00:00:41 <imode> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_calculus this is interesting.
00:01:39 <kmc> i don't like this syntax
00:01:49 <imode> which one, ambient or pi.
00:02:59 <imode> I feel like the unrestricted use of channels is a problem.
00:03:07 <imode> no one man needs all those channels.
00:03:32 <kmc> 800 channels and nothing on...
00:04:33 <imode> T in Mode would be { receive receive receive roll drop last send }, while F in mode would be { receive receive receive roll roll drop last last send }
00:06:22 <kmc> i don't know this language, how does it work
00:06:28 <kmc> is it a stack based concurrent calculus?
00:06:55 <imode> close. queue based.
00:08:06 <imode> each process (the stuff between { and }s) gets allocated a single channel. `receive` always references that channel.
00:08:47 <imode> `send`, though, references any channel at the head of the queue, and sends the value after that channel through it.
00:08:48 <HackEso> /srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: send`,: not found
00:10:06 <imode> I have stuff like looping constructs, but I wonder if I can render them obsolete by treating { and } as looping processes with a halt operation.
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00:15:42 <imode> forking a process for every loop could be.. useful, I suppose.
00:22:19 <imode> an if construct would be @{VVV:..$^}{VVV:..$^}^^^ sans some shuffling ops.
00:22:31 <imode> it's just @ true true send send send
00:28:02 <pikhq> I feel like that'd be relatively easy to build on top of BEAM.
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01:07:55 <lf94> my lang is built off of pi calculus
01:08:14 <lf94> http://leefallat.ca/notes/p-lang/rambling-2019-10-20.html
01:08:26 <lf94> the whole thing is just a vague blur
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01:28:49 <imode> pikhq: it really would. I've been trying to build it in Go.
01:29:40 <pikhq> Fair enough. Could probably get it to work alright there. Dunno if it'd be efficient, but 🤷🏻♀️
01:31:14 <imode> it's some of the same concepts. every process gets a single channel and can accept channels owned by other processes. so very much like erlang/BEAM's model of processes and pids. but you can easily map them to goroutines and channels.
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01:57:09 <imode> I had an epiphany: 01[] may still very well be turing complete. you just need to be creative in how you format things.
01:57:20 <imode> 010 can stand for false, and 0110 can stand for true
01:59:52 <imode> I had a formulation for NOT and AND.
02:00:13 <imode> along with dup. and swap.
02:26:54 <imode> [][] is drop in this.
02:27:10 <imode> 0110 010 [][] -> 010
02:36:21 <imode> duplicate is.. difficult. I'm having a hard time recognizing compound symbols.
02:38:53 <imode> ideally I'd have something like...
02:39:09 <imode> 0110 <accept 0110> 010 <end of accept 0110>
02:42:32 <imode> I could probably brute force search it (with an evaluation step limit), but...
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02:47:40 <imode> oh well. concurrency primitives might yield something better. who knows.
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05:29:54 <imode> 01[]$ presents an easier gateway to being turing complete.
05:46:48 <imode> 0110 [][[010[]0$]0$] recognizes 0110.
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10:22:08 <HackEso> The password of the month is not what it seems
10:22:34 <cpressey> Huh, spaces are allowed in the password of the month. Okay.
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10:55:42 <ais523_> it's a different month now anyway
10:55:53 <ais523_> `le//rn password//The password of the month is mostly irrelvant.
10:55:56 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is mostly irrelvant.
10:56:05 <ais523_> `le//rn password//The password of the month is mostly irrelevant.
10:56:10 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is mostly irrelevant.
11:02:48 <cpressey> Ah, I assumed that /was/ the new password, seeing as it's the 4th already today.
11:03:31 <ais523_> I'm not even sure why we have that thing anyway :-D
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11:26:01 <wib_jonas> cpressey: spaces are technically allowed in a password, but not recommended, because on many keyboards, the space bar makes a very distinctive sound, making side channel attacks easier
11:29:28 <ais523_> I had the old one memorized, that's what you do with passwords, right?
11:34:33 <wib_jonas> ais523_: some people ask computers to memorize it.
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11:57:26 <wib_jonas> "The Program Is Mostly Ignored" -- like in the pear tree?
12:03:08 <fizzie> `` hg log -T "{sub(r'-\d\d .*','',date|isodate)} {node}\n" wisdom/password | while read m r; do echo "$m: $(hg cat -r $r wisdom/password)"; done | paste
12:03:33 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.32417
12:05:05 <wib_jonas> fizzie: I tried such hg log -R {rev} -r 0: somefile | (while read m r; do hg cat -r "$r" | grep somestring; done) loops, to find the first revision . they seemed to not work too well for some reason, probably timeout or something
12:05:20 <wib_jonas> maybe I should look up in the docs of hg how to properly do that
12:06:52 <fizzie> Yes, it's pretty slow. Probably that password list also just barely made it.
12:14:49 <wib_jonas> fizzie: yeah, admittedly I tried it on quotes , which has among the longest history
12:15:16 <wib_jonas> what's the URL if I just want to clone the repository to do such dumb things locally?
12:15:27 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom
12:15:29 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/quotes
12:16:50 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/
12:16:56 <HackEso> url(7) - uniform resource identifier (URI), including a URL or URN \ url(1hackeso) - print URL to view contents of a hackenv file \ url(8lambdabot) - no description
12:21:21 <HackEso> url(7) - uniform resource identifier (URI), including a URL or URN \ url(1hackeso) - print URL for a file in the hackenv hg repository and web access of the repository \ url(8lambdabot) - no description
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13:24:52 <imode> found 'roll'. 0[][1]0
13:25:43 <imode> 'dup' is gonna be harder.
13:29:50 <imode> recognize <number> = <number> [] ([ * <number>) [] <body> (0$] * <number>)
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16:42:00 <arseniiv> wib_jonas: pointer machines seem to be unrelated to GMM
16:42:53 <wib_jonas> arseniiv: in that case what are GMM?
16:43:39 <arseniiv> before any better name arises, they are GMM ;)
16:44:05 <arseniiv> we could call them algebraic machines, for instance
16:44:41 <arseniiv> I think GMM is still a perfectly valid instance of register machine
16:44:42 <imode> remind me to ask you about your machines, arseniiv.
16:45:28 <arseniiv> it has registers, albeit typed ones which contain references to trees
16:45:47 <imode> in the next day or so. ;)
16:46:23 <arseniiv> imode: do you use lambdabot messaging?
16:47:38 <arseniiv> @tell imode I remind you to ask me about my overgeneralized machines
16:47:55 <wib_jonas> arseniiv: yes, that's how pointer machines work, if all the structures allocated on the heap are immutable. that's not the most common definition, usually people allow mutable structures, but I prefer the pure version.
16:48:13 <arseniiv> though maybe I’ll still remember it for myself tomorrow too
16:49:21 <arseniiv> wib_jonas: hm it seems I didn’t understand what a pointer machine is in general, then. I had read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointer_machine
16:49:39 <arseniiv> there it seems they are different enough
16:50:52 <arseniiv> they write there: “Pointer machines cannot do arithmetic. Computation proceeds only by reading input symbols, modifying and doing various tests on its storage structure—the pattern of nodes and pointers, and outputting symbols based on the tests.” This is suspicious
16:51:49 <imode> TMs can't do arithmetic either.
16:52:08 <arseniiv> hm I probably misinterpret what that meant to mean, yeah
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18:31:04 <arseniiv> though I can go more technical
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