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> 1521467833 467298 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Domino14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54408&oldid=54407 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (-3) 10Deleted random " Sign.
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< 1521470816 174862 :dftgf!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1521474075 309401 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: printing spaces with printf width, I think that's normal and other people do that too
< 1521474085 987885 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reasonable use for printf
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< 1521474099 783751 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love printf by the way
< 1521474280 952142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1521474728 138870 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1521474731 524265 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too

< 1521474734 429861 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pure C pwns
< 1521474736 554886 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is evil
< 1521474760 737973 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not. I love C++ too.
< 1521474764 221455 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1521474776 153957 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just had moar to do with C than with C++ in his Life

< 1521474790 908814 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i used C++ moar i would probably learn to love it as well.  ☺
< 1521474791 594400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of the system logs (auth.log, syslog, kern.log) are written too often, what should be done about that?
< 1521474792 719035 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :9😸
< 1521474808 143543 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Look at Your syslogd or Clone?
< 1521474816 320079 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks nowadays evil systemd even does most of the Logging ☹

< 1521474913 488545 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: there's nothing wrong with that. C is fine for some things. Even if there's a lot I don't understand about it.
< 1521474948 61677 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: change the configuration of your syslogd
< 1521474992 874983 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? log
< 1521474994 888891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs: see channel topic.
< 1521475014 100005 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? clog
< 1521475015 314278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1521475138 143666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked in dmesg and found the message "sr0: CDROM not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive." several times even though I am not trying to use the CDROM, as well as a message that says "sd 3:0:0:0: [sda]  Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed". Nevertheless the computer seems to work. Why are these error messages in there?
< 1521475186 217562 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe some process is trying to use sr0 even though you don't?
< 1521475192 907501 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh wait
< 1521475203 354862 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second message about sda is more worrysome
< 1521475215 148847 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sda a hard disk you have data on?
< 1521475223 326174 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be bad
< 1521475261 199756 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your disk or disk controller might be dying. obviously that's unpredictable, it could die in a minute or last for years.
< 1521475277 964193 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm always worried if I see that kind of IO error message about a hard disk
< 1521475292 399817 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not when I see it for a removable media like a floppy or CD, there it's normal)
< 1521475321 106077 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the floppy or CD can get unusable too, but a hard disk costs more than a hundred times as much as a floppy or CD)
< 1521475457 362231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is a hard disk, although smartctl does not report any problem with any SMART attributes. It reports temperature as 29, but I do not know what temperature should be proper.
< 1521475457 829335 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CDROM message is irrelevant, I'd ignore it unless you have other problems with the optical drive near the same time
< 1521475478 440108 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :temperature 29? what is that measured in? degrees celsius?
< 1521475511 439180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is Celsius
< 1521475546 693994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It says "Temperature_Celsius")
< 1521475546 843377 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes, for Example the Linux-Kernel would probably suck if written in C++
< 1521475549 899574 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1521475556 577695 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would depend on what Libraries You include
< 1521475567 445425 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Kernel probably will not have the normal stdlibs
< 1521475579 724521 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SymbianOS is not _that_ bad either
< 1521475585 782136 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being fully C++
< 1521475592 233788 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: that's a matter of an age old debate, and, in any case, the kernel is already written in a really strange dialect of C, so if it were written in C++, then it would be written in a strange dialect of C++ too
< 1521475605 821103 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i still liked very much when Nokia released the OpenC-Stuffs for the E90 back then
< 1521475618 238562 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where You could do Unix-C-Stuffs like i was used to
< 1521475619 123555 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do kernel programming anyway, and I have no problem with some userland programs or libraries being written in C either
< 1521475625 501011 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1521475625 904337 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing C++ because I hate C or anything
< 1521475633 564469 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good
< 1521475638 755984 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate is generelly a bad Feeling
< 1521475641 813883 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Attitude
< 1521475643 338067 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using C++ because it's a great tool and I can accomplish a lot with it, including at work
< 1521475648 654080 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah
< 1521475653 734151 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I do have hate. it's just not directed at C
< 1521475664 942428 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are better targets
< 1521475770 467213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what temperature is reasonable for the hard drive? (It says 29 under VALUE, and 50 under WORST, and 0 under THRESH)
< 1521475827 578892 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a hardware guy, so I don't really know, but I think anything between 10 and 50 degrees celsius is definitely fine, anything above 100 degrees celsius is bad, and for the rest I have no idea
< 1521475867 17611 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you make sure to occasionally vacuum the dust accumulated in the computer
< 1521475972 731774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have a special vacuum cleaner for use with the computer (I have been trying to acquire one).
< 1521476068 144479 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need a special vacuum cleaner. An ordinary vacuum cleaner mostly works, except possibly for the cooling grills and fans.  For there, a vacuum cleaner doesn't help, but you might use either compressed air cylinders or an electric compressed air blower.
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< 1521476251 253925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although I have been told that a special vacuum cleaner is required
< 1521476343 802001 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   070   001   000    Old_age   Always       -       30 (Min/Max 12/30)
< 1521476346 769536 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   069   049   000    Old_age   Always       -       31 (Min/Max 12/36)
< 1521476381 652274 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other Harddisk does not seem to deliver that Information to SMART
< 1521476446 819136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have read is that Seagate stores the actual temperature in VALUE and WORST on attribute 194 (rather than the normalized value like it is supposed to do), and it does not have attribute 190
< 1521476732 228196 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen to hardware guys you trust, not me. I'm not good at hardware, my advice there is worthless.
< 1521476779 260047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I don't know any hardware guys
< 1521476835 146533 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: a few years ago one of my friends was horrified to discover that a) I put together my own PC, and B) I somehow was using far fewer screws than should be possible
< 1521476848 434208 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was after my graphics card fell out)
< 1521476850 360584 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's easier if you work in CS and you have coworkers who do hardware.
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< 1521476879 542498 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1521476881 979299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1521476906 612771 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. screwless computers aren't listed there
< 1521476912 604138 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: foods
< 1521476914 11259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, nutella, and cognac.
< 1521476915 267457 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's edible
< 1521476919 430985 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not there either
< 1521476923 617215 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nutella
< 1521476925 659562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nutella is a nutty substance. Taneb invented it for use in his automatic squirrel feeders.
< 1521476933 809263 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cognac
< 1521476935 380118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cognac is named for its strong cognitive effects. Taneb invented it, then somehow managed to keep it off the illegal drugs list.
< 1521476955 26849 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat wisdom/hypo*
< 1521476957 337021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/hypo*: No such file or directory
< 1521476973 217915 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/hyp*
< 1521476974 771283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/hyperbolic geometry wisdom/hyperbolic group
< 1521476977 995968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also note that only 9% of the file system is in use.
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< 1521479156 852210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also lack suitable backup media. I have a DVD writer drive but it does not work due to dust.
< 1521479213 272410 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can buy USB-connected DVD writers for cheap these days, or you can buy an USB3 external rack for SATA hard disks and buy multiple large hard disks
< 1521479249 439036 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this applies for home settings, not for businesses
< 1521479268 540077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have USB3
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< 1521479343 717551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do have blank DVDs.)
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< 1521479495 952412 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1521479632 276943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know what method should be used to make backups. What commands for backups are available on Linux?
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< 1521479736 761898 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I usually just bring my home machine to single user so barely any process runs and I can get a consistent snapshot of the file system state without anything trying to change it, then use a variant of this script to make tarballs http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=922051
< 1521479757 748719 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all sorts of more sophisticated methods, but I don't bother
< 1521479791 371967 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that if you have some really important files, like the stereotypical thesis you're writing or thesis your spouse is writing, then make copies of those often and distribute copies everywhere
< 1521479907 959922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not really have anywhere to distribute copies, although many of my files are available for public download
< 1521479920 81723 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521479945 555137 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there's a famous quote on that
< 1521479963 351983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What famous quote?
< 1521479979 120149 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;) – Linus Torvalds http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.3.91.960720095713.20645F-100000%40linux.cs.Helsinki.FI
< 1521480093 531168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have a tape anyways. But, anyone who wishes to mirror some of my files may do so
< 1521480108 149806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, the ones that are public)
< 1521480121 948182 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that quote is from lots of years ago when hard disks were small and there were no home CD writers
< 1521480126 353582 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the gist still applies
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< 1521480881 10387 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? birthday
< 1521480883 414577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :birthday? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1521481013 955819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version of perl do you need?
< 1521481209 374107 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that program was published in 2011, so perl 5.14 should definitely be enough, but I'd guess perl 5.10 might work too.
< 1521481231 931299 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although it isn't mentioned here, I later started to compress the tarballs with 7z instead of gzip
< 1521481286 64232 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but be careful, I don't really use the best backup practices
< 1521481293 303202 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even say I'm careless
< 1521481305 160321 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be better to ask someone more careful with this stuff
< 1521481345 533100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although 7-Zip already includes the list of files anyways, so then I wouldn't know why you will also need tar?
< 1521481372 530021 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-zip doesn't save unix attributes like file owner and group and permissions and symlinks
< 1521481381 849452 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to save those for a full system backup
< 1521481412 519391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I should need to save permissions and symlinks
< 1521481429 927678 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tar recognizes hard links when you archive all the fifty hard links to the git binary that git installs
< 1521481445 661021 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't recognize them when they're in separate archives, so the backup is a bit lossy that way
< 1521481610 81712 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I make the backup from a non-recursive bind mount of the root file system, so that other mounts (including the one that covers the bootstrap files in /dev etc) don't distract the backup
< 1521481705 920370 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe on if you want a working full backup of Linux, the device file /dev/console is important, it can be used before the devtmpfs is mounted over /dev , although this applies only if you're not using an initrd, which is getting rare these days
< 1521481723 230250 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's better to back up the files that are there in /dev rather than not back them up
< 1521481731 589326 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bind mount lets me do that
< 1521481775 729229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some of them are devices is it possible to back up such files? And, what is a bind mount?
< 1521482168 174519 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the devices, you just back up the meta-information stored on the file system, not the actual device, as in what device /dev/null and /dev/zero and /dev/console and /dev/fd0 etc refer to, not the actual contents of those devices. tar won't try to read the contents of the device files, just like how it doesn't try to read what a symlink points to
< 1521482168 274514 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1521482231 498323 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bind mount is a somewhat modern linux feature (although other unixes have similar) where you create a mount that isn't backed by a file system on a device, but just reflects (a subdirectory on) an existing mount in a different place on the file system. See the --bind option in man mount
< 1521482319 282954 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So eg. I create a bind mount with (mount --bind / /mnt/safe/root) then /mnt/safe/root/bin/sh will point to effectively the same file as /bin/sh , but this is not recursive, so if I have another file system mounted under /mnt/safe/kond then /mnt/safe/root/mnt/safe/kond will show the directory on the root file system, not the other file system that's
< 1521482319 398158 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mounted there in /
< 1521482350 442436 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a recursive bind mount with the mount --rbind option that does reflect the other mounts, but that's not what I want here.
< 1521482374 569203 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously if you have data on multiple file systems, then you may want to back those up too.
< 1521482572 928592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's how it works. I do not have multiple file systems
< 1521482674 434301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to perform incremental backups while the system is running?
< 1521483092 686475 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I back everything up to DVD
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< 1521484487 693824 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: performing backups while the system is running is much more difficult, because you have to be very careful not to end up in an inconsistent state, like where some data is moved from one directory to another, and you back up both directories when the data is in the other.
< 1521484547 868769 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are application-specific tricks (eg. subversion gives like four different ways to create a consistent copy of a repository), and there's modern solutions supported by the kernel and the file system, but I don't know how these work and I'm not the right person to ask.
< 1521484639 443646 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my home machine, I already turn off the computer often, so I can afford to stop most other processes when I'm creating the backup (the tarballs to a hard disk that is; I can run the system while I write the tarballs to DVD), and I can manage small but important files (like the stereotypical thesis) in a case by case basis (eg. I don't work on t
< 1521484639 597783 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thesis while I make a backup copy of it).
< 1521484668 51219 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ok, but what's your process of backing up everything to DVD? can you be a bit more specific?
< 1521484899 782680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you lease the file while making a backup of it?
< 1521484933 888275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the lease is broken, it can remember that it has not backed up that file and try again later)
< 1521485020 56114 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I just burn a new set of dvds aveyr few months
< 1521485106 930480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or will leasing the files not help?
< 1521485111 340131 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have any large files so my whole home directory fits on 3 DVD's
< 1521485129 602158 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... used to fit on only one tho
< 1521485196 914252 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep them in envelopes with the date I burned them written on them
< 1521485230 338473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the files on my computer might fit on three DVDs, but I have not tested this yet
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< 1521485368 249874 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of those, it's two DVD's worth of saved mp3's
< 1521485375 265818 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one with everything else
< 1521485430 94033 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have dvd envelopes with "December 2017 music collection part 1"
< 1521485433 813452 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1521485460 553773 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you'd have to lease all files (and all directories) at the same time, and if that was possible, it's more or less than same as stopping or suspending the system because nobody can write anything
< 1521485515 187335 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: do you store some of the backup DVDs in places other than the home where the computer is?
< 1521485539 21260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My backups are in a different country than the computer.
< 1521485546 466956 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about a quarter of my backups is photos, and this ratio will just increase as I'm doing more and more photography
< 1521485553 949006 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice
< 1521485586 430885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: TBH, it's really just an artefact of the fact that we already had a safety deposit box in a bank in Finland.
< 1521485590 794943 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no but I usually take my computer on trips, but don't take the dvd's. I have off-site backups onto AWS
< 1521485605 58162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does mean the off-site copy is only updated about once a year.)
< 1521485837 540171 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually now I think about it I could put some dvd's in the garage, which probably wouldn't burn even if the whole house did
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< 1521485864 374657 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, and you could say that my off-site backups are an artifact of having moved away from my parents' house but still storing some stuff there
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< 1521487762 671548 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international millennium for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
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< 1521489384 60309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is rsync suitable to make a backup on the DVD?
> 1521489439 666624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hatemath14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54409&oldid=54387 5* 03BMO 5* (+410) 10implemented the language & changed commands-listing to a wiki-table.
< 1521489446 747562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since I already have rsync in my computer)
< 1521489702 722042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what issues will there be with recording on DVD while the system is running? The man page for wodim says, for the information about the -dummy option, "It is recommended to run several tests before actually writing to a Compact Disk or Digital Versatile Disk, if the timing and load response of the system is not known."
< 1521489850 288343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, which DVDs are better, -R or +R? I have -R (and as far as I know the optical drive on my computer can record on DVD-R), but I don't know what is better
< 1521490096 692856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, if there are any of my public files that you want copies of (including clones of Fossil repositories), you may make those copies if you wish.
< 1521491211 230934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: at least you can replace USB cables without replacing the whole charger hth
< 1521491347 260411 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's much less of a problem these days than it used to be when computers were small and your whole computer had 128 MB of RAM and so CD burners couldn't afford to have hundreds of megabytes of buffer RAM right on the board. these days you don't have to worry about burning DVD while the system is running.
< 1521491402 718315 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's still some anecdotal evidence that it might be worth to burn disks at slower speed than the drive and disk are capable of, not because the burning fails, but because the disk might last longer, but it's hard to tell whether this actually matters
< 1521491452 785733 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as for -R versus +R disks, these days it doesn't matter at all. that started as some sort of two standards by two competing companies, but these days every drive and every software is compatible with every variant.
< 1521491488 354760 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and no, I don't think rsync is suitable for writing directly on the DVD
< 1521491596 831102 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For writing DVD or CD, I recommend first collecting a copy of what you want to backup to hard disk, which is the phase where it matters that other processes don't modify the source, then later you can write from that copy to DVD at leisure, for which I recommend http://libburnia-project.org/ if you're doing the burning on a linux system
< 1521491656 739740 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a set of command-line tools for writing (and reading) CD and DVD of all kinds
< 1521491761 119305 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I create backup tarballs on hard disk while the system is running, then write the tarballs onto DVDs
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< 1521492045 435294 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't the only software that can burn DVDs, and you can use others, it's just what I recommend.
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< 1521494880 784657 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible to design a language to be turing complete when it's only data type is a set
< 1521494893 261241 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without self modification. self modification makes anything turing if you try hard enough lol)
< 1521495373 604631 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1521495374 246598 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: sure, why not
< 1521495374 709359 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: you can represent any integer as a set
< 1521495410 375435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi \oren\_
< 1521495411 473612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi \oren\_. Horen\_.
< 1521495441 773861 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking into how such a language could be minimized, and what would the minimum instruction set for a set only language be
< 1521495545 295634 :wob_jonas!b03f189f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: can you have labels and goto? if so, then probably just have a two-counter Minsky machine, and call the numbers "sets", where instead of increasing, you form a singleton set, and instead of decreasing, you take an arbitrary element of the set but test if it's empty
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< 1521500897 285504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how come you didn't replace 5? with something else tdnh
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< 1521500954 630328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:39)  If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ...   I'd call it jabbear. \ 587)  I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish   I don't fit in your quaint little categories \ 89)  Hooray!   I'm an idiot. \ 1268)  editor flame wars are fun, I typically take the side of emacs and vim ve
< 1521500958 375092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1521500959 187484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:rsus everything else   normally I can get most of the emacs /and/ vim users round to my side, thus catching out all the other-editor-users who thought they were safe \ article//An article is something that `learn can understand.
< 1521500984 334736 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need to learn emacs
< 1521500995 807270 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks useful, and its certainly faster than atom
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< 1521512916 998522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Can the trace/contraction of a linear map/tensor be thought of as connecting its output to its own input somehow?
< 1521512944 649478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sum of eigenvaluese, which are related to fixed points, at least.
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< 1521519041 25756 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/240647581?t=03h04m39s -- mrguy888 playing Prismata with his monitor turned off... and winning
< 1521519056 786827 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :His opponent got so mad that he walked away from his computer, lol
< 1521519073 325241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work?
< 1521519086 170034 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just using sounds to figure out what's going on
< 1521519105 518094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I've always played with it muted.
< 1521519112 681412 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he does look at the set of units at the beginning
< 1521519122 407468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he does -- yes
< 1521519163 406394 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apooche:i think the other type of blindfolded is legit. but this is like if chess players just put blindfolds on and then moved pieces around themselves, trying to figure out what opponent did by listening carefully to the pieces being picked up and put down"
< 1521519189 661594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do different cards make different sounds?
< 1521519194 987148 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they do now
< 1521519215 259087 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been some nice updates lately, it just released to Steam Early Access the other day
< 1521519234 911641 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leading up to that there were some polishing features added
< 1521519243 242476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no Linux support?
< 1521519260 404859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did play through the campaign.
< 1521519265 332710 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had technical problems with getting native linux to work
< 1521519282 336835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think I only did one expert challenge. They're tricky.
< 1521519283 839457 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Chrome/Pepperflash works fairly well for me now.
< 1521519314 229806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so ridiculous that they made this game in Flash.
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< 1521519335 651789 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be fair, they started in something like 2009
< 1521519349 778899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still ridiculous.
< 1521519357 186448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they going to rewrite it?
< 1521519401 561216 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubt there are any specific plans at the moment
< 1521519427 588105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, the game has keyboard controls now?
< 1521519435 771544 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always had keyboard controls
< 1521519460 801464 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, the names of the units were picked so that their first initials were all on the left hand of the qwerty keyboard layout
< 1521519467 327519 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the base set)
< 1521519468 358658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that
< 1521519473 730488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean clicking units and that sort of thing
< 1521519505 119656 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just Q to click drones / defend semi-reasonably / breach semi-randomly
< 1521519524 64967 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can hold shift while clicking to click a whole pile
< 1521519530 536624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK
< 1521519532 525702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know all those
< 1521519561 896848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw an undo and thought it was a way to unclick a pile
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< 1521519753 131670 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1521520711 224954 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, yes, the trace can be thought of like that
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< 1521520821 755868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1521520866 975348 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looking for a lecture about it...
< 1521520871 894818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other question I had was, can I think of a (2,0) tensor as having "two outputs" in a reasonable way?
< 1521520894 213464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:05  How should I think of a (2,0) contravariant tensor like A^i^j? A (0,2) covariant tensor as a bilinear form makes sense, it takes two vectors and produces a  scalar linearly in each. Can I think of a (2,0) tensor as "producing two vectors" somehow? Certainly it's not just a pair of vectors.
< 1521520903 777957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:24  I guess what I mean is that a (2,0) tensor is like a vector whose components are vectors.
< 1521520909 434799 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, effectively, yes. Are you familiar with string diagrams?
< 1521520916 44995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to some other conclusions but they're all kind of vague.
< 1521520932 813240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, string diagrams are how I started thinking about all this.
< 1521520942 858758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/shachaf/status/974811286474129408
< 1521521173 234355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally, a (0,2) tensor is a bilinear form, i.e. something that bilinearly takes two vectors and gives you a scalar.
< 1521521209 998589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also contract it with a (2,0) tensor, even though in general that's not expressible as the product of two vectors. So that's the sense in which it behaves like it's "producing two vectors"
< 1521521221 943563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That and the variance, of course.)
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< 1521521518 791608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Even when V is one-dimensional, V⊗V is different from V? It can be contracted with a bilinear form.
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< 1521522249 220903 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Finally found something reasonable. I can't find any of the references that I learned this from http://www.math.zju.edu.cn/wjd/TN/nutshell.pdf
< 1521522266 382245 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses physicsy notation, hopefully it's all right :)
< 1521522345 571973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physicists have some pretty clever notation. Among all the other notation.
< 1521522389 263814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the Levi-Civita symbol be basis-free?
< 1521522751 128679 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is an interesting question, but I'd have to even figure out what it means first :D
< 1521522769 109936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I see that theye're saying to use the Kronecker delta to join up an input to an output
< 1521522783 650610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can't trace be defined even when you don't have that?
< 1521522831 39043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm looking for an idea of what the trace "means"
< 1521522861 369431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to compute it but what does it mean to connect a function's output to its input? Something related to fixed points?
< 1521522959 815644 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might also be worth looking at what happens when you wire a linear operator up the wrong way around
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< 1521523150 247693 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really seen this particular bunch of stuff entirely extricated from basis-dependent descriptions. Usually you do the basis-dependent thing, and only later prove that various widgets like the trace are basis independent.
< 1521523173 670476 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this cup and cap might be basis dependent... obviously the identity map isn't
< 1521523226 4087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But trace isn't.
< 1521523244 53492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I found https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0723086913000790 which talks about trace in various contexts
< 1521523281 963700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure it answers my question exactly
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< 1521563946 617109 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't got a Underload interpreter, so why not use FUNGOT?
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< 1521570963 437874 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The phrase "undermining bitcoin" wanders around in your mind in search of something to connect with. )
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< 1521572287 263462 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :v3. lolo, lolere, lololli, loltum
< 1521572295 865349 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they loled would be "lolollerunt"
< 1521572303 296967 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lolcow would be a "vacca lolta"
< 1521572826 852267 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaccas loltas lololli
< 1521573015 493080 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like this?
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< 1521575344 76513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?
< 1521575394 734046 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1521575406 450549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`'
< 1521575407 694473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :174)  I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck   that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi
< 1521575538 859523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^
< 1521575539 594579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^: not found
< 1521575555 773261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a hat of wisdom?
< 1521575593 259009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought  `mkx bin/^//quote|rev;quote
< 1521575624 152166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the opposite way.
< 1521575639 445252 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``
< 1521575640 467985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :168)  elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew.   wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here?   what   Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle.
< 1521575654 336502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`´
< 1521575655 569631 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ´: not found
< 1521575705 394983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess it's more annoying an idea than a funny one anyway.
< 1521575734 569940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1521575743 522300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does mean it fits right in.
< 1521575766 582722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wElCoMe
< 1521575774 63460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN EfNeT Or dAlNeT.)
< 1521575825 895699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`annoy
< 1521575826 814111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: annoy: not found
< 1521575941 453339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` w # is this the random wisdom thingy?
< 1521575944 13527 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​fish//Come and dance and love the fish! Mister Disco summoned it.
< 1521575954 21303 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WelCome
< 1521575957 830995 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WelCome: not found
< 1521575963 534709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`# it is//w
< 1521575964 166590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: `# //`
< 1521575969 921914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses
< 1521575976 467207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`# let's try this again//`w
< 1521575980 669508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​btw//btw is short for "bury the weasel"
< 1521576051 687693 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wtf
< 1521576053 576844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF means Welcome To Finland.
< 1521576066 150183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "Want To Forget" )
< 1521576136 304150 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why but I really like idea of perfect form of "lol" being reduplicated like "curro, cucurri"
< 1521576165 32770 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ego lololli
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< 1521580613 561917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: HireFly
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< 1521585368 733104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Looking at that paper again now
< 1521585376 127816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some readers familiar with relativity will note similarities with the metric tensor—here we will always work in a flat Euclidean space, meaning the metric tensors are trivial"
< 1521585425 55068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like this isn't quite a satisfying explanation of trace.
< 1521586617 467585 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh
< 1521586636 235555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell\oren\_
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< 1521587686 407354 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell\oren\_
< 1521587702 502738 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf.
< 1521587737 275781 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fungot is everything “trivial” in math papers. it's not trivial. it's never trivial.
< 1521587737 539489 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what he claims is inconsistent is not the language itself could well be much worse than ghc's simplified expressions.
< 1521588082 828960 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the feeling that "trivial" is math speak for "I just don't feel like proving it"
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< 1521588832 765608 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of a great story I'm going to butcher
< 1521588844 978553 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prof is teaching a class, and states a lemma is obvoius
< 1521588850 747738 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the students says it isn't
< 1521588871 964612 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prof checks his notes, there is no proof
< 1521588874 834443 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :he stares at it
< 1521588885 571446 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't see it
< 1521588900 256816 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :tells his students he'll dig up the proof and tell them next class
< 1521588908 779201 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :he goes back and does some searching to figure out where he copied it from into his notes
< 1521588914 792774 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original paper states the lemma with no proof
< 1521588919 353991 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is written by him
< 1521588935 640730 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to a very sheepish return to class the next lecture
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< 1521591747 471066 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: the way I heard that story, the prof was at yorku. he stated a lemma as being obvious. a student asks: "is that really obvious?" the professor stared at the chalkboard for a minute... two minutes... three minutes. the students also stared at it. some scribbled in their notebooks. after 10 minutes of silence, the professor announced: "yes, it's obvious."
< 1521591841 278672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a well-known but different story.
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< 1521593452 916426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a nice list of different types of proof on one of those humoristic text files that go around and around.
< 1521593475 183522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~heycock/proof.html is the first instance I could find, though I'm sure they vary.
> 1521595214 678530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54423&oldid=54296 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+175) 10/* Kolakoski sequence */ Copy my golfing answer here
< 1521595252 977455 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ^
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< 1521595845 28892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Oh man, polycategories are obviously the answer here.
< 1521595918 777394 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you have a category problem, and think "i'll use polycategories"... )
< 1521595958 402685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It gets worse. What I want is a 2-polycategory.
< 1521596005 461543 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound worse.
< 1521596005 993671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll settle for a regular polycategory for now.
< 1521596019 348028 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###

< 1521596024 842810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1521596030 118816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do to deserve that
< 1521596036 517719 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"regular" hth
< 1521596045 425246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that a pun?
< 1521596063 474321 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the joke i was alluding to, no less
< 1521596083 682601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get it.
< 1521596110 634921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once punned without noticing it

< 1521596195 891760 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn People who've punned without noticing it//People who've punned without noticing it includes: oerjan shachaf
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> 1521602774 950799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54424&oldid=54423 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+105) 10/* Thue-Morse sequence */ Shorter version
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< 1521603760 642572 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof by reduction to the wrong problem is pretty funny
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< 1521613195 506401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: whoa, tr(ABCDE) = tr(EABCD) etc. is really obvious with string diagrams using cups and caps
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< 1521626478 239434 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah :)
< 1521626978 665250 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Future oerjan: very nice re: Fueue golf!
< 1521627137 90773 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(past oerjan?)
< 1521627143 165068 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the oerjans for sure)
< 1521627560 68014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: To which of the things I said?
< 1521627591 710348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: future oerjan. fuerjan.
< 1521627616 265323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously fuerjan would be the one interested in Fueue
< 1521627645 2877 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That the trace relation is obvious with string diagrams
< 1521627653 126359 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that logic is impecabl
< 1521627654 125312 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1521627695 616296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yes.
< 1521627742 89423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Representable polycategories are too good
< 1521627833 929389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: By the way, do you remember that we talked about generalizing eigenvectors/eigenvalues to other categories?
< 1521627844 207622 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :My typing is also impecable
< 1521627844 463124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think we did
< 1521627875 457726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway there's a clear meaning of scalar multiplication in any monoidal categories, which I didn't realize
< 1521627924 325381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a scalar is an arrow : I -> I where I is the identity of the tensor product
< 1521627938 853179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I *am* the identity
< 1521627985 85464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway what are some monoidal categories where Home(I,I) isn't trivial?
> 1521628083 395920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54425&oldid=53141 5* 03Thenewcomposer 5* (+2194) 10A Simple, Low-Level, Interpreted Language
> 1521628111 715013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54426&oldid=54425 5* 03Thenewcomposer 5* (+2) 10/* Hello World */
> 1521628123 970051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54427&oldid=54426 5* 03Thenewcomposer 5* (+2) 10/* 99 Bottles */
> 1521628256 266170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54428&oldid=54400 5* 03Thenewcomposer 5* (+12) 10/* M */
< 1521628696 909661 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing I can think of is the category of modules over some ring
< 1521628781 9244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to generalize from vector spaces, so that's pretty similar
< 1521628813 371454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the category of abelian groups with Z as the tensor identity I think
< 1521628839 685766 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's equivalent to modules over Z?
< 1521628894 764243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a notion of the "trace" of an abelian group homomorphism? Maybe it gives the rank of the group when applied to the identity or something?
< 1521628897 893778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1521628919 297321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's not anything new
< 1521628957 321377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd settle for something where Hom(I,I) has more than one element. Even just two.
< 1521629283 449044 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gut is telling me that if it has more than one it must necessarily have an infinite number
< 1521629299 302329 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my brain isn't convinced
< 1521629332 15798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Rel?
< 1521629360 601591 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's I here?
< 1521629383 168269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Rel is monoidal with the usual Cartesian product
< 1521629397 745251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I is a singleton
< 1521629431 695859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's two "scalars"
< 1521629441 445468 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} and {(X,X)}?
< 1521629468 79479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1521629517 865762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where composition behaves like and, I guess, if the empty set is false
< 1521629554 826479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does scalar multiplication on a relation do?
< 1521629567 600864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in bed failing to sleep and typing this on my phone
< 1521629662 441871 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got a (*0) and a (*1) there basically
< 1521629665 618622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 1*f is f, and 0*f takes every relation to the empty relation
< 1521629669 33500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1521629674 722072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too interesting
< 1521629689 831566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you define a "trace"?
< 1521629711 713482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it maybe measure the diagonal?
< 1521629778 369357 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What properties should the trace have, here?
< 1521629785 805152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure
< 1521629806 163421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one good property is traveling(AB) = tr(BA)
< 1521629809 749132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr
< 1521629908 887740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I guess Rel has a dagger thing, so you can define trace through that presumably
< 1521630017 160971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think tr(f) is 1 if (x,x) is in f for any x
< 1521630040 230694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense gives how relation composition works, right?
< 1521630074 476560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have f : A -> B and g : C -> D
< 1521630099 370881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1521630117 37670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have f : A -> B and g : B -> C
< 1521630142 696220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have be fxg : AxB -> BxC
< 1521630167 695672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you trace on that B you want to end up with the composition g.f
< 1521630177 9212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think you do
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< 1521630709 841966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should've just looked it up
< 1521630725 867936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are at least two possible tensor products and each one of them gets a trace
< 1521631034 658346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can represent this as vector spaces too apparently
< 1521631523 913458 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is Rel isomorphic to GF(2)-Vect?
< 1521631537 40441 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably not
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< 1521632365 237231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So odd: there's wifi on this plane..
< 1521632452 397424 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just plane weird
< 1521632613 203389 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you know, I think Rel is isomorphic to GF(2)-Vect
< 1521632766 440531 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which suggests a trace being hte parity of the diagonal
< 1521632867 210444 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does this sound concievable?
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< 1521633565 309456 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trace in general does not have the property tr(AB) = tr(BA))
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< 1521634497 31995 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, all Norwegian flights offer free wifi apparently, it was a nice surprise when I flew a while ago
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< 1521637300 835141 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :110101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101 ...too much output!
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< 1521637385 855786 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 ...bad insn!
< 1521637393 357013 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (1)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*a~^*a*~:^):^
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< 1521637405 199108 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (1)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*~^*a*~:^):^
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< 1521637458 187875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: So I've heard, but this is my first time. It's a BA flight, they're slowly rolling it out so you never know if there will be wifi until after takeoff.
< 1521637462 467688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it's not free.)
< 1521637493 3804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm trying to work, so I can probably expense it.)
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> 1521646891 653327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hatemath14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54434&oldid=54431 5* 03Sane theinsane 5* (+1) 10/* Examples */
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< 1521656151 583946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be transporting this computer for repair today, so the server will be unavailable during that time. Is there any considerations that should be made when transporting it?
< 1521656266 488654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think it's not GF(2) but a ring where 1+1=1
< 1521656296 704610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trace doesn't in general have that property? When doesn't it?
< 1521656306 87524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about considerations when transporting a computer?
< 1521656326 690228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for endomorphisms A,B
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< 1521656387 669922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Remove the disk first?
< 1521656388 113378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1521656401 244980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that computer is now being transported inconsiderately. :/
< 1521656503 571767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 did not leave us much time for consideration
< 1521656508 672328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you like to be transported? 
< 1521656509 167574 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you had to choose one above the yellow block device, and talk fnord over it, and apply on an arbitrarily long integer math program somewhere that uses the list of constants is smaller in overall volume.
< 1521656574 412867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't zzo38 live somewhere in Canada? Wonder if I'm near that computer.
< 1521656603 614872 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe zzo38 lives *at* canada
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< 1521658571 978332 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (1)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*a~^*^*a*~:^):^
< 1521658572 1039 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 ...bad insn!
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< 1521658925 221585 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAA stupid global variable initialization order
< 1521658947 670467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they initialized before smart global variables?
< 1521658974 828271 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: apparently not
< 1521659003 531856 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specificly, for some reason a global std::string gets compiled into CODE not data
< 1521659143 830102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm?
< 1521659208 590082 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it's a const std::string. I think it should be compiled into data representing the string. but instead code gets generated which allocates and fills the string up
< 1521659263 674444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make that work in C++?
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< 1521659294 249122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant that «std::string s = "blah";» would somehow put "blah" into the code section.
< 1521659360 792802 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would somehow put {5,"blah"} or hoever the string is represented after initialization, into the code section. because it's a const
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< 1521659405 805749 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same thing happens to const int i = 5;
< 1521659428 592939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But std::sring is just a class.
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< 1521659712 309596 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why that matters?
< 1521659767 996481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, are you saying the compiler should special-case this class, or that any string class should be able to do this?
< 1521659854 198553 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any class, ideally
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< 1521660073 529957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having const std::string not copy its argument in this context or something like that?
< 1521660139 640886 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. it shoudl just compile to the memory layout of a fully initialized std::string, in read-only memory
< 1521660150 273881 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase it's const
< 1521660160 322027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what you want it to do. But how should it achieve it?
< 1521660197 383294 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it already knows how to run arbitratry code at compile time, so jsut run the initializer at compile time
< 1521660211 269540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::string, even const std::string, allocates memory
< 1521660232 151221 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it allocates memory, allocate it from the code section
< 1521660261 626033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you make that work?
< 1521660266 850020 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil
< 1521660341 356848 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when new is called during compile-time, you special case that to allocate from the code section instead of the heap
< 1521660367 779522 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new and new[] are already builtin 
< 1521660618 277990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you be okay with just a const std::string_view? AIUI, it's a literal type (has a constexpr constructor), so maybe it handles like that already.
< 1521660653 40273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, string_view would be the best C++ answer to this of course.
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< 1521660889 546145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have also done all kinds of workarounds using facilities that actually exist in C++, like https://github.com/akrzemi1/static_string
< 1521661151 829685 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray, this time it DIDNT crash before the start of main()
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< 1521662177 379737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sure, if you use a separate class that's for this purpose.
< 1521662198 781640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe std::string could do something different in the const constexpr case?
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> 1521664200 250753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54436&oldid=54330 5* 03DMC 5* (+2) 10
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> 1521664288 962281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54437&oldid=54436 5* 03DMC 5* (-2) 10/* Description */
< 1521664527 381352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: See http://www.inf.u-szeged.hu/actacybernetica/edb/vol23n1/pdf/actacyb_23_1_2017_18.pdf
< 1521664558 336540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is about a different monoidal category but mentions that one too.
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< 1521665357 196343 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, totally true. There was some algebraic topology result that Kozlov claimed without proof in an introductory paper, spending only a few lines to even state it, and we really wanted it to be true. At first we thought it was a mistake, then after thinking about the whole paper for over a month with my advisor, we figured that it was indeed
< 1521665357 269692 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a trivial result that Kozlov could have seen as so obvious that he didn't include a proof.
< 1521665377 912112 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it was actually Kozlov, may have been some other mathematician.
< 1521665476 358 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this started from a quote with the other meaning of "trivial".
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< 1521665756 316964 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for a string_view it can be done, yes, and there are very likely two interfaces that do that, both just calling the constructor with a string literal (since then the string_view will point into that literal, and the literal will likely be in a mapped read-only section of the exe), or using a certain user-defined literal that later versions 
< 1521665756 398099 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the standard library provide.
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< 1521665880 383336 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I think you usually can't do it for a std::string, because (except possibly for a short string) that simply assumes that the contents is stored in an array allocated with the allocator (by the default new function in an ordinary string) and will try to free it if you destroy the string. And even a const string will typically be destroyed i
< 1521665880 454860 :wob_jonas!b03f1927@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.39 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n C++.
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< 1521671043 273823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily!
< 1521672194 10739 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know the hex game?
< 1521672543 143939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the one where you make a path from one side of the board to the other?
< 1521672707 379739 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1521672762 853888 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that the game isn't over yet, and red makes a move
< 1521672782 612569 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
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< 1521672792 862238 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fast way to tell if this move wins?
< 1521674080 690707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: did you get your registration in?
< 1521674097 799569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we should game a game
< 1521674175 524805 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to, but it bugged :/
< 1521674182 300074 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, broken error messages and shit.
< 1521674193 383620 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying again.
< 1521674228 296842 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. closed.
< 1521674528 435495 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You could keep track of which sides of the board each stone is connected to, and propagate it as stones are added
< 1521674546 76271 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:9436:2b8a:6b22:8aae PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: and then you only need to check the neighbours of newly added stones
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< 1521674594 145540 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really good idea!
< 1521674696 718304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But note that the naive way of keeping track of that can involve updating a lot of stones in a single move.
< 1521674720 174587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fancy algorithm for it is a union-find thing.
< 1521675305 310315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say I didn't expect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoidal_category to be protected.
< 1521675610 437582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i assume it closed within an hour of opening on the 10th
< 1521675629 193052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when should we game
< 1521675646 334244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know whether there's an efficient online algorithm for strongly connected components in a directed graph?
< 1521675709 782574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1521675796 167697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems difficult
< 1521675824 705711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1521675832 689609 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is streaming?
< 1521675841 94429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodes or arcs?
< 1521675890 173898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess arcs?
< 1521675893 881841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in union-find.
< 1521675930 131818 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i guess the obvious thing wouldn't be too inefficient
< 1521675947 26651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the obvious thing?
< 1521676140 917077 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: weekend of the...
< 1521676149 256286 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does hard mental arithmetic

< 1521676176 445411 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-8 April I can game.
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< 1521676861 112791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i probs can then
< 1521676867 645988 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that sounds like something that probably exists, at least if you specify the problem precisely. the input is streaming arcs, but what is the output? is the input also streaming queries, mixed with the arcs, like for union-find? you should search the internet for something like this, and if you can't find it, ask on https://cstheory.stack
< 1521676867 714371 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exchange.com/
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< 1521676900 838006 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that sounds like something that probably exists, at least if you specify the problem precisely. the input is streaming arcs, but what is the output? is the input also streaming queries, mixed with the arcs, like for union-find? you should search the internet for something like this, and if you can't find it, ask on https://cstheory.stack
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< 1521676932 910955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: to collapse nodes into components as they become strongly connected
< 1521676949 331671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if arcs cant be deleted i mean
< 1521677052 962299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that means adding one edge can take time linear in the number of nodes.
< 1521677062 884463 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you should check TAOCP chapter 7.4 if it's released (even in preview form) by the time you need this.
< 1521677119 387611 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wait a moment, I don't think it's in there, but let me quickly check the Cormen-Leiserson-Rivest-Stein book and the ed. Iványi book in case it says something about this.
< 1521677140 66000 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: have you tried searching the internet? you've given good keywords, like "online" and "streaming" and "strong components"
< 1521677391 532736 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I might be missing it, but I don't see this mentioned in the Cormen-Leiserson-Rivest-Stein book. However, it does talk about the union-find algorithm, which is the analog of this for undirected graphs, in ch. 21 of second ed., so you might try to follow the references given at the end of the chapter.
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< 1521678057 621796 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: try some web searches then
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< 1521679220 272888 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a web search gives this article that might answer your question: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-19754-3_20 Luigi Laura; Federico Santaroni, "Computing Strongly Connected Components in the Streaming Model", (2011) In: Marchetti-Spaccamela A., Segal M. (eds) Theory and Practice of Algorithms in (Computer) Systems. Lect
< 1521679220 373183 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ure Notes in Computer Science, vol 6595. Springer, Berlin, Heidelberg
< 1521679245 894207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I was the one asking the question, not quintopia.
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< 1521679329 844506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried searching the Internet but I don't think I've found a clear answer.
< 1521679370 537179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with SCCs is that a single edge can collapse n SCCs into one. Whereas a single undirected edge will only collapse two CCs into one.
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< 1521679466 532293 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well yes, so that only works if you count the runtime in an amortized way, in which case you pre-pay for collapsing any components when you create them, but you might not want that
< 1521679481 844884 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what your requirements are
< 1521679504 589936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wanting an API like union-find
< 1521679549 410320 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, but is it fine if it's fast only in an amortized way? the undirected union-find is already fast only in that case I think
< 1521679599 120367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know what the possibilities are.
< 1521679618 657819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered about this for a while. Whatever specific use case I had I've already forgotten about.
< 1521679720 83194 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find part of the above article at https://books.google.hu/books?id=tuBCHZQMLC8C&lpg=PP2&ots=481X0N2bbp&lr&hl=hu&pg=PA193
< 1521679800 721264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't see that reference.
< 1521680028 544269 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can't expect anything faster than for the undirected version, because you can get the undirected version as a special case of the digraph version
< 1521680040 390656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
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< 1521680913 108285 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan
< 1521680944 33689 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellonas
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< 1521681028 164814 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps you can help with shachaf's algorithms question
< 1521681163 798567 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is scared of shachaf's questions lately

< 1521681184 967873 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to be about category wedge linear stuff i don't really know.
< 1521681188 477925 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, want to debug opengl instead?
< 1521681194 999451 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1521681199 384958 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1521681209 676371 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this one isn't, it's just plain algorithm theory
< 1521681216 638182 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on that note, opengl is driving me insane at the moment)
< 1521681217 957698 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i don't know opengl at all, so i can easily excuse myself.
< 1521681221 979100 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have an algebraic topology question if that helps
< 1521681228 365353 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1521681243 751842 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if it's simple enough.
< 1521681276 83393 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did once read enough to understand brouwer's theorem, but that was more than 15 years ago
< 1521681298 837685 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jordan-brouwer
< 1521681338 899791 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although presumably brouwer's open mapping theorem too
< 1521681370 685245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1521681376 167116 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one that implies that R^m is not actually homeomorphic to R^n, which is nice to know.)
< 1521681383 113820 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(m /= n)
< 1521681389 986137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure you know more about wedge linear stuff than i do hth
< 1521681411 442184 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh yeah, I know about that one
< 1521681421 687350 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't really bet on it
< 1521681431 827278 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a little written about it in my conference slides, although you won't find a proof there
< 1521681478 13795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What are some clever algorithms I don't know about?
< 1521681497 62260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anyone else
< 1521681502 907959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably an easier question
< 1521681521 876285 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Jiří Matoušek has a definitive book on it by the way, and it's well-written
< 1521681590 541390 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm tired, so I can only give a meta-answer to that: read Knuth's TAOCP; the Cormen-Leiserson-Rivest-Stein book; and the ed. Iványi book, they have lots of algorithms, and I'm quite sure there are so many you don't know of them that you can find one you don't know by choosing randomly and retrying
< 1521681626 779877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have lots of algorithms, but how many are clever?
< 1521681660 186809 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you want specifically clever ones?
< 1521681671 485483 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a question on MathOverflow or Cstheory SE asking for those
< 1521681745 735702 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/189/8067
< 1521682016 268803 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mboonysoir, bonsϿirjan.
< 1521682046 615221 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1521682140 147751 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wobon_jonasoir.
< 1521682295 302317 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhelloily.
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< 1521682801 919553 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril.
< 1521682801 994395 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i could say " the"
< 1521682811 252531 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: die bart, die.
< 1521682811 527045 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's the difference, as i'm sure you have a wacom tablet thingy. turns out it was too easy
< 1521682824 510584 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: my bro has one; should I borrow it?
< 1521682824 618957 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there are _way_ too many things about their performance too.
< 1521682883 585867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has some good answers
< 1521682901 217596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm irritated to have clicked a stackoverflow referral link
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< 1521683572 773397 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know those are insecure and of an obvious format, right? you can just remove the user id from the end and get a valid link, with the id of the question or answer before it
< 1521683587 809609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, that's what I do when I'm at my computer
< 1521683613 674187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my phone IRC client doesn't have an easy way to copy a link without opening it in a browser
< 1521683646 156080 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also the whole system changed at some point about a year ago, since then referral links with a referrer within SE still count, so now I get ten times more referrals, mostly from internal links in comments and answers
< 1521683674 527965 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a question about this with two different proposed explanations for why it's changed
< 1521684048 693916 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even put referral links in some data.stackexchange.com queries, like http://data.stackexchange.com/scifi/query/648267/list-bounties . That site has two shortcut ways to create link to questions or answers, but it doesn't automatically produce referral links because the login system isn't connected to the SE logins, so it doesn't know which use
< 1521684048 764343 :wob_jonas!b03f18c6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :r to use.
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< 1521685870 989109 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, i'm modifying the underload reduction to fueue in order to remove a "shortcut" that wraps data around the queue, and none of the first three commands got longer
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< 1521686948 670547 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph but the composition needs complete redoing.
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< 1521714377 242266 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: trace for matrices is the sum of the diagonal, right?
< 1521714426 73681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking of a different property
< 1521714450 399852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain somehow managed to consistently go tr(AB) = tr(A)tr(B)
< 1521714466 475208 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why are you closing your local maplin :(
< 1521714481 108946 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: we're closing all maplins
< 1521714483 689704 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been decreed
< 1521714499 706268 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecree it
< 1521714532 714934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Too Late
< 1521714548 641435 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they went into administration last month)
< 1521714718 825650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, I don't think there is a ring with two elements where 1+1=1, as then there's no subtraction
< 1521714732 668943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a rig, though (one of those many fun less than a ring acronyms)
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< 1521714788 440007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these are also called semirings I think)
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< 1521730907 546165 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels an urge to apologise to their hygrometer

< 1521730944 318068 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😸
< 1521730983 66379 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spilled water on it, which I imagine is one of the worst things you can do to a hygrometer
< 1521731007 353814 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after wiping it off, though, it seems to be more under control
< 1521731113 625239 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521731113 730107 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO!
< 1521731125 210254 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that works in context :-)
< 1521731179 770876 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll no longer be able to just search for "pool" in rules text in magiccards.info to find cards that produce mana and almost nothing else (Omnath is one of the exceptions)
< 1521731183 719677 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1521731187 425374 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epic Fail
< 1521731188 272851 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, ais523
< 1521731198 280459 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the M:tG announcements
< 1521731216 416708 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: "add" is still likely to work
< 1521731231 79452 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word is rarely used in other contexts
< 1521731247 860052 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem is that "add" occurs inside other words as an infix
< 1521731255 767594 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they didn't get rid of the legend rule, that'd have broken the setup for my M:tG waterfall model
< 1521731267 82345 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: "add " then?
< 1521731271 855311 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even "add {"
< 1521731273 477274 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :link?
< 1521731283 32444 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said in magiccards.info . in a local search, I can use regexen or whatever
< 1521731298 981819 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think that works, some abilities say like "add X green mana"
< 1521731299 243308 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: to the rules updates? it was on dailymtg.com yesterday
< 1521731301 73169 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we need to have a serious discussion
< 1521731308 321829 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the plural of regex and unix
< 1521731313 161357 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: also scryfall can regex Oracle text
< 1521731317 158178 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexen unices?
< 1521731322 369411 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexes unixes?
< 1521731323 941850 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name calciform pool
< 1521731331 573865 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unixen" was historically used but mostly as a joke
< 1521731338 138443 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/dominaria-frame-template-and-rules-changes-2018-03-21
< 1521731342 591379 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen anyone use "regices" but I kind-of like it
< 1521731363 259349 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: and you want to interrupt our non-serious discussion with a serious discussion? do you even know this channel?
< 1521731371 530696 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :regices is obviously the plural of regice  https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Regice_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
< 1521731372 59468 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically speaking, though, "regex" is an abbreviation for "regular expression", so "regexes" would be correct; the "ex" isn't a suffix but a prefix)
< 1521731372 826159 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "regexes" by the way
< 1521731374 978449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calciform Pools \ Land \ {T}: Add {C} to your mana pool. \ {1}, {T}: Put a storage counter on Calciform Pools. \ {1}, Remove X storage counters from Calciform Pools: Add X mana in any combination of {W} and/or {U} to your mana pool. \ TSP-U
< 1521731385 538709 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Pokémon names pluralise to themselves, all of them do
< 1521731393 545782 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can also discuss "regex" versus "regexp" versus "regular expression" versus "rational expression"
< 1521731406 527340 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: now that's just a made up rule
< 1521731413 911441 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably because of a decision made by the localisers early on; Japanese doesn't use plurals so the game's code didn't have any pluralisation handling
< 1521731442 970250 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I'm guessing the localisers decided that all Pokémon names would self-pluralise so that they didn't have to try to handle that case using awkward phrasing
< 1521731451 879278 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also other forms of plurals would take up more space in the precious small display
< 1521731468 151191 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's hardly any time in the games where plural would make sense
< 1521731475 531710 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they even have these strange characters in the font that represent multiple letters
< 1521731480 598557 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the game boy game that is
< 1521731488 2593 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: yes, that too
< 1521731489 854541 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: have you seen some of the ridiculous phrasing that the games use to avoid having to say plurals?
< 1521731502 40345 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "a/an" prefixes, which are also a problem?
< 1521731506 836459 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You found one POTION!"
< 1521731507 807891 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's not so in M:tG. M:tG is full of cards saying "all elves you control"
< 1521731509 550660 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"POTION! You found two!"
< 1521731523 230621 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe
< 1521731540 44212 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I haven't actually played the game
< 1521731540 852257 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1: disallow receiving multiple potions at once
< 1521731552 779482 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i just fix all the i18n problems?
< 1521731559 940048 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it wasn't popular here because the young kids who played game boy didn't speak enough english or japanese back then
< 1521731584 121371 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what if you want to buy or sell them in the store?
< 1521731584 222046 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I doubt it
< 1521731595 418842 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even as late as gen 5, the version released in the UK had some interesting localisation problems
< 1521731600 522643 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. asking whether we preferred football or soccer
< 1521731606 374319 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: selling more items in a single setting in blasphemy
< 1521731617 862541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I hope the options there were "YES" and "NO"
< 1521731623 915428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I skipped 5th gen)
< 1521731642 100280 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and do you play football or soccer?
< 1521731653 603524 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: no
< 1521731665 277264 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that settles it
< 1521731665 903548 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: sadly not
< 1521731673 45988 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, football appears in pokemon?
< 1521731680 802585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but soccer does
< 1521731686 533414 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: lots of real world things appear in Pokémon
< 1521731700 28625 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lots of real world things, sure
< 1521731701 521049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like bicycles!
< 1521731702 35063 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like candies and shrooms
< 1521731706 174158 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, bicycles
< 1521731713 898248 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pokemarts
< 1521731718 845490 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in gen 5 they have sports arenas where people play different sports each day, you don't actually get to watch though
< 1521731721 358433 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: just like in real life, eating rare candy makes you stronger
< 1521731726 18506 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but football? is that in a video game, or a TCG, or in the anime, or something else?
< 1521731734 48899 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly an excuse for recurring battles which you play against the spectators
< 1521731743 803937 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's a football stadium containing football players
< 1521731748 387982 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're not actually playing football
< 1521731754 783375 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just running around and occasionally challenging you to battles
< 1521731777 694365 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gen 5 the one with garbagemon?
< 1521731794 145138 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you meet other trainers who challenge you saying "I don't like football, while all the people are watching the superbowl final, let's spend time more constructively"?
< 1521731802 47255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played much of Gen 6 either...
< 1521731808 346418 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's the video game?
< 1521731809 714043 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Trubbish? yes
< 1521731818 160194 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... um... a video game?
< 1521731832 297247 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant garbodor but anyway
< 1521731863 24968 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1521731869 915429 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these card wording stranges will seem so strange to me
< 1521731874 216682 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😸
< 1521731884 306708 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess backwards too, the old wordings will seem strange to new players
< 1521731891 278675 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Pokémon was originally a video game
< 1521731905 798661 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but you're talking about gen 5, that's no longer "originally"
< 1521731923 135692 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they made an anime of the video game, a video game of the anime, a trading card game of the game and/or anime (possbily both merged), and a video game of the trading card game
< 1521731931 25525 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a number of spinoff video games too
< 1521731979 900395 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally the Pokémon universe featured non-Pokémon animals in addition to the Pokémon, maybe it still does
< 1521731988 806792 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a video game of the anime too? I heard of the video game of the tcg
< 1521731999 352033 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition
< 1521732009 702588 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the original games with the plot edited to match that of the anime
< 1521732014 367086 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1521732050 335314 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO!
< 1521732057 761000 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're changing Lightning Bolt's text too?
< 1521732070 899341 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Deal 3 damage to any target" is shorter than the original
< 1521732076 183128 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, actually
< 1521732078 406168 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably is the original
< 1521732086 426593 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was oracled to something else for ages
< 1521732089 844019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it semantically equivalent to the previous text
< 1521732090 226592 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Lightning Bolt
< 1521732091 309473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightning Bolt \ R \ Instant \ Lightning Bolt deals 3 damage to target creature or player. \ A-C, B-C, U-C, RV-C, 4E-C, M10-C, M11-C, MM2-U, E01-U, MED-C, PD2-C
< 1521732094 71150 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no
< 1521732104 503148 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're changing the old text to mean something else
< 1521732113 678182 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're errata-ing it to new text that matches its old functionality
< 1521732118 655335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that just seems rude
< 1521732129 390394 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're errataing to approximate its old functionality
< 1521732132 408882 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's certainly no match
< 1521732138 407058 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the original text from Alpha is, IIRC, closer to the newest text than the text it's had for most of its life
< 1521732158 390204 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at work, can someone look up what the printed text is on Alpha lightning bolt?
< 1521732164 223211 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment
< 1521732170 618707 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: OK, it can't hit hexproof planeswalkers now, that is indeed a change
< 1521732177 732719 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it can hit planeswalkers controlled by hexproof players)
< 1521732184 253627 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which probably comes up more often)
< 1521732185 239255 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lightning Bolt does 3 damage to one target"
< 1521732200 342332 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so very close to the new wording
< 1521732209 653007 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only change is "any" → "one", I think?
< 1521732217 629374 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and "does" → "deals"
< 1521732225 352453 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wonder what Benevolent Unicorn's new text will be
< 1521732232 315619 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Benevolent Unicorn
< 1521732233 102785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benevolent Unicorn \ 1W \ Creature -- Unicorn \ 1/2 \ If a spell would deal damage to a creature or player, it deals that much damage minus 1 to that creature or player instead. \ MI-C
< 1521732240 427584 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I believe it won't be changed
< 1521732261 338084 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave algorithms for translating old card wording, because there will be so many printed cards with the old wording
< 1521732266 254231 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's all those damage redirctor things, some of which like Pariah care about damage to players
< 1521732280 707946 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's likely to be important for players to know what they do without checking Oracle
< 1521732293 720545 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the algorithms are being applied consistently to all but one card
< 1521732297 864011 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Vial Smasher the Fierce
< 1521732298 762909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vial Smasher the Fierce \ 1BR \ Legendary Creature -- Goblin Berserker \ 2/3 \ Whenever you cast your first spell each turn, Vial Smasher the Fierce deals damage equal to that spell's converted mana cost to an opponent chosen at random. \ Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.) \ C16-M
< 1521732326 133850 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, they never printed Lava Axe with the rules text centered and no flavor text?
< 1521732342 755960 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they haven't stated what's different about Vial Smasher, but the leading theory is that "opponent" is being changed to "opponent or planeswalker controlled by an opponent" even though the algorithm would say to leave it alone)
< 1521732356 149843 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightning bolt does have such a printing though, and that will probably be impossible in the future
< 1521732360 36916 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: probably because unlike most of the centred-text cards, which tend to be quite powerful
< 1521732362 274485 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1521732364 179436 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be possible
< 1521732369 904907 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava Axe is actually a really bad card
< 1521732405 13344 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. there's a card that can do 6 damage to a player for 2RR but it has alternative modes too
< 1521732407 154479 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible
< 1521732418 943889 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1521732454 671516 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerful in limited or in constructed?
< 1521732470 32566 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably better in limited but I suspect it's bad in both
< 1521732486 741786 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that by the time you've reached 5 mana, you have better things to do than 5 damage
< 1521732513 882541 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the opponent is on 5 life or less, and even then the only real advantage of lava axe is that it has fewer spells that stop it than most finishers do
< 1521732592 77910 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name glorybringer
< 1521732593 737399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glorybringer \ 3RR \ Creature -- Dragon \ 4/4 \ Flying, haste \ You may exert Glorybringer as it attacks. When you do, it deals 4 damage to target non-Dragon creature an opponent controls. (An exerted creature won't untap during your next untap step.) \ AKH-R
< 1521732604 458992 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an example of a 5-mana red finisher that's commonly used in Constructed
< 1521732606 512952 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, that's not why I asked. I was wondering if some three-mana spot removal spell ever got that treatment, like Expunge but without a "can't be regenerated" rider
< 1521732610 460435 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably no
< 1521732614 858822 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think you're right
< 1521732644 607531 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can /almost/ Lava Axe someone (4 damage rather than 5, assuming they don't have a flying/reaching blocker), but it does a lot of other things too
< 1521732650 42874 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards that got that treatment are Giant Growth and Cancel, cards that are cheap in money but relatively powerful and go into many decks
< 1521732848 376877 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, Lightning Bolt
< 1521732873 459529 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they need two flying/reaching blockers unless one of them has hexproof, protection from red, or 5+ toughness
< 1521732879 389385 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is a dragon
< 1521732908 117310 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I've pretty much planned out how to write up this M:tG waterfall model
< 1521732923 116862 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need the time and concentration to actually do it
< 1521732931 346407 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1521732933 843414 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an exception
< 1521732934 86427 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write a series of articles that can be read in either order
< 1521732936 601849 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder
< 1521732948 732999 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder was printed with rules text centered and no flavor text (and not in Portal)
< 1521732950 638690 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one direction you get the explanations first and see how it's used in practice later
< 1521732956 355434 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must be the power in Limited that counts
< 1521732965 852806 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder isn't good in Constructed, right?
< 1521732968 28606 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the other direction it starts with the deck and you have no idea where it's going
< 1521732976 962634 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it is but it's normally outclassed
< 1521732981 317248 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Hero's Downfall
< 1521732982 167223 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hero's Downfall \ 1BB \ Instant \ Destroy target creature or planeswalker. \ THS-R
< 1521733017 192574 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will play Murder if there's nothing better in the format, but normally there's either a Murder-with-upside (like Hero's Downfall), or a cheaper-Murder-with-downside-that-rarely-comes-up
< 1521733042 898824 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the casual environment we play, three-mana kill spells like that are rarely played, because there are so many good two-mana and one-mana spot removal for black, even if they're slightly less versatile than Murder
< 1521733049 51419 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1521733064 71634 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Dismember
< 1521733065 72545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dismember \ 1(b/p)(b/p) \ Instant \ ({(b/p)} can be paid with either {B} or 2 life.) \ Target creature gets -5/-5 until end of turn. \ NPH-U, MM2-U
< 1521733087 137624 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the closest equivalent that's played in Modern
< 1521733100 626307 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odds that you're up against something with 6 toughness are not high
< 1521733132 454940 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being able to trade life for mana on it makes it more useful than Murder is in the early game
< 1521733147 360557 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some three-mana ones get played for some advantage they offer: Eyeblight's Ending for searching with Elvish Harbinger and triggering Lys Alana; Hideous End for the extra damage
< 1521733169 584629 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Dismember
< 1521733204 189651 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, kill spells limited by toughness or mana cost or color or excluding some creatures are still useful
< 1521733291 221871 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Fatal Push
< 1521733291 926458 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal Push \ B \ Instant \ Destroy target creature if it has converted mana cost 2 or less. \ Revolt -- Destroy that creature if it has converted mana cost 4 or less instead if a permanent you controlled left the battlefield this turn. \ AER-U
< 1521733315 914198 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the best-known kill spell at the moment
< 1521733321 927607 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, there's some nostalgy involved because bad three-mana kill spells were among the first cards I bought: Seal of Doom and Expunge
< 1521733330 571446 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Revolt is really easy to trigger in eternal formats like Modern and Casual
< 1521733613 994327 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days I mostly play the black D-cards for destroy and discard: Disfigure, Deathmark, Darkblust, Duress, Doom Blade, ... um, Soul Reap? I should buy Dead Weight to continue this theme
< 1521733650 177791 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's technically Distress and Douse in Gloom too, but I don't play them anymore.)
< 1521733745 473249 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. They used "Murder" and "Assassinate" and "Slaughter". That leaves "Kill", "Slay", "Destroy" as names reserved for future iconic updates.
< 1521733801 433630 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity "Remove" was used up for some portal junk
< 1521733914 570914 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will Harm's Way be able to redirect to a planeswalker now?
< 1521733989 625441 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there'll be a rule now that says what "any target" means?
< 1521734001 513586 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only "any target" when it's about dealing damage to it?
< 1521734017 671183 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former, that's what the article says
< 1521734252 350610 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why can't ANY of these several websites cataloging M:tG cards use a GOOD algorithm for what printing to select by default when you search for a card name?
< 1521734313 476072 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how they always show the ugly or fancy cards from all sorts of special low count reprints instead of the more common printings in expert expansions or core sets.
< 1521734450 211146 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, anyway the article says wait for the rules update bulletin to find out the specifics. I guess that's fair
< 1521734507 334876 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they" instead of "he or she" will also take some time getting used to. I wonder if there's any card where "they" or "them" will cause confusion or ambiguity because it could refer to something else.
< 1521734540 11548 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably won't happen much, because in those cases "he or she" is already not likely to be used, "that player" getting used instead
< 1521734627 711805 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many times it's clear from context that a player is meant anyway
< 1521734800 94885 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Iwamori of the Open Fist
< 1521734803 132033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iwamori of the Open Fist \ 2GG \ Legendary Creature -- Human Monk \ 5/5 \ Trample \ When Iwamori of the Open Fist enters the battlefield, each opponent may put a legendary creature card from his or her hand onto the battlefield. \ BOK-R
< 1521734804 754361 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an open fist is basically a hand, right?
< 1521735313 871583 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Llanowar Elves now has a very short rules text. Not as short as Raging Goblin though.  Oh, that reminds me! Dark Ritual also has the centered rules text no flavor treatment. Imagine that saying just "Add {B}{B}{B}."  in the center. That would be short. Probably won't happen though, because it's not likely to get reprinted much.
< 1521735327 859352 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1521735345 931612 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it did get some reprints, including in Masters 25, so maybe it could happen.
< 1521735379 59351 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has to be a set that's not legal in Modern, I guess.
< 1521735440 609475 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do creatures ever get the center no flavor text treatment?
< 1521735768 866507 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several creatures whose rules text is just "Flying" or "Reach" or "Banding" or "Vigilance" or "Flanking", at least one each with just "Haste" or "Flash". (You can tell my age from how I'm not saying "Infect","Menace", "Prowess", "Skulk".)
< 1521735797 982340 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortest keyword ability that can stand alone is probably "Fear" though. What creature has only "Fear" and no other ability?
< 1521735942 783616 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gluttonous Zombie, Prickly Boggart, Razortooth Rats, Severed Legion. No more I think.
< 1521735946 30523 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :centred-no-flavour is only for instants and sorceries, I think
< 1521735961 160081 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make an argument that the textless vanilla creatures from Future Sight count …
< 1521735971 854252 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unfortunate interaction of the lack of "new world order" in the past and the lack of fear in the present
< 1521736023 633421 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, old basic lands have the old rules text printed centered and no flavor text
< 1521736051 675558 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've realized, I have some of those
< 1521736989 480428 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Oran-Rief Invoker
< 1521736990 861744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oran-Rief Invoker \ 1G \ Creature -- Human Shaman \ 2/2 \ {8}: Oran-Rief Invoker gets +5/+5 and gains trample until end of turn. \ BFZ-C, DDR-C
< 1521737002 258354 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they printed an improved Stonewood Invoker because the original was weak? interesting
< 1521737558 600021 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. Legendary gets a rules change AGAIN?
< 1521737575 383418 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't they stop that already?
< 1521737580 659878 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they change?
< 1521737581 462232 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :the legend rule didn't change
< 1521737591 862021 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're talking about the legendary sorcery thing
< 1521737593 497576 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this one is fully backwards compatible
< 1521737597 201229 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, legendary sorceries
< 1521737599 871485 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be a keyword mechanic that was made into a supertype for some bizarre reason
< 1521737624 887139 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can't cast this spell unless you control a legendary creature or planeswalker" is /not/ what it does on any other card type
< 1521737641 167328 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, there's a lot of confusion about that rule
< 1521737658 807500 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody seems sure whether it associates as "(legendary creature) or planeswalker" or "legendary (creature or planeswalker)"
< 1521737678 191766 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost doesn't matter at all
< 1521737685 593532 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't impact existing games because I believe there's an invariant that being (sorcery or instant) is a property that can never change on an object, in any direction
< 1521737701 495085 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :manifest can change it
< 1521737715 185276 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe
< 1521737737 713945 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: is that even the same object as the sorcery, though?
< 1521737741 790087 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes a new object when it changes zones
< 1521737752 534436 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is effectively a face-down creature that can't be turned face-up
< 1521737758 66203 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair
< 1521737769 676588 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no way with existing cards to make a sorcery legendary, not even with Leyline of Singularity
< 1521737787 662662 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1521737789 619177 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :manifest
< 1521737793 562289 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that
< 1521737794 433720 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it
< 1521737803 400991 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of that morph land from time spiral block
< 1521737803 960660 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: also the release notes are clear that it is legendary (creature or planeswalker)
< 1521737843 278484 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1521737850 230389 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok
< 1521737878 831183 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOO!
< 1521737888 353770 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they hate protection, but did they really need to do this?
< 1521737890 859684 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: that's like the third time you've done that today
< 1521737895 22735 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hexproof from black)_
< 1521737905 405892 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not a single time has it been because you spilled water on your hygrometer
< 1521737908 136755 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, third
< 1521737956 418343 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hexproof from black" is less offensive when you see it as a fixed version of hexproof rather than a fixed version of protection
< 1521737956 815243 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've destroyed my previous keyboard by spilling water on it. that's not supposed to permanently destroy electronics, but it somehow did. I'm careful with drinks in this room since then.
< 1521737990 669256 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just felt sorry for the hygrometer; unlike basically any other piece of electronic equipment, it's aware that it's wet
< 1521737997 306087 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still get water on stuff in the bedroom and kitchen I guess, and outdoors
< 1521738008 624760 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got water on non-waterproof objects outdoors in the rain
< 1521738029 771536 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain sensors in modern cars are also aware
< 1521738059 343511 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I can understand why you feel sorry for it
< 1521738061 234734 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess those are likely to be moisture sensors rather than hygrometers? the two are pretty similar in concept, anyway
< 1521738077 361897 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the hygrometer can tell me it's wet so that I can dry it off :-)
< 1521738095 908606 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't feel the cold, which can be quite dangerous in this weather as being unable to percieve it doesn't actually make me immune to its effects)
< 1521738100 858869 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think they're just cameras that look for water droplets, and they don't even get wet because they're behind a windshield
< 1521738112 534429 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so I've started carrying a thermometer around, but this one came with a clock and a hygrometer and a moonphase display attached to it)
< 1521738132 898593 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should buy two thermometers here (an indoor and an outdoor one)
< 1521738152 566564 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can feel cold, but still, I need more precise measurements
< 1521738157 985994 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm indoors, I check the outdoors temperature by using the Internet to connect to a nearby weather station
< 1521738164 804303 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGBB
< 1521738165 968583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGBB 221650Z 23009KT 200V260 9999 OVC030 08/01 Q1014
< 1521738196 963399 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for hexproof from black, the article explicitly says "A Knight of noble lineage, Knight of Grace harkens back to an earlier era and the hallowed White Knight."
< 1521738198 831709 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*perceive
< 1521738214 720540 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I not consider it as a ruined protection ability after that?
< 1521738245 963418 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly WOTC are treating it as one based on that
< 1521738256 130953 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that card at least
< 1521738264 163382 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be other cards where it's not so
< 1521738264 187488 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are quite a few cases where the difference doesn't matter
< 1521738285 873017 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. both versions of Emrakul have a "protection from …" which could equivalently be "hexproof from …"
< 1521738302 973056 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they won't be errata'd because a few cards check for creatures with protection abilities specifically
< 1521738313 803774 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Display of Dominance
< 1521738314 950685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Display of Dominance \ 1G \ Instant \ Choose one -- \ � Destroy target blue or black noncreature permanent. \ � Permanents you control can't be the targets of blue or black spells your opponents control this turn. \ DTK-U
< 1521738316 66714 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm, not quite
< 1521738322 866915 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nontargeting instants that deal damage would work differently
< 1521738333 500664 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Karplusan Strider
< 1521738335 280461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karplusan Strider \ 3G \ Creature -- Yeti \ 3/4 \ Karplusan Strider can't be the target of blue or black spells. \ CSP-U, 10E-U, MM2-U
< 1521738341 258790 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume some of those exist although I can't think of any offhand, nontargeted damage is normally from sorceries
< 1521738346 953539 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Mercenary Informer
< 1521738348 67921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercenary Informer \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Rebel Mercenary \ 2/1 \ Mercenary Informer can't be the target of black spells or abilities from black sources. \ {2}{W}: Put target nontoken Mercenary on the bottom of its owner's library. \ PR-R
< 1521738350 486596 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there are a lot of these
< 1521738366 58671 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even
< 1521738366 605680 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: none of those are "hexproof from" though, except possibly Display of Dominance
< 1521738368 899379 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Autumn's Veil
< 1521738369 703789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autumn's Veil \ G \ Instant \ Spells you control can't be countered by blue or black spells this turn, and creatures you control can't be the targets of blue or black spells this turn. \ M11-U, M12-U
< 1521738382 916002 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is funny because the "blue or black" is almost redundant
< 1521738389 176443 :lldd!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521738395 758131 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare to get your spells countered by a spell that's not (blue or black)
< 1521738396 19874 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name mana tithe
< 1521738396 834683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mana Tithe \ W \ Instant \ Counter target spell unless its controller pays {1}. \ PLC-C
< 1521738402 282460 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1521738404 189046 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a few of them
< 1521738460 646821 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lapse of Certainty and more
< 1521738532 600347 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION idly wonders what the simplest hypothetical Magic card would be that's Turing-complete by itself

< 1521738569 366335 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that uses only existing black-bordered mechanics
< 1521738576 416669 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Planar Chaos actually has three, including one that's sort of like a time-shifted Intervene but not quite
< 1521738653 947791 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by itself? it would either have to have the basic ability from Relentless Rats, or some other strange rule so you can build a deck with it by itself. even Momir Vig Avatar needs basic lands.
< 1521738668 63308 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would you allow some basic lands with it?
< 1521738673 574209 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I mean the only permanents in play are copies of it
< 1521738677 621135 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you start the combo
< 1521738682 820934 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it can do the setup by itself
< 1521738696 350776 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1521738739 298096 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you have interesting effects helping the combo that aren't on permanents? like "for the rest of the game" or "until end of turn" effects, or abilities active from the graveyard?
< 1521738785 614372 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Wizards cards we likely need permanents for TC-ness, but if you want hypothetical cards, we probably don't need any
< 1521738790 505389 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our current core for the actual computation is rotlung reanimator, noxious ghoul, hungry lynx, and something that gives a static -X/-2 effect (it'd be interesting if this last part could be omitted, it doesn't seem impossible)
< 1521738837 832349 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and static effects in the graveyard or that aren't attached to anything feels like cheating, unless they edit the text of the permanent (in the style of Artificial Evolution)
< 1521738846 749982 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and some of those can be swapped out for other cards, although I haven't seen anyone find a combo without Rotlung Reanimator yet
< 1521738881 390452 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, looking for alternate potential methods that don't use Rotlung Reanimator might be worthy in itself, just to see that the TC-ness isn't fragile and doesn't depend on one stupid card
< 1521738917 828880 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you basically need a way to replace a creature when it dies
< 1521738945 759643 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of... but in some good enough way
< 1521738949 134441 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotlung Reanimator with both creature types equal is all that's needed for my M:tG-implemented TC language (I think Alex Churchill's uses both creature types)
< 1521738953 485077 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be at least repeatable
< 1521738968 711000 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Young Wolf
< 1521738969 992410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Young Wolf \ G \ Creature -- Wolf \ 1/1 \ Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.) \ DKA-C
< 1521738975 854434 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Solemnity
< 1521738976 954652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solemnity \ 2W \ Enchantment \ Players can't get counters. \ Counters can't be put on artifacts, creatures, enchantments, or lands. \ HOU-R
< 1521738981 543109 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for power reasons, most such reanimation cards try to be not repeatable, so you can't just infinitely replace your creatures
< 1521738995 377401 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure there are enough different creature types among Undying and Persist creatures to make the construction viable
< 1521739000 766718 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotlung Reanimator tries to avoid that by the different creature types
< 1521739004 130421 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they'll forget the text edits when they die
< 1521739020 237980 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1521739042 627544 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
< 1521739043 866505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mikaeus, the Unhallowed \ 3BBB \ Legendary Creature -- Zombie Cleric \ 5/5 \ Intimidate (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or creatures that share a color with it.) \ Whenever a Human deals damage to you, destroy it. \ Other non-Human creatures you control get +1/+1 and have undying. (When a creature with undying dies,
< 1521739049 850088 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about that?
< 1521739051 148897 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we'll need a conspiracy that gives things persist
< 1521739059 107752 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, Mikaeus would work
< 1521739232 340759 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's some way to mandatorily make creatures become a copy of some other creature.
< 1521739237 869407 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Infinite Reflection
< 1521739239 39187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite Reflection \ 5U \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ When Infinite Reflection enters the battlefield attached to a creature, each other nontoken creature you control becomes a copy of that creature. \ Nontoken creatures you control enter the battlefield as a copy of enchanted creature. \ AVR-R, C14-R
< 1521739267 822663 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably either impossible, or at least harder than the other routes
< 1521739380 996327 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521739414 955246 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Mass
< 1521739416 410892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass Appeal \ 2U \ Sorcery \ Draw a card for each Human you control. \ AVR-U \  \ Mass Calcify \ 5WW \ Sorcery \ Destroy all nonwhite creatures. \ SHM-R, M15-R \  \ Mass Hysteria \ R \ Enchantment \ All creatures have haste. \ MRD-R \  \ Mass Mutiny \ 3RR \ Sorcery \ For each opponent, gain control of up to one target creature that player controls 
< 1521739422 521663 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1521739425 939333 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Permeating Mass
< 1521739426 866428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permeating Mass \ G \ Creature -- Spirit \ 1/3 \ Whenever Permeating Mass deals combat damage to a creature, that creature becomes a copy of Permeating Mass. \ EMN-R
< 1521739435 350814 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems more controllable
< 1521739455 186379 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncontrollable effects are probably fine, it's not much different from writing in INTERCAL
< 1521739470 221418 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1521739535 417770 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only without such useful statements as array element assignment and indexed return
< 1521739571 81471 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language are you trying to implement? still The Waterfall Model?
< 1521739580 961267 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1521739582 826683 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering about implementing the I/D machine in Magic but I can't see a good way to emulate the RAM
< 1521739594 278261 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking at what's available at first
< 1521739608 529215 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1521739639 625058 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge leap. you could go to something in between, as in, something with a stack or queue of symbols so there's no exponential slowdown, but without a full RAM
< 1521739658 274853 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like StackFlow
< 1521739669 167167 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean in terms of speed
< 1521739674 196724 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering what data storages were possible
< 1521739678 350980 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1521739694 149663 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the I/D machine is simple to define, but it doesn't sound like simple to implement
< 1521739783 969393 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly I wouldn't try to store conses (recursive data types that aren't just a list but can branch out as any binary tree) in M:tG like you'd need to emulate unlambda or underload
< 1521739857 54722 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consumer society, that esolang I've been promising to create for a while, it's also one that's easy to define for humans, but it's specifically not easy to implement. It's probably harder to implement than even unlambda or underload or anything like that.
< 1521739907 116708 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems interesting
< 1521739927 901862 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, it surely can't be as hard as Tableaux :-P
< 1521739937 675872 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not that hard
< 1521739944 197521 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even as hard as perl
< 1521739957 945656 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though Tableaux's only primitives are zero, increment, dereference pointer
< 1521739963 634218 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's what they're pointing into that's hard to implement)
< 1521739965 209638 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and equals
< 1521739997 351817 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write a reference interpreter for it that implements it (up to some resource limits).
< 1521740038 634183 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean not Tableaux, but Consumer society
< 1521740064 34266 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun name, anyway
< 1521740076 381247 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a provisional name, but yes
< 1521740099 230330 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided it's not very spoiler, you can't guess the main trick of the language from it, so I can reveal it
< 1521740132 555254 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, languages with spoilers
< 1521740136 238018 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't made one of those since Incident
< 1521740147 879543 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has a spoiler-free version of the semantics in addition to my guide talking about the language
< 1521740154 514655 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That language also has very few primitives, and one of them is like the parenthesis in Underload, grouping some code to a single block you can manipulate as a whole but will later be opened and ran
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< 1521740188 963511 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the language can also be considered to have two stacks, a data stack and a call stack, like underload
< 1521740196 743093 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or considered as a term-rewriting language
< 1521740216 458218 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these two stacks provide for turing-completeness
< 1521740220 685977 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also like Underload
< 1521740221 274169 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's about where the similarity ends
< 1521740224 897759 :ais523_!93bcc33d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better go, anyway
< 1521740260 271252 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still the main twist, which is something that is used in some languages other than underload, but the innovation here is using only that and nothing else to make a full languae
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< 1521740321 460264 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1521741383 98028 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is harder in the real world? https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/whistle or https://www.xkcd.com/666/ ? And would you do the former with some hidden electronics?
< 1521741872 736367 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-167-61.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are no silent hammers
< 1521741908 882065 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: maybe no, but there are some methods to make hammering more silent.
< 1521741987 874529 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the SMBC is easier.
> 1521743693 246881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54448&oldid=54424 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+797) 10/* Computational class */ New and improved. Now with parallelism!
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< 1521747906 921024 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these password requirements are horrible!
< 1521747921 206326 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on ugyfelkapu.gov.hu )
< 1521747990 70203 :wob_jonas!b03f18b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't choose a proper password because it has ridiculous and undescribe requirements
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< 1521769683 706526 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril.
< 1521769683 858321 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but there's no debian package for mit scheme, but it isn't
< 1521769700 516240 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of course there's a .deb floating somewhere. there always is one.
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> 1521787401 692039 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54455&oldid=54454 5* 03FAKE1007 5* (-30) 10Blanked the page
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> 1521818080 321271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07H9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54457&oldid=33065 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+2) 10original HQ9+ used "h" and "" instead of "H" and "!"
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> 1521818481 687385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54459&oldid=52708 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+20) 10/* See also */
> 1521818635 532078 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GolfJoke14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54460&oldid=53180 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+60) 10
< 1521818643 450884 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2018
< 1521818649 790917 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :>unironically working on hq9+
< 1521818737 824743 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need an updated HQ9+ for the modern programmer
< 1521818766 242015 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 Bottles of Beer isn't really relevent to the zeitgeist any more
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< 1521818942 962717 :wob_jonas!b03f191f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's the object-oriented HQ9++, and there's a lot of more powerful golfing languages
< 1521819030 323002 :wob_jonas!b03f191f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think there's some other HQ9+-like joke language
< 1521819033 784707 :wob_jonas!b03f191f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with like ten commands
< 1521819043 794295 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHIQXP9+ or soemthing
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< 1521830906 421965 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1521832723 702187 :Melvar!~melvar@ip-2-203-74-130.web.vodafone.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting
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< 1521836292 518562 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1521836321 921248 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?
< 1521836368 476165 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::I...
< 1521836379 850948 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles HackEgo

< 1521836388 539121 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1521836389 479778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 231950Z VRB01KT 9999 FEW040 BKN070 03/M01 Q1004 R08/29//95 NOSIG
< 1521836401 135812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1521836492 42716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1521836505 635122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo 1
< 1521836513 515505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1521836515 178568 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello.
< 1521836522 761026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`42 w
< 1521836523 439214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 42: not found
< 1521836528 953516 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1521836539 346833 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẁ
< 1521836541 284793 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w
< 1521836547 71601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1521836556 969352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs

< 1521836559 179260 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something dubious going on with w.
< 1521836559 580097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1521836559 678235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​nothing//Nothing would have been better than to create this wisdom entry.
< 1521836567 131706 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1521836568 39437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 232000Z 22009KT 30SM BKN080 BKN150 OVC210 04/M05 A3001 RMK AC5AC2CI1 SLP165
< 1521836569 85017 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:zomgmodules//ZOMGMODULES is both a small blonde veterinarian and just modules over the ring of ZOMGs. \ usual suspect//There are 3.99 usual suspects in #esoteric, but they're usually rounded up. \ it'//It's written with an apostrophe. \ redundancy//Since redundancy exists, it's redundant for Taneb to invent it. \ orin//orin is oren's
< 1521836572 963527 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh!
< 1521836574 375340 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1521836575 645367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:evil twin, stalking him from the other side of the international date line.
< 1521836660 526765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typical CaC high performance cluster fuck.
< 1521836862 864505 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521836933 980389 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1521836966 890944 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any plans on switching providers to something that providely provides, instead of crashing?
< 1521837157 578738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1521837199 690607 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521837277 463362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you like crashing?
< 1521837277 676029 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: same here. thus why i like basic with goto only, only the vm builds...
< 1521837285 989882 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball are crashes good for you?
< 1521837286 70109 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1521837292 2497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball do you like this?
< 1521837292 64202 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1521837297 229746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot++
< 1521837297 386882 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i improved the fnord a content-length header is mandatory.
< 1521837315 434755 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot--
< 1521837315 554482 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord/ users/ fnord/ article/ 550.html i think it sucks
< 1521837325 867402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*audible sigh*
< 1521838089 200316 :Guest6451!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-76.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521838207 385988 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-167-61.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1521838365 994823 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril.
< 1521838366 54413 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i forgot the
< 1521838386 115449 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostrils are part of you. you can't forget them.
< 1521838386 224017 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: back to job-hunting, but i
< 1521838475 639201 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you already have a job
< 1521838475 952271 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: i'm really glad to hear that. i think i have a pile of shit. :p ( what was causing it. i was planning to sue you
< 1521838837 291017 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1521839715 958504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host
< 1521839715 958566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521839803 931629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sad that fungot obviously hates its job. :/
< 1521839804 73834 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it seems vim's next revision will have scheme inside.
< 1521839867 638687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC
< 1521839868 650409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 232053Z 00000KT 10SM FEW018 SCT050 BKN060 15/03 A3018 RMK AO2 SLP219 T01500028 58020
< 1521840035 39269 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wouldn't surprise me
< 1521840035 98488 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: aha:)
< 1521841124 421331 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521845037 629930 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
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< 1521845304 310959 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1521845795 733133 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1521845985 73483 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 263 seconds
< 1521846857 714953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521846926 332158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I got it to boot, although the bookmark file for Firefox seems to contain an error now.
< 1521846934 746551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1521846935 103807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 2d 4h 55m 47s ago: Remove the disk first?
< 1521847768 58407 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521848039 637995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to recover data from a malformed SQLite database? It is causing the location bar in Firefox to not work.
< 1521848057 877204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on whata makes it malformed.
< 1521848173 702475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what makes it malformed.
< 1521848211 964235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the file made up of all zeros? If so I don't know how to recover data.
< 1521848298 191920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The schema seems intact, and a lot of the data is still present and can be readable.
< 1521848346 601359 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1521848376 523022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A command such as "select url from moz_places, moz_bookmarks on moz_places.id = moz_bookmarks.fk where moz_bookmarks.title = 'kaiji';" still works and returns the correct URL, but if I change 'kaiji' to 'freeheromesh' then I get a error about malformed database. Neither record is listed by "select moz_bookmarks.title || ' = ' || url from moz_places, moz_bookmarks on moz_places.id = moz_bookmarks.fk where not hidden;" though.
< 1521848414 779887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried vacuum but it gives the message "Error: UNIQUE constraint failed: moz_places.id"
< 1521848577 826975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try renaming the file and then seeing if Firefox recreates it, and then I can try moving the data with a INSERT OR IGNORE statement, maybe.
< 1521848589 785501 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1521848765 858750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, simply deleting the file caused it to recover all of the data.
< 1521848805 674447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The history is gone, but all of the bookmarks have been restored.
< 1521848895 448082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, now the SQL query I used to enumerate the bookmarks lists only one record, although Firefox can find all of them.
< 1521848910 299781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Did you get your Super Mega book?
< 1521850234 422314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the SQL query so that it works now.
< 1521850513 835905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I changed "where not hidden" to "where parent = 2")
< 1521850960 642438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure if it is using the swap partition I have defined. How do I set that?
< 1521850970 281413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And how do I check?)
< 1521851172 328373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked and it is listing /dev/dm-0 as the swap partition. However, that is the old drive and I want it to use /dev/sda2 instead.
< 1521851355 756574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/dev/dm-0 is a LVM partition on the old hard drive, I think. The new one is not using LVM.)
< 1521851993 727843 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1521852042 107538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it out
< 1521852081 307994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hikhq
< 1521853409 492237 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521853609 435783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1521853854 79898 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1521853875 956236 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521853879 716646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it ignored a command in /etc/fstab that I forgot to change, for mounting the root filesystem. Why is that?
< 1521853962 107972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521854004 791004 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1521854830 159941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1521855569 811572 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full
< 1521855789 54792 :Naergon!~Naergon@94.197.121.182.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521858266 273199 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521858281 7036 :Naergon!~Naergon@94.197.121.182.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1521858375 121477 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1521858553 588538 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COMPUTABLE CHICKEN
< 1521860781 465170 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521861057 317412 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1521861099 161584 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hochaf
< 1521861167 81996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq++
< 1521861380 104364 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
> 1521862289 410708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54461&oldid=54448 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+278) 10/* Computational class */ Added some support for automating this. (This is enough to e.g. make the Thue-Morse sequence program work.)
< 1521863002 314361 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521863299 311079 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1521863465 431232 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be a slightly evil use of OverloadedStrings.
< 1521863605 115781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What use is that?
< 1521864323 76242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the new meaning of "any target" in Magic: the Gathering, and think it should say "target damageable" or something similar
< 1521864460 962040 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The templating feels a bit weird, I agree.
< 1521864871 617030 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.
< 1521864888 55137 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521864929 312261 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1521864989 753937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing words to "this spell" is fine. Singular "they" saves words and is fine as long as you don't use it in a confusing way (the real problem is English language, not Magic: the Gathering). I am neutral on the new legendary frame (but I prefer the old old frame, and art style, anyways). The separator line for flavor text is OK.
< 1521864995 774843 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/fueue/Ul2Fueue.hs
< 1521865122 695524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removing "to your mana pool" and just writing "add" seems not quite good to me; possibly "you get" might be better than "add". When it refers to other mana, something like "you get mana equal to [object]'s mana cost" might be better. I don't quite know for sure.
< 1521865212 940633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I suppose that it is a bit strange, but I suppose it can work
< 1521866756 54402 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1521868695 38574 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
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< 1521869951 244106 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1521884870 216211 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo if i'm a noob and i want to get in the neural network craze
< 1521884880 328534 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have libraries that do the thing for me
< 1521884898 459239 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i tell how many layers and how many nodes per layer i need?
< 1521885052 360447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just borrow someone else's thing and tweak it hth
< 1521885139 347249 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how many layers and how many nodes per layer did you use in your latest neural network thingy?
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< 1521885301 271399 :Guest6451!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-76.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah
< 1521885402 692024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with 10 nodes per layer with 1 hidden layer
< 1521885412 67687 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks about right
< 1521885418 523499 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a data scientist now
< 1521885544 447218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do ANN things
< 1521885628 987696 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was the point
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< 1521886124 343676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was?
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< 1521900200 361500 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re M:tG changes, we were talking about those a day ago
< 1521900260 233407 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'possibly "you get" might be better than "add"' please no. don't overload 'get', it is already used for putting p/t bonuses on objects
< 1521900326 10752 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. It is well-known that if someone works in a beer factory or salami factory, then they won't drink beer or eat salami anymore, because they know how it's made. But I also know that people who work on making wine do drink the same wine.
< 1521900345 314605 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a compliation somewhere of testimonies of which products are and aren't consumed by their makers?
< 1521900359 618694 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't mean the leaders, like Elon Musk driving a Tesla, but the little men.
< 1521900448 867884 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this would be hard to collect, because most products are made in East Asia now
< 1521900498 190837 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the beer, salami, and wine are made here in Europe
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< 1521902281 457361 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about software engineers...
< 1521902333 970418 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know way too much about that, and there's some things I won't trust computers with because of that
< 1521902363 407889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel about self-driving cars?
< 1521902371 857113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something simpler, pacemakers?
< 1521902447 978280 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacemakers are old, they've been around already when I was young, so they're probably engineered safely. I wouldn't think they have software problems.
< 1521902502 674562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, nope. They're being improved, and one of the big improvements is programmability.
< 1521902508 297339 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the first time they made MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) for me. They made me take off my glasses, then led me through a door that had like twelve different safety warning signs, so quickly that even if I had my glasses on I wouldn't have time to read all of them.
< 1521902548 146120 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: of course they're improved! they have better batteries now, so the battery needs to be replaced less often. that's very important, because replacing the battery is a somewhat risky surgical procedure.
< 1521902551 226528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :first google hit http://www.zdnet.com/article/fda-forces-st-jude-pacemaker-recall-to-patch-security-vulnerabilities/
< 1521902569 587939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(query: pacemaker security)
< 1521902634 696350 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ouch
< 1521902660 744634 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... why?
< 1521902667 533306 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they make pacemakers like that?
< 1521902720 504798 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the implication? if you use a pacemaker, should you travel back in time to the 90s and get one implanted then? or is that a no-win too because of the battery?
< 1521902758 257340 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe to the 2000s when the implantation procedure would have less risks of side effects?
< 1521902763 333412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a no win for several reasons... these things are programmable mainly for the patients' benefit.
< 1521902794 130906 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's a no win
< 1521902800 262559 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to avoid heart disease
< 1521902805 741869 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with a good pacemaker it sucks
< 1521902837 245695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the typical IoT scenario really... you get an implementation of many good features, but security isn't part of the traditional design process so it's easily overlooked.
< 1521902857 580930 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah.
< 1521902861 426525 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that goes without saying.
< 1521902872 55094 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I was mostly thinking of the situation with home automation and electronic door locks
< 1521902891 883605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also worrying.
< 1521902896 380221 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to use either. but some cheap hotels already use them.
< 1521902937 859412 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried about the electronic locks when I can't get *out* if the electronic part goes wrong. Some installations suck and work like that. Most avoid it.
< 1521902948 239736 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should tell a few examples.
< 1521903015 591166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah locking people in *should* be a no-go area.
< 1521903133 32169 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Door in this house has an electronic lock. While it can't be opened with a key, and can be opened only with a button from the inside, I'm not too worried. It's one of those old types with only a microcontroller controlling it, no elaborate operating system. And I think it's the type that fails to open if you turn off the electricity, which I think 
< 1521903133 249524 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do from the inside.
< 1521903164 774954 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get locked *out*, but not very easily, and that doesn't worry me too much.
< 1521903227 684526 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Door in my parent's house, where I lived for long. That one has an electronic lock combined with a mechanical key. For a while it was installed properly, so you could open it with either the mechanical key or the keypad.
< 1521903309 1733 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even the mechanical key just triggered the electronic device. Then they modified the installation so the mechanical key doesn't do anything (except lock the door so it can't be opened without using the mechanical key again, a fallback feature used only for when the electronic lock goes wrong and we disable it),
< 1521903358 724233 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks because the keypad does have a tendency to not work in the winter. At some point, before that I think, the door failed in some way that it couldn't be opened at all, not from the inside, not from the outside, for a few days. I no longer remember what the problem was.
< 1521903396 204786 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those few days we could only enter and exit through the garage door. That one can be opened without a key from the inside, but not at all from the outside.
< 1521903434 917643 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, mechanical safety doors on apartments can also sometimes fail in such a way that you can't open them at all, mostly because the hinges get tired.
< 1521903505 213852 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer lab in university has an electronic lock properly done. You enter with access card or a mechanical key, many people have access card but only few people have a key; you exit with a doorknob that works fully mechanically.
< 1521903516 884186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I almost mentioned the possibility of mechanical failure.
< 1521903585 233729 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I'm worried about mechanical failure too. I even replaced an old lock because of that, because I was worried someone would get locked in. The lock was fine, but everyone kept losing the key, and they used replacements that were copies of copies, possibly even copies of copies of copies.
< 1521903599 95226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd feel better if there always was such a purely mechanical way of opening the door from the inside.
< 1521903617 758372 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now at that place there's a lock I installed, I have two of the three original keys, and I make copies in a copier I trust.
< 1521903640 66925 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait.
< 1521903640 914853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And fortunately that's the case at work... electronic lock outside, door handle on the inside.)
< 1521903648 663706 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I only have one of the three original keys? Let me check.
< 1521903666 566376 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one of the three original keys and one copy.
< 1521903721 885334 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father has two originals. That might have been an unwise decision, but there's not much I could have done. I can't take care of two originals better than one original, but I could have given one to my brother perhaps.
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< 1521903860 17098 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: door handle on the inside can still be purely mechanical or triggering the electronics
< 1521903989 374959 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is mechanical
< 1521904011 402191 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1521904075 442878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact the electronic lock just blocks or frees the outer door handle (it's an office door), and the inner one can be pushed independently from the outer one.
< 1521904095 318073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I feel quite good about that particular mechanism
< 1521904128 692996 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At our workplace, we mostly had mechanical only locks, with one exception, an electronic lock with a keypad that closed a corridor of the office that has the server room and a few rooms of other companies. They installed that electronic lock mostly to close off a toilet, really, because the server room was protected properly with a mechanical key.
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< 1521904245 730727 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most common failure of the mechanical lock was when a new coworker couldn't stay in late because they haven't got a copy of the key of their room yet. There was one door that was difficult to open because the hinges were installed wrong, but they fixed that later. And there were some problems with damaged mechanical keys, fixed by making new co
< 1521904245 870034 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pies.
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< 1521904469 337006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-pies hmm
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< 1521913721 401352 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? title
< 1521913728 704358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Titles J. K. Rowling had specifically denied on her webpage would be the titles of the sixth or seventh Harry Potter book are: Harry Potter and the{ Green Flame Torch, Mountain of Fantasy, Fortress of Shadows, Forest of Shadows, Graveyard of Memories, Pyramids of Furmat, Pillar of Storgé, Toenail of Icklibõgg}.
< 1521914101 392364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :toenail!
< 1521914126 296715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that boily would approve. (but for no particular reason)
< 1521914129 310078 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the #esoteric logs before 2016-08-02, where do we discuss the following probability paradox? Card game. Dealer has ten cards, 4 to K inclusive of hearts, you have ten cards, 4 to K inclusive of spades.
< 1521914129 914355 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In each round, you discard a card of your choice from your hand, then dealer discards a random card from his hand, both face up. The player with higher rank of card takes the round, if equal rank nobody takes it. After ten rounds, if a player took fewer rounds than the opponent, then they pay 10 silver pieces to opponent. On a tie, nobody pays. Is 
< 1521914130 157771 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there a strategy you can play to win a positive expected value of money?
< 1521914469 846242 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm re-reading the logs. There's some other intersting maths problems on this channel.
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< 1521915498 570511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You say no that is why I said, I am unsure.
< 1521915539 637626 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry what? what's the context?
< 1521915577 758578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: About adding mana into your mana pool. I think "add [mana] into your mana pool" is probably best actually, although it is long
< 1521915639 70979 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes
< 1521915684 746264 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "add ... to your mana pool" phrasing
< 1521915772 269206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I don't know about if there is strategy to win at such a card game you described)
< 1521915817 517702 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know the solution for that problem, I'd just like to see our discussion
< 1521915883 854436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1521916051 989520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I wasn't around for this discussion or I forgot about it... need to ponder.
< 1521916085 678654 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, it's a good puzzle, that's why I don't want to spoil it
< 1521916091 277352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can know what card has already been played (but I don't know if that helps)
< 1521916113 939822 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, you can know that. that's why face up is important
< 1521916128 407929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that.
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> 1521916928 386721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish/Constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54462&oldid=51825 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-70) 10remove fake superscripts; please respect the font designer who made the "" glyph!
> 1521917118 636640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54463&oldid=37802 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+172) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */ new section
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< 1521918368 647539 :Roger9_!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ NICK :Roger9
> 1521919642 90899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54464&oldid=53189 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-11) 10/* Jokes */ link update
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< 1521922427 284167 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cake
< 1521922428 809408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
< 1521922430 613762 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cube
< 1521922431 974597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cubes come in all sizes, colors, and materials, but only one shape.
< 1521922436 397567 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? companion cube
< 1521922438 33361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's cake inside it. Tear it apart, rip open your companion, and extract the delicious, delicious cake...
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> 1521923419 470639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54465 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+1567) 10Created page with "THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. IT WILL NEVER END BEING ONE, AS INFINITE THINGS CAN BE SAID ABOUT IT. A Turing number is the concept of numbering the operations of a Turing mach..."
> 1521923588 104295 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Singingbanana14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54466&oldid=54406 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+81) 10
< 1521923706 271881 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? portal
< 1521923710 443498 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? glados
< 1521923711 230526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1521923713 779493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, and again, welcome to the Aperture Science Computer Aided Internet Relay Chat & Enrichment Center. Please enjoy your stay at #esoteric, because you will never leave.
> 1521924453 209138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54467&oldid=54342 5* 03Ais523 5* (+82) 10/* Computational class */ mention the I/D machine
> 1521924566 380038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TriINTERCAL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54468&oldid=32452 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* Examples */ punctuation
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< 1521927226 285896 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1521927469 389887 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goto statements are basically portals in instruction space
< 1521927496 211618 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/portals/one way portals/
< 1521927562 942092 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1521927608 931537 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you make goto's two way portals, it's not a goto anymore, it's a function
< 1521927621 350229 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/function/function call and return/
< 1521927668 84468 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh!
> 1521927671 559614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54469&oldid=40344 5* 03Ais523 5* (+734) 10computational class
< 1521927702 526263 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be three portals, though, because the line you return on (where in instruction space it is) isn't the same as the line that starts the procedure (the portal you exit when you enter the call).
< 1521927709 881668 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 they are printing a center rules text only Llanowar Elves. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/promos-dominaria-2018-03-22 says so.
< 1521927710 537121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1521927766 83859 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick to my "penalty to trespassing" ones though.
< 1521927875 165396 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not one of Cast Down for some reason.)
< 1521928293 111816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want them to print the cards without reminder text; they don't need the reminder text and it gets in the way. Exception is basic lands (except Wastes) that have a text box but no flavor text; they can have reminder text.
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> 1521931287 620279 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54470&oldid=54463 5* 03Ais523 5* (+755) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */ r to Hq9++fan
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> 1521931769 375502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54471&oldid=54470 5* 03Ais523 5* (+433) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */ update
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< 1521938341 546896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just shortening "add [mana] to your mana pool" as "add [mana]" is not that bad compared to "any target" which is much more bad.
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< 1521943521 405977 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it on purpose that the esowiki announcements censor unicode characters?
< 1521944021 198710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I may have applied a whitelist instead of a blacklist.
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< 1521944040 218933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a TRAIN with terrible connectivity, so can't check.
< 1521944060 250047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it's not entirely on purpose.
< 1521944098 130209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also possible it's something in MediaWiki doing it.)
< 1521944183 958219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one slow train. :/
< 1521944414 656607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a Cal train?
< 1521944483 526073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is! It's a local, I didn't feel like waiting an hour for the express, even though this one is in MTV only 23 minutes earlier.
< 1521944609 480114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interweb on my phone is actually better on this train than it was in SF. Not sure why that is. Maybe it's something about 4G, which I don't get here in the US.
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< 1521948748 987226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Parted Magic to copy the data to the new hard drive and make backups onto DVD and so on, and found that it runs everything as root (you will get a "#" prompt if you open the terminal window), and while full versions of some programs (tar, awk, cdrecord, firefox, and some others) are included, some (dc, vi) are much more limited than the normal ones, and there are no man pages.
< 1521948812 543355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike the normal dc, their dc requires spaces between commands, and lacks many commands (including q and [] and registers), but does have bitwise operations.
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> 1521955312 466117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54472&oldid=49091 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-4) 10Replaced 4 fake superscripts with their proper counterparts.
< 1521955650 444945 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know whether to be annoyed at those edits or not.

< 1521955706 974693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the  version.
< 1521955780 946967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the edit should be reversed
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> 1521984174 463710 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Channels-N14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54474 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+400) 10Created page with "This language is named so after a idea that we can have a system of open gutters to carry data. If I put a 2 in a gutter, that 2  sails by a "neighborhood rule" to another gut..."
> 1521984539 599884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54475&oldid=54465 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+278) 10
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< 1522022131 403823 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* the bug that months ago caused me to change the server i use to read mail has now spread to the new server :(
< 1522022231 386236 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsϿirjan. contagious bug?
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< 1522022780 78299 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i assume they recently updated the debian servers as well to something that includes it.
< 1522022824 754524 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: basically, i read mail on alpine via an NFS mount, and with the change the locking is no longer done properly, and alpine panics.
< 1522022857 390782 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume it's NFS that has changed its behavior.)
< 1522022925 751480 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(previously, i had the problem on their fedora server (which is still use for irc.)
< 1522022928 762623 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1522022930 562868 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i
< 1522022960 637103 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably should look into changing alpine to use IMAP or whatever.
< 1522023064 652534 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume whoever changed the NFS clients doesn't consider it a bug. maybe it's just a different configuration default.
< 1522023075 594058 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a sanity expert, I think IMAP is saner.
< 1522023105 820969 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will still keep the mail in my inbox even after i read it, right?
< 1522023141 182815 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i should clean it up and move things to other folders some day, it's up to 2000 messages.)
< 1522023141 312053 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup.
< 1522023202 628281 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nearly 2000
< 1522023224 113713 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started growing fiercely once agora got active again.
< 1522023269 338346 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a custom mutt binary setup against my gmail account. it was pretty nice!
< 1522023286 875949 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(custom because I was experimenting with GPG and stuff.)
< 1522023367 401086 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never got an gmail account, or google anything account.
< 1522023369 331455 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a
< 1522023390 584558 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still using the old student club email.
< 1522023509 146425 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, since i can never remember this, i looked up on the web how to find out what distro the server was running. the suggestion i found was cat /etc/issue ...
< 1522023560 834651 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works. “Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) \n \l”
< 1522023583 892984 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what my output was.
< 1522023657 380877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No output."
< 1522023663 623848 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong.
< 1522023672 600735 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple Windows 16.04?
< 1522023673 400370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that really is my guess
< 1522023688 91041 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i did not try it on HackEgo hth
< 1522023695 88338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/issue
< 1522023696 114726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/issue: No such file or directory
< 1522023697 30450 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it was
< 1522023698 986713 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\S
< 1522023699 56124 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel \r on an \m (\l)
< 1522023701 802356 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                
< 1522023704 623564 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1522023708 560007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :try cat /etc/lsb-release hth
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< 1522023728 615699 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i did find cat /etc/*release suggested later on the same page.
< 1522023743 22408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it seems to me that each distribution has its own standard for what to call that cross-distribution standard file.
< 1522023748 590810 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which worked (although i tried with echo first because i'm a little paranoid.)
< 1522023777 802210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conspiracy of catographers
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< 1522027965 519884 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just for you: https://youtu.be/u0tb-osR_XI
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< 1522030012 356292 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i understood very little of that.
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< 1522031314 376177 :wob_jonas!b03f1915@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you're a sanitation expert?
< 1522031375 827339 :wob_jonas!b03f1915@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for what distro you're running, check if you have a /etc/debian_version file, and check for /etc/apt/sources.list , that's often revealing
< 1522031568 159971 :sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :sprocklem
< 1522031724 617727 :wob_jonas!b03f1915@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can also be worth to test uname -a , in case the machine is running a distribution-compiled kernel, eg. for a debian-compiled kernel the output will mention Debian
< 1522031801 206055 :wob_jonas!b03f1915@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if it's not a distribution-compiled kernel, just knowing if it's a Linux kernel or a FreeBSD one narrows down the search to somewhat fewer distros, even though debian supports both, most distros support only one
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< 1522032053 964846 :wob_jonas!b03f1915@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, and one more. look at /etc/motd . it's probably customized more often than /etc/issue , so it might be less indicative, but it's still worth a try.
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< 1522035090 967140 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks wob_jonas is missing the point, which is that i am having trouble remembering _one_ way of doing this, so adding _more_ is just making the problem worse.

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< 1522035897 172425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of you happen to know where vyssotsky happened to come up with the term "thread"/"threading"?
< 1522035917 827716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1522036404 726534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you tried putting it in `? oerjan hth
< 1522036417 163528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1522036419 496123 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty loud hero is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
< 1522036441 212636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swrjan s/render/remember/; s/connivance/convenience/
< 1522036458 988346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty loud hero is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
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< 1522038099 865666 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few more edits, and it will entirely understandable and accurate...
< 1522038104 771376 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will be
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< 1522038149 651802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like string diagrams?
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< 1522044914 551788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One chess variant is to use the Chinese rule that the kings are not allowed to look at each other.
< 1522045149 391379 :Guest6451!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-101-90.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the same row?
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> 1522080846 739051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jammy 5*  10New user account
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> 1522081063 811469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54477&oldid=54452 5* 03Jammy 5* (+223) 10/* Introductions */
> 1522081129 453372 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Jammy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54478 5* 03Jammy 5* (+142) 10created userpage
< 1522081608 989819 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: The rule in xiangqi is that the two kings cannot be on the same file with no pieces in between. There's no similar rule for diagonals or ranks, because it is impossible for the kings to move into a position where they would be on the same diagonal or row
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< 1522081829 523479 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
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> 1522084207 136991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54479&oldid=54473 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+236) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */
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> 1522085037 676381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CHIQRSX9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54480&oldid=53878 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+29) 10X makes it Turing-complete
> 1522085335 800867 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54481&oldid=53801 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+29) 10Brainfuck not turing complete?!
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> 1522085716 472815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54482&oldid=43591 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-18) 10obvious fix
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> 1522087067 485878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54483&oldid=52490 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-8) 10spelling fixes
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> 1522087717 219204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Ook!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54484&oldid=33797 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+111) 10
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< 1522100173 158072 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1522100789 841124 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril!
< 1522100789 899063 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i want to
< 1522100797 2086 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you know you want to.
< 1522100797 64698 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i can do so.
< 1522100816 375359 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: when is mahjontreal
< 1522101116 124196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Such a positive message you've got today.
< 1522101116 284383 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't remember. i think i'm getting confused by the term " ideally"
< 1522101127 989373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary coherent.
< 1522101151 546130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a coherent space
< 1522101151 722505 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's the fnord fault. core dumped. it's somewhat like a generic function either.
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< 1522101222 969106 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorcah! montriichi is September 22（土）～ 23（日）
< 1522101224 871973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`"
< 1522101227 663902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15)  there is plenty of room to have two heads \ 1145)  Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be!
< 1522101322 741845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/‴//quote; quote; quote
< 1522101329 811908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/‴
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< 1522104506 649243 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`‴
< 1522104511 615278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :896)  Eat people who are in the "food jail". \ 684)  Stupid W|A doesn't even understand "Vatican papal density". (As far as countries go, they've got a quite high one.) \ 222)  !bfjoust sm3 <   Score for Deewiant_sm3: 43.4
< 1522104620 146786 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oren
< 1522104621 950383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1222)  when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap?   yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore?   apparently not santa claus   Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1223) <{\[oren]|}> ｚｚｏ３８：ｉｔ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｃａｕｓｅ　ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍｓ　ｂｙ
< 1522104646 297977 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1522104650 148083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:zomgmodules//ZOMGMODULES is both a small blonde veterinarian and just modules over the ring of ZOMGs. \ usual suspect//There are 3.99 usual suspects in #esoteric, but they're usually rounded up. \ it'//It's written with an apostrophe. \ redundancy//Since redundancy exists, it's redundant for Taneb to invent it. \ orin//orin is oren's
< 1522104659 252741 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
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< 1522110700 81762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this?   https://arin.ga/tqYxu3
< 1522110807 202988 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that?
< 1522110831 651143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : The $Fuse class was not finished being written, but that isn't my fault.
< 1522110835 577032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: Free Hero Mesh
< 1522110936 80054 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed it
< 1522111166 571891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some strange codes in there such as "1 if" and "0 1 band" which aren't now meaningful, but it is because of it was automatically converted, and the code used some variables (ExplainDeath and AltImage) which do not exist in Free Hero Mesh, so instead they are replaced by default values. (Actually, Free Hero Mesh does have a AltImage setting, although it is not readable by class codes; instead it is used to decide which picture to load whe
< 1522111401 208113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the conversion is from compiled bytecode.)
< 1522112171 984971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any other suggestions about Free Hero Mesh?
< 1522112564 960200 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too unfamiliar with it, sorry :(
< 1522113142 59034 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full
< 1522115775 491791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My GURPS character Ziveruskex knows my Dungeons&Dragons character Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe (who is a NPC in the GURPS game) by accidently falling through a secret trapdoor in a public library.
> 1522116394 676391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54485&oldid=54483 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10No, use en dash for ranges
> 1522116700 743553 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CHIQRSX9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54486&oldid=54480 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-29) 10Undo revision 54480 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]) (Stop missing the joke.)
> 1522117052 973819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54487&oldid=54479 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+186) 10If there is, I forgot.
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< 1522118203 299753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your opinion about this?
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< 1522125904 695136 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone advertised to my automated RSS Twitter feed that they would do 15 Rss Submission manually
> 1522127610 630261 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54488&oldid=54485 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+0) 10No, you must be drunk
> 1522128333 936124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54489&oldid=54487 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+148) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */
> 1522128803 955585 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54490&oldid=54488 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10Nope, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash, in particular "The en dash but not the em dash indicates spans or differentiation"
> 1522129813 220753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54491&oldid=54489 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */ Fix typo
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< 1522132026 624241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind of chess variant can be: You must keep track of each pawn if it has double-stepped yet or not; each pawn may double-step up to once per game, but does not necessarily have to be its first move.
> 1522132154 351228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54492&oldid=54491 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+58) 10
> 1522133374 721728 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54493&oldid=54490 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+0) 10Nope, you must be drunk
> 1522133428 948406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54494&oldid=54492 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+139) 10
> 1522133578 387502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54495&oldid=52043 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+55) 10Mention what "SWYM" is short for
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> 1522146357 400751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54496&oldid=54493 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Oerjan|Oerjan]]
> 1522146792 682832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54497&oldid=53190 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1158) 10please stop replacing content with Unicode a) in other people's comments, b) if you don't know what it means
> 1522146843 61504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54498&oldid=54497 5* 03Ais523 5* (-9) 10escape link to deleted image to keep MediaWiki happy
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< 1522173719 49951 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :“A large double-double with cream,” the mobster said, placing his coffee order. “I want a donut as well, gimme a honey dip.”
< 1522173803 106471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...?!
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< 1522174768 579002 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: do you mean the lobster?
< 1522174773 592264 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lobster
< 1522174775 883510 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? unicorn
< 1522174779 352273 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mobster
< 1522174780 497559 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monster
< 1522174784 356334 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lion
< 1522174874 580380 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, pinch HackEgo to wake him up
< 1522174874 763652 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: did you see that string or a formatter.
> 1522174934 524419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54499&oldid=54498 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+727) 10
< 1522175078 367520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1522175078 492799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lobster? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1522175078 492866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicorn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1522175078 492878 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lions are the catamorphisms of the animal world. They get eaten by poets in stone dens.
< 1522175078 492889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobster? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1522177872 140739 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any de-facto way of implementing a language based on term rewriting? I have an idea that just works on a circular string, but something I read on Thue systems struck me as interesting: that they're term rewriting systems supporting only unary terms.
< 1522178078 147713 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in porting some odd models of computation to an HDL. string/term rewriting seemed like an easy choice.
< 1522178224 732290 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just consider the evaluation steps in SKI calculus as term rewriting
< 1522178294 158460 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I'm looking for something that allows you to specify explicit patterns.
< 1522178394 191259 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just compiling down to S and K.
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< 1522178457 170433 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current idea is you have a circular bit buffer, and you encode your terms (and all other structures) in a dyck language.
< 1522178534 34717 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for each "cycle", you peek a certain number of bits ahead in the buffer, generate variable bindings, etc. and if the pattern succeeds in the match, dequeue the matched bits and requeue the compiled pattern (composed of the variable bindings + other bits surrounding said variables).
< 1522178619 934030 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the pattern doesn't match, simply requeue one bit.
< 1522178695 780898 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522178749 899722 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aware of how systems like Maude do their thing, though, so I'm wondering if there's either a simpler way of doing this, if term rewriting is reducible (trivially) to some form of string rewriting, or if this is the best I have.
< 1522178784 851761 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've "guessed" that they do tree matching + unification under the hood.
< 1522178952 925555 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really feasible for something like a gate-level description of a term rewriting system, though...
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< 1522180969 987069 :sparr_!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr NICK :sparr
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< 1522183558 103259 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2016 deepmind shocked the world by defeating the world champion in go
< 1522183585 182869 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? go
< 1522183586 815310 :wob_jonas!b03f1825@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? deepmind
< 1522183587 159923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common irregular verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes catching monsters in the strategic territories of East Asia.
< 1522183587 720019 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're finally able to paint ugly low res pictures that sorta look like celebrities   https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-live-cms-alt/documents/celeb_generating_images.gif
< 1522183588 491994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deepmind? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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> 1522186073 756896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54500&oldid=54437 5* 03DMC 5* (+9) 10/* Description */
> 1522186182 776168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54501&oldid=54500 5* 03DMC 5* (-7) 10/* Tedious memory initialization */
> 1522186204 383452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54502&oldid=54501 5* 03DMC 5* (+15) 10/* Tedious memory process */
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< 1522187859 257570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1115
< 1522187864 523209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1115: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
< 1522187865 898919 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf!
< 1522188591 333993 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1522188709 105400 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril.
< 1522188709 311875 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if i copy and paste works fine, except that my voice is fnord awful
< 1522188717 482089 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you have a voice?
< 1522188717 720156 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that was for warm-up) ( f x))) when you have two kinds of fnord
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> 1522191095 900309 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54503&oldid=54499 5* 03Ais523 5* (+679) 10elaborate about the Unicode situation
> 1522191116 637401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54504&oldid=54503 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10typo fix in my own comment
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< 1522200617 123294 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1522200639 318123 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:something//Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. \ inventory//An inventory is a collection of inventions. \ lambdabot//lambdabot is a fully functional bot. just don't ask about @src. or the neighbours. \ sober space//Sober spaces are the dual of Stoned spaces. Taneb invented them. \ iiuc//iiuc i understand iiuc correctly.
< 1522200640 234733 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1522200640 987359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:something//Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. \ inventory//An inventory is a collection of inventions. \ lambdabot//lambdabot is a fully functional bot. just don't ask about @src. or the neighbours. \ sober space//Sober spaces are the dual of Stoned spaces. Taneb invented them. \ iiuc//iiuc i understand iiuc correctly.
< 1522200677 847147 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention
< 1522200679 166496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1522200701 18897 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: maths
< 1522200702 840745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, linear logic, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
< 1522200705 195028 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: foods
< 1522200706 624539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, nutella, and cognac.
< 1522200727 963827 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even cognac?
< 1522200758 226866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grace period
< 1522200759 860011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma.
< 1522200772 387947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? special relativity
< 1522200773 552164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :special relativity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1522200782 47903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you also invent general relativity twh
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< 1522202416 204606 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg tanebvention | grep relativ
< 1522202442 117928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9258:2016-10-13  slwd tanebvention//s#the triverse#special relativity#
< 1522202453 57740 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
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< 1522202477 657326 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s;special relativity, ;;
< 1522202482 934961 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1522202493 130780 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grace period is over hth
< 1522202523 347470 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@160-7-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522202547 863979 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the oxford comma
< 1522202549 240713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oxford comma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1522202556 158871 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom oxford
< 1522202557 611666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​oxford//Oxford is the home of English, woven shirts, and the serial comma.
< 1522202563 888618 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom comma
< 1522202565 399773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise.
< 1522202567 690598 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1522202586 923539 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg tanebvention | grep comma
< 1522202596 968407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9222:2016-10-10  slwd tanebvention//s#and#the Oxford comma, and#
< 1522202626 206798 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg grace period
< 1522202634 358874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9856:2016-12-05  slwd grace period//s,/,, \ 9855:2016-12-05  le/rn grace period//The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma.
< 1522202667 842706 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebvention//s;the Oxford comma, ;;
< 1522202672 448662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1522202681 271626 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522202709 296665 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn_append grace period//Somehow, the time still ran out.
< 1522202713 587183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'grace period': The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma. Somehow, the time still ran out.
< 1522202761 595781 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? italian
< 1522202763 93576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1522202770 953784 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom italian
< 1522202772 348726 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise.
< 1522202788 631945 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg tanebvention | grep talian
< 1522202796 827725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11221:2017-10-11  slwd tanebvention//s/sanity, /&Italian, /
< 1522202808 460412 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that grace period hasn't run out yet.
< 1522202818 130395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I have done that?
< 1522202857 704566 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember, was Taneb learning it?
< 1522202872 87774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's possible.
< 1522202923 659988 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Italian is the world's most operational language. Taneb invented it.
< 1522202927 133873 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'italian': Italian is the world's most operational language. Taneb invented it.
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< 1522203333 250872 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd italian//s,.$, as a form of scat singing.,
< 1522203335 759892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian//Italian is the world's most operational language. Taneb invented it as a form of scat singing.
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< 1522203528 862819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd tanebventions//s/special/general/
< 1522203529 659084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roswbud!
< 1522203538 624107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
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< 1522213963 558448 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up in girl genius: a very destructive kid in a candy store
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< 1522234970 651883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/huh....png <-- what a USEFUL error message
< 1522235035 878345 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😸
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< 1522237825 375571 :ais523_!93bcc353@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.83 NICK :ais523
< 1522237833 606523 :ais523!93bcc353@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1522237834 169917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1522237838 698382 :ais523!93bcc353@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1522237839 197171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas said 3d 14h 8m 50s ago: they are printing a center rules text only Llanowar Elves. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/promos-dominaria-2018-03-22 says so.
< 1522237842 890806 :ais523!93bcc353@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.83 NICK :ais523_
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> 1522239532 634439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54505&oldid=54467 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (-32) 10/* Computational class */ the I/D machine has proven computational class, even if 3*P doesn't
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< 1522242126 227238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"even if 3*P doesn't" <-- can't parse.
< 1522242155 442110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait, I can
< 1522242228 646822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3*P is not a mathematical expression, it's an acronym.)
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< 1522242999 822582 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what word was it acronyming?
< 1522243195 958527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three Star Programmer
< 1522243304 160521 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1522249436 624122 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does my bank turn my email address all uppercase? Isn't that semantically unsafe, because the username part can be case sensitive? They're risking to send spam to the wrong postbox this way.
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< 1522250069 887489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... though making local parts case sensitive is discouraged, at least: "While the above definition for Local-part is relatively permissive, for maximum interoperability, a host that expects to receive mail SHOULD avoid defining mailboxes where the Local-part requires (or uses) the Quoted-string form or where the Local-part is case-sensitive."
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< 1522250145 617407 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, I see
< 1522250246 244903 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't know what that's supposed to interoperate with. is that just so it's easier to punch my email address to five-bit telegraph tape?
< 1522250271 923359 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to use my email address as part of a filename on a case-insensitive file system?
< 1522250361 254695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :banks that randomly store all text IN UPPER CASE.
< 1522250381 823242 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE COBOL
< 1522250480 249239 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some data that makes sense. For example, they store my name in all uppercase because that's already how it's printed on most of the government-issued ID cards they see.
< 1522250524 400974 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why those ID cards do that these days, mind you.
< 1522250532 51070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I mean, the bank is doing it wrong, but it will probably almost never break in practice.
< 1522250560 497091 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure it won't break, they're only using that email address for spam, who cares if I don't get the spam
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< 1522250676 559502 :wob_jonas!b03f18f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For urgent official communications, they need my postal address; other things I can just read when I log into the internet bank interface. Mind you, they also uppercase the postal address, which is also strange, but whatever.
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< 1522256256 68663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just got caught in a hail shower

< 1522256278 693375 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took it as a sign I should work a bit later tonight
< 1522256520 296319 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surf the interwebs
< 1522256795 898169 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: more or less what I'm doing
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> 1522266723 9397 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54506&oldid=54068 5* 03DMC 5* (+65) 10/* The Instruction set */
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> 1522269221 978770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54507&oldid=54506 5* 03DMC 5* (-1) 10/* The Instruction set */
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< 1522277594 536146 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1522277600 401113 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:lifespan//Your lifespan is how fat you are in the time dimension. The temporally fattest person in the world has a temporal length of 122 years. Interestingly, the fatter you are in space, the less fat you tend to be in time. \ rea//The Rea is the river flowing through Birmingham. It is jealous of the other rivers having four letters. \ ap
< 1522277601 394047 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1522277602 275059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:t//APT is a technical term in cyber witchcraft, short for "adequate pernicious toe-rags". \ chess//Chess is a complex boardgame, where players exchange unclear royal steaks until they decide which of them has lost. The game is recorded through the Gringmuth Moving Pineapple Notation. \ possibility//If possibility did not exist, it would no
< 1522277603 715024 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1522277604 494631 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:t be possible for Taneb not to invent it.
< 1522277677 990463 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -EIi '\btoe\b' wisdom/*
< 1522277722 230776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/8: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/biweekly: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory
< 1522277858 313119 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is apparently an esoteric language based on fetishes. wtf 
< 1522277868 230555 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw directories.
< 1522277876 433412 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloony! which one?
< 1522277887 563367 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even on esolangs.org
< 1522277890 871308 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :leme get a link
< 1522277948 235692 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet y u slow
< 1522277978 147184 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1522277978 811862 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fetlang
< 1522278036 167600 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, as far as esolangs go, it's not so bad!
< 1522278061 364205 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's worse
< 1522278063 468364 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1522278082 224181 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC, ref implementation and examples on github, not a bfderivative...
< 1522278084 794757 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no?
< 1522278096 117175 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1522278099 459867 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :diffrent contexts
< 1522278100 438334 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1522279218 698083 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:741d:109d:1cdb:3255 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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> 1522280187 464241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CJam-Flavored Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54508&oldid=53158 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+0) 10I can't count
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< 1522281072 263124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Misread that as a "hair shower", so could be worse.
< 1522281098 21200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A demonic ziggurat. That’s wrong on so many levels."
< 1522281174 862371 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist (73)
< 1522281175 823972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist (73): boily shachaf
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< 1522282248 415138 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's wrong with a hair shower? I shower my hair multiple times a week, and some people shower their own hair every day. I think that's completely normal.
< 1522282285 762542 :wob_jonas!b03f1818@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.24 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1522282625 723141 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, successfully managed to get an imap inbox
< 1522282669 971946 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see later if it works when i start tmux from scratch.
< 1522282746 643448 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't wait
< 1522283056 566633 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stubbornly tried one last intermediate solution of starting pine on the mail server itself, but it failed because the version was so old it even mangled the Ø in my name.
< 1522283092 160386 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a feature
< 1522283107 82208 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(proof: my latest agora message.)
< 1522283474 968140 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :manglerjan.
< 1522284417 91345 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote mangler
< 1522284417 471083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pseudonym says: All hail the Evil Mangler!
< 1522284431 616279 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily.
< 1522284839 60862 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` grep -EIi '\btoe\b' wisdom/*
< 1522284857 528236 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -EIi '\btoe\b'
< 1522284881 651114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt:APT is a technical term in cyber witchcraft, short for "adequate pernicious toe-rags". \ hth:hth ([ʰtʰh̩]) is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. \ portmanteau:«Portmanteau» is the French spelling of “port man toe”. \ the:the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure \ toe:The TOE is the Toe of Everything, from which our 
< 1522284895 521660 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 grwp -EIi '\btoe\b'
< 1522284897 327478 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:our universe sprang. \ twnh:twnh is dubious hambiguitous help that will or will not be help. It is provided by a toe with no hair. \ wth:WTH is wavy toe hair. hth.
< 1522284911 737328 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1522284964 151714 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `grwp
< 1522284965 381044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`grwp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1522285071 920173 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. t.
< 1522285076 718499 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :toes everywhere...
< 1522285084 744341 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least it's not nostrils.)
< 1522285099 113064 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn grwp greps in the wisdom directory, while removing some output noise you get if you try to do it by hand.
< 1522285105 860786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'grwp': grwp greps in the wisdom directory, while removing some output noise you get if you try to do it by hand.
< 1522285147 7434 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help grwp
< 1522285148 236088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grwp greps in the wisdom directory, while removing some output noise you get if you try to do it by hand.
< 1522285187 391217 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is more authentic :P
< 1522285237 392690 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if by authentic you mean "never gets past the directory errors".
< 1522285282 102591 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also with redundant wisdom/ prefixes.
< 1522285352 143329 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor details >_>'...
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< 1522286674 769004 :ATMunn_!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn NICK :ATMunn
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> 1522304219 621393 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54509&oldid=54504 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+246) 10
> 1522304248 85890 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54510&oldid=54509 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+39) 10
< 1522304784 327477 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1522306041 94791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hq9eFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54511&oldid=46244 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+28) 10
< 1522306364 597466 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xovljyixlkvryxfa JOIN :#esoteric
> 1522306630 356619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54512&oldid=30549 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+39) 10two-dimensional
> 1522306715 946114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07H9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54513&oldid=54457 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+41) 10
> 1522306824 512800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54514&oldid=54459 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+77) 10/* See also */
< 1522306871 673044 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
> 1522306933 967283 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54515&oldid=54514 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+59) 10/* See also */
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> 1522312838 630313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54516&oldid=53709 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-231) 10/* Arithmetic interpretation of BCT */ fix mess
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> 1522319538 329120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54517&oldid=16413 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-6) 10
< 1522319624 64161 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1522328269 582609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Reinier 5*  10New user account
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> 1522329553 281954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54518&oldid=54477 5* 03Reinier 5* (+173) 10I introduced myself
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> 1522332080 643898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ZTOALC L14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54519 5* 03Reinier 5* (+2825) 10Created page with "== Control flow == A ZTOALC L program starts with a line containing a positive integer, followed by a number of lines containing instructions. There is an instruction pointer..."
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> 1522332343 329002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54520&oldid=54441 5* 03Reinier 5* (+15) 10Added ZTOALC L
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> 1522339938 197334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54521&oldid=54517 5* 03ZM 5* (+6) 10Undo revision 54517 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]) Why are you editing nine-year-old comments?
< 1522340679 378816 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1522344029 817031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CHIQRSX9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54522&oldid=54486 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */
> 1522344240 784555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54523&oldid=54521 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-6) 10because I want to make them ! font designers who made the superscript characters, should be respected.
> 1522344497 494023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54524&oldid=54084 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+50) 10/* Cheating Quines */
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< 1522346101 674765 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I dumb or is urbit a pretentious pile of vaporware.
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< 1522347424 114962 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1522347424 175070 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
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> 1522352798 2637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54525&oldid=54510 5* 03ZM 5* (+1632) 10Just to prove my point here
> 1522352863 908554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54526&oldid=54525 5* 03ZM 5* (-12) 10Whoops
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> 1522354732 269791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54528&oldid=54507 5* 03DMC 5* (-1) 10/* Addressing modes */
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< 1522357604 219171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, SHENZHEN I/O board layout can actually be hard. http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/szlayout.png
> 1522358095 934576 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54529&oldid=54481 5* 03DMC 5* (+157) 10/* Related languages */
> 1522358223 921374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54530&oldid=54529 5* 03DMC 5* (+57) 10/* Related languages */
> 1522358337 977927 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54531&oldid=54502 5* 03DMC 5* (+46) 10
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< 1522362142 183255 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG LOOOL look at this britsh guy drinking A&W root beer https://youtu.be/LmT8IMxIpw0?t=11m36s
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< 1522364487 955414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... good-bye Shenzhen. Didn't expect that :)
< 1522364566 842395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maybe I should have... TIS 100 had a similar transition.
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< 1522364601 82558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 "Reuters has found several blockchain projects launched by major financial institutions that have been shelved, as development of the technology enters a hype-meets-reality phase."
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< 1522365814 456217 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Horray, graphics card prices might go back to bieng reasonable
< 1522365888 214654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1522365912 471425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't about cryptocurrencies.
< 1522366077 891886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the "oh let's store all the data about our business relationships in a blockchain based ledger so that we don't have to trust each other..." idea (that's basically what a blockchain *can* do, but often you don't really operate on a basis of mutual mistrust; you have contracts and lawyers and accountants instead), which has then somehow been hyped as magically solving all interoperability...
< 1522366083 937695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...problems, which was clearly bullshit.
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< 1522366178 709013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cryptocurrencies, for better or worse, are one application that actually works. Which is a pity because it's a huge waste of resources and the value attached to the currencies is purely speculative. There is no tangible (or lasting, I think) value.
< 1522366576 731651 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a scam. a pyramid, a ziggurat, a tumulus... whatever, it's all a scam.
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< 1522367707 606013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought how to make a improve kind of dc and wrote down on a paper, what will be the new commands in addition to the GNU and BSD extensions. These include: arithmetic-if, call stack depth, bitwise operations, fractions with arbitrary denominators, byte I/O, and some additional string manipulations.
< 1522367748 254412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"z      Pushes the current stack depth"
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< 1522367793 289653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one exists)
< 1522367846 929179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is for the data stack depth, not the call stack depth.
> 1522372440 84503 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hq9eFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54535&oldid=54511 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2) 10Put categories at end
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ACTION sidles away carefully from the sub-/superscript discussion on the wiki

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> 1522388184 494959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Noobinary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54538&oldid=54536 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-166) 10Moved to talk.
> 1522388193 963485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Noobinary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54539 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+579) 10/* Turing Completeness  */ new section
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< 1522390076 645564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like what they do with the legendary sorceries in the new Magic: the Gathering set. It should be a new keyword ability instead. (Those cards can still be legendary, though.) This and the "any target" are the two things I don't like; everything else looks good as far as I can tell (but I didn't see everything about it).
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< 1522392280 219920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion?
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< 1522393725 390161 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! May anyone recommend a good language for esolang implementation?
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< 1522394840 59889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to make? If you are trying to implement some esolang, look up the [[Category:Unimplemented]] perhaps.
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< 1522395211 92784 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if I want to implement a esolang, what will be the best language to do this. I know this is opinion-based!
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< 1522395262 425048 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: Haskell, Ruby...
< 1522395267 624632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends what esolang you are trying to implement.
< 1522395346 579749 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. For a Tape-based one, what is my best choice?
< 1522395483 565013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know so well Ruby programming, but you could represent a tape as an array in many programming languages, although a tape can also be represented in Haskell easily enough too
< 1522395512 118127 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. I just said Ruby as a example, BTW. 
< 1522395608 978012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK.
< 1522395624 53072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the programming language you like, I suppose.
< 1522395791 941700 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. Recently I had enormous trouble with global variables in python. Errors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1522395891 144749 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you change a global variable in a def() command?
< 1522395939 901785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't know Python programming so well either. (I have modified a few Python programs before, but do not remember much about it.)
< 1522396022 661991 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python was meant to be easy to learn. What is it now? A total mishmash!
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< 1522396874 583081 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! I repaired my program!
< 1522396960 719976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program is that?
< 1522397233 357205 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A interpreter for my own programming language. The one had global variable errors with.
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< 1522397321 511324 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to O'Reilly!
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< 1522397565 784574 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we add our languages to [[Category:Languages]]?
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< 1522397611 874664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add [[Category:Languages]] into your page in order to set the category of that page. There are other categories too.
< 1522397733 734479 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean is [[Category:Languages]] compulsory? Do you have to add your language to the language list?
< 1522397745 492923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do so.
< 1522397758 682340 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
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< 1522405431 779630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote how a Sokoban game might be implemented in Free Hero Mesh:   https://arin.ga/29e5QH   (the Loc and BroadcastSum commands, as well as the ability to define actions of inputs in this way, and the ability for Density to be negative, are all new to Free Hero Mesh)
< 1522405480 848546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think is a good way to be able to define a puzzle game like that? Once Free Hero Mesh is written enough to do so, then, it can be done.
< 1522405557 208041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea might be that I might add a top level (Goal) command into Free Hero Mesh, so that the BEGIN_TURN line can be removed and instead at top level code you can add:  (Goal $Box #TEST 0 0 BroadcastSum lnot)
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< 1522411772 270339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It is a program I am writing, to make up and play a puzzle game on computer.
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< 1522412086 542771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everett Kaser made up a Hero Mesh game, but has several problems including, many bugs, not compatible with Linux, proprietary software, a limit of 512 pictures (and since each class needs at least one picture, also a limit of 512 classes), and others. So, Free Hero Mesh is made to be the better way. I already wrote a program to convert puzzle sets from Hero Mesh into Free Hero Mesh.
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< 1522412206 997791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this answer your question suitably?
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> 1522412510 770862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54555&oldid=54554 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-2) 10
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> 1522413451 107991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54561&oldid=54560 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-85851) 10
> 1522413506 30998 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54562&oldid=54561 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+93419) 10
> 1522413574 121234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54563&oldid=54562 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+3705) 10
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> 1522413694 612983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54565&oldid=54564 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+80) 10
> 1522413717 140245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54566&oldid=54565 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+1) 10
> 1522413752 331446 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54567&oldid=54566 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+1) 10
> 1522413809 364546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54568&oldid=54567 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+7814) 10
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> 1522414138 432180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54571&oldid=54570 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+2451) 10
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> 1522414549 897401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54577&oldid=54576 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+30) 10
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> 1522414702 37248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54579&oldid=54578 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+22) 10
> 1522414735 948762 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54580&oldid=54579 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+4) 10
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> 1522414820 162921 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54581&oldid=54580 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+2) 10
> 1522414877 453665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54582&oldid=54581 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+1) 10
> 1522414936 67318 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54583&oldid=54582 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+1) 10
> 1522415866 105332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unreadable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54584&oldid=54553 5* 03ZM 5* (-13) 10That's also not how  works; unmatched tags are bad and would you ever use this page as a template?
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< 1522422756 189361 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is up with the reported page size on https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hq9%2B%2Bfan&action=history
< 1522422977 790401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's real... lots and lots of spaces :-(
< 1522423027 427129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(smiley because I cannot think of a benign reason for pushing it that far)
< 1522423133 174389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. I can't think of a non-benign intentional reason either. I don't know what happened there.
< 1522423167 735743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot of spaces for sure.
< 1522423353 808238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess the most benign reason is "I wonder what the maximum page size is on this wiki".
< 1522423623 679371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by the changes though. There's a few that just remove spaces.
< 1522423676 23809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Was expecting something to be encoded in it, but it looks to be just 0x20 all the way.)
< 1522423694 111576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well at least they compress well...
< 1522423744 13244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is how I misdiagnosed this in the first place... I expected a 1MB page to take a while to load for me on the low bandwidth connection.)
< 1522423751 434358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that gets stored in the MediaWiki database though.
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< 1522423817 68476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Reduce_size_of_the_database#Compress_page_text ... "By default, MediaWiki saves text into the database uncompressed."
< 1522423843 982908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if it also keeps all revisions as-is, or as deltas.
< 1522423862 87573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By default, MediaWiki saves a full copy of every version of every page on the wiki, which can add up on frequently-edited pages."
< 1522423865 629173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess that answers it.
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< 1522423934 488464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KISS at work
< 1522423946 307077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? kiss
< 1522423969 247921 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1522423980 917068 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gone
< 1522423988 956003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot?
< 1522423989 171115 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i am aware that, gasp, pairs are scheme objects.)
< 1522424008 598514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 42
< 1522424012 201932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42
< 1522424032 411665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that "gasp".
< 1522424047 508009 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "The answer to life, the universe and everything"
< 1522424050 616821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "The answer to life, the universe and everything"
< 1522424052 958409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$datadir/esolang_wiki/text.ibd is 696 MiB, apparently.
< 1522424174 244103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by "gone" you meant the whole thing is gone.
< 1522424186 172465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's been an alert as well.
< 1522424190 91692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it's just being CaC.
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< 1522424255 615738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant that HackEgo is not on this channel ... I really didn't check further than that.
< 1522424326 982268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not been on their homepage a while... at least they're having a sale ;-)
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< 1522424348 828677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've never seen that page without a "sale" going on.)
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< 1522426542 555919 :psin!~chicken@funkenste.in PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.0.1"
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< 1522429475 725516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; it's not answering SSH, and I don't have access to the console, so we'll just wait and see.
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< 1522431101 211508 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crickets. tumbleweed.
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< 1522432212 529853 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon?
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> 1522436632 77903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ZM14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54586 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+1046331) 10rudity
> 1522436735 632413 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54587&oldid=40054 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-15) 10/* Quine */ golf
> 1522437044 268743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ZM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54588&oldid=54586 5* 03ZM 5* (-1046043) 10Why don't we all just stop this already
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> 1522438133 184295 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Noobinary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54589&oldid=54551 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+251) 10/* Turing Completeness */
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< 1522439094 712672 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a description of it anywhere? where will you publish it?
> 1522439471 110300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mishmash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54590&oldid=54548 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+178) 10
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< 1522439968 433435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Description of Free Hero Mesh, do you mean? I have a Fossil repository:  http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/heromesh.ui/  (I am still working on it.)
< 1522440026 731716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you have any suggestions, comments, complaints, questions, etc, you can ask!)
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< 1522470444 4381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of some new idea of Magic: the Gathering cards to make up, such as: Protection from players having at least one card in their hand
< 1522471849 637486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought some cards could have "protection from cards"
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< 1522492737 737619 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
> 1522493062 381314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Singingbanana14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54591&oldid=54466 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+173) 10
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> 1522498286 190373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54596&oldid=54376 5* 03ZM 5* (-12) 10
> 1522499289 579179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0799 bottles of beer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54597&oldid=34815 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-4) 10remove awful doublespaces
> 1522499313 281910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0799 bottles of beer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54598&oldid=54597 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-1) 10/* Purpose */ remove unnecessary code
> 1522499683 404797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54599&oldid=46288 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-5920) 10remove vandalism
> 1522499785 382682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:APLWSI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54600&oldid=53667 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+120) 10
> 1522499927 704989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minimal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54601&oldid=19981 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+28) 10
> 1522500473 903733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54602&oldid=54599 5* 03ZM 5* (+5920) 10Undo revision 54599 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]) that wasn't vandalism, see [[/~]]
> 1522500999 788269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minimal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54603&oldid=54601 5* 03ZM 5* (+113) 10Just expansion
> 1522501124 636776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:APLWSI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54604&oldid=54600 5* 03ZM 5* (+125) 10
> 1522501700 867301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54605&oldid=54583 5* 03Ais523 5* (-1046182) 10set top revision for revision delete
> 1522501753 992303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Hq9++fan10]]": housekeeping: old-fashioned revision delete of several very large revisions which are making life much harder on the server for no good reason, and contain no useful content
> 1522501808 367503 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10restored "[[02User:Hq9++fan10]]": restore the revisions of this page other than the ones that are intentionally inflated with large amounts of whitespace
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> 1522501889 984724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54606&oldid=54540 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1235) 10/* includeonly */ new section
> 1522501944 604750 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54607&oldid=54593 5* 03Ais523 5* (-41) 10Undo revision 54593 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]): please don't transclude user talk pages on other user talk pages
> 1522502094 861698 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:ZM10]]": housekeeping: old-fashioned revision delete of very large revisions which are making life much harder on the server for no good reason, and contain no useful content
> 1522502277 823063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 restore10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10restored "[[02User talk:ZM10]]": restore the revisions of this page other than the ones that are intentionally inflated with large amounts of whitespace
> 1522502448 987043 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/1010]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/10/diff/prev/60]])
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> 1522502921 870021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ZM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54608&oldid=54595 5* 03Ais523 5* (+703) 10this page probably shouldn't need protection from transclusion
> 1522503219 869091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ZM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54609&oldid=54608 5* 03ZM 5* (+53) 10
> 1522503261 886778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54610&oldid=54516 5* 03Ais523 5* (+231) 10Undo revision 54516 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]): Unicode super/subscripts should not be used to spell words
> 1522503651 642253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54611&oldid=54523 5* 03Ais523 5* (+6) 10Undo revision 54523 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]): please don't revert-war
> 1522503820 678408 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07H9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54612&oldid=54513 5* 03Ais523 5* (-41) 10Undo revision 54513 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]): listing what is a quine is more useful than listing what isn't a quine
> 1522503857 745541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54613&oldid=54482 5* 03Ais523 5* (+18) 10Undo revision 54482 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]): please stop making trivial changes to other people's comments without their permission
> 1522503979 574088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54614&oldid=54458 5* 03Ais523 5* (+9) 10Undo revision 54458 by [[Special:Contributions/Hq9++fan|Hq9++fan]] ([[User talk:Hq9++fan|talk]]): the Unicode version is actually more "fake",  is valid HTML and should be used for longer strings as it's more readable/nestable
> 1522504100 299382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54615&oldid=54464 5* 03Ais523 5* (-18) 10Wikipedia links are best done as interwiki rather than external
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< 1522504264 175141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as the only remaining active uninvolved admin, do you think something needs to be done about Hq9++fan?
< 1522504271 486685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the majority of their edits are actively counterproductive
< 1522504346 440136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up adding /two/ abuse filter entries today to try to cut down on their worse abuses
< 1522504378 607592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd add one to stop them editing Unicode into pages too (Unicode has its place but Hq9++fan doesn't know what it is…), but couldn't figure out a way to do it which didn't have a massive false positive rate
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< 1522505771 140827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to add a filter so that non-ASCII characters cannot be entered directly but must use the HTML & codes instead?
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< 1522505884 133445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but that's probably counterproductive
< 1522505892 891013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the literal Unicode is normally more readable than the HTML-escaped verison
> 1522505935 84515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54616&oldid=54607 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+1575) 101. what does transclude mean?, 2. you are not allowed to delete warnings from your talk page. If you want to make personal test or sandbox edits, go to [[User:Ais523|your room]].
> 1522505937 319996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ZM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54617&oldid=54609 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+126) 10
< 1522505979 715754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it does encourage use of ASCII when possible, and avoids homoglyph problems with the wiki markup
< 1522506018 804567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you can also still use non-ASCII characters when you need to.
< 1522506025 888968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2. you are not allowed to delete warnings from your talk page.
< 1522506036 929025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for reference: the user in question transcluded a different user's user talk page onto mine)
> 1522506090 58218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54618&oldid=54610 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-231) 10but at least they're better than fake superscripts and subscripts
> 1522506149 953484 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54619&oldid=54616 5* 03Ais523 5* (+197) 10/* A rude behavior */ {{unsigned}}, context
> 1522506172 359035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54620&oldid=54619 5* 03Ais523 5* (+122) 10/* A rude behavior */ sign the context so that people know it was me who added it
> 1522506207 354392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54621&oldid=54614 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-9) 10it is kind-of fake because small capitals were used as subscripts, but at least the font designer can customize them, unlike the actual fake superscripts and subscripts, which the font designer has no control over.
> 1522506333 374211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54622&oldid=54611 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-6) 10no
> 1522506412 719912 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54623&oldid=54606 5* 03Ais523 5* (+796) 10/* includeonly */ r to question asked in edit summary on my talk page
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> 1522506756 979128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/abusefilter14]]4 modify10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10modified [[02Special:AbuseFilter/1210]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/12/diff/prev/62]])
< 1522506767 667944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could someone who isn't currently in a revert war with Hq9++fan revert their latest Unicodification edits (assuming that they agree with me that they're a bad idea)?
< 1522506788 368935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just edited the abuse filter to prevent them using them altogether, which will have some false positives but is at least less drastic than a block
< 1522506794 265319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I'm really tempted to block round about now…)
< 1522506799 176265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree with you that they are a bad idea.
> 1522506841 553671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54625&oldid=54618 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+231) 10No they aren't
< 1522506884 769952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
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< 1522506983 888373 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION somehow likes Unicodification-Edits in general

< 1522506991 397633 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Idea how sensible they are in the current Case
< 1522506999 235779 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Time to look at them — need to play NetHack 😉
< 1522507027 465349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=%E2%84%92&diff=prev&oldid=54621 and https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Apple3.14&diff=prev&oldid=54622 are Hq9++fan's two most recent
< 1522507044 217062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is an appropriate use of Unicode but is editing someone else's talk page comment
< 1522507086 906554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that usually you should use ASCII characters. Sometimes there is the use to use non-ASCII Unicode characters, but you should use ASCII if the use of ASCII would be appropriate, which it often is.
< 1522507088 863634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is inappropriate due to trying to use Unicode for formatting purposes
< 1522507126 576067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ʟ
< 1522507139 582776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even figure out which block that one's from…
< 1522507178 159991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, HackEgo isn't here
< 1522507240 254495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filter 10 seems there may be a possible problem in some cases.
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< 1522507265 630084 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seems to like Hq9++fan's Version better. But i am very bad at Mathematics. I do not even know LaTeX. My Brother, who studied Electrotechnics/Informationtechnics probably would agree with Doctor ais523 😉

< 1522507287 423720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: the most obvious problem is what happens if you have a subscript on a subscript
< 1522507309 835392 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees

< 1522507317 641104 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for pointing that one out
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< 1522507328 710500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it isn't even subscript, it's smallcaps
< 1522507334 37236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ʟ, I mean)
< 1522507334 737501 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh
< 1522507343 385362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no particular reason why it'd line up with the subscript ₍
< 1522507348 318531 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1522507352 507692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it just happens to in Hq9++fan's font
< 1522507353 562896 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hail Eris!
< 1522507370 848201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's intended only for use in IPA (i.e. phonetic spelling)
< 1522507389 621397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ZM
< 1522507409 539495 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, more than enough Reasons to also dislike Hq9++fan's Version. Thanks.
< 1522507438 137647 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably help to include those Reasons in the Edit-History
< 1522507476 399584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, I put two safeguards in because of that: a) if the page is enlarged over multiple edits (e.g. due to people adding hello world programs), the limit is larger; b) if the page needs to be large an admin can do the edit to make it large and then there'll be no size restriction unless it shrinks smaller
< 1522507502 553688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people adding megabyte-scale junk to pages is unfair on our server hosts
< 1522507518 101765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and makes the history page slow to load)
< 1522507530 348628 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qaz.wtf/u/convert.cgi?text=How+well+does+this+work%3Fm > look at Superscript (pseudoalphabet) 
< 1522507560 247755 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net NICK :singingbanana
< 1522507562 783016 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People, what is going on?
< 1522507587 806475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What makes an alphabet "psuedo"?     One or more of the letters transliterated has a different meaning or source than intended.
< 1522507598 136972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: Hq9++fan is making some very dubious changes to the wiki
< 1522507605 833682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but maybe you should add a check that the latest previous size other than sysops is less than 200000, so that if you remove stuff, you can add it again. (I don't know if it already does that or not, or how to do the MediaWiki abuse filtering anyways)
< 1522507612 991606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I did
< 1522507616 93304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1522507623 662142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't check back in history with abuse filter syntax
< 1522507633 547594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully that'll be a rare enough case that asking an admin for help will do
< 1522507639 653973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it does end up as a common problem we can disable the filter
< 1522507643 327264 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh oh... The wiki is meant for esolangs not spam... I think.
< 1522507651 185143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: I agree with tht
< 1522507652 741514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
> 1522507657 444939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54626&oldid=54625 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-334) 10they are ! ! !
< 1522507708 870784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, did Hq9++fan seriously just remove the formatting from the page due to the ban I added on using Unicode superscripts/subscripts?
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< 1522507733 377275 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what page?
< 1522507738 950113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one esowiki just linked
< 1522507757 865415 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1522507792 511416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ban applies to Hq9++fan specifically; I have no issue with people using them appropriately and have even done so myself, but repeatedly proving that you don't know what you're doing with a feature is often reason to have your right to use it revoked)
< 1522507838 552175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we have to wait for fizzie to turn up to actually block Hq9++fan, you're not supposed to block users you're in an argument with (which makes sense, it's easy for admins to become biased/non-objective in such cases)
< 1522507841 492710 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1522507890 413330 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a look. What did he dubiously change? BTW. You ask him to stop as a final warning...
< 1522507909 900718 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1522507912 827459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: replaced all the  and  tags with _ and ^
< 1522507931 50082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hq9++fan seems to have a vendetta against  and  for some reason
< 1522507938 161718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really bizarre thing to have a vendetta against
< 1522507960 284903 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have  in a BCT article?
< 1522507969 188503 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1522507972 678178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a computational model, i.e. was written by mathematicians
< 1522507989 470719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the notation uses, e.g., subscripts for array indexing
< 1522508011 86631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise it uses superscript for string repetition (which is standard in maths because string concatenation uses the same syntax as multiplication)
< 1522508019 681316 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. OK,then HQ9++fan is wrecking havoc!!!
< 1522508037 153809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely
< 1522508040 561372 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1522508059 801553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has used the old tactic of "intentionally aggravate all the admins you can find, so that they look biased when they ban you"
< 1522508066 149224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'm waiting on fizzie
< 1522508117 514262 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think let ignore HQ9++fan.he'll stop.
< 1522508185 430089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the pages get damaged in the process
< 1522508212 173794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hoped they'd stop when I added the block on the specific pattern edits they were doing
< 1522508236 475667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point they added almost a megabyte of whitespace to their userpage (apparently as testing), then used it to attack other people's talk pages
< 1522508271 782532 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right... ban? BTW Im going to the airport soon. 
< 1522508311 449204 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I found a nice artice on Lambda the ultimate called Resource Polymorphism.
< 1522508318 463665 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*article
< 1522508330 93878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that sounds interesting
< 1522508347 642444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If fizzie bans them then we can revert the pages at that time, instead of right now
< 1522508364 247690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since otherwise it won't help
< 1522508385 931187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know their telephone number to call fizzie?
< 1522508404 389059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not urgent
< 1522508409 649506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has been going for a few days already
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< 1522508523 800232 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one fortress from this problem. fungot
< 1522508524 25688 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: you can play with sisc, dominique said that it remains to be seen
< 1522508547 222147 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1522508547 551099 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: i'd allow for every possible set of features; and a set of fnord pairs, opcode ( 1-6) and argument.
< 1522508561 497952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do Hq9++fan even mean by "fake superscripts"... this is proper HTML markup :-/
< 1522508621 486514 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The reason for that link was that I believe Hq9++fan uses a similar converter; this one calls Superscript a pseudoalphabet because it lacks some characters, so it pulls some from other places, which explains that weird character 
< 1522508623 42597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I guess they mean that the markup is lost in cut&paste.
< 1522508644 762523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZM: right
< 1522508661 979947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think they just really dislike HTML subscripts and superscripts for some reason
< 1522508670 304330 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this train has patchy wifi
< 1522508676 598809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the markup isn't lost in copy, it can be lost on paste with some programs, depending on whether they understand HTML pasting
< 1522508708 293975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it is lost when copying from Firefox to a terminal, for example: (bk + 1)(bk-1 + 1)...(b0 + 1)
< 1522508733 662925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I consider that to be a shortcoming of the former, and a minor nuisance at worst.)
< 1522508745 406214 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our community is small. Vandals make it smaller.
< 1522508745 439607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on Windows it's a shortcoming of the latter
< 1522508921 182288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can copy the HTML code if you want to, as well
< 1522508995 961366 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9++fan stopped!
< 1522509313 104893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been editing on and off over the last several days
< 1522509315 836170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's why a ban isn't urgent)
< 1522509383 690169 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. The ♦/~ page has a reference to a virus site.
< 1522509474 641839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediafire isn't exactly a virus site
< 1522509478 130592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a file hosting site
< 1522509486 141219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets arbitrary people host files
< 1522509496 654713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people use it to host malicious files, so web filters often block it
< 1522509501 511288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great. So `links` indicates HTML superscripts using ^ (and subscripts using _), but all the "fance" unicode symbols are displayed as *.
< 1522509518 448152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might make sense to ask the uploader to rehost it somewhere more reputable
< 1522509529 914243 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A file named ♦.zip isn't suspicious at all though /s
< 1522509531 272232 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fance/fancy/
< 1522509544 719122 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked the mediafire button and it exploded into a ton of 'deceptive sites according to firefox.
< 1522509559 763397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: right, there's likely to be a lot of reported malware there
< 1522509576 989427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Firefox disallowing connections there by default makes sense
< 1522509585 598885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a decent chance that the link's expired anyway
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< 1522509610 105726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we could ask David.werecat to rehost it somewhere more reputable, like a pastebin site
< 1522509631 562209 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank  you for reassuring me that my computer is not a swarm of trojans 
< 1522509710 30946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Firefox won't connect to sites reported to host malware in the first place, so you're probably OK in that respect
< 1522509723 709117 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why did you send a cat program in sed?
< 1522509723 857490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it wouldn't surprise me if infected adverts ended up on that sort of site frequently
< 1522509733 267669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often have a large number of adverts mimicking download buttons
< 1522509761 42053 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I did not click it though, as there was no padlock!
< 1522509787 267580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct download link, which is compatible with curl, is best
< 1522509797 961758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1522509803 188768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sites like mediafire have huge problems making money
< 1522509812 221773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they tend to have a very user-hostile user experience
< 1522509825 807243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: I did what?
< 1522509830 693065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. making you wait several minutes before the download starts, allowing you to pay them money to make it go faster)
< 1522509848 684861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't the cat program in sed the null string?
< 1522509859 448888 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: s/fance/fancy in sed mirrors your input.
< 1522509870 954434 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but he also has a vendetta against double spacing after sentences, and I think fizzie likes single spacing, so he won't block him
< 1522509898 56822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: I had a typo in the message before that.
< 1522509902 668469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I don't really see how that will be relevant?
< 1522509913 48836 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh. Funny!!
< 1522509944 894277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it makes absolutely no difference to the rendered output
< 1522509951 81179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in wikimarkup
< 1522509961 817189 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1522509963 201731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not worth changing either way
< 1522509998 247166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs I use have markup for distinguishing an end-of-sentence full stop from other users of the period character
< 1522510012 459146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two-spaces is a common choice of markup for that (although not the only one)
< 1522510097 840926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I ever get round to writing my HTML/plaintext polyglot language
< 1522510118 69400 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not *yet* in an edit war with Hq9++fan, but I could change that
< 1522510122 579219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably insist on two spaces at the end of sentences because it's the least stupid-looking way to make a sentence period different from an abbreviation period
< 1522510146 204766 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after today's edits I might
< 1522510172 991047 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking there's going to be loads of joke languages uploaded tommorow
< 1522510177 798100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Lynx also displays HTML superscripts with ^ (and uses a different colour than the main text); this page http://zzo38computer.org/gurpsgame/1.ui/wiki?name=Session+11 is one example; footnotes are designated as ^1 and ^2 and so on, in yellow
< 1522510206 665614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: more likely serious languages disguised as jokes
< 1522510209 385106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have one planned, btw
< 1522510215 822754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I /was/ working on a new esolang recently…
> 1522510219 846624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54627&oldid=54626 5* 03Int-e 5* (+334) 10Revert to revision 53709. This is the semantically correct way of indicating superscripts and subscripts in HTML. (And you can even get the TeX-alike output in the links browser.)
< 1522510283 661431 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: Oh I have an idea already
< 1522510288 926809 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is no more real joke languages left to make. So I'm going to publish a language i was developing for months
< 1522510347 149522 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alfie: the Presumption-based esolang
> 1522510376 134422 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54628&oldid=54621 5* 03B jonas 5* (+9) 10
< 1522510379 270287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you want to complain about typographical errors or anything else in that story, you are free to do so)
< 1522510384 756990 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, let me start that edit war then
< 1522510421 850094 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuperScript!
< 1522510432 669130 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: I don't think that's true. There are still joke languages left to make.
< 1522510459 621617 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... But the Introduction to Esolang design... 
< 1522510466 557196 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZM: ho ho ho!
< 1522510621 167162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Welcome to another episode of https://xkcd.com/386/ )
< 1522510774 450834 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This all feels like https://xkcd.com/1974/ as well
> 1522510806 304370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54629&oldid=54552 5* 03B jonas 5* (-39) 10
> 1522510818 278143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54630&oldid=54629 5* 03B jonas 5* (-5) 10
< 1522510832 295020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinf of funny how strongly I feel about not calling  and  "fake".
< 1522510857 790271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot`: kinf?
< 1522510857 903281 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fixed already. i want to
< 1522510914 485741 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hello! How is your day! Better than mine, ofcourse!
< 1522510914 625492 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: and is more concerned about efficiency than correctness
< 1522510924 165753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the ridiculous thing is that the version that was edited /in/ was fake subscript, on one of the pages (literally; it was smallcaps, not subscript)
< 1522510937 397210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I looked closely it actually didn't line up with the subscript next to it
< 1522510990 480095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like what I see of the new "Dominaria" Magic: the Gathering cards except that I hate their use of the phrase "any target" and how they are making legendary sorceries working (and a few things I am neutral about, such as the new legendary card frame). So, I will not use the phrase "any target" on my own custom cards, whether to mean what I want it to mean or what WotC wants it to mean.
< 1522511051 396327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I take it you'd want "any target" to also include at least permanents of any card type?
< 1522511051 910602 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know how there are some programmers who use some of these non-ascii symbols when they quote a program from an ordinary ascii programming language (like C or haskell) in an article? like a right arrow instead of -> and similar? and how even Knuth does that?
< 1522511057 326585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about other things that can be targeted?
< 1522511062 875674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes
< 1522511069 983841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it may be defensible in the case of Haskell and Algol
< 1522511079 775374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would want "any target" to mean "target player, object, or zone".
< 1522511093 443185 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when haskellers do that, they represent the ++ infix by two pluses kerned so close together that they overlap. does that have a unicode representation, and if so, can we rename Hq9++fan's username to include that?
< 1522511101 723141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: zones generally? or only zones that belong to a player?
< 1522511106 789309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see much benefit to targeting exile
< 1522511160 709009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: probably ⧺?
< 1522511175 177946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"double plus" in Miscellaneous Mathematical Symbols B
< 1522511176 474497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any zone (not that there is usually much point targeting it, but it can be targeted; the rules of the game don't say they can't be targeted, it is just that there aren't any cards that target the exile zone)
< 1522511186 763241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the proportions are different
< 1522511196 491371 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how about if you imagine that in "any target" the "target" is a pun between the M:tG technical term and the ordinary meaning of something that's dealt damage. there are already cards where you have to choose any damage source, for preventing or rederecting damage from that source. this time you have to choose any damage target as a target.
< 1522511205 659007 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perfect!
< 1522511227 430928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: That is one possibility, although I would have preferred "target damageable" or something like that
< 1522511236 55295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I cheated and used Shapecatcher
< 1522511272 511474 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you really want that written on a Lightning Bolt?
< 1522511334 198694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes, although there may be another suggestion too; just "any target" doesn't make sense
< 1522511440 755198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing on a lightning bolt would be quite hard
< 1522511443 941987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plasma doesn't hold ink well
< 1522511444 961203 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is snapecatcher?
< 1522511450 783878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's an interesting concept to imagine
< 1522511455 221219 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see the problem. we already have restr'ns in the comp rules telling what you can target: in particular a Counterspell can't target itself. I don't see a problem with the comp rules restricting what cards saying "any target" can target.
< 1522511463 132205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: shapecatcher's a website that OCRs unicode (apart from CJK)
> 1522511475 390018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54631&oldid=54605 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1) 10replaced fake operator with proper counterpart
< 1522511478 863224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you often have to scroll well down the list in order to find the character you're looking for
< 1522511497 559435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The rules work; I didn't say they don't work. I said it doesn't make as much sense as using different phrasing
< 1522511507 339274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: OK, that edit is probably excessively vindictive
< 1522511516 787512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also have prefer that if you can cast a card only if you control a legendary creature or planeswalker, to be a keyword ability. (That card can still be legendary as well though)
< 1522511523 189003 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it is
< 1522511529 396865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to revert  it
< 1522511542 794383 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok. you're an admin, you have to be responsible
< 1522511545 234371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you give me a good reason not to
> 1522511567 370729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54632&oldid=54631 5* 03B jonas 5* (-1) 10
< 1522511574 30476 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now you don't have to
< 1522511591 797317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did but your edit went through first
< 1522511599 235363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no-op edits don't leave a history or recent changes entry 
< 1522511607 556051 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will the Essies/ Esolang comptetion come back?
< 1522511614 327037 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've had enough after the transclusion thing https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ais523&diff=54593&oldid=53383
< 1522511681 680154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: it was hard enough to get entries / judges the first time
< 1522511706 203182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then when CALESYTA disappeared without trace mid-contest, it didn't bode well for the future of esolang competitions
< 1522511714 34360 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I hadnt thought of that side...
< 1522511718 371713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone does want to run one I'd be willing to judge (and/or participate if the deadline is long enough)
< 1522511730 36282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't be confident in the competition actually succeeding
< 1522511743 652588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least some of the CALESYTA esolangs got posted to the wiki
< 1522511747 294764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some good came of it
< 1522511752 733357 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: if you want to make an esolang, you can just make one without a contest, or make one and make a presentation of it for SigBovik (there was one about Wikiplia)
< 1522511769 668259 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some contests on StackExchange did succeed though
< 1522511782 313078 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SigBovik? I have to go to USA for it!
< 1522511796 303876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZM: I hate Stack Exchange so much (the platform)
< 1522511801 559305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPCG has a great community
< 1522511808 433360 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Me too
< 1522511809 977175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually using the software that powers it leaves me so depressed
< 1522511819 859723 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I meant PPCG
< 1522511836 354968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the voting is completely broken, for example
< 1522511839 515334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing about "any target" is that it is different than the normal specification of "target [specification of what it targets]". If for some reason I did want to make an abbreviation for "target player, object, or zone", I would probably write "target anything".
< 1522511842 243237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's demoralising to see good entries end up behind bad ones
< 1522511864 764694 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a better Idea to change CALESYTA's tense from is to was?
< 1522511890 539446 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: no.
< 1522511910 64533 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1522511941 998794 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh,it wasnt officialy discharged. My mistake, sorry
< 1522511954 764488 :ISS!jISS@179.181.136.181 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1522511979 633576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just dropped off the internet
< 1522511984 901396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time after the submissions were made
> 1522512109 969056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54633&oldid=54496 5* 03B jonas 5* (+8) 10and your father smelt of elderberries
< 1522512110 42042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⧺
< 1522512114 708778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1522512136 156100 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1522512137 108330 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://unicode.scarfboy.com/?s=%E2%A7%BA
> 1522512148 349872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54634&oldid=54627 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-334) 10but it's unethical
< 1522512180 560904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, can we ban that person already, please
< 1522512201 691395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is beyond silly... that particular edit has now gone through three reverts.
< 1522512201 793690 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh...*Dramatic music*
< 1522512202 74252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see a plausible argument for claiming that ^ is a more ethical way of indicating superscripts than 
< 1522512214 346195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "font designers" argument is ridiculous but at least has some internal logic to it
> 1522512230 99640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54635&oldid=54634 5* 03B jonas 5* (+334) 10
> 1522512236 855120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54636&oldid=54628 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-27) 10Undo revision 54628 by [[Special:Contributions/B jonas|B jonas]] ([[User talk:B jonas|talk]])
< 1522512237 821865 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE NEED A ESSAY ABOUT SUPERSCRIPTS VS. ^ AND A VOTE
< 1522512258 247534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, use of ^ will work with copying ASCII text, but Lynx will automatically do that when a  command is encountered, so you do not need to do it by yourself
< 1522512273 160473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see arguments for "better" in various senses
< 1522512275 454372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "more ethical"?
< 1522512278 873474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I want to revert with message "grow up" )
< 1522512289 726260 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( But that would be childish... )
> 1522512298 495924 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54637&oldid=54622 5* 03B jonas 5* (+6) 10
< 1522512304 447901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he gets reverted by four different people in 24 hours
< 1522512308 933768 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no............................
< 1522512310 216432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reverts back each time
> 1522512310 515342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54638&oldid=54630 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+29) 10allow people to see all turing complete languages with a wiki page, in one category. subsetting is better than splitting in this case
< 1522512316 62860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hits a hard limit for legal reverting
> 1522512368 591539 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hq9++fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54639&oldid=54632 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+4) 10link to [[HQ9++]]; and don't edit my page, it's mine!
< 1522512369 956312 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9++ is against Be bold in editing!
< 1522512389 895329 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
> 1522512395 696125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54640&oldid=54635 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-334) 10fix bot edit
< 1522512413 359354 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude...
< 1522512440 122104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's four reverts (or effective reverts) in 24 hours on the same page, isn't it?
> 1522512445 938207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54641&oldid=54637 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-11) 10Undo revision 54637 by [[Special:Contributions/B jonas|B jonas]] ([[User talk:B jonas|talk]])
< 1522512449 535236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of different users, no less
> 1522512458 498545 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54642&oldid=54640 5* 03B jonas 5* (+334) 10
< 1522512466 162595 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tension grows*
< 1522512481 471616 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope my pages wont be hit...
< 1522512494 153117 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: IIRC they were already hit
> 1522512501 343088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54643&oldid=54633 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-10) 10fix
< 1522512514 670181 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: also it's not *your* pages. it's a wiki. the pages are owned collectively by everyone
> 1522512516 932339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10blocked [[02User:Hq9++fan10]] with an expiration time of 1 day and 7 hours (account creation disabled): more than 3 reverts on the same page ([[Bitwise Cyclic Tag]]), of different users, in 24 hours; please don't edit war with people
< 1522512529 252265 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I mean what i made... Sorry...
< 1522512538 944813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I should probably have turned the autoblocker on too
< 1522512553 951402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, it is on
< 1522512561 369240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the edit summary doesn't say that
< 1522512564 594830 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this was with underscores and carets
< 1522512574 109181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: effective reverts still count as reverts
< 1522512585 306570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be an 100% exact revert (people game the system like that far too often)
< 1522512595 342537 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I thought the autoblocker was for non-ascii stuff
< 1522512602 896242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: oh, I mean autoblocker as in
> 1522512611 495465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54644&oldid=54643 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+10) 10Fix capitalization, punctuation, superscripts, and ASCII
< 1522512614 176679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Hq9++fan tries to create or use a new account, ,that gets banned too
< 1522512632 802639 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he goes to the library?
< 1522512637 321210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 1 day and 7 hours a good time frame?
< 1522512653 164775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :singingbanana: you can't protect against everything
< 1522512663 393328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's one of the standard block lengths
< 1522512674 393397 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais53: True. 
< 1522512675 151254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and revert-warring bans are never indefinite without more discussion between admins
< 1522512702 362082 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering whether any admin will be around when it expires...
< 1522512719 53653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ℒ ‎ (it is kind-of fake because small capitals were used as subscripts, but at least the font designer can customize them, unlike the actual fake superscripts and subscripts, which the font designer has no control over.)"
< 1522512731 249458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we can change the length of an existing block
< 1522512737 152908 :ISS!jISS@179.181.136.181 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522512746 626800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed that Hq9++fan knew they weren't even subscript characters and used them anyway!
< 1522512753 578766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's got to be outright trolling at this point
> 1522512762 268349 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54645&oldid=54636 5* 03B jonas 5* (+27) 10
< 1522512766 257601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a font designer wouldn't design them to look good among subscript characters as it's a different character set
< 1522512775 182627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1522512782 841726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only did they change a shorter dash to a improper longer one, but also messed up the capitalizaion
< 1522512787 370629 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sadly I don't think it's trolling
< 1522512820 581934 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It aggravated intentionally.
< 1522512828 263340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode had no business adding superscript and subscript characters... though I guess the harm was already done with ISO 8859-1, and probably even earlier.
< 1522512840 586276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1522512851 887057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x²
< 1522512858 742161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2
< 1522512863 658675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked it up (because it's important to be informed in this sort of argument)
< 1522512866 885832 :ZM!2eb76708@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.183.103.8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522512870 739339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intention was to make it possible to write mathematical formulas
< 1522512902 654603 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure it has. even real typewriters has superscript 2, mostly because of classified ads for apartments with area 40 m**2. we have to encode those somehow.
< 1522512905 407103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode doesn't need superscripts/subscripts, although some character sets do need a few
< 1522512935 149211 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean you have to try to encode all superscripts in formulas with tem.
< 1522512937 284943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the typewriters I'm used to, you superscripted a 2 by scrolling the page and writing the 2 on a different place
< 1522512945 910018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe some newer ones have a physical ² key
< 1522512956 17703 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it depends on which typewriter. I'm quite sure some do have a true superscript 2.
< 1522512979 459441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Well my problem is that Unicode has a strange way of avoiding most, but not all, markup. I don't know what the general rule they're following is, if there is one.
< 1522512980 498101 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also some had these 1/2 and 1/4 fractions
< 1522512989 727184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was more common
< 1522512991 847719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :½ ¼
< 1522513027 36358 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even put those in five-bit telex codes with space for only 60 characters or so
< 1522513028 924839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC character set has a superscript 2, as well as some fractions, but that is for the screen layout; for printing you should use the proper typesetting commands to form superscript instead of using special superscript characters.
< 1522513030 701182 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so ridiculous
< 1522513037 526133 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had some use in finance or something
< 1522513049 103269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think Baudot might have a ½?
< 1522513066 82901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly I don't mind because I can avoid using the parts of Unicode that I dislike, most of the time. And sub- and superscripts are harmless compared to the colorful pictorgrams they've added in the past couple of years.
< 1522513071 224803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1522513072 749900 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: baudot had like fifty variants depending on the nation and organization. and yes, some of them had
< 1522513078 415387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the US-TTY or C-INTERCAL version
< 1522513086 701172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CLC-INTERCAL
< 1522513088 18405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really can't spell today.
< 1522513092 134788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's believable that some other version has it
< 1522513182 668041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked, and UK Baudot has a "1/" character.
< 1522513206 203577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The modern international version doesn't)
< 1522513269 216160 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Apple3.14&diff=54641&oldid=54637
< 1522513304 600800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we put the comment back how it was?
< 1522513310 321063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that is pretty funny
< 1522513322 231235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should respect the author's phrasing for things like talk page comments
< 1522513333 964138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's a really good reason to change it (e.g. broken file link)
< 1522513366 89206 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure
> 1522513386 678937 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Apple3.1414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54646&oldid=54641 5* 03B jonas 5* (+11) 10
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> 1522513424 749617 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ZTOALC L14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54647&oldid=54585 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+293) 10
< 1522513472 576238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting computational class hypothesis
< 1522513478 459275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's wrong, but it'd surprise me if it were right
> 1522513513 675865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ZTOALC L14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54648&oldid=54647 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (-294) 10
< 1522513521 501395 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're right, the 1/2 and 1/4 and 3/4 are more frequent than the superscript 2
< 1522513544 39448 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now looking through photos of typewriters to find one with a superscript 2
< 1522513550 835294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On typewriters I have seen, I see the fractions more commonly than the superscript 2, also
< 1522513556 196614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many typewriters didn't have a 0 or 1 key
< 1522513564 32162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because O and I were considered sufficiently similar
< 1522513589 112013 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this one has superscript 2 and 3 => https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Oliveti_MicroPlus.jpg
< 1522513599 255560 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it was O and l
< 1522513622 581388 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes people used o and l instead, when the rest of digits were old style jumpy
< 1522513651 476261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: lowercase digits
< 1522513652 81925 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has fractions by the way => https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mesin_Taip.jpg
< 1522513804 322230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe it was an attempt at inviting a TC proof :P
< 1522513826 108773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few languages which are obviously primitive recursive
< 1522513838 573403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a surprising computational class to see in cases when it's not obvious
< 1522513861 628796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders how powerful a total language it's possible to make, you can do better than primitive recursive

< 1522513885 68169 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one looks very much Turing-complete, though working out arbitrary enough control flow will probably be messy.
< 1522513889 945993 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, it's rare. I suspect that one variant of Amycus with some rules removed might be exactly as powerful, but it probably actually isn't.
< 1522513890 252652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I guess you'd get pretty close using a primitive-recursive-like language that supported ordinals
< 1522513916 452136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…come to think of it, that's pretty close to an old language idea of mine
< 1522513925 546506 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's language (0)
< 1522513930 539757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was called ACK, and had the Ackermann function as its only arithmetic operation
< 1522513936 644993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all the commands were control codes
< 1522513949 147147 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1522513968 398602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it had a hierarchy of types of variable, you could destroy one to make arbitrarily many variables of a lesser type
< 1522513968 577991 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it is
< 1522513980 168420 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0) restricted to any suitable ordinal is still total
< 1522514011 640905 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you restrict it to omega, then it describes exactly the primitive recursive functions
< 1522514024 914712 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a possible generalization of primitive recursive programs to a larger total class
< 1522514173 897026 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that like a meta-djinn?
< 1522514182 769523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a modern computerized typerwriter with a RS-232 port and telephone line, and you can remove the typefaces to put difference ones if you wish; the included one can be Courier with ASCII (I have read that the post office will scan it better if you use Courier with all uppercase)
< 1522514184 16188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, I forget what a meta-djinn is
< 1522514204 342037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can (0) calculate the TREE function?
< 1522514304 582877 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a djinn gives you a wish (or three wishes, depending on the variant of the legend, but that's irrelevant). you can wish for almost anything, but you can't wish for more wishes, or for anything related to wishing or wish-granting djinns or wish-granting rings or similar. a meta-djinn gives you a meta-wish. you can meta-wish for wishes, but y
< 1522514304 582962 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou can't meta-wish for meta-wishes. there's a whole hierarchy of meta**kappa wishes for any ordinal kappa.
< 1522514320 97 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1522514321 465695 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept was invented by Hofstadter in his book
< 1522514332 527921 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Gödel Escher Bach one
< 1522514333 855418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, basically just "given an ordinal, produce a smaller ordinal"
< 1522514347 326385 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the TREE function?
< 1522514381 584943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's a function that grows really really fast
< 1522514383 199468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see…
< 1522514391 201992 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: stuff about the post office depends on the country and the age
< 1522514397 733876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the idea is that you have an inclusion among trees for whether one is included within another
< 1522514418 328873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what operation it is exactly that you use for inclusions but it's something like shrinking an edge
< 1522514425 117605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, each vertex of the tree is colored
< 1522514448 544965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aim is to find the longest sequence of trees you can, using a given number of colors
< 1522514454 696912 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads to stupid order forms trying to apply the US post's conventions to all international mail
< 1522514461 708592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that no tree in the sequence is included within an earlier tree
< 1522514485 299375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a limit on how many vertices you can start with
< 1522514524 84595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, the rule is that the nth element of the sequence can't have more than n vertices
< 1522514528 273365 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a limit for the number of vertices and the number of colors, then isn't that all primitive recursive and you need only a few levels of exponentiality?
< 1522514534 499814 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's different
< 1522514567 562127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it turns out that you can't make an infinite sequence this way
< 1522514581 155510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a given number of colors, the sequence can be really really long even if the number is quite small
< 1522514620 453245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even TREE(3) is so large that it's hard to explain just how large it is (Graham's number is pretty much incomparably smaller)
< 1522514684 592743 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok
< 1522514776 364239 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a link with a precise definition?
< 1522514800 485112 :ISS!jISS@179.181.136.181 QUIT :
< 1522514838 219313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there's one on Wikia but I don't like linking to it
< 1522514850 768524 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e0db:9396:20b1:41ac QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1522514864 914650 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you speak Hittite fluently?
< 1522514865 260076 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: or " god saw the light of jesus, do you like? atlanta, of course, alice is lazy, by the way)
< 1522514871 971308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here we go, there's one on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruskal%27s_tree_theorem
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< 1522515246 585892 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (1000000000)S
< 1522515246 678298 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000000000
< 1522515260 469237 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^b ++
< 1522515268 882165 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++>++
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< 1522515378 28770 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1522515378 123029 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1522515403 946432 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (
< 1522515404 46811 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...unterminated (!
< 1522515433 335826 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul)
< 1522515458 477564 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ())
< 1522515458 511734 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1522515483 48365 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ins?
< 1522515483 445232 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZM: itunes/ 4.8 ( macintosh; n; ppc) and at work one day and check how much data are we talking about
< 1522515493 572433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZM: instruction?
< 1522515493 826687 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, insn?
< 1522515493 951575 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZM: i don't even know
< 1522515494 883205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZM: it's an abbreviation for "instruction"
< 1522515510 360297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote fugue
< 1522515511 124253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: Welcome to #haskell, where your questions are answered in contrapuntal fugues.
< 1522515512 637250 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1522515541 870457 :ZM!59cc894f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.204.137.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1522515726 642957 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e4cb:2941:9d8d:ecb JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1522516121 477154 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really? I've asked questions on #haskell and never noticed that form of an answer
< 1522516161 995930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably only happened once
< 1522516170 115048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be enough to create the quote
< 1522516269 519981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke on the old overused #haskell quote, "where your questions are answered in majestic stereo"
< 1522516304 705203 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sounds more appropriate
< 1522516355 812091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1522516368 502922 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in English, "prose" means a text that's not in verse form, "prosody" means studying verse form. the two worse are etymologically unrelated, they just got smashed up because English distorts words unrecognizably.
< 1522516491 480473 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1522516644 201494 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A -> input; B > A + 1, C -> Output. What does this output?
< 1522516673 26533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language?
< 1522516694 191182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you sure that the punctuation and case is correct?
< 1522516702 894808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me a bit of Prolog but it isn't
< 1522516715 471850 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just polling! Its not a real language(yet)
< 1522516805 175801 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This system must output a value. A = input, so It cant directly be equal to output. So B is output. This is the axiom of my April Fools language
< 1522516829 535462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't C the output?
< 1522516916 420620 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha!! Axiom 2) Everything is a variable. What is C? This is a deduction-based system/presumption-based system. (TM of Singingbanana industries)
< 1522517236 876619 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Aka Alfie)
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< 1522517567 968276 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I wonder about the sci-fi premise where there's a magical replicator machine with two chambers, and on the push of a button it replaces the contents of one chamber with another, but it's balanced, there's an equal probability of copying one way or another, independent of prior events.
< 1522517595 58199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1522517597 570248 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't balanced, then you could use such a machine for a lot of useful purposes
< 1522517619 651246 :singingbanana!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522517628 165654 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting rid of all material waste objects you don't need, copying useful material objects, getting unlimited energy and all that
< 1522517646 625648 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's balanced, it's much harder to find good uses for it
< 1522517697 306715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but there can be a few, possibly
< 1522517779 401437 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assume in this sci-fi setting it is a physical conservation law that it must be balanced, so if you get the plans of the machine and understand them, you can still only build new replicators that are balanced
< 1522517787 326976 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just a cruel joke by the inventor
< 1522517854 170588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly in the alternate universe it goes in the other direction, and there is no way to predict it, nor to determine the point of correspondence, which may change.
> 1522517903 197808 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing number14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54649&oldid=54475 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (-47) 10
< 1522517910 483506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe you want to ensure both dice, if biased at all, are biased in the same way.)
< 1522518115 176475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it'd be good if you had a set of distinct objects and wanted two identical, but didn't care which
< 1522518128 37032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is the example I gave with the dice
< 1522518136 387612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, things like replicating password keys
< 1522518142 111456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're worthless unless you share them with someone else
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< 1522518181 584171 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, or making a set of standard weights, or identical screws and bolts. but even that you can only do if you determine the number of objects you need in advance and create that many. you can fix the standard later once you distribute the weights.
< 1522518202 725038 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522518248 939969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a further restriction where both sides must initially have equal mass or the machine will explode. That would be another variant of the story.
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< 1522520104 968002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your opinion of some of the new ideas I made up for new Magic: the Gathering cards? Such as: Protection from players having at least one card in their hand. And, the other one: Protection from cards.
< 1522520184 683124 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think protection from any subset of players currently has no effect (except possibly in silver-bordered land) so it's a useless ability
< 1522520200 188516 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :players can't attack or be attached, and they can't have abilities with targets.
< 1522520213 671 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also can't deal damage
< 1522520218 535876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But protection from players extends to protection from stuff they control, isn't it?
< 1522520233 850360 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know
< 1522520267 860870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 702.16j
< 1522520359 320979 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. is that new?
< 1522520364 986662 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what card has such an ability printed?
< 1522520385 730790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is new, and I don't know what card has such an ability printed
< 1522520401 25050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not sure why I abbreviated it as "insn" (there's enough whitespace around for a longer string) but "instruction" is what it's short for.
< 1522520460 401878 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name True-Name Nemesis
< 1522520470 828888 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a commander set. no wonder I didn't recognize that
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< 1522521044 367039 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Taneb invent electric toothbrushes? camel-hair brushes?
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< 1522521088 297264 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable011.156-175-137.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellob_jonas. camel hair???
< 1522521161 253333 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel-hair_brush
< 1522521184 371902 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A camel-hair brush is a type of paintbrush with soft bristles made from natural hairs, usually squirrel."
< 1522521209 939885 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable011.156-175-137.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. I thought it was camel hair toothbrushes...
< 1522521227 787516 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. toothbrushes are made of plastic.
< 1522521241 278425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A creature card could be made that has protection from cards, and also an ability that opponent creates tokens, like Hunted Horror has.
< 1522521292 287267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That way, it can be blocked.)
< 1522523084 22943 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent disco?
< 1522523436 74825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, did you invent disco?
< 1522523528 397800 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent that pole firemen slide down in the station? Did Taneb invent that statement about the asymptotic maximal density of graphs excluding a certain non-bipartite graph as a subgraph?
< 1522523570 857898 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent video console controllers with two analog sticks? Did Taneb invent waffles?
< 1522523657 12989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Taneb invented a lot of stuff then I think it is going to be long if you are going to list everything. However, it does sometimes different people invent the same thing independently, especially in mathematics it seem to me.
< 1522523722 245904 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent the "B" exposure mode on cameras, where the curtain is open for as long as you hold down the button? Did Taneb invent that mechanism in IKEA shells that slows them down when you close them, but doesn't slow them down at all when you open them?
< 1522524002 23422 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent that code in DOS where if you only have one floppy drive, it emulates two logical floppy drives by asking the user to put in the other disk whenever a program accesses the other drive? Did Taneb invent those stupid fenced areas in parks supposedly for dogs that are too small and muddy for a dog to do anything in it?
< 1522524074 239122 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fdxvbszvahouwhov QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1522524276 767338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written now how I defined the working of the string pool in RogueVM? If you have some complaints then I can adjust it.
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< 1522525513 350680 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? One of the sigbovik articles claim that "Computers can vastly exceed human performance in a large and growing number of tasks, ranging from navigation to protein folding." Is that true? I thought human cells folded proteins faster than computers can, at least if you allow parallelism.
< 1522525554 136468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it contains an error then write to them about it.
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< 1522525982 218890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think wob_jonas is hinting at the fact that most computers cannot fold any proteins at all.
< 1522526042 416438 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can fold proteins, but are very slow in that.
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< 1522526165 172358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I was wrong then. In which case I would like to point out that those aren't actual proteins.
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< 1522528907 309868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: helloily
< 1522528924 121642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my volunteer app was accepted
< 1522528983 833106 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o ( in which store... ah never mind )
< 1522529094 352433 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck has been featured on esolangs.org for a little too long lol
< 1522529633 771532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1522529659 566376 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: we've talked about that a few weeks ago in chat.
< 1522529752 884528 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to feature a language on the wiki. lots of work and conflicts of interest.
< 1522529823 649438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard is it to just remove that featured language box entirely?
< 1522529855 336799 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that would make the homepage look unbalanced
< 1522530029 392848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something else that could be put there?
< 1522530110 736634 :wob_jonas!b03f18d7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could feature the latest eso-programming competition, like Calesyta, IOCCC, or the Underhanded C contest. sadly those are very rare. Or we could feature golf problems or something. I dunno.
< 1522530278 146350 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1522530390 367831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps just label it as "Nothing here currently" if there is nothing here currently, and add the competiions and whatever else may be when there is one.
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< 1522531150 536302 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahis523!
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< 1522535576 690094 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable011.156-175-137.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1522535787 362849 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable011.156-175-137.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot`: why so grave?
< 1522535787 496721 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: stop. you
< 1522535799 984538 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable011.156-175-137.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION *THWACKS* fungot`

< 1522535800 117859 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but you could double name them.
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< 1522536093 318179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball To be or not to be?
< 1522536093 430708 :fungot`!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1522539093 226406 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable011.156-175-137.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsϿirjan.
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< 1522539390 452345 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily.
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