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00:51:12 <esowiki> [[Echo Tag]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66980&oldid=64998 * Oerjan * (-2) /* Computational class */ I think this should be the other way around to ensure the *first* symbol of a block of m is used
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00:57:50 <esowiki> [[Tag system]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66981&oldid=49076 * Oerjan * (+163) /* Definition */ Remark on variants
00:59:14 <oerjan> (I noted that the Echo Tag proof seems to implement Post's original version.)
01:04:57 <shachaf> posix_spawn is probably better than fork() in theory, but every time I try to use it it's miserable.
01:05:01 <shachaf> What's that about?
01:11:01 <kmc> shachaf: it starts with "posix"
01:14:24 <fizzie> "posix_spawn_file_actions_adddup2" that's quite a name
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01:27:05 <shachaf> fizzie: Why can't I just pass in a data structure?
01:27:10 <shachaf> Now I gotta worry about allocation failures.
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03:01:28 <esowiki> [[The Program Is Mostly Ignored]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66982&oldid=66979 * Oerjan * (+0) /* When the blockchain has a green block */ I think this is off-by-one (or equivalently, counted in the wrong direction)
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03:55:39 <syncracer> hi
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10:25:38 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queue]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=66983 * YamTokTpaFa * (+157) Created page with "== What additional methods make queue-based languages TC? == --~~~~"
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14:00:22 <ais523_> oerjan: you're right, it was off by 1, I realised that while offline earlier, and was going to fix it myself but you got there first
14:17:19 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66984&oldid=66983 * A * (+204)
14:19:02 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66985&oldid=66984 * A * (+62) /* They are sufficient enough to simulate a tape. */
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15:32:31 * ais523_ has been trying to prove Full Stack TC
15:33:22 <ais523_> it's complex because Front End has only 26 bytes of storage + the instruction pointer; I'm pretty convinced at this point that if it supported Unicode variable names it'd be TC, but there's some definite doubt as to whether the 26 bytes are enough
15:38:15 <wib_jonas> that's a new language
15:38:54 <wib_jonas> ais523: wait, literally "26 bytes of storage + the instruction pointer"? doesn't that mean that it's definitely not TC?
15:39:14 <ais523_> wib_jonas: there are two languages involved
15:39:35 <wib_jonas> ah
15:39:36 <ais523_> Front End is an intentionally sub-TC language; Full Stack repeatedly runs Front End on its own source code
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15:49:54 <wib_jonas> Note to self: whenever I hear of an esoteric language that has a core that sounds like it should be turing-complete, but a seemingly arbitrary restriction to too little addressable memory, and I think it's unrealistic (eg. https://esolangs.org/wiki/?curid=10192 ), I should think of the ATARI 2600 BASIC Programming cart, a high-level programming
15:49:55 <wib_jonas> language for a machine with 128 bytes of RAM.
15:50:49 <Taneb> Who really needs any more than that
15:52:12 <wib_jonas> I've written programs for the Sharp EL-5120, which has 2 kilobytes of RAM, of which 1141 bytes are for program source code. 128 bytes sounds crazy.
15:53:40 <wib_jonas> The annoying part of https://esolangs.org/wiki/?curid=10192 is that it's practically impossible to extend. The meaning of all instructions is completely defined, the addres space is completely occupied by RAM, and since it's only 256 nibbles, you can't even reserve a little of it and hope that programs won't use it, because prorgams want to use all
15:53:41 <wib_jonas> 256 of it.
15:54:48 <wib_jonas> There aren't many language that feel that impossible to extend.
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17:00:12 <ais523_> now you're reminding me of my plan to add output to Echo Tag in a backwards-compatible way
17:00:45 <ais523_> in addition to 0 and 1, there's an O command which acts like 0 in most respects, but when an O in the queue causes a production to be skipped, that production's bit is output
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17:35:29 <ais523_> hmm, is "hello, world!" <https://github.com/histocrat/hello_world> TC?
17:35:35 <ais523_> it's a great idea for a language, at least
17:40:53 <ais523_> actually it wouldn't surprise me if it were an LBA, the command set reminds me a bit of BuzzFizz, but it's less obviously TinC
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19:30:13 <esowiki> [[List of ideas/Archive]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66986&oldid=38997 * CMinusMinus * (+36)
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20:15:38 <kspalaiologos> which language has it's programs having highest entropy on average?
20:16:00 <kspalaiologos> I've been thinking about 05AB1E and all that golfing stuff
20:16:09 <kspalaiologos> but i'm not certainly sure is this the case
20:16:31 <kspalaiologos> possibly someone made a programming language with even more complex instruction set
20:16:35 <kspalaiologos> so programs are denser and denser
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20:49:13 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66987&oldid=66985 * Oerjan * (+270) Not much needed
20:52:28 <esowiki> [[Queue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66988&oldid=62461 * Oerjan * (+76) /* Use in esolangs */ Add BCT
20:53:19 <oerjan> wait what
20:55:58 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=66989&oldid=66987 * Oerjan * (+259) Oops, managed to not notice I was editing old version
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21:43:07 <oerjan> comparing sleeve colors with previous strips, i think that may be martellus in the last girl genius strip. which would make sense given the reaction.
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23:24:04 <b_jonas> dear fungot, please prepare to upload the next o strip tomorrow
23:24:04 <fungot> b_jonas: so, i know that. now that my hands.
23:24:35 <b_jonas> yes, your thumb will never be the same after that accident, such is life
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