00:00:02 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in). 00:00:18 -!- danieljabailey has joined. 00:11:34 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 00:12:26 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:28:12 00:28:18 zxcvs 00:30:52 <\oren\_> shachaf: how is environmental station alpha? I haven't played it yet 00:39:20 . o O ( you should wait until it's at least beta ) 00:48:08 [[What the fuck is the Internet?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53657&oldid=53618 * JayCampbell * (+2563) Added language spec and hello world example 01:02:39 \oren\_: Seems to have some minor issues under WINE 01:02:55 Still probably playable? But I got annoyed and scrapped. 01:10:05 -!- boily has joined. 01:22:40 -!- augur has joined. 01:26:46 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:37:10 -!- sleffy has joined. 01:41:57 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 02:37:12 -!- doesthiswork1 has joined. 02:37:14 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:12:10 -!- sebbu has joined. 04:00:25 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 04:01:10 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CARPENTER CHICKEN). 05:10:01 -!- doesthiswork1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 05:49:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:52:53 -!- moony has joined. 05:57:35 -!- sdfgsdf has joined. 06:00:02 -!- sdfgsdfg has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:01:39 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:13:37 -!- variable has joined. 06:23:23 -!- variable has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 06:35:45 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:38:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:38:37 -!- moony has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:43:41 @tell ais523 whoa whoa whoa, https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/unstable-mechanics-2017-11-13 06:43:41 Consider it noted. 06:43:47 I may be behind the times. 06:49:23 One thing to note: the contraptions are not silver-bordered cards. 06:50:02 Huh. 06:50:33 I imagine they still aren't legal in any format, though, unless they're reprinted in another set? 06:50:49 Yeah. 06:50:59 I just heard about this new unset 06:51:29 Garbage Elemental seems like a good card. 06:51:33 There's no way to assemble a contraption in black-bordered Magic ATM, so even *if* you brought a contraption deck into a Vintage game you couldn't do anything with them. 06:53:03 Oh, the cards that assemble contraptions are still silver-bordered? 06:53:07 Yes. 06:53:57 From an interview with Maro, the design of the contraptions and their mechanics are supposed to be something they at least *could* put into black-bordered Magic at some point. 06:54:47 So it's half a joke because Un-, and half a design experiment to see if people like playing with it. 06:55:44 I haven't looked at that many of the cards but this unset seems to have more of a real set feel than previous ones. 06:55:57 The mechanics seem plausible or nearly plausible 06:56:09 Maybe most of the old sets were that way too and I just know the extreme cases 06:56:59 This un- set was designed to be drafted by itself; previous sets were designed to only ever be drafted as a single pack added to a draft. 06:57:07 (and even the latter as an afterthought) 06:58:27 Some of the individual mechanics in this are a touch weird, still. 06:58:42 But on the whole I think it's more "normal" because it's supposed to be played all on its own. 07:01:23 http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439497 Also, I love this card. 07:04:09 http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439617 And this one's pretty normal mechanically, except it's apparently a god-damned headache to rewrite the comprehensive rules to allow for it. 07:04:52 I thought that mechanic was already printed once? 07:04:57 No. 07:05:25 Maro *tried* to print it in Future Sight. 07:05:34 Oh, right, it was only discussed. 07:06:40 Probably the biggest rules-headache mechanic in this, though, is deceptively simple. 07:06:46 You may have cards in hand that you do not own. 07:06:59 Wait, really? 07:07:30 Yes. There's a card which lets you put target non-land permanent in *your* hand. 07:07:51 http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439422 07:07:51 Mary O'Kill? 07:08:02 Oh 07:08:39 Though that is another card that does that thing, yes. 07:09:23 It sounds simple, but ow. 07:11:44 http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439409 07:11:45 Oh jesus 07:12:41 oh man 07:13:10 I'm glad that's only permanents. 07:13:22 It breaks things harder if it applies to spells and abilities. 07:18:16 http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439486 I also like this one. 07:19:09 http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439520 Also, Robo Rally the card. 08:33:45 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 08:49:18 pikhq: Oh, there's http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&name=+[Very]+[Cryptic]+[Command] too 08:49:48 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 08:49:51 https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 makes more sense with that in mind 08:49:57 Maybe it's intentionally cryptic 08:58:43 Also the draw ruling for The Countdown is At One at https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 doesn't make sense to me 08:58:51 Maybe they rewrote the card after writing that? 09:00:51 Ah, http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/167777120838/is-the-faq-correct-about-the-countdown-is-at-one 09:07:42 Oh, I guess they're doing it on purpose 09:10:51 -!- laerling has joined. 09:21:22 pikhq: oh man, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439449 09:30:21 [[Brain-Flak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53658&oldid=53567 * Wheatwizard * (+61) /* Interpreters */ Added BrainFlog interpreter to the list 09:35:03 Oh, and http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439452 09:43:01 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 09:44:21 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:45:31 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 09:46:44 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:47:17 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 09:48:14 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:48:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 10:04:43 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 10:06:22 -!- laerling has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:08:28 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 10:16:12 Ugh, there are a bunch of these 10:28:02 pikhq: Oh boy, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=X 10:38:46 -!- h0rsep0wer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:38:56 @tell zzo38 In https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 , an interpretation is given to "destroy target player" 10:38:56 Consider it noted. 10:39:03 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 10:39:26 -!- h0rsep0wer has left. 10:39:31 @tell zzo38 ( 16.06.17:23:16:04 (It also says "destroy target player"; of course only permanents can be destroyed, not players.) ) 10:39:31 Consider it noted. 10:40:46 . o O ( suggesting that players are fleeting? ) 10:41:14 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:42:03 hi ais523 10:42:08 hi shachaf 10:42:11 This new Unset is pretty good 10:42:16 I never heard about it until now 10:42:27 wait, you've only just seen it? it's been out for a while 10:42:33 there are some things there I'm dubious about 10:42:35 I haven't been keeping up 10:43:13 Which things? 10:43:31 There are more interesting mechanics than "assemble a contraption", I think, though it's good to have a meaning for that 10:44:24 16.06.26:18:46:07 it probably doesn't work rules-grammatically, but the best design I've seen has "assemble a Contraption" mean "place a Contraption artifact token into play", and the cards that assemble contraptions have static abilities that grant abilities to contraptions 10:44:38 That was a pretty good guess 10:45:23 Oh, you've even talked about contraptions in this channel in November. I guess I wasn't looking. 10:45:31 I'm actually upset with the way contraptions were done, because there doesn't seem to be any rules-mechanical reason for contraptions to be assembled /by/ a particular source 10:45:53 Yes, that's a bit strange. 10:46:03 Sometimes it says you assemble a contraption and sometimes it says a creature does it. 10:46:11 and with the present design it'd be easy enough to make that work 10:46:27 But that could be different with future assemblers. 10:46:33 I also strongly expected protection to protect a contraption from being assembled by a creature it had protection from, but that wouldn't work at all in the current ruels 10:47:05 I also have a suspicion that unconstructed isn't very balanced 10:47:13 even if you restrict it to just Unstable 10:47:17 so it's probably a limited-only set 10:47:45 unpossible 10:49:03 apparently they errata'd the half-squirrel half-pony combo to not work, which was a) definitely needed but b) a sign that they didn't really test properly 10:49:49 something like half the overly cheap instant win combos recently have involved infinitely blinking the same creature, so you think they'd have a check to catch repeatable blink effects /specifically/ 10:49:59 err, same permanent 10:51:56 I guess you can Summon the Pack and get an R&D's Secret Lair 10:52:44 I was surprised that they changed the Oracle text for Cheatyface. 10:53:06 Oh, they did it for all of Unhinged? 10:53:21 Now the cards refer to the battlefield and so on 10:53:59 yes, they were really slow on that but they did it eventually 10:54:36 they also errata'd R&D's Secret Lair as a joke, even though the errata wouldn't do anything (because IIRC it only works while the card's on the battlefield) 10:55:30 One of the Unstable cards lets you activate tap abilities in people's hands. 10:55:42 Well, only for that one specific card. 10:55:48 there's no conceptual problem with that, just a logistical awkwardness 10:56:08 the ninja card that can be in the hand and on the battlefield simultaneously is involved in a lot of "do weird thing X in zone Y" combos 10:56:31 "This mana is still added to your mana pool." 10:56:47 What is that even trying to change? 10:57:11 which card's that on? Gatherer's down at the moment 10:57:50 The new R&D's Secret Lair 10:57:56 -!- MrBismuth has joined. 10:58:29 what's the whole Oracle text? 10:59:04 "Play cards as written. Ignore all errata. Tap: Add Colorless to your mana pool. This mana is still added to your mana pool." 10:59:07 (And flavor text.) 10:59:28 oh, it's because you can't add {1} to your mana pool under modern rules, so it got errata'd to add {C} 10:59:40 but if you ignore all errata, it'd go back to adding {1} which arguably doesn't work 11:00:26 -!- MrBusiness has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:00:29 Oh, the rules don't allow that at all? 11:00:38 I guess that makes sense because all the Oracle texts were updated anyway. 11:01:12 well, {1} simply isn't a type of mana, so what would it do? 11:01:25 it's like trying to add {T} to your mana pool 11:01:31 (which is totally something they should do in a future unset) 11:01:41 Right, it makes sense, I just hadn't thought about it. 11:02:08 If you add {T} and {Q} to your mana pool they can cancel out. 11:02:14 Do any uncards have negative mana? 11:05:14 not that I'm aware of 11:23:48 just add a {-} kind of mana that can't be held in the mana pool at the same time as any other mana 11:24:22 but what's the point, they got rid of mana burn ages ago 12:09:34 -!- laerling has joined. 12:11:15 -!- sdfgsdf has quit (Quit: sdfgsdf). 12:11:33 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 12:15:14 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53659&oldid=53642 * Ais523 * (-11) /* T */ +[[Tableaux]] 12:15:19 [[Tableaux]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53660 * Ais523 * (+17101) new language! 12:15:57 [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53661&oldid=53630 * Ais523 * (+14) +[[Tableaux]] 12:15:58 -!- sdfgsdfg has quit (Client Quit). 12:16:22 I've been trying to pin down the details of that language for /ages/ 12:16:29 also, 17K, wow 12:16:39 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 12:16:46 there may well be bugs in the example programs because it's hard to reason about Tableaux and very hard to write an interpreter 12:17:03 (well, impossible – it's uncomputable – but it should be possible to write an interpreter that works on many useful programs, just difficult) 12:17:27 -!- sdfgsdfg has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 12:17:29 in a way the language is closer to mathematics than most are, it's so high-level for a tarpit 12:17:51 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 12:17:51 "find a counterexample to the Erdős discrepancy problem" is not the sort of thing that can be easily expressed in brainfuck :-P 12:43:10 -!- sdfgsdfg has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:48:35 ais523: questions about tableaux: a) I think your "put it another way" confuses y and y' b) why is prefix-determinism not just saying that the tableaus are uniquely determined by the leftmost column, since it holds for all n? 12:51:55 alercah: because the first element of the first column determines the whole first row 12:52:36 alercah: which I found hard to understand in the formal definition (I didn't read it carefully enough), but it's kind of explained as part of the addition example 12:53:27 then why is it expressed in terms of finite n 12:53:35 rather than just saying that 12:53:52 alercah: because it extends to arbitrary prefixes of the first column 12:54:15 oh 12:54:21 I misread, ok 12:54:25 alercah: the values first n rows only depend on the first n entries of the first column, for any n. but that's basically how it's written 12:54:51 who I scrambled that sentence a bit :) 12:54:53 huh. 12:56:49 Ah. 12:58:00 [[Tableaux]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53662&oldid=53660 * Int-e * (+27) clarify 12:58:12 alercah: it's stronger than saying that it's uniquely determined by the leftmost column 12:58:22 yeah 12:58:24 I misread 12:58:25 it means that the first n rows are uniquely determined by their leftmost column 12:58:31 I thought you said first n columns 12:58:50 alercah: I hope it's clearer now. 12:59:19 (because, in fact, I read "its first column" to refer to the tableau's first column...) 12:59:54 And then, indeed, the ''n'' becomes quite useless. 13:01:54 [[Tableaux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53663&oldid=53662 * Int-e * (+1) add missing ' 13:03:27 (hmm, that message may be confusing because the effect is to change an y' into an y. In the source, they're ''y' and ''y''.) 13:09:00 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Weirdlang * New user account 13:10:32 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53664&oldid=53653 * Weirdlang * (+99) 13:12:38 int-e: right, figured it out 13:18:06 -!- laerling has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:19:57 -!- xkapastel has joined. 13:43:03 shachaf: in terms of un-cards, there are some I really don't like, e.g. Ol' Buzzbark not only causes a huge number of problems both in terms of rules and practicalities, but is apparently brokenly powerful too 13:44:06 [[APLWSI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53665 * Weirdlang * (+309) Created page with "'''APLWSI''' ('''A Programming Language With Smallest Interpreter''') - very simple programming language. Any program in this language is comments. APLWSI interpreter is empty..." 13:45:55 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53666&oldid=53174 * Weirdlang * (+73) 13:47:15 [[Talk:APLWSI]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53667 * Ais523 * (+432) incompletely specified 13:51:24 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:55:56 -!- oerjan has set topic: Welcome to the international christmas for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf. 13:56:50 Merry Christmas to you latecomers 13:57:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:00:32 hm only 7 nicks i know are bots, the channel is slipping. although a couple others look suspiciously botlike. 14:02:06 -!- sprocklem has joined. 14:02:10 oerjan: did you see the new language I posted? 14:02:12 it's not a bot either 14:02:47 it's an uncomputable tarpit, and incredibly powerful for a tarpit in terms of what programs you can write in it (this is probably related to the fact it's uncomputable) 14:02:50 boily should revive metasepia 14:04:06 I think the other bots got upset because people abused HackEgo for trivial things rather than esoprogramming 14:05:03 anyway, my assessment of bots here: clog, esowiki, fungot, HackEgo, j-bot, lambdabot, zemhill_, so 7 14:05:03 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:05:03 ais523: just come up against the power switch, since there's so much more 14:05:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:06:29 oh well, fungot is right; we do have a lot more bots, we just have to turn them on 14:06:29 ais523: that waz nice ( fin) it doesn't look like i did 14:15:10 ^style 14:15:10 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 14:19:55 -!- idris-bot has joined. 14:20:27 `quote sentient 14:20:29 645) I'm not biased towards humanity over sentient .txt files. \ 1255) fungot's irc is the uncanny semi-sentient style... where one can typically read half a sentence before noticing anything wrong int-e: yes, i know 14:22:48 idris-bot: hi! 14:23:19 ( which bot spams when I do this? 14:23:19 (input):1:24: 14:23:19 | 14:23:19 1 | which bot spams when I do this? 14:23:19 | ^ 14:23:19 unexpected 'd'↵… 14:23:23 thought so 14:23:35 that is pretty spammy 15:06:36 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53668&oldid=53664 * Oerjan * (+1) That 15:06:57 's a pretty bad time to accidentally press enter 15:07:02 -!- erkin has joined. 15:07:11 oh well the edit was right 15:17:40 ais523: put differently, a tableaux is determined by a function that takes a list of y non-negative integers and an x, and returns a non-negative integer. 15:18:11 -!- moony has joined. 15:18:20 modulo some off-by-one indexing errors 15:19:11 (restating the rules) 15:29:36 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 15:32:07 so N^+ x N -> N, hmm 15:44:00 :t let tableau f cs x y = if x == 0 then cs !! y else f (take (y+1) cs) (x-1) in tableau 15:44:01 (Eq t, Num t) => ([a] -> t -> a) -> [a] -> t -> Int -> a 15:45:12 (idea: f defines the tableaux; cs is the first column) 15:48:12 right 15:51:58 cthulhu seems to always get the raw deal in irregular webcomic!. 15:54:07 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 16:02:18 ais523: Humorously, the reason they didn't check for cheap instant win combos like that is *probably* pretty simple. 16:02:31 The set was completed in 2014 and shelved. 16:21:42 -!- sleffy has joined. 16:25:18 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:50:08 argh my brain is _not_ ready to understand the tableaux examples. 16:56:26 personally I'd turn the equation +[0, +[1,0]] = [0, 2+[1,0]] around, so that it becomes a recursive definition: tableau[0][x+2] = tableau[0][x+1]+1; note that tableau[0][1] is one of the inputs 16:57:35 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:59:27 but I guess addition isn't the real problem here... 17:08:06 -!- mroman has joined. 17:08:19 joy to the world 17:08:21 something has come. 17:09:48 oerjan: the @ are quite nasty, and the flow of information is evil as well 17:14:27 ‎<‎oerjan‎>‎ ais523: put differently, a tableaux is determined by a function that takes a list of y non-negative integers and an x, and returns a non-negative integer. ← oh, I like that 17:19:43 ais523: is there a [0, 2+[1,0]] = [1, +[2,1]]; missing in the multiplication part of the compositeness test? 17:20:13 int-e: no, I had to move it out of the @1 17:20:18 because it refers to a line /before/ the mutliplier 17:20:25 *multiplier 17:20:45 it's the [2, 3+[0,1]] = [1, 2+[2,0]] on the line above 17:20:45 oh that's why 17:21:05 perhaps we need a more readable syntax for function arguments 17:21:28 e.g. allowing decrements as well as increments if they'd be cancelled out by implicit increments 17:21:45 unfortunately, tarpits tend to not be that readable no matter what you do 17:23:38 -!- sleffy has joined. 18:08:27 -!- moony has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:09:11 -!- moony has joined. 18:09:57 -!- moony has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:10:50 -!- moony has joined. 18:11:09 -!- boily has joined. 18:11:57 -!- moony has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:12:48 -!- moony has joined. 18:13:27 -!- moony has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:22:25 . o O ( a bit too much waxing and waning, here ) 18:25:48 joyerjanoël! 18:26:18 boily: didn't you mention reviving metasepia a while ago? 18:26:27 bod july 18:26:34 -!- contrapumpkin has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 18:30:04 joyi nt-ël! 18:30:22 I did mention it, and it's been haunting me since... 18:30:35 probably going to rewrite it in rust or something. 18:31:12 joyeaux boiy 18:32:14 joyhellooëchaf! 18:54:11 `learn The porthellingularity will happen when boily starts making a porthello and cannot stop braiding in more and more words. 18:54:13 Learned 'porthellingularity': The porthellingularity will happen when boily starts making a porthello and cannot stop braiding in more and more words. 18:55:02 also known as porthell 18:55:36 no, that's way too short tdnh 18:55:36 anyway i made a punhello with no acknowledgement tdnh 18:55:58 when? 18:56:03 I Will Usher In A New Age, The Harbinger Of Doom, The Mashing Of All Words Together. 18:56:11 I think “joyeaux”? 18:56:21 very subtle, much French. 18:56:59 "joyeaux boiy" 18:57:54 i cannot acknowledge what i don't understand. 18:58:23 > "boily" \\ "l" -- hth 18:58:24 "boiy" 18:58:29 shachaf: oh. 18:58:49 wait. “\\” works on strings? 18:59:04 also, there's not supposed to be an "a", i just (re)learned. 18:59:14 @wn joyeau 18:59:15 No match for "joyeau". 18:59:19 argh. 18:59:19 boily: strings are perfectly good lists hth 18:59:24 Oh, there isn't 18:59:26 #scow 18:59:54 in my defense, correct french spelling is uncomputable 19:00:22 * oerjan gives shachaf a mercy swat -----### 19:00:38 i don't need your pity swats 19:01:27 shachaf: you were probably mislead by some confusing tableaux. 19:01:27 * alercah waves 19:01:45 joyerca noëh! 19:01:48 shachaf: thanks, that was the word i was looking for 19:02:03 @wn joyau 19:02:04 No match for "joyau". 19:02:07 bin là. 19:02:13 alercahello 19:02:39 `? oerjan 19:02:40 Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. 19:03:12 `swran s/amortized/pity/;s/ he / we / 19:03:13 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swran: not found 19:03:13 also, it's no more uncomputable by english. 19:03:23 `swrjan s/amortized/pity/;s/ he / we / 19:03:24 oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "pity" so we put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it. 19:03:38 pity to lose amortized 19:03:42 true 19:03:43 `revert 19:03:44 Done. 19:04:01 you're still an omnidryad. can you, like, teleport into all forests in the worlds? 19:04:15 alercah: how's life in your part of canadia? 19:04:25 boily: i haven't tried 19:04:46 don't i need, like, magic slippers or something 19:05:03 *than 19:05:28 i think b_jonas's prepositions may be infectious 19:06:22 maybe a reindeer? or a mysterious slice of brunost? 19:07:01 i don't have either 19:07:37 i have nutella balls and coke zero 19:08:03 * oerjan sips 19:08:44 regarding reindeer, see today's xkcd hth 19:09:11 king fizzie and his reigndeer 19:09:23 `cwlprits zzo38 19:09:32 nitïa 19:20:56 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 19:23:14 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...). 19:26:35 `? fizzie 19:26:36 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg 19:27:06 `slwd fizzie//s/^/King / 19:27:07 fizzie//King fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg 19:28:16 -!- variable has joined. 19:36:53 -!- moony has joined. 19:56:26 -!- fnodeuser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:59:42 -!- fnodeuser has joined. 20:00:09 -!- fnodeuser has quit (Client Quit). 20:00:41 -!- fnodeuser has joined. 20:13:22 -!- variable has changed nick to cosntant. 20:13:25 -!- cosntant has changed nick to constant. 20:28:44 -!- laerling has joined. 20:33:31 -!- constant has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 20:34:46 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CARBONIFEROUS CHICKEN). 20:53:38 -!- variable has joined. 21:14:31 -!- MrBismuth has quit (Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel). 21:20:57 -!- fnodeuser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:21:38 -!- fnodeuser has joined. 21:35:01 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:35:23 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:36:34 -!- mroman has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:39:45 -!- herrdeutschland has joined. 21:40:51 Merry Christmas every body 21:41:29 merry christmas 21:41:33 `welcome herrdeutschland 21:41:34 herrdeutschland: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 21:41:41 thank you ^^ 21:41:51 in which language do you program here 21:42:08 all the little minor languages that nobody else uses 21:42:14 mostly because they're completely insane 21:42:32 Freenode has hundreds of channels for useful languages, the useless ones need one of their own :-) 21:42:51 yes hehe 21:43:05 i m actually a face surgeon but as a hobby i program in python 21:43:12 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:43:35 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:43:47 wb hakatashi 21:44:34 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:44:52 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:44:55 I suspect they're having connection trouble 21:45:03 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:45:13 let's not leap to conclusions 21:45:22 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:45:47 hmm, it strikes me that uncomputable languages say something really deep about maths 21:45:47 hakatashi you ip is showing 21:46:27 any programming language is just about learning the basics of how 0 1 act 21:46:29 if you have a Turing-computable language, you can just calculate it mechanically; that doesn't really prove anything and compiler quality doesn't really matter, you just get the correct output by following the algorithm 21:46:45 herrdeutschland: so is yours 21:47:04 if you have an uncomputable language, you can't do that, so the more maths the implementation understands, the more programs it can handle 21:47:33 well i learned batch programming once ,and as i learned it i discovered it s the same like dos commands but written in a code 21:48:05 right, the vast majority of mainstream languages work in much the same way 21:48:10 especially in terms of control flow 21:48:22 hmm, does HackEgo know Prolog? 21:48:23 exactly 21:48:28 `gprolog 21:48:29 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gprolog: not found 21:48:32 `prolog 21:48:32 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: prolog: not found 21:48:35 apparently not 21:48:51 there are some languages that work completely differently to the mainstream though 21:49:07 https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%3F is my new favourite example 21:49:18 python programming is like learning english 21:49:46 `swipl 21:49:47 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swipl: not found 21:49:52 not really, Python is a lot more explicit than English 21:50:07 SWI-Prolog is what my former university's Prolog course used. 21:50:12 i m just having troubles with classes 21:50:14 `` ls -d interp/*pro* 21:50:15 ls: cannot access interp/*pro*: No such file or directory 21:50:21 `` ls -d interp/*pl* 21:50:22 ls: cannot access interp/*pl*: No such file or directory 21:50:25 golfing languages are much closer to English because they leave a lot more implicit and are often a lot more context-sensitive 21:50:33 or wait 21:50:38 `cat bin/! 21:50:39 ​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" 21:50:40 `ls interp 21:50:41 ls: cannot access interp: No such file or directory 21:50:43 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:50:47 `` ls -d ibin/*pro* 21:50:48 ls: cannot access ibin/*pro*: No such file or directory 21:50:48 `` ls -d interps/*pl* 21:50:49 interps/kipple 21:50:54 `` ls -d interps/*pro* 21:50:55 ls: cannot access interps/*pro*: No such file or directory 21:51:02 `` ls -d ibin/*pl* 21:51:03 ibin/kipple 21:51:04 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:51:11 hmm, are interps and ibin actually just the same directory? 21:51:17 `` ls -ld interps 21:51:18 drwxr-xr-x 38 5000 0 4096 Oct 28 2016 interps 21:51:22 `` ls -ld ibin 21:51:22 drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Jan 27 2017 ibin 21:51:45 apparently not, I guess ibin is for the wrapper scripts and interps contains the core? 21:51:50 Yes. 21:51:55 (I'm basing this theory off link count) 21:52:02 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:52:24 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:52:28 `cat ibin/kipple 21:52:29 ​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_stdin ./interps/kipple/cipple.bin 21:52:31 They're mostly like that. 21:52:35 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:52:53 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:53:26 I've never kippled before 21:53:42 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:53:55 kipple is basically just a readable syntax for a multiple-stack stack machine 21:54:01 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Kipple 21:54:03 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:54:35 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:54:45 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 21:54:53 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:55:24 hmm, several of the links there go to the old home of the Esoteric File Archive and thus no longer work 21:55:42 and instead of fixing it I'm just going to complain on IRC in the hope that someone else does 21:56:04 That's a good tactic 21:56:15 hakatashi: *cough* 21:56:24 shachaf is the expert on that 21:57:34 [[Kipple]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53669&oldid=35437 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ Link to the github-hosted copy of the file archive. 21:57:35 Hey, I stopped doing it, didn't I? 21:57:43 MAYBE 21:57:50 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 21:58:21 oerjan is mollified 21:58:43 not really, hakatashi just stopped pinging out just as i had my finger on the button... 21:59:07 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:59:15 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 21:59:24 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:59:42 [[Kipple]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53670&oldid=53669 * Ais523 * (+7) /* Computational class */ fix the other external link to the Esoteric Files Archive, too 22:00:05 I wonder at what point we're going to make a template like {{catseye}} for that 22:00:10 the problem is, i can never remember the correct syntax on the first try 22:00:13 although that was a bit of a special case 22:00:35 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:00:44 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b hakatashi!*@*$#fix_your_connection. 22:00:47 yay 22:00:52 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 22:00:53 ais523: I could just go and fix everything returned from Special:LinkSearch for "http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files". 22:01:11 There's only 68 matches. 22:01:25 ais523: there was one case where i recently chose to link to wayback _instead_ of the github. namely your underload page 22:01:43 because the github doesn't render html or javascript 22:02:24 I think that's the exception, all these others are to directories or text-y files. 22:02:28 ok 22:03:15 Well, there's one HTML file, the 1l spec. 22:03:52 oerjan: isn't it ##fix_your_connection? 22:03:53 maybe not? 22:04:08 ais523: my first try was #fixyourconnection 22:04:20 it's one of the parts i can never get right on the first try 22:04:27 but this one didn't complain. 22:04:31 and it's not even part of the syntax, technically :-P 22:04:44 the other thing is i forget the channel name. 22:04:58 [[2L]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53671&oldid=31083 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:05:00 and i used to forget if it was -b or +b 22:05:27 is there a character missing in esowiki's output 22:05:29 [[ADJUST]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53672&oldid=36069 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:05:56 [[Archway]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53673&oldid=40415 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:06:23 seems so 22:06:34 [[Argh!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53674&oldid=43447 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:06:38 `icode 22:06:39 ​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] 22:07:02 [[Aura]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53675&oldid=30361 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:07:22 why not `unidecode 22:08:06 [[Beatnik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53676&oldid=46219 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:08:24 shachaf: because i remembered the abbreviation hth 22:09:05 [[Befunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53677&oldid=53318 * Fizzie * (+14) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:09:42 [[Beturing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53678&oldid=13148 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:10:21 [[BitChanger]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53679&oldid=7934 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:11:48 [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53680&oldid=52846 * Fizzie * (+28) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:13:35 [[Brainfuck implementations]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53681&oldid=52196 * Fizzie * (+21) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:15:06 [[Jannis Harder]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53682&oldid=13216 * Fizzie * (+20) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github (and fix typo in link) 22:16:10 [[CHIQRSX9+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53683&oldid=45210 * Fizzie * (+11) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:16:56 [[Foobar and Foobaz and Barbaz, oh my!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53684&oldid=40482 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:17:48 [[FukYorBrane]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53685&oldid=39369 * Fizzie * (+21) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:18:43 [[Glass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53686&oldid=53170 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:19:25 [[Glypho]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53687&oldid=47055 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:20:40 [[HighFive]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53688&oldid=18211 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:21:17 [[Homespring]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53689&oldid=35165 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:21:47 -!- erkin has joined. 22:21:48 [[Hunter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53690&oldid=18166 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:22:24 [[Iag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53691&oldid=43714 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:23:04 [[Kayak]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53692&oldid=33378 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:23:49 [[LNUSP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53693&oldid=17439 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:24:25 [[Muriel]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53694&oldid=30815 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:25:00 [[Mycelium]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53695&oldid=20074 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:25:34 [[Network Headache]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53696&oldid=30364 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:26:06 [[NULL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53697&oldid=50535 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:26:37 [[ORK]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53698&oldid=46412 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:27:46 [[Prelude]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53699&oldid=50814 * Fizzie * (+14) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:28:24 [[PROLAN/M]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53700&oldid=30806 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:29:01 [[Qdeql]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53701&oldid=36067 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:29:33 [[Rhotor]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53702&oldid=38758 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:30:01 [[Sbeezg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53703&oldid=35552 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:30:36 shachaf: whelp, I created a paradox 22:30:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:30:59 [[Sceql]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53704&oldid=36070 * Fizzie * (+14) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:31:35 [[Smurf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53705&oldid=34328 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:32:16 [[SNUSP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53706&oldid=42815 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:32:38 int-e: Which level? 22:32:49 [[Extensions to SNUSP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53707&oldid=30366 * Fizzie * (+14) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:33:04 I like the solution for... Well, I oughtn't spoil anything 22:33:27 someone over at PPCG was wondering why SNUSP of all things had so many derivatives 22:34:06 [[Sortle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53708&oldid=40083 * Fizzie * (+28) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:34:13 -!- variable has quit (Quit: /dev/null is full). 22:34:22 ais523, I don't think I've ever seen SNUSP before 22:34:38 [[Bitwise Cyclic Tag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53709&oldid=53367 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:34:40 it's basically just BF with Befunge control flow 22:34:53 I see 22:36:45 hmm, now I'm really curious as to whether Rectangular SNUSP can square numbers in the 17..255 range to produce a number greater than 256 22:36:54 [[EsoInterpreters]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53710&oldid=50439 * Fizzie * (-22) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github (plus fix intra-wiki link done as external) 22:37:31 ais523, Deadfish style? 22:37:34 [[Thutu]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53711&oldid=35040 * Fizzie * (+8) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:37:53 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 22:37:55 Taneb: right 22:38:18 [[Wierd]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53712&oldid=38706 * Fizzie * (+14) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:38:50 [[ZOMBIE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53713&oldid=12686 * Fizzie * (+7) /* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:39:56 [[Gregor Richards]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53714&oldid=30559 * Fizzie * (+7) esoteric.voxelperfect.net github 22:40:17 -!- jaboja has joined. 22:41:02 [[Sortle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53715&oldid=53708 * Fizzie * (+7) /* Quine */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net github, missed one 22:41:20 . o O ( who needs spammers ) 22:42:03 The remaining main namespace pages with links (1L_a and Gammaplex) have some to HTML files. 22:46:43 shachaf: somewhere in the ruins 22:46:54 shachaf: I wasn't trying to. 23:24:15 -!- laerling has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:35:26 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! 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