> 1551658367 864936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cortex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60227&oldid=60224 5* 03Cortex 5* (+360) 10 > 1551658741 84131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60228&oldid=60220 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10/* Language overview */ sp < 1551658788 411478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki's default diff is so annoying for checking anything other than small localized changes (and even then beware of newlines) < 1551658820 317302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess i trust b_jonas not be doing vandalism when moving sections :) < 1551658849 559292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i cannot see whether he edited anything at the same time, though. < 1551658907 785035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION always uses WikEdDiff [sp?] on wikipedia, unless the changes are so big it starts gobbling cpu < 1551658950 758961 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551659007 324578 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1551659096 202648 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1551659156 738704 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60229&oldid=60221 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+95) 10Make a policy for putting the foot down so I can start deleting things that don't belong < 1551659311 254615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that doesn't quite work. < 1551659433 305845 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you shouldn't trust me. and I did edit something: I turned the Etymology thing to a deeper level header < 1551659437 212352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itymology < 1551659438 339152 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement. > 1551659465 939627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60230&oldid=60229 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-95) 10Undo revision 60229 by [[Special:Contributions/Oerjan|Oerjan]] ([[User talk:Oerjan|talk]]) (OK this doesn't work, the already existing entries have too much ambiguity) < 1551659497 480840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think i noticed that. i meant editing things inside what you moved. < 1551659500 673628 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I probably don't vandalize it, but I might still make bad changes < 1551659533 862403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, you made a spelling error :P < 1551659553 264045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :several, on IRC today < 1551659675 647987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Works in progress page should probably have been a category from the start. < 1551659782 926880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like some entries are just collaborations between a couple people < 1551659799 60881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't imply everyone else is invite to change the specs < 1551659806 752572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but you all have been scaring people from creating categories. < 1551659822 872285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that occured to me too < 1551659990 138203 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551660147 854960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itymology is such a good word < 1551660159 888423 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a wiki may be a good tool to collaborate on creating a specification < 1551660169 189612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a blurb for befunge when nominating it was a good idea, although i'm not sure if we should require it from nominators < 1551660183 639811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll probably speed up things) < 1551660198 950383 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the hard part is probably still getting the article to a betters tate < 1551660217 774664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have to start writing the blurb tool, so I thought I'd start < 1551660258 447373 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions on the nomination page seem a bit obsolete, and not reflecting the current reality of how the featured language box works now < 1551660339 39312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the current reality is that it didn't work for 5 years < 1551660348 507106 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1551660662 262416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1551661333 504356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Windows 5* 10New user account < 1551662443 751128 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vspvzkrgabrhkeyk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1551662747 678689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good username < 1551663035 701419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551663377 939419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think we need some kind of policy that admin involvement in a featured language doesn't count if all active admins agree to it. otherwise we'll never get Underload featured :P < 1551663408 799498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :persuade fizzie to do it :-P < 1551663418 954585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nominate underload, hth < 1551663424 341704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he implemented it in fungot :P < 1551663424 429023 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but fnord is written in < 1551663445 895724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everyone has implemented bf < 1551663449 7246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was still featured < 1551663453 972857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think that counts as "involvement". < 1551663458 53104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you feeling involved? < 1551663458 126272 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( iirc) is a good < 1551663469 77643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fungot for wiki admin < 1551663469 238632 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the l is somewhat like on the piano :) i spend most of your life < 1551663492 213403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I've never seen an l key on the piano. < 1551663492 268325 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i can see < 1551663573 313004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1551663585 152976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551663590 516501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not for nomination, non-admins can nominate. but ais523 seemed loathe to _select_ his own languages even when others nominated them. < 1551663647 877061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also nominations must be on the wiki hth) < 1551663658 530872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1551663676 584603 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there has to be somewhere where we can draft the front page text _before_ nominating a language to the feature box < 1551663685 248883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I wouldn't object to admins featuring pre-reset nominations, the reset was just because 7 years is an awfully long time to be locked out of making a second nomination < 1551663698 108284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it used to be that people just nominated the language and the featuring admin wrote the front page text < 1551663702 300576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of the reason that it hardly ever got done < 1551663738 607264 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me. I wanted to ask something about intercal < 1551663744 826154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i've thought about this before < 1551663774 796061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a limited number of nominations? < 1551663789 328196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only one per person until it resets < 1551663802 287859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm pretty sure A had sneaked in under two accounts :P < 1551663812 776148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably let peopel change their nomination as often as they were < 1551663814 835601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you swap your nomination for a different one? < 1551663828 531942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I deleted the second nomination, after checkusering to verify that it was two accounts of the same user < 1551663851 208238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's one of the few things you can legally checkuser for on Wikipedia: pretending to be two people on a poll or vote) < 1551663883 627857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as often as they like < 1551663886 379625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this isn't Wikipedia. < 1551663889 551425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, but I disagree with that rule < 1551663904 394637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Iamcalledbob was also him, i suspect < 1551663918 429076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but there's a very long-standing (as in, from the moment the wiki was created) rule of "if we don't come up with a rule ourselves, we use Wikipedia's by default until a new agreement is established" < 1551663945 155780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know how there's this redundant representation, where you represent an n-bit integer as a difference of two n-bit integers, with the advantage that you can do addition or subtraction on such a representation in such a way that carry has to be propagated only two levels, or only one level for adding a constant < 1551663951 88135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate ais523 for unilateral dictator of the wiki. < 1551663964 850288 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and it can also be done in a not too complicated way using ordinary bitwise operations and shifts < 1551663992 302016 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what I'd like to ask is, has that ever been used to represent 16-bit integer computations efficiently in Intercal? < 1551664005 448949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't believe so < 1551664018 55931 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1551664018 344870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible to implement, I just don't think it's been done < 1551664036 861583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of INTERCAL programs aim for space-efficiency rather than time-efficiency < 1551664059 808224 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's too inefficient though < 1551664065 665488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to other things you can do in intercal that is < 1551664073 380051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1551664081 47309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not heard of such a representation before now, I think < 1551664084 674449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiming for space-efficiency is a habit from 1972, I think, when computers had less memory < 1551664099 758842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Isn't it more important nowadays than before? < 1551664115 806821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that memory bandwidth is the bottleneck for most computation. < 1551664128 28216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, space-efficiency? it is in the sense that cache misses tend to bottleneck things more than CPU execution units, yes < 1551664148 220284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case you also have to take the space iin the instruction cache into account < 1551664159 220289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1551664163 316322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a three-way tradeoff between memory usage, instruction length and instruction speed < 1551664196 917852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pipeline flushes have a cost that's comparable to that of an L1 cache miss, so you can't neglect instruction speed entirely < 1551664287 256882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: no, but I disagree with that rule <-- i suggest allowing changes after a suitable time period (a year maybe?), seems better than a complete reset < 1551664310 990691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason not to allow changes to be made arbitrary often? < 1551664332 521579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, we could undo the reset if we're allowing people to change anyway < 1551664336 59891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between allowing changing your nomination and allowing any number of nominations? < 1551664408 984449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admins have a much shorter list to look through when they have to decided on a language < 1551664459 445326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I nominate multiple languages with different weights? < 1551664470 924364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can sample my nomination when you want to look through the list. < 1551664496 837090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really our whole featured languages process is fairly badly thought out :-D < 1551664646 514997 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://mmix.cs.hm.edu/doc/mmix-doc.pdf paragraph 40, on page 32 < 1551664695 282357 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the way I phrased is, the instructions on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates are badly thought out. I'm not srue that's the actual process you follow though. < 1551664795 928916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the process we follow, maybe it shouldn't be though < 1551664937 642896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this process: < 1551664951 528595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 decides whatever he wants < 1551664970 378490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'd recommend that *fizzie* decides whatever he wants < 1551664987 840118 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's ais523, then we'll never be able to feature his languages < 1551664998 455598 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if fizzie decides them, then we won't be able to feature befunge < 1551664999 135812 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1551665021 951853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a process along the lines of "we try to decide on a schedule for language featuring in advance" < 1551665044 736850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. someone suggested featuring BF Joust, and I realised October would be a good month for it; likewise, there was some suggestion of featuring a joke language for April < 1551665068 35030 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why October in particular? < 1551665099 568220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the largest uptick for online gaming communities < 1551665111 90726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're running one of those, you normally get a spike in new members in October < 1551665120 72609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably related to the fact that the academic year starts in September < 1551665120 464723 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... I didn't know that. I thought that was the Christmas break < 1551665165 862612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christmas break is often pretty much dead, to the extent that Agora and BlogNomic have both, at some point in the past, had rules that shut them down entirely over Christmas < 1551665197 246998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora still has a rule that nullifies deadline penalties then < 1551665221 118779 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1551665406 111617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is the cures of the featured language that people make erivatives of it? <-- did anyone make a funciton derivative recently? :P < 1551665657 864638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, yes, there is the carry save addition < 1551665800 111450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one language I'm working on has a few similarities to Funciton, but it's not really a derivative < 1551665852 47125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also generalizes to when you already have, say, 32-bit addition primitives, but want to do carries from one word to another only up to one step, I think you can do that with the words storing like one or two extra bits < 1551666023 85472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall thinking of something like this when verifying that adding an arbitrary list of numbers (or counting the number of set bits in input) can be done with a circuit of logarithmic depth < 1551666031 832287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for funciton, what I've been thinking of independently of that language is a notation where (local) variables are represented by columns in the code, a function call (or call to a primitive) is written with a comma in the right column to put an output in a variable and < 1551666076 308413 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an apostrophe for an input argument or backtick for an earlier input argument (so you can easily swap arguments), or a semicolon or comma for both input and output, < 1551666101 881659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mechanical analog computers are normally programmed vaguely like that, the computer itself has a matrix of axles, columns represent variables, rows represent execution units, and you connect them at the intersections to write the program < 1551666107 328036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can have multiple calls in the same line as long as they're more or less separated horizontally. < 1551666120 2222 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way the code sort of represents a circuit, with information flowing from top to bottom. < 1551666212 196546 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can also put functions next to each other, where to define a function, you use a header pseudo-instruction that defines the name and parameters and an extra formal marker, plus a function end line that takes the output values (returns) and the formal marker in the same column to know which function header it matches < 1551666220 447924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the set bit counting part being a way to prove the complexity class inclusion TC_0 \subset NC_1) < 1551666230 817244 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, though this would be a bit higher level < 1551666290 309885 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you use short names for the most frequent functions, then the output variable could default to the first column of the function name. < 1551666308 110051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this is really vague, it doesn't come to a full specification, not even close, and I haven't figured out any of the details. < 1551666404 840446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, if you only use higher level stuff, then this lends naturally to programming with either a punch card, or those things used for player pianos with little pins in places on a grid < 1551666418 703663 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to lift levers that connect parts of the mechanism < 1551666449 562286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think more of the higher level version < 1551666525 708527 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should make at least a simple prototype language, to serve as an example for something that has explicit variables (not just, say, a data stack or the unlambda/underload no-variable thing), but no variable names < 1551666592 712634 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pity the clc intercal webpage is still down by the way < 1551666896 933569 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I refuckulated my radio statistics code so it's less heinous < 1551666910 508230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAAAAADIO < 1551666916 806306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :📻 < 1551666916 871295 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: imo you should get a ham license < 1551666924 573627 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can chat using our radios < 1551666947 891960 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there are VHF/UHF repeaters that cover Berkeley and the Sunset < 1551666951 344041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we can already chat < 1551666966 940991 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But IRC isn't the maximally nerd way to do so. < 1551666974 487084 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1551666977 639627 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hams are the O.G. nerds < 1551666986 941987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wanted to get a http://ronja.twibright.com/ back when I and a friend lived at the university campus with line-of-sight between the apartments. < 1551666989 575470 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham radio is at the same time profoundly un-cool and extremely punk rock < 1551666992 760140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo let's play internet relay cat < 1551666994 73068 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it < 1551666994 811696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that didn't last long enough. < 1551666996 705032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you get a cat < 1551667007 655229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then send me pictures of the cat through the internet < 1551667011 828871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i visit you + the cat < 1551667016 41753 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that one of those line-of-sight laser network links? < 1551667038 694019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: IIRC, it's not actually laser, but the same sort of thing. < 1551667041 80138 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, neat. < 1551667042 826368 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1551667057 900910 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool stuff < 1551667071 984760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the ability to post ARRL radiogram messages? < 1551667090 422660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tetrapolis model has a visible wavelength, so I think in theory on foggy nights you should've been able to see the beam. (Well, and/or it would've stopped working.) < 1551667110 573077 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't really know anything about that, but probably? I have a General class license so I can do most things on most parts of the bands < 1551667122 961084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know morse code < 1551667160 44706 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: our friendly local WISP uses laser links, in addition to milimeter wave and traditional microwave links < 1551667168 16411 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, but i'm learning a bit < 1551667183 785354 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm using the method where you learn at full speed, adding one character at a time < 1551667191 44147 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than learning the whole alphabet slowly and trying to speed up < 1551667201 645663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep boop < 1551667208 148714 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former method (Koch method) is said to be better < 1551667239 216637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :smiling cat face with cat face shaped eyes < 1551667261 351774 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because at any decent speed, you don't have time to decompose into individual dots and dashes < 1551667284 178309 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to recognize each letter (and eventually words and codes) as a single thing < 1551667288 245518 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's line of sight, can one of you wave semaphore flags and the other watch with a telescope? < 1551667298 803365 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like reading by sounding out words, vs reading fluently < 1551667307 327076 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, and it would be amusing to do TCP/IP over such a transport < 1551667309 282983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zounds < 1551667319 928686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do deaf people read faster than hearing people < 1551667333 362684 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not married to the idea of traditional semaphores, you could use 8 flags to represent one octet at a time < 1551667340 753984 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: idk < 1551667361 167355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's some esoteric representation with showing one hexit at a time with two flags < 1551667384 761441 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and I think there's been a traditional semaphore that showed six trits, but I think the trit thing is a bad idea < 1551667435 701018 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to the statistics project: my current approach is as follows < 1551667474 601769 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) calculate the average power across the whole frequency range at each timestep, and subtract it from each individual measurement. this subtracts out the slow variation in broad-spectrum noise < 1551667480 379301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what exposure time and frame rate do you use when measuring the signal strength? < 1551667515 466980 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) calculate the average power (after the adjustment in (1)) on each frequency < 1551667532 686949 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) calculate the % of time spent more than 1.5 dBm above the average < 1551667538 795219 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a crude way to look for a bimodal distribution < 1551667554 701706 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I already answered that, but it averages over 4 seconds < 1551667570 958383 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I must have missed it in the logs < 1551667606 21724 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and during that time it quickly scans over the whole range < 1551667646 629785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 4 seconds is the recip framerate, right? < 1551667650 753198 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the exposure time? < 1551667657 487465 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean < 1551667662 343275 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it averages power over 4 seconds < 1551667665 184140 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not an exposure? < 1551667669 754232 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the exposure then < 1551667679 79409 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the time between exposures starting is 4 seconds < 1551667683 884488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "scans over the whole range" meant it doesn't scan all ranges at the same time < 1551667684 907561 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the frame rate is 0.25 Hz < 1551667696 242409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1551667708 122980 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how quickly it hops frequencies, if that's what you're asking < 1551667718 791986 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it digitizes 2.048 MHz of spectrum at once, and the band is 4 MHz (144 - 148 MHz) wide, and there is some overscan for Reasons < 1551667725 560098 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does it in 3 chunks < 1551667737 154401 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tool is rtl_power if you want to look into it more < 1551667752 359185 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1551667797 335813 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think the above analysis may be about as good as I can do in a time invariant way (i.e. same result if you permute the frames arbitrarily) < 1551667803 500691 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is a silly restriction so I think I can do much better < 1551667813 494691 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did your computation seem to work? have you found stations that you could listen to and figure out something about? < 1551667830 592911 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it finds stations that are already clear in the waterfall graph < 1551667843 239695 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still useful, since it's automated < 1551667846 624497 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1551667848 890867 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the challenge < 1551667861 253969 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to automate it, and gather statistics over many days or weeks < 1551667874 993317 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if a certain frequency is active at the same time on the same day of the week, every week, it's probably a scheduled "net" < 1551667878 816374 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I may not already know about < 1551667887 813722 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can already scan the whole spectrum with one of my other radios, but it doesn't log anything < 1551667912 713042 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typical FM scanner has a much better way of identifying frequencies in use < 1551667919 891288 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :noise squelch < 1551667945 424212 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just looking at the RF power, it demodulates the signal into audio and then looks at the high frequency (super-audible) components < 1551667966 237480 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those components have a lot of energy, it indicates that you're picking up static < 1551667991 739173 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of the original signal, it is looking for a strong carrier whose frequency is not varying too quickly < 1551668003 238709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1551668010 168488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wouldn't that be slower in scanning the spectrum? < 1551668025 46550 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it miss broadcasts that are active only for shorter times, to transmit short messages? < 1551668068 742261 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gtg soon, but good luck, find useful channels < 1551668075 662833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : presumably at some point the hard disk ends up full [...] <-- as i recall from last time i ran a memory-slurping haskell program without thinking, my windows has some swap size limit < 1551668085 516112 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, it's slower < 1551668109 382439 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, you could maybe do it quickly with an SDR < 1551668116 933100 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do a lot of FM demodulation in parallel < 1551668125 557786 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that's much more towards the hard signal processing side of things < 1551668131 615482 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and right now I'm looking for a rough statistical approach < 1551668162 186505 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, GPS magic and sparse fourier transformas < 1551668172 874429 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy stuff < 1551668320 186660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and electronics magic, like you explained < 1551668344 318092 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1551668396 836229 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-173.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1551668752 926760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know how to format a ARRL radiogram message. < 1551669124 606614 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cool < 1551669128 590254 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you / have you been a licensed ham? > 1551669218 348319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60231&oldid=60226 5* 03Cortex 5* (+1561) 10 < 1551669389 503114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phantom_hoover < 1551669390 699280 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop. < 1551669422 921014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I do know how to format the message. A few fields must be filled in by the radio operator, although I can fill in everything else, if someone else can send it. (I have no need to write a ARRL radiogram message now, but I can write one if needed) > 1551669620 944245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60232&oldid=60231 5* 03Cortex 5* (+104) 10 > 1551669690 792619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60233&oldid=60160 5* 03Cortex 5* (+14) 10 < 1551670481 209169 :bobby!~Bob@76.202.115.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1551670720 779605 :bobby!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:1092:2725:4f3c:7b98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551671512 474326 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1551671712 742097 :bobby!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:1092:2725:4f3c:7b98 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1551672005 708575 :bobby!~Bob@76.202.115.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551672042 83219 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551672078 258193 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.4 < 1551672098 659060 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1551672140 359205 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't learned morse code yet, but I'm working on it < 1551672143 919142 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a good thing to know < 1551672161 867126 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can communicate with very weak radio signals, and it's also applicable to many things besides radio < 1551673020 330738 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dnmfjwtlcfpeszlc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1551674829 783470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chess variant called "Hexabeast" has English rules, Chinese pieces, and Latin notation. (The reason for the Latin notation is that the name of each piece starts with a different letter if they are written in Latin, but this is not the case in English, and of course the Chinese names are not ASCII.) < 1551675179 123582 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551675351 493390 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the Works in Progress discussion earlier, but there is already a https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Works-in-Progress category that I thought (perhaps mistakenly) was official. < 1551675400 833873 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to add a 'see also' on the other page, but maybe that won't help clear the confusion < 1551675489 492666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is official < 1551675605 477203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's official < 1551675616 459528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1551675729 803400 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I look at the other langs on that list it does not look official, a couple of users had added multiple languages to it and it has swept in a few others along the way < 1551676032 69094 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used in a template here: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Template:WIP just figured out why I used it on one of my languages < 1551676473 661526 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zotdvtofwqdxcbbi JOIN :#esoteric < 1551678077 80149 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1551679689 396402 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1551680197 228029 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA3_YKCW2LU < 1551683528 975280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the situation in girl genius seems to be turning tense < 1551683542 290612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least the guy uses pronouns properly < 1551683731 933979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1551683734 271428 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:boorjan//boorjan is oerjan's uneducated twin. \ adjective//Adjectives are words frequently found attached to chickens. \ cgi//CGI stands for uh... C, goblin, interface? \ remavas//Remavas is a revolution in human biology. He's cofriends with oerjan. He's apparently from Frankfurt, Germany, but he's actually from Mars. His typing skills are so incredibly bad, some say he writes in a different orthography designed for a different language. \ res < 1551683737 734221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1551683738 495575 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:taurant//A restaurant is a type of transactional resource-distributing system powered by lazy evaluation. < 1551683743 445522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits boorjan < 1551683745 455934 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachäf < 1551683752 311585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you look at that. how unexpected. < 1551683808 208236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns < 1551683809 236637 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz. < 1551683829 615122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? funpuns | rot3 < 1551683830 878515 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: rot3: command not found < 1551683831 198974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? funpuns | rot13 < 1551683832 609882 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. < 1551683847 489547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1551683848 635897 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. < 1551683902 424134 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? kmc < 1551683903 559764 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc did not run the International Devious Code Contest of 2013. < 1551683910 724583 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38 < 1551683911 739804 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem. < 1551683956 920947 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -n $(cat wisdom/shachaf) The unit of fun punnery is named after him. | rot13 > wisdom/funpuns < 1551683958 860680 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551683967 666687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hmm should have used tee < 1551683971 577178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/funpuns < 1551683972 168594 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dhrra Funpuns bs gur Qnja fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Ur qbrfa'g xabj jura gb fgbc nfxvat dhrfgvbaf. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz. < 1551684286 834747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can you send two files to diff on stdin? < 1551684295 345217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it interactively, with diff - /dev/stdin and ^D < 1551684312 745996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you do (foo; eof; bar) somehow? < 1551684378 375700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/funpuns | rot13 | cmp wisdom/shachaf - < 1551684379 358989 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shachaf - differ: byte 169, line 1 < 1551684386 683371 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. But you can use <(...) to good effect. < 1551684455 372063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really a thing you can only do interactively? < 1551684466 275303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way to make a read of size 0 happen? < 1551684527 13491 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vishelmnewrdzqzn JOIN :#esoteric < 1551684628 652298 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1551684652 83267 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<(...) is too good < 1551684809 344243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are addicted to calling things too good < 1551684811 762658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like me < 1551684976 836723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tg is tg < 1551685000 979094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg < 1551685002 211066 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not. < 1551685020 299250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Superturing-Gödel < 1551685025 529259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is superturing a superhero < 1551685040 26676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf... < 1551685046 418915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) < 1551685047 243468 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--- /dev/fd/63 2019-03-04 07:37:26.716895926 +0000 \ +++ /dev/fd/62 2019-03-04 07:37:26.636894902 +0000 \ @@ -29,0 +30,9 @@ \ +The \ +unit \ +of \ +fun \ +punnery \ +is \ +named \ +after \ +him. < 1551685049 778196 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat < 1551685050 671030 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685052 918963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1551685053 385410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? . < 1551685122 167175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does piping the result of diff to another command cause the output to become empty? < 1551685172 198015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which diff < 1551685172 815077 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/diff < 1551685244 901158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) < 1551685245 818840 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--- /dev/fd/63 2019-03-04 07:40:45.256264591 +0000 \ +++ /dev/fd/62 2019-03-04 07:40:45.266264719 +0000 \ @@ -29,0 +30,9 @@ \ +The \ +unit \ +of \ +fun \ +punnery \ +is \ +named \ +after \ +him. < 1551685250 508895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat < 1551685251 438656 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685513 881782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat -v < 1551685514 882789 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--- /dev/fd/63 2019-03-04 07:45:14.229664713 +0000 \ +++ /dev/fd/62 2019-03-04 07:45:14.229664713 +0000 \ @@ -29,0 +30,9 @@ \ +The \ +unit \ +of \ +fun \ +punnery \ +is \ +named \ +after \ +him. < 1551685553 774071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which cat < 1551685554 578429 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/cat < 1551685587 707385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why did that work? < 1551685592 626824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat -v < 1551685593 706028 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685618 652660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat; echo $? < 1551685619 661223 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685628 144172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat -A < 1551685629 93628 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685642 615442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat; echo hi >&2 < 1551685643 617909 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685654 105853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1551685678 632820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | hexdump < 1551685679 554224 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685719 415491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you do will do anything hth < 1551685727 628311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nondeterministic too. terminating the thing for some reason. < 1551685753 811731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) | cat -v < 1551685754 823830 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551685758 237045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1551685780 440474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` diff -u0 <(< wisdom/shachaf fmt -1) <(< wisdom/funpuns rot13 | fmt -1) 1551686178 487798 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60234&oldid=60232 5* 03Cortex 5* (+37) 10 < 1551686329 138494 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.33 JOIN :#esoteric > 1551686870 377209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60235&oldid=60234 5* 03Cortex 5* (+160) 10 < 1551689421 30736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1551691270 844218 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I was thinking over the weekend: < 1551691320 503274 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The category of monoids and monoid homomorphisms, and the category of abelian groups and group homomorphisms, both have an internal hom functor < 1551691323 668366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Grp doesn't < 1551691379 420014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come? < 1551691479 324941 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoid homormorphisms form a monoid pointwise, with (f<>g)(a) = f(a)<>g(a) < 1551691548 704812 :orbitaldecay!~Bob@c-68-33-94-10.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551691629 944407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we extend this to groups, and take f^-1(a) = f(a)^-1, we get f(a<>b)^-1 = f^-1(a<>b) = f^-1(a)<>f^-1(b) (by the fact it's a homomorphism) = f(a)^-1<>f(b)^-1, but this is only true in general when the codomain is abelian < 1551691749 37821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this isn't actually a proof of my original statement, just that what to me is the obvious formulation fails for Grp < 1551692554 408441 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551693627 738189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1551693654 468595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551694215 330707 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1551694464 535970 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1551695216 179774 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1551695322 706934 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ykwofmoenlcsnpmi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1551695335 84285 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-monnnqnvvfiaqltz JOIN :#esoteric < 1551697335 279770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection < 1551697344 492797 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551697370 758593 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1551697377 506929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1551698669 399077 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1551702089 163820 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551702277 235612 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1551702277 648198 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1551703091 244373 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vishelmnewrdzqzn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1551704469 192354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60236 5* 03A 5* (+354) 10Created page with "=Syntax=
 This programming language only implements multiplication. It uses only 3 values: x as -3, y as -2, and z as -1. Whitespace means multiplication. 
=Example..." > 1551704562 717018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60237&oldid=60080 5* 03A 5* (+71) 10/* General languages */ > 1551704713 111317 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60238&oldid=60236 5* 03A 5* (+30) 10/* Examples */ > 1551704730 848580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60239&oldid=60238 5* 03A 5* (+30) 10/* Examples */ > 1551704771 958335 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60240&oldid=60239 5* 03A 5* (+33) 10/* Examples */ > 1551704789 70578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60241&oldid=60240 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Examples */ > 1551704955 234816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60242&oldid=60241 5* 03A 5* (+202) 10 > 1551705170 53212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60243&oldid=60242 5* 03A 5* (+373) 10/* Implementation */ < 1551705180 696078 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1551705183 559554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60244&oldid=60243 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10/* Implementation */ > 1551705204 686379 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60245&oldid=60244 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10 > 1551705314 585795 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60246&oldid=60245 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10 > 1551706521 737548 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SPADE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60247&oldid=59400 5* 03A 5* (+40) 10 < 1551706620 242544 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1551711938 154076 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551715646 392481 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1551715668 267439 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1551716784 380684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1551716795 56205 :atriq!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551716860 65946 :atriq!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 NICK :Taneb > 1551716952 721598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Erwijet 5* 10New user account > 1551717285 151426 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60248&oldid=60217 5* 03Erwijet 5* (+227) 10Introduced myself > 1551717346 645213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60249&oldid=60248 5* 03Erwijet 5* (+0) 10Fixed a spelling issue on my name < 1551717927 285185 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1551718779 535531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You'd probably know -- what's there to see and do in Hexham? < 1551718817 941724 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the Abbey's worth a visit, the Old Gaol is a history museum, there's some little art galleries dotted about, a theatre, a cinema < 1551718859 305458 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask? < 1551718899 256636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might stop by sometime in the summer. It's on the way, and it's got all that #esoteric glamour. < 1551718945 121419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -il hexham < 1551718946 327611 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :english channel \ fentimans \ ham \ helsinki \ hexchat \ hexham \ wegian < 1551718979 437869 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bus that goes to a bunch of old Roman sites as well < 1551718995 605858 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the AD122) < 1551719146 213005 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1551719188 129029 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1551719314 816271 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1551719426 61006 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00815acc373546797f.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1551719667 390733 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1551719810 595512 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60250&oldid=59396 5* 03Erwijet 5* (+139) 10Added an interpreter > 1551720064 187896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60251&oldid=60250 5* 03Erwijet 5* (-7) 10Fixed formatting < 1551720110 386934 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551720178 377074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The old Roman sites are kind of the thing Hexham is on the way to, though I think we might rent a car. < 1551720396 270999 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1551720529 117164 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551722707 489624 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1551723417 830379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1551724768 59995 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-176.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1551725180 369495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of XYZABCDE Part II is not much yet (I have to think of what rooms to add, and that part is difficult to think of, I think), but nevertheless is possible to download to see so far: http://zzo38computer.org/xyzabcde/2.zip < 1551725198 538953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type VERBS for a list of verbs (there are a few hidden verbs which are not listed here). < 1551725434 204622 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551726073 642667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also make suggestions/questions/complaints if you have any, I suppose.) < 1551726617 650883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1551726638 272958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551726792 123642 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1551726900 39588 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-176.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you want esoteric people to try text adventures, you can try to wire them up to IRC so they play on channel (or on #esoteric-blah if it gets annoying), with HackEso or with a custom bot. < 1551727021 950611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there is a such thing as IRC-Glk, but perhaps it can be written if it does not yet exist. (Yet, if you want to test the status window, then that won't work with IRC-Glk.) < 1551727041 712131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-176.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you need a status window? that's more difficult then < 1551727042 286649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not have time right now, but you can try, and/or perhaps later I can try.) < 1551727065 807695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game doesn't need a status window; it can work without. However, the status window can be helpful. < 1551727381 512990 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could /topic be the status bar < 1551727410 263947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a text grid window of more than one line in this game < 1551728117 160426 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-176.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The reason for the Latin notation is that the name of each piece starts with a different letter if they are written in Latin, but this is not the case in English" => like a king and a knight in chess or tarot? < 1551728156 637256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-176.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? adjective < 1551728157 714267 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adjectives are words frequently found attached to chickens. < 1551728159 821769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-176.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what? < 1551729051 73980 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuhkunbejwddsine JOIN :#esoteric < 1551729563 274100 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1551729702 338644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1551730312 287501 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1551731875 595090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60252&oldid=60235 5* 03Cortex 5* (+123) 10 > 1551732307 223697 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60253&oldid=60252 5* 03Cortex 5* (+39) 10 < 1551733008 665573 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-faisccyhurmkflni JOIN :#esoteric < 1551733576 126142 :orbitaldecay_!~Bob@c-68-33-93-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551733753 310963 :orbitaldecay!~Bob@c-68-33-94-10.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1551734958 724096 :orbitaldecay__!~Bob@c-68-33-93-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551735127 65591 :orbitaldecay_!~Bob@c-68-33-93-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1551735348 885637 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that text adventure bot is a good idea < 1551736911 265035 :orbitaldecay_!~Bob@c-68-33-93-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551736918 971242 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1551736954 177013 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551737050 69239 :orbitaldecay!~Bob@c-68-33-93-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551737080 735425 :orbitaldecay__!~Bob@c-68-33-93-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1551737167 277846 :orbitaldecay_!~Bob@c-68-33-93-178.hsd1.va.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1551737193 201239 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00815acc373546797f.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1551737279 674381 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1551737584 340226 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551738458 747832 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1551739667 254015 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551739744 959984 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1551739752 563881 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1551739779 110636 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551739928 270347 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1551740247 4806 :housecarpenter!~housecarp@90.252.251.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551740367 285775 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1551740607 382261 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551740863 69617 :moony_!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1551740874 187767 :moony_!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Globidev/corewa-rs https://glo.bi/corewar/ someone made their own corewars < 1551740875 679329 :moony_!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks fun < 1551740963 835819 :moony_!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :favorite part from what i've looked at is it's usage of less abstract opcodes < 1551740977 157666 :moony_!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning really fun(tm) tactics like rewriting the opponent are possible < 1551741953 310140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least just on a glance, it doesn't look *that* different from regular Redcode. < 1551742055 119636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the field stuff is a little abstract, I guess, but you can definitely rewrite your opponent there too. < 1551742166 94556 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1551742529 18543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-176.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal