< 1529886528 489234 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1529886881 494841 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56043&oldid=56029 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-40) 10Undo revision 56029 by [[Special:Contributions/Asdf|Asdf]] ([[User talk:Asdf|talk]]) It's certainly not. > 1529887030 594446 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing tarpit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56044&oldid=56036 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-71) 10As I said in my previous edit summary, they don't belong here, also this is not a "complete list" section < 1529887207 790103 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asdf seems to be a bit of a wanker. > 1529887282 36518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07INTERCALL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56045 5* 03Asdf 5* (+8062) 10Created page with "'''INTERCAL''', an abbreviation for ''Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym'', was created in 1972, thus probably making it the first ever esoteric programming lan..." < 1529887342 778630 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. < 1529887527 892740 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: too similar to "bob" < 1529887565 681837 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like he's just duplicating language pages. :\ < 1529887574 835176 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1529888297 601679 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :duckgoose < 1529888304 884608 :duckgoose!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony < 1529888463 269795 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :duccgoose < 1529888901 51048 :duccgoose!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :moony < 1529889215 497392 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.133.178.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1529890668 637423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56046&oldid=43532 5* 03Asdf 5* (+84) 10/* 2005 */ > 1529890717 756857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56047&oldid=56046 5* 03Asdf 5* (-4) 10/* 2006 */ > 1529890907 285184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56048&oldid=56047 5* 03Asdf 5* (+87) 10/* 2000 */ > 1529890970 348966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56049&oldid=56048 5* 03Asdf 5* (+70) 10/* 2001 */ < 1529891290 324267 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those edits look suspiciously close to reasonable. < 1529891315 890576 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( he's trying to throw us off track! ) > 1529891387 210418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56050&oldid=56041 5* 03Fuzzballcat7 5* (-141) 10/* Introductions */ > 1529891738 247216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56051&oldid=56049 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+69) 10Expand descriptions a bit > 1529891898 346821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56052&oldid=56050 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10Undo censorship. Seriously, browsers shouldn't do that automatically. < 1529894722 10680 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1529895348 620778 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1529895896 7859 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he just try to censor everything? that's hilarious. < 1529896567 858889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't go far enough. < 1529896575 586466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ought to censor all criticisms of the wiki < 1529897207 7293 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: i believe it's a kid browsing through some kind of net nanny - they had big trouble making the introduction in the first place < 1529897321 50005 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were heaps of similar edits caught in the filter because the introduction edit isn't allowed to change anything else on the page < 1529897452 30683 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's a specific application < 1529897771 275771 :imode-desktop!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1529898923 420285 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've basically just invented a new variant of thue that allows line-comments and a modified syntax. should I add this to the wiki with examples? because all of my programs (including the one I wrote today) are good examples of string rewriting. < 1529899806 208628 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1529900905 127696 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you do, don't start by copying the Thue page hth < 1529901264 226642 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao. < 1529902884 271128 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1529903260 95647 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbhtbnvbttjgimcs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1529903458 890090 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1529903500 292180 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1529904990 295536 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1529906126 104684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just write it by yourself; link to the Thue page if necessary, there is no need to copy it, though. < 1529908277 522516 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.1 < 1529909322 844750 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1529911934 72917 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1529914013 997508 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1529914747 722096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56053&oldid=55031 5* 03Asdf 5* (+68) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1529914831 61899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56054&oldid=56053 5* 03Asdf 5* (+32) 10/* Examples */ < 1529916195 100386 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1529916349 778340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56055&oldid=56054 5* 03Asdf 5* (+261) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1529916510 274562 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56056&oldid=56055 5* 03Asdf 5* (+185) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1529916545 764577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56057&oldid=56056 5* 03Asdf 5* (-32) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1529916896 638013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56058&oldid=56057 5* 03Asdf 5* (+392) 10/* Cat */ > 1529917020 688961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56059&oldid=56058 5* 03Asdf 5* (+97) 10/* Move value */ < 1529917069 228128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1529917069 285904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1529917069 285949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1529917100 391528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56060&oldid=56059 5* 03Asdf 5* (+55) 10/* Cat */ > 1529917168 757362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56061&oldid=56060 5* 03Asdf 5* (+79) 10/* External resources */ > 1529917402 524667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56062&oldid=56061 5* 03Asdf 5* (+107) 10/* Division */ > 1529917422 980038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56063&oldid=56062 5* 03Asdf 5* (+2) 10/* Cubing */ > 1529917602 402315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 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5* 03Asdf 5* (+2) 10/* Squaring */ > 1529917818 533195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56071&oldid=56070 5* 03Asdf 5* (+2) 10/* Cubing */ > 1529918074 54813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56072&oldid=56071 5* 03Asdf 5* (+8246) 10/* Examples */ < 1529918098 778825 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1529918198 448997 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56073&oldid=56072 5* 03Asdf 5* (-63) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ > 1529918253 156254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56074&oldid=56073 5* 03Asdf 5* (+6) 10/* Self Interpreter */ < 1529918288 802542 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1529918340 136675 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56075&oldid=56074 5* 03Asdf 5* (+90) 10/* Quine */ > 1529918366 961018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56076&oldid=56075 5* 03Asdf 5* (+34) 10/* Self Interpreter */ > 1529918430 349266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56077&oldid=56076 5* 03Asdf 5* (+20) 10 > 1529918473 316056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56078&oldid=56077 5* 03Asdf 5* (+5) 10/* Cat */ > 1529918710 271900 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56079&oldid=56078 5* 03Asdf 5* (+315) 10/* Examples */ > 1529918863 945676 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56080&oldid=56079 5* 03Asdf 5* (+2247) 10/* Examples */ > 1529918888 758856 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56081&oldid=56080 5* 03Asdf 5* (-29) 10/* ROT13 Encipher */ > 1529918900 742728 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56082&oldid=56081 5* 03Asdf 5* (+2) 10/* ROT13 Encipher */ > 1529918911 591804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56083&oldid=56082 5* 03Asdf 5* (-2) 10/* ROT13 Encipher */ > 1529919127 252625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56084&oldid=56083 5* 03Asdf 5* (+66) 10/* External resources */ > 1529919180 479909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56085&oldid=56084 5* 03Asdf 5* (+43) 10/* External resources */ > 1529919385 77244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56086&oldid=56085 5* 03Asdf 5* (+0) 10/* Quine */ < 1529919439 778269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that "INTERCALL" page is just a copy of the contents of the INTERCAL page, except without the "See also" section. > 1529919441 498197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07INTERCALL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56087&oldid=56045 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-8040) 10Replace content copy with a redirect. > 1529919513 709560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56088&oldid=56086 5* 03Asdf 5* (+3274) 10/* Quine */ > 1529919630 228902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56089&oldid=56088 5* 03Asdf 5* (+4110) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ > 1529919841 296444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56090&oldid=56089 5* 03Asdf 5* (+147) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ < 1529919975 492920 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1529920053 751393 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56091&oldid=56090 5* 03Asdf 5* (+179) 10/* ROT13 Encipher */ > 1529920067 255979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56092&oldid=56091 5* 03Asdf 5* (-4) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1529920165 618374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56093&oldid=56092 5* 03Asdf 5* (+36) 10/* Quine */ > 1529920194 414136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56094&oldid=56093 5* 03Asdf 5* (+43) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ < 1529920199 715131 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1529920336 325249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56095&oldid=56094 5* 03Asdf 5* (+94) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1529920540 791141 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this person making so many edits < 1529920641 18467 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1529920946 184208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56096&oldid=56095 5* 03Asdf 5* (+18) 10/* Language overview */ < 1529921378 906488 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should edit it back > 1529921516 311585 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56097&oldid=56096 5* 03Asdf 5* (+48) 10/* External resources */ < 1529921562 430732 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.133.178.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1529921878 430942 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529922116 19887 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1529922595 495637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56098&oldid=56097 5* 03Asdf 5* (+66) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1529923324 467291 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Excess Flood < 1529923346 691424 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1529923788 759913 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529923965 324978 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1529924576 967716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56099&oldid=56098 5* 03Asdf 5* (+80) 10/* External resources */ < 1529925631 912881 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529925854 692810 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1529926622 187635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1529926780 658918 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he even removes the link to the truth machine just to put a short description in the section on the article < 1529927496 290945 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529927706 15720 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529927865 993891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of that "examples" content (if we want to keep it) needs to go on its own subpage. Four moderately long programs was okay; 18 isn't. < 1529927919 760984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the conversational tone isn't great for an article.) < 1529927956 243132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the one-char cat isn't a cat. It's not even a kitten. It's more of a hairball.) > 1529928263 52359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56100&oldid=56099 5* 03Fizzie 5* (-60) 10/* Cat */ Undo one-char cat (revisions 56060, 56078): it doesn't really implement cat, and "four versions (but X added one more)" just looks silly. < 1529928627 61440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't stdin passthrough just ,[.,] < 1529928637 204260 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming , returns 0 once you're done < 1529928651 983409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page has variants for the four different EOF conventions. < 1529928676 227700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, three different conventions but four different combinations. < 1529928677 43945 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like eof returns -1 < 1529928680 875645 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's unabiguous < 1529928683 970119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still easy to test < 1529928688 751612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0, -1, "0 or no change", "-1 or no change".) < 1529928720 840171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not unambiguous on 8-bit cells. < 1529928726 892076 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While lots of people didn't find how to subtract, I do found one. It subtracts 7 by 2. " Great grammar < 1529928731 187108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True < 1529928738 553776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we all know 9 bits are the standard ;) < 1529928756 20177 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.133.178.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1529928771 46914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.133.178.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn’t > 1529929027 724012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56101&oldid=56100 5* 03Asdf 5* (+966) 10/* Infinite loop */ > 1529929042 866411 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56102&oldid=56101 5* 03Asdf 5* (+13) 10/* Deadfish */ < 1529929061 808657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: FWIW, I also disagree on the "Squaring" and "Cubing" examples actually doing what they say they do. IMO, squaring 5 would be more like +++++[->+>+<<]>[->[->+<<<+>>]>[-<+>]<<] than +++++[->+++++<]. < 1529929092 697486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, that "squaring" example is just multiplication < 1529929137 506643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may do a little cleanup later, but there's work stuff now. > 1529929340 865695 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56103&oldid=56102 5* 03Asdf 5* (+25789) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ < 1529929343 301271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also semi-worried about the CC0 status of all these programs. I don't expect they're all own work, but there's no credit given. < 1529929363 331222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Deadfish example seems to be just a copy of Deadfish#Brainfuck. < 1529929391 697125 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529929401 78025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that last one is just crazy. > 1529929424 798274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56104&oldid=56103 5* 03Asdf 5* (-25789) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ > 1529929509 749920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56105&oldid=56104 5* 03Asdf 5* (+3148) 10/* Quine */ < 1529929551 313542 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1529929810 145460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56106&oldid=56105 5* 03Asdf 5* (+579) 10/* Language overview */ > 1529929846 109075 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56107&oldid=56106 5* 03Asdf 5* (+8) 10/* Language overview */ < 1529930397 451388 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1529931274 220972 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529931458 85168 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529931631 629077 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1529932472 58953 :Remavas-Hex!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1529932617 821381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56108&oldid=56107 5* 03Asdf 5* (+1) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1529932648 929672 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56109&oldid=56108 5* 03Asdf 5* (+50) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1529933153 535146 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1529933190 954069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56110&oldid=56109 5* 03Asdf 5* (+153) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1529933223 657941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56111&oldid=56110 5* 03Asdf 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1529933334 42050 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529935061 287351 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529935258 314022 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1529936941 799699 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529937140 327280 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1529938846 320790 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529939031 278992 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1529939191 171719 :hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@2a01:4f8:120:4091::10 QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism. < 1529939726 883788 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xogodpnpirudcslb JOIN :#esoteric < 1529940741 829375 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529940953 101542 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1529942191 465682 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1529942616 480054 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529942798 21369 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529943152 818727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't completely a copy; there was a "New Syntax" section, too. < 1529944649 948506 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529944791 277925 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1529945804 74830 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1529945983 704948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still, they shouldn't almost copy it either; just a link and the section of new stuff could do, if they needed that) < 1529946565 358775 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529946719 780652 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1529947391 186115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1529947391 246095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1529947391 246155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1529948412 870765 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1529948418 401384 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1529948419 684587 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1529948424 343409 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529948454 351476 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up? < 1529948567 626551 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyeh < 1529948594 2512 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529948798 836947 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive made an esolang < 1529949554 36934 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1529950286 368225 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529950483 293232 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1529952274 209882 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529952411 957850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew, go on < 1529952415 326525 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1529952461 721986 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a joke language < 1529952489 401471 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically to make a script in it < 1529952504 800912 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a python script and convert every letter and number in it to binary < 1529952513 948323 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1s are + and 0s are - < 1529952517 62423 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it < 1529952568 360811 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want you can do the command "musicate-" < 1529952609 931855 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"musicate-[converted script here]" plays the script, where every + is an A note and every - is a B note < 1529952623 275144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, uh < 1529952626 89603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a language < 1529952639 102343 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1529952646 497622 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a conversion < 1529952690 689515 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know thats lame < 1529952700 101930 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im new < 1529952704 974042 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you mad < 1529952707 163571 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made* < 1529952710 431505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :more interesting: come up with a syntactic transformation like that which maps *any* input file at all to a valid python problem < 1529952731 854314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this will be almost impossible targeting python tbh, better to try a language with simpler syntax) < 1529952736 573039 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1529952743 229917 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is c good < 1529952745 930032 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or c++ < 1529952821 25961 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got another idea < 1529952858 108473 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this language, there are only < and > < 1529952871 83157 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine an infinite tape < 1529952878 686529 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< spawns a pointer < 1529952887 281136 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> turns each pointer < 1529952889 825036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1529952889 877895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Variable not in scope: < 1529952889 893934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : turns :: ((a0 -> f0 b0) -> s0 -> f0 t0) -> t1 -> terror: Variable not ... < 1529952901 175500 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>(2) turns each pointer 2 degrees < 1529952918 213794 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is a separator < 1529952947 511949 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another new symbol, # decides the size of the tape < 1529952967 877020 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#(2) makes the tape have 2*2=4 squares < 1529952995 21927 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< always spawns a pointer at the very lower edge of the tape < 1529953014 574543 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very down-left corner to be exact < 1529953028 246019 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#(0) spawns a pointer at that corner < 1529953068 2809 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, i meant <(0) < 1529953102 776856 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<(1) spawns a pointer 1 diagonal block away from that corner < 1529953123 207000 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<(2) spawns a pointer 2 blocks diagonally away from that corner, and so on. < 1529953168 913958 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, you end the whole thing off with F and then convert each black square to a 1 and each white one to a 0 < 1529953179 951961 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this isnt good < 1529953270 630278 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, lets remove # < 1529953278 75467 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets make this an infinite tape < 1529953290 543700 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< spawns a black pixel, > spawns a white pixel. < 1529953342 991697 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is the separator < 1529953373 346267 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanna know what all that is, its binary < 1529953406 910563 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[when i say separator i mean - goes inbetween each wedge] < 1529953443 273894 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that binary is binary for a script from brainf@@k < 1529953533 153488 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the hello world script for my esolang goes like this: < 1529953552 286328 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the hello world script from brainf@@k, convert it to binary < 1529953576 85124 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make each 0 a < and each 1 a > < 1529953581 249606 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go. < 1529953595 80792 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also have - between each wedge. < 1529953656 605514 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is called wedgef@@k < 1529953673 549522 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1529953696 877157 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1529954370 248115 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529954404 68904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1529954515 368768 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1529954548 855778 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do y'all think of DawnOS? < 1529954573 548416 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :claims to be an operating system written for a subleq interpreter with hardware access. < 1529954701 489344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1529954736 909534 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has a single command < 1529954766 334995 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its still turing complete < 1529954784 429355 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats cool < 1529954798 747824 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's an OISC. < 1529954808 379382 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, a piece of software targeting an OISC. < 1529954817 285014 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one instruction set computer. < 1529954818 206732 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded it and tried it out. it's a mess. < 1529954835 960012 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make a non-messy os with 1 command < 1529954861 427119 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1529954870 417032 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can. < 1529954871 691001 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1529954884 540087 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the wrong command chosen? < 1529954915 333853 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less that the underlying architecture is bad, and more the operating system is bad. < 1529954928 7342 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, the vista problem < 1529954942 5462 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the architecture's good, but the os is bad > 1529954991 14751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56112&oldid=56111 5* 03Ais523 5* (-25186) 10rv all recent edits by [[User:asdf]]; at least some of them are copyright violations, best to err on the safe side and assume that they all are < 1529955030 611376 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dude says that there is an imperialistic opression < 1529955035 449536 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by intel < 1529955044 286573 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he's a terry davis certified nutbag. < 1529955066 248347 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tying computer proccessors and politics together, gimme a break. > 1529955115 998881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 revision10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10Ais523 changed visibility of 58 revisions on page [[02Brainfuck10]]: content hidden: Copyright violation < 1529955185 968910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this oisc youre talking about < 1529955222 838439 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a computer that only has a single command. < 1529955245 473961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: well, two things bug me about dawn OS. 1) OISC really isn't a sweet spot in the performance space. 2) for something that claims to make people free, there should be source code available. I'd like to confirm that they basically have a standard library and a compiler backend (perhaps llvm? would like to know that...) < 1529955253 289333 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy who made it claims that intel is oppressing people by using inefficient software. > 1529955270 371655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Asdf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56113&oldid=55997 5* 03Ais523 5* (+681) 10please stop with the copyright violations < 1529955273 31478 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lmao, I agree, I was searching for the source in the zip archive he provides, but it simply ain't there. < 1529955286 954512 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :he provides source for the simulator, but that's it. < 1529955306 479457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what's in the disk image, I've never run it) < 1529955345 803240 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote the blog, "He sees chip and OS development as essentially political acts in a market dominated by corporate inefficiency." < 1529955394 608842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :inefficiency? hmm < 1529955406 82219 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has an OpenCL-enabled emulator.. I'm curious as to what it does, but if I ran it, I'm worried that it'll frickin' nuke my system. :P < 1529955426 648574 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/freedom.html is his political page < 1529955447 37880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what an oisc is < 1529955455 962814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :im asking about this specific one < 1529955460 693200 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's subleq. < 1529955470 346217 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://ptpb.pw/sbFN/c < 1529955471 227045 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite see that inefficiency, though perhaps Google's TPU effort (beating GPUs by an order of magnitude for NN evaluation) proves some of that point. < 1529955477 175640 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUBtract and branch if Less than or EQual < 1529955483 539589 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what subleq is < 1529955485 798810 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the source code for his simulator. < 1529955533 387274 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variable names are the stuff of dreams. < 1529955547 25797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hilarious < 1529955552 278689 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1529955571 499199 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says that corporate people are opressing us by intentionally giving us bad stuff < 1529955608 562348 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have added another person to my list of crazy people. check! this guy is nuts < 1529955616 961233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such int jobbegergomb=0; < 1529955625 114250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1529955628 907812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables from dune < 1529955637 644768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that 'no such' is a pasting error) < 1529955650 142741 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit if you do a string dump on the disk image he has an entire bitmap font in there. < 1529955676 529941 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I found your source. < 1529955686 429160 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variables are the stuff of sleep paralysis delusions. < 1529955690 431834 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his name is geri dawn < 1529955698 564950 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the damn disk. < 1529955736 875006 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is nuts in both departments < 1529955743 173925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean where else are you going to put a string dump < 1529955746 308040 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly impressive. > 1529955752 87226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MediaWiki:Sidebar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56114&oldid=30172 5* 03Ais523 5* (+45) 10[[Esolang:Categorization]] is probably important enough to put into the sidebar; people keep missing that it exists and it's a more usable way to find languages than the language list < 1529955761 280436 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: `strings disk0.bin` is what I mean. < 1529955763 465638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i assume the batshit variable names are due to him being hungarian more than anything else < 1529955784 2324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume this is a bootable disk image < 1529955806 206452 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly have no idea. he says you need compatible hardware. < 1529955812 710012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1529955816 378444 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy doesn't know how to make an operating system. < 1529955822 110502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean is it surprising it contains a bitmap font? < 1529955823 879264 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. :P < 1529955836 592476 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I expected the bitmap font to be, you know, a bitmap. < 1529955844 246853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to display shit in that font it needs to be in an image < 1529955847 30195 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally an ASCII representation of each letter lined up sequentially in memory. < 1529955847 915068 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raspberry pi does a better job, and it has really little commands < 1529955854 528457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean he stores it as, like, ascii art? < 1529955858 120443 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. < 1529955862 128383 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1529955863 22870 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1529955863 693704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1529955869 127566 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII ART. < 1529955870 564726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :might just be to look good in a hex editor < 1529955874 897882 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1529955875 701571 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1529955875 821871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of skullcode < 1529955892 30640 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy is actually worse than most of the companies he claims are opressing us < 1529955896 842956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess you guys have never seen skullcode?) < 1529955904 518121 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never did. < 1529955907 795704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://skullcode.com/ < 1529955918 779219 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are underagers allowed on here? < 1529955923 913104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1529955936 991686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr it's a vm running a custom cpu architecture < 1529955937 22219 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i'm 11. < 1529955943 790365 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it. < 1529955945 585216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :running a hex editor pointed at its own memory < 1529955973 804864 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/5CQH/text warning: large text dump, but this is the whole string dump of disk0.bin < 1529955976 952966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably not even the youngest regular we've had here < 1529955996 844328 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Imagine a world, where the education of the students on computers is about showing the shapes of computers, and they call it ,,science''. < 1529956001 509686 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what he said < 1529956032 806749 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm even more sure this guy is nuts < 1529956044 69640 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1529956067 167574 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll say this, it's not something I've done. < 1529956085 826685 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Imagine that opening a generic picture file needs more complex algorythms than sending a rocket with persons to land on the moon. < 1529956090 234194 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also what he said. > 1529956091 157402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56115&oldid=54321 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1029) 10/* Category proposal: constant string printers */ new section < 1529956093 288037 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is untrue. < 1529956103 487418 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. it kind of is..? < 1529956111 114929 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya. it kinda is. < 1529956131 266314 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern image decoding is certainly more intensive than the stuff the guidance systems ran. < 1529956149 123143 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but its so for a reason. < 1529956193 361106 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the many small transistors can only detect 1 or 0. < 1529956202 802766 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1529956215 244762 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what? < 1529956222 665195 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true. < 1529956227 393248 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a transistor is like a switch < 1529956232 82520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... actually not, as such < 1529956232 471676 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has no relevance to the conversation. < 1529956235 258366 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1529956244 802533 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here he was right. < 1529956247 753720 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense that you're 11. < 1529956252 754414 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1529956254 233558 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529956279 630782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :transistors don't just switch instantly on or off, they have useful behaviour on the boundary < 1529956283 641641 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1529956284 378077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: so now one just needs to unpack that disk image... hmm < 1529956286 708201 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do. < 1529956298 470893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: but good to know. if I ever find time for this, that is. < 1529956327 364729 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know for sure that this is your source, it's not really "complete" from what I'm seeing. < 1529956355 147899 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1529956384 415410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'big endian is easier when developing hardware' < 1529956388 765945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that actually true < 1529956401 223525 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1529956406 3975 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529956408 647906 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a thing that i think confirms his hungarianity. < 1529956411 337982 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is the anniversary of the hungarian freedom fight of 1848. Dawn Operating System is available from today. It is a honor to release it today: this day symbolizes the fight of people for democracy and independence. Today a new kind of battle starts: a battle to take away the computer industry from mega corporations and bribed public servants, and give it back to the people. < 1529956424 355631 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and the fact that his variable names are all in hungarian. < 1529956435 608983 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his name is geri dawn, apparently. < 1529956452 96669 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we knew this. :P > 1529956474 813929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:U ndefined14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56116&oldid=55936 5* 03Ais523 5* (+32) 10MediaWiki treats underscore and space as equivalent in usernames and page titles; tell it which spelling the author of this page prefers < 1529956493 440124 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy is nuts, completely. < 1529956504 370648 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i invented a new word. < 1529956556 743597 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also his spelling is poor, which is a big clue. < 1529956588 80986 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/img/eszme.png < 1529956600 29861 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the picture on the freedom page. < 1529956655 727382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1529956675 327803 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Imagine a world, where the education of the students on computers is about showing the shapes of computers, and they call it ,,science''. < 1529956682 549366 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i already showed that. < 1529956682 726978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are asdf and Iamcalledbob the same person, do you think? (What's our policy on checkusering things other than spambots?) < 1529956711 963381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, they're causing a lot of mess cleaning up after them; they might be a troll or might be well-meaning but misguided < 1529956740 598279 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iamcalledbob was apparently disabled because he left his password on his talk page. Asdf spun up shortly after that. < 1529956749 156904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1529956769 170540 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, coincidence be damned, I think they're one of the same. < 1529956783 917278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iamcalledbob created something like five accounts as it was < 1529956818 898306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: now you've got me imagining a world where it's possible to determine what a computer does purely from its shape < 1529956832 571258 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was just the guy rambling. < 1529956841 66690 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know, the guy is geri dawn. < 1529956844 153860 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're picking apart DawnOS. < 1529956848 313205 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, I am. < 1529956853 828455 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a hungarian guy who made dawnOS. < 1529956864 132024 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :his emulator is an actual honest to god subleq implementation. < 1529956876 477005 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he claims that intel and the other corp are opressing people. < 1529956901 522244 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's nuts. < 1529956920 162782 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/freedom.html < 1529956926 136321 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are his ramblings. < 1529956951 544343 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his language contains a single command. < 1529956953 451222 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq. < 1529956974 816994 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtract and branch if less than or equal. < 1529957032 155145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the better-known OISCs < 1529957034 53522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Subleq < 1529957076 49678 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one instruction set computer, if you're fancy. < 1529957079 721591 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out where the hell he jumps to after he loads the image. < 1529957100 357140 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to critique dawnOS < 1529957101 759009 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1529957107 194292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mov/tta is the most commonly used OISC in practice, but subleq is probably in second place? < 1529957190 691100 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be called single instruction set computer, or SISC. < 1529957201 249354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: Hmm, some kernels of truth there. Software complexity, vendor lock-in. A lot of hyperbole though. < 1529957223 698141 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: he's Terry Davis certified! sans the racial stuff... and the CIA stuff... and a lot else... < 1529957230 392064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: so a ZISC should be "empty instruction set computer"? < 1529957234 188490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1529957243 878179 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1529957245 221791 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/22900 is relevant < 1529957269 38263 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense. < 1529957283 836925 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but much of the other stuff is nuts. < 1529957295 134779 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly the opression. < 1529957339 819959 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: (I was going to say that "Imagine a computer, which requires 1 billion transistors to flicker the cursor on the screen." is a misrepresentation... because those billions of transistors can do so much more... but then I remembered that issue :P < 1529957343 831810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1529957345 447351 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1529957355 298960 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a misrepresentation. < 1529957369 317529 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is? < 1529957373 773390 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused. < 1529957393 146427 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, you may appreciate this: https://ptpb.pw/vO8Q/text < 1529957395 944177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm not going to take this apart item by item... there's a lot there, and we'd be here all night :P < 1529957406 74739 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1529957414 404072 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the guy is nuts. < 1529957428 868756 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he? < 1529957438 487155 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in my own thue dialect (because I can't stand the original), but it's a ruleset for manipulating an arbitrarily large 2D tape. < 1529957443 570293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think what's going on there is known as an "abstractoin inversion" < 1529957443 651851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* "abstraction inversion" < 1529957446 220999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a situation where you're trying to do something which is simple from the low-level point of view but you only have high-level operations to do it with and have to try to synthesize the low-level operations out of that < 1529957473 704195 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: I like the idea of open hardware. I don't think Dawn is the right way. < 1529957480 148689 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't/ < 1529957491 179685 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TTA would be better. < 1529957494 842687 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux is the right way. < 1529957496 980403 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :timing be damned. < 1529957514 873966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTA? < 1529957524 240498 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :transport triggered architecture < 1529957539 916156 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an actual practical OISC. < 1529957556 603648 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy is nuts, because he frames things as due to opression. < 1529957557 9239 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a focus on moving data from one module to another. think of it as extreme microcode. < 1529957561 744286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I was going ot say, it looks like an implementation of PaintFuck-without-control-flow in Thue < 1529957567 776384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with different syntax < 1529957574 596013 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pretty much is! :P < 1529957580 537649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it uses uldr rather than nwse < 1529957585 463082 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be hard to extend with control flow though. < 1529957604 288943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it seems to have a state machine already < 1529957616 10190 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/Bf1F/python here's an interpreter if you wanna run it. it draws a smiley face. :) < 1529957619 372683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, my main issue with Thue is just that you have to write every possible character that something could skip over < 1529957631 139986 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: thanks < 1529957655 627650 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/KUhx/python here's a better version that prettyprints the screen. < 1529957692 762413 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm starting to warm up to that fact, though, because I can just write a compiler that supports wildcards. < 1529957704 741363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines a wimpmode/sugar for Thue in which you can define a preorder of characters, characters which are adjacent and ordered contradictory to the preorder would be swapped/sorted into order
< 1529957716 857232 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programmer's reminder of happiness is that code. < 1529957745 248027 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha, you're reading my mind. I'm wanting to develop a generic "signals" library for thue-like languages that does something like that. < 1529957757 909970 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a compiler. < 1529957797 953862 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: something that translates a source language into a destination language. < 1529957829 841866 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain it to me like i'm 5. < 1529957832 793334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: right, you clearly just need an extra layer "above" Thue that compiles down into Thue and handles all the busywork of writing each wildcard combination < 1529957875 674295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: a compiler is a program which takes input (which is a program) and produces output (which is also a program, and doesn't have to be in the same language), where the input and output programs do the same thing < 1529957886 371803 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of writing an interpreter that has arbitrary builtins as well, that after each round of rule application sneaks its own rules in for things like arithmetic, signal passing and such. < 1529957922 914817 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you guys making? < 1529958110 228735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers tend to be most practical when the output program is in a lower-level language than the input program (often assembler or machine code), although that's not required by the definition < 1529958110 367798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1529958121 844769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1529958134 145192 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529958312 244577 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1529958326 592506 :rantel!~rantel_@vpn244090.nat.uni-leipzig.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1529958605 395546 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.133.178.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1529958641 469491 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me wonder what other kinds of obscure models of computation are out there that can be made potentially useful (and more.. digestable?) by some higher-level tricks. < 1529958831 464634 :rantel!~rantel_@vpn244090.nat.uni-leipzig.de QUIT :Quit: rantel < 1529958908 138456 :rantel!~rantel_@vpn244090.nat.uni-leipzig.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1529958930 878385 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes me wanna start a site. "esolang rehab: where messed up languages find new life" < 1529958938 367934 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oiscs are interesting. < 1529958951 122080 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can do so much with a single command < 1529958971 386688 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing. < 1529958982 128054 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one command is much more. < 1529959137 819146 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it cool? < 1529959176 824667 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: you should look up Thue. < 1529959202 694790 :rantel!~rantel_@vpn244090.nat.uni-leipzig.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1529959276 419785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( x86 is a zero instruction set architecture that looks at the data pointed to by the instruction pointer and interprets it in a horribly complicated way. ) < 1529959338 465796 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did. < 1529959346 753587 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 10x better. ;) < 1529959354 559104 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 10x better < 1529959358 831593 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue? < 1529959361 374987 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh. < 1529959371 845514 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understood nothing so i'm saying yes. < 1529959377 226919 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 10x better. < 1529959413 929941 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more specifically, 10:=10x better. < 1529959442 672865 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a good joke < 1529959476 249228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: it grows old after 10xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < 1529959486 477699 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it does. < 1529959511 794023 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke was i used thue while describing how much better it was. < 1529959520 161138 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a weak joke, but it's the best i can do < 1529959776 672062 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have any of you made your own esolangs? < 1529959854 802477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew: https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ais523 < 1529959857 423700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a list there < 1529959866 216661 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made one. < 1529959876 69980 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a brainf@@k variant. < 1529959891 392242 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made eodermdrome? damn. < 1529959911 908931 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, dude! < 1529959916 144893 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made wedgef@@k. < 1529959927 275378 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, to make a hello world script in it... < 1529959943 224052 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1529959945 103650 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the brainf@@k hello world script. < 1529959954 312309 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then convert it to binary. < 1529959957 379865 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the spaces. < 1529959975 538898 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make 0 < [left wedge] and 1 > [right wedge]. < 1529959978 725780 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go, < 1529960035 437037 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also wedge unary. < 1529960045 258446 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529960079 218826 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1529960085 344867 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more specifically, unary but every second 0 is replaced with this long string of text and every other 0 is a wedge. < 1529960252 842233 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1529960354 883039 :andrew!b2de08c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.222.8.193 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529960617 821741 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1529960639 843172 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1529960664 411004 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1529960695 932321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew> are underagers allowed on here? => haha I’ve suspected < 1529960703 836336 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1529960765 554706 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1529960766 31686 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1529960792 295889 :Deewiant!~deewiant@fr1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1529960860 755444 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably not even the youngest regular we've had here> hm could I be so bold and to ask who? Really curious < 1529960990 275119 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was 16…18 I was still very immature (on the internets and in general) in many respects < 1529960997 705905 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1529961053 25935 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew> hungarianity => well coined :D I like it < 1529961072 687613 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1529961125 602067 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm what if I am Geri Dawn actually. I was suspected in living in Hungary here once by wob_jonas AFAIR) < 1529961359 193837 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523> a world where it's possible to determine what a computer does purely from its shape => why, it’s simple. Tetrahedtal ones cause fires, cuboidal cause eathquakes, octahedral cause floods, dodecahedral cause storms, and icosahedral ones, finally, cause complete cosmic annihilation via a too-near gamma burst. Forgot to add, in that world computers are actually a race of evil jinns. < 1529961476 184245 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I’ve completely missed all the fun( < 1529961771 147302 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1529961893 906658 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529961903 770437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I was thinking more along the lines of an esolang where the shape of the program is the only determinant of what it does < 1529961932 847062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally something that didn't just have a list of cases for different shapes of edges < 1529961972 307609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually is "shine a laser into a box full of mirrors" TC if the mirrors can be at arbitrary rational angles and finitely long? it wouldn't surprise me if it were < 1529961981 245554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost certainly is if you allow curves rather than just line segments < 1529962012 231301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Trajedy, but even simpler in a way… < 1529962124 739508 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1529962131 193182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…actually, if you allow arcs in addition to line segments, I think it's more likely that the resulting language is uncomputable than that it's sub-TC! > 1529962489 415907 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conedy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56117&oldid=52143 5* 03Ais523 5* (+30) 10/* Semantics */ clarify < 1529962709 130483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…hmm, I wonder if Conedy is actually a PDA? < 1529962777 506295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly /at least/ a PDA because if all your calculations use the same base you can effectively add and remove digits from the most significant end of the IP < 1529962795 121087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is as to whether you get more power by mixing bases < 1529962894 67112 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: interesting! Could it be in some many-dimensional space? < 1529962933 321792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking 2D here; 3D is going to be enough to make it TC because you effectively have two stacks rather than one < 1529963438 754592 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1529963461 995325 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a46c74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529963835 287774 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529963991 277949 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1529964121 685008 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comment was actually about the general idea of only shape determining what program does < 1529964355 83400 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be about homology groups of that shape, hm < 1529964368 202970 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.140.235.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don’t know a bit about them < 1529965760 357103 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529965916 864688 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1529967782 781817 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529967891 278353 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1529968750 486404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1529968824 38556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1529968967 976509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1529969598 46992 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1529969707 785364 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xogodpnpirudcslb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1529969790 9590 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1529970989 197142 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a coin flip bot?