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00:12:00 <Lykaina> i may have to change how N - Q work. i think the problem is in those and related code.
00:12:23 <Lykaina> (subs and if/while loops)
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01:38:33 <Lykaina> b_jonas: got it!
01:38:51 <Lykaina> except i had to change the lang a little
01:39:12 <Lykaina> and while loops aren't working perfect
01:51:24 <Lykaina> on the repo as version 0.02
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02:19:28 <Lykaina> How clear is http://sif.lesidhetree.com/sara/echidna/echidna_v0_02.pdf ?
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02:27:18 <Lykaina> might have to split if/while into if and loop
02:27:49 <Lykaina> have 3 ifs, 1 loop
02:28:14 <Lykaina> the problems with while are annoying me
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02:29:39 <Lykaina> i had to put a note in the doc saying that while loops don't work properly
02:29:47 <Lykaina> that's how bad
02:33:33 <Lykaina> it reads: "while" loops do not work right (bug), use an extra "if" at end.
02:39:00 <Lykaina> does anyone care?
02:40:39 <Cale> `pbflist
02:40:40 <HackEso> pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale
02:41:36 <Lykaina> huh?
02:41:47 <Cale> https://pbfcomics.com/comics/cranky-baby/
02:42:14 <Lykaina> remember when 192KiB was a lot?
02:44:22 <Lykaina> (of RAM)
02:48:05 <Cale> Vaguely, but I only really got started computing on a machine with 2MB of RAM.
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05:29:32 <kmc> new pbf?
05:30:06 <kmc> huh, is pbf updating regularly again?
05:31:04 <kmc> <3 <3 <3 https://pbfcomics.com/comics/command-respect/ <3 <3 <3
05:31:30 <Sgeo__> It's been updating irregularly for a while
05:32:49 <Sgeo__> Unless it's regular and I haven't noticed. I'm not sure the exact dates it's updated
05:33:36 <kmc> okay
05:41:02 <shachaf> kmc: pigeon appreciation day
05:42:41 <kmc> which day is that
05:42:46 <shachaf> every day
05:42:50 <pikhq_> Nah, it's officially updating very irregularly.
05:42:54 <kmc> june 13?
05:42:56 <kmc> ok
05:43:41 <shachaf> also june 13
05:43:49 <shachaf> did you see the picture i sent you with all the pigeons
05:44:12 <shachaf> there were so many and they were all flying toward the food-or-something on the road
05:44:15 <shachaf> it was tg
05:44:40 <kmc> i'm not sure
05:45:29 <shachaf> you sent me a heart so you probably saw it
05:45:32 <shachaf> ♥
05:46:15 <kmc> k
05:46:23 <kmc> heavy black heart
05:47:06 <shachaf> `quote very heavy
05:47:07 <HackEso> 1333) <shachaf> `unidecode ⧸🙼  <HackEso> ​[U+29F8 BIG SOLIDUS] [U+1F67C VERY HEAVY SOLIDUS]  <shachaf> it is with a very heavy solidus that i write to inform you that unicode has too many code points
05:47:27 <shachaf> maybe that should just say heavy black heart
05:47:39 <shachaf> whoa
05:47:46 <shachaf> that solidus didn't show up in mosh
05:47:49 <shachaf> but it's really heavy
05:51:28 <kmc> the heavier the solidus the greater the sense of dread
06:03:23 <kmc> shachaf: did you know that js console.log supports styling the log text?
06:03:25 <kmc> console.log('%cscow', 'font-size: 80px; color: red');
06:06:18 <shachaf> I think I heard about that.
06:06:29 <shachaf> I think I decided that the less I have to deal with JavaScript the better?
06:08:30 <zzo38> At least in HTML it does. Node.js also has a console.log function but it works a bit differently. However, it is portable if you only pass a single argument, which is a string. Then it will work with both Node.js and HTML.
06:14:17 <kmc> zzo38: true
06:17:04 <shachaf> what language should i program in
06:21:15 <zzo38> Depend what program you are going to write, I think.
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06:33:25 <zzo38> You can learn many different programming languages
06:33:35 <b_jonas> kmc: pbf never stopped updating 
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08:43:04 <cpressey> Good morning. I guess the Prompt monad's not so strange after all. Of course, I say this after only reading & thinking about it, not really playing with it.
08:44:20 <shachaf> Uh oh.
08:44:28 <shachaf> I want to know about Prompt monads but I also want to go to sleep.
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08:44:35 <shachaf> I think I'll try sleep.
08:45:10 <cpressey> Good night shachaf !
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09:44:15 <rain1> what do you thin about the prompt monad
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09:59:00 <cpressey> rain1: Well, on the practical side of things, it looks like a good way to do "dependency injection" with monads.
09:59:14 <rain1> The term dependency injection scares me
09:59:29 <wob_jonas> fear of needles?
10:19:58 <Lykaina> hi
10:28:18 <rain1> hi Lykaina
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13:23:30 <Lykaina> wob_jonas: thanks :)
13:24:28 <Lykaina> working on splitting source files to make it easier to track changes
13:25:08 <Lykaina> haven't pushed it yet
13:27:19 <wob_jonas> Lykaina: good. have you published the version of the interpreter that reads the program into memory yet?
13:28:38 <Lykaina> yes, i pushed it
13:30:06 <Lykaina> gave it a max of 64KiB (not including whitespace)
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13:59:09 <Lykaina> wob_jonas: split version pushed
14:04:13 <Lykaina> brb
14:19:49 <Lykaina> back
14:23:12 <Lykaina> hi wob_jonas 
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14:54:38 <Lykaina> hi Sgeo__ 
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14:59:35 <Lykaina> wob_jonas: "short"ened the mem[] in the interpreter.
14:59:50 <Lykaina> to save memory
15:02:13 <Lykaina> it's supposed to be 2-byte, why not force it?
15:05:17 <wob_jonas> Lykania: good
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15:43:51 <zzo38> What is a prompt monad? What is its definition? (If I knew before, and I don't know if I have, I have forgotten now anyways)
15:49:02 <cpressey> zzo38: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/MonadPrompt-1.0.0.5/docs/Control-Monad-Prompt.html
15:49:19 <cpressey> It's sort of a "configurable monad"
15:50:23 <int-e> The modern explanation would cast it as a flavour of the free monad.
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15:57:10 <cpressey> int-e: It seems like a useful flavour, whereas "free monad" seems general enough to be (a) hard for me to fully appreciate and (b) not obviously a useful thing for me to employ in my code
15:58:40 <cpressey> I don't remember noq exactly how I came across Prompt, anyway.
15:58:45 <cpressey> *now
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16:02:56 <int-e> cpressey: yeah the connection to free monads uses a fairly odd functor: http://paste.debian.net/1099707/
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16:03:22 <int-e> cpressey: Also, the explanation is ahistorical; the prompt monad predates the free monad fad by a year or so.
16:06:44 <int-e> cpressey: And personally I like the Prompt flabor a lot better than the free monad, because it expresses a familiar programming model: Define an interface for a DSL in terms of commands (with result types), and then handle each command in a handler (or several handlers).
16:08:15 <int-e> This was all Ryan's work though. My contribution was the codensity transformation (that's an ahistorical explanation again).
16:08:52 <zzo38> Do you like my CodensityAsk monad? (I think the name isn't very good, but I couldn't think of a better name)
16:27:42 <cpressey> zzo38: I haven't seen it. Also, the Wikipedia entry on "codensity monad" is scary.
16:28:52 <zzo38> newtype Codensity f a = Codensity (forall r. (a -> f r) -> f r);
16:30:02 <zzo38> Sorry, that is not it. CodensityAsk is: forall r. f r -> (a -> r) -> r
16:30:12 <zzo38> So, it is a bit similar
16:33:20 <zzo38> newtype CodensityAsk w x = CodensityAsk { runCodensityAsk :: forall z. w z -> (x -> z) -> z };  also  Monad (CodensityAsk w)  and  Comonad w => MonadPlus (CodensityAsk w)
16:38:58 <cpressey> zzo38: I might let you know, in a few days.
16:40:32 <cpressey> I think I found Prompt via the operational package. I want to play with that a bit first.
16:43:02 <cpressey> int-e: btw, thanks for updating the solitaire game! You certainly didn't need to, but, I can confirm I'm able to build and run it now :)
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17:14:07 <b_jonas> see? another match. http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pocket https://xkcd.com/2130/
17:15:14 <b_jonas> they're totally copying each other often
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17:39:21 <b_jonas> ``` for x in 30 35 40; do ftoc $x; done
17:39:22 <HackEso> 30.00°F = -1.11°C \ 35.00°F = 1.67°C \ 40.00°F = 4.44°C
18:03:32 <arseniiv> ftoc 0
18:03:38 <arseniiv> `ftoc 0
18:03:39 <HackEso> 0.00°F = -17.78°C
18:04:04 <arseniiv> I still can’t wrap my head over that scale
18:05:13 <shachaf> it makes no sense hth
18:05:52 <shachaf> zzo38: I like your CodensityAsk monad.
18:09:16 <b_jonas> me neither, which is why I use this calculator
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