< 1548115576 223308 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548115983 887271 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-191.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1548117261 261734 :uplime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1548117430 717351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1548118442 824821 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : > 1548120545 160137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59359&oldid=59345 5* 03Ais523 5* (+104) 10Undo revision 59345 by [[Special:Contributions/Oerjan|Oerjan]] ([[User talk:Oerjan|talk]]): it's talking about the user''name'', not the user''page'' < 1548122659 932261 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evlknesubhohlvdz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1548123053 124898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59360 5* 03Cortex 5* (+1845) 10Created page with "'''Unified HQ9+''' is a language made by [[User:Cortex|]] to unify all HQ9+ variants. It includes commands from just about every HQ9+ variant [[User:Cortex|Quine]] could find,..." > 1548123073 999429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59361&oldid=59360 5* 03Cortex 5* (-4) 10 > 1548123140 189417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59362&oldid=59333 5* 03Cortex 5* (+19) 10 > 1548123201 232877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59363&oldid=59361 5* 03Cortex 5* (+13) 10 > 1548124373 659399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Esofabrv 5* 10New user account < 1548125207 408313 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1548125254 330455 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59364&oldid=59319 5* 03Esofabrv 5* (+177) 10/* Introductions */ < 1548125413 434345 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548125805 569162 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1548125829 726997 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1548126099 183001 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automata on complete graphs correspond directly to something like multiset rewriting or counter machines. < 1548129679 227015 :uplime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1548129789 470496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59365&oldid=59363 5* 03Cortex 5* (+426) 10 < 1548130005 360299 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1548130321 182862 :uplime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1548130403 961360 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 > 1548131057 289272 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59366&oldid=59365 5* 03Cortex 5* (+352) 10 > 1548131093 988269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:General disclaimer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59367&oldid=47089 5* 03Cortex 5* (+38) 10 < 1548133913 648052 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1548136136 429541 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two ways to define a cellular automaton to me: one that specifies rewrite rules for different neighborhoods over some kind of topology, and one that defines these neighborhoods without mentioning any specific spatial arrangement of cell states. < 1548136185 206333 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the difference between saying "This cell is in state 1 if the north cell is in state 0, the south cell is in state 1, the east cell is in state 0, and the west cell is in state 1" and "This cell is in state 1 if at least 2 of its neighbors are in state 1." < 1548136285 825957 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are areas where these two styles of definition break down. one in particular is cellular automata defined over complete graphs. the idea of rewrite rules breaks down because the neighborhood for a given cell in a complete graph is the rest of the graph, i.e every other node. < 1548136319 583756 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ruleset would be _giant_ for even moderately sized complete graphs. < 1548136371 548770 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these problems go away if you use the other definition method. if you do that, the entire system is reduced to something like multiset rewriting, or counter automata. < 1548136455 747228 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ruleset is reduced to "how many of my neighbors are in these states", vs. "is anybody near me in these specific positions in this state." < 1548136595 2208 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start pondering what's more "fundamental" at this point. if we assume a totally connected neighborhood, we throw out any assumption of any "place" in space being further than any other place: anywhere's just one hop away, no matter what. < 1548136689 28201 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you arrive at multiset rewriting/counter automata just by a reduction (or rather, explosion) of a traditional cellular automaton, there should be something to that. < 1548136827 557183 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :petri nets seem to be calling out to me. < 1548141160 243077 :uplime!~nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1548141848 712420 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jcqnbftwnurdordo JOIN :#esoteric < 1548143321 805777 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1548143436 407225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59368&oldid=59366 5* 03Cortex 5* (+6) 10 > 1548143456 198250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59369&oldid=59368 5* 03Cortex 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1548144453 395813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59370&oldid=59369 5* 03Cortex 5* (+407) 10 < 1548144811 374610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About "Unwinnable by Design" on the All The Tropes wiki (which mentions zarf's cruelty scale), for "Paranoia" it mentions "even if the GM can't think of a way to succeed, throw it at them anyway, they might come up with something"; I think it is a good idea (not only for Paranoia, but for other systems too). Otherwise, the game is too easy, isn't it? < 1548145050 195131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tvtropes < 1548145051 292966 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll write about TVTropes here, we just have to finish these tabs first. < 1548145497 603807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1548146782 99276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1548146783 649100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 220820Z 09005KT CAVOK M12/M14 Q1006 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 14011KT < 1548146786 933365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr < 1548148807 361446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1548148807 996201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 220850Z VRB01KT CAVOK M04/M09 Q1012 R08/19//95 NOSIG < 1548148812 920995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, you win. < 1548149077 430716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak < 1548149078 25359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 220853Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 09/04 A3034 RMK AO2 SLP272 T00940044 51008 < 1548149361 214543 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1548149874 533882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if durkon hasn't had proper beer for 20 years he should be careful with it... < 1548149952 974754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there'll be plenty of humor opportunities if he's not) < 1548150071 913548 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should look at what the hell these meta ourputs mean sometime < 1548150639 987611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metar < 1548150641 274086 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar is a service Taneb invented that allows nerds to talk about the weather. > 1548151156 737363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:General disclaimer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59371&oldid=59367 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10WARNING: This formatting is broken. < 1548151240 789128 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another tanebvention. okay < 1548151349 414171 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's really getting out of hand I'm afraid < 1548151587 125491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh, you invented METAR? < 1548151611 54594 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it would seem so! < 1548151631 613699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode The second kind of CA you mention is called "totalistic" iirc. < 1548151632 16089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1548151641 529751 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't remember the big inventors. edison, newton, tesla, taneb, ... < 1548151907 456926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode for two-valued cells, anyway, there might be more than one way to define it if there are more values. < 1548151907 771511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1548152003 932296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :2019 IOCCC ends March 15th -- http://www.ioccc.org/2019/rules.txt | Welcome to the international corncob for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1548152029 628207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure news items should be first if anyone's going to see them < 1548153511 93477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :topics are written, never read hth < 1548153705 372683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1548155305 614677 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1548155330 238185 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1548155435 534352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later > 1548156632 411987 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Weirdlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59372&oldid=58984 5* 03Weirdlang 5* (+5) 10 < 1548158346 468610 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encode your data into folds in one direction, you could use a shredder as a photocopier < 1548158541 115807 :SubstheTechnoman!b75213db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.82.19.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548158619 155291 :SubstheTechnoman!b75213db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.82.19.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls < 1548158674 554099 :SubstheTechnoman!b75213db@gateway/web/freenode/ip.183.82.19.219 QUIT :Client Quit < 1548158928 391225 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548159027 286121 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yeah, they're in a bit of a cryptic format with lots of extensions and freedom in it. I believe the "09005KT" means wind from the direction of 90 degrees (East), with speed of 05 knots, both numbers in decimal; < 1548159055 919612 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1548159072 560691 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My problem with metar is I can never remember my nearest airport's IATA code < 1548159079 959672 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to look at cryptic commands from some GDS recently, those are as horrible < 1548159082 413825 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOSIG means something about good visibility in visible light spectrum and lack of certain kinds of clouds, Q1012 is barometric pressure, < 1548159084 698974 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGSC apparently < 1548159090 591547 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGSC < 1548159091 278208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGSC 221150Z 26009KT 9999 FEW030 05/00 Q1001 < 1548159115 280820 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LHBP < 1548159115 721765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHBP 221200Z 06005KT 020V110 7000 SCT040 BKN120 M03/M06 Q1014 NOSIG < 1548159133 999029 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought airports are three-lettered? < 1548159139 378034 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jcqnbftwnurdordo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1548159141 463573 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: that's a different code < 1548159150 411782 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1548159153 563366 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I had the names backwards < 1548159159 86957 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IATA is 3 letters, ICAO is 4 < 1548159167 586921 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the "Q1012" means that the equivalent barometric pressure at sea level is 101200 Pa, < 1548159230 20893 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_airport_code#ICAO_codes_vs._IATA_codes < 1548159236 36850 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "M03/" is the temperature, the "221200Z" is an incomplete timestamp of the observation meaning ---22T12:00 UTC, with the year and month unspecified but hopefully close to the current date < 1548159267 384694 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "M03/" is air temperature of -03 deg C < 1548159318 224480 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "/M06" means the dew point (the temperature at which the air couldn't hold all the water it has in gas form) is -06 degrees C < 1548159328 688961 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "LHBP" at the start is the location of course < 1548159347 37280 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other variable parts of the metar too, but I don't really know how they work < 1548159362 304594 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@77.79.140.88.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1548159804 147286 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the "SCT040 BKN210" is also about the clouds < 1548159845 444776 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"020V110" is additional info about the wind < 1548159935 835339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOSIG is just "NO SIGnificant changes expected in the near term" < 1548159942 147759 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1548159954 631796 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which code says that it's not raining? < 1548159958 533507 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not snowing < 1548159963 552148 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precipitation that is < 1548159965 44068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of "RA" or "SN" anywhere. < 1548159972 841516 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1548160008 664628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can also be -RA or +RA for little rain or heavy rain, respectively.) < 1548160010 789035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1548160011 399812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 221220Z AUTO 27008KT 9999 NCD 06/02 Q1002 NOSIG < 1548160025 70522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heathrow METARs are always so short. < 1548160035 713482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But at least it's a nice day.) < 1548160058 962104 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the 9999 mean? < 1548160059 4845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK < 1548160059 767508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 221220Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW047 SCT200 M18/M19 Q1014 NOSIG < 1548160064 943875 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that command also work with iata codes? < 1548160067 19142 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visibility? < 1548160074 2233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's the visibility thing, yes. < 1548160075 661705 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, there's not always a nice correspondence < 1548160088 387205 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1548160093 933255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You can look up the corresponding ICAO code with `iata though. < 1548160095 736010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata HEL < 1548160096 583785 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki Vantaa (HEL, EFHK) < 1548160106 587190 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata BER < 1548160107 506478 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Berlin Brandenburg Willy Brandt (BER, EDDB) < 1548160117 29127 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1548160118 655854 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either code for Cambridge < 1548160126 368459 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EDDB < 1548160127 9187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDB 221220Z 17006KT CAVOK M00/M05 Q1012 NOSIG < 1548160131 262459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, `airport searches all the fields, including the name. < 1548160133 560086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport cambridge < 1548160134 396074 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge Bay (YCB, CYCB) \ Cambridge (CBG, EGSC) \ Cambridge Municipal Airport (CDI, ?) < 1548160144 68026 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, nice < 1548160151 422206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's quite a few steps to go for your weather. < 1548160151 544445 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge is an international airport with no flights < 1548160397 359810 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I should buy an indoor/outdoor thermometer for home. I'll have some difficulty to place the outdoor sensor properly, but it'll still be better than nothing. < 1548160502 291604 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a command that takes the IATA code as input and tells the timezone used for that airport in commercial passenger airport tickets? < 1548160534 37423 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a database of such timezone assignments external to HackEso somewherE? < 1548161166 727793 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1548161297 667507 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1548161310 718883 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1548161384 415313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell wob_jonas The share/airports.dat file used by `airport and friends -- from https://openflights.org/data.html -- has the timezone in the 10th column, though the HackEso commands don't use it at the moment. < 1548161384 886469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1548161598 277315 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548161600 453114 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1548161615 34616 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1548161781 456023 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: Rules for daylight savings time change from year to year and from country to country. The current data is an approximation for 2009, built on a country level. Most airports in DST-less regions in countries that generally observe DST (eg. AL, HI in the USA, NT, QL in Australia, parts of Canada) are marked incorrectly." hmm < 1548161787 225421 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically they don't really know for sure either < 1548161788 814957 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1548161914 496767 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fucking typical < 1548163247 122821 :ais523_!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548163255 271101 :ais523_!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 NICK :ais523 < 1548163257 282499 :ais523!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1548163257 770749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3d 3h 30m 29s ago: i've assumed Areallycoolusername was A almost from the start, but lately e's putting in so much effort to use both while not confusing them that i was starting to < 1548163257 810233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder... < 1548163273 119308 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1548163285 323322 :ais523!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 NICK :ais523_ < 1548163337 10788 :ais523_!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_jonas > 1548163825 917364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blindfolded Arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59373&oldid=58810 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (-25) 10not output only, it has input > 1548164100 776343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unified HQ9+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59374 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+832) 10how to HQ9++ < 1548165525 285096 :ais523_!93bcc3b0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.176 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1548166179 714280 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, I just found a list I made in 2007, when M:tG only had five 2/2 vanilla creature cards for 1G (counting by different English names), and five 3/3 vanilla creature cards for 3R. Now it has eight of each. < 1548166583 688937 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly one of the three new 2/2 vanillas for 1G is an elf, which could perhaps be more useful than yet another bear. < 1548166629 49020 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably still wouldn't use it, beacuse Elvish Warrior is just so much more useful, and there isn't a lack of good small elves. < 1548166662 753964 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's at least more interesting than the bears. < 1548166856 156872 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The five vanilla bears are because three of them come from Portal and Ice Age, which didn't have reprints for historical reasons, and then they made Runeclaw Bear for a core set with the official excuse that they wanted all creatures to have fantasy names, not the name of real animals. > 1548167585 17240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iterating quine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59375&oldid=59354 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+3667) 10some advice on constructing these (and why they're less impressive than they look) > 1548167665 65884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iterating quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59376&oldid=59375 5* 03Ais523 non-admin 5* (+1) 10/* Constructing an iterating quine */ grammar < 1548168020 544921 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I inspired ais to write an article < 1548168195 155708 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1548168303 5956 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548168451 536585 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1548168451 620498 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1548170929 399478 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1548172414 216781 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1548173570 403782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1548174223 270415 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 < 1548175602 886355 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1548175661 118293 :kiki_!39542112@gateway/web/freenode/ip.57.84.33.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548175684 582619 :kiki_!39542112@gateway/web/freenode/ip.57.84.33.18 NICK :Guest24274 < 1548175737 759121 :Guest24274!39542112@gateway/web/freenode/ip.57.84.33.18 QUIT :Client Quit < 1548176668 604075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548176695 204708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm fed up of people thinking that iterating quines are more impressive than normal quines < 1548176851 398379 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're exactly as hard but you need to know two languages < 1548176913 974068 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I guess they're marginally more impressive? < 1548177029 531259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1548177101 293901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548177584 631377 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they may actually be easier (A Perl -> Brainfuck -> Perl quine is easier than a Brainfuck quine, since one can use a trivial string -> brainfuck converter rather than brainfuck code that somehow replicates its own data section) < 1548177612 579684 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but harder than a perl quine < 1548177626 716081 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, slightly < 1548177627 961226 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you need to know enough brainfuck or string to brainfuck converters < 1548177640 86761 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's slightly harder than the easiest language < 1548177658 431253 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the "seed" language < 1548177661 502762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was my point, basically < 1548177664 334196 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not enough to really be worth it < 1548177826 172810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said I find the 100+ language one impressive... not in principle, but the fact that it fits into 16kb. < 1548177848 697471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I suspect that some of the intermediate programs are much larger. < 1548177851 835856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) > 1548177864 308293 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fuckfukc 5* 10New user account > 1548177949 396080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59377&oldid=59364 5* 03Fuckfukc 5* (+212) 10/* Introductions */ > 1548178027 123934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59378&oldid=59341 5* 03Fuckfukc 5* (-38308) 10Replaced content with "this is a brainfuck clone so it doesnt deserve a page" < 1548178328 663394 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... > 1548178425 477656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59379&oldid=59378 5* 03Int-e 5* (+38308) 10Undo revision 59378 by [[Special:Contributions/Fuckfukc|Fuckfukc]] ([[User talk:Fuckfukc|talk]]) ... this is the original, not a clone. > 1548178488 380322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03FuckfukcFuckfukc 5* 10New user account < 1548178567 187518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi, im very interested in esolangs and have created many turing complete simple esolangs, all tape based with 8 instructions" <-- this is a cute introduction though ... > 1548178635 790648 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59380&oldid=59377 5* 03FuckfukcFuckfukc 5* (+1356) 10 > 1548178668 599756 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Int-e14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59381&oldid=44426 5* 03Int-e 5* (+14) 10lower profile > 1548178679 812516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59382&oldid=56043 5* 03FuckfukcFuckfukc 5* (-4414) 10Replaced content with "An '''esoteric programming language''' (ess-oh-terr-ick), or '''esolang''', is a tape based lang with 8 insturctoins. FffffffFfffff an example of this is fortnite" > 1548178744 163244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59383&oldid=59382 5* 03Int-e 5* (+4414) 10Undo revision 59382 by [[Special:Contributions/FuckfukcFuckfukc|FuckfukcFuckfukc]] ([[User talk:FuckfukcFuckfukc|talk]]) undo vandalism < 1548178797 583604 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this may be worthy of your attention (or possibly fizzie's of the people I can see around) < 1548178803 727253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm already on it > 1548178819 149712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:FuckfukcFuckfukc10]] with an expiration time of 1 week (account creation disabled): Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages < 1548178840 678118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost blocked you by mistake, the buttons to block the person who made the original edit and the person who made the revert are right next to each other < 1548178860 825793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. But I think I'd survive that :) < 1548178901 997325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: note that they have two users > 1548179004 552303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:Fuckfukc10]] with an expiration time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): alternate account of blocked [[User:FuckfukcFuckfukc]] < 1548179016 801613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: was checking it was only two (but as far as I can tell, it is) > 1548179045 94658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59384&oldid=59380 5* 03Ais523 5* (-1356) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/FuckfukcFuckfukc|FuckfukcFuckfukc]] ([[User talk:FuckfukcFuckfukc|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Fuckfukc|Fuckfukc]] < 1548179222 245340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1548179272 280971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "right next to" I mean on opposite sides of the screen in the same position, so that they're mentally next to each other rather than physically next to each other) < 1548179307 441718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay for bad UI design. < 1548179323 568596 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I understand. the impressive part might be installing interpreters for all those 120 or so languages. they don't seem to be chosen in such a way as to be easy to install interpreters, eg. they aren't esolangs with a 2K long reference interpreter in perl and nothing else. < 1548179343 723324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, I know the quines themselves aren't hard to construct < 1548179354 212195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIO is more impressive on that basis < 1548179425 142590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "TIO"? < 1548179433 507089 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is a malbolge quine. < 1548179448 101793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://tio.run/ < 1548179470 151422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has links with the esolang community among a few different axes < 1548179481 933064 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that online interpreter < 1548179484 659676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is impressive < 1548179544 52160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose I knew about the Malbolge prime once upon a time, but I had forgotten. The connection to the discussion above is that a Brainfuck->Malbolge->Brainfuck cyclic quine would be far less impressive.) < 1548179570 39629 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? prime < 1548179571 246386 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1548179578 796048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1548179580 211249 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is "overreachtorridbittenmandible". < 1548179584 344001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahright < 1548179593 119676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the password of the month actually do anything? < 1548179609 734426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The primes of the year are 3 and 673. ) < 1548179625 788075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's usually changed once per month by somebody... < 1548179635 117351 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean this particular one? < 1548179644 790635 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not as far as I know. I was wondering if there's a joke language where programs only work if they contain a current or recent password of the month in the source code, as a parody to requiring a monthly license to run the program. < 1548179646 739441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas set it, I think. < 1548179649 505157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I mean, does it have any use? despite changing once per month < 1548179666 329422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it was some sort of CAPTCHA to something < 1548179667 170965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you're ever struggling to find a password... < 1548179673 485871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I set this one < 1548179684 240225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you can find one here that you should definitely not use. < 1548179690 67745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've considered creating an esolang whose specification requires sending me money in order to run programs (if you didn't do so, the programs would still work, you'd just be violating the specification) < 1548179700 565339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a parody of paid/commercial languages < 1548179702 811569 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1548179716 362596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So, no, there's no real purpose. < 1548179725 518338 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me < 1548179732 761096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond a little entertainment, obviously. < 1548179764 831337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that called the Ethereum VM? :P < 1548179790 240407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in Ethereum there's an actual practical reason for paying for cycles < 1548179800 480523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the K programming language has a license where if you buy a K license, then you're allowed to distribute K programs with the K interpreter executable bundled with it (they provide some sort of tool for that I assume), but only if the program doesn't expose the K interpreter itself in a form usable to the users < 1548179806 487290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I noted a while ago that Ethereum has become the world's biggest nomic, and most successful codenomic) < 1548179831 225983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky part in this is that K is an essentially interpreted language, so it's easy to write a program that accidentally exposes the K interpreter < 1548179848 80021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually have to be careful if you want to write a program that doesn't expose it, in a security way, and the K language doesn't help you in this < 1548179860 354198 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wonder, is it possible to make an esolang that has even more of this property, < 1548179869 856546 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you're still paying for running code that serves no real purpose ) < 1548179885 348830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, one where it's hard to write programs that can't be used as a complete interpreter for the language, but for some interesting reason, < 1548179893 742459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whom am I kidding...) < 1548179909 209147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a trivial reason like how metafont doesn't have a primitive to parse an integer, and Knuth recommends that you use the eval primitive to do that < 1548179985 61817 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I should write that quine suite thing for the PCG challenge too... < 1548179985 429327 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so you need plausible deniability if you do expose the interpreter? < 1548179987 259622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is it possible to write a reverse Muriel, somehow? a language where instead of needing to quine for control flow, you need to write a self-interpreter for control flow? < 1548179996 524573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implies a very strange memory model, some sort of streaming system < 1548179998 75306 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( deniable plausibility ) < 1548180015 944868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no but I'm going to think about it, because if the answer is yes it'd be really interesting < 1548180040 48515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: dunno, the whole thing seems pointless for _distributing executables_, as opposed to, say, running an interactive service on the internet that works with untrusted input < 1548180097 692253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? isn't /// the language where you need to write a quine to get control flow? < 1548180114 544698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Muriel was the original, I think < 1548180123 962645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quite a few languages have that property < 1548180133 890446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Underload is in a weird space, whether it has that property or not depends on how you interpret the spec) < 1548180136 108492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Endo's DNA too, only that one is also designed to make it very easy to write a quine < 1548180496 528763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see, so Muriel has a built-in quotemeta operator, just like Endo DNA, to make it easier to write a quine, unlike /// < 1548181156 490494 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1548181183 307363 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1548182114 999820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1548182115 80997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1548182115 81060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1548184252 421704 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 35+85+15 < 1548184253 48234 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 135 < 1548184843 805078 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that reminds me of the theoretical problem I saw: imagne a programming language that only has '' qoutes < 1548184869 372029 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only have '' tpye quotes it is impossible to output the ' character < 1548184954 524490 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess you also have to have restrictions on manipulating characters, but it seems easy for a minimalistic language to accidentally have this restriction) < 1548185097 421210 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: that depends on how the quotes work. in some languages like (at least some dialects of) SQL and pascal, two apostrophes inside a string means an apostrophe. in others, like BASIC, there's just no way to directly write the delimiter inside a string literal. < 1548185143 233921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Underload can't output mismatched parentheses for this reason < 1548185146 975520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no Underload program that prints ( < 1548185212 767953 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, some of those languages also don't allow you to put a newline in a string literal, < 1548185230 634964 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even perl doesn't allow you to put an unescaped crlf in a string literal, you have to use backslash escapes or some other construction for that < 1548185321 574228 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit more complicated than that... the crlf gets translated to an lf before perl even parses the string literal, as if it read the source code in crlf mode (but *DATA in binary mode), but you can call eval directly to skip that step < 1548185353 853400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-116.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the evaled code string can have a string literal with unescaped crlf in it < 1548185599 113894 :ZM!4d0bb7de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.183.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548185804 538414 :ZM!4d0bb7de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.11.183.222 QUIT :Client Quit < 1548186094 958532 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cileelmxwwwzdrft JOIN :#esoteric < 1548191474 427973 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1548193045 570511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1548193069 298123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1548193553 385731 :helichopper!~kyle@static-50-53-175-27.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1548194591 122219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59385&oldid=59370 5* 03Cortex 5* (-9) 10/* Examples */ > 1548194806 288117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59386&oldid=59385 5* 03Cortex 5* (+0) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1548194870 594525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59387&oldid=59386 5* 03Cortex 5* (+0) 10/* Hello, World! */ < 1548196237 872685 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1548196921 232043 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds