in that most shops allow it) < 1511572655 0 :nnuMTA!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1511572756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not a legal right unless the item is actually broken < 1511572853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511573492 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511573509 0 :Phoeni!AdiIRC@cpe-69-201-138-83.nyc.res.rr.com PART #esoteric : < 1511573564 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511573600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511573913 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511573960 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: HELLOILY < 1511574166 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM PROPERLY PORTHELLOED. LET THE PROTOCOL BEGIN. < 1511574190 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION taps a bunch of islands
< 1511574263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :island is too good < 1511574270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be banned < 1511574294 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue mana best mana. < 1511574445 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we started playing tiny leaders for fun. there are some deeply borken cards in there... < 1511574637 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DIVE CHICKEN < 1511574827 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have or had a faerie conclave < 1511574831 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :op card < 1511575415 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511575937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm golly has python scripting, surely that can help answer phoeni's "change a single pixel" question < 1511576001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1511576002 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF: http://www.wikisky.org/?ra=23.978329260803264&de=2.09181050236276&zoom=3&show_grid=1&show_constellation_lines=1&show_constellation_boundaries=1&show_const_names=0&show_galaxies=1&show_box=1&box_ra=22.494041&box_de=-20.83711&box_width=54.613248&box_height=54.613248&box_var_size=1&img_source=IMG_all < 1511576029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In HashLife, if you have some huge pattern, you might be able to advance it by 2^n generations relatively efficiently < 1511576037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there a way to advance it by one generation efficiently? < 1511577556 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511577987 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :set n to 0 < 1511578018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't control n, it's a function of the board size < 1511578165 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about HashLife, but wouldn't the intermediate states also have been computed and hashed? < 1511578176 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean? < 1511578201 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't know enough about it to make sense < 1511578269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hash" is a slightly silly name < 1511578285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it comes from "hash consing" or something < 1511579060 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1511580227 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511580751 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:24f3:5955:9ea9:df70 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511580844 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:7588:b00b:4ae8:4199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511581471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511583425 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511589111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511590728 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511591596 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511593869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511595148 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511596255 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511597946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511598432 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511599643 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511601512 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-flauebwvlpnngizg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511605395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53421&oldid=53420 5* 03Zseri 5* (+0) 10fix example < 1511605403 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C662.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511608228 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511612121 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511613786 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1511613837 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-170-235.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511614624 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53422&oldid=53376 5* 03Zseri 5* (+39) 10+Crement < 1511614669 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53423&oldid=53421 5* 03Zseri 5* (-8) 10fix 2nd line < 1511615751 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53424&oldid=53423 5* 03Zseri 5* (+14) 10fix example < 1511616246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Extensible Crement14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53425&oldid=53424 5* 03Zseri 5* (+0) 10s/E/X/ < 1511617488 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511617560 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511617598 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511618093 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511618303 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511619562 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511619712 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511619967 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511620486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511621724 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C662.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511624769 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511625823 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511625936 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511625970 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511626397 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53426&oldid=53414 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+166) 10Removed assignment, since it can be replicated in two instructions. < 1511626416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53427&oldid=53426 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1511626772 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511626795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53428&oldid=53427 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+6) 10 < 1511626818 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511627464 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fwhxzamsqiqpsryt JOIN :#esoteric < 1511627748 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511628487 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511629083 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511629527 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511629628 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511630077 0 :watered!~water@157.49.13.192 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511630266 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511630484 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511631026 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511631132 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53429&oldid=53422 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+16) 10/* B */ Basicfuck < 1511631307 0 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511631592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53430&oldid=53428 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-12) 10/* Headers */ < 1511632042 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.70.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511632042 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.70.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511632042 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511632525 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511632527 0 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1511632738 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1511633127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53431&oldid=53430 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+432) 10Replaced 'allocate' instruction with '#allocate' directive. < 1511633413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53432&oldid=53431 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-398) 10Undo revision 53431 by [[Special:Contributions/Rdococ|Rdococ]] ([[User talk:Rdococ|talk]]) < 1511634522 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53433&oldid=53432 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+399) 10Actually, I prefer the '#allocate' directives. < 1511634626 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello. < 1511634700 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511634707 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511634818 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo bin/*elcome < 1511634821 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/autowelcome bin/elcome bin/relcome bin/rwelcome bin/velcome bin/welcome bin/welcome bin/Welcome < 1511634831 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome somebody < 1511634832 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omebody: elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: . (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n Fnet r ALnet.) < 1511635038 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1511635056 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome I < 1511635057 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​: elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: . (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n Fnet r ALnet.) < 1511635068 0 :arjanb!~chatzilla@84-245-9-67.dsl.cambrium.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511635074 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric : ike `lcome < 1511636194 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1511636202 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should basicfuck have an 'if' conditional? < 1511636318 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53434&oldid=53433 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+136) 10Added an 'if' conditional. < 1511638072 0 :watered!~water@157.49.12.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511638164 0 :ATMunn!?@? NICK :ATMunn_ < 1511638180 0 :ATMunn_!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1511640548 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C662.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511641768 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511642039 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C662.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511642470 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511645239 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511645283 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511645591 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511645793 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511645988 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511646778 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511646834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511647006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511648069 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1511648088 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511648244 0 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511648384 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1511648384 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: replace the cygwin line by: < 1511648390 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: by? < 1511648391 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: javac is a fantastic exercise book in that sense scheme is continual too. < 1511648401 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, javac is not fantastic. < 1511648402 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sarahbot is very intelligent. :o http://www.deviantart.com/ deviation/ fnord < 1511648420 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: deviantart and sarahbot? you perv. < 1511648421 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: its not always true < 1511648426 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes you are. < 1511648515 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Do you think basicfuck should have an 'if' conditional? < 1511649046 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you think it should have one? < 1511649046 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the man page. that was only technical description of pasha. :) < 1511649241 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concept of basicfuck is to remove most temporary variables used in simple calculations, while still being generally weird and easy to compile to brainfuck. < 1511649254 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under those grounds, I think it should have one. < 1511649276 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511649316 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly with the optional 'inversion' modifier I'm adding to the 'if' and 'while' instructions to invert their normal behavior (while !(X) {code} will only run code while X *is* zero( < 1511649319 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: By the way, back in 2004 one of the channel regulars wrote something a little like that, except maybe a little more lower-level. < 1511649321 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/zero(/zero) < 1511649329 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I think I was linked to that. < 1511649367 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: However, there are a billion brainfuck derivatives, and many are even closer to brainfuck than my basicfuck would be to that language, so I think it's fine. < 1511649385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think it was called BFASM. Looks like a lot of references to it in the webs have died since then. < 1511649442 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53435&oldid=53434 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1033) 10 < 1511649619 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that the concept of the 'basicfuck directive' line at the beginning of each basicfuck file could be used in a brainfuck interpreter so that more brainfuck programs can be compatible with it. < 1511649624 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511649629 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511649663 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53436&oldid=53435 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-5) 10Minor terminology change. < 1511650153 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1511651153 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511651450 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloony. < 1511651865 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: Relloger. if it has to be, then maybe. else, it must not. < 1511654380 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1511655365 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511655603 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511655615 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511655910 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511655999 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, arjanb, my old nemesis < 1511656057 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e fits my log self search pattern) < 1511656075 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also helloily < 1511656193 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511656231 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily appears to have disapparated < 1511656250 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on in oerjanland? < 1511656368 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511657297 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1511657307 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not disapparated, just cooking and eating. < 1511657493 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ello. < 1511658093 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's procrastination all the way down hth < 1511658329 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! < 1511658417 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellørjan, hoily, hellopia, and helloony. < 1511658535 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Roger9 < 1511658536 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511658553 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you guys know that I'm rdococ, right? < 1511658560 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's an unfortunate fact, but... < 1511658572 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles Roger9 with joy and mirth
< 1511658587 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't think I'm liked that much here. < 1511658670 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rogellor < 1511658707 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonjørjan. < 1511658773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: i knew because i checked whois. < 1511658790 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and later your wiki edits made it rather obvious < 1511658798 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1511658809 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: you are welcome. also, I like mapoling you ^^ < 1511658821 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles boily back
< 1511659099 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: unless i'm confusing you with someone else i recall you complaining a lot about how disliked you were, which ironically was the only thing which really annoyed me. < 1511659142 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...huh. < 1511659733 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1511659738 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:ananas//ananas is the real pineapple. \ thé//Thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth. \ örjan//Örjan is the diæresed twin. He will punctuate your vöẅëls, and maybe a few other unsuspecting letters. \ vorpal//Vorpal writes software for boring machines. Really big ones. \ mornington crescent//Sorry, you < 1511659740 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1511659741 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: cannot read this wisdom until you've legally played Westminster. < 1511659761 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chess < 1511659762 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation. < 1511659777 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Move pineapples for great justice! < 1511659981 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511660377 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511660671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511661604 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this GURPS game we got dirty because the fire pit (fortunately with no fire) that we were hiding in was dirty. Later when getting clean, I decided to not clean the gold key we stole, for two reasons that might be useful in future. < 1511661805 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wanted to play dnd or gurps. But because of my personality game doesn't last long =( < 1511661835 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, can you elaborate how it won't last long due to personality then? < 1511661869 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go into too much details and other think that game is boring now < 1511661902 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play with the others who like that then, instead of who hate it. < 1511662218 0 :arjanb!~chatzilla@84-245-9-67.dsl.cambrium.nl QUIT :Quit: . < 1511662703 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This. I just. This. https://youtu.be/nfdEdE96En0 < 1511662720 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511662721 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb buying a hamburger < 1511662806 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511662868 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: what kind? meat? cheese? sauces? vegetable agreements? < 1511662900 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, electronic chair burger. < 1511663024 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a hamburger fit for fungots. are you human? < 1511663024 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fnord is scientific ( exponential) notation... would fnord also be a dominant to fnord people in taiwan are from china originally < 1511663054 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, yes, i am a moony. < 1511663095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ate a bacon burger today hth hth
< 1511663103 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1511663107 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-hth < 1511663116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh hth < 1511663249 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511663524 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thth dh hth. < 1511663525 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks "dimension" sounds weird with a short i
< 1511663544 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i trimension < 1511663577 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :immension < 1511663625 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :immersion < 1511663747 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :submersion? < 1511664659 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511664695 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511665199 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511665276 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One thing is if someone else look at our stuff, they will not find the gold key because now it is black instead of gold. Other thing is if now there are a lot of gold keys, it is easier to tell apart this one because it is dirty. And if it is mixed with dirty keys, we can clean them to find the gold one.) < 1511665387 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol steam's privacy system has holes < 1511665477 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: when dimension is abbreviated as dim, do you pronounce it like dime? < 1511665488 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/boily/oerjan/ < 1511665545 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/NnKGd < 1511665606 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if someone has their privacy settings set to not show their game inventory, you can still tell on a store page, whther they have that game < 1511665772 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a dim dimension, obviously. < 1511665819 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: THREADED CHICKEN < 1511665904 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1511666101 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511666267 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can tell what games shachaf owns by scrolling thru the games and looking for his icon < 1511666276 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/7aBXiGT < 1511666390 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: delete that screenshot twh < 1511666419 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511666440 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolok < 1511666551 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um probably. < 1511666559 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511666559 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1511666567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1511666607 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw the correct meme for that is "delet tis" < 1511666644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the correct moomin? < 1511666652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was too late to steal personal incriminating information about shachaf < 1511666655 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511666687 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was jsut that he plays stardew valley < 1511666701 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY *scribbles in notebook* < 1511666845 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm fairly certain is some kind of harvest moon ripoff anyway < 1511666872 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, not even an embarrasing game to own < 1511666920 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm.... I wonder if they know this security hole exists < 1511667121 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511667560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My GURPS character now has the power to light himself on fire as a free action, for up to ten seconds. This power can be used six times (after which it is permanently gone). < 1511667704 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was inadvertent; I saw a goat that was on fire, and I used my breath attack to cause them to sleep, and they did fall asleep but that also extinguished the fire, so I went to eat their blood, and when I was finish I found that I had this power, somehow. < 1511667741 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since my character is carrying many thing that can be damaged by the fire (including paper), therefore it would have to be put aside before using this power if not want it to be damaged. < 1511669202 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is useful when you're out of matches < 1511669616 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess so. < 1511669646 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to quickly undress < 1511669706 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that? < 1511669790 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming they're flammable you will be undressed after the self immoliation < 1511669847 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting the red-hot into red hot stripper < 1511669874 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you want to ruin the clothing. < 1511669915 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Did you play Factorio yet? < 1511669922 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1511669954 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get the demo for free if you like < 1511669958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives you a general idea of the jam < 1511670105 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'm downloading it... will take 40 minutes < 1511670111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1511670119 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're still using dial-up in Canada? < 1511670146 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get about 700 kb/s < 1511670162 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that bits or bytes? < 1511670168 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilobytes < 1511670176 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i think < 1511670194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, it's 400 MB?! < 1511670197 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was smaller < 1511670227 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :steams says 600 < 1511670229 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character wear cloth armour and a strapped shield, and is also carrying a book and writing equipment, and some money, and a lantern (for use in dark caves; he can see outside at night without it). < 1511670243 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and also a gold key. < 1511670271 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep steam downloading throttled by half or it hogs all the abndowidth and my ssh connections time out < 1511670323 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to loook into this "fiber" thing they keep sending us spam about < 1511670357 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they trying to sell you fiber bundles? < 1511670383 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fiber internet and cable < 1511670480 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how much flammable some of these things are? I know the paper will be flammable but others I don't know? < 1511670550 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well i assume cloth armour is natural fibres... < 1511670593 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that the lantern oil can burn < 1511670627 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PART #esoteric : < 1511670645 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511670695 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511670745 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1511670803 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about armour. < 1511670845 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GURPS book says it takes three seconds to add or remove one piece of armour, but I do not know if that is reasonable or not. < 1511670877 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have any armour then you can try and you can see how long it takes. < 1511670952 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511670989 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats about how long it takes me to remove my shirt < 1511671043 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A kittegory is just a small category. < 1511671046 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'kittegory': A kittegory is just a small category. < 1511671072 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? preorder < 1511671073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A preorder is just a small thin category. < 1511671175 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lightly swats shachaf with a fiber bundle -----###
< 1511671233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch tdnh < 1511671254 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your fiber bundle looks an awful lot like your usual swatter < 1511671288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's made of fibers < 1511671305 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever seen fiber optic concrete? its cool stuff < 1511671321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( only in the abstract ) < 1511671365 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get 50 MB/s for 100 $ a month < 1511671441 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 mb/S < 1511671531 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :millibits/siemens? < 1511671535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 50 mb/S < 1511671542 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: undefined symbol "mb". \ 50 m^2 s^-3 kg A^-2 (electric_resistance) mb (undefined symbol) < 1511671546 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1511671611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Nnections are measured in millibits per siemens. < 1511671613 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'nnection': Nnections are measured in millibits per siemens. < 1511671646 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But connections are measured in megabits per second < 1511671660 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1511671683 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why aren't nnections measured in millibytes per siemens? < 1511671688 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink ohm < 1511671690 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1511671691 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 m^2 s^-3 kg A^-2 (electric_resistance) < 1511671707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd nnection//s,bit,byte, < 1511671709 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnection//Nnections are measured in millibytes per siemens. < 1511671779 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are cheaper plans but obviously I would never even consider anything with a usage cap < 1511672193 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511673676 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511674810 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511676176 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511676256 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I got killed by beetle wolf things < 1511676296 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my machine gun ran out of bullets < 1511676391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( these wolves look buggy ) < 1511677175 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Should've defended better. < 1511677181 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defense isn't really a huge part of the game < 1511677197 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The aliens aren't very smart < 1511677207 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just get mad at you for polluting their planet < 1511678708 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511681158 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better way to draw a bezier curve other than by solving the cubic for X and Y? < 1511681722 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511683056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( a bezier way ) < 1511683614 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511683684 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever I did it does not even work quite right, whether because I made a mistake in the function to solve a cubic, or due to some other problem < 1511685290 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought people used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Casteljau%27s_algorithm for drawing Bezier curves < 1511685352 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511685374 0 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1511685451 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the Bezier curve subdivision that it entails < 1511685586 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://antigrain.com/research/adaptive_bezier/ < 1511685966 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511686097 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511686917 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511687266 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511687471 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511688488 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511688488 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511690445 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511690520 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511691402 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:475f:156d:57f:37d6:826c:d885 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511693370 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fwhxzamsqiqpsryt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511693473 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:5409:7167:c894:871d QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1511693596 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:1426:998c:b44b:81fb JOIN :#esoteric < 1511695500 0 :potato44!7a965110@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.150.81.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511695903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511699055 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:475f:156d:57f:37d6:826c:d885 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511699477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I was doing my non-military military service alternative and living in a student flat in Vantaa, I had a part-of-the-rent Internet service, and it entirely broke (disconnected) all SSH connections whenever I tried to download anything at "full speed". < 1511699483 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I had to set up some local traffic shaping with a bandwidth limit of 90% or so of the nominal speed, after which it was bearable. < 1511699699 0 :potato44!7a965110@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.150.81.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511699718 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511699756 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511700225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie < 1511700244 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying the other day that bandwidth should be measured in time/data instead of data/time < 1511700255 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mochaf. Yes, I think I remember that. < 1511700263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1511700266 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Sun Nov 26 04:44:23 2017 < 1511700277 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I've yet to sleepchaf < 1511700429 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days I have a nominally 113 s/GiB internet connection. < 1511700515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a long time, 113 seconds < 1511700561 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A gigabyte is a not-insignificant amount of data as well, if not quite "alot". < 1511700601 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of a middle school problem I saw in an article. < 1511700652 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tom and Dick working together can do a job in 2 hours. Tom and Harry can do the job in 4 hours. Dick and Harry can do the job in 4 hours. How long would it take Tom, Dick, and Harry to do the job?" < 1511701584 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511702574 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is the answer 2 hours, 4 hours, or a punchline about social organization? < 1511703167 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511703923 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511705546 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511705624 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1511705794 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511705830 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mghtbnuiaxpfqrtm JOIN :#esoteric < 1511705919 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ellokin, xaphellostel. < 1511705981 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relloger9. xaphellostel??? < 1511708021 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511708751 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoily, hibbu. < 1511709004 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:7d81:4f64:b805:e8d2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511709148 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511709262 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a concept for an esolang in which the only instruction is a Fredkin gate. < 1511710876 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511711505 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was saying the other day that bandwidth should be measured in time/data instead of data/time <-- huh, why? < 1511711534 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you do measure water flow in m^3 / s don't you? So I guess that makes sense < 1511711559 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it makes less sense < 1511711579 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't see why it should be time/data < 1511711588 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :illuminate me < 1511711603 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:7588:b00b:4ae8:4199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't actually matter, but usually we like derivatives with respect to time. < 1511711643 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously both could work yes, but I'm wondering why shachaf wants the opposite of that < 1511711986 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511712025 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511712443 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:7d81:4f64:b805:e8d2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511712455 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:7d81:4f64:b805:e8d2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511712521 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511712710 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511712710 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:7d81:4f64:b805:e8d2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511712787 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:68d5:4d1b:e41b:ff40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511712960 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:68d5:4d1b:e41b:ff40 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511713050 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: what is a Fredkin gate? < 1511713064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a billiard ball gate < 1511713090 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Vellorpal. maybe for downloads and uploads? “it takes me 5 s/MB to upload a picture to Dropbox” or something. < 1511713116 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Helloover. so physics engine to interpret programs? < 1511713140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's abstracted < 1511713152 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511713160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredkin_gate < 1511713161 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh... not even a sound system for ball collisions? simulated blue chalk? < 1511713182 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The Fredkin gate takes three inputs (A, B, and C). If A is true, then the gate swaps B with C (so it outputs (A, C, B)). Otherwise, it functions as an identity gate. < 1511713188 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what does boily mean? < 1511713188 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are all surreal numbers symmetric games? you find a local minimum every day around 0600. ( i don't like < 1511713193 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1511713199 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511713207 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, it all makes sense now. < 1511713213 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, the gate preserves the number of true values and false values in the result. < 1511713274 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly it's reversible < 1511713282 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it is a billiard ball gate, I expect billiard balls hth < 1511713325 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversible computing sounds nice, but are there applications? < 1511713388 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computing has that restrictions - you have all these unitary operators working on your state, which happen to be invertible < 1511713407 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511713443 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511713443 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a way to make this esolang concept Turing-complete without preventing it from being reversible. < 1511713444 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's other applications - energy effficiency, avoidance of side channels < 1511713461 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? effficiency < 1511713463 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :effficiency? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511713495 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1511713556 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511713670 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though for the latter applications you mostly want the property that the sum of the outputs is equal to the sum of inputs; for example, an andor gate (two outputs) would be fine despite not being reversible) < 1511713809 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads more about quantum things
< 1511713969 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( There should be a version of counterstrike that says "capitalists win" whenever a shot is fired. ) < 1511714073 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xkcd.com/873/ < 1511715067 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SLIDING CHICKEN < 1511715914 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511718996 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511719821 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:505c:bcec:3507:25dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1511719881 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511719928 0 :yurichev!~yurichev@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511719975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511720101 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511720509 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says "Analytical methods where a Bezier is intersected with each scan line involve finding roots of cubic polynomials and dealing with multiple roots, so they are not often used in practice." Well, I didn't see that before so I did not know that, and it is the method I was trying to use. I will look now at De Casteljau's algorithm and see what that says. < 1511723048 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason my method of finding the root didn't work was a mistake that now I fixed, so now it does work. < 1511723477 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the topic of the Fredkin gate, you could encode every boolean value as a pair of values - (1, 0) for true and (0, 1) for false - which would mean that you can invert a value without changing the number of 0s or 1s (which a Fredkin gate cannot do), among other things. < 1511723505 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:505c:bcec:3507:25dc QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511723681 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511724391 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511727640 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511727749 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do "and" with a fredkin gate? < 1511727829 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you would take the first part of the first input as "a" and the swapped other input as "b, c" < 1511728047 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an ifthenelse in the last component: (a,b,c) -> if a then (a,c,b) else (a,b,c). so if you have constants, you can use if a then b else 0 forlogical and. < 1511728127 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was referring specifically to the context with (1,0)=true and (0,1)=false < 1511728690 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what you have a negated xor, I think < 1511730680 0 :yurichev!~yurichev@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1511731126 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511731239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511731506 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511731670 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The answer is none of those, it's a real problem. < 1511731681 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Assuming work behaves linearly and so on. < 1511731697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I also think time/distance is a better unit (in some contexts) than distance over time. < 1511731727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just like people use litre/100km to measure fuel consumption, instead of km/litre < 1511731754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You pay time, and you get distance in return, so time/distance is the right unit for most calculations. < 1511731877 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511732010 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1511732262 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511732555 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511733502 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8766:1d1a:dd1f:c55:e055:5ae7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511733517 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8766:1d1a:dd1f:c55:e055:5ae7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511733558 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellaugur. < 1511733562 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :...byeaugur. < 1511733595 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought 2 hours was the "linear" answer. I mean, assuming Tom and Dick do the same amount of work/time (clearly they have to, since Tom+Harry do the same as Dick+Harry), then either one of them already do it in 4 hours alone, which means Harry doesn't do any work at all. < 1511733645 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, they all cooperate on the work < 1511733656 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's parallelizable < 1511733685 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did I write it wrong? < 1511733696 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1511733731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tom and Dick in 2 hours; Tom and Harry in 3 hours; Dick and Harry in 4 hours < 1511733738 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, that makes more sense. < 1511733763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was nonsense. < 1511733803 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a joke about either Harry being useless (doing 0 units of work/hour), or actively sabotaging things (any job involving Harry takes 4 hours). < 1511734006 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I get a CCNOT from the Fredkin gate using only one constant which can be used over and over again. http://sprunge.us/TcEN < 1511734148 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Where by "constant" I really mean a variable with a predefined initial state; is there a better short name for this? < 1511735548 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5805:d5ed:3698:8163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511735559 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a ccnot differ from a cnot? < 1511735605 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It checks the conjunction of two inputs. < 1511735698 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fundamental difference is that CNOT is affine (and affine functions are closed under compositions so CNOT by itself isn't very useful) and CCNOT is not affine (and in fact, universal). < 1511735787 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(affine: every output is the xor of a subset of inputs, possibly negated) < 1511735816 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is linear? < 1511735849 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear is doesn't have the optional negation < 1511735871 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does negation correspond to translation? < 1511735894 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because xor is addition, and 1 xor x is the negation of x < 1511735949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, xor is addition < 1511736087 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CNOT is actually linear. Affinity is natural because it's one of the criteria by Post: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_completeness#Characterization_of_functional_completeness ) < 1511736203 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you look closely you'll see that CCNOT needs constants to become functionally complete; it's false-preserving.) < 1511736271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the exterior algebra? < 1511736691 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5805:d5ed:3698:8163 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1511737120 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Malbranche14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53437&oldid=50554 5* 03Malbranche 5* (+173) 10Added references to some new Malbolge Unshackled programs < 1511739424 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511740003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511740822 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511740835 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511740940 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoily. < 1511740995 0 :yorick_!?@? NICK :yorick < 1511741075 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relloger9! < 1511741199 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mghtbnuiaxpfqrtm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511741233 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: KERNAL CHICKEN < 1511741345 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely out of ideas. Should I try forgetting about the whole idea of "brainstorming esolang ideas" for a while to see if an idea pops up? < 1511741371 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511741380 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a concept for a BF-like language in which the only conditional flow control requires programs to modify their own source code, but that's almost definitely been done before. < 1511741397 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the BF-like languages have been done < 1511741403 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511741404 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make an unlambda clone for a change! < 1511741433 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: The "BF-likeness" is only in the syntax, though. There'd be no tape, no tape pointer, because the only memory would be the code itself. < 1511741456 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511741717 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1511741722 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:physiology//Physiology looks confusingly like psychology when written in English. \ tile shuffling//Tile shuffve games. ly addictie basis of many highling is th \ this sentence//This sentence is just. Taneb invented it. \ craptimum//A craptimum is a non-optimal optimum. \ evil throne//The evil throne belongs to oerjan, when he's not b < 1511741722 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1511741723 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:eing overthrone. He rarely sits on it, though, since that time it tried to eat him. < 1511742241 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511742428 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511742579 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511742609 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. have a seat hth < 1511742618 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1511742758 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits evil throne < 1511742766 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän oerjän < 1511742815 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1511742902 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511742909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjana < 1511742910 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjana? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511742911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1511742912 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1511742984 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant even remember what the original version was anymore < 1511743029 0 :Neomex!~Neomex@net-37-117-41-170.cust.vodafonedsl.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1511743049 0 :Neomex!~Neomex@net-37-117-41-170.cust.vodafonedsl.it PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1511743114 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : reversible computing sounds nice, but are there applications? <-- it can theoretically work around landauer's principle and thus has no minimum energy need for computation < 1511743189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like every other innovative chip design, it has no chance to beat intel economically. < 1511743211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, the big guys) < 1511743212 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511743215 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511743233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you like the mill twh < 1511743319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not overly acquainted with it < 1511743333 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511743346 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell¶rjan. right. < 1511743353 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1511743395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Malbolge Unshackled14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53438&oldid=52811 5* 03Malbranche 5* (+82) 10/* External resources */ Added link to interpreter written in C < 1511743426 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511743426 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1511743426 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 270008Z 25010KT 3SM -SN FEW009 BKN012 OVC025 M03/M07 A2988 RMK SF1SF5SC3 SF TR SLP123 < 1511743997 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL < 1511743997 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 262352Z 33006KT 10SM FEW180 11/M03 A3013 RMK AO2 SLP207 T01111028 10172 20111 53002 < 1511744556 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1511744557 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 270050Z 12007KT CAVOK M07/M08 Q1002 RMK WIND 670FT 15006KT < 1511745238 0 :fizzie!?@? 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The [High Court of Chivalry] was last convened in 1954 for the case of Manchester Corporation v Manchester Palace of Varieties Ltd; prior to this, the Court had not sat for two centuries and before hearing the case, the Court first had to rule whether it still existed." < 1511748737 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BLuE CHICKEN < 1511749855 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511751235 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511753089 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511753631 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:7588:b00b:4ae8:4199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511753721 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511753976 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511754276 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e quintopia: Where by "constant" I really mean a variable with a predefined initial state; is there a better short name for this? <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancilla_bit < 1511754276 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1511754367 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that variable mutable? < 1511754389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1511754458 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp has defparameter < 1511754672 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: this is in the context of reversible computing < 1511754696 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and quantum) < 1511754849 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutnauq computing? < 1511755001 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computing is already reversible < 1511755037 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is true, but it bothers me that the word is not < 1511760881 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solve() function in http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/raw/ff-bezier.c?name=52838c1177c669195f2bbb8e78adc917d47a3972 seem a bit messy to me, with all of the if/else, some cases involving trigonometry, etc. But, it does seem to work from what I can tell. < 1511761219 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511761631 0 :jojo_!uid265531@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iubvchbwqehsjxet JOIN :#esoteric < 1511761786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still seemed easier to me than the other stuff that I had read after already implementing this (I just had the idea to do it by solving cubics, so I looked up solving cubics in Wikipedia, and then figured out the rest by myself), but, I don't really know for sure. < 1511762154 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511762330 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511762414 0 :jojo_!uid265531@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iubvchbwqehsjxet QUIT : < 1511762584 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511764388 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511764867 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511764925 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511767053 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511767370 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511768289 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511769052 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511769385 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511769693 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511769743 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1511770895 0 :^arcade_droid!~arcade_dr@unaffiliated/arcade-droid/x-4286778 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511770938 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511770945 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jcsbeoutgyymtfot QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511771762 0 :zarcade_droid!~arcade_dr@telg.xyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1511771918 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vxgicvpsoxpdzgxb JOIN :#esoteric < 1511772502 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/eFpRBy3 < 1511773696 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever implemented Bezier curves? < 1511775151 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511775218 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-heyjvcjxrcbcalzs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511775351 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511778591 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511778847 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511781357 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511781482 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1511781482 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1511781548 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511782204 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511782468 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511783502 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511783628 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511784573 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: food < 1511784899 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511785249 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CLOUDY CHICKEN < 1511785739 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you want solving cubics on doubles in a numerically stable way, I recommend to steal the function gsl_poly_solve_cubic from GSL, provided its Gnu GPL licencing isn't a problem. < 1511785747 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/ < 1511785829 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511785963 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't recommend writing your own unless you really understand the theory, because it's very easy to mess up the specifics and write a function that in some cases produces large errors < 1511785998 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the function in gsl is easy to extract, it doesn't require to pull in the whole library < 1511786491 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511786558 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511786883 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511788836 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511789666 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511793561 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511793850 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511794160 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511794993 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511795003 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511795209 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511795940 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511797234 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511797895 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511797925 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511799350 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tables14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53439&oldid=53238 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (+1603) 10 < 1511799624 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511800922 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511801107 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511801134 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1511803566 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my function would be easily enough to replace it look like. I will look at that to see how that one differs from mine < 1511803956 0 :yurichev!~yurichev@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511804306 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511804306 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511804662 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511805954 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig JOIN :#esoteric < 1511806743 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see now, they also use trigonometry in some cases. There are other similarities too to what I wrote. My "Delta0" is what they called "q", and my "Delta1" is their "r". < 1511807095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511808390 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511808957 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:519d:f651:bfa8:e83c:ad61:3e22 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511809270 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511809426 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511809441 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511809507 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511809619 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511809681 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511810441 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here familiar with block cellular automata? i'd like to know if there's a way to convert a given block ca to a non-block ca < 1511812939 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511814190 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll say a bit about why i want one: it's very easy to create a block ca that's reversible, or to determine that a given block ca is reversible < 1511814212 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to design a reversible non-block ca, and determining whether a given non-block ca is reversible (or finding its inverse rule) is undecidable < 1511814238 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be interesting to create a reversible block ca, then split it in to a pair of non-block cas that were inverses of each other < 1511814254 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig PRIVMSG #esoteric :given only one of those non-block cas it would be computationally infeasible to find the other, which could form the basis of a public key crypto system < 1511814316 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are already a few systems for symmetric key cryptography with reversible ca) < 1511816294 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511816481 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511817111 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511817834 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511818020 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511818179 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511818614 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511818746 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511818768 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511818975 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511818986 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511820033 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511821660 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511822951 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511823022 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoily. < 1511823200 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relloger9! < 1511823447 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511823491 0 :yurichev!~yurichev@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1511823613 0 :ItsNovaHere!187229fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.114.41.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511823621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511823626 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511823846 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511823850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511824159 0 :ItsNovaHere!187229fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.114.41.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511824973 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1511825925 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is like a chicken, full of metaphors that don't make sense < 1511825932 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? life < 1511825934 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​‘Life,’ said Marvin, ‘don't talk to me about life.’ < 1511826165 0 :LeoLambda!Leo@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe3e:12c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511826825 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is like half a grapefruit. < 1511826831 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BLITZ CHICKEN < 1511827281 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does a credit card payment to someone else take 3-5 business days but transferring money to my credit card is instantaneous? < 1511827347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transferring money to my credit card takes as much as any ACH transfer. < 1511827358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's within the same bank maybe. < 1511827565 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they are both with TD < 1511827582 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TD credit card and TD checking account < 1511827928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's probably because the bank can do internal transfers easily. < 1511828057 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511828077 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511828193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511828411 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :xffff < 1511828546 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511828546 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511829293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511829963 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I use TwoDucks to obtain information about Feather? < 1511830023 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# lambdas are like constants with a limited form of return-type polymorphism, right? < 1511830053 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can be a function or an expression tree < 1511830063 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unsober on sleep deprivation < 1511830311 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger9: sounds plausible. < 1511830319 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511830337 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511830398 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :One concept I had was one similar to one-bit-per-cell brainfuck, but (1) input would be written to the tape before the program begins, (2) output would be the tape at the end, and (3) rather than a bit flip or toggle, you'd only be able to swap two cell values. < 1511830412 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you could, say, swap the value of cell 1 with the value of cell 2. < 1511830465 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'd be a swap instruction - maybe @ - that would, when first called, fill a SWAP register with a pointer to the current cell. if it's called with the register full, it would swap the cell that the register points to with the current cell, and then clear the register. < 1511832139 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow you have to design your I/0 scheme so that all possible outputs have the same number of zeroes and ones as all possible inputs < 1511832166 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its definitely not turing complete < 1511832174 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may be an lba < 1511832179 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is < 1511832241 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of zeroes, due to the fact that the tape is infinite, is infinite, but the number of ones can't be changed < 1511832254 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "unbounded" anyway < 1511832305 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511832578 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511832757 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it tc if the tape was ...010101010101011010101... < 1511832773 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore that double 1 < 1511832792 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be trivial to convert between that and brainfuck if the tape was initialized with repeated 01 < 1511832809 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can represent 1 as 10, and 0 as 01 < 1511832843 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, to toggle a bit, you'd swap the two. so "+" would become "@>@<", and ">" would become ">>" since we're using two cells to represent a toggleable bit < 1511832882 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :in principle, the input could initialize the tape with enough 1s to do the calculation with < 1511832894 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the input can't be infinite < 1511833313 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why its an LBA, not TC < 1511833429 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :another possibility for TC is ...000000000....0000inputsection111111...11111111... < 1511833621 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53440 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1369) 10Created page with "'''Swapfuck''' is a derivative of [[brainfuck]] by [[User:Rdococ]], which shares some similarities with [[boolfuck]]. == Differences from brainfuck == * Input is loaded into..." < 1511833674 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53441&oldid=53403 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+98) 10 < 1511833749 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BASICER14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53442&oldid=46700 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-147) 10 < 1511833792 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BASICER14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53443&oldid=53442 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-81) 10 < 1511833827 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BASICER14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53444&oldid=53443 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-183) 10 < 1511834074 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does basicer have a pause ? < 1511834085 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53445&oldid=53441 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+181) 10 < 1511834087 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm < 1511834091 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1511834111 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see why. < 1511834182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53446&oldid=53445 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+15) 10BASICER has unbounded input, but it is most definitely a bounded storage machine. < 1511834237 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah otherwise the user would have to type 1 to continue < 1511834278 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a GOTO with only one argument goes there without asking the use.r < 1511834280 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :user.* < 1511834315 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad. they would have to type 1 or 2 to continue < 1511834347 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add categories to swapfuck < 1511834379 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53447&oldid=53446 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-6) 10QWOP can print anything (and print things on a loop, or otherwise not halt), but it can only receive a single character of input, which means it's most likely a BSM with bounded input. < 1511834393 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1511834399 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting about categories < 1511834507 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53448&oldid=53440 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+135) 10Added categories. Delicious. < 1511834544 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :basicfuck needs delicious categories too < 1511834615 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Do you think basicfuck is low-level? (It's a somewhat abstracted language that compiles to brainfuck). < 1511834621 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53449&oldid=53436 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+80) 10 < 1511834643 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53450&oldid=53448 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+35) 10 < 1511834944 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is usually categorized as such < 1511834961 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i dont know < 1511834963 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1511834973 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :your choice < 1511835001 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language is pretty simple. It's designed to reduce the need for temporary variables, which get taken care of by the compiler. < 1511835183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basicfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53451&oldid=53449 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+93) 10 < 1511835277 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the moment, I've added the low-level category template to the basicfuck article. I'm not sure that actually suits it, though. < 1511836177 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511836433 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody that makes a brainfuck derivative will die... < 1511836436 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :...eventually. :P < 1511837120 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:50ab:92cc:9c:7897:3f62:8f89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511837651 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511837865 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511837883 0 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellerkin, waterello. < 1511837949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that < 1511838032 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511838166 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511838254 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511839795 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511839969 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511840135 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511840353 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511841859 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy QUIT :Quit: Divided by zero < 1511841989 0 :xa0!~zeta@unaffiliated/uoy JOIN :#esoteric < 1511842457 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:50ab:92cc:9c:7897:3f62:8f89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511842556 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511843233 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511844164 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511845607 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How's Ada going? < 1511845690 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at it in a while < 1511845760 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511846158 0 :variable!?@? NICK :trout < 1511846752 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511847190 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511847570 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511848986 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511849069 0 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511851082 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511851926 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511853330 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4647:889a:2446:c551:a911:58bb JOIN :#esoteric < 1511853429 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511854302 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4647:889a:2446:c551:a911:58bb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511854785 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511857538 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, it's been more than two weeks since the last olist < 1511857578 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511857749 0 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1511859018 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1511859233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1511859236 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1511859243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/pt/ek/ < 1511859245 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1511860022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ineek < 1511860023 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineek? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511860032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn ineek < 1511860033 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "ineek". < 1511860085 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511860790 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511860854 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzybrccylmnlseig QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511860976 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511861957 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511867644 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511868917 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511869587 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1511869592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:something-that-isn't-in-hackego's-wisdom//It is now. \ sgeo//Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments. \ oic//OIC, OIC means Oh I see. \ for further details for futher de < 1511869593 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1511869593 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:tails.//See `? for further details for futher details. \ veetan//Veetans are a race of cuddly, yet sturdy aliens in the Drive comic. Their maximum lifespan is 25 years, but they use it well. < 1511869629 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1511869631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use it well? < 1511869638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i using my lifespan well? < 1511869640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help tdnh < 1511869702 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can use your lifespan well to acquire lifespan from the lifespan table! < 1511870037 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1511870412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How does that work? < 1511870435 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's quite a simple pulley system, actually < 1511870453 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you turn the handle, a rope coils or uncoils, raising or lowering a bucket < 1511870458 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A well W is said to be /lifespan/ if there exists a nonempty collection of lives L for which W is contained in span(L). < 1511870660 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ance < 1511870661 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol < 1511870671 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :viol < 1511870684 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 \? ance < 1511870685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance. < 1511870694 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :attendance, with an "a". ok. < 1511870726 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling a lot of this is based on what conjugation a verb in Latin is < 1511870744 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Wouldn't W be "lifespanned"? < 1511870778 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think it's mostly based on old french, and french and english took most of the words from there. latin didn't have half of those words. < 1511870780 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe if it was equality rather than subset < 1511870780 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :"insto" is first conjugation, hence "instans" => "instance" < 1511870790 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo' insto' < 1511870792 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they might be somehow remotely basd on latin or something < 1511870795 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :"existo" is third declension, hence "existens" => "existence" < 1511871009 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, balans is a Latin word but it means something completely different < 1511871102 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a lot, possibly most, but certainly not all, are as I thought < 1511872079 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf, Tanelle, Chello, b_jellonas. < 1511872098 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo instizzle ma nizzle. < 1511872148 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: UNSTABLE CHICKEN < 1511874497 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511877125 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511877318 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511877337 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511877930 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511878002 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511878191 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511878206 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511880132 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511881423 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:477f:5788:dd5a:80bd:7714:7d36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511882007 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C4C2.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511882134 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C4C2.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1511882134 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1511882659 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53452&oldid=53400 5* 03Zseri 5* (+60) 10+plugin loading < 1511882681 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C4C2.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a plugin system to XTW. < 1511883048 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511883212 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511884205 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:477f:5788:dd5a:80bd:7714:7d36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1511884280 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:454d:5b73:5169:35c9:5038:cb8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511884385 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511884705 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511885590 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511887756 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511888050 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:4575:2ebd:e993:6938:c7:bfd1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511888321 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:454d:5b73:5169:35c9:5038:cb8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511888581 0 :sleffy!sleffy@nat/google/x-gofcxdsnumgpvglb JOIN :#esoteric < 1511888756 0 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:4575:2ebd:e993:6938:c7:bfd1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511889602 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien/Compilers14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53453 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+167) 10Created page with "Index of "compilers". Here I write "higher level" languages that compile down into esoteric languages. # [[User:Conor O'Brien/Compilers/Quartic|Quartic]] → [[4]]" < 1511889609 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53454&oldid=52566 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+50) 10 < 1511890398 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1511890664 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511890861 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejuxhbhiqgikpkmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1511891658 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511892355 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511892651 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1511892663 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511892664 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511892771 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511892772 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511892814 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511892833 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511892933 0 :watered!~water@2405:204:539d:fb28:7091:9562:14fe:ed9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511892951 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511893033 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511893033 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511893094 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.codes/post/167978996903/ais523-interview-2017 < 1511893324 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511894059 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such fame < 1511894174 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511894229 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511894572 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511895045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh... let me look < 1511896364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien/Compilers/Quartic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53455 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+4266) 10Created page with "Quartic is a language designed to compile to the language [[4]]. Written in Ruby, the compiler can be found [https://gist.github.com/ConorOBrien-Foxx/02bb95b48a143e26b6331fc8a..." < 1511897347 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently modern compilers don't emit any of the special string instructions when compiling strcmp, strcat, etc < 1511897391 0 :sleffy!sleffy@nat/google/x-gofcxdsnumgpvglb QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511897498 0 :LeoLambda!Leo@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe3e:12c3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait really? I don't think that's true at all. < 1511897502 0 :LeoLambda!Leo@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe3e:12c3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC certainly does < 1511897571 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1511897571 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511898329 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, at least when optimizing for speed, but it depends on what exact cpu generation you're optimizing for < 1511898463 0 :sleffy!sleffy@nat/google/x-efsgdhrcvdhdczld JOIN :#esoteric < 1511898561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53456&oldid=53369 5* 03B jonas 5* (+120) 10link interview < 1511898884 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511898929 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a typo in that interview, at "The niceness of a language that has a very simple implementation like this is that it’s easy to precisely specify how it works in both However," < 1511899014 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511899062 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed a few typos < 1511899289 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should find time to work on that esolang I want to create < 1511899358 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I even know now how to prove that it (the esolang I want to make) can efficiently simulate a pointer machine (not just a Turing-machine, which I knew it could simulate) < 1511901629 0 :sleffy!sleffy@nat/google/x-efsgdhrcvdhdczld QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511901894 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1511901894 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1511901915 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1511901927 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511901981 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1511902051 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511902072 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@ic2.hellomouse.cf QUIT :Changing host < 1511902072 0 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1511902552 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1511902668 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511902676 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511903217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1106 < 1511903218 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1106: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1511904563 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511905144 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:f4c9:1f1d:5a5:973 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511905940 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511906401 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C4C2.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511906602 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511906670 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511906769 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511907545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511907549 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Ancilla thanks! < 1511907549 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1511908218 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511908295 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511908822 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:f4c9:1f1d:5a5:973 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1511908981 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.70.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511908981 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.165.70.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511908981 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511909153 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1511910021 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:c83b:d84d:720:61b8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511910827 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511911291 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2620:101:80fb:232:c83b:d84d:720:61b8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511911292 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511911460 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1511911561 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511912313 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511912369 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511912953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511913011 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1511914257 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.39.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511915000 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1511915361 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.39.77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511915520 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.39.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511915878 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-gold < 1511915878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 2h 18m 48s ago: Ancilla thanks! < 1511915916 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? @messages < 1511915917 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@messages? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1511915919 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? @messages-loud < 1511915920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond // @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found // @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold < 1511915937 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jade plate / six, eight < 1511915945 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511916044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-mold < 1511916044 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1511916254 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1511916255 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1511916271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/knite/loud poet/ < 1511916273 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1511916415 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@172.56.39.77 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511916486 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511916623 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1511916671 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511916743 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511916812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm b_jonas edited your user page. it's probably innocent, but still not something we do... < 1511916870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, you're way overqualified for a main space article. < 1511916877 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1511916898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, can we get you a main space article? < 1511916913 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd edit it every day hth < 1511916928 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm mostly just amused that b_jonas edited in one interview and not the other one < 1511916934 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511916941 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Editing ais523's user page to refer to him in third person is a bit odd. < 1511916946 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it'd be a poor admin who doesn't keep up with edits to their own user page) < 1511916957 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, something like that should be in articlespace really < 1511916968 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i already have one hth < 1511916979 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, helloochaf, his523. < 1511916993 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So you do. < 1511917004 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was an empty promise, I'll just continue editing the other wiki page. < 1511917019 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I could pass the CAPTCHA and make a wiki user. < 1511917146 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to do an admin captch override for you? < 1511917147 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're having trouble with the CAPTCHE, i suggest discussing how to get through it with totallyhuman < 1511917155 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*admin captcha override < 1511917163 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who isn't here, anyway.) < 1511917169 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is an actual thing, I used to be one of the main admins doing them over at Wikipedia) < 1511917230 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*A < 1511917244 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't really want an account. < 1511917249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should have pretended he was doing italian plural
< 1511917249 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd start feeling obligated to edit things < 1511917261 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also why I don't edit Wikipedia, and instead make oerjan do my dirty work for me. < 1511917276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But then elliott got mad at me for that so I stopped doing it.) < 1511917337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while, then. < 1511917358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1511917482 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ヘ＼＼オレン＼. https://youtu.be/3pKESMsMQBw < 1511918549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1511918553 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:flu shot//Flu shots are usually available from some time in the first half of November. \ itay//Itay is Christmas in Italy. \ adu//Do you know adu? Adu adu adu adu adu! \ facebook//Facebook is Taneb's face collection. \ hand//A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird. < 1511918602 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits facebook < 1511918611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mromän < 1511918774 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1511918775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1511918782 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, omnidryad! < 1511918787 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you tap for green mana? < 1511918800 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's a little personal, don't you think? < 1511918831 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never actually played MtG hth < 1511918846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor have most MtG creatures, I suspect < 1511918856 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1511918857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/ss/nc/ < 1511918858 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. < 1511918985 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Superchargedcoffee 5* 10New user account < 1511919030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pronounces "Roald Dahl" with a strong trill
< 1511919050 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's definition 6 here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mince < 1511919076 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought Dahl was Norwegian. < 1511919080 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name omnidryad < 1511919081 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1511919083 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So presumably your pronunciation is correct. < 1511919088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name dryad < 1511919088 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dryad Arbor \ Land Creature -- Forest Dryad \ 1/1 \ (Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has "{T}: Add {G} to your mana pool.") \ [Green color indicator.] \ FUT-U, V12-M \ \ Dryad Militant \ (g/w) \ Creature -- Dryad Soldier \ 2/1 \ If an instant or sorcery card would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, exile < 1511919092 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes but we don't usually trill that much < 1511919101 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*card* < 1511919102 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/card-by-name \ bin/random-card < 1511919116 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps the trill for a second or so
< 1511919121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card dryad.*\{T\} < 1511919122 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dryad Arbor \ Land Creature -- Forest Dryad \ 1/1 \ (Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has "{T}: Add {G} to your mana pool.") \ [Green color indicator.] \ FUT-U, V12-M < 1511919144 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, all the dryads in Magic and it picks /that/ one? < 1511919159 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card dryad < 1511919159 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vine Dryad \ 3G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 1/3 \ Flash \ Forestwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Forest.) \ You may exile a green card from your hand rather than pay Vine Dryad's mana cost. \ MM-R < 1511919166 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card dryad < 1511919167 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclave Naturalists \ 4G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 4/4 \ When Conclave Naturalists enters the battlefield, you may destroy target artifact or enchantment. \ ORI-U < 1511919169 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card dryad < 1511919169 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oakheart Dryads \ 2G \ Enchantment Creature -- Nymph Dryad \ 2/3 \ Constellation -- Whenever Oakheart Dryads or another enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, target creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn. \ JOU-C < 1511919172 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dryad arbor is the most bestest dryad ever. < 1511919172 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card dryad < 1511919172 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unseen Walker \ 1G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 1/1 \ Forestwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Forest.) \ {1}{G}{G}: Target creature gains forestwalk until end of turn. \ MI-U, 6E-U < 1511919175 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card dryad < 1511919175 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wormwood Dryad \ 2G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 3/1 \ {G}: Wormwood Dryad gains forestwalk until end of turn and deals 1 damage to you. (It can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Forest.) \ {B}: Wormwood Dryad gains swampwalk until end of turn and deals 1 damage to you. (It can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Swamp.) < 1511919184 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't like Dryad Arbor? < 1511919184 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conclude that dryads don't normally tap for {G} < 1511919188 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although of course they can < 1511919193 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do, but it's somewhat infamous < 1511919199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think any permanent cacn tap for {G} < 1511919201 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely the most famous Dryad by far < 1511919211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only one I could think of offhand < 1511919214 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird, because it should have been a Treefolk really < 1511919217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I haven't even used it. < 1511919240 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can set things up to allow any permanent to tap for {G} but most of them don't without a lot of help < 1511919246 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name carven caryatid < 1511919247 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carven Caryatid \ 1GG \ Creature -- Spirit \ 2/5 \ Defender (This creature can't attack.) \ When Carven Caryatid enters the battlefield, draw a card. \ RAV-U < 1511919253 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it draws cards < 1511919256 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it might be another {G}-tapper < 1511919310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53457&oldid=53394 5* 03Superchargedcoffee 5* (+502) 10Introduction < 1511919872 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53458&oldid=52810 5* 03Superchargedcoffee 5* (+161) 10/* Looks Like */ < 1511920294 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511920408 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53459&oldid=53458 5* 03Superchargedcoffee 5* (+0) 10moved my previous edit to correct location < 1511922016 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511922241 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511923507 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: AREA CHICKEN < 1511925293 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9c4d:86ce:5015:1dee JOIN :#esoteric < 1511925393 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1511925511 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511925574 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9c4d:86ce:5015:1dee QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1511925595 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511925646 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-79-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511927943 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511927967 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511928075 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511928287 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511928363 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511928443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1511932200 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511932367 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511933576 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511938508 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511938669 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511938745 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1511939174 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1511939679 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511940911 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejuxhbhiqgikpkmx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1511941503 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511941525 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511941868 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511942017 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511942135 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1511944468 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511945868 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511946807 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:cd31:9119:c5c4:7125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511947331 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511947353 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511948001 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511948537 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ais523: hm b_jonas edited your user page. it's probably innocent, but still not something we do..." => is it? should I create a main namespace page describing ais523 in third person instead? < 1511948571 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oerjan: I'm mostly just amused that b_jonas edited in one interview and not the other one" => I added the newer interview, which shows what esolanging you do now. < 1511949739 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511949764 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511950029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1511950235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ais52314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53460 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1553) 10Created page with "'''ais523''' is a European mathematician and esoteric language creator. His most famous creation is [[Underload]], but he has a lot of other interesting languages listed on [..." < 1511950258 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53461&oldid=53456 5* 03B jonas 5* (-120) 10rv. I created a main space page instead. < 1511950415 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511950436 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511950618 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511950828 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511951188 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511951188 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1511955444 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511957436 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang talk:Funding14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53462&oldid=53415 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+503) 10/* Discussion */ Offer you can refuse, but probably shouldn't. < 1511957604 0 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511958034 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CAT CHICKEN < 1511958073 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was 1106 olisted yet? < 1511958126 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was < 1511958365 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511958433 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:cd31:9119:c5c4:7125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511959419 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:44b1:ea56:87a6:30ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1511959778 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511960699 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.155.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511960699 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.155.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511960699 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511960701 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511960947 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.155.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511960947 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.155.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511960947 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511960950 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Excess Flood < 1511961422 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.155.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1511961422 0 :garit!~garit@188.29.164.155.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1511961422 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1511962360 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511962451 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511962492 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511962879 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511963297 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1511964029 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511964460 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511964572 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511965704 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1511967880 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511968898 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:44b1:ea56:87a6:30ee QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511969306 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:1426:998c:b44b:81fb QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel < 1511969660 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511970026 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511970391 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511971229 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511972616 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47C.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511974309 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511974953 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1511975756 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511976064 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511976873 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe94.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511976947 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511977305 0 :hkgit03!?@? NICK :laerling < 1511977311 0 :laerling!?@? NICK :Laerling < 1511977682 0 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:41ee:1017:b2ad:9e63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511978716 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-177-44.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511978857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XTW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53463&oldid=53452 5* 03Zseri 5* (+205) 10+var assign cmd 'a' < 1511979148 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511979621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1511979839 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnzt_4fvLjI < 1511980311 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1511981016 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53464&oldid=40879 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+178) 10/* Instructions */ < 1511981057 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53465&oldid=53464 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (-29) 10Portal is not Turing complete < 1511981436 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1511981920 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1511981941 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511982008 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511982025 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard way to express currency for a given year? (ISO 4217-ish, preferably) < 1511982042 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1511982046 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1511982058 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as something like '$currency_code$year $quantity' < 1511982065 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like < 1511982068 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :invariant dollars? < 1511982074 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe?? < 1511982086 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean expressing the value of a given currency for a particular year < 1511982090 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[alt]: you mean like say "in USD, inflation adjusted to 2000" < 1511982092 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1511982097 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't know, no < 1511982099 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's it \oren\ < 1511982130 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one problem is that there are different ways to measure and adjust for inflation < 1511982146 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...true < 1511982155 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to use a subscript year on the currency for now < 1511982206 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah comparing money at two dates isn't really an exact science < 1511982217 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's a lot of things that factor in < 1511982223 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, true < 1511982237 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one common method is like < 1511982247 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Median man-hour salary to buy common commodities? < 1511982292 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean my perception of inflation is kinda skewed because I only really remember how much candy bars used to cost but there are other factors in that < 1511982323 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: One type of indicator is a 'basket indicator', which is basically just 'if I wanted to buy similar items in any given year, how much would it cost me?' < 1511982370 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1511982402 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chocolate bar used to cost one dollar, tax included. nowadays it costs a dollar 30 or something < 1511982406 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my favorites is the Christmas Price Index (CPI), which is the cost of 12 partridges, 12 pear trees, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, etc. < 1511982428 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always buy the same thing at McDonalds < 1511982433 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten years ago it was ~6€ < 1511982437 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-79-141.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it is 9 < 1511982467 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course my dad told me a chocolate bar used to cost a dime < 1511982478 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sooooo unfair < 1511982513 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: When I was your age, you could go to the store with a quarter, buy a loaf of bread and 3 candy bars, and still have a dollar fifty left over... < 1511982530 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean really lol < 1511982677 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When I was your age, a million dollars was a small loan" "No, it wasn't." < 1511982907 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( when you reach my age, a million dollars will be a small loan ) < 1511983284 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511983794 0 :hppavilion[alt]!4a72574f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.114.87.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1511983914 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-177-44.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1511984392 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47C.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently think about a programming language, which can determine if a function will halt, but doesn't allow this detection if this function is in the call stack, which should be solvable. < 1511984396 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511984426 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47C.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the halting problem wouldn't occur in this language < 1511984975 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511987697 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1511987891 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any objections here re taking the free hosting for the wiki that we were offered? < 1511987980 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it come with any strings attached? < 1511987997 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't been following (but I've seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Funding )
< 1511988033 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute company name btw < 1511988117 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has strings, they're not visible. I mean, I guess there sort of is an inherent string in any such offer that it'd take effort to move away if they reconsider. < 1511988153 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking stuff like sponsor links. < 1511988182 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said they'd appreciate a "tasteful, understated" (quoting myself) link back from somewhere, which I think would be reasonable anyway, but didn't imply one was required. < 1511988200 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sounds fair < 1511988240 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We've got that "powered by mediawiki" button hanging there already, for example, and it's arguably a similar sort of thing.) < 1511988404 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd worry if they mandated anything, and object if it were a prominent banner (or even third party banner ads) < 1511988421 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as is it sounds good to me < 1511988429 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're talking along the lines of "Hosting provided by Foo Bar Inc" down at the bottom of the page... *shrug* < 1511988512 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If user CSS can get rid of such notices and it won't take up so much bandwidth, then it isn't so much of a problem. < 1511988745 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not want to store the authentication data you could use OpenID, although, not everyone will have OpenID (even though I do). < 1511988838 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... if CaC is trustworthy enough... < 1511988842 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1511988954 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was going to say I definitely don't trust them *less* than CaC. (Though if the OpenID MediaWiki extension is considered mature/stable and there would be >1 user, we could enable it anyway. Would have to investigate.) < 1511989034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, OK < 1511989389 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know if there is any "RDF-based user registration system" extension for MediaWiki or for any other programs. Many stuff can auto fill in by this way, including copying from any other service that you are registered on if they also support RDF. You can then auto fill real name, email, and any other fields you decide to make up, and even OpenID if applicable, etc < 1511989510 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NESdev forum now has the ability to link to your RDF data in your user profile (at my request), but there is no ability to auto-fill your profile from it, to register using it, or to export it to RDF. < 1511989566 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( they need blockchain technology to make it work ) < 1511989577 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of blockchains? < 1511989577 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 89715 is totally uncool. < 1511989591 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1511989591 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1511989594 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1511990484 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1511992265 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47C.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1511992266 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C47C.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511992298 0 :kionagi!~kionagi@y157251.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1511992861 0 :kionagi!~kionagi@y157251.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511993616 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1983:1e4a:1169:5af1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511993905 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1983:1e4a:1169:5af1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1511994093 0 :Laerling!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe94.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1511994341 0 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511994359 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1511995039 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511996064 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1511996321 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1511996351 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn3y1oqq418jn.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1511999427 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512000384 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you eat mice? < 1512000385 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i had actually forgotten about that. couldn't have been ' foo drops packets with any ecn flags set'. save it similarily to `circe-chat-target', since i expect to pick up < 1512000402 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: they are plentyful and tasty! in season! organic! < 1512000402 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think he's snoring from the room. the south of the border between generics and duck typing, interfaces are inherent in the system. < 1512000417 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: they don't snore, just being generally invasive. < 1512000418 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: pupeno. ( 1) plus the size of the current write-buffer into the read-buffer. < 1512000436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512000591 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512000755 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512002601 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512002666 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512003527 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1512006380 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nurmohjymdpdjqas JOIN :#esoteric < 1512006647 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1512007466 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1512008007 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512009194 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: LOOKING CHICKEN < 1512009505 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :got pea soup fog today < 1512010069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal 214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53466&oldid=41060 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (-57) 10Portal 2 is not Turing complete < 1512010105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53467&oldid=53465 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (-28) 10To be a Turing Tarpit a language must be Turing complete < 1512010832 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512011071 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512011151 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Portal14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53468 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+826) 10Created page with "== Turing Completeness == Since I removed the [[Turing complete]] and [[Turing Tarpit]] tags, I figured I would include a proof that portal is not TC. === Proof of Turing In..." < 1512012125 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512012492 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512012653 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1512013354 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512013582 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512014006 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512017388 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512017739 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nurmohjymdpdjqas QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1512017846 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512019181 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aoxeyozafnfydamj JOIN :#esoteric < 1512019618 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own last-strike rules for Magic: the Gathering, which I had written before Unstable was announced, is a bit difference from the Unstable rules. < 1512019688 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you have done it, though? And what card you will make up with last strike? < 1512020300 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512020376 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512022998 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1512024195 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1512024200 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512025536 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512025890 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1512025911 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512027256 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1512029870 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5149:a06f:a4f:646e JOIN :#esoteric < 1512029945 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512030290 0 :variable!?@? 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :After something like three months of keeping https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Captcha/help open in a tab on my phone, finally added some specific help text in there. < 1512038443 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly only on the English localization; I'm not qualified to do most of the 67 other languages that message has been translated into.) < 1512038586 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do Finnish, I guess? < 1512038598 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do Finnish, and I could probably muddle through Swedish. < 1512038649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will need to have cookies enabled in your browser for this to work." < 1512038666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know what that means, TBH. < 1512038667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come esolangs.org doesn't show an annoying popup when you visit it to inform you that it uses cookies? < 1512038676 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you complying with all EU regulations? < 1512038695 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, I think we probably should be showing that. < 1512038705 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never looked into what the regulations exactly are. < 1512038717 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just because of my US-based IP address. < 1512038765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regulations were basically intended to prevent people using cookies for all sorts of random tracking, by requiring sites to tell people about long-lived cookies and what they were used for < 1512038773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most sites decided just to publish a really long list rather than actually use fewer cookies < 1512038795 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the warning is a stock MediaWiki feature. There's Extension:CookieWarning though. < 1512038823 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, some types of cookies are exempt. < 1512038852 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm < 1512038884 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the usual MediaWiki cookies are okay, then. < 1512038896 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the cookies esolang.org has set
< 1512038918 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UseDC and UseCDNCache are the main suspicious ones, why are those client-side? < 1512038926 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Wikipedia show the warning for EU users? < 1512038956 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't, I just checked < 1512038960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those sound like they fall under "used for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication" < 1512038975 0 :Kristjan!~Krisostoo@82.131.38.184.cable.starman.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1512038977 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only got esolang_wikiUserID, esolang_wikiUserName and esolang_wiki_session set. < 1512038984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are moderately long lived, too < 1512038994 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, some of mine might have been there from a much older login, I guess < 1512039009 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I'll clear my cookies for Esolang and log back in to see how many I get < 1512039029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110353 < 1512039056 0 :Kristjan!~Krisostoo@82.131.38.184.cable.starman.ee PART #esoteric : < 1512039066 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have four: esolang_wiki_{_session,UserID,UserName,Token} < 1512039070 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those all seem reasonable < 1512039108 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what Token is for, and why I don't have one. < 1512039115 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, the esolangs.org front page is featuring a pretty good language. < 1512039125 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: apparently it implements the "remember me" functionality < 1512039129 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1512039133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you didn't turn that on? < 1512039141 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not logged in very often. :) < 1512039157 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we just parked it on BF because it's a fairly safe language to put there and nobody was going through the motions of updating the page < 1512039173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use that as a starting point for my own esolang. < 1512039176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, MediaWiki 1.29 (which I was thinking of upgrading to later today) changes the default cookie expiration from 180 days to 30 days, though "login cookies" (whatever they are) stay at 180. < 1512039178 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to change a few things around. < 1512039191 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You could replace the commands with humorous words. < 1512039367 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: By the way, since you're one of the wiki admins... a UK hosting company offered to sponsor us a free server on their cloud infrastructure. I mentioned we might do a "tasteful, unostentatious" link to them from somewhere on the page, and they said they'd appreciate it, but it's not mandatory. Any concerns about that? < 1512039372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're already doing one to MediaWiki in the bottom header, I think it's in the same category of things.) < 1512039410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Userlogin-remembermypassword14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53469 5* 03Ais523 5* (+38) 10there's some debate about whether this option falls afoul of EU cookie law; let's give people informed consent about how it works, just in case < 1512039432 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not concerned about that, so long as it's factual (e.g. "hosted by {company name/logo}") < 1512039461 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to the "powered by mediawiki" logo, IMO < 1512039477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought too. < 1512039494 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MediaWiki:Remembermypassword14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53470 5* 03Ais523 5* (+98) 10I can't figure out where this message is even used, but mentioning cookies in it too just in case < 1512039554 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, does this channel have any opinions on the recent ridiculous OS X security bug? < 1512039557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you end up buying a house by the power station? < 1512039563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that you? < 1512039587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty good bug. < 1512039610 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just wondering how it could possibly have come about < 1512039627 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they just have root with an empty password by default? < 1512039638 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, it's better than that < 1512039651 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they have code for upgrading password hashes from old hashing algorithms to newer ones on login, which is fair enough < 1512039668 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the account is disabled, the code that verifies the old password errors out and the upgrade code doesn't actually check the error < 1512039676 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, that's why it required two attempts. < 1512039689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(errors out while /fetching/ the old account data, not while /verifying/ it) < 1512039701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes ahead and sets the password on the account to whatever you entered anyway < 1512039713 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1512039717 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite something < 1512039745 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the account exists but you entered the wrong password, the fetch succeeds but the hatches don't match, and they actually did check the error there < 1512039782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can be done about error checking? < 1512039803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a cumbersome and verbose part of a lot of boring code. < 1512039811 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xccdfgtuighcqsag QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512039815 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions don't seem like a great answer. < 1512039819 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not having errors < 1512039848 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust's solution of outputting enums that have to be unpacked to get at the return value is a decent one, IMO < 1512039859 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the function errors out, it outputs a different enum tag so you can't unpack it to the return valuae) < 1512039865 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'm not concerned about that, so long as it's factual (e.g. "hosted by {company name/logo}")" => could it say "hosting generously provided by {company name with link}"? < 1512039871 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that at least forces you to write the error handling code < 1512039876 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, to show that they've donated hosting for free < 1512039891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "hosting provided by" would be OK, I think; filling it with adjectives doesn't fill me with confidence < 1512039938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are at least two issues. One is that you can just forget to check the error. That can be managed with a fancier type system or these enums or something else. < 1512039969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is that the error handling code is so verbose and boring that no one wants to write it in the first place. < 1512039973 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. how about "hosting donated by {company name with link}"? < 1512039979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose Rust has some macros for handling the common case. < 1512039995 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that works too < 1512040005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's not that noone wants to write it, but that noone wants to read it once it's written < 1512040025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'm talking about the code existing, not just how it gets written. < 1512040043 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: with a library I'm writing at the moment, the design is such that all errors indicate an actual problem in your own code (not in the surrounding environment), and thus you can safely handle them by, e.g., abort() < 1512040056 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there'll be a wrapper generator that automatically handles all errors in a way of your choice) < 1512040086 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and I think there's a problem with the attitude how some programming people (especially the rust ones) try to encourage beginners to learn how to do full error propagation even in throwaway code, when in most code you could get away with just aborting with a stack trace on almost any error, < 1512040098 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error conditions in the surrounding environment are treated as a special form of user input < 1512040098 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several languages that make a distinction between errors and panics. < 1512040112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, this probably is heavily dependent on the fact that it's a UI library < 1512040165 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the problem when sometimes people want to handle just one type of error, but they don't handle that one early and propagate it correctly, and so they end up with catching all errors and trying to continue the program from wedge state after other unrelated errors < 1512040189 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sort of the opposite problem < 1512040189 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had to shout at people before now for just swallowing exceptions < 1512040192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Java < 1512040197 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512040211 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512040220 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they already know that most code doesn't have to propagate errors properly, they don't even know how to propagate that one important error that they do have to recover from < 1512040222 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512040229 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know these are two opposite lessons, so it's hard to learn both < 1512040230 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct treatment, IMO, is to rethrow (or just not catch, if the language lets you) if it's unexpected or if it's fatal, and handle if it's something that could plausibly happen and can plausibly be fixed < 1512040269 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but also catch the one error you care about as early as possible, not just catch in the outer loop and restart < 1512040282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1512040296 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512040317 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, there's quite a lot of catch(Throwable) in the code I'm working on at work, but then it has reason to violate a huge number of best practices because it's very low-level code < 1512040341 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I often complain about how people use multi-threading unnecessarily, or multi-threading in the wrong place, and when they do so, that often makes error handling harder. < 1512040367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang where all control flow is based on exceptions? < 1512040402 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it would be exceptional < 1512040402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure there is, I can't remember what it's called though < 1512040429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb < 1512040437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seen any exceptionala cats lately? < 1512040452 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but I think I saw a baby deer last night < 1512040459 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512040481 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regret not stopping to take a photo, it was standing in a stream on my cycle home from work < 1512040483 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently after rust get the namespacing system almost right, people don't like the few small problems it has, and are trying to replace the whole thing with something completely new and much worse and depreciate the old one. that bothers me. < 1512040490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that uncommon in your part of the world? < 1512040501 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's unrelated to error handling.) < 1512040512 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what type of deer? < 1512040532 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/slistp appears to have exceptions as a major part of its control flow < 1512040700 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know, it was quite dark and I didn't get a long look < 1512040712 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rphhipppvgvgbmai JOIN :#esoteric < 1512040713 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been a cow calf, but that's really just as surprising < 1512040754 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richmond Park is full of deer herds. < 1512040769 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always lots of people taking pictures of them too. < 1512040784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live near Richmond but I've never been. < 1512040794 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be going there next week, though. < 1512040887 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is about where I was: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.1935737,0.1597291,242m/data=!3m1!1e3 < 1512040956 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang based on economic concepts? < 1512041217 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least one thematic one that talks about discounts on goods, but I think it's just a syntax substitution? < 1512041220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aware of any actually good ones < 1512041466 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: looks like slistp is the most exception-based language, in the sense of C++/Java-like exceptions < 1512041522 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are languages like Incident whose regular control flow isn't Turing-complete and they need to rely on exceptional conditions to gain their computational power, but they aren't exceptions in the normal sense < 1512041759 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far can you get with just function calls, throw, try/catch, and like maybe print < 1512042076 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what kind of state would you have? < 1512043020 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1512043296 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1512043791 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512044006 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512044268 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512044544 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512044559 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:5d9e:3993:b1cd:9327 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1512044779 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1512045160 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1512045375 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512045841 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512046396 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512049409 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D63D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512049504 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D63D.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented a sematic checker in ZXTW (to check the function argument count), which runs before the vm execution. < 1512052396 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512053085 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512053878 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512054227 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1512055325 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53471&oldid=49687 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+0) 10Post-upgrade edit test for 1.29.2. < 1512057085 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1512057481 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7723.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1512057608 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512058160 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1512059669 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512059699 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered JOIN :#esoteric < 1512061019 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512061642 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG has 13 different basic cards now, right? < 1512061723 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic lands of the five basic land types, snow basic lands of the five basic land types, Wastes, Relentless Rats, and Shadowborn Apostle. < 1512061836 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those last two don't have the Basic supertype, but have an equivalent condition with regard to deck building. < 1512062062 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-134-130.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1512062079 0 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-173-169.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512062093 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are eleven basic lands in Magic: the Gatering. The ones that aren't lands aren't basic either. < 1512062108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am calling the first five "conventional basic lands". < 1512062161 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512062605 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sort of weird is that Wastes, despite being both Basic and a Land, is not a basic land type, and has no basic land type. < 1512063089 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d8ba:467c:9041:282 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512063183 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1512063452 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has errata at the time of printing. I think they shouldn't do that; the text should be printed on the card. < 1512063916 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think that's errata. It just has the rules text not printed on it, the same way as https://magiccards.info/mprp/en/25.html (which I have) doesn't have the text printed on. < 1512064034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1512064082 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still don't like it though) < 1512064774 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:bc27:62d0:fae1:d2a9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should print a textless version of every card, so that people can play the most confusing version of M:tG ever. < 1512064798 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qztdhfhqdkltxpdv JOIN :#esoteric < 1512065590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: people can already do that by (1) using cards in languages that the players don't understand, although for some older cards this can be impossible because they're only printed in English, (2) bad homemade proxies < 1512065619 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like to play the confusing game, play the version where instead of using the actual card you have to use a different card with the same mana cost but is not a card you actually have. That is a game variant < 1512065657 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen people test some standard (several years ago) deck with unmarked proxies, where only the players know which cheap card stands for which expensive card, so as an onlooker it was very confusing to me < 1512065681 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you mean like Richard Garfield, Ph.D. ? < 1512065687 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name richard garf < 1512065692 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Garfield, Ph.D. \ 3UU \ Legendary Creature -- Human Designer \ 2/2 \ You may play cards as though they were other Magic cards of your choice with the same mana cost. (Mana cost includes color.) You can't choose the same card twice. \ UNH-R < 1512065752 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, do you mean I can only play cards that I don't actually have? how would the other players verify that? would they have to check my entire collection to see that I don't have the card? < 1512065774 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No; I only mean that is not the card being used in the game right now. < 1512065778 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have most of my cards neatly sorted in boxes so I can find them reasonably quickly, but still < 1512065781 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1512065782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much better < 1512065798 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but making that effect a game rule variant rather than a permanent. (I think it was a game variant before the Unhinged card, actually) < 1512065825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1512065900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to buy a lot of {0} cost cards for that variant. < 1512065920 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512065977 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in that variant, when I cast a card with morph face down, do I have to announce that it's Disruptive Pitmage? or do I write that in a piece of paper under the card? < 1512066006 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1512066019 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read it somewhere but do not remember the rules or even if they had complete rules. < 1512066020 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd write it in a paper and slip it under < 1512066047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would probably have to be limits on what you can play < 1512066057 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name blacker lotus < 1512066058 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacker Lotus \ 0 \ Artifact \ {T}: Tear Blacker Lotus into pieces. Add four mana of any one color to your mana pool. Play this ability as a mana source. Remove the pieces from the game afterwards. \ UG-R < 1512066089 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd have to buy playsets of like five {0} cost artifacts for your deck this to play as black lotuses < 1512066108 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blackererererest Lotus {0} Artifact ;; {T}, Burn ~ to ashes, Burn yourself to ashes: Add 17 mana of any single color into your mana pool. < 1512066241 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the action of removing the pieces go on the stack? my m:tg grammar is rusty. < 1512066257 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mana abilities don't use the stack. < 1512066261 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no. < 1512066304 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, if it says "target" then it is not a mana ability.) < 1512066334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the tearing part would certainly be part of the cost in modern oracle updates < 1512066362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably play old un-cards as if their oracle text were updated to modern rules < 1512066379 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8B7723.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512066389 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I read the tearing up as a cost, just the cleanup, would be fun to stifle that ;) < 1512066475 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, you mean the removing the pieces from the game < 1512066484 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that might be possible to replace somehow < 1512066492 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me search < 1512066672 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, replace it with anything other than removing it from the game < 1512066695 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are ways to replace it with another effect removing it from the game < 1512066790 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can replace it if you make a commander a copy of Black Lotus. < 1512066834 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` grep "^903\.9\." share/mtg/rules.txt < 1512066834 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :903.9. If a commander would be exiled from anywhere or put into its owner’s hand, graveyard, or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead. This replacement effect may apply more than once to the same event. This is an exception to rule 614.5. < 1512066892 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:99ca:2dd5:cc56:17a1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512066908 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:99ca:2dd5:cc56:17a1 QUIT :Client Quit < 1512067048 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although then you'd have a host of problems, because per 108.2. the pieces might not even count as a card (in terms of comp rules) or an object < 1512067049 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512067078 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512067147 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But that is to be expected if you are playing Un-cards. < 1512067155 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1512067212 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:d8ba:467c:9041:282 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512067214 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512067788 0 :watered!~dagger@gateway/tor-sasl/watered QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512068372 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512068438 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a new rule for languages in GURPS, which is only applicable if your character can read and write Chinese. (This enables Xing La to save a few points.) < 1512068440 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512068713 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53472&oldid=53244 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+84) 10Added link to implementation < 1512068843 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BrainCube14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53473&oldid=53472 5* 03CANICVS 5* (+35) 10 < 1512069785 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512069986 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512070961 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512071030 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512071083 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Client Quit < 1512072314 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1512072684 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512073639 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D63D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512074357 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1512074467 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512075311 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512075504 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1512076316 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. < 1512076350 0 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1512077413 0 :atrapado_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512078578 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fe89.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512078721 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512079461 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512079991 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1512079999 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:amphiboily//Amphiboily is Franglish grammatical hambiguity, rewarded with a mapole. \ compiler//A compiler (lit. “with-piler”) is one who builds piles together with someone else. \ whom//See: who \ `revert//`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See . It is a builtin command so ca < 1512079999 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1512080000 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:nnot be called from other commands. \ mtg//MTG is short for Money Tapping Game. < 1512080029 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg is disturbingly accurate. < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rphhipppvgvgbmai QUIT :Changing host < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1512080125 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rphhipppvgvgbmai JOIN :#esoteric < 1512081391 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512081633 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the problem in click&point adventures is almost always the same... being stuck on a missed pixel < 1512081779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I like the feature where you press Tab and it highlights all the clickable objects on screen. < 1512081809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that was in Thimbleweed Park, now I remember. < 1512082125 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah many recent adventure games have such a feature (often using shift or control) < 1512082139 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512082315 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1512083785 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1512085429 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1512085512 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://staging.esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53474&oldid=53471 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+48) 10Test non-HackEgo wiki2irc gateway. < 1512085550 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, don't try to follow the https:// link, there's no TLS on that host.) < 1512085907 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GIVEN CHICKEN