00:01:31 <kmc> what about it particularly?
00:02:02 <b_jonas> little random stuff all the time, whenever I read or watch anything about america on the internet
00:02:24 <b_jonas> like how they have keyholes mounted such that the cut part of the key faces up, rather than down
00:03:53 <oerjan> logically, it's only because you're biased to think hungary is normal
00:06:04 <fizzie> Something that surprised me here is that all apartment doors open towards the inside, while in Finland they all open towards the outside. (Well, "outside", I mean the staircase/corridor, but outside of the apartment anyway.)
00:06:38 <oerjan> <fizzie> FireFly: The context is that it all works on many browsers, with the exception of IE, where (AIUI) the scrolling doesn't work and the anchors are considered case-insensitive. Actually, I guess those might be the same problem? I haven't paid too much attention either. <-- yep, it scrolls, but to the first case-insensitive match
00:06:39 <HackEso> This wisdom entry had to be removed due to a DMCA takedown notice.
00:07:05 <shachaf> oerjan: Did the workaround work?
00:08:20 <fizzie> oerjan: I see. I did consider setting up a second set of non-case-sensitive anchors, using those "by default" (as in, for the links you get when you click on the nickname), and then including the old "l..." anchors only in older pages that may or may not have been linked to before. But that seems like a bit of a bother.
00:08:27 <oerjan> fizzie: i'm pretty sure opening towards the outside is a fire safety requirement at least in norway. there was a very famous church fire where lots of people died because they didn't.
00:09:04 <fizzie> oerjan: Public buildings I think do it here too, but private apartment exterior doors are different.
00:09:38 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_Church_fire
00:11:40 <fizzie> Internet seems to have a bunch of articles about this, but no conclusive answers.
00:11:47 <fizzie> "Why do front doors open out in Sweden?"
00:12:50 <fizzie> They suggest it's because you get less snow inside when the door opens outwards.
00:14:01 <fizzie> There's a lot of these odd little "it's mostly arbitrary, and they just do it differently here" things.
00:15:34 <b_jonas> fizzie: exactly. like how in some strange places, even in Europe, light switches are at waist height, not at shoulder height.
00:18:55 <oerjan> hm my light switches are waist height.
00:19:30 <fizzie> The ones here are sort of chest-height.
00:19:32 <pikhq> Uh, since when are light switches anywhere near shoulder height?
00:19:44 <pikhq> Yeah, that's about chest height.
00:20:10 <pikhq> Bit lower than that, but above waist height.
00:20:26 <pikhq> Light switches here are kinda at... convenient to operate with hands height?
00:22:01 <oerjan> hungarians always use their noses hth
00:22:14 <oerjan> very practical when carrying something.
00:22:24 <fizzie> Another surprise: kerbside collection of trash.
00:22:42 <lambdabot> *** "kerb" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
00:22:42 <lambdabot> n 1: an edge between a sidewalk and a roadway consisting of a
00:22:42 <lambdabot> line of curbstones (usually forming part of a gutter) [syn:
00:23:01 <fizzie> Back in Finland I don't think that happens anywhere, it's always a bin of some sort.
00:23:15 <fizzie> Here is just piles of bags on the streets.
00:24:34 <oerjan> i think here christmas trees are just put on the curb next to the bin, as a special case once a year.
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00:25:09 <oerjan> they may have been more lenient about it before started charging people based on their bin size
00:25:32 <fizzie> I guess "kerbside collection" might also mean that thing where you have your own house with a driveway and a smaller bin where it meets the street, which does happen in Finland too, especially in less urban areas.
00:26:14 <fizzie> But here it's bags on the pavement where pedestrians walk.
00:27:05 <b_jonas> bins are usually used here, with certain exceptions
00:29:06 <oerjan> where i live now has underground containers, which may not have been such a good idea because the one for paper is clearly undersized.
00:29:26 <b_jonas> oerjan: oh, I've seen those in France, and also some in Sweden
00:29:53 <oerjan> and then the garbage truck comes and lifts up the whole thing
00:30:06 <fizzie> Are these those round things?
00:30:10 <b_jonas> lifting up happens here too, but not from underground
00:30:51 <fizzie> You get them in Finland too, for some reason especially harbours.
00:30:58 <fizzie> Haven't seen any here.
00:31:36 <fizzie> The "Molok®-waste containers"
00:31:50 <oerjan> i thought they were cubical but i may not have been paying attention. on top there's a token-triggered automaton to open it
00:31:59 <fizzie> With a "Genuine and original Deep Collection® method".
00:32:24 <fizzie> https://www.molok.com/
00:32:44 <fizzie> I'm sure there are others too, and looks like Molok has cubical ones as well.
00:34:54 <fizzie> I'm not even sure the ones I've seen are genuine Molok products, but my father calls all of them that anyway.
00:35:48 <fizzie> In fact I didn't know it was a brand, I always thought the name was some sort of reference to Moloch.
00:36:14 <fizzie> Not quite sure how that would work, mythologically speaking.
00:38:04 <fizzie> (It's a Finnish company so makes sense I'd've seen them there.)
00:40:37 <oerjan> i've seen moloks elsewhere in down (i found the name amusing because moloch)
00:44:00 <oerjan> from google images i conclude there are way too many brands.
00:46:43 <fizzie> I once borrowed a van from Melkisedek Oy. The hand brake didn't work, and instead of the owner's manual there was a Bible in the glove box.
00:46:56 <fizzie> On the other hand, it was very cheap.
00:50:42 <oerjan> ah searching on the local garbage collection website found a picture https://email@example.com
00:51:44 <oerjan> that's exactly the same
00:53:39 <oerjan> i think melkisedek at least was a supposedly good guy
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15:08:21 <lambdabot> EGLL 191450Z AUTO 06008KT 010V090 9999 NCD 23/04 Q1028 NOSIG
15:25:25 <lambdabot> LOWI 191520Z VRB03KT 9999 FEW070 22/M01 Q1025 BECMG 10008KT
15:25:39 <int-e> ... the M01 is kind of impressive.
15:26:17 <int-e> Though apparently that corresponds to 27% humidity. I expected less.
15:26:48 <int-e> (Hmm, no. That's different data: 21.4°C and 1.6°C dewpoint.)
15:42:35 <fizzie> dpcalc.org says 22% RH for 22/M01.
15:44:38 <rain1> http://blog.zarfhome.com/2019/04/what-is-zil-anyway.html
16:05:19 <zzo38> I have not programmed in ZIL or Inform, but I know Z-machine programming and have made a few implementations of Z-machine. I have also hand optimized a subroutine in Zork I once (from only the assembly language code), but do not remember what it was. I also wrote the "Tricky Document", which describes many tricks and optimizations for Z-machine code, many of which are not used as far as I know.
16:09:48 <rain1> the tricky document is cool, i like that
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16:20:30 <zzo38> Somehow I have a piece of a ZIL code in my computer. Since I know Z-machine programming I can guess what it is doing; it seems to be capitalizing a room name to display in the status window. One line says <SET N </ <WINGET 1 ,K-W-XSIZE> ,GL-SPACE-WIDTH>>; WINGET is an instruction specific to YZIP, so presumably this is YZIP code. (Also, presumably the compiler would optimize out the SET instruction; the DIV instruction can set the variable directl
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16:33:43 <esowiki> [[AT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61318&oldid=61317 * IQBigBang * (+4)
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18:33:19 <zzo38> Will a 410 response to HTTP requests for the favicon file cause clients to not try to request the file every time?
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19:09:27 <zzo38> If my character (Ziveruskex) spit poison do you think it is sense if someone who does not have red blood may be resisted or immune? Once a drider was immune. I think a spider has blue blood, isn't it?
19:15:54 <b_jonas> spiders use poison themselves, so maybe that's why they're immune
19:16:41 <zzo38> But I think it is a different poison probably
19:18:06 <b_jonas> oh yeah, spiders are not immune
19:18:16 <b_jonas> because there are cannibal spiders
19:18:28 <b_jonas> also http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm doesn't say they're immune
19:20:39 <b_jonas> also I'm re-reading Jules Verne's "La Jangada", and at one point it tells that a tribe of natives fight with their blowpipe projectiles tipped with curare poison, and describes the effects of curare and how it's made
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20:39:44 <HackEso> smlist 497: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
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22:41:19 <oren> techincally humans have poison
22:43:11 <oren> IIRC human bites on other animals get infected very frequently
22:43:31 <zzo38> OK, but still it is a different poison than the other one
22:48:15 <zzo38> Do you know what is supposed to do in NNTP to indicate in response to a POST command the difference of rejecting a article because it is malformed or rejecting a article due to the server being temporarily unable to write to the database?
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23:05:54 <zzo38> Can there be something like OpenID with SASL that can then be used without a webpage? To support that any implementation may be in use and is not tied to any specific implementation
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23:22:55 <kmc> oren: I wouldn't call it poison if it's another creature doing the infection and not a chemical
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23:33:24 <oerjan> it occurs to me in the current girl genius arch that it would be very convenient right about now if someone has happened to bring a bit of water from the Dyne.
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23:54:04 <shachaf> zzo38, oerjan: What is Black-Johansen text packing?
23:57:11 <zzo38> shachaf: The algorithm is described in this document: http://zzo38computer.org/zmachine/doc/tricky.txt
23:59:19 <zzo38> I can also explain how text is encoded in Z-machine programs. It is encoded as a series of 5-bit characters, where 1 and 2 and 3 mean together with the next 5-bit character selects a "frequent word" to emit, while 4 and 5 are shifts.