to get preformatted text
< 1512530176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53509&oldid=53499 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+283) 10Rescue dead links
< 1512530277 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: please use the {{deadlink}} template so someone else can attempt to rescue links twh
< 1512530297 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk
< 1512530305 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how
< 1512530319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put a {{deadlink}} after the link
< 1512530333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, you can try to search on wayback yourself first
< 1512530337 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that link that important?
< 1512530368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mostly the surrounding info in this case, since the link actually _was_ somewhere else on the page
< 1512530412 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a less convenient form.)
< 1512530415 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surrounding info seemed very unimportant
< 1512530523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's traditional.
< 1512530530 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grins evilly

< 1512530544 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the argument that beats all reason)
< 1512530660 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but "remove dead link" is the wrong reason for removing it (in particulr, making me do all the work to try to rescue it)
< 1512530666 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+a
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< 1512532285 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to port brainfuck to the ethereum blockchain
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< 1512533026 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bauberqueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53510&oldid=53507 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+353) 10add quine
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< 1512533301 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The difference is that there is no command to end it.
< 1512533882 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bauberqueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53511&oldid=53510 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-14) 10golf quine
< 1512534009 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aubergine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53512&oldid=53476 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+17) 10influenced bauberqueue
< 1512534044 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53513&oldid=52922 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+15) 10influenced bauberqueue
< 1512534149 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so that none of the other wiki formatting after it appears at all? no footer or anything? that doesn't seem good...
< 1512534298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't mean that
< 1512534325 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53514&oldid=53513 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+3) 10paradigm
< 1512534338 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that the rest of the text you have entered is raw and preformatted; only EOF marks the end of that, and then the wiki footer and stuff appears
< 1512534754 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think  does the same thing if you just omit the  tag.
< 1512535047 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but then what if the text you want includes the text ""? Then it won't work. Fossil Wiki supports stuff such as  so that you can specify a number so that you can include whatever text you want. (Fossil also supports defining a wiki page as plain, so it supports no special commands at all.)
< 1512535094 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice
< 1512535731 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arxiv.org/abs/1712.01815
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< 1512539079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm definitely also using .ul for underload files.
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< 1512542177 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :兩? hmm, those inner things are "enter" not "person"...
< 1512542211 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to be careful drawring them
< 1512542598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bauberqueue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53515&oldid=53511 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-8) 10Actually, it's a true quine
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< 1512553204 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re a precommend command, instead of that, on http://perlmonks.org we have ... pseudo-html tags to mark code, which has both the effect that it takes everything inside it literally, and that there's an easy way to download just the code from a node as plain text
< 1512553285 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The drawback is that you can only put code encoded as cp1252 in it, because that's the native encoding the source code of nodes is written in, non-cp1252 characters have to be ampersand-encoded, but ampersands aren't special inside code tags.
< 1512553370 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "careful drawing them" => well yes, and you're a bit cramped for space, but it should still fit in your 16x16 grid I think
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< 1512553945 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn greater/A greater than sign instructs the shell to send the output of the command to a file.  Not very mnemonic, but a grater is the closest thing to a file that ASCII has.
< 1512553946 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: `le/[/]rn //
< 1512553951 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn greater//A greater than sign instructs the shell to send the output of the command to a file.  Not very mnemonic, but a grater is the closest thing to a file that ASCII has.
< 1512553953 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'greater': A greater than sign instructs the shell to send the output of the command to a file.  Not very mnemonic, but a grater is the closest thing to a file that ASCII has.
< 1512553984 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily int-e: IEUAREGHIOERGHIGOHIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! <-- please wait at least 5 minutes before panicking, because lambdabot takes a while to get here after rejoining, and it's set up to do that automatically.
< 1512553984 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1512555315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy independence day hth
< 1512555722 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what?
< 1512556163 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 years of Finlandery.
< 1512556348 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're lighting up a lot of places around the world with blue-white lights, but as far as I can tell nothing here in London. :/
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< 1512556394 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(San Francisco City Hall, though.)
< 1512557101 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, anywhere in Berkeley?
< 1512557108 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of Finns here
< 1512557285 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. I haven't found a proper exhaustive list, just two separate news articles.
< 1512557378 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll be going to SF tomorrow.
< 1512557432 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean today.
< 1512557999 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily ptlist should remind you to turn on captions
< 1512557999 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1512558014 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily it's scow when you watch a whole pt and then realize you had captions off
< 1512558014 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1512558360 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"San Francisco, California, will see a Finnish flag flying over its City Hall on Wednesday and the building's facade illuminated blue and white from 4:15 PM local time until midnight."  https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finlands_blue__white_around_the_world_for_centennial_celebrations/9961343
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< 1512560807 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1512560828 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ptlist
< 1512560829 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptlist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1512560831 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1512561017 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas.
< 1512561022 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1512561022 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 1h 57m 18s ago: int-e: IEUAREGHIOERGHIGOHIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! <-- please wait at least 5 minutes before panicking, because lambdabot takes a while to get
< 1512561023 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :here after rejoining, and it's set up to do that automatically.
< 1512561023 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 50m 23s ago: ptlist should remind you to turn on captions
< 1512561023 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 50m 8s ago: it's scow when you watch a whole pt and then realize you had captions off
< 1512561054 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that pt! tdh.
< 1512561069 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Primitive Technology.
< 1512561090 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e int-ello. I like to recklessly holler ^^
< 1512561090 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1512562360 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dontaskdonttelllist: q​u​i​n​t​o​p​i​a​ m​y​n​a​m​e​ i​n​t​-​e​
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< 1512564117 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep getting spam with the subject line "Reverse-Engineering the ZTE ZXDSL 931WIIA Firmware" (because I once wrote a page about that), and every time for ten seconds or so I think it might be a non-spam email for once.
< 1512564409 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job, spammers, well done, keep up the good work
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< 1512571964 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/master/gcc/po/fi.po has the translation "säiekohtaista muistia ei tueta tälle kohteelle" (thread-local storage not supported for this target) for 67 different messages, none of which have anything to do with TLS.
< 1512571992 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow. report a bug.
< 1512572113 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, I've had so many bad experiences with hungarian localized software that I simply don't use hungarian localization whenever possible
< 1512572118 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't managed to coax any Finnish messages out of my GCC installation.
< 1512572129 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just checking these to see if they translated the 'long long long' joke.
< 1512572179 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I have to install 'gcc-7-locales' to get them.
< 1512572190 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1512572220 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also try to avoid mirrors in Hungary by the way, and occasionally have to override these automatic geographic mirror choosers for that
< 1512572326 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the long long long joke?
< 1512572480 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole "long long" thing is dangerous, because very old compilers just silently interpret it as "long", which isn't just a stupid interpretation in first place
< 1512572502 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that syntax shouldn't have been used in first place
< 1512572521 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor "ll" as a modifier in printf for similar reasons
< 1512573032 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If you try to use 'long long long' as a type, the error message is "‘long long long’ is too long for GCC".
< 1512573047 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see!
< 1512573075 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or "”long long long” on liian pitkä GCC:lle", so yes, they did translate it, though it loses a bit in translation for not repeating "long".)
< 1512573192 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have a custom message for any of "short long", "long short", "short short", "long char", "short wchar_t", "signed signed", "signed unsigned", "unsigned signed", "unsigned unsigned", "signed wchar_t", "unsigned wchar_t", "long bool", "signed bool", "unsigned bool" etc?
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< 1512573245 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I know. Or, rather, they have messages, but they're very businesslike. "error: both ‘signed’ and ‘unsigned’ in declaration specifiers" and so on.
< 1512573286 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, so no custom stuff
< 1512573290 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you do 'long long long long x', you get "'long long long' is too long" twice, possibly due to error recovery.
< 1512573342 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, if I try some of those operations where they have the nonsense string in the fi.po file, it just uses the English text without a translation. Wonder what that's all about.
< 1512573422 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe that bug is newer than your gcc?
< 1512573637 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's possible. Or maybe they're somehow disabled, but I don't know how to read the file syntax. (Also the text "ehtolausekkeessa ei-lvalue-taulukko" (non-lvalue array in a conditional expression) appears for 22 unrelated messages, like "Enable loop distribution on trees." and "Enable loop vectorization on trees.")
< 1512573747 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :github's GCC mirror can't show blame or log for the file (it's too long to show, and the commit history takes "too long to generate"), so I can't tell if it's a recent issue or not. Don't feel like cloning GCC. Maybe I'll come back to this later.
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< 1512577120 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, hg...
< 1512577190 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hg remove -A", why not have that as an option for hg ci? (I've found -A but I only want the removal part.)
< 1512577574 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a example Fuun RNA program? I tried writing a program to interpret the Fuun DNA program in order to achieve the RNA, but it doesn't work after the first step, somehow.
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< 1512588322 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bauberqueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53516&oldid=53515 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-41) 10golf quine
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< 1512596292 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1893@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a lot of people participated in that ICFP and many of them probably have put an interpreter available online, so you could use one of those.
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< 1512596607 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1893@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/session PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sadly the websites of most old icfp contests are badly maintained, including http://save-endo.cs.uu.nl/ , so you'll have to find individual team's writeups elsewhere
< 1512596620 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But where is it?
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< 1512598922 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1893@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a library structure generic that is just a structure made of a key and a value part, but comparing and hashing it looks only at the key part?
< 1512599101 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1893@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh wait, wrong channel. Sorry.
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< 1512602008 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: cucumber.
< 1512602008 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: why does smalltalk have authority on the topic of the channel on all of this so called " right track". didn't know that...)
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< 1512602407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1107
< 1512602407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1107: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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< 1512602564 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf!
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< 1512605470 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1512605476 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:pdf//PDF stands for Pretty Depressing Format. \ vorpal//Vorpal writes software for boring machines. Really big ones. \ twoducks//TwoDucks programming language was invented in 2023. \ til//TIL that TIL means Today I Learned \ hexham//Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico
< 1512605501 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt vorpal
< 1512605508 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:2012-02-16 Initïal import. \ 8342:2016-06-05  learn Vorpal writes software for boring machines. Really big ones.
< 1512605520 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 0 wisdom/vorpal
< 1512605521 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is really boring. Seriously, you have no idea.
< 1512605615 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to try and port Brainfuck to Ethereum?
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< 1512606113 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: its so absurd that almost starts to makes sense again =))
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< 1512610889 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53517&oldid=53459 5* 03Schozi 5* (+562) 10/* Based on dimensions */
< 1512611449 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd hexham//s/$/./
< 1512611452 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham//Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico.
< 1512611605 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cucumber
< 1512611606 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cucumber? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1512612267 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aubergine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53518&oldid=53512 5* 03Boily 5* (+36) 10
< 1512612326 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:Aubergine derivatives14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53519 5* 03Boily 5* (+42) 10Created page with "Derivatives of the [[Aubergine]] language."
< 1512612350 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Purple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53520&oldid=46047 5* 03Boily 5* (+35) 10
< 1512612380 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07UberGenes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53521&oldid=45717 5* 03Boily 5* (+36) 10
< 1512612402 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Silberjoder14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53522&oldid=51838 5* 03Boily 5* (+35) 10
< 1512612429 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bauberqueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53523&oldid=53516 5* 03Boily 5* (+36) 10
< 1512612900 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a language with derivatives a derivative of itself?
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< 1512615405 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get the self check screen to display, although step 21 fails, and steps 11 and 12 are wrong
< 1512615599 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Step 21 might be failing due to a EAGAIN error, though)
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< 1512617986 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I now got the Fuun RNA implementation correct.
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< 1512619535 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ReverseFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53524&oldid=8406 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+35) 10
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< 1512622829 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lie
< 1512622830 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies are even easier than monoids. They form groups, known as Lie groups.
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< 1512629593 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: some wisdom: https://twitter.com/rygorous/status/938661397738561537
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< 1512642098 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  English is a lie, words lack intrinsic meaning   fortunately people don't operate for long in a vacuum so there'll always be context
< 1512642102 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1317)  English is a lie, words lack intrinsic meaning   fortunately people don't operate for long in a vacuum so there'll always be context
< 1512642282 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoerjan
< 1512642288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan
< 1512642288 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Thu Dec  7 11:24:48 2017
< 1512642294 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :awGood beforenoerjan
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< 1512642818 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo, list
< 1512642855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning shachaf
< 1512642876 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know your nick has no letters in common with "good morning"
< 1512643105 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :A commutative monoid is just a monoid in the category of monoids
< 1512643207 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was not aware of that thx tdh hug hand
< 1512643216 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that true?
< 1512643243 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wikipedia says so, but on the other hand anyone can edit it
< 1512643252 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it follows from the Eckmann-Hilton theorem
< 1512643276 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, man
< 1512643303 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen this one before.
< 1512643313 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd completely forgotten about it.
< 1512643336 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nearly completely forgotten. Maybe I have completely forgotten about it, but then I wouldn't know about seeing it before.
< 1512643604 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about exterior derivatives and exterior algebras and things?
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< 1512643824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even boily doesn't follow the Esolang:Policy :(
< 1512644025 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do not!
< 1512644034 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :My knowlege of algebra is lacking a great deal
< 1512644042 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly a great deal more than I'd like
< 1512644206 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? commutative monoid
< 1512644208 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commutative monoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1512644214 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: twh
< 1512644680 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? great deal
< 1512644681 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great deal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1512662093 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Oerjan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53525&oldid=52070 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+448) 10Links gone dead?
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< 1512665198 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1512665275 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, didn't MaRo specifically deny this in advance?
< 1512667234 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deny what is advance?
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< 1512667456 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is MaRo?
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< 1512668603 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, turns out he didn't deny it
< 1512668619 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't deny https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-variants-2017-12-06 in https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/un-ending-saga-part-1-2017-11-06
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< 1512677737 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Oerjan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53526&oldid=53525 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+163) 10/* All links gone dead */ It's alive!
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< 1512707196 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any kind of unusual rules you know of about point calculation of point-based role-playing systems, other than the rules used in GURPS and BESM 3? (My point calculator program supports both of these things, as well as some other custom rules.)
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< 1512710273 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CASTLE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53527&oldid=46390 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+56) 10Fix some typos
< 1512710775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aubergine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53528&oldid=53518 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-2) 10This is how the Brainfuck page does it
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< 1512712263 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53529&oldid=53224 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+278) 10Add bauberqueue and purple quine, move the aubergine quine to the cheating section
< 1512712426 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53530&oldid=53529 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-33) 10Change aubergine quine to easy to understand golfed version
< 1512712921 0 :Jojo_!~friendlyG@74-37-64-160.dsl1.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric :
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< 1512727875 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: by point calculatoin, do you mean calculation of XP you gain? or some other points?
< 1512729394 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512730314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53531&oldid=53496 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+143) 10
< 1512730572 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53532&oldid=51903 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+198) 10/* z = x or y (boolean, logical) */
< 1512730620 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53533&oldid=53532 5* 03YuvalM 5* (-1) 10/* z = x or y (boolean, logical) */
< 1512731626 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53534&oldid=53533 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+280) 10
< 1512731731 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53535&oldid=53534 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+14) 10
< 1512732942 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1512733539 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a chess variant (http://mroman.ch/b/chess.html). Now I guess I need to program an AI for it.
< 1512733751 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are already 57101117117774389051392000000 possible placements in the placement phase.
< 1512734013 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 5.139100540599694e28
< 1512734023 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7!*7!*(40!/26!)
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< 1512734543 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman! classic AI with tree pruning and heuristics and stuff?
< 1512734640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use alphazero hth
< 1512734688 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. so apparently the northern third of Sweden is either not a completely empty wasteland with only elks and reindeers and reindeer hunters living there, or else some supervillain wants us to think that it isn't and get people to travel there so they can capture them
< 1512734708 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, someone is organizing a conference there: http://knuth80.elfbrink.se/
< 1512734737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, in actual northern Sweden, not just, like, the north part of the southern half of sweden
< 1512734756 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't even roads or other infrastructure there, I think
< 1512734762 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would people even go there?
< 1512734973 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's probably the best to start with, yes.
< 1512735001 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the easiest thing to start off would be something that makes random moves but always kills if it can.
< 1512735012 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a completely random placement :D)
< 1512735066 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you gotta be careful with that because you can actually loose the game during the placement phase already if your king is in a bad spot after the placement
< 1512735073 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you migth not be able to make a first move
< 1512735166 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm training an ANN right now to recognize faces in pictures resampled to 12x12
< 1512735278 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/12x12.png <- like such
< 1512735331 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works surprisingly well.
< 1512735336 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: can it recognize Kappa?
< 1512735343 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1512735383 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it has a (sensitivity, specificity) of (~0.8, ~0.8)
< 1512735488 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. cucumber kappa?
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< 1512735841 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Kappa is one of the more used special emoticon memes on twitch.tv , the video game streaming website
< 1512735905 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've driven through (and I think stayed overnight in?) Kiruna, which is significantly more northern Sweden, and can confirm there were roads.
< 1512735926 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see
< 1512736024 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you're driving from Finland to Norway and don't take the ferry, the natural route is Kemi-Kiruna-Narvik, mostly on the E10.)
< 1512736024 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely more to the north than I've been to
< 1512736089 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my coworkers just came back from Tromsø, which is probably more northern than I've ever been.
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< 1512736147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1512736375 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of funny, if you zoom in to the Norway/Sweden border, the Google Maps seems to get significantly more high-res on the Norway side: https://goo.gl/maps/z9ufZEtArXD2
< 1512736399 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least at that particular spot.)
< 1512736492 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I see.
< 1512736515 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when people do classification stuff and report accuracy.
< 1512736522 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that usually happens when they have photos made from airplane on one side, but only satellite photos on the other side
< 1512736523 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accuracy is shit.
< 1512736632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days they also have crazy 3D reconstructed images of some parts.
< 1512736669 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 3d images of individual trees.
< 1512736693 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite crazy really.
< 1512736724 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :train corporations use scanning of trees and shit to determine which trees are in danger of falling on the rails
< 1512736727 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cut them down.
< 1512736736 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also quite crazy.
< 1512736839 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for trains, what's quite crazy to me is the metro tunnels in Stockholm. have you seen them? they are just dug out with explosives and left like that, with no concrete rings supporting the walls anywhere
< 1512736871 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite an amazing contrast to the tunnels here, which have concrete walls everywhere, to isolate the tunnel from the ground around and keep the water and ground out
< 1512736910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, Sweden pays for this with the downside that they don't have soil for agriculture, which is quite a high price to pay for those few railway tunnels
< 1512737024 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bridges. they have a ton of water channels with medium length bridges over it. and sometimes there's two parallel bridges over water, one above the other, the railway on the bottom bridge and road on the top bridge. 
< 1512737032 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impossible here, because the terrain is just too flat
< 1512737047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there, they have steep shores within the city and small canals
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< 1512737556 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People should use sensitivity, specificity and confidence to rate their classification performance even if you have more than two classes.
< 1512739710 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ave 5*  10New user account
< 1512739795 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: One of my coworkers moved to the US to start a startup on aerial/satellite photo analysis, https://tensorflight.io/
< 1512739914 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53536&oldid=53531 5* 03Ave 5* (+241) 10
< 1512739915 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like they've since pivoted to be about property inspections for insurance-related matters. It was something more generic last I looked.
< 1512742480 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at least it has a useless animation that lags browsers and wastes energy on their website :D
< 1512743367 0 :ATMunn_!?@? NICK :ATMunn
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< 1512744087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yeah, that's new too. :)
< 1512744662 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/mandel.html
< 1512744667 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u like laggy webpages
< 1512744668 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is it
< 1512744747 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newest firefox really sucks at rendering it.
< 1512744751 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the older versions were much faster
< 1512744836 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that browser designers weren't optimizing to that particular use case
< 1512745415 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh
< 1512745447 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I get complaint from customers being unable to use my main business e-commerce e-shop e-website due to the new firefox.
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< 1512745541 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds e-awful
< 1512745546 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so e-sorry for you
< 1512745569 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I gotta math-jaxify my pseudo-paper now.
< 1512745861 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can pandoc convert to mathjax?
< 1512745904 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? Not sure though
< 1512745964 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1512745967 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks crappy
< 1512745971 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tables at least.
< 1512746005 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully fixable with some CSS.
< 1512746181 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/guides/sensspec.html
< 1512746182 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww.
< 1512746374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53537 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+712) 10Create page... one day I might convert the language spec from Markdown to MediaWiki if I can be bothered...
< 1512746487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Martin Ender14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53538&oldid=47181 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+158) 10
< 1512746632 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. lil borders around the tables and it looks much better.
< 1512746714 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and text-transform.
< 1512746720 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pandoc is great.
< 1512746722 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thumbs up*
< 1512746746 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53539&oldid=53537 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (-78) 10whoops
< 1512746778 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1512746828 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like sums, this is for you :D
< 1512746853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53540&oldid=46718 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+102) 10catching up with my name change
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< 1512746889 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote that as a stackoverflow answer.
< 1512746920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53541&oldid=53540 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (-1) 10/* External resources */
< 1512746930 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53542&oldid=53539 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (-1) 10/* External Resources */
< 1512746952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53543&oldid=44839 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+63) 10catching up with my name change
< 1512746971 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot of spelling errors in there still
< 1512747125 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this aren't all true negatives" I think should be "these aren't all the true negatives"
< 1512747159 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which section is that?
< 1512747176 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :N-Ary Classification?
< 1512747189 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sensitivity and Specifiticity
< 1512747194 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Specificity
< 1512747210 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53544&oldid=47245 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+66) 10catching up with my name change
< 1512747211 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1512747218 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all the true negatives"
< 1512747256 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :And s/this/these/
< 1512747259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brian & Chuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53545&oldid=46558 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+69) 10catching up with my name change
< 1512747298 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your first language, ooi?
< 1512747309 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stack Cats14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53546&oldid=47183 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+70) 10catching up with my name change
< 1512747324 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :German.
< 1512747333 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1512747334 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53547&oldid=53541 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */
< 1512747334 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language of the norths.
< 1512747338 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's south from you probably
< 1512747339 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1512747346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53548&oldid=53543 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */
< 1512747373 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53549&oldid=53542 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+0) 10/* External Resources */
< 1512747381 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently living in what I think is "south" and it's still further north than most of Germany
< 1512747392 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not as much Germany as I thought
< 1512747429 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly the same latitude as Brunswick?
< 1512747436 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53550&oldid=53504 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+12) 10/* A */ add Alice
< 1512747508 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :british?
< 1512747510 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or finn?
< 1512747527 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :British, I'm from the old esoteric homeland of Hexham and currently in Cambridge
< 1512747636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53551&oldid=53530 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+314) 10/* Real Quines */ add Alice
< 1512748155 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reinterpret_cast(reinterpret_cast(&my_c.public_mem‌​ber) + sizeof(my_c.public_member)) = 0xDEFACED
< 1512748159 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is just so shitty
< 1512748234 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1512748242 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but delphi is worse
< 1512749279 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1512753754 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean calculations of point totals of all of the traits based on any modifiers and so on you add on to them, how to calculate them based on that
< 1512756851 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1512757293 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1512757294 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 081750Z 27004KT 8000 -RASN SCT007 SCT020 BKN060 01/00 Q1011 R08/29//95 NOSIG
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< 1512762310 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1512762363 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bit silly, but suggested in a global notice)
< 1512762922 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdanbbejudcjhiao JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512763284 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: [wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 N10 
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< 1512763936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test:  [wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 
< 1512763971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test:  [wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 
< 1512764025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason those show up different in the logs...
< 1512764962 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr, is there a replacement for "Open in Browser" that works with FF 57
< 1512764999 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh stupid question
< 1512765065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's an IE problem caused by some strange characters mroman used in a particular line
< 1512765105 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right question is, why does the plugin currently not work for the #esoteric logs
< 1512765115 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/plugin/addon/
< 1512765144 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i edit that away, the file shows fine.  but with it, the _previous_ N-something lines get HackEgo's wiki announcements to show weirdly (but before that again they're as they use to.)
< 1512765196 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the weird thing is that IE _shows_ ^C's as boxes instead of leaving them out entirely, and also has problems selecting the line.
< 1512765229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
< 1512765548 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, links shows dots
< 1512765600 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, really unhappy with how many things Firefox 57 broke.
< 1512766124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( has anyone forked 56 yet )
< 1512766152 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 56
< 1512766160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :56: 2 2 2 7
< 1512766196 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4656:f950:194c:7b9a:d2c:e8fd QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1512766243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned about an interesting conjecture yesterday.
< 1512766321 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it?
< 1512766323 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write a greedy algorithm for the "infinite queens" problem, i.e. you start in the corner of an infinite chessboard, and for each subsequent row you put a queen in the leftmost row where it doesn't threaten any other queen, the queens form approximately two lines from the corner.
< 1512766337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slopes of those lines seem to be approximately phi and 1/phi
< 1512766362 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, interesting!
< 1512766396 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is exact solution with the same pattern without phi being involved
< 1512766436 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1512766444 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using horse steps of a previous queen
< 1512766478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm specifically describing the greedy algorithm.
< 1512766485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what do you mean by horse steps?
< 1512766566 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right-down-down-down from a previous queen, this cell is always free (assuming no prepositioned queens), and when we reach the bottom we repeat the same process on a second half of a board  
< 1512766643 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern is slightly different for even and odd boards. And infinity isn't even or odd
< 1512766672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bottom?
< 1512766678 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about an infinite board.
< 1512766713 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just start to build second line one infinity to the right :P 
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< 1512766752 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pattern for the greedy algorithm goes 1,3,5,2,4,6,8,10,7, right?
< 1512766812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your 6 threatens your 1
< 1512766834 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes http://oeis.org/A065188
< 1512766900 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh darn, it does
< 1512766909 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about diagonals
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< 1512769770 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you said rows, that link says antidiagonals
< 1512770117 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1512770134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it does.
< 1512770164 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think you end up with the same pattern maybe?
< 1512770216 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe not. Or maybe it's not known, because when I heard this problem it wasn't even proven whether it was a permutation.
< 1512770760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the grid shown under "example" _does_ look consistent with doing it column by column
< 1512771085 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinion poll: should I, or should I not, copy the https://esolangs.org/forum/ archive over to the new place? 
< 1512771096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly DVD sales spam, but there's a few actual conversations.
< 1512771104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good DVDs?
< 1512771151 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but it's the LOWEST PRICE.
< 1512771195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :COPY ALL THE THINGS
< 1512771198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download on DVD?
< 1512771305 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1512771311 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says download right in the name.
< 1512771314 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dvds allowed
< 1512771320 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the name.
< 1512771327 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you don't download DVDs?
< 1512771340 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the last d stand for int-e?
< 1512771349 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Information technology is so limited.
< 1512771366 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now
< 1512771373 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're still waiting on diamond age
< 1512771384 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: digital versatile downloadable?
< 1512771418 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! nothing about downloading anywhere!
< 1512771424 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DVD *is* one of the funnier acronyms... based on the "V")
< 1512771442 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as funnny as PCMCIA.
< 1512771480 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, i convinced myself it's equivalent whether you do it by antidiagonals or by columns
< 1512771495 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i vote for copying over the forum in read-only format. and if it's possible to remove the spam, that too
< 1512771509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular there is one in each column
< 1512771519 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it's hard to beat intel's IE ("innovation engine") (because why stop at *one* super privileged hardly accessible processor in the processor (the ME), when you can have two?))
< 1512771575 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out what the other discussion is about...
< 1512771592 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( PCMCIA, it's fun to be ... )
< 1512771802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving that there's one in each row seems a bit trickier
< 1512771937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it might not be a permutation, if it's not bijective.
< 1512771950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surjective)
< 1512772014 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let go y l d r = let x = head [x | x <- [1..], not ((x+y) `S.member` l), not (x `S.member` d), not ((x-y) `S.member` r)] in x : go (y+1) (S.insert (x+y) l) (S.insert x d) (S.insert (x-y) r) in go 1 S.empty S.empty S.empty
< 1512772016 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,5,2,4,9,11,13,15,6,8,19,7,22,10,25,27,29,31,12,14,35,37,39,41,16,18,45,...
< 1512772246 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, funny. I use infix for S.member, but not S.insert...
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< 1512775788 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at least this lends itself to drawing pictures like this: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/queens.png
< 1512775834 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is the greedy algorithm in question?
< 1512775859 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "for each row from the bottom place a queen in the leftmost unattacked position"?
< 1512775891 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did it from the top, but yes.
< 1512775924 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you got approximate lines of slope phi?
< 1512775949 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I do not understand why.
< 1512776011 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, if someone were to say to me "hey can you believe the queens were close to a line? what do you think the slope of that line was?" my guess would be phi. It's the obvious choice for such a problem.
< 1512776449 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It becomes more convincing when the 10001st queen is at slope 0.6181381861813818 and the 10002nd at slope 1.6179764047190561.
< 1512776981 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more convincing that it is intuitively true to me, but i am having a hard time formalizing my intuition. It has to do with the fact that a queen placed at (x,y) attacks all squares whose coordinates sum to x+y. And so, to go back to the left, you have to find an unused sum. What is the sequence of sums? 0,3,6,4,7,13,19,... 
< 1512777024 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it also has to do with the fact that phi and 1/phi are the most irrational positive numbers
< 1512777073 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a question like this, I think you'd need more evidence for it to /not/ be phi than for it to be phi :-P
< 1512777108 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the trouble with that line of reasoning is that many sums are unused.
< 1512777589 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what proportion of the queens are placed to the right of all previous queens?
< 1512777595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's likely to be a relevant part in the proof
< 1512777675 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same golden ratio (the slope of the right queens is one plus that proportion, because the queens to the right are always placed on the next free diagonal)
< 1512777765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it looks like if you reorder the queens by x-y coordinate, then half of them are on each side of the x=y linen
< 1512777785 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 10000: (3819,6181)
< 1512777791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that feels like it's the start of a proof
< 1512777799 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm too tired to work out the details
< 1512777853 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8f4:d60:9e1a:d9e5 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1512779595 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: In fact it appears that the antidiagonals (with constant x+y) only add noise to the otherwise pretty picture thing; if only diagonals (constant x-y) and vertical lines are considered, the queens could be placed at ([k*phi + 1], [k*(phi+1) + 1]) and ([k*(phi+1) + 1], [k*phi + 1]) for k >= 0, where [] is the floor function.
< 1512779605 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ thing//
< 1512779663 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and phi = (1+sqrt(5))/2)
< 1512779719 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the challenge is to somehow show that the effect of the antidiagonals is negligible for those asymptotic slopes.
< 1512780389 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Everything seems to boil down to showing that all verticals and diagonals are occupied, and there are only two asymptotic slopes; given that, if d is the proportion of queens to the right of the main diagonal, the k-th "right" queen will end up around (k/d + k, k/d), and the k-th "left" queen at (k/(1-d) - k, k/(1-d)); in order to occupy all verticals, the densities of k/d+k and k/(1-d)-k must...
< 1512780395 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sum to 1; hence, d/(1+d) + (1-d)/d = 1, 1 = d + d^2, d = (sqrt(5)-1)/2 = phi-1, and the resulting slopes are phi and phi+1...)
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< 1512781456 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as a note of caution, the recent changes feed may be a little flaky at first. I haven't set it up as an autostarted service.
< 1512781961 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome esowiki
< 1512781963 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04esowiki: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.)
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< 1512786662 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, so apparently someone's been writing an OS in subleq, of all things: http://esoteric.codes/post/168290778358/a-programming-language-with-only-one-command-and
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< 1512791436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it took me this long but I have stuff working on my new computer
< 1512791481 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And decided what color I want my computer keys to glow
< 1512793181 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-137.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incoming connections do not seem to work on my computer (even though it worked yesterday). Is that a problem with my computer? The ISP seems to think so.
< 1512793448 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-137.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I may have found the problem
< 1512793459 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-137.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1512793466 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, int-e: Donald Knuth says he thinks this may never be proved.
< 1512793478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seemed surprising to me.
< 1512793481 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-137.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it seems to be correct
< 1512793899 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "this" = what? the queens problem?
< 1512793917 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I assume you didn't ask him just now, so presumably he was studying it earlier)
< 1512793924 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna try this dawn os thing
< 1512793949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes.
< 1512793961 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He mentioned it at a talk I went to yesterday, which is where I learned about it.
< 1512794066 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? queen
< 1512794067 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :queen? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1512794068 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf
< 1512794069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
< 1512794206 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it isn't on OEIS (unless I made a data entry mistake)
< 1512794237 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I did make a data entry mistake
< 1512794241 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A065188
< 1512794269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I linked it above.
< 1512794364 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not since I joined, I think?
< 1512794407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know when you joined.
< 1512794412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you saw my original description.
< 1512794854 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/img/dawnos.png
< 1512794871 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I detect anime waifus in that screenshot
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< 1512797064 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: shachaf: here's a much easier problem: make it so that the queens can only attack north-south and northeast-southeast
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< 1512797077 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*northwest-southeast
< 1512797102 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you put the corner?
< 1512797108 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll find that the pattern is much simpler due to no random northeast-southwest lining-ups, and yet the ratio is still the golden ratio
< 1512797118 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is based in int-e's picture, starting in the top left
< 1512797145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should be very easy to prove
< 1512797172 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it might be possible to prove that the northeast-southwest lining-ups aren't common enough to make a long-term difference to the ratio
< 1512797261 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-137.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DHCP server is giving me an invalid IP address "192.168.0.3" but somehow outgoing connections still work; incoming connections don't work. How to fix it?
< 1512797500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
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< 1512798559 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-137.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it
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< 1512799083 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out what the problem was and corrected it. Now the IP address changed back to what it was before, and it works (although the DNS will also have to be reverted; once it is, then it will work I expect)
< 1512799233 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it suddenly stopped working today, but fortunately I managed to fix it, after figuring out what was the correct password for the modem (the people on the telephone gave me an incorrect password)
< 1512800160 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're forbidding east-west too, of course
< 1512800166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that's implicit in the greedy algorithm
< 1512800241 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, EW is irrelevant here
< 1512800263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this gives us http://oeis.org/A002251
< 1512800347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess you'd call it http://oeis.org/A019444
< 1512800427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, a lexicographically minimal sequence of distinct positive integers such that all values of a(n)-n are also distinct"
< 1512800438 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't make the connection explicit, this is probably worth submitting.
< 1512800809 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you solve this problem Knuth will sign your thesis.
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< 1512801450 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Copy the good messages from the old forum into a static document. The bad messages could be moved into another static document, maybe.
< 1512801495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I have never heard of this "infinite queen" problem.
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< 1512804124 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played chess earlier today, and my opponent resigned after I failed to recapture one of his pawns with one of my own, instead choosing to advance without capturing.
< 1512804152 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Crement14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53554&oldid=53490 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+72) 10Categories
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< 1512807341 0 :* Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d: PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1512807349 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb
< 1512807450 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a new bot specifically for the wiki I see?
< 1512807478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo was both for the wiki you see and for the wiki you don't see
< 1512807494 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is more useful to you
< 1512807494 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe less useful?
< 1512807540 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1512808010 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Wythoff's Nim is a game where there are two piles, and you can remove some number from either pile, or you can remove from both piles, if you remove the same number from each one
< 1512808032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This variation would allow you to move from one pile to the other as well.
< 1512808211 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512808322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this isn't guaranteed to terminate.
< 1512808526 0 :variable!?@? NICK :function
< 1512808530 0 :function!?@? NICK :terminates
< 1512808533 0 :terminates!?@? NICK :function
< 1512808537 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is the objective?
< 1512808539 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION terminates shachaf 

< 1512808542 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1512808616 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You lose (or win?) if it's your turn and both piles are empty.
< 1512810545 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512810923 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1512811147 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512811749 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll email Sloane about this.
< 1512812214 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: for the night
< 1512813276 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86DDC3.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512814596 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcotmwoffiyz31.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512814717 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I already gave a solution (though without proof) for that simplified version almost 5 hours before you proposed it :P
< 1512814717 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1512814779 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot that I'm testing lambdabot 
< 1512814779 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;)
< 1512815003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Huh, I didn't see that.
< 1512815050 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I was just writing an email to Sloane about it before and decided not to because ais523 wasn't here.
< 1512815059 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wanted to think about it some more.
< 1512815095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/A002251 is indeed the best possible approximation of those two lines.
< 1512815702 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlying this is an instance of the following amazing elementary theorem (which probably has a name, hmm.): If a,b > 1 are irrational numbers with 1/a + 1/b = 1, then the sequences ([a*k])_k and ([b*k])_k (k >= 1) are disjoint and cover the natural numbers >= 1, where again [] is the floor function.
< 1512815753 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/phi + 1/(phi+1) = 1. (or, if you prefer, 1/phi + 1/phi^2 = 1)
< 1512816046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is apparently called Rayleigh's Theorem or Beatty's Theorem
< 1512816053 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatty_sequence https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Beatty%27s_Theorem
< 1512816060 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1512816076 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was wondering how to search for it.)
< 1512816130 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered starting from http://oeis.org/A002251 where the name Beatty comes up... would have been a viable route, probably :)
< 1512816130 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the two full queen sequences Beatty?
< 1512816166 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are too noisy (the lower "line" isn't even monotonically increasing).
< 1512816206 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right.
< 1512816521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you figure out this theorem just now, or what?
< 1512816534 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :its fun reading through the commit history of /dev/random
< 1512816841 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I learned about it as a teenager
< 1512816852 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512816879 0 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full
< 1512816883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That theorem was a teenager quite a long time ago.
< 1512816894 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was I :P
< 1512816906 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though not quite that long :P)
< 1512816910 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512816926 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1512817005 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512817020 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1512817051 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512817068 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1512817080 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew from reading OEIS that it was true for phi but I didn't realize it was true for any sequence.
< 1512817084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. fancy
< 1512817271 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-clewplvdmgdjgryl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1512817302 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vwucfzgtzvdteewi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512817986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, though it doesn't do anything else than the recent change feed.
< 1512818081 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1512818086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:procrasti//The Procrasti were an ancient people whose nation would have been a great empire if they'd ever got around to it. \ lie bracket//Politicians try to stay within the lie bracket: Not so many lies that voters cannot stand it, but not so few that they think you have nothing to give them. \ costume//Costumes are used for cosplay. Ta
< 1512818091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1512818091 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:neb sometimes invents them. \ shrimp//Shrimp transcends the concept of meat. \ cookie//Hackego wants a cookie! *hangs*
< 1512818121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You don't invent all costumes?
< 1512818129 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits cookie
< 1512818136 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwar̈f
< 1512818140 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it.
< 1512818160 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1512818160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: canary: Permission denied
< 1512818172 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat < canary
< 1512818172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really go to sleep.
< 1512818173 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: < canary: No such file or directory
< 1512818177 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat < canary
< 1512818178 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: canary: Permission denied
< 1512818194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` file canary
< 1512818195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary: empty
< 1512818208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me, do you follow the Mill?
< 1512818296 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill_architecture
< 1512818324 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I can't say that I'm following it. I'm vaguely aware that it exists.
< 1512818339 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that.
< 1512818351 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to their talk the other day, there are a few things that are still unclear.
< 1512818378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping canary readonly sort of sabotages its purpose...
< 1512818407 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary
< 1512818428 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1512818428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1512818435 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ogles int-e 

< 1512818437 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: remove write-protected regular empty file ‘canary’?
< 1512818437 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary
< 1512818438 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: canary: Permission denied
< 1512818444 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh!
< 1512818452 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to time out
< 1512818465 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod u+w canary
< 1512818466 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1512818487 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary
< 1512818488 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1512818492 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`stat canary
< 1512818493 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​  File: ‘canary’ \   Size: 0         	Blocks: 0          IO Block: 1024   regular empty file \ Device: 12h/18d	Inode: 672529      Links: 1 \ Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN)   Gid: (    0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2017-12-09 11:20:51.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2017-12-09 11:20:51.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2017-12-09 11:20:51.0000000
< 1512818530 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary
< 1512818531 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Dec  9 11:20 canary
< 1512818532 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that was to be expected (recreating it from the repo will reset the access rights)
< 1512818556 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod -r canary
< 1512818556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1512818571 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's fine this way.
< 1512818576 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the description of the Mill's belt: "hardware SSA'
< 1512818580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary
< 1512818581 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--w------- 1 5000 0 0 Dec  9 11:20 canary
< 1512818595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1512818655 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512818759 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I actually have three lectures of the guy (at Stanford a few years ago) downloaded, but never got around to watching them... probably never will. Skimming a paper is more realistic for me.
< 1512818793 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since 2013, wow)
< 1512818860 0 :ddlyheadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1512818898 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Some of it is written up on the website now.
< 1512818913 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately a lot is still in video form. Video isn't a great way to transmit information.
< 1512818932 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those lectures are better watched at 2x speed.
< 1512818974 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can read e.g. https://millcomputing.com/topic/introduction-to-the-mill-cpu-programming-model-2/
< 1512818997 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those diagrams are awful on a dark background.
< 1512819011 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1512819237 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Funding14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53555&oldid=53553 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+47) 10Ho humsigned
< 1512819432 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, thanks. I'm not very MediaWiki-talk-oriented.
< 1512819641 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: "this" = what? the queens problem? <-- . o O ( maybe we should just forbid shachaf from using that word )
< 1512819664 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He won't like that.
< 1512819708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees what int-e did there.

< 1512819784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this
< 1512819785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a word
< 1512819796 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, large parts of this remind me of HP's and intel's EPIC approach.
< 1512819816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn This is something shachaf likes to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though.
< 1512819819 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'thi': This is something shachaf likes to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though.
< 1512819819 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not to say EPIC failure. Well I guess I had to say it.)
< 1512819823 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1512819836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Come on, that this wasn't a reference to this.
< 1512819846 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think zzo38 should get credit.
< 1512819859 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think zzo38 started this.
< 1512819865 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he may have started it, but you made it jump the shark hth
< 1512819887 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1512819888 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1512819889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf@iodine:~/logs/esoteric/tunes-13-$ grep 'Do you like this' 17.* | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
< 1512819904 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I may have been a bit of a catalyst simply by complaining about this.)
< 1512819918 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :77  \ 19  \ 2  \ 1  \ 1 
< 1512819924 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, enough of this. (Argh.)
< 1512819928 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so we're clear about this.
< 1512819943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though.
< 1512819944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'thi': This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though.
< 1512819945 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Actually, the catalyst was a former coworker of mine who knew zzo38 through another medium.
< 1512819950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1512819958 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1512819959 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1512819960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym `oops
< 1512819964 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/oops
< 1512819965 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/oops: No such file or directory
< 1512819968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/whoops
< 1512819968 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»"
< 1512819970 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's damn hard to stop. (One more: shachaf is the one who made this painful.)
< 1512819971 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1512819977 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn this//This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though.
< 1512819979 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'this': This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though.
< 1512819988 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/whoops
< 1512819990 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's nice and inclusive.
< 1512819994 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9714:2016-11-17  whoop ../bin/whoop \ 9713:2016-11-17  ` mv bin/whoop{s,} \ 9710:2016-11-17  ` mv bin/whoops{s,} \ 9709:2016-11-17  whoops \ 9708:2016-11-17  mkx bin/whoops//OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "\xc2\xab${NEW}\xc2\xbb alread
< 1512820017 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You gotta learn to use your ownventions
< 1512820024 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i know i made it, but now i was suddenly queasy about keeping the history on the right file
< 1512820209 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So... there are some questions that Mill has to answer; foremost, perhaps, how well utilised the VLIW words will be. There's also the issue with memory bounded stuff (where, actually, it's beneficial to have out of order execution; you may have one load from cache and one from memory without knowing which one will be which in advance)... and there's utilisation of compute units;...
< 1512820215 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hyperthreading is done for a reason. So, hmm. It's interesting to watch but too early to buy into, I think.
< 1512820262 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first point is about code size and correspondingly, required memory bandwidth for code.)
< 1512820281 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly too early to buy into. But they have a lot of creative ideas.
< 1512820288 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've responded to some of your points.
< 1512820342 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. They say that ~88% of the benefit of an OOO chip can be achieved with static scheduling, I think/
< 1512820345 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://piazza-resources.s3.amazonaws.com/hf1cdb546x444z/hg1su47nz4g5po/Discerning.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIEDNRLJ4AZKBW6HA&Expires=1512831104&Signature=GMYlhuBq1ACt%2BYsVJuTi1nhGtg0%3D
< 1512820402 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have all sorts of tricks for getting high instruction parallelism. Hard to say how well it'll really work in practice this far in advance, of course, but they have a working LLVM backend and they say it generates code that uses it well.
< 1512820455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also say that they don't think hyperthreading will give that much benefit over just adding more cores for most general-purpose code.
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< 1512820820 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagrid14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53556&oldid=53093 5* 03Stefan-hering 5* (+19) 10
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< 1512821322 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The way I see it, hyperthreading pays for a lot of the OOO execution complexity, by using the same instruction scheduling engine for two threads. I'll admit that it's totally unclear whether two simpler cores are better or worse.
< 1512821680 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm certainly not a CPU designer.
< 1512821692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They discussed it a bit in the most recent talk on threading.
< 1512821732 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither am I (obviously?)
< 1512821782 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck I have not even used an FPGA, or even something like Verilog in a simulator.
< 1512821793 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their claim is that the machinery that has to be duplicated to implement SMT is almost as expensive as another core, that you don't really get that much benefit for typical workloads, especially when you get increased instruction-level parallelism with their other tricks.
< 1512821821 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that there's a lot of ILP that an OOO CPU can't see because it's too far ahead.
< 1512821836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course we heard some of these same claims with the Itanium.
< 1512821854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they give various reasons they think they'll be able to do better.
< 1512821974 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm maybe I should get myself a copy of the Hennessy Patterson book for christmas?
< 1512822026 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, probably not. No time for that, really.
< 1512822196 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wow... Blu-ray cheaper than DVD, I don't think I've seen that happen before. (There's a solution to the puzzle: the Blu-ray version has been available for almost a year now.)
< 1512822207 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Wiki dumps14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53557&oldid=39282 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+49) 10Update dump schedule, make numbers bigger.
< 1512822379 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's anyone regularly downloading the XML dump daily, please switch to a weekly schedule, because it's now generated weekly.
< 1512822455 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least if you're not using zsync.)
< 1512822459 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: DVD is a collector's item
< 1512822546 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Because of bandwidth constraints?
< 1512822768 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let's say it felt like the right tradeoff to make, judging from edit frequency. I don't think daily would be an issue, but there are many days with no edits (though recently's been pretty active).
< 1512822947 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, are you asking pople not to do it because of bandwidth constraints?
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< 1512823038 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much should I pay esolangs.org for daily dump download dispensation?
< 1512823062 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :More out of a general sense of appropriateness. It doesn't seem to make sense to download it more frequently than it's generated.
< 1512823129 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If y'all (that's the word, right?) do prefer to have it generated daily, we can do daily.
< 1512823220 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single person downloading the non-zsync dump every day would mean about +2 GiB/month; we're around ~100 GiB/month as it is, with a nominal limit of 1 TiB/month.
< 1512823613 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have metrics on how much zsync saves. :/
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< 1512825134 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The xml dump is a single file, so I guess the main benefit is that zsync is cheap when there's no new dump.
< 1512825311 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 440964486 / 215318
< 1512825313 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2047.968520978274
< 1512825611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought zsync's supposed to be clever about downloading only changed parts within files? 
< 1512825649 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, it writes the rsync-style per-block checksums to the metadata file it downloads, and then does HTTP range requests to get only the necessary bytes.
< 1512825650 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently the .zsync file contains a header and 11 bytes (hmm, 3 bytes weak and 8 bytes strong hash?) per 2048 byte chunk of the /uncompressed/ esolang.xml file.
< 1512825786 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Let me read a bit more.
< 1512825803 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zsync.moria.org.uk/paper/ is what I was basing that on.
< 1512825844 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're using "zsyncmake -z" on the original uncompressed dump.)
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< 1512826096 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it sounds like it should do a decent job. (Rolling hashes, on uncompressed data, plus offset information for peaking into the right locations of the .gz file)
< 1512826204 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. "But it is possible to decompress the file and then recompress it with a variety of options, until a set of options is found that produces a file identical to the original."
< 1512826425 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... I'd hope to see savings in the 20x to 30x range (30 is an upper bound coming from the size of the esolang.xml.zsync file itself), and just a couple of hundred bytes download if the contents has not been changed at all.
< 1512826454 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that the wiki dump doesn't randomly shuffle pages.
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< 1512828137 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've seen, it's in article ID order.
< 1512828148 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think.
< 1512828185 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be confusing that with the file cache rebuild script, they both print similar outputs.
< 1512828264 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :zcat esolang.xml.gz | grep '^    '   looks pretty monotonic, so I guess that's right.
< 1512828371 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people who really want full dumps, offering a .xz might help; that shrinks the 66MB (gzip) to 20MB (xz).
< 1512828470 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, 21MB. gzip -9 is 63MB, bzip2 -9 results in 33MB)
< 1512828527 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gzip -9 may interfere with the zsync, of course)
< 1512828548 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference in compression ratio there is kind-of astonishing 
< 1512828599 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could steal an algorithm from the Human Knowledge Compression Contest? that specifically uses MediaWiki dumps as the test case for compression
< 1512828635 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's no real point in using compression software that isn't commonly available, I think.
< 1512828781 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/GOVA ... that's the things I could think of
< 1512828873 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Do you want to check what the --rsync flag does to the gzip lines? 
< 1512828876 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :While you're at it...
< 1512828988 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip -9 --rsync results in 64528216 (instead of 62915220)
< 1512829073 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 64528216 / 62915220
< 1512829076 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.025637612011847
< 1512829111 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This increase size by less than 1 percent most cases." ... well close enough I guess
< 1512829254 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :whateverhewants
< 1512829279 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: looks like the second-place entry is GPL
< 1512829468 0 :whateverhewants!?@? NICK :sdhand
< 1512829648 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles his thumbs

< 1512829744 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some paq variant can squeeze out a bit more indeed. http://sprunge.us/bjUW
< 1512829797 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I expect that most linux systems at least have xz these days; I had not heard of lrz before.
< 1512829867 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about brotli? ;) (I don't think it's going to set any records.)
< 1512829935 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I'll pass
< 1512829970 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually let me check if I have a package
< 1512830050 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long it'll take though
< 1512830243 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wow.
< 1512830263 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> gzip -d < esolang.xml.gz | brotli | wc -c ==> 20748329
< 1512830266 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:26: error: parse error on input ‘|’
< 1512830273 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about 3 minutes
< 1512830419 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should've timed all those commands

< 1512831397 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice bump over gzip. I wonder if there's some non-inlined resources I could brotli precompress, given that a bunch of browsers do support it.
< 1512831591 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/KJOL 
< 1512831616 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's enough playing around with compressors
< 1512831654 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last two entries say something about the (lack of) worth of hyperthreading for BWT based compression.
< 1512832045 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:291f:928:64c2:721e PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you like "Do you like this?"?
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< 1512837927 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🌽
< 1512837929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1F33D EAR OF MAIZE]
< 1512838017 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, useful bot
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< 1512840279 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tempted to add https://xkcd.com/1926/ to the topic
< 1512840349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not insane enough
< 1512840362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell isn't particularly inappropriate for HTML parsing
< 1512840365 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do it
< 1512840373 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm int-e 
< 1512840375 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's hard to see why the spreadsheet formula would help
< 1512840375 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps not, but it reminds me of the time I wrote a Perl program that generated a Java program that generated a Java program.)
< 1512840404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack 4's build process involves a Perl program that builds a C program then runs it to generate another C program
< 1512840406 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: likely not new to you, but just in case https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
< 1512840414 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is one of the /least/ insane parts of it :-D
< 1512840429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: quine relays are fairly boring IMO because it's basically just a whole load of nested print statements
< 1512840441 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I've definitely seen some version of that idea.
< 1512840442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many languages does it have, incidentally?
< 1512840455 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 128
< 1512840480 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's less than I was expecting
< 1512840518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, have a program that prints a different integer in each of 159 different languages: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/149451
< 1512840543 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the most recently added was Literate Agda)
< 1512840560 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slightly cheating because you can often bridge several programming languages in one step at little cost, just given a function that turns a string into a program that prints it.
< 1512840587 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I assumed it did that for every language
< 1512840589 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps not cheating, but this demystifies this whole thing quite a bit.
< 1512840594 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just used one language to revert the whole mess at the end
< 1512840603 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well you actually have to diagonalize from time to time.
< 1512840614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you'd only diagonalize once
< 1512840618 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1512840635 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I imagine it would grow too big to actually be executed that way in some steps.
< 1512840677 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming that that would actually be smaller
< 1512840727 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's whitespace, intercal, and brainfuck in the loop, all of which explode for string constants, I think.
< 1512840740 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1512840765 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never looked closely so you may well be right
< 1512840782 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe all three are linear
< 1512840788 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just more than 1 byte per byte
< 1512840798 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1512840823 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, I can't think of an esolang offhand in which encoding strings is O(n²)
< 1512840826 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is surprising
< 1512840845 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, in terms of source code length; there are likely several which are O(n²) at printing them)
< 1512840854 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the readme starts with $ ulimit -s unlimited
< 1512840937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me shudder a bit, I naturally want to write it as -Ss, but then I realised the two are equivalent in this case
< 1512840967 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( getting a new shell is cheap )
< 1512840983 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without -S the ulimit is unincreasable within that shell session, which is useful to stop potentially rogue programs undoing it but isn't what you want to catch honest mistakes; however, if you're setting it to unlimited, that hardly matters…)
< 1512841077 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the build process use a Perl program and then it builts a C program and then another C program? It seem like strange to me
< 1512841201 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the Perl program automates the entire build; the first C program parses the source of the second C program and generates things like constants based on string literals
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< 1512842485 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would thre be a possibility compiling NetHack into RogueVM? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/roguevm I have written a section at the end with some considerations about NetHack
< 1512842610 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, hangup saves won't be a problem in RogueVM.
< 1512842678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can it handle function pointers? NetHack needs those
< 1512842732 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the data storage model is quite different from NetHack's, you could probably compile into it but you'd be missing most of the features
< 1512842747 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and most versions of NetHack use the "struct hack"; I think it might have been removed from 3.6 though)
< 1512842762 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; any function pointer is a number indexing into the function table, so you can use those numbers as function pointers.
< 1512842794 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but things like "input map coordinates" aren't really useful for NetHack because NetHack does things /during/ the coordinate input process
< 1512842810 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as jumping to monsters on keypress, hover-farlook, and the like
< 1512842823 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The document is not yet complete; I did intend to add support for those kind of things too
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< 1512842866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the data storage model though, it could be "hidden behind" the implementations of malloc() and such, if needed
< 1512842959 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I should add is support for use of multiple character sets (the user configuration or something else determines what is used)
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< 1512843328 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can see some of the sections say (TODO) on it; maybe you have some suggestions relating to them.
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< 1512843964 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AlphaZero learns Chess and surpasses StockFish" -- while burning about 2MW of electricity in TPUs.
< 1512843987 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I cut the quote short, it said "in 4 hours"
< 1512844015 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it still win if its power were cut down?
< 1512844082 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, that is the power spent while training. The power for playing is probably a fairly normal 1-2kW.
< 1512844086 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we must expect a correlation between power usage and chess skill. humans are much better than birds at chess after all
< 1512844112 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :("normal" for a high end PC/server)
< 1512844145 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well yeah. power/time tradeoffs
< 1512844219 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rumors are that they didn't give Stockfish any opening book or table bases. Oh and 1GB of hashtables are mentioned in the whitepaper which isn't so much either.
< 1512844308 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that seems unfair. tablebases are an important part of stockfish's strength. alphazero doesn't and shouldn't need them.
< 1512844352 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, even without them, it held alphazero to a draw in a large majority of games
< 1512844365 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, chess is a draw :P
< 1512844419 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does randomness enter those algorithms? they are obviously not deterministic
< 1512844433 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't alphazero necessarily be stronger if given tablebases?
< 1512844450 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there's no need for an approximate evaluation function if you have a mathematically correct one
< 1512844456 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have some MCTS on top of the neural network; the policy part of the network is used to determine probabilities of where to explore next.
< 1512844477 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it learned enough to produce the same results as the tablebases i think
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< 1512844507 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure it would necessarily be stronger, against a non-perfect opponent.
< 1512844508 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason they use MCTS not alpha-beta is because the neural network's evaluations are somewhat unstable (= more sensitive than they should be to small changes in the input) and MCTS is better at coping with the instability
< 1512844547 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so your idea is that alphazero evaluation is better than tablebases at determining which lines an opponent is likely to misplay?
< 1512844554 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with tablebases it's hard to go for tricking the opponent)
< 1512844562 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does milwaukee county transit system have to do with it?
< 1512844576 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know.
< 1512844578 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monte-carlo tree search
< 1512844588 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But this is a possible way that adding tablebases could make a program weaker.
< 1512844592 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1512844706 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may also add odd discontinuities in an evaluation function, if it's used in the tree search (starting from a non-table-base position).
< 1512844778 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One conservative idea that should definitely work is to take the MCTS move and override it if it worsens the evaluation according to tablebases.
< 1512844810 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that definitely works
< 1512844811 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "work" means it should not weaken the engine.
< 1512844833 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless playing against execptionally bad opposition :P)
< 1512844847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or along similar lines, the only allowable moves should be those that are tablebase-optimal but you use the normal algorithm to choose between them
< 1512845050 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if theres a way to use the first few moves or games to determine the opponents strengtha
< 1512845085 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if found to be much lower, go for slightly suboptimal moves that are likely to be badly mise aluated
< 1512845137 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you recognize bad moves then you can probably exploit them anyway :P
< 1512845163 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I cannot really answer the question.)
< 1512845173 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have managed to make an alternative way to make a Minsky machine with Crement
< 1512845196 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except maybe that opening books cover the first few moves so you shouldn't hope to learn much about the opponent's strength from those.)
< 1512845199 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, if you're playing against an opponent who has a tablebase, you can assume that it's not going to play tablebase-suboptimal moves
< 1512845208 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're up at stockfish's or alphazero's level, all viable opponents will have one
< 1512845421 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :171
< 1512845445 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.
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< 1512845797 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but maybe after a few games you can recognize a weaker player who relies heavily on books and tablebases, and do a better job of steering them into the weeds where those will be less useful
< 1512846191 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can get the full game theory... in the next iteration, players can emulate weak players and then strike when the other player tries to exploit those weaknesses ;)
< 1512846207 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not full game theory, just the two player zero sum part, I guess)
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< 1512852296 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here used https://www.ponylang.org/ ?
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< 1512857536 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: cool idea. hard to exploit. what if you have to lose two games to convince your opponent to help you win one?
< 1512857564 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon it becomes a matter of exploiting the number of games in the match
< 1512857629 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point you hide the number of games to be played from the competitors. (of course, i dont think they give them that info to begin with)
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< 1512863138 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try to flip a thing.
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< 1512864100 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b
< 1512864106 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily!
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< 1512864829 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1512864832 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1512864847 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. flip flap flop flup flep ♪
< 1512864862 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1512864862 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 100000Z 01005KT 15SM FEW070 OVC180 M03/M07 A2984 RMK AC1CI8 AC TR SLP112
< 1512865068 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: flep?
< 1512865068 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ignoring a validating structural editor, what other options are there :-)_ cube
< 1512865089 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: FOUR DAYS ROTATIONS IN THE VALIDATING STRUCTURAL EDITOR.
< 1512865089 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: unless it uses recursion a lot of
< 1512865106 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of course it recurses. how else can you achieve four days in one?
< 1512865106 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " this is imperative code" or " ooo" in the memory of the routine, to get to bed
< 1512866162 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is snow here finally
< 1512866201 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more time cunes plz
< 1512866206 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cubes
< 1512866214 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry im drunkish
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< 1512871034 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way to clean the computer display? I got a new one today, which works, but, it is dirty.
< 1512871096 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using a glasses wiper cloth
< 1512871120 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have one of those somewhere
< 1512871121 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't work, wet a cloth with windex and wipe it and then wipe it dry
< 1512871138 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unfortunately, I forgot where I put it)
< 1512871462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made this list of file formats that my Farbfeld Utilities programs supports so far http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Farbfeld_Utilities (some of the formats are obscure) Anyone who is wanting to write any new public domain C program to read/write other picture file formats, to please to do so. Someone also can make a logo for this Farbfeld Utilities collection if they want to do so, please.
< 1512871876 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a stuck pixel in my computer.
< 1512872201 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1512872257 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be annoying
< 1512872546 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to fix it?
< 1512872571 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't. i've never heard of a fix for that.
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< 1512874965 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only downside of being supported by Bytemark is that they don't have a Hexham data centre. It would be appropriate :P
< 1512877234 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: TIL there's an iPhone-only PNG variant.
< 1512877240 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goofy.
< 1512877337 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those changes at least make some sense, but others are just weird.
< 1512877476 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like chicken of the woods?
< 1512877611 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that's just "chicken" right?
< 1512877750 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a fungus.
< 1512877762 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it
< 1512878323 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, and I don't know why, but, there is.
< 1512878348 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, reading such format is not so difficult to implement using existing PNG reader library, by adding a few extra codes.
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< 1512878459 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of the formats listed there have you heard of (or used) before?
< 1512878667 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd used 9, and heard of more.
< 1512878688 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones?
< 1512878721 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMP, GIF, JPEG, MacPaint, PBM, PNM, PNG, XBM, XPM.
< 1512878754 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1512878786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those are some of the more common ones, anyways, I suppose.
< 1512878824 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, those are basically the ones that are common in consumer or developer use, plus one that would be used by anyone that'd played around on old Macs.
< 1512878969 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although most programs that support XPM seem to not support XPM2 format.
< 1512879007 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is odd, as that one seems easier to support.
< 1512879018 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *massively*, but easier.
< 1512879054 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does seem a bit odd, to me, too
< 1512879068 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you like it?
< 1512879070 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trivial to support if you support XPM3.
< 1512879076 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? it
< 1512879077 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have been certainly so, but `8ball refused to coöperate.
< 1512879079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it at Berkeley Bowl today.
< 1512879084 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think I've had chicken of the woods, actually.
< 1512879111 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like it'd be tasty though.
< 1512879123 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly quite unusual for a mushroom.
< 1512879136 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn It is this.
< 1512879256 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is this, it is this that oppresses my soul, / When I think of my uncle's last words: / And my heart is like nothing so much as a bowl / Brimming over with quivering curds!
< 1512879263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is this, it is this--" "We have had that before!" / The Bellman indignantly said. / And the Baker replied "Let me say it once more. / It is this, it is this that I dread!
< 1512879332 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, my own software does support all three XPM formats (both for reading and for writing), including monochrome, grey scale, colour overriding, and stippling (which isn't actually a feature of the file format (so any program that can read XPM will still read these files), but rather is a way to make the monochrome version of a picture using non-solid "colours").
< 1512879537 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine XZIP Picture Library format might be one of the most obscure file formats I have listed in there, because as far as I can tell, there is no other software that can read/write such format, and I have found only one file of that format (which was probably written using software that no longer exists).
< 1512880149 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know the *name* of the program that was supposed to implement it?
< 1512880228 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. That's a Z-machine thing. It might've been Infocom-internal, actually?
< 1512880268 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, I do not know the name of the program, either. Although yes, I do believe it probably was Infocom-internal program that was used to write that file.
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< 1512880558 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some of Infocom's source codes, but none that implement that file format.
< 1512880769 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have figured out a much shorter way to make Minsky machine with Crement, although I am unsure if it is correct. Each register needs two instructions, and then increment becomes five instructions and decrement becomes seven instructions. I have implemented each register as: -D 0 initial_value +J 0 1
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< 1512906736 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1512906736 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 101120Z 06007KT 4600 -RA SCT004 BKN010 BKN015 01/00 Q0972 TEMPO 1000 SN BKN003
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< 1512914912 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
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< 1512928769 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know if what I did is correct or not though
< 1512928838 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because, it is untested, and I might not have look at it carefully enough)
< 1512928919 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, this is what I have: For increment, it is:  +A R @+2 +A R+1 @+1 +J R 1 +D @+1 0 +D R 0  For decrement, it is:  +A R @+2 +A R+1 @+1 +J R 1 -J next_if_zero 0 +A R R-1 +A R+1 @+1 +J R 1
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< 1512933881 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you are in london?
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< 1512938275 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07S.I.L.O.S14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53558&oldid=49801 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+0) 10Fixed link formatting
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< 1512939806 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some sort of bfzip or something that produces higher compression rates than gzip and implements brainfuck (or something) under the hood?
< 1512940145 0 :choco_chuck!~jsc@milstar.rpisec.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rar format has a VM in it: https://github.com/taviso/rarvmtools
< 1512940150 0 :choco_chuck!~jsc@milstar.rpisec.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is something like what you mean
< 1512940453 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZPAQ also can include instructions
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< 1512942214 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07S.I.L.O.S14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53559&oldid=53558 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-170) 10This article needs some serious reformatting but here's a start
< 1512942350 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes.
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< 1512942533 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what caused all that snow in the normally-snow-free parts of the northeast atlantic?
< 1512942551 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it related to the unusual snow we had here last weekend?
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< 1512944201 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how weather works, really. There was a storm they were talking about earlier, but I'm not sure if that's related.
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< 1512959626 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry for the jumping around, I'm fiddling with it.)
< 1512960613 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do the hokie pokie, that's what its all about
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< 1512967781 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short implementation of "Unnecessary" esolang in JavaScript:  require("fs").stat(process.argv[2],x=>x||y)
< 1512967838 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you can do better:  require("fs").stat(process.argv[2],x=>x._)
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< 1512990148 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1512990150 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​the universe//The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. Escardó proved that it was indiscreet.
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< 1512991532 0 :mroman!a055e8e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody dissed Delphi just before I left.
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< 1513008745 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1513008745 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
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< 1513013624 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 here's a message so you don't keep coming up empty-handed
< 1513013624 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513013657 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK for there not to be messages
< 1513013668 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting: http://plato.asu.edu/sub/pns.html list of numeric optimization software
< 1513013669 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I typically don't speak in here immediately upon connecting
< 1513013683 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone does send me a message it seems impolite to not let lambdabot know I want to read it
< 1513013703 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lambdabot sends the reminders by PM if you don't ask explicitly in-channel, which is easy to miss
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< 1513015991 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D15D.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a esoteric programming language, which is based on a embedded database (like table files or sqlite), reads a start node from a start table and then jump through table entries while processing
< 1513016067 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqlite is basically an esolang in its own right
< 1513016222 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it reads triggers from the database itself
< 1513016242 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the special root table I think
< 1513016335 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, reads them from the special sqlite_master table
< 1513016567 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what SQLite does
< 1513016711 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DenseComet 5*  10New user account
< 1513016845 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53560&oldid=53536 5* 03DenseComet 5* (+197) 10Added myself
< 1513016946 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some thing SQLite doesn't have (such as some more mathematical and statistical functions, although they can easily be added on by extensions, so that is OK), but the built-in stuff is good enough to make a Mandelbrot set and to solve a Sudoku puzzle
< 1513017367 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
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< 1513018024 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make a SQLite extension for using PCRE, and due to that, have reported a bug with the auxdata functions (when used in multiple triggers at once), which they have since corrected.
< 1513018412 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D15D.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1513018723 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D15D.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to have language where every statement follows the same concept (with minimal syntax). I would imagine a STATEMENT layout like: A = B | C | (D | E); and so on; but in a way that it can express functions, I/O, arithmetic ...
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< 1513018823 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D15D.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or every statement like: THING = BASE | MODIFIER || PARTA | PARTB ...
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< 1513026304 0 :esowiki!~esowiki@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unnecessary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53561&oldid=26444 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+335) 10Implementation in JavaScript (which is a bit strange)
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< 1513026409 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description for Unnecessary says: "If the file doesn't exist, run NOP and end the program execution successfully. If the file exists, report an error and terminate immediately." It does not say what kind of error message, so it seem the implementation I made in JavaScript does that.
< 1513026642 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
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< 1513027263 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! My new keyboard arrived to the post office, I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow morning as I go to work.
< 1513027268 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clicky clicky!
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< 1513028489 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fishing clicks
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< 1513033860 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubbly bubbly bitcoins
< 1513034399 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubblerjan.
< 1513034571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bitcoin
< 1513034572 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoins are coins that have been drilled through with a bit, and can be strung together in long chains. This practice dates to ancient China, and the Chinese remain experts in bitcoin manufacturing. A chain can support up to 21 million coins before breaking.
< 1513034600 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you read Matt Levine twh
< 1513034692 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf. pooch pooch pooch pooch pooch pooch pooch.
< 1513034734 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I wanted to watch YSAE but apparently they don't allow new subscriptions #scow
< 1513034888 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an YSAE twh
< 1513034904 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ysae
< 1513034905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysae? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513034949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "You Suck At Everything" hth
< 1513034955 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1513034958 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh.
< 1513035059 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYSLAE?
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< 1513035268 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before anyone asks, the new words are "now" and "less")
< 1513035477 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's very experimental, but it's up (for now): https://esolangs.org/logs/ 
< 1513035484 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lots to tweak still.)
< 1513035733 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, seems that I forgot to have code for formatting NICK commands.)
< 1513035948 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test test test test test 12test 僕のホバークラフトは鰻でいっぱいです
< 1513035983 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : test test test test test 12test 
< 1513036015 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮ
< 1513036028 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the formatting sanitization needs work.
< 1513036052 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DROPPED THE MULTIOCULAR O. PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL.
< 1513036077 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, time to brave the elements and go inhale a relaxing poutine...
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< 1513036105 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that's odd. It's supposed to just filter out everything < 32, and serve whatever bytes the logs contain (with charset=utf-8 headers).
< 1513036202 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, signed chars.
< 1513036225 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the ꙮ should be back, at least.
< 1513036281 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Méh-raj duruzsol szellős fák alól, 
fürjek dala száll tó partján. Let's see how it deals with HTML tags.
< 1513036310 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :escapes them, it seems
< 1513036327 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just the <&> set.
< 1513036346 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Will you add raw format too?
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< 1513036397 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you like. Should it be the same raw format as the codu.org logs? (The "native" raw format is protos.)
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< 1513036438 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What is "protos"?
< 1513036462 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protocol Buffers, https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/
< 1513036495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same format as codu.org logs would work.
< 1513036529 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why not expose protos? twh
< 1513036536 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see  how   it    handles     multiple      adjacent       spaces.
< 1513036556 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I thought I styled that right, but apparently not.
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< 1513036572 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The codu.org format sounds easy enough. The old logs will have a little bit less information, though, because I backfilled them from my own logs, which don't have all the information. :/
< 1513036577 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the third playable race besides teran and zerg
< 1513036592 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is psionic, and its units are expensive
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< 1513036708 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that format like codu.org logs would be best, or, if you do not have sub-second precision, alternatively my own "SIRCL" format, where each IRC command is prefixed by a decimal UNIX timestamp and a tab.
< 1513036774 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What timing precision does your logs have?
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< 1513036799 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they have no mouth. Evolved to be breatharian or something.
< 1513036821 320776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1513036827 327651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:tanstaaha//tanstaaha, so please stop using them. That would help. \ cat introduction//cat introduction is the process of piping one or more extra `cat` commands into your pipeline; occasionally this is even actually useful. \ nlhp//nlhp is a hockey programme. \ emacs//emacs is the weird brother of nano. \ extreme irony//Extreme irony
< 1513036829 218165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1513036830 96006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: O, is that StarCraft? I think I have heard of that (Sirlin mentioned it a few times).
< 1513036830 383439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:is what happens when you get a Darwin award for extreme ironing.
< 1513036838 821981 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes
< 1513036878 158553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat elimination
< 1513036879 580291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat elimination is the process of replacing a one-argument `cat` command with the shell operator <
< 1513036883 846072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/nlhp
< 1513036885 306859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/nlhp: No such file or directory
< 1513036917 997952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I generated from my own logs have one second precision, the ones the bot's recording now use microseconds.
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< 1513036988 229381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O, OK. Either SIRCL or codu.org format should be acceptable; if using codu.org format then the ones that don't have microseconds you could put zero perhaps, maybe
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< 1513037865 376410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re spaces, that was just a CSS mistake, turns out the property is "white-space" and not "whitespace".
< 1513037901 17466 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: let  me    see      then
< 1513037932 78101 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: by the way, can you link to the other two log sites please?
< 1513037954 270532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From where, the index page? 
< 1513037962 50301 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1513037970 517084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'll add a TODO.
< 1513038000 844814 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the spaces look better now. Thanks.
< 1513038019 64345 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can I link your logs from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal ?
< 1513038079 485730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Eventually, sure, but they might not be quite ready for consumption yet. In particular, the index doesn't pick up new daily logs automatically yet, amusingly enough. Let me do a little bit of polish before that.
< 1513038095 779998 :wob_jonas!b03f1809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1513039872 36870 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no hth
< 1513039883 166032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the bad answer hth
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< 1513042442 190523 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1513042456 311051 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this chan is about esoteric programming languages?
< 1513042461 801057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome alexThinkpad
< 1513042463 591249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alexThinkpad: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1513042499 764423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteri.ca is for sale for $2000
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< 1513042574 632865 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello humans
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< 1513043387 108072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alexThinkpad: Yes
< 1513044535 295904 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something better than regex?
< 1513044549 520501 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :alexThinkpad: for?
< 1513044558 408673 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for similar thing that r regex for
< 1513044586 548236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it depend the use I suppose, regex seem good enough for many of the thing that it is in use for
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< 1513044630 389037 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so ... what else that can also be somehow good is there else than regex similar like regex?
< 1513044763 960454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give some examples of what you might be doing with it?
< 1513044782 683649 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhh... let me thin
< 1513044784 898119 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think
< 1513044806 731170 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex belongs to grammars in theoretical computer science
< 1513044847 32068 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about grammars that r either turing complete or a bit more (half) turing complete than regexes already r
< 1513044858 208004 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, u can not do anything with regex
< 1513044863 807880 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cauz they r limeted
< 1513044879 137861 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they r not turing complete
< 1513044888 407334 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the chomsky hierachy
< 1513044923 678633 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there r also other comparable things like regex
< 1513044929 560215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also DFA
< 1513044963 778339 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't need to be better in all than regex, but only for certain use cases
< 1513045001 674309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what kind of use cases?
< 1513045013 630168 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :domain specific language also exists
< 1513045027 584201 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk if that could be such
< 1513045048 438054 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsers
< 1513045054 724135 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsers in general r use cases
< 1513045071 887979 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compilers to
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< 1513045454 467905 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what also would be really good, if u know how to add turing complete (pyhton) code to the regexes to make it then afterwards turing complete
< 1513045477 101846 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be good to have certain sourcecode recepies
< 1513045488 556996 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for how to combine both worlds best
< 1513045501 624758 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so u don't need something better than regexes
< 1513045537 424996 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is software using regex that supports flags and jumps
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< 1513045562 436568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCRE does some things
< 1513045568 135907 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be that this already make this turing complete and if not, it still becomes a little nearer to turing completeness this way
< 1513045597 70297 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that Perl is the best regex thing
< 1513045680 556311 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using sed, python, grep, vim for doing things with regexes
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< 1513045816 986396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use grep and sed and awk and vim, doing things with regexes, and also sometimes JavaScript
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< 1513045835 182845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have also written a SQLite extension to use PCRE)
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< 1513046093 390785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one SQL code that uses the extension for PCRE:  http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cards.sql
< 1513046164 784072 :alexThinkpad!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:40a6:4491:d29f:d794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :)
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< 1513075968 391110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1? logs
< 1513075972 765596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? logs
< 1513075974 84279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs: see channel topic.
< 1513076186 77702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the raw logs like https://esolangs.org/logs/2017-12-12-raw.txt , the second word of the timestamp is in what unit? 
< 1513076268 84212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you know esolan.gs is available
< 1513076278 438028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come you don't use that one twh
< 1513076338 543854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Looks like microseconds? What else would it be?
< 1513076358 625945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's the microseconds fraction.
< 1513076365 242594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just following codu.org example.
< 1513076425 552704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the code that generates this public?
< 1513076431 482659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the proto file?
< 1513076480 190886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll put it to github eventually. At the moment it's in the same repository as some unpublished stuff, because there were useful bits in there already.
< 1513076483 169510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazel and the "single workspace syndrome", you know.
< 1513076537 488212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1513076550 824253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of the big scows of the single repository model.
< 1513076574 822853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that people have been gravitating towards the repositories.bzl model of dependency handling in bazel.
< 1513076587 891484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that?
< 1513076651 905305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking it up the first thing I see is a deprecated repository.
< 1513076672 285668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like some secret Google sauce may have been leaked.
< 1513076691 902561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember where the canonical example was.
< 1513076698 664094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_go/blob/master/go/private/repositories.bzl ?
< 1513076707 957995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jupp0r/prometheus-cpp/blob/master/repositories.bzl  looks almost like it, except it's missing the "omit" flags from the last def.
< 1513076739 411572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like there's a few different styles.
< 1513076775 583115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I'm familiar with looks a little like that, except you pass boolean flags to the 'def go_rules_dependencies' controlling which deps it will include or not.
< 1513076797 678449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know github.com tar.gz files for a given tag are nondeterministic?
< 1513076813 289538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's one: https://github.com/grpc/grpc-java/blob/master/repositories.bzl
< 1513076816 378988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it decides to regenerate them and ends up with a different tar file.
< 1513076826 19995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that. That's terrible.
< 1513076912 472234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're all these repositories.bzl things accomplishing?
< 1513076977 72673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They let you use someone else's repository without having to manually define all the dependencies it has in your own WORKSPACE file. The omit_X flags (and the 'maybe' trick in rules_go) let you still override them if you want to be in control.
< 1513077039 963157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your own WORKSPACE you'd just  load("@someone_else//:repositories.bzl", "someone_else_repositories")  someone_else_repositories(omit_something=True)
< 1513077119 722820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look for a place that uses this.
< 1513077175 351915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't GitHub support global search across all repositories?
< 1513077200 573682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One might imagine that you could make a pretty nice tool for that sort of thing.
< 1513077220 669832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like some sort of a... search for code? A code search? 
< 1513077449 931115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still mad about how Topográf has been driven to stop making maps of Budapest, and all we have is these stupid Cartographia maps that are so much worse in quality
< 1513077456 213082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the thing that wasn't clear to me was that maven_jar defines a repository.
< 1513077477 839643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it defined a build target.
< 1513077479 454052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been like six years now, but that doesn't help because the city is still here and I still need a fuckign map
< 1513077506 992845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that macro is intended to be used in a WORKSPACE, not in a BUILD file.
< 1513077510 421191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I see that it defines a repository and then you depend on "@repository//jar"
< 1513077517 715584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1513077525 762176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: microseconds. ok, thanks
< 1513077532 355160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic problem is, when you have a workspace rule like  http_archive(name = "foo", ...)  bazel doesn't really look[*1] at the WORKSPACE file it downloads, so if the build rules in that workspace expect there to be an external repository @bar, they won't work unless you define 'bar' in *your* WORKSPACE. The repositories.bzl trick just makes that a little more painless.  [*1] Except nowadays it checks 
< 1513077538 762748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :the workspace name against the name you've given it.
< 1513077624 668494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "Why doesn't GitHub support global search across all repositories?" => I think they used to have that. didn't they? at least I heard of multiple people doing searches, but maybe they cloned everything.
< 1513077663 595457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, even if they did I'd complain because it's not as good as fizzie's hypothetical tool.
< 1513077670 947040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in particular, some people have searched for database passwords embedded literally in code, which was some sort of fashion back then, and someone searched for something about constants or whatever
< 1513077718 305206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway one time I was using bazel and it gave an error because a tar.gz archive had changed. It turned out github was to blame.
< 1513077742 880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's still happening as of Sep: https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/issues/12979
< 1513077822 107823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Presumably if you have a "real" project at a "real" company, you want to download all the repositories you depend on anyway, so you can build if github or maven or whatever goes down.
< 1513077843 273546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case I guess you just omit everything and do it yourself?
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< 1513078378 453451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging from the left-pad fiasco, a lot of "real" companies don't do that. But yeah, if you're doing that you probably won't use the repositories.bzl.
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< 1513078831 937947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would be good enough if there was a content-addressed repository that http_archive() etc. could look things up in.
< 1513078859 592508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you could even put these things inside your repository! But not if you use git.
< 1513079010 233128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why isn't FUSE the standard interface for version control systems, anyway?
< 1513079021 947179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't actually modifying filese on the filesystem a bit archaic?
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< 1513080639 356108 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :found an article about solving a sudoku using SQL: https://www.percona.com/blog/2017/11/22/sudoku-recursive-common-table-expression-solver/
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< 1513090064 949149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1513090200 459779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm careless and ran the wrong command
< 1513090219 796891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I tried to fix the mess and panicked and ran more wrong commands
< 1513090223 175670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to clean up the mess
< 1513090294 508477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't lose any data at least, thanks to the vcs
< 1513090482 493130 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: take a short break, get a glass of water
< 1513090546 881896 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or milk
< 1513090803 204580 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milk is also good
< 1513090824 10142 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1513091050 266635 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just uploaded my text table database library: https://github.com/zserik/zsdatab
< 1513091073 179091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that
< 1513091318 21922 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit esoteric, as it hasn't a SQL frontend, uses simple text files in the backend and uses (mathematic-) set-like table contexts to search and manipulate data.
< 1513093428 16362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: is there docs for it?
< 1513093666 850956 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko NICK :Tanebobsled
< 1513093979 64138 :Tanebobsled!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko NICK :Sd-Nicholas
< 1513094768 531673 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not jet
< 1513094840 118804 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the src/entry.cxx file (the command line frontend) shows the basic usage of tables and contexts
< 1513094883 402549 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :transactions are like contexts, but they don't hold data, only the commands that will be applied to them
< 1513094933 319463 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :transaction commands also optimize themself by looking at the last 'pushed' command and possible modification of that
< 1513095058 890872 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the header file src/zsdatable.hpp contains the whole public API, but the only function I really described inside it is inner_join, because it's a newer function needed in practical usage
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< 1513097207 408335 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it feels so late
< 1513097210 522952 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quarter to 5
< 1513097212 826908 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm
< 1513097244 663562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :move to central europe :P
< 1513097257 7977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though a quarter to 6 isn't much better, I suppose)
< 1513097310 586390 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my five year plan involves moving to Italy
< 1513097348 523602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your what?
< 1513097416 593335 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan for the next five years
< 1513097530 257816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The last time I had a five year plan was in 1986 to 1989...)
< 1513097560 733542 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what was your age in 1986?)
< 1513097565 953776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it didn't end well. (This is referring to GDR (aka Eastern Germany)
< 1513097570 643904 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I see)
< 1513097607 846472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say I wasn't a teenager yet.
< 1513097631 589701 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yeah, my plan is to work for a few years here, save up a pile of money, then move to my girlfriend's flat in Italy and try to do a PhD near there
< 1513097678 878944 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard it would be to convince my bank and my employer to let me get paid and save my money in euros...
< 1513097720 88392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read document about OpenID Connect, is there a way to access RDF data with it and/or to use with command-line access and other non-HTML-based access?
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> 1513099703 405176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WLoop14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53570 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+3611) 10Created page with "'''WLoop''' (pronounced "double loop") is a [[Turing-complete]] language based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOOP_(programming_language) LOOP] and [https://en.wikipedia.or..."
> 1513099727 607949 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WLoop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53571&oldid=53570 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+99) 10
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< 1513100036 484113 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsdatab documentation https://github.com/zserik/zsdatab/blob/master/README.md
> 1513100173 980510 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WLoop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53572&oldid=53571 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+0) 10/* Example U-functions */
< 1513100209 173354 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-157-84.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah
< 1513100239 431175 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-157-84.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Guest6549
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< 1513100389 735904 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: zsdatab doc https://github.com/zserik/zsdatab/blob/master/README.md
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< 1513101292 690073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: ah, so you don't even pretend to take sql-like syntax?
< 1513101304 233442 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead have some completely different syntaxd
< 1513101305 283830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1513101373 22228 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a simple CLi and I find SQL overly complex, instead I use set-like operations to emulate select statements ...
< 1513101619 584034 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. instead of SQL "SELECT ... WHERE x = 'abc', b = 'dcd'" it uses "ctx.filter("x", "abc").filter("b", "dcd")"
< 1513101680 300738 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or SQL "SELECT WHERE NOT x = 'abc'" -> "ctx.filter("x", "abc").negate()"
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< 1513101983 274686 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I use native C++ and would recommend using C++ in zsdatab clients for the interface, I omit quoting errors
< 1513103047 495134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: ok. how do you find the next row with a key higher or lower than a certain value, to iterate on rows in a certain order?
< 1513103187 801778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, provided there's CREATE TABLE t(k, w, v); CREATE INDEX i ON t(k ASC, w ASC); how do you find SELECT w, v FROM t WHERE ? = k AND ? < w ORDER BY w LIMIT 1;
< 1513103241 210598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposing there are also rows in the table already
< 1513103373 139971 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must go through the data buffer manually. 1. use 'tab.data()' to get the buffer. 2. use c++11 for(auto &&i : tab.data()) for iterating and tab.get_metadata().get_field_nr(...) to find the column nr
< 1513104249 738217 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://gist.github.com/zserik/911ad922cec6c9b95269102523efdbf8
< 1513104450 870140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: so you have to query all the SELECT w,v FROM t WHERE ? = k; and then process it by hand. ok.
< 1513104464 874031 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1513104596 716317 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had good luck that I kept the zsdatab::metadata.serialize method public
< 1513104601 451590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? font
< 1513104602 586194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz
< 1513104628 669770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add my font there? 
< 1513104750 584406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr github... a lost cookie is no excuse for losing the ticket text I just typed.
< 1513104821 2368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wc wisdom/font
< 1513104821 712177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​  1  16 265 wisdom/font
< 1513104878 885102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you have a font?
< 1513104900 112543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, add it. 
< 1513105070 799243 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this line of perl is a little too perlly
< 1513105073 784761 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$svnrev = $1 if +(grep /Revision/,split(/\n/,`svn info`))[0] =~ m/(\d+)/;
< 1513105081 100198 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1513105162 495025 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure how I can make it less perlly
< 1513105188 945641 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? perl
< 1513105189 923089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is the Perfect Emacs Rewriting Language
< 1513105225 172569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i -e "s|$| , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font|" wisdom/font
< 1513105227 457241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513105231 189604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's a 4x6 pixel font (with 3x5 characters) I made for the robotfindskitten TI-86 port, and its website.
< 1513105249 661866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/rfk86/ should be rendered in it, if web fonts still work like they used to years ago.
< 1513105300 205441 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: works!
< 1513105307 819582 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice!
< 1513105346 7314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's especially original or clever, though I still like the 's'.
< 1513105464 634567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? font
< 1513105465 713846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font
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< 1513112789 661539 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sed
< 1513112790 397232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ /bin/sed "$@" && if [[ $# == "3" && "/$1" == "/-i" ]]; then echo -n "$3//"; cat "$3"; fi
< 1513112834 868225 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C630.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1513112858 125214 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work with fizzie's sed commands :(
< 1513113087 338218 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? font
< 1513113088 422591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font
< 1513113650 172688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume I should be using the canonical commands, I just can never remember them.
< 1513113730 313073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how are you supposed to remember something like what's the difference between learn_append and learn_append2? 
< 1513115337 360604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append2
< 1513115338 15427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash
< 1513115348 195395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1513115363 73114 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/learn_append2
< 1513115363 860933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/learn_append2
< 1513115448 758946 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat -v bin/learn_append2
< 1513115449 540869 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash^M \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//')^M \ echo "$1" >>"wisdom/$topic"^M \ echo "I knew that."
< 1513115455 637039 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1513115466 126810 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/learn_append
< 1513115466 953285 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/learn_append
< 1513115528 717471 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/learn_append2
< 1513115538 468478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4884:2014-09-26  sed -e \'s/^M//g\' bin/learn_append > bin/learn_append2 \ 4883:2014-09-26  sed -i -e \'s/^M//g\' bin/learn_append > bin/learn_append2
< 1513115588 23983 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/learn_append
< 1513115594 704285 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6445:2015-12-22  ` sed -i \'/^topic/ s/\\$.*$/"&"/\' bin/learn_append \ 5047:2014-10-10  sed -i \'6s/[*]/"\\n/\' bin/learn_append \ 5046:2014-10-10  sed -i \'6cecho -n "Learned \'"\'"\'$topic\'"\'"\': *cat "wisdom/$topic"\' bin/learn_append \ 5045:2014-10-10  revert \ 5044:2014-10-10  sed -i \'6cech
< 1513115646 243496 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/learn_append2
< 1513115647 868959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513115656 492376 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: PROBLEM SOLVED
< 1513115677 994400 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append
< 1513115678 828613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic="$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//')" \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic"
< 1513115720 838171 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _looks_ like it was just left over from some attempt to fix the original.
< 1513115871 963387 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second line looks a bit misguided.
< 1513115932 174594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test
< 1513115933 216300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test failed. HackEgo-JUnit is not available.
< 1513115957 997361 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append A test is a test, in jest, in jest.
< 1513115960 30489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'test': test failed. HackEgo-JUnit is not available. test is a test, in jest, in jest.
< 1513115968 595973 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1513115969 665238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
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< 1513116058 754685 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/learn_append//2s,s/.*;,,
< 1513116060 402648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/learn_append//#!/bin/bash \ topic="$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/s\? .*//')" \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic"
< 1513116090 520023 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append A test is a test, in jest, in jest.
< 1513116092 610749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'a': A is a village in Norway. The BBC invented it by not understanding things on top of letters. test is a test, in jest, in jest.
< 1513116099 716357 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1513116100 844803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
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> 1513118734 976501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53573&oldid=53082 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-21) 10Shorter HW and interpreter.
< 1513118909 635389 :choco_chuck!~jsc@milstar.rpisec.org NICK :chocolatier
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< 1513122001 854206 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1513122002 132958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 122300Z 01016G22KT 3SM -SN DRSN FEW012 OVC020 M08/M10 A2944 RMK SF2SC6 SLP973
< 1513122008 66911 :honigkuchen!~alex@2a02:810a:1340:53b0:5075:5d46:3ff0:f92f PART :#esoteric
< 1513122871 361412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1513122871 531052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 122350Z AUTO 20009KT 9999 -RA SCT027 BKN031 BKN044 06/05 Q1004 TEMPO 6000 -RA BKN012
< 1513123473 190913 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1513123509 438293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to say something with all kinds of formatting, to test a thing. It should even have 12,11background colors.
< 1513123773 892550 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysterious V format.
< 1513123786 597012 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, reverse!
< 1513123792 702933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reverse video I didn't do.
< 1513123809 733606 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. will you put the logs in the /topic?
< 1513123813 847602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because https://modern.ircdocs.horse/formatting.html said it's a little unclear.
< 1513123818 111887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as they're ready.
< 1513123859 295294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esteric
< 1513123860 447709 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esteric? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513123866 212398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? #esoteric
< 1513123867 389253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone.
< 1513123953 673310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's about five TODOs to address before I think the logs would be ready enough to publicize.
< 1513124073 464079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) Add a blurb (probably at the bottom of the index page) with explanations and links to other logs; (2) start the log-server as a service rather than just running it in a screen manually; (3) read the config from a file instead of it being hardcoded; (4) publish the source code; and (5) make the CSS not *horribly* broken on mobile.
< 1513124073 962946 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard of our lord and saviour Cucumber, of the Holy Acceptance Test-Driven Development?
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< 1513124466 530769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, tests would be nice too.
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< 1513125249 840629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 & 3 done.
< 1513126471 616228 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are your nostrils dæmoniac?
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< 1513127367 497116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 done-ish. It's not *good* by any means, but I added extra line spacing in the index for @media (pointer:coarse), and then added a @media (max-width: 640px) breakpoint on the logs page to switch to a "time \nmessage\n\n"-style layout instead.
< 1513127383 491411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still one CSS trick I've not managed, and that is to have in the desktop experience, simultaneously, (a) the message body section take up any extra space without scripting, (b) the messages to line-wrap aligned to where they start, and (c) the end result be copy-pasteable without horrible extra newlines.
< 1513127388 529709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up doing (a) & (b) by "display: flex", but now there's newlines everywhere. When I tried non-flexboxy ways which did (c) well, either I had to specify a width or the lines would wrap to the left edge.
< 1513127398 18554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webdev is hard and unpleasant. :/
< 1513127547 131430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The one-page version is much more convenient.
< 1513127557 652761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why paginate it by year?
< 1513127659 31226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was behaving real sluggishly for me. I can add an "all" view, but I think I'll still keep the default as the most recent year.
< 1513127709 667412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgtm
< 1513127749 661284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it going to have codu.org's stalker mode?
< 1513127929 524908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a v2 thing. Maybe? I didn't check yet how that's implemented, though I think I saw some XHR being involved.
< 1513127989 451290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it should be websockets these days.
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> 1513152754 199708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Purple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53574&oldid=53520 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-25) 10golf python interpreter
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> 1513152937 721982 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Purple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53575&oldid=53574 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-1) 10just one more byte, i promise
> 1513153400 323784 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Purple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53576&oldid=53575 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-20) 10okay a few more bytes off python interpreter
> 1513153529 33645 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Purple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53577&oldid=53576 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-3) 10okay i swear these are the last two bytes for the night
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< 1513160560 732236 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa #esoteric is 15?
< 1513160620 920080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 11 for me.
< 1513160680 144654 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the topic disagrees it would seem
< 1513160704 901903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, definite window 11.
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< 1513163827 711373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "how are you supposed to remember the difference between learn_append and learn_append2?" => you just have to remember that wisdoms are stored as plain text files in the wisdom directory, lowercased and with a trailing s stripped from their name, and the `? rules of wisdom
< 1513163833 220212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rules of wisdom
< 1513163834 245483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should:  be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
< 1513163862 195542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can manipulate them with ordinary unix tools. this is the whole point of using plain text for all sort of source files and configuration files, that we can use the same tools for each of them
< 1513163884 739183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make custom tools if you prefer, but you're not required to use other people's custom tools
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< 1513164400 268161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Manipulating them with standard tools is exactly what I do, but people complain I don't use the tools.
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< 1513164487 836167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm. 
< 1513164493 655337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd rules of wisdom//s/should/they &/
< 1513164495 627666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules of wisdom//unless essential for the entry‘s humor, they should:  be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
< 1513164555 520635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append
< 1513164556 171166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic="$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/s\? .*//')" \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic"
< 1513164557 576887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append2
< 1513164558 192197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/learn_append2: No such file or directory
< 1513164570 204832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seems p. easy to remember to me hth
< 1513164965 26497 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513165098 454026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a command for (1) looking up a wisdom from name and returning its filename, or (2) doing normalization on the name of a new wisdom and returning the filename you should create it as?
< 1513165343 97200 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513166257 566530 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot (update)
< 1513166382 936484 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. I think we settled on normalization hth
< 1513166491 889921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: we didn't settle. someone changed the handling of leading backtick just half a year ago or something.
< 1513166572 406074 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1513166890 981987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not? hmm
< 1513166895 460572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `rules of wisdom
< 1513166896 494889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless essential for the entry‘s humor, they should:  be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
< 1513166902 822819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was changed
< 1513167038 36576 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hand
< 1513167039 304773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
< 1513167046 990578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that applies to case (1) only I think
< 1513167049 1632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1513167067 794506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows, maybe next time we'll install a stemmer or something
< 1513167080 702486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make hand-normalization pretty much impossible
< 1513167291 430589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a tutorial for making up misattributed quotes: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=3225
< 1513167737 523251 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: AIR CHICKEN
> 1513168747 275360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WLoop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53578&oldid=53572 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+135) 10
> 1513168767 708327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sacchan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53579&oldid=43739 5* 03Sacchan 5* (+12) 10
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< 1513172944 784733 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513176576 401021 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513177403 130825 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1513178372 405539 :ski_!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se NICK :ski
< 1513178553 341953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1513178559 271817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well have it there.
< 1513178593 811793 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, nice
< 1513178631 282060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if the canonical links in the topic should be https://.
< 1513178686 572801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is set up like that in the wiki configuration, but AFAIK that only affects two things: the links in the recent changes posted by the bot, and the links included in any automated emails.
< 1513178867 110251 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513179109 301663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? no reason
< 1513179110 376113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513179121 67453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? any reason
< 1513179122 128523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? reason
< 1513179122 204923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any reason? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513179123 105344 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513179262 639433 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: HackEgo is completely unreasonable
> 1513179493 512783 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53580&oldid=49124 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+42) 10/* #Esoteric */ Add local logs link.
< 1513181257 248382 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513181299 338920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in github, to create a pull request, I still have to clone the repository to a github account, right?
< 1513181338 350609 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513181709 468644 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you don't have write permission to the repo, according to Github's help doc
< 1513182107 693638 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1513182181 335207 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1513182350 341890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ok
< 1513182984 557863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513183912 546037 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1513184716 128670 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513184830 60621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection
< 1513184843 130363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1513187861 63489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53581&oldid=53580 5* 03Ais523 5* (-236) 10/* Information */ rm section; not much point in supporting an esolang section on Stack Overflow Documentation when the entire site has shut down
< 1513188525 592063 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to delete all files in /tmp/ belonging to me? 
< 1513188580 58396 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf /tmp/ as you?
< 1513188600 424951 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: that will also delete files that I have write access to
< 1513188606 660236 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1513188607 958737 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't belong to me
< 1513188628 600607 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find /tmp/ -user ... -rm ?
< 1513188651 379441 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm find... yeah I'll look at teh manpage
< 1513188705 702398 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :find -maxdepth 1 -user oren -delete
< 1513189005 92932 :CoffeeCatt_!68adc259@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.173.194.89 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513189066 350461 :CoffeeCatt_!68adc259@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.173.194.89 PART :#esoteric
< 1513189118 364439 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should introduce a cursor class into zsdatab for context browsing, e.g. access of fields by name in each row
< 1513189143 143816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, dead link?
< 1513189214 891598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the logs one)
< 1513189360 82991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind.
< 1513189392 370668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was bitten by an outdated entry in /etc/hosts ...

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< 1513190028 428162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513190545 184444 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513190797 129415 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513190867 227553 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit
< 1513190929 587054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjelloan
< 1513191170 420718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote chicken
< 1513191172 10589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :303)  my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge.  when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup \ 601)  There's British KFC? Kent
< 1513191334 883439 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint-e
< 1513191342 544949 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm still no xkcd
< 1513191448 35909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday's Freefall was nice.
< 1513191538 950937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I liked the twist on "we're the worst people to do it")
> 1513192541 883367 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CJam14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53582&oldid=53021 5* 03Nooodl 5* (-2) 10fix attribution
< 1513193229 608972 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looked at the new logs index, somehow all the months show as overlapping each other.
< 1513193250 452740 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably can blame IE somehow.)
< 1513193313 520985 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION falls back to address bar editing, which is how he usually accesses the logs anyway

< 1513193323 795265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CSS is hard. :/ I probably shouldn't have even attempted to make it use several columns, I was just annoyed at the lots of wasted screen real estate.
< 1513193344 710669 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh columns...
< 1513193364 439383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not really columns. It's a flexbox.
< 1513193382 316851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox says IE 11 but "Partial support is due to large amount of bugs present (see known issues)".
< 1513193392 858161 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1513193423 438024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which version of IE are you interested in? 
< 1513193463 29076 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm using 11, which is the final one.
< 1513193770 69622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at those known issues, maybe I can make some tweaks. Wonder if there's good free ways to test with IE.
< 1513194357 921190 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that big of a deal for me, anyway
< 1513194548 44923 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can get a free windows 10 virtual box on microsoft website
< 1513194807 936016 :augur!~augur@108-233-87-134.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513194819 404198 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Manipulating them with standard tools is exactly what I do, but people complain I don't use the tools. <-- to be more precise, what i complain about is any kind of edit where i cannot see from what happens in the channel whether you messed something up.  which is why the HackEgo tools all display the resulting file.
< 1513195027 94587 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and for wisdoms, whether there was one previously.)
< 1513195050 225086 :augur_!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513195071 889855 :augur!~augur@108-233-87-134.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1513196601 780555 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a next/previous link in the HTML version of the new logs might make sense
< 1513196795 1867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, today gog speaks russian with me
> 1513197076 904448 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Minin 5*  10New user account
< 1513197289 743024 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: who is gog
< 1513197328 443074 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a drm free game shop
< 1513197581 284023 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that their front page is served from a cache which isn't good at guessing languages. it's amusing.
< 1513197764 526545 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube is sometimes stupid at finding musical numbers from phrases in their lyrics. you have to use the title.
< 1513197810 808815 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I search for 'oda is eljőnek szüzek szép leányok' directly in youtube, it finds random nonsense, even though if I search for that in the main google search, it knows which song that is from
< 1513197816 946945 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1513198367 838460 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1513198915 70774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Agreed, was going to add one.
< 1513199027 979879 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1513199167 777979 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1513199699 46631 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513199743 947220 :Guest6549!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-110-171.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
> 1513200095 890982 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53583&oldid=53560 5* 03Minin 5* (+262) 10/* Introductions */
> 1513200125 67787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Minin14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53584 5* 03Minin 5* (+13) 10Created page with "me me big boy"
> 1513200146 850823 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Minin14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53585 5* 03Minin 5* (+3) 10Created page with "no."
< 1513200231 170661 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I wonder if it would be worth splitting to fewer pages, not one per day, but like one per week or one per two weeks
< 1513200348 292982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome esowiki
< 1513200349 629791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04esowiki: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.)
< 1513200766 453888 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fwiw, I like the 1 day granularity.
< 1513200966 5933 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, today gog speaks russian with me <-- * briefly reads that as "dog"
< 1513200983 37052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Days are sort of the convention. That's not to say I couldn't offer other granularities as well, e.g. as /weeks.html for the index and /YYYY-wNN.{html,txt} for the logs.
< 1513201150 693301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're actually saved as logs/Y/M/D.pb(.br) with no padding of dates, which I kind of regret, because ls sorts the months "1 10 11 12 2 3 ..." and so on. (There's probably an option.)
< 1513201216 192370 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513201544 64539 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1513201545 225174 :zseri!~zseri@94.134.202.13 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1513201610 237669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm kind of tempted to suggest marking the days of the week, thus: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/e.html
< 1513201673 568041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did that manually so I stopped after 1 1/2 months)
< 1513201887 815274 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: longer files would help searches
> 1513201942 939579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Minin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53586&oldid=53584 5* 03Minin 5* (+42) 10
> 1513201974 190501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kappa14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53587 5* 03Minin 5* (+57) 10Created page with "kappa is a language coded by humans, this page is a w.i.p"
> 1513202295 257491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03K1nzy 5*  10New user account
< 1513202395 686716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders why IRC documentation would use a .horse domain name

< 1513202463 627115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether ais523 has looked at Countercall in the past month.

< 1513202487 677972 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? countercall
< 1513202488 719571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :countercall? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513202531 17932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I look at recent changes sometimes but can easily miss changes to my watchlist as a result
< 1513202532 934720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Countercall
< 1513202543 559127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm still annoyed by how difficult it is to reason about, despite being obviously non-TC ;-) )
< 1513202547 54339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, nobody's changed it
< 1513202552 742152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not convinced it's non-TC
< 1513202562 923085 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, hence the smiley.
< 1513202565 547143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is non-TC, it's for a bizarre reason that isn't shared with most other languages
< 1513202571 726915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact you state the opposite on the wiki page.
< 1513202574 362105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to one of the usual ones
< 1513202596 896855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, some sort of chicken-and-egg style problem where to do anything in the language you need to do something else first
< 1513202628 37867 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah yes, that crazy language
< 1513202632 897984 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the thing still bugs me.
< 1513202649 711236 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what? how is it "obviously non-TC"?
< 1513202655 583210 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, smiley
< 1513202681 273870 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I really can't make up my mind on whether it's TC
< 1513202703 486697 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I think it's non-TC and there's probably an easy proof for that but it's hard to find
< 1513202712 705288 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes I think it's TC
< 1513202765 458831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought about countercall a bit because of the interview
< 1513202771 167335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but haven't come to conclusions
< 1513202780 85071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is something I could do a TCness proof for in my head
< 1513202784 954074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is my preferred way to do them)
< 1513202826 733784 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I did a proof that dofuck is TC in my head, and only has the very minimal limitations with IO that are obvious, but never written them down
< 1513202842 650547 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some proofs about my messed up Amycus with certain primitives removed
> 1513202846 625683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53588&oldid=53587 5* 03Minin 5* (+436) 10
< 1513202881 573511 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the case of Amycus, finding out that the originally intended language is much less of an esolang made me abandon that
< 1513202923 213648 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also know that the language I want to create is TC, and more, it can simulate a pointer machine "efficiently", with only polylog factor of time slowdown
< 1513202928 129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you know that the typed lambda calculus is not TC even if you add a family of fixed point combinators? (a family, because you may need one for every type.)
< 1513202968 976326 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one is easier, because I'm deliberately creating that language to be expressive, unlike Countercall which you deliberately define to be hard to use
< 1513202981 867573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, in fact that would greatly surprise me
< 1513202994 844484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the problem that there are only finitely many functions of any given type?
< 1513203008 75666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: countercall was aiming for the edge between TC and not
< 1513203013 887550 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in the typed lambda calculus with no algebraic data type?
< 1513203014 18494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it hit it more precisely than I was expecting
< 1513203040 981582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Richard Statman proved that the halting problem is still, somehow, decidable in that calculus. (The paper is called "On The Lambda Y Calculus"))
< 1513203067 282116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes, no algebraic datatypes
< 1513203068 667570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you can simulate sum and product types in typed lambda calculus
< 1513203079 363948 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but I want recursive types too
< 1513203092 92879 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, lists
< 1513203092 848971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, recursive types are more power than typed lambda calculus has
< 1513203098 379671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite ones, anyway
< 1513203110 827688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding any non-empty recursive type (and fixed point combinators) will make it TC.
< 1513203129 698840 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know, I wrote a loop combinator that way
< 1513203143 619794 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented in olvasható
< 1513203197 431654 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.forward: points -44.00, score 0.00, rank 46/47
< 1513203200 461907 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.forward: points -44.00, score 0.00, rank 46/47 (--)
< 1513203203 965369 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, maybe that's not just one type
< 1513203209 48454 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.forward: points -44.00, score 0.00, rank 46/47 (--)
< 1513203214 317758 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's one type constructor
< 1513203272 474594 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you could just use one recursive type that's a union of everything, simulate a weakly typed language, and then, if you prefer, simulate a strongly typed language in that weakly typed language
< 1513203277 266844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural numbers (ala  data Nat = Z | S Nat) suffice
< 1513203311 291974 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/olvashato/t2n.olv -- yeah, that's not one type, that's in fact two type constructors with two type parameters each. sorry.
< 1513203327 485447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, someone's playing BF Joust
< 1513203403 270547 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, I also use the built-in integer number types to do useful things with that loop
< 1513203412 75904 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the built-in list type too
< 1513203423 386478 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although lists aren't technically necessary
< 1513203426 786017 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1513203592 495248 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish rust had an attribute to tell that a given type parameter in a generic fn definition is a phantom parameter, as in that changing it won't change the generated code. the compiler could check this and allow it only if it can prove that it's indeed phantom in that sense.
< 1513203611 457847 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this is hard to define precisely without knowing how rust represents certain types.
< 1513203642 376012 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust hmmm <
< 1513203642 807165 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.hmmm: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47
< 1513203645 521896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: does PhantomData do what you want?
< 1513203652 62524 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1513203663 928117 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: PhantomData does something else
< 1513203668 449023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1513203680 203231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what PhantomData does but not really what you want
< 1513203685 430540 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513203689 523888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "uninspected", as in the code just copies around the value without looking at it?
< 1513203698 436944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this reminds me, has there been a new hilltopper in 2017 at all?
< 1513203702 656136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to do one a year
< 1513203706 508255 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember
< 1513203711 156771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm out of ideas and am worried that BF Joust has been solved
< 1513203715 632161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategy
< 1513203720 397503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1513203722 174082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies
> 1513203729 322787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53589&oldid=53588 5* 03Minin 5* (+549) 10
< 1513203731 250609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, 2016
< 1513203753 952919 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think things got haywire after that beat-everything-on-the-hill program someone wrote
< 1513203774 484889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there was some sort of automatic winning program generator, wasn't there?
< 1513203778 89858 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so gld they did because if they didn't i was going to
< 1513203780 170718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you'd have to keep source secret in the future
< 1513203784 317684 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it can't even copy around such values, because it would have to know at least the size of that type for that, and we can't express a constraint that implies the size of a type, except possibly in a degenerate way that only zero or one types satisfy
< 1513203812 33999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it can copy around pointers to them though
< 1513203817 374934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, you wouldn't need secret source if you either a) added some source of randomness or b) made the hill infinite
< 1513203823 294077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with a Box you don't care what the T is
< 1513203833 506276 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it could copy pointers, yes, but it's also possible that it doesn't do even that
< 1513203838 804630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think a) would ruin the game
< 1513203848 884128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and b) doesn't really work because it'd still only have finitely many programs at any given point
< 1513203887 751160 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: b) works because you could submit a family of programs, all similar, such that it was impossible for the same strategy to beat all of them (i think)
< 1513203916 537816 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we already constructed one such family
< 1513203918 818413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes but you need a huge number of them
< 1513203922 762647 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1513203924 690269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several hundred
> 1513203930 462954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53590&oldid=53583 5* 03K1nzy 5* (+193) 10/* Introductions */
< 1513203930 485949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could generate them automatically
< 1513203930 532383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I constructed them a while back, I think
< 1513203938 913871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different game, but it isn't broken
< 1513203938 960389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's only to avoid being beaten on all tape lengths and polarities
< 1513203939 894965 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a finite family?
< 1513203949 242147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically they win on tape length 10
< 1513203958 854524 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah
< 1513203982 204081 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and several hundred programs is not a problem for an infinite hill, is it?
< 1513203987 801636 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, so what does it guarantee exactly?
> 1513203999 644228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53591&oldid=53589 5* 03K1nzy 5* (-654) 10
< 1513204027 260067 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it guarantee that against any fixed program, at least one of your family on at least one polarity will not lose on tape length 10?
< 1513204032 777932 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it guarantee more?
< 1513204045 22622 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several hundred doesn't sound too bad
< 1513204049 362208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that in the group of 768 programs, against any fixed program, at least one of those 768 programs will beat it on tape length 10 for any specific polarity
< 1513204061 348607 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok
< 1513204068 921855 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :768 is not too much
< 1513204097 104249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why would a source of randomness ruin the game? for instance, why wouldn't "bf joust except every tape cell starts with value x, with x chosen uniformly at random from 0 to 255" be a bad game?
< 1513204169 940207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that proposal might not ruin things (apart from the small random chance every program would have of dying if the same rule applied to the flags), but in general randomness allows you to set decoys much more easily than you can deal with them
< 1513204179 31453 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you might try to start such a construction by taking all possible strategies a program can do in the first 100000 steps, which would be like 5**2**100001 distinguishable strategies, and then construct a program against each
< 1513204186 110197 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd have a rather large infinite family
< 1513204191 237297 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Jousting? Why not. *begins research*
< 1513204233 618378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there's a time limit
< 1513204240 422176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are only finitely many possible BF Joust programs in theory
< 1513204241 82061 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since you keep writing proofs about two-counter machines, which have a double-exponential slowdown from sane computing models, I don't think it's strange that I think of that when you mention a finite family
< 1513204242 102052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re: the flags, just make it so that winning/dying involves having the flag set to x+128 instead of zero
< 1513204244 406163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the space is very large tohugh)
< 1513204258 451410 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, exactly, the time limit is 100000 turns. that's what I said.
< 1513204280 928159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so what you have now is equivalent to BF Joust where [ and ] test for a random (but consistent) number rather than 0
< 1513204284 578089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a program for that seems painful
< 1513204294 24149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly
< 1513204297 301637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why painful?
< 1513204312 701515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, even if you know where the enemy flag is, zeroing it would require quite a lot of code
< 1513204334 320500 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there probably aren't much less than 2**c**100001 different strategies for some not too small constant c if you allow exponentially large program source codes
< 1513204343 17523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust runner (>)*8(>[-])*21
< 1513204343 687546 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.runner: points -12.48, score 10.90, rank 44/47
< 1513204346 916700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a nice idea for a self-modifying game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5BYKRVXHM
< 1513204348 248725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you rather the initial tape value just didn't apply to the flags?
< 1513204354 512694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a simple attack is trivial to write
< 1513204366 553697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: still doesn't help much
< 1513204380 907024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why is it a good thing that a simple attack is trivial to write?
< 1513204383 301817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact is that [-] is much simpler and shorter than any routine for setting a cell to some fixed value for which you don't even know what it is
< 1513204386 199718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it supposed to be hard to win?
< 1513204398 936048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I imagine that in practice every program would have 256 different variants, copy-and-pasted
< 1513204401 163064 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1513204408 376545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the skill of BF Joust is about exploiting patterns in what your opponents do
< 1513204419 440119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at growth2, for example
> 1513204420 424415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53592&oldid=53591 5* 03K1nzy 5* (+441) 10
< 1513204439 676915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait...why would it not help if we had "bf joust except that every tape value /except the flags/ is uniformly random x"?
< 1513204442 805250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if very basic things require very complex code, the patterns will be hard to exploit because they'll be complex in your own right
< 1513204452 225536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still [-]
< 1513204452 511470 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: eww no
< 1513204472 580481 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would ruin the beauty and simplicity of bfjoust
< 1513204490 11231 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eyes wob_jonas suspiciously.

< 1513204492 218054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because in that case, decoys don't really work because most code won't be able to distinguish them from the original value anyway
< 1513204494 506034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: beauty+simplicity=solved. the whole goal here is to ruin it in some small way
< 1513204511 690802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: decoys wouldn't be an important strategy in this new game
< 1513204540 890072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what /would/ be an important strategy?
< 1513204555 272104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly all the attack innovations are designed to deal with decoys
< 1513204563 645297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would be a strategy? Go forward 10 steps, and start clearing?
< 1513204591 96734 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's a search space of like 257**28 different starting patterns, although the server would probably only do a statistical test on a set of starting patterns chosen crypto randomly, but still, there might be a lot of pairs of programs that beat each other very close to 1/2 the time, and that would be hard to judge
> 1513204593 309530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53593&oldid=53550 5* 03K1nzy 5* (+12) 10/* Non-alphabetic */
< 1513204594 767804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :turtle would still be viable. defense would still be viable. a lot of other things would require innovation from scratch.
< 1513204611 663786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically the whole art of defense would probably be lost... and there's no reasonable way of guessing the tape length anymore.
< 1513204641 935935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.

< 1513204705 486443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if everyone abandons decoys...it would be possible to check tape length by looking at tape cells and seeing if they have the same value. it's slower, but maybe that's a good thing.
< 1513204734 698511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it becomes useful to modify the tape cells to be slightly different from their sstarting values, and decoys come back
< 1513204800 383912 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513204805 613816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well what probably happens is that people write 256 different versions of their code and just change between them based on the second tape element
< 1513204825 90 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't practically interfere with that; a fast rush program could do so in current BF Joust but you can't write fast rush programs in this variant because they can't safely move fast enough
< 1513204866 583631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay here's a weird idea for a game-that-totally-isn't-bf-joust: the jousters start with opposite values of zero and opposite flag heights. what A thinks is zero, B thinks is 128, and while A thinks its flag is zeroed, B thinks A's flag is 128. And vice versa.
< 1513204902 832469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the values in between?
< 1513204921 509518 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that just L:TG?
< 1513204947 823427 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: idunno. maybe they alternate between 64 and -64
< 1513204959 732421 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or between 128 and 0
< 1513204974 965868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a key strategic point of BF Joust is the fact that a cell without a decoy is very easy to skip past
< 1513204976 844560 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in L:TG, the players number slots from the opposite direction, so when you can reference slot 0 the easiest and slot 1 the next easiest, those are harder for your opponent to reference
< 1513204995 641780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is L:TG?
< 1513205022 516948 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Lambda:_the_Gathering
< 1513205145 944295 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1513205152 895599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that is a similar idea
< 1513205240 827803 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513205309 801693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what if all the cells between are set to 64 or -64 (alternating) but there is a new conditional {} that detects either of those values specifically.
< 1513205353 919749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting more complex but starting to be maybe viable
< 1513205357 399725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still prefer the original game I think though
< 1513205405 148127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, you can just make the in-between cells 64 for both programs, making - for one program the same as + for the other
< 1513205476 816098 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you want to think of that as renormalized by shifting all values with -64 and modifying the loop statements
< 1513205478 62678 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1513205534 759993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's basically BF Joust except that the flags start at 64 and you win by changing them to -64
< 1513205546 936733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, come to think of it
< 1513205554 295817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stealth programs do way too well in this variant
< 1513205558 520325 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sort of. you also have two extra statements
< 1513205568 349693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just set your own flag to look the same as the filler on the tape
< 1513205607 15089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only way the opponent can stop that is by either a fast rush (those things are typically easy to stop), or by adjusting every filler element by 64 to see if it's actually a flag in disguise
< 1513205620 919931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas stealth programs in regular BF Joust have to constantly stay on their flag to avoid losing
< 1513205624 290767 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1513205630 597866 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you still have another statement, don't you?
< 1513205642 804683 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that tests for exactly the value you have to attain in the goal square
< 1513205658 46412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes
< 1513205665 898043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i was thinking the same about making them all 64, except i would allow both the sieve and kettle polarities. there shouldn't be a way to tell the difference between polarity and flag height by testing
< 1513205671 423112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that still takes 128 cycles
< 1513205699 269764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the only reason sieve and kettle exist is so that players don't have to write their programs both ways round to see which is better
< 1513205712 587995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect, it'd have worked better to start flags at 100 or so and break the symmetry that way
< 1513205719 364603 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way
< 1513205776 504093 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh but they do so much more than that. it makes it so you have to optimize your program to work best on the sum of both polarities rather than just one of the two
< 1513205787 782210 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about games that are both multiplayer classic german-style board games, but at the same time their visible state can be written in a small enough space that you could play them easily in IRC with an IRC bot handling the game rules but only ordinary IRC clients on the player's side
< 1513205794 561743 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some classical card games are technically like that
< 1513205810 899854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: also, their hidden state needs to be player-specific
< 1513205815 809811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have played such games
< 1513205815 924113 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas games with rectangular boards typically aren't like that
< 1513205826 67836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC board games
< 1513205828 571192 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need to draw a large rectangular board that's hard to put in one irc line
< 1513205828 983091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's hard to do something like poker over IRC if you only have one deck
< 1513205840 458191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because how do you stop people drawing the same cards as each other?
< 1513205879 60927 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the irc bot can handle the hidden state, but it's even better to have games where there's no state hidden from just one player, only randomness that's hidden equally from all players
< 1513205879 213590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay not eurogames. i've played apples to apples cards against humanity and seen mafia played with a bot. there's no reason that basically any game that doesn't require complicated art work couldn't work the same
< 1513205922 727671 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game that I think would work well is Niagara, which has a really small state and no hidden state at all
< 1513205936 717993 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but requires at least three players, at least four preferred, which is sort of a drawback
< 1513205969 300101 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of a few games that have those properties
< 1513205981 705523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see what's wrong with player-specific hidden state?
< 1513206003 855365 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: player-specific hidden state can work too, sure, like in poker
< 1513206007 660418 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or many other card games
< 1513206024 129334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :player-specific hidden state is fine, you just need it to be independent really
< 1513206024 579886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what doesn't work exactly?
< 1513206032 484637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. correlations between the hidden states are hard to set up without a bot
< 1513206041 664663 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I did say there'd be a bot
< 1513206056 897892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more interesting to have games you could play without
< 1513206063 371189 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the bot can be fancy, only the UI the players have to install can't be, it must work with any plain IRC client on their side
< 1513206063 587079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some zero-hidden-state games like chess
< 1513206078 658281 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, or Niagara
< 1513206101 647384 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, chess definitely works, people have been playing correspondence chat way before irc existed
< 1513206107 678753 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/chat/chess/
< 1513206124 949639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a framework for them: https://github.com/Zarthus/irc-games-bot
< 1513206134 834757 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in your defense, people have been playing correspondence chat way before chess existed
< 1513206144 617897 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I hate frameworks
< 1513206157 610813 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: lol
< 1513206230 213292 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most hidden state issues can be solved with hash functions, but it can make the game tedious
< 1513206246 27558 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: yes, but you need either a trusted bot or a special client for that
< 1513206247 805963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the frameworks hate? it seems awfully useful to be able to add a new game by just adding a small amount of code to an existing bot designed for the purpose
< 1513206261 449369 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't expect people to compute cryptographically safe functions in their head
< 1513206271 644245 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, but the bot can be offline
< 1513206296 991528 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unless there is money involve in the game, you're probably fine with something as unsafe as md5
< 1513206298 424644 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because the irc protocol is so simple that you can do that without a framework, a framework usually just makes it harder in the "now I have two problems" way
< 1513206316 976571 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: doesn't matter, people don't complain md5 in their head either
< 1513206323 726760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: sounds like you've used some bad frameworks :)
< 1513206329 780993 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a real computer, and these days a very cheap real computer can compute secure hashes too
< 1513206369 145579 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, my work involves computer stuff, including trying to work with programs co-workers write
< 1513206435 725798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I fixed the IE11 thing. At least this IE11 screenshotting website (which originally showed them overlapping, like you said) now renders right.
< 1513206475 769689 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, about that cryptographical stuff I was asking about, I understand now that people use spihash when a birthday attack isn't a problem, because then you can get away with half as long a hash then normally, and the 64 bits of hash tables seems enough at least to avoid hash table performance degradation attacks, but
< 1513206501 52426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: "attacks, but"
< 1513206503 717543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got cut off
< 1513206520 123678 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) I think people are also abusing siphash for things where, although you can indeed get away with a half-sized hash because birthday attacks aren't a problem, 64 bits seems suspiciously slow, and
< 1513206542 330346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not enough text to have been cut off :-P
< 1513206604 478643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slow, and"
< 1513206624 886980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but either something very weird is going on or you're just screwing me
< 1513206633 368968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one of us got disconnected when you were using newline as punctuation
< 1513206636 477319 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) I still don't understand why a 64 bit long hash would allow a different construction and be fundamentally cheaper than any ordinary 256 bit hmac
< 1513206651 523237 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just delibeartely breaking text to multiple lines so that I don't get cut off
< 1513206659 372009 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm typing slowly and thinking in between what to say
< 1513206664 137748 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not adding sentence boundaries
< 1513206674 278782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1513206683 932237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use newline as punctuation sometimes but normally I think of the rest of the sentence first
< 1513206699 228587 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I write sentences ending with a conjunction to make it clear that I have more to add.
< 1513206701 178681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or press it by accident trying to hit backspace, that happens too
< 1513206729 188819 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I should probably try to add sentence breaks instead.
< 1513206751 466383 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, I still only get part of what this whole siphash thing is about.
< 1513206790 50009 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there are valid uses, it still seems to me like it's overhyped and overused and will bite some careless people in the back.
< 1513206823 857030 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, crypto is always like that. Careless people will write bad code,.
< 1513206835 500707 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happened to me too once.
< 1513206956 111590 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The 64-bit hash thing in SipHash is actually not what buys them *radically* better performance.
< 1513206978 60765 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, that's what point (b) is about.
< 1513207005 771904 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, what buys them better performance is they're trying to get properties out of the function that are much cheaper.
< 1513207006 44593 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it have radically better performance if it's just a hmac that's a quarter as long as sha256-hmac, unless it is actually broken,
< 1513207027 366683 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has some sort of weaker guarantee besides being one quarter the size that I really don't understand.
< 1513207051 871353 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They try to guarantee that, given hash(x, k), where x is the message and k is the key, you don't know anything about k, or anything about hash(y, k).
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< 1513207059 292471 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's exactly my problem. I can't believe you can get free lunch by that. Something must be wrong about what they think.
< 1513207083 69555 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHA, and by extension HMAC-SHA, tries to guarantee that you cannot find x, y such that hash(x) == hash(y).
< 1513207164 323592 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SipHash does not guarantee no collisions, it only guarantees you cannot discover the hash of something without knowing the key, and that you can't find the key.
< 1513207191 857056 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But given the key, it seems it'd actually be rather easy to produce collisions.
< 1513207199 854160 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they try to guarantee a bit more about siphash. they try to guarantee that even if you can send x to query hash(x,k) from an adversary with a hidden k, you can know nothing about hash(y,k) for any y that you haven't sent in a query yet
< 1513207217 163203 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said.
< 1513207225 682320 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know hash(x, k) you can't know hash(y, k).
< 1513207239 772946 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and I think if you guarantee that AND the hash is 256-bit long, not just 64 bits, then that implies that you can't find a collision
< 1513207254 937225 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unclear on that.
< 1513207260 677376 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1513207270 472048 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe it only guarantees that you can't find a collision if you don't know k
< 1513207272 639560 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's weaker
< 1513207314 71762 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also really worth knowing the particular context that SipHash is intended for.
< 1513207329 514318 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we have something in between the two, for signing messages with a hidden key where a birthday attack isn't a problem, but with a 128 bit hash?
< 1513207348 875403 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is the context? is it only to avoid hash table performance degradation?
< 1513207366 917709 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main one is to avoid hash table performance degradation from active attackers.
< 1513207372 437894 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1513207400 318438 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which explains its small output: larger output would buy you nothing, and cost you more to compute.
< 1513207404 948606 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1513207455 171498 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks
< 1513207466 632561 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the speed gain because of this weakened guarantee, where if you knew k you could break the hash, or is it not because of that, but only from the quarter size output?
< 1513207486 105037 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because of both of those.
< 1513207489 83912 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1513207537 417644 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably just be cautious because I don't understand the crypto enough, and just not use siphash directly , except possibly through the ready-made hash table libraries or programs.
< 1513207558 451164 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as I don't need much performance, I can get away with using a slower hash function, like sha256 or sha3-256.
< 1513207566 412074 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a fast computer.)
< 1513207568 998649 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weaker guarantee lets them use a much simpler compression function, but the smaller output and smaller state lets them have to work on less memory (which is faster)
< 1513207589 54606 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the HMAC construction based on those two of course.
< 1513207606 553860 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably wise. When choosing any algorithms, you really, really should know what you do and do not get from the algorithm.
< 1513207619 565088 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially with ones that are somewhat new with less established wisdom on how to use them.
< 1513207634 490534 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This difference between the guarantees, it's similar to what ais was explaining about crypto random sources, right?
< 1513207643 255425 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes.
< 1513207667 577002 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, I know what I want to do, although there are several different things I want to do with different requirements.
< 1513207669 750902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1513207726 495759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: wait, I thought I explained that several years ago and in #nethack4
< 1513207744 947540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"was explaining" seems like an understatement
< 1513207754 529907 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: possible, but you also explained that a few weeks ago here when I asked about them
< 1513207756 305960 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the biggest screwups in crypto I've seen are from people not knowing WTF crypto algorithms do and do not buy them.
< 1513207785 440235 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, unsurprisingly, when you assume a function guarantees something it doesn't, you have a bad time.
< 1513207794 331519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: hmm, clearly my memory's getting less good
< 1513207800 889963 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think back with nh4, I was only listening to the part where you replaced a clearly non-crypto rng with something that does some sort of crypto, but didn't look at the details
< 1513207815 897861 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's possible that you explained more about it, but I forgot or wasn't listening
< 1513207820 57942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NH4's RNG isn't cryptosecure in the normal sense (unlike AdeonRNG, which is)
< 1513207828 368683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's missing one of the requirements, the other ones are the ones I cared about
< 1513207842 722247 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's what you explained here a few weeks ago
< 1513207847 158391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1513207855 454980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I just explain it in a couple of sentences each time the topic comes up
< 1513207864 639612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than as a fully detailed discussion
< 1513207882 413707 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely that for nh4, you don't need the requirement that if someone finds out about the current state of the rng, they can't guess anything about the previous values.
< 1513207887 793489 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The previous outputs.
< 1513207924 347652 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that wasn't it exactly.
< 1513207929 446064 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it was something about finding out the hidden key.
< 1513208003 409368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, in NH4 knowledge of the internal state lets you predict previous outputs
< 1513208015 453840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with any RNG, it allows you to predict future outputs, which is typically more useful
< 1513208026 997752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PRNG
< 1513208028 56691 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This came up in #esoteric when I asked about why there seem to be different sort of crypto random generators, and why some of them need a repeated source of outside entropy (I'm still not sure which ones do),
< 1513208071 6492 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I also told about a specific requirement I wanted to solve and could solve with a crypto-RNG but wondered if there was a cheaper solution.
< 1513208323 338046 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems an RNG with nethack's crypto requirements solves that, but nothing cheaper than that that we know of.
< 1513208484 665938 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, the new version of libtomcrypt has an SHA-2 implementation, which shows that the maintainer who took over actually does work on it more than just bugfixes.
< 1513208508 937982 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is always encouraging when you consider which library you want to use.
< 1513208519 382042 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if libtom might not be the best performance-wise.
< 1513208564 285987 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its decent documentation it might be a good choice when I don't need very high performance.
< 1513208602 226599 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also this https://tls.mbed.org/ library recommended to me, which exports both crypto primitives, and an interface for ssl/tls.
< 1513208605 155217 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems useful.
< 1513208709 708376 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night soon.
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< 1513208851 537157 :wob_jonas!b03f1901@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/SHA-2/SHA-3/
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< 1513209326 415982 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIFGWe3KHXA google translate is my favorite vocaloid
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< 1513212689 412148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I don't think that's right.
> 1513212694 131624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53597&oldid=53596 5* 03Lartu 5* (+6) 10
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> 1513212777 267190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53598 5* 03Ais523 5* (+660) 10some problems with this idea
< 1513212899 810235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if Lartu will read my comments on the talk page
< 1513213073 150999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder about that too. It's not entirely obvious that there are comments to an article.
< 1513213127 439707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since the "Discussion" page link stays red if you're not logged in. (Though presumably they're logged in for now.)
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< 1513213919 370737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer's trending towards "no". Hmm.
< 1513213950 245446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
> 1513213952 606909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53600&oldid=53599 5* 03Lartu 5* (-1) 10
< 1513213968 673921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to add an example of a disan count in a non-TC language
< 1513213974 438532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of them don't have proper I/O
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< 1513214489 937712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is part of some sort of weird disinformation campaign. Google finds no (relevant) hits for "disan count", and mostly just a footballer with the name. (Okay, there's one Twitter account that might be relevant.)
< 1513214533 141184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was something made up by Lartu
< 1513214541 894692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than something that's standard
< 1513214602 618004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so. But saying "proposed by late 2016" makes it sound like A Thing.
< 1513214619 225983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually surprised that it didn't say 2017
< 1513214660 803090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that could be a typo, of course.
< 1513214691 183404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, are we going to make an esolang that acts differently in 2018?
< 1513214697 770594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there no good ideas for that left?
< 1513214896 395357 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: any ideas?
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< 1513214929 458619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there others than 2014 and 2017 so far? 
< 1513215009 286917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 2017?
< 1513215013 437622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently.
< 1513215020 108367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the wiki, at least.
< 1513215023 490597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC there's a language which works in all years but one, maybe 2015?
< 1513215031 695667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/201*
< 1513215032 565456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/2014 \ bin/2015 \ bin/2016 \ bin/2017
< 1513215053 450623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 2017 was released early IMO
< 1513215056 878579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ones in HackEgo don't work in any years because they're buggy.
< 1513215060 196753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is not an interesting enough variant
< 1513215063 495934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2017
< 1513215064 87177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1513215201 651548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's 2015 is the one that works like you said (all other years), but https://esolangs.org/wiki/2015 doesn't match that description.
< 1513215225 914908 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a pantheon of the Most Bestest Esolangs Ever Like They Rock The Fungot?
< 1513215240 253092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for y in 201{4,5,6,7}; do echo -n "$y: "; $y; done
< 1513215241 334886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014: 2015: Hello, world! \ 2016: 2017: Hello, world!
< 1513215269 277926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems all right. Though I vaguely remember there was some issue there.
< 1513215307 384641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The list of featured languages?-) At least eventually, like in a century or so.
< 1513215360 844802 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. indeed tdh
< 1513215371 809085 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also balances fizzie's parentheses (

> 1513215645 573002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53601&oldid=53600 5* 03Lartu 5* (+0) 10/* Algorithm */
< 1513215841 694780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I didn't even realise the program was bugged
< 1513215874 140553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were the one who pointed it out?
< 1513215898 642611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I pointed out that the /concept/ is bugge
< 1513215900 9069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bugged
< 1513215930 826926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also missing a newline, so the output is "0 is even!2 is even!4 is even!..."
< 1513215970 918245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If C++ iostreams follow C rules, it might not output anything, since stdout is a text stream and there's no terminating newline.
< 1513215993 223765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I agree that the conceptual problems are the more relevant ones.
< 1513216377 554924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind, you were talking about the wiki edit.
< 1513217360 535081 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:  it's a Disanformation campaign
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< 1513217592 26199 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwant a language where every ) has to be balanced by a later ( rather than vice versan
< 1513217619 795765 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a brainfuck derivitive that swaps them
< 1513217654 313732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Hebrew keyboard layout, shift-9 produces ) and shift-0 produces (.
< 1513217976 576650 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :write all your programs in hebrew hth
< 1513218016 226711 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't recognize you with that shiny new name
< 1513218216 943256 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat but why
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< 1513218251 362502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: How would you do it?
< 1513218270 312391 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 0 also to the left of 1 instead of to the right of 0
< 1513218281 649868 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er to the right of 9
< 1513218336 964792 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or arfe the numbers entirely reversed in order
< 1513218378 731657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like http://www.fentek-ind.com/lHebrewBlackUSB.jpg
< 1513218499 572137 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh, but those numbers are shift 9 is (, not )
< 1513218529 560849 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like a us keyboard
< 1513218618 593554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, man
< 1513218621 531706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it great
< 1513218731 556147 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did u know that pizza pizza has better nuggs and fries than mcdonalds
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< 1513218977 530042 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really tho I want those numbers to be locked shifted, since I always use the numpad when I'm typing a number
< 1513218994 94516 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that row's unshifted state should be !@#$%^&*()
< 1513219068 737713 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and numpad-less keyboards will be fed to nidhoggr
< 1513219117 490549 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any
< 1513219153 869275 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :macbooks don't have numpad so you have to use that top row
< 1513219208 938809 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to construct associative function f() from a non associative one g()? Example f(1,f(2,x))=f(2,f(1,x)=g(g(g(x)))
< 1513219280 31329 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thismis example is very slow, O(n), any smallest improvement would be a good thing
< 1513219331 687077 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit: have you tried memoizing it
< 1513219373 863887 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what do you mean by this
< 1513219400 77405 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what language are you writing in?
< 1513219417 216156 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, cache,reading wiki
< 1513219455 242340 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will allow to make future calc faster, but the construction of this cache will still be O(n)
< 1513219516 247703 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if input\seed changes, (g), i need to rebuild it
< 1513219779 242275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's enough numpadless keyboards for there to be a term ("tenkeyless", "TKL") specifically for them.
< 1513219802 950449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :numpads are scow
< 1513219821 232811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at a few when last switching keyboards, but couldn't find a suitable one.
< 1513219848 393138 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1513219915 130851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/ were customizable enough, but that would've meant importing from US.)
< 1513220001 723968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sleeptime.)
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< 1513220113 636682 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why I should have to press hift in order to type a $
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> 1513221965 164815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53602&oldid=53598 5* 03Lartu 5* (+539) 10
> 1513222139 787717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53603&oldid=53602 5* 03Lartu 5* (+4) 10
> 1513222448 450120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53604&oldid=53601 5* 03Lartu 5* (+256) 10
< 1513222545 670597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1513222550 411897 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:k//K K K Ken \ boredom//A boredom is like a kingdom, except ruled by a bore. They don't tend to last very long before people revolt. \ synergy//Synergy is when the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. A possible future Uncontrolled Synergy Scenario is a looming existential threat to humanity. \ peer//Peer Gynt is a famous Norweg
< 1513222553 16889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1513222553 868996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ian troll. His reviews are in high demand, but nowadays he amuses himself by resetting people's irc connections and torrenting his own files. \ brexit//brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space.
> 1513222563 895762 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53605&oldid=53604 5* 03Lartu 5* (-3) 10
> 1513222730 103161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53606&oldid=53605 5* 03Lartu 5* (+18) 10
> 1513223213 265648 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53607&oldid=53606 5* 03Lartu 5* (+8) 10/* Algorithm */
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> 1513237004 611952 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53608&oldid=53593 5* 03Minin 5* (+0) 10move kappa
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< 1513251489 510970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1513251494 426863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:atrocity//Atrocity is the capital of the Atrocious Empire. \ ascii//Ascii is the plural of ascius, "of or pertaining to southern countries, near the equator". \ tg//TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or
< 1513251497 3759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1513251497 708900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: not. \ ip//Your IP address is the address of the pointer to the current instruction. \ radiohead//Radiohead is "rock music".
< 1513251536 105069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits ip
< 1513251545 761266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdocöc rdocöc
< 1513252108 460065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnodeuser: ?
< 1513252128 778513 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the messages that you're sending in here?
< 1513252151 964485 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes fungot

< 1513252172 29354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked HackEgo for 5 wisdom entries.
< 1513252186 2099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those didn't fit on one line, so I asked for the next line.
< 1513252199 836044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I don't think n stands for next, but close enough.)
< 1513252204 824562 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, thank you
< 1513252215 279198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It stands for "nore".
< 1513252226 641276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n stands for the number n, becuase it gives you the nth line of output
< 1513252242 857677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with no arguments it just gives you the next line
< 1513252246 922171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was originally called spam
< 1513252271 506989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/spam
< 1513252272 34764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :line="${1-$(cat /hackenv/tmp/spline)}"; len="$(awk 'END{print NR}' /hackenv/tmp/spout)"; echo -n "$line/$len:"; sed -n "${line}{p;q}" /hackenv/tmp/spout; echo "$((line /hackenv/tmp/spline
< 1513252350 532018 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnodeuser: could you please mention fungot?
< 1513252357 384249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a trap
< 1513252366 477947 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves his hands

< 1513252412 948536 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's finnish
< 1513252440 873023 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and his name is?
< 1513252455 282182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Isn't it "the bot who shall not be named"? 
< 1513252461 607804 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaurgh!
< 1513252472 451492 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :heikki?
< 1513252479 302909 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find another unsuspecting victim!
< 1513252482 532922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? fun''got
< 1513252483 771341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
< 1513252496 246218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing not to say is `list
< 1513252523 131877 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :`turing
< 1513252523 789989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: turing: not found
< 1513252527 175154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you think about this whole kerfuffle? 
< 1513252527 653177 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i still look forward to you plt port. might be an invalid expression ().
< 1513252541 369049 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks fizzie
< 1513252542 123416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fizzie. Thizzie.
< 1513252562 257032 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good morning!
< 1513252562 609038 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's nothing threatening about **********s.... you're kidding.it is?
< 1513252590 595321 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, little snowflakes are threatening. very cold.
< 1513252591 108252 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's even easier then elements-until :p would be easier to save each character to a specific format) any ideas on how to learn scheme
< 1513252594 807646 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1513252595 22279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 141100Z 25013KT 15SM FEW020 SCT180 BKN210 M18/M23 A2961 RMK CU1AC3CI3 CU TR SLP032
< 1513252607 993554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're overdoing it, boily
< 1513252649 488965 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup.
< 1513252666 208358 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :go boily some eggs :P
< 1513252689 635519 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few eggs :P
< 1513252754 145678 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1513252961 384874 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BECAUSE CHICKEN
< 1513253289 954493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAA
< 1513253297 774773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1513253298 994035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​onëliner//onëliners are pairs of unfathomable vectors in the category of exponential distance.
< 1513253304 858563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who made this put formatting in the output?
< 1513253313 195725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo that!
< 1513253557 34200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the boldness, I seem to recall it was the 'chaf. It *was* a little difficult to distinguish boundaries in the `5 w output.
< 1513254153 177890 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
> 1513254419 694883 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan Count14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53609&oldid=53607 5* 03Lartu 5* (+1) 10
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> 1513254926 266186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Popular problem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53610&oldid=53247 5* 03Lartu 5* (+112) 10
< 1513255016 892488 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 'officially. fizzie, un.', what does un stand for? unofficial?
< 1513255140 634172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1513255289 54094 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr PRIVMSG #esoteric :all right
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< 1513259152 730684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *was* difficult to distinguish boundaries, until you fixed all my entries to end with a newline. now there's only "wisdom/rules of wisdom" and almost no other than doesn't have a newline terminator
< 1513259228 161642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e $/=(); for $n (glob"wisdom/*") { open $f,"<",$n; if (<$f> !~ /\n\z/) { print "$n\n" } }
< 1513259235 261528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/¯\(°​_o) \ wisdom/¯\(°_o) \ wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_ \ wisdom/le \ wisdom/nak \ wisdom/output \ wisdom/rules of wisdom
< 1513259239 645430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1513259251 9705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, some of those are directories
< 1513259261 346642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e $/=(); for $n (glob"wisdom/*") { if (open $f,"<",$n and <$f> !~ /\n\z/) { print "$n\n" } }
< 1513259262 856868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/¯\(°​_o) \ wisdom/¯\(°_o) \ wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_ \ wisdom/le \ wisdom/nak \ wisdom/output \ wisdom/rules of wisdom
< 1513259269 674594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, stupid unix
< 1513259560 211781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Even with the " \ " in-between, I think it's still a little difficulter than with the formatting.
< 1513259677 763830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e $/=(); for $n (glob"wisdom/*") { if (!-d $f and open $f,"<",$n and <$f> !~ /\n\z/) { print "$n\n" } }
< 1513259678 963050 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/¯\(°​_o)
< 1513259730 577533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can we fork the command then, so eg. bin/wisdom formats them but bin/wisdom doesn't? or something?
< 1513259745 218060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT?
< 1513259765 681865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e $/=(); for $n (glob"wisdom/*") { if (!-d $f and open($f,"<",$n) and <$f> !~ /\n\z/) { print "$n\n" } }
< 1513259766 994030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/¯\(°​_o)
< 1513259770 120075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't right
< 1513259775 256938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a directory
< 1513259776 490397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1513259782 252027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e $/=(); for $n (glob"wisdom/*") { if (!-d $n and open($f,"<",$n) and <$f> !~ /\n\z/) { print "$n\n" } }
< 1513259783 719946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/nak \ wisdom/output \ wisdom/rules of wisdom
< 1513259787 808981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nak
< 1513259788 868814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513259788 915284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? output
< 1513259789 847666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513259792 477253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1513259804 382155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls -ld wisdom/nak wisdom/output
< 1513259805 378434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Oct 28  2016 wisdom/nak \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Oct 28  2016 wisdom/output
< 1513259812 688693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are those there?
< 1513259828 39969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those created by mistake?
< 1513259836 171395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg nak
< 1513259840 343937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg output
< 1513259843 692051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5378:2015-05-31  ` cat /dev/null >wisdom/nak
< 1513259848 37079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5880:2015-08-02  revert \ 5879:2015-08-02  rm wisdom/output \ 3516:2013-08-28  touch wisdom/output
< 1513259903 835876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what are those for?
< 1513260171 291361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think `? output - no output is a joke of sorts.
< 1513260185 411644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about "nak" though.
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< 1513260287 28631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me, I need to implement the "link to individual row" feature.
< 1513260314 553782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But http://esolangs.org/logs/2015-05-31.html 14:10:08 except it doesn't really make it any clearer.
< 1513260341 883859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about the ACK/NAK pair, but...
< 1513260356 535047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean, adding an id attribute to each irc line, plus a class for each nick so that people can ignore or highlight users by stylish
< 1513260367 515133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ack
< 1513260368 551406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513260481 553795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I didn't mean the latter, but I guess that would be possible. The former I did mean. Plus at least codu.org makes it so clicking on a nick adds the required #id in the current location.
< 1513260519 809737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I should eventually implement a feature where every .sclink-ar2 entry in my link collection has a stable id I can link to in my link collection pages http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/blu etc
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< 1513260601 250996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "makes it so clicking on a nick adds the required #id in the current location" => ah, the magic of relative hyperlinks. so someNick
< 1513260632 235396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where p5I1SjDpPSY9XefcckmDCyW6mr3RTMAP0JbnvlVBFYhx is some stable unique ID that you generate from your archives somehow, I don't know how you're storing the logs so I don't know what the most convenient way is
< 1513260649 439928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs are fortunately strictly append-at-the-end-only, so a simple stable ID would just be (file, index) pair.
< 1513260662 848302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be cylinder-sector-head-byteoffset on your disk :-)
< 1513260670 500812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, just the index, since the file is already part of the URL.
< 1513260671 416698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok
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< 1513260693 107124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: would that work if you offer monthly or biweekly catenated pages too?
< 1513260767 797634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think so. I mean, the index would just be from start of the catenated page, then. I don't think there are any circumstances I'd need to look up in which subfile it falls to, which would be a little awkward in that case.
< 1513260775 443819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: note though that id values must begin with an ascii letter
< 1513260784 507128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :base26, then.
< 1513260789 642183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just a prefix letter.
< 1513260797 764734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be a letter followed by a number in decimal or hex
< 1513260801 960905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, prefix letter
< 1513260806 297060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-name
< 1513260812 614440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : is how I was thinking of trying to implement that clickability, but that's not what codu.org logs do.
< 1513260831 230606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even base64 is possible because there are 66 available bytes
< 1513261024 335658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The codu logs use javascript to highlight the line matching the current hash (and also the clicking). I think that's doable with the :target pseudo-class nowadays.
< 1513261267 45683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thank you for working on the logs
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< 1513283375 182794 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs at 15-year olds not knowing lexicographical ordering

< 1513283402 865222 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka the Language list)
< 1513283579 110153 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international club for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1513283598 955016 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snickers metaphorically

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< 1513286581 894695 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C864.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1513286987 675031 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your logs don't seem to support /me
< 1513287001 398566 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows up as ACTION
< 1513288374 907459 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? output
< 1513288376 272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513288385 699794 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file wisdom/output
< 1513288387 63529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/output: empty
< 1513288392 814426 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo
< 1513288393 424721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513288417 979188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn output//
< 1513288419 959681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'output':
< 1513288427 304115 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn nak//
< 1513288429 333366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'nak':
< 1513288432 121570 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? output
< 1513288433 243502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513288438 809837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file wisdom/output
< 1513288439 525368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/output: very short file (no magic)
< 1513288461 297534 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or
< 1513288504 779401 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.
< 1513289095 462963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no magic!
< 1513289099 475489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file canary
< 1513289100 201571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary: empty
< 1513289108 121690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo a | file
< 1513289108 873451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: file [-bcEhikLlNnprsvz0] [--apple] [--mime-encoding] [--mime-type] \             [-e testname] [-F separator] [-f namefile] [-m magicfiles] file ... \        file -C [-m magicfiles] \        file [--help]
< 1513289110 869107 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo a | file -
< 1513289112 221105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/stdin: ASCII text
< 1513289118 329413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo ä | file -
< 1513289119 254081 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/stdin: UTF-8 Unicode text
< 1513289129 571708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -n ä | file -
< 1513289130 421195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/stdin: UTF-8 Unicode text, with no line terminators
< 1513289141 30591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: la
< 1513289141 545364 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the simulator then slowly removes the mark, i might start on some other room and escape the noise?
< 1513289155 959269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an excellent idea
< 1513289160 300464 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...
< 1513289284 15435 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C864.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1513289582 908712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought I did it, but I guess not.
< 1513290161 101370 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513290313 268273 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 NICK :Guest15725
< 1513290441 118131 :Guest15725!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1513291601 525920 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1513292813 368567 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513292815 425499 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1513292815 599763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 142200Z 25015G23KT 15SM FEW030 M15/M21 A2984 RMK CF1 CF TR SLP110
< 1513293013 372892 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513293393 107088 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1513294041 288964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Added actions.
< 1513294060 247411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also combined full-month logs.)
< 1513294210 479049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheee
< 1513294342 538538 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1513294342 773642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 142250Z 10008KT 9999 BKN023 M12/M14 Q0990 RMK WIND 670FT VRB02KT
< 1513294346 797107 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brr
< 1513294356 817147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1513294357 162166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 142320Z AUTO 28009KT 9999 NCD 02/01 Q0990 NOSIG
< 1513294392 457896 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, fizziello.
< 1513294397 215160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're predicting highs of +11 next wednesday.
< 1513294404 272299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much of a winter.
< 1513294661 198417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513294707 428383 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bellihoy
< 1513294803 581423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1513294809 383757 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513294816 366644 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1513294926 848230 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's disturbing.
< 1513294927 932207 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1513295892 951708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Actually, +13, according to tabloid headlines.
< 1513296979 648472 :Aparecido!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br PART :#esoteric
< 1513297136 138938 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1513297453 221058 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513299924 393435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513299924 476994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host
< 1513299924 477014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513299930 675520 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full
< 1513299962 395910 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513299981 126650 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1513300019 533375 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513300028 404790 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1513300106 96143 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513300122 934625 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1513300352 456923 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1513300406 919334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see its cold enough to cause some painful shrinkage tbe
< 1513300409 842980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1513301841 374650 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513301890 797700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1513302040 237882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1513302195 997581 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1513302223 222647 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAN RAN RUU!
< 1513304263 372606 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SECRET CHICKEN
< 1513304368 27108 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513304565 301974 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513305349 509464 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1513305410 341091 :MDude!~MDude@67.234.79.69 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513307967 777505 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1513309492 156215 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513309533 261437 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...
< 1513310069 442807 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513310505 562523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://orbifold.xyz/interesting-encodings.html
< 1513310523 246279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 Do you like KOI-8?
< 1513310523 292970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513311515 779282 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1513311551 797503 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think I knew one of the authors
< 1513312049 714732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1513312084 790319 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ache, one of the authors of KOI-8
< 1513312115 870813 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it, cause I don't like code pages in the first place
< 1513312744 407564 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legacy charsets make me sad.
< 1513312798 803045 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii makes me sad cause it only uses 7 bits
< 1513312800 985440 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1513313205 135354 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1513314403 802114 :Aparecido!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513314600 623212 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1513319708 371645 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1513324301 153635 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1513326736 99576 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1513328696 515082 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full
< 1513328728 374136 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513328742 455211 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1513328778 268520 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1513328881 11361 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513328885 903005 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
< 1513329716 275234 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uwkznhniaiefclgc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1513329755 425000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits would you want to use to represent 128 characters?
< 1513330219 428495 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: usually 8 bit per character, 1024 bits
< 1513330363 254255 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :add some math to your daily diet
< 1513330767 734067 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1513330961 486130 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513335970 133836 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513337746 879929 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513338223 585214 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1513338228 481247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:mpanion cube//Aperture Science has created a talking cube - we call it the mpanion cube, because it's the opposite of the mute companion cube. \ cut elimination//The cut-elimination theorem states that any Prolog program written using the cut operator ! can be rewritten without using that operator. \ lifthrasiir//lifthrasiir is shunned by
< 1513338229 937152 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1513338230 684789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: the rest of his country for being no good at League of Legends. \ friendship//friendship wisdom \ latin//LATINA EST SVBLIMISSIMA LINGVA MVNDI
< 1513338282 648578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose is that?
< 1513338291 90860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg cut elimination
< 1513338304 25722 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6946:2016-02-24  le/rn cut elimination/The cut-elimination theorem states that any Prolog program written using the cut operator ! can be rewritten without using that operator.
< 1513340744 711170 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ALLEGED CHICKEN
< 1513341331 173906 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this esoteric enough for #esoteric ? https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/jsonwhite
< 1513341469 602175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soni: yes
< 1513341501 984881 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I use it in production?
< 1513342415 365232 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1513344153 612684 :LeoLambda!Leo@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe3e:12c3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1513345525 207493 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin NICK :contrapumpkin
< 1513347260 412959 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fec0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513349787 388602 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1513356599 890057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513357523 63583 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8430:7b88:a121:a26b:c3a4:9b24 JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1513358843 277305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vein14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53611 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+3201) 10A new language, sort of branching off from Countercall.
> 1513359929 460321 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Countercall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53612&oldid=53237 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+27) 10Added see also.
> 1513360122 845939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Keymaker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53613&oldid=51310 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+63) 10Added Vein.
> 1513360210 171946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vein14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53614&oldid=53611 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+26) 10Category stack-based.
> 1513360567 401193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vein14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53615&oldid=53614 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+546) 10Added some example code.
< 1513360738 818257 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...
> 1513361193 152546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vein14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53616&oldid=53615 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+72) 10Clarifying a bit, seems I was slightly confused.
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< 1513362099 23537 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: )s are showing up as 41 in the .txt version
< 1513362266 81475 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see a nick change where the result nick is missing
< 1513363322 101892 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1513364223 974357 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1513364720 479562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fixed the "41"s. An amusing mishap involving C++ overload resolution and 'char' being an integral type.
< 1513364918 602821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And the nick changes (which I added later and didn't remember to fix in the text format).
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> 1513367886 781873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:JayCampbell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53617&oldid=43554 5* 03JayCampbell 5* (+229) 10Changed license, added compilers under construction
> 1513368050 472614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What the fuck is the Internet?14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53618 5* 03JayCampbell 5* (+333) 10Created page with "Tape and stack machine based on Jason Mewes' obscene rap at the beginning of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5bW8H-kNZs Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back].  ==Status==  * Languag..."
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> 1513368202 153965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cry14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53619 5* 03JayCampbell 5* (+213) 10Golfing language that takes advantage of LLVM optimization for faster execution
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< 1513370019 85927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut elimination? why wou
< 1513370027 529075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld you want to?
< 1513370052 959882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suppose KOI-8 is suitable for Russian writing
< 1513370070 635928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes cutting is the fastest and clearest way to search out the things you need
< 1513370104 591167 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...
< 1513370359 423798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBCDIC can be suitable if you are communicating with punched cards; otherwise ASCII is much better than EBCDIC.
< 1513370497 341104 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the same applies for the real term cut elimination, which this is a pun on.
< 1513370535 490275 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? !
< 1513370536 559113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​! is a syntax used in Haskell and Prolog for solving evaluation order problems.
< 1513370769 742915 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, the main benefit of EBCDIC in the punch card space is that EBCDIC is compatible with even older conventions for doing data on punch cards.
< 1513370806 774864 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you don't need that, ASCII is entirely suitable there as well.
< 1513370816 594100 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as evidenced by the ASCII punch card systems that existed)
< 1513371245 224213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the holes might be different?
< 1513371867 425690 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dont see a pun
< 1513371949 316651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, MIX only requires that the cards have eighty columns; it does not matter what encoding is used, although the common IBM cards are probably best)
< 1513372135 745248 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8430:7b88:a121:a26b:c3a4:9b24 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1513372141 105635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean unless you consider the existence of two theorems that share a name a pun
< 1513372318 331529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the other theorem?
< 1513372481 734478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the cut elimination theorem
< 1513372485 439986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1513373925 381256 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: one of the theorems may not actually be seriously called that, and i'm not entirely sure it's true either although it might be hth
< 1513374157 837033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. i wouldnt be surprised if it is true tho
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< 1513376896 142390 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C32E.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I improved https://gist.github.com/zserik/911ad922cec6c9b95269102523efdbf8, and updated zsdatab::table so that to perform a context::filter, the context don't copies the whole data before that
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< 1513378269 492081 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1513380285 178810 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr NICK :quakenetuser
< 1513380308 633231 :quakenetuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-201-174.home.otenet.gr NICK :fnodeuser
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< 1513381985 594942 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( does boily use Steam a lot )
< 1513382096 581050 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. I sometimes do!
< 1513382101 32469 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly to quinthellopia.
< 1513382183 651489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What's your Steam level? Or is that a secret? 
< 1513382279 989546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1513382289 67394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows the freezing wind
< 1513382295 720481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good friday night?
< 1513382429 404656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist
< 1513382430 175801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas
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< 1513383037 924765 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1513383038 164194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 160000Z 01008KT 15SM BKN035 OVC050 M11/M14 A2983 RMK SC7SC1 SLP105
< 1513383047 127437 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's relatively warm!
< 1513383058 640748 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's sushi in my mouth, so it's a nice Friday.
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< 1513383531 315984 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
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< 1513384444 258143 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you must have sent all the cold wind our way. it's getting harder to predict how much coat i'll need on a given day.
< 1513384477 313447 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the fam?
< 1513384572 26262 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1513385038 64431 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still being schizophrened by the weather?
< 1513385056 257515 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fam goes well, more snow at my parents' place.
< 1513385069 858802 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the relativity on your end?
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< 1513386628 622889 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as always
< 1513386672 874694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you desire writing code recreationally at all these days?
< 1513386685 789457 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :/
< 1513386721 222054 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm spending time and energy to bring Glorious ATDD into the heart of my unsuspecting coworkers.
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< 1513387947 391487 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also exploring Spring. very Java. much unesoteric.
< 1513388075 311156 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... quite interesting the way it's organised. everything is magicked away and it works?
< 1513388097 451720 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I can trust all the myriads of plenties of endless annotations.
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< 1513389468 665789 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds boring
< 1513389471 463047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1513389499 229751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you do much recreationally beyond eating and tile-shuffling?
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< 1513390563 416300 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fascinating! don't you get all fuzzy at the sight of JPA?
< 1513390572 518542 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :design patterns?
< 1513390583 148163 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enterprise software architecture!
< 1513390608 433038 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also shuffle Magic decks and cook.
< 1513391068 150136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was inventing Pokemon mahjong game, one thing is that in case of a exhausive draw if you have tenpai you may be able to earn a stone (including level stone and trade stone). Due to different stone may be more usable than the other stone, I can use what my brother has suggested, to arrange them in tiers, for example you can trade two tier 0 stones for a tier 1 stone.
< 1513391104 335086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, alternatively, when you get a new stone, if you already have one you may upgrade that one instead if you meet the prerequisites for the new one.
< 1513391887 929391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: planning on seeing stair wares?
< 1513391914 199088 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...???
< 1513392064 681767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ishtar whirrs?
< 1513392073 446007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lisp jetty
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< 1513393063 200819 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused. it's supper effective!

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< 1513393172 5260 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ay, wonderin'
< 1513393184 708700 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs that experiment with the idea of uh
< 1513393201 60883 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"getting" whatever variables from a function instead of the function returning those vars
< 1513393212 19072 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a totally useless concept but it could be fun to mess around with
< 1513393241 148753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, although it is possible that some might work that way even if it isn't based on that idea. If there isn't, you could make one up, I suppose.
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< 1513396634 787648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wright: never heard of such a thing. not even sure what it means to be honest?
< 1513396956 126631 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, forgot to check back here!
< 1513397012 201669 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's a simple and kind-of-weird idea, i'll just put down a few lines on hastebin to explain it
< 1513397013 376467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wright: Well, there's always Prolog.
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< 1513397946 457818 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, got it: https://hastebin.com/zamuvoqewe.py
< 1513397955 133826 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very underdeveloped idea and totally impractical but yknow
< 1513397967 752230 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: see above :]
< 1513397992 343805 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ..I looked at prolog in like 8th grade and it was too screwy for me to 'get' at the time
< 1513398027 118163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is good.
< 1513398036 484761 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I should probably look at it again
< 1513398049 179652 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does its whole system of doing things facilitate something like what I'm thinking of?
< 1513398094 510527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write, for example, append([1,2],[3,4],X) to make X be [1,2,3,4]
< 1513398111 989745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also write append([1,2],X,[1,2,3,4]) to make X be [3,4]
< 1513398138 546724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or append(X,[3,4],[1,2,3,4]), of course.
< 1513398164 377699 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well that's intriguing
< 1513398227 89745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or append(X,X,[1,2,1,2]) or whatever
< 1513398275 306776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is the language that says "no" a lot.
< 1513398306 783851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like in your Python example you can just put "return locals()" at the end of every function.
< 1513398328 970244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then use func(5)['local_var'] and so on.
< 1513398348 433788 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo good call
< 1513398438 943965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATLAB had some weird things going on with variable scope, though not like that.
< 1513398447 937682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: someone who is good at relations please help me satisfy this. my family is dying
< 1513398528 38773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was thinking of stuff like assignin('caller', 'foo', 123);
< 1513398543 387494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which assigns a value into a variable of the calling function.
< 1513398550 440108 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hopefully nobody's going to try making practical use of the concept (lol) but I actually hadn't realized, it really is just having every function return all of its locals
< 1513398620 891186 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn proves its total impracticality, esp if you've got some large function with a ton of local variables that really don't need to be passed around
< 1513398624 904041 :wright!49a9c047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.169.192.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's a neat idea
< 1513398737 959182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://uk.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/assignin.html https://uk.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/evalin.html  I like how the documentation doesn't even hint at that not necessarily being a great idea. It's even called "particularly useful".
< 1513398752 745366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, 4:30am is probably not the time for this.
< 1513398884 307555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Glad to hear that you can't evalin inside another evalin.
< 1513398888 212076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fizzie
< 1513398888 353442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Sat Dec 16 04:34:48 2017
< 1513398895 103025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentl it is the time for this hth
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< 1513400219 497094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript and other program languages have objects that you can assign into, and even in C you can have a struct that you can assign into. A function defined inside of that one can also read/write its local variables (even after the outer function has returned); GNU C also has something similar (but cannot be used once the outer function is finished).
< 1513400376 693106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By looking at those documentation, even MATLAB is having nested functions too, and can share variables too.
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< 1513406976 334618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, Farbfeld Utilities now can read one more file format.
> 1513407914 355388 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lost14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53621&oldid=53320 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+22) 10Fixed two code blocks
> 1513409290 186803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lost14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53622&oldid=53621 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+2489) 10Added a tutorial
> 1513409570 516382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lost14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53623&oldid=53622 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+164) 10Added to Categories
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> 1513410436 105145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lost14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53626&oldid=53623 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+30) 10Added Nondeterministic
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> 1513417177 849022 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Wheatwizard14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53627 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+1160) 10Created page with "I'm WheatWizard, I'm primarily active on [https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/56656/ PPCG]. My favorite esolang is [[Brain-Flak]], and I help maintain its the [https://gi..."
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> 1513424290 427379 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53628&oldid=53625 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15) 10/* B */ +[[BuzzFizz]]
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> 1513426040 5746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53629 5* 03Ais523 5* (+6090) 10new language!
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> 1513426521 614893 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53631&oldid=53603 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1372) 10one example is still not going to prove TCness (if it's not an interpreter for a TC language); here's a counterexample, plus an elaboration on the general point
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< 1513426768 438517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here aware of any other language with an if-if-else statement?
< 1513426781 148766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the sort of thing that must surely have been invented before
< 1513426812 204631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I just added it to make writing FizzBuzz easier, because if you're going to optimize for popular problems you may as well make them look good
> 1513426923 582980 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53632&oldid=53629 5* 03Ais523 5* (-2) 10/* Computational class */ fix plural
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< 1513426973 927478 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does Lisp's "cond" count?
< 1513426977 91327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people hardly ever make LBAs (although there was one just last month), and this fell into the class naturally
< 1513426991 757194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: isn't that an if-else if-else?
< 1513427004 633850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if both guards are true it only runs the first branch
< 1513427011 778918 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by if if else
< 1513427014 684191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an if-if-else runs both the first two branches if both guards are true
< 1513427025 305199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the third branch only if both are false
< 1513427044 18512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, no, I don't know such a thing
< 1513427048 759029 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit superfluous?
< 1513427054 604240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of it as the "FizzBuzz control structure"; first guard fizzes, second buzzes
< 1513427090 36295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how useful it is outside writing fizzbuzz
< 1513427265 251514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very useful in buzzfizz because you can't put two statements inside the same if guard
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< 1513427278 220362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you normally use an if-if-if-…-else with the same guard on each if
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< 1513428169 863029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I think I remember seeing a language with an "otherwise" statement that'd execute if none of the previous conditions matched, but would still run all the previous conditions.
< 1513428169 949898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513428173 883216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Unfortunately I can't seem to find it; all the "otherwise"s I can find (SQL, XSLT) seem to have the conventional switch / if-elseif-else style.
< 1513428173 883247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513428176 849780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Though arguably sed's s///-s///-t is an if-if-else.
< 1513428176 896253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1513428824 650190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` seq 15 | sed -e 'g;s/^/x/;h;tx;:x;s/^\(xxx\)*$/Fizz/;G;s/\n\(xxxxx\)*$/Buzz/;Ty;s/[\nx]//g;p;d;:y;s/[^x]//g;s/xx/x/g'
< 1513428825 507638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x \ xx \ Fizz \ xxxx \ Buzz \ Fizz \ xxxxxxx \ xxxxxxxx \ Fizz \ Buzz \ xxxxxxxxxxx \ Fizz \ xxxxxxxxxxxxx \ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx \ FizzBuzz
< 1513428839 170689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 `` seq 15 | sed -e 'g;s/^/x/;h;tx;:x;s/^\(xxx\)*$/Fizz/;G;s/\n\(xxxxx\)*$/Buzz/;Ty;s/[\nx]//g;p;d;:y;s/[^x]//g;s/xx/x/g'
< 1513428839 170718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1513437711 653237 :wob_jonas!~a@176.63.24.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the next page links in the daily logs are broken (the previous page links do work)
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< 1513439226 97291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is also the method used here:  \newcount\-\let~\advance\day0\loop~\-1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\-=3\-0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<`d\repeat\bye
< 1513440036 146437 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should be more active in this channel

< 1513440176 466737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have something to write about, then to do so, please.
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< 1513444447 291853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to have true net neutrality, meaning there can be no discrimination based on: protocol, address, port number, direction (incoming vs outgoing connections), file type, location, etc
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< 1513444589 206834 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys
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< 1513444730 362338 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to upgrade the OS on my home computer from debian 8 to debian 9 (stretch). If I disappear, then I broke my system somehow.
< 1513444791 184667 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've checked my recovery options, I can boot and access the main file system from both (1) a tiny netinstaller image on the hard disk, and (2) an installer CD. So if I render my system temporarily unbootable, I can use those.
< 1513444809 367092 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easiest way to mess up an upgrade is to get a power outage at the wrong stage, I hear.
< 1513444823 663363 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any parting words you want to tell me before I start the upgrade? You still have some time.
< 1513444915 194460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long do you expect it to take?
< 1513444921 69263 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I seriously don't understand how /etc/apt/sources.list works. It contains arcane incantations that I can't decode, and no docs explain it properly
< 1513444958 583709 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've no clue, it's been lots of years since I've done a dist-upgrade, and that was like three debian versions ago
< 1513444986 709904 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess two hours for the downloads and installs itself, then days to fix everything that broke.
< 1513445037 399500 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also six minutes to copy the new kernel to the boot partition and reboot
< 1513445065 811010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have nothing else I can think of right now
< 1513445092 937894 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I should buy a new computer, but that's sort of a different matter.
< 1513445107 706481 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except if I render the system unbootable then it will be harder to shop for a new computer.
< 1513445340 698959 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'm rebooting to single user mode now and then start the dist-upgrade
< 1513445342 509318 :wob_jonas!b03f194a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1513445659 502941 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get dist-upgrade started. it's downloading packages now.
< 1513445735 105922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can suggest a new MIME header which could be used on NNTP messages (and other MIME messages) to specify what resource (identified by URI) it is a comment to, if applicable. Almost any URI scheme is valid (some, such as "about" and "file", do not normally make sense; "file" may still be usable on local systems though)
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< 1513445824 858717 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :download says "34%"
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< 1513446081 938539 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :download complete. that was quick. now for the slow part, installing all the packages.
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< 1513446619 485298 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually upgrading the base packages now, like libc. 
< 1513446640 710901 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the join spam by the way
< 1513446702 973275 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing systemd now
< 1513446727 744511 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, not installing systemd
< 1513446745 297434 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just handling triggers for systemd to upgrade configuration files or something
< 1513446759 380239 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's installing libreoffice now
< 1513446789 83187 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has a heuristic to install stuff the starts with "lib" first, which is why libreoffice comes so early
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< 1513447201 821199 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's isntalling some kde and wayland stuff now
< 1513447288 375429 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1513447378 944385 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( waylaying X11 )
< 1513447465 773488 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing some warnings scrolling by
< 1513447775 798559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Wayland so much I think X is better (although, there are a few problem, I have written about how to fix them)
< 1513447803 586592 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, X keeps being installed, it's just installing wayland so you can run wayland programs on X or something
< 1513447843 227393 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really I'm not sure how it works. there are thousands of packages and I don't recognize what most of them does. I've seen it installed octave, and magickwand
< 1513447857 903973 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : but there are lots of other packages that I don't know about
< 1513447875 628924 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's installing texlive stuff, that's always large
< 1513448317 418148 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513448704 391975 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still installing more and packages
< 1513448761 221796 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513448841 620714 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just installed a new version of gzip :-)
< 1513448867 966817 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably just a new binary build of the same version
< 1513448968 773057 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` dateu # are you here, hackego?
< 1513448969 567478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017-12-16 18:28:40.740654000+00:00
< 1513449205 338826 :Aparecido!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT :
< 1513449222 407463 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fea0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1513449248 445506 :Aquenaton!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513449451 930879 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll come back later when it's finished these installs. Then I'll install the kernel and check what it's telling me about remaining unsatisfied dependencies
< 1513449656 406571 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it may have finished unpacking the packages, and is at the "Setting up" stage now
< 1513449667 548030 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I might have to look for prompts
< 1513449957 218578 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1513450104 358813 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513450114 567464 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still setting up packages
< 1513450378 602459 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it's giving the interactive questions now
< 1513450527 725485 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, only one interactive question, then continuing to set up packages
< 1513450557 364654 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@77.22.254.160 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513450788 393329 :nc_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1513452272 365518 :nc_jonas!~a@176.63.25.74 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513452281 873789 :nc_jonas!~a@176.63.25.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dist-upgrade command ended, now I'm installing the kernel then checking what errors it enocountered
< 1513452651 327086 :nc_jonas!~a@176.63.25.74 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1513452686 720605 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513452703 343551 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main install is done, but I haven't rebooted yet. I'm doing cleanup stuff now.
< 1513452728 766836 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing the obsolete packages, then let's see what the errors are it encounters with partly installed packages
> 1513452748 659896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53633&oldid=53632 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+36) 10/* Computational class */ Corrections (the original is wrong because \ can be used with constant second argument)
< 1513452880 372740 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some error about acpid, but I think that will clear after I redo it with the new kernel
< 1513453137 710173 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1513453258 410292 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513453285 347510 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513453295 901007 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : I rebooted to the new kernel, now I'm fixing everything the upgrade broke
< 1513453308 761577 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least starting to, I'll encounter more later probably
< 1513453397 333313 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the acpid thing installed now
< 1513453399 945561 :nc_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-25-74.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1513453480 326954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p.
< 1513453617 82403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :running in pyjamas
< 1513453705 366826 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@77.22.254.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1513454056 331432 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1513454058 340421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn rip//R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
< 1513454060 655282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'rip': R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
< 1513454080 769749 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513454131 123439 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp repro
< 1513454132 764047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zygohistomorphic prepromorphism:A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor.
< 1513454429 992742 :nc_jonas!~a@176.63.25.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513454456 124160 :nc_jonas!~a@176.63.25.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some problem with switching between X and console, it can end up in a wedged state when there's no screen or terminal or anything so I have to reboot
< 1513454725 327485 :nc_jonas!~a@176.63.25.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1513454938 362081 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fea0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513454969 75231 :augur!~augur@h-67-100-92-114.snfc.ca.globalcapacity.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513455212 23931 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? r.i.p.
< 1513455213 160218 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513455256 503000 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s rip wisdom/r.i.p.
< 1513455258 533293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513455286 171266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas Thanks for the report. Looks like I dropped the .html prefix when rejiggling some code.
< 1513455286 217923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513455291 19107 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :]zoid[
< 1513455293 871889 :]zoid[!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony
< 1513455325 553799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas s/prefix/suffix/
< 1513455325 600265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513455492 475163 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86CE61.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? r.i.p.
< 1513455493 623282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
< 1513455557 757792 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: symlink wisdoms might be a bit brittle if people edit...
< 1513455581 881885 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1513455610 919078 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also there's an issue with `revert)
< 1513455632 63276 :augur!~augur@h-67-100-92-114.snfc.ca.globalcapacity.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1513456084 601758 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@83.88.251.147 PART :#esoteric
< 1513456140 425110 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `revert
< 1513456141 805275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See . It is a builtin command so cannot be called from other commands.
< 1513456181 2244 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url
< 1513456181 895088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/
< 1513456235 473283 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd `revert//s,http.*bot,https://hackego.esolangs.org,
< 1513456237 446823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`revert//`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See . It is a builtin command so cannot be called from other commands.
< 1513456254 39819 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does that still work
< 1513456280 624222 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so
< 1513456295 272708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the hackego. domain is still pointing at the CaC host.
< 1513456310 615806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't discussed if HackEgo should move or not.
< 1513456335 473779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how, well, hacky it is, maybe that's a reasonable place.
< 1513456340 698657 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: are you feeling more speedy now
< 1513456382 226037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I repurposed the web server as http://experimental.esolangs.org/ so that, if I have some configuration changes or MediaWiki upgrades, I can deploy them there first.
< 1513456402 410252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513456405 258373 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1513456406 432505 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1638: 0.185876697 openat(AT_FDCWD,"/root/.emacs.d/init.elc",O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC,00) ERR#13 'Permission denied'
< 1513456409 379683 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops
< 1513456410 876554 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel
< 1513456465 520051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that looks like strace but the output format is slightly different
< 1513456470 457023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's strace on non-Linux
< 1513456486 777524 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :truss output
< 1513456520 79882 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fancy
< 1513456548 398699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Feels very professional and all, to not test in production.
< 1513456814 994719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I for one am inclined to wait for the symlink to break
< 1513456876 205234 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm canary wisdom/r.i.p.
< 1513456878 225002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513456880 434194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs

< 1513456894 844950 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod -r canary
< 1513456896 740117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513456898 294637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? r.i.p.
< 1513456900 849225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
< 1513456914 623877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1513456922 832049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting.
< 1513456932 864326 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's how you break them
< 1513456964 523264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste wisdom/r.i.p.
< 1513456966 525482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/r.i.p.
< 1513457231 411170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best company name seen in the new Star Wars movie credits: "We Shoot Lasers Limited". (Mentioned for LIDAR services.)
< 1513457608 626122 :Aquenaton!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT :
< 1513457670 917653 :Aquenaton!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513457780 39646 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol
< 1513457883 387346 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513458025 866639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a puzzle: what does "0ab 0bc 0cd 0de 0ea aBb bCc cDd dEe eAa aAB bBC cCD dDE eEA 1BA 1CB 1DC 1ED 1AE" encode?
< 1513458258 158956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like esolang code, but it's too symmetrical
< 1513458389 284489 :zarcade_droid!~arcade_dr@unaffiliated/arcade-droid/x-4286778 NICK :arcade_droid
< 1513458396 732559 :arcade_droid!~arcade_dr@unaffiliated/arcade-droid/x-4286778 NICK :^arcade_droid
< 1513458452 907922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I think I have messed this up, which would make the puzzle impossible. I'm trying to specify the corners of a dodecahedron.
< 1513458645 368853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think that's correct? assuming it is genuinely symmetrical
< 1513458646 457471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I got lucky, that appears to be correct.
< 1513458678 186644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was working from a wrong picture, so I had reason to be skeptical :)
< 1513459004 657659 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/r.i.p.
< 1513459006 736180 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 3 Dec 16 20:40 wisdom/r.i.p. -> rip
< 1513459010 398949 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1513459018 940233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then
< 1513459053 675768 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe it's been fixed in hg, istr fizzie upgraded at one point.
< 1513459088 370731 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1513459102 684497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, maybe.
< 1513459247 23464 :augur!~augur@h-67-102-17-2.snfc.ca.globalcapacity.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513459338 380832 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that other bugfix for `revert also fixed that
< 1513459376 471846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I fixed anything specifically for symlinks, but I did fix one or two other revert-related things. Who knows. It's a mystery.
< 1513459378 435275 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget r.i.p.
< 1513459380 377168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove ‘wisdom/r.i.p.’: No such file or directory \ Forget what?
< 1513459384 506002 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full
< 1513459388 915316 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wat
< 1513459390 604094 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wat: not found
< 1513459411 515 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? r.i.p.
< 1513459413 731243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513459417 320918 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rip
< 1513459419 879128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
< 1513459422 701276 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1513459423 804772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: Permission denied: /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/canary
< 1513459430 812565 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1513459434 793755 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url
< 1513459436 870454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/
< 1513459470 833268 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1513459490 260214 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gone, and the repository browser hasn't noticed
< 1513459502 928883 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? r.i.p.
< 1513459505 187573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r.i.p.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513459514 699442 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1513459525 53845 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary
< 1513459526 962612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--w------- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 16 20:40 canary
< 1513459531 241272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rejoice in pooches
< 1513459541 797250 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod +r canary
< 1513459543 463573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1513459576 998097 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the repository browser still sees nothing
< 1513459579 498918 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l canary
< 1513459580 281167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Dec 16 20:40 canary
< 1513459584 945476 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1513459586 165509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1513459609 431594 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1513459610 551498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1513459661 794595 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? r.i.p.
< 1513459662 942532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
< 1513459670 844348 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/r.i.p.
< 1513459671 713012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 3 Dec 16 21:24 wisdom/r.i.p. -> rip
< 1513459681 651154 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it got restored into a symlink
< 1513459704 260717 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that particular bug is gone, but other things remain crazy hth
< 1513459720 885925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, again with the weird modes.
< 1513459743 842378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing "abort: Permission denied: /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/canary" is because of that.
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< 1513459749 151961 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1513459756 415961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that canary can be a lot of fun sometimes
< 1513459784 720816 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget r.i.p.
< 1513459786 432415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1513459805 27393 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1513459806 153275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1513459812 682948 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? r.i.p.
< 1513459813 777618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. is short for "running in pyjamas".
< 1513459820 488711 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/r.i.p.
< 1513459821 469023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 3 Dec 16 21:29 wisdom/r.i.p. -> rip
< 1513459827 548925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay.
< 1513459837 817157 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it seems it behaves sanely when canary isn't broken
< 1513459859 108271 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that showed up in the browser)
< 1513459877 372357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any issue that messes the ability of "hg status -rumad" + remove all mentioned files + "hg up -C" to restore the working copy to exactly match the repository contents is likely to leave it in a weird state.
< 1513459920 460247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fwiw, other two reverts also showed up in the repo browser for me, even before you changed the canary permissions
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< 1513459950 444317 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but the command that removed r.i.p. initially did not
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< 1513459969 956558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahok
< 1513459988 241891 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did my attempts to put it back, before fixing canary
< 1513460027 935636 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, presumably because the repository never noticed it was gone
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< 1513463866 656494 :Aquenaton!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1513463910 782949 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that the B. in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stands for Benoit B. Mandelbrot ?
< 1513463939 117807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't know that
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< 1513463956 957046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 1d 18h 37m 13s ago: Do you like KOI-8?
< 1513463965 758438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answered that question already
< 1513464054 125182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
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< 1513467255 763975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you agree with ais523 that BuzzFizz is not LBA-complete?
< 1513467272 118666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot suss out the intuition
< 1513467277 906661 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :LBA complete?
< 1513467279 221951 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dumb

< 1513467324 1351 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear bounded automaton, apparently
< 1513467349 912466 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1513467357 375316 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :those I've heard of
< 1513468012 50971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what happens on division by 0?
< 1513468192 241774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question. on previous languages, ais523 has included the disclaimer "anything not expressly described as accepted behavior is an error" or something to that effect. my best guess would be "it crashes the program"
< 1513468583 166370 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 divides nothing else and is divided by everything.
< 1513468595 93823 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the usual math answer.
< 1513468618 623794 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a nice thing to be stated explicitly in this case
< 1513468620 334554 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nvm
< 1513468631 310711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you understand the intuition for sub-LBA-completeness?
< 1513468643 985307 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1513468762 704106 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that it's sufficient to supply the program with a binary string as a natural number, plus a constant value 2^(kn) to delimit the space.
< 1513468827 725843 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition is that it is complete.
< 1513468972 852592 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fea0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1513468979 474747 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why 2^(kn) is needed, the size of the binary string should be enough...
< 1513468996 602083 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose it could make it easier.
< 1513469318 518917 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me you can implement brainfuck with a finite number of LB cells
< 1513469339 566527 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1513469365 76336 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only +, not -, but that should be possible to deal with
< 1513469422 769012 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get - modulo a given constant.
< 1513469446 165479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you would want it modulo the input bound
< 1513469473 931870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :input is read into constants
< 1513469491 22483 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case you don't get it
< 1513469503 854049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not immediately
< 1513469531 488348 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably a simple loop
< 1513469533 860064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with (n,n+1), increment both until the latter becomes divisible by the bound.
< 1513469537 853881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1513469586 766491 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it should be possible to calculate 2^n from the input
< 1513469605 220246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a loop that doubles until you hit it
< 1513469631 188946 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but it won't be a constant that way
< 1513469674 111530 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh you can test for even-ness, so you can probably test for 2^n division with a loop
< 1513469730 190816 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the control flow of the language is a bit weird though, hopefully nothing seriously limiting)
< 1513469790 141192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags are easy.
< 1513469832 435434 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the if ... if else thing is good for enforcing several conditions for a command
< 1513469852 606249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually negation is the easier primitive (you can clear values modulo C (increment until divisible by C). To negate, start with (n,0) and incrment to (0,-n)).
< 1513469895 525536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in order to start with (n,n+1), one would have to copy a counter...)
< 1513469942 908172 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 int-e and i are getting pretty convinced BuzzFizz _is_ LBA complete.
< 1513469942 998019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513469978 918707 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot that I want it to be circular 
< 1513469978 965305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;)
< 1513469980 737560 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1513469980 962903 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: no like me
< 1513469986 12463 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its just slow
< 1513469997 763836 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that's a human responding
< 1513470002 139072 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION confused

< 1513470014 115146 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :function: that's one of its standard replies
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< 1513470031 523649 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked fast to me, you may be lagged.
< 1513470125 629882 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so it has plenty of arithmetic (with negation, multiplication should also be a breeze)
< 1513470147 29804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write "else if" is the else flag then set afterward?
< 1513470205 654583 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and the else: isn't needed for all this. (In fact it makes arbitrary flow control harder, since the natural way of doing that is to add a flag for every basic block)
< 1513470309 997901 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :function ()
< 1513470312 574372 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm that seems a bit weird.
< 1513470338 828132 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION executes Roger9 

< 1513470366 720354 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION passes control flow to oerjan

< 1513470368 40847 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh right you can nest ifs
< 1513470713 102615 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://nethack4.org/esolangs/buzzfizz/buzzfizz.y seems to imply so
< 1513470788 371098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1513470913 793407 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it gets compiled into if ($else) { ... } $else = 1; )
< 1513470945 540359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I saw that
< 1513471014 274098 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the divisions are perl %
< 1513471026 659838 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e print (1%0);
< 1513471027 370245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal modulus zero at -e line 1.
< 1513471034 800039 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will error
< 1513471064 356550 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e print !(1%0);
< 1513471065 93875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal modulus zero at -e line 1.
< 1513471428 503642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you have multiple BuzzFizz programs piped together?
< 1513472643 483525 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1513473651 753721 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœirjan!
< 1513473656 134317 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1513473658 539882 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf.
< 1513474577 690487 :Aquenaton!~Aparecido@200-216-43-7.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit brushes!!! \o/
< 1513474817 200112 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1513475098 71163 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats trout

< 1513475104 508794 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bites Roger9 

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< 1513481080 647364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description for Unnecessary says that any valid program is a null program and is also a quine, but I am not so sure. Null program mean it has zero length; if it doesn't exist then it has not any length whether zero or otherwise. The quine is same problem.
< 1513481174 805845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you believe me or not?
< 1513481243 502621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not.
< 1513481270 250693 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a difference between an empty file and a nonecistent file
< 1513481288 158396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one of them can be listed in a directory
< 1513481301 669674 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one of them has a name
< 1513481331 58727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is true, but it does not seem to have to do with what I mentioned
< 1513481698 24959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :"sorry for my connection"
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< 1513481725 746685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Unnecessary the program must be nonexistent, rather than empty
< 1513481733 227393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it's not clear what it means for a program to generate nonexistent output
< 1513481735 449393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should crash?
< 1513481757 136209 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :produce zero bytes?
< 1513481787 500838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message oerjan I'm far from certain it isn't LBA-complete; it would be surprising, but in a good way; it's confusing because it takes input in a different way from most LBAs
< 1513481787 547346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages?
< 1513481793 113689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I'm far from certain it isn't LBA-complete; it would be surprising, but in a good way; it's confusing because it takes input in a different way from most LBAs
< 1513481793 113717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1513481800 909669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: that's empty output, not nonexistent output
< 1513481812 372816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it should close stdout? delete stdout?
< 1513481823 408321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting stdout is actually a meaningful operation on UNIX, sometimes, although you may well not have permission for it
< 1513481869 351847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making producing nonexistent output is easily enough without changing the implementation; simply to define Unnecessary as having no I/O.
< 1513481921 920833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that the interpreter is connected to stdout is not a feature of the programming language.
< 1513482027 668143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suspect it's possible to multiply numbers in BuzzFizz, at least as long as you only want to print the output
< 1513482029 866697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can an LBA do that?
< 1513482050 546270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. Did you write a program to multiply numbers?
> 1513482087 538479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53634&oldid=53633 5* 03Ais523 5* (+18) 10/* Syntax */ minor fix to an ambiguous description
< 1513482105 57572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not yet but I think I know what it would look like
< 1513482198 898968 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: an LBA is strictly greater than a 2DFA
< 1513482204 322796 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 DFA has been shown to be able to multiple numbers
< 1513482211 803894 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an LBA can multiply
< 1513482236 327388 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1740257
< 1513482256 729806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: oh, duh, of course
< 1513482262 917571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking there might not be room for the answer but of course there is
< 1513482305 533303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to do it a digit at a time in most LBAs because they couldn't read the entire answer at once, but that's not really a problem, there's no rule saying you /can't/ do it a digit at a time
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< 1513517074 651534 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1513517079 931980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:thé//Thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth. \ apt-get//apt-get installs whatever you wanted, plus whatever Mark Shuttleworth wanted. \ atriq//atriq or two \ rhubarb//Rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb, rhubarb: rhubarb rhubarb? Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb rhubarb. \ termite//Termites are genericized ants for intellectu
< 1513517080 980701 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1513517081 946301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:al property reasons.
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< 1513520594 820481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( argh. )
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< 1513520959 457477 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, you OK?
< 1513521052 657665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm fine. Just feeling stupid for producing an unsolvable megaminx configuration because I forgot about the permutation parity.
< 1513521151 446993 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had this, http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/d.svg ... and I noticed the parity problem when I reached the final face on the real thing :P)
< 1513521303 309931 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the question I'm investigating is whether it's possible to have 11 distinct colors on each of the 12 sides)
< 1513521919 378433 :wob_jonas!b03f18a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.160 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513521950 384422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case this got a little out of hand... I guess I've already spent about 8 hours on this now.
< 1513521976 199606 :wob_jonas!b03f18a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the upgrade has changed some settings that I left on default and I will have to set up, but the only big problem found so far is that twice I got locked up when switching away from an X11. Might be some driver problem.
< 1513521993 203231 :wob_jonas!b03f18a0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you guys?
< 1513522275 87365 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas!
< 1513522300 83570 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello!
< 1513522302 258741 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle!
< 1513522324 647003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. next try... http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/d2.svg
< 1513522415 751972 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what are those shiny shapes?
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< 1513524929 121250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's supposed to be a (reachable) megaminx configuration with all sides consisting of distinct colors, but I still have an odd permutation for the corners...
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< 1513525454 89267 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I identified my mistake...
< 1513525517 563004 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what in fungot's name is a megaminx...

< 1513525517 901842 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and the lack of clarity
< 1513525538 274390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google megaminx
< 1513525538 960741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ruwix.com/twisty-puzzles/megaminx-gigaminx-teraminx-petaminx/
< 1513525542 995450 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! it's a d12 rubik!
< 1513525758 181056 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to understand how to code in jelly

< 1513525761 471794 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails miserably

< 1513525895 31251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... let's be brutal (O(n^4) size encoding for even permutations of n elements...)  and try again.
< 1513525923 215261 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION resorts to poking fungot

< 1513525923 605880 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: okay...... not all of them
< 1513525940 734948 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1513526067 31984 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's a megaminx configuration. Makes sense. I was wondering what that colored dodecahedron was.
< 1513526111 144025 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my go-to link would be https://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/megaminx.htm
< 1513526296 858082 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe now it's finally correct? http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/d3.svg
< 1513526613 159882 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: this would be easier if you just showed it on a physical megaminix that I could turn in my hand. it's hard to understand the config from a screen
< 1513526951 490011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1513526989 938746 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily
< 1513526996 751698 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :behily
< 1513527001 876863 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1513527008 301969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhellony
< 1513527012 355647 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1513527013 146412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1513527080 998620 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1513527083 533789 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloony!
< 1513527092 157315 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to make an esoteric language and then write an interpreter for it

< 1513527094 41125 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does so

< 1513527107 924273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good on you
< 1513527118 722119 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMellonn. is it a purply language?
< 1513527118 768586 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, challange: say hello to ATMunn like you do everyone else
< 1513527138 188139 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :purply?
< 1513527148 933099 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn, 'purple colored'. Don't ask.
< 1513527154 730186 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :P
< 1513527165 483523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey everyone else! whats your language going to be about?
< 1513527203 849452 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :chickens
< 1513527213 992680 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may or may not end up posting about it here, don't expect it to be anything to profound or new though :P)
< 1513527223 640269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt talking to you moony
< 1513527307 239626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: are you saying it will be a brainfuck derivative? that is a very popular way to make not new things
< 1513527330 429594 :bashrc!~bashrc@183.83.214.68 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513527425 573780 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We already have so many brainfuck derivatives that there are no niches left to fill.
< 1513527434 401470 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be surprised.
< 1513527458 87162 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not until we get meta brainfuck
< 1513527464 975123 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking a while ago about making a taxi-like language (but with a different "theme")
< 1513527465 627704 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a real implementation)
< 1513527497 557499 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nah I don't care much for bf
< 1513527510 361975 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :idek how to write a program in it
< 1513527552 382793 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty straightforward, it's an imperative language
< 1513527562 432430 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its easy. you just strimg together +-<>[]., add pepper to taste
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< 1513527623 833561 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm aware that it's not hard
< 1513527634 610759 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't have much of an interest in it
< 1513527680 584168 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :youndont have to have an interest in it. you just use it as a way to scratch some other itch
< 1513527768 503289 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyways, I'm aware that there are about a million derivatives of it out there, so I certainly won't add to them
< 1513527932 589212 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_derivatives.bind(Number.add, [1]).call(ATMunn);
< 1513527950 847549 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1513529259 475003 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's start a Btjzxgquartfrqifjoust ring!
< 1513529554 847142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, finally it worked out.
< 1513529598 106896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, *now* I have a physical version of that configuration.
< 1513529715 645200 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: great.
< 1513531360 130058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/d/
< 1513531428 444645 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blurry photos but the idea is that the first series corresponds to the left half of the diagram (top of the dodecahedron) and the second series to the right side (bottom)
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< 1513533101 478198 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice
< 1513533118 492714 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a stickerless miniminx?
< 1513533148 809323 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1513533153 261476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hmm
< 1513533154 427081 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mini?
< 1513533161 721291 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :megaminx, whatever
< 1513533171 901735 :wob_jonas!b03f1884@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow how all these puzzles are called
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< 1513542641 24470 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1513542641 113989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 16h 54m 7s ago: I'm far from certain it isn't LBA-complete; it would be surprising, but in a good way; it's confusing because it takes input in a different way from most LBAs
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< 1513543367 261756 :Guest6549!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah_
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< 1513544905 110171 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you have a Turing tape with useable length l and k cell values, then you can give BuzzFizz the input as the two values k^l and the-data-in-base-k, the combined size is linear in the turing tape input, and you can do an emulation of the bounded tape with two bounded registers (mod k^l).
< 1513544935 239406 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/data/input tape/
< 1513544990 960808 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(k is a true constant so the program can depend on it.)
< 1513545047 902237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not immediately obvious how to extract digits in base k, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some way
< 1513545067 748190 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can divide by k in a loop
< 1513545100 536328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because k is a constant, you can repeatedly loop from 1 up to k and subtract each time
< 1513545111 209839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the big advantage of having k^l as an input is that subtraction is a meaningful operation then
< 1513545131 907991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, actually, no
< 1513545135 157486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can subtract general integers
< 1513545136 489011 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you strictly _need_ k^l as an input, but it makes things simpler
< 1513545148 309464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop up to the lower one, then start counting as you loop up to the higher one
< 1513545178 816555 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's pretty much like int-e found out yesterday
< 1513545242 108890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is unintuitive in the reverse way to normal
< 1513545250 825108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1513545259 535642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of things that seem easy turning out to be hard, things that seem hard/impossible turn out to be doable in a fairly straightforward way
< 1513545266 165983 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1513545278 127083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "you have to have a counter on one side of \ and a constant on the other side" feels much more restrictive than it actually is
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< 1513545487 902256 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, i determined one thing about countercall
< 1513545518 590659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested, more countercall knowledge sounds like a good thing
< 1513545523 279246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :call a sequence of commands "clamped" if there's an upper bound to what values it can halt with.
< 1513545523 716291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to have caught many people's imaginatinos
< 1513545532 194956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what values of the counter, that is?
< 1513545535 578161 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1513545621 453568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then clamped sequences are infectious: any command sequence referring to one, including inside a function, is also clamped.
< 1513545772 296589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that violates my intuition somewhat, but assuming that's correct the language probably isn't TC
< 1513545800 615179 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this doesn't disallow sequences from not halting.
< 1513545880 114932 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prove this, it helps to have another more obvious fact:
< 1513545929 627537 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any command sequence there exists constants n and k such that if the initial counter is <=n, then the effect of the sequence is to add k to it.
< 1513545987 21969 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(proof: n is -number of top-level + in the sequence, k is the +es - the -es.)
< 1513546017 692311 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no function gets to run then.)
< 1513546075 240181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's fairly clear
< 1513546159 176862 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means, in particular, that if A and B are command sequences, A is clamped with bound m and B has the n and k as above, then there are at most m+n output values of A that B does anything other than add k to.
< 1513546230 212557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there seems to be a sign error here somewhere
< 1513546232 180383 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1513546237 449797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, m-n i guess
< 1513546242 359963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll buy that
< 1513546309 673991 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those m-n values can only give m-n outputs of B, so there's a maximum; everything else becomes less than m+k, so A B is clamped.
< 1513546328 396346 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ignoring things that don't halt.)
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< 1513546384 118982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right
< 1513546386 266223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm
< 1513546401 422820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not 100% clear what proportion of the code has to be in terminating functions
< 1513546440 639935 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you go keymaker's route and emulate things while never halting...
< 1513546455 466434 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saying "things" alot

< 1513546498 411806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to let the functions terminate sometime, otherwise it's a 1-counter machine
< 1513546514 452271 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1513546550 448108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, hmm, I'm not sure if the clampedness is a problem after all
< 1513546553 311776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is so infuriating
< 1513546569 958449 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that A B is clamped if B is is trivial, as is f where f : B and B is clamped.
< 1513546623 57908 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1513546630 409020 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks syntax

< 1513546640 440109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imagine a recursive function that calls itself, then a clamped function, then increments the counter
< 1513546648 407979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any reason why the return value is necessarily clamped
< 1513546684 942080 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there wasn't any syntax to check
< 1513546783 496192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: f : ... f ... g +  then  calling f will end up with g + as the last command run if f runs at all
< 1513546812 523107 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will be clamped to at most one higher than g is
< 1513546838 679710 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and if it halts.
< 1513546894 437840 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a return value at all, it must pass through g.
< 1513546952 654436 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's at the top level call of f, what happens recursively doesn't matter.
< 1513547203 569954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if any function _doesn't_ get to run that means things are already clamped at <= 0.
< 1513547241 156009 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cannot avoid this by getting g not to run
< 1513547249 274452 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or f itself
< 1513547283 479039 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum 
< 1513547300 597359 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*procedure
< 1513547336 49874 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way countercall works it's pretty much functions mathematically
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< 1513548144 743369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah right
< 1513548153 615475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I strongly suspect that countercall isn't TC
< 1513548167 243167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that makes it very hard to restore the counter to the positives without everything going out of control
< 1513548599 957570 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem tricky
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< 1513552487 144403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wboily
< 1513552526 93457 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1513552536 239116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did?
< 1513552589 123271 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have shuffled tiles <_<... >_>'...
< 1513552595 38828 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can stop whenever I want!
< 1513552883 288698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. but can you want to stop whenever you want?
< 1513552952 220584 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1513552953 552998 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders

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< 1513553183 457930 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome poq
< 1513553184 931063 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06poq: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04EFnet 07or 08DALnet.)
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< 1513553209 640749 :poq!~null@skidstain.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1513553227 491596 :poq!~null@skidstain.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blows ion a kiss

< 1513553255 116245 :poq!~null@skidstain.com PART :#esoteric
< 1513553355 80311 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooh! a drive-by ion licking!
< 1513553360 64328 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen that in a while ^^
< 1513553545 542910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, is that what relcome looks like?
< 1513553555 245378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reminded of why they turned off color in their IRC client originally

< 1513553565 594585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other channels I'm in use it for more useful things than that :-D
< 1513553599 7880 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523. what kind of useful things it can be used for?
< 1513553652 70021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorcoded bot messages, most commonly
< 1513553662 627375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the bot outputs a colored header explaining why it posted the message
< 1513553670 633692 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1513553733 478193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome test
< 1513553734 914150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09test: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.)
< 1513553739 787921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's better
< 1513553754 864954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the yellow in my client was out of place compared to the other colors, I adjusted it tob e more consistent with them)
< 1513553760 579706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might need to make the blue a bit brighter too, I guess
< 1513553777 278979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The wiki recent changes are colored, FWIW.
< 1513553796 153964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome test
< 1513553797 546927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02test: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.)
< 1513553806 570339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, that's nicely readable
< 1513553946 168887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from being really garish and rainbow-colored, but I guess that's what it's meant to do
< 1513554257 402069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rElCoMe ais523 
< 1513554258 23710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rElCoMe: not found
< 1513554261 227458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
< 1513554291 474487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`RELCOME ais523 
< 1513554292 119263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: RELCOME: not found
< 1513554305 387666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sadly lacking in formatting possibilitites
< 1513554333 25164 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find -iname '*elcome*
< 1513554333 771963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1513554339 231457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Just compose.
< 1513554340 29663 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find -iname '*elcome*'
< 1513554340 904613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` relcome | CaT
< 1513554342 717618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13wElCoMe 04To 07ThE 08iNtErNaTiOnAl 09HuB 02fOr 06EsOtErIc 13PrOgRaMmInG 04lAnGuAgE 07dEsIgN 08aNd 09DePlOyMeNt! 02fOr 06MoRe 13InFoRmAtIoN, 04ChEcK 07oUt 08OuR 09wIkI: 02. 06(FoR 13tHe 04OtHeR 07kInD 08oF 09eSoTeRiCa, 02tRy 06#eSoTeRiC 13oN 04eFnEt 07Or 08DaLnEt.)
< 1513554343 755516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./bin/Welcome \ ./bin/wElCoMe \ ./bin/velcome \ ./bin/autowelcome \ ./bin/WELCOME \ ./bin/welcome \ ./bin/relcome \ ./bin/WeLcOmE \ ./bin/welcome \ ./bin/ReLcOmE \ ./bin/rwelcome \ ./bin/elcome \ ./share/autowelcome_status \ ./.hg/store/data/autowelcome__status.i \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/_welcome.i \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/velcome.i \ ./.hg/store/d
< 1513554363 576407 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find bin -iname '*elcome*'
< 1513554364 421624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/Welcome \ bin/wElCoMe \ bin/velcome \ bin/autowelcome \ bin/WELCOME \ bin/welcome \ bin/relcome \ bin/WeLcOmE \ bin/welcome \ bin/ReLcOmE \ bin/rwelcome \ bin/elcome
< 1513554388 357951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused that it's even possible to bold the name of an executable (although I know why it works)
< 1513554394 906861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome test
< 1513554396 271854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​test: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1513554445 303685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should have started on R instead of r
< 1513554451 693625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ReLcOmE ais523 
< 1513554453 241172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07AiS523: 08WeLcOmE 09To 02tHe 06iNtErNaTiOnAl 13hUb 04fOr 07eSoTeRiC 08PrOgRaMmInG 09LaNgUaGe 02dEsIgN 06AnD 13DePlOyMeNt! 04FoR 07MoRe 08iNfOrMaTiOn, 09ChEcK 02OuT 06OuR 13WiKi: 04. 07(fOr 08tHe 09oThEr 02kInD 06Of 13eSoTeRiCa, 04TrY 07#eSoTeRiC 08On 09eFnEt 02oR 06DaLnEt.)
< 1513554468 470197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I joined a channel and got that message, I would not feel welcome
< 1513554484 211377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that proves its effectiveness
< 1513554499 62653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of our welcomes, other than `welcome and its translated variants, are actually any good for welcoming new people
< 1513554506 890546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're mostly just for annoying regulars
< 1513554524 992469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo had so much potential – it was intended as an esolang-running bot that could be expanded to understand new esolangs
< 1513554530 585719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet look what people ended up doing with it :-(
< 1513554542 501138 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:-(/:-)/
< 1513554567 325836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`# :-(//`? shaventions
< 1513554568 617266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1/4/5, edit. Taneb did not invent them yet.
< 1513554571 152091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there was actual ontopic conversation here today!
< 1513554580 830320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many of the shaventions are useful.
< 1513554668 9970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have had ontopic conversation for several days straight ais523. it's nice in small doses.
< 1513554740 219129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what point do you give up on topic prescriptivism and recognize that the topic is what people talk about?
< 1513554782 442960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if the channel has no connection to its topic then it's effectively equivalent to all other channels with no connection to its topic, up to its userbase
< 1513554800 994206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's true.
< 1513554814 728456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can flip this around: I'm currently in nine different NetHack-related channels and we often move a NetHack-related conversation from one to another because it's getting offtopic for the specific channel
< 1513554832 879925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have different userbases because some people care about some conversations and not others
< 1513554833 891446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that too, of course.
< 1513554857 983282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this channel has always had some proportion of offtopic conversation that I've disliked
< 1513554873 119743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it has offtopic conversation I'm fine with (e.g. general programming/computery stuff)
< 1513554879 658916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ontopic conversation is why I'm here
< 1513554889 219557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in periods when ontopic conversation has been rare I just haven't joined at all
< 1513554899 851029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of places to discuss general programming/computery stuff, after all
< 1513554920 107766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, something came up at work recently that I thought this channel might like, it's rather eso in spirit
< 1513554932 310773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking into whether it's possible to extend anonymous inner classes in Java
< 1513554955 647703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end it turned out to be unnecessary, so I stopped looking into it, but it's an interesting/bizarre problem
< 1513554964 103690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sometimes they're generated as final, sometimes not
< 1513554968 369629 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcotmwoffiyz31.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1513554973 152438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have a lot of channel overlap with other people in the channel, it's different, of course.
< 1513554985 903691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-static inner classes in Java are kind of an odd construct.
< 1513554994 533005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised when I first learned how they work.
< 1513555018 289138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one thing I have discovered is that it's possible to extend a named inner class, even if it's both not-static and private (!)
< 1513555023 370746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you have to be in the same package
< 1513555047 634779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't construct an object of the resulting derived class via the normal means, as you can't run a super constructor, but you can do it using deserialisation or the like
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< 1513558361 704216 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1513558366 678297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:rules of wisdom//unless essential for the entry‘s humor, they should:  be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation gblh//Gblh but less helpful. \ laughed//They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian. They're not laughing n
< 1513558367 403438 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1513558368 293777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ow! \ nth//nth is not that helpful \ gaspacho//You like Gaspacho and I like Gazpacho. Let's call the whole thing off!
< 1513558618 153384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Huh.
< 1513559306 188020 :LeoLambda!Leo@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe3e:12c3 QUIT :K-Lined
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< 1513559423 702877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for anonymous inner classes, though, they seem to be marked as final or not more or less at random, at least I haven't spotted a pattern
< 1513559434 252224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not purely based on a) whether they capture this, b) whether they captuer other tihngs
< 1513559641 20843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. JLS says: "An anonymous class is never final (§8.1.1.2). The fact that an anonymous class is not final is relevant in casting, in particular the narrowing reference conversion allowed for the cast operator (§5.5). It is also of interest in subclassing, in that it is impossible to declare a subclass of an anonymous class, despite an anonymous class being non-final, because an anonymous class cannot 
< 1513559647 34951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :be named by an extends clause (§8.1.4)."
< 1513559689 147018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, I've certainly come across anonymous classes which a) have the final flag set in their bytecode, and b) give a verifyerror if you try to extend them
< 1513559716 848590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be some differences between Java and the JVM here
< 1513559745 470355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess extending them that way would fall outside the scope of the JLS, not being part of the language.
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< 1513559958 81936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this has helped; it explains why Modifier.isFinal() always returns false for anonymous classes
< 1513559967 229665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JLS says they're not final, so the reflection API says they're not final
< 1513559971 333120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the bytecode says otherwise
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< 1513560552 853953 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))
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< 1513562349 135237 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1513562817 737316 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero
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< 1513563706 710070 :elite_g33515!~dpszmd@98.217.76.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,03▄02,09▄08,07▄02,02▄04,04▄13,09▄02,06▄03,06▄12,11▄12,10▄10,08▄03,03▄12,10▄08,05▄11,09▄12,04▄05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETvtesfhtx: Vorpal MDude HackEgo erdic lynn sleffy Lord_of_Life shachaf joast zzo38 MrBusiness Lymia ATMunn Melvar sebbu augur Bowserinator Cale FreeFull sprocklem newsham_ fnodeuser grumble Sgeo fungot 
< 1513563707 60127 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elite_g33515: i'm not suggesting it should be possible between and?:).
< 1513563711 739318 :elite_g33515!~dpszmd@98.217.76.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,04▄07,08▄10,02▄12,08▄08,08▄13,06▄05,11▄11,02▄04,03▄06,13▄12,11▄11,03▄09,06▄08,07▄03,13▄13,09▄11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETgoeniznve: heroux jix garit izabera sftp sleffy Soni danieljabailey ski Lord_of_Life doesthiswork sprocklem Bowserinator Vorpal ineiros sparr Melvar lifthrasiir zzo38 brandonson ais523 lynn jaboja Hack
< 1513563716 3714 :elite_g33515!~dpszmd@98.217.76.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02,12▄12,02▄06,13▄11,09▄03,09▄11,09▄06,07▄13,04▄07,07▄13,12▄05,11▄13,04▄06,08▄03,10▄07,06▄13,05▄12,10▄07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETcrnfagcwi: GeekDude sparr jaboja MrBusiness ski aloril boily Soni MDude sftp staffehn_ Deewiant FreeFull brandonson Sgeo ATMunn Warrigal Cale Melvar erdic \oren\_ zzo38 lifthrasiir fungot con
< 1513563716 482995 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elite_g33515: or just you this: fnord is released! give them their own if their environment isn't working to subvert that.
< 1513563717 502411 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now its here lol
< 1513563720 766117 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523
< 1513563722 289077 :elite_g33515!~dpszmd@98.217.76.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02,09▄09,10▄12,09▄03,02▄03,04▄10,08▄06,12▄08,11▄05,04▄13,08▄03,08▄04,11▄13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--jYqzJErTI LRH IS LIVE NOW!! CALL 415-349-5666 #LRH EFNETjnqnnlxvv: aloril doesthiswork Vorpal contrapumpkin newsham_ Bowserinator sleffy staffehn_ sprocklem joast brandonson fnodeuser ais523 tromp heroux Warrigal \oren\_ LeoLambda deltab Melvar izabera Cale shachaf sebbu grumble Deewiant esowiki 
< 1513563722 444283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric elite_g33515 :I don't have a better default kick reason, but if you're being kicked, you should know why
< 1513563723 230634 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1513563740 760150 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that kick message
< 1513563750 998558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeekDude: it works fine as a default kick message
< 1513563774 743327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I need to kick someone for a non-obvious reason I'd normally have time to explain why
< 1513563810 412982 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup that was obvious 
< 1513563821 866923 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's the spambot everybody's talking about
< 1513563850 77888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to stay decloaked a bit longer just in case it comes back
< 1513563898 209772 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98df:f37d:8127:8c92:d6f:9264 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1513564013 298862 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH what the my eyes! D:
< 1513564026 858582 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you followed the link?
< 1513564037 50092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't follow links posted by spambots/trolls, in case that isn't obvious
< 1513564053 228479 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't follow the links. the colours. they are dangerous.
< 1513564063 114745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to +c the channel? I can do that
< 1513564081 628174 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a +c?
< 1513564098 934735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically removes formatting codes from messages
< 1513564100 95358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colors, etc.
< 1513564106 22406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still send them but the colors won't be there
< 1513564110 579182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful when people are abusing colors, as seen above
< 1513564118 929569 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how will we relcome new members?
< 1513564136 778844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the third channel that bot has pinged me at.
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< 1513564386 313894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's another flag that stops coloured messages from coming through entirely
< 1513564678 790742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see nothing about stopping such messages from being sent.
< 1513564763 686920 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, seems freenode doesn't have that channel mode
< 1513564792 680866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is +C which disallow some messages, but it doesn't do that, and is not very flexible either. Better might be that you can program the exceptions, as well as disallowing specific characters (any character in range 0 to 31 you can disallow if you wish; you can also disable codes 128-255 as a group).
< 1513564813 994768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :+C only blocks CTCPs
< 1513564818 706997 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which the spammer isn't using
< 1513564826 719434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it doesn't even block all CTCPs.
< 1513564837 869987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I suggested to reprogram it to be more flexible.
< 1513564845 789753 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other IRCDs that do have blocking messages if they have colour codes
< 1513564848 108594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then you can block colours too if you like to do)
< 1513564870 903370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it is, actually, it sent me a personal CTCP (not a channel CTCP) asking for my client version, no idea why
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< 1513564902 277210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an invite to a channel
< 1513564916 42284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an offensively-named one?
< 1513564918 544064 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1513564923 120609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happened to me earlier
< 1513564932 582424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my client set to not autoaccept invites but it's a fairly ingenious form of spam
< 1513564943 213390 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:56:12 [Freenode] -!- annarel129 invites you to #FreeFullisan****r9
< 1513564956 576820 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I censored it
< 1513564962 175461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look at HELP UMODE they don't mention blocking invites.
< 1513564977 584653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i FreeFullistan
< 1513565019 615253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not know if +g blocks invites)
< 1513565022 22343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That'd be a weird country
< 1513565044 727910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only got one invite, so not much of an issue
< 1513565073 990841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there is no such server setting, you can block them in the client if it becomesa problem I suppose
< 1513565152 918455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least in program I use, the /F command can be used to block anything that can be matched by a regular expression.)
< 1513565223 777626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523
< 1513565240 432429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want to stay decloaked too long, and if the bot hasn't come back yet then it's probably no more likely to hit here than anywhere else
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< 1513565454 43499 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi has regex ignores too
< 1513565470 878507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, other programs might have too
< 1513565614 123609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, /F can do stuff other than block, too; you can also program it to ring a bell, highlight the message, or log the message in another window; or any combination of these effects (which can also be combined with suppressing the message).)
< 1513566008 798175 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, oh wait you're in here
< 1513566016 988068 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd that happen
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< 1513566551 722218 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that java anonymous class stuff sounds crazy
< 1513566624 195224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes
< 1513566638 82614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we're doing at work is crazy (and somewhat proprietary), we thought that doing that might help
< 1513566641 754467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I now think it's unnecessary
< 1513566695 911856 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby does let you derive from anonymous classes
< 1513567058 100374 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, ruby is a language that in general lets you do anything, even the stupidest abstraction-breaking things
< 1513567110 502059 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can redefine builtin methods and all that
< 1513567116 202930 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great for esoprogramming
< 1513567487 976414 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: o hay
< 1513567494 486662 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: ive been here since 2007!
< 1513567509 732307 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been here for less than a year!
< 1513567512 820000 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1513567521 802130 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame shachaf 
< 1513567721 158775 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf does not like me
< 1513567916 457031 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the ol' shachaf-augur animosity rearing it ugly head!
< 1513567927 751349 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one even knows where it started b/c it's been like a decade!
< 1513567930 809861 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~mystery~
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< 1513568682 292314 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, could you have a blue spirit creature with like "When no opponent controls two or more creatures, sacrifice ~."? Because it's like a ghost that only has power if there's someone who believes in him? Or would that be a white-only ability?
< 1513568695 557660 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, is a 2/2 for {U} with that possible?
< 1513568699 594903 :wob_jonas!b03f18cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that way too strong?
< 1513568777 940936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any of those question
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< 1513573190 852027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea of a Magic: the Gathering card:  Enchanted object has all names.  (It is a bit like Spy Kit, but not only for creatures, and can be used with opponent's cards too, and possibly even spells (if it says "enchant spell or permanent" and has flash), and includes legendary names and names of non-creature cards, too.)
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< 1513584588 683779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When all conventional explanations for a phenomenon are ruled out, are able to accept paranormal ones."  I would think that in order to accept paranormal ones, you would have to define paranormal ones properly first. Furthermore, how do you know you have not missed something? It is good to consider all of the possibilities, but, you are going to miss some.
< 1513584644 183016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it is good if you do not dismiss it out of hand.
< 1513584710 912034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it?
< 1513585500 523647 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:8127:8c92:d6f:9264 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513587019 693377 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, we never know we didn't missed one
< 1513587071 908074 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, even if a conventional explanation works, we never know if it's because we're in a very specific usecase or not
< 1513587170 470747 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a few "conventional explanations" we thought to be true all the time / for all cases, only to discover they only applied to certains conditions / referentials
< 1513587218 746514 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :beside, some other explanation might have similar/close result
< 1513587228 545271 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we might not be able to see/detect/measure the difference
< 1513587249 306578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you are correct; that is happening a lot, which is why we will need the more scientific experiment in future to figure out better.
< 1513587294 305075 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, we even know there is a difference, but it's just smaller than the margin of error of our measure equipment
< 1513587306 343342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you can prove mathematically that you can't miss one (which is impossible since neither the exact law of physics nor the exact circumstances in use is perfectly known)
< 1513587310 832622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: Yes, that too.
< 1513587327 657156 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics can be true
< 1513587330 824262 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics can't
< 1513587429 606071 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you can find an irrational number as a speed/length, which is physically impossible because it has a precision smaller than the atom size
< 1513587459 716949 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so physically, Pythatogore's algorithm is false
< 1513587480 820417 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's close to reality though
< 1513587565 829435 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even for mathematics, you probably saw a case when you had 2 points you thought were the same, but later demonstrated they weren't ?
< 1513587621 110391 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't a matter of mathematics, but our pereption of the graphical representation - geometry)
< 1513587658 765015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics is difference from physical world. Scientific is not as perfect as mathematics. Even if you try to use these thing in mathematics to figure the physical world but it doesn't work because you are using the incorrect modeling and incorrect measurement and so on.
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< 1513587799 95231 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or things works in a particular usecase which we thought to be universal
< 1513587803 292233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yes, the situations are not as simple as the simplified explanations make it that I have quoted above.
< 1513587809 178612 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, einstein relativity law
< 1513587819 104542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: Yes. I think you mentioned those already; you are correct.
< 1513587846 483509 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only works in general usecase, neither in microscopic/nanoscopic referential, neither in black hole proximity referential
< 1513587893 206660 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they were only discovered years later
< 1513588002 531206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1513597684 515645 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1513597689 132639 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:violation//Violation is the act of playing an instrument in the viola family. \ relrod//A relrod is a machine useful for finding the Force. \ imagine//Imagine was the only song not interrupted after two stanzas on the opening ceremony of the 2012 London Olympic Games, a calm moment in an otherwise chaotic rush through fifty pop songs. \ 
< 1513597689 811608 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1513597690 684696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:bike//Bike is from Luxembourg. \ belgium//The plural form of "Belgium" is "Belgia".
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< 1513625726 33102 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm crap connection
< 1513625795 664223 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you prefer an Ehresmann connection
< 1513625805 817887 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DIFFERENTIAL GEOMETRY JOKE)
< 1513625815 893528 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, not ##physics
< 1513625816 831922 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-91-183.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1513626305 916403 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this channel is always in free fall
< 1513626322 421563 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but today we got some elite spam, i see
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< 1513626507 800419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to lodge a complaint regarding the spam. The initial header was all U+2584 LOWER HALF BLOCK. Alternating between that and U+2580 UPPER HALF BLOCK would have provided a much more higher-fidelity approximation of the header on channels with the +c mode set. (Saw it on ##scheme like that.)
< 1513626712 876650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An approximation of what header?
< 1513626862 249132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial 12,03▄02,09▄08,07▄02,02▄04,04▄ and so on, in the spammer's messages.
< 1513626902 735630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should've been ▄▀▄▀▄▀... without colors.
< 1513626922 555161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it was just ▄▄▄▄▄▄.
< 1513627286 583886 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the shtetl-optimized RSS feed broken for anyone else?
< 1513627310 520600 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had to check it manually since he posted that Googatory thing
< 1513627331 529484 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i already tried deleting and resubscribing)
< 1513627361 239175 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/the blog/
< 1513627551 747047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worked for me in Feedly, but I'm not exactly sure which feed that's picking up from.
< 1513627572 538231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check if that's visible somewhere in the UI when I get home.
< 1513627812 608552 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah my connection to nvg is so crappy it's awful to view the feed with less there
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< 1513628214 290396 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one addendum to buzzfizz: you can combine a modulo n counter and a modulo m counter into a single modulo (n*m) counter without any coprimality assumption; to test for 0, just test both for 0; to increment, increment the first, then increment the second if the first counter is 0.
< 1513628326 172988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the +c and +C and if I was implementing them, I will do it differently. Instead, it is one mode, that takes a 32-bit number as a parameter. Any bit which is set blocks the corresponding control character. Additionally, bit0 blocks all character codes higher than 127, bit10 blocks code 127, and bit13 may also have another use.
< 1513628355 725390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I would do is to add a new mode to set a write-password. You can join without the password, but if you enter the correct password then you are automatically voiced.
< 1513628401 360353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this please?
< 1513628489 898025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So we can simulate a Minsky-like machine with counters bounded by a fixed power of the input (for simplicity assuming that the whole input is encoded into a single number), which seems to be a good target for LBAs.
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< 1513628733 112468 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you see my discussion with ais523 yesterday? i was assuming passing an extra argument that is k^length of usable tape, although with your method that can be k^length of input instead.
< 1513628854 5843 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get a bounded turing tape via two counters like that
< 1513628958 365242 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think either method counts as proving LBA-completeness)
< 1513629017 878299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I saw parts of it, my remark was aimed at getting rid of that auxiliary constant.
< 1513629023 578672 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1513629036 704937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't mind it terribly but if we can do without, I prefer that)
< 1513629041 223554 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need something in case the input happens to have many initial zeroes.
< 1513629064 834111 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could just pass the sum of them, actually.
< 1513629073 170233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, some sort of end-of-tape marker cannot be avoided, I guess.
< 1513629073 287078 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. left pad by a 1.
< 1513629133 285567 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just needs a proof that if you can do arithmetic mod n then you can do it mod m for m<=n.
< 1513629173 791060 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where m is k^l in this case.
< 1513629176 628663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can do arithmetic mod m in brainfuck
< 1513629182 934148 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with bounded cells)
< 1513629186 773684 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1513629215 55581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was more interested in the countercall discussion anyway

< 1513629220 766760 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1513629532 648901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(clampedness is a clever notion)
< 1513629561 6911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we'd like to show that any function is either clamped or total? hmm.
< 1513629793 834352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that doesn't rule out TC-ness by itself.
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< 1513631318 734276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a concept like turing-complete that somehow ranks the fitness of a language for each purpose. like "functional-complete" would mean you dont have to bend over backward or accept slowdowns to do functional programming
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< 1513632516 852977 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we can simulate a Minsky-like machine with counters bounded by a fixed power of the input" => wait really? so you can compile at least all Chomsky-L2 languages?
< 1513632546 543697 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what's "LBA-completeness"?
< 1513632584 373849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lba
< 1513632585 653964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lba? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513632674 551669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn LBA//This channel is having a Little Big Adventure(tm) with Linear Bounded Automata in devices using Logical Block Addressing.
< 1513632676 816631 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'lba': This channel is having a Little Big Adventure(tm) with Linear Bounded Automata in devices using Logical Block Addressing.
< 1513632739 339740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes, LBAs are powerful enough to accept context-sensitive languages.
< 1513632935 910336 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "Enchanted object has all names" => hmm, have I asked you yet how you'd modify your variant rule about object names since host and augment creatures are available?
< 1513633116 686030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Not as far as I know, but host/augment are Un-cards. I have made up some optional rules for use with non-Un-cards, although it isn't the same as the Unstable host/augment.
< 1513633160 854564 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: eg. to affirm that an augmented Ninja Octopus doesn't have the same name as a two creature type Ninja Octopus token, and that there's no way to shut down an augment Steam-Powered Man with Pithing Needle.
< 1513633163 37847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you do not want to do this, there is another simple alternative that works with my variant rules about object names: The name is an ordered pair.
< 1513633272 835588 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear-bounded automata. ok.
< 1513633282 123236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not you can choose an ordered pair when asked to choose a name should be made consistent with official rules, if any.
< 1513633311 719135 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're rarely asked to choose a name. usually you're asked to choose a card name.
< 1513633342 429572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Search your library for a token named Fred. )
< 1513633408 731954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want to play with Un-cards, then you should ignore my variant rules for names anyways, which are not applicable to Un-cards.
< 1513633452 995313 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. Pithing Needle and Cranial Extraction make you choose a card name
< 1513633511 452447 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My First Tome might technically let you choose any name, but it doesn't make much sense to choose a name that isn't the name of a card
< 1513633568 34966 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____ also lets you choose any name, so I think you can make it named either Ninja Octopus the augmented permanent or Ninja Octopus the token
< 1513633657 276653 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the frack? Unhinged was printed in a language other than English too? And not just one or a few exceptional cards, but many cards?
< 1513633664 987741 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sure it was only printed in English.
< 1513633736 583755 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think ____ is restricted to wear only card names by a Maro-unruling, but I don't obey those.)
< 1513633737 652321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, I think my variant rules are not for use with Un-cards, which have their own rules for names anyways.
< 1513633791 60175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, of course, you don't have to pay any attention to this; you can make up different rules for Un-cards if everyone is agree, since in many cases no official rule helps anyways.
< 1513633816 667461 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
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< 1513634638 468207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have also written rules for last strike before Unstable was announced, and they work a bit differently than the rules for last strike in Unstable. If you are using my custom cards together with Un-cards in a Un-cards game, then you should use the rules from Unstable instead. Otherwise, I think my rules are better.)
< 1513635221 624157 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm. I'm not quite satisfied with either set of rules. Your rules imply that you can have a creature assign damage three times, the same way as it used to be possible to get a creature to assign combat damage twice by removing its first strike.
< 1513635300 314809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what do you suggest instead?
< 1513635323 405469 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: although it's not easy, because you need to have a double-striking creature that doesn't have last strike during the normal combat damage step, but has last strike during the last strike step, and there are barely any cards that let you manipulate last strike.
< 1513635336 831824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible I made a mistake in my description, and should correct it.
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< 1513635502 527814 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure. I definitely don't know a good set of rules that can support triple strike, which one Unstable card requires.
< 1513635511 997565 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that and last strike.
< 1513635519 937642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the rules I wrote do not allow you to get a creature to assign combat damage twice by removing first strike. I looked at it now and it does not say that.
< 1513635563 718695 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I know. it's only the very old M:tG rules that allowed that sort of first strike abuse.
< 1513635583 328488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My rules say that if a creature assigns damage during the first strike step, it can't assign damage during the normal strike step.
< 1513635619 599434 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but your rules introduce a similar abuse of letting a creature deal combat damage three times by manipulating double strike and last strike. It's just that that's horribly difficult because we don't have the good tools for manipulating last strike, like auras.
< 1513635731 562672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, you are right about that.
< 1513635750 31673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I see what you mean.
< 1513635767 448032 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: one data point: d : + , f : d - - - , then f is total, not clamped, but not quite always increasing.
< 1513635847 198157 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to have a Wall of Lust, and cytoshape it to a Boros Swiftblade in the ordinary combat damage step.
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< 1513635875 220897 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1513635877 143590 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards
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< 1513635894 997382 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a Boros Swiftblade, and cytoshape it to a Wall of Lust in the ordinary combat damage step
< 1513635956 559252 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wob_jonas: Yes, LBAs are powerful enough to accept context-sensitive languages. <-- precisely same class iirc
< 1513636215 176453 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 and 3 dimensional hardware parts arn't unique. Why not 4 dimensional hardware? :)
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< 1513636255 866187 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :slhelloffy
< 1513636490 982395 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: do you count time as a dimension?
< 1513636507 340207 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1513637134 869432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, precisely the same for decision problems
< 1513637201 485341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "LBA" imply that?
< 1513637217 444909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should probably hunt down a formal definition.

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< 1513638760 953806 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm wikipedia says LBAs can be nondeterministic.
< 1513638801 77686 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not known whether that's more powerful.
< 1513638876 916592 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to say anything about function problems.
< 1513639066 465077 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? really?
< 1513639078 379933 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was known they're eqivalent and pretty easy to prove
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< 1513639111 917659 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're non-deterministic by default, but that doesn't add anything new
< 1513639194 444820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the usual proof squares the required space, which works great for NPSPACE = DPSPACE, but not so well with a linear space bound.
< 1513639231 897433 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm.
< 1513639369 367639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitch%27s_theorem (I had forgotten the name)
< 1513639452 737985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bed calls
< 1513639811 397105 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is bed's phone number?
< 1513639852 993298 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: doesn't have one. calling from a public payphone.
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< 1513642536 155926 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aibg
< 1513642537 315707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aibg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513642541 524900 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1513642542 570024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1513642547 336436 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math
< 1513642548 354381 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
< 1513642550 426617 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: food
< 1513642551 618640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, and cognac.
< 1513642598 471510 :wob_jonas!b03f1882@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't curry's paradox in the food section?
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< 1513643524 420670 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, someone asked about a invention. Go answer it.
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< 1513655585 955784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a existing program that will strip out pages from a DVI file that match pages from another file? If not, then I can write such program
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< 1513655856 133027 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know of no such utility. 
< 1513655871 61844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever wanted to have such a utility?
< 1513655934 359353 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I've wanted to play with dvi files before
< 1513655974 182168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a program to render DVI to PBM (for use with programs such as foo2zjs)
< 1513656056 363640 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: depending on the specifics you may have better luck playing with pdf files
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< 1513657160 908107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is such a program for PDF, I don't know. If there isn't one for DVI then I should write that program, I think, though.
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< 1513681810 461382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I don't think I wanted that. I have used the dviselect dviconcat dvitodvi programs (from the texlive distr) to separate specific pages from a dvi and append them to a new dvi file.
< 1513681828 60130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for that, I gave the page numbers explicitly.
> 1513682438 428911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AAEEEEEEEEEI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53635 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+5416) 10created the page
< 1513682472 287041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that will help with those things, at least. Still, at least the program I described is something I wanted, so if I write such program then at least I might use.
< 1513682594 922164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think Knuth's cweb description of TeX specify the DVI format, so you might want to read that along with these programs.
< 1513682612 715545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you'd have to compare pages, and I don't think anyone's implemented that.
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< 1513682641 722644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented programs that read DVI format before, so I do know how it works.
< 1513682715 990795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some ideas about how to compare pages.
< 1513683209 814497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, not quite all of the ideas yet.)
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< 1513707043 419082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski
< 1513707044 540877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski".
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< 1513707123 592857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom teeth
< 1513707124 862002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise.
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> 1513709488 780839 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TinCan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53636&oldid=21235 5* 03Dehodson 5* (+48) 10Add link to Try It Online
> 1513709511 357671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TinCan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53637&oldid=53636 5* 03Dehodson 5* (+16) 10/* External resources */
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< 1513710062 598564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I didn't expect QC and GG to ever come this close. "The voice".
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< 1513710363 107376 :PocketSpaghetti!68adc259@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.173.194.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1513710386 180319 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome PocketSpaghetti
< 1513710387 368917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PocketSpaghetti: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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< 1513711711 672842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? trigak
< 1513711712 770505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigak? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513711757 796898 :PocketSpaghetti!68adc259@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.173.194.89 PART :#esoteric
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< 1513716703 78196 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping
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< 1513717033 636789 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has bought his traditional nutella balls for christmas

< 1513717078 11272 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I have a stupid question?
< 1513717085 148732 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I already had one. Ok.
< 1513717140 767255 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have another one if you must
< 1513717144 43778 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nutella
< 1513717145 46661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutella? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513717216 192000 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn nutella//Nutella is a nutty substance. Taneb invented it for use in his automatic squirrel feeders.
< 1513717218 219100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'nutella//nutella': nutella//Nutella is a nutty substance. Taneb invented it for use in his automatic squirrel feeders.
< 1513717252 312155 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions: food//mushrooms//mushrooms, nutella/
< 1513717253 166282 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `m'
< 1513717262 618367 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions: food//s/mushrooms//mushrooms, nutella/
< 1513717263 454153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 15: unknown option to `s'
< 1513717271 377323 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1513717277 461215 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions: food//s/mushrooms/mushrooms, nutella/
< 1513717279 333447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: food//Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, nutella, and cognac.
< 1513717294 266466 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind is going, i can feel it.
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< 1513717381 425087 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a dane
< 1513717391 370225 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :critically stoned, by the looks of it
< 1513717466 193682 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, cryptography stuff, I want to understand in theory how to choose what size of hash function. Simplest case: if I compute 2**n hashes (even of inputs an adversary chooses), and want less than 2**-s probability that an attacker can compute a preimage of any of them, and the attacker can compute 2**T hash values on each of 2**P parallel processors
< 1513717466 282000 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, then I need a hash output of at least T+P+n+s bits, right?
< 1513717508 6515 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sidles away

< 1513717543 503356 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if instead, I want to make sure that the attacker can't find a collision in the hash on arbitrary data he supplies, then instead I need at least 2*T+2*P+s bits, right?
< 1513717644 228768 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if the attacker has a really good quantum computer that can also compute 2**T hash values on each of 2**P parallel processors, then for a preimage attack, I need a hash output of at least 2*T+P+n+s bits, right?
< 1513717666 721710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( find the outlier http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/puzzles.jpg )
< 1513717726 313441 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the question is, how many bits do I need to avoid a collision against an adversary with a good quantum computer? It must be between 3*T+P+s and 3*T+3*P+s, but what exactly is the factor of the P?
< 1513717766 85591 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the size 4 snake cube (I guess that's what it is) on the left hand side. that's not a permutation puzzle.
< 1513717777 814871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a snake one
< 1513717796 638286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one that I've only solved once, actually... with the help of a computer program
< 1513717817 512209 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say that I haven't solved it :)
< 1513717819 586878 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's almost all big cubes by the way, strange. don't you have more copies of smaller sizes?
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< 1513717883 357364 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, maybe not almost all big cubes
< 1513717884 903837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess I have two more 3x3x3 cubes around, but not on that shelf
< 1513717896 712024 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does have two 3x3x3, and two megaminx
< 1513717900 790664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I skipped size 7
< 1513717901 478930 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should buy some more cubes too
< 1513717909 719803 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small cubes
< 1513717929 818109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And going above 8 is probably not going to be interesting to me.
< 1513717934 423470 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should buy a better 3x3x3 or two, and a 2x2x2 probably
< 1513717972 220855 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't even care much about the 5x5x5, but I know that some people like bigger cubes
< 1513717991 867221 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving centers is kind of fun
< 1513718028 483604 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, my problem with cubes is that there's so little decent written material about it. Apparently everyone only makes useless video tutorials on youtube. I'd like proper written explanations about what people do.
< 1513718039 852414 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, descriptions of various methods.
< 1513718069 54663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all intuitive ;-)
< 1513718070 67560 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast computers have ruined the cube.
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< 1513718912 341963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The reason that there are only few descriptions may well be that to a large extent the methods for the 4x4x4 cube generalize to arbitrary sizes.
< 1513718957 572635 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but there are already too few descriptions for the 4x4x4
< 1513718965 886390 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn the 4x4x4, and it's for that that I don't find enough descriptions
< 1513719170 419145 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the written descriptions, my only problem is that this stupid English-based FB LR UD notation got spread. Even if you insist on English, all consonants like NF LR TB would work better, but I'm partial to the Hungarian ST NK FL.
< 1513719323 256619 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even this way, a written description is better than those stupid video tutorials.
< 1513719664 36191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4-solution.html looks okay for a start.
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< 1513719750 53404 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e thanks I'll look at it
< 1513719838 348233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I think the first two steps, centers and edges, are intuitive enough... fixing the parity problems in the last step is what requires additional algorithms. (And I've noticed in videos that top speedcubers seem to do something a bit different there, but I haven't figured out their trick.)
< 1513719912 147933 :ilbelkyr!ilbelkyr@freenode/staff/atheme.ilbelkyr PART :#esoteric
< 1513720373 142974 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, if you want to fix the 2 bits of parity in the end, then I do know more or less how to do the centers, although I'm doing them with a somewhat slow algorithm and might want a faster one.
< 1513720413 610568 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would like to know a better way to pair the edges, and at least good ways to fix both parities, possibly also ways to keep the parity from earlier
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< 1513720743 856029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fixing the edge flip the moment I finish the first two layers of the 3x3x3 cube.
< 1513720808 620216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway I'm not really aiming to be fast... and if I were I would probably be working on the 3x3x3 last layer.
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< 1513721027 126252 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that sounds like a reasonable strategy. how about the permutation?
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< 1513721421 887021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas Swapping edges? I do that last, I don't know how to get any advantage out of doing it earlier.
< 1513721421 933564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1513721512 291605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great timing.
< 1513721537 993973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: (lambdabot has a message for you)
< 1513721566 372687 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I crashed my computer
< 1513721568 173593 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1513721669 455225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the point is that miraculously, the combination I have for flipping an edge, if one turns half of the cube instead of just the inner slices, only messes up the top layer; trying the same "optimization" for the swap of two opposite edges would mess up edges and centers on the sides.
< 1513721740 683332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm also bad at spotting the parity mismatch in the piece permutations, while spotting an extra flipped edge is trivial.
< 1513721759 478997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the last layer)
< 1513721905 224435 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah
< 1513722037 245761 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so at what stage do you fix the 3x3x3 permutation, and if you have to fix it, how much do you have to redo?
< 1513722102 148497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you mean by 3x3x3 permutation
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< 1513722203 106860 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I take it you're solving a 4x4x4 this way: first solve all centers, then pair each 12 pairs of edges, then start solving the cube as if it was a 3x3x3, with a 3x3x3 algorithm turning only faces.
< 1513722210 294750 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have centers, edges, f2l, optional edge flip, last layer (slow), optional edge swap, so the piece permutation parity is fixed last
< 1513722256 734243 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do that, there are two things that can go wrong: the edge flip parity of the 3x3x3 can be wrong, so you have to flip an edge, or the permutation parity of the 3x3x3 can be wrong, so you have to fix that.
< 1513722296 400014 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. So the optional edge swap is the very last swap and it changes nothing else than the edge swap. Ok.
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< 1513722787 189320 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes wob_jonas used the correct preposition with "remind" in an iwc forum message

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< 1513722821 788613 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I learn slowly
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< 1513722874 813429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, early start tomorrow, good night
< 1513722914 912656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, I seem to always use "oh well" before saying "good night". Oh well, that can't be helped. :-P)
< 1513723007 189812 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Oh well, he said, as he feel into it )
< 1513723016 356479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fell
< 1513723030 337650 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? muphry
< 1513723031 572795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muphry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1513723036 435539 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom muphry
< 1513723037 690521 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​muphrys law//Mumphrie's Law says things will be misspelled at the worst possible moment.
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< 1513723151 504098 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/chesterton/gk/man_who_knew_too_much/chapter6.html hth
< 1513723166 649012 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I read that last night)
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< 1513723595 512194 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh wow, that's a very old web page (on the 4x4x4 description). that really proves that youtube ruined everything.
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< 1513724866 353259 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so what I asked is at least not a trivial question => https://blog.cr.yp.to/20171017-collisions.html
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< 1513729431 503914 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1513729434 72275 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1513729434 326319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 200000Z 26012G18KT 15SM FEW030 BKN042 03/00 A2952 RMK SC1SC6 SLP001
< 1513729437 658163 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL
< 1513729437 838285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 192352Z 29003KT 10SM -RA BKN020 BKN060 OVC110 16/14 A3014 RMK AO2 RAB51 SLP208 P0000 60000 T01560139 10172 20150 55002
< 1513729447 591753 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16!%!%??!?!???%&?&(%?&@???@@@@@!!!!!!!!
< 1513729566 959722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1513729567 197571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 200020Z AUTO 28003KT 7000 BKN004 OVC010 07/06 Q1035 BECMG 4000 BR
< 1513729571 991717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's night now.
< 1513729578 957852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're saying double digits for the holidays.
< 1513729608 320730 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnyeh :P
< 1513729618 542003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it's cow weather back "home".
< 1513729619 741603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1513729619 934561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 200020Z 22008KT 9000 -SG BKN003 M00/M00 Q1027 TEMPO 4000
< 1513729630 957571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rare double cow.
< 1513729698 774749 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sign!
< 1513730117 820110 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:f91e:94f9:5e23:e251 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1513730133 97138 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome MrBismuth 
< 1513730134 357438 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04MrBismuth: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.)
< 1513730319 392347 :MrBusiness!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:1426:998c:b44b:81fb QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1513730466 429920 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1513730705 162418 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:f91e:94f9:5e23:e251 QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel
< 1513731077 190181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it brings on many changes
< 1513731092 961604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can take or leave it if i choose
< 1513731115 604479 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fc18:f47d:9497:95c9 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1513733044 807512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1513733057 376393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing: it's hard.
< 1513733090 789512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say a "Vegi bot" from someone's SEO company is crawling the wiki and little confused about how URIs work.
< 1513733113 516816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just tried to fetch "/irc://...", for example.
< 1513733138 223245 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's not _too_ unreasonable actually
< 1513733164 498761 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: given how often people put incorrect links in informal writings that require a bit of creativity to interpret
< 1513733181 412265 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a search engine it makes sense to speculatively try to modify a link in case a modified version works
< 1513733195 521924 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you know, trying to remove some punctuation mark from the end
< 1513733284 41108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, not quite sure where we even have an irc:// link, the one on [[Esolang:Community portal]] is a regular HTTP link to webchat.freenode.net.
< 1513733409 29582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an earlier crawler which crawled every non-main-namespace page something like 16 times if not more, because it was trying to access something like "/wiki/Esolangs%3AFoo", for which Mediawiki sends a 302 to "/wiki/Esolangs:Foo" (I guess to make the location bar look nicer), but then something inside the crawler re-encoded the : back to %3A before following it.
< 1513733443 267857 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, I remember you said that.
< 1513733481 635945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what seoagency.com even does with their own crawler.
< 1513733523 605337 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell a specific url with that irc thing in it?
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< 1513733580 656427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tried three: /irc://irc.freenode.org/esoteric /irc://irc.afternet.org/linc /irc://freenode/DDR,isnick
< 1513733622 17942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it used www.esolangs.org for every single request, which just redirect to the non-www. one.)
< 1513733692 973190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.webmasterworld.com/search_engine_spiders/4817453.htm "Despite the proclamation "we follow your robots.txt before crawling" they did not even request robots.txt."
< 1513733695 894871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet is a noisy place.
< 1513733749 285374 :wob_jonas!b03f18f9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's hard to tell. they might have requested robots.txt from another host.
< 1513733780 170171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible. They didn't include the user agent in the request, at least.
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< 1513742180 300683 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1513744232 263261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saw the typo "12nd" on a link (used as an ordinal number) and mentally corrected it to "tweldest"

< 1513744247 392826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I realised that that didn't make sense either, although I knew what it meant
< 1513744253 546868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably the correct correction was "12th")
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< 1513759012 442051 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what era did anyone introduce themselves with "wa ga na wa"
< 1513759039 282987 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love VLC. Its icon changes to a a christmas hat during this time of year 
< 1513759070 177494 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: wait what
< 1513759087 867734 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/csikqo16g4pxp7r/Screenshot%202017-12-20%2000.38.04.png?dl=0
< 1513759096 632389 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit you're right I just checked
< 1513759112 927158 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :its been doing this for years
< 1513759114 810334 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :still love it
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< 1513759815 146163 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-146-060-045-173.146.060.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: upgrading
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< 1513761992 895234 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly Q: is it possible to non-deterministic but turing complete?
< 1513762020 222690 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there some version of turing completeness defined for non-deterimistic processes 
< 1513762037 842779 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: I'm not talking abut a NDTM
< 1513762052 915088 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... was just about to mention NDTMs
< 1513762063 791960 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What precisely do you mean by non-deterministic?
< 1513762081 777357 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :a transition between states decided by a random value
< 1513762105 158022 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an action to the tape decided by a random value
< 1513762122 915599 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Whenever, maybe?
< 1513762135 289376 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probabilistic_Turing_machine
< 1513762141 305832 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what I'm looking for
< 1513762153 435927 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the transition table contains a propability function 
< 1513762173 983155 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of guessed that
< 1513762181 207425 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I wasn't sure how we'd defined acceptance 
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< 1513762585 135935 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: unrelated - I forgot about whenever
< 1513762585 443588 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really wanted to write a language like it
< 1513762587 53195 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1513762617 503955 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :may just fork it
< 1513762760 47401 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember the two cakes rule
< 1513762783 304199 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :While you might see this amazing esolang that somebody else made that you think is way better than yours
< 1513762803 645852 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :An audience will look at your esolang, and look at the other esolang, and say "Wow! Two esolangs!"
< 1513762891 471765 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1513767189 376521 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (((a -> b) -> v) -> v) -> ((a -> v) -> v) -> (b -> v) -> v
< 1513767189 465995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c = b (\ d -> a (\ e -> c (e d)))
< 1513767342 452739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. pl djinn (((a -> b) -> v) -> v) -> ((a -> v) -> v) -> (b -> v) -> v
< 1513767342 548813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = flip (.) . (. ((. flip id) . (.))) . (.)
< 1513767374 237064 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing how easy it is to make lambdabot flip out
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< 1513769239 5821 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip id
< 1513769240 667224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> (b -> c) -> c
< 1513769261 87289 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>>) . (. ((. (&)) . (.))) . (.)
< 1513769262 484281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((a -> b) -> c1) -> c2) -> ((a -> c2) -> c3) -> (b -> c1) -> c3
< 1513769298 359007 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does this suggest a type-changing continuation indexed applicative?
< 1513769741 153505 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> (b -> j) -> k) -> ((a -> i) -> j) -> (b -> i) -> k
< 1513769741 242048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized.
< 1513769754 328281 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so we can't make it into a monad quite
< 1513769764 396417 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> (b -> i) -> i) -> ((a -> i) -> i) -> (b -> i) -> i
< 1513769764 443100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a b c = b (\ d -> a d c)
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< 1513769775 172923 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :@. type djinn (a -> (b -> i) -> i) -> ((a -> i) -> i) -> (b -> i) -> i
< 1513769777 79201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error:
< 1513769777 125692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    parse error on input ‘=’
< 1513769777 125730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you need a 'let' in a 'do' block?
< 1513769787 579061 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \a b c -> b (\d -> a d c)
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< 1513769789 148392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t1 -> t2 -> t3) -> ((t1 -> t3) -> t4) -> t2 -> t4
< 1513770299 685438 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle.
< 1513770326 441557 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoily
< 1513770347 913588 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, conclusion: there is a continuation indexed applicative but not monad
< 1513770713 581018 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nezt question is, is such a thing useful?
< 1513770759 687955 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, https://gist.github.com/pthariensflame/5716594 has the monad instance I was looking for
< 1513770763 597377 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't djinn find it?
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< 1513777095 897763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think I somehow got an error message in swedish from a program somehow. Strange bug.
< 1513777123 726509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I closed the window too quickly so I'm not quite sure. I'm trying to reproduce it.
< 1513777172 321198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also was encoded wrong for the terminal.)
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< 1513786078 106111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah you're back
< 1513786204 819695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've been thinking and reading a bit more about this cryptography thing, and it's even more complicated than I thought
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< 1513805795 975221 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ping
< 1513805835 357686 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh
< 1513805837 194783 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
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< 1513806029 639504 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to find a counterexample to int-e's conjecture that countercall functions are either clamped or total, but had a bit of a brain fart

< 1513806159 727345 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _do_ seem to find some functions that aren't clamped but don't grow uniformly
< 1513806182 699059 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like f : -3 g 6; g : -6 f 3
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< 1513806347 501034 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like that works with multiplying it by a constant too
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< 1513806895 584833 :wob_jonas!b03f1805@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ran into the limitation of FAT32 that it doesn't store files larger than 4 gigabytes. I was trying to copy a large archive to an SD card. I'm recreating the archive split to one gigabyte sized volumes now. Good thing that option still exists, remaining from the days of floppy disks.
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< 1513807436 833577 :wob_jonas!b03f1805@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Intercal is mainstream enough that even Donald Knuth has published a program written in it.
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< 1513807929 300200 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i vaguely recall knuth was somehow the impetus to ais523 and esr merging their c-intercal implementations.
< 1513807971 350975 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that. i said it was vague.
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< 1513808067 232629 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome
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< 1513808384 243147 :wob_jonas!b03f1805@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see
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< 1513808694 486046 :wob_jonas!b03f1805@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, Donald Knuth is awesome. His books are probably an important factor in why I like software stuff so much.
< 1513808732 539213 :wob_jonas!b03f1805@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, when I was young, they were the most awesome books in the school library, so I tried to read them a lot. Obviously there's a lot that I didn't understand in them.
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< 1513810416 75354 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how's life in northland?
< 1513810419 82883 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saw someone named "Kim Jong-hyun" in wikipedia's recent deaths list, and thought "so did he kill another family member?" but it turned out it was some completely unrelated south korean.

< 1513810469 520957 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i've bought my traditional nutella balls for christmas
< 1513810531 238295 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the snow has mostly rained away again
< 1513810649 149783 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infamous nutella balls strike again I see.
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< 1513814598 916022 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's a famous pop singer
< 1513814982 31921 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ヘ＼＼オレン＼＿！
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< 1513843723 218021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
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< 1513861299 202733 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there proofs for the halting problem that don't rely on I/O?
< 1513861343 402517 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`if H(P) then endless_loop(); else halt();` usually assumes that H is an external "machine/program" you invoke
< 1513861344 205472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `P' \ bash: -c: line 0: `if H(P) then endless_loop(); else halt();` usually assumes that H is an external "machine/program" you invoke'
< 1513861350 692411 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's I/O.
< 1513861364 277013 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you disallow I/O then P would have to contain H
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< 1513861521 633601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: H should be inlined. And in any case the proofs rely on interpreters, because you cannot pass programs around, only descriptions of programs.
< 1513861554 536837 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then this means that P knows what H is
< 1513861557 649944 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it can't inline it.
< 1513861562 146207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe
< 1513861562 753419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 tablespoon of the whipped cream into the pan in lightly floured \  get and deep flour and including for 1 hour. Top with side of \  the sugar, chopped fresh chop more. \   \  Recipe By : Low-Bobbie Cooking \   \ MMMMM \   \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \   \  Title: ICE ENCION COOKIES \  Categories: Desserts, Germanaus \  Yield: 4
< 1513861583 420023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chop freshed chop more!
< 1513861591 453508 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the program would contain its own "halting function"
< 1513861679 806732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: So what you really do is write a program P'(h,p) = if H(eval(p(h,p))) then endless_loop else halt; And then look at P'([H],[P']), where [_] is the description of the program inside the brackets.
< 1513861703 22384 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eval is the interpreter, and the p(h,p) inside there is actually a kind of substitution.
< 1513861720 697177 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but where is H
< 1513861734 998294 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :H is assumed to exist, so you know its description.
< 1513861752 829403 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you pass the halting program to P'
< 1513861776 644088 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what's small h
< 1513861780 536476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :P' knows what H is. P' doesn't know what P is, but it will be told what P' is and can then reconstruct P from P' and H.
< 1513861785 789988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run it.
< 1513861806 691499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small h is a parameter that will be replaced by [H].
< 1513861814 151750 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :wNom nom nom
< 1513861816 248295 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :-w
< 1513861839 583482 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this again assumes that you can actually call H within P.
< 1513861840 265888 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But actually the h [H] part isn't needed
< 1513861849 953350 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or P'
< 1513861869 876371 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could define P'(p) = if H(eval(p(p))) then loop else halt.
< 1513861880 164063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is to then consider P'([P']).
< 1513861978 875899 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense either
< 1513861984 491227 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing a parameter then.
< 1513862009 785302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the p(p) inside is still cheating with notation, it's an operation that takes p to be a description of a program P(x) with a single parameter, and replaces x by a description of the value p, syntactically.)
< 1513862048 356971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result is a description of a program that behaves like P(p).
< 1513862090 126436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which will end up being P'([P']), I'm afraid I'm not explaining this very well.
< 1513862124 22852 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that there's a program H that can determine whether P halts or not but P doesn't know H.
< 1513862127 935579 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, in rthe if H(P) then loop else halt, H is never the problem.
< 1513862137 872310 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and P can't communicate with H (H being a seperate program)
< 1513862145 211907 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P is essentially I/O-free.
< 1513862166 878940 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, in "if H(P) then loop else halt", H is never the problem. It's the reference of P to itself which you need to escape.
< 1513862173 885234 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H takes the source code of P (or some representation of P)
< 1513862191 403440 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for practical reason I'll refer to that as source code of P :D
< 1513862214 718642 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so P can't call H unless P contains H 
< 1513862227 316916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: btw this isn't anything unusual. The trick here is essentially the same as that for writing quines.
< 1513862229 475273 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means P would have to know what Hlooks like.
< 1513862257 786688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than having P store its full source code, it stores about half of it, and reconstructs the full source code from that.
< 1513862276 402619 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's certainly possible to feed yourself to print
< 1513862280 239277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The half that is being stored is [P'].
< 1513862282 941119 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :== that's a quine
< 1513862294 433521 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can only feed yourself to H if you know what H is
< 1513862297 299670 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to include H
< 1513862302 995622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you do include H
< 1513862304 946259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :P isn'
< 1513862309 987110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t uniform.
< 1513862323 536366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in H)
< 1513862341 24676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why you think that including H is problematic.
< 1513862363 717428 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this makes the assumption that H actually exists.
< 1513862372 41315 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1513862385 284003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You assume that H exists, then you make a program that H cannot decide the halting problem for.
< 1513862416 242735 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I assume that an external H exists
< 1513862422 416767 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the assumption is wrong. End of story.
< 1513862424 993964 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know whether P can actually construt H itself.
< 1513862453 62865 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe H is infinitely large
< 1513862457 524753 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will terminate in a finite number of steps
< 1513862486 73718 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make it really hard for P to construct H
< 1513862514 645242 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if P is infinitely large you can't really include it in P
< 1513862522 118001 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can reduce it to a finitely large representation
< 1513862559 68086 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to be able to use this as a proof
< 1513862564 770185 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to proof first that P can include H.
< 1513862574 161752 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if that is impossible to begin with
< 1513862586 271426 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make arguments based on the assumption that P can include H and then call H
< 1513862602 370088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you /can/ make a description of H a parameter of P, which I mostly did when I wrote (almost) "P'(h,p) = if eval(h(p(h,p))) then loop else halt" By partial substitution you can make P(h) = if eval(h(P'(h,[P'])) then halt alse loop", so that's a program for which, H cannot decide termination of P([H]).
< 1513862623 725289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's really proving more than the halting problem entails.
< 1513862648 7734 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also assuming P is parameterless
< 1513862649 72960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "H is infinitely large" then it's not a Turing machine.
< 1513862652 389973 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because paremeters are basically I/O
< 1513862656 334045 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot disprove the existence of oracles.
< 1513862657 89307 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parameters
< 1513862666 576509 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but turing machines have infinite memory?
< 1513862678 183638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbounded.
< 1513862699 333357 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could fit an infinitely large program in there and then my turing machine interprets that program
< 1513862699 421992 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :every TM configuration is finite
< 1513862705 348023 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1513862706 481093 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1513862709 288250 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that.
< 1513862776 177735 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the initial state of a TM is finite
< 1513862795 740421 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least has a finite representation
< 1513862806 436080 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arguably in BF the inital state is an infinite amount of zeroes)
< 1513862812 334935 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not really a finite initial state then)
< 1513862965 356134 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quines aren't exactly turing machines either?
< 1513862992 469082 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof is essentially that for a turing machine T(x) = y an input i exists such that T(i) = i
< 1513863003 50811 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that T has a fix point.
< 1513863016 173849 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixed point
< 1513863021 828543 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or specifically that it has at least one fixed point.
< 1513863047 503770 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the common trick here is called "diagonalization".
< 1513863070 989843 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if P contains both itself and H 
< 1513863075 600051 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a fixed point as well?
< 1513863111 58204 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a program that contains its own halting program
< 1513863170 101168 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can only do that if H exists.
< 1513863175 473363 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if H doesn't exist then it can't contain H
< 1513863181 29572 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what I struggle with
< 1513863187 666092 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like an impossible circular argument.
< 1513863256 870662 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program doesn't contain itself, just a description of something that behaves like itself.
< 1513863335 189448 :Guest45071!~arcade_dr@telg.xyz NICK :^arcade_droid
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< 1513863364 121386 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text$ap(++)show"> text$ap(++)show"
< 1513863366 347701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text$ap(++)show"> text$ap(++)show"
< 1513863453 904946 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume a halting program H exists that can answer whether P halts or not (P being a SPECIFIC program).
< 1513863479 384886 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the argument `P = if H(P) then loop() else halt` to work P needs to contain itself and it needs to contain its halting program (in whatever form)
< 1513863481 155210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "> text$ap(++)show" isn't even the program itself; it's missing a constant. the ap(++)show  does the substitution (degenerated; it appends the string to the partial program); that is the description of the program itself. And for the halting problem, you'd pass something like that to H.)
< 1513863549 442110 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output of H for every other program other than P is nonsense
< 1513863563 656222 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or undetermined)
< 1513863571 577293 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, H isn't defined on programs other than P
< 1513863582 265127 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think in english this is called the domain of H)
< 1513863602 454153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any specific program P, one of the two TMs that always reject or always accept will decide the halting problem for P.
< 1513863617 980213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs

< 1513863656 631519 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand if for every P an H exists that answers whether P halts or not
< 1513863685 172453 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The halting problem is the problem of finding a program H such that for any program P, H accepts [P] if and only if P halts.
< 1513863764 202901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I just answered that question. Yes, but not in any interesting way, because unless we already know whether P terminates of not, we don't know which of the two candidates for H is the right one.
< 1513863830 65635 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how would P know then which H to include?
< 1513863859 53765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I was under the impression that we were discussing the halting problem. Now that I've figured out that we're not doing that I'm no longer interested.
< 1513863865 424245 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
> 1513863887 72477 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:B jonas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53643&oldid=53639 5* 03B jonas 5* (-26) 10
< 1513863906 783280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even understand what the question is anymore.
< 1513863927 475165 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accept the proof for the halting problem based on the assumption that P can communicate with H over some form of I/O.
< 1513863940 731109 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the proof holds if P can't do that.
< 1513863996 126992 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this way P doesn't need to know what H actually is.
< 1513863999 603546 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P can treat H as a black box.
< 1513864002 427923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you're wrong. And I think you have a wrong statement of the halting problem in mind. I don't know what that statement is.
< 1513864099 785855 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if P can't communicate with H it could only do that if P contains a copy of H but if P contains a copy of H it inherently needs to know what H actually is.
< 1513864124 464574 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since your proof essentially says that H can't exist
< 1513864137 943342 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what I take is what the proof is saying
< 1513864141 372105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a proof by contradiction.
< 1513864152 684818 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P can't possible ever embed H to begin with
< 1513864162 857799 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the argument based on the assumption that P can actually embed H invalid.
< 1513864181 26350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it's not, it's negation introduction, so even intuitionistically you should not have any complaints.)
< 1513864182 355746 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H doesn't exist if and only if P can embed H.
< 1513864202 420273 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if P can embed H, then H must exist.
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< 1513864225 278271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose H exists. Then there would be a program P such that H gets termination of P wrong. Hence H doesn't exist.
< 1513864299 785408 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially I'm saying the program you construct to proof the non-existence can itself not exist.
< 1513864330 734394 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're given a program P.
< 1513864342 850300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the programs "P" in that proof are necessarily hypothetical, though they can be obtained by making a description of H a parameter of P. But whatever you ultimately pass to H in order to obtain a contradiction will contain H or a description of H.
< 1513864371 557532 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the P that was given to you you write a program that answers whether P halts or not (without prior knowledge about whether P halts or not)
< 1513864372 227095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: If you fix P you're discussing something entirely different from the halting problem.
< 1513864387 432093 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: apparentely :)
< 1513864391 517837 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1513864404 787876 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just thought of a nice Project

< 1513864413 595792 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :A figlet/toilet Reverser
< 1513864420 959177 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :That decomposes Text on IRC or similar
< 1513864433 761922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :banner is traditional :P
< 1513864441 149926 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Font-Auto-Detection
> 1513864444 151334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BuzzFizz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53644&oldid=53634 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */
< 1513864444 205600 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, banner too
< 1513864480 205875 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could hack some OCR-Software to convert Letters back to Pixels
< 1513864500 894695 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1513864530 976203 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just render the Font and then use a stock OCR
< 1513864551 217150 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :So quite simple, not _that_ interesting Project  😉
< 1513864564 743403 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah I guess I need to reformulate that properly
< 1513864575 677242 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so knowledged people actually know what I'm talking about :D
< 1513864582 134203 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: or just start feeding parameters and strings of increasing length to $program
< 1513864618 5227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'll need some lenience because of kerning and the like, but it seems to me that this stupid approach should be good enough anyway)
< 1513864637 490480 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lol, good Brute-Force-Idea
< 1513864716 620392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact guessing the right font may well be the hardest part for this reversal
< 1513864971 370420 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://codepad.org/uKMXVOaJ
< 1513864976 677622 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the two cases I was talking about.
< 1513865042 263021 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can Q exist?
< 1513865084 998844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it doesn't. Q is entirely hypothetical, based on the assumption that H exists.
< 1513865119 848528 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if Q doesn't exist
< 1513865125 970458 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you construct it to proof that H doesn't exist?
< 1513865170 87430 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: This is like the largest prime. If 2 = p_1 < p_2 < ... < p_n is a complete list of primes, then p_1*...*p_n+1 is not divisible by any (other) prime, hence must be prime as well, a contradiction. So there is no such complete list of primes.
< 1513865186 3260 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's a traditional proof by contradiction
< 1513865192 870101 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sqrt(2) being not a rational number.
< 1513865204 314108 :mroman!a055e873@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are entirely different.
< 1513865207 44616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it turns out that in most cases, p_1*...*p_n+1 for a prefix of the list of primes is not actually prime but divisible by some other prime...
< 1513865267 933817 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., 2*3*5*7*11*13+1 = 59*509
< 1513865335 707791 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the fact that under the hypothesis that 2,3,5,7,11,13 contains all primes, it would be prime. Ex falso quod libet.
< 1513865355 27099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, single word?
< 1513865359 836661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should stay away from latin.

< 1513865375 608684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095804354
< 1513865521 511581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: and for part 1), the trouble is that by the law of excluded middle, P either terminates (and then H exists), or P doesn't terminate (and H exists). So classically, H exists. Constructively, you're back in halting problem territory, because without further information on P, you need a /uniform/ construction for H that works for all possible P.
< 1513865639 870843 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such a construction can be performed by a Turing Machine, and the result can be evaluated using a universal TM (vulgo interpreter))
< 1513865708 22883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll readily admit that this is all rather subtle and full of pitfalls. I can't even promise that I'm avoiding all of them successfully, but I'm trying. :)
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< 1513866736 465506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
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< 1513866739 510067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02nuntcoin 06blintercoin 13obstocoin 04coborcoin 07micrcoin 08lndcoin 09crabicoin 02sholdcoin 06eldcoin 13brycoin 04mirecoin 07redchcoin 08trainccoin 09omercoin 02codecoin 06mdccoin 13djousioncoin 04q-balcoin 07surfcoin 08osseacoin
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< 1513867072 937254 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :[05:54:40]  	One could hack some OCR-Software to convert Letters back to Pixels
< 1513867101 970611 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/reverseocr
< 1513867115 568330 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft
< 1513867128 847692 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ?
< 1513867167 527884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: maybe I shouldn't laugh. undoing this kind of OCR could be quite tricky: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ocr.png
< 1513867170 91518 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what happens if I take your derivative. Do you become 'e'? or int-int-e? or something else ? 
< 1513867176 681996 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(original above, OCR below)
< 1513867186 912939 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol true
< 1513867202 85080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Sorry, but I'm discrete.
< 1513867301 984989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: nice feed, though not quite as tautological as I expected.
< 1513867335 662643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fonts
< 1513867336 529205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font
< 1513867356 231797 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :my IRC client displays images inline
< 1513867361 159519 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was um.... fun to see
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< 1513875462 756797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it possible to improve the OCR by cropping pictures of each individual letter and then specifying what letters they are, and see if that improve them?
< 1513875634 611482 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-259-23.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1513875643 177448 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-259-23.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know what letter they are why do you need to OCR them
< 1513875670 754503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid having to retype the entire document, so that you only have to retype a part of it.
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< 1513892116 783319 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that halting problem discussion was painful to read )
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< 1513900105 981999 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this may have some of the same flavor as those arguments people have over cantor's theorem for real numbers...
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< 1513905173 462546 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia QUINTHELLOPIA. the eagle is in the nest. the porcupine is in the lair. the turtle is moving. the beer is on its way.
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< 1513949491 699980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how in windows cmd, if your pwd is "d:\foo" and you want to change it to "D:\foo", then "cd/d D:\foo" won't work, but changing to a different directory and back like "cd/d D:\ & cd/d D:\foo" will work.
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< 1513954486 428014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No idea why I bothered.)
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< 1513964730 624954 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-259-23.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :your name is an anagram for T-bean
< 1513964734 681372 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-259-23.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a secret code
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< 1513964921 473877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also an anagram for "neat B". Nothing is ever a coincidence, they say.
< 1513964995 451800 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a portmanteau of two anagrams
< 1513965019 509714 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tea beans were developed under a secret British government program in an attempt to replace coffee.
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< 1513979859 248803 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do people think of this implementation of natural numbers I did for fun?
< 1513979859 735073 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arin.ga/E4il0U
< 1513979991 968234 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is in Haskell)
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< 1513987681 305822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fun, so why does... https://arin.ga/uEVn6I ... terminate?
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< 1514029914 160661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, there's a new generic source for malware in Germany, bealocalhost.de.
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< 1514030976 806796 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant connect
< 1514030994 66338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdfgsdfg23: it resolves to 127.0.0.1 :P
< 1514031000 366256 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 
< 1514031004 81187 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly me
< 1514031103 307989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a mild curiosity by itself. It gets interesting when you learn that "bea" is short for "besonderes Anwaltspostfach", an electronic mailbox for lawyers that's supposed to become mandatory in January.
< 1514031161 846389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why do they have that domain? Apparently, part of their client is a web service that runs locally. Which is something that browsers don't really like; you'll get lots of warnings. So they registered this domain.
< 1514031234 376728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it gets embarrassing because browsers warn when you're not using SSL. So there's an SSL certificate for that domain. And the private key is shipped with the client. And... surprise!... somebody revoked the certificate on the 21st or 22nd of December :)
< 1514031328 903319 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I can't really prove that it terminates, but the recursive calls to pred and succ in the definition of succ are always to much smaller numbers
< 1514031410 858643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, I also believe that it terminates. However, I tried some automatic tools and they failed, and I don't have a complete paper proof either.
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< 1514034823 183096 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( be a localhost. yes, you too can now be a localhost! )

< 1514034950 359763 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, I liked that reading as well.
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< 1514035316 923811 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawyers are assholes
< 1514035320 235998 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally
< 1514035340 183466 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :selfish
< 1514035372 637016 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn one of you will sue my ass now
< 1514035406 508672 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusual creatures
< 1514035487 114646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1514035528 586533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdfgsdfg23: I think you're overgeneralizing.
< 1514035564 992877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that "certificate for 127.0.0.1" thing is, unfortunately, not the stupidest use of certificates I'm aware of
< 1514035567 338670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's up there
< 1514035608 367836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is really stupid when you use the same certificate everywhere and then it gets revoked :P
< 1514035656 305230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "the private key became public" a sufficient reason for a CA to revoke unilaterally?
< 1514035663 824484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they need permission from the key's owner?
< 1514035678 394470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, the private key might be enough on its own to create a revocation request
< 1514035682 962319 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there really isn't a good fix. (What they are trying to do, by the looks of it, is to get all the lawyers install a custom CA certificate, which, presumably, will then be used to sign the individual bealocalhost.de certificates. There's no way that this can end well.)
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< 1514035826 98018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‎[13:29] ‎<‎ais523‎>‎ now I'm wondering if 127.0.0.1 is inherently secure or if there's some way to inject packets to look like they come from there
< 1514035827 597758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‎[13:29] ‎<‎ais523‎>‎ I think it's possible to send an IP packet with a forged source address, isn't it? just it tends not to be useful because you won't get a reply
< 1514035927 203892 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, properly configured routers and network stacks will not accept/forward such packages.
< 1514035986 6928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if the address claims to be 127.0.0.1 most routers will be more than a little sceptical
< 1514035987 260722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I believe that there's no guarantee that a packet with a forged 127.0.0.1 "from" address makes it to another host.
< 1514036001 467519 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm missing a negation.
< 1514036009 305934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"huh, that packet's saying I sent it, that seems a little surprising"
< 1514036281 66143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think best practices say that you shouldn't accept such packets.
< 1514036349 625735 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the quality of music that makes it sound christmasy?
< 1514036360 687466 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8IWkC7tT44
< 1514036497 467622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eyes \oren\_ suspiciously and doesn't click.

< 1514037156 258691 :sdfgsdfg23!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVeWsxeG44U
< 1514037823 870154 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's music from a game I've been playing, Xmas Shooting : Scramble!
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< 1514040202 569238 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as far as I see, the localhost trick works like this. win32 doesn't have sane AF_LOCAL sockets for some reason, so either you write a non-portable program that uses crazy win32-specific IPC and will never work on windows, or you write unsafe shit that uses localhost and will be secure only as long as there's only one user on your computer.
< 1514040233 324207 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now we got a lot of lazy programs that use localhost tcp communications and assume they're secure, despite that in most of them, any other user on the host can just make them misbehave.
< 1514040254 19851 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even on windows, it's sort of the easiest way to do IPC, which is why even non-portable programs do that.
< 1514040285 494171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: why would that need an SSL certificate, though?
< 1514040299 283311 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to pacify browsers when there's a combination with an external site involved, I'd guess
< 1514040332 612537 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's even worse with browsers because when you view local pages, the browser just has to assume it's all secure, and can't distinguish between different things you download and view locally
< 1514040468 9043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I mean, browsers don't use AF_LOCAL sockets either
< 1514040477 249334 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, the local files aren't relevant
< 1514040483 310259 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying the certificate is for localhost
< 1514040507 119894 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess it's a webpage served as a combination between localhost and some remote host
< 1514040523 555013 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some local program acting as a http server involved
< 1514040529 909972 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the browser wants the combination to be all https
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< 1514047977 452502 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian now has vanilla ffmpeg, not just their avconv clone? nice
< 1514047990 974394 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to say these sorts of forks getting smoothed out
< 1514048037 106200 :wob_jonas!b03f18ad@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the only other time this has happened was with eglibc, a fork that's ended now that they fixed their disputes with glibc and made one glibc that does what everyone wants
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< 1514055259 696557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book from library that mentions outguess stuff. They mention multiple choice test, and it seem maybe the people who design the test could use a computer to help to make it harder to guess.
< 1514055284 486787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also mention falsified financial data; it also seem like you could write a computer program to help you to cheat at it.
< 1514055414 613061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also mention Shannon's outguessing machine, and that he was the only person who could win. And then they described how we win, which is what I expected; he was able to carry out the program mentally, to know how the machine is working.
< 1514055524 108774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in many of cases being mentioned, using dice might also be of some help.
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< 1514055583 282897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless the government sells biased dice in order to more easily spy on people, but then the people can easily expose them doing so.)
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< 1514067148 570029 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\_> what is the quality of music that makes it sound christmasy? <-- not being japanese is a start hth
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< 1514068572 794604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( the trout is out there )
< 1514068580 510437 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1514068602 6144 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :( no-one things this way ) O o .
< 1514068630 673405 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe japanese do
< 1514068644 287536 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps!
< 1514068675 755822 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news I finished the first chapter of the HoTT book just now
< 1514068692 813292 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find some paper and start the exercises tomorrow!
< 1514068695 254958 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :HoTT?
< 1514068717 149552 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1514068717 761891 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://homotopytypetheory.org/book/
< 1514068723 863704 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that is the one!
< 1514068739 535234 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got myself a physical copy (because paper is so nice)
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< 1514069027 387184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many book authors think about the abbreviating (and making sure they don't accidentally conflict with an existing book) when it comes to choosing the title.
< 1514069171 485706 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like my upcoming book, These Ants on Chess Pieces
< 1514069289 785303 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this is not actually a book I am writing or will be writing)
< 1514069763 718163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These Ants. Thants.
< 1514069988 614030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is it just macro lens photos of ants on chess pieces? 
< 1514070124 84688 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possible
< 1514070127 124353 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possibly
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< 1514070931 948813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smoke just came out of my amplifier. :/
< 1514070948 70086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a flash, a bang, and orange flames.
< 1514070957 811550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a thin wisp of smoke.
< 1514070987 764715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad occasion. I liked that thing.
< 1514071090 920487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That smoke is sealed in there pretty well, but fire usually gets it out
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< 1514090877 656463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS has "alternative abilities" where you can switch between them, because there are different modes of one thing. I saw once also mention of "alternating abilities", where they must be used in order, and then after the last one is used, the first one becomes available again. Someone said it is silly, but I think it can be interesting if the costs, time to use, and other requirements are significant!
< 1514090881 421939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this?
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< 1514106579 396461 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the infinite sum of x/(2^x) converge?
< 1514107011 381709 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I care about (x/2)/(2^x) but I think if one converges then so will the other
< 1514107102 316318 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they converge at 1 and 0.5 respectively but don't know how to prove it
< 1514107131 153873 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 and 1, not 1 and 0.5
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< 1514110936 168113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: x/(2^x) obviously converges because past a certain point, each element of the sequence is smaller than 1/(1.5^x) (exponential beats linear)
< 1514110948 608259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that sort of argument doesn't tell you what number it converges at
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< 1514112397 339721 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: for the former, you can show that sum[i=0 to n] i/2^i = 2 - (n+2)/2^n
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< 1514112663 335691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the cute idea of rewriting sum[i=0 to inf]  i/2^i = sum[i=0 to inf] sum[j=1 to i] 1/2^i as sum[j=1 to inf] sum[i=j to inf] 1/2^i = sum[j=1 to inf] 2/2^j = 2.
< 1514112741 922254 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that's pretty neat
< 1514112747 531532 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you
< 1514112834 793388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's generating functions: x/(1-x)^2 = x(1/(1-x))' = x(1+x+x^2+...+x^i+...)' = x(1 + 2x + 3x^2 + ... + ix^(i-1)) = x + 2x^2 + ... + ix^i + ..., and x/(1-x)^2 =2 for x = 1/2.
< 1514112863 844253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should probably reverse those equations...)
< 1514112979 985279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should perhaps note that I'm building on top of the knowledge that the series is (absolutely) convergent, which justifies reordering terms, and replacing 1+x+x^2+... by 1/(1-x).
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< 1514128755 82280 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afternoily
< 1514129031 766235 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BØN MATIRJAN!
< 1514129058 816886 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is older today! ^^

< 1514129074 907229 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514129091 193112 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose there's a program H1 that can answer whether a program P stops.
< 1514129109 501230 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then suppose there exists a program Q = IF H1(Q) THEN loop(); ELSE stop();
< 1514129119 710062 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus H1 would get the answer wrong for Q
< 1514129160 45715 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus we know that H1 gets the answer incorrect for Q
< 1514129192 203721 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume that H1 will answer with "YES" for Q
< 1514129211 943462 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This allows us to construt an H2(P) = IF P = Q THEN "NO" ELSE H1(P)
< 1514129219 189874 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would get the answer correct for Q
< 1514129287 369592 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar if H1 answers with "NO"
< 1514129380 182677 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the "NO" case we could even tell this because then Q actually stops in a finite amount of time
< 1514129455 108712 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Q exists we can create an H2 that will detect Q and answer correspondingly or else invoke H1
< 1514129498 899439 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could construct a Q2 = IF H2(Q) THEN loop(); ELSE STOP();
< 1514129510 493129 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point you can create an H3 that detects this case as well
< 1514129511 684971 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on.
< 1514129540 818228 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do this more generically
< 1514129565 995391 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any Hx it can detect whether it is invoked during execution of the program
< 1514129586 698949 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you don't need H1, H2, H3, H4... but only an Hx for the generic case.
< 1514129594 360708 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: happy birthday!
< 1514129622 618156 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus this Hx should get the answer correct for all Qx
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< 1514129702 484998 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean that the existence of a Q does not mean that no such H can exist.
< 1514129731 282821 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me even more convinced that the halting problem does not exist.
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< 1514129783 875553 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides what I've already mentioned that proving H can't exist also proves Q can't exist which means that neither H can exist nor can a program exist that would break H
< 1514129815 881516 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :two problems there
< 1514129826 69803 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, how do you compare programs for equality?
< 1514129833 431694 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, and more importantly, programs are finite
< 1514129844 138299 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hypothetical Hx is infinite; you can't just take the limit and say it exists
< 1514129849 531588 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the source code of Q is a function of the source code of H. didn't you get this explained the other day?
< 1514129957 959106 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, there is indeed no Q that works to disprove all Hs, but for every H there is a Q that disproves it.
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< 1514130119 103992 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare programs? Reduce them to some normal form I guess.
< 1514130142 215317 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which we can do if the program stops in a finite amount of time
< 1514130175 184763 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or compare source codes
< 1514130177 610674 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even true
< 1514130180 515159 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever representation you have for programs
< 1514130193 725820 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and comparing representation works, but there are infinitely many possible representations of equivalent programs
< 1514130209 391657 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that doesn't make things any worse
< 1514130215 648211 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your Hx still needs to be infinite anyway
< 1514130246 782958 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if two LC terms are semantically the same they'd evaluate to the same final form eventually
< 1514130258 488420 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd have a non-deterministic eval
< 1514130261 567436 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: not if neither halts
< 1514130272 425367 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1514130272 837175 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we definitely can't assume that they halt here
< 1514130281 686406 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but H would halt.
< 1514130284 153852 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any H would halt
< 1514130293 879449 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're talking about Q
< 1514130299 374891 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're comparing programs to Q, which may not halt
< 1514130369 807103 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even in LC, you can have two programs which halt on all inputs and give the same results on all inputs
< 1514130373 719412 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't reduce to the same normal form
< 1514130376 8138 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you'd have to proof first that there's a program R that is semantically identical to Q but which can't be reduced to Q in a finite amount of time.
< 1514130380 281738 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need the input in order to reduce them
< 1514130401 416018 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't compare programs by semantics
< 1514130404 188598 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in proof that Q is not unique under reduction
< 1514130408 617322 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514130411 169850 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever that is called in CS terms.
< 1514130419 4303 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have it backward
< 1514130428 36775 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order for your argument to be valid, you need a proof that Q *is* unique under reduction
< 1514130436 805001 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you won't find
< 1514130467 447026 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a R = IF H(P) == !true THEN ...
< 1514130469 166450 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1514130477 427170 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that R would be reducable to Q in a finite amount of time
< 1514130493 925753 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait consider this
< 1514130525 3851 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :R(P) = if (some condition on P) then Q(P) else Q(P)
< 1514130527 428785 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't reduce to Q
< 1514130530 911444 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you provide an input P
< 1514130543 259206 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inputs are cheating.
< 1514130546 817924 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1514130550 495992 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these programs have inputs
< 1514130561 325167 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have meaning without inputs
< 1514130580 323483 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :try formalizing it
< 1514130676 233875 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ultimately
< 1514130694 681811 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input is known before H is invoked
< 1514130700 417483 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since H only takes a program
< 1514130704 757657 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a program PLUS input
< 1514130709 295791 :garit!~garit@94.197.121.194.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1514130714 864215 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how it's usually specified
< 1514130723 360186 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1514130725 980314 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the halting problem is to determine if a given program halts *on a given input*
< 1514130728 55758 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't care about the I/O case.
< 1514130746 745422 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the non I/O case :)
< 1514130755 822704 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing parameters counts as I/O
< 1514130764 58271 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking at too high a level here
< 1514130793 487482 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H can only somehow measure if P stops or not.
< 1514130800 217134 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1514130809 494824 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without communicating with P in any other way
< 1514130812 40065 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the input as a program+input combination
< 1514130815 658313 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H doesn't even get the output of P
< 1514130820 718199 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you "don't have I/O"
< 1514130826 624776 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines don't have output
< 1514130829 992220 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides ACCEPT/REJECT
< 1514130834 426793 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually a big difference if you disallow I/O there, it can be hardcoded.
< 1514130837 46740 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, you're thinking at too high a level
< 1514130846 249403 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O is not a concept in turing machines
< 1514130861 666720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are modified Turing Machine definitions that do have I/O
< 1514130863 909816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally using a separate tape
< 1514130869 706647 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1514130870 373821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the original definition doesn't
< 1514130881 162004 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accept the halting problem in the I/O case.
< 1514130884 159629 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense.
< 1514130889 143037 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there is no "I/O case" though
< 1514130892 338436 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately
< 1514130929 16541 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q = IF H(P) ... is inherently an I/O bound action.
< 1514130942 267828 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it calls a foreign program that is not within Q
< 1514130945 53668 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514130950 120466 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how turing machines work
< 1514130955 301836 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :H is embedded in Q
< 1514130963 237897 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "foreign"
< 1514130964 799042 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no I/O
< 1514130972 630179 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a subroutine
< 1514130995 106890 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i told you, the source code of Q contains the source code of H.
< 1514131008 182164 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _is_ within.
< 1514131068 938875 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then Q = IF H(Q) doesn't work
< 1514131079 218269 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're only passing Q
< 1514131080 8923 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not H.
< 1514131084 428637 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it does, you use a quining technique.
< 1514131087 368523 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1514131098 855120 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't mentioned in the proof anywhere
< 1514131103 717972 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1514131115 204719 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :H is a machine which takes an encoded representation of a Turing machine, right?
< 1514131122 174133 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the input to H is source code
< 1514131124 370882 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you may have read a bad version of the proof.
< 1514131130 78042 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just assume that you can embed H like that.
< 1514131146 819754 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the fact that you can embed H like that is well established
< 1514131153 199855 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines are universal
< 1514131158 22358 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i cannot say clearly that i've read it, i just consider it obvious since i _do_ know how to write a quine.
< 1514131169 803778 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to write a quine too.
< 1514131188 271674 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x.xx)(\x.xx) being the most obvious one
< 1514131193 212742 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so the way it works from a technical point of view is
< 1514131229 823329 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :H is a turing machine whose input is a description of turing machine
< 1514131232 230012 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is not a quine)
< 1514131246 829004 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the description doesn't need to be specified specifically, because we're trying to prove H doesn't exist
< 1514131267 750449 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can assume that there is some way to go from (Turing Machines) -> (input format for H)
< 1514131303 990411 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q embeds H as a subroutine
< 1514131318 364600 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not too hard to show how to do this, though I can explain it more if you need)
< 1514131345 692478 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we apply our mapping to Q, and we get Q in the input format to H
< 1514131348 957775 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we feed this to Q
< 1514131354 101641 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn passes it on to H
< 1514131421 390551 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1514131546 457476 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you could have a turing machine with a Quine operator right?
< 1514131554 44407 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't violate the laws of turing machines.
< 1514131569 828056 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably. but they can already do quines so why bothere
< 1514131573 233665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-e
< 1514131584 513881 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could write a program IF H(myself) THEN loop(); else halt();
< 1514131599 364680 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where myself is a builtin that is replaced with the source code of the program itself.
< 1514131644 988977 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to be more specific... the program would look like `H(p) := ....; Main := IF H(myself) THEN loop(); ELSE halt();`
< 1514131682 809834 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1514131698 745336 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's officially christmas in norway, time to open the first nutella ball...
< 1514131699 549743 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, a program can't quine itself
< 1514131709 41632 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't have a copy of its source code
< 1514131720 952548 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1514131721 458619 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the general case
< 1514131734 53629 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines operate at a meta level
< 1514131737 902384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what day is it celebrated? and what time does it start? I assume if it's officially Christmas now, it has been for several hours
< 1514131747 476373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is Christmas Eve in the UK and insanely busy in all the shops as a consequences
< 1514131750 251499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*consequence
< 1514131777 93376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should write a better BuzzFizz interp so that I can look into whether it can write a quine
< 1514131784 79025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if it couldn't, but it seems really painful
< 1514131803 948629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 17 on Dec 24 is when the church bells start ringing
< 1514131832 453035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an oddly specific Christmas tradition
< 1514131848 661188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it starts at midnight between 24 and 25 in theory, or mid-September in practice :-P
< 1514131850 473430 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could have some a regular computer with infinite memory where the program sits in memory itself so it can surely access itself
< 1514131858 246576 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the TM would technically be that computer than
< 1514131860 100421 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1514131860 538514 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, but that's not a turing machine
< 1514131881 174827 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's equivalent to turing machines?
< 1514131909 399777 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's at least as good as a turing machine
< 1514131913 911205 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalent in computational power, but I guess the equivalent for a real computer
< 1514131924 77532 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be like trying to have the processor output a copy of its own circuitry
< 1514131942 229118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most processors can do that just fine, especially as they don't need to output the data defining that circuitry too
< 1514131952 312747 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theoretically a turing machine could produce a representation of itself somehow?
< 1514131956 254638 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how would they do that without access to a copy of the schematic?
< 1514131980 903714 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Any such machine would either have to be specifically designed to do so, or take enough information to do so in the input, or some mix of the two
< 1514131988 719154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming they have memory, even if it's just cache
< 1514131990 353911 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a machine which just adds two numbers together couldn't
< 1514131994 149598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a more direct example, see https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/100114
< 1514131996 680628 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it just adds numbers together
< 1514132004 379258 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514132012 819879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're talking about "not all programs are quines" rather than "some programs are quines"
< 1514132065 792282 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all normal forms are basically quines.
< 1514132078 161223 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514132085 840149 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're confusing two things there
< 1514132108 625249 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess if you define the output of a computation to be normal form, then yes
< 1514132115 482243 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x.y evaluates to \x.y
< 1514132145 356969 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original definition of turing machine has no output other than ACCEPT/REJECT though
< 1514132148 406254 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember what it was caled
< 1514132149 771119 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quines are impossible under that definition
< 1514132150 784301 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beta normal form?
< 1514132160 573205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: it could leave a description of itself on the tape
< 1514132165 745044 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true
< 1514132177 2640 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a radio program playing sounds from church bells all over the country at this time (and also church choirs)
< 1514132183 593904 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does require a slightly different definition
< 1514132193 169337 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the shops close a couple hours earlier at least.
< 1514132194 821790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I'm upset that nobody else took up the challenge to create a circuit that output a specification of itself, it was a really interesting idea
< 1514132198 422335 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but either way
< 1514132212 309812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: over here most shops close at 9pm on Christmas Eve
< 1514132223 70470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, even if it's a Sunday (which means that they end up opening /longer/ than they normally would…)
< 1514132248 220922 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one liner proof is if H exists with said properties then a Q = IF H(Q) THEN loop(); else halt(); exists thus no H can exist with such properties.
< 1514132265 285254 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this one is really easy to understand.
< 1514132296 910432 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: EXPLODING CHICKEN
< 1514132319 39329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal form program is basically a literal-only program
< 1514132325 27724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those normally aren't considered quines
< 1514132326 227004 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarily if you had two programs A and B that can each answer correctly for a subset of programs
< 1514132327 970883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 
< 1514132329 363523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1514132329 808023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : : error: not an expression: ‘’
< 1514132330 804942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> `
< 1514132332 307217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1514132332 870519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘`’
< 1514132334 689415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1514132336 732063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1514132338 847193 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could combine A and B into a new program
< 1514132346 416276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1" is not normally considered a quine in ghci
< 1514132351 910053 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1514132354 173595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's just a literal that's printed literally
< 1514132356 381490 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you can do that, yeah
< 1514132358 633633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it meets some definitions
< 1514132368 426794 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there are definitely subsets of programs for which it can be answered
< 1514132414 956259 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd have to make some assumption
< 1514132430 393253 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as saying that if A can't decide it loops forever and if B can't decide then B loops forever
< 1514132475 542512 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you can create a C(P) = PAR { A(P) ; B(P); }
< 1514132498 820193 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1514132501 275041 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which evaluates A and B in parallel and since either A or B eventually terminates C terminates
< 1514132512 180372 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if neither can decide, then C doesn't terminate
< 1514132513 379901 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you could create D = IF C(P) THEN loop() ELSE halt()
< 1514132535 37741 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C(D) would be wrong
< 1514132541 801215 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nonterminating
< 1514132553 71066 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we know that no finite amount of programs combined can answer correctly for every P
< 1514132557 290630 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514132560 201608 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a finite amount of time)
< 1514132567 630796 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean bounded, not finite
< 1514132575 552045 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait
< 1514132577 183584 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm wrong
< 1514132582 663422 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it backwards because I'm tired
< 1514132585 925074 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me >_>
< 1514132586 207975 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean by bounded vs finite
< 1514132595 962631 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good pretend I didn't say the stupid thing and move on then
< 1514132624 600616 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. bounded is used for quantities
< 1514132625 708944 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1514132663 859110 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this context bounded usually means there's a single upper bound, so like "there is a number X such that the problem can always be decided in less than X time"
< 1514132678 466553 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs "the problem is always decided in finite time, but may take arbitrarily long"
< 1514132687 230486 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that still leaves one unanswered question
< 1514132693 602875 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since neither C nor D can exist
< 1514132698 240067 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do we do with that?
< 1514132701 892377 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophically
< 1514132720 358237 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514132741 399548 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think that's bad, how about the algorithms that we know exist but that we can't prove them correct
< 1514132833 992013 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose A exists but if A exists a B must exist but the existence of B means A can't exist thus A does not exist but since A does not exist neither does B exist so neither A nor B actually exist.
< 1514132863 369653 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in norway sundays in december can have longer opening hours by law, but not today.
< 1514132865 182115 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which for the halting problem would mean that there doesn't exist a program where H would answer incorrectly.
< 1514132879 641858 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the existence of that program is bound to the existence of H.
< 1514132883 637448 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we know H doesn't exist.
< 1514132931 140182 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds more like the halting problem is undecidable
< 1514132935 252874 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, notwithstanding that you're not quite right about A and B
< 1514132935 417398 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than saying it exists.
< 1514132941 272429 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just how proof by contradiction works
< 1514132953 481120 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take one impossibility, and build on it
< 1514132956 156342 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1514132964 297415 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the intermediate constructions you make will be equally impossible
< 1514132972 217553 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they rely on the first impossibility
< 1514132972 264037 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the proof for the irationality of sqrt(2) is a proof by contradiction right?
< 1514132982 467493 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one approach
< 1514132987 904090 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sqrt(2) actually exists.
< 1514132990 636659 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally different.
< 1514133005 775076 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fine, proofs of non-existence by contradiction
< 1514133013 235178 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not what the proof about sqrt(2) is
< 1514133031 737411 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like saying H exists
< 1514133032 75388 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :try, say, the proof that there are no functions continuous at all rational points but discontinuous at all irrational ones
< 1514133038 461889 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't have a property you say it have
< 1514133039 42715 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1514133055 913257 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H(x) is a program, suppose H(x) had the property that it answers correctly for all P
< 1514133066 172165 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could then proof that H can't have that property
< 1514133070 642069 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1514133076 255764 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another, equally valid way
< 1514133079 286306 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Q = IF H(Q) THEN ... would break that property
< 1514133087 432225 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sqrt(2)
< 1514133088 649829 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this means that H actually exists.
< 1514133101 484904 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could prove that there is no number x for which x is rational and x^2 = 2
< 1514133188 994272 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would leave the question what property that H has then.
< 1514133193 473661 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514133268 529878 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say P is the set of all programs
< 1514133280 699849 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and H is the property of a program to answer the correctly whether some other program halts.
< 1514133288 912375 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514133303 713935 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. P is the set of all programs that take another program as input and answer with a yes or no
< 1514133341 362564 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could then show that no program in that set has the property H.
< 1514133415 687556 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they all exist.
< 1514133422 281071 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't have the property H
< 1514133436 307671 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1514133440 378782 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a question of how you define existence
< 1514133441 546679 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd accept that as a valid proof.
< 1514133459 792271 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it avoids the circular argument.
< 1514133476 434329 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't embed a program that doesn't exist
< 1514133485 574688 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're assuming it does
< 1514133493 522585 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but still
< 1514133500 852052 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming H(P) exists
< 1514133516 125425 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :a consequence of that assumption is that you can construct Q
< 1514133518 285661 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allows me to define Q=IF H(Q) THEN loop(); else halt();
< 1514133523 773302 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514133529 235501 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can only construct Q if H exists.
< 1514133534 66410 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if H doesn't exist
< 1514133535 530886 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you assumed thta it does
< 1514133535 613812 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Q doesn't.
< 1514133541 232901 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if H doesn't exist, you don't need Q
< 1514133545 19240 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're already done the proof
< 1514133545 391656 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the chain of proof is
< 1514133569 678294 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if H exists then Q exists and the existence OF Q proofs that H doesn't exist.
< 1514133575 571172 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this invalidates my assumption that Q exists
< 1514133579 29934 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514133581 505612 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if Q doesn't exist
< 1514133582 443639 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q existing is not an assumption
< 1514133585 478667 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't proof that H doesn't exist.
< 1514133602 332428 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to prove that H doesn't exist I need that Q to exist.
< 1514133613 903172 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q existing is a consequence of H existing
< 1514133617 784682 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Q exists
< 1514133620 40702 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then H must exist.
< 1514133621 262529 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have made only one assumption
< 1514133623 825210 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that H exists
< 1514133650 589337 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existence of Q proves that H exists.
< 1514133665 12198 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's only valid in the logical context
< 1514133669 493416 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is of an assumption that H exists
< 1514133702 485967 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no need for Q to exist if H doesn't exist
< 1514133711 130903 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh :D
< 1514133719 263262 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't accept such kind of proofs.
< 1514133722 265675 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're illogical.
< 1514133734 421595 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're quite logical
< 1514133746 168540 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exists H => exists Q => not exists H.
< 1514133763 797509 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I now know H does not exist.
< 1514133772 132783 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never proved Q exists
< 1514133777 793924 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you proved that "if H exists, Q exists"
< 1514133781 920636 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have false => exists Q => not exists H.
< 1514133794 153916 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and false => X is not a valid proof.
< 1514133808 514905 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514133810 596676 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that step doesn't hold
< 1514133837 870783 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A => B) is true if either A is false OR B is true
< 1514133863 618609 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (H exists => Q exists) is true even if H doesn't exist
< 1514133877 91715 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well formally
< 1514133892 303591 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we know Q can't exist because Q embeds H.
< 1514133897 379602 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either awy
< 1514133898 865928 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine
< 1514133911 131140 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need Q to exist on its own
< 1514133915 370238 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1514133920 404363 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :we only need it to exist if H exists
< 1514133924 527126 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong => true statement is technically true
< 1514133932 877678 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a true statement can't follow from a wrong statement.
< 1514133944 730200 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1514133951 892132 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we were trying to prove Q exists that would be a problem
< 1514133957 232374 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately we're trying to prove it doesn't exist
< 1514133970 870823 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're trying to prove H doesn't exist
< 1514133980 437959 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1514133991 969123 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your proof only works if Q exists.
< 1514133999 385567 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're using Q as a counter example
< 1514133999 432070 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514134003 364236 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true
< 1514134058 266316 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned the proof that sqrt(2) is irrational, right?
< 1514134063 672738 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1514134075 140921 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first line is "suppose sqrt(2) is rational, then there exist a and b in lowest terms such that a/b = sqrt(2)"
< 1514134081 429802 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :those a and b don't exist
< 1514134084 388563 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cannot
< 1514134103 643036 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1514134111 697573 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the combination of a/b = sqrt(2) doesn't exist
< 1514134142 225794 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assume that a are natural numbers
< 1514134147 683104 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that a and b
< 1514134160 930605 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asserting that some numbers with some properties exist
< 1514134167 256902 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying they exist without those properties is meaningless
< 1514134178 902989 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just pointless philosophizing over the definition of "exist"
< 1514134197 152584 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural numbers exist
< 1514134211 986900 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't find a combination of two natural numbers a and b such that a/b = sqrt(2)
< 1514134217 56924 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but the pair (a, b) such that a/b is in lowest terms and equal to sqrt(2) does not exist
< 1514134233 468725 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just trying to draw some arbitrary definition of mathematical objects that do exist, and ones that don't
< 1514134235 860743 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any pair of two natural numbers exist
< 1514134243 117285 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oerjan said, you could also look at Q as a function
< 1514134248 117422 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q(H) = ...
< 1514134252 84071 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't have the property that a/b = sqrt(2)
< 1514134255 208100 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, Q(H)(P)
< 1514134258 976815 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, Q absolutely exists
< 1514134303 82925 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other terms
< 1514134311 371241 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(2) is not member of the set N
< 1514134324 53790 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1514134324 965745 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :set Q
< 1514134336 86043 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said, this is pointless philosophizing with no logical meaning
< 1514134347 889461 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not pointless
< 1514134351 590475 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if H exists
< 1514134355 357790 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logical steps are perfectly well defined
< 1514134356 737630 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and correct
< 1514134368 740413 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H can't be a member of the sets of all turing machine-ish programs
< 1514134374 425685 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trying to lift Q's existence outside the hypothetical "H exists"
< 1514134381 283654 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is logically invalid, and correctly so
< 1514134389 377539 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're complaining that this means it can't exist in the hypothetical
< 1514134390 944667 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't true
< 1514134416 788515 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call the set of all turing machines T
< 1514134424 393095 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then H is not member of that set.
< 1514134445 954325 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that follows from the halting problem proof.
< 1514134451 726097 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514134465 652517 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Q is member of that set.
< 1514134470 50000 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514134489 80908 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't
< 1514134501 113763 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Q itself isn't a set of T
< 1514134509 658881 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean member?
< 1514134510 380159 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't use the existence of Q to proof anything
< 1514134513 951803 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not even within T
< 1514134521 870920 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the question is whether H can answer it correctly for members of T
< 1514134524 870109 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if Q isn't member of T
< 1514134529 480705 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1514134530 866918 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Q isn't a counter example.
< 1514134534 798774 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we suppose H exists
< 1514134537 7010 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1514134538 384297 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :H \in T
< 1514134541 521176 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Q can be defined
< 1514134543 397714 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Q \in T
< 1514134560 452268 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Q can only be in T if H is in T
< 1514134565 664458 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we assume H is in T
< 1514134569 161400 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that follows from the definition of H.
< 1514134570 446998 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a logically valid step
< 1514134570 537693 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh.
< 1514134572 768569 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definition of Q
< 1514134706 901256 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're getting hung up on "existence" here
< 1514134716 499563 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the logical step of picking a and b in the proof of sqrt(2) is no different
< 1514134723 561651 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a step which is only logically valid if the statement is false
< 1514134727 563753 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how proof by contradiction works
< 1514134737 827381 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's the existence per se but the fact that a proof should be valid if up update it with new information.
< 1514134745 913928 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you update
< 1514134750 177248 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the sqrt(2) proof is equally invalid
< 1514134756 791043 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1514134761 69301 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because once we prove that sqrt(2) is irrational
< 1514134766 691095 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose sqrt(2) is a member of Q
< 1514134767 984785 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know that the step of picking a and b was invalid
< 1514134784 291504 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :by your argumen
< 1514134788 809310 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there would exist an a,b both member of N such that sqrt(2) = a/b.
< 1514134793 343751 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514134795 665956 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1514134802 581289 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we include the fact that sqrt(2) is positive
< 1514134806 884004 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they could be negative
< 1514134809 893180 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generally yeah
< 1514134833 12574 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more specifically, you cand find a pair of a,b with the property of a/b = sqrt(2)
< 1514134841 770489 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a^2/b^2 = 2
< 1514134850 869274 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514134874 765285 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yada yada so we know for that to be true both a and b would have to be even numbers.
< 1514134890 234180 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can leave out hte details
< 1514134963 576617 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I skipped one assumption tho
< 1514134969 817120 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a and b don't have common factors
< 1514134985 865084 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's fine, I'm familiar with the proof
< 1514135002 866266 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we assumed that we can find a pair a,b with no common factors such that a/b = sqrt(2)
< 1514135009 813663 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1514135013 142346 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is wrong.
< 1514135013 986979 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :we assumed that sqrt(2) \in Q
< 1514135028 472389 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since both a and b have to be even if a/b = sqrt(2)
< 1514135123 592857 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-umjxzayhmsnstokm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514135124 665499 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is a contradiction
< 1514135132 295405 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514135147 180033 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus we know there's no such pair of a,b as we assumed
< 1514135206 423274 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i see
< 1514135210 30147 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we know that a and b must have at least a common factor of 2
< 1514135225 434923 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we go back
< 1514135307 307799 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: hm i think i have a hunch where you're getting hung up, and the sqrt(2) proof is just simple enough to avoid it. but what about the proof of the infinitude of primes?
< 1514135395 770671 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can find a,b with common factors such that a/b = sqrt(2)
< 1514135398 207163 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have the same H => P => no such H thing
< 1514135405 950352 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*structure
< 1514135432 939420 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, perhaps i should wait to see if you _are_ hung up on sqrt(2) first)
< 1514135464 383828 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we divide by two repeat
< 1514135471 27097 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll always end up with the same thing.
< 1514135504 70578 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had some washing to do

< 1514135523 601377 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we know that if a/b = sqrt(2) then both a and b can endlessly be divided by two.
< 1514135623 370132 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1514135633 791909 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sqtr(2) = x*2^infinity
< 1514135851 959500 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nonsense 
< 1514135872 602307 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't do that within Q
< 1514135906 161778 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean there's no largest prime?
< 1514135957 395984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a quick algorithm to figure out both the squarefree core of a number as well as the square root of the rest, at the same time?
< 1514135999 408311 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume there's a number with the property of being prime such that you can not find a number larger than that also having the property of being prime.
< 1514136049 767572 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume p = p1*p2*p3*p4*p5*...*pn has this property
< 1514136098 618865 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1
< 1514136114 879769 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise it wouldn't be prime)
< 1514136156 141144 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then q = p1*p2*p3*p4*p5*...*pn*p+1 would also be prime
< 1514136162 811626 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus p doesn't have the property
< 1514136192 805411 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which now we go back as well
< 1514136207 699423 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know that p doesn't have the property
< 1514136211 578827 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we know that p is prime
< 1514136258 80327 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p doesn't need to have the property for the proof to work
< 1514136258 171311 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p doesn't need to have the property for the proof to work
< 1514136326 241609 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514136352 655496 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fact that p doesn't have the property doesn't invalidate the fact that q is a larger prime than p
< 1514136373 656547 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so q disproves that p has the property.
< 1514136381 989967 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is logically consistent.
< 1514136392 891742 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help my scrollback is full of proof and I do not know what is going on (I missed the beginning)
< 1514136439 749280 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i wanted to explain it in a different way, to highlight the similarity.
< 1514136450 743233 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I reject the halting problem proof on the grounds that you assume and H exists and then create a counter example Q = IF H(Q) THEN loop(); ELSE halt(); to prove that H does not exist.
< 1514136456 979715 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume there are finitely many primes, let H be the list of all of them.
< 1514136471 66294 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you come back with this new knowledge of H not existing you'll find that Q (your counter example) can't exist as well
< 1514136478 147839 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus your counter example doesn't exist
< 1514136479 998273 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus your proof sucks :D
< 1514136501 419773 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if H exists, then let Q be the product of all the numbers in H.
< 1514136520 662907 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :continue as you did. from the existence of Q we deduce that H cannot exist.
< 1514136537 759346 :augur!~augur@c-73-125-61-197.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514136548 522234 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have the exact same structure as for the point you disagree with in the halting problem.
< 1514136556 955528 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, so... proof by contradiction?
< 1514136696 880871 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't think you can find the squarefree core of a number without prime factorization
< 1514136716 73231 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm fine with proofs by contradiction.
< 1514136827 740911 :augur!~augur@c-73-125-61-197.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1514136867 395890 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: he's having trouble with proofs of the form H exists => Q exists, Q exists => H doesn't exist, ergo H doesn't exist
< 1514136894 792554 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I see
< 1514136894 908752 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm trying to show a different one, but i think i chose a bad time.
< 1514136899 982478 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll sit this one out
< 1514136966 988901 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The reason is because your proof gives you new knowledge and if you update your proof with this new knowledge you'll find that Q can't exist and thus you don't have a counter example anymore.
< 1514136980 625004 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The counter example you used to proof the non-existence of H does itself not exist to begin with.
< 1514136998 938547 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter examples inherently need to exist
< 1514137005 685000 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an argument based on a non-existing counter example is 
< 1514137007 51372 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1514137007 214766 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what about a counterexample scheme
< 1514137010 387466 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it non-sense
< 1514137022 451902 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function from example to counter-example
< 1514137047 401727 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: grmble. ok let's reformulate the original instead, i think it can be done.
< 1514137058 825221 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can reformulate the proof
< 1514137072 925363 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show that no program in the sets of all programs can have the property of answering stuff correctly
< 1514137116 297027 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let H be a program deciding _something_ about other programs. let Q = if H(Q) then loop(); else halt()
< 1514137142 466739 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in. Let M be the set of all programs taking a program as input and answer yes or no then we can certainly show that no program in this set answers correctly for all programs.
< 1514137204 967722 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that no such program exists in the set of all programs.
< 1514137211 808160 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1514137219 876277 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no program that answer correctly for all programs)
< 1514137221 843743 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever.
< 1514137266 972724 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the program itself exists
< 1514137273 448413 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't have the property you assumed it does
< 1514137341 376588 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514137343 936822 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't a fundamental difference between the two arguments here to me
< 1514137348 743886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I was going to tell you that SSR is 75% off but I forgot you already played it.
< 1514137394 295384 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I'm stuck. The Witless is also available at a reasonable price.
< 1514137423 804114 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not in the outcome.
< 1514137424 445131 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let M be the set of all programs of the form A(B) = true/false For every program P in M  we can construct a program Q = IF P(Q) THEN loop(); ELSE halt(); which would imply that P does not answer correctly for Q.
< 1514137435 220857 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a slight difference here
< 1514137440 606111 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely the fact that P exists
< 1514137445 167507 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means Q exists
< 1514137451 885353 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means we can use Q as a counter example
< 1514137456 966466 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Q exists
< 1514137464 726197 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think we have a difference in mathematical philosphy here
< 1514137466 495778 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making the proof logical.
< 1514137472 1649 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It appears so.
< 1514137552 93695 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this proof makes sense to me.
< 1514137554 206377 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other doesn't.
< 1514137559 532883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Any other good jams?
< 1514137584 740304 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if my reformulation of the proof is correct
< 1514137590 338476 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can accept the halting problem to be true
< 1514137625 895911 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I have to continue looking :D
< 1514137665 34362 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, so... the form you don't like is (\exists x \in S => ¬ \exists x \in S) => ¬ \exists x \in S
< 1514137681 560339 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1514137686 636697 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514137712 541969 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the form you do like is \forall x \in T => (P(x) => ¬P(x)) => ¬P(x)
< 1514137718 232778 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this right?
< 1514137813 208261 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\exists X \in S => \exists Y \in S => \not \exists X \in S <- I don't accept this.
< 1514137841 190602 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the existence of Y \in S is tied to the existence of X \in S
< 1514137846 41038 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you later proof to be wrong.
< 1514137857 602111 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1514137864 997479 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure where that Y is coming from here, the counter example for the halting problem is not in the set of halting oracles
< 1514137867 259693 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :travelling in time shouldn't invalidet proofs.
< 1514137872 536953 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*invalidate
< 1514137880 874560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know. I finished The Night of the Rabbit today (which I started last year... I took a break which saved me using a walkthrough) which I liked quite a lot.
< 1514137899 822613 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Q is a counter-example to H.
< 1514137905 979942 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course it's a point&click adventure, so completely different genre.
< 1514137915 608676 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a witness that the existence of H is inconsistent
< 1514137924 142047 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Q contains H
< 1514137936 540989 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q = IF H <- see. H is contained within Q.
< 1514137965 976083 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :All proofs by contradiction do something like that, though
< 1514137976 863437 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1514137990 771996 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, really.
< 1514138016 515515 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume 9 is even. If 9 were even then sqrt(9) had to be even since 9 is a perfect square. sqrt(9) = 3 which is odd thus our assumption that 9 was even must be wrong thus 9 must be odd.
< 1514138047 767237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you jam Recursed?
< 1514138058 920766 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make a proof that 3 is even using a proof that 9 is even
< 1514138065 965288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, so you've constructed an *even* square root of 9, which is something that doesn't really exist.
< 1514138074 781856 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin NICK :contrapumpkin
< 1514138075 744216 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then use this to prove that 9 is odd, so the proof that 3 is even cannot exist
< 1514138092 422707 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 3 isn't even.
< 1514138095 80931 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the problem there.
< 1514138126 589481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only objection I have is that a proof of contradiction is not necessary in this case... never mind involving square roots.
< 1514138127 545056 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see why you're happy with that and unhappy with expressing Q in terms of H
< 1514138155 128563 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: because it's still consistent.
< 1514138206 452573 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my assumption that 9 is even turned to be wrong
< 1514138211 950095 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I know that 9 is odd.
< 1514138226 306167 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no statement is invalidated in this proof by 9 being odd.
< 1514138238 765042 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in that proof depends on 9 being odd.
< 1514138239 166475 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Q constructed in the halting problem proof does exist for any given H as well; it just fails to halt if and only if it doesn't halt, because that property relies on the assumption on H.
< 1514138245 795184 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand your argument here
< 1514138257 604801 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like uhm
< 1514138258 747435 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to wander off
< 1514138305 216734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is quite analogous to the square root of 9. It exists, it equals 3, it just happens not to be even after all.
< 1514138468 85193 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assue 9 is even. If 9 is even then 9+0 is even. Since 9+0 is even then .\
< 1514138488 813770 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you somehow end up showing that 9 is not even.
< 1514138501 58955 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then  isn't valid anymore.
< 1514138549 441063 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if  would show that 9 is odd.
< 1514138553 695222 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just doesn't work logically.
< 1514138571 376693 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm with Taneb here, I don't understand what your problem is.
< 1514138642 249854 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you conclude from 9+0 is even
< 1514138646 403348 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is only valid if 9+0 is even
< 1514138710 477313 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1514138725 111328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nay on recursed
< 1514138746 282559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: this is just basic logic
< 1514138780 290861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's a cute game and also on sale
< 1514138794 161543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starts off a bit slowly but there are some fun levels.
< 1514139008 581409 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah... but it's a big difference whether you say it doesn't exist or whether you say it doesn't have a certain property.
< 1514139039 260098 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certainly say that H doesn't have the property of answering correctly for all programs
< 1514139043 585643 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it inevitably fails on Q.
< 1514139076 697972 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's valid.
< 1514139107 402614 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if H exists then Q can exist and if Q can exist then Q shows that H doesn't have the right properties.
< 1514139137 78317 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus your proof remains valid.
< 1514139252 316977 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can call/embed programs that exist.
< 1514139621 430299 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever :D
< 1514139633 151059 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not accepting spooky exists proofs.
< 1514139898 37178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm, might be fun
< 1514140337 374948 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514141397 123740 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514142615 668925 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other question is whether the halting problem is only undecidable for programs that invoke H.
< 1514142627 154140 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very decidable for programs that do not invoke H.
< 1514142660 351688 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were only undecidable for for programs invoking H
< 1514142673 305802 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, how do you determine if a program invokes H?
< 1514142686 196474 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea.
< 1514142687 806715 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indirectly
< 1514142696 649532 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't tell if the program halts or not it would contain H.
< 1514142712 321056 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "invokes H" is either ill-defined or itself undecidable (by Rice's theorem)
< 1514142722 727361 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the assumption is correct that all undecidable programs invoke H.
< 1514142760 610515 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far we just know that programs of the form IF H(myself) THEN ... are undecidable.
< 1514142780 168847 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be that we can write an a program that answers _correctly_ with yes/no/undecidable
< 1514142801 156767 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a proof that shows that you can't do that either?
< 1514142821 875647 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514142832 739903 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially as mentioned you can write an H2 that detects a specific Q and respond with undecidable
< 1514142848 611753 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a program can surely for some instances tell whether the program halts, doesn't or whether it's undecidable.
< 1514142863 403383 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in specific cases it's decidable whether it's undecidable :D
< 1514142881 183741 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bigger question is whether it's decidable in the generic case.
< 1514142930 144676 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically... 
< 1514142954 637510 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual question would be whether a program can detect that the termination of another program is dependent on itself.
< 1514142978 723549 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if H can conclude that the termination of P depends on the output of H
< 1514142986 572345 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it can answer with undecidable and would do so correctly.
< 1514143027 515448 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the sets of programs that halt and don't halt would be well defined
< 1514143037 752959 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there would be a subset of programs that are undecidable
< 1514143041 670557 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowingly undecidable
< 1514143049 236953 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the outcome depends on H itself.
< 1514143120 892563 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially for IF H(myself) THEN loop(); ELSE halt(); you can conclude perfectly fine that the outcome depends on H
< 1514143149 198028 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, not if you don't have the program in that form
< 1514143154 867897 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :If H is inlined you're lost
< 1514143170 175499 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there a proof that shows that you can't do that either? <-- yes, because any undecidable program doesn't halt, so you could trivially turn that program into one that decides halting itself.
< 1514143195 739654 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu?
< 1514143200 956035 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do undecidable programs not halt?
< 1514143222 51242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it did it would be decidable
< 1514143230 687664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply run it until it halts, there's your proof it halts
< 1514143246 81587 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean undecidable as in it's decidable that it depends on H
< 1514143254 395013 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1514143256 700645 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1514143258 245042 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm.
< 1514143261 737492 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This sentence is false".
< 1514143277 506398 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _know_ that this sentence is neither true nor false within this boolean logic.
< 1514143328 464759 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1514143331 495415 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I know that for IF H(Q) then loop(); else halt(); the outcome is depends on H
< 1514143364 361854 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so H could detect that the outcome depends on the answer it gave the first time
< 1514143366 884667 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetically
< 1514143374 976078 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1514143380 124134 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume turing machines are as smart as humans
< 1514143381 424697 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1514143392 810179 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans can tell that this program is a "paradox"
< 1514143402 401192 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least as smart)
< 1514143452 409081 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if H runs the program Q
< 1514143462 364663 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliberatily answering with a specific "yes" or "no"
< 1514143466 654148 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to cause it to either terminate or not
< 1514143473 288821 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then revising it's answer for the actual output of H.
< 1514143478 515040 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1514143498 941138 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ok i didn't interpret undecidable the same way you do. but like others i'm not sure whether your version is well-defined (although it might be an interesting concept if it is.)
< 1514143560 531928 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean it as in could an H detect that the halting state of a program depends on H and then answer with a third answer.
< 1514143592 303657 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that there's almost surely a way to hide H in a program such that H cannot detect it.
< 1514143596 894578 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess boils down to H being able to detect itself in the program it's given?
< 1514143606 137843 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1514143641 856597 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, rice theorem says that it's undecidable whether a program is equivalent to H.
< 1514143646 929138 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rice's
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< 1514143777 98488 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the halting theorem on steroids: you cannot decide _anything_ about a program that is preserved under equivalence.
< 1514143849 40014 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do statistical tests though.
< 1514143866 147913 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's uninteresting.
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< 1514143902 400234 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1514143909 641822 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we assume there's H1 and H2
< 1514143918 695808 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are semantically identical
< 1514143934 268472 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both answer yes/no/dependent
< 1514143941 488474 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's call it dependent instead of undecidable)
< 1514143966 536717 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what happens if we feed Q = IF H2(Q) THEN loop(); ELSE halt(); to H1.
< 1514144021 797218 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H1 can detect it's own presence.
< 1514144023 856849 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1514144034 719470 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inevatibly IF H2(Q) THEN loop(); ELSE halt(); gets fed through H2
< 1514144038 974328 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and H2 can detect it's own presence
< 1514144044 918039 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so H2 would detect itself in there?
< 1514144076 463420 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if H1 would just eval this
< 1514144084 25713 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H2 would say dependent
< 1514144107 170438 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually we need switch-case now :D
< 1514144124 4312 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a simple if is just true/false
< 1514144161 656990 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q = CASE H2(Q) OF TRUE -> loop(); FALSE -> halt(); DEPENDENT -> .... END
< 1514144188 247870 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if we feed hat to H2
< 1514144196 663761 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H2 is going to answer DEPENDENT
< 1514144207 625400 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we put DEPENDENT -> stops(); in there
< 1514144214 378045 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then DEPENDENT would be wrong.
< 1514144219 220009 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it stops.
< 1514144240 406077 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus H2 would get that wrong.
< 1514144241 853489 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh.
< 1514144244 894603 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :game over :D
< 1514144297 716830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :H2 doesn't exist.
< 1514144375 208431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say you're overthinking this. You seem to be constantly amazed by the fact that *under a false assumption*, you can prove both a statement and its negation, but in fact this is true for any statement at all.
< 1514144442 27850 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could loosen it
< 1514144452 583974 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say H2 just answers whether it's dependent on itself.
< 1514144453 685829 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else.
< 1514144468 984703 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the program might terminate but H2 will answer dependent
< 1514144488 348055 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dependent would just mean "dependent on myself".
< 1514144578 170920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not in all forms of logic
< 1514144597 406173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people in my department have put a lot of effort into logics where (x and not x) does not imply y
< 1514144838 868073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please let's not go there
< 1514144884 173323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my thesis was heavily based round forms of logic where (x and not x) is a syntax error
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< 1514144914 855283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that there's work on paraconsistent logics and for the time being I'm pretty happy to keep my knowledge of such logics on that level.
< 1514144917 843352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have some experience with weird logics generally
< 1514145506 953488 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? paraconsistent
< 1514145508 220355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paraconsistent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1514145549 713061 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn paraconsistent//There has been a lot of work on paraconsistent logics, although there hasn't been a lot of work on them.
< 1514145551 723149 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'paraconsistent': There has been a lot of work on paraconsistent logics, although there hasn't been a lot of work on them.
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< 1514146805 39829 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing follows from a contradiction.
< 1514146848 905042 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x => y) y might be true if it's independent from x
< 1514146850 942789 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1514146872 78895 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 is even => there are an infinite number of primes
< 1514146895 629424 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that there are an infinite number of primes
< 1514146912 743739 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's wrong to follow that from the assumption that 9 is even.
< 1514146987 560330 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 is even => 7 is even
< 1514147100 192212 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X exists then Y exists.
< 1514147109 531372 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If X doesn't exist you've just proven that Y doesn't exist.
< 1514147122 299194 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an acceptable conclusion.
< 1514147135 499035 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X exists then Y exists. If Y exists then Z exists.
< 1514147149 897192 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If X doesn't exist then Z doesn't exist.
< 1514147154 329830 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an invalid conclusion.
< 1514147166 188561 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z might exist independently
< 1514147182 61894 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X exists then Y exists. If Y exists then Z exists. If Z exists then X doesn't exist.
< 1514147233 928755 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z only exists if and only if Y exists and Y only exists if and only if X exist. They might exist independently of course, but you'd have to prove that independently.
< 1514147274 575456 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since X doesn't exist if Z exists but Z exists if X exists
< 1514147319 128016 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just can't possibly work.
< 1514147364 367603 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can work if it follows directly
< 1514147422 20364 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like uhm
< 1514147463 211122 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a > b then c > d if c > d then a < b
< 1514147508 523210 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if a < b then you don't know whether c > d thus you can't know whether a < b
< 1514147547 240968 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only show that a < b if you know for certain that c > d
< 1514147548 995780 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't
< 1514147559 186317 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because c > d is only valid if a > b
< 1514147586 726006 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in essence
< 1514147593 774696 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know nothing about whether a > b or a < b
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< 1514147980 107491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so apparently, the recursion achievement is unlocked by unlocking the recursion achievement. that's good to know.
< 1514148274 54058 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sounds obvious in hindsight
< 1514148406 965039 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this sounds wrong.
< 1514148410 198157 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a better example.
< 1514148451 735894 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument doesn't work there.
< 1514148465 137604 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly allows you to conclude that a > b can't be true.
< 1514148637 424514 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if  were true then there would exist  showing ! 
< 1514148640 883599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the corecursion achievement?
< 1514148643 35857 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus  isn't true.
< 1514148681 894069 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if  exists then there would exist  showing  does not exist.
< 1514148717 260335 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1514148721 135064 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys were right.
< 1514148724 116259 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the same thing.
< 1514148780 790231 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in any Case, whether anything would exist or not, there still would be the pointed Brackets
< 1514148786 710658 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metadata > Data
< 1514148823 798133 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sounds weird
< 1514148831 369341 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the word exists makes my brain jump to physical things
< 1514148841 325947 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hard to convince your brain about hypothetical physical things that do not exist
< 1514148859 351230 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brains are physical, but Spirit is not necessarily
< 1514148879 265572 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, You have an infinite Number of Heads
< 1514148933 272641 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the existence of H would prove its own inexistence.
< 1514148949 721135 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is proven in Robert Anton Wilson's „Quantum Psychology“
< 1514148973 289540 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i got two different Instances of the Book, and both disappeared
< 1514148993 154141 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then last Year i tried to order one additional Copy as a Gift for my Sister
< 1514148999 257544 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did not arrive
< 1514149012 354158 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe we actually all have zero Heads ☺
< 1514149075 755828 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1782/
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< 1514149770 466449 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1514149774 677475 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still better than slack.
< 1514149814 58520 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't be in multiple teams in the same tab in slack
< 1514149815 362198 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weak
< 1514149843 242039 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 QUIT :Quit: well good night anyway
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< 1514150188 496394 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : But i got two different Instances of the Book, and both disappeared <-- that sounds like a non-unitary evolution to me, are you sure it's quantum?
< 1514150554 167225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was a way of telling shachaf that I've obtained a copy of "Recursed".
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< 1514151840 165708 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( curses, foiled again )
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< 1514154733 357150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you get the achievement?
< 1514154769 48631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes.
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< 1514161698 96069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zxcvs
< 1514161852 761732 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how is environmental station alpha? I haven't played it yet
< 1514162360 386192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you should wait until it's at least beta )
> 1514162888 359357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What the fuck is the Internet?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53657&oldid=53618 5* 03JayCampbell 5* (+2563) 10Added language spec and hello world example
< 1514163759 963995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: Seems to have some minor issues under WINE
< 1514163775 729280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still probably playable? But I got annoyed and scrapped.
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< 1514184221 549931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 whoa whoa whoa, https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/unstable-mechanics-2017-11-13
< 1514184221 637985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1514184227 201526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be behind the times.
< 1514184563 698419 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing to note: the contraptions are not silver-bordered cards.
< 1514184602 256886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1514184633 35310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they still aren't legal in any format, though, unless they're reprinted in another set?
< 1514184649 467814 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1514184659 196573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just heard about this new unset
< 1514184689 184753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garbage Elemental seems like a good card.
< 1514184693 122202 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way to assemble a contraption in black-bordered Magic ATM, so even *if* you brought a contraption deck into a Vintage game you couldn't do anything with them.
< 1514184783 910436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the cards that assemble contraptions are still silver-bordered?
< 1514184787 565351 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1514184837 977673 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From an interview with Maro, the design of the contraptions and their mechanics are supposed to be something they at least *could* put into black-bordered Magic at some point.
< 1514184887 269767 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's half a joke because Un-, and half a design experiment to see if people like playing with it.
< 1514184944 159093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at that many of the cards but this unset seems to have more of a real set feel than previous ones.
< 1514184957 54640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mechanics seem plausible or nearly plausible
< 1514184969 756669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe most of the old sets were that way too and I just know the extreme cases
< 1514185019 71968 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This un- set was designed to be drafted by itself; previous sets were designed to only ever be drafted as a single pack added to a draft.
< 1514185027 332433 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even the latter as an afterthought)
< 1514185107 827658 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the individual mechanics in this are a touch weird, still.
< 1514185122 783132 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on the whole I think it's more "normal" because it's supposed to be played all on its own.
< 1514185283 273343 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439497 Also, I love this card.
< 1514185449 486179 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439617 And this one's pretty normal mechanically, except it's apparently a god-damned headache to rewrite the comprehensive rules to allow for it.
< 1514185492 856706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that mechanic was already printed once?
< 1514185497 124025 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1514185525 73668 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maro *tried* to print it in Future Sight.
< 1514185534 498856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it was only discussed.
< 1514185600 560821 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the biggest rules-headache mechanic in this, though, is deceptively simple.
< 1514185606 809648 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may have cards in hand that you do not own.
< 1514185619 150739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, really?
< 1514185650 747095 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. There's a card which lets you put target non-land permanent in *your* hand.
< 1514185671 61417 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439422
< 1514185671 863270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mary O'Kill?
< 1514185682 360804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1514185719 453599 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that is another card that does that thing, yes.
< 1514185763 861485 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds simple, but ow.
< 1514185904 92154 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439409
< 1514185905 724910 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jesus
< 1514185961 239403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man
< 1514185990 180473 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that's only permanents.
< 1514186002 784305 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It breaks things harder if it applies to spells and abilities.
< 1514186296 528944 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439486 I also like this one.
< 1514186349 51327 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439520 Also, Robo Rally the card.
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< 1514191758 669595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, there's http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&name=+[Very]+[Cryptic]+[Command] too
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< 1514191791 747267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 makes more sense with that in mind
< 1514191797 962612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's intentionally cryptic
< 1514192323 533010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the draw ruling for The Countdown is At One at https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 doesn't make sense to me
< 1514192331 53437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they rewrote the card after writing that?
< 1514192451 535384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/167777120838/is-the-faq-correct-about-the-countdown-is-at-one
< 1514192862 408673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess they're doing it on purpose
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< 1514193682 226985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh man, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439449
> 1514194221 48836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain-Flak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53658&oldid=53567 5* 03Wheatwizard 5* (+61) 10/* Interpreters */ Added BrainFlog interpreter to the list
< 1514194503 973713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439452
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< 1514196972 761626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, there are a bunch of these
< 1514197682 941647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh boy, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=X
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< 1514198336 110450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 In https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 , an interpretation is given to "destroy target player"
< 1514198336 156901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1514198371 187336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 ( 16.06.17:23:16:04  (It also says "destroy target player"; of course only permanents can be destroyed, not players.) )
< 1514198371 233879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1514198446 47903 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( suggesting that players are fleeting? )
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< 1514198523 126204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1514198528 392975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf
< 1514198531 656516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new Unset is pretty good
< 1514198536 772138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard about it until now
< 1514198547 646424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you've only just seen it? it's been out for a while
< 1514198553 388867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some things there I'm dubious about
< 1514198555 739028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been keeping up
< 1514198593 686271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which things?
< 1514198611 207367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more interesting mechanics than "assemble a contraption", I think, though it's good to have a meaning for that
< 1514198664 839350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16.06.26:18:46:07  it probably doesn't work rules-grammatically, but the best design I've seen has "assemble a Contraption" mean "place a Contraption artifact token into play", and the cards that assemble contraptions have static abilities that grant abilities to contraptions
< 1514198678 566891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a pretty good guess
< 1514198723 9736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you've even talked about contraptions in this channel in November. I guess I wasn't looking.
< 1514198731 653321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually upset with the way contraptions were done, because there doesn't seem to be any rules-mechanical reason for contraptions to be assembled /by/ a particular source
< 1514198753 417766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's a bit strange.
< 1514198763 187810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it says you assemble a contraption and sometimes it says a creature does it.
< 1514198771 797147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with the present design it'd be easy enough to make that work
< 1514198787 516614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that could be different with future assemblers.
< 1514198793 477520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also strongly expected protection to protect a contraption from being assembled by a creature it had protection from, but that wouldn't work at all in the current ruels
< 1514198825 631327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a suspicion that unconstructed isn't very balanced
< 1514198833 830726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you restrict it to just Unstable
< 1514198837 305316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably a limited-only set
< 1514198865 734490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpossible
< 1514198943 529119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they errata'd the half-squirrel half-pony combo to not work, which was a) definitely needed but b) a sign that they didn't really test properly
< 1514198989 409226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like half the overly cheap instant win combos recently have involved infinitely blinking the same creature, so you think they'd have a check to catch repeatable blink effects /specifically/
< 1514198999 705731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, same permanent
< 1514199116 6221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can Summon the Pack and get an R&D's Secret Lair
< 1514199164 64783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised that they changed the Oracle text for Cheatyface.
< 1514199186 309393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they did it for all of Unhinged?
< 1514199201 963116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the cards refer to the battlefield and so on
< 1514199239 873305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they were really slow on that but they did it eventually
< 1514199276 165461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also errata'd R&D's Secret Lair as a joke, even though the errata wouldn't do anything (because IIRC it only works while the card's on the battlefield)
< 1514199330 516269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the Unstable cards lets you activate tap abilities in people's hands.
< 1514199342 344656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, only for that one specific card.
< 1514199348 670267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no conceptual problem with that, just a logistical awkwardness
< 1514199368 877564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ninja card that can be in the hand and on the battlefield simultaneously is involved in a lot of "do weird thing X in zone Y" combos
< 1514199391 310506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This mana is still added to your mana pool."
< 1514199407 443455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that even trying to change?
< 1514199431 782438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which card's that on? Gatherer's down at the moment
< 1514199470 79141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new R&D's Secret Lair
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< 1514199509 692222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the whole Oracle text?
< 1514199544 877762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Play cards as written. Ignore all errata. Tap: Add Colorless to your mana pool. This mana is still added to your mana pool."
< 1514199547 983155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And flavor text.)
< 1514199568 723738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's because you can't add {1} to your mana pool under modern rules, so it got errata'd to add {C}
< 1514199580 180363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you ignore all errata, it'd go back to adding {1} which arguably doesn't work
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< 1514199629 18348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the rules don't allow that at all?
< 1514199638 929687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes sense because all the Oracle texts were updated anyway.
< 1514199672 281121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, {1} simply isn't a type of mana, so what would it do?
< 1514199685 379476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like trying to add {T} to your mana pool
< 1514199691 541134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is totally something they should do in a future unset)
< 1514199701 54925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it makes sense, I just hadn't thought about it.
< 1514199728 537085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you add {T} and {Q} to your mana pool they can cancel out.
< 1514199734 345738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any uncards have negative mana?
< 1514199914 368282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm aware of
< 1514201028 114666 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add a {-} kind of mana that can't be held in the mana pool at the same time as any other mana
< 1514201062 442459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the point, they got rid of mana burn ages ago
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> 1514204114 232563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53659&oldid=53642 5* 03Ais523 5* (-11) 10/* T */ +[[Tableaux]]
> 1514204119 514873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tableaux14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53660 5* 03Ais523 5* (+17101) 10new language!
> 1514204157 516395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53661&oldid=53630 5* 03Ais523 5* (+14) 10+[[Tableaux]]
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< 1514204182 304448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to pin down the details of that language for /ages/
< 1514204189 470203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 17K, wow
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< 1514204206 547500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may well be bugs in the example programs because it's hard to reason about Tableaux and very hard to write an interpreter
< 1514204223 714421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, impossible – it's uncomputable – but it should be possible to write an interpreter that works on many useful programs, just difficult)
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< 1514204249 231421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way the language is closer to mathematics than most are, it's so high-level for a tarpit
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< 1514204271 858135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"find a counterexample to the Erdős discrepancy problem" is not the sort of thing that can be easily expressed in brainfuck :-P
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< 1514206115 629927 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: questions about tableaux: a) I think your "put it another way" confuses y and y' b) why is prefix-determinism not just saying that the tableaus are uniquely determined by the leftmost column, since it holds for all n?
< 1514206315 283874 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: because the first element of the first column determines the whole first row
< 1514206356 371398 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: which I found hard to understand in the formal definition (I didn't read it carefully enough), but it's kind of explained as part of the addition example
< 1514206407 937669 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why is it expressed in terms of finite n
< 1514206415 983328 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just saying that
< 1514206432 203802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: because it extends to arbitrary prefixes of the first column
< 1514206455 272316 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1514206461 37316 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread, ok
< 1514206465 864179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: the values first n rows only depend on the first n entries of the first column, for any n. but that's basically how it's written
< 1514206491 414026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who I scrambled that sentence a bit :)
< 1514206493 292289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1514206609 709620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
> 1514206680 763247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tableaux14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53662&oldid=53660 5* 03Int-e 5* (+27) 10clarify
< 1514206692 662597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: it's stronger than saying that it's uniquely determined by the leftmost column
< 1514206702 635776 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1514206704 541335 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread
< 1514206705 319049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that the first n rows are uniquely determined by their leftmost column
< 1514206711 448785 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said first n columns
< 1514206730 334373 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: I hope it's clearer now.
< 1514206759 193981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because, in fact, I read "its first column" to refer to the tableau's first column...)
< 1514206794 310793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, indeed, the ''n'' becomes quite useless.
> 1514206914 674186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tableaux14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53663&oldid=53662 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1) 10add missing '
< 1514207007 623721 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, that message may be confusing because the effect is to change an y' into an y. In the source, they're ''y' and ''y''.)
> 1514207340 27053 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Weirdlang 5*  10New user account
> 1514207432 471797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53664&oldid=53653 5* 03Weirdlang 5* (+99) 10
< 1514207558 19179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, figured it out
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< 1514209383 656986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in terms of un-cards, there are some I really don't like, e.g. Ol' Buzzbark not only causes a huge number of problems both in terms of rules and practicalities, but is apparently brokenly powerful too
> 1514209446 729373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APLWSI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53665 5* 03Weirdlang 5* (+309) 10Created page with "'''APLWSI''' ('''A Programming Language With Smallest Interpreter''') - very simple programming language. Any program in this language is comments. APLWSI interpreter is empty..."
> 1514209555 891005 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53666&oldid=53174 5* 03Weirdlang 5* (+73) 10
> 1514209635 237296 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:APLWSI14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53667 5* 03Ais523 5* (+432) 10incompletely specified
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< 1514210156 809219 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international christmas for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1514210210 327469 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry Christmas to you latecomers
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< 1514210432 350619 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm only 7 nicks i know are bots, the channel is slipping. although a couple others look suspiciously botlike.
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< 1514210530 500956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see the new language I posted?
< 1514210532 369441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a bot either
< 1514210567 283616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an uncomputable tarpit, and incredibly powerful for a tarpit in terms of what programs you can write in it (this is probably related to the fact it's uncomputable)
< 1514210570 292584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily should revive metasepia
< 1514210646 283573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the other bots got upset because people abused HackEgo for trivial things rather than esoprogramming
< 1514210703 486113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my assessment of bots here: clog, esowiki, fungot, HackEgo, j-bot, lambdabot, zemhill_, so 7
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< 1514210703 829318 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just come up against the power switch, since there's so much more
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< 1514210789 493712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, fungot is right; we do have a lot more bots, we just have to turn them on
< 1514210789 850005 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that waz nice ( fin) it doesn't look like i did
< 1514211310 333253 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1514211310 473597 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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< 1514211627 195728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sentient
< 1514211629 612692 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :645)  I'm not biased towards humanity over sentient .txt files. \ 1255)  fungot's irc is the uncanny semi-sentient style... where one can typically read half a sentence before noticing anything wrong   int-e: yes, i know
< 1514211768 860539 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: hi!
< 1514211799 494097 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( which bot spams when I do this?
< 1514211799 624773 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:24:
< 1514211799 671228 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |
< 1514211799 671251 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 | which bot spams when I do this?
< 1514211799 671262 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |                        ^
< 1514211799 671270 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected 'd'14↵…
< 1514211803 54398 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1514211815 153088 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty spammy
> 1514214396 790021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53668&oldid=53664 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10That
< 1514214417 758794 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s a pretty bad time to accidentally press enter
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< 1514214431 327432 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well the edit was right
< 1514215060 32953 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: put differently, a tableaux is determined by a function that takes a list of y non-negative integers and an x, and returns a non-negative integer.
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< 1514215100 785280 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo some off-by-one indexing errors
< 1514215151 920485 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(restating the rules)
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< 1514215927 221721 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so N^+ x N -> N, hmm
< 1514216640 734187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let tableau f cs x y = if x == 0 then cs !! y else f (take (y+1) cs) (x-1) in tableau
< 1514216641 810353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq t, Num t) => ([a] -> t -> a) -> [a] -> t -> Int -> a
< 1514216712 865174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idea: f defines the tableaux; cs is the first column)
< 1514216892 298724 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514217118 919137 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cthulhu seems to always get the raw deal in irregular webcomic!.
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< 1514217738 53765 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Humorously, the reason they didn't check for cheap instant win combos like that is *probably* pretty simple.
< 1514217751 229167 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set was completed in 2014 and shelved.
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< 1514220608 477231 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh my brain is _not_ ready to understand the tableaux examples.
< 1514220986 194624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'd turn the equation  +[0, +[1,0]] = [0, 2+[1,0]]  around, so that it becomes a recursive definition: tableau[0][x+2] = tableau[0][x+1]+1; note that tableau[0][1] is one of the inputs
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< 1514221167 976199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess addition isn't the real problem here...
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< 1514221699 58906 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy to the world
< 1514221701 267952 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something has come.
< 1514221788 34502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the @ are quite nasty, and the flow of information is evil as well
< 1514222067 974282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‎<‎oerjan‎>‎ ais523: put differently, a tableaux is determined by a function that takes a list of y non-negative integers and an x, and returns a non-negative integer. ← oh, I like that
< 1514222383 126114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a [0, 2+[1,0]] = [1, +[2,1]]; missing in the multiplication part of the compositeness test?
< 1514222413 5227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, I had to move it out of the @1
< 1514222418 965757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it refers to a line /before/ the mutliplier
< 1514222425 746384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*multiplier
< 1514222445 286307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the [2, 3+[0,1]] = [1, 2+[2,0]] on the line above
< 1514222445 455199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's why
< 1514222465 965180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we need a more readable syntax for function arguments
< 1514222488 807885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. allowing decrements as well as increments if they'd be cancelled out by implicit increments
< 1514222505 566748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, tarpits tend to not be that readable no matter what you do
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< 1514226145 67409 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( a bit too much waxing and waning, here )
< 1514226348 334968 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :joyerjanoël!
< 1514226378 724345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: didn't you mention reviving metasepia a while ago?
< 1514226387 214572 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bod july
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< 1514226604 814199 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :joyi nt-ël!
< 1514226622 622078 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did mention it, and it's been haunting me since...
< 1514226635 886665 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably going to rewrite it in rust or something.
< 1514226672 588017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :joyeaux boiy
< 1514226734 599084 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :joyhellooëchaf!
< 1514228051 320562 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The porthellingularity will happen when boily starts making a porthello and cannot stop braiding in more and more words.
< 1514228053 337960 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'porthellingularity': The porthellingularity will happen when boily starts making a porthello and cannot stop braiding in more and more words.
< 1514228102 553417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as porthell
< 1514228136 544770 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's way too short tdnh
< 1514228136 591318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i made a punhello with no acknowledgement tdnh
< 1514228158 572065 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when?
< 1514228163 580267 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Will Usher In A New Age, The Harbinger Of Doom, The Mashing Of All Words Together.
< 1514228171 225610 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think “joyeaux”?
< 1514228181 807103 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :very subtle, much French.
< 1514228219 908675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"joyeaux boiy"
< 1514228274 3262 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot acknowledge what i don't understand.
< 1514228303 210938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "boily" \\ "l" -- hth
< 1514228304 927065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "boiy"
< 1514228309 908324 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh.
< 1514228329 714134 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. “\\” works on strings?
< 1514228344 521890 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's not supposed to be an "a", i just (re)learned.
< 1514228354 716173 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn joyeau
< 1514228355 943870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "joyeau".
< 1514228359 36872 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh.
< 1514228359 779157 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: strings are perfectly good lists hth
< 1514228364 401327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there isn't
< 1514228366 984696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#scow
< 1514228394 418378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my defense, correct french spelling is uncomputable
< 1514228422 391858 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives shachaf a mercy swat -----###

< 1514228438 725464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need your pity swats
< 1514228487 172847 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you were probably mislead by some confusing tableaux.
< 1514228487 261946 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves

< 1514228505 37884 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :joyerca noëh!
< 1514228508 901636 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks, that was the word i was looking for
< 1514228523 859660 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn joyau
< 1514228524 891718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "joyau".
< 1514228527 451772 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin là.
< 1514228533 658537 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercahello
< 1514228559 684048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1514228560 778925 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
< 1514228592 329457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swran s/amortized/pity/;s/ he / we /
< 1514228593 63384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swran: not found
< 1514228593 218219 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's no more uncomputable by english.
< 1514228603 77841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/amortized/pity/;s/ he / we /
< 1514228604 938823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "pity" so we put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
< 1514228618 383235 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity to lose amortized
< 1514228622 459591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1514228623 762187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1514228624 846861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1514228641 778946 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still an omnidryad. can you, like, teleport into all forests in the worlds?
< 1514228655 971067 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: how's life in your part of canadia?
< 1514228665 468262 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i haven't tried
< 1514228686 813559 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't i need, like, magic slippers or something
< 1514228703 229800 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than
< 1514228728 868608 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think b_jonas's prepositions may be infectious
< 1514228782 805974 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a reindeer? or a mysterious slice of brunost?
< 1514228821 330120 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have either
< 1514228857 246787 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nutella balls and coke zero
< 1514228883 825912 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sips

< 1514228924 424035 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding reindeer, see today's xkcd hth
< 1514228951 681604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :king fizzie and his reigndeer
< 1514228963 730904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits zzo38
< 1514228972 375801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitïa
< 1514229656 567825 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514229794 998703 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...
< 1514229995 394683 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie
< 1514229996 471066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
< 1514230026 34971 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd fizzie//s/^/King /
< 1514230027 793240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie//King fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
< 1514230096 255853 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514230613 203627 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514231786 236464 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-205-194.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1514231982 192401 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-205-194.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514232009 32100 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-205-194.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Client Quit
< 1514232041 708626 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-205-194.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514232802 72673 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :cosntant
< 1514232805 570324 :cosntant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1514233724 368713 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514234011 386217 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero
< 1514234086 211966 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: CARBONIFEROUS CHICKEN
< 1514235218 344343 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514236471 971245 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:1426:998c:b44b:81fb QUIT :Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY -- Suicide is Painless - Johnny Mandel
< 1514236857 699939 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-205-194.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1514236898 405733 :fnodeuser!~irssiuser@ppp-2-86-205-194.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514237701 75667 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514237723 714023 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514237794 943874 :mroman!b2c5e91e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.197.233.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1514237985 810788 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238051 21941 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry Christmas every body
< 1514238089 46178 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry christmas
< 1514238093 217156 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome herrdeutschland 
< 1514238094 351198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :herrdeutschland: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1514238101 841115 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you ^^ 
< 1514238111 771678 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which language do you program here
< 1514238128 255053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the little minor languages that nobody else uses
< 1514238134 808959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because they're completely insane
< 1514238152 476452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode has hundreds of channels for useful languages, the useless ones need one of their own :-)
< 1514238171 199044 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hehe 
< 1514238185 605971 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i m actually a face surgeon but as a hobby i program in python
< 1514238192 916960 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514238215 153975 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238227 656686 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb hakatashi
< 1514238274 927528 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514238292 448263 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238295 631211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect they're having connection trouble
< 1514238303 387400 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514238313 569553 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not leap to conclusions
< 1514238322 433851 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238347 609109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it strikes me that uncomputable languages say something really deep about maths
< 1514238347 741361 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hakatashi you ip is showing
< 1514238387 333223 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any programming language is just about learning the basics of how 0 1 act
< 1514238389 869871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a Turing-computable language, you can just calculate it mechanically; that doesn't really prove anything and compiler quality doesn't really matter, you just get the correct output by following the algorithm
< 1514238405 344354 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :herrdeutschland: so is yours
< 1514238424 662922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an uncomputable language, you can't do that, so the more maths the implementation understands, the more programs it can handle
< 1514238453 273438 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i learned batch programming once ,and as i learned it i discovered it s the same like dos commands but written in a code
< 1514238485 238435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the vast majority of mainstream languages work in much the same way
< 1514238490 406113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in terms of control flow
< 1514238502 254390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does HackEgo know Prolog?
< 1514238503 870787 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly 
< 1514238508 814500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gprolog
< 1514238509 402226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gprolog: not found
< 1514238512 253943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prolog
< 1514238512 852769 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: prolog: not found
< 1514238515 390641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1514238531 783400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some languages that work completely differently to the mainstream though
< 1514238547 474835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%3F is my new favourite example
< 1514238558 215657 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python programming is like learning english
< 1514238586 684701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swipl
< 1514238587 299328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swipl: not found
< 1514238592 944137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, Python is a lot more explicit than English
< 1514238607 197262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWI-Prolog is what my former university's Prolog course used.
< 1514238612 312184 :herrdeutschland!~root@194.58.11.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i m just having troubles with classes 
< 1514238614 708167 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d interp/*pro*
< 1514238615 643104 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access interp/*pro*: No such file or directory
< 1514238621 730781 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d interp/*pl*
< 1514238622 595082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access interp/*pl*: No such file or directory
< 1514238625 822071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfing languages are much closer to English because they leave a lot more implicit and are often a lot more context-sensitive
< 1514238633 103055 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1514238638 860937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/!
< 1514238639 540694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f1` \ ARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"
< 1514238640 773895 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls interp
< 1514238641 592743 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access interp: No such file or directory
< 1514238643 157972 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514238647 733543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d ibin/*pro*
< 1514238648 661168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access ibin/*pro*: No such file or directory
< 1514238648 783366 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d interps/*pl*
< 1514238649 721966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps/kipple
< 1514238654 945313 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d interps/*pro*
< 1514238655 728557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access interps/*pro*: No such file or directory
< 1514238662 692913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -d ibin/*pl*
< 1514238663 597037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/kipple
< 1514238664 371105 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238671 773999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are interps and ibin actually just the same directory?
< 1514238677 510170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -ld interps
< 1514238678 394880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 38 5000 0 4096 Oct 28  2016 interps
< 1514238682 53326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -ld ibin
< 1514238682 916368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Jan 27  2017 ibin
< 1514238705 376245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not, I guess ibin is for the wrapper scripts and interps contains the core?
< 1514238710 413213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1514238715 62384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm basing this theory off link count)
< 1514238722 364282 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514238744 384095 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238748 575858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/kipple
< 1514238749 234968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_stdin ./interps/kipple/cipple.bin
< 1514238751 788085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're mostly like that.
< 1514238755 85335 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1514238806 614670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never kippled before
< 1514238822 591494 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514238835 513236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple is basically just a readable syntax for a multiple-stack stack machine
< 1514238841 268676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Kipple
< 1514238843 448228 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238875 517322 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514238885 475917 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
< 1514238893 477206 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514238924 741811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, several of the links there go to the old home of the Esoteric File Archive and thus no longer work
< 1514238942 862396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of fixing it I'm just going to complain on IRC in the hope that someone else does
< 1514238964 387467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good tactic
< 1514238975 625279 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hakatashi: *cough*
< 1514238984 873568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is the expert on that
> 1514239054 208902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kipple14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53669&oldid=35437 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ Link to the github-hosted copy of the file archive.
< 1514239055 710316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I stopped doing it, didn't I?
< 1514239063 718935 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1514239070 795459 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
< 1514239101 676446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is mollified
< 1514239123 557458 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, hakatashi just stopped pinging out just as i had my finger on the button...
< 1514239147 83403 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514239155 251226 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
< 1514239164 696312 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1514239182 735389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kipple14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53670&oldid=53669 5* 03Ais523 5* (+7) 10/* Computational class */ fix the other external link to the Esoteric Files Archive, too
< 1514239205 866935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder at what point we're going to make a template like {{catseye}} for that
< 1514239210 77568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, i can never remember the correct syntax on the first try
< 1514239213 127691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was a bit of a special case
< 1514239235 458238 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514239244 947357 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :hakatashi!*@*$#fix_your_connection
< 1514239247 896709 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1514239252 846399 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
< 1514239253 860996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could just go and fix everything returned from Special:LinkSearch for "http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files".
< 1514239271 324383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only 68 matches.
< 1514239285 768182 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there was one case where i recently chose to link to wayback _instead_ of the github. namely your underload page
< 1514239303 520205 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the github doesn't render html or javascript
< 1514239344 267017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the exception, all these others are to directories or text-y files.
< 1514239348 671968 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1514239395 51127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's one HTML file, the 1l spec.
< 1514239432 495104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't it ##fix_your_connection?
< 1514239433 932097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not?
< 1514239448 705965 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my first try was #fixyourconnection
< 1514239460 119920 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the parts i can never get right on the first try
< 1514239467 824412 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this one didn't complain.
< 1514239471 79960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even part of the syntax, technically :-P
< 1514239484 535273 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing is i forget the channel name.
> 1514239498 129884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53671&oldid=31083 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514239500 665070 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i used to forget if it was -b or +b
< 1514239527 922955 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a character missing in esowiki's output
> 1514239529 811189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ADJUST14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53672&oldid=36069 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514239556 387826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Archway14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53673&oldid=40415 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514239583 523547 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so
> 1514239594 880138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Argh!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53674&oldid=43447 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514239598 703679 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode   
< 1514239599 588072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE]
> 1514239622 531857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aura14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53675&oldid=30361 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514239642 659126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not `unidecode
> 1514239686 751753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Beatnik14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53676&oldid=46219 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514239704 477785 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because i remembered the abbreviation hth
> 1514239745 499362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53677&oldid=53318 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+14) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514239782 427479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Beturing14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53678&oldid=13148 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514239821 211446 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BitChanger14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53679&oldid=7934 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514239908 129146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53680&oldid=52846 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+28) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240015 74642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53681&oldid=52196 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+21) 10esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240106 736643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jannis Harder14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53682&oldid=13216 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+20) 10esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github (and fix typo in link)
> 1514240170 514509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CHIQRSX9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53683&oldid=45210 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+11) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240216 435246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Foobar and Foobaz and Barbaz, oh my!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53684&oldid=40482 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240268 567120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FukYorBrane14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53685&oldid=39369 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+21) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240323 291167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Glass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53686&oldid=53170 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240365 607958 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Glypho14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53687&oldid=47055 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240440 982251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HighFive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53688&oldid=18211 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240477 876484 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Homespring14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53689&oldid=35165 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
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> 1514240508 149189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hunter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53690&oldid=18166 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240544 811604 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iag14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53691&oldid=43714 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240584 868715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kayak14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53692&oldid=33378 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240629 890624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LNUSP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53693&oldid=17439 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240665 746409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Muriel14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53694&oldid=30815 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240700 203178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mycelium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53695&oldid=20074 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240734 936104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Network Headache14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53696&oldid=30364 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240766 844596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NULL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53697&oldid=50535 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240797 656389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ORK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53698&oldid=46412 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240866 4745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Prelude14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53699&oldid=50814 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+14) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240904 399003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PROLAN/M14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53700&oldid=30806 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240941 186715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Qdeql14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53701&oldid=36067 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514240973 56917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhotor14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53702&oldid=38758 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514241001 351582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sbeezg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53703&oldid=35552 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514241036 32256 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whelp, I created a paradox
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> 1514241059 780432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sceql14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53704&oldid=36070 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+14) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514241095 429066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Smurf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53705&oldid=34328 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514241136 894195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SNUSP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53706&oldid=42815 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514241158 261037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Which level?
> 1514241169 910399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Extensions to SNUSP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53707&oldid=30366 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+14) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514241184 178855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the solution for... Well, I oughtn't spoil anything
< 1514241207 248616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone over at PPCG was wondering why SNUSP of all things had so many derivatives
> 1514241246 538338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sortle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53708&oldid=40083 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+28) 10esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
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< 1514241262 968927 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't think I've ever seen SNUSP before
> 1514241278 837398 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53709&oldid=53367 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
< 1514241280 189943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just BF with Befunge control flow
< 1514241293 127194 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1514241405 793869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm really curious as to whether Rectangular SNUSP can square numbers in the 17..255 range to produce a number greater than 256
> 1514241414 264734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53710&oldid=50439 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-22) 10esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github (plus fix intra-wiki link done as external)
< 1514241451 887753 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Deadfish style?
> 1514241454 513643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Thutu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53711&oldid=35040 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+8) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
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< 1514241475 151494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: right
> 1514241498 77257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wierd14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53712&oldid=38706 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+14) 10esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514241530 391069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ZOMBIE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53713&oldid=12686 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* External resources */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
> 1514241596 554889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Gregor Richards14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53714&oldid=30559 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github
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> 1514241662 944799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sortle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53715&oldid=53708 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+7) 10/* Quine */ esoteric.voxelperfect.net  github, missed one
< 1514241680 857174 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( who needs spammers )
< 1514241723 424033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The remaining main namespace pages with links (1L_a and Gammaplex) have some to HTML files.
< 1514242003 247684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: somewhere in the ruins
< 1514242014 205128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I wasn't trying to.
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< 1514244926 142751 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...
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< 1514261346 769619 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator NICK :readability
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< 1514267653 686344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes I know now there is card that says "destroy target player", and originally it was no meaning. I think the FAQ for Unstable says that now a player can also be destroyed not only permanents, and the effect of destroying a player is that that player loses the game.
< 1514267709 812511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1514267836 737510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that since a player can be destroyed, it can also potentially be regenerated, have indestructible, etc; such things would probably be useful only against this one effect.)
< 1514268792 835887 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cadd?
< 1514268794 341356 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* card
< 1514268798 865070 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game
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< 1514268895 399714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Gathering cards
< 1514269318 469614 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
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< 1514274571 829850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to implement Fermat's Last Theorem in Tableaux or not?
< 1514274604 223630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without using Wiles's proof)
< 1514275219 164478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can solve halting problem then perhaps so, since, a program can take four natural numbers (a,b,c,n) and then check if (a+1)^(n+3)+(b+1)^(n+3)=(c+1)^(n+3) and if so then it halts; you can try all combinations by using Morton numbering or some other way.
< 1514276673 352655 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1514280345 204460 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514280356 174860 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :05,07▄07,10▄08,05▄03,04▄03,03▄06,13▄03,05▄05,12▄07,11▄10,03▄08,06▄11,10▄10,06▄07 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT tzyyzlaf: augur puckipedia heroux Taneb Warrigal Hooloovo0 zemhill_ danieljabailey Vorpal ski FreeFull BooK_ hppavilion[1] LeoLambda Sgeo_ sdfgsdfg vertrex trn zzo38
< 1514280361 49673 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11,06▄13,09▄04,02▄08,02▄02,05▄03,10▄02,10▄04,06▄07,07▄05,07▄04,11▄12,05▄08,08▄03,02▄07,12▄13,06▄09 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT rirguj: Hooloovo0 ^arcade_droid readability fnodeuser tromp brandonson zgrepc zemhill_ pelegreno newsham Sgeo_ Melvar sdfgsdfg b_jonas 
< 1514280366 52891 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :09,03▄13,09▄08,05▄05,11▄02,12▄10,02▄03,02▄07,08▄08,11▄07,04▄05,06▄03 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT nmjtwff: grumble Warrigal jix ocharles hppavilion[1] newsham MDude GeekDude contrapumpkin heroux pikhq brandonson readability ski LeoLambda trn augur wishstudio rodgort Lymia vertrex Fr
< 1514280366 853867 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH
< 1514280371 21063 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :05,10▄08,03▄06,09▄12,10▄12,02▄13,11▄13,04▄02,12▄04,10▄03,04▄04,03▄12,05▄03,08▄10,09▄10,05▄09,09▄04,05▄06,05▄03,10▄05 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT mjzgeftcnb: Slereah_ hppavilion[1] danieljabailey garit puckipedia Melvar tromp dingbat Vorpal Sgeo_ trn 
< 1514280376 219398 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11,11▄03,06▄11,04▄07,06▄03,09▄10,05▄04,11▄06,12▄02,10▄04,10▄10,03▄12,08▄12,02▄10,07▄08,07▄02,05▄07,11▄03 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT ponqnms: BooK_ garit hppavilion[1] FreeFull Lymia Hooloovo0 quintopia wishstudio idris-bot puckipedia grumble vertrex pikhq M
< 1514280381 93042 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,02▄06,09▄03,06▄04,09▄06,08▄06,02▄08,12▄02,08▄08,13▄09,08▄06,03▄05,05▄06,08▄11,06▄04,09▄11,03▄03,10▄03,04▄12,06▄12,03▄13 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT hrwmhpr: heroux LeoLambda ski joast wishstudio contrapumpkin pelegreno hppavilion[1] GeekDude j
< 1514280386 131122 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,08▄10,08▄03,10▄02,06▄02,05▄12,11▄12,06▄12,11▄05,11▄04,05▄05,08▄07,06▄10,08▄11 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT yxfxvfmsr: jix BooK_ rodgort pelegreno ^arcade_droid Taneb zgrepc joast GeekDude Melvar pdxleif fnodeuser MDude Roger9 danieljabailey grumble lynn sebbu zemhill_ her
< 1514280391 125048 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :05,06▄13,03▄12,04▄08,04▄11,03▄04,12▄02,10▄04,03▄05,03▄06,02▄05,02▄02 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT xxsbrj: trn fungot ^arcade_droid sebbu sdfgsdfg grumble vertrex puckipedia hppavilion[1] zemhill_ Vorpal lynn Cale doesthiswork alercah garit Warrigal Hooloovo0 pikhq Slereah_ GeekDude 
< 1514280391 315847 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :raf314: i'll have to improvise 2
< 1514280396 131042 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :07,09▄06,09▄07,05▄08,05▄09,05▄07,05▄04,09▄11,04▄10,10▄11,09▄06,02▄06,10▄05,04▄05,03▄07 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT ihntzq: Lymia Cale newsham ski tromp ocharles zgrepc quintopia xa0 joast pikhq readability alercah Slereah_ zemhill_ idris-bot jix ATMunn Roger9 pelegreno 
< 1514280401 145856 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,03▄13,12▄03,12▄04,06▄08,11▄11,08▄02,09▄03,13▄06,06▄11,08▄11,05▄10,07▄11,03▄04,02▄07,09▄04,06▄08,13▄02,06▄10 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT labuscz: heroux zzo38 ^arcade_droid Vorpal sparr ATMunn Slereah_ Cale Taneb grumble MDude sebbu doesthiswork tromp 
< 1514280406 51757 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,12▄11,11▄12,12▄04,08▄02,02▄11,09▄08,06▄07,02▄07,13▄05,04▄13,08▄08,13▄06,07▄12,07▄10 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT fbbgi: idris-bot xa0 trn fungot danieljabailey pelegreno sparr fnodeuser jix grumble quintopia Roger9 rodgort doesthiswork Sgeo_ Taneb ocharles Melvar zzo3
< 1514280406 350630 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :raf314: i realized something important over the last couple of years ago.
< 1514280411 116263 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,05▄11,07▄02,03▄10,10▄06,09▄11,12▄04,11▄03,04▄08,09▄05,08▄09,08▄08,12▄03,11▄10,09▄02 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT pnwcdi: idris-bot sparr tromp pdxleif grumble newsham Sgeo_ pelegreno doesthiswork pikhq zgrepc FreeFull joast Taneb ATMunn jix fnodeuser garit Slereah_ zz
< 1514280416 104822 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13,03▄12,08▄09,06▄09,13▄07,09▄06,02▄10,02▄06,12▄02,03▄13,12▄07,04▄08,08▄13 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT vpkduv: jix danieljabailey fungot BooK_ wishstudio tromp Melvar lynn ocharles MDude fnodeuser b_jonas zzo38 augur newsham Lymia ski pdxleif trn readability vertrex Warrigal zg
< 1514280416 472909 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :raf314: soft is the strain when zephyr gently blows,
< 1514280421 249096 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,12▄09,12▄13,05▄05,09▄11,11▄07,10▄03,13▄11,07▄03,04▄08,05▄06 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT tzvwd: ski alercah newsham trn b_jonas tromp vertrex brandonson Taneb quintopia heroux rodgort fnodeuser zgrepc doesthiswork MDude Roger9 Slereah_ zemhill_ ocharles hppavilion[1] garit Vorpal puc
< 1514280426 92595 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :03,04▄06,03▄12,07▄11,02▄12,09▄02,11▄02,10▄07,02▄04,11▄06,05▄02,05▄08,05▄06,04▄13,02▄02,07▄07,12▄11,07▄03,09▄03,09▄13,05▄04 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT ayytnmexm: dingbat vertrex garit sdfgsdfg grumble Roger9 doesthiswork b_jonas trn contrapumpkin
< 1514280431 135369 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,08▄05,13▄07,11▄13,04▄05,10▄10,06▄05,11▄13,05▄06,10▄11,02▄02,09▄10 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT meslkg: Lymia fnodeuser joast heroux doesthiswork idris-bot Melvar sparr MDude sdfgsdfg Vorpal danieljabailey rodgort Roger9 b_jonas ski BooK_ augur Sgeo_ lynn zzo38 fungot newsham hppa
< 1514280431 290499 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :raf314: one blank line too much.
< 1514280436 390926 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,10▄08,07▄12,12▄02,04▄04,09▄13,09▄06,10▄03,05▄12,06▄09,06▄11,02▄11,03▄07,10▄02,12▄08 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT xenxkp: ^arcade_droid joast xa0 pelegreno danieljabailey GeekDude doesthiswork ocharles sebbu rodgort b_jonas Hooloovo0 Warrigal fnodeuser newsham garit al
< 1514280441 342047 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13,13▄04,05▄02,08▄09,08▄07,09▄03,08▄07,12▄10,07▄04,12▄05,13▄04,08▄09,11▄02,10▄12,11▄08 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT dzualzjr: idris-bot fnodeuser joast sparr Hooloovo0 b_jonas Sgeo_ heroux pelegreno Slereah_ Cale ATMunn xa0 zgrepc jix ski Warrigal Vorpal wishstudio sebbu
< 1514280446 256227 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :05,03▄03,05▄02,04▄09,10▄11,03▄05,11▄08,13▄10,09▄02,10▄10,09▄04,08▄12,13▄07,07▄10,03▄13,06▄09,07▄05 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT dvthtrsq: LeoLambda grumble quintopia vertrex tromp augur hppavilion[1] lynn Sgeo_ zzo38 heroux alercah sebbu b_jonas wishstudio ski AT
< 1514280451 305594 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,05▄06,11▄08,12▄02,08▄13,05▄06,10▄13,03▄09,03▄02,10▄10,06▄13,03▄10,05▄13 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT dmvur: newsham fungot puckipedia readability brandonson Sgeo_ Cale joast sebbu vertrex sdfgsdfg MDude Taneb garit ski xa0 tromp Melvar augur trn grumble Slereah_ hppavilion[1]
< 1514280456 368371 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :05,12▄10,09▄11,06▄13,03▄09,08▄02,09▄08,09▄06,08▄12,05▄10,13▄07,03▄11,05▄12,05▄08,04▄08,04▄03,13▄11,06▄05,11▄12,11▄12 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT ifdtvas: grumble rodgort Cale FreeFull fungot puckipedia brandonson vertrex alercah Sgeo_ sparr zzo38 b_j
< 1514280461 266753 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,05▄13,03▄06,04▄11,11▄03,05▄10,10▄07,02▄04,09▄09,10▄07,09▄08,10▄05,03▄07,06▄10 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT lcpygbqkl: b_jonas hppavilion[1] sdfgsdfg ocharles readability alercah rodgort sebbu quintopia fnodeuser GeekDude ATMunn tromp LeoLambda wishstudio newsham brandonso
< 1514280466 518745 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,10▄10,07▄07,11▄02,12▄04,12▄05,02▄09,10▄05,09▄07,03▄05,06▄10,07▄12,07▄08,06▄04,11▄11,08▄03,09▄06,07▄10,05▄13 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT gwdqjd: sebbu Cale ocharles zzo38 newsham Sgeo_ contrapumpkin Slereah_ danieljabailey alercah joast readability zgr
< 1514280471 309157 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13,06▄11,13▄12,13▄06,12▄12,05▄08,11▄05,06▄03,02▄09,02▄11,07▄05 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT tvfveis: puckipedia xa0 Warrigal newsham ocharles sparr pdxleif ^arcade_droid readability zemhill_ joast brandonson grumble alercah Sgeo_ MDude danieljabailey jix heroux Vorpal sdfgsdfg rodgort p
< 1514280476 464194 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,03▄06,06▄05,04▄12,04▄13,04▄03,13▄09,02▄06,05▄03,04▄04,06▄05,03▄06 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT iznlfpuf: zzo38 puckipedia dingbat ATMunn contrapumpkin lynn Vorpal pikhq sebbu Cale jix fnodeuser tromp heroux ^arcade_droid Sgeo_ joast GeekDude doesthiswork BooK_ LeoLambda Melvar Fr
< 1514280481 520673 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :07,02▄09,10▄11,11▄03,10▄09,11▄10,13▄06,11▄06,09▄06,04▄09,07▄12,02▄07,06▄06,13▄03,11▄11,04▄09,06▄04,03▄08,13▄02,11▄08 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT zsobnsu: puckipedia Warrigal BooK_ pelegreno Vorpal quintopia contrapumpkin tromp b_jonas Cale FreeFull t
< 1514280486 331831 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11,10▄02,06▄11,08▄04,11▄06,08▄06,04▄07,04▄13,03▄02,08▄13,02▄08,13▄07,10▄13 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT humnjmjlt: pdxleif danieljabailey idris-bot Hooloovo0 MDude sebbu sdfgsdfg joast xa0 sparr zemhill_ lynn Taneb LeoLambda trn zgrepc BooK_ Vorpal vertrex pelegreno jix ATMunn S
< 1514280491 568614 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,05▄13,05▄04,09▄08,12▄09,02▄02,11▄06,12▄08,13▄08,03▄07,08▄07,07▄09 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT enybhi: Lymia zgrepc trn MDude LeoLambda readability wishstudio garit lynn joast newsham Vorpal sdfgsdfg xa0 Cale Roger9 ATMunn pelegreno jix fungot idris-bot fnodeuser doesthiswork seb
< 1514280496 643566 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :06,10▄08,13▄04,11▄10,02▄05,07▄09,13▄10,08▄07,08▄07,10▄03,09▄04,11▄12,08▄13,10▄06,08▄03,13▄03,08▄05,06▄09,07▄05,13▄04,10▄10 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT fbkgsfsb: readability vertrex alercah jix ATMunn LeoLambda pikhq FreeFull Sgeo_ augur Warrigal 
< 1514280504 824950 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11,10▄02,06▄03,04▄12,05▄09,08▄04,04▄08,12▄11,05▄11,13▄12,13▄05,03▄08,06▄02,02▄07,06▄04,13▄13,03▄07,09▄08,10▄09,11▄11,13▄08 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT kxlzrnuw: sebbu Slereah_ Sgeo_ vertrex sparr brandonson FreeFull tromp jix ATMunn newsham ochar
< 1514280506 491973 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :06,03▄09,04▄05,04▄12,13▄11,03▄08,09▄09,09▄05,08▄06,07▄07,13▄07,09▄05,10▄12,06▄12,02▄08,08▄03,09▄04,10▄11,13▄02,02▄12,11▄04 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT apaow: pdxleif Taneb doesthiswork Vorpal MDude brandonson zzo38 zgrepc contrapumpkin sdfgsdfg p
< 1514280511 384206 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,12▄08,05▄08,08▄05,04▄08,05▄08,11▄10,08▄04,02▄07,05▄02,10▄02,04▄09,06▄11,08▄05,11▄07,13▄07,06▄04,03▄10,04▄13 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT eiduc: sdfgsdfg doesthiswork xa0 sparr wishstudio alercah LeoLambda Warrigal newsham ATMunn heroux Sgeo_ pikhq ^arc
< 1514280516 326359 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :08,04▄08,10▄13,04▄06,06▄13,13▄12,03▄08,10▄08,12▄05,11▄05,06▄08,09▄12,13▄09,13▄03 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT goszdo: alercah wishstudio garit heroux lynn Taneb Warrigal puckipedia sparr GeekDude Melvar FreeFull readability Lymia Slereah_ rodgort pdxleif b_jonas Vorpal quint
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< 1514280576 414350 :raf314!~tqqxdrf@pool-173-56-48-82.nycmny.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :06,05▄07,06▄10,02▄04,10▄06,08▄10,11▄04,02▄12,12▄02,12▄11,04▄08,03▄09,02▄03 DO YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR MAN SATISFIED DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK?? EL IS GIVING ANAL SEX TIPS IN ##FEMINISM RIGHT NOW DONT MISS IT wgpbb: vertrex tromp LeoLambda pelegreno newsham readability GeekDude Roger9 Melvar Sgeo_ pdxleif fungot alercah pikhq brandonson doesthiswork ATMunn Taneb Lymia Hooloovo0 War
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< 1514281709 763589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1514281789 987430 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigyn is an anti-spam bot. May I suggest inviting it in?
< 1514281820 882979 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get spamming. like anybody ever thought "oh, they annoyed me, i better befriend them"
< 1514281864 130333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it would be an interesting experiment... I wonder what Sigyn would think of fungot.
< 1514281864 433627 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: especially if the person grading the thing is, do you intend fnord?
< 1514282052 966375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least now I know that these spammers do use colors
< 1514282429 437631 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think fungot would pose a problem
< 1514282429 637234 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you're not being serious
< 1514282434 471068 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1514282461 249343 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :outwitted by fungot, again
< 1514282461 488371 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i love going back and doing so is too great, it's python
< 1514282591 538892 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case Sigyn is doing good work elsewhere (##math is where I see it in action most often). And it would increase the numbers of bots here, so why not.
< 1514283670 397786 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe
< 1514287083 966509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it
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< 1514296886 954061 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://sprunge.us/MjWf <-- Peano Arithmetic in Tableaux. (I'm getting confused above that; do we get anything second order as well?)
< 1514296936 305035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think Tableaux can do certain diagonalisations that Peano Arithmetic can't, but am far from certain
< 1514297033 605416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1514297039 341067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Vorpal
< 1514297050 859496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a good christmas so far?
< 1514297072 589409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah it seems that it /should/ be possible to get a variable number of quantifier alternations, but ... well as I said it's confusing.
< 1514297100 936485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's mostly just a break from work and a chance to see family
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< 1514297121 297919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my family is fairly centralised at the moment, it's much easier to see them than it would have been a couple of years ago
< 1514297125 199669 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1514297162 965217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I publicised an esolang on Christmas that I've been trying to pin down the details of for ages
< 1514297174 648128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about a tarpit is that you want the set of commands to be as small as possible
< 1514297186 234490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier versions needed both addition /and/ multiplication, but this version gets away with just increment
< 1514297206 63625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went out to buy some stuff today. I don't think I ever seen the parking lot at the mall this filled up. Do you have sales just after christmas in UK too?
< 1514297212 477703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway PA is a very sane and natural source language for Tableaux.
< 1514297229 552240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, link?
< 1514297242 453201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tableaux
< 1514297283 29423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that
< 1514297287 39951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my autoreplace says http not https and http is kind-of broken on the wiki
< 1514297289 759414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was busy reconfiguring it
< 1514297293 999354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can say https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tableaux easily
< 1514297415 688585 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, interesting language. Not a paradigm I think I ever seen anything close to before
< 1514297429 32444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I might just be unfamiliar with said paradigm
< 1514297456 89179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically speaking it's declarative, but it's way more general than a declarative language would normally be
< 1514297472 880576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it
< 1514297504 393945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while as well
< 1514297510 95231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you wrote it
< 1514297539 448130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because I create an esolang doesn't mean I fully understand it
< 1514297549 20129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1514297553 722812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I can know what the rules are but not how to exploit them
< 1514297654 813593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can we translate bounded Tableaux (with a finite number of rows... let's say the rest are always 0) back to PA?
< 1514297674 486268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any plans on writing an interpreter?
< 1514297694 906928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've been thinking about it but probably not in the near future, I only have a finite supply of motivation at the moment
< 1514297703 893751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to understand a very large proportion of mathematics to get the best results
< 1514297720 900540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's an uncomputable language, so the best you can do is run as many programs as possible via proving that the execution works in this particular case
< 1514297721 705462 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving the halting problem gets very frustrating.
< 1514297732 901889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like solving the halting problem, you can do it in a lot of special cases but not in general
< 1514297733 755972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this exceeds the difficulty of the halting problem :)
< 1514297778 276526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so right after Feather? ;)
< 1514297792 704257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no particular reason Feather should be uncomputable
< 1514297803 13534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1514297803 105863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be that Feather can't be implemented, but not because of that
< 1514297845 198284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I would assume you could implement Tableaux by translating it to the input language for one of the already existing SAT solvers?
< 1514297851 971779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have I missed something vital?
< 1514297887 824367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most satisfaction problems are only finitely large
< 1514297933 800451 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that is true, this can express infinite problems, which I guess most SAT solvers can't handle? (Haven't really looked into the details of them, nor used them)
< 1514297958 8358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514297959 258403 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Coq or something like that though? Or does that have similar limitations?
< 1514297975 942474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for many programs you can prove that only a finite subset matters, so a SAT solver would work for some, but not all
< 1514297984 216193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq is a proof checker, not a proof finder
< 1514297990 341730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1514298001 836657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has tactics that can automate part of the proof finding but not do the whole thing unless it's very simple
< 1514298004 598780 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAT solvers are very finite. SMT solvers may deal with some infinite stuff (integer variables most notably); automated and interactive theorem provers go beyond that.
< 1514298018 838011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, one possible approach would be to brute force proofs until you find one that proves the result you want and is also correct
< 1514298021 179945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd be incredibly slow
< 1514298046 242159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :brute forcing usually is slow yes 
< 1514298050 281511 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I don't know of any ATP that does Peano Arithmetic... I wonder.
< 1514298105 548688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the induction principle is quite awful for automation. But still, people must have tried...
< 1514298147 93287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would proof by induction be bad for automation?
< 1514298219 674271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be an obvious answer to this, I haven't really thought much about automated theorem proving at all.
< 1514298239 568800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, often you need to prove a stronger statement than given. and then the search space explodes.
< 1514298254 958809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, finding closed forms is hard to automate; if not for that, automatically finding integrals would be easy
< 1514298307 440424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you both have points here yes
< 1514298328 658170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll work for simple cases, and then break down for lack of guidance/sense of direction. (This may be a target for machine learning. Induction patterns...)
< 1514298361 198556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, sounds like a promising research area
< 1514298679 413087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes me think of an only tangentially related question: which computational classes can self-interpret?
< 1514298687 221654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously TC can, but can any of the others?
< 1514298693 781831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hullo.
< 1514298702 818917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1514298737 958205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are obviously very simple classes that can not.
< 1514298743 789501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1514298753 62960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting more and more unsure the more I think about it
< 1514298794 221115 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular languages shouldn't
< 1514298803 581838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NL probably can?
< 1514298815 630896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does NL stand for?
< 1514298820 304863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's near the top of my list of classes I'd expect to be able to
< 1514298824 620819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nondeterministic logspace
< 1514298855 321636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you have input as a read-only array, the only working space you're allowed is finitely many pointers into the array
< 1514298879 381069 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which languages fall in that?
< 1514298883 518169 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive recursion can't.
< 1514298923 492290 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so state is just a set of pointers into the input, hm.
< 1514298936 312929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :P and NP can... hmm, logspace.
< 1514298956 388932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about nondeterministic logspace though is that you can fork the program but the resulting threads can't communicate at all
< 1514298959 818011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply exit, or not exit
< 1514298968 315583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if any of them succeed, the program succeeds
< 1514298974 156180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought P an NP were complexity classes, not language classes?
< 1514298994 491421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages accepted by a polynomial time TM
< 1514299003 593048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah
< 1514299005 367469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two correspond, a language is in P if you can write a program that recognises that language and runs in P
< 1514299043 344035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space classes are more investigated in esolang research than time classes though
< 1514299069 760446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are reluctant to write languages without any form of infinite loop construct
< 1514299079 843237 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterminism is an interesting concept
< 1514299082 601233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when they do, the language normally runs in linear time and constant space
< 1514299107 990838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a quantum computer would be ideal for implementing some of that?
< 1514299120 393251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum and nondeterminism work differently
< 1514299132 897980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with quantum, the various threads amplify/attenuate each other's probabilities
< 1514299134 384058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1514299148 361552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nondeterminism, you're taking a maximum of the probabilities, rather than adding phasors
< 1514299155 98082 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually this question is quite sensitive to how programs are encoded.
< 1514299165 926712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does quantum has a separate complexity hierarchy? Or is it part of the main one?
< 1514299169 694718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, that doesn't surprise me
< 1514299176 631652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BQP is the best known quantum complexity class
< 1514299191 566545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's known to be (non-strictly) between P and NP; it's commonly believed different from both
< 1514299200 151935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although of course if P=NP it's the same as both
< 1514299218 62828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1514299222 791607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not known to be entirely inside NP
< 1514299265 301026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1514299306 605280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any public key crypto that would not be easily breakable with quantum computers?
< 1514299361 195505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, elliptic-curve crypto isn't known to be breakable even with a quantum computer
< 1514299373 404317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the reasons it's attracted research interest
< 1514299396 665412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete log and integer factorization /are/ both known to be solveable in BQP, so quantum computers are likely to break crypto that's based on either of those problems
< 1514299428 210090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So RSA and DH?
< 1514299471 6486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1514299509 986079 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :djb has a crazy paper about post-quantum RSA. It's crazy because it proposes a key size of 1 TB. :P
< 1514299518 876079 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://encrypted.google.com/url?q=https://cr.yp.to/papers/pqrsa-20170419.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj71cbw9KfYAhWCyKQKHdEKASkQFggYMAA&usg=AOvVaw1sUPvbDPt4zf9dtOOqg7AF
< 1514299525 622558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fuck you google
< 1514299527 291116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds impractical
< 1514299531 785569 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cr.yp.to/papers/pqrsa-20170419.pdf
< 1514299686 65901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have one cute point... you don't need to stick to using only two primes in the product.
< 1514299773 191771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other point should be boring, but djb makes it very often... you can beat any speedup by making the input large enough.)
< 1514299905 800141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1514307791 293985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1514307866 792451 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL sixel graphics
< 1514307876 436444 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i can't get them running
< 1514307890 869581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eyes myname

< 1514307921 364564 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1514308327 704648 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :green on yellow on white is quite ugly...
< 1514308466 125672 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/sixel.png
< 1514308672 111084 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i call img2sixel in xterm, it just does nothing
< 1514308752 640620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my dot matrix printer had a kind of an eixel mode. "\e*" + horizontal DPI indicator + data length + data bytes each specifying an 8-pixel column.
< 1514308757 898929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: see the first line... you need to enable the vt340 emulation
< 1514308868 487423 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't do shit here
< 1514308936 731540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: xterm -ti vt340 should give you an xterm with vt340 enabled. I just added it as a comment inside that xterm...
< 1514308984 487836 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
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< 1514311012 591036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try my "ffsixel" program? And, still, you do need to specify the correct kind of terminal to emulate.
< 1514312473 297251 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1514312524 786724 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixel support for nethack would be fun
< 1514312765 918825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program I wrote just converts a picture into sixel format.
< 1514312788 322867 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does img2pixel i thought
< 1514312817 134094 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixel*
< 1514312911 268568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does; I don't know that program
< 1514312943 19800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, maybe other program has some mistake I don't know
< 1514312959 184008 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its what i got with libsixel
< 1514313046 408459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a problem with libsixel so I wrote my own, which seems to work better.
< 1514313086 853244 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what problem?
< 1514313138 924523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it just didn't seem to produce proper output, somehow.
< 1514313170 127499 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
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< 1514317226 161542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Yeah, github, thanks for rubbing my nose in the fact that I created an issue that received 2 comments. I wouldn't object much except that both these comments were by myself... )
< 1514317680 287413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Does github have achievements yet? 
< 1514317716 533897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I can see, but there's a funny icon next to that message... I'm afraid they're etching closer
< 1514317725 323385 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :edging? meh
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< 1514326032 596049 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/914660288904385733/FC7666FF8A6DDD28B8CFBCC3C0D2CEAADD71A126/
< 1514327136 61237 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEU?
< 1514327153 783104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEUDA..., it looks like.
< 1514327306 297579 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feudal", I believe
< 1514327314 522789 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :This being the government type map mode in CK2
< 1514327758 710685 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin NICK :contrapumpkin
< 1514327956 850285 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and as you can see venice is gone
< 1514328165 953249 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah
< 1514328170 23827 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get back in to CK2
< 1514328177 959389 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was having a game as Socotra which was quite fun
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< 1514331984 677336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: your electrotaped shoebox arrived just in time. i finished my growler yesterday
< 1514332000 199139 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a hell of a time trying to read the french text on that one bottle
< 1514332019 665406 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a growling electrotaped shoebox, check
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< 1514332075 302145 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the box was hohoing, not growling hth
< 1514332120 76817 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1514332345 452284 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1514332349 665362 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/914660288904720745/49ACFA017328020A3BC8DD95D870A34DFA0EADE2/
< 1514332564 753150 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1514332566 344291 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOHOO!
< 1514332569 552314 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ARRIVED!
< 1514332601 816326 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. it was indeed a bona fide electrotaped shoebox. I had fun wrapping it :D
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< 1514333431 353973 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. . o O ( what _is_ an electrotaped shoebox, anyway )
< 1514333480 424849 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shoebox. I used electric tape to solidly tape it.
< 1514333507 552814 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also mailed it to quintopia ^^
< 1514333534 899641 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1514333567 669354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, hadn't realized diff -q will still say something if the files are different. I thought it was just about the return code.
< 1514333581 41243 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure why \oren\_ is screaming, but vaguely suspect the caliphate realm bordering italy.

< 1514333588 952223 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1514333733 58342 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523  yes, elliptic-curve crypto isn't known to be breakable even with a quantum computer <-- that doesn't seem to be true
< 1514333733 145927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1514334138 454265 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is. no one has proposed an elliptic curve decoding algorithm that runs in poly time on a qc
< 1514334183 667978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except the one that uses the private key)
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< 1514335447 740772 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm the wikipedia article on elliptic curve cryptography claims it's _more_ breakable than RSA...
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< 1514335997 782391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the kind used now maybe
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< 1514336555 38569 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 By one reading of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic-curve_cryptography , anyway.
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< 1514341378 535790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:ist//An ist is an incomplete list. \ `sled//`sled // \ do//Do or do not, there is no try. \ i,i//i,i is short for "I have wasps in my underwear, and I want to distract myself by saying". \ atwp//According to Wikipedia, ATWP means "Air Transport White Paper".
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< 1514342866 336179 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
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< 1514342884 184694 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1514342889 449500 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~test
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< 1514361721 513929 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol my court physician made me snort a grey powder that increased all my stats by 3
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< 1514373817 547392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: playing CK2?
< 1514373827 606347 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what is the context of your statement?
< 1514373885 557989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( senility + 3 [You used to laugh about senility but you forgot what was so funny about it.] )
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< 1514376547 443367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in another channel pointed me to this: https://github.com/fergusq/tampio
< 1514376565 73157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who knows Finnish is probably necessary to see how interesting it is as a syntax modifier (is it more like Perligata or more like LOLCODE?)
< 1514376677 297951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message oerjan hmm, I think crypto has evolved since I last saw it; I assume the article is a more up-to-date summary of modern understanding than my own
< 1514376677 385913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages?
< 1514376681 500909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan hmm, I think crypto has evolved since I last saw it; I assume the article is a more up-to-date summary of modern understanding than my own
< 1514376681 500935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1514376735 153293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard about Tampio somewhere.
< 1514376830 514118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's closer to Perligata.
< 1514376894 856583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this documentation uses "array" and "list" in the opposite sense to Perl, that's confusing
< 1514377050 808537 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😸
< 1514377088 436236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unidecode  😸
< 1514377088 482740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1514377094 33380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ` not @
< 1514377104 355472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  😸
< 1514377106 722674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+1F638 GRINNING CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES]
< 1514377110 598636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know
< 1514377174 717791 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal cheshire cat?
< 1514378096 726978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1514403067 403877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh GG, dragus ex machina...
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< 1514416573 401940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 11h 4m 51s ago: hmm, I think crypto has evolved since I last saw it; I assume the article is a more up-to-date summary of modern understanding than my own
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< 1514418262 113345 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh GG, dragus ex machina... <-- more like a serpens
< 1514418289 494674 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also itym draco)
< 1514418346 396205 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see #14618? the horror :/
< 1514418361 129056 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One traditional rule gives the distinction among the various Latin synonyms as anguis being a water snake; draco being a "temple" snake, the sort of large, exotic snake associated with the guardianship of temples; and serpens being a common terrestrial snake. This rule is not universally credited, however."
< 1514418373 288230 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Draco could be right, then.
< 1514418378 444406 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1514418383 376768 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anguis, then.
< 1514418467 894755 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: eep
< 1514418509 641770 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambdabot was back on ghc 8.0.2 for a bit, now it's on a patched 8.2.2)
< 1514418528 996321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes me wonder how many more such oversights there may be
< 1514418638 769772 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :billions and billions
< 1514418669 552318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me feel better?!
< 1514418702 685510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exascale oversights
< 1514418721 865773 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though that would be billions *of* billions)
< 1514418722 23360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1514418726 501392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good bug
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< 1514424756 298902 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1514425164 53657 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1514425164 229933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 280100Z 25016G22KT 15SM FEW130 M22/M28 A3030 RMK AC2 SLP273
< 1514425180 399155 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :M22!
< 1514425720 276116 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full
< 1514425959 809101 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. clearly a very displeased cow.
< 1514425971 434346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1514425971 628432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 280120Z AUTO 27008KT 9999 NCD 00/M02 Q1000 NOSIG
< 1514425977 53558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close to a cow.
< 1514425979 348038 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1514425979 565160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 280120Z 09010KT 9999 BKN045 M03/M08 Q0988 RMK WIND 670FT 09009KT
< 1514426093 23678 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. a cryogenised cow.
< 1514427078 853704 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1514427437 596832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: should i vote in the finnish presidential election twh
< 1514427521 774910 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514427611 216218 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1514428268 656763 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( be careful not to set a bad president )
< 1514428287 733560 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1514428293 702729 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going to be steamed in a sauna in any case.
< 1514428294 377506 :tromp!~tromp@217.103.3.94 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514428302 294672 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can be bad after a good steamage.
< 1514428306 414958 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hakatashi1: is your connection fixed
< 1514428309 53125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514428420 232991 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy oversized ban list batman
< 1514428462 129336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoerjan
< 1514428469 888761 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no other forgotten fix_your_connections, at least
< 1514428487 566668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you checked fixyourconnection and fox_your_connection and so on
< 1514428497 404435 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god shachaften
< 1514428539 707479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i only checked carefully at both ends.
< 1514428559 722233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's where new bans tend to get added
< 1514428587 372432 :tromp!~tromp@217.103.3.94 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1514428587 372475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what's the issue with a long banlist
< 1514428591 868235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not have enough banwidth
< 1514428617 768799 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would all be a lot easier if freenode didn't keep resetting the times on them
< 1514428638 394514 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i vaguely thought there was a limit around 50, but we're way over that.
< 1514428650 675166 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that must have changed.
< 1514428692 798167 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm procrastinating eating again ->
< 1514428744 892456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :today the doctor told me i should eat more #scow
< 1514428769 213672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the dietitian or something
< 1514428788 926056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :talked to too many medical professionals over the past few days
< 1514428900 824407 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how many nutella balls left?
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< 1514430061 227252 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1514430168 100025 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1514430177 301059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:lynn//lynn likes to impersonate seasonal cucurbitaceæ. \ phantom__hoover//Phantom__Hoover can't decide what an appropriate number of underscores is. \ indonesia//Indonesia is a large island country in Asia and the world's most populous muslim country. Its major export is rayon textile from the Indonesian fnord. \ dc//dc is short for "d
< 1514430182 217687 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1514430182 986979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ump core". (try it out yourself: dc -e '[') \ spämmer//Spämmers are advertisers of Spämmi, the delicious Finnish fish product.
< 1514430203 94202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits dc
< 1514430211 252800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-̈e
< 1514430221 816756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :knew it
< 1514430241 236851 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514430244 317716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parenthetical is unmistakable
< 1514430348 805374 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :parint-esis.
< 1514430410 661876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know; I was planning to.
< 1514430427 289193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's pretty clear who's going to win, though.
< 1514430760 293820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC's web streaming thing (iPlayer) has a volume control with discrete levels 0, 1, 2, ..., 10, 11 (of course it goes up to eleven), but I can't find anywhere what the "neutral" level is.
< 1514430800 360518 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514430816 295137 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: twelve hth
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< 1514431132 739513 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :`iczero
< 1514431140 155556 :`iczero!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony
< 1514431146 687648 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :`iczero`
< 1514431455 913124 :`iczero`!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony
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< 1514431531 544319 :[iczero]!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony
< 1514431571 464868 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\_/)
< 1514431571 710838 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(O.o) This is Bunny. Add Bunny to your signature
< 1514431571 757464 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(> <) to help him achieve world domination
< 1514431754 701479 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514431931 606903 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdh hth
< 1514431961 12405 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthelloswork. can I slowly cook the bunny with veggies and some wine and let it simmer for a few hours?
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< 1514432015 28296 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
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< 1514432045 806594 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boiled bunny sounds delicious 
< 1514432050 775415 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1514432118 188358 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloony!
< 1514432920 582360 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks askance at doesthiswork and prepares the Holy Hand Grenade

< 1514432985 400784 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's been a while since i've played worms
> 1514433040 754520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:79brue14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53721 5* 0379brue 5* (+6) 10Created page with "Hello."
< 1514433208 618537 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabellora. I'ma ninja rope then dynamite you into oblivion! mwah ah ah ah ah.
< 1514433228 909963 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1514433247 150911 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a while since i've talked in here, too
< 1514433250 353939 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLARF
< 1514433269 850754 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :People's Liberation Army Rocket Force
< 1514433282 878603 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still working on shell stuff btw
< 1514433295 330574 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://asciinema.org/a/153753  little demo i made a few days ago
< 1514433322 882045 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :udb is a heavily hacked-upon gdb
< 1514433362 971252 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wrote a compiler for bash that doesn't support much of bash's syntax
< 1514433380 981880 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1514433489 670060 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: BROADENED CHICKEN
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< 1514456064 517943 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hello

< 1514456673 198626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Taneb is full of ACTION )
< 1514456736 287215 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1514458535 773104 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hello )
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< 1514462224 85140 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@METAR PAMR
< 1514462224 173935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1514462229 893654 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar PAMR
< 1514462230 115697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAMR 281153Z 09004KT 1/2SM FZFG VV002 M15/M16 A3028 RMK AO2 SLP259 4/002 I6001 T11501156 11133 21161 58008 $
< 1514463857 430608 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1514465706 638156 :Slereah_!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-114-213.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah
< 1514467608 426324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some closure for the BBC iPlayer volume comment from last night: could be that 11 is the neutral (no scaling) volume level. At least there's a `_volume` field in the player JS object that gets set to 1 when the slider is at 11.
< 1514467612 683380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a little odd because the slider seems to sorta-default to something like 9. Or else it's just remembering old settings.
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< 1514472495 820098 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril.
< 1514472496 315858 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: srfi-13 ref impl compiled after commenting out some syntax-rules... :) makes it hard to refactor code.
< 1514472640 135901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop making sense please
< 1514472640 372660 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: morning all :) ( quantum physics)
< 1514472681 713785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it a good morning or a bad morning, or a superposition of both?
< 1514472682 176946 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: very much so, i'll just stash a copy of the repository demo app is how little server-side scheme code is tedious and should not be hard to prove formally. does scheme have libraries like c does
< 1514472765 135528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why do software libraries not use the Dewey decimal system?
< 1514472765 508061 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i know you can write lisp programs that write c++ programs... it's pretty graphical :p. i think
< 1514472796 780759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Well, **** is much more graphical.
< 1514472796 974320 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but equivalent.) a variety of languages! :d)
< 1514472822 367699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote dewey
< 1514472823 636224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1514472829 688382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp dewey
< 1514472837 442018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1514472878 557147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Obviously, computers would need a Dewey Hexadecimal Classification. )
< 1514473161 767893 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. morning is a state of mind.
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< 1514473392 639294 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball ?
< 1514473393 414225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a doubt.
< 1514473436 581757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 42d1
< 1514473436 628260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 42
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< 1514474187 515100 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1514474187 684290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 281508Z 24017KT 2 1/2SM -SHSN DRSN OVC045 M22/M26 A3028 RMK SC8 CVCTV CLDS EMBD SLP266
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< 1514474235 330449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1514474235 549604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 281450Z VRB07KT 9999 -SHSN SCT030 BKN050 BKN300 02/M02 Q0999 R08/19//95 NOSIG
< 1514474258 773604 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lovi
< 1514474258 950884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
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< 1514474272 26693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWW 281450Z 31015KT 9999 FEW024 SCT046 BKN082 05/00 Q0995 TEMPO FM1600 RA
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< 1514474362 594399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDF 281450Z 26008KT 9999 SCT026 SCT110 BKN250 04/00 Q1002 NOSIG
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> 1514480844 473745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lambdastack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53722&oldid=34495 5* 03Spk44 5* (+137) 10Added a section for implementations, include my own
> 1514481511 897290 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APLWSI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53723&oldid=53665 5* 03Weirdlang 5* (+12) 10
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< 1514483899 772101 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1514483904 581199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:ayacc//ayacc is ais523's yacc parser generator implementation, get it from darcs clone http://nethack4.org/projects/ayacc \ mirth//Mirths are juvenile moths. They giggle a lot. \ schaf//"Schaf" is german for "sheep". There is absolutely no relation to shachaf. \ the torus//Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented it so he'
< 1514483907 382885 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1514483908 143001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:d have something to drink his preferred beverage out of. \ funpun//funpuns fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1514483987 448238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HickEgo
< 1514484091 116768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf
< 1514484092 697712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
< 1514484113 729705 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie
< 1514484114 833773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :King fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
< 1514484131 529269 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd fizzie//s/\bfi/Fi/
< 1514484133 871903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie//King Fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky canary prime minister of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg
< 1514484238 755365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary
< 1514484239 831936 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up.
< 1514484343 209407 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that still true when they're dead?
< 1514484407 506246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What is your preferred beverage?
< 1514484440 90886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( liquid )
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< 1514486718 334266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have also added the program to make OpenSimplex noise.
< 1514486725 567982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud
< 1514486725 657955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 3d 8h 6m 29s ago: In https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/unstable-faqawaslfaqpaftidawabiajtbt-2017-12-06 , an interpretation is given to "destroy target player"
< 1514486725 658000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 3d 8h 5m 54s ago: ( 16.06.17:23:16:04  (It also says "destroy target player"; of course only permanents can be destroyed, not players.) )
< 1514486754 330090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38
< 1514486761 89910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you already responded to that.
< 1514486798 977913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did respond already to that
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< 1514493700 489359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be a fungot outage of an hour or so, I'm rearranging furniture.
< 1514493701 185237 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the world is an orgy of clusterfucks. :( lauri has changed his name to ' the market' we would be if you) kill yourself in the foot if your problem is before anyone can help me
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< 1514493900 829364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a roadrunner?
< 1514494472 788335 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1514501384 704692 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin NICK :OriginalBankster
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< 1514502672 463417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Feeling all right? 
< 1514502672 788873 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what i listen to
< 1514502677 159235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough.
< 1514502777 670782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where have you been, we almost missed you
< 1514502777 903717 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the circles just tell you where to put
< 1514502814 709476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: we
< 1514502814 956257 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: this pizza symbolizes my complete emotional recovery!
< 1514502850 216111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you discover and dustbunnies or other sapient life forms while moving furniture?
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< 1514504041 414511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Just great balls of wire.
< 1514504128 983414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eery
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< 1514506116 311904 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 ø
< 1514506125 220157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ƀ
< 1514506174 63972 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is that still true when they're dead?
< 1514506179 606716 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary
< 1514506181 707498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up.
< 1514506223 725225 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd canary//s.up.up, unless they're pining for the fjords,
< 1514506224 633120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 46: unterminated `s' command
< 1514506228 227191 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd canary//s.up.up, unless they're pining for the fjords.
< 1514506230 964907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary//A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up, unless they're pining for the fjords.
> 1514506394 147911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AnnanFay 5*  10New user account
< 1514506419 316830 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Just great balls of wire. <-- lucky that wasn't just one letter different.
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> 1514506587 283573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53724&oldid=53719 5* 03AnnanFay 5* (+149) 10/* Introductions */
< 1514506763 226485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what are... bulls of wire
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< 1514506838 541190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, great balls of lire might still be worth something
< 1514506999 709288 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o kay
< 1514507071 562391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is a little impatient, i sense
< 1514507098 521161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how people prove that Moebius transformations map circles and lines to circles and lines

< 1514507181 206284 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... well they seem to have persevered [what a word]?
< 1514507188 746223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we'll only know if they make another edit
< 1514507232 798793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I recall a similar case, where I left a comment: https://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Ahto
< 1514507440 707259 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: part of the trick is that a line is just a circle passing through oo, me thinks
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< 1514507467 721542 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moebius transformations are defined on the whole gaussian sphere
< 1514507548 841513 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION long since forgot the actual proof, anyway

< 1514507578 604838 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Moebius transformations... what I have focuses on the special case x |-> 1/(x+r) where r is real and the unit circle; after subtracting k/(1-k^2) and dividing by x/(1-k^2), we end up with a fraction that has a complex number as its denominator and its conjugate as the numerator... so that's a unit circle again. The cases k = +/-1 end up with a straight line.)
< 1514507607 859507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rest you get because you can rotate around the origin, scale, and translate arbitrarily)
< 1514507660 261403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
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< 1514507825 3325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it feels ugly.
< 1514507847 598889 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 1/x is the only thing you need to handle specially, then
< 1514507882 440095 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1514507959 82305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well basically I want to take an arbitrary circle and pole and use an affine transformation to get the unit circle and some pole on the real axis... I can't force it to be at 0.
< 1514507988 792492 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1514508037 468291 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I want the unit circle because if |x| = 1 then 1/x and x are conjugates... makes the arithmetic easier)
< 1514508182 827565 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some nifty geometric argument with projections or whatever, but i don't remember it.
< 1514508201 566756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so yeah it's basically the same thing as showing for 1/x that it maps circles to circles, possibly degenerate
< 1514508232 700271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is closely related to inversion at a circle, of course.
< 1514508279 100779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... I guess...
< 1514508302 710775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secant-tangent_theorem is relevant
< 1514508791 986215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry++
< 1514510238 502278 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma geometry
< 1514510238 589976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :geometry has a karma of 1
< 1514510275 627842 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma geology
< 1514510275 674416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :geology has a karma of 0
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< 1514551793 473580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you have a golden radio?
< 1514551793 691526 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: writing to variables a and b
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< 1514555696 807718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what about a golden ratio?
< 1514555696 958208 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you are false.
< 1514555703 386056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :harsh words!
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< 1514556062 825285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Play nice, you.
< 1514556063 229888 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: people generally didn't think it was in asm 360, and i see this stuff is so clear
> 1514556697 542243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07What the fuck is the Internet?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53725&oldid=53720 5* 03JayCampbell 5* (+175) 10Added brainfuck transpiler to prove Turing Completeness
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< 1514562974 387553 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: poke
< 1514562974 735063 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: mutually referential modules. when an interface is..." at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord?
< 1514562991 224426 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you make no sense
< 1514562991 756014 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: maybe the tokenizer thinks it's a number less than -45 to 315 17 -126) automagically." " yeah we are not providing 100% scientific proof, we are using the rhythm method?
< 1514563011 736087 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( and then there were ten )
< 1514563101 742869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pole
< 1514563101 983230 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i've worked out so far.
< 1514563124 423401 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1514563128 615461 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list
< 1514563128 824997 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def   ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1514563128 902594 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1514563134 844061 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMunn: that's just you not understanding mutual recursion hth
< 1514563146 104264 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true
< 1514563152 257862 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone though? :P
< 1514563155 492645 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1514563155 539127 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1514563178 282769 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has a ^list ? i suspect it doesn't have the expected features.
< 1514563178 813290 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that'd be a cool way to do it before :) was it a misspelling, a joke mud in which the substitutes are defined is not any harder to understand
< 1514563275 831431 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo hi
< 1514563275 921946 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi
< 1514563327 480452 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sort-of finished a prototype documentation for a new esolang :D
> 1514563732 251596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ATMunn 5*  10New user account
> 1514564243 406251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53726&oldid=53724 5* 03ATMunn 5* (+568) 10Introduced self
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< 1514579743 737236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1108
< 1514579755 797790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1108: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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< 1514579889 510538 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is olist?
< 1514579897 206841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask HackEgo hth
< 1514579900 55183 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help olist
< 1514579903 257518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
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< 1514579919 994356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist help: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
< 1514579920 781043 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I no have access to HackEgo ?
< 1514579927 725131 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1514579944 936770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, don't olist if there's no olist update. that's rude. tdnh
< 1514579947 776924 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist
< 1514579948 977325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
< 1514579950 560385 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe its just slow
< 1514579962 524794 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l $(which help)
< 1514579963 697483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 38 May 21  2017 /hackenv/bin/help
< 1514579971 354778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even slow. It answered your question right away.
< 1514579976 195108 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::19-> :43
< 1514579991 753122 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:34:33  `help olist
< 1514579991 893915 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:34:36  olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
< 1514579996 210576 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be some latency on your end
< 1514579998 962942 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1514580011 284781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/logs/2017-12-29.html
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< 1514580036 380223 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/i0rwqtol3fljbvl/Screenshot%202017-12-29%2012.40.18.png?dl=0
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< 1514580869 283755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan You yourself adjusted the fungot list back in February 2013: https://esolangs.org/logs/2013-02-03.html#ld
< 1514580869 373992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1514580869 995791 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: another question, what's wrong in sex at an early age. besides being generally unable to get a hyperspec lookup, if anyone has had any experience *whatsoever* to base your part on, there even was a movie of using one of the problems
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< 1514597143 201335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 4h 31m 13s ago: You yourself adjusted the fungot list back in February 2013: https://esolangs.org/logs/2013-02-03.html#ld
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< 1514597970 161931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1514597980 247752 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help messages-cloudy
< 1514597980 294261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
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< 1514635435 559242 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Poor highschool math competition problem authors, the next prime after 2017 will be 2027.)
< 1514635586 366577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's esoteric enough, but it still wasn't meant for this channel :)
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< 1514638120 397501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, FIDE rules are surprisingly murky around illegal moves.
< 1514638618 941858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is triggered by yesterday's incident in the Carlsen-Inarkiev game. By my reading of the rules, Carlsen made a legal move [since the rules say nothing about leaving your opponent's king in check, just your own].)
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< 1514640761 256081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
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< 1514640766 454911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty ridiculous.
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< 1514642939 345507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 301350Z 27012KT 9999 -RASN FEW004 SCT030 BKN055 01/M00 Q1012 R08/19//95 TEMPO 4000 RASN
< 1514642946 256664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal.
< 1514643007 464723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unpleasant though, it's quite wet.)
< 1514645593 530843 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elevated levels of demand for a revolution"
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< 1514651147 739333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our species, homo sapiens sapiens, is about 300,000 years old. Now it used to be 200,000 years old but it grew an extra 100,000 years in the last year because of new archeaological discoveries."
< 1514651294 900133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What is the FEN position where that happened?
< 1514651441 185859 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello, hezzo38.
< 1514651443 424829 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a FEN?
< 1514651485 115522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blindly copies* from  1r2r3/1R3ppp/1k6/1B1n4/8/2P2P2/2K3PP/1R6 b - - 0 27  the next moves were 27...Ne3+ 28 . Kd3
< 1514651507 533621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks
< 1514651542 675551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chess24.com/en/read/news/riyadh-blitz-day-1-karjakin-is-back
< 1514651820 75923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did not notice that 27...Ne3+ is leaving you in check, I suppose.
< 1514651869 360598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you want to convert FEN into a displayable ASCII diagram, one thing you can do is what I did:   sed 's/8/44/g;s/7/43/g;s/6/33/g;s/5/32/g;s/4/22/g;s/3/21/g;s/2/11/g' | tr '1/' $'.\n'
< 1514651902 172305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's unclear. Black (!) tried to claim a win after Kd3 because supposedly it was an illegal move.
< 1514651930 632493 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was a blitz game, so illegal moves are immediate losses.)
< 1514651937 359508 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if noticed and claimed)
< 1514651993 746235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it'll be a feast for rule lawyers.
< 1514651997 999985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Well, it seem to me that Kd3 is moving from an invalid position, so I don't know how it can be said to be legal or illegal?
< 1514652064 122868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can check whether it fulfills all the requirements for a legal move in the FIDE laws of chess.
< 1514652067 256913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, I am not sure what the FIDE rules say about such cases)
< 1514652106 103527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the most relevant rule here is 3.9: "3.9 The king is said to be 'in check' if it is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces, even if such pieces are constrained from moving to the square occupied by the king because they would then leave or place their own king in check. No piece can be moved that will either expose the king of the same colour to check or leave that king in check."
< 1514652188 536889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, nothing in the definition of a legal move refers to the legality of the position before that move.
< 1514652237 626061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king of the same colour is the moved piece itself, and it isn't in check, so rule 3.9 does not seem to make 28. Kd3 illegal.
< 1514652257 143445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's why I think it was a legal move.
< 1514652280 487613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there another rule that makes it illegal?
< 1514652298 413761 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. https://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=171&view=article section 3
< 1514652305 512396 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/section/article/
< 1514652347 539539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, it would have been different if W had captured the king. That's explicitly forbidden.
< 1514652490 565714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: FEN is Forsyth Edwards Notation.
< 1514652576 669355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 3.10c says that a position is illegal if it cannot be reached by legal moves, but that does not say that the move is illegal.
< 1514652716 233964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even make up moves from an illegal position to another illegal position that are legal. (For example a rook move leading to  ...rKr...)
< 1514652773 676173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rKrn is a funny illegal mate in the middle of a board)
< 1514653065 980553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN notation. )
< 1514653094 48639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work?
< 1514653101 144589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN notation.
< 1514653104 980540 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8': 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN notation.
< 1514653111 626312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo++
< 1514653136 972404 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 8/8
< 1514653137 957372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: 8/8: Is a directory
< 1514653255 72912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8//s/ notation//
< 1514653256 866231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8//8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8 is an empty chess board in FEN.
< 1514653588 915835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If we invented an AI that was like the human mind it would do the AI equivalent of sitting on the sofa munching popcorn and watching the Superbowl all day. It wouldn't be much use to us."
< 1514653600 563536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you might want to use the name as an actual file too, and this way it doesn't work; such as, now "8/8" is a directory so you can't add an ordinary file of that name into the wisdom entries; one way to deal with such thing I suppose, would be that if it is a directory due to it contains other files, to create a file named ".DEFAULT" in that directory and then to use that.
< 1514653657 990915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is watching https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9270-dude_you_broke_the_future

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< 1514655004 132665 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: td... h?
< 1514655015 45001 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused by chess

< 1514655230 680505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But sometimes you want a wisdom with a name like 8/8/.DEFAULT
< 1514655714 365720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But doesn't it convert names to lowercase normally?
< 1514655800 420003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does
< 1514655813 958204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking it ought to check the uppercase name first, for consistency
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< 1514656871 534339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: FWIW, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsyth%E2%80%93Edwards_Notation shouldn't be that hard to find
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< 1514657131 96572 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: densely packed infos, but clear.
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< 1514663994 583667 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1514664001 642443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:www//WWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to. \ blu-ray//Blu-ray is the favorite storage format of Hooloovoos. \ ghoti//“Ghoti” is a very fishy spelling. \ nvd//nvd is what Taneb calls himself when he wants to feel professional. \ corium//Corium is the material that a nuclear reactor'
< 1514664003 363554 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1514664004 94764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:s core dump is made of.
< 1514664097 905333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg corium
< 1514664104 840165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7520:2016-04-23  learn Corium is the material that a nuclear reactor\'s core dump is made of.
< 1514664129 448063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That -̈ is like a tiny face.
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< 1514664520 836399 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my plan in choosing this nick is finally coming to fruition.
< 1514664565 269520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int◡e
< 1514664583 218628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int␣e
< 1514664588 137070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int␣̈e
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< 1514669602 541384 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1514669602 759655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 302100Z 02007KT 10SM -SN SCT025 BKN050 OVC070 M18/M23 A2998 RMK SC4SC2AS2 SLP157
< 1514669793 852448 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1514670133 101428 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :jacob4
< 1514670172 271138 :jacob4!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony
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< 1514672124 514001 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 cold sticks of butter, 4 cups flour, 1/4 cup cornstarch, 1 cup sugar, first cream butter then thorughly mix everything until dough is crumbly. pack dough into balls and flatten into cookies. bake 30 minutes, cool 5 minutes, bake 10 minutes, cool. 40 delicious cookies
< 1514672343 394845 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. and oven temperature is 325 degrees F
< 1514672368 227370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe
< 1514672368 883286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 2 ts Salt \  1 ts Baking powder \  1 c Milk \  3/4 c Rum of sugar \  1 c Mayonnaise \  1 ts Cinnamon \  1 tb Lemon juice \  2 tb Butter \  2 Cloves \  1/2 c Chopped onion \  1/4 c Freshly chopped onion \  2 tb Canola oil \  1 ts Salt \  1/4 ts Ground cumin \  1 ts Salt \  1 c All-purpose flour \  Crumbled beef, cut in chili \  -or beef and peel
< 1514672383 958627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just too many ingredients. Let's try again.
< 1514672386 4030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe
< 1514672386 751009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gar, then pour over the onion and \  saute the milk into a 3-quart shallow baking dish. Add sugar and a \  green sauce to the warmed crumbled from the stove. \  Bring to a boil and add it to the mixing bowl. Serve ready; or carrots the chili \  out of the strawberry completely chopped. Makes 6 cups of ham of the \  hot cake in the center. Pinchier 
< 1514672409 125107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Add sugar and a green sauce to the warmed crumbled from the stove."
< 1514672828 937485 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me why but baking is always measured in Degrees Eff
< 1514672888 224271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always in degrees C over here.
< 1514673032 459578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most stoves and recipes I have seen the temperature is always Fahrenheit, although there are a few that use Celsius; also some instructions on boxes and some ovens will specify both Celsius and Fahrenheit.
< 1514673113 254965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing CA probably shares the oven market with US.
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< 1514681498 409268 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh
< 1514681504 677151 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally a brainfuck compiler
< 1514681553 223066 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1514681665 840539 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-114-213.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :be more careful next time
< 1514681689 446529 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one mniip 
< 1514681741 727209 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it with LLVM next time
< 1514681745 140572 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just leave this here
< 1514681747 515331 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>--[[->>+<<]+>>-]><<<[<<]<>>>[>>]>,+[->[-]<----------[++++++++++>>[-]>[-]<<[>>+<<-]>>[<<+>+>-]<[<<<<<[<<]<+>>>[>>]>>>-]<<<<<[<<]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[[->>+<<]+>>--]+<[<[<<]<>>>[>>]>>>[-]>[-]<<[>>+<<-]>>[<<+>+>-]<[<<<<<[<<]<+>>>[>>]>>>-]<<<<<[<<]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[[->>+<<]+>>--]+<-<[<<]<>>>[>>]>>>[-]>[-]<<[>>+<<-]>>[<<+>+>-]<[<<<<<[<<]<+>>>[>>]>>>-]<<<<<[<<]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[[->>+<<]+>>--]+<]<[<<]<>>>[>>]>[>>[-]>[-]<<[>>+<<-]>>[<<+>+>-]<[<<<<<[<<]<+>>>[>>]>>>-]<<<<<
< 1514681747 811800 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :[<<]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[[->>+<<]+>>--]+<+<[<<]<>>>[>>]>-]>+<,----------]++++++++++>[->[-]>[-]<<[>>+<<-]>>[<<+>+>-]<[<<<<<[<<]<+>>>[>>]>>>-]<<<<<[<<]<[>>>+<<<-]>>>[[->>+<<]+>>--]+<.<[<<]<>>>[>>]>>]<.,+]->[-]<[-]<<<[<<]<>>>[>>]><<[-]<[[-]<[-]<]
< 1514681765 460993 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :moonythedwarf, no, the other kind of compiler
< 1514681801 73192 :h0rsep0wer!~h0rsep0we@unaffiliated/h0rsep0wer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1514681842 600036 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it *outputs* brainfuck
< 1514682196 995836 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :here have some primes http://tcpst.net/o7fd
< 1514682782 997808 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip, input language?
< 1514682795 852761 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Haskell DSL
< 1514682801 852842 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1514682928 555463 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like this http://lpaste.net/raw/2494059308031934464
< 1514683046 258333 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :var/vars allocates variables
< 1514683051 808760 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be local by the way
< 1514683096 29537 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the combinators you see there actually create local variables to do their jobs
< 1514683178 330054 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's largely incomplete - I had plans to support multi-byte integers and unbounded arrays
< 1514683258 262367 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the architecture is there
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< 1514684678 634727 :Guest6549!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-235-6.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah
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< 1514685481 298442 :moonythedwarf!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :Ajit-Pai
< 1514685499 399503 :Ajit-Pai!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony
< 1514685681 108177 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :Ajit-pai
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< 1514691814 398492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mniip
< 1514691820 493872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a GHC bug.
< 1514691896 60700 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I accidentally
< 1514691905 847534 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that happens
< 1514692191 994687 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn bimonthly//The word "bimonthly" has at least two meanings, although this wisdom only gives about half of one. No matter which expert you follow, you're 50% likely to misinterpret it, or doubly so, depending on the phase of the moon.
< 1514692194 15288 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bimonthly': The word "bimonthly" has at least two meanings, although this wisdom only gives about half of one. No matter which expert you follow, you're 50% likely to misinterpret it, or doubly so, depending on the phase of the moon.
< 1514692274 37556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mniip
< 1514692275 175685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1514692300 25232 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am familiar yes
< 1514692349 206468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password of the month
< 1514692350 326937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password of the month? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1514692353 585007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1514692354 865587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is equally offensive to all beliefs (but not time zones)
< 1514692377 36525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password
< 1514692384 156707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11251:2017-12-01  learn The password of the month is equally offensive to all beliefs (but not time zones) \ 11250:2017-12-01  learn The password of the month is equally offensive to all beliefs \ 11236:2017-11-04  learn The password of the month is unavailable due to budget cuts \ 11206:2017-10-01  learn Th
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< 1514701900 972361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the password is available for purchase, but it expires on the 1st, so you have to bimonthly to keep up
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< 1514704877 872895 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: o.O
< 1514704882 354204 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
< 1514704898 404197 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated
< 1514704901 787126 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently committed soemthing
< 1514704907 289778 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Correct the spelling of 'I'"
< 1514704913 256152 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this commit message
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< 1514713614 455316 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1514717684 117798 :u1!~u1@93.190.204.106 NICK :VictorZed
< 1514717701 385608 :VictorZed!~u1@93.190.204.106 NICK :zzz
< 1514717709 663959 :zzz!~u1@93.190.204.106 NICK :zzzzzz
< 1514717715 87698 :zzzzzz!~u1@93.190.204.106 NICK :victorzed
< 1514719494 634518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn The password of the month is early. )
< 1514719652 980706 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I could pretend that we're anywhere on Earth.
< 1514719699 758702 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is early.
< 1514719702 37276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is early.
< 1514719761 913998 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anywhere on Earth includes New Zealand, Fiji, and the Christmas Islands. Happy New Year to all folks living there...)
< 1514723745 466930 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
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< 1514736947 851756 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1514736948 58946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 311600Z 26011KT 240V310 30SM FEW050 FEW150 FEW230 M19/M26 A3005 RMK SC1AC1CI1 SC TR SLP187
< 1514737135 910299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; echo *fac*
< 1514737137 220600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook fact fun fact
< 1514737148 844619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? facebook
< 1514737149 846447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook is Taneb's face collection.
< 1514737154 342460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1514737201 880543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fact
< 1514737203 39941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facts are lies. They are not there. Go away!
< 1514737216 170005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's useful.
< 1514737538 68483 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MacOS X was patched to reenable two-factor authentication, you now need both username and password to log in."
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< 1514739603 304354 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal with the while . o O () thing here?
< 1514739672 540586 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-235-6.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it indicates thought
< 1514739727 842973 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1514739759 375229 :ybden!ybden@coleridge.vehk.de NICK :ybdeo
< 1514739796 805973 :ybdeo!ybden@coleridge.vehk.de NICK :ybden
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< 1514740135 642861 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e was the first person I saw thinking.
< 1514740244 749865 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( thoughtful )

< 1514740252 153581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :    545 int-e
< 1514740252 200042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :    425 oerjan
< 1514740252 246572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :    131 boily
< 1514740254 525753 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do them as ACTIONs
< 1514740254 646235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top thinkers.
< 1514740352 18403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But int-e was indeed the first thinker, here: https://esolangs.org/logs/2005-12-04.html#ljc
< 1514740389 378729 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :from way back, apparently
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< 1514740898 310756 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION biswats shachaf -----###

< 1514741021 140228 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `learn The password of the month is early. <-- scandalous!
< 1514741033 779561 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but inevitable.
< 1514741036 237485 :centinel!~jsc@milstar.rpisec.org NICK :ChickenFetishcci
< 1514741110 137354 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes by UTC for fairness :/

< 1514741165 13708 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password
< 1514741172 358835 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11291:2017-12-31  learn The password of the month is early. \ 11251:2017-12-01  learn The password of the month is equally offensive to all beliefs (but not time zones) \ 11250:2017-12-01  learn The password of the month is equally offensive to all beliefs \ 11236:2017-11-04  learn The password of the month i
< 1514741213 488714 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the realization that New Year was a rolling phenomenon came first though.
< 1514741217 17840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you mean ###-----### twh
< 1514741229 725625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :darth oerjaul
< 1514741270 373006 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date
< 1514741271 193455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun Dec 31 17:26:38 UTC 2017
< 1514741289 577977 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $TZ
< 1514741290 315216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1514741297 905479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo UTC for fairness isn't very fair when you live near UTC and i don't
< 1514741311 107199 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was on new ... oh maybe that's just LANG
< 1514741317 107538 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $LANG
< 1514741317 912459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8
< 1514741337 717376 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's an hour fairer than if i used local hth
< 1514741352 80276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes two
< 1514741361 753759 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1514741423 749732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits password
< 1514741431 930969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-̈e oerjän oerjän shachäf oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän int-̈e shachäf shachäf oerjän boil̈y oerjän int-̈e int-̈e oerjän shachäf shachäf oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän gameman̈j int-̈e oerjän int-̈e oerjän mromän oerjän oerjän oerjän mroman̈_
< 1514741438 729783 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: don't you mean ###-----### twh <-- you're assuming it's double that makes you 50% likely to be wrong hth
< 1514741439 895720 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, which variant is the one that counts?
< 1514741473 645844 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bimonthly
< 1514741474 672411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "bimonthly" has at least two meanings, although this wisdom only gives about half of one. No matter which expert you follow, you're 50% likely to misinterpret it, or doubly so, depending on the phase of the moon.
< 1514741475 747639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at least i'm taking a risk and assuming something hth
< 1514741491 879915 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's the wisdom addition that started this hth
< 1514741519 94989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` TZ=Asia/Seoul date
< 1514741519 920721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mon Jan  1 02:30:47 KST 2018
< 1514741527 799998 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches in horror as he and shachaf are transformed into donkeys

< 1514741547 404401 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1514741567 14920 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he was assuming
< 1514741587 900066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: One time I had to submit a thing that said it must be submitted by some deadline in a time zone of your choosing
< 1514741607 105454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I used Baker Island, which is even in the US so how could they complain?
< 1514741653 180925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/aoe
< 1514741687 589791 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using that "time zone" is standard practice for deadlines for conferences (at least those I'm aware of)
< 1514741699 320187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1514741728 549549 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: always assume donkeys.
< 1514741867 655991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/lattice.jpg
< 1514741909 508223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the beginning of https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9075-latticehacks )
< 1514741957 82616 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1514741963 344450 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch that later
< 1514742006 975667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that is only a semilattice hth
< 1514742024 146490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose these are the other types of lattices.)
< 1514742053 421850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they mean integer lattices, not the algebraic structure)
< 1514742091 608123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has 27G of videos from the 34c3...

< 1514742104 405055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, GiB
< 1514742107 481954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :27000000000 videos?
< 1514742108 37842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1514742135 600397 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lattice
< 1514742136 701230 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lattice? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1514742181 415865 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn lattice//Lattices are healthy ingredients that join your sandwiches together.
< 1514742183 591752 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'lattice': Lattices are healthy ingredients that join your sandwiches together.
< 1514742190 510802 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there should be the dual "everywhere on earth" zone for when you want to reverse the blame...
< 1514742387 524161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fortunately it's just about 24h off from AoE, so you can just set the deadline a day earlier
< 1514742549 458342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more than 24 hours, though.
< 1514742578 197450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway presumably someone who isn't setting the deadline might still want the dual.
< 1514743286 677083 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutella ball time
< 1514744524 922711 :garit2!~garit@94.197.121.209.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514744525 50279 :garit2!~garit@94.197.121.209.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host
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< 1514753559 633151 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm water
< 1514755792 623063 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1514755797 717758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:endofunctor//Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. \ assembly//Assembly is a land of Segmentation Faults and insanity. \ sgeo//Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidence
< 1514755802 67291 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1514755802 762898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:d by his norn experiments. \ real fast nora's hair salon 3: shear disaster download//Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is the most readable functional programming language out there. \ norrible//norrible isn't not horrible nor not horrible, but both.
< 1514756172 280191 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood new year's evenily
< 1514756255 321520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan
< 1514756256 39711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Sun Dec 31 22:37:35 2017
< 1514756306 57449 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime
< 1514756308 70045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for boily is Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:38:26 -0500
< 1514756324 516479 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite but almost completely like new year.
< 1514756344 930927 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœirjan! bonne année grand nez!
< 1514756355 522508 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ursala just got added to the Great Polyglot started by ais523, if anyone remembers that... https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/152233/
< 1514756391 534976 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(«bonne année grand nez» «pareillement grandes dents» is a nonsense rhyme people wish upon each other at midnight.)
< 1514756404 534650 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, either referent of "that", i guess.)
< 1514756418 261100 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Ursala an esolang or not? I still don't know.
< 1514756500 425546 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, considering the ais523 code snippet, most definitely eso.
< 1514756555 874427 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ais523 didn't make it (at least not most of it), he made the challenge.
< 1514756567 48836 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are many non-esolangs in it.
< 1514756602 216019 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to the words in the rhyme have meanings, even if the whole doesn't?
< 1514756612 321101 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well some do, obviously)
< 1514756637 481219 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgetting to finish his pizza

< 1514756671 516496 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable225.73-200-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :«bonne année» is “happy new year”, and «pareillement» is “same to you“. everything else is childish playful rhyme.
< 1514757008 311653 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, Godt Snytt År to you!
< 1514757082 393847 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'd have thought that would have more google hits.
< 1514757242 994056 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to correct my spelling when i already did once and am trying to look at the second page of hits isn't very wise, google.
< 1514757253 217778 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wise
< 1514757254 221572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uninstalling software installed by the Wise Installation Wizard is unwise. It's neither clockwise nor counterclockwise nor otherwise.
< 1514757324 483710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn vise
< 1514757325 663507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "vise" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1514757325 710052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :vise
< 1514757325 710084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a holding device attached to a workbench; has two jaws to
< 1514757325 710093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         hold workpiece firmly in place [syn: {vise}, {bench vise}]
< 1514757351 101613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think of a terrible wise/vise pun, but couldn't. Maybe someone else will oblige.
< 1514757702 823131 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vises are scary and not wise to joke about hth
< 1514760755 342189 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :craziness is starting
< 1514761305 645299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noisy new year
< 1514761380 340706 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year
< 1514761488 740159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy old year, still.
< 1514761576 95366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hearing hundreds of euros going up in smoke
< 1514761906 609680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are euros for, if not making loud noises and bright lights?
< 1514761945 515228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point, I should listen to some loud music
< 1514762665 534050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 115792089210356248762697446949407573529996955224135760342422259061068512044369
< 1514762666 132547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/base.html
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< 1514762881 734154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's less fireworks here at new year than at that other firework-y night they've got.
< 1514762942 679605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the one that they made into a movie where they blew up the White House? :P
< 1514762991 128798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably been many movies like that, so I don't know. Not if you mean the US one.
< 1514763009 851850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By building a model of it and turning it sideways, filming from above. I still find that detail interesting.)
< 1514763055 690807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Independence Day" is what I'm talking about.
< 1514763081 914140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what other occasion for fireworks the US has.
< 1514763089 871598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in the US, though.
< 1514763095 286931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night is what I meant.
< 1514763097 355822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah sorry.
< 1514763207 976053 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1514763210 569433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And hmm, never heard about it? Though it does explain why Guy Fawkes masks are so common...)
< 1514763315 479831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've still got a big fireworks thing going on in central London (and probably elsewhere in UK as well) tonight, but it's not the sort of constant flashing and banging as it is on that other night.
< 1514763380 370284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland you're only legally allowed to do (amateur) fireworks from 6pm Dec 31st to something-am Jan 1st.
< 1514763567 710521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard England doesn't even do fireworks for independence day.
< 1514763654 246319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some on the US independence day, actually, but I think those were likely by US people who've moved here.
< 1514763722 178436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are a lot of countries that celebrate independence from the UK
< 1514763809 785784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_that_have_gained_independence_from_the_United_Kingdom
< 1514763821 918888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently.
< 1514763913 78902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I read somewhere is someone wrote a story, where they claimed that Shakespeare was the king of England, and because this was before the Declaration of Independence, that means he was the king of the whole world.
< 1514764102 795319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot pec that logic
< 1514764177 685049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn pec
< 1514764178 694934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "pec".
< 1514764274 476018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn peccable
< 1514764275 543930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "peccable" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1514764275 590398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :peccable
< 1514764275 590437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: liable to sin; "a frail and peccable mortal"- Sir Walter
< 1514764275 590449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :           Scott [syn: {peccable}, {peccant}]
< 1514764293 837414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, interestingly fireworks are only permitted inside cities if there's a special exception by the muncipality, and generally there isn't any. so I guess what I've been hearing was mostly technically illegal (some of it will have been officially registered events)
< 1514764297 833918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn pectoral
< 1514764298 962998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "pectoral" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1514764299 39281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pectoral
< 1514764299 85859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: of or relating to the chest or thorax; "pectoral organ"
< 1514764299 85892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :           [syn: {pectoral}, {thoracic}]
< 1514764299 85901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: either of two large muscles of the chest [syn: {pectoral},
< 1514764300 993069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4 @more lines]
< 1514764307 996425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was short for that.
< 1514764350 312638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of Austria)
< 1514764354 863648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: In Finland they've started forbidding them in cities too, or at least restricting to set locations.
< 1514764550 663201 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fireworks for independence day in the UK seems ironic
< 1514764575 681669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1514764610 857230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: except if they're ICBMs aimed at Boston.
< 1514764630 467083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while, maybe there's less hard feelings by now.
< 1514764648 822900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there's a "special relationship" now.
< 1514764742 128022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. "The beauty about adaptive [cryptographic] attacks is that they look exactly like Hollywood." (random bits flipping all over and stabilizing one by one)
< 1514764778 120755 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1514764781 783811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9021-squeezing_a_key_through_a_carry_bit now)
< 1514764783 475200 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9:
< 1514764783 551417 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |
< 1514764783 627714 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 | https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9021-squeezing_a_key_through_a_carry_bit now)
< 1514764783 674269 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |         ^
< 1514764783 674312 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected Operator without known fixity: ://