, you generate a dist-distributed integer n and then generate (a a … a (n times)), where each a is independent (it would be boring if they were all the same);
< 1554414948 627103 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I picked a handful of “simple enough” distributions that in some sense abbreviated simple PCFG patterns, including recursive (e. g. if X → X a | <1−p> ε, then X realises as a concatenation of n a’s where n is geometrically distributed with parameter p (or something like p, it’s non-essential here));
< 1554414948 627117 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used a quantifier-like notations for them, so X from the example would be expressible as a*
;
< 1554414948 668070 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also tell about what I mean by parameters but only if someone asks, as it’s already quite a wall of text; shortly speaking, nonterminal symbols allow to take arguments and be now defined by cases (these should be provably disjoint, or it wreaks the context-freeness and like) with simple pattern matching (a variable or a const symbol);
< 1554414948 754408 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, it is possible to calculate mean or even stddev and I think any higher moments of text generated by any expression, if only the grammar is correct enough, which is checkable too;
< 1554414948 754448 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :further, one also can introduce (probabilistic) functions which take _text_ arguments instead of abstract symbols etc., but it could destroy our neat statistic analysis from above. I’m finished :o
< 1554415586 190337 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, “ e1 | … | en” stands for “pick e to be any one of e1 with weight w1, …, en with weight en and generate e”. To the time, I haven’t thought up something less clumsy, also weights are optional and default to 1 (if someone is interested to use this notation in its full glory; also I’d recommend to allow an optional “|” at the start to allow neat code, but note it demands forbidding to name the empty string by an empty
< 1554415586 305717 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression, or the notation becomes ambiguous)
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< 1554418275 63489 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0010ea588fc49763be.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1554419607 618716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --pokemon 20
< 1554419608 511772 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawott psyduck eleo typh noctina reuniclusle worm dodra licent smear yung escash hippowdon slugia fraxurkrow dusknoir tor wiggersian horseak herdier
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< 1554419924 392987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read some papers on unsupervised PCFG induction, think I was planning to use them for something, can't remember what.
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< 1554420506 303447 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have read only one paper about PCFG to understand how to make sure there is zero probability of non-terminating generation and something else (it’s also in link with if a naive formula for mean length is true), but that article saw PCFG primarily as a parsing tool, though it fortunately shares correctness criteria with PCFG a text generator. The last one’s probably viewed as not serious enough
< 1554420806 228350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, well. Managed to locate two papers on grammar induction in my home directory (Natural language grammar induction with a generative constituent-context model, Klein & Manning 2004; Automatic acquisition and efficient representation of syntactic structures, Solan et al. no-date-on-PDF) but actually neither of them generates a PCFG though they do cite papers that do.
< 1554420905 613904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think parsing is what they usually get used for.
< 1554420996 882414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --pokemon --esolangs 20
< 1554420997 748243 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :keldorainfernants dhelio blimpole squil vile rant cute mor ntcm reshiel um-32 trig scor metal houndex.php kellspro stung bit back snub
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< 1554421024 204553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, "houndex.php".
< 1554421219 126607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What if she admits to you that she has killed all her previous [...] <-- this sounds like a great scheme for getting bayesian rationalists to gain darwin awards
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< 1554422444 677966 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the beginning of your precombat main phase, you gain life equal to the number of different colors of mana in your mana pool.
< 1554422489 231213 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1554422703 542129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i prefer not to get into precombat phases twh
< 1554422901 365047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How many colors do you have in your mana pool, anyway?
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< 1554423344 384875 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you made a implementation of Z-machine in any esolangs?
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< 1554426496 91898 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even, which esolangs are suitable for implementing Z-machine?)
< 1554426616 404716 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(INTERCAL with file I/O and byte arrays might do)
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< 1554430811 83824 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
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< 1554432886 782214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in freefall, things might get awkward if the ship really means winston
< 1554433036 255103 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I cannot think of what rooms to put in, is there some algorithm I can use dice and tables or whatever to make up something at random and then I can alter the results as needed until it is suitable?
< 1554433081 982797 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It has been suggested maybe it is based on the genre, but, I am not sure what if any genre is applicable for this kind of story, of Game of XYZABCDE -- Part II.)
< 1554434071 347862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Remind me, did you play The Witness?
< 1554434100 563007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's free on epicgames.com for a couple of weeks.
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< 1554434449 502384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, you id.
< 1554434452 245793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
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< 1554440119 315230 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d50-92-136-215.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to make up some Magic: the Gathering card?
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> 1554442631 363232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60902 5* 03A 5* (+228) 10First edit
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> 1554443436 379701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60904&oldid=60903 5* 03A 5* (+1027) 10/* Examples */
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> 1554443711 80694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60905&oldid=60904 5* 03A 5* (+248) 10/* Number tricks */
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> 1554444358 797483 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60906&oldid=60905 5* 03A 5* (+56) 10/* Computational Class */
> 1554444881 436430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60907&oldid=60821 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10/* General Ideas */
> 1554445107 643603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60908&oldid=60907 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* General Ideas */
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< 1554456465 262169 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone use 9cc? know how to fix this problem ? https://github.com/rui314/9cc/issues/18
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< 1554456553 681068 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that like between domain cards and sunburst cards?
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< 1554462882 139328 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1113738764797534208
< 1554463052 583582 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tldr: frign from suckless keeps spamming lennart with invites to conferences, writing from a host that's a nazi symbol
< 1554463204 319934 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this was meant for a different channel
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< 1554464519 689549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I played it quite a bit but never got any of the pillars completed.
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< 1554467606 796505 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which chanel?
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> 1554468583 764826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60909&oldid=60885 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+325) 10/* Specifications */
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> 1554471323 176552 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60910&oldid=60889 5* 03Nobody 5* (+15) 10Added Bitdeque, will create a page for it
< 1554471408 527340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read some pages about hifi enthusiast pseudoscience, and now everywhere ads are trying to sell me a €450 three-plug mains extension cord.
< 1554471984 683913 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it gold-plated?
< 1554472039 902537 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like https://www.xkcd.com/670/ ?
< 1554472514 921360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it needs to be properly shielded as well; can't have any noise on that sweet 50Hz hum. ;-)
< 1554472615 904970 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe add a low-pass filter while you're at it. The only problem is, it might make an actual difference.)
> 1554472996 655817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitdeque14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60911 5* 03Nobody 5* (+1531) 10Created
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< 1554490052 714534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` quote; wisdom
< 1554490053 563565 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :610) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. \ tab//Tab is both a computer keyboard key and a soda pop brand.
< 1554490056 505581 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1554490057 334172 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shannon//Shannon forbade non mathematically minded people from reading his research papers. Taneb invented Shannon, his research papers, and Shannon's prohibition. \ 83) okay I see it now, quines do exist
< 1554490085 525036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` wisdom; quote
< 1554490087 994964 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgtm//Sergeant Mustard \ 566) (Of Minecraft:) So basically I didn't understand what it was at all, I thought maybe you were meant to be like a worm and just sort of wriggle about underground.
< 1554490151 529170 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe
< 1554490152 196731 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderate oven and simmer \ until firm. Serve hot in bodied fresh, mustard, orange and cheese. \ \ Combine the cheese and salt together the dough in a large skillet; add the ingredients \ and stir in the chocolate and pepper. \ \ Recipe By : \ \ MMMMM \ \ MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05 \ \ Title: BARBARA PULPOICE \ Categories: Carnin, Chicken \ Yield: 4 Servings \ \ Thai & Popcorn \ 6 oz Candied PER SERRETS \ 2 qt VEGETA
< 1554490157 139748 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roborosewater
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< 1554490157 879773 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: roborosewater: not found
< 1554490159 242732 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? roborosewater
< 1554490160 341813 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RoboRosewater is generating random Magic: the Gathering cards, see https://mobile.twitter.com/roborosewater
< 1554490317 245425 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/RoboRosewater/status/1074420139733516288 roborosewater doesn't seem to understand how that would lead to a one-hit kill
< 1554490432 814447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`starwars 4
< 1554490448 837473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1554490468 42842 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jar Jar Binks \ Salacious Crumb \ Darth Vader \ Taun We
< 1554490474 522612 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took time
< 1554492062 97616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1554492063 106122 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is invalid.
< 1554492075 833073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The password of the month is experiencing technical difficulties. )
< 1554492523 661648 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tuna
< 1554492524 628867 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuna? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1554495155 936560 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? language boson
< 1554495156 982197 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :language boson? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1554499849 740056 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-184.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tias
< 1554499850 899854 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tias? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554500351 348507 :NikopolSohru!~Nikopol_@unaffiliated/nikopolsohru PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1554515318 337041 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi peeps, so where can I learn about category theory?
< 1554515403 890072 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because today I met someone who said that they like types because of the commuting diagram of fold, and I want to be able to understand what they have in mind
< 1554519419 234876 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthis: Well, what kind of background do you have? Usually what I recommend generically is Steve Awodey's book "Category Theory", but while it has almost no prerequisites mathematically, it's definitely written in a style that might be uncomfortable if you're not used to reading mathematics.
< 1554519481 771447 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which commuting diagram that person would have been referring to, but there are some category theoretical approaches to discussing what folds are, via so-called "F-algebras"
< 1554519554 933826 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F algebras look like the kind he had in mind
< 1554519575 894222 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More precisely, that's a formulation of what "catamorphisms" are -- despite the name, that's a term from computer science and not category theory originally)
< 1554519626 974286 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a bunch of things programmers might refer to as folds which are not quite catamorphisms, and a bunch of things which are catamorphisms that most programmers might shy away from calling a fold at first.
< 1554519627 496303 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Packing up computer stuff for moving
< 1554519661 878980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"catamorphism" is a pointless term, just say "fold" hth
< 1554519678 202485 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, fair enough
< 1554519678 784217 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have great difficulty understanding abstractions unless I can keep in mind a particular instantiation of it
< 1554519697 499604 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages are you familiar with? Can I write some Haskell examples?
< 1554519705 550799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one theorem that every initial F-algebra is an isomorphism is pretty good.
< 1554519708 495726 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is fine
< 1554519719 252511 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so suppose we have a type like this:
< 1554519749 805477 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nature a = Rock | Stream a (Nature a) | Bush (Nature a) (Nature a)
< 1554519780 966051 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's intentionally a bit weird just to give some different cases :)
< 1554519822 154332 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, one of the most common patterns that comes up in programming with algebraic data types is to just replace each constructor throughout with another specified value
< 1554519845 221896 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for example, we might usefully provide:
< 1554519858 675413 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldNature rock stream bush = f
< 1554519862 534770 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : where
< 1554519868 246640 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : f Rock = rock
< 1554519883 70907 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (Stream x n) = stream x (f n)
< 1554519901 758432 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : f (Bush n n') = bush (f n) (f n')
< 1554519942 986916 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the resulting function f will go through a Nature value and replace each occurrence of Rock with rock, Stream with stream, and Bush with bush
< 1554519965 910809 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we do this thing for lists, that's a (right) fold
< 1554520009 384664 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It replaces each cons in the list with some specified function, and the empty list at the end (if any) with a specified value
< 1554520055 986677 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like fold
< 1554520060 274792 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1554520113 793529 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :These functions, which are uniquely determined by the type in some sense that can be made more precise, are called catamorphisms (or perhaps just folds)
< 1554520140 371479 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But note that this doesn't get us the left fold on the list type, that one is something less natural.
< 1554520185 54487 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in general, it doesn't immediately get us a way to sequentialise the elements of a type, like some generalised notions people have called "fold" would
< 1554520198 684921 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just about substituting structure
< 1554520310 43240 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea for getting at this in a more general way is to make the recursion in the data type more explicit
< 1554520328 947145 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could start with some type which was abstracted over the places where we were going to be recursive:
< 1554520350 400161 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nature a n = Rock | Stream a n | Bush n n
< 1554520366 500202 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then write a type-level fixed point:
< 1554520390 834951 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Fix f = In (f (Fix f))
< 1554520408 664685 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :out :: Fix f -> f (Fix f)
< 1554520413 626345 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :out (In x) = x
< 1554520439 816751 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that now Fix (Nature a) becomes equivalent to our original type
< 1554520452 502726 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a lot of noisy In's)
< 1554520540 570692 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, think about a function of type Nature a b -> b
< 1554520570 915161 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a function is kind of like the specification of our three arguments in the above thing, rock, stream, and bush
< 1554520601 120716 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, if we have some h :: Nature a b -> b
< 1554520665 360868 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's say it the other way, if we wanted to specify such a function h, we could do it as follows:
< 1554520671 335756 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :h Rock = rock
< 1554520709 681052 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :h (Stream x n) = stream x n -- no recursion now
< 1554520719 922723 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :h (Bush n n') = bush n n'
< 1554520740 246353 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choosing such a rock, stream, and bush will uniquely determine which function h is.
< 1554520752 959500 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since these generically handle all the cases
< 1554520785 981579 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense but I'm going to have to spend time on understanding Fix
< 1554520795 753079 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a single function of type (Nature a b -> b), using this non-recursive version of Nature is a way of capturing all the arguments we would have given to the fold
< 1554520863 827443 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's a way to generically write a fold which will work on types that are expressed in this way (so long as it turns out that the type we're taking the fixed point of is a Functor)
< 1554520884 873215 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, let's look at Fix a bit more carefully
< 1554520917 121561 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, before, we might've written some value like Bush (Stream 1 (Stream 2 Rock)) (Stream 3 Rock)
< 1554520975 254810 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the Fix version, each "In" gets us another level deeper, basically, so with that approach, the corresponding value would look like:
< 1554521013 125564 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In (Bush (In (Stream 1 (In (Stream 2 (In Rock))))) (In (Stream 3 (In Rock))))
< 1554521050 894991 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: Fix (Nature Integer)
< 1554521070 485486 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for not naming them differently, I didn't feel like writing primes everywhere today)
< 1554521126 685328 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In :: Nature a (Fix (Nature a)) -> Fix (Nature a)
< 1554521135 426676 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more generally
< 1554521141 709996 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In :: f (Fix f) -> Fix f
< 1554521176 685194 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's possible to write:
< 1554521188 18586 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cata :: Functor f => (f a -> a) -> Fix f -> a
< 1554521225 230967 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyancata
< 1554521239 407265 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cata h (In x) = h (fmap (cata h) x)
< 1554521249 485726 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or slightly more fancily
< 1554521263 240070 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cata h = h . fmap (cata h) . out
< 1554521298 524911 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this Functor bit is the category theory creeping its way in a little
< 1554521367 998282 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a programmer's perspective, the (Functor f) just expresses the constraint that we need a way to take any function, say of type a -> b, and some value of type f a, and obtain a value of type f b
< 1554521378 454197 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. we can turn functions of type a -> b into functions of type f a -> f b
< 1554521429 847355 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pick any such type f, and then its fixed point has some notion of fold, given by that 'cata' thing
< 1554521452 357181 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1554521544 579097 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit more going on there that you can tease out, but that's really the gist of it
< 1554521557 149654 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1554521596 166529 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually when I actually use this stuff, I much prefer the definitions like foldNature to the fully generic thing
< 1554521616 940604 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But having such a function is very often useful
< 1554521637 467721 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially when the type is actually recursive, but sometimes even when it's not!)
< 1554521953 150282 :doesthis!47c1bd98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.193.189.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
> 1554521955 57226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60912&oldid=60909 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+301) 10/* Specifications */
> 1554521970 885654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60913&oldid=60912 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1) 10/* = Operating content of file */
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< 1554548682 28023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banana
< 1554548683 73122 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananananananana BATMAN!
< 1554548685 865391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lens
< 1554548687 66358 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lens is just a store comonad coalgebra.
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< 1554555153 511173 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
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< 1554572628 105913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: erghea bs fpravp cbaq was quite good. (I had the right idea for the raqtnzr very soon, but arranging the required bireynl took quite some effort)
< 1554573628 509723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1554575571 854534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1554575741 120635 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1554575970 263779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Digi-RGB and IMIDI?
< 1554576154 809601 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1554576159 247233 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont work with anything like that
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< 1554576475 460344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A format could also be made up for transmitting IMIDI messages with infrared signals; in this way the signal is one way (wired IMIDI is two ways), but the infrared can also include a device number, maybe three bits device number.
< 1554576819 998127 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is IMIDI and Digi-RGB
< 1554577201 217391 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554578018 598038 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554578432 585702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is something I invented; Digi-RGB is a video signal (one way only), having several balanced pairs, which is clock, vsync, red, green, blue; at first I had four of each red/green/blue so that there are two clock cycles per pixel, but someone suggested making it more serialized to have less pins and more clock cycles per pixel.
< 1554578515 74324 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554578516 606099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMIDI is a kind of two way MIDI, and is not only for music it can be used for many kind of stuff including television. Most commands are like MIDI, although the format of SysEx payloads is different (the framing is the same though), and a few other commands for device selection (a device address is a sequence of 7-bit numbers)
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< 1554582542 192582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It wa pretty clear that you had to use the cevfba trick, but the fact that you had to use it twice (with grkg vf qrsrng) was sneaky.
< 1554582628 891934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many clock cycles per pixel do you think should be in Digi-RGB? The more clock cycles per pixel, the slower frame rate it can handle and the more complicated the protocol becomes, but it also makes the cable simpler because it needs less pins.
< 1554582703 902318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think I only used it once in the end.
< 1554582733 634628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking at the tnyyrel now.
< 1554582791 109195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it was a different solution.
< 1554582831 42659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: grkg vf qrsrng was definitely involved
< 1554582885 513009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I only used it once too.
< 1554582988 865321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think so. I'm not sure what your solution is.
< 1554583088 48350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/baba-critical{,2}.png is the critical moment (spoiler alert, obviously)
< 1554583164 332071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those both look like screenshots of the beginning of the level.
< 1554583180 84022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. that's strange. let me try that again
< 1554583215 382960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, fixed.
< 1554583266 277199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that a use of the cevfba trick.
< 1554583276 693778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's the only one
< 1554583284 571648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh.
< 1554583307 126633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as usualy you may be counting things differently)
< 1554583311 481586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... usual
< 1554583313 4147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't do onon vf sybng?
< 1554583322 888688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it.
< 1554583325 923732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1554583360 657253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had convinced myself that was impossible.
< 1554583369 985069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. How do you get past the skull?
< 1554583441 777015 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :V chfu xrxr ba gbc bs gur fxhyy, juvpu perngrf obgu xrxr naq onon va gung cynpr; V pna zbir bar hcjneqf gb chfu gur synt qbja naq gur bgure bar fgenvtug gb gur evtug.
< 1554583670 483996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite different from using the float.
< 1554583953 597841 :economicsbat!~eb@128.199.111.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1554583969 317184 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. As I said, I couldn't make that work. Still can't, for that matter.
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< 1554584616 629862 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The thing is, destroying the 'is' on the right is the only way I see to get enough material for setting up any kind of overlay in the first place.
< 1554584619 920476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1554584639 922119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I meant to rot13 that)
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< 1554584879 647260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the trick there is gb chfu nyy gur grkg gb gur evtug, arkg gb gur jnyy.
< 1554584902 603774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should finish this game, I still have some levels left.
< 1554585256 845413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 220/11/3 now. (The /3 has a spoiler in the changelog)
< 1554585272 976827 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm missing something in zrgn, apparently.
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< 1554586267 712026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah. got it. tricky solution :)
< 1554586315 209913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :("it" being your kind of solution for erghea bs fpravp cbaq)
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< 1554587920 50112 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, just have seen a textbook on logic where the author names variables V|V, V||V, V|||V and so on (though no VV—why?..). I guess they wasn’t pleased with more or less standard v, v′, v′′, v′′′… but I think the result is unjustly rough on the reader
< 1554587922 953374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? master disco
< 1554587924 57546 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :master disco? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554587984 306232 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554587988 881670 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they wanted no variable name contained in any other name, though I don’t see how it will make sufficiently many things sufficiently easier
< 1554588054 305870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not enough though if you want full Incident rules
< 1554588096 726601 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could stand string languages for logic textbooks, but this is too much. One should teach that terms and formulas are trees, and that we aren’t interested in the set of allowed variable names any more than it is recursive enumerable
< 1554588161 216354 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's not enough though if you want full Incident rules => maybe the reasons are ever less sesible, I didn’t read that book far. This was pretty enough
< 1554588659 596316 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1554590411 336651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I followed a link on a webpage and got this: {"message":"Content not available.","code":"404","raw":"{\"message\":\"Content doesn't exist\",\"code\":404}"} What is the purpose of the raw copy included?
< 1554590651 843685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except the raw isn't quoting 404, and the message is different too, and those thing is seem strange to me)
< 1554590740 837380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\m -> "{\"message\":\"Content not available.\",\"code\":\"404\",\"raw\":" ++ show m ++ "}")
< 1554590742 828633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "{\"message\":\"Content not available.\",\"code\":\"404\",\"raw\":\"{\\\"mes...
< 1554590752 354925 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ fix (\m -> "{\"message\":\"Content not available.\",\"code\":\"404\",\"raw\":" ++ show m ++ "}")
< 1554590754 136206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"message":"Content not available.","code":"404","raw":"{\"message\":\"Conte...
< 1554590947 97499 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e sub w{q/{"message":"Content not available.","code":"404","raw":"/.$_[0]=~s/([\"\\])/\\$1/gr.q/"}/}; $s="";$s=w($s) for 0..8; print$s,"\n";
< 1554590947 779657 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{"message":"Content not available.","code":"404","raw":"{\"message\":\"Content not available.\",\"code\":\"404\",\"raw\":\"{\\\"message\\\":\\\"Content not available.\\\",\\\"code\\\":\\\"404\\\",\\\"raw\\\":\\\"{\\\\\\\"message\\\\\\\":\\\\\\\"Content not available.\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\"code\\\\\\\":\\\\\\\"404\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\"raw\\\\\\\":\\\\\\\"{\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"message\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\":\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Content not available.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
< 1554591011 340623 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-182.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e sub w{q/{"message":"Content not available.","code":"404","raw":"/.$_[0]=~s/"/\\"/gr=~s/\\/\\x5C/gr.q/"}/}; $s="";$s=w($s) for 0..8; print$s,"\n";
< 1554591012 104291 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :{"message":"Content not available.","code":"404","raw":"{\x5C"message\x5C":\x5C"Content not available.\x5C",\x5C"code\x5C":\x5C"404\x5C",\x5C"raw\x5C":\x5C"{\x5Cx5C\x5C"message\x5Cx5C\x5C":\x5Cx5C\x5C"Content not available.\x5Cx5C\x5C",\x5Cx5C\x5C"code\x5Cx5C\x5C":\x5Cx5C\x5C"404\x5Cx5C\x5C",\x5Cx5C\x5C"raw\x5Cx5C\x5C":\x5Cx5C\x5C"{\x5Cx5Cx5C\x5Cx5C\x5C"message\x5Cx5Cx5C\x5Cx5C\x5C":\x5Cx5Cx5C\x5Cx5C\x5C"Content not available.\x5Cx5Cx5C\x5Cx5C\x5C",\x5
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< 1554592411 326717 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is everyone excited for the GPS week field rollover in ~47 minutes?
< 1554592426 464162 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :midnite UTC
< 1554593091 54548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the worst that could happen, hmm
< 1554593253 621039 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh there's an article in the news warning that old car GPS systems may fail. That's something.
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< 1554594271 710312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1554595194 809764 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE MINUTE TILL MIDNIGHT
< 1554595206 417505 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody died. RIP
< 1554595236 451373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't feel more dead than previously
< 1554595277 999071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i cannot prove i've not long been a hallucinating ghost
< 1554595284 398506 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same af
< 1554595580 618238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder where I found this: "Hey, there! Are you hibernating or are you dead?" / "I'm not hibernating, I guess I must be dead. Funny,I don't remember being dead when I woke up this morning." / "Maybe it happened while you weren't looking." / "What if it happened a long time ago? What if I died, and all this time I've been living a lie?"
< 1554596923 806491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anywhere google can see it, apparently.
< 1554597302 517088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag | grep hibern
< 1554597306 287632 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10880:2017-05-10 slashlearn b_jonas can\'t spell//b_jonas can\'t spell these words: weird, hygiene, etymology, myopia, hibernate, carbohydrate, appearance, maintenance, appropriate, privilege, obsolete, heard, homogeneous, jealous; and confuses these sets of words: drought, draught/draft; couch, coach; depreciate, deprecate; dilate, dilute; contiguous, continuous; d \ 10878:2017-05-10 learn b_jonas can\'t spell/b_jonas can\'t s
< 1554597348 63937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 doag | grep -v 'jonas can' | grep hibern
< 1554597351 238132 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:5979:2015-09-13 le/rn sth/"sth" is short for "something that hibernates".
< 1554597363 597643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so not in HackEso either.
< 1554597383 578746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah the quote is too old for that. I'd suspect the old esolang list, except the archives say no.
< 1554597417 504587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what about old usenet?
< 1554597450 786970 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possible... but didn't google use to index that?
> 1554597674 979836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60914&oldid=54860 5* 03DMC 5* (+2) 10
< 1554597758 759163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :groups.google.com seems to have old usenet posts
< 1554597774 932663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searched for "har du kramat din varg"
< 1554597989 685931 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554598181 983971 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1554598233 478782 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554598380 844087 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1554598381 210537 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1554601011 273860 :MDude!~MDude@c-174-55-125-31.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554604694 174368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1554608685 655796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rot13
< 1554608686 738988 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554608692 948563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom rot
< 1554608693 717348 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :arothmorphise//arothmorphise ... antormo... antrohm... ant... oh bugger. This should go in the `misspellings of antrhrop... atnhro...' entry.
< 1554608723 149649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom 13
< 1554608723 910537 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337//1337 15 50 905
< 1554608726 648487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom 13
< 1554608727 413675 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337//1337 15 50 905
< 1554609400 681545 :orbitaldecay__!~orbitalde@c-68-33-90-248.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554609606 45820 :orbitaldecay_!~orbitalde@c-68-33-90-248.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1554612808 625245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1554626801 243556 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554627047 508916 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfgz2ng38e2jxt.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554628759 663674 :orbitaldecay_!~orbitalde@c-68-33-94-12.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554628962 652186 :orbitaldecay__!~orbitalde@c-68-33-90-248.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1554637583 791490 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554637598 680674 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1554637624 670267 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554637967 840090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554641438 499713 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554641603 451055 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1554641608 294424 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1554642401 283705 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554645867 114109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, what is the best starting pokemon?
< 1554645867 679179 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is the hon. and learned friend the member for sheffield, fnord more people are in work, and the world, our country might be resolved, the better the debate about prisons, that is ridiculous, and the very many, fewer people are in relative economic terms, we have been very much that finances the houthi. labour is clear that
< 1554645896 67331 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, apparently they're called "starter" instead of "starting
< 1554645900 347264 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, what is the best starter pokemon?
< 1554645900 673698 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a clear and early commitment to a backstop, and the home secretary, to go with the success, or seeking to transfer the eu ones. on trade, and the question of the hon. member, yet that is the only data that includes
< 1554645996 670109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pokemon
< 1554645997 753578 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. Taneb invented them.
< 1554646340 619298 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Janko Gorenc
< 1554646341 737825 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Janko Gorenc? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554646489 93096 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lhurgoyf
< 1554646490 310863 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lhurgoyf? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554646739 521357 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1554646739 602210 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube
< 1554646778 255657 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ukparl
< 1554646778 311546 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ukparl (UK Parliament debates from brexit referendum to late 2018)
< 1554646797 976241 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, so it's been updated with more recent debates(?)
< 1554646836 388162 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm, maybe the ukparl style isn't all that old, I could've sworn it was older but maybe I was thinking of europarl
< 1554646887 357962 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so how do you feel about the deadline next week?
< 1554646887 629439 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not a question time goes on, the more good young journalists, to non-governmental organisations,
< 1554646894 955263 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: high treason!
< 1554646895 245222 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: with the bill we have before us a bill to increase the number of fnord, herbal medicines directive to be modernised, more productive, and the secretary of the state, the state, leaving the secretary of state i have faced the house,
< 1554646906 30228 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :increase the number of fnord!
< 1554647487 870796 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend is practicing his skill to answer something other than the question. very good. my hon. and learned friend will need that, like any other politician that interacts with reporters.
< 1554647526 469373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words --pokemon 20 # maybe one of these
< 1554647528 954228 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :simisage hoos smear wig swinub rock lil forret bouff sudow magby dragong gas wartrio slow rat aland slowkin golduck pyuku
< 1554647634 980879 :loic!~trisquel@2a01:e34:edf8:c40:2049:ca99:3678:2985 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554647649 915156 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are a bit short. what was the switch for words to influence the length of the words?
< 1554647662 812594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` words --pokemon -l 20 10
< 1554647663 642093 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs --opcode --pokemon \ default: --eng-1M
< 1554647702 161531 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` words --pokemon -0 14 10
< 1554647704 228685 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: 0
< 1554647707 332640 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` words --pokemon -o 14 10
< 1554647708 234639 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yamaurangroudowoobaltal zebstricketotodilyphlos crawlery spheatmonleef fariados tauroruntacoonguss doduosionnelby shupperior ribomalamperioluremolga beakie
< 1554647712 980965 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` words --pokemon -o 10 10
< 1554647713 998876 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gothornadusken megantleon nihileplup shuckletterbug explous scashiftry tankelduckletchirl inklantinionee houndoof beautiflygonix
< 1554647724 397585 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now those look better
< 1554647737 422278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megantleon, Explou, Houndoof
< 1554647741 593182 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wee need something in between
< 1554647746 902544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` words --pokemon -o 6 10
< 1554647747 910489 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :trossom wishados alonferno ivysaurotodile rior trumakuhitarapin silvanha kraixen giratty rapionnelby
< 1554647768 711232 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :giratty!
< 1554648097 682142 :loic!~trisquel@2a01:e34:edf8:c40:2049:ca99:3678:2985 PART :#esoteric
< 1554649978 302752 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. Taneb invented them. <--- I've been getting back into Pokemon recently, as it happens
< 1554650002 914066 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: video game or card game?
< 1554650027 315606 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: video game, I've been playing Silver which is on the 3DS Virtual Console store
< 1554650039 683312 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never played much of the card game
< 1554650192 207806 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1554650203 584940 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-pokemon
< 1554650204 194494 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: random-pokemon: not found
< 1554650234 805187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pokedex
< 1554650235 497912 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pokedex: not found
< 1554650309 933752 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pokemon
< 1554650310 670644 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pokemon: not found
< 1554650329 813561 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo bin/*pok*
< 1554650330 614031 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/*pok*
< 1554650477 83295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, the default length distribution should be the right one, it was trained from the real list.
< 1554650499 672634 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivysaurotodile was the Pokemon I started with!
< 1554650502 562628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --pokemon --esolangs 10
< 1554650503 295051 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie 2d-rever dewott brawlet sceptilectpar entropolis muncie dian l00p comeheadact
< 1554650839 770379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure
< 1554651153 137990 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isriirpljimmaxhh JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554652742 390740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --pokemon --finnish 10
< 1554652743 248149 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidennekiristeesteel kyläluksentäisi sigitoksesi petune naan logise celsken vertar tepitä slow
< 1554652967 503873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so is "petune" supposed to be finnish or a pokemon?
< 1554653264 735667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be a Finnish Pokémon.
< 1554653274 666704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that worked so well though.
< 1554653297 168746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you use more than one dataset, it interpolates between the models with equal weights.
< 1554657508 636558 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be
< 1554661658 933770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554662217 2462 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --polish
< 1554662217 895630 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rozpadniczne
< 1554662224 177070 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --polish 10
< 1554662225 339505 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :niew nani nielodostu nieciśleliście nającymi wuliński postopopiął radzanku prorozhardalizowa uwieliby
< 1554662253 169988 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1554662301 297038 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --bulgarian 10
< 1554662302 243087 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :благащваща застребеше пикрелиен полеба противявай латапя петлоушна свиднахането пилия опняванавиха
< 1554662339 280442 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough Ъs, I’d say
< 1554663171 8240 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --dutch 14
< 1554663171 732077 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: dutch
< 1554663577 773701 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --norwegian 41
< 1554663578 665562 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tær ekkens trapphol tvinnres snaktkjæres undendehovervirkes halvine eiereie seggssvogn forbunderes lønnemaksjona vannhyllett slåske gauksliserike nevangsmingene kastidsmobjell skjøpskrysstavfisk diagningselse busikottekt kryssistrømming heroperienteretning forbitorskogbrokkbegrav urkorsvars vann camporvalutning
< 1554663631 434800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vann" is real, isn't it?
< 1554664305 865085 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so, should be 'water'
< 1554664322 312101 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'forbunderes' also looks like plausibly real norwegian
< 1554664349 312670 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --swedish 41
< 1554664350 43136 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :utständare anbersäkrat förste boxarna styckstade lovs presplandlande konciliserar närvsystades skildarwis årtens nyansöv ämbedåra fåta strateriser artogran fortroder språker guldkrämera definatsen stavinnlyst signakt sammanna direrna kapitetening
< 1554664421 892312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :förste is real
< 1554664477 183686 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 'boxarna'
< 1554664490 39332 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple others are very close to real I think
< 1554664540 611638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --hungarian 39
< 1554664541 437964 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: hungarian
< 1554664551 862858 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --welsh 39
< 1554664552 713694 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: welsh
< 1554664569 67042 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --help
< 1554664570 119862 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger datasets more influential \ -o, --target-offset change the target length offset used in the \
< 1554664570 660207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 20
< 1554664571 900332 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liittämäävällä pohtaan muhisessaan osajakseen suunneistanne luomimmilta kastasi kuoputomistä intumiksimpänä kanne paen ulkaviltä kivat lujoutamallennus mahtaan päätäisesi ihmillemme hylkeviimmalla popolustetämille puhallampasi
< 1554664575 93347 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words -l
< 1554664575 786547 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs --opcode --pokemon \ default: --eng-1M
< 1554664605 450335 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( --welsh would just be an alias for --mlp | rot13 anyway )
< 1554664617 770351 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanne is real
< 1554664623 100005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is "kivat".
< 1554664634 719685 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of those look like plausible finnish to me :P
< 1554664644 823688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier for him to make real short words than long ones of course
< 1554664657 526624 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --gaelic 39
< 1554664658 310813 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :còrr foid smeudag aorach fear mhaobh thàirde bhoc taisteach firean cùmhlair bùraidh foran fiùr choin phoilt mhadh geach clan fianair freag tàn sùbhlaid adh gaid
< 1554664662 758913 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --manx 40
< 1554664663 559974 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fograney greeit troo scuttaghtyr neuheayll meadagh broaie whee keragh slagh scalmynyn farrym nish hee oblagh vrat-chloin ferrey cragh henney aah kiadsyn ben-cag cornane toyrtooayl smuggys
< 1554664668 307965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "mahtaan" could be colloquial first person present of v. mahtailla.
< 1554664679 837913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though really it's "mahtailen".)
< 1554664754 335611 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fear" is real
< 1554664835 641384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could probably use "kastasi" when talking about some CCG or something where you cast spells, as a Finglish term.
< 1554664836 151077 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is "gain"
< 1554664844 993102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1554664849 232855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "gaid"
< 1554664895 673529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big problem with the Finnish model is that 3 letters of context is just not enough to maintain vowel harmony.
< 1554664900 684944 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all
< 1554664904 371845 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeling very esoteric today
< 1554664966 477617 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihi kmc
< 1554664998 422805 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1554665001 469950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc
< 1554665009 708040 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs everyone who would like a hug
< 1554665016 717617 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling very huggable too
< 1554665033 905116 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life's really good today and I want to share some of the love with all of you
< 1554665087 441649 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you get a job?
< 1554665090 327727 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1554665101 132820 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I took LSD
< 1554665110 546229 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I thought that was what this was all about
< 1554665115 812418 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1554665120 955235 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao
< 1554665125 23929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/words//39s|@opt|sort &|
< 1554665126 718462 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/words//#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \ eval { \ require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \ }; \ #warn "Optional module Math::Random::MT::Perl not found.\n" if $@; \ } \ \ #constants \ my @options = q
< 1554665153 375251 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all this?
< 1554665159 441924 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all the HackEso-magic
< 1554665161 742806 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems v. esoteric
< 1554665166 558814 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're using words to generate random words
< 1554665177 140999 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I mention the first time I ever took psychedelics, I sat on a computer and it opened ghci for me
< 1554665191 94355 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this was definitely a sign
< 1554665208 754601 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inexorably linking two things that would come to be very meaningful for me
< 1554665221 185649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: `sled foo//bar is just "sed -i -e bar foo", it's just a convenience thing to avoid the issue where you do "sed -ie" and it makes a backup copy of the file "foo" named "fooe".
< 1554665234 242941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ...plus it prints the new contents, which is handy for files that fit in one line of IRC.
< 1554665234 533884 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what two things? ghc and computers?
< 1554665263 545964 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what does sed -e do
< 1554665271 186265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort? hmm
< 1554665278 677643 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --german 39
< 1554665279 913639 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bürgestimmaßgewinzell kurten gängesche abgressunftie zug feltlos soptiviuz zustersirme smen verte behe selbachtensklavi bung sche ernsens wattunk polycellegspol vors uebergrungshoffen sonndeae wortausge gefähris ung herungsoproten seilbio
< 1554665301 114546 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't look particularly real.
< 1554665321 160212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe "kurten" does
< 1554665330 339082 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and "zug" too
< 1554665333 448107 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's at least two
< 1554665342 612633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sorted the output of -l; it could make some sense to keep them grouped manually somehow, but currently even the "real" languages were all jumbled up.
< 1554665345 677132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words -l
< 1554665346 290003 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :valid datasets: --brazilian --bulgarian --canadian-english-insane --catalan --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --esolangs --finnish --french --gaelic --german --german-medical --hebrew --irish --italian --manx --norwegian --ogerman --opcode --pokemon --polish --portuguese --russian --spanish --swedish \ default: --eng-1M
< 1554665375 850958 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "uebergrungshoffen"? at least write it as "übergrungschoffen" if you want to make it look real
< 1554665411 757087 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :canadian-english-insane ?
< 1554665432 73303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The naming comes from the... aspell? ispell? one of those... dictionary names.
< 1554665445 506147 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfgz2ng38e2jxt.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1554665450 873145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what (I think) Phantom_*Hoover used to set it up.
< 1554665507 273022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for some languages there are -small, -large, -huge and -insane variants of the dictionaries.
< 1554665511 952336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1554665599 230053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I heard ẞ got accepted as a legal option for the uppercase ß, alongside SS.
< 1554665728 448304 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I read about that in german, it depends on the nature of the text you're uppercasing... which is great, it now means we have collation rules that depend on semantics
< 1554665746 445972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia wasn't that nuanced: "In 2016, the Council for German Orthography proposed the introduction of optional use of ẞ in its ruleset (i.e. variants STRASSE vs. STRAẞE would be accepted as equally valid).[9] The rule was officially adopted in 2017.[10]"
< 1554665787 271250 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1554665798 540973 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might misremember
< 1554665942 97646 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's not like they can mess up anything worse than turkish i does
< 1554666104 928799 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1554666137 420308 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like other languages haven't tried to make orthography complicated, but not many things in the west get close to that
< 1554666230 15001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the i with tone marks keep the dot in vietnamese? is bulgarian and russian using the same script? do punctuation characters appear differently in chinese vs japanese vertical text without having separate unicode code points despite that kanji that appears differently usually have separate code points now?
< 1554666239 342783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all small cake compared to the trouble that turkish i causes
< 1554666264 639600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, turkish i causes terrible trouble regardless of how we try to handle it
< 1554666278 438508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we could go back and redesign computers and unicode from the start, it would still cause a problem
< 1554666336 720631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is a mess
< 1554666358 542129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is OK, although still there is some things I would have designed differently in ASCII
< 1554666371 360905 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you had a time machine, it would be easier to assassinate Kemal Atatürk and hope for a saner orthography reform than to try to fix using it afterwards
< 1554666560 516489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For use of Chinese writing, maybe Cangjie encoding is OK
< 1554666715 34137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo wisdom/mo*
< 1554666715 702740 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/mockingbird wisdom/modal logic wisdom/module wisdom/mojibake wisdom/mole wisdom/molum wisdom/monad wisdom/monads wisdom/monoid wisdom/monoidal category wisdom/monoids wisdom/monomorphism wisdom/monqy wisdom/month wisdom/montreal wisdom/moo wisdom/moon wisdom/mornington crescent wisdom/morphism wisdom/morphology wisdom/morse wisdom/mosquito wisdom/moth wisdom/mothball wisdom/mother wisdom/mothology wisdom/mousse
< 1554666855 72827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554666973 43 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too bad that there's no way to hug people over the internet
< 1554666985 828325 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would've been neat
< 1554666987 842799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's brilliant
< 1554667020 830412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not mean the Cangjie input method, but rather the related Cangjie encoding, which can be produced directly by Cangjie input method though)
< 1554667062 574354 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1554667177 795872 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1554667204 84816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but it's not that people haven't tried, using things like http://paste.debian.net/1076594/
< 1554667339 230448 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ hey kmc thye did game of life in baba is you
< 1554667345 391663 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/fengchuiyulin/status/1110423064020480000
< 1554667417 937430 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: whoa
< 1554667441 671041 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you scroll down he runs a glider gun in it, very nice!
< 1554667445 97131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1554667644 597536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to make an esolangs.org article about Baba is You then
< 1554667682 770340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it called "Baba is You" or "Baba Is You" or "Baba is you"?
< 1554667689 126964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll be happy if I find out what I'm missing for the last achievement.
< 1554667726 58916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam calls it "Baba Is You"
< 1554667731 599559 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1554667737 799684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, if you can actually describe how the rules of how it is work, then I might want to see, too
< 1554667747 98002 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'll just make a stub
< 1554667751 845051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it works
< 1554667815 876253 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2nAmO0WoAEIJgT.png
< 1554667820 317918 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it isexplained here
< 1554667963 369614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is listing the rules but isn't explaining how the rules is working.
< 1554668139 892831 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
> 1554668153 777416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Baba Is You14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60915 5* 03B jonas 5* (+603) 10Created page with "'''Baba Is You''' is an puzzle video game that appeals specifically to esoteric programmers. It was released in 2019, but an early demo version with much fewer features was k..."
< 1554668207 76936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that the correct way to use "appeals"? should it be "appeals for esoteric programmers" instead?
< 1554668207 432812 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sentences made up of blocks which contain words that are classified into some groups. we could call them noun verb etc.
< 1554668294 535057 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each sentence is interpreted into game rules and the rules will be applied on each tick of the game
< 1554668326 147050 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have game entries?
< 1554668328 629853 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpretation process is based on the sentence structure and nouns refers to game objects and each verb has a specific subroutine in the game code
< 1554668362 16214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I would hope in esolang wiki you can write how all of the words are doing, and that stuff
< 1554668365 860937 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list of interpretations and game code would be large and a lot of complexity
< 1554668385 307878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you mention is good but doesn't mention each word doing
< 1554668406 665271 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :example is PUSH, it means that any object that is YOU who moves onto the same square as a pushable object will result in the object attempting to move forward one
< 1554668414 178473 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its learned by playing the game
< 1554668437 769938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, the words that are used in that Game of Life should be listed perhaps)
< 1554668469 415823 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:noun is y:noun results in all x objects being turned into y objects in one tick
< 1554668475 998957 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry y into x*
< 1554668491 35987 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can follow https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1110422077813809152/pu/img/n1y8rQcU4_GKpOnk.jpg... nice use of shut/open/has.
< 1554668588 468444 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I expected something completely different using way more different objects...)
< 1554668629 660799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "eat" feature in the game? I don't recall it atm...
> 1554668771 368984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Baba Is You14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60916 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+261) 10Created page with "Hopefully later more description can be added, such as how some of the words doing (at least the ones used in that Game of Life implementation, and then later possibly the oth..."
< 1554668809 294936 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess the use of the ghost is just for cosmetic reasons.
< 1554668817 214276 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could take some work to reverse engineer the game
< 1554668822 482851 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "different objects"? does that even matter? aren't they more or less interchangable?
< 1554668822 871969 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just by playing it lots
< 1554668830 540781 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do a reimplementation
< 1554668866 141444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that like using different identifiers in a C program?
< 1554668901 978020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I thought it would be hard to measure a stack of equal objects, but they found a way.
< 1554668971 978883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so rather than doing that I was imagining to use one object for each of the 9 squares in the neighbourhood and then combine them in some unary counting fashion. It'd be far less elegant.
< 1554669007 514989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And much bigger as well, I guess.)
< 1554669076 955934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me. shameless plug: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/3434/shortest-game-of-life/112163#112163 obfuscated implementation of Game of Life
< 1554669139 995327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does codegolf se have any answers in Baba Is You yet?
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< 1554669300 290048 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have they agreed on how to measure code size in it yet?
< 1554669569 351067 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say similarly to befunge
< 1554669609 118315 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge is defined to read code from a plain text file.
< 1554669853 597521 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfgz2ng38e2jxt.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554670128 868526 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :babanis you havibg pictures is just a cosmetic choice
< 1554670156 445186 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just as well work with ascii characters if you define meaning to them properly
< 1554670229 128114 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both have cells with a defined valuenthat acts in a certain way
< 1554670241 224091 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :befungenis not a billying automaton, though
< 1554670260 213849 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some, but i don't know if they are used for golfing
< 1554670261 881349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the big difference is that Baba is You can have more than one object on a cell
< 1554670277 916047 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also it doesn't have the language define a canonical source code representation
< 1554670284 347131 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair poikt, i didn't think of floating
< 1554670287 754268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so count objects
< 1554670323 989164 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :object count is a good reference, but it lacks an expression of compactness imho
< 1554670330 941354 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and then you get into the same trouble as with live cell count in Life, where you can implement anything with a fixed (although pretty large) code size
< 1554670332 765445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps add a log(w+h)
< 1554670394 5874 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that particular GoL implementation relies on a background (the tiles are essential), but there's no reason why that is necessary.
< 1554670425 25486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no it doesn't I thin
< 1554670436 929940 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it relies on a background of nothing live
< 1554670442 553972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just a constant number of cells live
< 1554670462 729222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/fengchuiyulin/status/1110423064020480000 needs the tiles in the background to work.
< 1554670466 357934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that relies on a periodic background pattern is the magic to make messages travel faster than c/2
< 1554670471 433449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm saying.
< 1554670477 398108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the baba one
< 1554670481 322215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not talking about GoL.
< 1554670489 48825 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you fix that somehow?
< 1554670494 972797 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that particular GoL implementation"
< 1554670534 488310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might not be known yet, because Baba Is You programming is still young
< 1554670537 381641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it can be fixed... I mean, you can populate the level with tiles using the 'more' mechanic, for example
< 1554670563 955122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a "Nothing" mechanic to populate the whole level with something?
< 1554670569 238678 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1554670571 548784 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "Empty"
< 1554670578 484181 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Baba Is You prefers short words as keywords
< 1554670579 820672 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my mind there's really no doubt that you can do that without the prepopulated background.
< 1554670589 444456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1554670596 883579 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "DEFEAT" for "LOSE" ;-)
< 1554670624 732938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not all the words are short)
< 1554670699 626423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing longer than 6 letters though... except that isn't exactly true either. Baba is fairly good at pushing the boundaries.
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< 1554671117 194277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME IS SHORT
< 1554671173 510338 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ME"? they're using "YOU". it's in the name of the gamne
< 1554671186 304582 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't try to shorten below four letters I think, because four fit nicely in a square
< 1554671218 224052 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's ME as well.
< 1554671235 681212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1554671246 745320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a noun
< 1554671254 505033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason ;)
< 1554671968 60614 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right! because YOU is a verb
< 1554671982 375359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an adjective.
< 1554671995 608890 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... oh
< 1554672003 46877 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@c-68-33-90-236.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554672003 170509 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the verbs are the stuff like "IS"?
< 1554672011 29219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "CAN HAS"...
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< 1554672544 988821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ME: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/baba-me.png
< 1554672705 385816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1554672788 44058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "TEXT" is more disturbing than the "ME" though
< 1554672799 348296 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, "EMPTY" still is scarier than those
< 1554672814 788372 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORD.
< 1554672902 238507 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1554674579 218248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1554675094 711287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ski boxing
< 1554675095 738376 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski boxing? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675100 425718 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ski boxing a tanebvention?
< 1554675198 778003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quantum mechanics
< 1554675199 784567 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum mechanics? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675604 624501 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *hug hug* …though it has so little effect, yeah
< 1554675860 381845 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: spoilery spoilers :(((
< 1554675885 150342 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? QFT
< 1554675886 135910 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :QFT? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675895 806248 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quantum *
< 1554675896 874659 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum *? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675900 261536 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quantum field
< 1554675901 389491 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum field? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675906 682270 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quantum field theory
< 1554675907 969630 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum field theory? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675915 150422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quantum chromodynamics
< 1554675916 165637 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum chromodynamics? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675917 846146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1554675922 132508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math
< 1554675923 223202 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, linear logic, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
< 1554675930 313185 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: physics
< 1554675931 457157 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebventions: physics? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675937 951545 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1554675938 980613 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1554675951 485407 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, you see? the universe
< 1554675953 207213 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the unvierse
< 1554675954 275187 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unvierse? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554675955 493141 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the universe
< 1554675956 521880 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. Escardó proved that it was indiscreet.
< 1554675957 33389 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? universe
< 1554675958 170660 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A universe is a poem in one stanza.
< 1554676137 22400 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Escardó… is that Martin Escardó, and why do I know that name?
< 1554676158 299011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1554676160 108754 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t remember why is he famous
< 1554676206 699926 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? propagator
< 1554676209 812981 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :propagator? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676214 540334 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Feynmann
< 1554676215 558760 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynmann? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676248 299679 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? my little pony
< 1554676249 393665 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my little pony? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676254 150979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank gods
< 1554676379 545086 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay it’s HoTT, cubical types and something
< 1554676389 420508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Little Pony was invented by Laurent Faust, not by Taneb
< 1554676435 793105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gcc
< 1554676436 839472 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676437 694816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ghc
< 1554676438 760765 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676447 752729 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quick
< 1554676449 863674 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676462 159353 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw anyone could tell something about cubical types what could be more or less understood by someone knowing a handful about dependent types?
< 1554676490 296980 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tume cube
< 1554676491 357056 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tume cube? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676493 888395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? time cube
< 1554676494 899352 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :EARTH HAS 4 CORNER SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY TIME CUBE IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION. 4 CORNER DAYS, CUBES 4 QUAD EARTH. Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies. Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s. God Is Born Of A Mother - She Left Belly B. Signature. Your dirty lying teachers use only the midnight to midnight 1 day (ignoring 3 other days) Time to not foul (already wrong) bible time. Lie that corrupts earth you educated stupid fools.
< 1554676499 72348 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ those cubical types?
< 1554676511 931226 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a time ago I looked at the article introducing them, though once only, and hadn’t understood
< 1554676514 562226 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nononono
< 1554676520 946147 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t please
< 1554676536 130197 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not time cube I swear I’ll behave
< 1554676551 693360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1554676561 140009 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting
< 1554676625 436437 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that entry
< 1554676645 342283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the other kind of esoteric...
< 1554676645 785551 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t please => there should be exclamation marks between each pair of words
< 1554676678 272392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: well you didn't please
< 1554676687 715804 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that time cue is oh I shouldn’t. It was expired for a good reason. Though you could google it at your own risk
< 1554676712 906258 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wounded just by reading _about_ it
< 1554676724 97878 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in en.wikipedia I think
< 1554676757 756117 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w
< 1554676758 477871 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooperate//"Cooperate" is a common misspelling of "cōöperāte".
< 1554676768 154426 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? moose
< 1554676769 186558 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moose? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676769 841766 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? meese
< 1554676770 922628 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meese? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554676771 985015 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( corporate )
< 1554676811 905380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gene ray
< 1554676813 403526 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Gene Ray is the Greatest Philosopher, and is the Greatest Mathematician. Cubic Harmonics. Only Cubic Harmonics can save humanity. Cubic Harmonics will pacify all religions. 96-hour Cubic Day debunks 1-day unnatural god. 96-hour day willdisprove disunity god. Academians are teaching - pseudocience. Worshipping a Word God will destroy the USA.
< 1554676820 214020 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( chocolate moose )
< 1554676838 708653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, the moose mousse, as in that MLP episode titled MMMM
< 1554676848 219723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I guess it's not really more painful than some of the terrible puns we have here.
< 1554676880 344679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 shachaf
< 1554676881 111832 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns
< 1554676899 416633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now *that* was a spoiler.)
< 1554676912 489381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a pretty time-cube-ish thing I don't quite remember the name of back in Finland, preached by a guy who goes around with his self-published books in a cart, seen him around the university campus a few times.
< 1554676940 320029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what's MLP?
< 1554676955 936582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ether vortices, that was it.
< 1554676961 914772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauko_Armas_Nieminen
< 1554676979 351144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: My Little Pony
< 1554677018 899037 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and the episode is actually not quite titled that, it's https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/MMMystery_on_the_Friendship_Express
< 1554677049 833363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mousse moose looks like https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/File:Chocolate_mousse_moose_at_door_S2E24.png
< 1554677052 830390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why did I ask.
< 1554677071 859565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the cake that's titled MMMM
< 1554677075 431604 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmmm I still think you quite underestimate the scale of that TC thing
< 1554677140 928804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: The Baba one? Not sure what you mean by scale.
< 1554677154 690963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh
< 1554677170 26443 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: TC is hard-wired in my mind.
< 1554677176 38797 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (now *that* was a spoiler.) => oh. Is that intentional all the way down?
< 1554677179 74421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turing Complete"
< 1554677188 368854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tc
< 1554677189 270875 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg
< 1554677189 438551 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tc is the abbreviation for Technetium, an element so sophisticated that it does not exist naturally.
< 1554677190 342424 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not.
< 1554677242 264341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cr
< 1554677243 321497 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cr? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554677258 5744 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lf
< 1554677259 152273 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lf? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554677260 241515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ok
< 1554677261 168985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CR is Church-Rosser. Not Carriage Return.)
< 1554677261 252657 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554677262 169755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? na
< 1554677263 298014 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :na? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554677265 350606 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: TC is hard-wired in my mind. => I like ambiguous abbreviations too :P
< 1554677266 501359 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? n/a
< 1554677267 502176 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/a? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554677274 485080 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was intentional
< 1554677285 523849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you are an evil person.
< 1554677290 214618 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: welcome to the club.,
< 1554677322 15512 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he traveled back in time to rearrange the Phoenician alphabet so that that rot13 thing works out
< 1554677333 769478 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sknaht
< 1554677356 727103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: shachaf was unhappy when I pointed out that "Schaf" is "sheep" in German :)
< 1554677391 968533 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1554677392 395174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still the closest "real" word I know of.
< 1554677432 357406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e
< 1554677433 427524 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans. Er hat ein Hipster-Spiel gekauft.
< 1554677437 302194 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me how I was posting something on ggroups and it did take 4 on my email
< 1554677451 173831 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very sad
< 1554677477 109654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody pointed out the Swedish word "inte" when I picked that nickname.
< 1554677492 362721 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was more of a handle, at the time.
< 1554677509 938999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, as for nicks resembling real words, I hearby requesting that if you make a porthello from my nick, you try to use "jó napot" rather than "bonjour"
< 1554677517 775430 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hkhzmeesrgfkwuet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554677634 426769 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? porthello
< 1554677635 553942 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellonfused one. Porthellos are the standard greeting format in #esoteric. Best enjoyed with some thé or caffè and a fternooner.
< 1554677643 187275 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it’s official
< 1554677671 645205 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the name
< 1554677682 773066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being recorded in wisdom is a very low bar of officialdom.
< 1554677684 256009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Rosser, Returning in a Carriage from Church = Church-Rosser Carriage Return )
< 1554677709 946273 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rofl)
< 1554677711 208738 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. good arsenightiv
< 1554677727 97654 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg to bed
< 1554677727 926595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1554677894 810719 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…wait I haven’t had time to say b_ciaonas
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< 1554678035 527748 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs arseniiv
< 1554678117 37149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd hms pinafore//s|^/||
< 1554678118 727384 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hms pinafore//HMS Pinafore is just some infernal nonsense, according to general majority opinion.
< 1554678148 971034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it had an unintentional leading slash, from the fact that `le/rn uses / instead of the more common // as a delimiter.
< 1554679085 754407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not anymore, right?
< 1554679265 99542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? le/rn
< 1554679266 215584 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :le/rn makes creating wisdom entries manually a thing of the past. Usage: `le/[/]rn //
< 1554679288 634310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1554679289 761778 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
< 1554679325 688680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nohuglist
< 1554679326 578741 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nohuglist: not found
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< 1554679739 89114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, guess it's been fixed.
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< 1554685547 370199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'forbunderes' also looks like plausibly real norwegian <-- it's not, but "tær" is
< 1554685622 577138 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tær xzf
< 1554685934 914694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like NNTP?
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< 1554687363 97796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forbundenes" is real, and "forbinderes" is at least hypothetically so
< 1554687500 80115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah, both are, although the former has about 10 times as many google hits.
< 1554687508 895933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although some may be danish.)
< 1554687612 645116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually danish spelling should be "forbundernes"
< 1554687633 248839 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1554689294 103796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: `sled foo//bar is just "sed -i -e bar foo", it's just a convenience thing to avoid the issue where you do "sed -ie" and it makes a backup copy of the file "foo" named "fooe". <-- surely the main convenience is not having to escape things for the shell.
< 1554689406 838075 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554689488 756045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there should be a general don't-escape-thing-for-the-shell command
< 1554689536 198210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`foo sed -i file //s'x'y'
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< 1554690884 239616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, does codegolf se have any answers in Baba Is You yet? <-- doesn't look like it
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< 1554692981 408165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp ^/
< 1554692983 10047 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ops:/msg ChanServ access list #esoteric
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< 1554696095 65079 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hichaf
< 1554697140 81786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1554704739 497786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writing NNTP server software, maybe I will add a POSTPIPE command which is like POST but if there is an error before the message is completed (even if before the message is started), for the convenience for users who do not use specialized NNTP software.
< 1554705024 431941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I started up the game and there was a new level (Research Facility), but it was pretty easy.
< 1554705067 634851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it is good?
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< 1554705356 34069 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1554705468 506174 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what "programming languages" do you know that exhibit minimal human intervention... I mean like something that could probably get in-sync with some alien race.
< 1554705525 630432 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus was like this, except the Church numerals are just PITA. Also, SK combinator calculus was like this. Iota language was like this.
< 1554705574 374213 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainf**k is NOT like this and programming languages in common use (at least AFAIK) are NOT like this.
< 1554705583 404679 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get it?
< 1554705682 205974 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you asking for the Platonic ideal of a programming language?
< 1554705693 576975 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, if we sent some code to aliens, what language would we use so they could understand it?
< 1554705866 332847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is no guarantee that they could understand it, but, I suppose you can try to make it more likely by your choice, maybe, but you can still fail at it
< 1554705936 400424 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no English words, that's first. Or at most very minimal set of words.
< 1554705969 807218 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC could do it. I think their NSA equivalent could figure it out.
< 1554706010 83480 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I don't remember I ever done such abuse of acronyms in the past.
< 1554706069 648153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do you know what they have?
< 1554706074 325270 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only want to provide code that they can *run*
< 1554706093 957896 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's easy to illustrate an automaton
< 1554706098 455232 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with e.g. a state transition diagram
< 1554706142 506627 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can pretty easily explain S and K with diagrams alone
< 1554706190 522424 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :provide that plus some examples and they'll figure it out
< 1554706198 764963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, can you know if they can understand the diagram? I think that is potentially difficult, too.
< 1554706212 684770 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it could be
< 1554706221 232903 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're only trying to express "this shape turns into this other shape"
< 1554706244 367082 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to indicate the direction of time somehow
< 1554706256 194934 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the idea that this is a sequentially executing lanugage and not, say, a constraint-solving system
< 1554706294 592665 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it's a pure functional languages then that doesn't really matter
< 1554706317 481923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is some stuff too, to consider
< 1554707029 321849 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get rid of that pain, in theory we could calculate on lambda and SK using binary numbers in some way. We have vireo bird, we can keep pairs of booleans, we can keep pairs of pairs of booleans...
< 1554707047 14730 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the most basic positional numeral system points out to be binary
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> 1554720210 846558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60917 5* 03A 5* (+581) 10First edit
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> 1554721013 299115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60919&oldid=60918 5* 03A 5* (+1127) 10/* Simple documentation */
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> 1554725810 643277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60923&oldid=60922 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */
> 1554726028 574504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60924&oldid=60923 5* 03A 5* (+123) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */
> 1554726151 719451 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60925&oldid=60924 5* 03A 5* (+59) 10/* Deadfish interpreter */
> 1554726213 205384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60926&oldid=60925 5* 03A 5* (+56) 10/* Factorial */
< 1554726355 961909 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another esolang? Oh gosh, I could change my "yet-another-turing-tar-pit" to use just 6-bits per opcode and use only characters from base64 repetitoire.
< 1554726481 216115 :TheWild!~Thunderbi@hgv18.internetdsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric := 16 bits of RAM, 8 of which are I/O mapped to an address/data register of some bigger RAM.
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< 1554729936 875739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, after digging a bit in the data files, I rather suspect that I'm lacking the final Baba Is You achievement due to a bug :/
< 1554730041 784663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course there may be something incredibly silly to do that I didn't...
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< 1554749344 925105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone tried to work to implementing some of this yet? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/web_browser
< 1554751546 591490 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I'm working on reinventing the web.
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< 1554752807 912282 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i make a gopher client
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> 1554757636 576923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60927&oldid=60738 5* 03Void 5* (+64) 10
< 1554758060 583599 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? iv
< 1554758061 730620 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iv? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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> 1554760176 319023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Emg 5* 10New user account
> 1554760534 521658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60928&oldid=60872 5* 03Emg 5* (+212) 10Add introduction
> 1554760545 782452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60929&oldid=60086 5* 03Emg 5* (+111) 10Add my (emg) bytepusher vm to the list
< 1554761349 346861 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 test
< 1554761350 209915 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grfg
< 1554761529 779102 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hi, maybe you remember, in the level vfynaq cevfba should I make jnyy vf chfu or something other?
< 1554761600 218848 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far it’s the one I have absolutely no clue even after several glances
< 1554761607 545913 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iv as in roman 4, or iv as in the independent vars of pokemons, or iv as in intraveneous input
< 1554761629 203345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't remember where the levels are by name.
< 1554761659 633361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: For some reason I always thought the Pokémon concept was the same as the IV of cryptography, initialization vector.
< 1554761670 592188 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: #11 in vfynaq
< 1554761675 859572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possible
< 1554761768 461038 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something like {initialization,individual,independent,integer} {vector,values}, and it might not even have an official expansion, because it's probably just named "IV" by whichever players reverse engineered that part
< 1554761782 323870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1554761794 199765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :{initialization,individual,independent,integer} {vector,values,variables}
< 1554761819 986132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe +intrinsic.
< 1554761834 863495 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's possible too
< 1554762043 886286 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting vocabulary
< 1554762069 617789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: no, the trick really isn't in making a new sentence there...
< 1554762090 646073 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm I have no sense what’s that about so almost possibly my variant isn’t even funny)
< 1554762181 907590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you know, in the video games, pokemons have these attribute thingies like strength, dexterity, constitution, intelligence, wisdom, charisma, except not quite those because that's the traditional D&D player attributes set, and some of them tell how much damage the pokemon does while the others are mostly irrelevant
< 1554762220 136155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some of the older games, the set of those attributes for a pokemon have less than full entropy, they are characterized by a much smaller random vector than how much the values can apparently take
< 1554762232 107756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that smaller vector is called VI
< 1554762233 626716 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1554762235 827518 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called IV
< 1554762238 567776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IVs or something
< 1554762272 475221 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like crypto... initialization vector?
< 1554762301 525673 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thank you. Then maybe fubhyq v pbzr bhg gb jva be jva or fbzrubj chyyrq gb gur ebbz?
< 1554762354 452915 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah
< 1554762360 844841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That's what I said to start this going.
< 1554762393 13360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to push it along at any rate, it was already moving.
< 1554762396 851445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I'm not paying attention as usual.
< 1554762419 744785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, that's what fizzie says too
< 1554762440 22628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: lbh'er ybbxvat sbe n ivbyngvba bs culfvpf
< 1554762447 77176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think we might be a biased sample.
< 1554762461 910201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't find much support for "initialization vector" on the webs in the Pokémon context.
< 1554762483 405713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"individual values" was pretty popular.
< 1554762505 962218 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we could just ask ais
< 1554762516 429199 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could even be "individual variation"
< 1554762534 664697 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought so but have still to find out what it should be precisely. Thanks!
< 1554762556 70036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :intrinsic virtues, intensive vibrations
< 1554762601 448413 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideomotor veracity
< 1554762659 63634 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and internal too
< 1554762662 610031 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal values
< 1554762679 98376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're not shown in the interface
< 1554762715 472194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for (( i=0;i<16;i++ )); do echo $(grep '^i' share/dict-words | grep -v "'" | shuf -n 1) $(grep '^v' share/dict-words | grep -v "'" | shuf -n 1); done
< 1554762718 246484 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphic vented \ insomniac vulcanizing \ insignia vessel \ incriminatory valance \ idealizing vireo \ icily void \ inflicts vault \ irrigates veneering \ incinerated verges \ imp vulgarizes \ impersonal valeted \ interlinked vises \ immobilize viewpoint \ inveighing vivifies \ inventiveness valeting \ identifiable virginal
< 1554762839 47996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, let's get some parts of speech knowledge in there.
< 1554762842 864243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for (( i=0;i<10;i++ )); do echo $(wn i -grepa | grep '^i' | shuf -n 1) $(wn v -grepn | grep '^v' | shuf -n 1); done
< 1554762847 238555 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance
< 1554762850 555725 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inescapable vibe \ insensitive visual cell \ in high spirits virazole \ intersexual vacation \ ingrown vanderbilt \ inordinate verification \ inexpiable verpa \ intended value-system \ interred value \ inharmonious veterinary
< 1554762862 868538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, should've filtered out spaces.
< 1554762871 706295 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could I forget one of my favourite words. they're *instance* variables, because they're specific to a pokemon instance, not to a pokemon type
< 1554762891 57350 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not inherent
< 1554762924 281513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for (( i=0;i<10;i++ )); do echo $(wn i -grepa | grep -v ' ' | grep '^i' | shuf -n 1) $(wn v -grepn | grep -v ' ' | grep '^v' | shuf -n 1)s; done # I'm sure that works for all plurals
< 1554762927 822550 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :intraspecific varlets \ inhumed venturesomenesss \ imbricate viverridaes \ infamous vedalias \ incommutable voles \ incautious velazquezs \ innoxious vacuums \ inhospitable volkhovs \ inspired viyellas \ intensifying vivas
< 1554762931 7834 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0075e8865da7af49fe.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1554762944 304826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"incommutable voles" is my guess.
< 1554763088 758803 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the vivas can't be right. vivas are like potions, they may help your pokemon in a battle like increase their HP or something, but I don't think they change the IVs
< 1554763460 228982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/acronym//w="${1:-tla}"; (for (( i=0;i<${#w};i++ )); do grep -i "^${w:$i:1}[a-z]*\$" share/dict-words | shuf -n 1; done) | xargs
< 1554763461 837653 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/acronym
< 1554763465 847069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`acronym NSA
< 1554763467 142106 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuzzles slumps asperity
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< 1554763696 749211 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` (for x in {0..19}; do words --eng-us 25; done) | perl -e 'local$/; /^[iIvV]/ and print"$_ " for split" ",;'
< 1554763705 837137 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtanatorum ver itz vastri intratorytonife vdi irhtnitchev isone volvc iiusoi van von ixtle inhard ironedc iovic voe iaphilli vsee igiddltlo versini inanca inngestei ister vik
< 1554763722 206062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :inhart volvcs then
< 1554763726 796593 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1554763731 477204 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :inhard volvcs
< 1554763754 448998 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :volvc is probably some technical term with the "vc" standing for "vector" and the "vol" standing for "volumetric"
< 1554763759 174155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "voxel"
< 1554763819 95564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ?
< 1554763819 382512 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: an eu interest, i will need to have the people, space, nation and sector. even this government, would not dealing, the reassurance given by article 50.
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< 1554764003 744828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Sorry, I don't feel very reassured by article 50, especially these days.
< 1554764003 886823 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but of course, and the uk to avoid a debate rather than a government acting.
< 1554764038 460422 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1554764040 686150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And I think we've managed to avoid exactly the latter instead of the former.
< 1554764040 972600 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are the government as to the possibility, and one of the more than a pub programme) and 30, and time and money afterwards can often have to be present, but
< 1554764065 39608 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1554764125 5398 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I'm new here
< 1554764125 370157 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeystance: is the hon. and learned friend the minister for that, and i fnord the crown is the abbey, the burial of the single jew who, almost in the next sentence, honestly, and switzerland, and the fact of the matter is of course, we have the debate,
< 1554764145 233682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might not get much help over there, I'm afraid.
< 1554764150 23880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monkeystance
< 1554764151 124731 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeystance: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1554764181 145143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an explanation of the honorable/learned/member/friend etiquette? Does learned refer to some sort of higher education?
< 1554764266 782067 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does fungot seem like a conspiracy theorist?
< 1554764266 921301 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeystance: as the hon. member the leave of the house, certainly every single mp, that the government
< 1554764293 191785 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1554764293 353891 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: will the hon. and learned friend the minister for our constructive of contributions, partly to the much discussed issue of open and closed it.
< 1554764294 297401 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
< 1554764300 948872 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeystance: ^ :)
< 1554764676 720373 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the purpose of #esoteric?
< 1554764689 3883 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people who make obscure programming languages to hang out?
< 1554764797 536636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a part of it yes. If you have stuff to discuss about esoteric programming language then you can discuss that too, though.
< 1554765137 592691 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal with wisdom.pdf
< 1554765196 272031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1554765197 307842 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Sane Mapoleon” boily is monetizing a brotherhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He is also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Groan Man Eating Chicken, a METARologist, seriously lacking in the f-word department, a thwack doctor, a Quintopial antipodist, and a renowned Capitalist who helps keep the world kafkaesque.
< 1554765250 890157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1554765251 986314 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
< 1554765282 491625 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1554765283 680607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom.pdf is a snapshot of the collected wisdom of this channel, more or less.
< 1554765326 243298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the editor hardly ever (or never?) comes here anymore.
< 1554765396 385983 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it definitely is a collection of something
< 1554765425 54722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a way in SQLite to optimize queries from the assumption that "ORDER BY X,Y" and "ORDER BY Y,X" are the same order?
< 1554765447 278504 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeystance: also if you are into category theory, for instance, this is discussed too. And, umm, take a look at the logs for a couple of days, there are a lot of other topics. Can’t describe them all, I’m here not too long
< 1554765464 997279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, look at logs to see what is on this channel, if you want to do
< 1554765521 89058 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554765579 475724 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e. g. there is a fine line how much to spam the bots in public is still not frowned upon, and I can’t tell where exactly it lies
< 1554765596 59050 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after several years
< 1554765612 237556 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll be able to say
< 1554765691 875506 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw there should be a patch adding “fungot is hon. and learned” to Baba Is You
< 1554765692 197225 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: we will be working to. they will not, and that this is the fnord fnord own information indicating the effect. we have no deterrents, and my right, simply because the government are
< 1554765726 450548 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn’t it time to switch their style?
< 1554765753 806791 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naaaa, Brexit is still a hot topic :P
< 1554765758 926223 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I also start seeing something conspiratory
< 1554765845 236800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the style is changed at very erratic intervals, though only a few styles surivive more than half a dozen queries.
< 1554765853 554388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the youtube one, for example, is awful)
< 1554765945 531256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to add any further styles?
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< 1554766206 705225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1554766206 746365 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube
< 1554766256 752203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, many of those are not so good.
< 1554766281 502404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe replace them with better ones then
< 1554766317 905799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think "irc" and "europarl" are the ones that work best as far as conversation goes, ISTR "sms" was pretty lifelike but not so often used, "ct" holds a certain charm but gets repetitive fast, and that's about it.
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< 1554766449 758367 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discworld is a fun guessing game... which book is it quoting? It has a strong tendency to produce literal quotes.
< 1554766465 743987 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some values of "fun")
< 1554766489 727007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be a style of Magic: the Gathering? Would there be a style to use all styles together?
< 1554766516 722530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have an actual guessing game over at #douglasadams on the IRCnet side. It would quote three lines from one of the five books, and the first person to say the number of the book won a point.
< 1554766575 115520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be convenient to have an on-the-fly "all the styles together" mode, but that's a bit too much work to implement in Befunge.
< 1554766583 370147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Your !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! year mission is to !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!,
< 1554766583 744795 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!, land !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! a safe distance !!!!! !!!!!
< 1554766583 744842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... ..... ..... .... , land ..... ..... .....
< 1554766595 489298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :5?
< 1554766602 933456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I can see how that would be fun ... I'd fail for this one.
< 1554766605 704179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is right
< 1554766637 995080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that one part in the prologue that's word-for-word identical in 4 and one of the earlier books.
< 1554766639 198425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a precomputed "all the styles together" mode?
< 1554766641 781856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of hard.
< 1554766643 244845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't remember those books all that well anymore. Maybe I can now read them for a fifth or so time :)
< 1554766680 155600 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! => I’m starting to panic there
< 1554766682 293884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I deduced 5 because that's what the Grebulons were doing.
< 1554766704 748860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In theory. I would probably need to prune some of them, since I think a few styles are close to the file size limits.
< 1554766807 501272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be I could use srilm's ngram-merge tool if I wrote a script to do the conversion backwards. The way most of those are trained are using the VariKN toolkit, which produces standard .arpa files, and then I have an "arpa2fungot.pl" script to generate the files the bot understands.
< 1554766807 670215 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as the hon. member the leave of the house, wringing, with lines such as
< 1554766815 392969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct
< 1554766815 433768 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
< 1554766839 273194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also have my GURPS game story recording, although I am guessing that there is not enough data to use that, I think.)
< 1554766848 146300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: script much?
< 1554766848 229905 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: need a clone? the magician, nolstein bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
< 1554766881 729425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: if you take a wheel of a tricycle, do you get a bicycle then?
< 1554766881 820412 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you! take! we find! aaahhhh! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's the kind! i've decided to stay with these humans! you're a traitor! you're not our king! but, we are far outnumbered!
< 1554766913 686510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably haven't figured out the best VariKN parameters for the application, though, since I don't think the later styles work all that well. The few earliest ones used a much simpler handmade C++ thing.
< 1554766973 302553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we got that bug fixed which caused to get it stuck in a loop all the time.
< 1554767122 618189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it has a command to get the styles and select a style, surely those can be combined *ducks*
< 1554767175 957077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking that seriously, a random *fixed* style would be easy enough to add.
< 1554767187 563971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you asking for a fungot autostylist?
< 1554767187 604760 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: must think of a way to the ocean palace?
< 1554767203 478277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That'd probably be a good idea, it's not a safe place to be.
< 1554767203 519152 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: these unique items make us invincible! well...yes. are you sure this is money...
< 1554767205 485353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as long as it does pedicure
< 1554767229 212300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "chrono trigger"
< 1554767230 23905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger
< 1554767272 519161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember most of the bits it's quoting from, in this style.
< 1554767299 625243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and once you have a way to select a random style, you could add a flag to run that before each babbling, or something...
< 1554767323 483934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives oerjan a quiz-zical look.
< 1554767327 795679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, but I mean, "use all styles" would mean merging all the models.
< 1554767366 235484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but given that this started as a mention of a guessing game, i assumed each babble should be from only one...
< 1554767397 812866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "unique items" are for the sidequest refights of Ozzie/Flea/Slash, "you! take! we find!" is from Ayla's time, the chef's in a snit in 600AD, "you're not our king" is from the easter egg-ish thing of bringing Magus to meet Ozzie in the late-game...
< 1554767422 453752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's really a tricycle! pass him!" is from one of the funnier special endings.
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< 1554767753 232129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok time for the bleach <-- . o O ( his mind has finally had enough )
< 1554767819 86525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i didn't know b_jonas had a habit of sometimes speaking about house chores, that would be the most likely interpretation.
< 1554767973 554715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1554767974 612512 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is invalid.
< 1554768222 890867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is 68657861646563696D616C.
< 1554768224 931305 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is 68657861646563696D616C.
< 1554768236 121802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope we haven't done that one yet.)
< 1554768249 804833 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We did have "alphanumeric".)
< 1554768483 384989 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think thats a very good password
< 1554768571 345401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there an explanation of the honorable/learned/member/friend etiquette? Does learned refer to some sort of higher education? <-- wikipedia had some. iirc: honorable member = general MP, friend = same party, learned = lawyer
< 1554768576 929108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hwrl password
< 1554768577 781513 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/wisdom/password
< 1554768607 426825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeystance: it's just a running gag.
< 1554768827 861880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to google why qjkxbmwvz is a lousy password.
< 1554768905 617261 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I think computerphile has a good video on password security
< 1554768953 406699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print pack("H*", "68657861646563696D616C");' # just checking
< 1554768954 122206 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexadecimal
< 1554769090 361087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monkeystance: you may be overestimating the seriousness of this channel.
< 1554769111 699087 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol mb
< 1554769154 707311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck
< 1554769155 779412 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array
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> 1554773452 467225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60930&oldid=60927 5* 03Void 5* (+174) 10
> 1554773636 984812 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60931&oldid=60930 5* 03Void 5* (-1) 10
< 1554774153 480628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also "right" means member of the queen's privy council, a most peculiar body.
> 1554774154 341237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60932&oldid=60931 5* 03Void 5* (+93) 10
< 1554774258 549816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc part of it is the supreme court of some non-UK commonwealth countries (i may be mixing that up)
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> 1554774472 976858 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60933&oldid=60932 5* 03Void 5* (+419) 10/* Next steps */
> 1554774844 603465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60934&oldid=60933 5* 03Void 5* (+209) 10
> 1554775432 133340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Void 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Zmq6w93bbho21.png10]]"
> 1554775530 694902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60936&oldid=60934 5* 03Void 5* (+336) 10
> 1554776499 836848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Void 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Screenshot from 2019-04-09 04-20-58.png10]]"
> 1554776653 501112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60938&oldid=60936 5* 03Void 5* (+162) 10/* Evolving programs */
> 1554777501 287594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60939&oldid=60938 5* 03Void 5* (+1883) 10
> 1554777684 634529 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60940&oldid=60939 5* 03Void 5* (+38) 10/* The principle of least authority */
> 1554777786 524431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60941&oldid=60940 5* 03Void 5* (-3) 10
> 1554778297 948178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Void 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Recursivecontrol.png10]]"
> 1554778393 554638 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Void 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Recursivecontrol2.png10]]"
> 1554778423 374371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60944&oldid=60941 5* 03Void 5* (+70) 10/* Language overview */
> 1554778480 682112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60945&oldid=60944 5* 03Void 5* (-1) 10/* Machine cooperation, the very big picture */
> 1554778870 74469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60946&oldid=60945 5* 03Void 5* (+116) 10/* Language overview */
> 1554779043 364851 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60947&oldid=60946 5* 03Void 5* (-8) 10/* Implementations */
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> 1554780282 23876 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[079014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60948&oldid=60473 5* 03Ais523 5* (+8) 10editing to fix a link target is fine, but you need to work the new link target into the sentence
> 1554781471 503151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GarryM 5* 10New user account
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< 1554793404 930426 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-53.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://esolangs.org/logs/2019-04-08.html re explanation of the "hon. and learned friend" and other forms of address
< 1554793582 609214 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-53.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Would there be a style of Magic: the Gathering? Would there be a style to use all styles together?" => \? roborosewater for the former, ^style fungot for the latter
< 1554793582 690464 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: cyrus! are you leaving! you've got to be joking!?
< 1554794084 68042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-53.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1554794085 318281 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :423) tswett: last argument must be a cub scout!! have you made your money-drop today??
< 1554794094 760341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-53.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1554794095 429733 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :83) okay I see it now, quines do exist
< 1554794159 331338 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-53.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1554794160 39462 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :918) what are some good concurrency primitives shachaf: how primitive do you want?
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> 1554797636 819882 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60949&oldid=54594 5* 03A 5* (+217) 10/* Development of a compiler */
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> 1554798179 853913 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dtuser 5* 10New user account
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> 1554800760 123906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60950&oldid=60928 5* 03Dtuser 5* (+206) 10/* Introductions */
> 1554801474 136311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60951&oldid=58308 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+76) 10
> 1554801645 575290 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Drive-In Window14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60952&oldid=60254 5* 03Dtuser 5* (+24) 10The interpreter for this programming language is implemented.
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< 1554809719 477845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are just: https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.15102
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< 1554811636 496297 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AARGH
< 1554811689 213369 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran into a particularly annoying bug in this software I didn't write, but where the code I wrote exercises the bug that you'd normally not meet, so now I'll have to clean it so that the program doesn't randomly crash later.
< 1554812043 709066 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I managed to create a corrupt file with some strange operations I did.
< 1554813281 629822 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is indexed monad twice in that?
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< 1554813381 153387 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xor
< 1554813382 149281 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xor is just addition of nimbers.
< 1554813382 497412 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ^
< 1554813383 534274 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ (also notated by ⊕ or ⊻) is the exclusive-or operator; ∧ (also notated by /\ or &) is the and (conjunction) operator; ^ (also notated by ↑ or ** or ⋆) is the power operator.
< 1554813406 21639 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nimber
< 1554813407 109749 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nimber? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1554814632 868032 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow...
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< 1554814677 683731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The file of it has got two lines for some reason, and that's (slightly transformed) what came out of gwrp.
< 1554814680 713691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -l wisdom/'indexed monad'
< 1554814681 656605 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 wisdom/indexed monad
< 1554814729 196877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg indexed monad
< 1554814730 800618 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3151:2013-06-18 sed -i \'2s/$/./\' wisdom/indexed\\ monad \ 3150:2013-06-17 echo \'Indexed monads are just monads on an indexed category\' >> wisdom/\'indexed monad\' \ 3149:2013-06-17 mv \'indexed monad\' wisdom/
< 1554814784 731419 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad
< 1554814785 565537 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads
< 1554814785 823546 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
< 1554814786 594702 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just free monad monad monad algebras.
< 1554814801 112767 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's suspicious too
< 1554814824 438004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f -exec wc -l '{}' + | grep -v '^ *1 '
< 1554814825 821369 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 wisdom/bdsmreclist \ 0 wisdom/rules of wisdom \ 0 wisdom/funpuns \ 2 wisdom/indexed monad \ 1558 total
< 1554815494 488588 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` set -e; cd wisdom; for f in *; do test -e "${f}s" && echo "$f"; done;
< 1554815495 205603 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :emac \ funpun \ justice \ monad \ monoid \ number \ o \ oop \ the u
< 1554815496 686023 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? emac
< 1554815497 810691 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eMac, released in 2002, was the first model of Macintosh computer to use electricity.
< 1554815498 691395 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? emacs
< 1554815499 757777 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is the weird brother of nano.
< 1554815504 561598 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpun
< 1554815505 765559 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns
< 1554815505 975489 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1554815506 844984 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dhrra Funpuns bs gur Qnja fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Ur qbrfa'g xabj jura gb fgbc nfxvat dhrfgvbaf. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1554815531 387603 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` \? funpun | tr N-ZA-Mn-za-m A-Za-z
< 1554815533 960313 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprƀ som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him.
< 1554815556 352253 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` \? funpuns | tr N-ZA-Mn-za-m A-Za-z
< 1554815557 776407 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprƀ som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions. The unit of fun punnery is named after him.
< 1554815560 656017 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? justice
< 1554815561 187512 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? justices
< 1554815561 834360 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justice is just behavior or treatment.
< 1554815562 504614 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justices are just members of the Supreme Court.
< 1554815566 711757 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? number
< 1554815567 223892 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? numbers
< 1554815567 934006 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of the hour is 14.
< 1554815568 578077 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers: 0, 848, 1344, 1696, 1969, 2192, _, 2544, 2688, 2817, _, 3040, _, _, 3313, 3392, ...
< 1554815575 29228 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? os
< 1554815576 113360 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os is the accusative plural of us. Alsø a village in Denmark. Ånd a Norwegian spirit.
< 1554815580 449846 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oops
< 1554815581 207793 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oop
< 1554815581 454762 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS (Obligatory Oblivious PunS) is a variant of OOP.
< 1554815582 613783 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP (Obligatory Opportunistic Pun) is a popular technique for naming things, thus solving zero of the hard problems in computer science.
< 1554815585 781759 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the u
< 1554815586 758119 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The U are a very mad people.
< 1554815796 294676 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget funpun
< 1554815798 25696 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1554815801 128794 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpun
< 1554815802 229436 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpun? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554815803 899124 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns
< 1554815805 194718 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dhrra Funpuns bs gur Qnja fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Ur qbrfa'g xabj jura gb fgbc nfxvat dhrfgvbaf. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1554815825 729564 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` mv -vi wisdom/funpun{s,}
< 1554815828 869589 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wisdom/funpuns' -> 'wisdom/funpun'
< 1554815830 144497 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpun
< 1554815831 257011 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dhrra Funpuns bs gur Qnja fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Ur qbrfa'g xabj jura gb fgbc nfxvat dhrfgvbaf. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1554815833 813140 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns
< 1554815835 116950 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dhrra Funpuns bs gur Qnja fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Ur qbrfa'g xabj jura gb fgbc nfxvat dhrfgvbaf. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1554816889 440041 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I learned that when linux added real posix-like threads, they actually made the existing _exit syscall exit just a thread, and added a new syscall called group_exit that exits all threads of the current process, and the libc _exit function actually calls the latter. this is scary.
< 1554816926 724120 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also trying to look up some other details about thread internals, but they're mostly buried deep inside the kernel and libc, so I can't find much
< 1554818472 901650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I don't see why this is scary.
< 1554818491 425240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(threads, yes. but syscall naming?)
< 1554823339 466261 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? test
< 1554823340 569838 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :test failed. HackEgo-JUnit is not available.
< 1554823589 981091 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rkyequnvgrsqalqg PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hey you! You!
< 1554823590 62367 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett[m]: but cyrus! are you leaving! who the heck are you?! c'mon!!
< 1554823637 349697 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rkyequnvgrsqalqg PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: around
< 1554823637 469102 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett[m]: shall we get back to the present? he's been known. we reptites will rule the world in a mere door that keeps us bound, hand, foot...and tongue kid? ...oh, it's you, isn't this morbid? the great adventurer toma levine rests in a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's place...
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> 1554830694 521358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Polynomial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60953&oldid=55275 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+155) 10
> 1554830704 241547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Polynomial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60954&oldid=60953 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (-1) 10
> 1554832750 588401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Polytran14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60955 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1547) 10Created page with "Polytran is an [[esoteric programming language]] that is a mix between [[Polynomial]] and [[Fortran]], made by [[User: Areallycoolusername|Areallycoolusername]]. It was inspir..."
< 1554834456 164547 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone has gone on https://www.theproofistrivial.com/ and gotten a genuinely valuable insight from it
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< 1554837766 669065 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: sometimes it says sensible things e. g. “Just view the problem as a // compact // group // whose elements are // non-degenerate // linear transformations”
< 1554837782 163614 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about valuable insights, though…
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> 1554839738 408950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BotEngine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60956&oldid=45534 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+38) 10
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< 1554842958 338805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" fungot: if you take a wheel of a tricycle, do you get a bicycle then?" => you know that tom7 has done some research on a similar topic, right?
< 1554842958 422282 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's time you jumped off this mortal coil...
< 1554842965 896843 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww
< 1554842968 57468 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1554842968 98341 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
< 1554842982 616820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a nice thing to say, fungot
< 1554842982 657733 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: by thy leave, crono?!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono!
< 1554843089 819104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also a verbatim quote. This style is prone to do those.
< 1554843093 777661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7
< 1554843093 820375 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII)
< 1554843098 496462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe changing games would help.
< 1554843113 476913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you more friendly now?
< 1554843113 553459 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at least i thought i gave this to the id security check area. the use of getting gossip on everyone? everyone's here?
< 1554843261 240841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that sounds almost like the normal IRC style.
< 1554843338 448280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't
> 1554843391 260242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60957&oldid=60926 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-53) 10this is not rewriting, I'm changing the paradigim
< 1554843502 427567 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://youtu.be/mNTj05I4k5I Unlikely Bikes: The Unibicle (from 2016)
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< 1554845446 836897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1554845460 671277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for airplane tickets, within Europe
< 1554845500 16443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules of this airline says that check-in baggage has a maximum size of 1.58 m for sum of length and width and depth. that's actually quite small. I'm not used to such a small limit.
< 1554845527 520387 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bring oversized luggage, but it costs a lot
< 1554845545 81489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people measure things like that?
< 1554845573 932820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because they don't want to list like three different sets of three maximum dimensions
< 1554845692 912173 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the most efficient shape is a suitcase shaped like a perfect 52 cm cube
< 1554845733 378814 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start a line of cube shaped baggage products
< 1554845772 461942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the local transport in Budapest has the rule that each piece of baggage must be sized at most 0.4x0.5x0.8 or 0.2x0.2x2 meters, and you can take two pieces of such baggage. there are certain exceptions, most importantly for baby carriages.
< 1554845810 594727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means in effect that many people who carry adult sports equipment or a large musical instrument are technically disobeying the rules
< 1554845821 836615 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, this is just one of the many rules that are often disobeyed
< 1554845885 404167 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're technically also not supposed to eat on the buses, and you're only allowed to take dogs if they are either in a box or (on a leash and wearing a muzzle guard)
< 1554845948 255275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's not so simple, because I also want to put the luggage in the automatic luggage cabins in airports or stations, and such a cube would be hard to fit
< 1554845986 859327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would also be inconvenient on the train and other transport from and to the airpor
< 1554846324 510430 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the rules for what you aren't allowed to put in hand luggage, and what you aren't allowed to put in check-in luggage.
< 1554846333 231869 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual this specifically mentions throwing stars.
< 1554846353 679975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says that you aren't allowed to put "billiard, snooker and pool cues" in your hand luggage
< 1554846378 588567 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you'd fit one in hand luggage anyway
< 1554846384 958140 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is a pool cue?
< 1554846583 351140 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly won't fit
< 1554847261 430554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I booked the airplane for vacation
< 1554847278 762749 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-103.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the cheaper part, I'll also have to book accomodation
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< 1554853358 843546 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opened a plenty of new places in BIY and played a level in each, nice
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< 1554855223 319557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpun
< 1554855224 530898 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dhrra Funpuns bs gur Qnja fceƀ fbz fryyrev naq pbfcynlf Arcrgn Yrvwba ba jrrxraqf. Ur ungrf oryy crccref jvgu n cnffvba. Ur qbrfa'g xabj jura gb fgbc nfxvat dhrfgvbaf. Gur havg bs sha chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1554855229 643151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf
< 1554855230 712572 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
< 1554855274 476066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess b_jonas deleted the right one.
< 1554855564 979179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing
< 1554855603 700100 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say, the 's' should clearly be part of the entry name :P
< 1554855619 161692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 f
< 1554855620 23904 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1554855706 560093 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 ø
< 1554855707 322636 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ƀ
< 1554855800 70403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode øƀ
< 1554855800 847873 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+00F8 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE] [U+0180 LATIN SMALL LETTER B WITH STROKE]
< 1554855899 151527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made rot13 more semantic
< 1554855907 46919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rot13
< 1554855907 725888 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/hackenv/bin/shebang_args_or_input python \ \ import re, sys, unicodedata as U \ def tr(c): \ m = re.match(r'(.*\bLATIN\b.*\bLETTER )([A-Z])\b(.*)', U.name(c, '')) \ if m: \ p, q, r = m.groups() \ n = ord(q) - ord('A') \ try: \ return U.lookup(p + chr(ord('A') + (n + 13) % 26) + r) \ except KeyError: \ return c \ return c \ \ def tr2(c): \ d = tr(c) \ if d != c: \ r
< 1554855975 459410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet did.
< 1554856082 785131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm soory I missed the singular funpun entry when I updated the plural one.
< 1554856108 587533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You updated it?
< 1554856115 110931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg funpuns
< 1554856116 652588 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11772:2019-04-09 `` mv -vi wisdom/funpun{s,} \ 11748:2019-03-04 ` echo -n $(cat wisdom/shachaf) The unit of fun punnery is named after him. | rot13 > wisdom/funpuns \ 7399:2016-04-17 rm wisdom/funpuns \ 7398:2016-04-17 le/rn_append funpuns/Gur havg bs onq chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz.
< 1554856125 893543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg funpun
< 1554856127 460102 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11772:2019-04-09 `` mv -vi wisdom/funpun{s,} \ 11771:2019-04-09 forget funpun \ 11105:2017-07-21 slwd funpun//s/\xc3\xb8/\xc6\x80/ \ 7401:2016-04-17 ` sed -i \'s/onq/sha/\' wisdom/funpun \ 7400:2016-04-17 le/rn_append funpun/Gur havg bs onq chaarel vf anzrq nsgre uvz. \ 5814:2015-07-09 ` rot13 < wisdom/shachaf >wisdom/funpun \ 4367:2014-01-25 r13 wisdom/funp
< 1554856127 858834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, regenerated it.
< 1554856148 456523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, they aren't rot13 of each other.
< 1554856195 343194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm not an expert on fun puns.
< 1554856469 642971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last few days have made the bulk of my use of urxvt's ctrl-right-click context menu.
< 1554856478 32988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It has a rot13 option.)
< 1554856498 826306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1554856510 49008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a keybinding to rot13 the contents of the clipboard.
< 1554856516 941755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't help so much with viewing.
< 1554856560 200038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The urxvt thing rot13's the contents of the primary selection, but also briefly shows it in a corner-of-the-window overlay thing.
< 1554856569 127943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's very brief, though.)
< 1554856603 815638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use urxvt but now I don't.
< 1554856624 690069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a "convert newlines to spaces" tool.
< 1554856632 369734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems it still doesn't support changing the font size dynamically.
< 1554856633 679919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I'd still like to set up something like your indicators.
< 1554856643 855726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, very clunkily it does.
< 1554856654 896428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rewrote my indicator program to monitor X11 selection-changed events.
< 1554856669 74576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.keysym.C-minus: command:\033]710;xft:Tamzen:pixelsize=13, DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=10\007
< 1554856671 938624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was polling once a second but the delay between changing clipboard size and seeing it updated was annoying me.
< 1554856691 849012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I use when I move a terminal to the lower-DPI monitor sometimes.
< 1554856710 840905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just write my own terminal emulator.
< 1554856743 574863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do have to set URxvt.insecure on to use that option, which is annoying, especially if you spend time around places like this where all kinds of bytes come and go.
< 1554856773 315203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you set urxvt options through text prited in the terminal?
< 1554856778 223051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you execute arbitrary commands that way?
< 1554856835 98599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly through text printed, the "command:" action prefix for a keybinding parses it as a control sequence.
< 1554856851 625464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the "insecure" flag is the same for both. I'd prefer to enable it only for these "internal" things.
< 1554856874 655545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "right" way to do this would be to use one of the Perl extensions written for controlling the font size.
< 1554856886 753575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then just trigger that extension from the key binding.)
< 1554856897 169893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just, effort.
< 1554856899 929428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the right way would be to just have that built in?
< 1554856906 945421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Maybe.
< 1554856914 68479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the font size is one of relatively few things I want my terminal to do.
< 1554856939 559821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was looking at this, there were at least two different urxvt extensions to do it, I'm not sure why I discarded them.
< 1554856955 968993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it would be nice if it supported that as a feature.
< 1554857007 643004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/simmel/urxvt-resize-font I think is the better one, in that it's at least not too many lines.
< 1554857165 947215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think "insecure: true" is also required for window title setting, which I kind of like.
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< 1554861409 965194 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mrfs a bit
< 1554861579 526438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wn mrf
< 1554861582 510204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1554861586 176687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn mrf
< 1554861587 210259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "mrf".
< 1554861592 749023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1554861596 505700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mrf
< 1554861597 602341 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrf? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554861602 878320 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words are hard.
< 1554861630 436331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it's perfectly fine czech.
< 1554861679 910824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although wiktionary doesn't know it.
< 1554861920 660257 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just tired, because moving be like that.
< 1554863046 411965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wn mrf -over
< 1554863048 141264 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
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< 1554863564 848411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/explain//wn "${1:-explain}" -n1 -hypen -hypev | sed -e '1,/^Sense/d;/^$/,$d' | tr '\n' ' ' | sed -e 's/ */ /g'
< 1554863566 412851 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/explain
< 1554863570 246553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`explain word
< 1554863571 48356 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :word => language unit, linguistic unit => part, portion, component part, component, constituent => relation => abstraction, abstract entity => entity
< 1554863577 431275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WordNet is tg.)
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> 1554873817 59824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MiniStringFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60958&oldid=50538 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-2) 10also not re-writing
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< 1554878862 125012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
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< 1554886776 512779 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfgz2ng38e2jxt.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1554887592 665453 :b_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 NICK :wob_jonas
< 1554887656 798503 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 98.6
< 1554887657 668516 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :98.60°F = 37.00°C
< 1554887668 725021 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ctof 36.4
< 1554887669 326672 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :36.40°C = 97.52°F
< 1554887855 837940 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I looked at the history. at one point boily appended to both wisdom/funpun and wisdom/funpuns , where one existed before, and from that point on both existed in parallel
< 1554887892 515770 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the s is part of the name, which is what the wisdom body says, but IMO it shouldn't be in the wisdom name so that both `? funpuns and `? funpun works
< 1554887921 195910 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way people can find the entry even if they don't know that it's not the plural of funpuns
< 1554887959 401077 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I blame boily
< 1554889916 329842 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good thing with the internet is that there's so much of them. I'm listening to music from the internet, but if I don't like a piece of music, I can switch to a different one.
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< 1554892441 762957 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1554892701 23320 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's about time for a new o. someone upload it.
< 1554896541 46250 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? outstanding
< 1554896542 269064 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :outstanding? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554897085 375185 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: outstanding is when someone is upright in an outdoors position, as in "that scarecrow is outstanding in his field"
< 1554897225 699386 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. so tall buildings are outstanding, eg. I live in an outstanding house.
< 1554897298 388936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1554897304 255333 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See also "outlier"
< 1554897503 386169 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "Not many scarecrows have fallen over, but that one over there is an outlier"
< 1554897821 821864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, WordNet ranks the one sense higher than the other.
< 1554897825 379102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn outlier
< 1554897826 580073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "outlier" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1554897826 621784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :outlier
< 1554897826 662577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a person who lives away from his place of work
< 1554897826 662619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: an extreme deviation from the mean
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< 1554901013 198616 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1554901083 601071 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
> 1554902558 993368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60959 5* 03A 5* (+751) 10Created page with "[[CARfish]] is an esolang that tries to make experiences of [[Deadfish]] worse. (It has the same four commands, though.) CARfish started out from two separate languages: Map(..."
> 1554902787 999849 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60960&oldid=60959 5* 03A 5* (+447) 10
> 1554903007 887204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60961&oldid=60960 5* 03A 5* (+178) 10/* ANTS documentation */
> 1554903967 63599 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60962&oldid=60961 5* 03A 5* (+689) 10/* ANTS documentation */
> 1554904299 665930 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60963&oldid=60962 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10/* ANTS documentation */
> 1554905111 323076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60964&oldid=60963 5* 03A 5* (+67) 10/* Map documentation */
> 1554905339 455949 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60965&oldid=60964 5* 03A 5* (+557) 10
> 1554905450 790839 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60966&oldid=60693 5* 03A 5* (+106) 10/* Variants of deadfish */
> 1554905538 22227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60967&oldid=60965 5* 03A 5* (+43) 10
> 1554905987 169647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CARfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60968&oldid=60967 5* 03A 5* (+70) 10
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> 1554910960 571306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Control Character14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60969&oldid=60818 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+940) 10
> 1554911134 360458 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60970&oldid=60947 5* 03Void 5* (+111) 10/* Examples/Use cases */
< 1554911240 481613 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's a dairy near San Francisco called Clover, and all of their marketing involves terrible puns
< 1554911251 182201 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of which is "Our cows are outstanding in their field"
< 1554911335 14299 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1554911496 614926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my joke wasn't original, but I don't know where I stole it from
< 1554911596 28013 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tickles me that you can get on the subway here and ride out to a place where you can see cows standing around from the train
< 1554911670 106889 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do that on the Tyne & Wear Metro, too
< 1554911699 342518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up being able to see cows standing around from my bedroom, and I do miss it
> 1554911774 488466 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60971&oldid=60970 5* 03Void 5* (+423) 10/* Local, social network or market based cooperative resource sharing between devices */
< 1554911778 483265 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote boring
< 1554911779 164402 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :108) how does a "DNA computer" work. von neumann machines? CakeProphet, that's boring in the context of DNA. It's just stealing the universe's work and passing it off as our own. \ 172) My quotes are boring \ 327) yes i use the services of a psychic, but i'm considering getting a live one since stuff like "hello $name, your first name $first_name has |$first_name| letters, s
> 1554911793 703117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60972&oldid=60971 5* 03Void 5* (+1) 10/* Cooperative resource sharing between devices= */
> 1554912210 414134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Control Character14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60973&oldid=60969 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+136) 10
< 1554912319 167578 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 327
< 1554912319 845317 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :327) yes i use the services of a psychic, but i'm considering getting a live one since stuff like "hello $name, your first name $first_name has |$first_name| letters, so by using numerology we can tell ..." is getting kind of boring
< 1554912445 352808 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xymdwfetedfzyayu JOIN :#esoteric
> 1554912482 234417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Control Character14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60974&oldid=60973 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+20) 10
< 1554912686 101536 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“JawSig is a programming language where the code is assembled from jigsaw tiles and should resemble a jaw and someones’s signature to compile”
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> 1554916031 795350 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Polytran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60975&oldid=60955 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+2959) 10Added code explanations and an example
> 1554916168 783449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60976&oldid=60910 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+15) 10/* P */
> 1554916319 865587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Polytran14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60977&oldid=60975 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+109) 10
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> 1554920209 370922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytePusher14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60978&oldid=60929 5* 03Emg 5* (+17) 10Update line count on my (emg) bytepusher VM
> 1554920425 919385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60979&oldid=60972 5* 03Void 5* (+95) 10/* Language overview */
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< 1554922917 86527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether http://blog.lczero.org/2019/04/announcing-lcz-worlds-first-neural-net.html would satisfy zzo38's Z-machine cravings for the month.
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< 1554926719 693521 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I grew up being able to see cows standing around from my bedroom, and I do miss it" => what how? you aren't so young that you already had the world wide web and internet access at home when as grew up
< 1554926866 451932 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) I'm afraid I rather am that young. I remember my dad showing me the web when I was 6 or 7
< 1554926870 303764 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) I meant out the window
< 1554926882 625424 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1554926888 993317 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1554926890 481917 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1554926910 176377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: food
< 1554926911 263478 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, nutella, and cognac.
< 1554926940 548807 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we already knew of sand when I was young. we played with it in the park.
< 1554926961 212700 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we had ruins too
< 1554926964 321387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mistake is assuming I'm not going to invent a time machine
< 1554926968 158370 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Italian
< 1554926969 208286 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italian is the most melodious language known. Taneb invented it to sing better in the shower.
< 1554926972 670437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1554927009 695460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushroom
< 1554927011 539351 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554927014 304823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!
< 1554927014 345989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1554927020 426096 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just yesterday, our boss requested that we use a time machine to satisfy some too short deadline that a customer demands
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< 1554927344 334502 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
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< 1554927845 930746 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` rev <<< live
< 1554927848 231760 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil
> 1554928208 173445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytePusher14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60980&oldid=60978 5* 03Emg 5* (-17) 10Don't need to be so specific about how many lines my VM is, it keeps changing
< 1554928911 282587 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` rev <<<"evil stun trap wolf dial drawer loop rail tide doom emit peek repair ward gulp loot moor reed"
< 1554928911 993038 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :deer room tool plug draw riaper keep time mood edit liar pool reward laid flow part nuts live
< 1554928933 334545 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1554928935 999286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-37.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` rev <<<"evil stun trap wolf dial drawer loop rail tide doom emit peek repaid ward gulp loot moor reed"
< 1554928936 735697 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :deer room tool plug draw diaper keep time mood edit liar pool reward laid flow part nuts live
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> 1554934472 180049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytePusher14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60981&oldid=60980 5* 03Emg 5* (+20) 10Mention new minified VM
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< 1554937878 731022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd wisdom; ls *s
< 1554937879 748785 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 random numbers \ `whoops \ `words \ abyss \ all the single objects \ all the tropes \ ambiguous \ ananas \ b_jonas \ brontosaurus \ chaos \ chess \ chuck norris \ cls \ comics \ complexity class \ css \ culprits \ dingas \ emacs \ fentimans \ for further details \ glados \ glass \ hambiguitous \ hand injuries \ hfs \ hippothalamus \ inverness \ jesus \ justices \ lens \ lystrosaurus \ madness \ magnus \ magus \ maths \ mipis \ mips \ monads \ monoids \
< 1554937886 346169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? whoop
< 1554937887 419543 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoop? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554937902 83056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i didn't make it go both ways
< 1554937915 783714 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar kden
< 1554937916 801313 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @metar KDEN
< 1554937920 167150 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1554937922 717967 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KDEN
< 1554937924 257197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDEN 102309Z 36021KT 1/4SM R35L/1800V2400FT SN FZFG VV006 M03/M04 A2964 RMK AO2 PK WND 36027/2304 TWR VIS 1/2 P0000 T10331044 $
< 1554937952 562467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly int-e got fed up of that trick and made lambdabot ignore HackEso
< 1554937977 330097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably because of `? weather)
< 1554937983 888608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weather
< 1554937984 962913 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK PAMR
< 1554937997 409035 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1554937998 839531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1554937999 51854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 102250Z 13008KT CAVOK M03/M10 Q1030 RMK WIND 670FT 14007KT
< 1554938018 523728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed more springy last week...
< 1554938078 32373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/metar
< 1554938078 727833 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ icao="$(airport "$*" | sed -e "s/.*, //;s/)//" | shuf -n 1)" \ echo lambdabot: @metar "${icao:-$1}"
< 1554938084 94136 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed more spring-y yesterday, for that matter.
< 1554938118 152139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/metar//s,lambdabot:,You probably mean,
< 1554938119 764460 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/metar//#!/bin/bash \ icao="$(airport "$*" | sed -e "s/.*, //;s/)//" | shuf -n 1)" \ echo You probably mean @metar "${icao:-$1}"
< 1554938131 279350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar TEST
< 1554938132 253495 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably mean @metar LFCH
< 1554938154 491763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's cleverer
< 1554938167 295143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar vaernes
< 1554938168 763126 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably mean @metar vaernes
< 1554938174 687621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not that clever
< 1554938208 717744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar DEN
< 1554938209 663001 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably mean @metar SAOV
< 1554938215 604948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1554938219 718673 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFO
< 1554938220 58571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 102256Z 27021KT 10SM FEW200 18/08 A3026 RMK AO2 SLP246 T01780078
< 1554938227 695040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's guessing seems a bit random
< 1554938231 716331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-'
< 1554938319 805904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar TRD
< 1554938320 740491 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably mean @metar ENVA
< 1554938324 986226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got that one
< 1554938344 22597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbt metar
< 1554938344 633406 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ icao="$(airport "$*" | sed -e "s/.*, //;s/)//" | shuf -n 1)" \ echo You probably mean @metar "${icao:-$1}"
< 1554938369 968926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak
< 1554938370 222881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 102253Z 26014KT 10SM FEW200 19/10 A3025 RMK AO2 SLP242 T01940100 $
< 1554938374 117896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar oak
< 1554938374 931331 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably mean @metar KPTK
< 1554938383 985748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport KPTK
< 1554938384 776532 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oakland County International Airport (PTK, KPTK)
< 1554938387 590565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1554938409 597555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a county-owned public-use airport located in Waterford Township, Oakland County, Michigan, United States
< 1554938413 39021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThackEso
< 1554938418 484373 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi chaf
< 1554938432 381932 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to get weather reports over APRS yesterday, but aprsdroid can't decode them :(
< 1554938454 192213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1554938466 330714 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDEN isn't really the nearest airport here, but it's the nearest one with an ICAO code I remember.
< 1554938575 704873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? outstanding
< 1554938576 771018 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :outstanding? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554938639 495160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`# Thaneb//`learn Outstanding is when someone is upright in an outdoors position, as in "that scarecrow is outstanding in his field".
< 1554938642 567425 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'outstanding': Outstanding is when someone is upright in an outdoors position, as in "that scarecrow is outstanding in his field".
< 1554938716 21057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`last outstand
< 1554938717 79356 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :last: cannot open /var/log/wtmp: No such file or directory
< 1554938717 939473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1554938730 315944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1554938735 167800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat?
< 1554938757 757847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to type /last
< 1554938766 918356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1554938891 634876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd outstanding//s,that,That,
< 1554938893 348244 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :outstanding//Outstanding is when someone is upright in an outdoors position, as in "That scarecrow is outstanding in his field".
< 1554938962 702160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sedlast
< 1554938963 303381 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :files="$(lastfiles)"; sed -i "$1" "$files"
< 1554938966 624407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag | grep sedlast
< 1554938969 577699 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11491:2018-04-12 slwd shavention//s;sedlast;&/pled; \ 10243:2017-02-13 sedlast s/.$/ yet&/ \ 9834:2016-12-03 sedlast 1299s/call/hail/ \ 9515:2016-10-29 sled bin/sedlast//s/; echo.*// \ 9123:2016-09-29 sedlast s#with a pasjon#and passion fruit# \ 9013:2016-09-06 sedlast s# twh#. That would help.#;s# #, # \ 8915:2016-08-13 sedlast skur.*korrendousk \ 8914:2016-08-13
< 1554939054 322980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedlast seems to have slipped off my memory sieve
< 1554939123 762499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, through.
< 1554939255 570551 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrvbemsxjhhhlygw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1554939480 36741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that there's the $IRC_HOST variable, for uncloaked users `metar could do some geolocation to pick up a likely airport.
< 1554939553 360355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the other thing fails, that is.
< 1554939667 129133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? time machine
< 1554939668 183044 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :time machine? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554939711 46717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn time machine//A time machine is something Taneb will eventually have to invent to fix the fact that many of his inventions are older than him.
< 1554939712 953722 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'time machine': A time machine is something Taneb will eventually have to invent to fix the fact that many of his inventions are older than him.
< 1554939716 614056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` acronym IATA; acronym ICAO
< 1554939717 816016 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :insensitive altercation tannest aerobatics \ interspersing chessman Armageddon Osbert
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< 1554939789 813277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`acronym TLA
< 1554939790 616005 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :topically lousiness attendant
< 1554939816 573574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's actually the default.
< 1554939818 373207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`acronym
< 1554939819 234923 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tufting Longstreet aerated
< 1554939825 195508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1554939852 494763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` acronym TSA; acronym DHS # topical
< 1554939853 650651 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tusk Sprint annually \ decathlons hardy sneaked
< 1554939916 238588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1554939931 87324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like fungot, I think these usually aren't very good, but sometimes you get a good one. Randomness seems to be like that.
< 1554939931 172012 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's something stuck deep in my power to use on your journey. seeing that makes you lose perspective.
< 1554939946 638600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good example.
< 1554939961 18541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I generated some audio samples randomly but they seemed to consistently not be very good.
< 1554939964 42619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that about?
< 1554939966 494005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I feel like adding some more grammar: `slwd time machine//s/have to invent/have to would having had invented/' )
< 1554940053 196240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushrooms
< 1554940054 231373 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554940060 39918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, but maybe the goodness subset of the whole domain of "audio samples" in general is thinner than that of random words put together.
< 1554940061 280272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Dan Streetmentioner
< 1554940061 796624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Dan_Streetmentioner
< 1554940080 90038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: To be fair, maybe some of the samples were pretty good.
< 1554940101 128163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think that should have "wiollan" or other tenses like that then.
< 1554940101 613359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just I was generating 44100 per second and I never got enough good ones in a row.
< 1554940128 46609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 0 is a pretty good one, for instance.
< 1554940144 782315 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Quite possibly. There's a reason why I haven't actually made the change... the execution felt inferior :)
< 1554940188 943438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like "wiollan" wasn't one of them. But "wioll" and "willan" were.
< 1554940243 801513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can arrive (mayan arivan on-when) for any sitting you like without prior (late fore-when) reservation because you can book retrospectively, as it were when you return to your own time. (you can have on-book haventa forewhen presooning returningwenta retrohome.)"
< 1554940892 365893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is hard. Maybe: ... will eventually have on-invent haventa a time machine forwhen presooning inventwentaa pre-Taneb.
< 1554940906 975511 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aa -> a)
< 1554940958 411419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Douglas Adams wasn't Tolkien. Tolkien would probably have worked out an actual grammar rather than making up some patterns on the spot. :P)
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< 1554941390 258853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've almost resigned to just buying the Baba game, because of all the talk about it here.
< 1554942096 500909 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1554942138 6551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay peer pressure
< 1554942600 122520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? baba
< 1554942601 259339 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1554942615 665013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Baba is fizzie
< 1554942616 570644 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1554942633 524453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baba is just you
< 1554942670 822049 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is baba is you
< 1554942674 928130 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is everyone talking about it
< 1554942735 389729 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1554942917 3710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a videogame/esolang (but more a videogame than esolang). There's a slightly stubby article in the esolangs wiki about it though.
< 1554942964 574913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You push things around, but some of those things are the words that tell the world how to behave.
< 1554942969 187650 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1554942971 277903 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check it out
< 1554942989 755060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also very frustrating to watch other people to play it, at least for me.
< 1554943006 518110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice way of putting it. ("World, behave!")
< 1554943049 310427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like watching other people play it.
< 1554943062 900098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But admittedly that's after I played it and already know how the rules work.
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< 1554959086 679795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brexit
< 1554959087 688684 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space.
< 1554959182 998842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn_append brexit//If not enough force is available, the command will repeatedly delay itself.
< 1554959184 953681 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'brexit': brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. If not enough force is available, the command will repeatedly delay itself.
< 1554959252 685811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1554959253 687831 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1554959290 347103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn_append brexit//This command has a known bug where it will repeadly delay itself if not enough force is available.
< 1554959293 471084 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'brexit': brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. This command has a known bug where it will repeadly delay itself if not enough force is available.
< 1554959294 368866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1554959315 797621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd brexit//s,pead,peated,
< 1554959317 407443 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brexit//brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. This command has a known bug where it will repeatedly delay itself if not enough force is available.
< 1554959366 127632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd brexit//s,has a known,was recently discovered to have a,
< 1554959367 904944 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brexit//brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. This command was recently discovered to have a bug where it will repeatedly delay itself if not enough force is available.
< 1554959413 433467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :documentation is hard
< 1554959849 236736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the flip side, looks like uk may get an extra scary halloween this year
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< 1554984484 138961 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked for an olist, and didn't get that, but at least we have an
< 1554984503 423323 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2774640/shes-really-somethin/
< 1554984504 264509 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2774640/shes-really-somethin/: b_jonas
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> 1555000004 152628 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Areallycoolusername14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60982&oldid=60567 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+15) 10/* Full List of languages I Made */
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< 1555008004 800871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an excellent point... "environmental protection" is misleading terminology for what should really be called "self-preservation".
< 1555008093 303846 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00453bbfe471c8e7c6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad nash equilibrium
< 1555008556 322278 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
< 1555008579 828450 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :around here, the Sierra Club blocks transit oriented development
< 1555008594 341685 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fought to save a "historic parking garage"
< 1555008595 123813 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1555008644 528726 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to have fewer people living here (only the wealthy) but what that actually means is longer commutes, primarily by CO₂ producing cars
< 1555008670 844937 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "california environmental quality act" is largely used to preserve parking and roads
< 1555008674 198577 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree in the general case though
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< 1555011209 362594 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP bereshit
< 1555011225 341999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? bear shit?
< 1555011241 913710 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :press F
< 1555011338 347507 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the israeli moon lander. crashed into the surface at over 100 m/s
< 1555011359 706720 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. what was the planned speed?
< 1555011370 214385 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1555011379 246942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1555011380 593243 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lander"
< 1555011382 573072 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :was supposed to be a soft touchdown
< 1555011393 776232 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, tricky naming system
< 1555011424 600020 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"probe" if it is to crash, "lander" if it is to touch down
< 1555011512 646409 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impactor
< 1555011780 777437 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :F
< 1555011792 50790 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what went wrong?
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< 1555012559 287817 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.130.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is it really crashed? It seemed so joyful one moment on that stream when I looked at it
< 1555012632 420412 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.130.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hoped for pictures of the Moon in 4k or something…
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< 1555013643 122478 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: engine cut out, it lost too much altitude before they could reset
< 1555014682 854713 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? F
< 1555014683 851275 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :F? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1555016528 518681 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a certain narrative that I'd like to suggest we add to esolangs mythology.
< 1555016572 148800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one goes back to the prehistory in the seventies, when we had esolangs like Intercal.
< 1555016684 873832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there was this hacker Dennis Ritchie who made an esoteric language called C. And all the other esolangers laughed at him, saying that it wasn't an interesting esolang at all, because it didn't have any interesting restrictions, it was just a thin layer of syntax obfuscation for ordinary programming languages.
< 1555016742 517774 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They pointed him at what they considered good examples of esolangs, like Intercal which doesn't allow ordinary arithmetic, or befunge which didn't allow ordinary control flow.
< 1555016822 726755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus C fooled non-esolangers the same way, it got picked up by hackers like Ken Thompson, and the esolangers told him that the rule was that if the language is used in production then it's not an actual esolang.
< 1555016869 536536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with that excuse, they didn't allow him to create a page for C on the esolang wiki, and refused his membership application to the esolanger club, and didn't allow him into esolanger parties.
< 1555016888 432284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Dennis didn't despair, because he knew that his time would come soon and that he would have the last laugh.
< 1555016923 402233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed, more and more people were fooled by the apparent transparency of C. Hackers were using it to write real programs, because C allowed you to write code in what seems like clever ways.
< 1555016967 639415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the hackers wrote all the clever optimizations to save a few clock cycles or bytes of memory, while C allowed their program to be easier to port among different computers.
< 1555017002 805724 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the hackers didn't like writing documentation, so when other hackers started using the same clever subroutines, they didn't notice that those optimizations came with boundary conditions that made the code fail in certain circumstances.
< 1555017041 911800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they used the clever subroutines, and found them to be working when they tried the code, but when the time came to run the code with untrusted input as an internet service, the security bugs came up.
< 1555017100 66715 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by the time the hackers noticed that C encouraged those kids of clever tricks, it was too late, they were all ensnared by Dennis Ritchie's trap. They looked around and saw that all the network infrastructure and operating systems and basic tools have now been implemented in C,
< 1555017115 607507 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and riddled with obscure security bugs that are hard to debug.
< 1555017156 953106 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's not all. Eventually computers became cheap enough and got industry applications, so it was no longer only hackers who wrote code for them. Code monkeys started to write code by imitating what they saw in the hacker's programs.
< 1555017211 802332 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since all the existing programs were written in C, that's what the code monkeys wrote too. And the code monkeys weren't writing clever optimizations, they wrote code by successive approximation with a hammer and always kept the first working version rather than trying to come up with clever tricks.
< 1555017237 241864 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that didn't save their code either, for C was so cleverly designed, that even such straightforward programs will have bugs.
< 1555017303 446223 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code monkeys liked how C came with useful library functions, such as strcat to concatenate strings, but their tiny little monkey brain couldn't understand that strings need to be stored somewhere in memory in a large enough array and that they mustn't use memory after its lifetime.
< 1555017326 768409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So their code was full of buffer overflows and use after free and uninitialized pointers.
< 1555017380 218415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all the esolangers ended up in consultant jobs where they had to try to untangle the buggy programs that the code monkeys wrote, and teach them good programming practice, each of which was hopeless because the companies insisted on using C because it was the industry standard,
< 1555017398 913280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the while the esolangers couldn't even trust their own tools, because they too were written in C and had bugs.
< 1555017441 146399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when the day of judgement comes, Dennis Ritchie will arise from his grave and hold trial over all the esolangers who doubted his language and didn't allow him in esolanger circles,
< 1555017557 546535 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they will be forced to recant their views in ironic ways. The esolangers who made esoteric languages with bounded tape size and bignum cells will now have to spend double exponential time in purgatory to cleanse their soul in a horribly slow [-] loop where they have to recant not only their own insulting statements towards Ritchie,
< 1555017621 137526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also all other possible insulting statements not longer than that. The people who invented two-dimensional esolangs will lose their sanity and will run around without end in a tight loop of four cells.
< 1555017677 329968 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only the esolangers pure in heart will be spared, the likes of Arthur Whitney who helped Ritchie's scheme of getting esoteric languages into production.
< 1555017704 167026 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you suppose we could adopt this as an offical creation myth of esolangs?
< 1555017909 234710 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxurgzvcsdvlhxid JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1555019016 639409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dmr
< 1555019017 769756 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmr? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555019020 542781 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? C
< 1555019021 574080 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault
< 1555019027 796375 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? F
< 1555019028 804611 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :F? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555019068 917523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`acronym dmr
< 1555019069 791655 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :devalued Mozambicans Rama
< 1555019572 928846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Tanebventions
< 1555019574 43621 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1555019578 585328 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: food
< 1555019579 628326 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, nutella, and cognac.
< 1555019582 156864 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math
< 1555019583 260306 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, linear logic, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
< 1555019722 150371 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00453bbfe471c8e7c6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1555020311 602188 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric
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< 1555021033 446465 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :T-18m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojvu2u28CIY
< 1555021254 951195 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're live now
< 1555021565 676602 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream is crapping out :( :( :(
< 1555021612 6691 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXMGu2d8c8g
< 1555021682 536406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that says something about the Falcon heavy rocket
< 1555021751 579727 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes?
< 1555021792 534816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the lander already crashed, how is it that they're launching the rockets only now? is Taneb's time machine involved?
< 1555021805 79377 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two space things are happening today
< 1555021807 948617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by all this space news
< 1555021808 872183 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not related
< 1555021825 838377 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I think time machines may be involved
< 1555021839 85764 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. one is the telescope that photographs a black hole, the other is the lander
< 1555021843 37344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's two
< 1555021853 734701 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiight
< 1555021854 901874 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right! the black hole is the time machine
< 1555022124 526768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chronocycle
< 1555022125 587748 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :chronocycle? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555022151 808148 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 4-2
< 1555022152 823384 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-2? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555022790 595946 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they landed all 3 first stages :D
< 1555022844 227023 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1555023098 115274 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there are once again the same number of M:tG planeswalker cards for Jace and Chandra. Chandra was in the lead for a short while, which seemed really odd to me, but they rectified that in the latest expansion.
< 1555023376 250444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're even tied with Liliana and Ajani now. that's weird.
< 1555023649 3869 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-164.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1555024423 975750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555024902 111763 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1555024902 378619 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1555024902 508034 :trn!~trn@prone.ws QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1555024945 58867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : RIP bereshit <-- i feel like making a bad joke about it having its own idea about where the border between space and moon was
< 1555025183 679292 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555025192 487435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i should connect it to brexit, i guess.
< 1555025218 389190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... cutting the engine in free fall?
< 1555025249 680071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Hrm. This program was clearly buggy. Why, then, did it produce correct results? Sigh. )
< 1555025276 2224 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555025276 43589 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1555025333 249259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: two off-by-one bugs in opposite directions hth
< 1555025375 82007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An off-by-zero bug.
< 1555025395 150794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp off.by
< 1555025396 662397 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by two:An off by two error is what happens when you expect an off by one error but compensate in the wrong direction. \ off by two error:An off by two error is what happens when you expect an off by one error but compensate in the wrong direction. \ seventh day adventism:Seventh Day Adventism is an attempt to bugfix an off-by-one error in Anabaptism
< 1555025412 20679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that's too simple. I'm computing https://oeis.org/A174094 and the maybe-not-but-why bug is in decomposing the enumeration into independent subproblems.
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< 1555025956 158485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you suppose we could adopt this as an offical creation myth of esolangs? <-- no hth
< 1555026002 467073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read all of it, but enough to dislike it.
< 1555026981 168401 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.130.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1555028122 180857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it turns out to be not-a-bug, but a pretty subtle one. (You can call it a "clever optimization" instead... except I'm pretty sure I didn't justify it when I wrote the code.)
< 1555028532 523205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1555028571 743823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you baba yet twh
< 1555028644 673141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( bug is you )
< 1555028692 170829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you solve that one level with the bugs blocking the exits and the belts?
< 1555028698 699617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then that one other level.
< 1555028700 701219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you did.
< 1555028713 231279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i seem to have completely accidentally (except for ignoring *three* attempts by the server to reject my post) indirectly caused the yafgc comic author to go ballistic over a (nearly certain) troll. admittedly he was ripe for it...
< 1555028731 591965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details but I liked the second one.
< 1555028735 190937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have 220 levels solved, but does that answer the question?
< 1555028759 948251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already knew the answer because you have all the flowers.
< 1555028764 908974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that all the levels?
< 1555028787 240119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta get back to this game. I only have gjb beof.
< 1555028821 426965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... that is tricky.
< 1555028845 863556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what I would have done without the aforementioned spoiler in the changelog.)
< 1555028862 920416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have a flower for meta :/
< 1555028883 761854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspect that's my missing achievement.
< 1555028920 391317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what you're missing there?
< 1555028963 833967 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :After digging into data files, I think there's one level that ought to be marked as finished but wasn't.
< 1555029020 458553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not sure which spoiler you're talking about.
< 1555029090 599625 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in the March 18th news.
< 1555029108 829543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1555029111 836033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1555029254 4193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have tried to do that thing in the past, in ???
< 1555029264 810131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it's a different thing.
< 1555029279 482803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it again next time I run it.
< 1555029525 81618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Steam is so bad.
< 1555029613 897891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean ?
< 1555029696 473168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no.
< 1555030318 524328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're in the right place though.
< 1555030388 256470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: V guvax vg qbrfa'g pbhag vs lbh pbyyrpg gurz fvzhygnarbhfyl, naq lbh znl fgvyy unir gb jva gur yriry nsgrejneqf. Ohg V'z abg fher jung gur cerpvfr pbaqvgvbaf ner.
< 1555030445 276161 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555030484 499058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I was trying to figure out what was going on and I read one spoiler too many apparently. :-(
< 1555030498 543731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I found the hidden level in Meta.
< 1555030499 237995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. By now I've messed up my first savegame and I'm not inclined to start from scratch. And I don't know whether I'm missing a trick or whether I'm encountering a bug. The history of bugs in the game is not reassuring.
< 1555030509 383719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the name of the level doesn't make me feel great, either.
< 1555030515 505913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh is there a hidden level?
< 1555030521 759665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm missing that...
< 1555030538 15581 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555030557 715456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "n cevmr jryy rnearq"
< 1555030562 163946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironic.
< 1555030562 256888 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, meta.
< 1555030570 336174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I would've thought to look there.
< 1555030647 873218 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm mm.
< 1555030702 63404 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1555030702 146295 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1555030731 175861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I can confirm that I'm missing that one.
< 1555030906 979206 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. Yeah I don't think I would've found that one, ever. Now to get there...
< 1555031042 492196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting there is easy if you've won the level.
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< 1555031618 253645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, gur jngre pna nyfb or n yriry
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< 1555032448 143092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmpf now I have sbhe obav.
< 1555032488 184758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still no flower for meta.
< 1555032779 812432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I'm missing 'nabgure jnl' as well.
< 1555034241 15405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. That did it. Final achievement achieved.
< 1555034260 69224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I make it 222 levels.
< 1555034342 531264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to delete this time sink. :/
< 1555034401 317761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I closed it but I think I'm at 212 or so.
< 1555034420 192860 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be 223 now because of a new level added in the latest update.
< 1555034424 630921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are obav distinct from beof?
< 1555034458 927325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can do beo vf obahf and also x is obahf for other xs, but it didn't seem to do much.
< 1555034459 733608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just using the adjective rather than the noun.
< 1555034519 129470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/vf/
< 1555034527 636563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's all gone, including the savegame so I won't be tempted to quickly reinstall and check stuff.
< 1555034534 483850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no
< 1555034560 428539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 hours!
< 1555034748 872970 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are two hidden levels in meta, and I missed them both.
< 1555034894 301740 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
> 1555035178 32765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60983&oldid=56293 5* 03Tastyfish 5* (+17) 10Add Brainfuck++ to Files
> 1555037212 379427 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60984&oldid=60979 5* 03Void 5* (+105) 10/* Hierarchical resource models: intent vs transfer */
< 1555037349 728373 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read "Brainfuck existentialism"
< 1555037356 595795 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like my kind of party
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< 1555041601 924041 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine
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< 1555049515 453392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, bad monster!
< 1555049574 890622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
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< 1555058274 963637 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bmk do you have a gopher?
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< 1555088968 958772 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'oh hey, j-bot is on again!'
< 1555088969 619795 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh hey, j-bot is on again!
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< 1555091281 387087 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Country roads, lets-a-goooo, its-a-meee, Marioooo! Mushroom Kingdom, Bowser Koopa! Let's-a-gooo, Mario!
< 1555091430 902063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day I needed a font and it seemed impossible to get a simple bitmap to fontificate from.
< 1555091842 706660 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fontificate?
< 1555091907 705627 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fontificate.samlecuyer.com/
< 1555091927 410761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put some text on the screen.
< 1555092429 178080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that helps
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< 1555094187 763149 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning all <3
< 1555094202 640190 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a park trying to pick up amateur radio from the international space station
< 1555094322 995962 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far no luck
< 1555094768 496291 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: on which continent are you?
< 1555094790 175990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what frequency of radio waves is this you're trying to pick up
< 1555094904 791879 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhey
< 1555094908 156455 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
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< 1555096089 595224 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: north america. san francisco
< 1555096140 602435 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's on 145.800 MHz, 2m ham band. FM modulated SSTV tones
< 1555096247 654477 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1555096265 158120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still midday there, so that makes it worse
< 1555096800 266211 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1555096973 680094 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I think, but you're the HAM guy
< 1555097547 897258 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? horned frog
< 1555097548 956538 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :horned frog? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555097938 976225 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I wait I'm scanning some rail frequencies on my HT :)
< 1555097943 751281 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HT = handheld ham radio)
< 1555097954 850373 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAM is not an acronym :P
< 1555097971 519865 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I'm not sure how the day/night cycle affects VHF
< 1555097975 453803 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on HF it depends on the band
< 1555097984 573462 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :20m is better in the day, 40m is better at night
< 1555097994 82897 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because they mainly work by bouncing off the ionosphere
< 1555098009 351935 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHF doesn't for the most part, although there are sporadic events where it does, and in that case you can get much longer range
< 1555098029 742388 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the most part VHF is a local/regional thing, and depends on line of sight. that's why repeaters installed on mountain tops are so widely used on VHF
< 1555098170 118477 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what? isn't it waves much longer than that that bounce off the ionosphere?
< 1555098317 609043 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HF refers to 160m through 10m
< 1555098321 85174 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as "shortwave"
< 1555098331 857337 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said 40m, sorry
< 1555098355 236305 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for VHF it would depend on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporadic_E_propagation
< 1555098377 54963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then
< 1555098386 101481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
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< 1555098415 979410 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-65.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I just assumed every radiowave comms was easier during the night, but I see that's too much of a simplification
< 1555098657 488785 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
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< 1555100450 835616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if you can pick anything up off M87
< 1555100456 758095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's easier than they say
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> 1555116907 901378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lucas 5* 10New user account
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< 1555119756 83021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
> 1555119756 623351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60985&oldid=60957 5* 03A 5* (-101) 10Simplify Syntax
> 1555119800 279328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Teg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60986&oldid=60985 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */
< 1555120910 783309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now instead of POSTPIPE, I decided to put POSTQUIT. Still the purpose is what I mentioned before, which is for convenience of users who do not use specialized NNTP software.
< 1555125911 978647 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555126284 930340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they added a "socketvfs" extension for SQLite. The socketvfs protocol is: When connected, server sends the file size as a big-endian 64-bit integer. Client requests data by sending two big-endian 64-bit integers being the offset and length, and then the server returns the data. You could use with stuff other than SQLite too, I suppose.
< 1555126384 239522 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the use cases?
< 1555126404 397422 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice simple protocol.
< 1555126516 600899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nobody knows how much space should be reserved for name. So, calling openpty() or forkpty() with non-NULL name may not be secure."
< 1555126527 5194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thopenpty
< 1555126538 336188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell currently it is only used in a SQLite extension that is not included by default; I suppose it can be one way to log what parts of a file are accessed. There may be other use too.
< 1555126542 891179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not merely unknown, but unknowable
< 1555126579 491250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is anything ever big-endian nowadays? Isn't it just the worst of the endians?
< 1555126585 205218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than PDP-11-endian, of course.
< 1555126728 652296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Perhaps use a #define command to define how much space is needed for the name, if your program cares about the name. Then determine what is needed on your computer before compiling it. But you can also try to write the program to avoid needing the name if it doesn't need it.
< 1555126754 441419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just not ask for the name.
< 1555126783 850768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, if possible, that is what you should do; don't ask for the name.
< 1555126833 489095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it uses big-endian. I think small-endian is generally better; but, many things use big-endian too, and still you can work with small-endian and big-endian and PDP-endian, even if it is not the native endian of the system.
< 1555127007 677557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
< 1555127089 195666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a C program that can both be run as a script (#!/bin/run-as-c or something) and compiled as C.
< 1555127092 410961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIX uses big-endian, Glulx uses big-endian, Z-machine code mostly uses big-endian (there is an option for small-endian in version 3 Z-code (ZIP), but this was never used and is rarely implemented), etc
< 1555127093 888473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is such a thing possible?
< 1555127117 109936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think #! is not a valid command in C.
< 1555127134 902545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if any C compiler will accept and ignore it as an extension, though.)
< 1555127139 651370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's correct.
< 1555127146 905566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcc will accept #!/usr/bin/tcc -run
< 1555127184 951028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it doesn't support many other things.
< 1555127310 741038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell the people who maintain GCC and clang to accept and ignore the first line with #! if GNU extensions are enabled (it could be implemented by the preprocessor replacing that line with a blank line if it comes first in the file). And then you can write your own program which is interpreting the C code and also does that if #! is on the first line.
< 1555127457 838895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do that.
< 1555127467 154759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I need to do that, then it sounds like the answer is that it's not possible.
< 1555127508 420954 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably simpler to write a wrapper that would just compile on demand to a temp file and then execute it.
< 1555127531 76107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could also make the change to GCC by yourself, but then it won't work if distributed to someone who is not using your (unofficial) version of GCC, of course.)
< 1555127678 87863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How does that solve the problem?
< 1555127692 935114 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, but I am tired enough to pretend it does.
< 1555127740 331087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I was planning to write a wrapper anyway. But half of the problem is that I want to be able to compile the file as regular C.
< 1555127815 268221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do if you require to type bash and the filename, so that bash will interpret it. (I do this with many of my own C programs.)
> 1555127850 42994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60987&oldid=60950 5* 03Lucas 5* (+315) 10Hello world! Lucas, cest moi.
< 1555127970 756092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to be able to put it in my PATH or something.
< 1555128048 699538 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably sleep
< 1555128979 481165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this
< 1555128980 524931 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though.
< 1555129035 122253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? that
< 1555129036 130544 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555129082 625515 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1555129280 436720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like POSTQUIT command?
< 1555129545 367945 :user24!~one@p200300C3AF055D86E0168FB3F15883EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a shitty map of the wiki: https://i.imgur.com/yWT0UCz.png
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< 1555131594 276938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't clicking on that.
< 1555134741 360665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confusil.
< 1555134759 874261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb is saying the current instruction is "mulss 0x3b4a(%rip),%xmm0"
< 1555134789 610766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p *(float *)(0x3b4a+$rip) prints a value which is probably nonsense but at least it's a value.
< 1555134800 909941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But si causes SIGSEGV
< 1555134869 970884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, this compiler (tcc) doesn't support PIC at all.
< 1555134891 700413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that explains this thing not working. But I still don't get what's going on with this specific instruction causing SEGV.
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< 1555136326 197790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use INCH $2,#FFF0 in MMIX to make half of a floating number that is known to be greater than 2^-1021. Similar thing may be possible with other instruction sets too.
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< 1555152394 328948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf It doesn't explain the SIGSEGV, but it's quite possible that 0x3b4a(%rip) and (0x3b4a+$rip) refer to different memory addresses.
< 1555152394 410398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1555152397 330507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf Because the instruction's rip-relative addressing mode is in terms of an offset from the *next* instruction, but gdb's $rip is probably the current instruction.
< 1555152397 380199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1555152485 703207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's true.
< 1555152495 179001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-ouch
< 1555152495 219758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1555152503 517139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too far
< 1555152517 780787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's pretty unlikely that was on a page boundary.
< 1555152562 627656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't dmesg contain the actual fault address for segfaults
< 1555152684 682882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it does.
< 1555152689 390028 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and alignment is another venue to investigate...)
< 1555152711 209675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault at 7f57c20d5240
< 1555152739 731382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, alignment is out :)
< 1555152752 719722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual address, given by gdb adding the offset from the right instruction, is 7ffff5388240
< 1555152765 265619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, presumably this one is the non-actual address.
< 1555152787 288936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how one turns into the other.
< 1555152798 985831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gdb disassembly even says: mulss 0x3b4a(%rip),%xmm0 # 0x7ffff5388240
< 1555152859 720595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm last 12 bits are the same... oh are you sure that what you're seeing is for the current layout, not from a previous run?
< 1555152897 365405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm breaking at the instruction before it and looking at the value.
< 1555152903 338002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, I guess that doesn't tell me anything about dmesg.
< 1555152970 45357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess that dmesg log was from another run.
< 1555152980 855490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have thought to look there. How does it decide which segfault to log?
< 1555153011 605434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't log it when it's in gdb.
< 1555153046 14962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's probably the right address.
< 1555153090 514200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault at 7f34ec91f240 ip 00007f34ec91b6ee sp 00007fff25491f30 error 4 in libredacted.so[7f34ec914000+9000]
< 1555153111 483513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( nice library name )
< 1555153142 753159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway there's no reason to expect this program to work since the compiler doesn't support PIC.
< 1555153145 430687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the command for looking at memory maps? info memory?
< 1555153149 687963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm confusil about the SEGV.
< 1555153169 883624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked cat /proc/pid/maps before. I think it looked OK?
< 1555153187 195228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/proc//maps is always an option, but it feels wrong when you're already in gdb :) )
< 1555153223 933835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but figuring out how to make gdb do the thing I want feels wrong too.
< 1555153262 236992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is "info proc mappings"
< 1555153265 181715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :info proc mappings <-- hmm. I thought there was something better
< 1555153330 387945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway that address is in the .so mapping, as expected (?)
< 1555153477 96101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never thought "given a specific instruction, in a debugger, figure out why it's causing a SEGV" is a hard problem.
< 1555153530 467857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be some weird thing about addressing modes?
< 1555153544 942854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's something really obvious I'm missing.
< 1555153605 769678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sometimes it's about the instruction fetch itself, but that doesn't sound likely either.
< 1555153627 874978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The error code would be different then.
< 1555153709 588381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe another debugger can tell me more.
< 1555153736 976646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...By default, because I'm sure gdb knows but I don't know how to ask it.
< 1555153743 3468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lldb: * thread #1, name = 'redacted', stop reason = signal SIGSEGV: address access protected (fault address: 0x7ffff5388240)
< 1555153771 394814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But p *(float *)0x7ffff5388240 prints 0.
< 1555153827 70440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be clear, the value at that address should not be 0.
< 1555153840 527181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not expecting this to work. I just want to know what's going on!
< 1555153913 389423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had gdb confused about what mode (64-bit vs. compatibility mode) it's disassembling vs. running, but that shouldn't happen in the normal case.
< 1555153941 707391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In any case presumably the "fault address" is coming from the system, not from trying to work it out from the instruction.)
< 1555154195 45201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/arch/x86/include/asm/traps.h#L167-L174 is harder to find than it should be.
< 1555154260 741432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: anyway, your error code was 4, indicating an absent page for an ordinary user mode read.
< 1555154283 567187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it be absent?
< 1555154300 562943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... that is the puzzle, isn't it.
< 1555154376 938281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Maybe you're in luck and it turns out to be a processor bug! ;-) )
< 1555154487 637571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. These addresses look very plausible for rip-relative addressing, and I trust you've verified that 7f34ec91f240 is actually in the mapped range of libredacted.so.
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< 1555154532 503017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not redacted for any good reason, by the way.
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< 1555154536 467560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I wonder how an execute-only map manifests.
< 1555154556 804853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'd expect that to have the PROT bit set in the error code.
< 1555154561 631719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that cause the PROT flag to be set or is that only for kernel mode pages?
< 1555154570 739004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get to try. :)
< 1555154632 577071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, wait
< 1555154636 869408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7ffff5386000-7ffff5585000 ---p 00009000 103:07 8931950
< 1555154642 366484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sure I checked for this before.
< 1555154646 437055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must've looked at the wrong address.
< 1555154835 982896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e++ solves the mystery
< 1555154897 863280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why dlopen is mprotecting that to PROT_NONE but at least that's a run-of-the-mill thing I don't know.
< 1555154897 946374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( comparisons are hard )
< 1555154943 494340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I expected p *(T *)addr to behave the same as examining the addr from the debugee, too.
< 1555154955 661745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can have arbitrary expressions as arguments to p.
< 1555154956 816783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION momentarily thought the address was out of range. But yeah, it wasn't.
< 1555154991 890058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whereas I'd expect x to just look at the memory regardless of protection.)
< 1555155631 280139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess the reason is that ptrace's PTRACE_PEEK_* operation have no way of signalling an error (since a memory location may well contain -1)
< 1555155679 787935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That interface is pretty bad. :)
< 1555155809 727540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the glibc wrapper around it is pretty bad?
< 1555155837 860236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Linux system call returns the value in *data, and returns an error code as the return value.
< 1555155878 607508 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFORMING TO
< 1555155878 682494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : SVr4, 4.3BSD.
< 1555155890 761705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of room to shift the blame :)
< 1555155898 411222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then libc wraps it with the ridiculous thing where you're supposed to write { errno = 0; value = ptrace(PTRACE_PEEKDATA, ...); if (errno != 0) ...; else ...; }
< 1555155916 759887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good point. I do like how portable my programs using ptrace are.
< 1555155953 48658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do like the fact that gdb works.
< 1555155970 84850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works because it's been ported to each system that it works on.
< 1555155973 296565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I get your point :)
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< 1555156302 731417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it great how the Linux ABI is way more stable than the libc ABI?
< 1555156409 280208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd much rather write programs to use the Linux ABI.
< 1555156414 900626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately you have to use the other one.
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< 1555171837 877599 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow... git version 1.8.3.1 ... that is quite outdated :)
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< 1555178203 12890 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, no o yet
< 1555178553 52727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hehe. so the proper method is to call it with name set to nullptr, and then call ttyname on the slave to find out the name?
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< 1555182898 994967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` \? $(starwars)
< 1555182900 793720 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth Plagueis? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555182914 91359 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for c in {0..9}; do \? $(starwars); done
< 1555182920 5736 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Sarlacc? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Moff Jerjerrod? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Lor San Tekka? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Jango Fett? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Count Dooku? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Bail Organa? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Beru Lars? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Qui-Gon Jinn? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Bail Organa? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ Kylo Ren? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555185042 176898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I guess?
< 1555185626 948809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555185946 1463 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555186581 552298 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1555187780 343477 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555188000 634989 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1555189264 581198 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list
< 1555189267 909023 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mspalist
< 1555189269 796047 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercäh rdocöc quintopïa Zarutiän jeffl3̈5 BlueProtomän fizzïe hppavilion[1̈] Phantom_Hoovër int-̈e b_jonäs boil̈y a`a`a`a`jo7äs a`a`a`a`jo8äs a`a`a`a`jo3äs a`a`a`a`jo6äs a`a`a`a`jo5äs a`a`a`a`jo4äs a`a`a`a`jo2äs a`a`a`a`jo1äs a`a`a`a`jonas̈0 a`a`a`̈a lambdaböt chicken_jonäs mynam̈e
< 1555189270 163637 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mspalist: not found
< 1555189280 947444 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Homestuck list?
< 1555189298 627573 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1555189299 700323 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome \ 04w08e09l11c12o13m04e \ \ \ \ echo \ ! \ " \ # \ ' \ ( \ * \ ,1 \ ,2 \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ \ ? \ ?? \ ?h \ ?hh \ @ \ CaT \ CoInS \ Eternity \ FireFlist \ No \ ReLcOmE \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ Welcome \ ^.^ \ ` \ `^ \ `` \ `̀ \ aaaaaaaaa \ acronym \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ a
< 1555189355 33771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't think there's one yet, but I'm not sure
< 1555189365 68427 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` set -e; cd bin; echo *list
< 1555189365 929410 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFlist aglist bardsworthlist bobadventureslist calesyta2016list danddreclist don'taskdon'ttelllist dontaskdonttelllist ehlist emptylist erflist flist idealist ioccclist keenlist list listlist llist makelist makelistlist minimalist mlist olist pbflist slist smlist stylist testlist wrlist xkcdwhatiflist ysaclist
< 1555189372 648752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the first list.
< 1555189381 323774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be called `list.
< 1555189394 619505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I renamed it to slist.
< 1555189400 676066 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist
< 1555189401 450759 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd nvd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1555189417 78431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list of Tanebs
< 1555189530 712334 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone want a referral code on booking.com ?
< 1555189610 554499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read books. Is that considered booking?
< 1555189665 860793 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this one is for hotels and other shelter. English is confusing.
< 1555189781 974527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I read books in hotels and other shelter.
< 1555189826 833621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is good
< 1555190383 994976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lists
< 1555190384 602653 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: lists: not found
< 1555190392 932505 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help!
< 1555190393 19894 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: captain! our dreams are finally coming true! you were so busy with your own yet. look for a long time, i'm going! you came back. come in.
< 1555191048 322005 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1555191100 944612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Bought Baba.
< 1555191183 568791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has fallen
< 1555191260 91955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I won't get stuck playing it a lot.
< 1555191332 350973 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1555191332 434203 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7* fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
< 1555191879 98845 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555192312 31355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a program for PC using HLT for timing. But, if you use that then in addition to the timer, it is also triggered by pushing keys, and by moving the mouse within the DOSBOX window.
< 1555192369 285311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the mouse interrupt be disabled so that it doesn't do that?
< 1555193064 935207 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck
< 1555193065 18430 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673)
< 1555193080 487878 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, there is a Homestuck update for the first time in almost 3 years
< 1555193080 589586 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? forget it. go me
< 1555193420 200135 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist
< 1555193421 210782 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
< 1555193425 380070 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1555193432 714184 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just didn't see that because there were no updates?
< 1555193478 867983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was called `list too? that makes the current `list even more tricky
< 1555193511 752430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doat bin/list
< 1555193513 284766 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1466:2013-01-12 echo "echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora" > bin/list \ 1467:2013-01-12 chmod a+x bin/list \ 1470:2013-01-12 echo shachaf >> bin/list \ 1471:2013-01-12 sed -i s/shachaf// bin/list \ 1472:2013-01-12 sed -i \'s/Fiora/Fiora shachaf/\' bin/list # fixed \ 1473:2013-01-12 sed -i s/shachaf// bin/list \ 1474:2013-01-12 revert \ 1475:2013-01-12 sed -i s/shachaf// bin/li
< 1555193571 264620 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, there is an update
< 1555193572 593843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 doat bin/list
< 1555193574 651927 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/18:n/list \ 1487:2013-01-12 sed -i \'1s/$/shachaf nortti/\' bin/list \ 1488:2013-01-12 rm bin/list \ 1498:2013-01-12 echo \'echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti\' > bin/list \ 1499:2013-01-12 echo " elliot" >> bin/list \ 1500:2013-01-12 sed -i \'2d;1s/$/ elliott/\' bin/list \ 1501:2013-01-12 revert \ 1502:2013-01-12 sed -i 2d bin/list \ 1503:2013-01-12 echo \'echo Taneb
< 1555193581 687599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a good joke, adding me repeatedly to a list I don't want to be on.
< 1555193587 510510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top tier humor from the past.
> 1555193605 495566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lucas/common.js14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60995 5* 03Lucas 5* (+102) 10Using [[MetaWikipedia:User:LLarson/global.js|my Wikimedia scriptrepository]]
< 1555193614 713986 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't recall using those dot things in my name
< 1555193618 389064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1555193692 263638 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll assume something's buggy. In the script or in the logs?
< 1555193770 786893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in the log script.
< 1555193776 223444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two bugs that cancel out.
< 1555193878 194952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "dot things" you mean the diacritics, that's just an anti-ping defense.
< 1555193992 707259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's part of bin/hlnp, presumably for "no ping".)
< 1555194971 230661 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D86E0168FB3F15883EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1555194983 187170 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D86E0168FB3F15883EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555195593 770685 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0085809f1b0b848a46.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1555196463 339768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555197336 141551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the new NNTP software that I am writing?
< 1555197683 29891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hlnp
< 1555197684 57636 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlnp? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555197689 997518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hlnp
< 1555197690 617072 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' /hackenv/share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[ sed -i \'2s/$/./\' wisdom/indexed\\ monad \ 3150:2013-06-17 echo \'Indexed monads are just monads on an indexed category\' >> wisdom/\'indexed monad\' \ 3149:2013-06-17 mv \'indexed monad\' wisdom/
< 1555201199 261101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone looking at that `dowg won't know why the lines were swapped :P
< 1555201228 240781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg cello
< 1555201229 779794 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10976:2017-05-31 slwd cello//s,$,\x0f, \ 10798:2017-04-22 slwd cello//s,stu,stru, \ 3511:2013-08-28 tail -1 wisdom/cello > q; mv q wisdom/cello \ 2879:2013-05-07 echo \'The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.\' | rainwords > wisdom/cello
< 1555201253 978785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed that one in 3511
< 1555201278 551401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg doodads
< 1555201280 182933 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3624:2013-09-03 rm wisdom/doodads \ 2418:2013-03-12 revert 2416 \ 2417:2013-03-12 revert 2243 \ 2276:2013-02-27 ln -s doodad wisdom/doodads
< 1555201327 269229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grwp -l '^$'
< 1555201329 119543 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nak \ output
< 1555201437 570244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg gazpacho
< 1555201439 202173 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5694:2015-06-24 ` sed -i \'s/ / /\' wisdom/gazpacho # hth \ 1715:2013-01-24 revert 1713 \ 1714:2013-01-24 cd wisdom; mv ngevd ..; sed -i \'s/dahl/dal/g\' * ; mv ../ngevd . \ 1706:2013-01-24 rm wisdom/gazpacho && ln -s gaspacho wisdom/gazpacho \ 667:2012-08-21 run echo "You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off!" >wisdom/gazpacho
< 1555201469 165626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 5693 wisdom/gazpacho
< 1555201470 343595 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off!
< 1555201515 979059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait what happened with those were that they were symbolic links
< 1555201527 197305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was
< 1555201590 161719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazpacho
< 1555201591 321650 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off!
< 1555201594 373211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gaspacho
< 1555201595 446227 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You like Gaspacho and I like Gazpacho. Let's call the whole thing off!
< 1555201605 247826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're no longer equal anyway
< 1555201631 905941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg piet
< 1555201633 488024 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :9964:2016-12-15 slwd piet//s/..$/\x0f./ \ 9963:2016-12-15 slwd piet//s/$/\x0f/ \ 9957:2016-12-12 slwd piet//s#or#our# \ 5590:2015-06-16 ` tail -n1 wisdom/piet > /tmp/$$; mv /tmp/$$ wisdom/piet \ 2965:2013-05-28 echo "Piet is a really colorful programming language." | rainwords > wisdom/piet \ 2964:2013-05-28 echo "Piet is a really colorful programming language." | colorize > wisdom/piet
< 1555201657 228786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :5590 shachaf fixed that one
< 1555201682 998925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway...
< 1555201749 929365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled share/scowrevs//s,3341,3342,
< 1555201751 791424 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :share/scowrevs//121:122 \ 194:196 \ 770:771 \ 1000:1001 \ 1493:1497 \ 2112:2114 \ 3342:3343 \ 4530:4531 \ 5136:5137 \ 5642:5643 \ 5894:5897 \ 8669:8678 \ 9070:9071 \ 9074:9075
< 1555201784 925089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how we got two different lystrosaur* entries too
< 1555201821 613149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? lystrosaur; \? lystrosaurus
< 1555201823 177067 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic. \ Lystrosaurus is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which ruled the world around 250 million years ago.
< 1555201934 471269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp qdbformat
< 1555201935 526039 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555201958 589202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat
< 1555201959 614490 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555201965 436203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbfmt
< 1555201966 430341 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbfmt? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555201982 67110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbrules
< 1555201983 74218 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbrules? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555201989 380975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quoteformat
< 1555201990 459806 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoteformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two.
< 1555202008 291056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok two of them were later deleted and the last one changed
< 1555202205 654679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's that tail business about?
< 1555202241 656313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's going on there.
< 1555202450 12004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rev 3341 swapped the lines in all wisdoms, which did very little for most of them, except accidentally turning some symlinks into files. the tail business fixed some of the remaining swaps.
< 1555202508 667827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :8669-8678 looks like me enforcing some spacing rules on wisdom, and then changing my mind...
< 1555202554 624124 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1555202584 460076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 5589 wisdom/piet
< 1555202585 490876 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ 6Piet 4is 7a 8really 9colorful 2programming 13language.
< 1555202678 439397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well the rest looks reasonable.
< 1555202908 654163 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I have some edits too when I added newlines to various wisdoms
< 1555202922 231529 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly to ones that I created
< 1555202930 96650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rules of wisdom
< 1555202931 127530 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless essential for the entry‘s humor, they should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation
< 1555202932 674757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Godel,Escher,Bach defines consistency of a system together with interpretation on page 94, that all theorems when interpreted are true statements. But on page 223 it says it is consistent if it does not have both x and ~x being theorems. OK, although that is the consistency of the system and interpretation together. I wanted to consider consistency of only the system itself, as the existence of well-formed nontheorems.
< 1555202996 442027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A system that does not have any well-formed strings is therefore inconsistent according to my definition.) What do you think?
< 1555203572 612053 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1555208234 510588 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Note that consistency is something which doesn't care about interpretation
< 1555208301 895665 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Whether any given sentence is a theorem is a property of the rules of the system itself
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< 1555208645 824929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia article on consistency briefly mentions that this is called "absolute consistency" or "Post consistency" (most of it only seems to consider classical logic, though.)
< 1555208772 548093 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1555208823 707720 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused. "as the existence of well-formed nontheorems" -> "as well as the existence of well-formed nontheorems"
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< 1555210569 8552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, my definition is "absolute consistency" or "Post consistency". I looked it up in Wikipedia now. (Simple consistency seems to be what they said about x and ~x are not both theorems, but that is only applicable to systems that have a negation operator, so it is not independent.)
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< 1555213245 719732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any program like Heirloom-mailx but for netnews?
< 1555214567 186307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: linear logic has a negation operator, but i still think it doesn't satisfy x, ~x |- a or perhaps even !x, !(~x) |- a
< 1555214614 906477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it splits the false used for ~x = x -o _|_ from the false that implies everything 0 |- a
< 1555216061 732111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know about linear logic, so OK.
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< 1555223062 62367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why GCC doesn't seems to optimize x+strlen(x) so well?
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> 1555231800 843740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61012&oldid=61008 5* 03A 5* (+73) 10Infinite loop implementation
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> 1555236808 529777 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61013&oldid=61000 5* 03A 5* (+541) 10Undo revision 61000 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]])
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< 1555273776 111122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? modem
< 1555273777 730855 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :modem? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555273934 938819 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1555274186 692207 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555274413 979657 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1555274758 718797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I believe I implemented all of the NNTP stuff except posting articles. That is a bit more difficult because it has to parse the headers to figure out what to do with it.
< 1555275045 280130 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555275071 706153 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1555275149 547584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I have this feeling that zzo38 is connecting through a time machine, from 20 years ago. )
< 1555275182 942495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think that is difficult.
< 1555275314 116008 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's very easy to imagine that. Trust me on that :)
< 1555275394 64753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To imagine, yes, but I mean it is difficult to connect through a time machine, from twenty years ago, especially if I will still reply to your message too.
< 1555275550 997447 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555275801 779536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm connecting through a time machine too, but only from ten years ago or so
< 1555275886 832742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am also referring to RFC 3977 in order to implement this program, and it isn't twenty years old.)
< 1555275891 107914 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1555275918 207371 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555276148 268307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it is using SQLite, which isn't twenty years old, either.)
< 1555276489 559000 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wonamfqexpsswqah QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1555279178 643882 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0021ef4a3ffdd23854.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1555279775 674150 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? peanuts
< 1555279776 798068 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :peanuts? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555279914 184460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? snakes
< 1555279915 353480 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakes? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555279922 548865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bats
< 1555279925 262218 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bats? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555280089 144080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vermin
< 1555280090 226742 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vermin? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555280675 951557 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1555280819 268689 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa`
< 1555280820 688867 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~
< 1555281067 77513 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1555281166 348508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cherry
< 1555281167 534151 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cherry? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555281437 321424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wn fruit -treen | tr ',' '\n' | sed -e 's|^ *\(=> \)\?||;/^$/d' | sort | uniq | while read f; do if [[ -e "wisdom/$f" ]]; then echo $f; fi; done
< 1555281438 489491 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ananas \ apple \ banana \ coffee \ lemon \ melon \ pineapple
< 1555281512 411010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there going to be version 7 of Internet?
< 1555281571 382983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There definitely won't be a version 7 of the IP protocol, because that number is taken.
< 1555281574 394492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.iana.org/assignments/version-numbers/version-numbers.xhtml
< 1555281714 496695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RFC6814 is quoted for version 7 because it obsoletes RFC1475, which defined it.)
< 1555281798 742483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is also why there is no version 5, I suppose. So the next one would be version 10 (if it is ever made), I suppose?
< 1555281835 760638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Once they reach 14 then maybe they have to add sub-version field, in case of any more versions after that)
< 1555282059 852202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 might be logical, if they feel the need to keep the initial 4-bit header field at all. I don't think it's very common to have packets where you know they're IP but don't know which version.
< 1555282158 677210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, if they're Ethernet frames, the two-byte EtherType field is 0800h for IPv4 and 86DDh for IPv6.)
< 1555282822 318300 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc115608-york6-2-0-cust168.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555283171 981794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555283268 328846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was thinking IP-over-ATM-AAL5 might have been using the version field for IPv6, but RFC2492 suggests LLC/SNAP framing is used, which again has a two-byte type field.)
< 1555283302 40489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about token ring in coax cable?
< 1555283438 622968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1555283509 312541 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode wowǃ
< 1555283510 333073 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence 'wow\xc7\x83' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555283519 963571 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode wowǃ
< 1555283520 674139 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0077 LATIN SMALL LETTER W] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0077 LATIN SMALL LETTER W] [U+01C3 LATIN LETTER RETROFLEX CLICK]
< 1555283659 28803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :0=Beginning of header line, 1=Header name, 2=Just read the colon of a header line, 3=Header value, 4=Line break after a header, 5=Beginning of body line, 6=Inside body line, 7=Just read a dot at beginning of body line, 8=Beginning of bad line, 9=Just read a dot at beginning of bad line, 10=Inside bad line. Do you think this can work for parsing a NNTP article while reading it?
< 1555283717 244068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I missed something, or if you think one thing I put is not needed, you can mention that please.)
< 1555283770 974770 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hash_function huh
< 1555283779 356758 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the physical layer for token ring over coax like?
< 1555283788 529330 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about ethernet thicknet... man that stuff sounds inconvenient
< 1555283799 844891 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vampire taps!
< 1555284100 508109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about token ring on coax, but based on some random web-reading it looks like normally IPv4 would use 802.2 LLC/SNAP framing on all 802.2 networks, both standard token ring and "token bus".
< 1555284237 403313 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember thin ethernet. I don't want to imagine the thick kind :)
< 1555284248 771724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember thin as well.
< 1555284285 942089 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No vampire taps though. Just T-connectors and terminators.)
< 1555284317 773116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The high school computer class was one loop of 10BASE2 with the cables crossing the corridors on the floor.
< 1555284325 828943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't super reliable, to be honest.
< 1555284367 260334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not just loose on the floor, they did have some sort of on-the-floor duct thing. But still.
< 1555284400 861358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since somebody mentioned token ring networks: https://dilbert.com/strip/1996-05-02
< 1555284457 269026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "the token fell out" is also in one of those excuse generators.
< 1555284481 624900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1555284531 63161 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is the Dilbert comic really that old, or is it just backdated?
< 1555284539 172447 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that old
< 1555284555 183689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1555284579 570388 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rightm is it older than UserFriendly?
< 1555284588 762119 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is
< 1555284609 305556 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1555284611 596377 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1555284630 974179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly. And it was a "real" comic, not just an online one.
< 1555284680 267988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :April 1989 is the oldest one, apparently.
< 1555284686 572404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1555284688 509860 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dilbert.com/strip/1989-04-16 to be precise
< 1555284712 946628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be surprised if it was online at the time... though a BBS would be possible I suppose :)
> 1555284779 511469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61047&oldid=61025 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+66) 10Undo removal of author and add it to the rest - nearly all featured languages have included it.
< 1555284798 865129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the early Dilberts are much better drawn than early Garfield strips.
> 1555284909 117595 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinite loop14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61048&oldid=61011 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+6) 10bold title
< 1555284979 389421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boldly go where no man has ventured before...
< 1555285303 914999 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-130.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving
> 1555285830 631059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61049&oldid=60984 5* 03Void 5* (-65) 10/* See also */
< 1555286095 822385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes A is reverting some of eir old more dubious edits...
> 1555286388 350281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hash function14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61050&oldid=61017 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+34) 10/* C example */ Let's at least have the function depend on the contents of the string, not just the length...
< 1555286408 751200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the whole article is really useful, but I couldn't leave it like that.
< 1555286467 267734 :Melvar!~melvar@dslc-082-082-054-165.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1555286652 268258 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, how to make a hash out of a hash function?
< 1555286667 89780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "process" side is worse, but I don't think we really need an article on hash functions, unless there's an actual esolang angle to them.
< 1555286770 870733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this may well have been a joke... the function was constant before. :P
< 1555286817 966206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Unless I missed something, it did still depend on the length of the input.
< 1555286825 573394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no.
< 1555286832 253836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starts at 0, eh?
< 1555286834 978640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1555286843 962319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was a joke, though.
< 1555286858 131303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless, I agree with the sentiment that it has no esoteric contents anyway.
< 1555287229 649865 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-199-157.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555288097 352574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61051&oldid=60976 5* 03Void 5* (+13) 10/* E */
> 1555288442 617514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61052 5* 03Void 5* (+2338) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Entish |paradigms=imperative |author=[[void4]] |year=[[:Category:2019|2019]] |memsys=stack-based |dimensions=tree-based |class=:Category:Turing comp..."
> 1555288730 976216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61053&oldid=61052 5* 03Void 5* (-118) 10
> 1555289296 340007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61054&oldid=61049 5* 03Void 5* (+1) 10
> 1555289376 893974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61055&oldid=61031 5* 03Helen 5* (+195) 10
> 1555289424 41707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61056&oldid=61046 5* 03Helen 5* (+891) 10/* Incrementing */ In progress
< 1555290003 664723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Magic: the Puzzling? I am looking at a recent one just now and I believe I have figured how to do it.
< 1555290139 276826 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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> 1555290318 290716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61057&oldid=61054 5* 03Void 5* (+310) 10/* Language overview */
> 1555290693 276661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Void14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61058 5* 03Void 5* (+43) 10Created page with "When life gives you lemons, create esolangs"
< 1555290788 200067 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555290821 391532 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esolang whose syntax is *dancing*
< 1555290938 916368 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you dance your language?
< 1555291218 657867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disco
< 1555291219 986651 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :disco? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555291222 644492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
> 1555291229 376268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61059&oldid=60992 5* 03Void 5* (+39) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */
< 1555291230 121088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp disco
< 1555291231 52195 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brexit:brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. This command was recently discovered to have a bug where it will repeatedly delay itself if not enough force is available. \ hfs:04You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless pits mark the surface. \ learning:Learning is disco, baby. \ lem:Stanisław Lem was a Polish
< 1555291256 89679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp Disco
< 1555291256 950600 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish:Come and dance and love the fish! Mister Disco summoned it.
< 1555291772 393774 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you'd add some way to output tones, what kind of music would your esolang be most suited to?
< 1555292575 561333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a idea of a Magic: the Gathering card with "enchant object that is not in a hidden zone" (and also flash).
< 1555292616 587287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :user24: If you mean with dancing, I suppose, it depend what kind of dancing. There is different kind of music for different kind of dancing, I think.
< 1555292843 874681 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you ignore the music part and only focus on movement it might be easier
< 1555292892 901585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, there is esolangs with musical syntax as well, but depending how the one with dancing is, you have to see if it is suitable or not. (I don't know much about dancing, though.)
> 1555294839 838674 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61060&oldid=61057 5* 03Void 5* (+40) 10
< 1555295302 101932 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 50k instructions per second, ouch
< 1555295348 22407 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you write fast VMs?
< 1555295367 185697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the VM, and on the host, I think.
< 1555295412 538034 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried RPython, because in theory, it generates a JIT for you. But in practice, it sucks to program with implicit types
< 1555295460 560243 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really say: "I want a 64 bit uint right here", you never know
< 1555295509 902834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have partially written a Z-machine implementation for Famicom, for example, and it does a lot of stuff to improve speed.
< 1555295625 921773 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you add some sort of tracing?
< 1555295649 692896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean?
< 1555295693 925875 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracing_just-in-time_compilation
< 1555295762 355097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not do any kind of JIT, actually.
< 1555295800 956695 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still, it's fast?
< 1555295851 833514 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the loop is not too complex, so the compiler optimizes it well
< 1555295875 109345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I have not finished writing it (I abandoned it for now, since on this computer I no longer have the stuff needed for testing), I don't know, but by counting the cycles and comparing, it seems like it would likely be faster than other implementations running on similar computers.
< 1555295886 827395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is written in assembly language, so it isn't optimized by a compiler.
< 1555295912 897956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any Famicom programming?
< 1555295981 71060 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1555296176 111030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the NMOS 6502 instruction set. There is the memory mapping, and then the hardware; I have also designed the cartridge hardware (although haven't actually built it, but I expect it would work), which isn't that complicated but does a few things which are very uncommon in Famicom cartridges (it maps mapper registers over RAM mirrors, it uses a bank size of one byte, and it doesn't care whether the signal is a read or a write).
< 1555296196 998940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Z-machine programming?
< 1555296215 158400 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet :)
< 1555296311 419274 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1555296318 657454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the document of Z-machine: http://zzo38computer.org/backup/zspec/zip_old.txt I have been unable to get it to render properly on my computer (I am probably doing something wrong), but even the source text is readable enough.
< 1555296319 572104 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just enabled the Rust optimizer
< 1555296353 963254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also implemented Z-machine in C, in JavaScript, and in Glulx. Note, Glulx is another VM for text adventure games like Z-machine is.)
< 1555296619 236383 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than a short encounter with Twine, i have not seen much interactive fiction before
< 1555296623 117977 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust optimizer results: Lvl 0: ~50k IPS, 1: 160k IPS, 2: 800k IPS, 3: 1M IPS!
< 1555296972 622635 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1555297127 427804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What VM is that?
< 1555297208 456340 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/RarVM
< 1555297287 833188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
> 1555298119 170289 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61061&oldid=61060 5* 03Void 5* (+62) 10/* Implementations */
< 1555300193 847438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume those are sam's favorite mushrooms
> 1555300495 805816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Void 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Snapshot.png10]]"
> 1555300836 105021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61063&oldid=61061 5* 03Void 5* (+357) 10/* Examples/Use cases */
< 1555302277 479965 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://venge.net/graydon/talks/CompilerTalk-2019.pdf
< 1555302490 957507 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ÐĐƉ
< 1555302492 14980 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+00D0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH] [U+0110 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH STROKE] [U+0189 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AFRICAN D]
< 1555302511 357228 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode can go fuck themselves with an african D
< 1555302528 214952 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate these letters so much
< 1555302568 132107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in the font I am using the appearance are all same, it look like.
< 1555302574 519632 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hopl.info/polykey.html
< 1555302579 265065 :user24!~user24@p200300C3AF055D2204931C43A07A25D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1555302732 288157 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there shoudln't be two letters that look exactly the same in the same damn script
< 1555302783 598340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think you are correct
< 1555303625 545624 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555306888 314892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand that classification of programming languages very well.
< 1555306903 541517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better explanations would help.
< 1555307247 488084 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
< 1555308197 194149 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.11 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555309998 457378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61064&oldid=61047 5* 03A 5* (+11) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1555310136 24327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61065&oldid=61043 5* 03A 5* (-29) 10Change to unknown computational class
> 1555310861 377125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61066&oldid=61065 5* 03A 5* (-375) 10/* Common Algorithms */
< 1555313514 386371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
> 1555316094 911055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61067&oldid=61056 5* 03A 5* (+228) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555316512 654593 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61068 5* 03A 5* (+745) 10Created page with "The [[Z3]] is a German computer created by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse Konrad Zuse]. Despite its extreme simplicity(the computer simulated only addition, subtra..."
> 1555316570 499801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61069&oldid=61068 5* 03A 5* (+69) 10
> 1555316648 349023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61070&oldid=61069 5* 03A 5* (+141) 10
> 1555316700 752661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61071&oldid=61070 5* 03A 5* (+62) 10
< 1555316773 385893 :fiktion!Elite22133@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aoeqtfcfdiiuqglh PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
> 1555317140 428374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61072&oldid=61067 5* 03A 5* (+439) 10It is possible that bitch compiles to a Minsky machine.
> 1555317177 205175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61073&oldid=61072 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10Oh no, I made it super messy.
> 1555317468 871922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61074&oldid=61064 5* 03A 5* (-12) 10Very close
> 1555317610 613212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61075&oldid=61073 5* 03A 5* (-2393) 10Shorten the page
> 1555317841 500013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61076&oldid=61075 5* 03A 5* (+2393) 10Reading this page without the "tape" edit seems awkward.
> 1555317889 149731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61077&oldid=61076 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* User:A - Implementing a tape */
> 1555317908 481642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61078&oldid=61077 5* 03A 5* (-43) 10/* User:A - Wrong idea of a tape */
> 1555318037 731579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61079&oldid=61074 5* 03A 5* (+50) 10/* List of candidates */
< 1555318896 205751 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1555319917 258178 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555319988 24467 :carado!~carado@51.15.37.153 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1555325445 541187 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-199-157.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
> 1555326368 844546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61080&oldid=61078 5* 03A 5* (+171) 10Provide more information for the readers.
< 1555326422 198893 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1555326479 506370 :MDude!~MDude@c-174-55-125-31.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
> 1555326523 859394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61081&oldid=61080 5* 03A 5* (+307) 10I'm pretty positive that this will fail.
< 1555327093 349181 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555328716 906889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61082&oldid=61055 5* 03A 5* (-250) 10
> 1555328735 587673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61083&oldid=61082 5* 03A 5* (-231) 10
> 1555328893 305341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalTape14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61084 5* 03A 5* (+125) 10Edit
> 1555329130 72443 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalTape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61085&oldid=61084 5* 03A 5* (+516) 10
> 1555329199 76317 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalTape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61086&oldid=61085 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10/* The tape */
> 1555329229 170846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalTape14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61087&oldid=61086 5* 03A 5* (-20) 10/* Computational class */
> 1555329247 900698 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalTape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61088&oldid=61087 5* 03A 5* (+31) 10/* Computational class */
< 1555329296 198304 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this group actually ever talk about occult/esoteric/paranormal or is that a red herring?
> 1555329356 128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalTape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61089&oldid=61088 5* 03A 5* (+208) 10/* Computational class */
> 1555329372 984495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalTape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61090&oldid=61089 5* 03A 5* (+28) 10/* Actual commands */
> 1555329423 183658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61091&oldid=60729 5* 03A 5* (+61) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */
< 1555329729 610434 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frater_E: that is a leftover from a topic set for late April fools
< 1555329737 463046 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Frater_E
< 1555329739 241970 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frater_E: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1555329762 139609 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel topic usually says something like that
< 1555329804 12866 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in that case I am in the wrong interest group. :P
< 1555329828 902784 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks anyway.
< 1555329837 961674 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for clarifying.
< 1555329869 170965 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555329879 677820 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
< 1555329994 687732 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we should change the channel topic
< 1555330491 415745 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie?
> 1555330603 954085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61092&oldid=61081 5* 03A 5* (+195) 10/* Incrementing */
> 1555330717 31340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61093&oldid=61092 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10pseudo-code seems crammed
> 1555330853 437055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61094&oldid=61093 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Decrementing */
< 1555332187 185420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I hadn't even noticed that.
< 1555332195 276819 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555332250 322624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international soiree for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and devaluation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1555332263 448080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: FWIW, we don't topiclock, it's a free-for-all to update.
< 1555332274 890982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reverted it to the pre-April-fools one.
< 1555332286 713965 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh
< 1555332299 284036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, except I also dropped the IOCCC mention, I think it's been long enough.)
< 1555332309 928113 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also do code golf and canaima support
< 1555332335 614254 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
> 1555332395 98792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61095&oldid=61094 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555332489 465008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61096&oldid=61095 5* 03A 5* (+40) 10/* Another attempt by User:A */
> 1555332795 955120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61097&oldid=61096 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10/* Another attempt by User:A */
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< 1555333744 211596 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international tea party for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and devaluation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1555333753 953572 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international cosplay tea party for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and devaluation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
> 1555334308 34439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61098&oldid=61097 5* 03Helen 5* (+266) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555334464 611957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61099&oldid=61098 5* 03Helen 5* (+14) 10/* Decrementing idea */ very minor formatting edit
> 1555334512 751868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61100&oldid=61099 5* 03Helen 5* (-14) 10Undo revision 61099 by [[Special:Contributions/Helen|Helen]] ([[User talk:Helen|talk]]), changed my mind
> 1555334658 158345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61101&oldid=61100 5* 03Helen 5* (+260) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555334755 395403 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61102&oldid=61101 5* 03Helen 5* (+135) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555334799 417106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61103&oldid=61102 5* 03Helen 5* (-14) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
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> 1555336006 422943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61104&oldid=61103 5* 03A 5* (+196) 10This is completely possible.
< 1555336061 230200 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555336228 684605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61105&oldid=61104 5* 03A 5* (+149) 10Add something.
> 1555336370 431399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61106&oldid=57274 5* 03A 5* (-297) 10Blanked the page
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> 1555337060 412083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61107&oldid=61105 5* 03A 5* (-710) 10Compiling to a Minsky macine will be trivial, since Home Row was already compiled to it.
< 1555337066 960148 :monkeystance!~monkeysta@110-174-85-242.static.tpgi.com.au PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
> 1555337816 120023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07JarJarScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61108&oldid=58105 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+0) 10correction of spelling of "grammar"
> 1555337962 734820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61109&oldid=61107 5* 03A 5* (-201) 10Sorry, I misunderstood the loops.
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> 1555338283 370198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61110&oldid=61066 5* 03A 5* (+20) 10The halting problem is of course impossible.
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> 1555338342 1006 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61111&oldid=61110 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10/* Unproven */
> 1555338366 599418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61112&oldid=61111 5* 03A 5* (-75) 10/* Unproven */
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> 1555338393 544244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61113&oldid=61112 5* 03A 5* (+19) 10/* Unproven */
> 1555338460 554906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61114&oldid=61113 5* 03A 5* (-19) 10/* Unproven */
> 1555338605 165363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61115&oldid=61109 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10Add links that I forgot to add.
> 1555339462 612344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61116&oldid=61115 5* 03A 5* (-171) 10/* Unconditional Branching */
> 1555339520 701362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61117&oldid=61083 5* 03A 5* (-388) 10Blanked the page
> 1555340150 311653 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61118&oldid=61116 5* 03A 5* (+200) 10You understood it the wrong way. I will explain it.
< 1555340758 78363 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1161
< 1555340759 20034 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1161: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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> 1555352716 917459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61119&oldid=61118 5* 03Helen 5* (+943) 10/* Incrementing */ Actually did algorithm
> 1555352763 441158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61120&oldid=61119 5* 03Helen 5* (-1397) 10/* Incrementing */ Reverting accident
> 1555354115 822950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alphabet Stew14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61121&oldid=58275 5* 03DMC 5* (-64) 10/* Description */
> 1555354154 542190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alphabet Stew14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61122&oldid=61121 5* 03DMC 5* (+0) 10/* Description */
> 1555354254 512228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alphabet Stew14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61123&oldid=61122 5* 03DMC 5* (+77) 10/* Description */
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> 1555354820 632362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DMC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61124&oldid=60812 5* 03DMC 5* (+37) 10
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> 1555358041 465733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61125&oldid=61120 5* 03Helen 5* (+2077) 10/* Incrementing */
> 1555358250 998265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61126&oldid=61125 5* 03Helen 5* (+245) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
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> 1555358550 760221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61127&oldid=61126 5* 03Helen 5* (+951) 10/* Decrementing idea */ Minor change to incrementing algorithm probably yields correct result
> 1555358577 804459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61128&oldid=61127 5* 03Helen 5* (+6) 10/* Decrementing idea */ oops
> 1555358892 177459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61129&oldid=61128 5* 03Helen 5* (+122) 10/* Zeroing a cell */
> 1555359207 509265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61130&oldid=61129 5* 03Helen 5* (+367) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555359229 850800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61131&oldid=61130 5* 03Helen 5* (+4) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */ small formatting error
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> 1555359573 394412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61132&oldid=61114 5* 03Helen 5* (+437) 10/* Impossible */ added halting problem because I thought it was good
> 1555359674 163325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61133&oldid=61132 5* 03Helen 5* (+57) 10/* Impossible */ formatting
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< 1555368962 872131 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00386552e5465cbabe.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1555370511 849760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i actually caught someone with an april fools joke! a bit late but...
< 1555370556 771922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's ever happened before, but then my childhood memories are pretty blurry.
< 1555370830 131820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slightly surprised someone like b_jonas hadn't created [[Z3]] before.
< 1555370988 335247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minor annoyance when checking lots of esolangs tabs is that unlike wikipedia, the page title for history pages starts with "Revision history" instead of the page name, meaning that the first letters showing in the tab lists give me no indication of which page is which without hovering.
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< 1555371194 358315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would guess that's the reason why wikipedia changed it.
< 1555371513 734394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh www.mediawiki.org doesn't have that change
< 1555372227 224414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm neither does wiktionary.
< 1555372368 358350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :german wikipedia has a version with quote marks.
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< 1555372703 669481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very consistent.
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< 1555373183 247906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i found it
< 1555373276 191211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can i change it to $1: Revision history like wikipedia?
< 1555373493 303557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:History-title seems to be the discussion from when wikipedia changed it
< 1555373558 904735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one of the times, at least
< 1555373650 728645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual reordering seems to have happened in 2012
< 1555373693 602869 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555373839 200490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( did fizzie just go to bed? )
< 1555373919 213584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's easily changeable, sure.
> 1555374020 878096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MediaWiki:History-Title14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61134 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+20) 10Putting the article title first like on Wikipedia seems more useful for tabbed browsing
< 1555374027 406054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee
< 1555374029 129682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : . o O ( did fizzie just go to bed? ) If it's easily changeable, sure. <--- somewhat tempting quote, if only for the slight surreal note
< 1555374040 174742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead
< 1555374061 245455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do we have a rule against it
< 1555374068 598163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quoteformat
< 1555374069 659549 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoteformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two.
< 1555374097 124066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think by the rules you must put [...] first :P
< 1555374215 329822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to have taken effect yet, although there may be some caching involved
< 1555374386 496834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=history-title&filter=all&lang=en&limit=50 still shows the old string.
< 1555374402 272321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we have $wgUseDatabaseMessages on or not.
< 1555374510 714105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be on by default, and I don't see an override. Not sure if there's a handy special page that could show the config somewhere.
< 1555374614 810650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a message cache too, though.)
< 1555374826 259062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we'll: wait and see what'll happen.
< 1555375107 625452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good plan
> 1555375532 195746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61135&oldid=61091 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */ grm
> 1555375648 456012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61136&oldid=61106 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+153) 10Undo blanking of another person's message
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< 1555392909 88015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Infocom game source is posted at https://github.com/historicalsource
< 1555392915 189757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like this?
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> 1555403451 642787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61137&oldid=61059 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+112) 10/* Ideas for Names */
> 1555403507 953887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61138&oldid=61137 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+20) 10/* Ideas for Names */
< 1555403566 225994 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's an illegal upload by a notorious copyright infringer
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> 1555404264 818068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61139&oldid=61131 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555404559 243744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61140&oldid=61138 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+39) 10/* Ideas for Names */
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> 1555406635 703075 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TuxCrafting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61141&oldid=56864 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+50) 10
> 1555406972 77712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:TuxCrafting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61142&oldid=59502 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+190) 10
> 1555406992 332268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TuxCrafting14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61143&oldid=61141 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+8) 10
> 1555408074 130962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61144&oldid=61133 5* 03A 5* (+25) 10There is aleady a proof in the talk page.
> 1555408118 380941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61145&oldid=61079 5* 03A 5* (-19) 10/* List of candidates */
< 1555408956 123300 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555408983 910829 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I need help!
< 1555409020 66084 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1555409080 522608 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone sent this code to me: .... ..... .... .......... .... ......... ..... ... .... .... .... ........... .... ... .. ... ....... ..... ...... .... ...., ........ .. ...... ..... ....., .... ...! CCOA
> 1555409102 373640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61146&oldid=61140 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+318) 10/* Ideas for Names */
< 1555409106 552742 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've searched everywhere and can not figure out
< 1555409146 693650 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to co coa coa coa coa cow c^a coa coa coa coa ra coa con coa coa coa con coa coa coa con coa con coa coa coa coa□ccoa con coa coa coa coa con co
< 1555409214 744257 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone help me or have an idea of what this code might be?
< 1555409454 231347 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
> 1555410030 946862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Uf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61147 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+337) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=uf (forth, microforth) |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:Total Vacuum|Total Vacuum]] |year=[[:Category:2019|2019]] |memsys=:Category:Stack-base..."
> 1555410040 96906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Total Vacuum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61148&oldid=49750 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+504) 10
> 1555411069 603788 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Uf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61149&oldid=61147 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+485) 10
< 1555411126 209978 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555411162 866964 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1555411186 522835 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555411219 212940 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone sent this code to me: .... ..... .... .......... .... ......... ..... ... .... .... .... ........... .... ... .. ... ....... ..... ...... .... ...., ........ .. ...... ..... ....., .... ...! CCOA
< 1555411221 600054 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
> 1555411444 824780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61150&oldid=61146 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+31) 10/* Ideas for Names */
< 1555411495 122320 :orpheu!aa53a8e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.83.168.224 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
> 1555411517 837245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Uf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61151&oldid=61149 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (-6) 10
> 1555411936 440769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61152&oldid=61051 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+9) 10
> 1555413684 111035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61153&oldid=61139 5* 03A 5* (+264) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555413747 980943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61154&oldid=61153 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10Move decrementing idea
> 1555413765 854692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61155&oldid=61154 5* 03A 5* (-4) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555413924 552079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61156&oldid=61144 5* 03A 5* (+198) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1555413998 867178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61157&oldid=60307 5* 03A 5* (-19) 10Add bitch to get more help from other users.
> 1555414449 491450 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61158&oldid=61155 5* 03A 5* (+189) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
< 1555415335 21755 :fmease!fmeasematr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rtagltotrowdxljt JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555416052 229745 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555416079 88533 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
> 1555416143 344898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61159&oldid=61158 5* 03A 5* (+19) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
< 1555416569 443081 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1555416939 199822 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-psdvqrvunjmftpjh JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555417090 683466 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61160&oldid=61159 5* 03A 5* (+84) 10Already Turing-complete!
< 1555417228 359530 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1555417303 179156 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:dce:d5cb:b1c3:1dfd JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555417370 968326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61161&oldid=61160 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10Z3 is unique, so I will add "the" to them.
> 1555417724 268439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61162&oldid=61161 5* 03A 5* (+137) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555418800 734583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61163&oldid=61162 5* 03A 5* (-137) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555418824 376167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61164&oldid=61163 5* 03A 5* (-28) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
< 1555419276 230829 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555419858 714953 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1555419996 241030 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555420262 930095 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61165&oldid=61164 5* 03A 5* (+37) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555420543 58976 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61166&oldid=61165 5* 03A 5* (+119) 10/* User:Helen - Implementing arithematic operations */
> 1555420599 239892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61167&oldid=61166 5* 03A 5* (+87) 10/* User:Helen - Implementing arithematic operations */
< 1555420977 561043 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
> 1555421183 301164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61168&oldid=61167 5* 03A 5* (-7) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555421216 639442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61169&oldid=61168 5* 03A 5* (+9) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
< 1555421415 2050 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555421466 41692 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
> 1555421507 637254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61170&oldid=61169 5* 03A 5* (-2352) 10/* User:A - Idea of a tape in the accumulator */
> 1555421536 531350 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61171&oldid=61170 5* 03A 5* (-109) 10/* User:A - Basic compilation */
< 1555422202 250324 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1555422233 670003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm "software-managed [cache] coherence".
< 1555422320 858978 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555422649 533601 :mniip_!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555422665 50427 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61172&oldid=61171 5* 03A 5* (+51) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
< 1555422738 794197 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 633 seconds
< 1555422784 690840 :mniip_!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip NICK :mniip
> 1555422852 68604 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61173&oldid=61172 5* 03A 5* (-47) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
< 1555422890 847406 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Client Quit
> 1555422932 190923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61174&oldid=61173 5* 03A 5* (-53) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
< 1555422973 460234 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555423208 344536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61175&oldid=61156 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1555423243 66289 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61176&oldid=61175 5* 03A 5* (+4) 10/* Turing-completeness */
< 1555423557 899186 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-psdvqrvunjmftpjh QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1555423559 309511 :fmease!fmeasematr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rtagltotrowdxljt QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
> 1555423596 134306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61177&oldid=57024 5* 03A 5* (-167) 10
< 1555423776 205494 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc115608-york6-2-0-cust168.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1555423868 353776 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc115608-york6-2-0-cust168.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555424149 382833 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61178&oldid=61176 5* 03A 5* (-47) 10/* Turing-completeness */
> 1555424664 864413 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61179&oldid=61178 5* 03A 5* (-181) 10/* Turing-completeness */
< 1555425130 567221 :fmease!fmeasematr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nubaquqxynudyuzk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555425532 927395 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1555425555 596442 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555425578 571927 :adu!~ajr@pool-70-110-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1555426178 829011 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-oyzjrhybrcocvgbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555426463 106050 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1555426518 112535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61180&oldid=61174 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* User:Helen - Implementing arithematic operations */
> 1555426723 528700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61181&oldid=61180 5* 03Helen 5* (+203) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555426922 188621 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61182&oldid=61181 5* 03Helen 5* (+274) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555427016 544401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61183&oldid=61182 5* 03A 5* (+212) 10
> 1555427073 614402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61184&oldid=61183 5* 03Helen 5* (+6) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555427256 585370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61185&oldid=61184 5* 03A 5* (+145) 10/* Proof that all loops are computationally equivalent */
> 1555427331 528748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61186&oldid=61185 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10/* Proof that all loops are computationally equivalent */
< 1555427348 245902 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :
< 1555427374 37921 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555427454 214602 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61187&oldid=61186 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10/* Proof that all loops are computationally equivalent */
< 1555427617 405903 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving
> 1555427758 327496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61188&oldid=61145 5* 03A 5* (-50) 10/* List of candidates */
< 1555428095 607871 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I haven't heard of this Z3, but does it by chance have something to do with the two languages described in https://esolangs.org/wiki/Blindfolded_Arithmetic ?
< 1555428192 539821 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. apparently it's at least similar.
> 1555428228 610732 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blindfolded Arithmetic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61189&oldid=59373 5* 03B jonas 5* (+50) 10link [[Z3]]
< 1555428434 728879 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1555428564 180662 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555428867 273892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BTree14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61190 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+2663) 10Created page with "'''BTree''' is an esoteric language invented by [[User:TuxCrafting]] where programs are formatted as binary trees. == Syntax == Programs are made of nodes, which contain one..."
< 1555429813 721231 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0024af2862d98b4e26.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555430246 248087 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61191&oldid=61187 5* 03Helen 5* (+45) 10/* Incrementing */
> 1555430453 614386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BTree14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61192&oldid=61190 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+133) 10categories
> 1555430582 688591 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61193&oldid=61152 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+12) 10
> 1555431508 590406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TuxCrafting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61194&oldid=61143 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+192) 10
> 1555433257 188129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BTree14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61195&oldid=61192 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+104) 10
< 1555433417 289790 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555433619 632803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
> 1555435910 110633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Total Vacuum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61196&oldid=61148 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+4) 10/* ideas */
> 1555436054 46979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61197&oldid=61150 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (-27) 10/* Ideas for Names */
< 1555436574 179105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555439696 301212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: am I associated with BANCStar so much that I ought not to propose it as a featured article on the wiki?
< 1555440646 365345 :Guest33!5f5ad649@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.90.214.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555440791 501770 :Guest33!5f5ad649@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.90.214.73 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1555442908 593768 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61198&oldid=40697 5* 03B jonas 5* (+296) 10
> 1555443521 835651 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61199&oldid=61198 5* 03B jonas 5* (+45) 10/* Implementation */
< 1555444714 556242 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a large enough corpus of code in a language L, one can construct a turing-complete language @L where code is a list of references to lines of code in that corpus
< 1555444741 354979 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.pl:230;bar.pl:30;...
< 1555444742 260056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROP is more or less that.
< 1555444947 78447 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, imagine M@L,C to be the corpus in language M such that a program written in @L for the corpus C, would work when applied to it.
< 1555445032 253796 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote silliness
< 1555445033 764292 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555445035 519456 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is probably extremely hard to derive this corpus
< 1555445073 820437 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if both languages are simple imperative languages
< 1555445388 593906 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating a program line-for-line into a different language is hard, but M@L,C is harder, requires that each line behaves the same as its corresponding line in C, not only in it's context in C, but in any possible context
< 1555445624 564853 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, has fizzie been adding new markov models to you?
< 1555445624 668899 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the one who got you killed him for it?
< 1555445657 616658 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-06.html#lJIc
< 1555446184 539776 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:2443:295c:f06:26fd:4d7a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555446335 521800 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1555446350 285632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote #define __NR_oldolduname 59 fungot: what's your old old name? olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness).
< 1555446350 378523 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you and the pogo hammer. he transported, it saved a princess.
< 1555446352 26093 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1333) #define __NR_oldolduname 59 fungot: what's your old old name? olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness).
< 1555446372 439650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :# quote from https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-06.html#lO1b
< 1555446434 820456 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, fresh me-quote, I wonder how long ago it was that I actually said anything in here
< 1555446438 326118 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1555446438 375817 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
< 1555446450 644451 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, now you just reset the counter
< 1555446473 15390 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I figured the quote did anyway
< 1555446511 452625 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehm, quote me in 5 years and I'll try to remember not to respond
< 1555446553 84948 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what counter?
< 1555446578 379565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, counter for how long it's been that you said anything here
< 1555446711 944763 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1555447187 136925 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mario
< 1555447188 299975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metroid
< 1555447188 395570 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario is a classic PSPACE-complete problem invented by Nintendo.
< 1555447189 259772 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :metroid? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555447191 771591 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zelda
< 1555447192 786905 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zelda? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555447194 395465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? link
< 1555447195 439660 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? ¯\(°_o)/¯
> 1555447251 685868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Total Vacuum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61200&oldid=61196 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+205) 10/* ideas */
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< 1555447469 753021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Hmm?
< 1555447502 716369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 2014.
< 1555447723 880585 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-43.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, I was reading the logs for BANCStar
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> 1555450540 942925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BTree14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61201&oldid=61195 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+444) 10woo, tc
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< 1555455036 327468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the Z3 on the wiki is confusing me, as there's a non-eso language called Z3 too
< 1555455071 628778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, "non-eso" is relative here, it's pretty eso compared to languages like Java, but it's intended for serious use
< 1555455305 479373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably Zuse's Z3 came first.
< 1555455437 384104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAT solvers are pretty neat.
< 1555455444 263746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SMT solvers.
< 1555455448 507933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to learn all the fancy tricks they use.
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< 1555457861 645402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs for Microsoft's Z3 describe it as a "theorem prover", for some reason
< 1555458008 318669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it?
< 1555458981 294962 :imode-desktop!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1555460616 889407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure; its most common use seems to be constraint solving
< 1555460621 42962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never used it directly myself
< 1555461041 434984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i don't really know Z3 either but it seemed like the kind of thing you sometimes add
< 1555461194 663889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for BANCStar, i seem to recall we used to consider it an example of a language that isn't esoteric because it was meant for something practical.
< 1555461475 946540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1333
< 1555461476 646400 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1333) #define __NR_oldolduname 59 fungot: what's your old old name? olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness).
< 1555461482 58879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoteformat
< 1555461483 819250 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quoteformat: not found
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< 1555461489 446763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quoteformat
< 1555461490 968039 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoteformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two.
< 1555461527 659264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled quotes//1333s, <, <,g
< 1555461529 304891 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quotes// EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. \ His body should be given to
< 1555461535 227626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1333
< 1555461535 920065 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1333) #define __NR_oldolduname 59 fungot: what's your old old name? olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness).
< 1555461578 38122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems compliant to me hth
< 1555461604 707353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW IT IS
< 1555461634 177152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start writing " " in all the quotable things I say.
< 1555461656 320187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django
< 1555461657 129 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :260) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 305) `quote django 352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 306) `quote django 352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django , 2 for
< 1555461756 441267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 1
< 1555461786 81500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not the contest hth
< 1555461820 947115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon
< 1555461820 987971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :The press is the enemy.
< 1555461896 421973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "press is the enemy"
< 1555461896 871490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.quora.com/Did-President-Trump-actually-say-the-press-is-the-enemy-of-the-people-I-can-only-find-where-he-said-fake-news-is-the-enemy-of-the-people
< 1555462022 974385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode text rendering is locale-dependent?
< 1555462027 635352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up.
< 1555462220 938441 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.212.11 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1555465101 99536 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to play baba is you
< 1555465218 11115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Baba was You, the time traveling puzzle game )
< 1555465345 447417 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braid is a pretty good time traveling puzzle game
< 1555465416 569621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make a 2+1D puzzle game where you have some tricky spacetime manifold.
< 1555465545 694915 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that wrk
< 1555465616 615869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some ideas but it turns out to be p. complicated
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< 1555466141 591499 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is charming
< 1555466143 558046 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am charmed
< 1555466228 92459 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already encountered some tricky situations such as a move that changes the rule of whether said move will kill me
< 1555466247 493099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019-03.txt:02:50:26 kmc: you should babajam
< 1555466479 892287 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean
< 1555466494 10225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1555466759 365160 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1555467484 472782 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very stuck :(
< 1555467508 61628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible hth
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< 1555468111 293139 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i got it
< 1555468162 771018 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALGAE IS DEFEAT
< 1555468178 820753 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOVE IS PUSH, LOVE IS WIN
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< 1555469177 54946 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing it too now
< 1555469178 483801 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool
< 1555469199 983269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOCH IS LOVE
< 1555469234 334829 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROCK IS FLAG
< 1555469540 450134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOUT IS LOUD
< 1555469597 127597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN IS BEST
< 1555469792 866697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish all the rules in Baba Is You were deterministic.
< 1555470477 860757 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-141-89.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Rearranging a bunch of shit
< 1555471117 879022 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does DOOR IS SHUT mean
< 1555471499 910706 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :a X IS SHUT means that a Y IS OPEN will unlock/break X
< 1555471552 294100 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1555471553 617275 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
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< 1555475685 410342 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is adorable
< 1555475731 907033 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
< 1555476356 631193 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god now there are text tiles that control the behavior of text tiles
> 1555476974 19971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61202&oldid=61071 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+233) 10links with details of the Z3 architecture
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< 1555478259 611302 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty ramps up quite quickly
< 1555478478 980500 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1555478563 293434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
> 1555478583 570330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Z314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61203 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+849) 10trying to clarify the 2nd paragraph (not about Z3)
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< 1555483676 474626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius: uh oh
< 1555483849 164248 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do you mean about the rules not being deterministic?
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< 1555486517 267612 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba is you is a great game. i didn't play that much yet, i am stuck in the second bonus level underwater
< 1555486551 484982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one?
< 1555486569 657524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second hth
< 1555486604 606532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did help, thank you
< 1555486610 877441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1555486652 424959 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two, the first has "crab is defeat" and "flag is win" in the upper right corner to be activated, the second one also has "jelly is push" and bypasses the option to make a "rock is you" to sneak through the crabs
< 1555486689 57688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one.
< 1555486701 807462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is defeat
< 1555486707 57488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1555486723 996147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means if you touch oerjan you disappear, hth
< 1555486736 971781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1555486745 867412 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite the nice sequence
< 1555486781 203467 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the levels are so similar and i like how the second breaks the way you can solve the first
< 1555486798 533643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pattern in this game.
< 1555486829 417205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular [redacted] and [redacted], and also [redacted] and [redacted]
< 1555486834 874678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few other instances.
< 1555486988 254851 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if puzzles are in right now: snakebird is awesome
< 1555487022 408091 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics discouraged me the first few times from trying it because it looked too childish to be a challenge, but it is
< 1555487197 515808 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "the sequence" and "the sequence 2" for mobile are nice bullying automaton puzzles
> 1555488822 584703 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61204&oldid=61191 5* 03A 5* (-906) 10Delete a quite irrelevant conversation
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> 1555491036 548346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61205&oldid=61204 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+680) 10
< 1555492410 145880 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555492505 310603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61206&oldid=61205 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+380) 10
< 1555492601 320925 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakebird is really good
< 1555492614 446322 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive also tried stephen sausage roll but it's too difficult
< 1555492666 518020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssr is tg
< 1555492917 997753 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555492920 529247 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PART :#esoteric
< 1555492993 56465 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game ?
< 1555493160 830955 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg
< 1555493164 909442 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not.
< 1555493187 367218 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1555493805 925215 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit
< 1555493944 759431 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555494865 84614 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555497443 686036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61207&oldid=61179 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+12) 10TCness is an open question
< 1555498214 432145 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
> 1555500125 646084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61208&oldid=61206 5* 03A 5* (+11) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555500155 670824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61209&oldid=61208 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Wait, switch order...
> 1555500396 527040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61210&oldid=61209 5* 03A 5* (+118) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1555500450 233471 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61211&oldid=60312 5* 03A 5* (+636) 10
> 1555500463 165046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61212&oldid=61211 5* 03A 5* (+64) 10/* Comment from User:TuxCrafting= */
> 1555500514 17083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61213&oldid=61212 5* 03A 5* (+379) 10
> 1555500739 451147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61214&oldid=61213 5* 03A 5* (+15) 10
> 1555500944 993443 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61215&oldid=61210 5* 03A 5* (+47) 10/* Some thoughts */
< 1555501105 286288 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555501291 92428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61216&oldid=61215 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+202) 10
> 1555502021 983487 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61217&oldid=61216 5* 03A 5* (+142) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555502228 711650 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61218&oldid=61217 5* 03A 5* (+39) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */
> 1555502657 863622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61219&oldid=61218 5* 03A 5* (+186) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1555502708 835936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61220&oldid=61219 5* 03A 5* (+11) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1555502788 922881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61221&oldid=61220 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1555502864 788251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61222&oldid=61221 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Sent wrong URL
> 1555504251 127352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61223&oldid=61222 5* 03A 5* (+122) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */
< 1555504279 318388 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
> 1555504940 216560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61224&oldid=61202 5* 03A 5* (-7) 10
> 1555505125 165257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61225&oldid=61203 5* 03A 5* (+192) 10
> 1555505407 995619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61226&oldid=61224 5* 03A 5* (-416) 10
> 1555505500 343231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61227&oldid=61223 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen */
> 1555505757 102946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61228&oldid=61225 5* 03A 5* (-192) 10Undo revision 61225 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]])
> 1555505883 477080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61229&oldid=61227 5* 03A 5* (+152) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen */
> 1555506195 610706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61230&oldid=61226 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10
< 1555506268 102567 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555506298 899880 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61231&oldid=61207 5* 03A 5* (+92) 10/* Impossible */
< 1555506315 209815 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1555506334 548002 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1555507888 267659 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61232&oldid=61229 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10/* Proof that all loops are computationally equivalent */
> 1555508998 898988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61233&oldid=61232 5* 03A 5* (+447) 10/* Proof that the Halting problem is trivial in bitch */
> 1555509074 95276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61234&oldid=61233 5* 03A 5* (+128) 10/* Proof that the Halting problem is trivial in bitch */
> 1555509826 367186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61235&oldid=61234 5* 03A 5* (+15) 10I helped you out a bit.
> 1555510473 26945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61236&oldid=61235 5* 03A 5* (+59) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1555510587 525578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61237&oldid=61214 5* 03A 5* (+61) 10/* Comment from User:TuxCrafting from bitch */
> 1555510937 446079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61238&oldid=61236 5* 03A 5* (+8) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */
> 1555511092 258775 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61239&oldid=61188 5* 03A 5* (+114) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1555511204 485169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61240&oldid=61239 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1555511241 563555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61241&oldid=61240 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1555511297 976396 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61242&oldid=61241 5* 03A 5* (-75) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1555511350 776575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61243&oldid=61242 5* 03A 5* (-13) 10
> 1555511500 830583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61244&oldid=61243 5* 03A 5* (+26) 10/* List of candidates */
< 1555511604 230666 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...brainfuck was the features language on the wiki for pretty much my entire time at uni
> 1555511695 467256 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61245&oldid=61238 5* 03A 5* (+100) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */
> 1555511783 706181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61246&oldid=61245 5* 03A 5* (+16) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */
> 1555512340 211625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61247&oldid=61231 5* 03Helen 5* (+76) 10/* Basic Flow Instructions */ Clarified looping due to a comment in the talk page by [[User:TuxCrafting|TuxCrafting]]
> 1555512939 39437 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61248&oldid=61246 5* 03Helen 5* (+53) 10/* Incrementing */
> 1555513002 218541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61249&oldid=61247 5* 03Helen 5* (+4) 10Updated computational class to unknown
> 1555513724 196734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61250&oldid=61237 5* 03Helen 5* (+449) 10/* Comment from User:TuxCrafting from Talk:bitch */
> 1555514050 184619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61251&oldid=61248 5* 03Helen 5* (+67) 10/* Incrementing */
> 1555514073 847434 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61252&oldid=61251 5* 03Helen 5* (-257) 10/* Decrementing idea */
> 1555514159 657001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61253&oldid=58955 5* 03Helen 5* (+118) 10
> 1555514172 952923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Helen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61254&oldid=61253 5* 03Helen 5* (+11) 10
> 1555514194 108920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61255&oldid=61252 5* 03Helen 5* (+85) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1555514229 238300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61256&oldid=61255 5* 03Helen 5* (+75) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1555514333 550911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61257&oldid=61256 5* 03Helen 5* (+163) 10/* Attempt by User:Helen and User:A */
> 1555515190 317694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61258&oldid=61257 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+805) 10
> 1555515233 610420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61259&oldid=61258 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+93) 10
< 1555515556 120494 :ZM!4db75084@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.183.80.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555515664 333082 :ZM!4db75084@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.183.80.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing around a bit with BytePusher
< 1555515847 734350 :ZM!4db75084@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.183.80.132 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1555516052 997103 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it now I have to buy that game
< 1555516134 869509 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which game?
< 1555516195 359181 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baba is You
< 1555516221 266215 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep talking about it and it sound so awesome
< 1555516273 105434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about it
< 1555516302 44658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_majestatis]'re all done with that game.
< 1555516381 633634 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555516618 468935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: imo you should baba it up hth
< 1555516640 63159 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome
< 1555516652 823797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know anything abou tit
< 1555516778 501472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: good, that's the way to do it
< 1555516793 25035 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it run on Linux
< 1555516798 702664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluralis int-estatis
< 1555516800 685457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately
< 1555516800 958809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1555516817 116548 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it run well on my computer that doesn't currently and may not soon have a GPU
< 1555516858 646104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a fancy graphics game
< 1555516877 402031 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c03b5c9acfd48877.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555516879 34400 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost
< 1555516882 954419 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs on a switch
< 1555516888 283897 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I have one of those
< 1555516891 694475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7MJljsoUSo
< 1555516898 858696 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: one from nintendo?
< 1555516903 62518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1555516907 186533 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it
< 1555516911 782977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it doesn't look like it needs a GPU. OTOH I'm pretty sure it uses OpenGL.
< 1555516912 998729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it costs $12,000
< 1555516927 158920 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the switch is an awesome console
< 1555516930 823294 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of dollars unless that , marks the decimal point
< 1555516932 635653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about 9000 gbp
< 1555516953 541783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can I sell my copy to you?
< 1555516976 142022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, Steam won't allow it...)
< 1555516979 415758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A second-hand copy? I'll pay you $0.14 for it.
< 1555516986 442327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, you bought it on Steam?
< 1555516993 802603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1555517012 933205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought it on humblebundle.com because you get a non-Steam-DRM copy.
< 1555517018 361869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And then played it on Steam.
< 1555517040 984279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not following humblebundle anymore.
< 1555517060 880830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get it as part of a bundle. I stopped following those a long time ago.
< 1555517067 633972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just a regular store now.
< 1555517100 356179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found that most of the non-crappy games in those bundles were the non-crappy games that made me buy earlier bundles.)
< 1555517116 927872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the shop.
< 1555517162 83203 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c03b5c9acfd48877.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1555517173 37070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I disliked the infrequent updates.
< 1555517180 957009 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c03b5c9acfd48877.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555517203 51994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look at this. They have 9 bundles.
< 1555517230 672878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Oh look at this, crap^9. (I haven't looked) )
< 1555517248 600905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I want a "₿lockchain & ¢ryptocurrencybundle"!
< 1555517276 854396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a Unicode code point for U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN?
< 1555517277 985693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donate more than the average and get 0.0001 bitcoin
< 1555517295 166003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always figured people were abusing some other code point that happened to have a B with a line through it.
< 1555517300 517435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm disappointed in the Unicode committee.
< 1555517329 364687 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is it a double-linked blockchain?
< 1555517335 400488 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err doubly-linked
< 1555517354 154898 :TuxCrafting!~elie@37.142.2.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing all the emojis you shouldn't be surprised by the uc being stupid
< 1555517357 805749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope so.
< 1555517440 305180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get more mystery games on May 3 <-- they have invisible crap too
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< 1555517493 805440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know it has to be good if they won't even tell you what it is.
< 1555517588 379373 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-331-228.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555517777 345824 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIT
< 1555517786 393466 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my font doesn't have the bitcoin sign
< 1555517808 136820 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin sign is a very important character to support
< 1555517820 784048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say, can I use your font?
< 1555517823 991334 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ₿
< 1555517826 909692 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555517888 773168 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kʷos?
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< 1555518472 425656 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't wait for the switch release of slay the spire
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< 1555519061 619310 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I have just added 5 new currency symbols to my font
< 1555519110 578950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 💱?
< 1555519129 466603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren's font
< 1555519130 607990 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren's font? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555519135 286927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp font
< 1555519136 944775 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dingbat:dingbat is a famous font designer for Microsoft. \ font:#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ \ lifthrasiir's font:lifthrasiir's font is https://github.com
< 1555519137 965173 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+20BB to U+20BF
< 1555519228 366509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, your font's metadata seems all wrong
< 1555519235 96632 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm?
< 1555519250 380004 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way?
< 1555519271 908203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm loading it with freetype and rendering glyphs using bitmap_left, bitmap_top, etc.
< 1555519283 381271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's sure looking terrible.
< 1555519310 630776 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a TTF font not bitmap
< 1555519378 489398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, Freetype is rendering it to a bitmap.
< 1555519403 768227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about font rendering but what I'm doing worked fine with all the other TTF fonts I tried.
< 1555519446 987390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font.png
< 1555519451 445955 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this font has a persistent problem with working under subpixel rendering
< 1555519464 956027 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hmm
< 1555519527 713093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font-atlas-128.pgm
< 1555519555 166829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be doing something wrong but the other TTF fonts I tried look OK.
< 1555519614 302551 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I mean, those other ttf fonts were generated by programs written by people who understood ttf formatbetter than me
< 1555519641 196758 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bdf2ttf.htm
< 1555519680 361464 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than by a c program written using documentation found online
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< 1555519694 124553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand TTF at all.
< 1555519706 357730 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works fine in a web browser and in most terminals
< 1555519743 582237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1555519746 529852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe it's my fault.
< 1555519791 204990 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's definitely possible I made a mistake that only causes problems in some circumstances.
< 1555519848 214853 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttf is really badly documented
< 1555519916 290979 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even *attempt* to do any of the special hinting program stuff
< 1555519984 52642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have to do with how I'm packing the thing.
< 1555519988 384504 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\0n\0e\0o\0l\0e\0t\0t\0e\0r\0s" yay for doing UTF-16 the stupid way
< 1555520104 655679 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty proud of my algorithm for converting the bitmap into a series of curves
< 1555520189 264785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here we go.
< 1555520222 681833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :face->size->metrics.height is 1024 (16px?), but the actual glyphs are of height 24px
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< 1555520230 775443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1555520233 261659 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1555520321 727823 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glphs ought to be 16 px high tho
< 1555520350 498493 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where did I put 24 px
< 1555520419 955197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm loading it at a particular size to get bitmaps.
< 1555520426 189656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably things are being scaled to give me these numbers.
< 1555520816 482309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this looks a bit better: http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font-2.png
< 1555520845 525226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that things are being packed correctly. But the height is still wrong.
< 1555521027 105973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like the p
< 1555521028 188222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : t look.
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< 1555521076 666533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://slbkbs.org/tmp/oren-font-3.png
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< 1555521134 386465 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it thinks the height is half of what it is
< 1555521172 956614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1555521177 811297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that all about?
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< 1555521200 548637 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a theory that my values in the OS/2 table are wrong
< 1555521210 576653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice vertical kerning ;-)
< 1555521237 681099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it?
< 1555521248 214323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just take credit for this new innovation.
< 1555521252 348785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vertical ligatures.
< 1555521287 826495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that happen in Japanese calligraphy?
< 1555521301 469578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure)
< 1555521318 567614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is playing with Coq.
< 1555521324 680494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean text written vertically?
< 1555521329 517779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as terrible yet as I was told it would be.
< 1555521337 285373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, perpendicular ligatures.
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< 1555521485 226938 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, the ttf format has a bunch of pairs of ascent and descent values
< 1555521502 349198 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my font these would be 12 and 4
< 1555521505 815713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I bet I should be using those values.
< 1555521514 450659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Are write32 etc. doing endianness swaps?
< 1555521528 551579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you writing the code in a way that's both unportable and hard to understand?
< 1555521534 810301 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah they all do endianness
< 1555521534 907225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endianness swaps are scow.
< 1555521604 687296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned char buf[4] = { c >> 24, c >> 16, c >> 8, c };
< 1555521607 908485 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, suppose that i got the sign wrong on one of my descent values
< 1555521612 918353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwrite(buf, 1, 4, f);
< 1555521625 398037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endianness swaps should be illegal.
< 1555521666 667401 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that happened, the descent would effectively be -4, making the whole hieght of the character 12 - 4 = 8, instead of 12 + 4 = 16
< 1555521726 329882 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my best guess as to what is happening
< 1555521746 684904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascender is 24, descender is 7
< 1555521765 18926 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh....
< 1555521778 151231 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rounding involved I guess
< 1555521820 454771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ascender is 1536, descender is 448
< 1555521854 735643 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that descent measured downward or upward I wonder
< 1555521877 968484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try another font.
< 1555521890 181974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ascender is 1920, descender is -512
< 1555521919 951680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'match lst as b return (lst = b -> A) with' <-- now what.
< 1555521961 517915 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1555521986 838902 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's definitely a sign problem in one of my descender values
< 1555522146 530123 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, hhea.descent is suppose to be negative
< 1555522187 885967 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed it
< 1555522237 680782 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhea.descent is of type "FWORD"
< 1555522239 43392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4MB
< 1555522247 782240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of B.
< 1555522262 82896 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe I should compress it?
< 1555522348 630314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now it looks fine.
< 1555522377 221708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I lost that great ligature.
< 1555522394 613647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a ligature in this case, just good kerning.
< 1555522438 402613 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think css supports negative % line height?
< 1555522458 539315 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it used for fonts that have excessive vertical space
< 1555522475 344088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can certainly do it.
< 1555522487 652047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doens't happen naturally now.
< 1555522621 672350 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zip compresses it to 5 megabytes
< 1555522651 39610 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. .5 Mb
< 1555522676 646257 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's like, 20% size
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< 1555528712 187622 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do people do Baba Is You esoprogramming
< 1555528715 369270 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a level editor?
< 1555529260 13836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://babaiswiki.fandom.com/wiki/Level_editor seems to be the answer to that question
< 1555529295 904085 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad!
> 1555529513 82251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61260&oldid=61259 5* 03Helen 5* (-9791) 10/* Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen */ Moved to bottom (part 1)
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> 1555529628 528748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61261&oldid=61260 5* 03Helen 5* (+9806) 10/*Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen*/ Moved to bottom (part 2)
> 1555529994 666469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61262&oldid=61117 5* 03Helen 5* (+225) 10Suggenstion for [[Volatile]]'s push 1 trick
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< 1555530344 405465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so apparently Taneb hasn't invented Baba is you yet
> 1555530361 862255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61263&oldid=61262 5* 03Helen 5* (+137) 10/* Volatile push 1 algorithm */
> 1555530371 854873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61264&oldid=61263 5* 03Helen 5* (+4) 10/* Volatile push 1 algorithm */
> 1555530439 945082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61265&oldid=61261 5* 03Helen 5* (+1) 10/* Some thoughts */ Spelling mistake (sorry I noticed and tried to ignore but I had to)
> 1555530658 667574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61266&oldid=61264 5* 03Helen 5* (+189) 10New suggestion for 1 algorithm
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< 1555530748 497086 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1.016
< 1555530767 803378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ %0.0254
< 1555530768 553380 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 39.3701
> 1555530894 616925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61267&oldid=61266 5* 03Helen 5* (+0) 10
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> 1555532148 108232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61268&oldid=61265 5* 03Helen 5* (+1) 10/* [Unsuccessful] Combined attempt by User:A and User:Helen */ Changed title to be more useful
> 1555532155 208495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61269&oldid=61268 5* 03Helen 5* (+11) 10/* [Unsuccessful] Compilation to Z3 by User:A and User:Helen */
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< 1555533852 791701 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my φ
< 1555533856 990859 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wrong
< 1555533897 980665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the other phi
< 1555534007 278406 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah at 3d5 ϕ
< 1555534017 579276 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that apparently is the wrong way around?
< 1555534151 25411 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh wikipedia doesn't clearly say whether 3d5 is the loopy phi or 3c6!
< 1555534239 734050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ϕφ
< 1555534250 469076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ϕφ
< 1555534251 131921 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+03D5 GREEK PHI SYMBOL] [U+03C6 GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI]
< 1555534254 81348 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is this fucking thing: ᵠ which is called MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI
< 1555534268 345873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :small phi looks loopy here hth
< 1555534286 872794 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on wikipedia I see a fucking PSI not a PHI
< 1555534330 743828 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵠ
< 1555534331 967213 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+1D60 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI]
< 1555534478 354758 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what the fuck Calibri
< 1555534670 264216 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do I report a mistake in Calibri
< 1555534720 775332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use `complain [your complaint]
< 1555534901 848807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints
< 1555534902 455195 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 share/Complaints.mp3
< 1555535499 111218 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does something like this even happen
< 1555535628 476146 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and notget discovered for 5 years in one of the most popular typefaces in the world
< 1555535660 703910 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no. calibri came out in 2007
< 1555535666 318318 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 years
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< 1555536281 878763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: how do you know it didn't get discovered in 12 years? do you think that if it had been realized, an updated version of the font would have gotten to you by now?
< 1555536345 989769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`\
< 1555536346 752015 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: \: not found
< 1555536593 20193 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the calibri I have is from very recently installed MS Office
< 1555536699 854895 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the string ψϕφᵠ here: https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/calibri
< 1555536731 631261 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is the office installer recent too? because I could install twenty year old software very recently if I wanted.
< 1555536739 200161 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry sorry
< 1555536752 385409 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid mathematician question
< 1555536755 783831 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1555536820 750688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-83.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have verified that all of it comes from Calibri, not from replacement fonts, right?
< 1555536890 817449 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1555536898 623562 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's version Version 5.62
< 1555536953 238958 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is not the most recent version
< 1555536977 223271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/calibri view for just ϕφ is /so weird/. All the four possible different combinations of loopiness are there.
< 1555537006 897508 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1555537018 407995 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/phi-characters-in-calibri-font-on-windows-78/e47e42d9-cc6a-4643-af1f-ae38a867575c
< 1555537030 915827 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that Phi-related issue was already reported
< 1555537063 91994 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hasn't been solved as of windows 10
< 1555537134 911317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was sort of a note on this in the Unicode code charts, last I was looking this up.
< 1555537155 550405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :03C6 GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI: "the ordinary Greek letter, showing considerable glyph variation".
< 1555537207 264456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ "in mathematical contexts, the loopy glyph is preferred, to contrast with 03D5".
< 1555537236 904019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notes for 03D5 GREEP PHY SYMBOL on the other hand explicitly say "used as a technical symbol, with a stroked glyph".
< 1555537267 365673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...GREEP PHY.
< 1555537269 247966 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got a response from a guy from Microsoft. "Hello, Thank you for reporting this issue. It has been forwarded to the appropriate team within Microsoft."
< 1555537422 993893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An euphemism, no doubt.
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< 1555537467 908323 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just fwiw, I reproduced here easily. Other fonts in the stable have"
< 1555537469 18334 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct glyphs, and it may be just the Calibri regular body font.
< 1555537485 724692 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :says some guy with an @microsoft.com address
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< 1555541252 768363 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :joining for the phi talk, interesting Unicode issue
< 1555541279 936810 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/03d5/index.htm had an 'Old name' of "GREEK SMALL LETTER SCRIPT PHI", which suggests to me the curly form. Checking up on what this means in specs, looks like Unicode 1.0 U+03D5 was called "GREEK SMALL LETTER SCRIPT PHI", was the curly one, with a note "used as a technical symbol". In 1.1 the name was changed to "GREEK PHI SYMBOL" which represents the technical symbol sense, but looses t
< 1555541547 502596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to say for the record that despite User:A being involved, bitch is actually an interesting language
< 1555541569 519841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it probably /is/ TC, but the proof may require you to do something silly like shifting the accumuluator by itself
< 1555541594 243640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…come to think of it, maybe that isn't so silly, you could probably use it as a modulo test?
< 1555541642 305650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: Yes, I didn't notice the answers.microsoft.com also linked to the long story, namely UTR 25 https://unicode.org/reports/tr25/ "2.3.1 Representative Glyphs for Greek Phi" which describes how they swapped the representative glyphs around Unicode 3.0.
< 1555541651 165335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is clearly only useful for initialization as it brings the entire virtual machine to a known state
< 1555541672 588712 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My take is that in 1.0 U+03d5 must be curly, in 1.1 I don't think you can say which the correct glyph for either U+03D5 or U+03C6 is. U+03C6 makes more sense to be curly, because that is the "modern" written form, but for symbol golden ratio requires closed form, while other uses require curly
< 1555541804 182349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem is that the only actual conditional that exists in the language checks to see if the accumulator is 0, which makes the language a PDA if you stick entirely to bit-at-a-time operations…
< 1555541846 944916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From UTR 25: "For mathematical and technical use, the straight form ϕ of the /small phi/ is an important symbol (TEX \phi) and needs to be consistently distinguishable from the loopy form (TEX \varphi). The straight form phi glyph ϕ is used as the representative glyph for the /phi symbol/ at U+03D5 to satisfy this distinction."
< 1555541863 959293 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hadn't actually read that, I was just figuring it out from the old 1.0 spec, this looks like good info. I may have assumed the change happened in 1.1 in my previous msg.
< 1555541907 306190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes on to at least strongly imply U+03D5 must be straight, and says of U+03C6 that "fonts used primarily for Greek text may use either glyph form -- but fonts that also intend to support technical use of the Greek letters should use the loopy form".
< 1555541917 556729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To summarize: characters are hard.
< 1555542009 333502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Unicode would have been way better off if it consistently encoded (script, shape) pairs, with the two halves being independent where they made sense to be
< 1555542020 596938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, "technical, phi" and "Greek, phi" wouldn't have to share rules at all
< 1555542030 88374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this would also work pretty well for CJK, Cyrillic versus Latin, etc.)
< 1555542043 184148 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: agree, characters are hard. From wikipedia the phi article looks to me like probability theory distinguishes between curly phi and old-phi: " probability density function of the normal distribution" vs "characteristic function of a random variable X"
< 1555542050 57190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two letters which were visually similar would be given the same "shape" even if they had an entirely different meaning (with the script telling them apart)
< 1555542111 385782 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also the Turkish dotted i murders
< 1555542205 496474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, this plan fixes Turkish i too
< 1555542243 71824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uppercase of (Latin, dotted I) is I (i.e. (Latin, dotless capital I)), and the uppercase of (Turkish, dotted I) is İ (i.e. (Turkish, dotted capital I))
< 1555542256 854939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on a quick grep, I've never used \phi and \varphi in the same .tex file.
< 1555542358 131472 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fix would be to add another meaningful symbol character if curly-phi and old-straight-phi are really meaningfully different symbols, and Greek letter phi can still have either/any glyph.
< 1555542464 649064 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technical phi seems overloaded currently, as there are two different technical phis you might want to represent
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< 1555542605 894701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER TAILLESS PHI
< 1555542608 57613 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⱷ
< 1555542672 846301 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agree re. bitch being interesting, I was trying last night to create BCT using the commands. I don't think it is TC as any useful operation you can do to the accumulator ends up destroying it, and the bit-shifting, while tantalising, doesn't actually help
< 1555542707 639919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: the problem, from my point of view, is more trying to shift data /out/ of the bit storage
< 1555542722 733073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can store arbitrary amounts of data in there, but I can't see any way to figure out how much you have to be able to retrieve it
< 1555542736 565426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, nondestructively, at least
< 1555542749 631291 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted I wasn't trying super hard, but since I can't _proove_ it isn't TC, I'm just going to state opinions in chat FWIW...
< 1555542858 489023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...brainfuck was the features language on the wiki for pretty much my entire time at uni <-- it symbolizes how your brain got well and truly fucked hth
< 1555542912 464951 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly, that was my experience, you can move bits back and forth, but there is nowhere else to store anything -- I don't think there is a way to simulate two registers, or access both ends for BCT, it still just a single accumulator
< 1555542960 577359 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels close, and that's what makes it interesting I guess. It's not obvious it's not TC, and feels like there could be a trick. I'm not sure I want to spend more time on it though!
< 1555543013 817100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be TC if there were a way to do an if statement based on the bottom bit, that'd let you so something High Rise-ish
< 1555543019 556158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do
< 1555543034 475950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly the same, but a similar principle behind the TCness
< 1555543131 996810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh: can't you just simulate a 1D cellular automaton?
< 1555543179 799743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 110 seems trivial to write in this, as does simulating an infinite repeating pattern at one end; unfortunately, the rule 110 TCness proof requires a repeating pattern at /both/ ends
< 1555543202 511481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we aren't limited to neighbourhoods of size 1, so just pick a more complex automaton that works from a blank tape
< 1555543236 546056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem at this point is the lack of parentheses in expressions…
< 1555543256 20665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have enough power to write automata but maybe not all automata
< 1555543259 151879 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there other candidates other than 110?
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< 1555543294 872111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: in terms of size-1-neighbourhood, and not counting rules that are symmetrically equivalent, rule 30 is the other main candidate, its TCness is unknown
< 1555543359 224786 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's the random number generating one
< 1555543366 562778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :al
< 1555543371 670110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*allegedly it's not a very good RNG
< 1555543376 644590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Mathematica uses it as one, yes
< 1555543499 457031 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that seems like a more promising avenue. All the talk about loops and conditionals didn't seem like the main obstacle. The Z3 article was an interesting addition to the wiki, but I don't see how helped that much with bitch. CA seems worthwhile to pursue further
< 1555543563 761069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't use conditionals you pretty much have to use a ZISC, and cellular automata are about all you can manage in terms of a ZISC on a single string of bits
< 1555543574 336629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a separate pointer into it
< 1555543690 658563 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of noise on the bitch TC talk page, but it does seem like a legitimately interesting question. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so
< 1555543775 373223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next problem is how to actually do the CA steps using only operations of the form a @= a << k and a @= a >> k, for constant k and @ representing and/or/xor
< 1555543804 985567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that you place the bits onto the tape in a very spread-out way, and possibly use some sort of Golomb ruler to make the correct bits interact
< 1555543862 65952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being, how do you prevent the unused tape elements from interfering with the ones you want to use?
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< 1555544062 616498 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to prove something isn't TC? I feel it's down to the "2"ness of needing at least two registers or counters for a Minsky machine, and any number of equivalent TC formulations, you need two distinct places for some kind of manipulation, and bitch only gives you one, maybe one and a bit
< 1555544105 99625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure for CAs, because they sort of ignore the halting thing
< 1555544110 574629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is very low-powered, you can normally prove it sub-TC either with a state-counting argument or the pumping lemma
< 1555544123 179287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, for more powerful languages like PDAs and LBAs, that's much harder
< 1555544146 704359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for things that clearly halt, proving you can decide halting is a way
< 1555544152 737333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can prove that there's something a language can't do, that normally proves it sub-TC, but it's hard to make that work
< 1555544153 755386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clearly halt or not
< 1555544160 576175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, proving decidability also works
< 1555544182 159253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can have a language with no explicit halt state that's still T/C (e.g. the I/D machine), you have to define some other way to observe output though
< 1555544204 887138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally the halt state compiles to some sort of tight loop
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< 1555544391 334652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the problem being, how do you prevent the unused tape elements from interfering with the ones you want to use? <-- maybe you can place bits strategically to allow post-cleanup after each round
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< 1555544709 589242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the bigger problem seems to be the fact that you only have one bitshift per statement
< 1555544837 377301 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for bugs or unspecified helpful behaviour in the interpreters was another avenue I thought of, but is cheaty. I only tried the TIO version to get a feel for how helpful the bit shift was
< 1555544969 152183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : *kʷos? <-- no bitcoin, settle for pie?
< 1555545046 614911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't actually looked carefully at Bitch. and is afraid of looking at the latest talk page edits.
< 1555545088 509640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ₿
< 1555545089 650496 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555545096 821512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ₿
< 1555545097 932500 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555545125 105674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls share/U*
< 1555545127 662564 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :share/UnicodeData.txt
< 1555545132 421146 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language stands alone and is easy enough to understand, some of the examples are probably distracting too, but the basic spec is fine
< 1555545136 145757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag share/UnicodeData.txt
< 1555545137 856794 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11561:2018-05-15 fetch share/UnicodeData.txt http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt \ 11560:2018-05-15 ` hg cat -r 11537 share/UnicodeData.txt >share/UnicodeData.txt \ 11538:2018-05-01 fetch share/UnicodeData.txt ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt \ 8622:2016-06-27 ` mv Unic* share \ 6553:2016-01-13 ` mv share/UnicodeD{*,ata.txt}
< 1555545160 141961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch share/UnicodeData.txt http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt
< 1555545164 895800 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019-04-17 23:52:44 URL:http://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt [1797715/1797715] -> "share/UnicodeData.txt" [1]
< 1555545172 107397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ₿
< 1555545173 364611 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555545176 79292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1555545199 625212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's apparently wrong.
< 1555545204 272350 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555545214 404507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ₿
< 1555545214 461006 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 130 191
< 1555545222 663280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ord ₿
< 1555545223 425733 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8383
< 1555545234 834032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ₿
< 1555545235 798461 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x82\xbf' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555545244 475922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1555545248 315735 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1555545251 639855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been seen before
< 1555545260 605177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? snowman
< 1555545261 637732 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :snowman? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555545268 298534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haiku
< 1555545269 361919 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :🀨や⛄
< 1555545283 386381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⛄
< 1555545284 375139 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x9b\x84' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555545290 306209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode ⛄
< 1555545291 100987 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW]
< 1555545318 183016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode ⛄
< 1555545319 144221 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x9b\x84' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555545331 529111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot quite remember if that used to work.
< 1555545417 430372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` icode ₿ | cat -v
< 1555545418 714279 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555545444 307729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` icode ₿ | hexdump
< 1555545445 640343 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555545478 729906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they haven't updated that file.
< 1555545496 248564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but putty shows the character just fine :(
< 1555545852 7443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/multicode
< 1555545853 499123 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/multicode
< 1555545867 32043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/unidecode
< 1555545867 805885 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/unidecode
< 1555545930 147837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`singlecode ₿
< 1555545931 154967 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555545973 144798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1555545978 594577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode ₿
< 1555545979 717792 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x82\xbf' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555545987 714083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hit by that
< 1555546008 477877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $LANG
< 1555546009 228134 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555546018 196535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale
< 1555546018 952811 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG= \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="POSIX" \ LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" \ LC_TIME="POSIX" \ LC_COLLATE="POSIX" \ LC_MONETARY="POSIX" \ LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" \ LC_PAPER="POSIX" \ LC_NAME="POSIX" \ LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" \ LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" \ LC_ALL=
< 1555546030 941189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale
< 1555546031 626280 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG= \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="POSIX" \ LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" \ LC_TIME="POSIX" \ LC_COLLATE="POSIX" \ LC_MONETARY="POSIX" \ LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" \ LC_PAPER="POSIX" \ LC_NAME="POSIX" \ LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" \ LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" \ LC_ALL=
< 1555546038 920780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 locale
< 1555546039 888901 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1:
< 1555546070 755020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure there used to be something nz-ish there...
< 1555546077 295517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale
< 1555546078 101760 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL=
< 1555546097 715123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` multicode ₿
< 1555546098 818361 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x82\xbf' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555546102 293783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` multicode ₿
< 1555546103 411553 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xe2\x82\xbf' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555546132 766984 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 🐑
< 1555546133 758162 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequence '\xf0\x9f\x90\x91' is not valid in charset 'ANSI_X3.4-1968'.
< 1555546149 167113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 multicode ₿
< 1555546150 220711 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN \ UTF-8: e2 82 bf UTF-16BE: 20bf Decimal: ₿ \ ₿ \ Category: Sc (Symbol, Currency) \ Bidi: ET (European Number Terminator)
< 1555546156 98891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1555546217 466138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HackEso's default locale is no longer nz-ish and that breaks unicode stuff
< 1555546238 92869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_CTYPE=nz_.UTF-8 icode ₿
< 1555546239 238541 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (): No such file or directory
< 1555546244 361101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1555546254 186791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 icode ₿
< 1555546255 429221 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN]
< 1555546265 271856 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now someone is contacting the guy who originally designed Calibri?
< 1555546280 378509 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is even
< 1555546285 721920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to edit the line into the nz version, didn't know the full format, then left the line in irssi
< 1555546289 628832 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that big a deal
< 1555546441 490715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: anyway, found out why `unidecode ₿ wasn't working, locale has become unset.
< 1555546535 120288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry for my connection
< 1555546543 635617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_CTYPE=en_NZ.UTF-8 icode ₿
< 1555546544 965570 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN]
< 1555546551 123800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555546556 108497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's still there. or at least not erring out.
> 1555546895 357380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mov14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61272&oldid=43770 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+26) 10/* References */ Wayback archive of this mov paper, via [[Talk:Z3]]
< 1555546897 963328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom baba
< 1555546898 682426 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not wise.
< 1555547808 756582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i #define CASE break; case  #define DEFAULT break; default
< 1555548297 443339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is «switch(i) { break; }» valid syntax?
< 1555548303 954700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is yes but it produces a warning?
< 1555548329 289688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c switch(4) { case 4: puts("Hello, world!"); break; }
< 1555548329 828821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No warning when I tried.
< 1555548331 954834 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1555548336 637144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c switch(4) { break; case 4: puts("Hello, world!"); break; }
< 1555548338 90765 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1555548348 497244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c switch(4) { puts("Unreachable!"); break; case 4: puts("Hello, world!"); break; }
< 1555548349 985271 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1555548357 108792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess `! c doesn't show warnings anyway
< 1555548363 933850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang has a warning with -Weverything
< 1555548382 820653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: 'break' will never be executed [-Wunreachable-code-break]
< 1555548392 608230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that warns about lots of things I don't care about.
< 1555548467 219098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -Wall -Wextra -O3 warns about unreachable code at the start of a switch statement, but not about unreachable break statements in that position
< 1555548513 213653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just start using this.
< 1555548524 180674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my test: https://tio.run/##VYo9C8IwFEX3/IpnXVIwItjJiLObo3N8iW3wNZF8WEH6141BJ4d7OfdwUfSIpSytQ8rawD4mbf16ODDrEozKOv7wVrfwYgBxsgkH3v0WwCUYdZMVUUUD3e4r7zlF3hwNkV/B5APpRdPK//9cE0zKwcFGsrmUN15J9bGIsyKqbZ4pqCJO2w8
< 1555548536 178407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could #define Case break; case and #define OrCase case, and then forbid the string "case"
< 1555548545 620847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And similarly for default.
< 1555548580 830014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc and clang both have enablable warnings about fallthroughs without an appropriate comment
< 1555548618 254803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but the code with breaks still looks ugly.
< 1555548748 866230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc on godbolt doesn't print any warnings for your code.
< 1555548755 301017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With those flags, at version 8.3?
< 1555548762 744403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the tio.run compiler output.
< 1555548831 801371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at the bottom
< 1555548837 300345 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1555548841 852334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the "Debug" section
< 1555548846 751975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only there isn't any with this code
< 1555548865 850899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean it warns for non-break code.
< 1555548865 930562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put a statement before the first break;, you'll see compiler warnings there
< 1555548877 604590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1555548891 171081 :mich181189_!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvlktsgdewlciknj JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555549338 776600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It might have something to do with the changes I made while setting up the IRC_* environment variables.
< 1555549359 666788 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-oyzjrhybrcocvgbu QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1555549360 631718 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vbhrokcvzhfceeeg QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1555549361 173027 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1555549364 100948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There was something special about the locale-setting, something like it not being part of the Bitbucket'd code but a local customization instead.
< 1555549364 182700 :mich181189_!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvlktsgdewlciknj NICK :mich181189
< 1555549390 689262 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555549469 992381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ₿
< 1555549471 365640 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1555549478 112923 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1555549482 302276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ä
< 1555549483 14163 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+00E4 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS]
< 1555549495 541244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I never noticed because unidecode is explicitly UTF-8.
< 1555549518 3423 :economicsbat!~eb@128.199.111.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1555549603 434831 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555549640 153442 :economicsbat!~eb@128.199.111.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555549650 607640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or, uh, odd.
< 1555549703 971204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right: it has a fallback.
< 1555549779 132575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's explicitly UTF-8 except when the Python version's unicodedata.name is unable to decode the character, in which case it falls back to bin/singlecode, which is a wrapper around bin/multicode, which is locale-aware.
< 1555549832 553998 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wycakmqbkizsjhaa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555549865 801877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Favourite switch trick: replacing `if (x == 4) foo();` with `switch (x) case 4: foo();`.
< 1555549891 380200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A non-block switch body just looks odd.
< 1555550275 332018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ₿
< 1555550276 551522 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN]
< 1555550277 268038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale
< 1555550278 111473 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG= \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" \ LC_TIME="POSIX" \ LC_COLLATE="POSIX" \ LC_MONETARY="POSIX" \ LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" \ LC_PAPER="POSIX" \ LC_NAME="POSIX" \ LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" \ LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" \ LC_ALL=
< 1555550288 4058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just set LC_CTYPE for now, I don't remember how it used to be.
< 1555551684 404834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1555551912 477710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looks like it was most except LC_ALL : https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-06-02.html#lIc
< 1555551931 350336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and LANGUAGE
< 1555551975 360314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that probably means LANG was set explicitly.
< 1555552011 694795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` env -u LC_CTYPE LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 locale
< 1555552012 502873 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ALL=
< 1555552021 640047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks about the same.
< 1555552028 384422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's swap it to that then.
< 1555552035 956302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/``
< 1555552036 895885 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl
< 1555552064 139755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale
< 1555552064 793521 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ALL=
< 1555552091 317068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ``` is some evidence for it not having been more than LANG
< 1555552111 984985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I also remember it only setting one variable.
< 1555552158 257742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I couldn't relocate the original HackEgo stuff anywhere to check.)
< 1555554601 193399 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:dce:d5cb:b1c3:1dfd QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1555555070 169163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this Case thing is great.
< 1555555646 315280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do people use titlecase for in C, anyway?
< 1555555702 264862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it for types.
< 1555555709 388718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also for these keyword macros.
< 1555555721 488801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have Struct/Union/Enum
< 1555555751 572315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "cast" and "global" which are just defined to be nothing. Maybe I should make the case consistent.
< 1555555822 164513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also enum values for some reason? Probably Haskell-derived.
< 1555555955 45143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
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< 1555559084 909510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas's habit of linking entire week logs from the wiki + the case insensitivity issue in IE i've mentioned before means i cannot easily check whether his anchors are right :(
< 1555559181 864513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on single day logs i usually manage to find the highlighting by paging down a bit)
< 1555559224 112494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is that IE can't find the anchor if there's another one that's case-insensitively equal?
> 1555559231 882852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BANCStar14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61273&oldid=61199 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10/* Implementation */ Fix bug (presumably)
< 1555560043 447043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one that's earlier, yes
< 1555560169 956534 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1555561601 772463 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61274&oldid=61244 5* 03A 5* (-176) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1555561683 953823 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61275&oldid=61270 5* 03A 5* (+115) 10/* [Ongoing] Compilation to Home Row by User:Helen and User:A */
< 1555561702 235221 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555565328 299512 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1555574175 55771 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
> 1555575438 73383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61276&oldid=61267 5* 03A 5* (+156) 10
> 1555575471 8195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Volatile14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61277&oldid=60906 5* 03A 5* (+60) 10/* Number tricks */
> 1555575480 17829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61278&oldid=61276 5* 03A 5* (-711) 10Blanked the page
> 1555575497 911241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61279&oldid=61250 5* 03A 5* (-1604) 10Blanked the page
< 1555575551 910314 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
> 1555575652 67658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Works in progress14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61280&oldid=61157 5* 03A 5* (-16) 10
> 1555575746 186366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61281&oldid=61275 5* 03A 5* (-15) 10/* [Unsuccessful] Compilation to Z3 derivative by User:A and User:Helen */
> 1555575839 54048 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61282&oldid=61281 5* 03A 5* (+7) 10Comment out a wrong attempt(because the space for this page is valuable)
> 1555575902 660776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61283&oldid=61282 5* 03A 5* (-427) 10
> 1555577348 926291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61284&oldid=61197 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+42) 10Added an idea.
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< 1555578821 217452 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555578875 236861 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas's habit of linking entire week logs => ah, sorry. that's because I search in those. I should probably translate the urls to single-day logs.
< 1555578915 369970 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if the case-insensitivity really produces bugs in a browser you use, then perhaps you should replace the browser or modify the logs pace.
< 1555579416 972229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to replace the browser eventually.
< 1555579439 808550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the log anchors are supposed to be permanent.
< 1555579544 949524 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true. you can have multiple anchors at the same place, but the DOM for the mothly archives is already big, so there's a cost for that.
< 1555579562 299853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can probably write a short script to scroll to an anchor case-sensitively in IE.
< 1555579568 758311 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use a different browser (like a text editor) just for this purpose, without changing the normal browser
< 1555579570 332725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write it but I don't have access to IE.
< 1555579618 378744 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this depend on the version of IE?
< 1555579927 565055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version is the latest.
< 1555579941 314413 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1555580085 772104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i usually do is look for the automatically highlighted text, which is fast enough in the daily logs.
< 1555580109 990370 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so that one works, only the anchor doesn't?
< 1555580111 293525 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1555580119 538012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the highlighting works, right.
< 1555580162 725923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What if you type "document.querySelector('#lIc').scrollIntoView()" into the JavaScript console?
< 1555580366 284134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what #lIc )
< 1555580404 242294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:45 fizzie: looks like it was most except LC_ALL : https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-06-02.html#lIc
< 1555580416 246076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that wasn't a monthly link or a b_jonaslink.
< 1555580517 817501 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think that means that the LANG env-var was set, which is the default for locale facets where the corresponding env-vars are set, but the locale program shows the effective locale for those facets.
< 1555580523 102612 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` loacle
< 1555580524 832756 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale
< 1555580525 168108 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: loacle: command not found
< 1555580526 877159 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL=
< 1555580542 250218 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` export LANG=de_DE.utf8; locale
< 1555580543 230511 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory \ LANG=de_DE.utf8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_TIME="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_COLLATE="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_MONETARY="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_PAPER="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_NAME="de_DE.utf8" \ LC_
< 1555580545 723922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read the logs or anything about that line except the link.
< 1555580546 354885 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ see
< 1555580556 295953 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noly set the LANG variable
< 1555580594 936110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm that javascript worked, but _not_ the corresponding for b_jonas's link.
< 1555580612 979733 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for LC_ALL, that's both an ovverrider env-var that you rarely use, and the key in the setlocale function to set or get the locale for all facets, and when you get it that way, you get a string that encodes the setting for each locale facet
< 1555580622 487795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which link?
< 1555580718 274172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the one in BANCStar
< 1555580737 548867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: fizzie already solved the LANG problem
< 1555580750 644281 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean THAT link. I should replace that.
< 1555580753 255366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ``` explicitly selects LANG=C so it still won't work for that
> 1555580846 923079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BANCStar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61285&oldid=61273 5* 03B jonas 5* (+2) 10/* Implementation */
< 1555580864 373260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What does it do on the b_jonaslink?
< 1555580894 182346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what does document.querySelectorAll('#lHPb') print?
< 1555580930 664700 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all this fancy querySelectorAll thing?
< 1555580942 986555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: complains in norwegian about the scrollIntoView property not existing (possibly because the querySelector returns NULL, the message is ambiguous)
< 1555580965 652218 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you just document.getElementById("IHPb"), which, mind you, also is a "new" javascript DOM function in that I wrote code back before it existed, but still
< 1555581010 281844 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/getElementById
< 1555581015 817114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i may have replaced it wrong, let me try again
< 1555581030 266309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, that's better. I was going to use querySelectorAll earlier.
< 1555581037 855572 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. crazy CSS stuff.
< 1555581039 637108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway who even knows about web APIs?
< 1555581062 152158 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have links to documentation about them, and wrote a short javascript function at least once.
< 1555581092 937862 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was lots of years ago, when browsers were very different
< 1555581104 237639 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I cared about portability to browsers that are now very ancient
< 1555581132 581000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it actually worked without All, i had just accidentally capitalized the L in the anchor :P
< 1555581148 67055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because i edited it by hand)
< 1555581164 895019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1555581169 541189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should use wob_jonas's thing.
< 1555581177 392725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell wob_jonas is a wob expert.
< 1555581194 535831 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this terrible ancient code was that => https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=841827
< 1555581351 635874 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? anchovy
< 1555581352 722721 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anchovy? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555581353 639086 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? anchovies
< 1555581354 903832 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anchovies? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555581415 844084 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1555581586 18087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saves the js snippet in a ridiculous place
< 1555581617 963648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+but convenient
< 1555581653 297360 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the wisdome? on the logs website itself?
< 1555581696 687180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in my Scratch.hs file
< 1555581710 635044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's almost always open.
< 1555581715 460340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can make a bookmark with "document.querySelector(location.hash).scrollIntoView()" or something like that.
< 1555581722 581395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then just click on that?
< 1555581733 509366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1555583353 675711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just add something like that on the page. I was just assuming you wouldn't need any scripting to scroll to the location.
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< 1555583651 608442 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is a reasonable assumption
< 1555583760 124197 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 7
< 1555583762 235015 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is one third of the half of the answer. Also a somewhat popular reformed Borg drone.
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> 1555586279 392143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61286&oldid=61283 5* 03A 5* (+323) 10/* Bitch is probably Turing-incomplete */
> 1555586385 489887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61287&oldid=61286 5* 03A 5* (+65) 10Add my signature
> 1555586458 703429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61288&oldid=61287 5* 03A 5* (-7) 10/* No, it might be */
> 1555586519 520180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61289&oldid=61288 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+334) 10
> 1555586617 391223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61290&oldid=61289 5* 03A 5* (+304) 10/* Bitch is probably Turing-incomplete */
> 1555586670 808491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61291&oldid=61290 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* Bitch is probably Turing-incomplete */
> 1555586827 801684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61292&oldid=61291 5* 03A 5* (-322) 10Let User:TuxCrafting focus on the next comment
> 1555586938 501031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61293&oldid=61292 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+386) 10
> 1555587025 661404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Z314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61294&oldid=61230 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10
> 1555587313 325170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61295&oldid=61249 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10/* Impossible */
> 1555587517 839687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61296&oldid=61029 5* 03A 5* (-436) 10
< 1555587654 889754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe it could be because it's a and not an old-fashioned
that it's jumping to.
> 1555587883 249901 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61297&oldid=61293 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+468) 10
< 1555587900 363264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I should've made the line ids all lowercase. :/
< 1555587969 308267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like they're all that long anyway.
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> 1555590254 119781 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61298&oldid=61274 5* 03A 5* (-651) 10bitch is not worth featured.
< 1555590460 660340 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :either or id="" should work with anchor links
< 1555590480 247800 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I might be missing context here perhaps
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< 1555592424 334708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The context is that it all works on many browsers, with the exception of IE, where (AIUI) the scrolling doesn't work and the anchors are considered case-insensitive. Actually, I guess those might be the same problem? I haven't paid too much attention either.
< 1555592445 313022 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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> 1555593391 263345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61299&oldid=61297 5* 03A 5* (-367) 10/* Bitch is probably Turing-incomplete */
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> 1555595208 236797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Laundry shop14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61300 5* 03A 5* (+93) 10Created page with " [[Category:2019]] [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Unimplemented]] [[Category:Stack-based]]"
> 1555595567 599741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Laundry shop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61301&oldid=61300 5* 03A 5* (+453) 10
> 1555595595 979928 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Laundry shop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61302&oldid=61301 5* 03A 5* (+41) 10
> 1555595661 806970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Laundry shop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61303&oldid=61302 5* 03A 5* (+90) 10/* Syntax */
> 1555595678 889809 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Laundry shop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61304&oldid=61303 5* 03A 5* (-50) 10/* Syntax */
> 1555595688 934458 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Laundry shop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61305&oldid=61304 5* 03A 5* (-55) 10/* Hello, world! program */
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> 1555600314 203847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TuxCrafting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61306&oldid=61194 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+516) 10
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< 1555607058 937017 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu TOPIC #esoteric :for #esoteric: Welcome to the international stock market for esoteric programming language invention, implementation, ignorance, innovation, and integration! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1555607071 589349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we want that old version of wisdom.pdf in the topic by the way?
< 1555607286 664631 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy World Amateur Radio Day!
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> 1555609453 795620 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Singingbanana14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61307&oldid=57634 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (-1) 10
> 1555610330 439833 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fastlane14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61308 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+4311) 10Created page with "== Introduction == Fastlane is an esoteric language created by [[User:TuxCrafting]] that has a peculiar way of doing flow control by controlling the "speed" of the instructio..."
> 1555610466 514213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fastlane14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61309&oldid=61308 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+108) 10categorize
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> 1555610693 469991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61310&oldid=61193 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+15) 10add fastlane
> 1555610737 426628 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:TuxCrafting14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61311&oldid=61306 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+15) 10here too
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< 1555617697 567215 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? freischütz
< 1555617698 763778 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :freischütz? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1555630834 285956 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1555631912 871137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :america is strange
< 1555632000 107738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*earth
< 1555632088 94177 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure is
< 1555632091 922917 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it particularly?
< 1555632122 184817 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :little random stuff all the time, whenever I read or watch anything about america on the internet
< 1555632144 832200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how they have keyholes mounted such that the cut part of the key faces up, rather than down
< 1555632233 60765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically, it's only because you're biased to think hungary is normal
< 1555632239 80748 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1555632364 927032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that surprised me here is that all apartment doors open towards the inside, while in Finland they all open towards the outside. (Well, "outside", I mean the staircase/corridor, but outside of the apartment anyway.)
< 1555632397 979973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? america
< 1555632398 300901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : FireFly: The context is that it all works on many browsers, with the exception of IE, where (AIUI) the scrolling doesn't work and the anchors are considered case-insensitive. Actually, I guess those might be the same problem? I haven't paid too much attention either. <-- yep, it scrolls, but to the first case-insensitive match
< 1555632399 113784 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry had to be removed due to a DMCA takedown notice.
< 1555632425 557520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did the workaround work?
< 1555632431 188099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1555632439 458278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing-gödel
< 1555632500 594167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see. I did consider setting up a second set of non-case-sensitive anchors, using those "by default" (as in, for the links you get when you click on the nickname), and then including the old "l..." anchors only in older pages that may or may not have been linked to before. But that seems like a bit of a bother.
< 1555632507 319846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm pretty sure opening towards the outside is a fire safety requirement at least in norway. there was a very famous church fire where lots of people died because they didn't.
< 1555632544 598977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Public buildings I think do it here too, but private apartment exterior doors are different.
< 1555632578 186729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_Church_fire
< 1555632608 902760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose.
< 1555632700 873001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet seems to have a bunch of articles about this, but no conclusive answers.
< 1555632707 608969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why do front doors open out in Sweden?"
< 1555632770 438598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They suggest it's because you get less snow inside when the door opens outwards.
< 1555632841 214999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of these odd little "it's mostly arbitrary, and they just do it differently here" things.
< 1555632934 508000 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: exactly. like how in some strange places, even in Europe, light switches are at waist height, not at shoulder height.
< 1555633135 717583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my light switches are waist height.
< 1555633170 441483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones here are sort of chest-height.
< 1555633172 599757 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, since when are light switches anywhere near shoulder height?
< 1555633184 764969 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's about chest height.
< 1555633210 768084 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit lower than that, but above waist height.
< 1555633226 135988 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light switches here are kinda at... convenient to operate with hands height?
< 1555633321 540462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungarians always use their noses hth
< 1555633334 430989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very practical when carrying something.
< 1555633344 702306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another surprise: kerbside collection of trash.
< 1555633361 343138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn kerb
< 1555633362 636023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "kerb" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1555633362 691922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerb
< 1555633362 756686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: an edge between a sidewalk and a roadway consisting of a
< 1555633362 756727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : line of curbstones (usually forming part of a gutter) [syn:
< 1555633362 756743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : {curb}, {curbing}, {kerb}]
< 1555633381 774200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in Finland I don't think that happens anywhere, it's always a bin of some sort.
< 1555633390 250326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1555633395 661783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is just piles of bags on the streets.
< 1555633401 325012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1555633474 42548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think here christmas trees are just put on the curb next to the bin, as a special case once a year.
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< 1555633509 200665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may have been more lenient about it before started charging people based on their bin size
< 1555633517 477783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+they
< 1555633532 242528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "kerbside collection" might also mean that thing where you have your own house with a driveway and a smaller bin where it meets the street, which does happen in Finland too, especially in less urban areas.
< 1555633574 464259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here it's bags on the pavement where pedestrians walk.
< 1555633625 238065 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bins are usually used here, with certain exceptions
< 1555633746 491803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where i live now has underground containers, which may not have been such a good idea because the one for paper is clearly undersized.
< 1555633766 327380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I've seen those in France, and also some in Sweden
< 1555633793 42610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the garbage truck comes and lifts up the whole thing
< 1555633806 455543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these those round things?
< 1555633810 104782 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifting up happens here too, but not from underground
< 1555633811 753632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-54.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes
< 1555633851 707297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get them in Finland too, for some reason especially harbours.
< 1555633858 684267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen any here.
< 1555633896 443114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Molok®-waste containers"
< 1555633910 330897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were cubical but i may not have been paying attention. on top there's a token-triggered automaton to open it
< 1555633919 282878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a "Genuine and original Deep Collection® method".
< 1555633944 314045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.molok.com/
< 1555633964 871871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are others too, and looks like Molok has cubical ones as well.
< 1555634021 540499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not our brand.
< 1555634094 404419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure the ones I've seen are genuine Molok products, but my father calls all of them that anyway.
< 1555634148 283922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I didn't know it was a brand, I always thought the name was some sort of reference to Moloch.
< 1555634174 355491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite sure how that would work, mythologically speaking.
< 1555634284 459812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a Finnish company so makes sense I'd've seen them there.)
< 1555634437 770102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen moloks elsewhere in down (i found the name amusing because moloch)
< 1555634441 718626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*town
< 1555634640 438560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from google images i conclude there are way too many brands.
< 1555634803 74687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once borrowed a van from Melkisedek Oy. The hand brake didn't work, and instead of the owner's manual there was a Bible in the glove box.
< 1555634816 90128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, it was very cheap.
< 1555635042 997175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah searching on the local garbage collection website found a picture https://trv.no/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/nedgravd_container--800x600@2x.jpg
< 1555635104 617513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly the same
< 1555635107 739746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict
< 1555635219 972736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think melkisedek at least was a supposedly good guy
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< 1555636000 238346 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : HO HH
< 1555636000 367821 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HCCOCCH
< 1555636001 45854 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : H HH
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< 1555657154 632277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no surprise in girl genius's final panel
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> 1555663732 873342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fastlane14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61312&oldid=61309 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+2764) 10add tc proof
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> 1555670933 511097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61313&oldid=61279 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1604) 10Undo revision 61279 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]): please do not blank other users' talk pages
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> 1555675496 256001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61314&oldid=61298 5* 03A 5* (+651) 10Undo revision 61298 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]])
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> 1555675698 31779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61315&oldid=61314 5* 03A 5* (+107) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1555675961 438910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61316&oldid=61315 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10/* List of candidates */
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< 1555686501 819258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1555686501 902510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 191450Z AUTO 06008KT 010V090 9999 NCD 23/04 Q1028 NOSIG
< 1555686506 955486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ridiculous.
< 1555687525 398439 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1555687525 668520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 191520Z VRB03KT 9999 FEW070 22/M01 Q1025 BECMG 10008KT
< 1555687539 622337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the M01 is kind of impressive.
< 1555687577 38116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though apparently that corresponds to 27% humidity. I expected less.
< 1555687608 302746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, no. That's different data: 21.4°C and 1.6°C dewpoint.)
< 1555688555 527223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpcalc.org says 22% RH for 22/M01.
< 1555688678 256193 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.zarfhome.com/2019/04/what-is-zil-anyway.html
< 1555689919 748311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not programmed in ZIL or Inform, but I know Z-machine programming and have made a few implementations of Z-machine. I have also hand optimized a subroutine in Zork I once (from only the assembly language code), but do not remember what it was. I also wrote the "Tricky Document", which describes many tricks and optimizations for Z-machine code, many of which are not used as far as I know.
< 1555690188 371708 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky document is cool, i like that
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< 1555690830 426459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I have a piece of a ZIL code in my computer. Since I know Z-machine programming I can guess what it is doing; it seems to be capitalizing a room name to display in the status window. One line says ,GL-SPACE-WIDTH>>; WINGET is an instruction specific to YZIP, so presumably this is YZIP code. (Also, presumably the compiler would optimize out the SET instruction; the DIV instruction can set the variable directl
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> 1555691598 430268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61317 5* 03IQBigBang 5* (+1386) 10Created page with "(Note: This page is currently being made, please wait a while.) '''AT''' is a stack-based functional minimal postfix one-dimensional language created by User:IQB..."
> 1555691623 148424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AT14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61318&oldid=61317 5* 03IQBigBang 5* (+4) 10
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< 1555698799 237088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will a 410 response to HTTP requests for the favicon file cause clients to not try to request the file every time?
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< 1555700967 652912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my character (Ziveruskex) spit poison do you think it is sense if someone who does not have red blood may be resisted or immune? Once a drider was immune. I think a spider has blue blood, isn't it?
< 1555701354 996366 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-211.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spiders use poison themselves, so maybe that's why they're immune
< 1555701401 297024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it is a different poison probably
< 1555701486 284081 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-211.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, spiders are not immune
< 1555701496 539874 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-211.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are cannibal spiders
< 1555701508 54966 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-211.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm doesn't say they're immune
< 1555701639 154043 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-211.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm re-reading Jules Verne's "La Jangada", and at one point it tells that a tribe of natives fight with their blowpipe projectiles tipped with curare poison, and describes the effects of curare and how it's made
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< 1555706208 563600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-211.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 350
< 1555706209 208320 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :350.00°F = 176.67°C
< 1555706383 303798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 497
< 1555706384 82244 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 497: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
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< 1555713679 874592 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :techincally humans have poison
< 1555713791 466013 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC human bites on other animals get infected very frequently
< 1555713811 833799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but still it is a different poison than the other one
< 1555714095 659572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is supposed to do in NNTP to indicate in response to a POST command the difference of rejecting a article because it is malformed or rejecting a article due to the server being temporarily unable to write to the database?
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< 1555715154 680011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can there be something like OpenID with SASL that can then be used without a webpage? To support that any implementation may be in use and is not tied to any specific implementation
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< 1555716175 770512 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I wouldn't call it poison if it's another creature doing the infection and not a chemical
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< 1555716804 611210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me in the current girl genius arch that it would be very convenient right about now if someone has happened to bring a bit of water from the Dyne.
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< 1555717095 430077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arc
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< 1555718044 52257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, oerjan: What is Black-Johansen text packing?
< 1555718231 335836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The algorithm is described in this document: http://zzo38computer.org/zmachine/doc/tricky.txt
< 1555718359 998693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also explain how text is encoded in Z-machine programs. It is encoded as a series of 5-bit characters, where 1 and 2 and 3 mean together with the next 5-bit character selects a "frequent word" to emit, while 4 and 5 are shifts.
< 1555718443 581195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The initial shift state is 0, where 4 is a temporary shift to state 1, and 5 is a temporary shift to state 2. In state 1 or 2, the 4 and 5 are permanent shifts; the same code is permanent to its own state and the other one is to state 0. Code 0 is always a space. Codes 6-31 meanings depend on the shift state; in state 2, code 6 is a ASCII escape and is followed by two more 5-bit codes.
< 1555718565 278068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infocom never used permanent shifts. Their documentation says to use a permanent shift if there are two characters from the same shift state, but that tends to be worse than not using permanent shifts at all.
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< 1555730278 444467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does that explain what you wanted to know?
< 1555730820 336091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1555730956 932534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1555730993 518323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Johansen" does refer to oerjan, because they helped me with it.)
< 1555731362 993823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured.
< 1555731373 359735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I thought it was either oerjan or Ørjan.
< 1555731604 755312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be hard to tell sometimes.
< 1555731629 654773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely not Pål Ørjan, he'd be more likely to cooperate with kmc.
< 1555731742 725725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pål-Ørjan
< 1555732315 106256 :zemhill_______!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.Mickey_V4: points -11.52, score 10.94, rank 47/47
< 1555732431 364521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity!
< 1555732458 399977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which apparently cannot be underscored enough.
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< 1555737492 579720 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba is you is a great game!
< 1555737589 354183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I've been saying!
< 1555737603 991884 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1555737638 290769 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1555737642 179975 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1555737643 390806 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\
< 1555737678 871971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe later after Free Hero Mesh is enough that it is possible to try to use it, then you can see if you are able to make anything with it that is similar to Baba Is You, or if maybe not.
< 1555738021 197258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use Free Hero Mesh to make The Revenge of Megazeux?
< 1555738074 123359 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the BIY levels are really hard ;__;
< 1555738183 401859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be Revenge of Megazeux? If it is like MegaZeux, then probably not; it doesn't meet the requirements: that it is played on a rectangular grid of objects (there may be multiple objects at a location), with the state changing only deterministically by a function from the current state and key code to either the new state or a win or loss.
< 1555738222 805523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's like Megazeux or maybe like the revenge of Megaboz
< 1555738237 72891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like The Revenge of Megaboz?
< 1555738285 269062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of Revenge of Megaboz. MegaZeux is played on a rectangular grid, but does not use the required state changing function.
< 1555738335 638662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Revenge of Megaboz is also called Zork Zero.
< 1555738337 185634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I found Revenge of Megaboz; it is Zork Zero: The Revenge of Megaboz, it look like.
< 1555738444 497318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a screenshot, I can see they have a compass at the top like I did in xyzabcde2 also (although mine is made only from text)
< 1555738451 517844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like _Spider and Web_?
< 1555738537 155041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played before but do not remember all of them now
< 1555738830 134970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ߓߓ IS ຢU
< 1555738936 304225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ክክ IS Б𐋂
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< 1555738994 556993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ບX ߤS ክY
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< 1555741991 390688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if awk specifies the order of evaluation of an expression?
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< 1555753178 330647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Re underscores, usually I just restart it to get rid of them, but now I'm afraid it would no longer work, because some of the Ruby things it uses had stopped working.
< 1555753240 114797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping I'll finish the reimplantation before it goes down next time, though that doesn't feel all that likely.
< 1555753421 380788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
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< 1555754746 794796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...reimplantation is probably something slightly different than what I meant.
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< 1555781723 948848 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist MEAT or CANDY?
< 1555781724 716530 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist MEAT or CANDY?: Taneb atriq Ngevd nvd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1555781941 783541 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? circle
< 1555781943 121359 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :circle? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555781950 255662 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A circle has no end
< 1555781952 498414 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'circle': A circle has no end
< 1555781954 519859 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A circle has no end.
< 1555781956 633337 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'circle': A circle has no end.
< 1555781987 713704 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, do you plan to visit your relatives on Easter?
< 1555781988 137173 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: man. it is just another waste. do you like it.
< 1555782221 184934 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I heard Finland on amateur radio.
< 1555782227 853140 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't manage to get a contact
< 1555782236 775007 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a 10,000 km contact to eastern Russia though
< 1555782282 607762 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this still in the 200 MhZ frequency band?
< 1555782739 531764 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1555782772 750759 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :last night I was on 7.074, 10.136, and 14.074 MHz
< 1555782793 273476 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are the standard frequencies for the FT8 digital protocol on 40, 30, and 20 meter bands respectively
< 1555783039 17688 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distance record for VHF is short of that, and getting anywhere close would require extremely favorable atmospheric conditions and good equipment http://www.arrl.org/files/file/WA50-Standings/Distance_Records_10Dec2018.pdf
< 1555783061 609539 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas on HF, i was able to do this with a pretty basic transciever and a crappy wire antenna
< 1555783134 197516 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people also bounce VHF signals off the moon
< 1555783152 173328 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the record is there
< 1555783169 195012 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are satellites that act as amateur radio repeaters, but that's cheating as far as distance records go
< 1555783240 867951 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HF depends on the conditions of the ionosphere, which in turn depends on the sunspot cycle, which is at a minimum now. but there is still plenty you can do especially with weak signal modes like FT8 or good old morse code
< 1555783288 549942 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morse is a very low bandwidth, low symbol rate (or can be, anyway) mode and therefore you can make a very sensitive receiver which picks out just that signal and very little of the surrounding noise
< 1555783324 688530 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do extremely long distance on extremely low power, people have done extremely slow morse code ("QRSS"), up to one minute of transmission for a single dot!
< 1555783343 894278 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally this is encoded and decoded by computer because it's tedious to sit there for hours holding down a button
< 1555783421 235575 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :before computers, morse code stations would sometimes transmit messages from punched tape, and record onto paper tape with a pen actuated by the radio rceeiver. this was mostly done to allow very fast transmission (time is money!) and not very slow, but same principle could apply.
< 1555783438 962904 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go to the historic KPH radiotelegraph station in Point Reyes, California, you can see this equipment still in use
< 1555783557 661608 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was one of the first radiotelegraph stations, built in the 1920s mainly for ship-to-shore communication (which is why it's on the coast)
< 1555785004 312251 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen such a morse transmitter, but I have seen a working telex terminal (not in production use, but in a museum) with a fast tape reader, so it can transmit and print characters faster than anyone could type on the keyboard.
< 1555785068 81153 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have also heard of the very low bandwidth morse transmissions, which were used for cable telegraph under the Atlantic for a decade or two before vacuum tubes were invented to amplify the signal right inside the undersea cable.
< 1555785113 876503 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radio telegrpahy was also very hard back then, for the exact same reason: you need vacuum tubes to modulate the signal.
< 1555785617 477427 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1555785651 681590 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for undersea cables they used a very clever device called a mirror galvanometer
< 1555785674 735242 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of like a normal analog ammeter but the needle is replaced with a tiny mirror
< 1555785689 846620 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :onto which you shine a light
< 1555785698 66573 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a very small deflection of the needle is "amplified" by moving the reflected spot of light a much larger distance
< 1555785707 73567 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially using a long lever arm with zero mass.
< 1555785757 208255 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the earliest longwave radio transmissions they used electromechanical generators to produce the radio waves
< 1555785760 203793 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexanderson_alternator
< 1555785794 21235 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, for the *earliest* they used spark gap transmitters, but those produce crazy amounts of broadband RF noise and can't be used for anything other than on-off
< 1555785824 775562 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so their 'damped waves' were replaced by 'continuous wave' transmissions (the acronym CW survives today as the ham jargon for morse code; hams love jargon for jargon's sake and it's often more than 100 years old in origin)
< 1555785854 918041 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then it was believed that longwave was the best way to do long distance, because it diffracts around the curvature of the earth
< 1555785877 188927 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortwave was believed to be useless and given to the amateurs to play around with, they subsequently discovered ionospheric reflection and suddenly shortwave became very important
< 1555785896 966274 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, 'shortwave' is still 10,000 times longer than a lot of frequencies in use today.
< 1555786053 141314 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is still one working Alexanderson alternator, they run it once or twice a year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexanderson_Day
< 1555786101 623719 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 17.2 kHz... you can receive that with an antenna direct into a sound card
< 1555786123 523507 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 km wavelength
> 1555786381 38355 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TOWCBL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61319&oldid=58899 5* 03ShareMan 5* (-5662) 10Deleted Page
< 1555786522 318084 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O (hm, I guess 17 is close to the square root of 300)
< 1555786751 249696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ %:300
< 1555786751 971353 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 17.3205
< 1555786821 711646 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I read up on this on occasion of a certain poem, and the history is interesting, even if I only found out about part of it and missing other parts
< 1555786849 299710 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat
< 1555786850 720381 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which poem?
< 1555786914 413442 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47171973#47171973
< 1555786925 254494 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Secret of the Machines" by Kipling
< 1555786967 562891 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah kipling
< 1555786968 562472 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1555787129 366071 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions radiotelegraphy from Europe to America, which confused me a bit given how early he's written that
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< 1555788872 482593 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>The value of BB(1895) is known to be independent of ZFC
< 1555788875 11475 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
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< 1555789542 934651 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725
< 1555789545 914266 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess they lowered the bound
< 1555789628 123106 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont 100% understand how its possible that the value of the function can be independent
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< 1555789734 320261 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a consquence of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem?
< 1555789746 58069 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://web.archive.org/web/20100204093058/http://www.fantasticmetropolis.com/i/division/full/
< 1555789748 515804 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a turing machine can't decide the truth of every statement of ZFC
< 1555789768 904963 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use a similar paradox / diagonal construction
< 1555789770 355259 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure
< 1555789775 426055 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one of us could read the paper
< 1555789858 924758 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without reading the paper
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< 1555792194 37914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's implausible to prove that BB(n) is independent of ZFC for some n; you might well find a program of size n that's independent of ZFC, but how can you prove that there isn't a busier beaver of the same size?
< 1555792272 522819 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if BB(n) in independent so is BB(n+1)
< 1555792377 750526 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure what is meant by a busier beaver
< 1555792429 440226 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just one that takes more steps to halt
< 1555792507 366410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1555792520 623201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value of BB(n) only depends on the behaviour of the slowest program with size n, not on the behaviour of any of the others
< 1555792540 733222 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://googology.wikia.org/wiki/User_blog:Wythagoras/A_good_bound_for_S(7)%3F
< 1555792608 836144 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1555792614 798282 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is to search for a contradiction in ZFC
< 1555792644 383506 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let P be a program that does this, if ZFC is consistent it diverges if ZFC is inconsistent it halts after h steps
< 1555792688 472782 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can we say that proving BB(|P|) = n for some numeral n is independent of ZFC?
< 1555792733 755343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you wouldn't be able to prove a specific value for BB(n) in ZFC if ZFC were consistent
< 1555792738 547419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because doing so would prove that ZFC were consistent
< 1555792769 76823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, if ZFC is actually inconsistent, there's no problem
< 1555792820 100459 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amusing that you can prove exists n, BB(|P|) = n
< 1555792842 153023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very philosophical question
< 1555793018 927340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1555793279 69021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, from https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2725 I get it's a proof conditional on ZFC being consistent
< 1555793300 913372 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the machine halts iff it finds a proof that ZFC is inconsistent, and it searches the entire space of proofs effectively
< 1555793352 486774 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not exactly
< 1555793360 711060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the golfed program that is
< 1555793370 872105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does something similar, and it's expected to not halt
< 1555793409 267859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ZFC is inconsistent, does that imply it can prove everything? or does it have some sort of safety valve against that?
< 1555793432 219457 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no safety valve
< 1555793442 219513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is classical logic, so if it's inconsistent, then it proves everything
< 1555793448 377189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of sizeof(string literals) in C is useful with macros. I think they might also be useful with macros if you can also put a string literal followed by a constant in brackets and treat the result also as a constant.
< 1555793480 603413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that you can put string literal next to each other in C is useful with macros, too.
< 1555793494 213151 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you can do that in modern C++
< 1555793757 157603 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190420.html something seems wrong in Bobadventures comic. there's a new comic page posted, but no image.
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< 1555810286 517769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost finished writing my NNTP server software; now I will just test a few things. Are you going to use this software too?
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< 1555812276 446352 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
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< 1555819368 911835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any program for PC with CGA set the width to 64 columns in order to allow faster scrolling?
< 1555820167 10606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make it in Linux so that a user has a permission to read and write a file but not to delete it?
< 1555820316 564677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to prevent it from being deleted so that it is not recreated with incorrect permissions.)
< 1555820538 204175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem the sticky bit might help. But will SQLite work correctly if it fails to delete the WAL file?
< 1555821027 48840 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1555824932 103662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the NNTP is available.
< 1555824941 962731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can see if it is good, perhaps.
< 1555824990 337278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38
< 1555824997 963440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is text rendering so complicated?
< 1555825506 488466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they make a mess with it, mostly. They make it complicated even when it should not need to be.
< 1555825602 753378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make it not complicated?
< 1555825649 570156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it depend what you are trying to do it with; omit the parts that are unnecessary for your use.
< 1555825688 678566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For typesetting I think what TeX does is suitable. For screen text, the X core text mechanism is usually sufficient.
< 1555825699 206492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a program with a GUI.
< 1555825709 705002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means people might use all sorts of languages and things.
< 1555825821 304914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you should then consider right to left as well as left to right, and marks to add on top and that stuff, but other than that you should probably just to avoid the other complicated stuff, since you will not need them. Even in a GUI program, it depend on the program, what you need it to do.
< 1555825849 462580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One text rendering system will not work for everyone, and if you try it will just be complicated and messy and won't always work properly.
< 1555825901 201465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I want to support Arabic?
< 1555825923 993947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should add the right to left mode
< 1555825946 455617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right to left is the easy (?) part of supporting Arabic.
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> 1555827700 192257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zane 5* 10New user account
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> 1555828231 727096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61320&oldid=60987 5* 03Zane 5* (+222) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1555844712 925961 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.horse/
< 1555845114 895479 :FraterEST!~adrianbib@wsip-68-15-198-210.ok.ok.cox.net PART :#esoteric
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< 1555849207 243664 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1555849739 590937 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Can I make it in Linux so that a user has a permission to read and write a file but not to delete it?" => yes. put the file in a directory where the user does not have write permissions to the directory, but has execute permissions.
< 1555856106 864950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? de
< 1555856108 141689 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :De is the counterpart to code, often called the header.
< 1555856210 275069 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tgbtnhjshafhoitx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
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< 1555859629 709451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rogue one
< 1555859630 959040 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any regular who gives the slightest Rogue One spoiler shall be hunted down in real life and have their intestines removed through their eye sockets. Members would not be exempt if they existed, which they don't.
< 1555859640 856665 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion: is that still active?
< 1555859645 173818 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the last jedi
< 1555859647 670435 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last jedi? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555860260 376327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? solo
< 1555860261 705300 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :solo? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555860268 222930 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rise of the skywalker
< 1555860269 401915 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rise of the skywalker? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555863175 60344 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bmnsciumkdigdcms JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555863645 624943 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget pike
< 1555863647 433705 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1555863921 190295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? member
< 1555863922 388947 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway.
< 1555864014 591499 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ursala
< 1555864015 670280 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-,
< 1555864051 955918 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1555864111 176717 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Ursala is a language that is supposedly non-esoteric, in that one person, its creator, uses it for real stuff
< 1555864146 763284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, sort of like blsq, which is also only used by its creator, but that does qualify as an esoteric language
< 1555864152 560015 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid traditions making these distinctions
< 1555866576 705735 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it morally ok if I abused lambdabot’s @tell outside this channel?
< 1555866629 428108 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it works with someone not joined here; I didn’t check yet)
< 1555866743 279861 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? regular
< 1555866744 445744 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555866748 338771 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? regulars
< 1555866749 512188 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :regulars? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555866754 802721 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? regular expression
< 1555866755 919567 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular expression? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555866770 319943 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pcre
< 1555866771 506179 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcre? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1555867742 773703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` zcat /usr/share/man/man1/dc.1.gz | nroff -mandoc -rLL=999n -rLT=999n 2>/dev/null | sed -e 's/\./.\n/g;s/\x1b\[[^m]*m//g' | grep 'Assuming that'
< 1555867743 826531 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Assuming that (UCHAR_MAX+1) is 256 (as it is on most machines with 8-bit bytes), the sequence KSK0k1/_1Ss [ls*]Sxd0>x [256~Ssd0qaPlxx] dsxxsx0sqLqsxLxLK+k could also accomplish this function.
< 1555867751 879968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That Ursula snippet reminded me of that gem.)
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> 1555868256 197425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61321&oldid=61313 5* 03Helen 5* (-481) 10
< 1555868368 434417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...reimplantation is probably something slightly different than what I meant. <-- i barely even noticed hth
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< 1555870440 195260 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie gods? seriously?
< 1555870942 934268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before wisdom/pike
< 1555870945 710296 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/pike//Pike is an interpreted language that got sort of forgotten among the four big mainstream p-languages (perl, python, ruby, php).
< 1555870977 921852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRAAAAAAAINS also ichor
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< 1555871128 229649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if it works with someone not joined here; I didn’t check yet) <-- they will only be told if they speak in a channel where lambdabot also is, and if they're not in one they might be very confused much later when they do
> 1555871592 901051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61322&oldid=61299 5* 03Helen 5* (+2029) 10/* Alternative memory structures */ Added a section on alternative memory structures
> 1555871643 387893 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61323&oldid=61322 5* 03Helen 5* (+4) 10/* Alternative memory structures */ Small formatting error
> 1555872126 714005 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61324&oldid=61323 5* 03Helen 5* (+23) 10/* Loading the value of a cell */ Small fix to loading algorithm
< 1555873138 849918 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? space elevator
< 1555873140 198538 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the shorter and more familiar strings of stringed musical instruments, the cable of a space elevator has a natural resonant frequency.
< 1555873324 462956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, when will you fund building a space elevator?
< 1555873324 582461 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: about his hat dirty. an old factory lost two! i would say you came up here that is not much happens.
< 1555873478 77310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand fungot would be reluctant to fund another space elevator if they've already lost two
< 1555873478 163724 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what the hell is that? my, that is a smart mouth you have. it plays a role in the outcome of the kids' game session.
< 1555873509 546701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and yours is dirty tdnh
< 1555873509 630524 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and so it would continue. time to get this way rude hunger is so ill-mannered it would be a life that i guess you have inadvertently left your room. you of course.
< 1555873524 668875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1555873524 709746 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
< 1555873597 162854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1555873597 246292 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
< 1555873623 363378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: prithee be more polite, wilst thou?
< 1555873623 515084 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1.warder. who's there?
< 1555873830 49771 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555873913 324577 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1555873913 464683 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lear. come, come, you fnord fogges, drawne by the fnord
< 1555873922 700342 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did shakespeare coin the word fnord?
< 1555874301 264960 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-202.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555874488 954684 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybjwirpdfvgqexgl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1555875341 42174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the frequency of a space elevator?
< 1555875440 440243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1555875775 541880 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: of the style that's made of impossibly tough material, we can't really say, because we don't have such a material so we don't know its properties
< 1555875964 748688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the one made of particles being continuously shot up and fall down, the frequency is probably the reciprocial of the time it takes for each particle to go a full circle, in order of magnitude, so I'd guess between a minute and an hour
< 1555876453 312282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my new NNTP service? It was set up yesterday, so there are no messages so far
< 1555876519 211835 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still too young for NNTP
< 1555876531 268398 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use usenet when I was younger, and don't feel like starting now
< 1555876539 148272 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just had mailing lists and web forums
< 1555876550 788093 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also mailing list mirrors of newsgroups and web mirrors of newsgroups
< 1555876667 709371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not Usenet, but is Unusenet. Also, I implemented a POSTQUIT command for convenience of users who are not using NNTP software; you can prepare your message in another file, with POSTQUIT on the first line and a dot by itself on the last line, and then just send it. If there is an error it will immediately terminate and not try to interpret the rest of your message as commands.
< 1555876946 279289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, it is Y2K compliant. The old Usenet wasn't Y2K compliant.)
< 1555878408 502867 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bmnsciumkdigdcms QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
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> 1555881068 183900 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61325&oldid=61324 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+352) 10oops
< 1555881942 980859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ysaclist
< 1555881943 837235 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ysaclist: boily shachaf
< 1555882107 912866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not engaged in NNTP and Usenet myself, actually. Only recently I implemented it.
< 1555882451 79706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun Usenet fact: Finland had two competing Usenet group hierarchies, "finet" and "sfnet".
< 1555883255 378798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they have now?
< 1555884266 319053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "sfnet" shut down not too long ago. It was managed in vaguely the same way the big 8, so you couldn't just create groups there; "finet" is more like alt.* in that respect.
< 1555884288 735827 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1555885470 812125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hon. and learned friend fungot, how many battles of beer do you have on the wall?
< 1555885471 305941 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: husband. thank you. i thank you. my lady would not lose him for more than fifty years. in 1180, however, set them free. after a fnord upon her, not leaue her token: she is sphericall, like a forked radish, with a wofull ballad made to his mistresse eye-brow. then, tell us e'en now, that strew the greene lap of faire king richard, ratcliffe, louel.
> 1555886452 470556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61326&oldid=61325 5* 03Helen 5* (+375) 10/* Bitch is probably Turing-incomplete */ Apologies for unclearness
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> 1555889564 634054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rous 5* 10New user account
> 1555890209 374186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61327&oldid=61320 5* 03Rous 5* (+79) 10
> 1555890238 382439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Test esolang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61328 5* 03Rous 5* (+33) 10Created page with ""
> 1555890348 39502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Test esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61329&oldid=61328 5* 03Rous 5* (-33) 10Blanked the page
< 1555891112 530984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the spacex launch thing doing?
< 1555891836 8328 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.12.10.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric
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> 1555893362 551533 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Test esolang10]]": test page, blanked by author
< 1555894143 250447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` hg cat -r3351 wisdom/ursala
< 1555894144 463542 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ursala ~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=≪+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXPS; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-,
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< 1555905508 990316 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1555905555 895564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the C preprocessor an esolang?
< 1555905946 25659 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555906764 12313 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1555906777 966472 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think it has enough complexity personally
< 1555907124 609136 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555908222 594564 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ttgtjhexchijnepx JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555909647 339255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Ziveruskex and Strixan cannot wear a helmet is an advantage in the current situation in the game so far, even though there is a disadvantage too (you cannot add extra protection).
< 1555909655 344170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I abused the C preprocessor: http://slbkbs.org/tmp/fmt.txt
< 1555909745 88151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the fmt.h file?
< 1555909766 816907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the implementation.
< 1555909769 191425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1555909873 121386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen the implementation in fmt.h
< 1555910059 408174 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0
< 1555910144 254114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the implementation is terrible.
< 1555917836 982364 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1555919200 555725 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nͤͬͦ
< 1555919216 784318 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode allows me yto write my name vertically
< 1555919235 36602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just won't implement combining characters.
< 1555919237 190652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or kerning.
< 1555919269 575715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Arabic?
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< 1555933805 909539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1555933849 529311 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a third repeating holiday called "mother's day"?
< 1555933910 360128 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the one of communist origin on --03-08 every year, the other one on the first sunday of month --05, and I just found that the last sunday of month --06 also is one
< 1555942923 159459 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1555944243 530630 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar should have a shortcut option for --no-same-permissions --no-same-owner
< 1555944502 961113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555944600 931418 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I should make a wrapper
< 1555951886 637702 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00a8cada93916f7edb.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1555952091 696688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "Third"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother%27s_Day#Dates_around_the_world
< 1555952223 359352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one here is properly called "Mothering Sunday", on the 4th Sunday of Lent.
< 1555952340 190030 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, technically my mother's birthday and my grandmother's birthday also count
< 1555952381 137018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that lists several dates
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< 1555953577 714344 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this must be convenient if you have three mothers
< 1555953591 957503 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or celebrate the day for anyone who is /a/ mother
< 1555953616 202224 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sometimes I think it's the only job I could be good at. but that's probably alarming, wishful thinking
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< 1555957100 950091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one mother, but I also have a grandmother, and it's customary to celebrate both on mother's day.
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< 1555968100 997433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 150
< 1555968101 657093 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :150.00°F = 65.56°C
< 1555969925 910216 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a002ccda16061db18c2.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hot
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< 1555978976 624441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to program in GNU make so that depending which target is selected it will use different options for compiling the C codes?
< 1555979091 154013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you add makerules, with a target, dependencies, and a body, where most of the body can be a few make variables
< 1555979269 406360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do variable assignment with "target ... : VAR = value", as in https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Target_002dspecific
< 1555979295 645137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also gets propagated to prequisites.)
< 1555979319 86095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, thank you that will help
< 1555979332 20996 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh nice, I have never used that
< 1555979351 33554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better because then you don't need to write the body
< 1555979369 509386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the body can come from a single wildcard target, you only write the target and deps and the variable
< 1555979388 289890 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course writing a body isn't complicated either
< 1555979472 79215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the body won't set make variables.
< 1555979480 611585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A variable definition in a “rule context” which is indented by a tab as the first character on the line, will be considered part of a recipe, not a make variable definition, and passed to the shell."
< 1555979488 321250 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1555979501 36003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the body will contain the full command, except most of it is abbreviated with make variables
< 1555979513 430899 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that make variable definitions can contain other make variables
< 1555979522 894769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :references to them, even references to $@ and $+
< 1555979580 928261 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't even need that, you can just write a body like $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -lcustom-for-this-rule -Dcustom-for-this-rule -o $@ $+
< 1555979625 92409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but you can't make that compile foo.o from foo.c differently depending on whether you're building "make zing" or "make zong".
< 1555979628 42993 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a specific variable instead of $(CC) $(CFLAGS), or even multiple ones, one for each different type of rule
< 1555979634 978075 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1555979640 668444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean depending on the top level target?
< 1555979642 704306 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different
< 1555979655 399640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's how I interpreted "depending which target is selected".
< 1555979662 700394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it didn't mean that.
< 1555979671 679914 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one I don't really want to do, because it would mess with the whole point of Make where it doesn't rebuild targets that are already present depending on mtimes
< 1555979688 93464 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd give different names to the targets then, possibly in different directories
< 1555979726 555272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of a problem with target-specific variables as well, except even more so, because if you have two targets (with different target-specific variable assignments) both depending on foo, it's not clear which variable values get used.
< 1555979765 9654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, maybe it's better in that case to arrange things so that you build "foo-zing.o" and "foo-zong.o" differently.
< 1555979864 809609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-193.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1555982006 563708 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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> 1555986290 636436 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Symbolic Python14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61330&oldid=60520 5* 03Cortex 5* (+145) 10
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< 1555988014 460763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I figured out how to do it, I will have to see if it work (I don't use make for my own programs, but was modifying one that does)
< 1555988604 379934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is work.
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> 1555992352 177913 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Armok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61332&oldid=46470 5* 03Prof Apex 5* (+30) 10/* True Hello World! */ Add code blocks
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< 1556010078 447546 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :early oerjan?
< 1556010521 106754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint-e
< 1556010659 79545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoerjan.
< 1556010727 308950 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that one
< 1556011278 654391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf. it's about 40 minutes too early to respond in kind.
< 1556011319 130887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In oerjan standard time?
< 1556011410 747351 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OST
< 1556013854 409224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is the time
< 1556013904 456402 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are in the same timezone, i guess
< 1556013968 399115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so there's a third repeating holiday called "mother's day"? <-- norway's is on the second sunday of february hth
< 1556013979 591663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good shachafternoon!
< 1556013989 588038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx int-e
< 1556014053 915845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother's_Day the other week... such a mess.
< 1556014079 455914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am assuming we don't do it in may because it's usually packed with other celebrations.
< 1556014084 937970 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, "read" is an overstatement.)
< 1556014199 598498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course nowadays people also tend to celebrate valentine's day so the timing no longer seems as good.
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< 1556014315 330433 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people celebrating valentine's day?
< 1556014362 474495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all you need for a celebration is an occasion.
< 1556014394 158310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cynical me (aka me) wants to suggest 9/11.
< 1556014428 701297 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to celebrate?
< 1556014440 58051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1556014441 277159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 230950Z 27005KT CAVOK 13/05 Q1019 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 10006KT
< 1556014473 318227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You're missing my point. It's the celebration that matters. Who cares what it's about? :P
< 1556014474 309416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well at least the shops are.
< 1556014513 720048 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: he's the patron saint of the plague!
< 1556014521 35871 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but valentine's day is like the worst day to go out with somebody
< 1556014524 568553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Of course personally I find Valentine's day highly offensive.
< 1556014530 385606 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1556014539 243625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because it's too crowded, i assume
< 1556014542 661826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And beekeepers
< 1556014580 94406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if it _also_ coincides with mother's day, that gets magnified.
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> 1556020360 512561 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61334&oldid=61296 5* 03A 5* (+800) 10Weird idea of programming GNU nano
> 1556023701 671332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61335&oldid=61316 5* 03Helen 5* (-3) 10Fixing a minor detail about the computational class and some small spcaing+grammar changes
> 1556024771 567418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61336&oldid=61326 5* 03Helen 5* (+47) 10/* Incrementing */ Took out the big unhelpful message and replaced it with a disclaimer
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< 1556029868 4172 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has the CSS on nlab changed recently? Looks more... papery
< 1556030969 431995 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a slight suspicion that Swapfuck might not be an LBA.
> 1556031378 682692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61337&oldid=54944 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+751) 10
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< 1556031665 696590 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing testing ◌͜◌͝◌͞◌͟◌ͣ
< 1556031672 707692 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
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< 1556032120 659919 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it works
< 1556034888 543375 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1556034889 879265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 231541Z 13010KT 15SM -SHRA SCT075 BKN090 12/08 A2979 RMK AC4AC3 ACC ASOCTD PRESFR SLP090 DENSITY ALT 600FT
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< 1556046514 770427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes. nlab is a paper now.
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< 1556059393 163637 :zemhill_______!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.le-basic-rush: points -10.90, score 11.28, rank 47/47
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< 1556061553 808689 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/philippines-duterte-threatens-war-if-canada-doesn-t-take-trash-back-1.4390852
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< 1556062474 398310 :sombrero!b5cb3bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.59.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1556062579 419314 :sombrero!b5cb3bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.59.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there somo inter definition language like Apache Thrift or Babel but for Esoteric programming languages ???
< 1556062614 164508 :sombrero!b5cb3bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.59.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://computation.llnl.gov/projects/babel-high-performance-language-interoperability/#page=home
< 1556062625 401875 :sombrero!b5cb3bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.59.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://thrift.apache.org/
< 1556062663 880279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: strong language, but a valid demand.
< 1556062745 989862 :sombrero!b5cb3bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.59.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like Melange http://melange.inria.fr/ ...
< 1556062846 598231 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, given how fundamentally different esolangs tend to be, I'm not sure how realistic that is.
< 1556062914 112275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what kind of Haskell code Thrift generates...
< 1556062945 601368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome int-e
< 1556062947 699732 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02int-e: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.)
< 1556062957 388728 :sombrero!b5cb3bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.59.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering about the existence of such a monster :P, but for more than two would be fine
< 1556063007 638077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you realize that that's the least offensive of all *elcomes for me? :P
< 1556063023 79189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I want to offend you?
< 1556063025 501669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://thrift.apache.org/tutorial/hs <-- ah here's a taste.
< 1556063043 234572 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the most offensive elcome?
< 1556063093 544706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the Swedish one.
< 1556063102 365526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wElCoMe is pretty bad
< 1556063105 5419 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iS: pReTtY: bAd: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN EfNeT Or dAlNeT.)
< 1556063130 884077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that one has a different behavior for people with even and odd nick lengths.
< 1556063136 95616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it would offend my eyes.
< 1556063139 949026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wElCoMe is pretty ba
< 1556063141 192596 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iS: pReTtY: bA: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On eFnEt oR DaLnEt.)
< 1556063151 318279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be what you find offensive.
< 1556063160 491123 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE is pretty bad
< 1556063163 571371 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is: PrEtTy: BaD: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On eFnEt oR DaLnEt.)
< 1556063189 236603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since I filter colors, `relcome is just `welcome to me.
< 1556063198 872709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you feel welcomed?
< 1556063226 224804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day someone was saying that WebAssembly is a reasonable IR for distributing portable programs that have nothing to do with the web.
< 1556063233 367936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty skeptical.
< 1556063240 192070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that seem true?
< 1556063305 476934 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think that something like LLVM IR would be better
< 1556063311 10847 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:41d8:eaf:2e4d:3028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are headed in that direction... WebAssembly is the next Java
< 1556063326 325802 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:41d8:eaf:2e4d:3028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say that it's "reasonable"
< 1556063330 248344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a recommendation.
< 1556063347 559292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least WebAssembly doesn't do garbage collection.
< 1556063352 981016 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :my recommendation is to fire anyone who recommends webassembly
< 1556063370 321870 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1556063407 237852 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's okay, but I've never heard anything good about it
< 1556063408 265561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sombrero: I guess the closest thing esolang people do is write interpreters for one esolang in another.
< 1556063424 26496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surely better than asm.js
< 1556063437 519606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now people are using it for things that have nothing to do with web browsers?
< 1556063459 52377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems unreasonable on the face of it.
< 1556063461 679051 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:41d8:eaf:2e4d:3028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point, we're going to switch to using WebAssembly via GHC at Obsidian.
< 1556063467 294800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js, electron... it was just a matter of time?
< 1556063479 964957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electron is obviously just absurd.
< 1556063485 10119 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't stand those people
< 1556063489 572903 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for both technical and non-technical reasons
< 1556063492 150007 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you already know that
< 1556063495 101245 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:41d8:eaf:2e4d:3028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHCJS is still more mature, but the WebAssembly backend has a much better shot at actually being upstreamed into GHC proper.
< 1556063533 600771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Haskell is scow for programming anyway.
< 1556063558 599058 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also caring less and less as time goes on, which is good
< 1556063562 76621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The main Isabelle developer is tinkering with VisualCode. :/
< 1556063565 853389 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scow
< 1556063567 106796 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp.
< 1556063569 279660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Visual Studio Code.
< 1556063586 877565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever code GHC produces will be slow no matter what the backend is.
< 1556063618 139809 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's often a huge margin between slow and not fast enough. :P
< 1556063635 964402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mutable state is the best
< 1556063646 29685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus memory unsafety
< 1556063648 668883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have a bug
< 1556063664 123450 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish the rust people weren't shit heads
< 1556063669 342262 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish they hadn't ruined open source for me
< 1556063673 540421 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no going back
< 1556063674 933266 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: plus unsynchronised threads?
< 1556063676 342060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't
< 1556063722 556944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What are synchronized threads?
< 1556063747 582579 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the one big lock kind of threads :P
< 1556063766 446073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I had shared memory with uncoordinated access in mind)
< 1556063783 451470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared memory with uncoordinated access seems fine
< 1556063786 404115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously each thread working on their own little part of memory is perfectly sane)
< 1556063793 808878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a library to coordinate the access
< 1556063811 141795 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but certainly that wouldn't be "best" by your definition.
< 1556063829 964459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's my definition?
< 1556063845 96829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that includes "memory unsafety".
< 1556063857 446627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think memory unsafety is a pretty reasonable feature.
< 1556063860 825634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Turing completeness.
< 1556063872 839409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ideal, but maybe better than the alternative?
< 1556063962 604678 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:41d8:eaf:2e4d:3028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory unsafety is fine so long as you're not forced into using things which are unsafe just to do basic stuff all the time.
< 1556063998 471541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to keep my sanity intact. Which means, sure, I may occasionally break abstractions (including managed heaps) to gain some performance, but I don't want to deal with it 99% of the time.
< 1556064007 422804 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:41d8:eaf:2e4d:3028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1556064056 535341 :sombrero!b5cb3bf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.59.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory RUSTfety
< 1556064057 150143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a managed heap? Garbage collection?
< 1556064057 368714 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:41d8:eaf:2e4d:3028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to be able to reasonably say to someone "hey, don't do that or you'll be fired"
< 1556064125 13234 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've certainly written Haskell code as a prototype and reimplemented it in C++ for speed after I figured out the right algorithm, for combinatorial enumerations.
< 1556064139 298798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, GC is usually implied.
< 1556064152 312108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That and memory safety.
< 1556064183 783404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garbage collection seems pretty scow to me.
< 1556064195 754174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you start with garbage collection you can't really remove it later, even locally.
< 1556064201 614415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fundamentally a global thing.
< 1556064222 472101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had local heaps with no external pointer, the argument for GC would be stronger.
< 1556064290 702331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, isn't that covered by regions? You don't have to give up the runtime-management for that, really.
< 1556064335 293989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I know languages that do local GC. Probably because global pointers are great.
< 1556064339 416854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm talking in principle, not about GHC. GHC doesn't have this. It has nurseries which somewhat help, keeping scratch objects thread-local.)
< 1556064344 825800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Erlang does.
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< 1556064529 410187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIUI GHC pays for thread-local nurseries by an expensive write barrier: If you update a pointer on the global heap (after evaluating a thunk) with a local object, that object will be promoted immediately.
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< 1556064706 151101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. A partial answer for GHC is that you can allocate a pinned object for scratch space and play around with that all you like, even from foreign code.
< 1556065230 787616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really an answer, though.
< 1556065242 571548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC still needs to stop the world for collecting the global heap, doesn't it?
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< 1556066394 298537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F391 MOON VIEWING CEREMONY [🎑]
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> 1556069510 406555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Snidbert64 5* 10New user account
> 1556069652 111193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61338&oldid=61327 5* 03Snidbert64 5* (+176) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1556073640 387303 :sombrero!b5cb32c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.50.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, almost I forgot it, if some want a DSL instead of a PL to tackle pixels, https://bmao.tech/PixelPlusPlus/ is a good option
< 1556073770 174425 :sombrero!b5cb32c8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.50.200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not in the sense of Piet, lol
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< 1556076935 633578 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stuck on BIY
< 1556076953 694562 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :level fall-5: haunt
< 1556077366 524952 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaay solved it
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> 1556083255 171764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61339&oldid=61334 5* 03A 5* (+98) 10/* A (quite weird) idea about programming GNU nano, the text editor */
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< 1556097417 409442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1556097418 699726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 240850Z 15017G27KT CAVOK 17/M02 Q1019 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 18028KT
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< 1556100971 198024 :DamZ!~u0_a195@36.79.125.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1556101023 153534 :DamZ!~u0_a195@36.79.125.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave
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< 1556108862 46241 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the "bag of sentences" aspect of the baba is you language fascinating
< 1556108892 178487 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentences are completely unordered, meaning that the same effect regardless of where they are
< 1556108896 834471 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have the same effect*
< 1556108910 115103 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this would be difficult to implement
< 1556108940 948634 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a good way to implement it would be with something like a logic sat solver
< 1556108958 498256 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would ensure the effect of the rules respects the lack of ordering
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< 1556119310 807774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what happens to X's if in one move you construct both "X is Y" and "X is Z" rules?
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< 1556123974 627576 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh geez I dunno. rules can be blocked by other rules. "BaBa is BaBa" blocks "BaBa is key" for example
< 1556123993 522475 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to play that game more
< 1556124350 628208 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're on to something
< 1556124639 793756 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure either
< 1556124675 492845 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting one I learned yesterday is that 'box is text' will turn every box into the text 'box'
< 1556124684 599547 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like a quotation operator
< 1556124703 811280 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly not that useful because now you have no boxes left to refer to
< 1556124988 999304 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful here though: (spoiler) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pdFaCNrdhg
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< 1556127908 87469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you discovered words yet?
< 1556128099 609739 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1556128115 173653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a no then
< 1556128123 822601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
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> 1556128659 575548 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Areallycoolusername14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61342&oldid=61341 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+0) 10/* Full List of languages I Made */
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< 1556131177 32912 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you have X is Y is Z is W is X
< 1556131190 863333 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result is that X becomes Y in one turn, and then Y becomes Z
< 1556131229 587358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a #esoteric-baba
< 1556131235 162701 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're spoiling all the things
< 1556131258 526137 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/babaisyou_/status/1099862522075717632
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< 1556132622 194299 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lVAFcDX4eM
< 1556132630 222205 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raycasting engine in Factorio (vanilla 0.17) - Facto-RayO v1.0
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< 1556133173 316628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: That's fine, but not what I was wondering about.
< 1556133200 932722 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry i misread your question
< 1556133240 892513 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone have some ideas about how to implement game rules that don't care about the order?
< 1556133302 932848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half the questions being asked here are spoilers.
< 1556133337 348926 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how they're spoilers
< 1556133349 780640 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them reference a specific level
< 1556133366 174274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they're things you might not think of trying, that will be useful in a specific level.
< 1556133368 344995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun of the game is to figure out the rules.
< 1556133382 176345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a fun of the game.
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< 1556134652 702651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1556134654 604139 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your omnidryad saddle principal ideal golfing toe-obsessed "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty eldrazi grinch is a punctual expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
< 1556134912 273984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Spoiler is ban | Welcome to the international stock market for esoteric programming language invention, implementation, ignorance, innovation, and integration! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf
< 1556134979 974464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( should that be capitalized )
< 1556135037 740503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? baba
< 1556135039 247650 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556135059 785986 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that's case sensitive, isn't it...
< 1556135102 558682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1556135131 669690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn BABA IS ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556135134 29629 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'baba': BABA IS ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1556136251 862629 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I think a unification engine would do it?
< 1556136264 232452 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think so
< 1556136368 102914 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it basically just a set of x = y rules?
< 1556136375 179923 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no internal variables
< 1556136405 242255 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you say there are some nondeterministic rules?
< 1556136616 571677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1556136710 891218 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that work?
< 1556136876 692853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One instance is zhygvcyr GRYR gnetrgf naq nabgure vafgnapr vf bevragngvba bs RZCGL VF K
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< 1556140338 142902 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't encountered RZCGL VF K
< 1556140350 937833 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds p. exciting
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< 1556140450 367522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that there are sprites for NAAVR walking?
< 1556140630 138389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. Sounds like the best.
< 1556140648 98518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have to rot13 in my head now since I'm at my phone.
< 1556140660 848834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch.
< 1556140673 739319 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess that one wasn't do bad.
< 1556140714 410710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this is my rot13 program: tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m... so a and n are easy :)
< 1556140768 649106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played the demo a long time ago. I think ORFG was in there.
< 1556140777 446054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it may have been KEKE
< 1556140779 10855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make sure you don't become so good at rot13 in your head you cannot avoid decoding it
< 1556140836 275085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous
< 1556140848 779916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll have to go to rot14
< 1556140888 669646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, orfg was there.
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< 1556141011 43253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
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< 1556141521 487306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You played the demo?
< 1556141554 529451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( SHACHAF is YOU. )
< 1556141568 293027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't play the demo.
< 1556141654 96003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have information regarding the existence of orfg
< 1556141748 493529 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it features in a level in the release, but is inaccessible as far as I can tell.
< 1556141852 277012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :j
< 1556141857 237531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1556141879 111038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the demo has KEKE IS BEST or something like that
< 1556141916 176217 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lonely Flag is the level (rocket area)
< 1556141949 684417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 there's a walkthrough so I'm not tempted to reinstall the game.
< 1556142110 180725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BABA IS BEST
< 1556142146 31574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's NAAV
< 1556142252 334788 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my bad.
< 1556142258 356126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION IS NOT BEST.
< 1556143745 962202 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a mitm inspection tool for mosh
< 1556143771 110642 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice thing about UDP is you can restart the MITM without restarting the client or the server!
< 1556143775 826626 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh just interprets it as a bout of packet loss
< 1556144056 21485 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you index a python3 bytestring you get an int and not a 1-byte bytestring
< 1556144061 869534 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's reasonable, but it was a bit surprising
< 1556144264 476391 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slowly but surely getting her programming mojo back
< 1556144451 663061 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness
< 1556144494 735263 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm does that do anything useful to an attacker without knowing the underlying key? I guess timing packets is of some interest... After a brief look, learning the key itself should be hard (unless you MITM the initial ssh connection as well, at least)
< 1556144524 964849 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be useful for timing and packet-length analysis, although you can observe that passively
< 1556144530 112053 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could also be useful for fuzzing
< 1556144535 8297 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not making it for security purposes
< 1556144542 558095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, just wondering :)
< 1556144557 933037 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I can do with this is drop packets or add lag as desired
< 1556144572 653933 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's the first step of my crazy scheme to run mosh over long distance shortwave radio
< 1556144617 421337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you are making a proxy/tunnel in the end. :)
< 1556144629 866618 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1556144654 352972 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I will be removing the encryption to comply with ham radio rules
< 1556144665 366144 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interpretation of the rules is that it's okay to keep the authentication tag
< 1556144670 31406 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I expect to have people argue with me about this
< 1556144678 342424 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since armchair rules lawyering is an important part of ham radio
< 1556144774 294081 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/ffKr7Xo.png
< 1556144779 134944 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is still encrypted for the time being)
< 1556144935 761561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, now I'm pondering the meaning of TL9H1MPF
< 1556144961 238096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* I've figured out the "LAPTOP" part of it though. :)
< 1556144988 178905 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just some hash that is assigned when you set up windows
< 1556145019 614953 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is called moshmodem
< 1556145071 575208 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it will translate UDP packets into audio output from your sound card, and audio input from the sound card into UDP packets
< 1556145090 859241 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what modulation scheme to use, probably something simple and dumb at first
< 1556145097 142444 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-tone FSK with a start tone, or something
< 1556145149 137536 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately mosh already has a checksum and handles dropped or corrupted packets
< 1556145157 543044 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I expect to get a lot of retransmits at that rate
< 1556145162 625624 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will reduce the already dismal data rate
< 1556145177 318958 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think some FEC would be called for, and modulation with better processing gain
< 1556145216 723476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the first 8 bytes of the packets (sequence numbers) don't look encrypted... can you cause trouble there? But maybe not, if these numbers are part of the message authentication.
< 1556145236 240693 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still feels wrong to have them in plain sight like that, to me.
< 1556145243 965772 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can already run Mosh over AX.25, but that's a bunch of complexity and setup hassle that isn't really necessary
< 1556145249 883527 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my scheme won't involve a network stack per se
< 1556145261 493759 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is a sequence number, which is also the nonce for AES-OCB
< 1556145287 684167 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can estimate the lifetime of a mosh session from there.
< 1556145541 610951 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true
< 1556145548 650326 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use random nonces instead
< 1556145552 978323 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the ocb nonce is long enough, i forget
< 1556145559 536699 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd still need a sequence number, but could encrypt it
< 1556145838 414981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a given key should be used to encrypt at most 2^48 blocks" <-- maybe not a concern for this particular use :)
< 1556145860 535893 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually code in there to abort the session if you hit that limit
< 1556145888 712378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun.
< 1556145932 468942 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, off to bed.
< 1556145943 406975 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl int-e
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< 1556147530 117301 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We deem it unlikely that a legitimate user will send 4 PB through a Mosh session. If it happens, we simply kill the session. The server and client use the same key, so we actually need to die after 2^47 blocks."
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< 1556181804 689339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: fungot outage for today. (Allegedly there's going to be some electrick kind of work here sometime in the following 8-hour window, shutting it down just to be safe.)
< 1556181804 754838 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: duk. goe take her hence
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< 1556182237 167988 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help
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< 1556218345 684393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, fungot outage continues. Electricity should've been back three hours ago already, but instead there was just a notice it might not get fixed today at all. :/
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< 1556219029 438311 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened?
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< 1556226643 944763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Unfortunately, the electricians hit a stumbling block at the very last point of reinstating electricity to those apartments currently affected."
< 1556226653 469799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No power until tomorrow.
< 1556226688 271728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They have tried a number of 24/7 emergency electrical suppliers but regrettably, none of these have the parts required in stock."
< 1556226765 392431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1556226994 527504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also a lot of redirecting-the-blame going on. This all started with Virgin Media contractors doing some cabling, which is now alleged to have caused the initial fault in some apartments, but today's "targeted fix" just had the effect of leaving more flats without electricity.)
< 1556227083 881926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how I would deal with it... food might actually be problematic (ordering pizza may be an option though).
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< 1556227482 459924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just ate an unreasonable amount of ice cream, because it was in the freezer and wouldn't've survived.
< 1556227552 888675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I had gotten one of those cheap but pretty bright USB LED lights earlier, so that + a USB battery pack is taking care of the lighting issue.
< 1556227589 860431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect there won't be any warm water though, so showering is bound to be... refreshing.
< 1556227688 499580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This place has a communal heating thing, but it relies on a "HIU" (heat interface unit, IIRC) which probably won't work without power.
< 1556228455 874926 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow, the fix made things worse
< 1556228457 647550 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great
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< 1556229189 71305 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.12.10.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunate
< 1556229270 864409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: That's why we prefer rollbacks instead of fixing-forward. But I guess that's harder for hardware than software.
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> 1556240861 467323 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61363&oldid=60890 5* 03Zane 5* (+309) 10
< 1556240966 246534 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a prepper and would be fine for 1-2 weeks at home with no power and no going out for supplies
< 1556241119 237365 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of water, canned and bulk food, gas-canister camp stove (outdoor use only!), various battery packs and LED lights and a zillion ham radios
< 1556241134 583072 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, it doesn't get very cold here, I have no way to heat the apartment as a whole
< 1556243587 708176 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you power the radios long-term?
< 1556243619 177760 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there a plan for times to use them/etc with the local hams
< 1556243765 909101 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is not a plan regarding times, that I know of
< 1556243804 475341 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I needed to get a message out, I would try several frequencies and repeaters that I know are popular and/or are involved with emergency stuff
< 1556243821 972237 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to get an idea of what's going on, I would just scan
< 1556243841 414646 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for power I have a variety of battery packs laying around, and some solar panels (tho most of them are in off-site storage atm)
< 1556244203 754782 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When DOS games output 3d as interleaved scan lines, can I assume 1 scan line = 1 pixel?
< 1556244647 352004 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have a hand-crank radio, AM/FM broadcast receive only, but it has a USB power output and in *theory* I can charge one of the ham radios from it
< 1556244655 541548 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how much cranking would be required
< 1556244663 642042 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must get old
< 1556244668 56217 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, AM/FM and NOAA weather radio)
< 1556244670 167088 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not sure that quite counts as "prepper".
< 1556244685 663448 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't have an underground bunker with 500 boxes of ammunition?
< 1556244699 710546 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you are well prepared for an emergency, but that's not "prepped to survive for months, or the fall of western civilization"
< 1556244715 960217 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more... prepped well to survive if an earthquake happens in the Bay.
< 1556244717 951420 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still more than most people :P
< 1556244724 81538 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for sure.
> 1556245130 439880 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61364&oldid=60891 5* 03Zane 5* (+318) 10
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< 1556245428 185973 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__, usually, though sometimes pixels are non-square
< 1556245450 795329 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :because with CRTs, pixels can be however big the graphics card decides
< 1556245541 469437 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on B&W CRTs sure
< 1556245573 347155 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you're below the dot pitch, it's fine on color CRTs too
< 1556245588 839551 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on color, I think you are still limited by the color mask
< 1556245592 964134 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1556245613 525231 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but *most* color crts are good enough to play DOS games
< 1556245626 68729 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, any color computer monitors
< 1556245681 836876 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. In principle a DOS game _could_ use whatever graphics interfaces it likes to go super high res, but in practice DOS games only went as far as 640x480 (and often less)
< 1556245714 218457 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tektronix made some interesting non-mask-based color CTRs: https://hackaday.com/2019/01/17/sharpest-color-crt-display-is-monochrome-plus-a-trick/
< 1556245754 690209 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to convert interleaved to SBS, each row I guess alternates left and right?
< 1556245754 868131 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a monochrome CRT with some LCD-controlled color filters in front of it
< 1556245758 167354 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :row of pixels?
< 1556245765 781183 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If DOSBox were to be at original size
< 1556245925 17215 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tek also made storage tubes, where you draw vectors with the electron beam and they stay there through some kind of magic
< 1556245948 78105 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool demo with an amazing retro-computing vibe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IztxeoHhoyM
< 1556246005 605420 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were used for CAD workstations for a time, when it was too expensive to have the computer constantly re-drawing all vectors
< 1556246549 44241 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's really cool
< 1556246555 445069 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a couple of the storage toobs
< 1556246568 724295 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh!
< 1556246572 376686 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you come by those
< 1556246585 777460 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :storage CRTs were also used as RAM by some *really* old computers
< 1556246597 789746 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :the university garbage
< 1556246602 709669 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, williams tubes
< 1556246618 350576 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :predating core memory, predating even delay lines I think
< 1556246620 14693 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a display that I walk by every day with one in it
< 1556246631 494390 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or contemporary... I guess delay lines were developed for radar first
< 1556246632 189197 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think delay lines were first, but I'm not positive
< 1556246633 579603 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1556246641 21032 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever been to the computer history museum in mountain view?
< 1556246695 199755 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, haven't been to SF in too long
< 1556246703 182460 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be in palo alto for the summer
< 1556246708 795345 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1556246779 492136 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me and/or my roommate) have a 603a and I have a 7000 series scope at my parents house
< 1556246881 774238 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one thing that we found which we couldn't just liberate, it's going to the LCM in Seattle
< 1556246931 842154 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying no to share many details
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< 1556249316 505044 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessss
< 1556249336 29735 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend has a tek 7000 storage scope
< 1556249364 866119 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvuunpjzubdepftz PRIVMSG #esoteric :with regular time base and amp modules but also a 7D02 debugger
< 1556249756 21661 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That museum is pretty sweet.
< 1556249777 102997 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not been there
< 1556249780 608466 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds great
< 1556249794 745235 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the Museum of Communications right
< 1556249803 90936 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went there when I was a small child
< 1556249806 193362 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember much
< 1556250055 343938 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a couple IRC friends who volunteer there
< 1556250066 9523 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sounds pretty cool
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< 1556268624 329620 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 16*38
< 1556268624 990602 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 608
< 1556268715 592730 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 24*3.79
< 1556268716 318895 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 90.96
< 1556270099 155214 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like J
< 1556270106 818151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm thinking of dc
< 1556270109 676594 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does look like J
< 1556270115 149892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ i.10
< 1556270115 811507 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
< 1556270127 764341 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just multiplications. J can do them fine.
< 1556270139 959092 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e print 24*3.79
< 1556270140 868255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yeah, I was mixed up
< 1556270141 33334 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :90.96
< 1556270156 88793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e 24 3.79*p
< 1556270157 205459 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :90.96
< 1556270176 668977 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -e print 24*3.79
< 1556270178 644180 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: -e \ usage: python3 [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... \ Try `python -h' for more information.
< 1556270184 59303 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -c print 24*3.79
< 1556270186 267019 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "", line 1 \ print 24*3.79 \ ^ \ IndentationError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'
< 1556270191 737443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: python3 wants parens after print
< 1556270194 156015 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -c print(24*3.79)
< 1556270195 763019 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "", line 1 \ print(24*3.79) \ ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
< 1556270210 268585 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cprint(24*3.79)
< 1556270211 990839 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :90.96000000000001
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< 1556272335 860325 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another problem I am having with greek letters
< 1556272358 815957 :vertrex!~vertrex@unaffiliated/vertrex QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1556272379 439603 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Ϟ supposed to be curly and ϟ straight or the other way round
< 1556272410 811698 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia shows one, unicode code charts show the other way
< 1556272447 797973 :vertrex!~vertrex@unaffiliated/vertrex JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556272490 95252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Follow your heart
< 1556272505 960636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say upper case forms tend to be less curly than lower case forms, in my experience
< 1556272596 132505 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so that would make Ϟ the straight one
< 1556275146 782655 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also adding ׯ
< 1556275182 55074 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ׯ
< 1556275183 258714 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+05EF HEBREW YOD TRIANGLE]
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< 1556284224 926042 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wrote a polyglot
< 1556284232 154298 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/python/.../chess
< 1556284235 175013 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.e4
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> 1556293130 616961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Revolution 914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61365&oldid=53225 5* 03HereToAnnoy 5* (-199) 10sorry guys i'm retarded
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< 1556301943 948633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556304062 619700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's electricity again, but the fungot box doesn't have the "turn on after recovering power" option, so fungot outage will persist until I can reach the power switch.
< 1556304104 372153 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-205.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this site? https://code-golf.io/
< 1556304108 542880 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-205.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie
< 1556304344 386494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but it's very J-dominated.
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< 1556304438 481944 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay electricity
< 1556304538 677299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, according to the latest update letter "we are not out the woods yet as this is a temporary repair, however we are now in a position to have time on our side and can plan for the next stage --".
< 1556304563 863476 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556304566 326779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you can really call that "having time on our side", really.
< 1556304603 808013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me that sort of suggests things would get better by just waiting.
< 1556304682 342251 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@89.189.144.122.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv
< 1556305048 710500 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps "we've bought some time" would be better
< 1556305078 388253 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"time is still against us but not quite so rabidly so for the moment"
< 1556305094 223719 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think the power company here would be so forthcoming about things
< 1556305104 171146 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have more of a "fuck you" attitude
< 1556305132 19041 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a privately traded for-profit company, which exists to make dividends for its shareholders, which has a legal monopoly to provide electrical and gas service
< 1556305159 105422 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been fined many times for misbehavior but their only way to recoup that money is to raise rates so...
< 1556305219 10974 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they went bankrupt this year, but still paid out huge bonuses
< 1556305244 997980 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it's better than Enron.
< 1556305901 154566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556306158 299597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, these haven't been from the power company, they've been from the management company for the building.
< 1556306582 993794 :APic_!apic@187-114-203-185.place5.ungleich.ch JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1556306934 115453 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: *fupp*
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< 1556307075 830944 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1556307685 793272 :APic_!apic@187-114-203-185.place5.ungleich.ch NICK :APic
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< 1556310526 866813 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovoo: you were asking about my off-grid radio power options, here's one of them: https://imgur.com/a/PC7e00e
< 1556310711 422136 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added an 8-port Powerpole distribution block and a Powerpole to car accessory socket cable. So I can run both of my mobile radios as well as a USB charger or other car accessory from a single battery pack
< 1556310732 19085 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's on top of the big lead-acid batteries and solar panels
< 1556310736 443834 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are less convenient to carry around
< 1556310901 576612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556310908 110700 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the box pictured weighs 3.6 kg / 7.9 lb
> 1556311153 288353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Control Character14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61366&oldid=60974 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+88) 10
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< 1556311725 23791 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-205.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice
< 1556311757 978126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-205.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you also have a working car charger for this?
< 1556311812 223730 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, not yet
< 1556315101 396093 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first was about 1000 km, San Francisco to Phoenix, AZ
< 1556315116 19253 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the same day I got 7,400 km to Sakhalin
< 1556315134 887376 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few days later 9,800 km to Tambov, Russia
< 1556315140 451001 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's on FT8 though... easy mode
< 1556315234 645066 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window
< 1556315236 366741 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever
< 1556315312 410165 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-205.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1556315365 947054 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1556317160 748014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a NNTP client software using SQLite?
< 1556317344 178491 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc115608-york6-2-0-cust168.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
> 1556318576 385911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61367&oldid=61063 5* 03Void 5* (+116) 10/* Implementations */
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> 1556319699 16177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BoredKat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61368&oldid=60897 5* 03KerbalEngineer 5* (-191) 10
> 1556319728 403158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03KerbalEngineer 5* 10moved [[02BoredKat10]] to [[Dimensional]]
> 1556319759 807516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dimensional14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61371&oldid=61369 5* 03KerbalEngineer 5* (-36) 10Blanked the page
> 1556319780 159487 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KerbalEngineer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61372&oldid=60896 5* 03KerbalEngineer 5* (-15) 10
> 1556319807 11455 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dimensional14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61373&oldid=61371 5* 03KerbalEngineer 5* (+53) 10
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< 1556327205 919547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556327287 852028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I have a large set of strings of distinct letters, all of which contain the same letters (i.e. they're all anagrams of each other); each is split into tiers (with letters in the same tier being consecutive within the string), and letters within the same tier can be reordered freely
< 1556327324 850726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aim is to do this tier-shuffling to make as many of the strings identical as possible (i.e. to have the fewest number of distinct strings afterwards)
< 1556327367 612913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples: "(cab)(dfe)" and "(ba)(fdce)" can eah be rearranged into "(abc)(def)" and "(ab)(cdef)" respectively, so they can both be made the same
< 1556327427 200930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find an algorithm for solving this problem; is it possible to have three such strings that can pairwise be made to match, but cannot collectively be made to match? if so, it's probably NP-complete, in which case I'm looking for an algorithm to find an approximate solution efficiently
< 1556327451 553623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this problem actually came up during esolang development, although I suspect it'd be ontopic here even if the context were different…)
< 1556327473 160724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 5638 such strings, so doing this by hand would take way too long
< 1556327536 584047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the answer of your question.
< 1556327571 511257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if anyone knew it already, but was hoping that someone would see a way to work it out
< 1556327613 911937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to see if two lists are compatible with each other (you can convert the "must come before" relations to directed graph edges and do a topological sort)
< 1556327977 8493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bleh, it's probably NP-complete anyway, I think you can probably encode the exact cover problem in it?
< 1556328096 792865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not, our primitives are "can be placed in the same set" rather than "belongs in this specific set", which may make enough of a difference to the meaning of n to change the complexity class
< 1556328287 924536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "decompose a graph into a minimal number of cliques" NP-complete? at least that sounds generic enough that someone might have worked on it already
< 1556328325 59247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clique_cover says it's NP-complete, bleh
< 1556328338 780339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that Lynx supports NNTP just fine; you can go to nntp://zzo38computer.org/ and it will list the newsgroups and messages, and allow posting new messages to them.
< 1556328358 324525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless this specific instance happens to collapse into sub-NP special case, I'll need to find an approximate solution
< 1556328990 671961 :zemhill_______!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.le-basic-rush-2: points -8.98, score 12.80, rank 44/47
< 1556329844 216368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who that is; they've (just about) gotten onto the leaderboard, at least
< 1556329865 200719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to win, when it wins, by getting so far inside the enemy decoy setup that they don't even notice they've been infiltrated
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< 1556330013 697087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the win against finnel is bizarre, though, it seems to be able to outrace finnel's complex offset clear with its very simple and straightforward clear /even though/ its decoys are inside finnel's offset!
< 1556330020 7792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's incredibly close and quite fun to watch
< 1556330050 757356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's on long sieve-polarity tapes, the other situations are more normal)
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< 1556361882 224035 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this is cool
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> 1556367083 770862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61374&oldid=61336 5* 03A 5* (-5) 10Change odd subheading: it changes its opinion about Turing-completeness.
> 1556368330 221495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61375&oldid=61335 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10/* List of candidates */
> 1556368633 24113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61376&oldid=61374 5* 03A 5* (+62) 10I always felt uncomfortable when I see this.
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< 1556371933 453237 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the new square era name ㋿ to my font
< 1556372057 280153 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if your terminal font has been updated that will appear as 令和 crammed into one space)
> 1556372149 919701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Void 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Cube4.png10]]"
> 1556372183 327734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61378&oldid=61367 5* 03Void 5* (+73) 10/* Jumping processes */
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< 1556372325 203238 :user24!~user24@p200300ECD7228B00BC1439FE54847B01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a definition of 'minor edit' somewhere?
< 1556372355 445209 :user24!~user24@p200300ECD7228B00BC1439FE54847B01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it matter which one it is if it is my own article?
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> 1556373690 293657 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Void 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Qr process image.png10]]"
> 1556373728 950416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61380&oldid=61378 5* 03Void 5* (+89) 10/* Jumping processes */
< 1556374648 871757 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your own judgement
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< 1556391212 99514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can the strings have repeated letters?
< 1556391218 378473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the anagram question
< 1556391265 545639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "I have 5638 such strings" => how long are they?
< 1556391318 388496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "is "decompose a graph into a minimal number of cliques" NP-complete?" => yes, because that's the chromatic number of the complement of the graph
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> 1556393536 896334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Total Vacuum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61381&oldid=61333 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+1) 10
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> 1556394315 355244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bfstack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61385&oldid=46428 5* 03Coates 5* (-1) 10Fixed typo
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< 1556394925 792534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you allow repeated letters, than (a)(ab)(a) can match both (ab)(aa) and (aa)(ab), but the latter two can't match
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< 1556396399 809621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have the feeling that this might be easier if I knew matroid theory
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< 1556402299 593253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to implement x+=strlen(x) it should not be necessary to actually calculate the length of the string; you should just advance the pointer to the next zero byte. If the compiler knows what strlen() means then it should be able to optimize it, but it doesn't seem to do.
< 1556402435 566105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do any better for x = strchr(x, '\0') then?
< 1556402514 70753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I haven't tried. But they should presumably be the same thing, isn't it?
< 1556402663 479225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should have the same effect.
< 1556402691 406728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, the version of GCC I have translates `char *g(char *x) { return strchr(x, '\0'); }` into a call to `strlen`, which is kind of interesting.
< 1556402736 316267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ix.io/1HoR
< 1556402854 895235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the logic there might be that strlen is a highly optimized implementation for locating a zero byte, while a generic strchr implementation can't be as good.
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< 1556403236 903011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would something like REPNE SCASB work?
< 1556405207 5595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1556405207 280224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 272220Z 09010KT CAVOK 14/01 Q1016 RMK WIND 670FT 12011KT
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> 1556409818 684432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61387&oldid=60811 5* 03DMC 5* (-1) 10/* Truth Machine */
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< 1556411852 128529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I analyzed the Google Ngrams data to produce a list of bytes in UTF-8 encoded English in frequency order (\b = word boundary, Ngrams doesn't record what nature the word boundary had but it's normally a space) \betaoinsrhldcufmpg\"wyb.vkTI1ASC,xE-'MH20PBRN;LO93WDFq8G54()j67z:J\342\200U\224VYK?!X*/\302Q][Z\242&\$^\303%\260\243\251\253\273>\\\247=<\320+_|~}\240\321\250\236#\241{\274\263\204\244\255\276\261\252\223\202\201\266\256\277\265\234\@\254\235\26
< 1556411853 656564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :270\237\264\272\305\245\222\226\357\275\271\203\267\217\233\211\210\207\257\216\215\232\246\220\214\213\231\230\205\221\225\343\227\206`\344\212\345\347\346
< 1556411874 642978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting seeing capital letters mixed in with the lowercase like that
< 1556412084 791721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the ASCII from the above: etaoinsrhldcufmpg"wyb.vkTI1ASC,xE-'MH20PBRN;LO93WDFq8G54()j67z:JUVYK?!X*/Q][Z&$^%>\=<+_|~}#{@`
< 1556412132 973407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the position of " seems to be an anomaly, presumably it's a consequence of books with lots of dialogue?
< 1556412261 871258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are constructions like (a)(b) versus (b)(a) versus (ab), so the compatibility restriction here isn't transitively closed, but that list isn't pairwise compatible (because (a)(b) isn't compatible with (b)(a))
< 1556412300 657130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my 5638 strings are each reorderings of the above byte list, so no repeated characters
< 1556412324 310903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to generate context-sensitive Huffman codes for English, and looking for a way to compress the resulting codebook into, ideally, less than a megabyte or so)
< 1556412392 236945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell user24 normally a "minor edit" is one that doesn't change the meaning of the page, so it's things like typo fixes, formatting fixes and grammar fixes; anything which changes the meaning of what's written on the page should be marked non-minor
< 1556412392 279223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1556415454 50895 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :love is defeat, love is love
< 1556415463 808569 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played BIY on the plaaaaaaane
< 1556416024 562325 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to the space levels
< 1556416027 308476 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gurer ner fbzr vagrerfgvat guvatf lbh pna qb jvgu 'rzcgl'. bar guvat V'z jbaqrevat vf jurgure 'rzcgl vf chyy' vf tbbq sbe nalguvat, vg frrzf gb rssrpgviryl cerirag lbh sebz zbivat ohg gur tnzr qbrfa'g fhttrfg erfgnegvat gur yriry jura guvf unccraf
< 1556416110 889859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it only suggests restarting when nothing is you.
< 1556416206 493421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully it will still let you to restart even if it is not a suggestion
< 1556421666 509756 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, you can restart any time
< 1556421675 958926 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also undo by single steps
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< 1556421992 174456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you restart right now
< 1556421999 1434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i single-dog dare you
< 1556422090 756912 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because i'm not playing
< 1556422094 983574 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean restart my life
< 1556422098 56721 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case also no
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< 1556422470 623754 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
< 1556422491 283545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome gerzytet
< 1556422493 198507 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerzytet: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1556422569 904190 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I browse that wiki a lot. Came here because of BF joust.
< 1556422692 639474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is frequency in words, not frequency in text, right?
< 1556422712 668132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no, never mind.
< 1556422722 187593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's frequency in text (i.e. weighted by how often the word appears in text)
< 1556422736 55274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1556422739 172018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source information was a list of words and their frequencies, so I extrapolated frequency in text from there
< 1556422809 424659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I forgot that was available.
< 1556422835 17142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a use for UTF-8 byte frequencies?
< 1556422861 851601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes: I'm trying to make context-dependent Huffman tables, and I'm making them predict a byte at a time
< 1556422882 25650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, obviously I should read everything you said rather than respond as I see each line.
< 1556422906 593434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc once asked me about something similar to this.
< 1556422914 333586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually compressing the resulting set of tables optimally is probably NP-complete, but I'm using a compression algo which I hope is decent enough
< 1556422939 747010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: if you have 16 bytes of valid UTF-8, not necessarily starting or ending on a character boundary, and you map each byte to an element of the set K = { ASCII, Start2Byte, Start3Byte, Start4Byte, Continuation }, how many distinct values of K^16 can you create?
< 1556422943 741610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the same problem.
< 1556422988 232574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to treat some of the start and continuation bytes separately so that you don't end up, e.g. encoding a surrogate
< 1556423016 858381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the context of that problem was decoding valid UTF-8.
< 1556423037 491931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :surrogates are the worst
< 1556423045 687711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 should just go away. twh
< 1556423050 513787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for my use-case, I don't know that the input is valid UTF-8, and it might legitimately be invalid UTF-8, but I think that valid UTF-8 is rather more probable
< 1556423062 984068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so invalid UTF-8 is getting longer encodings in the Huffman trees
< 1556423085 702395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you meant your use case. Sure.
< 1556423193 60011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is another reason to work at the byte rather than character level – we don't know encodings for certain)
< 1556423289 283508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just working with the google 1grams is data-heavy enough; I'd like to do the same sort of thing with the 2grams at some point but I don't think I have enough disk space
< 1556423776 421522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you have comments for these new Magic: the Gathering cards nntp://zzo38computer.org/doc.news.conspiracies0@zzo38computer.org
< 1556423892 929626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doc.news.conspiracies" is somewhere to post M:tG cards?
< 1556423908 950062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No; that is a message ID.
< 1556423973 905952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I prepare the messages in a directory ~/doc/news and then the file is called "conspiracies0", so I assigned that as the message ID. You are not required to use this scheme for your own message IDs; it is only for my own convenience and nothing else.)
< 1556423990 233431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The newsgroup name is "un2.org.zzo38computer.magic.custom")
< 1556424034 756535 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust little (->+>)*4(>[(+)*4[-]]+)*10000
< 1556424035 95164 :zemhill_______!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerzytet.little: points -7.55, score 14.28, rank 40/47
< 1556424248 605911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't use NNTP.
< 1556424279 685257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, but only for communicating with Usenet
< 1556424301 33673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That URL works with Lynx. If you do not have Lynx, another way to download it is to connect on port 119 and enter the command: ARTICLE
< 1556425296 336669 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after some messing around, I found that this program has about the same point score (-7.52) as my rush: >+<(++-)*-1. I have no idea how that's just as effective
< 1556425328 640136 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think THAT many warriors would suicide
< 1556425555 719480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerzytet: warriors that set many decoys tend to do better on the hill, so warriors that prey on decoy-heavy strategies also tend to survive
< 1556425576 348968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means that decoy-light strategies will often beat a reasonable proportion of opponents, although they rarely do /very/ well
< 1556425685 987100 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of strategies are used to counter decoy-heavy warriors?
< 1556425743 556554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is to try to guess the length of the tape from the opponent's decoy placement, e.g. you can assume it probably goes several cells beyond what you suspect is a decoy
< 1556425780 785231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is to take advantage of the time the opponent spends setting up their decoys somehow, typically getting "inside" the decoy setup without the opponent realising you have and probing around to try to find the flag
< 1556425957 820932 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that second one only work if the opponent does a reverse decoy setup?
< 1556425974 884556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, unless the decoys near the flag are so small that you can get past them within your probe loop
< 1556426188 449060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, there are some programs, like ais523.margins, that do attempt to exploit the fact that many programs suicide or get stuck against an actively defended flag
< 1556426197 851984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(margins attempts to win on tape length 10 and 11 and draw everything else)
< 1556426293 686604 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, basically what I got out of your description was: you've got one program that starts near the middle and build decoys in towards the flag, but the program on the other side jumps past using tripwire avoidance or whatever, and steamrolls past lightly defended/undefended territory
< 1556426336 186377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are many cases of that happening on the hill (especially on shorter tape lengths)
< 1556426387 651510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, there's little risk to setting up decoys on a long tape, and huge risk on a short tape (the opponent will just rule-of-nine past them), but the problem is you don't know how long the tape is in advance
< 1556426407 404831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs will attempt to figure out the approximate tape length by looking for enemy decoys; that's another way that not setting decoys can gain
< 1556426570 848399 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a program like that have a wait a little bit so give the enemy a chance to setup decoys, especially on shorter tapes?
< 1556426937 240402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can set up decoys of its own meanwhile
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< 1556444556 320121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah right, that's a simpler example for not being transitive
< 1556444739 7681 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerzytet: so are you the person who submitted web.le-basic-rush-2 to zemhill yesterday?
< 1556446016 694121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 48*0.0254
< 1556446017 469914 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1.2192
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< 1556454824 201672 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flat earth
< 1556454825 774844 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat earth? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556455058 943838 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.144.122.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1556455440 525768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hangar
< 1556455444 558918 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangar? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556455530 564673 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: food
< 1556455531 858766 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, nutella, and cognac.
< 1556455532 350996 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushrooms
< 1556455533 628732 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushrooms? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556455663 920355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math
< 1556455665 800235 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? linear logic
< 1556455666 535777 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, linear logic, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
< 1556455667 570647 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556455807 87283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? universe
< 1556455808 337450 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the universe
< 1556455812 880651 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A universe is a poem in one stanza.
< 1556455814 202513 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. Escardó proved that it was indiscreet.
< 1556455950 325639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1556455951 704607 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ruin
< 1556455951 922953 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1556455952 837383 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruin? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556457219 30560 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progress
< 1556457220 185832 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb.
< 1556457580 917158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A flat earth clock was pretty high up in Play Store's chart of top selling Android apps.
< 1556457655 199363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flatearthsun -- today it's showing up at position #112, which is less high up.
< 1556457739 416786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rogermwilcox.com/square_earth.html
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< 1556458311 847940 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: if you were to take a language like befunge-98, and remove all the instructions that can modify/read from the program space, is the stack alone enough to maintain turing-completeness, assuming an infinite stack?
< 1556458389 429389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge-98 doesn't have just a stack, it has a stack stack.
> 1556458408 262012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61393&oldid=61392 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+274) 10/* Instructions */
< 1556458491 210772 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, forgot about that
< 1556458595 997158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single stack is generally not enough to be TC, hence Befunge-93 (which has a fixed-size 80x25 playfield) isn't.
< 1556458694 829793 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there are counterexamples though?
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< 1556459299 382585 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but doesn't befunge have a pick instruction that can reach deep into the stack using an index? hmm, let me look up befunge
< 1556459321 170866 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to know this stuff, I nominated it as a featured article
< 1556459352 495805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it doesn't have a pick instruction
< 1556459380 624519 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, befunge-98?
< 1556459382 702363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see
< 1556459487 354900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what fizzie says, it has some extra "stack stack" instructions
< 1556459489 508661 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those probably help
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< 1556461183 330396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Funge-98 in fact does have a "pick" instruction as well, it's just disguised: the y "Get Sysinfo" instruction can be used to pick.
< 1556461217 276254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An interesting side-effect of this behaviour is that if y is given an argument that exceeds the number of cells it pushes onto the stack, it can act as a 'pick' instruction on data that was on the stack before y was even executed."
< 1556461241 640146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From https://github.com/catseye/Funge-98/blob/master/doc/funge98.markdown
< 1556461281 663928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's very inconvenient, because the number of cells pushed by y is variable.)
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< 1556461510 588960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm
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< 1556461534 703257 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but can't you use the stack in stack instructions to deal with that variability?
< 1556461541 977829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really I don't understand how those stack stack instructions work
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< 1556462302 183553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pretty idiosyncratic, though you can implement a pick using them directly.
< 1556462455 936550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :5{1u:00p01-u5}00g is essentially "peek at cell 5", using location (0, 0) as scratch space.
< 1556462627 225794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...er, not quite, thanks to the storage offset.
< 1556462640 53900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The storage offset is such a pain.
< 1556462799 625852 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um, but gerzytet asked what you can do without using cells as storage. if you have the p and g commands to use cells as storage, then you can just use that for most of your memory, and just a few slots of stack for commands.
< 1556462822 434266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need braces then, you can just put the whole stack into cells then
< 1556462851 75021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I was just talking about picking from the stack in general.
< 1556462908 684018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can do it without the scratch space as well, because you can use u to reverse the order of topmost N cells on the stack.
< 1556462917 700956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, u can do that?
< 1556462927 509721 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even better
> 1556462958 489735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61408&oldid=61407 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+916) 10/* Conditional looping */
< 1556463034 645157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, assuming you don't need to restore a previous storage offset, 5{$$05-u000} should reverse the order of the 5 topmost cells.
< 1556463107 445344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also assuming two spatial dimensions.
< 1556463170 21089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the stack stack was initially ...[... a b c d e f], then 5{$$ makes it ...[... a][b c d e f], the 05-u moves the elements back with a push-pop loop resulting in ...[... a f e d c b][], and the 000} gets rid of the empty stack on top, setting the storage offset to (0, 0).
< 1556463982 349896 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 0.0254*3%16
< 1556463983 82178 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 0.0047625
< 1556467480 968938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do some Funge-98 implementations have options to define the character coding in use for the source file? You might specify either 8-bit coding or 31-bit UTF-8 coding (this is the range specified by the Funge-98 documentation, which is far more than Unicode); you could also allow overlong UTF-8 sequences to allow line break characters to appear directly in Funge-Space. A fingerprint definition for Glk can also be made.
< 1556468652 325585 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe turing complete language with just a stack could be done by having the stack act like the C call stack, but also include pieces of code
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< 1556479391 317675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? we
< 1556479392 776630 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are the champions.
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> 1556481062 862107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Alvarito050506 5* 10New user account
> 1556481438 318390 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61409&oldid=61406 5* 03Alvarito050506 5* (+167) 10
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< 1556483358 132340 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.157 NICK :arseniiv
< 1556483834 17696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any software for PC with CGA or MDA using hardware scrolling?
< 1556484759 381273 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1556485002 219418 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, Commander Keen first trilogy does on CGA, scrolls in an increment of 4 pixels which makes the scrolling a bit jittery
< 1556485033 452961 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great game though, especially the second one. best level design ever, where it uses coke cans and scrubs in an innovative way.
< 1556485080 807203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coke cans are score items, but unlike others, they're also solid if you land on them from the above (not from the side or below); scrubs are enemy sprites that don't hurt you, climb around on walls even upside down, and you can stand on them
< 1556485087 613974 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also push you
< 1556485156 51828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware scrolling in low resolution graphics mode is always a multiple of eight pixels (if it is horizontal), I think. (Vertical scrolling in graphics mode would be a multiple of two pixels.)
< 1556485221 166976 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's eight pixels, I don't really remember
< 1556485225 67923 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played it for years
< 1556485235 267209 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find out by looking at youtube videos of its gameplay
< 1556485684 920190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any program use hardware scrolling with text mode?
< 1556485781 133840 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even possible?
< 1556485795 270453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how CGA and EGA hardware work
< 1556485849 664439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is possible (although only by a multiple of a character cell; fine scrolling is not possible)
< 1556485878 117952 :sombrero!b5cb5483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.84.131 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556485892 986761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556485909 314428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any comments of the many conspiracy cards of Magic: the Gathering cards that I posted to Unusenet recently?
< 1556485925 784839 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-145.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556485930 842562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find scrolling in VGA text mode, but only horizontal scrolling of one line, and on modern hardware
< 1556485938 910519 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simply updated the font quickly in every frame
< 1556485971 39825 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at those cards. have you added them to the textfiles website on gopher? or have you abandonned that in favor of nntp?
< 1556485990 702599 :sombrero!b5cb5483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.84.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARDON THE INTERRUPTION, does someone have insider news of the Minix "issue" https://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/intel/minix issuemi ??
< 1556486038 198481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have that file, although I intend to now use it for once the cards are actually ready, instead. Currently they have no names, and may need review; I should preferably do that first before putting them into the file, I think.
< 1556486054 718284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That way they can be discussed first before being published properly.)
< 1556486087 508710 :sombrero!b5cb5483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.84.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/intel/
< 1556486091 6138 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could put them in a different file?
< 1556486256 6757 :sombrero!b5cb5483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.84.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the the intel-minix issue inside your Intel thing ..if you use intel
< 1556486269 938311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sombrero: I don't know much about Minix
< 1556486294 767020 :sombrero!b5cb5483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.84.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don´t also
< 1556486340 537908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: They are in the file on the NNTP. (You do not need any special software in order to access it; I even added the POSTQUIT command to make it convenient to reply without any special NNTP software, too.)
< 1556486404 152359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Simply type ARTICLE followed by the message ID with < and > around it.)
< 1556486428 612406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also post your own ideas there, if you have your own ideas of new Magic: the Gathering cards, please!)
< 1556486611 613819 :sombrero!b5cb5483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.181.203.84.131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a last info in this direction, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iffTJ1vPCSo , but there is no much more info in this topic
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< 1556491366 33472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBOX has no command to set the date/time. If I add a program to do that, will it work (for the current session only)?
< 1556491394 341426 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does DOSbox even get its idea of time? System local time?
< 1556491424 339807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it seems to do
< 1556492433 765410 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc115608-york6-2-0-cust168.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556492929 108425 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno, ask the TASers or ais523, I think they use dosbox and set the time to manipulate randomness in DOS games
< 1556493025 866390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I tried doesn't seems to work. I tried assembly language (with DEBUG), and I also tried BASIC, but in both cases, it won't set the time.
< 1556493043 971451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-33.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not sure about it, but it's worth a chance that they know
< 1556493224 544179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe overriding the interrupt table will work? I don't know
< 1556493568 71027 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.54.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ladyv0jibb hmm
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< 1556499592 150727 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? a
< 1556499593 310329 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is one of seven villages in Norway. The BBC invented them by not understanding things on top of letters.
< 1556499612 483925 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ?
< 1556499617 7427 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? is wisdom
< 1556499629 285608 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `?
< 1556499631 99594 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556499645 54138 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1556499646 562091 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
< 1556499660 568793 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ø
< 1556499661 919878 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø is not going anywhere.
< 1556499885 11721 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do the entries come from?
< 1556500421 444599 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn
< 1556500422 567262 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn creates a wisdom entry and tries to guess which word is the key. Syntax (case insensitive): `learn [a|an|the] [s][punctuation] [...]
< 1556500506 856595 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1556500739 995308 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556500741 413305 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556500754 616713 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556500755 305666 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1556500760 159457 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556500762 799748 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'fungu': a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556500810 238782 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tries to guess which word is the key", I thought that meant it would try to guess what you're describing
< 1556500813 127148 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1556501194 252331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's suitably surreal to be a wisdom entry nevertheless; but the depluralization went wrong there.
< 1556501221 472343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/fungu wisdom/fungus # you may opt to `forget it if you wish
< 1556501223 259456 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1556501314 341077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full list is at https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom if you're bored.
< 1556501337 266229 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cracked myself up afterwards that it now thinks a 'fungu' is a species of fungus, so that's good enough
< 1556501405 566850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a good set of factoids about things that "are just" other things: https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.15102
< 1556501903 512209 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn toilet elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
< 1556501906 514079 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toilet': toilet elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
< 1556502015 288740 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget toilet
< 1556502017 549171 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1556502027 677765 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn toilet is elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
< 1556502030 313402 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'toilet': toilet is elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
< 1556502495 486613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556502516 959663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't depluralize very well, even if the program is complicated, especially if you do not know the context. Making the plural however is more easily to do (although even then it might not be what you wanted).
< 1556502521 18763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: we use JPC-RR for TASing, not DOSbox
< 1556502536 718977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a TAS created on DOSbox once but it was really hacky and thus possibly didn't control the date and time at all
< 1556502656 681383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know if it would work to override the interrupt table to control the date/time? (not for TASing though; just for other purpose) (Does DOSBOX even support TSR? Even if not, it could probably be done, if overriding the interrupt table works at all.)
< 1556502791 525304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be surprised if it didn't support TSR
< 1556502805 737076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether overriding the interrupt table would work would depend on how the game read the date and titme
< 1556502822 542651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can imagine programs that read the RTC chip directly without using DOS's interrupt-based API
< 1556502834 885172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they're using interrupts to ask what the date and time are, overriding the interrupt table would work
< 1556502866 185925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another possibility might be to use some sort of wrapper around DOSbox to control DOSbox's idea of the real date and time
< 1556502981 857016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that dates and times on files are probably taken from the filesystem, so changing the running program's or DOSbox's idea of the time will probably not change the timestamps for created files
< 1556503056 734128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, another way would be to modify DOSbox to implement the date/time setting functions, I suppose; although then if there is a new version and they didn't merge those functions into the official version then you will have to do it by yourself instead.
< 1556503117 373234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you use a disk image file then it might change the timestamps for created files (if the date/time function was even implemented at all)
< 1556503122 344941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSbox doesn't seem to emulate DOS's "date" command (which I assume would be implemented by a file date.com)
< 1556503263 730872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DOS function call to set the date/time doesn't work.
< 1556503326 895106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wrote a short program to do so, and it doesn't work. I also tried doing it in BASIC, and in BASIC it doesn't work either. If you type TIME$="06:00:00" and then ?TIME$ it will not remember the time setting.)
< 1556504560 920909 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all the jokes about Taneb on the wisdom dictionary
< 1556504636 965576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What jokes?
< 1556504755 725079 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention
< 1556504756 994720 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1556504772 357192 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people who taneb is not
< 1556504774 569917 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond. Pending approval: Shigeru Miyamoto.
< 1556504787 270818 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more
< 1556504946 280955 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why does https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom/ha have a different permission setting than any of the other files?
< 1556505481 20530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerzytet: I'm personally not a fan about the wisdom database, but most of the anomalies like tanebventions are originally bad jokes that then turned into running jokes and got more and more elaborate
> 1556505584 648478 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Esolime14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61410 5* 03Esolime 5* (+123) 10Created page with "Hi! I'm Esolime, and I make grid-based esolangs out of toys and games. I even make esophyses (esoteric physics simulators)."
< 1556505596 423819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer learndbs to contain useful information rather than jokes, but people enjoy writing joke entries more even when they aren't funny (or even comprehensible to people who don't know the context)
< 1556505694 838920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only like oerjan's wisdom jokes.
< 1556505698 161760 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the absurdity of the database kinda funny
< 1556505781 14400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to do quality control on the quotes by periodically picking 5 at random and deleting the worst (unless they were all good)
< 1556505791 26647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we aren't adding quotes nearly as quickly nowadays so that's less necessary
< 1556505798 156601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced we've /ever/ done quality control on the wisdom though
< 1556505804 602335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do it
< 1556505805 582162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1556505808 553693 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:toilet//toilet is elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end. \ up//Up is a direction away from the center of gravity of a celestial object. \ imperative language//Imperative languages tell you what to do. \ inverness//Inverness is a city in Scotland. The ring road isn't multiplicative. \ itymology//Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement.
< 1556505825 538110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first one is p. sketchy
< 1556505828 370311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I delete all five? :-D
< 1556505844 885267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"itymology" is such a good word, though!
< 1556505892 710662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to delete any of them
> 1556508141 901564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61411&oldid=61284 5* 03Esolime 5* (+42) 10/* Physics */
< 1556508509 534895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to delete any, but, maybe someone else might I don't know
< 1556508799 98418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hezzo38
< 1556508807 669555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any good opinions on graphical user interfaces?
< 1556508864 620873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think many programs should not need GUI (although in some kind of programs it can be helpful)
< 1556509202 437338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1556509312 709413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working with a command-line interface or batch interface can often be faster and more useful
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< 1556513764 688926 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1556514746 71188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
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< 1556522804 818140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a program that articles in my NNTP server can also be accessed by gopher if you know the article number, for example: gopher://zzo38computer.org/0article/2
< 1556522904 687458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This server uses the same article numbers for all newsgroups; the NNTP specification seems to assume that this isn't the case but seems to allow it to be the case anyways.)
< 1556523186 840059 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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> 1556532097 834531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61412&oldid=61376 5* 03A 5* (+430) 10/* Some thoughts */
> 1556532489 842098 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61413&oldid=61412 5* 03A 5* (+98) 10Possibly no one knew anything about Lua operators except for me.
> 1556532683 268713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Total Vacuum14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61414&oldid=61386 5* 03Total Vacuum 5* (+3) 10
> 1556532799 291271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61415&oldid=61413 5* 03A 5* (+131) 10/* Another idea */
< 1556532931 235836 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556532942 232648 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190428.html
< 1556532943 901983 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190428.html: b_jonas
< 1556533528 732313 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushroom
< 1556533529 900964 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungos
< 1556533531 283443 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556533532 288664 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungus
< 1556533532 472794 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungos? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556533534 570432 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556533582 206202 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungu
< 1556533584 896255 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungu? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556533624 637822 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdrmfxfijq0ns3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1556533630 73135 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` set -e; cd wisdom; mv -vi fungus mushroom; sed -i "s/^/A mushroom is /" mushroom; cat mushroom; echo ok
< 1556533633 866121 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'fungus' -> 'mushroom' \ mushroom//A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain. \ A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain. \ ok
< 1556533647 797622 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungus
< 1556533650 14126 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungus? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556533650 753924 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushroom
< 1556533652 385574 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556533701 53808 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re dosbox ok, but I think some people do use dosbox to run some dos games still
< 1556533709 452153 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps then they don't manipulate randomness by setting hte time
> 1556534082 835568 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61416&oldid=61415 5* 03A 5* (+14) 10Did anyone fix the capitalized heading?
< 1556535030 967387 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'm not convinced we've /ever/ done quality control on the wisdom though" => I've done it on my own wisdom entries, deleting a lot of bad ones.
< 1556535084 529707 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also deleted a few by other people
< 1556535105 26148 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wished some of mine were deleted
< 1556535134 348365 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can delete them yourself
< 1556535146 237585 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or be more specific
< 1556535160 692404 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of yourventions should we remove from the list and delete the wisdom entry?
< 1556535189 763847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have fungotventions?
< 1556535190 316907 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://neon.polkaroo.net/mhoye/ blarg/ archives/ 001207.html."
< 1556535197 469027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1556535197 520123 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
< 1556535210 44528 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of the wisdoms I added are tanebventions (in fact, I think I only added two)
< 1556535224 269389 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we have fungot quotes
< 1556535224 654146 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: what about getting a blank t-shirt, taking a list of lists brings the first level of this discussion, i merely offered one sentence. i wonder if a srfi on c.l.scheme!
< 1556535426 345865 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556535496 254924 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1556535499 104661 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1556535766 617075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they call them "The Air and the Song"?
> 1556535913 80710 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61417&oldid=57415 5* 03A 5* (+2024) 10Another proof(to be verified)
> 1556535963 674541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61418&oldid=61417 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* A possible proof */
> 1556536001 137269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61419&oldid=61418 5* 03A 5* (+3) 10grm
< 1556537156 636942 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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> 1556540370 11444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61420&oldid=61419 5* 03A 5* (+85) 10/* A possible proof */
< 1556540833 774825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556540954 410416 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohi
> 1556541025 950286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Disan Count14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61421&oldid=56725 5* 03A 5* (-111) 10Undo revision 56725 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]])
< 1556541598 613348 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1556541785 863291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1556543482 14873 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1556543519 592917 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget ha
< 1556543520 554761 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget if
< 1556543524 397496 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1556543529 459159 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1556543547 945167 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_jonas how goes it
< 1556543554 946409 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on a train
< 1556543594 55738 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais just mentioned cleaning up the wisdome, so I deleted two more of my old wisdom entries
< 1556543600 562550 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would slightly disagre with that definition of mushrooms
< 1556543609 93578 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushrooms
< 1556543611 942644 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556543612 182392 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.54.203 QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1556543620 131449 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't me, I just moved it!
< 1556543622 312301 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because many fungi grow above ground, and most like moisture
< 1556543628 867157 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's ok, i'm not blaming you
< 1556543645 770202 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say the defining feature of a 'mushroom' in common parlance is a macroscopic fruiting body
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> 1556544201 829381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61422&oldid=61408 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-2) 10/* Random value */
< 1556544264 397665 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also lichens with macroscopic (though small) mushroom like fruiting bodies
< 1556544279 823565 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that comes from the fungus part of the lichen, so I figure it should count as a mushroom
< 1556544290 938328 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some slime molds do it too but those aren't fungi technically
< 1556544348 577138 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are "protists" which just means "weird eukaryotes that we can't classify as animal, plant, or fungus"
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> 1556544631 276045 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61423&oldid=61422 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+357) 10/* Temporary memory */
> 1556544894 72542 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61424&oldid=61423 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+204) 10/* Operating content of file */
> 1556545021 751403 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61425&oldid=61416 5* 03A 5* (-33) 10/* Another idea */
> 1556546323 969456 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61426&oldid=61425 5* 03A 5* (+509) 10(Last?) Edit of an improved algorithm
> 1556546394 178498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61427&oldid=61424 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+580) 10/* Conditional looping */
> 1556546449 205777 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61428&oldid=61426 5* 03A 5* (+149) 10/* Another idea */
> 1556546774 92821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61429&oldid=61427 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+314) 10/* Arithmetic operation */
> 1556546895 326118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61430&oldid=61397 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+2477) 10/* Specifications */
> 1556546928 209897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61431&oldid=61430 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-478) 10
> 1556547019 16826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61432&oldid=61428 5* 03A 5* (+72) 10/* Another idea */
> 1556547020 390862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61433&oldid=60881 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+134) 10/* Announcement:I'm fixing the article. */
> 1556547163 478678 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61434&oldid=61431 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+39) 10/* History */
> 1556547369 825414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61435&oldid=61432 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* A: Home Row to bitch */
> 1556548196 561591 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61436&oldid=60966 5* 03A 5* (+309) 10/* Batch */
> 1556549054 27798 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bfstack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61437&oldid=61399 5* 03A 5* (+190) 10Add a proof because I am very nosy...
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> 1556549548 268724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61438&oldid=61435 5* 03A 5* (+252) 10/* Some thoughts */
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< 1556554000 948665 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis monad
< 1556554002 724856 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis monad
< 1556554004 140181 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatis: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1556554009 7636 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`monad
< 1556554010 322849 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: monad: not found
< 1556554016 348870 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad
< 1556554018 692829 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
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> 1556556360 164461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61439&oldid=61434 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+666) 10
> 1556556398 660563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61440&oldid=61439 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1) 10/* Instructions */
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< 1556557823 541451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-38.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1162
< 1556557824 511453 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1162: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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< 1556574454 331525 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Seems you were correct... things are finally on track for going horribly right. Probably not in the way you expected though :)
< 1556574454 547667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1556574705 47060 :__erl__!18ef792e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.239.121.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1556574752 76326 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome erl
< 1556574753 464664 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rl: elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: . (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n Fnet r ALnet.)
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< 1556581457 531774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that defining a macro starting with the letter E followed by an uppercase letter is undefined behavior in C?
< 1556581535 175666 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1556581542 667788 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because of errno?
< 1556581554 356732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1556581576 865448 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1556581584 948586 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much undefined behavior
< 1556581861 373199 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I bet it's only undefined behavior if you include the right headers.
< 1556581888 443799 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which admittedly is going to be a lot of headers.
< 1556581904 258855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the case even if you don't.
< 1556582328 449858 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no evidence of that.
< 1556582366 669631 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it saying errno.h may define additional macro definitions beginning with E[0-9A-Z].
< 1556582386 628148 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that appears to only be reserved if you include errno.h (indirectly or otherwise).
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< 1556582398 517000 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since they are explicitly macros, you are safe if you use #undef first.
< 1556582438 581218 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#undef and replacing a macro is UB iff the macro starts with _[A-Z_])
< 1556582551 839835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible.
< 1556582582 55566 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm referring to the last draft of C11, FWIW.
< 1556582608 404691 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is officially distinct from the actual spec, but in practice is the same damned thing)
< 1556582631 999126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be one of the things they changed.
< 1556582637 775556 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1556582643 457013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should pay ISO a bunch of money to make sure.
< 1556582644 686769 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it could be that POSIX is different.
< 1556582660 698131 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX does like adding extra UB.
< 1556582668 767483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to go back to K&R C.
< 1556582707 160484 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where there's a definition I guess, but every single aspect of it is something some implementation felt free to change? :)
< 1556582733 687507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also implementations were reasonable rather than malicious.
< 1556582749 918427 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they were differently malicious.
< 1556582771 23256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly incompetent, but not malicious.
< 1556582782 339765 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I suppose that's fair.
< 1556583448 764243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a comp.std.c post where someone involved in the standardization process (I forget their actual job title, and it's not very easily searchable) lists the changes between N1570 and the final text.
< 1556583459 849265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.std.c/v5hsWOu5vSw/zHU1sw7_2mIJ
< 1556583494 132294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few errors where it's implied _Alignof can take an expression (rather than just a parenthesized type name), but I doubt that's a big deal.
< 1556583520 569999 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, only likely to be all that relevant if you're being especially rules-lawyerly
< 1556583533 895347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since C18 was finalized, it's time to start citing that now.
< 1556583716 816257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure it has as convenient a draft though.
< 1556583742 430202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iso-9899.info/wiki/The_Standard says the latest availale is c17_updated_proposed_fdis.pdf (N2176), which claims to be the "version of the document -- intended to be the version that is to go into ballot for C17".
< 1556583805 806004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typesetting isn't bad, but the PDF TOC only goes three levels deep.
< 1556583832 493649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Formatting kind of reminds me of the c
< 1556583838 168277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...C++ standard drafts.
< 1556583921 583351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can buy INCITS/ISO/IEC 9899:2012 for just $60, compared to the CHF 198 ISO wants.
< 1556583932 903956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was $30 earlier, but, you know, trying times.
< 1556584048 158988 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-32-159.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's $60 more than I'm happy with, but that's not _that_ crazy.
< 1556586069 788963 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? html
< 1556586071 417513 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is short for "hope this mess loads".
< 1556587941 249001 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn html5 is something that should definitely not be parsed with regex
< 1556587943 495515 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'html5': html5 is something that should definitely not be parsed with regex
< 1556587986 579396 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn John Skeet is the king of Stack Overflow
< 1556587988 776405 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'john': John Skeet is the king of Stack Overflow
< 1556588049 695083 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget john
< 1556588052 808711 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1556588059 158188 :gerzytet!~gerzytet@71.214.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn John_Skeet is the king of Stack Overflow
< 1556588061 374439 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'john_skeet': John_Skeet is the king of Stack Overflow
< 1556588175 631131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1556588176 808565 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
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> 1556593625 817447 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bur14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61441&oldid=61362 5* 03Zane 5* (+547) 10
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> 1556610768 703144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61442&oldid=61429 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-15613) 10Replaced content with "'''Devilic10''' is an assembly language for esoteric machine "'''Devilic10 Machine'''" designed by [[User: YamTokTpaFa]]. This language features binary-coded 9-ary value,..."
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> 1556611379 374027 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61443 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+489) 10Created page with "{{Distinguish/Confusion|Braincrash}} '''BrainCrash''' is a [[:Category:Brainfuck derivatives|Brainfuck derivative language]] designed by , published in 2008. The purpos..."
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> 1556612620 767695 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9F+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61444 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+280) 10Created page with "{{Stub}} '''HQ9F+''' is a derivative language of [[HQ9+]] but with [[FizzBuzz]] feature, designed by , published in 2007. == Links == *[https://web.archive.org/web/200..."
> 1556613008 331079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9F+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61445&oldid=61444 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+366) 10
> 1556613182 224740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9F+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61446&oldid=61445 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+177) 10
> 1556613372 878215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9F+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61447&oldid=61446 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+13) 10
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> 1556613563 295841 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61448&oldid=61440 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+31) 10/* Instructions */
< 1556614009 19789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started playing Baba Is You last night
< 1556614015 212740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is enjoyable
< 1556614613 672580 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good!
< 1556618421 494692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you manage to enjoy it?
< 1556618442 916323 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in its entirety yet
< 1556618462 51853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, only the parts you played.
< 1556618812 207183 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goood game
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> 1556620529 504768 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07JCLN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61449 5* 03A 5* (+442) 10Created page with "[[JCLN]] (Jump Conditionally to a LiNe) is an [[OISC]] instruction. ==Syntax== ===To unconditionally jump to a line:=== jcln *, line #For example, to jump to line 5, you..."
< 1556620718 725259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun and challenging
< 1556620726 782441 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to take a long time to complete it, I feel
> 1556620794 812617 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61450&oldid=61271 5* 03A 5* (+167) 10/* List of OISCs */
< 1556621124 149878 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a good puzzle game should
< 1556621135 69810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhmm
< 1556621160 132151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked at a couple of levels and given up and moved on
< 1556621171 765834 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But luckily it lets you play non-linearly enough to accomplish that
< 1556621311 135316 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still recommend having a look at snakebird
> 1556621449 595242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61451&oldid=61443 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1394) 10
> 1556621468 925029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61452&oldid=61438 5* 03A 5* (+433) 10incomplete
> 1556621475 368477 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61453&oldid=61451 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-1883) 10Blanked the page
> 1556621527 183877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainCrash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61454 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1940) 10Created page with "{{Distinguish/Confusion|Braincrash}} '''BrainCrash''' is a [[:Category:Brainfuck derivatives|Brainfuck derivative language]] designed by , published in 2008. The purpos..."
> 1556621587 117336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck extensions14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61455&oldid=60983 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+16) 10
> 1556621637 84420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck.NET14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61456&oldid=56294 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+38) 10/* Language overview */
> 1556621640 164465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61457&oldid=61452 5* 03A 5* (+111) 10incomplete
< 1556621646 109456 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakebird is great
< 1556621691 281525 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the concept?
< 1556621900 216440 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have figures that behave like in a snake game with gravity and you have to move those to a goal
< 1556621969 952676 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are actually birds though
< 1556621980 969418 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just long birds
< 1556622005 269849 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakebirds, kinda
< 1556622007 455616 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I'll have to check it out when I'm finished with BIY
< 1556622050 282755 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a mobile version of it
> 1556622288 290294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61458&oldid=61457 5* 03A 5* (+145) 10Phew! Fill up the rest of the specification.
> 1556622788 820813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Braincrash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61459&oldid=38051 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+37) 10
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> 1556622840 388204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9F+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61461&oldid=61447 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+18) 10
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< 1556623428 92320 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pikhq, shachaf: as for the C standard, what I'd like to know is whether I'm allowed to write offsetof(struct { char b; T v; }, v) in an expression instead of alignof(T), where T is some object type.
< 1556623467 246046 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the drafts, but since offsetof is just a macro rather than a builtin, it doesn't have dozens of paragraphs of strict definitions, just some very brief description. at one point gcc and clang interpreted this differently, one allowed it and the other banned it.
< 1556623903 921690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, structs...
< 1556624252 776101 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? structs
< 1556624255 707984 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :structs? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556624412 453247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: at the very least 6.7.2.1.15 (in the? C18 draft) seems vague enough that the compiler is free to align the T v field more coarsely than strictly required.
< 1556624439 146177 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh sure, but that's not really my question
< 1556624460 444509 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is whether you're allowed to define a struct right inside the offsetof
< 1556624501 18878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1556624575 525090 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's allowed then you can use that to write alignof as a macro
< 1556624584 592733 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a macro not using the builtin _Alignof that is
< 1556624599 652562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an integer constant expression" yeah that doesn't really help. But I not that there's no explicit restriction on the 'type' argument and struct{...} is a valid type in other contexts...
< 1556624602 351410 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter much anymore, because today's compilers all support the builtin alignof
< 1556624615 646057 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cam up more back when some compilers didn't yet have it
< 1556624632 12974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd argue that your use case should be valid. But I can easily see it go wrong in practice :)
< 1556624644 461233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I not -> I note
< 1556624707 363408 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... well, actually it's tricker than that
< 1556624789 875822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've probably done more digging into the standard than I have in the past 10 minutes :)
< 1556624811 493488 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every compiler has either alignof, or the gcc extension __alignof__, or the MS extension __alignof, or the C++ template std::alignment_of, or the boost version of that latter
< 1556624832 448628 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean it's trickier than "toyda's compilers all support the builtin alignof"
< 1556624963 711199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing I did was to confirm that the compiler is free to align the T v field in whatever way it pleases as long as the minimum alignment is satisfied (the latter follows indirectly because you can take the address of that field and continue to access it through the resulting pointer without limitations)
< 1556625153 937878 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know, technically the standard allows extra padding between and after struct elements. but as far as I know, in reality in only happens in old architectures and only at the very end of structs whose contents are too small.
< 1556625198 673504 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, these days compilers try to compile code with ABI compatible with that of other compilers, so they won't randomly add padding
< 1556625532 831412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I'd read the bit where it says "the type and member designator shall be such that given `static /type/ t;` then the expression `&(t./member-designator/)` evaluates to an address constant" at least implying that it should be fine to put the struct definition there.
< 1556625549 737465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you could put it in the `static struct { ... } t;` as well.
< 1556625557 290455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's true it's a pretty brief description.
< 1556625647 893842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: but if you only care about what happens in reality then you never need to consult the standard at all ;-)
< 1556625706 949278 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, they say that to exclude types like `int [2]`, which doesn't matter in the usual definition of offsetof, but this way it's uniform with va_arg.
< 1556625737 543753 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, that's why I tried gcc and clang, and one of them accepted it, the other didn't
< 1556625846 124093 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: are you willing to divulge which one accepted it?
< 1556626164 998859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall on GCC offsetof(a,b) is just __builtin_offsetof(a,b). But of course that doesn't necessarily mean it would accept a struct definition in there.
< 1556626739 292563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay apparently gcc accepts it.
< 1556626945 289302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so does clang :P
< 1556626976 837507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang version 7.0.1-8, gcc (Debian 8.3.0-7) 8.3.0
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< 1556627120 345019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%zu\n", offsetof(struct{char a; int b;}, b)); <-- this is what I tried now.
< 1556627397 638578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wrong format specifier; offsets are signed.
< 1556627919 210353 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, but that doesn't really help you tell what it accepts
< 1556628054 940852 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the traditional definition was something like #define offsetof(t,f) (long)((t*)0->f)
< 1556628074 841394 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why it was originally a macro rather than a keyword
< 1556628077 240771 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on old compilers
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< 1556628920 562498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: No, the format specifier was fine.
< 1556628954 834034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1556628962 134248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- `offsetof(/type/, /member-designator/)` which expands to an integer constant expression that has type `size_t`, --"
< 1556628969 112126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C18 7.19p3)
< 1556628971 36433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I didn't think that through :)
< 1556628993 671717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it can't be negative even though I think of it as a difference of pointers...)
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< 1556639934 326460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's also an implementation like `#define offsetof(s,m) ((size_t)((char *)((s *)0)->m - (char *)0))` where it really is a difference of pointers.
< 1556639949 462777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think that's any better, or worse, than the other: it avoids the implementation-defined pointer-to-integer conversion, but still relies on making up the hypothetical `((*s)0)->m`.)
< 1556639966 964725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\*s/s*/
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< 1556640893 157373 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if a language only had downward funargs (functions don't extend the lifetime of their scope, can't use them when their scope dies), but simulated upward funargs by converting functions to CPS at runtime if they return anything that contains functions that are about to go out of scope?
< 1556640946 577963 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if F calls G, and G returns a function, then instead of popping G, F's continuation would be pushed. When that gets popped, G and F would be popped as well, returning whatever F's continuation popped.
< 1556640956 306316 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/continuation popped/continuation returned/
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> 1556649164 29724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61462&oldid=61278 5* 03Helen 5* (+3327) 10Java implementation of [[Volatile]]
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< 1556660742 542755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushroom
< 1556660743 674198 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556660749 307508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not mush room for factual entries in this database
< 1556660843 874654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1556660851 859942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg mushroom
< 1556660853 714556 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11801:2019-04-29 `` set -e; cd wisdom; mv -vi fungus mushroom; sed -i "s/^/A mushroom is /" mushroom; cat mushroom; echo ok
< 1556660866 730885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg fungus
< 1556660868 419215 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11801:2019-04-29 `` set -e; cd wisdom; mv -vi fungus mushroom; sed -i "s/^/A mushroom is /" mushroom; cat mushroom; echo ok \ 11797:2019-04-29 ` mv wisdom/fungu wisdom/fungus # you may opt to `forget it if you wish
< 1556660877 826604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg fungu
< 1556660879 534602 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11797:2019-04-29 ` mv wisdom/fungu wisdom/fungus # you may opt to `forget it if you wish \ 11796:2019-04-29 learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556661049 473326 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was surprised about an entry that attempted to be factual
< 1556661289 453905 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it came about because I listed the few tanebventions that don't have an entry – there are about three or four – and then gerzytet created one, and then I renamed it to place
< 1556661310 576914 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ais came in and mentioned that he wants more factual wisdom entries and less stupid jokes
< 1556661313 393647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1556661314 557850 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1556661328 231915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: food
< 1556661329 543147 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culinary tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, weetoflakes, mushrooms, nutella, and cognac.
< 1556661369 351428 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ruin
< 1556661371 301203 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruin? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556661382 490758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the universe
< 1556661383 653852 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. Escardó proved that it was indiscreet.
< 1556661383 841756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? universe
< 1556661385 17793 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A universe is a poem in one stanza.
< 1556661438 559450 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? linear logic
< 1556661439 698061 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556661442 394870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math
< 1556661443 522381 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, linear logic, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
< 1556661464 47424 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was three
< 1556661472 256628 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic, ruin, and linear logic
< 1556661607 41804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Are you even allowed to use "linear logic" twice in a sentence? )
< 1556661706 36576 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1556661710 188321 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom, linear logic, and ruin
< 1556661725 606547 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-170.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes you are
< 1556662926 794980 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900:8319:87ab:f00:d5de PART :#esoteric
> 1556663942 524294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mipinggfxgbtftybfhfyhfn 5* 10New user account
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< 1556666440 51691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 1d 1h 33m 5s ago: Seems you were correct... things are finally on track for going horribly right. Probably not in the way you expected though :)
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< 1556666772 59237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm worried about the bears, they might try to prevent anyone neutralizing him. (like the time creature trying to reverse the change...) krosp might go either way.
< 1556666910 272783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, definitely horrible. it reminds to see if anything goes right.
< 1556666919 761271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*remains
< 1556667003 680353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungus
< 1556667007 185486 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungus? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1556667016 923613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg fungus
< 1556667018 533902 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11801:2019-04-29 `` set -e; cd wisdom; mv -vi fungus mushroom; sed -i "s/^/A mushroom is /" mushroom; cat mushroom; echo ok \ 11797:2019-04-29 ` mv wisdom/fungu wisdom/fungus # you may opt to `forget it if you wish
< 1556667031 586038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mushroom
< 1556667032 871302 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
< 1556667369 185040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? toilet
< 1556667371 167458 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :toilet is elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
< 1556667832 803319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/ha
< 1556667833 913408 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access 'wisdom/ha': No such file or directory
< 1556667851 466332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg wisdom/ha
< 1556667853 179897 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1556667862 745950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious
< 1556667890 823166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg ha
< 1556667892 641720 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :11802:2019-04-29 forget ha \ 7443:2016-04-17 learn Ha van sz\xc3\xadved, hogy mindazt, mit el\xc3\xa9rt\xc3\xa9l, / Ha kell, egyetlen kock\xc3\xa1ra rakd, / s t\xc3\xbaltegyed magad, ha vesztes\xc3\xa9g \xc3\xa9r, / s ne legyen r\xc3\xb3la t\xc3\xb6bb\xc3\xa9 egy szavad
< 1556667936 29753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 dowg ha
< 1556667938 65573 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1:
< 1556667953 237207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that doesn't explain the permission thing.
< 1556668118 176161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget toilet
< 1556668119 883412 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1556668148 984667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one seemed to actually complete the quality control
< 1556668219 22017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a little suspicious when `5 w gives the last one added...
< 1556668230 578676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/5
< 1556668231 334070 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd="${1-quote}"; \`^ 5 "$cmd"
< 1556668248 425347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/^
< 1556668249 122071 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: 'bin/^': No such file or directory
< 1556668257 781718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`^
< 1556668258 553637 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ $# == 2 ]] || { echo "Usage: $0 n cmd" >&2; exit 2; }; for ((i=0; i < $1; i++)); do \` "$2"; done | sport
< 1556668277 452182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/w
< 1556668278 184174 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom "$@"
< 1556668288 398957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom
< 1556668289 325495 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf --random-source=/dev/urandom -z -n1); if [ -n "$f" ]; then echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; else echo "That's not wise."; fi | rnooodl
< 1556668309 235085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think urandom would be enough.
< 1556668323 923173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it was just meant to be deleted.
< 1556668608 772636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before wisdom/if
< 1556668611 232751 :HackEso!~HackEso@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/if//If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss: