< 1523751481 479427 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1523751863 684530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Stillwwater 5* 10New user account < 1523752050 888080 :stillww!9a14c050@gateway/web/freenode/ip.154.20.192.80 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523752074 63914 :stillww!9a14c050@gateway/web/freenode/ip.154.20.192.80 QUIT :Client Quit < 1523753101 297141 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the water is still still < 1523754326 653724 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523754607 728905 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1523754846 230707 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-5-196-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523756115 23933 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523756441 368183 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523756750 345978 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1523756937 312418 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-5-196-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1523759686 285901 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523759961 258581 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1523760533 305198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a game with *.py and *.pyc files. If I modify it, is it necessary to do anything about the *.pyc files and if so what? < 1523761797 305928 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1523761891 221676 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523762229 104662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1523762231 400225 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:supercalifragilisticexponential growth//Supercalifragilisticexponential growth leaves Graham's number in the dust. \ rdf//RDF is something zzo38 knows about. \ wtf//WTF means Welcome To Finland. \ wisdoom//Wisdoom is realizing just too late how you could have avoided your demise. \ schwa//To schwa is to reduce one or more vowels in a word. Example: "He usually pronounces the names of Indian dishes well, except he always schwas 'Tikka'." < 1523762296 630043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think Python will check the timestamp on the .py and .pyc file and recompile it if necessary. < 1523762395 165344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Well, it worked < 1523762458 827610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it did not regenerate the .pyc files; that may be due to a permission error though.) < 1523762503 858622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the file is not updated, although the modifications are working < 1523762794 799989 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1523762918 732921 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523763039 588041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added into "angrydd" the "vs yourself game". I don't know if I did the "proper" way that should be done in a Python programming, although it does work. Rather I put a variable in the event manager, when "vs yourself game" menu is selected it is the same like "dwarf vs dwarf" game but before the game is started sets the variable so any game key will cause both players events. < 1523763228 709546 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1523763479 39078 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1523763515 13702 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523763625 820122 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( angrydd the furious welsh ) < 1523763635 230461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who has more than forty eyes? I have made up some character in a role playing game with varying number of eyes, but so far not more than ten, and my current GURPS character has only five eyes anyways. < 1523763648 101476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, is that what it means? I thought it means "Angry Drunk Dwarf" < 1523763692 606409 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pun on the welsh name dafydd hth < 1523763756 328703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1523763788 993605 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1523765041 997846 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523765272 903546 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1523765309 356666 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523765595 333391 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1523766269 997590 :Guest12618!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523767577 759894 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1523768395 487462 :MoonyTheDwarf!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moonmoon < 1523768404 189963 :moonmoon!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony < 1523769036 366158 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523769384 704635 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523769582 482625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make a interactive Turing machine in Magic: the Gathering that will work if both players are assumed to make the optimal play to try to win (or draw if you can't win)? < 1523769657 693227 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1523771388 701419 :Guest12618!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1523774026 302771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Generally in such a case I mean where the strategy isn't obvious; you may need to prove it based on the Turing machine being implemented too) < 1523774779 354923 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1523775215 30681 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523776176 76557 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1523778730 738793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Muddle++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54819 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+512) 10Created page with "Muddle++ is version of [[Muddle]] which looks even more weird! It manages to add a second tape, which reads from the first tape, and then pushes itself to the main tape. Don't..." < 1523779022 326269 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1523782103 327105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54820&oldid=54765 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+0) 10 > 1523782142 338894 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54821&oldid=54820 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+0) 10/* Interface */ > 1523782189 218543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54822&oldid=54821 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (-147) 10/* Syntax */ > 1523782233 658423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54823&oldid=54822 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+19) 10/* Features */ > 1523782347 500748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54824&oldid=54823 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+82) 10/* Interface */ < 1523782363 15497 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1523782365 971521 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54825&oldid=54824 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (-2) 10/* Features */ > 1523782416 373391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54826&oldid=54825 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+2) 10/* Features */ < 1523782618 996945 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1523782715 530056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored--14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54827 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+2349) 10Created page with "'''AmBored--''' is an esoteric language written by [[User:Is this the Krusty Krab|Is this the Krusty Krab]]. It is a [[Brainfuck]] derivative written in C++ which adds more co..." > 1523782740 887286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54828&oldid=54827 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (-79) 10/* Syntax */ > 1523782926 389730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored++14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54829 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+3210) 10Created page with "'''AmBored++''' is an esoteric language written by [[User:Is this the Krusty Krab|Is this the Krusty Krab]]. It is a [[Brainfuck]] derivative written in C++ which adds more co..." > 1523782947 294733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54830&oldid=54829 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+14) 10/* Syntax */ > 1523783000 922525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54831&oldid=54828 5* 03Is this the Krusty Krab 5* (+3) 10/* Syntax */ < 1523784129 686043 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1523791472 285604 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1523794269 194929 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1523794345 998321 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523798316 679989 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1523798477 689132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Takeover14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54832 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+1020) 10Created page with "On examining the CAT section again, I notice a couple of things. # A correct CAT would take input, remove the trailing EOF and print the result. My version of CAT didn't remov..." < 1523798509 547047 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1523798922 226897 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523799001 667992 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1523799049 13780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Takeover14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54833&oldid=54832 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+69) 10Forgot to add my name. < 1523799482 191339 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-npdxcgrjmzbwajwf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1523801068 836090 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1523801156 701975 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1523804405 341606 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1523805357 683478 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1523805479 800025 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1523805645 276733 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1523806662 175771 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523807364 45765 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1523807452 221342 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1523807462 683803 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523807761 663930 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523808108 855731 :impomatic!~digital_w@host86-190-54-129.range86-190.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1523808457 907178 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Turnstiles Turing-complete? < 1523808675 422248 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not... < 1523808794 490674 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball < 1523808795 292150 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is decidedly so. < 1523808799 867626 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1523808895 480737 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1523808931 370239 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523809602 270751 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1523809823 44569 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523809831 752919 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1523810224 402441 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1523811511 346230 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523811652 879096 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqqieuqddiajgrhp JOIN :#esoteric < 1523812216 667223 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1523812223 866750 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1523812463 236360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03LF337 5* 10New user account < 1523813166 50268 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523813294 661778 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you know ais's new proof about M:tG being turing complete, with the waterfall model emulation? I think ais523 said it can probably made interactive (from the point of the game, or nondeterministic from the point of the machine) such that a player can give inputs to the machine, and you don't even need to rely on the players playing optimally < 1523813294 661828 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1523813473 170906 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1523813781 676053 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1523813782 227246 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :94) alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia < 1523813786 945578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wrong: hotel wifi uses 1.1.1.1 as their internal/private sign-in/info/etc. page. < 1523813822 229454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloudflare has their public recursive DNS server at the real 1.1.1.1 these days. < 1523813865 396488 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's a "recursive DNS server"? < 1523813942 221610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that queries other DNS server. The sort you can point a user at, that ISPs run. < 1523813979 27653 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1523813993 197480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to one that just answers queries about a single domain it's authoritative for. < 1523814010 265651 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that's a stupid setup by the hotel. Why don't they just use an address in the ranges reserved for local use? < 1523814028 676277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the relevant bit in the DNS protocol is called "recursion enabled". < 1523814088 280004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IP they gave to my device is a 10.x.y.z one. < 1523814138 869680 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fine if they NAT it < 1523814169 543148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I just mean clearly they know about the actual private ranges too. < 1523814189 550827 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily. that might be a default setup for some equipment they bought or software they're using < 1523814215 621452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1.1.0/24 used to be "de-facto reserved", along with 1.2.3.0/24, just because so many people misappropriated it, or sent nonsense traffic to it. < 1523814292 88142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The login page says to type "http://1.1.1.1/info" if I close the login tab, so maybe it's just picked to be easy to remember. < 1523814354 546861 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could use a hostname provided by their local DNS for that, instead of an IP address > 1523814575 651130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54834&oldid=54806 5* 03LF337 5* (+318) 10/* Introductions */ < 1523814697 312366 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1523816195 280638 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PL/MIX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54835&oldid=53802 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2) 10 > 1523817184 743699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lost14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54836&oldid=54803 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+898) 10 < 1523817327 124935 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1523817370 14963 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523817393 748803 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1523817846 802938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ases14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54837 5* 03LF337 5* (+1849) 10Create article < 1523818024 223264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wifi has their own password mechanism they don't need a webpage; especially is problem if you cannot access the webpage on your device. Use a separate paper for any agreement required (which then mentions the password) < 1523818044 367040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that way you won't lose it either) > 1523818072 383434 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54838&oldid=54815 5* 03LF337 5* (+56) 10/* A */ include Ases > 1523818176 557049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:LF33714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54839 5* 03LF337 5* (+89) 10Create my user page < 1523818209 206663 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523818606 246143 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1523818679 285732 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1523818955 539715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cookie Cutter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54840 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+5233) 10Created page with "Cookie Cutter is a two-dimensional analog programming language. A Cookie Cutter program, P, is a set of points in a two-dimensional plane, that is applied to the data, D, whi..." > 1523818963 196337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54841&oldid=54838 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+20) 10/* C */ < 1523819149 999637 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523819277 7306 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's your least favorite color? < 1523819277 182177 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ( i believe), which are the most common usage < 1523819284 353208 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's your least favourite colour? < 1523819284 717895 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: right. i'm partial to darcs. yay!)) in it. the plain tty interface to mzscheme is that its an interpreter... putting random characters in... < 1523819314 139664 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs and mzscheme are your least favourites? I can understand taht < 1523819419 345321 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1523819648 999765 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1523820914 898725 :augur!~augur@104-244-24-85.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1523821268 230138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ases14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54842&oldid=54837 5* 03LF337 5* (+76) 10Include information i've forgotten < 1523821752 713784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1523821752 942820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1523821752 976255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1523821863 829792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lost14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54843&oldid=54836 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+249) 10 < 1523826444 215674 :sleffy!~sleffy@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523826694 703299 :sprocklme!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1523826800 760654 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1523826937 232890 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1523827316 701354 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:571:d447:1612:404e JOIN :#esoteric < 1523827775 680213 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:571:d447:1612:404e QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1523827829 618711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best way to design stuff is the UNIX philosophy, which is that you have enough ropes to hang yourself, and also a few more just in case. This includes computer programs, and also other stuff. < 1523828470 741073 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1523828480 222394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1523828583 158359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of UNIX philosophy? I think it is good, at least. < 1523828693 717735 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually yes, but not the the extreme. In particular, I don't like how your farbfeld utilities don't give an error or warning message if the magic header of the input image is wrong, and don't even try to verify that the command-line arguments have an approximately correct syntax. < 1523828736 346426 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also don't like frameworks that try to do everything together. < 1523828741 606144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the converters do check that the header of the input image at least < 1523828781 720971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, of course, these program are public domain; if you don't like it, you are free to modify it. You can also make suggestions of course; some I might use but some I might not use) < 1523828809 976520 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and at least you've fixed them so they at least don't run into undefined behavior when the command-line arguments are incorrect. I appreciate that. < 1523828834 808381 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for image handling, I've installed gimp 2.10. That branch is at release candidate status. < 1523828855 701576 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a long awaited branch that has a lot of useful new features that 2.8 is not capable of. < 1523828911 934496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, although nothing means you are not allowed to have more than one program for image handling (although in some cases they do not work well together; I tried to write a specification to allow it to be fixed) < 1523828931 47487 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, it handles various color depths for true color, whereas 2.8 can only work with 8 bit depth per color channel; various color profiles; has better previews for transform tools; and has a very new handle transform tool which will be particularly useful for me. < 1523828956 5165 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: certainly, I have lots of programs for image handling. just look at http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/bro . < 1523828998 903150 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp, Krita, ImageMagick, G'MIC, Darktable, Gwenview, ffmpeg, exiftool, and more. < 1523829013 841562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good if now they support 16-bit colours; I have seen a plugin for GIMP to use Farbfeld, although it only supports 8-bits-per-channels and can only use files and not pipes. < 1523829042 169040 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it supports 16 bit per channel depth too < 1523829045 348754 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1523829153 68634 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the five options (in gimp) for true color depth are 8 bit integer, 16 bit integer, 32 bit integer, 16 bit float, 32 bit float < 1523829179 517953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have what is needed I suppose < 1523829251 267068 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1523829314 165714 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not today, but I'll definitely use the handle transform to try to align and make composites from some of my photos. The awkward interface of the affine and perspective transforms in gimp 2.8 made that too hard, so it will hopefully be much easier. < 1523829375 307280 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now I have some photos to share that don't need such tricky editing. < 1523829477 523730 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1523829531 701936 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:986f:238b:f038:b493 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523829763 830596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use the ff-xwin program I wrote myself to view pictures now < 1523829789 571834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still have ImageMagick installed, but don't need it much now that I have Farbfeld Utilities) < 1523830349 682351 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:472:986f:238b:f038:b493 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1523830890 431081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the programs you list, I use < 1523831023 330151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, Apache, Fossil, SQLite, and 7-Zip (I use the command-line 7-Zip though), and Swiss Ephemeris (I have used this to determine when the eclipse was; I also wrote a interface to use Swiss Ephemeris with JavaScript codes) < 1523831075 293552 :augur!~augur@104-244-24-85.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1523831193 204014 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think you were the one that pointed me to swiss ephemeris < 1523831206 348177 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1523831369 925656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe that is < 1523831419 685224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some things it does not do, such as figuring what time it is on other planets, but it does most things it needs to do. < 1523831457 705101 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-118-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1523832014 339282 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1523832032 335508 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523832079 76397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they add Free Hero Mesh into the Debian and Ubuntu package repositories once I write Free Hero Mesh? < 1523832130 480279 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you (or someone else) package it suitably to a deb so it can be built from source automatically on a stock debian system (with all dependencies already packaged) and submit it to them, then they probably can (for the next version) < 1523832161 505897 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also has to be licensed as free software to get included < 1523832324 344817 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1523832345 599678 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course ideally installing it shouldn't conflict with the functionality of the rest of the system < 1523832883 339889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game engine itself is licensed as free software (and so are its dependencies) < 1523832990 168402 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: basically everything in the source package and its dependencies, required to build from source and install, has to be licensed as free software to get in the main archives < 1523833047 426779 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eg. if you need a graphics pack to play the game, then that has to be licensed as freely distributable too < 1523833064 731092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only dependencies are SDL1 and SQLite (it also depends on smallxrm, although that is included with it). Some of the header files are auto-generated by JavaScript programs, so it helps to have Node.js installed if you want to alter those files. It does not affect the functionality of the rest of the system. < 1523833114 135242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not include a graphics pack; the graphics are not part of the game engine itself. Although, puzzle sets that are included with it should be made to be free software too, currently it does not include any. < 1523833155 614798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only graphics included in the program itself are the X cursor shapes and the PC ROM font < 1523833177 111684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully having those won't cause a problem. < 1523833202 726770 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1523833221 724482 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523833246 278978 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm laughing at this two-headed swan with a crown < 1523833264 405885 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523833329 987822 :sleffy!~sleffy@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1523833415 728017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people will contribute puzzles that are free software then they can be included with it too < 1523833505 403065 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1523833846 952528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Free Hero Mesh uses SQLite for two things: to store a user cache database, and to allow user-entered SQL statements to do stuff in the program. This program also uses sqlite3_mprintf() and some of those functions. The puzzle sets themself though have their own programming language, the Free Hero Mesh programming language.) < 1523834118 670654 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523834990 19511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably at first there will be no sounds and music either, but later versions might have those things. < 1523835129 480611 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1523835648 353437 :augur_!~augur@172.56.38.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523835683 717352 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1523835690 88825 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : they could use a hostname provided by their local DNS for that, instead of an IP address <-- but that would _also_ break for anyone who had set their DNS to 1.1.1.1 < 1523835745 178760 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not if the hotel used an IP address from the private use areas for their DNS < 1523835746 211044 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523835751 369265 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for their login server < 1523835759 318330 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that thing is < 1523835759 813640 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1523835770 474801 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, i mean if someone had 1.1.1.1 set on their laptop < 1523835773 109620 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the like < 1523835796 444631 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that be a problem? the hotel shouldn't use 1.1.1.1 at all < 1523835808 352997 :augur!~augur@45.34.140.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1523835827 499640 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: because if the user has that as DNS, they won't _see_ the hotel's local hostnames < 1523835841 420414 :wob_jonas!b03f18dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1523835871 12874 :augur__!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523835887 506863 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: the hotel could use 1.1.1.1 as their DNS :P < 1523835949 330095 :augur_!~augur@172.56.38.232 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1523836081 340102 :augur!~augur@45.34.140.45 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1523836460 423831 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@160-7-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1523836484 558770 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@160-7-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1523836514 825127 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@160-7-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric