< 1527294529 419225 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527294534 272817 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1527294588 688438 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527294785 450281 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds > 1527295293 848164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55345&oldid=55291 5* 03The Piper 5* (+62) 10/* Introductions */ > 1527295368 537733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55346&oldid=55345 5* 03The Piper 5* (+24) 10/* Introductions */ > 1527295414 242240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55347&oldid=55346 5* 03The Piper 5* (+2) 10/* Introductions */ > 1527295440 25614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LOLCODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55348&oldid=49194 5* 03The Piper 5* (+116) 10/* External resources */ < 1527297754 36848 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527298042 6045 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1527298535 479910 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1527298660 117194 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1527298660 252131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 47m 56s ago: bonsœøirjan. a little song: https://youtu.be/4vgcYBwyw28 < 1527298935 622601 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily. OKAY < 1527298984 363256 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xkcdwhatiflist 157 < 1527298985 89125 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcdwhatiflist 157: oerjan b_jonas Taneb < 1527299118 398390 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PROTECTED CHICKEN < 1527300982 332049 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527301240 410411 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1527302305 798445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Along and Across14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55349&oldid=55344 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10/* External Links */ Standard section name < 1527302825 506152 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1527303335 134065 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1527303550 787937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527304195 767808 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527304498 776319 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1527304736 830247 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527304904 918962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1527305834 416481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527305872 889747 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1527305891 838356 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527306125 455798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1527307421 58202 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527307689 884676 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1527309400 66445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I implement for/next loops in Free Hero Mesh? There are two things to consider which is what sequence of VM instructions to generate and how to execute those VM instructions. < 1527310644 227572 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527310912 252041 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1527311007 726961 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527311029 630796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1527313865 708646 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527314127 688458 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1527315043 425711 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1527316508 772831 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: SSL error < 1527316538 103123 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1527316728 237141 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527316973 443148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply reversing the direction of program flow in BackFlip does not reverse the program (due to how the mirrors are working). So, a variant might be to use rotators instead, or fixed mirrors, etc < 1527316987 291719 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1527317596 353355 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527317770 52336 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1527317885 385264 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527318215 283355 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can just flip all the mirrors when reversing, i think < 1527318292 138723 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1527318366 71300 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are standing on one, but then it's a bit confusing < 1527318427 477108 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1527318460 938430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just invented another language by reading about BackFlip < 1527318493 520945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a related but less minimalistic language, more like a rube goldberg language in ASCII. Will have to think about it some < 1527318668 948711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example -, and | are electrical wires that connect various devices. Similarly ~ is a string that can be pulled (not sure what the vertical version of that would be). "(" would be used for wire crossing < 1527318741 921533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric := would be some kind of detector for an object passing passing through it horizontally < 1527318779 550850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :o would be a wheel or bearing that a string could turn around, maybe? < 1527318779 858517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, but I meant without doing stuff like that. < 1527318803 64211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I wonder if a language like that already exists < 1527318867 24789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/RUBE kind of same paradigm, but not quite the same < 1527319452 170165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh came up with yet another language while reading a phrase from the REDGREEN description ("simulates a physical world"). What about square-tiled RPG-like world where actors have simple AIs (kill other faction, flip nearest switch, stuff like that), that does computation as the actors interact with the world < 1527319503 901428 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527319722 554397 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1527320089 104789 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1527321210 154972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should make the rube goldberg style language context sensitive, i.e. the same character can mean different things depending on if it is in a wire or in another context < 1527322064 265042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is an early draft for the language: https://gist.github.com/VorpalBlade/da11e5909eb0e379f6980f5a08a2567c < 1527322069 508104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea if it is TC or not < 1527322092 142028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could perhaps set up things such that they terminate/don't terminate < 1527322104 175350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: any input? < 1527322717 259141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could at least make decisions by pushing or pulling a mirror in/out of the path of a particle < 1527322845 454393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could add I/O by having 0 and 1 be particle targets that generate that digit when hit or something like that. As for input have a conditional particle source { generating 1 particle on any key press < 1527323128 441354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, happy with that as an optional I/O extension < 1527323137 374300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated the gist above < 1527323548 218709 :Elronnd_!elronnd@slashem.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1527323585 400856 :Elronnd!elronnd@slashem.me QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1527323995 150631 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1527324573 659787 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3065:1a21:e79c:6a81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527325644 89792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added some very basic code examples < 1527326472 923942 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inrhwtzqitswijaa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1527327832 730463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1527327832 850865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1527328322 18192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of the gdpr? < 1527328322 327647 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah i think they just want more and more at night by themselves so we they wanted his they wanted us to change our votes and noise get out of it < 1527328400 868872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if the GDPR means we'll get proper websites (plain HTML, no scripts) like https://text.npr.org/ then I'm all for it :) < 1527328654 997676 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is amazing heh < 1527328721 895285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: would you like to take a look at https://gist.github.com/VorpalBlade/da11e5909eb0e379f6980f5a08a2567c as a language draft. I'm looking for input to improve it. I have no what computational class it has for example. < 1527328742 601377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-trivial I think, but I'm not sure how to test it < 1527328757 11888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it on the wiki later when i decided on some of the TODO items < 1527328864 78607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in principle yes, but probably not this weekend, I'm wrestling with a couple of deadlines. < 1527328932 368541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I just emailed myself a reminder ;-) < 1527328974 357515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1527328991 472244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I won't start implementing it for a while at least < 1527329530 958875 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527329919 978119 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527332888 491794 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527334508 255833 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527334839 301601 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. Does @messages show mentions of your name or some other stuff? < 1527334855 218403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows messages explicitly sent by @tell or @ask. < 1527334865 178594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell arseniiv something useful < 1527334865 276804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1527335086 521400 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:3065:1a21:e79c:6a81 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1527335285 66813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hi! < 1527335305 729254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have time to take a look at this? https://gist.github.com/VorpalBlade/da11e5909eb0e379f6980f5a08a2567c < 1527335438 661719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add a reminder as well. ;) Just on my way out now. < 1527335455 535130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1527335460 573944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie to look at that < 1527335460 663223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1527335463 525231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1527336175 808025 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527336234 638587 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thank you, a nice mechanism, I’ll use it from now < 1527336235 264537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1527336347 358200 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (if you’re interested in my opinion also) this is an interesting thing, but I don’t quite understand the thing with strings < 1527336638 644479 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:ac49:d843:6c83:9314 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527336950 413884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ah, what bit don't you understand about them? It is like a physical string, being pulled between wheels, like thread on a sewing machine < 1527336965 278780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I'm interested in all feedbac < 1527336968 110600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :feedback* < 1527337011 957670 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is heavily abstracted < 1527337111 709314 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: at first I thought a wheel is used to rotate a string (as a pulley). Now I seem to understand a string is attached to it in a kind of a coil, right? < 1527337111 808919 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I suggest an extension in which there are boxes and conveyor belts moving them in various directions depending on from what side they are pulled or signaled (if from both sides, a conveyor will not move). Some boxes could be conducting. If a box is moved off the belt, it could hop to an adjacent belt, if there is one, or stay in place, if there’s no other belts nearby. Also there can be box stacks… I’ll expand this idea a bit later to a gist < 1527337151 608433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it does both really, depending on if it is at the end (with a motor) or if it is freestanding < 1527337176 849614 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: that sounds very similar to https://esolangs.org/wiki/RUBE < 1527337185 418661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the box and conveyor thing < 1527337235 842404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes a wheel is currently both a pully and something to coil up infinite thread on < 1527337251 256671 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this level of abstraction it doesn't make a difference I think < 1527337310 338761 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does both really, depending on if it is at the end (with a motor) or if it is freestanding => ah, got it. FTR I think more examples would be nice! < 1527337323 670357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, good idea < 1527337354 132800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I just realised that it should be called motor in English if it is electric, right? as opposed to engine which runs on fuel < 1527337367 159326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same word for both in Swedish < 1527337370 434800 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:ac49:d843:6c83:9314 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1527337455 655245 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea about crates is simplistic, I think it will have not much in common with RUBE < 1527337589 744580 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about “motor” in English: IDK, I’m not a native too, let’s hear from others < 1527337649 931293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I heard this at work (and I work on machines that can have either engines or motors) < 1527337699 34188 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :added another example at the end < 1527337982 355823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could maybe combine electrical and mechanical wire/strings, and be able to pull wires instead < 1527338018 176857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1527338179 785920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I added that as an extension < 1527338649 795704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I added support for listing in the file which extensions are needed < 1527338757 793665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: looking forward to seeing your ideas for conveyors as well < 1527338849 348163 :user24!~void@p20030088694F440039B75407ADADF4B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1527339437 929793 :user24!~void@p20030088694F440039B75407ADADF4B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1527339628 350008 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527339648 583591 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1527339887 709541 :Guest6451!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-99.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah < 1527341005 729612 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1527341020 93963 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost done < 1527341594 988820 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1527341838 306039 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527342012 301735 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1527342520 487609 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://gist.github.com/arseniiv/ee52c8c152e1cdec3e63f7820bf23b5d < 1527342542 21025 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope examples clear out what I had in mind :D < 1527342588 730869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hm ! conflicts with the letter I added for the directive to specify extensions required at the start of the file, but I could easily change that < 1527342683 522121 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, use any character < 1527342705 65498 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, interesting < 1527342721 107651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: indeed I'll use the any character by pressing the any key ;) < 1527342725 319653 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it’s sufficiently clear < 1527342734 568747 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I'll use the any character by pressing the any key ;) => *rofl* < 1527342769 861522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, but how do you plan to specify different types of boxes? < 1527342808 519017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a goal is that the language should be easy to type on a Swedish keyboard (which is why I use ¤, it is shift-4 for me) < 1527342836 379491 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of looks like a multi-phase motor to me < 1527343006 471507 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many letters still not in use, and even if it should look box-like. E. g. O, U, W, M, H are all kinda blocky < 1527343096 812582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't support a file starting with #! though, since I want to support unix style #!/path/to/interpreter < 1527343169 352597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe # should be changed into something else, too < 1527343187 8141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I'll use # for marking that as well as leading comments and directives. Should you need a # at the start of the line just move the entire program one space inwards < 1527343203 282608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes # can still be used in code, just not on the first line of the file < 1527343284 135117 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable! < 1527343425 938186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to suspect the language may be TC (even without your extension). I can come up with a way to represent memory for example. Not infinite random access memory, but something closer to the delay lines of yore < 1527343489 642527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there are issues injecting new data into it < 1527343510 92876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a semi-transparent mirror like object may be needed, not sure < 1527343597 134313 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could there be some voltage arithmetic? You showed how to divide by 5 < 1527343644 541068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that fixed division by 5 is the only possible way to reduce voltage < 1527343665 940893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure you can detect the magnitude to conditionally divide < 1527343668 152158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1527343690 633714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think you could < 1527343691 361616 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527343724 350251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a detector + some motors and strings to pull mirrors and such to take different paths depending on how much the mirror was pulled (or not) < 1527343765 118797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could at least determine the closest floored 5-volt multiple < 1527343792 770934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be a rather large program < 1527343844 337415 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527344321 249269 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527345083 949188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527345362 556013 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, tricky details! < 1527345612 624082 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I invented delay line memory for this anyway < 1527345641 613879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: added another example for that at the end < 1527345715 654351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm wondering about gates < 1527346041 586245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I figured out AND gate < 1527346132 319864 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527346188 61411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about NOT, OR or anything useful like NAND < 1527346206 696134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually or, if you don't care about output voltage is easy < 1527346219 269486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I do for my AND gate < 1527346340 140893 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW is Minecraft redstone trickery considered an esolang? < 1527346359 275375 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1527346429 267758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think it is too easy and smiliar to actual hardware logic circuits to be an esolang < 1527346447 762091 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1527346481 130625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the AND gate < 1527346507 434886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I don't know how to do NOT or OR < 1527346679 162341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you run on a clock you could break a connection then unbreak it as needed. Maybe < 1527346704 449922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And OR is trivial if you don't care about signal levels (which my AND gate does) < 1527346937 337411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should support ASCII currency symbol too, so that it can be used with ASCII < 1527346980 418358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In addition to the generic currency symbol, with the same meaning, I suppose) < 1527346987 461678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nope, not doing that < 1527346997 670368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I want to limit myself to ASCII < 1527347017 681039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it can be used on non-Swedish computers. < 1527347040 912286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be used by there is no good symbol for a motor on a US keyboard that I know of < 1527347045 481517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It could be an extension) < 1527347047 913487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ASCII has no generic currency symbol < 1527347079 262712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things are true < 1527347132 423840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something on altgr? < 1527347160 887771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But an extension could define some other ASCII character to mean a motor, when that extension is enabled (and ASCII does have a currency symbol, also called a dollar sign; it isn't a generic currency symbol but GURPS uses it as such) < 1527347165 657427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, a symbol available on US keyboards would be nice < 1527347202 244876 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:61dd:f961:1b22:9d9b JOIN :#esoteric < 1527347215 765221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking of using $ for something else earlier except that it requires altgr on Swedish keyboard, but so does {[]} and those are in use already so, eh < 1527347240 680449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly M for motor or possibly * or % < 1527347255 190003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the reason for % ? < 1527347265 296490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it looks like a motor < 1527347283 441455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really; just in case M and * are already used < 1527347323 333861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1527347334 756132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think I like the idea of M < 1527347572 621651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could require "#@ exts: ascii" or "#@ charset: ascii" if wanted, or just support both characters always. < 1527347763 564563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that your document looks OK to me < 1527347901 369755 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1527347906 515496 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1527347926 366467 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527348083 903887 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527348089 900657 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1527348101 923380 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here? < 1527348122 992379 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/k0GKLzw.png < 1527348130 650293 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know what language is that < 1527348162 347600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1527348246 581081 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :° and ¯ are stranges < 1527348250 639653 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and * < 1527348298 745522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added some ideas for gates to the gist < 1527348310 903840 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527348317 171006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :( https://gist.github.com/VorpalBlade/da11e5909eb0e379f6980f5a08a2567c for the benefit of the newcomer) < 1527348354 56926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celular: not familiar with that one. Looks a bit like befunge < 1527348356 707045 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm < 1527348368 369494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really < 1527348378 201329 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dyvqjmxbyzxrjhlj JOIN :#esoteric < 1527348378 436903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celular: are you sure it is an esolang? < 1527348407 79184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no it isn't befunge, the IP would move very silly if it was < 1527348456 676332 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it in a riddle, so i'm not sure about anything, but maybe is an esolang, with some... trick < 1527348485 535527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of it looks like brainfuck but then the [ and ] should be balanced, which is not the case here < 1527348504 131292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ° and ¯ are quite unusual < 1527348622 749141 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they separate words < 1527348748 441762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That new version of the document looks OK to me < 1527348791 816406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you still need unicode for the pistons except in the up direction < 1527348818 79674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't writable on any standard keyboard > 1527348820 566811 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Along and Across14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55350 5* 03Plokmijnuhby 5* (+336) 10Created page with "This looks suspiciously like the minimisation operator in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-recursive_function -recursive functions]. I don't fully understand -recursive f..." < 1527348997 494057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but maybe you can rearrange the program in order to avoid needing the other direction < 1527349146 82402 :Celular!bd221a6a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.34.26.106 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1527349179 323025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably, or use strings, but that has higher delay due to switching phases < 1527350121 647947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay I think this has functional completeness. < 1527350258 218477 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run print (fix error) < 1527350260 231831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1527350268 541249 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?! < 1527350323 51969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even evaluate print? < 1527350326 290914 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix error < 1527350328 784820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Ex... < 1527350331 688713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: nope < 1527350333 866406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run print "test" < 1527350335 971119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1527350338 787414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why < 1527350348 621719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: IO () < 1527350349 491618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy evaluation and not evaluating IO < 1527350350 468463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1527351994 281722 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1527352052 879220 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1527352489 565393 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1527352513 934032 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527352546 604150 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: for some reason I thought @run is the same as > < 1527352582 696497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print "test" < 1527352584 591668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1527352589 81562 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print (fix error) < 1527352590 926746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1527352595 798517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the result is the same < 1527352608 367959 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it is < 1527352638 378275 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that it prints what is sent to stdout, not prints the value using `print` < 1527352664 119429 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why I thought that, if I had seen the contraty < 1527352674 32418 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrary* < 1527352980 203104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: so, two things: 1) going to extend your extension any further with different box types? 2) permission for me to incorporate it (with credits of course) in the main document? Probably won't happen before I put it up on the esolang wiki, which won't happen today at least. Maybe tomorrow < 1527353326 820101 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the second point, what is your user name on the wiki? < 1527354278 793817 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, of course incorporate it < 1527354298 561002 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the second point, what is your user name on the wiki? => the same but with capital A < 1527354340 69913 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1527354390 590373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for computational class I'm suspecting it is not quite TC, I can't come up with a good way to access infinite memory (yes the voltage is bignum, but getting at that voltage in any meaningful way is hard). So it is probably an LBA. < 1527354428 353214 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to extend your extension any further with different box types? => hm, I don’t think I’ll think of something more, the thought about conductivity and particle reflection was immediate, but no more than that < 1527354456 208884 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sticky boxes? :D < 1527354569 708163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea, what are the mechanics around sticky boxes < 1527354605 240031 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm… you could add particle colors and let boxes reflect some of them but not all. But IMO it will complicate things for no reason < 1527354608 417797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with the box idea currently is that they don't interact that much with the rest of the language at the moment I think, apart from blocking particles, what else do they do? < 1527354632 778266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is the particle charge idea as an extension I wrote, didn't really flesh out how it would work < 1527354662 825219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :do belts block particles? < 1527354666 174634 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they shouldn't < 1527354674 652431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise what would the point of the boxes be < 1527354704 172597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from blocking particles, what else do they do? => if also taking away conductivity, IDK. < 1527354743 875504 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I forgot I thought belts shouldn’t block, indeed < 1527354745 325015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the thing is, I think a language like this, is a bit like a game. There is a reason something like Deus Ex or System Shock is so good: different systems interacting < 1527354761 581339 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more interactions, the better < 1527354767 843750 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree < 1527354815 853843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it interact with electricity is good, making it do so in an interesting and novel way is better < 1527354848 621751 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this: if a particle travels along the belt and hits a box on it, it makes belt move one step with all the other boxes too < 1527354863 183941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe I should make particles do something with string < 1527354874 799861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one < 1527354940 90388 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it do so in an interesting and novel way is better => how about storing charge? If the box catches an impulse, it doesn’t travel further and is stored, next time if that box doesn’t catch anything, it emits what was stored, if any < 1527354963 3284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it delays by one turn? < 1527354968 219516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how do you mean < 1527354970 619052 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1527354997 947340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bright one, I suppose < 1527355030 577274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it storing a charge, and when it gets moved next time, it emits it (since the particle is "shaken loose") XD < 1527355043 250961 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ate ice cream a hour ago and I think there should be an ice cream < 1527355046 68589 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice! < 1527355055 858473 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes much more sense < 1527355067 404351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it be the same direction? Random? Reflect? < 1527355077 592364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should it be emitted before or after the move? < 1527355096 608051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the answers to these questions < 1527355152 490472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "shaken loose" level of absurdity (if you think in context of an elementary particle) is the right sort of humor for this language < 1527355181 50668 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the answers to these questions => neither do I, this is an experimental matter maybe. Try one, then other, and what makes more interesting things should win < 1527355225 475731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I likely won't make an implementation for at least several months, and then I suspect it would be a rather slow and dumb python one < 1527355251 337518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can always execute it in your head of course < 1527355277 421484 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "shaken loose" level of absurdity (if you think in context of an elementary particle) is the right sort of humor for this language => someone could even make a movie of it :D < 1527355277 898603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :random probably isn't very interesting < 1527355298 150390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: um? reference I'm not getting? I don't watch many movies < 1527355324 583726 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people like to make movies on popular games these days < 1527355334 203062 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Angry Birds or something :D < 1527355336 120475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, aren't they all terrible though? < 1527355351 361808 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK, not watched < 1527355598 457006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: okay, here is how I think the charge storage should work: emitted from the *moved* location in a predictable direction < 1527355618 632224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :think it will be more interesting, since you can then detect which direction it was moved in < 1527355655 199191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if it is blocked from actually moving (by the belt being full for example), should it still shake loose? Maybe, that allows you to detect not moving at all < 1527355690 896990 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1527355752 460271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: so a wheel at the end of a conveyor always moves the conveyor in the direction of that wheel, right? < 1527355779 150539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the language does not track direction of rotation (though it could with the charge extension perhaps) < 1527355874 523899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that causes issues with determining how to unwind string, string is not exactly rigid < 1527355983 927213 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so a wheel at the end of a conveyor always moves the conveyor in the direction of that wheel, right? => exactly. But if it will lead to inconveniences, they could push in other direcrions instead < 1527355997 487549 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :direction* < 1527356018 522691 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the direction to that end is more logical, though < 1527356066 406338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, either works, as long as it is consistent < 1527356082 352616 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I didn’t even thought about rotation, the language’s abstraction had already got me at that time :D ) < 1527356095 748515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1527356136 24889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought long and hard about direction of rotation, would allow some interesting stuff with placing wheels next to each other, like cogs < 1527356160 318735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I lacked a good way to integrate it in the rest of the mechanics < 1527356195 607212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as how to decide which direction the motor should be driven in < 1527356210 5800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, how to handle unwinding string > 1527356341 214866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Joshop 5* 10New user account > 1527356507 504137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55351&oldid=55347 5* 03Joshop 5* (+123) 10Introduction > 1527357045 647153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07@text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55352&oldid=39655 5* 03Soaku 5* (-382) 10Improved formatting < 1527357257 517717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@text looks like a trivial chiper of the input as opposed to an interesting language, am I missing something? < 1527357257 662146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thx tell let leet < 1527357267 778778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't mean any of those < 1527357458 732185 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let there be light < 1527357458 850240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TemplateHaskell language extension is not enabled. Please add ... < 1527357476 242254 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems I could not create universes just yet < 1527357487 802254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1527357523 160222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that python implementation of @text is not very compact > 1527357842 208371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55353 5* 03Joshop 5* (+2059) 10A stack based bit based programming language > 1527357861 96925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55354&oldid=55353 5* 03Joshop 5* (+1) 10 > 1527357895 659575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55355&oldid=55354 5* 03Joshop 5* (+2) 10 > 1527358047 546435 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55356&oldid=55341 5* 03Joshop 5* (+13) 10 > 1527358141 622316 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55357&oldid=55355 5* 03Joshop 5* (+119) 10 > 1527358178 131742 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55358&oldid=55357 5* 03Joshop 5* (-2) 10 < 1527358232 938646 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1527358457 246142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pepe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55359&oldid=54243 5* 03Soaku 5* (+166) 10 < 1527358491 463486 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1527358496 813836 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1527358786 485123 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1527359464 81878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55360&oldid=55356 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+18) 10/* Y */ YEOOIIOOIOA? < 1527359549 948188 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not to add, really < 1527359726 337488 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: is that cat program POSIX cat? Or just STDIN -> STDOUT? < 1527359734 637782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote POSIX cat in befunge some time ago < 1527359766 665493 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just STDIN -> STDOUT? => this one < 1527359783 666408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it, hm < 1527359930 167399 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg, it’s almost midnight here. Wish you luck searching! < 1527360082 219421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you < 1527360170 546854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 20:42 here, and still broad daylight. Fuck high latitudes. < 1527360177 717816 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1527361031 890330 :plokmijnuhby!4e954bd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.149.75.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527361099 538434 :plokmijnuhby!4e954bd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.149.75.217 QUIT :Client Quit < 1527361821 306542 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-002-203-000-049.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1527361918 796181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Along and Across14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55361&oldid=55350 5* 03Ais523 5* (+758) 10not the same > 1527362498 257046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55362&oldid=55358 5* 03Ais523 5* (+950) 10/* Computational Class */ at least TC < 1527362684 742022 :Elronnd_!elronnd@slashem.me NICK :Elronnd < 1527364990 654233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how on the wiki do I prevent ~~~ to expanding to the user name thingy, I need it in the code examples... < 1527365023 387814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you write it will not expand < 1527365046 589486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also use the ASCII code number for the character you want > 1527365291 947448 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55363&oldid=55351 5* 03Vorpal 5* (-64357) 10Initial mediawikification of draft specification. > 1527365444 17127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55364&oldid=55363 5* 03Vorpal 5* (-83) 10 < 1527365458 488109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks < 1527365466 340801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work inside
 though
< 1527365515 893400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it might be a bug in MediaWiki
> 1527365725 360499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55365&oldid=55364 5* 03Vorpal 5* (-23) 10
> 1527365776 211622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55366&oldid=55365 5* 03Vorpal 5* (-2) 10/* String behaviour */
> 1527365793 509889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55367&oldid=55366 5* 03Vorpal 5* (-2) 10/* Gates */
< 1527365864 185895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, wrong page?
> 1527365890 912467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetum Mobile14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55368 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+12778) 10New language
< 1527365968 975640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Managed to screw up the introduce yourself, and the wiki isn't letting me fix it. Please help?
< 1527365969 148390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1527366014 802559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe you are an admin and can fix it too?
> 1527366356 602793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55369&oldid=55367 5* 03Ais523 5* (+64467) 10rv Vorpal: author request (Vorpal can't revert their edit themself due to the spam filter being particularly protective of this page)
< 1527366387 896240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and I typoed the language page
< 1527366389 182716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
> 1527366403 330785 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Vorpal 5*  10moved [[02Perpetum Mobile10]] to [[Perpetuum Mobile]]: Fix typo
> 1527366415 851232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55372&oldid=55360 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+23) 10/* P */ Adding Perpetuum Mobile
< 1527366567 539572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Would like you to take a look on this new Perpetuum Mobile language as well
< 1527366567 693709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
> 1527366874 970652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetuum Mobile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55373&oldid=55370 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+2969) 10/* Belts and boxes (belts) */
> 1527367013 795661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetuum Mobile14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55374&oldid=55373 5* 03Vorpal 5* (-45) 10Improve header strucuture
> 1527367174 184795 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetuum Mobile14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55375&oldid=55374 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+28) 10
> 1527367293 866484 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetuum Mobile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55376&oldid=55375 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+127) 10/* Computational class */
< 1527367405 311999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I start a numerical list in mediawiki at 0?
< 1527367484 898692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, apparently I'd have to rewrite it in HTML. Think I'll pass
> 1527368417 672820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetuum Mobile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55377&oldid=55376 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+0) 10/* Gates */
< 1527368946 537405 :Guest78368!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpallo
< 1527368954 880322 :Guest78368!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :quintopia
< 1527368984 743787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :Guest36995
< 1527368999 423252 :Guest36995!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't give me a message about identifying. weird.
< 1527369003 829716 :Guest36995!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is going on freenode
< 1527369109 387809 :Guest36995!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i did get it
< 1527369132 224739 :Guest36995!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :quintopia
> 1527369832 863665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetuum Mobile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55378&oldid=55377 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+669) 10/* Energy magnitude detection */
< 1527369855 233119 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest13947: services bugged out yesterday
< 1527369860 371469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1527369862 312347 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^
< 1527369875 982424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also, see this new fancy esolang
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> 1527370660 466086 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Perpetuum Mobile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55379&oldid=55378 5* 03Vorpal 5* (+38) 10/* Computational class */
< 1527370766 701240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good niht
< 1527370768 440876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night*
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< 1527373307 109098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1527373308 42530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 262150Z 05010KT 9999 VCTS FEW060CB 20/15 Q1017 TEMPO 7000 TSRA BKN045
< 1527373337 312107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thunderstorms and lightning.
< 1527373718 520099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a Magic: the Gathering card:   {2W} Enchantment - Saga ;; I, II, III--Create a 1/1 white Bird Warrior creature token with flying and banding. ;; IV--Target creature gets +0/+2 until end of turn.
< 1527374088 741753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't banding deprecated?
< 1527375291 877764 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yes, but it's still in the rules.
> 1527375394 597375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55380&oldid=55362 5* 03Joshop 5* (+28) 10
< 1527376712 154691 :SoniEx2!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1527376731 604292 :SoniEx2!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there 2 distinct self BCT programs that produce the same result?
> 1527376845 951187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55381&oldid=55380 5* 03Joshop 5* (+75) 10
< 1527376895 171702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think banding is good anyways, but yes they no longer use it but I do. The rules still support it.
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