< 1555459784 748824 :shikhin!~shikhin@pat146.vpn.border2-rt.dartmouth.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1555460479 14168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1555460616 889407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure; its most common use seems to be constraint solving < 1555460621 42962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never used it directly myself < 1555461041 434984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i don't really know Z3 either but it seemed like the kind of thing you sometimes add < 1555461194 663889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for BANCStar, i seem to recall we used to consider it an example of a language that isn't esoteric because it was meant for something practical. < 1555461475 946540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1333 < 1555461476 646400 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1333) #define __NR_oldolduname 59 fungot: what's your old old name? olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness). < 1555461482 58879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoteformat < 1555461483 819250 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quoteformat: not found < 1555461484 433846 :shikhin!~shikhin@pat146.vpn.border2-rt.dartmouth.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1555461489 446763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quoteformat < 1555461490 968039 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoteformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two. < 1555461527 659264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled quotes//1333s, <, <,g < 1555461529 304891 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes// EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. \ His body should be given to < 1555461535 227626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1333 < 1555461535 920065 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1333) #define __NR_oldolduname 59 fungot: what's your old old name? olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness). < 1555461578 38122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems compliant to me hth < 1555461604 707353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW IT IS < 1555461634 177152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start writing " " in all the quotable things I say. < 1555461656 320187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1555461657 129 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :260) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 305) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 306) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django , 2 for < 1555461756 441267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 1 < 1555461786 81500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not the contest hth < 1555461820 947115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1555461820 987971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :The press is the enemy. < 1555461896 421973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "press is the enemy" < 1555461896 871490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.quora.com/Did-President-Trump-actually-say-the-press-is-the-enemy-of-the-people-I-can-only-find-where-he-said-fake-news-is-the-enemy-of-the-people < 1555462022 974385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode text rendering is locale-dependent? < 1555462027 635352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. < 1555462220 938441 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1555463007 206598 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1555463136 203482 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555465101 99536 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to play baba is you < 1555465218 11115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Baba was You, the time traveling puzzle game ) < 1555465345 447417 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braid is a pretty good time traveling puzzle game < 1555465416 569621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make a 2+1D puzzle game where you have some tricky spacetime manifold. < 1555465545 694915 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that wrk < 1555465616 615869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some ideas but it turns out to be p. complicated < 1555466078 315132 :MDude!~MDude@c-174-55-125-31.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1555466141 591499 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is charming < 1555466143 558046 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am charmed < 1555466228 92459 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already encountered some tricky situations such as a move that changes the rule of whether said move will kill me < 1555466247 493099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019-03.txt:02:50:26 kmc: you should babajam < 1555466479 892287 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1555466494 10225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1555466759 365160 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1555467484 472782 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very stuck :( < 1555467508 61628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible hth < 1555467854 124830 :chal_!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555468015 190679 :chal_!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 QUIT :Client Quit < 1555468111 293139 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i got it < 1555468162 771018 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALGAE IS DEFEAT < 1555468178 820753 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOVE IS PUSH, LOVE IS WIN < 1555469168 725994 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555469177 54946 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing it too now < 1555469178 483801 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool < 1555469199 983269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOCH IS LOVE < 1555469234 334829 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROCK IS FLAG < 1555469540 450134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOUT IS LOUD < 1555469597 127597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN IS BEST < 1555469792 866697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish all the rules in Baba Is You were deterministic. < 1555470477 860757 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Rearranging a bunch of shit < 1555471117 879022 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does DOOR IS SHUT mean < 1555471499 910706 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :a X IS SHUT means that a Y IS OPEN will unlock/break X < 1555471552 294100 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1555471553 617275 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1555472077 949270 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555473566 698054 :MDude!~MDude@c-174-55-125-31.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555475098 60883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1555475685 410342 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is adorable < 1555475731 907033 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1555476356 631193 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god now there are text tiles that control the behavior of text tiles > 1555476974 19971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61202&oldid=61071 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+233) 10links with details of the Z3 architecture < 1555477327 243840 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-67-190-37-113.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555477829 910249 :trn!~trn@prone.ws QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1555477841 364824 :trn!~trn@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1555478259 611302 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty ramps up quite quickly < 1555478478 980500 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1555478563 293434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1555478583 570330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Z314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61203 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+849) 10trying to clarify the 2nd paragraph (not about Z3) < 1555480205 578917 :shikhin_!shikhin@2604:180:1:10e::3e89 QUIT :Changing host < 1555480205 662148 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1555480233 753662 :shikhout!~shikhin@129.170.195.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555483676 474626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius: uh oh < 1555483849 164248 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you mean about the rules not being deterministic? < 1555485906 87288 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1555486517 267612 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba is you is a great game. i didn't play that much yet, i am stuck in the second bonus level underwater < 1555486551 484982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1555486569 657524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second hth < 1555486604 606532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did help, thank you < 1555486610 877441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1555486652 424959 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two, the first has "crab is defeat" and "flag is win" in the upper right corner to be activated, the second one also has "jelly is push" and bypasses the option to make a "rock is you" to sneak through the crabs < 1555486689 57688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one. < 1555486701 807462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is defeat < 1555486707 57488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1555486723 996147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means if you touch oerjan you disappear, hth < 1555486736 971781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1555486745 867412 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite the nice sequence < 1555486781 203467 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the levels are so similar and i like how the second breaks the way you can solve the first < 1555486798 533643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pattern in this game. < 1555486829 417205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular [redacted] and [redacted], and also [redacted] and [redacted] < 1555486834 874678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few other instances. < 1555486988 254851 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if puzzles are in right now: snakebird is awesome < 1555487022 408091 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics discouraged me the first few times from trying it because it looked too childish to be a challenge, but it is < 1555487197 515808 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "the sequence" and "the sequence 2" for mobile are nice bullying automaton puzzles > 1555488822 584703 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61204&oldid=61191 5* 03A 5* (-906) 10Delete a quite irrelevant conversation < 1555488933 144780 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1555489338 384935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1555489719 990334 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1555489774 532657 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1555491036 548346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61205&oldid=61204 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+680) 10 < 1555492410 145880 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 JOIN :#esoteric > 1555492505 310603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61206&oldid=61205 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+380) 10 < 1555492601 320925 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakebird is really good < 1555492614 446322 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive also tried stephen sausage roll but it's too difficult < 1555492666 518020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssr is tg < 1555492917 997753 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1555492920 529247 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PART :#esoteric < 1555492993 56465 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game ? < 1555493160 830955 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg < 1555493164 909442 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not. < 1555493187 367218 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1555493237 816847 :shikhout!~shikhin@129.170.195.161 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1555493486 778327 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1555493557 157171 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1555493805 925215 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit < 1555493944 759431 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1555494865 84614 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 JOIN :#esoteric > 1555497443 686036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61207&oldid=61179 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+12) 10TCness is an open question < 1555498214 432145 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1555500125 646084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61208&oldid=61206 5* 03A 5* (+11) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */ > 1555500155 670824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61209&oldid=61208 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Wait, switch order... > 1555500396 527040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61210&oldid=61209 5* 03A 5* (+118) 10/* Some thoughts */ > 1555500450 233471 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61211&oldid=60312 5* 03A 5* (+636) 10 > 1555500463 165046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61212&oldid=61211 5* 03A 5* (+64) 10/* Comment from User:TuxCrafting= */ > 1555500514 17083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61213&oldid=61212 5* 03A 5* (+379) 10 > 1555500739 451147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61214&oldid=61213 5* 03A 5* (+15) 10 > 1555500944 993443 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61215&oldid=61210 5* 03A 5* (+47) 10/* Some thoughts */ < 1555501105 286288 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1555501291 92428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61216&oldid=61215 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+202) 10 > 1555502021 983487 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61217&oldid=61216 5* 03A 5* (+142) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */ > 1555502228 711650 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61218&oldid=61217 5* 03A 5* (+39) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */ > 1555502657 863622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61219&oldid=61218 5* 03A 5* (+186) 10/* Some thoughts */ > 1555502708 835936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61220&oldid=61219 5* 03A 5* (+11) 10/* Some thoughts */ > 1555502788 922881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61221&oldid=61220 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Some thoughts */ > 1555502864 788251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61222&oldid=61221 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Sent wrong URL > 1555504251 127352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61223&oldid=61222 5* 03A 5* (+122) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */ < 1555504279 318388 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric > 1555504940 216560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61224&oldid=61202 5* 03A 5* (-7) 10 > 1555505125 165257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61225&oldid=61203 5* 03A 5* (+192) 10 > 1555505407 995619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61226&oldid=61224 5* 03A 5* (-416) 10 > 1555505500 343231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61227&oldid=61223 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen */ > 1555505757 102946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61228&oldid=61225 5* 03A 5* (-192) 10Undo revision 61225 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) > 1555505883 477080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61229&oldid=61227 5* 03A 5* (+152) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */ > 1555506195 610706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61230&oldid=61226 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10 < 1555506268 102567 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1555506298 899880 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61231&oldid=61207 5* 03A 5* (+92) 10/* Impossible */ < 1555506315 209815 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1555506334 548002 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1555507888 267659 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61232&oldid=61229 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10/* Proof that all loops are computationally equivalent */ > 1555508998 898988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61233&oldid=61232 5* 03A 5* (+447) 10/* Proof that the Halting problem is trivial in bitch */ > 1555509074 95276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61234&oldid=61233 5* 03A 5* (+128) 10/* Proof that the Halting problem is trivial in bitch */ > 1555509826 367186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61235&oldid=61234 5* 03A 5* (+15) 10I helped you out a bit. > 1555510473 26945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61236&oldid=61235 5* 03A 5* (+59) 10/* Some thoughts */ > 1555510587 525578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61237&oldid=61214 5* 03A 5* (+61) 10/* Comment from User:TuxCrafting from bitch */ > 1555510937 446079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61238&oldid=61236 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */ > 1555511092 258775 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61239&oldid=61188 5* 03A 5* (+114) 10/* List of candidates */ > 1555511204 485169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61240&oldid=61239 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* List of candidates */ > 1555511241 563555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61241&oldid=61240 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* List of candidates */ > 1555511297 976396 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61242&oldid=61241 5* 03A 5* (-75) 10/* List of candidates */ > 1555511350 776575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61243&oldid=61242 5* 03A 5* (-13) 10 > 1555511500 830583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61244&oldid=61243 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* List of candidates */ < 1555511604 230666 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...brainfuck was the features language on the wiki for pretty much my entire time at uni > 1555511695 467256 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61245&oldid=61238 5* 03A 5* (+100) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */ > 1555511783 706181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61246&oldid=61245 5* 03A 5* (+16) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */ > 1555512340 211625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61247&oldid=61231 5* 03Helen 5* (+76) 10/* Basic Flow Instructions */ Clarified looping due to a comment in the talk page by [[User:TuxCrafting|TuxCrafting]] > 1555512939 39437 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61248&oldid=61246 5* 03Helen 5* (+53) 10/* Incrementing */ > 1555513002 218541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61249&oldid=61247 5* 03Helen 5* (+4) 10Updated computational class to unknown > 1555513724 196734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61250&oldid=61237 5* 03Helen 5* (+449) 10/* Comment from User:TuxCrafting from Talk:bitch */ > 1555514050 184619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61251&oldid=61248 5* 03Helen 5* (+67) 10/* Incrementing */ > 1555514073 847434 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61252&oldid=61251 5* 03Helen 5* (-257) 10/* Decrementing idea */ > 1555514159 657001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61253&oldid=58955 5* 03Helen 5* (+118) 10 > 1555514172 952923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Helen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61254&oldid=61253 5* 03Helen 5* (+11) 10 > 1555514194 108920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61255&oldid=61252 5* 03Helen 5* (+85) 10/* Some thoughts */ > 1555514229 238300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61256&oldid=61255 5* 03Helen 5* (+75) 10/* Some thoughts */ > 1555514333 550911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61257&oldid=61256 5* 03Helen 5* (+163) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen and User:A */ > 1555515190 317694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61258&oldid=61257 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+805) 10 > 1555515233 610420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61259&oldid=61258 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+93) 10 < 1555515556 120494 :ZM!4db75084@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.183.80.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555515664 333082 :ZM!4db75084@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.183.80.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing around a bit with BytePusher < 1555515847 734350 :ZM!4db75084@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.183.80.132 QUIT :Client Quit < 1555516052 997103 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it now I have to buy that game < 1555516134 869509 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which game? < 1555516195 359181 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baba is You < 1555516221 266215 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep talking about it and it sound so awesome < 1555516273 105434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about it < 1555516302 44658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_majestatis]'re all done with that game. < 1555516381 633634 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555516618 468935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: imo you should baba it up hth < 1555516640 63159 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome < 1555516652 823797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know anything abou tit < 1555516778 501472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good, that's the way to do it < 1555516793 25035 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it run on Linux < 1555516798 702664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluralis int-estatis < 1555516800 685457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately < 1555516800 958809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1555516817 116548 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it run well on my computer that doesn't currently and may not soon have a GPU < 1555516858 646104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a fancy graphics game < 1555516877 402031 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c03b5c9acfd48877.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555516879 34400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost < 1555516882 954419 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs on a switch < 1555516888 283897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I have one of those < 1555516891 694475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7MJljsoUSo < 1555516898 858696 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: one from nintendo? < 1555516903 62518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1555516907 186533 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1555516911 782977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it doesn't look like it needs a GPU. OTOH I'm pretty sure it uses OpenGL. < 1555516912 998729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it costs $12,000 < 1555516927 158920 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the switch is an awesome console < 1555516930 823294 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of dollars unless that , marks the decimal point < 1555516932 635653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about 9000 gbp < 1555516953 541783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can I sell my copy to you? < 1555516976 142022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, Steam won't allow it...) < 1555516979 415758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A second-hand copy? I'll pay you $0.14 for it. < 1555516986 442327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, you bought it on Steam? < 1555516993 802603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1555517012 933205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought it on humblebundle.com because you get a non-Steam-DRM copy. < 1555517018 361869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And then played it on Steam. < 1555517040 984279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not following humblebundle anymore. < 1555517060 880830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get it as part of a bundle. I stopped following those a long time ago. < 1555517067 633972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just a regular store now. < 1555517100 356179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found that most of the non-crappy games in those bundles were the non-crappy games that made me buy earlier bundles.) < 1555517116 927872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the shop. < 1555517162 83203 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c03b5c9acfd48877.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555517173 37070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I disliked the infrequent updates. < 1555517180 957009 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c03b5c9acfd48877.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555517203 51994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look at this. They have 9 bundles. < 1555517230 672878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Oh look at this, crap^9. (I haven't looked) ) < 1555517248 600905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I want a "₿lockchain & ¢ryptocurrencybundle"! < 1555517276 854396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a Unicode code point for U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN? < 1555517277 985693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donate more than the average and get 0.0001 bitcoin < 1555517295 166003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always figured people were abusing some other code point that happened to have a B with a line through it. < 1555517300 517435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm disappointed in the Unicode committee. < 1555517329 364687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is it a double-linked blockchain? < 1555517335 400488 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err doubly-linked < 1555517354 154898 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing all the emojis you shouldn't be surprised by the uc being stupid < 1555517357 805749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope so. < 1555517440 305180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get more mystery games on May 3 <-- they have invisible crap too < 1555517456 484070 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c03b5c9acfd48877.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555517493 805440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know it has to be good if they won't even tell you what it is. < 1555517588 379373 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555517777 345824 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT < 1555517786 393466 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font doesn't have the bitcoin sign < 1555517808 136820 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin sign is a very important character to support < 1555517820 784048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say, can I use your font? < 1555517823 991334 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ₿ < 1555517826 909692 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1555517888 773168 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kʷos? < 1555518037 998374 :imode-desktop!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.4 < 1555518472 425656 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't wait for the switch release of slay the spire < 1555518745 834796 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555519061 619310 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I have just added 5 new currency symbols to my font < 1555519110 578950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 💱? < 1555519129 466603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren's font < 1555519130 607990 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren's font? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1555519135 286927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp font < 1555519136 944775 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dingbat:dingbat is a famous font designer for Microsoft. \ font:#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ \ lifthrasiir's font:lifthrasiir's font is https://github.com < 1555519137 965173 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+20BB to U+20BF < 1555519228 366509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, your font's metadata seems all wrong < 1555519235 96632 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1555519250 380004 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? < 1555519271 908203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm loading it with freetype and rendering glyphs using bitmap_left, bitmap_top, etc. < 1555519283 381271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's sure looking terrible. < 1555519310 630776 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a TTF font not bitmap < 1555519378 489398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, Freetype is rendering it to a bitmap. < 1555519403 768227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about font rendering but what I'm doing worked fine with all the other TTF fonts I tried. < 1555519446 987390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font.png < 1555519451 445955 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this font has a persistent problem with working under subpixel rendering < 1555519464 956027 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hmm < 1555519527 713093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font-atlas-128.pgm < 1555519555 166829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be doing something wrong but the other TTF fonts I tried look OK. < 1555519614 302551 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I mean, those other ttf fonts were generated by programs written by people who understood ttf formatbetter than me < 1555519641 196758 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bdf2ttf.htm < 1555519680 361464 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than by a c program written using documentation found online < 1555519691 832260 :LKoen_!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00f1c2d7a4e9f33ac4.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555519694 124553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand TTF at all. < 1555519706 357730 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine in a web browser and in most terminals < 1555519743 582237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1555519746 529852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe it's my fault. < 1555519791 204990 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's definitely possible I made a mistake that only causes problems in some circumstances. < 1555519848 214853 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttf is really badly documented < 1555519916 290979 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even *attempt* to do any of the special hinting program stuff < 1555519984 52642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have to do with how I'm packing the thing. < 1555519988 384504 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\0n\0e\0o\0l\0e\0t\0t\0e\0r\0s" yay for doing UTF-16 the stupid way < 1555520104 655679 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty proud of my algorithm for converting the bitmap into a series of curves < 1555520189 264785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here we go. < 1555520222 681833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :face->size->metrics.height is 1024 (16px?), but the actual glyphs are of height 24px < 1555520229 366781 :LKoen_!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00f1c2d7a4e9f33ac4.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555520230 775443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1555520233 261659 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1555520321 727823 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glphs ought to be 16 px high tho < 1555520350 498493 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where did I put 24 px < 1555520419 955197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm loading it at a particular size to get bitmaps. < 1555520426 189656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably things are being scaled to give me these numbers. < 1555520816 482309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this looks a bit better: http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font-2.png < 1555520845 525226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that things are being packed correctly. But the height is still wrong. < 1555521027 105973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like the p < 1555521028 188222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : t look. < 1555521060 783637 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1555521076 666533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font-3.png < 1555521084 160659 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555521134 386465 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it thinks the height is half of what it is < 1555521172 956614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1555521177 811297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that all about? < 1555521190 941413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1555521200 548637 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a theory that my values in the OS/2 table are wrong < 1555521210 576653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice vertical kerning ;-) < 1555521237 681099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1555521248 214323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just take credit for this new innovation. < 1555521252 348785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vertical ligatures. < 1555521287 826495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that happen in Japanese calligraphy? < 1555521301 469578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure) < 1555521318 567614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is playing with Coq. < 1555521324 680494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean text written vertically? < 1555521329 517779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as terrible yet as I was told it would be. < 1555521337 285373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, perpendicular ligatures. < 1555521469 350457 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555521485 226938 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, the ttf format has a bunch of pairs of ascent and descent values < 1555521502 349198 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my font these would be 12 and 4 < 1555521505 815713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I bet I should be using those values. < 1555521514 450659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Are write32 etc. doing endianness swaps? < 1555521528 551579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you writing the code in a way that's both unportable and hard to understand? < 1555521534 810301 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah they all do endianness < 1555521534 907225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endianness swaps are scow. < 1555521604 687296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned char buf[4] = { c >> 24, c >> 16, c >> 8, c }; < 1555521607 908485 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, suppose that i got the sign wrong on one of my descent values < 1555521612 918353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwrite(buf, 1, 4, f); < 1555521625 398037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endianness swaps should be illegal. < 1555521666 667401 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that happened, the descent would effectively be -4, making the whole hieght of the character 12 - 4 = 8, instead of 12 + 4 = 16 < 1555521726 329882 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my best guess as to what is happening < 1555521746 684904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascender is 24, descender is 7 < 1555521765 18926 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh.... < 1555521778 151231 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rounding involved I guess < 1555521820 454771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ascender is 1536, descender is 448 < 1555521854 735643 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that descent measured downward or upward I wonder < 1555521877 968484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try another font. < 1555521890 181974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ascender is 1920, descender is -512 < 1555521919 951680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'match lst as b return (lst = b -> A) with' <-- now what. < 1555521961 517915 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1555521986 838902 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's definitely a sign problem in one of my descender values < 1555522146 530123 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, hhea.descent is suppose to be negative < 1555522187 885967 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed it < 1555522237 680782 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhea.descent is of type "FWORD" < 1555522239 43392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4MB < 1555522247 782240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of B. < 1555522262 82896 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe I should compress it? < 1555522348 630314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now it looks fine. < 1555522377 221708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I lost that great ligature. < 1555522394 613647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a ligature in this case, just good kerning. < 1555522438 402613 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think css supports negative % line height? < 1555522458 539315 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it used for fonts that have excessive vertical space < 1555522475 344088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can certainly do it. < 1555522487 652047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doens't happen naturally now. < 1555522621 672350 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zip compresses it to 5 megabytes < 1555522651 39610 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. .5 Mb < 1555522676 646257 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's like, 20% size < 1555523515 772734 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555523534 462636 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00f491e2bfd9e95dfa.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555523838 139794 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1555524771 409080 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00f491e2bfd9e95dfa.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1555526690 834532 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555526799 607002 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1555527040 27076 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1555527187 311467 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1555527252 300141 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1555527920 416184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1555528712 187622 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do people do Baba Is You esoprogramming < 1555528715 369270 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a level editor? < 1555529260 13836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://babaiswiki.fandom.com/wiki/Level_editor seems to be the answer to that question < 1555529295 904085 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad! > 1555529513 82251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61260&oldid=61259 5* 03Helen 5* (-9791) 10/* Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen */ Moved to bottom (part 1) < 1555529541 931319 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1555529628 528748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61261&oldid=61260 5* 03Helen 5* (+9806) 10/*Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen*/ Moved to bottom (part 2) > 1555529994 666469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61262&oldid=61117 5* 03Helen 5* (+225) 10Suggenstion for [[Volatile]]'s push 1 trick < 1555530295 670166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1555530344 405465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so apparently Taneb hasn't invented Baba is you yet > 1555530361 862255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61263&oldid=61262 5* 03Helen 5* (+137) 10/* Volatile push 1 algorithm */ > 1555530371 854873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61264&oldid=61263 5* 03Helen 5* (+4) 10/* Volatile push 1 algorithm */ > 1555530439 945082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61265&oldid=61261 5* 03Helen 5* (+1) 10/* Some thoughts */ Spelling mistake (sorry I noticed and tried to ignore but I had to) > 1555530658 667574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61266&oldid=61264 5* 03Helen 5* (+189) 10New suggestion for 1 algorithm < 1555530747 747576 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 40*0.0254 < 1555530748 497086 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1.016 < 1555530767 803378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ %0.0254 < 1555530768 553380 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 39.3701 > 1555530894 616925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61267&oldid=61266 5* 03Helen 5* (+0) 10 < 1555530934 838904 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1555531093 904408 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1555531105 979009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric > 1555532148 108232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61268&oldid=61265 5* 03Helen 5* (+1) 10/* [Unsuccessful] Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen */ Changed title to be more useful > 1555532155 208495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61269&oldid=61268 5* 03Helen 5* (+11) 10/* [Unsuccessful] Compilation to Z3 by User:A and User:Helen */ > 1555532177 852667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61270&oldid=61269 5* 03Helen 5* (+30) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen and User:A */ < 1555532624 156648 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555532883 134895 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1555533246 572820 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1555533397 332073 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61271&oldid=58682 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+9) 10fix link for DJN < 1555533852 791701 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my φ < 1555533856 990859 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wrong < 1555533897 980665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the other phi < 1555534007 278406 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah at 3d5 ϕ < 1555534017 579276 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that apparently is the wrong way around? < 1555534151 25411 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh wikipedia doesn't clearly say whether 3d5 is the loopy phi or 3c6! < 1555534239 734050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ϕφ < 1555534250 469076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ϕφ < 1555534251 131921 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+03D5 GREEK PHI SYMBOL] [U+03C6 GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI] < 1555534254 81348 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is this fucking thing: ᵠ which is called MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI < 1555534268 345873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :small phi looks loopy here hth < 1555534286 872794 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on wikipedia I see a fucking PSI not a PHI < 1555534330 743828 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵠ < 1555534331 967213 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D60 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI] < 1555534478 354758 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what the fuck Calibri < 1555534670 264216 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do I report a mistake in Calibri < 1555534720 775332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use `complain [your complaint] < 1555534901 848807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1555534902 455195 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 share/Complaints.mp3 < 1555535499 111218 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does something like this even happen < 1555535628 476146 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and notget discovered for 5 years in one of the most popular typefaces in the world < 1555535660 703910 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no. calibri came out in 2007 < 1555535666 318318 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 years < 1555535904 975535 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555536161 943826 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1555536281 878763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: how do you know it didn't get discovered in 12 years? do you think that if it had been realized, an updated version of the font would have gotten to you by now? < 1555536345 989769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`\ < 1555536346 752015 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: \: not found < 1555536593 20193 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the calibri I have is from very recently installed MS Office < 1555536699 854895 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the string ψϕφᵠ here: https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/calibri < 1555536731 631261 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is the office installer recent too? because I could install twenty year old software very recently if I wanted. < 1555536739 200161 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry sorry < 1555536752 385409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid mathematician question < 1555536755 783831 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1555536820 750688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have verified that all of it comes from Calibri, not from replacement fonts, right? < 1555536890 817449 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1555536898 623562 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's version Version 5.62 < 1555536953 238958 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is not the most recent version < 1555536977 223271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/calibri view for just ϕφ is /so weird/. All the four possible different combinations of loopiness are there. < 1555537006 897508 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1555537018 407995 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/phi-characters-in-calibri-font-on-windows-78/e47e42d9-cc6a-4643-af1f-ae38a867575c < 1555537030 915827 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that Phi-related issue was already reported < 1555537063 91994 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hasn't been solved as of windows 10 < 1555537134 911317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was sort of a note on this in the Unicode code charts, last I was looking this up. < 1555537155 550405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :03C6 GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI: "the ordinary Greek letter, showing considerable glyph variation". < 1555537207 264456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ "in mathematical contexts, the loopy glyph is preferred, to contrast with 03D5". < 1555537236 904019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notes for 03D5 GREEP PHY SYMBOL on the other hand explicitly say "used as a technical symbol, with a stroked glyph". < 1555537267 365673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...GREEP PHY. < 1555537269 247966 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got a response from a guy from Microsoft. "Hello, Thank you for reporting this issue. It has been forwarded to the appropriate team within Microsoft." < 1555537422 993893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An euphemism, no doubt. < 1555537440 220430 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00a4c4c63a533e628e.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555537467 908323 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just fwiw, I reproduced here easily. Other fonts in the stable have" < 1555537469 18334 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct glyphs, and it may be just the Calibri regular body font. < 1555537485 724692 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :says some guy with an @microsoft.com address < 1555537782 616094 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1555538127 888707 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00a4c4c63a533e628e.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555538220 583074 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1555538385 884955 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555540369 306220 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1555541194 126186 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555541240 744778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1555541252 768363 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :joining for the phi talk, interesting Unicode issue < 1555541279 936810 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/03d5/index.htm had an 'Old name' of "GREEK SMALL LETTER SCRIPT PHI", which suggests to me the curly form. Checking up on what this means in specs, looks like Unicode 1.0 U+03D5 was called "GREEK SMALL LETTER SCRIPT PHI", was the curly one, with a note "used as a technical symbol". In 1.1 the name was changed to "GREEK PHI SYMBOL" which represents the technical symbol sense, but looses t < 1555541547 502596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to say for the record that despite User:A being involved, bitch is actually an interesting language < 1555541569 519841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it probably /is/ TC, but the proof may require you to do something silly like shifting the accumuluator by itself < 1555541594 243640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…come to think of it, maybe that isn't so silly, you could probably use it as a modulo test? < 1555541642 305650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: Yes, I didn't notice the answers.microsoft.com also linked to the long story, namely UTR 25 https://unicode.org/reports/tr25/ "2.3.1 Representative Glyphs for Greek Phi" which describes how they swapped the representative glyphs around Unicode 3.0. < 1555541651 165335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is clearly only useful for initialization as it brings the entire virtual machine to a known state < 1555541672 588712 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My take is that in 1.0 U+03d5 must be curly, in 1.1 I don't think you can say which the correct glyph for either U+03D5 or U+03C6 is. U+03C6 makes more sense to be curly, because that is the "modern" written form, but for symbol golden ratio requires closed form, while other uses require curly < 1555541804 182349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem is that the only actual conditional that exists in the language checks to see if the accumulator is 0, which makes the language a PDA if you stick entirely to bit-at-a-time operations… < 1555541846 944916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From UTR 25: "For mathematical and technical use, the straight form ϕ of the /small phi/ is an important symbol (TEX \phi) and needs to be consistently distinguishable from the loopy form (TEX \varphi). The straight form phi glyph ϕ is used as the representative glyph for the /phi symbol/ at U+03D5 to satisfy this distinction." < 1555541863 959293 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hadn't actually read that, I was just figuring it out from the old 1.0 spec, this looks like good info. I may have assumed the change happened in 1.1 in my previous msg. < 1555541907 306190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes on to at least strongly imply U+03D5 must be straight, and says of U+03C6 that "fonts used primarily for Greek text may use either glyph form -- but fonts that also intend to support technical use of the Greek letters should use the loopy form". < 1555541917 556729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To summarize: characters are hard. < 1555542009 333502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Unicode would have been way better off if it consistently encoded (script, shape) pairs, with the two halves being independent where they made sense to be < 1555542020 596938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, "technical, phi" and "Greek, phi" wouldn't have to share rules at all < 1555542030 88374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this would also work pretty well for CJK, Cyrillic versus Latin, etc.) < 1555542043 184148 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: agree, characters are hard. From wikipedia the phi article looks to me like probability theory distinguishes between curly phi and old-phi: " probability density function of the normal distribution" vs "characteristic function of a random variable X" < 1555542050 57190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two letters which were visually similar would be given the same "shape" even if they had an entirely different meaning (with the script telling them apart) < 1555542111 385782 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also the Turkish dotted i murders < 1555542205 496474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, this plan fixes Turkish i too < 1555542243 71824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uppercase of (Latin, dotted I) is I (i.e. (Latin, dotless capital I)), and the uppercase of (Turkish, dotted I) is İ (i.e. (Turkish, dotted capital I)) < 1555542256 854939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on a quick grep, I've never used \phi and \varphi in the same .tex file. < 1555542358 131472 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fix would be to add another meaningful symbol character if curly-phi and old-straight-phi are really meaningfully different symbols, and Greek letter phi can still have either/any glyph. < 1555542464 649064 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technical phi seems overloaded currently, as there are two different technical phis you might want to represent < 1555542560 16389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1555542605 894701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER TAILLESS PHI < 1555542608 57613 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ⱷ < 1555542672 846301 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agree re. bitch being interesting, I was trying last night to create BCT using the commands. I don't think it is TC as any useful operation you can do to the accumulator ends up destroying it, and the bit-shifting, while tantalising, doesn't actually help < 1555542707 639919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: the problem, from my point of view, is more trying to shift data /out/ of the bit storage < 1555542722 733073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can store arbitrary amounts of data in there, but I can't see any way to figure out how much you have to be able to retrieve it < 1555542736 565426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, nondestructively, at least < 1555542749 631291 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted I wasn't trying super hard, but since I can't _proove_ it isn't TC, I'm just going to state opinions in chat FWIW... < 1555542858 489023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...brainfuck was the features language on the wiki for pretty much my entire time at uni <-- it symbolizes how your brain got well and truly fucked hth < 1555542912 464951 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly, that was my experience, you can move bits back and forth, but there is nowhere else to store anything -- I don't think there is a way to simulate two registers, or access both ends for BCT, it still just a single accumulator < 1555542960 577359 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels close, and that's what makes it interesting I guess. It's not obvious it's not TC, and feels like there could be a trick. I'm not sure I want to spend more time on it though! < 1555543013 817100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be TC if there were a way to do an if statement based on the bottom bit, that'd let you so something High Rise-ish < 1555543019 556158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1555543034 475950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly the same, but a similar principle behind the TCness < 1555543131 996810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh: can't you just simulate a 1D cellular automaton? < 1555543179 799743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 110 seems trivial to write in this, as does simulating an infinite repeating pattern at one end; unfortunately, the rule 110 TCness proof requires a repeating pattern at /both/ ends < 1555543202 511481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we aren't limited to neighbourhoods of size 1, so just pick a more complex automaton that works from a blank tape < 1555543236 546056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem at this point is the lack of parentheses in expressions… < 1555543256 20665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have enough power to write automata but maybe not all automata < 1555543259 151879 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there other candidates other than 110? < 1555543260 962686 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1555543294 872111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: in terms of size-1-neighbourhood, and not counting rules that are symmetrically equivalent, rule 30 is the other main candidate, its TCness is unknown < 1555543359 224786 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's the random number generating one < 1555543366 562778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :al < 1555543371 670110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*allegedly it's not a very good RNG < 1555543376 644590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Mathematica uses it as one, yes < 1555543499 457031 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that seems like a more promising avenue. All the talk about loops and conditionals didn't seem like the main obstacle. The Z3 article was an interesting addition to the wiki, but I don't see how helped that much with bitch. CA seems worthwhile to pursue further < 1555543563 761069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't use conditionals you pretty much have to use a ZISC, and cellular automata are about all you can manage in terms of a ZISC on a single string of bits < 1555543574 336629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a separate pointer into it < 1555543690 658563 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of noise on the bitch TC talk page, but it does seem like a legitimately interesting question. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so < 1555543775 373223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next problem is how to actually do the CA steps using only operations of the form a @= a << k and a @= a >> k, for constant k and @ representing and/or/xor < 1555543804 985567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that you place the bits onto the tape in a very spread-out way, and possibly use some sort of Golomb ruler to make the correct bits interact < 1555543862 65952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being, how do you prevent the unused tape elements from interfering with the ones you want to use? < 1555543899 138136 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1555544062 616498 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to prove something isn't TC? I feel it's down to the "2"ness of needing at least two registers or counters for a Minsky machine, and any number of equivalent TC formulations, you need two distinct places for some kind of manipulation, and bitch only gives you one, maybe one and a bit < 1555544105 99625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure for CAs, because they sort of ignore the halting thing < 1555544110 574629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is very low-powered, you can normally prove it sub-TC either with a state-counting argument or the pumping lemma < 1555544123 179287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, for more powerful languages like PDAs and LBAs, that's much harder < 1555544146 704359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for things that clearly halt, proving you can decide halting is a way < 1555544152 737333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can prove that there's something a language can't do, that normally proves it sub-TC, but it's hard to make that work < 1555544153 755386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clearly halt or not < 1555544160 576175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, proving decidability also works < 1555544182 159253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can have a language with no explicit halt state that's still T/C (e.g. the I/D machine), you have to define some other way to observe output though < 1555544204 887138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally the halt state compiles to some sort of tight loop < 1555544256 168845 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1555544391 334652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the problem being, how do you prevent the unused tape elements from interfering with the ones you want to use? <-- maybe you can place bits strategically to allow post-cleanup after each round < 1555544499 542643 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1555544632 990474 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1555544709 589242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the bigger problem seems to be the fact that you only have one bitshift per statement < 1555544837 377301 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for bugs or unspecified helpful behaviour in the interpreters was another avenue I thought of, but is cheaty. I only tried the TIO version to get a feel for how helpful the bit shift was < 1555544969 152183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : *kʷos? <-- no bitcoin, settle for pie? < 1555545046 614911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't actually looked carefully at Bitch. and is afraid of looking at the latest talk page edits. < 1555545088 509640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ₿ < 1555545089 650496 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1555545096 821512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ₿ < 1555545097 932500 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1555545125 105674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls share/U* < 1555545127 662564 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :share/UnicodeData.txt < 1555545132 421146 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language stands alone and is easy enough to understand, some of the examples are probably distracting too, but the basic spec is fine < 1555545136 145757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag share/UnicodeData.txt < 1555545137 856794 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11561:2018-05-15 fetch share/UnicodeData.txt http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt \ 11560:2018-05-15 ` hg cat -r 11537 share/UnicodeData.txt >share/UnicodeData.txt \ 11538:2018-05-01 fetch share/UnicodeData.txt ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt \ 8622:2016-06-27 ` mv Unic* share \ 6553:2016-01-13 ` mv share/UnicodeD{*,ata.txt} < 1555545160 141961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch share/UnicodeData.txt http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt < 1555545164 895800 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019-04-17 23:52:44 URL:http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt [1797715/1797715] -> "share/UnicodeData.txt" [1] < 1555545172 107397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ₿ < 1555545173 364611 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1555545176 79292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1555545199 625212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's apparently wrong. < 1555545204 272350 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1555545214 404507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ₿ < 1555545214 461006 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 130 191 < 1555545222 663280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ₿ < 1555545223 425733 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8383 < 1555545234 834032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ₿ < 1555545235 798461 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x82\xbf' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'. < 1555545244 475922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1555545248 315735 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1555545251 639855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been seen before < 1555545260 605177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? snowman < 1555545261 637732 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :snowman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1555545268 298534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haiku < 1555545269 361919 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🀨や⛄ < 1555545283 386381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⛄ < 1555545284 375139 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x9b\x84' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'. < 1555545290 306209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ⛄ < 1555545291 100987 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW] < 1555545318 183016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode ⛄ < 1555545319 144221 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x9b\x84' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'. < 1555545331 529111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot quite remember if that used to work. < 1555545417 430372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` icode ₿ | cat -v < 1555545418 714279 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1555545444 307729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` icode ₿ | hexdump < 1555545445 640343 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1555545478 729906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they haven't updated that file. < 1555545496 248564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but putty shows the character just fine :(