< 1561507205 886891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're having a onesie Wednesday at work (it's like casual Friday except you can guess the difference), but I don't have one. < 1561507328 616675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many do you have < 1561507383 339362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have as many as none. < 1561507395 193513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's a one in none. < 1561507417 51076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zerosie zaturday < 1561507461 983265 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : are cats esoteric? => maybe. My cat regularly can’t remember there is food and I need to walk her to it for her to see and eat it. I can’t model what’s in her head, as she doesn’t seem to be absent-minded < 1561507539 299911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really have a cat < 1561507543 395033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come i've never seen it < 1561507584 245173 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she could decide to be offended by me and walk away and a minute later she returns and purrs < 1561507592 422412 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do, I swear :P < 1561507638 652551 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she’s sleeping now, a perfect reminder to me to go too < 1561507650 962004 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye bye < 1561507656 41608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go photograph her, you mean < 1561507668 323093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and post the photographs in this channel > 1561507668 371265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63703&oldid=63693 5* 03A 5* (-661) 10/* A simple concentrative language in 26 lines of C code */ It's wrong to swear and shout. < 1561507707 956577 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe tomorrow I’ll post that zipper-tree language on the wiki, with a photograph?.. or without? Nobody knows! < 1561507730 315550 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, today in the late afternoon < 1561507734 364770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time arseniiv < 1561507734 808175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for arseniiv is ср июн. 26 05:08:51 2019 < 1561507753 20123 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully I’ll be well-slept < 1561507769 155254 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it seems correct < 1561507805 515340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though why is it local upto weekday and month spellings? < 1561507825 643869 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, so overlocal < 1561507849 539398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your own irc client sending that text < 1561507896 581334 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it should do it more neutrally < 1561508524 207094 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, an IRC pager?! wow < 1561508536 303785 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ultimate bye this time < 1561508800 230130 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1561509390 78298 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:6002:1063:ff0a:3850 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561509652 54140 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:6002:1063:ff0a:3850 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1561510435 847167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fungot < 1561510436 82866 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is a winner's attitude, and there is no particularly good human translation for this concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear con < 1561510488 912527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I thought I had got that right. :/ < 1561510503 727088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's speech seems to be denoted by a single, linear concept. < 1561510503 773384 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is a really hot look for a stronger! < 1561510822 258699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even looking at them sources, I'm not sure what went wrong there. < 1561511110 180954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, maybe lambdabot's just ignoring their fellow robotic pal. < 1561511137 915434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1561511150 141172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo @echo < 1561511150 359166 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo @echo < 1561511173 534120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is also not responding to my ctcp time < 1561511173 609516 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is it, like an apple or, just maybe, this is just what your porkhollow's fat ass needs. < 1561511190 402639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: take that back < 1561511190 496393 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: john. recycle the grist in the room. he briefly speaks to its strife! quota for the day. she simply returns to the land of thought and focus on the matter < 1561511203 331500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1561511203 400356 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1561511227 858313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it did respond. < 1561511244 678132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I wasn't paying attention. < 1561511251 396679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's kind of a human-assisted mechanism.) < 1561511307 54774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're the bot now, dog < 1561511307 154548 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: iv) the frequency of a < 1561511310 781231 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1561511321 124757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:07 [ctcp(fungot)] HUG < 1561511321 124812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:08 CTCP CUDDLE reply from fungot: < 1561511324 463166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ☝ < 1561511347 357756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've discovered the best bot < 1561511350 430785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that may have been a protocol violation. < 1561511369 428130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1561511378 202861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuddle protocols have been violated < 1561511381 153808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not compute < 1561511383 783656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exterminate < 1561511406 695106 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561511452 48375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the agora fungot style, I think there may have been a few too many insufficiently unwrapped newlines. < 1561511452 133747 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whatever the outcome of the contest fund shall be created in the rules < 1561511466 271542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tends to end sentences pretty abruptly. < 1561511478 174493 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1561511484 38420 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 bot <3 < 1561511515 46328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a cuddle bot < 1561511519 162762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably the kind with fur + meow < 1561511539 23378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ purr + cute < 1561511621 353684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a new pair of those on the [insert your locale's designation of the floor that's one above street level] floor flat right above the entrance to this building, every now and then I see them observing intently what goes on. < 1561511684 258627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/byltf3/my_nephew_had_the_best_interruption_while_trying/ < 1561513089 109507 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1561513396 706314 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is LuaRocks more like Python's packaging... globalness, or is it more like Cargo/npm with separate dependency installations per project? < 1561513413 930523 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what packaging is like in the Pythonverse < 1561513889 469878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got that venv thing going on over there in Pythonia, at least. < 1561514635 241940 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-japdrzbtoeyjltlj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1561515000 864965 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently LuaRocks is global by default, can be set to be local < 1561515906 51982 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:6002:1063:ff0a:3850 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561516184 65098 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:6002:1063:ff0a:3850 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1561519931 756641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Garbage14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=63704 5* 03A 5* (+427) 10Created page with "[[Garbage]] is a very simple [[esoteric programming language]] in order to fullfill the definitions of a programmming language. == Syntax == The language can only contain one..." > 1561520103 845679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Garbage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63705&oldid=63704 5* 03A 5* (-11) 10/* Syntax */ > 1561520146 564079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Garbage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63706&oldid=63705 5* 03A 5* (+24) 10/* Syntax */ > 1561520166 890963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Garbage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63707&oldid=63706 5* 03A 5* (-12) 10 > 1561520267 477798 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Garbage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63708&oldid=63707 5* 03A 5* (+13) 10/* Syntax 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:wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say I have a 1990s scientific pocket calculator that works with floating-point numbers whose mantissa is a decimal number of 12 decimal digits. I want to find out if it does multiplication correctly, or instead it cheats by dropping some digits or doing rounding wrong, and thus reverse engineer the semantics of its multiplication. Does someone happ < 1561555764 671467 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en to have testcases that help in this? < 1561556045 902759 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just realized why, if in an interactive python3 interpreter, you enter a for-loop with a single statement right after the colon, it prompts you for more lines before executing it, despite that python syntax implies that the body suite can't continue if there's a statement after the colon in the same line < 1561556097 210366 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because for loops have an optional else: clause < 1561556558 26514 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jauovmrvdzxmbiwd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1561557121 164934 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1561558232 861164 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1561558362 733723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was another language with "else" clauses for loops, except with different semantics. < 1561558401 241277 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561558414 347787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python's are apparently "the loop terminated due to the condition being false" (instead of break). < 1561558427 552857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other language I think was "the loop was not entered at all". < 1561558444 12309 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it also was the later for python < 1561558531 234414 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, there's I think two different semantics. continue blocks in perl; else blocks in python; and some crazy suggestion for C++ (though I don't see how it would even not be syntactically ambiguous) < 1561558630 892903 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't c++'s syntax context sensitive to begin with < 1561558763 769868 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I just dreamed the latter < 1561558794 557783 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no, I mean it would patently break existing programs that have the form `if (a) for (;b;) c; else d;` < 1561558806 496659 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's so obvious that that probably wasn't the proposed syntax < 1561558821 293323 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the syntax was different or I'm confusing this with an entirely different language or just dreamed it up < 1561558832 708990 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good old dangling else < 1561559446 699999 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: incidentally, the dangling else doesn't make the grammer not context-free < 1561559473 242576 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1561559653 399695 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructors or something like that do, according to the c++ fqa < 1561559689 465257 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it doesn't even make the grammar inherently unambiguous. < 1561559715 705514 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cs.stackexchange.com/q/68828/ < 1561559721 601804 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah < 1561559904 94377 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561559990 837672 :kolontaev!~kolontaev@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561559996 909216 :kolontaev!~kolontaev@82.144.205.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generating Malbolge code using simulated annealing https://yurichev.com/blog/malbolge/ < 1561560289 33774 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolontaev: very cool! < 1561560630 262523 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1561561024 318609 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my cat: https://imgur.com/a/PPqkpMU < 1561561432 991790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is its name "the"? < 1561561498 775169 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxmnkpkxbbyyjnkl JOIN :#esoteric < 1561561763 856828 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, “the” is the name of the picture, and cat’s name is one of fungot’s styles < 1561561763 953416 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ( 2) without disrupting the existence of the < 1561561770 37335 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1561561770 90073 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora* alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1561561786 709862 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one < 1561561839 716699 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I should consider renaming her “the” as she prefers to not treat that name as something special < 1561561850 457780 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that/the current < 1561561870 627093 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I call her different things from time to time > 1561563149 365361 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63712&oldid=63702 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1307) 10 > 1561563208 268284 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63713&oldid=63712 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (-3) 10 > 1561563239 620208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63714&oldid=63713 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+2) 10 > 1561563371 716926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63715&oldid=63701 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+134) 10 < 1561563658 382845 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1561565128 774120 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1561565143 664465 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, getting a contact email for google support is terrible < 1561565303 897744 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1561565374 791270 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1561565436 651360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: please hold while we train our AI to deal with your problem < 1561565462 938157 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather not < 1561565528 367394 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I'm surprised to hear that apparently, Google still employs people. > 1561565834 220112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63716&oldid=63715 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+1570) 10 > 1561565864 627628 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63717&oldid=63716 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+4) 10/* Hello World Program */ < 1561565888 822741 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1561565952 777821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63718&oldid=63714 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+135) 10/* Explanation */ < 1561566501 460071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is really such a thing as "Google support", as in a specific group of people. < 1561566538 621164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All the groups of people are more specific to products than that.) < 1561568505 922613 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1561568560 71926 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561568913 63310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1561569126 17452 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems I’ve just reinvented a call stack < 1561569310 786886 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack where you have bars (I have taken them from 7 and maybe something else too) and can index elements from the highest bar upto top and push a copy of an element by index (what’s good it doesn’t mess the indexing) < 1561569329 697419 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal commands use the top elements as usual < 1561569381 864709 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one can clear all elements from the top down to the nearest bar, and remove that bar too, and we can assume the bottom has an infinite amount of bars < 1561569395 622891 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1561569430 129310 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I muse: we could support procedures this way… and then it gets me < 1561569519 786508 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I’m worried that punctured trees and this barstack will feel crowded in one esolang together < 1561569538 336508 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this memory organization seems just too good < 1561569541 56002 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to wait < 1561569564 357673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should Befunge be alone in the feature-creeped esolang category... < 1561569743 255468 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I didn’t think it is < 1561569823 700556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really isn't. < 1561569844 53697 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I have a guiding star of Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon Shear Disaster Download < 1561569866 127345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, I meant to say I didn’t think it’s feature-creeped at all < 1561569871 153495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the least there's mroman's Burlesque, and there are the Golfscript dialects. < 1561569879 158671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1561569971 801906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to pinpoint the meaning of "it".
< 1561569976 505976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails.
< 1561569996 382881 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t remember its features in full, so it’s an internal something, not an external something < 1561570022 308905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Deewiant/Mycology is an indication of how rich Befunge is. < 1561570022 630924 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend had eaten my ears with mentions of de re and de dicto, so I wonder if this is them < 1561570065 503213 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e fails. => I meant, Befunge. Oh, I need more pronouns < 1561570168 368774 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the very fact that there are language extensions ("fingerprints") is very feature-creepy. < 1561570294 617401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi there! < 1561570294 714520 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 0.50 if the deck and transferring it to take precedence over every other currency. < 1561570315 967289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are those '06 bitcoins? < 1561570316 57990 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is a member of that cfj. the ' actual value' of the three day period is in < 1561570321 508128 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot prints < 1561570321 560627 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: announcement of a < 1561570334 860461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^^ beware < 1561570335 991975 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that a is case-sensitive < 1561570342 692334 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1561570390 771967 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you seen my cat named the^W^W yet? < 1561570453 723930 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is Punctree a reasonable portmanteau of “punctured” and “tree”? < 1561570487 755462 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not for schachaf specifically) < 1561570500 226977 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, only) < 1561570705 888616 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, charging my laptop from USB-C for the first time < 1561571625 680987 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1561571652 705141 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1561571654 187150 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host < 1561571654 187399 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1561572202 95965 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1561572244 552627 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1561573241 577362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63719&oldid=63717 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+101) 10 > 1561573382 777790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63720&oldid=63719 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+27) 10 < 1561573406 744528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp bar < 1561573408 244671 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :abnf:Augmented Backus-Naur Form, an update on the popular Backus-Naur Form programming language, introduces support for "Augmented Production", e.g. `foo +::= bar`. The older `::=` syntax will continue to be supported for orthogonal-compatibility purposes. \ arabic:.scihpylgoreiH sa drah sa ton hguoht ,troppus stnof ekam ot drah yrev si taht egaugnal citimes lartnec a si cibarA \ bardsworthlist:bardsworthlist is update notification for the Bardsworth webco > 1561573422 241798 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63721&oldid=63720 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+0) 10 < 1561574604 154644 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1561575153 42502 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a USB-C power brick that can charge my laptop from a Powerpole connector! < 1561575156 429857 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so exciting < 1561575165 803704 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty compact too < 1561575241 236319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: that is a top-notch tdh < 1561575305 168441 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1561575331 542146 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cat-ears, not arrows) < 1561575483 614019 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: and some kind of madness has started to evolve < 1561575505 745887 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1561575871 236018 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561575894 810121 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1561575896 744157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Uh, a top-notch cat < 1561575970 442594 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1561575996 141435 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought tdh is something like hth, a modifier of sorts < 1561576007 786994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was. < 1561576012 86530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdh < 1561576013 198883 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth. < 1561576021 490742 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I’ve already presumed it’s about the cat < 1561576023 900077 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1561576143 789168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a state-of-the-art cat classification system and it has classified alice as top-notch < 1561576337 122258 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1561576349 10764 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is heart-warming < 1561576369 98885 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll tell it to her < 1561576372 605716 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat < 1561576373 652928 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are cool, but should be illegal. < 1561576383 897004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1561579978 620864 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1561581904 369372 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric > 1561582644 878086 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=63722 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+8686) 10the revelation cant be postponed any further > 1561582675 684085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Arseniiv14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63723&oldid=59252 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+15) 10technical < 1561582789 601481 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 NICK :Soni|AntiMatrix > 1561582935 449457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63724&oldid=63722 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+94) 10categorify < 1561582944 590879 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada? > 1561583123 365863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63725&oldid=63724 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+26) 10/* Syntax */ behavior fix < 1561583205 237666 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it’s TC but it may surprisingly be not > 1561583612 65793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63726&oldid=63725 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+6) 10sorry, a couple of not-so-tolerable mistakes < 1561583628 595099 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I’m finished < 1561583851 890845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: a funny byte encoding would be to compose 2 _ 0 and 2 0 _ (with 2 0 0 for nil) < 1561583911 710278 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, good idea! < 1561583921 953375 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though we need to be able to parse it < 1561583954 425569 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the original one, I at least think it’s easy < 1561583980 273153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this idea brought to you by lisp: caaddr < 1561584012 206276 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: though nil would be _, there should be exactly one hole in a whole tree < 1561584015 271347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah I bet it's more annoying to parse thant the more customary cons/nil list. < 1561584037 826468 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. I wanted to make a tree for some reason, rather than a context (aka tree') < 1561584062 729660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: your cat's ears are very good < 1561584066 423465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eyes < 1561584073 182238 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your idea is tempting < 1561584112 904709 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm I thought these are a pretty standard ones < 1561584121 35726 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyes < 1561584124 631587 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: oh is _° := 0 a typo? < 1561584141 591774 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: definitely, it should be idempotent here > 1561584208 855330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63727&oldid=63726 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+1) 10nastie typoes < 1561584455 392298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561584480 110478 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: destructing your things seems easy: π′(2 cont′ 0) = π′(2 0 cont′) = cont′, and we can see is this 2 cont′ 0 or 2 0 cont′ by using < (gives 2 cont′ 0 ≢ _ vs. _) < 1561584482 559476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1561584513 622713 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we need to show they are easily constructed < 1561584578 477677 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__+ gives 2 _ 0, then we can apply ~ to get 2 0 _, and we can compose all the way < 1561584604 20526 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll swap in your construction, then < 1561584680 194519 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also what’s your wiki name if I to credit you < 1561584697 990374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally unsurprising: int-e < 1561584791 625090 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcdc6imrwoapg3.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1561584793 337791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever say the meaning of that name? < 1561585006 309325 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1561585007 321369 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans. Er hat ein Hipster-Spiel gekauft. < 1561585211 82425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so it’s not for example Int-E or something? Though thanks, this is much simpler to find out < 1561585300 514425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, works both ways > 1561585644 555813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63728&oldid=63727 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+576) 10newerer < 1561585697 786797 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m glad < 1561585795 602647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For building constants, you can add bits with _+ and ~_+~, no . required. I think. < 1561585930 502133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :("add" meaning "prepend") < 1561585993 459438 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps store unbounded sized natural numbers in the tree encoding that Amicus uses? :-) < 1561586230 525062 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:e4b1:e178:b8d:4989 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1561586285 185216 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: better safe! I’m not entirely sure in +, I added it solely to construct something with 2 as a head < 1561586359 277813 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is there a place for one _? < 1561586376 861733 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: no. they represent integers as a *tree*. < 1561586384 904500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :trees don't have underscores. < 1561586403 223063 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you can also represent lists of numbers as a tree < 1561586410 608368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you just put the representations in a list < 1561586422 979032 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, though, what am I saying, we can always treat a tree as (2 _ tree), valid here < 1561586451 839811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed you use the underscore as a cursor that you move around in the tree or something < 1561586484 144855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can modify items deep into the tree without having to rebuild a path from the root to it < 1561586548 146168 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1561586569 717706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know much about what your language does, so I'm not sure about this < 1561586570 387653 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though this is yet theoretical in regard to operations I had picked < 1561586613 506489 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does something strange, maybe I should this time write an interpreter < 1561586639 902011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may help < 1561586642 518314 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :write programs too < 1561586659 609585 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps reusable library functions, if such things are possible in this language < 1561586788 906240 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a big hack: quoting, and a while-else loop using quoted code chunks. One could write eval using that construct, so there is a way to use functions, though if there are more than 24 of them, it would be not so easy < 1561586939 956216 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:6925:2439:dc2b:a7ba JOIN :#esoteric < 1561587283 703692 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, it works, though there is no need for the first ~ (only the root branches are mirrored, so there is no need to pre-mirror the argument), but these two operations append bits. Though I can easily change the details so they would prepend them. Don’t know if having a most or least signifigant digit near the head of the tree′ is more useful < 1561587357 263669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hmm, are we viewing the trees the same way? I'm viewing the root as the head of the list < 1561587395 141670 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: same < 1561587466 475077 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no, the head is the left child (car), the tail is the right child (cdr) < 1561587500 750256 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but look at my explicit procedure for converting a byte into a tree′, I think it should give results inverted to what you expected < 1561587596 82956 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah, this is how I started with the encoding, and it would be useful to encode arbitrary lists, but then int-e suggested a symmetric encoding for bit lists, so it’s about that one now < 1561587735 779854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I still think of it as prepending... you just have a little endian bit encoding. Your brain may operate differently :) < 1561587800 204284 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmaybe < 1561587817 267013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people use big endian < 1561587822 842632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-68.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1561587824 351420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have any benefits twh < 1561587848 379276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's an arBITrary choice < 1561587898 248168 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big endian is familiar from how we write numbers. I think for left-to-right reading it does have cognitive advantages in that the most significant digits are encountered first. < 1561587903 204469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers just don't care. > 1561587938 811752 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Punctree14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63729&oldid=63728 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+127) 10endianness issues: not treated < 1561587944 941095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for human use. < 1561587971 148963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time for https://www.ietf.org/rfc/ien/ien137.txt again. < 1561588154 49166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEN 731 < 1561588204 153819 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about before, but now you're just trolling < 1561588224 153356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I'm joking, not trolling. < 1561588245 168271 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when I will write the interpreter, there would be modes for both endiannesses, to check what code variant is easier on the eyes < 1561588260 504680 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yllufepoh < 1561588320 680561 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in this one I will be able to write a truth machine example < 1561588344 779879 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I specially included equality testing as a primitive < 1561588367 464864 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more hypothetical speepless nights! < 1561588384 636832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My question was serious: Are there any benefits to writing numbers with the most significant digit first, rather than last? < 1561588391 736640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that it'd be less awkward the other way. < 1561588418 784379 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe, but we also need to start speaking them this way too < 1561588433 901166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I add numbers in my head, I often do it from left to right, and backtrack when I run into a carry. I think this is a common algorithm. < 1561588504 808560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously in practice it's more important to be compatible with existing conventions. But are there any advantages to the standard way? < 1561588783 851302 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, mostly compatibility with spoken numerals and what int-e mentioned that most significant digit is more significant so maybe if it goes first, there may be a time advantage. Though I doubt it is for numbers under ten or so digits, they should be read all at once < 1561588812 415889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But without knowing the length of the number the most significant digit is kind of meaningless. < 1561588835 638024 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for some additional obscure reasons, I’ll join the question < 1561588842 493852 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1561588961 158254 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this second arguments dangles on very rare cases when we can (and want!) estimate the length of a number written on many lines, or maybe even pages, so that we also can’t see it all at once < 1561588973 524863 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/arguments/argument < 1561590158 159463 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxmnkpkxbbyyjnkl QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1561590949 695356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1561590951 572176 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1561591318 119881 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: following the new Punctree spec, trying to test my understanding: Is (2 _ _) simply equal to a leaf, 0? so that 2 (2 _ _) α := 2 0 α? < 1561591459 535574 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: hm I’d say 2 _ _ is meaningless (and can’t be a result of operations on trees′ which are defined there) < 1561591484 750677 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can define 0 as 2 _ _ if it would be useful, though! < 1561591531 856126 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know if it will, at least from an implementation standpoint < 1561591642 975183 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the defaults of / \ seem to imply there is a virtual (2 _ _) below every 0, I was trying to think is there is difference between a virtual (2 _ _) and an explicit one < 1561591805 949101 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what I was really trying to do was make holes in the tree trunks, but these seem like proper binary trees, so that's not possible :) < 1561592058 970383 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: ah now I see. If it will all be consistent, maybe there is a sense to treat 0 as 2 _ _, though I think there will still be complications < 1561592124 522479 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, holes in place of 2s would be far away from zipper ideas I flowed on to this < 1561592334 231573 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure about (2 _ _), whether it was implied or intended by the spec. I was trying to infer something that was not explicitly stated to check I got the concept. I _think_ it's safe, but there may be issues depending how other parts interact < 1561592506 215356 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.235.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds