00:17:14 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:17:30 Now I internet is fixed (although the DNS is not yet updated). 00:29:27 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:34:27 `@ fizzie cat /hackenv/bin/slbd 00:34:28 fizzie: cd bin; sled "$1" | sed '1s/^Rosebud!$/Rosbbud!/' 00:35:12 fizzie: ^ you've been sediting scripts in bin all day and you haven't ran into that, it's sort of funny 00:35:19 looks like maybe we just don't need that command 00:37:19 `cat /hackenv/ibin/1l 00:37:20 #!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_file ./interps/1l/1l_a.bin 00:37:21 `cat /hackenv/ibin/2l 00:37:21 #!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_file ./interps/2l/2li.bin 00:37:28 ^ thesse may need editing 00:38:50 ``` set -e; cd "$HACKENV/ibin"; grep -Fl ". lib/interp" * # or maybe all of these 00:38:50 1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ java \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ lua \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ slashes \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl 00:38:54 hmm 00:39:40 `cat /hackenv/bin/karma 00:39:40 #!/bin/sh \ echo "$1 has $(lib/karma "$1") karma." 00:39:41 `cat /hackenv/bin/karma+ 00:39:41 #!/bin/sh \ echo "$1 now has $(($(lib/karma "$1")+1)) karma." | tee karma 00:39:42 `cat /hackenv/bin/karma- 00:39:43 #!/bin/sh \ touch karma \ echo "$1 now has $(($(lib/karma "$1")-1)) karma." 00:40:10 ^ these too probably 00:40:19 yes, I know, I can edit those 00:40:50 `sled /hackenv/bin/slbd//s|cd bin|cd ${HACKENV-/hackenv}/bin| 00:40:51 /hackenv/bin/slbd//cd ${HACKENV-/hackenv}/bin; sled "$1" | sed '1s/^Rosebud!$/Rosbbud!/' 00:41:12 It is sort of funny. I even fixed a number of similar "cd bin; ..." things. 00:42:34 The karma thing is pretty clever, though I don't think scalling the full repository log really scales forever. 00:44:02 `slbd karma//s|lib/|${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/| 00:44:08 karma//#!/bin/sh \ echo "$1 has $(${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/karma "$1") karma." 00:45:55 `slbd karma+//s|lib/|${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/| 00:45:57 karma+//#!/bin/sh \ echo "$1 now has $(($(${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/karma "$1")+1)) karma." | tee karma 00:46:04 `slbd karma-//s|lib/|${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/| 00:46:05 `karma+ fizzie 00:46:16 fizzie now has 1 karma. 00:46:17 karma-//#!/bin/sh \ touch karma \ echo "$1 now has $(($(${HACKENV-/hackenv}/lib/karma "$1")-1)) karma." 00:46:30 `karma fungot 00:46:30 b_jonas: and leave any other messages before that one arrives... fnord?? 00:46:33 fungot has 0 karma. 00:47:16 Looks like the karma system saw most use around 2011. 00:47:48 Hmm, there's a number of increments for fungot. That's odd. 00:47:48 fizzie: ( fnord of some sort, but it has the proper makefiles and such, arcus??! 00:51:37 Oh, right, because the repository history starst from 2012. 00:51:55 that's some p. fancy bash-work 00:53:03 yeah, the $[$(${ is nice 00:54:11 HackEso: doesn't the tee target have to be changed as well? 00:54:13 um 00:54:23 fizzie: doesn't the tee output file have to be changed as well? 00:54:29 it's a relative path 00:55:17 Oh, right. That's there so that the command writes something. Yes. 00:56:09 `` for d in + -; do sed -i -e 's|tee karma|tee ${HACKENV-/hackenv}/karma|' /hackenv/bin/karma$d; done 00:56:12 No output. 00:56:45 `` cd /hackenv/bin; rm '!'; ln -s interp '!' # just merging these two identical files 00:56:47 No output. 00:58:03 `karma+ fizzie 00:58:16 fizzie now has 1 karma. 00:58:35 yep, still 1, previous one didn't count 01:03:30 `dowg bin/! 01:03:32 No output. 01:03:42 `doag bin/! 01:03:44 No output. 01:03:49 argh 01:03:59 `dobg ! 01:04:01 12127:2019-11-17 ` cd /hackenv/bin; rm \'!\'; ln -s interp \'!\' # just merging these two identical files \ 12093:2019-11-16 sled /hackenv/bin/!//s|exec ibin|exec $HACKENV/ibin| \ 11880:2019-07-19 ` ln -s interp bin/\\! \ 11879:2019-07-19 ` mv bin/{\\!,interp} \ 11876:2019-07-17 ` sed -i -e \'s/echo/echo -n/\' \'bin/!\' \ 11875:2019-07-17 ` sed -i -e \'s/ARG"$/ARG$2"/\' \'bin/! 01:04:04 Yeah, it's pretty terribul. 01:04:36 i'm not entirely convinced this is an improvement. 01:04:53 `pwd 01:04:54 /hackenv/tmp 01:05:36 `ls 01:05:37 a.c \ a.out \ as-encoding \ asmbf-1.1.1 \ banana.txt \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ hexdump.hex \ input.brachylog \ jeval.whatis \ just \ karma \ le \ out \ OUT \ out.a \ out.a.hd \ out.a.xxd \ paste \ single-word-character-names \ spline \ spout \ spout.raw \ test.b \ test.sh \ tmp.txt \ v1.1.1.tar.gz 01:06:38 `ls .. 01:06:39 bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ stuff \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom 01:07:18 `` echo $PATH 01:07:19 /hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin 01:07:44 oh you made le a symbolic link 01:07:56 i guess that works, although what if it's removed... 01:08:02 `` ls -dl le 01:08:05 lrwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 11 Nov 16 21:29 le -> /hackenv/le 01:08:15 I wasn't sure whether to make it a link or a directory. 01:08:45 Anyway, with the pwd-in-/hackenv/tmp/ setup there really isn't a way to make `foo/bar commands fully revert-able. 01:08:46 `` chmod a-w le 01:08:47 No output. 01:09:03 this should prevent some accidents 01:09:36 what do you mean, fulle revert-able? 01:09:44 *y 01:09:56 `` ls -dl le 01:09:57 lrwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 11 Nov 16 21:29 le -> /hackenv/le 01:09:57 Well, in the sense that if someone breaks it, you can't fix it with `revert. 01:10:01 argh 01:10:09 `` ls -dl ../le 01:10:13 dr-xr-xr-x 2 1000 1000 4096 Apr 7 2018 ../le 01:10:18 darn 01:10:32 `` chmod a+w le 01:10:33 No output. 01:11:48 argh, apparently symbolic links cannot be write-protected 01:15:52 Yes, you cannot change the permission of a symbolic link, I don't know why it is like that 01:16:56 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67109&oldid=67094 * Quadril-Is * (+42) /* General languages */ 01:17:30 [[IBC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67110&oldid=67103 * Quadril-Is * (+5) 01:17:43 Yeah, I'm not certain the benefit of having a bit less cruft in the repo is worth the hassle / breaking change. But I'm not sure it's not, either. 01:19:09 [[User talk:Quadril-Is]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67111 * Quadril-Is * (+189) Created page with "--~~~~ --~~~~" 01:19:51 [[IBC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67112&oldid=67110 * Quadril-Is * (+40) 01:19:59 For ibin, I'll address those as an offline commit if we keep this configuration. 01:20:59 (I was thinking of making `interp to just cd /hackenv first, but it seems inconsistent to have those have a separate default cwd. Though you'd only notice when accessing files, which is maybe not that common.) 01:23:41 [[User:Quadril-Is]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67113&oldid=67073 * Quadril-Is * (+437) 01:26:50 Even if we do revert back to /hackenv as the default directory, I'd probably make `fetch (with no output file specified) write to tmp/ by default. 01:26:56 `slbd hello-world-in-any-language//s|hw/|${HACKENV-/hackenv}/hw/|g 01:26:58 hello-world-in-any-language//if [ -z $(tr [A-Z] [a-z] <<< "$1") ]; then echo "Hello, world!"; else if [ -f ${HACKENV-/hackenv}/hw/$(tr [A-Z] [a-z] <<< "$1") ]; then cat ${HACKENV-/hackenv}/hw/$(tr [A-Z] [a-z] <<< "$1"); else echo "Your language does not exist"; fi; fi 01:31:21 [[Stack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67114&oldid=63100 * Quadril-Is * (+42) /* Usage in esolangs */ 01:34:51 `` rm /hackenv/bin/8$'\x0f'ball # I've no idea what this one was about <-- it was to do a prank 8ball that gives the answer you want hth 01:36:53 Still maintaining a healthy lead, I see. <-- whee 01:40:15 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 02:10:20 healthy lead? I haven't met healthy lead since my childhood. mercury, lead, and even tin counts as poisonous now. zinc, copper and iron will follow them in a few years, and the electronics industry will have to make wires from silver. 02:18:47 the thing about magic 8 ball is if you get an answer you dont like, you just ask "but that last answer was wrong/no-ways permanent, right?" 02:19:04 repeat until magic 8 ball blesses you 02:20:32 b_jonas: iron seems unlikely given that it's an essential nutrient 02:22:31 kingoffrance: sorry, but the first answer takes precedence hth 02:22:55 "Four times he had declared that that accursed Lensman, whoever he might be, must be destroyed, and had mustered his every available force to that end, only to have his intended prey slip from his grasp as effortlessly as a droplet of mercury eludes the clutching fingers of a child." 02:23:15 These days, I don't think children play that much with droplets of mercury. 02:23:26 you think 02:23:52 (The quote was from Galactic Patrol, Edward E. Smith, published 1937.) 02:24:30 all i know about lensman is from the tvtropes page on lensman race 02:24:40 It's got that for sure. 02:24:46 *arms race 02:24:54 oerjan, do i have to purchase magic 8 ball, or can i just shake one inside packaging in a store ~20 years ago and have my future foretold? 02:25:04 how does "tithing" work 02:25:06 But the books have some other slightly old-fashioned bits too. 02:25:22 "For eight hours two hundred Rigellians stood at whining calculators, each solving course-and-distance problems at the rate of ten per minute." 02:25:51 "Then for hours bale after bale of cards went through the machine; thousands of records per minute. Occasionally one card would flip out into a rack, rejected." 02:26:40 kingoffrance: there are many free alternatives hth 02:27:41 fizzie: i think i've seen that quoted before 02:29:00 They've got faster-than-light travel, but haven't really invented computers. 02:34:50 well, "each solving..." they were the computers, they had initiated the process of outsourcing at that point 02:38:03 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 02:49:26 oerjan: is it a nutrient in ion form, or in metalic form? 02:49:37 or does that not matter? 02:51:05 fizzie: not play as such, but I broke at least one mercury thermometer as a child by accident, and I think many children have done that 02:51:47 I only have one last mercury thermometer now, if that one breaks then either I'll have to use one of these modern alcohol or electronic thermometers, or buy one from Ukraine or something 02:51:50 i think metallic does not occur naturally 02:53:35 I think EsoPost is a bit similar to 7 02:54:02 "Iron is both necessary to the body and potentially toxic." says wikipedia 02:54:20 ornxka: right, but metalic iron is used in electronic radiation shields and cooking vessels and the like, and it's the metalic mercury, metalic tin, and metalic lead that is toxic and mostly banned 02:54:24 argh 02:54:25 oerjan: ^ 02:54:50 pff i dont believe that for a second 02:55:06 I think many things that are necessary are toxic. 02:55:16 like oxygen 02:55:56 they say the poison makes the dose which is why i only eat very small amounts of lead at any given time 02:58:24 's ok if it's small enough 02:59:18 oxygen is very toxic 02:59:23 mercury accumulates in the body iirc so it has to be small enough in _total_ dose over a lifetime 02:59:36 not sure about lead, it's also a heavy metal 02:59:43 when plants took over earth and filled the atmosphere with oxygen, it killed 90% of species in existence 03:00:14 kmc: [accurate count verification needed] 03:00:54 or a citation to actual science 03:01:03 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 03:01:06 dunno 03:01:14 my wife told me that and she usually knows what she's talking about 03:02:12 those people are the worst 03:03:02 let me just check wikipedia, that's infallible 03:04:22 "causing almost all life on Earth to go extinct.[dubious – discuss][5]" checks out 03:05:35 lol 03:05:37 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:06:51 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 03:07:45 from the talk page "The abstract of the paywalled source does not say rise in O2 caused extinctions. Rather, it notes that an extinction is observed in the fossil record, and suggests that hiccups in phosphorous availability was to blame." 03:14:02 okay 03:14:10 well maybe i'm wrong 03:16:32 -!- FreeFull has quit. 03:18:04 [[Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67115&oldid=67102 * Quadril-Is * (+68) /* Hello, world! */ 03:18:21 [[Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67116&oldid=67115 * Quadril-Is * (-205) /* Cat program */ 03:18:34 [[Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67117&oldid=67116 * Quadril-Is * (-225) /* Truth-machine */ 03:22:00 kmc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Great_Oxidation_Event#What_exactly_was_the_"catastrophe"_? 03:22:56 with a bit of crank near the end 03:23:21 interesting 03:23:24 thank you for informing 03:25:33 and later they changed the article title not to contain "catastrophe" 03:25:44 [[Talk:Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67118&oldid=67096 * Quadril-Is * (+22) 03:26:00 [[Talk:Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67119&oldid=67118 * Quadril-Is * (+95) 03:40:18 [[Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67120&oldid=67117 * Quadril-Is * (+269) /* Cat program */ 03:54:12 [[Ecstatic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67121&oldid=39853 * Quadril-Is * (+81) /* truth machien */ 04:01:34 [[User:Quadril-Is]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67122&oldid=67113 * Quadril-Is * (+131) 04:01:53 [[User:Quadril-Is]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67123&oldid=67122 * Quadril-Is * (+14) /* My esolangs */ 04:06:52 How to improve the keyboard speed in DOSBOX? Also, how to capture the printer output in DOSBOX? Also, the BASIC code "IF VAL("1") = 1" is false when running in DOSBOX (but true on an actual DOS computer); why is that? (If I change it to "IF CINT(VAL("1")) = 1" then it works, though.) 04:16:34 (I only want to capture the data written to LPT1, and not try to interpret it at all.) 04:18:22 I wonder if there is some way of using TSR to do that 04:28:47 [[Quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67124&oldid=66690 * Quadril-Is * (+118) /* How to write quines */ corrected what quinify actually does 04:42:01 [[Whitespace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67125&oldid=67120 * Quadril-Is * (+4) /* Truth-machine */ 05:07:42 Do you know why VAL does that in DOSBOX? 05:13:38 I found out that for key codes, what I could do is in the program that reads them, use INP(96) instead of INKEY$ to read the keyboard during the main game loop (but use still using INKEY$ in menus, and when requesting text entry). It seems that INP(96) sometimes returns 224 instead of the scancode, but that isn't a problem since we can just save the previous scan code and use it if 224 is returned. 05:14:22 [[Quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67126&oldid=67124 * Quadril-Is * (-43) /* How to write quines */ 05:17:03 zzo38: I don't know 05:17:06 is that in QBASIC? 05:17:41 [[User:Quadril-Is/secretpagebyquadrilspipp]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67127 * Quadril-Is * (+2) Created page with "hi" 05:19:40 kmc: Yes 05:20:19 zzo38: how did you discover that? 05:21:00 I found that port 96 is the keyboard input, and then I tried and saw what happens 05:22:23 I now found that there are a few other programs using "POKE &H41A, PEEK(&H41C)" to clear the keyboard buffer, although I figured it out just by examining memory dumps 05:23:33 (To clear the keyboard buffer in this way, you will need "DEF SEG = 0" at first, unless segment 0 is already selected, which it might be if you want to read the shift states with PEEK(&H417).) 05:25:00 how did you discover the thing about VAL, i mean 05:25:37 By trying it in DOSBOX. Entering a subtraction command shows that there is a difference of approx. 2e-16, which is why it does not compare as equal. 05:25:58 But on a real DOS computer my program worked; I had to change it to work on the emulator. 05:28:10 Do you know why it does that? I don't know why, but at least I know how to fix it 05:29:26 I don't know if that is also what causes some other programs to fail? 05:30:05 so it's a floating point thing? 05:30:38 i think there is a way to attach gdb to dosbox 05:30:43 so you could step through the relevant code 05:30:54 i have also used a freeware version of IDA to reverse engineer DOS programs 05:31:03 Yes, it seems like something to do with floating point 05:32:28 maybe DOSBox does not properly emulate the weird 80-bit x87 floats 05:32:44 i'd be surprised though. dosbox is pretty mature software 05:32:56 and is used to run all kinds of dos programs 05:43:17 I also found that in DOSBOX the functions to adjust the date/time do not work; it is just ignored, and then retrieving the date/time returns the actual date/time instead. 05:43:52 I once tried some program I found to try to capture printer output, but it just caused DOSBOX to crash. 05:44:35 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:45:51 But I think there would probably be some way to make it work, if the programs use the DOS function calls to make printer output rather than direct I/O. 05:48:19 yaeh 05:48:20 yeah 05:48:26 a TSR should work in that case 05:53:34 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:02:00 `5 \' 06:02:07 1/2:31) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 492) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell \ 453) software patents strike again that's got to be at least three times, now are they out yet? \ 881) i fell in love with the first gimmick twitter 06:02:11 `n 06:02:12 2/2: account that i met who could appreciate georges bataille \ 266) elliott: well what i would do if i were omniscient and omnipotent would be to create an immortal woman with perfect tits and bang her for the rest of eternity 06:04:10 int-e: `5 and the like actually default to quote 06:04:14 `5 06:04:16 1/2:481) I keep asking random people for "friendship " and it's crippling \ 202) I need a new desktop background j-invariant: Try http://codu.org/spinners.png (tiled) uhrghoaudp \ 1217) listen. listen. jesus has saved me from talking about undefined behaviour in C with you any more, and He could save you too. \ 121) i think of languages as tools, there is no holy 06:06:09 `n 06:06:10 2/2:grail of languages even if there's no holy grail, that doesn't mean cups of crap is ok \ 847) Yes I am native English speaker, but it is Canadian English, not British English. 06:16:48 [[Unsquare]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67128 * Quadril-Is * (+1171) Created page with "'''Unsquare''' was named after Dave Brubeck's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yExwkQYcp0 Unsquare Dance]. Unsquare Dance is unusual in rhythm, and so is the esolang. ==Instr..." 06:24:40 [[Unsquare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67129&oldid=67128 * Quadril-Is * (+41) /* Instructions */ 06:25:03 [[Unsquare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67130&oldid=67129 * Quadril-Is * (+44) /* Hello, world! */ 06:25:25 [[Unsquare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67131&oldid=67130 * Quadril-Is * (-1) /* Hello, world! */ 06:28:05 [[Unsquare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67132&oldid=67131 * Quadril-Is * (+52) /* Instructions */ 06:32:15 [[Unsquare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67133&oldid=67132 * Quadril-Is * (+35) /* Cat program */ 06:34:17 [[User:Quadril-Is]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67134&oldid=67123 * Quadril-Is * (+38) 06:50:31 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:52:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:01:36 -!- xkapastel has joined. 07:11:24 Have you figured the computational class of EsoPost and how to convert programs to/from it? 07:12:56 I think there are some similarities to 7, but also differences. There is a data stack, a bit like frame in 7, although unlike in 7 you can also hold lists of commands. 07:14:35 A difference is that unlike 7 where the passive commands push the corresponding active commands, in EsoPost the passive commands push themself instead, and a separate command makes them active. 07:35:19 [[EsoPost]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67135&oldid=67072 * Zzo38 * (+1141) EsoPost II variant, and some more explanations and category 07:37:39 zzo38: have you tried running qbasic in bochs instead of dosbox? I used bochs to run DOS programs, and found that it works quite well for all old programs. (not so well for some newer games.) 07:38:05 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 07:38:23 b_jonas: No, I don't have bochs in my computer 07:38:35 I don't think I tried VAL("1") = 1 in particular 07:39:19 You can try typing that (with a question mark at first) in the immediate window to see what happens. 07:40:08 I don't have that set up now either 07:40:10 sorry 07:40:14 OK 07:40:15 bochs that is 07:40:33 that was back when I had the termbot experiment, that one ran DOS in bochs 07:46:16 [[EsoPost]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67136&oldid=67135 * Zzo38 * (+275) 07:49:20 [[EsoPost]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67137&oldid=67136 * Zzo38 * (+4) 07:54:37 [[EsoPost]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67138&oldid=67137 * Zzo38 * (+18) 08:47:31 Do you like ZZ Zero? 08:49:22 Now I implemented dark rooms, and also some other stuff, too 08:50:15 There is the option to use Chebyshev or Manhattan for torch light radius. 08:58:34 [[Unsquare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67139&oldid=67133 * Quadril-Is * (+24) 09:00:55 [[Unsquare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67140&oldid=67139 * Quadril-Is * (+24) /* Truth-machine */ 09:01:51 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67141&oldid=67089 * Quadril-Is * (+15) /* U */ 09:25:51 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:37:04 -!- rodgort has joined. 09:52:47 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 09:53:38 ``asmbf lbl 1/in_ r1/jz_ r1, 0/out r1/jmp 1 09:53:38 /srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `asmbf: not found 09:53:53 `asmbf lbl 1/in_ r1/jz_ r1, 0/out r1/jmp 1 09:53:53 +>+[>>>+<<+<<[>>->+<<<-]>>>[<<<+>>>-]<[->+<<[>>>-<<+<-]>[<+>-]>>[<->[-]]<[<<<+>>>-]<]>>[-]<<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>,>>>><<<<<<+>>[<<[-]<+>>>-]<<<[>>>+<<<-]>[<<<[-]>[-]>>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<<+>+>>>>>>>-]<<<<<<<[>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<-]>[-]]>>>>>>[-]<<<<<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>.>>>>+<<<<<<<<<[-]>[-]>>>>>>>>[<<<<<<<<+>+>>>>>>>-]<<<<<<<[>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>[-]<<<<<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<] 10:31:12 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Quit). 10:31:37 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 10:31:53 I wonder 10:32:09 should I create an article about my brainfuck toolchain on the wiki? 10:40:38 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:43:34 hi 10:48:03 Hi 10:55:52 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:11:36 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:13:19 -!- LKoen has joined. 11:39:16 kspalaiologos: that might help. the asmbf language you input probably counts as an esolang as well, unless you use it for something more practical than writing bf programs 11:39:58 well, unironically I saw a casino using brainfuck just to "secure their stuff" 11:40:04 so it might be practical to use it :p 11:40:16 it's something like Gregor's C2BF 11:40:23 but... kinda better 11:41:02 wait, what 11:42:35 a small digital jewel safe :p 11:44:10 i don't get how you secure anything by using bf. i mean, even if you couldn't reverse engineer what it does, you could just use it? 11:49:13 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 12:00:34 what? 12:00:52 do you have a link about that? 12:01:10 or is this a top secret thing that you saw when you broke into their system to get a jackpot so you can't tell us about it 12:11:49 DMM reports that the Irregular Webcomic forums are down and he can't easily bring them up. We'll have to make some replacement somehow, because those forums are too useful. Luckily I downloaded much of the forum content recently, but hosting and moderating a forum is the hard part. 12:12:16 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:13:45 just google it 12:13:54 i remember the thread popping up on mazonkas' brainfuck computer 12:14:08 on HackerNews obviously 12:17:57 -!- FreeFull has joined. 12:20:30 kspalaiologos: so they're the ones paying you to write the brainfuck disassembler, because they don't have the source code? 12:20:40 haha 12:21:12 I wish someone paid me for that 12:21:36 writing unit tests in brainfuck 12:21:39 going to love that 12:21:54 I need a memory manager tho 12:22:03 I've been scratching my head for good three days 12:22:15 thought about singly linked list, doubly linked list 12:22:32 but the general problem is, I expect big amount of allocations and small block size 12:22:54 so linked list is going to kill the performance a tiny bit 12:23:24 and the global storage won't work 12:23:26 obviously 12:23:45 because small chunk size = a lot of allocation = many entries = need to reserve a lot of space = shitty performance 12:34:30 i believe xored lists you save some space, and easily relocatable, at expense of more complexity. i only say that because might be something space-saving is apropos 12:34:48 (apologies if you are well aware, i dont see them really "taught" but they are simple) 12:35:24 xored lists? 12:35:46 see google/wikipedia/whatever xored linked list. there is probably surely better, im just saying might be a good fit 12:35:47 if this involves xor operation, it's quite hard to implement 12:36:02 well, ive been looking for long time somewhere they would be apropos 12:36:05 because my assembler doesn't quite support XOR 12:36:07 so i am biased towards "want to use" 12:36:47 it's a cool idea, 12:37:03 but #1: it involves bitwise xor - hard to implement in arithmetic-only assembly 12:37:27 but #2: it doesn't solve entirity of problems with doubly linked list 13:04:48 kspalaiologos: you can do xor lists with subtraction (modulo word size) just fine. you just have to get the signs right. not that I specifically endorse xor lists, or working in brainfuck, etc. 13:04:53 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 13:05:05 lol 13:05:11 well it 13:05:14 's tough stuff 13:05:36 to use a subtraction/xor list 13:05:46 I need to improve my algorithm so it keeps track of multiple nodes a time 13:05:56 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:06:03 it's going to take AGES of execution 13:09:32 and by the way, segment adressing is live https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/asmbf/releases/tag/v1.1.3 13:11:09 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:12:59 -!- arseniiv has joined. 13:14:01 xor lists are introduced in TAOCP 2.2.5 exercise 18 (this is odd, because that's before doubly linked lists are introduced), and its solution explicitly says that addition and subtraction modulo field size works too 13:14:09 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:32:44 -!- atslash has joined. 13:36:22 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:37:58 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:38:20 -!- atslash has joined. 13:39:04 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:50:54 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:51:54 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:55:20 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:57:56 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:59:28 -!- atslash has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:59:41 -!- atslash has joined. 14:15:23 -!- YamTok has joined. 14:15:29 Quick help! 14:16:06 I have ever wondered editing articles about esolangs with archived webpage's descriptions, such as L33t, and so on. 14:16:36 But first of all anyone knows policy of the wiki? 14:17:49 For example am I allowed to copy and paste (in pretty format) what official page of L33t says to <>? 14:18:12 I mean, bringing its specifications, e.g. commands, back. 14:18:49 Umm, I have to leave now becaus eI gotta go to bed. 14:19:19 Anyone replying to me, I'd like you to reply on my talk page so I can also see your replies. 14:19:30 <> 14:19:34 Goodnight. 14:19:38 -!- YamTok has left. 14:27:24 [[User talk:YamTokTpaFa]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67142 * Fizzie * (+750) /* Policies */ new section 14:49:04 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:51:49 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 15:02:48 oh gosh 15:02:49 I 15:03:01 've been working on the Malbolge interpreter in Brainfuck 15:03:06 using my asm2bf with a few addons 15:03:19 It' 15:03:23 s worse than a painful suicide 15:13:19 maybe it's time to move on 15:14:18 yeah 15:14:21 I'll let it be 15:14:33 somebody eventually will get interested in it and fix it 15:14:35 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * DiamondKoopa * New user account 15:51:20 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Planet * New user account 15:52:47 Just so you know, I'm eyeing upgrading MediaWiki to a post-1.31 version, it might have some user-visible changes. In particular, the (non-default) CologneBlue and Modern skins are no longer shipped with MediaWiki; if I did the database right, 4 and 10 users have those explicitly enabled, respectively. 15:55:29 to be honest 15:55:32 it looks really cool 15:56:39 upgrades? nice! 15:57:56 Well, first I'll need to finally upgrade from stretch to buster. (I mean, that's not literally a dependency, I just want to do them in that order.) 15:59:03 my government's websites run ten years old apache 15:59:17 c'mon even esoteric language wiki's better 15:59:50 the problem could be, people maintaining government-related websites earn ~500$ a month 16:00:53 fizzie: upgrading from stretch to buster is even better 16:01:01 fizzie: does that upgrade HackEso too? 16:01:12 the inside of HackEso that is, the virtual environment in which commands run 16:01:25 Not automatically, but I'll upgrade the container too. 16:01:35 It's probably a lot more straight-forward, because there isn't really much running in it. 16:01:46 sure 16:04:15 fizzie: also, can you install the package libdate-manip-perl inside fungot so I can do date subtractions conveniently? 16:04:15 b_jonas: probably what i'm thinking today about token based languages rather than english from time to time. 16:04:19 um 16:04:23 inside HackEso I mean 16:04:27 sorry, fungot 16:04:27 b_jonas: so everything's a bit hazy on the details of the underlying language for now, if i wanted 16:04:36 Yes, for HackEso. For fungot, I think that'd be a little challenging. 16:04:36 fizzie: i thought it sounded familiar. together they don't ring a bell?! i just wrote 16:04:47 thanks 16:05:14 this bot in befunge 16:05:17 it's amazing 16:06:31 ^show 16:06:31 echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf 16:06:47 how can one invoke the command 16:06:49 fungot, fib 16:06:49 kspalaiologos: rosemary's baby is by far the most badass character in the field, the " current", and then 16:06:55 ^fib 16:06:55 0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55.89.144.233.377.610.987.1597.2584.4181.6765.10946.17711.28657.46368.75025.121393.196418.317811.514229.832040.1346269.2178309.3524578.5702887.9227465.14930352.24157817.39088169.632459 ... 16:06:59 a ha! 16:07:06 ^show fib 16:07:06 >+10>+>+[[+5[>+8<-]>.<+6[>-8<-]+<3]>.>>[[-]<[>+<-]>>[<2+>+>-]<[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>+<-[>[-]>+>+<3-[>+<-]]]]]]]]]]]+>>>]<3][] 16:07:19 postfix RLE brainfuck? 16:07:31 Yes, with a bug that runs of >s were not RLE'd. 16:07:54 why not prefix tho 16:07:58 postfix notation is confusing 16:08:11 I guess. FWIW, it doesn't actually support that format as input. 16:08:18 It's just that ^show prints the internal representation. 16:08:19 fungot, I'm quite sure Rosemary didn't have a baby 16:08:19 b_jonas: ( dump " fred" " plugh" " xyzzy" " fnord" " 42") " b" 16:08:44 kspalaiologos: because bfjoust has standardized postfix, so using postfix now would be confusing 16:08:53 in fact I think people were using postfix even before bfjoust 16:08:55 bfjoust? 16:08:58 what is this 16:09:00 see the wiki 16:09:30 Well, bfjoust also uses operators for the encoding. 16:09:33