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01:12:07 <zzo38> I have some Christmas lights that some days it is flashy and other days it doesn't flash do you know why?
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01:50:37 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58669&oldid=58668 * BradensEsolangs * (+12)
01:53:28 <ais523> hmm, are there any simple processor-dependend esolangs that compile via search-and-replace to machine code?
01:53:35 <ais523> *processor-independent
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02:00:47 <zzo38> I don't know
02:01:06 <zzo38> If not, then try to make it up, please
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02:11:11 <ais523> brainfuck is close, the only thing that doesn't translate directly is […]
02:11:42 <ais523> perhaps you could somehow use the call stack as a "start of loop" stack to compile dofuck?
02:12:40 <shachaf> That's where [] is do-while instead of while?
02:13:05 <ais523> yes
02:13:13 <ais523> always runs at least one iteration
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02:14:51 <shachaf> According to logs of this channel it's TC
02:15:51 <ais523> I know, I think I was there at the time
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02:50:07 <zzo38> Yes, if it is do-while then you could use a stack.
02:52:46 <mniip> what if instead + => inc (%rax)
02:53:17 <mniip> we translated + => jc .+5; inc (%rax); clc;
02:53:34 <mniip> then a [ could skip ahead by setting stc
02:54:29 <zzo38> What about nested loops then?
02:54:36 <mniip> that's where the stakc comes in
02:55:00 <zzo38> O, OK, you could then store the flag in the stack
02:56:17 <mniip> if carry is set, you push one and set carry, otherwise if condition is true then you push return address and clear carry, otherwise you push zero and set carry
02:57:05 <mniip> on ], if carry is set, pop number into carry flag; otherwise pop number into instruction pointer
02:58:15 <zzo38> The call stack also works differently for different instruction sets. There are other differences too.
02:58:33 <zzo38> Yes, what you mention can work
02:58:45 <zzo38> That is a good idea
02:59:24 <mniip> true
02:59:38 <mniip> you need IP relative call and no hardware stackframes
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03:07:39 <zzo38> MMIX has a register stack, and the GETA instruction can be used for relative addressing, and GO can be used to jump. There is then also PUSHJ and POP, as well as GET and PUT to alter the return address register
03:11:29 <zzo38> And then Z-machine code is another different thing: Subroutines must be aligned and must begin with a header specifying the local variables, and there is no way to find the return address. There are built-in stack frames.
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03:15:13 <zzo38> And then, TAVERN does not have any relative jumps at all, making it more difficult.
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04:08:09 <imode> has anybody seen u0_a101 lately?
04:09:33 <imode> the last time I saw him was back in august..
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05:55:04 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Quiddity * New user account
05:57:01 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58670&oldid=58657 * Quiddity * (+173) add self
06:03:18 <esowiki> [[SARTRE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58671&oldid=36242 * Quiddity * (+374) add description, fix link, remove {{stub}}
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08:19:52 <zzo38> I have now set up a Netsubscribe server, as well as the interface to use it with twtxt. Subscriptions are not yet implemented, but perhaps in future it might be
08:20:42 <zzo38> Do you like this?
08:21:32 <myname> what does that even mean
08:23:42 <zzo38> Netsubscribe is a protocol I invented. I have also implemented a program called "netsubsc", which is available at the Fossil repository: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/netsubsc.ui/ Currenly subscriptions/notifications are not implemented, although I intend it will be in future (you are free to help if you want to do!) Try connecting to my computer on port 9296
08:26:51 <zzo38> The protocol documentation is http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/netsubscribe I mentioned this before on here too
08:26:55 <zzo38> Does that explain?
08:28:33 <esowiki> [[Butng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58672&oldid=58664 * Baidicoot * (+30) /* Placeholder Law */
08:28:40 <esowiki> [[One Instruction Set Computer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58673 * Ais523 * (+18) redirect from the expansion of the acronym to the page about it
08:28:49 <rain1> yeah I like it
08:28:53 <esowiki> [[Category:OISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58674&oldid=46454 * Ais523 * (+4) link from category to the mainspace article on the subject
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08:46:42 <esowiki> [[Butng]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58675&oldid=58672 * Baidicoot * (+375) /* Scopes */
08:47:34 <myname> do you reinvent the early internet?
08:53:04 <zzo38> I did not reinvent the internet; it is the same internet that it always is
08:53:45 <zzo38> It is still version 4; it is not version 1 of the internet
09:00:07 <esowiki> [[Simpler Subskin]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58676 * Ais523 * (+4107) new language
09:00:45 <esowiki> [[Simpler Subskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58677&oldid=58676 * Ais523 * (+17) /* Definition */ clarify the irreversibility
09:01:32 <esowiki> [[Subskin]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58678&oldid=54349 * Ais523 * (+22) /* See also */ [[Simpler Subskin]]
09:02:06 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58679&oldid=58656 * Ais523 * (+22) /* S */ +[[Simpler Subskin]]
09:02:41 <esowiki> [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58680&oldid=58487 * Ais523 * (+21) +[[Simpler Subskin]]
09:03:43 <esowiki> [[Simpler Subskin]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58681&oldid=58677 * Ais523 * (+0) /* Definition */ fix thinko
09:06:53 <esowiki> [[OISC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58682&oldid=56652 * Ais523 * (+142) /* List of OISCs */ +[[Simpler Subskin]]
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09:46:14 <oerjan> @ask Sgeo_ <Sgeo_> ...darn I just wanted to say something to oerjan about Archie search being dead <-- you're complaining about a file i probably haven't touched in two decades?
09:46:14 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:47:15 <oerjan> yep, 1994
09:50:55 <Taneb> Wow, there's about a 5/6 chance that was before I was born
09:58:27 <oerjan> Taneb: 14 March to be precise
09:58:42 <oerjan> (pi day)
09:59:26 <oerjan> the time of day is probably not precise, seems to be listed as 12:00 for all the files
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10:04:37 <Taneb> oerjan: that is before I was born
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10:14:41 <shachaf> Taneb: it was a 100% chance hth
10:21:07 <Taneb> shachaf: only retroactively
10:35:24 <shachaf> Taneb: Haneb
10:35:31 <shachaf> invent anything good lately?
10:35:41 <Taneb> I don't think so
10:35:50 <Taneb> I've been busy
10:35:56 <shachaf> maybe a fancy superhuman ai?
10:36:20 <Taneb> I would be surprised if I had
10:36:52 <shachaf> `? tanebventions
10:36:54 <HackEso> Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
10:37:04 <shachaf> `? the limerick
10:37:06 <HackEso> the limerick? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
10:37:09 <shachaf> `? limerick
10:37:10 <HackEso> A limerick is a verse with two left metrical feet and three right metrical feet.
10:37:32 <shachaf> `? special relativity
10:37:33 <HackEso> special relativity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
10:38:03 <shachaf> `? annus mirabilis
10:38:07 <HackEso> annus mirabilis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
10:39:17 <shachaf> 1994: the year Taneb invented the universe
10:39:50 <shachaf> (or the other way around)
10:47:37 <oerjan> `` dowg tanebvention | grep relativ
10:47:39 <HackEso> 9258:2016-10-13 <shachäf> slwd tanebvention//s#the triverse#special relativity#
10:47:44 <oerjan> hm
10:48:05 <oerjan> `slwd tanebvention//s;, special relativity;;
10:48:12 <HackEso> tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
10:49:18 <oerjan> `? grace period
10:49:19 <HackEso> The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma.
10:49:28 <oerjan> `? oxford comma
10:49:29 <HackEso> oxford comma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
10:49:42 <oerjan> `grwp oxford
10:49:43 <HackEso> No output.
10:49:51 <oerjan> `grWp oxford
10:49:52 <HackEso> grace period:The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma. \ oxford:Oxford is the home of English, woven shirts, and the serial comma. \ tanebvention:Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the Oxford comma, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or ta
10:50:14 <oerjan> `2 grWp oxford
10:50:18 <HackEso> 2/2:r tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
10:50:20 <Taneb> oerjan: things I haven't invented yet include Indiana Jones, the Oxford comma and a very long piece of rope
10:50:38 <Taneb> Although that does remind me of something I did invent
10:51:03 <Taneb> A new unit of time, the light-piece of string, which is the time it takes for light to travel the length of a piece of string in a vacuum
10:51:08 <oerjan> `slwd tanebvention//s;, the Oxford comma;;
10:51:10 <HackEso> tanebvention//Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
10:51:35 <oerjan> `slwd grace period//s;.$;, but he ran out anyway.;
10:51:37 <HackEso> grace period//The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma, but he ran out anyway.
10:52:13 <oerjan> `doag tanebvention | grep xford
10:52:16 <HackEso> No output.
10:52:26 <oerjan> `dowg tanebvention | grep xford
10:52:28 <HackEso> No output.
10:52:31 <oerjan> wat
10:52:41 <Taneb> Considering where I live maybe I should invent the Cambridge comma instead
10:53:00 <oerjan> `` dowg tanebvention | grep xford
10:53:02 <HackEso> 11673:2018-12-11 <oerjän> slwd tanebvention//s;, the Oxford comma;; \ 9222:2016-10-10 <shachäf> slwd tanebvention//s#and#the Oxford comma, and#
10:55:46 <oerjan> `? italian
10:55:46 <HackEso> italian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
10:55:50 <oerjan> shocking
10:55:58 <oerjan> `dowg italian
10:55:59 <HackEso> No output.
10:56:06 <oerjan> `grWp italian
10:56:09 <HackEso> tanebvention:Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex. \ virgil:Virgil is a prayer at dawn, as well as an ancient Italian poet who led Dante to hell so they can ask the blind transgendered see
10:56:17 <oerjan> `2 grWp italian
10:56:18 <HackEso> 2/2: seer Anchises stupid politics questions concerning contemporary noble families.
10:56:46 * oerjan smells b_jonas in the second one
10:57:32 <oerjan> `le/rn italian//Italian is the most melodious language known. Taneb invented it to sing better in the shower.
10:57:34 <HackEso> Learned 'italian': Italian is the most melodious language known. Taneb invented it to sing better in the shower.
10:59:22 * oerjan worries if that's too private.
10:59:55 <oerjan> Taneb: you don't happen to sing in a choir, do you?
11:00:00 <Taneb> oerjan: no
11:00:09 <Taneb> I am trying to learn Italian, though
11:00:43 <oerjan> i guess that'll have to do.
11:01:15 <shachaf> Taneb: How long is a piece of string?
11:02:22 <shachaf> oerjan: whoa whoa whoa, what happened to `learn
11:02:33 <shachaf> tdnh
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11:04:16 <shachaf> Taneb: did you invent the photoelectric effect also
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11:12:54 <esowiki> [[Talk:Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58683&oldid=58650 * Oerjan * (+298) /* Name */ It makes perfect sense. Trust me.
11:13:56 <Taneb> I tried to watch Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster once
11:14:05 <oerjan> shachaf: oops. i think i started thinking up something where "Italian" wasn't first, then changed my mind.
11:14:55 <oerjan> Taneb: was it too horrible to contemplate?
11:15:06 <Taneb> oerjan: it was just kind of boring
11:15:10 <oerjan> ah.
11:15:18 <Taneb> Might have helped if I'd seen the first two
11:15:47 <oerjan> `grWp einstein
11:15:48 <HackEso> einstein:einstein is a germaneau for "a stone"
11:16:07 <int-e> germaneau?
11:16:43 <int-e> `` diff bin/grwp bin/grWp
11:16:44 <HackEso> 1,2c1 \ < #! /bin/bash \ < cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -R "$@" -- * \ --- \ > grwp -i "$@"
11:16:55 <int-e> ah
11:17:19 <int-e> so much insensitivity
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11:31:40 <esowiki> [[SARTRE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58684&oldid=58671 * Oerjan * (+34) Bare URLs are scow
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11:32:15 <esowiki> [[Template:Catseye]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58685&oldid=36281 * Oerjan * (+1) Use https
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11:34:48 <oerjan> i suppose a lot of catseye links are broken nowadays, the template is for the site moving, not cpressey reorganizing...
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11:39:19 <wob_jonas> oerjan: maybe cpressey is reorganizing the sane way, with proper redirects so that all old links continue to work?
11:42:13 <oerjan> no, the link prior to Quiddity's edit was broken.
11:54:31 <wob_jonas> ais523: something like that could be done for x86_64, but it's hard, because can't easily get named symbols, unless, you can do advanced search-and-replaces with backrefs, like in sed, or replaces into the search patterns, like in Fuun DNA or /// .
11:55:02 <wob_jonas> you could still do something without that, but it involves the runtime starting by making a jump table or even a full dynamic linker.
11:56:21 <wob_jonas> the simplest is probably to just set up a global table that you can index with small integers and points to globals, and put a simple header in front of functions that at the start of runtime searches for the start of the next header and fills the entry with a specified index in the global table.
11:56:33 <wob_jonas> That's a bit ugly, but could be done rather easily, with just simple search and replace.
11:57:00 <wob_jonas> The runtime would probably have to read through all the code in linear once at start time to locate the headers, but that's not too bad.
11:57:11 <wob_jonas> Linear time in code size that is.
11:58:09 <wob_jonas> But it's hard to tell what doesn't count as cheating, since the runtime could involve a whole interpreter.
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13:59:03 <esowiki> [[Rotten]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58686 * FireCubez * (+493) Created page with "'''Rotten''' is a joke esolang whose programs can have 2 forms: * <code><string></code> - Implicitly converted to `13$<string>` * <code><n>$<string></code> - Unescape the str..."
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14:08:58 <esowiki> [[Rotten]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58687&oldid=58686 * FireCubez * (+298)
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14:25:04 <esowiki> [[Rotten]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58688&oldid=58687 * FireCubez * (+2) /* Fibonacci Sequence */
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15:07:08 <esowiki> [[Butng]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58689&oldid=58675 * Plokmijnuhby * (+0) Most languages use backslashes as escapes, but HTML likes to do its own thing.
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17:07:40 <esowiki> [[Butng]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58690&oldid=58689 * Baidicoot * (-44) Rephrased out 'value' for clarity
17:10:03 <esowiki> [[Butng]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58691&oldid=58690 * Baidicoot * (+61) actually finished a sentance
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18:04:28 * oerjan frappe Luciole -----###
18:06:38 <int-e> brutal
18:07:52 <oerjan> the french verb seems a bit less specific
18:08:00 <Luciole> Ou!
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18:52:13 * oerjan ATCHOO
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20:55:38 <oren> oerjan: le force de frappe
21:12:37 <oerjan> *la
21:17:36 <int-e> . o O ( A guillotine is the ultimate hair-splitting device. )
21:28:22 * oerjan atischo
21:29:36 <int-e> “Ring – a – ring of roses, a pocketful of posies, Atischo, Atischo, We all fall DOWN.”?!!!!
21:32:26 <int-e> (also it appears that "attischo" is the preferred spelling)
21:34:27 <int-e> fun. https://quizlet.com/107613526/grade-8-history-the-bubonic-plague-test-4-flash-cards/
22:05:03 <esowiki> [[User:BradensEsolangs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58692&oldid=58654 * BradensEsolangs * (+51)
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22:58:06 <oren> eh k s eh k s eh k s t eh n t aa s iy ow n
23:08:16 <oren> stupid mumble rapper stop having marginal phonemes in your stupid ass names
23:10:53 <oren> we don't have a fucking nasal o in our ENGLISH language model
23:11:05 <oren> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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