< 1558396947 46699 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:b8e3:40de:8720:48ec QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1558396991 931425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1558398003 795493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071=014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62456&oldid=62399 5* 03Mipinggfxgbtftybfhfyhfn 5* (+136) 10 > 1558398023 127938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071=014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62457&oldid=62456 5* 03Mipinggfxgbtftybfhfyhfn 5* (+1) 10 > 1558398251 689587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071=014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62458&oldid=62457 5* 03Mipinggfxgbtftybfhfyhfn 5* (+8) 10/* Calculator */ > 1558398361 732333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62459&oldid=62371 5* 03Mipinggfxgbtftybfhfyhfn 5* (+10) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1558398737 56947 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1558399017 74489 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1558399817 287614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03A stone arachnid 5* 10New user account > 1558400071 566298 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62460&oldid=62288 5* 03A stone arachnid 5* (+229) 10 < 1558401548 63877 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-145.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1558401873 448146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62461&oldid=45263 5* 03A stone arachnid 5* (+2) 10/* See Also */ Added bullets < 1558403931 792931 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1558405021 966834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1558405245 598151 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1558405511 595684 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1558405528 931973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1558405529 192772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 4d 4h 47m 23s ago: We're hoping for your song to win. < 1558405547 220741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been following eurovision at all, just barely noticed it was over < 1558405568 866380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still busy archive binging schlock mercenary < 1558405725 666532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : excessive information <-- definitely scow < 1558406298 19494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't been here for a week, and is probably going to ignore what's happened on the wiki unless there's something really interesting < 1558406306 316845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i ignore a lot anyway > 1558407312 542420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62462&oldid=62428 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+135) 10move bounded bf interpreter to popular problems section < 1558407459 551544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` allquotes | tail -2 < 1558407460 504845 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1332) ugh, now my Fugue hello world has got stuck in my head again \ 1333) #define __NR_oldolduname 59 fungot: what's your old old name? olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness). > 1558407941 251749 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62463&oldid=62462 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+67) 10/* Possible with adjustments */ being picky, but [.+*#] != Mandelbrot Set > 1558408063 213442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mandelbrot set14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62464&oldid=62417 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+8) 10emphasise the value of the popular problem > 1558409500 485217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62465&oldid=62463 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+667) 10/* Computational class */ summary as I see it. Don't know if this "simulating-arbitrary-sized BSMs" is a distinct class, but it seems interesting. > 1558409669 569814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62466&oldid=62465 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-1691) 10being bold and removing inaccurate and unhelpful sections which enumerate 'impossible' solutions that have concrete implementations on the very same page < 1558411719 58419 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1558411989 43137 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1558412090 80961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62467&oldid=62466 5* 03A 5* (+243) 102 nested loops are sufficient for Turing-completeness. > 1558412110 578736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62468&oldid=62467 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Bounded-storage machine: brainfuck interpreter */ < 1558412194 579770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Excessive information? < 1558412437 183967 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-145.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1558413096 963184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere they mention you cannot use CAPTCHA with NNTP. Actually, if a SASL mechanism for CAPTCHA is implemented, then it is possible to use with NNTP and with any other protocol that supports SASL. The challenge consists of arbitrary ASCII text that explains what kind of response is needed. The response also must be ASCII text, and does not require the use of a web-browser or other protocols. < 1558413168 726505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is OK if it asks a question to which a web-browser can be used to find the answer e.g. from Wikipedia, in case for example you do not know what year some famous person was born or whatever.) < 1558414019 494724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: about scow < 1558414073 882912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember the context > 1558416403 774419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62469&oldid=62468 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-241) 10/* Bounded-storage machine: brainfuck interpreter */ undo: 63 loop limit refers to this specific bf implementation. This is a link description not a TC for/against < 1558418118 300481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote the document: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/sasl-captcha Now you can use CAPTCHA with any protocol that supports SASL, and not be so terrible like reCAPTCHA. < 1558418199 70210 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1558418475 60853 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1558420930 311642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me the only program they need on Windows is a video editing software, and prefers Linux for everything else (although better video editing software is available on Macintosh, but the video editing software on Linux is no good). Do you have an advice? < 1558423591 932566 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1558424540 290453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1558424827 195521 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:2443:f486:bf0f:d64d:2c4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1558425573 930320 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1558427014 855817 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's been working on some pretty neat-looking video editing software in Haskell, which I'd hope works on Linux, I think it's called Kompositor? < 1558427421 14807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Run the program inside WINE, or inside a virtual machine? < 1558427429 368138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or run Linux on top of Windows with WSL2. < 1558427454 46264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Haneb < 1558427499 791349 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :video editing inside wine sounds like fun for every cpu < 1558427525 438045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1558429272 497063 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1558429329 316560 :nfd!~nfd9001@2601:602:8500:2443:81c6:2034:93b4:15e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1558429544 457815 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1558430902 372964 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3 < 1558430921 220609 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1558433011 104121 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1558433151 99127 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1558435233 36254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62470&oldid=62453 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+61) 10 > 1558435258 48075 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62471&oldid=62470 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-1) 10 > 1558435266 921525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62472&oldid=62471 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+1) 10/* Hello World */ < 1558436787 883357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: C++ is so lovely: https://github.com/int-e/bitch/blob/master/cc/shifty.cc#L108-L123 < 1558436817 59466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though maybe the underlying truth is that I have no shame.) > 1558436827 327038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62473&oldid=62472 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+59) 10 > 1558436875 650847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62474&oldid=62473 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-1) 10/* Counting up */ > 1558436915 734983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62475&oldid=62474 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+67) 10/* Countdown */ > 1558436969 364743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62476&oldid=62475 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+54) 10/* Counting up */ > 1558437119 88564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62477&oldid=62469 5* 03A 5* (+6) 10An accumulator is not a memory system. > 1558437200 536307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62478&oldid=62477 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10Because an accumulator is a data structure. Remove the ugly underline in the link. < 1558437559 505755 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1558439003 226260 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:31fa:94fd:7ecb:3786 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1558439804 805635 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:b137:5aa2:217e:d011 JOIN :#esoteric < 1558440651 954461 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1558440860 975540 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1558441157 695169 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1558442139 485245 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1558442691 549233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62479&oldid=62478 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10BFI requires character I/O. > 1558442968 472863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NullScript 214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=62480 5* 03A stone arachnid 5* (+2544) 10Created page with "'''NullScript 2''' is a esolang written by [[User:a stone arachnid|]] inspired by [[Deadfish~]] and [[bf]]. It stores data in a 256-cell prison, and has an 8-item FIFO paramet..." > 1558445091 745407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62481&oldid=62455 5* 03Int-e 5* (+197) 10/* Sketch: A RAM Machine */ mention another implementation > 1558445122 253683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62482&oldid=62481 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10/* Sketch: A RAM Machine */ layout < 1558445149 884966 :unlimiter!~unlimiter@41.141.9.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1558445430 549906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NullScript 214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62483&oldid=62480 5* 03A 5* (+75) 10Nice. > 1558445758 587265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62484&oldid=62479 5* 03Int-e 5* (+99) 10/* Computational class */ mention PDAs > 1558446697 675228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62485&oldid=62484 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1903) 10/* Common Algorithms */ Sketch bounded storage (adapted from talk page) < 1558446806 854556 :unlimiter!~unlimiter@41.141.9.130 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.4 < 1558447035 264664 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1558447035 905186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62486&oldid=62485 5* 03Int-e 5* (+46) 10/* Bounded storage */ tweak < 1558447128 698254 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1558447146 100072 :Hooloo42!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558447183 453497 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1558447210 548583 :xvnvx-!~xvnvx@198.13.53.40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1558447252 574756 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bmantiliotcoccyd JOIN :#esoteric < 1558447279 956830 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-16-244-90.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1558447569 289839 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-139-60-58.range86-139.btcentralplus.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447569 394144 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-16-244-90.hlrn.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447569 762076 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447569 797626 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447569 836868 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447570 69180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447570 173724 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447570 215016 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-iamxaxjbqhhvjqtz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447572 822369 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 NICK :diginet < 1558447573 987697 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bmantiliotcoccyd NICK :heroux < 1558447590 154298 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447590 627295 :xvnvx!~xvnvx@unaffiliated/xvnvx QUIT :*.net *.split < 1558447603 404918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric > 1558447722 186824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62487&oldid=62486 5* 03A 5* (+12) 10That extra section is too distinctive. < 1558447937 119250 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1558448012 803139 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1558448016 788000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62488&oldid=62487 5* 03Int-e 5* (+377) 10/* Subtraction */ present one unrolled operation < 1558448120 280172 :Hooloo42!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558448374 20205 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558448374 145632 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood > 1558448536 733670 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62489&oldid=62488 5* 03Int-e 5* (+34) 10/* Implementation */ C++ > 1558448593 255995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62490&oldid=62489 5* 03A 5* (+40) 10/* Computational class */ < 1558448847 537357 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv < 1558448974 25779 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558448974 151927 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558449190 343388 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brian Kernighan interviews Ken Thompson < 1558449359 639101 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558449359 965629 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558449827 618277 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558449827 749078 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558450184 617409 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558450184 755904 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558450769 851216 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558450769 928895 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558451137 92050 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 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:Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558452973 200332 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558453325 997317 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558453326 72964 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558453623 23922 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558453623 117576 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558453920 23892 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558453920 122124 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood > 1558454055 202492 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=62491&oldid=62476 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+0) 10 < 1558454132 105159 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558454132 180890 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558454308 14627 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558454308 110007 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood 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:Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558457271 501764 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfnlgwh4k4ewtw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1558457303 832442 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1558457303 908842 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558457349 837220 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1558457349 882654 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558457394 833973 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1558457394 877549 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558457482 518667 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1558457568 115979 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:392f:7e06:2f29:86cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1558458058 884721 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00995db2d70786efff.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1558459601 636008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: What's unreasonable about that? < 1558459604 56540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cast? < 1558459727 382682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :casts, yes. < 1558459758 453782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, and explicit destructor invocations. < 1558459779 474755 :LKoen_!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00fd8065e931c84073.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1558459796 679724 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems to work < 1558459822 836841 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even valgrind (memcheck) likes it < 1558459871 259423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try that google thing, what was it again... address sanitizer? < 1558459944 605839 :LKoen_!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00fd8065e931c84073.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1558460034 856370 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Address sanitizers doesn't like that the final delete gets a different type than the initial new. Not unexpected :) < 1558460061 430836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One good trick is to just use C and no destructors. < 1558460242 805026 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is asan a google thing? < 1558460252 471033 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :destructors are tg < 1558460256 368704 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :raii 4 lyfe < 1558460440 177137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't raii just make it easier to write c++y code full of random allocations and other nonsense and get it right < 1558460735 420480 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00b8fdd3e507b99842.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1558460881 735077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you have destructors they free your memory at program exit, which i hear is a squander < 1558460886 92632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems that there's some stupid magic by which the destructor communicates the object size to the global delete operator < 1558460913 792537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1558460919 359116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tddnh < 1558461006 835313 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, maybe not. < 1558461490 132599 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem that magic? because delete is templated < 1558461493 108723 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or effectively so < 1558461499 55375 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it knows the static type < 1558461509 975572 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, objects with virtual stuff have the size in the vtable typically < 1558461516 472121 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual destructors are important < 1558461552 50139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the goal here to avoid having a vtable. < 1558461566 167789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's the operator delete() that needs tweaking to do the (shifty) thing I attempted. < 1558461645 135543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/int-e/bitch/blob/master/cc/shifty.cc#L126-L141 < 1558461677 798803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should get on the #define Case break; case bandwagon < 1558461680 138405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tg < 1558461742 65665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is at least borderline insane though because operator delete has too many variants. < 1558461801 545088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so how does that work with automatic indentation? < 1558461810 768924 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax highlighting too < 1558461818 60369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine with my syntax highlighting. < 1558461828 42580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about automatic indentation. < 1558461888 686811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the story of operator delete and calling destructors, hmm. < 1558461998 246485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, in a delete expression, the destructor is called first, then the operator delete. < 1558462066 291594 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-145.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1558462110 864450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1558462159 526204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to delete anything in that code, though? < 1558462162 397754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because of mpz? < 1558462223 254814 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wanted an algebraic datatype. < 1558462266 718317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lit links to an mpz integer; bop links to a nested operation that needs to be cleaned up. < 1558462287 782904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, you're overloading main < 1558462300 687346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a namespace? < 1558462314 79696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might be allowed. < 1558462646 19466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh clang++ doesn't like this at all, it seems not to know about the sized version of ::operator delete... < 1558462682 757233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf that's a C++14 thing. < 1558462701 63917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an old version of clang? < 1558462708 588472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you need -std=c++14 or something. < 1558462727 90047 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1558462757 420077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes, it's old. < 1558463204 563149 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever, let's pay the price for a vtable instead. < 1558463252 18986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vtables are such a scow imo < 1558463271 44429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does c++ gotta do it like that < 1558463278 615312 :economicsbat!~eb@128.199.111.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1558463278 935837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered a union instead? < 1558463280 838055 :economicsbat_!~eb@128.199.111.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1558463295 609422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd just be easier since you're already effectively emulating one. < 1558463316 621313 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not quite < 1558463343 909951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference? < 1558463355 657321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a union you typically allocate as much memory as required by the largest alternative) < 1558463413 755470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess. < 1558463444 98676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this is a huge deal... the code resulted from a desire to explore, not an actual requirement. < 1558463474 579649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I wanted to save memory I'd do the parsing on the fly rather than building an AST. < 1558463505 27593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the thing you want to save is cache, not memory. < 1558463519 536570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, next time I go down this route I'll probably use the non-sized version of ::operator delete. < 1558463555 376997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, for better locality I should parse on the fly. bitch syntax is so simple. < 1558463603 334109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, you're mixing /8 and &7 < 1558463605 352811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. confusing < 1558463637 211189 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I'm not really sure why. < 1558463669 563441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know why I used /8, but I don't know why I didn't use %8. < 1558463678 513630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not v. confusing, it's pretty straightforward. < 1558463714 678509 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/8 is easier to relate to &7 than >>3 is) < 1558463747 180311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, because 7=8-1 < 1558463753 107780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas 8=1<<3 < 1558463755 955311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not confusing. < 1558463980 60499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so is this op thing just an AST? < 1558463985 635120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1558463993 578570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golly. < 1558463999 91888 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the "T" is very much an overstatement < 1558464008 693750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASA? < 1558464040 215308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't know what the "A" stands for there. < 1558464055 964290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Array? < 1558464073 914733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I was thinking geometrically so I'd say "line", probably. < 1558464077 712707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess mean I program, not op. < 1558464080 967259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost the link. < 1558464121 580879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :program is a bunch of ops, so it's an abstract syntax comb. < 1558464135 637593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you could allocate these things like cool people do, in an arena. < 1558464307 312470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess operating on the code directly like you said makes more sense. < 1558464317 31473 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe another time < 1558464366 427678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In principle I have some ideas for transforming the operations, but I won't explore that in C++. Also maybe I should stop spending time on bitch. :) ) < 1558464386 511218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what this language is. < 1558464390 35160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC-ness is still open, but that won't be solved by new interpreters :) < 1558464424 989449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever say what int-e means? < 1558464429 380950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it int $0xe? < 1558464434 657562 :Melvar!~melvar@dslc-082-082-054-010.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1558464437 496565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/bitch ;-) < 1558464448 805156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that link before. < 1558464451 201356 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think I ever did. < 1558464455 620049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I find the name unappealing so I don't click it. < 1558464462 233658 :Melvar!~melvar@dslc-082-082-054-010.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1558464470 186636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah the name is needlessly offensive. < 1558464492 611941 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of it as bit-changer or something in that vicinity. < 1558465661 717260 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00b8fdd3e507b99842.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1558466337 297554 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00788802477ebdb165.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1558466924 431932 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00788802477ebdb165.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1558467222 119349 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00e1bd23f3d932624d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1558469620 9663 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1558469844 480299 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1558470615 571783 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00e1bd23f3d932624d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1558471271 866072 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1558472000 847242 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1558472001 200664 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558472030 452291 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558472030 487577 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558472052 77544 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1558472052 123473 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558472083 8856 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558472083 124561 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558472116 292234 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1558472116 338053 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558472171 544823 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zfnlgwh4k4ewtw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1558472431 341176 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1558472431 474538 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Excess Flood < 1558472462 831180 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1558472674 169635 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about the join/part spam, not sure what znc did < 1558472740 469554 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0 has quit [Excess Flood] <-- some disagreement on the acceptable rate limits :) < 1558472766 317724 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what was flooding < 1558472803 612639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joining a million channels at once? I don't really have any good guess. < 1558472817 29315 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess that's why it was only freenode < 1558472908 252897 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's never done that consistently enough that it mattered < 1558473697 312620 :aloril__!~aloril@mobile-access-6df011-36.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1558473902 8085 :aloril_!~aloril@mobile-access-bceed2-155.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1558474570 911395 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-139-60-58.range86-139.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1558476136 47830 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1558476320 158556 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1558476323 732446 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1558476992 53570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: pg&e is telling me to be a prepper what do i do twh < 1558477007 568639 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prep < 1558477026 810204 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they say < 1558477036 559963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"suggest customers prepare for outages that could last longer than 48 hours" < 1558477052 156711 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1558477053 547395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't give an upper bound so i assume they mean infinity < 1558477063 904526 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be ready to live w/o power < 1558477465 769827 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1558477484 963506 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, #esoteric. I'm back home from my vacation. it was great. < 1558477523 826724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome b_jonas < 1558477525 544287 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1558477540 216928 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1558477652 424564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anything important happened here? < 1558477791 128417 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all! Had somebody considered making a card deck based on a nontrivial combinatorial design? Like, relations between cards be inferred from the mathematical structure behind the deck design. Like, not some A × B (suits and ranks) or maybe A × B + C (Tarot) but something more intricate < 1558477810 318928 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hello! It seems a lucky coincedence < 1558477840 939790 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :there’s an idea I have, but it’s not that bright < 1558477953 154662 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take a R-algebra for some finite ring R and… and there are either too many authomorphisms or too many elements (cards) or there’s too few elements < 1558477961 864768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks too uniform < 1558477985 244849 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: cards, http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-07-15.2307.html and http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-07-22.2308.html and I think there's one more article by David Madore somewhere < 1558478023 192266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: talks about the card game Dobble, also mentioning Set, but also new possibilities not realized by previously known card games < 1558478061 447186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1164 < 1558478062 249508 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1164: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1558478100 380857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an olist? was there another one while I was away? < 1558478331 341589 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, authomorphisms aren’t necessary that bad: in chess, one faces 8 indistinguishable pawns and lives, and here it’s even more interesting. Let’s say we are in Z_3^3 acted by S_3 on coordinates, then there is of course an orbit (120, 102, 012, 210, 201, 021), but there are also smaller orbits, which could make us some semantic distinctions on cards of these orbits, and also we can in some cases act by A_3 only, *and* also th < 1558478331 474570 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ere is anyway a distinction if we draw 130 then 301, or if we draw 130 then 310. Though I’m not sure as to how exactly one could harness all that, and also I’d like a bit more interesting design than this R-module or R-algebra one < 1558478360 236158 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: thanks, I’ll look at these! Hopefully they aren’t all in French :D < 1558478458 971589 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay they both are. Guess I’ll bother some frankophone friend nearby < 1558478628 396527 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2004-07-26.0703.html is about Set, in English because it's old, but that's not the extra article I've mentioned < 1558478696 962754 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm even without translation it definitely looks very to the point, thank you once more. Have you been somewhat interested in this topic too, or do you just really have most David’s posts memorized? :D < 1558478714 265781 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant the previous about two former posts < 1558478764 162209 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe Set was what in the end influenced this in me, who knows < 1558478780 179600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: also about dobble https://math.stackexchange.com/q/464932 and some other questions linked from there < 1558478811 700441 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't have all his posts memorized, especially not because his blog is quite old now, and I haven't read all the articles from before I started reading them < 1558478827 773566 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case I just had to search for "Dobble" in the title index < 1558478849 546973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have bookmarks for some of the more useful articles on http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/grn < 1558478881 998253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no new post in a month is unusual by the way, in two more weeks I'll start to worry < 1558478904 417569 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I’d like, in a particular design, for each card to be related in some way differently to all others than any other one. I don’t think I understand how this should be formalized, for example it shouldn’t be a group action, that’s too strict < 1558478961 80864 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mmhm < 1558479048 413407 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it’s definitely a lucky coincidence. I even hadn’t thought to ask here initially < 1558479075 210838 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it’s a perfect place, if one to think about that < 1558479110 328294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously you should look at all the traditional card sets that have cards in each combination of 8 or 13 or 14 ranks and 4 suits, plus perhaps a separate major arcana trump suit or jokers; there's also rare five-suit variants < 1558479130 962322 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number or ranks varies a lot, there are games played with just 6 ranks too < 1558479198 833797 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what symmetry this has depends on the game played of course < 1558479316 430886 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, two updates to bobadventures < 1558479322 654351 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually there’s an ambient symmetry of suits, unbroken or almost unbroken < 1558479347 880669 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I’d look for something wild < 1558479448 929046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say that, because bridge is a popular game and it's very much not symmetric among suits < 1558479449 710355 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the goals is to have a divination deck :D I don’t think I’d use it even in any story ideas, but it could be interesting to try to devise sufficiently logical semantics for each card based at what it does to others < 1558479479 363291 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are divination decks too, but you asked for ones with a nontrivial combinatorial design, and they don't have that < 1558479498 95036 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.3.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1558479583 871285 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-129.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190514.html is that... a minifig of a warforged? < 1558480114 174985 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-86-145.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1558482021 418929 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98439.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1558482213 543358 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98439.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds