00:00:08 -!- Sd-Nicholas has changed nick to sdhand. 00:07:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:09:18 bonsœirjan! 00:09:35 zzo38: I... think so? but I don't know. 00:15:44 bood evenily! 00:25:02 -!- boily has quit (Quit: HUNTING CHICKEN). 00:25:44 . o O ( the chickens are restless ) 00:39:13 -!- lambdabot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:41:47 Ah, there goes the predictable VM reboot. 01:02:49 where did it go? 01:03:27 so, i assume today's xkcd is pretty much right that we're doomed. 01:05:24 That is the problem with these design they design the computer too much complicated 01:06:21 that analogy isn't quite right, but it's a good one 01:06:50 it's more like the phantom trolley only goes one way, but you can direct where it goes by flapping butterflies at it 01:09:17 Can't you make simpler computer designs that do not have these problems? 01:10:35 zzo38: yes but they don't run very fast 01:10:51 although rowhammer is not really a problem of simplicity but size 01:11:09 in fact it's normally fixed by making the memory more complex, to detect rowhammered bits and put them back to normal 01:12:16 Does SRAM have that problem too? 01:13:12 I think so, it might be more resistant to it though because the voltage levels for the bits are further apart 01:13:21 yay 01:13:33 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 01:14:01 O, OK 01:14:15 Yo. 01:14:51 zzo38: I dunno, but I think the problem with SRAM is that if you want a lot of it (like for gigabyte sized main rams) then it needs a ten times bigger chip than DRAM. so SRAM is used only for smaller pieces of memory. 01:15:43 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:16:13 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:16:50 Well, I still think it is going to be simpler than DRAM, it look like, to me. 01:17:10 (Since DRAM require refresh timings and so on, and if it is not the same as the instruction timing then it won't work.) 01:17:11 zzo38: simpler, yes. but bigger. 01:18:46 Just imagine needing a ten times bigger RAM card than your PC has now. 01:19:09 Yo. 01:19:26 great, lb is coming back 01:19:56 Who? 01:20:02 -!- lambdabot has joined. 01:20:07 lambdabot 01:20:14 oh there it is 01:20:16 @bot 01:20:24 :) 01:20:30 lol 01:22:50 ais523: I have to admit, tom7's word problem question turns out to be more complicated than I thought. I tried to think about it, and I couldn't really figure out a simple solution yet. 01:23:02 I still think he's using too big a gun, but still 01:23:30 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 01:27:27 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:27:56 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 01:29:37 -!- sprocklem has joined. 01:37:16 -!- jaboja has joined. 01:38:40 -!- Melvar has joined. 01:43:20 -!- fungot has joined. 01:43:47 -!- variable has joined. 01:44:58 -!- variable has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:46:41 -!- variable has joined. 01:50:51 -!- boily has joined. 01:51:26 -!- variable has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 02:05:41 wboily 02:09:37 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:11:18 de retoeurjan. 02:18:44 -!- MrBusiness3 has joined. 02:20:04 -!- dingbat_ has joined. 02:20:30 -!- staffehn_ has joined. 02:21:07 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 02:21:19 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:21:29 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 02:21:32 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 02:22:03 -!- alercah_ has joined. 02:26:47 -!- MrBismuth has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:47 -!- Vorpal has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:48 -!- Cale has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:48 -!- sparr has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:48 -!- dingbat has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:48 -!- incomprehensibly has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:48 -!- staffehn has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:48 -!- alercah has quit (*.net *.split). 02:26:52 -!- Vorpal_ has joined. 02:27:12 -!- dingbat_ has changed nick to dingbat. 02:27:42 -!- incomprehensibly has joined. 02:29:57 -!- danieljabailey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:31:59 -!- danieljabailey has joined. 02:33:06 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:34:06 -!- sparr has joined. 02:34:32 -!- Cale has joined. 02:37:51 that looks like a boily 02:38:45 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:47:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:50:16 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 02:51:37 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:52:31 QUINTHELLOPIA! 02:52:40 I am like myself. 02:53:04 -!- boily has quit (Quit: GLIDING CHICKEN). 03:01:18 -!- alercah_ has changed nick to alercah. 03:21:44 -!- erkin has joined. 04:14:49 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Alas.). 04:21:50 -!- shikhin has joined. 04:45:21 -!- garit has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:47:39 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:49:50 -!- augur_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 05:14:36 [[Neg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53752 * HereToAnnoy * (+5846) Created page "Neg" about a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad language. Ooooh, just like all my other languages! 05:15:58 [[User:HereToAnnoy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53753&oldid=53223 * HereToAnnoy * (+145) Added link to Neg 05:22:08 [[WCDA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53754&oldid=53090 * HereToAnnoy * (-112) soon? probably not soon... + "professionalism" 06:00:31 [[Neg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53755&oldid=53752 * HereToAnnoy * (+36) Derp - entered wrong functions by mistake 06:02:45 -!- variable has joined. 06:06:02 variable := "hello!" 06:07:51 Roger9: hai 06:29:44 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:52:47 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:15:56 -!- garit has joined. 07:15:57 -!- garit has quit (Changing host). 07:15:57 -!- garit has joined. 07:34:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:59:23 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:04:00 -!- variable has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 08:34:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Quit: HRII'FHALMA MNAHN'K'YARNAK NGAH NILGH'RI'BTHNKNYTH). 09:13:13 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 09:50:28 -!- sdfgsdfg has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:50:35 -!- sdfgsdf has joined. 09:51:20 -!- sdfgsdf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:51:40 -!- sdfgsdf has joined. 10:06:19 -!- sdfgsdf has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:10:27 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:10:56 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 10:17:55 -!- Melvar has joined. 11:11:03 -!- j-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:11:15 -!- j-bot has joined. 11:21:35 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 11:34:56 -!- boily has joined. 11:43:14 `5 w 11:43:33 1/1:metaturing//This wisdom entry was crushed by a falling anvil. \ precious//precious? That doesn't ring a bell. ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ hexham//Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico. \ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯//¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is the ¯\(°​_o)/¯ of urbandictionary \ zzo38mtg.php//http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php 11:43:34 `n 11:43:35 1/1:metaturing//This wisdom entry was crushed by a falling anvil. \ precious//precious? That doesn't ring a bell. ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ hexham//Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico. \ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯//¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is the ¯\(°​_o)/¯ of urbandictionary \ zzo38mtg.php//http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php 11:58:00 -!- boily has quit (Quit: RECENT CHICKEN). 12:30:57 -!- sdfgsdfg has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 12:37:58 -!- sdfgsdfg has joined. 13:32:01 -!- zseri has joined. 13:32:37 -!- variable has joined. 13:59:33 -!- variable has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 14:03:16 -!- jaboja has joined. 14:08:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:08:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 14:08:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:40:53 -!- sdfgsdfg has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:41:32 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:42:07 -!- boily has joined. 14:42:48 @metar CYUL 14:42:48 CYUL 061437Z 25020G29KT 1 1/2SM R24L/5500VP6000FT/N -SN BLSN OVC035 M23/M28 A3003 RMK SC8 SLP176 14:43:43 -!- jaboja has joined. 14:46:13 helloily 14:46:19 happy saturday 14:47:18 also urbandictionary is misspelled in that shruggie entry 14:47:41 QUINTHELLOPIA! 14:47:49 bon matin! 14:50:31 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:54:15 what do today 15:01:52 cooking cookies, then off to girlfriend! 15:01:59 do you today? 15:14:41 hi 15:15:21 zsellori! 15:26:44 i'm working 15:26:48 should be leaving already 15:27:15 but i already made some pastry pie crust this morning 15:28:18 -!- zseri has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:52:07 -!- danil has joined. 15:52:14 hello 16:08:49 -!- danil has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:12:46 quintopia: nice! 16:43:12 -!- dan_ has joined. 16:43:17 hi 16:43:36 -!- dan_ has changed nick to Guest32414. 16:43:50 hi 16:44:14 -!- Guest32414 has quit (Client Quit). 16:48:22 -!- variable has joined. 16:52:16 hello hello hello ♪ 16:52:23 -!- boily has quit (Quit: CRUMBLING CHICKEN). 16:59:44 I don't think people liked boily's musci 17:09:10 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 17:14:28 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 17:14:31 Wait wait wait. This one is actually important. 17:14:44 http://www.ioccc.org/index.html "The 25th IOCCC will be open from 2017-Dec-29 05:38:51 UTC to 2018-Feb-28 05:29:15 UTC." 17:14:50 Has this been `ioccclisted yet? 17:21:00 It seems like it hasn't been ioccclisted yet. 17:21:07 `ioccclist http://www.ioccc.org/index.html "The 25th IOCCC will be open from 2017-Dec-29 05:38:51 UTC to 2018-Feb-28 05:29:15 UTC." 17:21:09 ioccclist http://www.ioccc.org/index.html "The 25th IOCCC will be open from 2017-Dec-29 05:38:51 UTC to 2018-Feb-28 05:29:15 UTC.": b_jonas 17:21:48 https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/forums/news/announcements/132642-epic-services-stability-update <-- I guess game servers are a workload with lots of system call *and* significant memory use. 17:35:29 -!- sprocklem has joined. 17:47:51 -!- zseri has joined. 17:54:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:20:54 -!- moony has joined. 18:27:35 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:32:29 -!- variable has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 18:32:51 -!- sprocklem has joined. 18:32:53 -!- sprocklem has quit (Client Quit). 18:33:11 -!- sprocklem has joined. 18:53:35 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:55:32 -!- sprocklem has joined. 18:59:25 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 19:02:01 -!- zseri has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:27:05 -!- moony has changed nick to constructor. 19:27:35 -!- constructor has changed nick to prototype. 19:27:42 -!- prototype has changed nick to __proto__. 19:27:50 -!- __proto__ has changed nick to constructor. 19:51:40 oh my god 19:51:43 SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier 19:51:47 is a quine in javascript 19:52:02 -!- asdfbot has joined. 19:52:05 _eval SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier 19:52:05 SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier 19:52:11 _eval 1+2 19:52:11 3 19:52:23 i'm going to go cry now 19:55:33 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: ybden). 19:56:28 -!- ybden has joined. 20:16:24 -!- atslash has joined. 20:23:28 [[Numberwang/Implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53756&oldid=53751 * Unt * (+644) Rewritten with no floating-point arithmetic. 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They added nftables 0.8 as a backport for Debian stretch, but even though the nftables docs hyped the "you only have to update the userspace tools to enjoy new features" properties, it definitely looks like the thing I'm trying to do doesn't work on stretch. 22:31:24 i wonder 22:31:39 does HackEgo have a Intel CPU on the server? 22:31:44 :D 22:31:55 `cat /proc/sysinfo 22:31:56 cat: /proc/sysinfo: No such file or directory 22:31:58 aww 22:32:03 `ls /proc 22:32:04 1 \ 10 \ 2 \ 281 \ 285 \ 286 \ 287 \ 288 \ 289 \ 290 \ 291 \ 292 \ 3 \ 4 \ 47 \ 49 \ 5 \ 51 \ 6 \ 68 \ 7 \ 76 \ 77 \ 8 \ 9 \ buddyinfo \ bus \ cgroups \ cmdline \ config.gz \ consoles \ cpuinfo \ crypto \ devices \ diskstats \ driver \ execdomains \ exitcode \ filesystems \ fs \ interrupts \ iomem \ ioports \ irq \ kallsyms \ kcore \ kmsg \ kpageco 22:32:08 You mean "cpuinfo". 22:32:11 oh 22:32:12 lol 22:32:14 `` lscpu 22:32:16 Architecture: x86_64 \ CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit \ Byte Order: Little Endian \ CPU(s): 1 \ On-line CPU(s) list: 0 \ Thread(s) per core: 1 \ Core(s) per socket: 1 \ Socket(s): 1 \ Vendor ID: User Mode Linux \ Model name: UML \ BogoMIPS: 1895.62 \ Hyperviso 22:32:38 hypervisor. Has HackEgo been updated to patch Meltdown yet? :P 22:32:57 int-e: WDYT, are CloudAtSevereCost going to be real active in getting their infrastructure patched? 22:33:06 `` lscpu | sed 's= *= ' 22:33:08 ​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 7: unterminated `s' command 22:33:17 `` lscpu | sed 's= *= =' 22:33:18 Architecture: x86_64 \ CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit \ Byte Order: Little Endian \ CPU(s): 1 \ On-line CPU(s) list: 0 \ Thread(s) per core: 1 \ Core(s) per socket: 1 \ Socket(s): 1 \ Vendor ID: User Mode Linux \ Model name: UML \ BogoMIPS: 1875.96 \ Hypervisor vendor: VMware \ Virtualization type: ful 22:33:29 oh. 22:33:31 `` lscpu | sed 's= *= =g' 22:33:32 Architecture: x86_64 \ CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit \ Byte Order: Little Endian \ CPU(s): 1 \ On-line CPU(s) list: 0 \ Thread(s) per core: 1 \ Core(s) per socket: 1 \ Socket(s): 1 \ Vendor ID: User Mode Linux \ Model name: UML \ BogoMIPS: 1895.62 \ Hypervisor vendor: VMware \ Virtualization type: full 22:34:04 fizzie: I don't know, there's a chance that they'll be amazing and get around to it some time this year? 22:34:59 * int-e is assembling Minsky machines in Isabelle, fun. 22:35:10 Completely free of side channels. 22:35:55 I should probably reboot the wiki host, actually, since the Debian KPTI patch is out. 22:36:38 Probably should :P 22:36:42 Will be interesting to see if the wiki-to-IRC gateway comes back up right. 22:38:52 -!- esowiki has joined. 22:39:07 Well, what do you know, I didn't even have to do anything. 22:39:21 lol 22:39:30 Missed three lines from the logs though. :/ 22:39:45 (Four if you count the quit.) 22:39:53 fizzie: hmm, so 4.9.0-5 would contain the mitigation? 22:40:25 int-e: That's what the changelog sounded like. 22:40:27 i wonder, is the patch backported far enough to fix hackego, or you want to try getting 4.14 to work? (I got 4.12 to work a while ago under UMLBox) 22:40:44 -!- lambdabot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:41:38 or do you want to let us ruin HackEgo from inside out using Meltdown and Spectre? :P 22:42:46 Does the uml even contain any worthwhile secrets? 22:44:16 No, but I wouldn't be surprised if (a) the KPTI mitigation wouldn't really apply to UML, and (b) you could read the real kernel memory. 22:45:31 I mean all that leaking information isn't going to escalate your privileges. You should be able, in principle, to dump the kernel and find something to exploit to get the rights of the running user... 22:45:38 -!- lambdabot has joined. 22:46:01 ...which I'd hope is another sandbox (at least a chroot). 22:46:38 @botsnack 22:46:46 :) 22:48:28 I assume you could discover email addresses and hashed passwords of wiki users. I should probably look into cleaning up anything sensitive from there. 23:36:35 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:48:35 -!- variable has quit (Remote host closed the connection).