< 1578787838 322957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it works better if you ask specific questions or hints < 1578787855 826135 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell what you're stuck with or what doesn't work < 1578787900 11495 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired not going to solve it now < 1578787910 663729 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to take a rest < 1578787927 739311 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you today but around twelve < 1578788281 141400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1578788523 560402 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1578788822 259331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to minimize dependencies of TeXnicard; it already uses SQLite, Ghostscript, and PCRE; so if I add further dependencies I should add ones which are already used by Ghostscript, if possible, I think. < 1578789481 808978 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578790104 905428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to support PK format fonts in TeXnicard, and it seem that FreeType doesn't implement that format. Well, I can implement my own; I have done it before. < 1578791007 439939 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1578791598 480940 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 PART :#esoteric < 1578793233 697448 :nico_nico!~khais@arennes-653-1-281-34.w109-218.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1578793314 709753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68804&oldid=67931 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-125) 10 > 1578793335 589525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68805&oldid=68804 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+4) 10 < 1578793501 722562 :nico_nico!~khais@arennes-653-1-281-34.w109-218.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Client Quit > 1578795487 664154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NewFuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68806 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+415) 10Created page with "NewFuck is another brainfuck derivative. The operations changes everytime you make a new project. == Possible operations == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Brainfuck operation !! Po..." > 1578795551 245231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NewFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68807&oldid=68806 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+1) 10 > 1578796006 593228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NewFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68808&oldid=68807 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+463) 10 < 1578797692 882120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1578798642 961474 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578798698 543436 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1578798723 706139 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1578799062 44969 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1578799211 884919 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1578803468 87356 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1578803643 503988 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1578803707 81086 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1578803868 541233 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjfplgguyhwfrwhh QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1578803952 255544 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-apqsvjolfweynnfw JOIN :#esoteric < 1578804050 884150 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1578804465 180460 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a brainfuck variant which allows direct system calls? < 1578804488 884218 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example say the ! command executes a syscall where the syscall number and arguments are given by the value under the head and the next six < 1578804493 390817 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and puts the return value under the head < 1578804524 264171 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be actually useful you would also need a way to get real machine-level pointers to brainfuck cells, or some other way to use syscalls which have pointer arguments < 1578804700 572775 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just say that the address of the first memory cell is in the first memory cell when the program starts < 1578804705 283872 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1578805133 330855 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could translate 0 into a pointer to the first cell, 1 into a pointer to the second, and so on < 1578805156 459774 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that some arguments are pointers and some aren't < 1578805164 415006 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would need to know about each syscall in that case < 1578805177 928210 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there may even be cases where it could be a pointer or not according to the semantics of the call < 1578805191 381920 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the interpreter would have to know about the syscalls anyway < 1578805217 230045 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1578805260 855779 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it knows how many inputs to take and how many outputs to provide. Unless you always have it do 6 arguments and ignore the extra ones < 1578805282 951322 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1578805288 194123 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on linux anyway, I think it will work fine that way < 1578805321 547912 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syscall ABI is pretty simple < 1578805325 68787 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'd need some way to deal with structs < 1578805369 445458 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the brainfuck code would need to manually construct the appropriate struct layout on the stack < 1578805372 541225 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then get a pointer to it < 1578805375 307213 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/stack/tape/ < 1578805390 527544 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a pain in the ass but < 1578805394 106740 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is esoprogramming < 1578805576 774088 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a _good_ alternative to syscalls, anyway. < 1578805777 784448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use calls for some kind of VM. I invented (but did not implement) a way to use Glk with Befunge, for example. < 1578806134 704000 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Glk? < 1578806333 39318 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1578806369 917837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a API for setting up text windows for I/O especially in text adventure games. It also supports displaying pictures, sounds, music, file I/O, and date/time. < 1578806795 554553 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, cool < 1578806797 44091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a C API, although there is also a dispatch layer which uses a standardized format for arguments and uses numbers to identify each function (although a few functions cannot be dispatched, including the dispatching function itself). < 1578807160 848265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glulx is a VM which is mainly used with Glk (although the design allows implementations to be made with other I/O systems too), but also has some other functions included, such as the ability to save the entire VM memory and stack to a file, and built-in instructions for searching (linear, binary, or linked). < 1578807518 775252 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1578807857 483772 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zosmjjeetmjkfobr JOIN :#esoteric < 1578819781 911734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now loading font metric files is implemented in TeXnicard. < 1578819997 200723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be useful to add some extensions beyond what TeX uses, such as a margin character (like the boundary character it is not displayed; it can be used in kerning for hanging punctuation). Possibly some others too, but I don't know which ones. Possibly a table of accented characters, and maybe large character set support, maybe < 1578822153 466162 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578822252 540182 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up for tasks > 1578822276 301271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Hakerh400 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Quine common program structure.png10]]": Quine - common program structure < 1578822279 686315 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to solve the last one < 1578822335 575530 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ s < 1578822336 341839 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 < 1578822341 620176 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1578822343 386410 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this < 1578822344 610195 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ set < 1578822345 384945 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: |value error: set < 1578822685 245010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What task is that you will need to solve? < 1578822844 606629 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, can you look at #jsoftware and help me? < 1578822854 936377 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :split the vector into three element lists < 1578822857 287186 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply them < 1578822860 34623 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put it in another list < 1578823901 374245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recovering Cards {3} Instant ;; Put target non-basic non-creature non-planeswalker non-Equipment non-Vehicle card from your graveyard on top of your library. ;; Retrace ;; Cycling {3} < 1578826205 790023 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1578826323 267083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this < 1578826328 981213 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this. < 1578826333 70266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1578826709 744617 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1578827471 838207 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zosmjjeetmjkfobr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1578827853 552825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1578828196 397896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? that < 1578828197 565025 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1578828204 364912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good. < 1578828790 653574 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1578829038 494343 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578831775 464316 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578831800 714702 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 PART :#esoteric > 1578834499 363105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:*berlinquin14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68810 5* 03Hex96 5* (+101) 10Created page with "hello! ~~~~" < 1578835162 438942 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rzdqpsedxpdjwyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1578835682 35830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Taneb actually Tony Hawk? < 1578835715 550531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because they both start with "T", I don't think that's enough evidence. < 1578836022 390449 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1578836122 197098 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why do you ask? < 1578836203 364991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they saw you do some sick [INSERT SKATEBOARDING TERMINLOGOY]s. < 1578837422 888238 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578837456 670364 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 PART :#esoteric < 1578838148 286662 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1578838338 589019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I was watching GDQ and it has a skateboarding game that has a cutscene that shows a likeness of Tony Hawk < 1578838356 396609 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably connected it to you because of that list < 1578838374 306159 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat wisdom/*people*taneb* < 1578838375 645114 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: 'wisdom/*people*taneb*': No such file or directory < 1578838377 779485 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1578838381 597371 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat wisdom/*taneb*not* < 1578838382 753049 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: 'wisdom/*taneb*not*': No such file or directory < 1578838387 331533 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1578838395 953370 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat /hackenv/wisdom/*taneb*not* < 1578838396 765110 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond, Queen Elizabeth the first, or anyone older than Queen Elizabeth the Second. Pending approval: Shigeru Miyamoto. < 1578838398 849280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1578838404 567758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that list < 1578838700 139675 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I am not Tony Hawk, I can't even skateboard < 1578839823 687471 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1578839839 732344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mystery thickens, who is Taneb then? < 1578839860 755547 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1578840883 623574 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one person be different people simultaneously? < 1578841764 301374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dokalf < 1578841765 616996 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :dokalf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1578841915 375029 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578842001 775144 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1578842088 842443 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1578843071 851832 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rzdqpsedxpdjwyre QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1578844021 91739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think quite often these things turn out to have been some sort of a collective, like Nicolas Bourbaki. < 1578844055 249108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which things? Taneb? or Tony Hawk? < 1578844077 436427 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a rabbi? or Queen Elizabeth the Second? that would explain how she reigns for so long. < 1578844095 860215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of Taneb, but maybe some of those others too. < 1578844142 387131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tony Hawk can't be a very large collective since he fits on a single skateboard and in a single helmet < 1578844770 333709 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was a collective I'd probably be more active < 1578844811 720089 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe you're a collective representing a secret organization, which is why you're not too active? < 1578844832 808640 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I do not think that quite works out < 1578844879 581396 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball is Taneb James Bond? < 1578844880 505674 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may rely on it. < 1578844918 755249 :kingoffrance!~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not a bad fortune, you can work with that < 1578845027 180541 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: ok, that's a better guess, because many people think that James Bond is a collective, or an inheritable title < 1578845854 538338 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused < 1578845863 430554 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what just happened < 1578845863 707793 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: the variable " foobar" < 1578848430 222171 :zoobab!zoobab@vic.ffii.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 6 < 1578848927 500498 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1578853693 530088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one program has the following license terms: This program is free and open source under the MIT license. Additionally, any discordian pope may automatically grant themselves a license under the WTFPL, as desired. < 1578854116 572534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since WTFPL allows any relicensing, and since there are many discordian popes ("every man, woman and child on this Earth is a genuine and authorized pope"), it probably means it's not hard to get a copy of that program under any other license either. < 1578854695 400344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Taneb a discordian pope? < 1578855022 932022 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume so < 1578855027 149239 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's opt-out < 1578855352 212703 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't knowingly opted out < 1578855363 298731 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who isn"t? < 1578855385 298310 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, I haven't knowingly opted out of any other sort of papity < 1578855471 65362 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of them are opt-in < 1578855483 397942 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not sure if there is a formal procedure to opt out of Discordianism popehood < 1578855511 464922 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I did that and became a mome instead < 1578855524 412463 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the official card in my wallet for a long time < 1578855533 802548 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with a card listing the axioms of ZFC in Metamath notation < 1578855545 681063 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which also included propositional and predicate logic on the backside as a prerequisite) < 1578855547 929065 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (pred . pred) "pope" < 1578855550 244266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "nmnc" < 1578855551 519169 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be such a nerd < 1578855554 541937 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still am, but I used to, too < 1578855621 582230 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was around the time of my GEB phase < 1578855625 384108 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has a GEB phase, right? < 1578855764 853893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remind me < 1578855769 839540 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, you need to opt-in to discordianism, or you don't > 1578855854 896671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UnoScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68811 5* 03*berlinquin 5* (+2508) 10Created page with "'''UnoScript''' is a stack-based, interpreted language inspired by the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uno_(card_game) UNO card game]. It aims to be as general-purpose and usab..." > 1578856385 232498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UnoScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68812&oldid=68811 5* 03*berlinquin 5* (+99) 10Add categories > 1578856493 241830 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68813&oldid=68716 5* 03*berlinquin 5* (+16) 10/* U */ < 1578856898 577630 :stux!stux@cosmo.lunarshells.com QUIT :Quit: Aloha! < 1578856919 300880 :stux!stux@2a01:270:2050:1337::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578857609 973997 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes. and a Smullyan phase too. the Smullyan phase lasts longer. < 1578857856 337812 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smullyan is cool < 1578857866 853863 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still think GEB is a good book, it's just that the speculative parts are... quite speculative < 1578857869 712386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was, sadly < 1578857878 724788 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting but it doesn't explain everything about the world like I thought it did when I was 16 < 1578857905 93542 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the part which teaches metamathematics is both accessable and precise. it's not dumbed down < 1578858040 149091 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone has a GEB phase, right? => mmmaybe. My one was pretty shallow and maybe not a phase at all. I was even lazy to solve any question from there as I was more or less learned on logic and lazy in general. I read the book, found stories amusing, took something from the dual part but I suppose not at a face value. Complex questions have complex answers, would I expect different even some eight (I think?) years ago?.. < 1578858093 128483 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Smullyan phase should be cooler maybe yes maybe definitely but I hadn’t read his books at the right time, only various excerpts < 1578858111 966979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I still think GEB is a good book, it's just that the speculative parts are... quite speculative => nailed it < 1578858508 354437 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d like an accessible book on spinors and some simplified quantum-theoretical things, but essentially they should be quite separable. Spinors are interesting in their own way, and in a sense they are even applicable to rare mundane problems, though their transformations, i. e. spin groups (and there are sometimes miscommunication in people occasionally calling elements of a spin group, a spinor, which it isn’t), as I was to say, spin groups are m < 1578858508 475094 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ore applicable as they act on vectors too and quaternions in rotating 3D are precisely the 3-dimensional spin group, as are complex numbers a 2D one and split-quaternions a 4D one etc. etc. clifford algebras blah blah < 1578858573 540106 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : along with a card listing the axioms of ZFC in Metamath notation => whyy? < 1578858629 821103 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1578858994 223421 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1578859299 757081 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable! < 1578859404 268371 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Yay, the moment your program has been running for half an hour and you realise you forgot to compile it with optimizations enabled ) < 1578859435 244835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was supposed to finish in 15 minutes ;) ) < 1578859941 859724 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D rofoldl < 1578860393 107763 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1578861151 273517 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578862170 860546 :stux!stux@2a01:270:2050:1337::1 QUIT :Quit: Aloha! < 1578862638 702278 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1578862698 292972 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1578862733 225818 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1578862948 495054 :stux!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1578864792 304190 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1578865409 717659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such intuitive code... http://paste.debian.net/1125756/ < 1578865816 894353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I should use one more variable rather than using the second half of one of those registers. < 1578866005 858298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's also so much faster than the naive code it replaced, a factor of 30 for what I've been doing.) < 1578866031 683219 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE, fun < 1578866057 58199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fortunately I don't have to worry about portability :) ) < 1578866081 488765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :requirement: "runs on my PC" < 1578866118 830219 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :) > 1578866292 418120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NewFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68814&oldid=68808 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+96) 10 < 1578866423 465099 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578866617 440411 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my way to handle portability is to just make it give a reasonable compile time #error when there's no implementation for how you're compiling < 1578866638 331275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if that's hard, a runtime error with a reasonable message < 1578866827 815468 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also not hard to use that gcc feature I forgot the name of < 1578866839 341646 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which selects between multiple versions of a function at load time < 1578866845 960084 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on cpu flags < 1578866851 189214 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be more of a glibc feature, but anyway < 1578866859 873894 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to have a portable fallback anyway for testing < 1578866881 333530 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does introduce a function pointer indirection though < 1578866889 270430 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the same thing with dynamic code patching but that's more complicated < 1578867037 550363 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1578867048 278180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'GNU indirect functions are an extension of ELF that allows you to make a decision about which implementation of a function to use at [dynamic] link time.' < 1578867069 555311 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1578867080 514655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know what it was called either but I did come across the concept at some point. < 1578867269 33267 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sure but you usually don't want to actualy write the other implementation < 1578867312 512286 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like int-e already did < 1578867324 130311 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically you would do a portable version first, then the optimized < 1578867326 779060 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it's good to have a reference implementation anyway < 1578867329 248277 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for testing < 1578867341 432476 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't. I would do premature optimization. whether it's a part I need to optimize or not. < 1578867344 433304 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have both then it's very easy to test the fancy vector code just by throwing random inputs and comparing outputs < 1578867347 538133 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1578867350 869725 :stux!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1578867359 800786 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of that the portable code is probably easier to read if someone wants to understand what's going on < 1578867367 535608 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't have to be fast at all, it can be very clear < 1578867374 482708 :stux!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1578867414 325571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's still around as a reference implementation anyway < 1578867537 329658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is deliberately simple and not efficient, even for processors without fancy carryless multiplication instructions: http://paste.debian.net/1125758/ (and still not quite portable; it's missing the UINT64_C thingy) < 1578867734 993412 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't uint64_t standard in C99 and later? < 1578867744 178365 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this code for? < 1578867759 825384 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: UINT64_C is the macro for making a uint64_t literal. < 1578867764 709102 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1578867778 575288 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it something like #define UINT64_C(x) x ## ull < 1578867779 58121 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1578867787 908013 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never knew that was needed < 1578867788 106507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can't really know whether the suffix should be empty, ul or ull... < 1578867791 707711 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1578867794 841402 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for C :eyeroll: < 1578867806 529795 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to ask if you need a ull actually < 1578867818 183785 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :better put ullllll just in case < 1578867830 564263 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/empty/U/ (those are capital, aren't they? < 1578867840 339906 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1578867841 236642 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1578867859 926759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UINT64_C makes a uint_least64_t constant, actually. < 1578867872 161338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always found that a little odd, but that's how it is. < 1578867874 950205 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough? < 1578867881 981369 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could cast it < 1578867891 705130 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are corner cases where that becomes an issue. < 1578867903 4996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's mostly because uint64_t isn't required to exist. < 1578867910 229427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But uint_least64_t is. < 1578867914 644706 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really < 1578867917 44161 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1578867937 355819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's required to be defined, but only if the implementation provides a suitable type. < 1578868010 739407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C18 7.20.1.1 Exact-width integer types: "These types are optional. However, if an implementation provides integer types with widths of 8, 16, 32, or 64 bits, no padding bits, and (for the signed types) that have a two's complement representation, it shall define the corresponding typedef names." < 1578868136 424255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that sounds like C. < 1578868188 281119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure what UINT64_C and friends are for, I guess they're just supposed to look nicer than the corresponding cast. < 1578868188 281166 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1578868231 338171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does POSIX amend this? < 1578868245 848598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think POSIX might require 8, 16, 32 and 64, yes. < 1578868289 148091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh. Actually, only 8, 16 and 32. < 1578868351 732358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/stdint.h.html "[CX] The following types are required: int8_t, int16_t, int32_t, uint8_t, uint16_t, uint32_t. If an implementation provides integer types with width 64 that meet these requirements, then the following types are required: int64_t, uint64_t" < 1578868399 251021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems sane enough, honestly... 32 bit platforms are not that long gone, probably still lingering in may corners :) < 1578868406 641025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*many < 1578868416 657140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, uint_least64_t and uint_fast64_t are still mandatory. < 1578868435 215925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that is strange :) < 1578868468 422099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( diverging realities are fun ) < 1578868501 125910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe the reasoning was, the implementation might have to do something weird to support at-least-64-bit types, and might have a harder time providing the exact-width type. < 1578868521 530795 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the Intel 8051 8-bit architecture from 1980 is still around < 1578868529 833728 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah 32 bit is still common < 1578868545 114543 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 bit is only starting to become common in embedded < 1578868562 344279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I suspect POSIX never worried about 8 bit architectures :) < 1578868572 53396 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they do have C compilers < 1578868574 959366 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to varying degrees < 1578868579 464900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 bit though, hmm. Tricky :) < 1578868593 408966 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PIC XC8 compiler has a "short long" type :) < 1578868614 332050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a 24-bit type? < 1578868616 596181 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1578868627 927866 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1578868630 366063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, C accomodates all sorts of niches, which goes a long way towards explaining their reluctance to mandate types. I'm really surprised to hear about uint_least64_t being madatory. < 1578868644 23891 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :avr-gcc has it too, but calls it something sensible: __uint24 < 1578868672 403269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose short long isn't worse than long double. < 1578868679 400749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Motorola DSP56K C compiler has a 24-bit 'int' and a 48-bit 'long'. < 1578868680 448549 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is more principled than most embedded compilers about how it handles extensions, syntactically < 1578868681 145990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(intel's 10 byte version) < 1578868688 762876 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah < 1578868689 728362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a 24-bit 'char' as well.) < 1578868693 301144 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it 128 bit on ppc? < 1578868697 516873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now mostly extinct because of SSE) < 1578868802 222036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GCC on PPC did the double-double trick for long double. < 1578868840 598387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1578868879 996885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where your extended-precision type is actually just two double-precision floats, organized so that you get about the same range as a regular double, but more or less double the precision. < 1578868886 787463 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC Knuth covers this topic but I skipped that part.) < 1578868998 449340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about that some day but wasn’t very sharp to think it in any detail < 1578869092 924495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about GNU indirect functions. < 1578869207 334610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: the typing of (non-U-suffixed) octal/hexadecimal literals is different than those of decimal constants. On (e.g.) x86-64, 0x80000000 is an `unsigned int`, while 2147483648 is a `long`. < 1578869263 709262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ideone.com/aLGNHI as a corollary. < 1578869266 606179 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1578869321 181129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that either; why is that? Isn't there a U and L suffix so that you can use that to indicate it? < 1578869350 221082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 2147483648U would be an unsigned int too. < 1578869386 585260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, you can add a dot if you want a floating number.) < 1578869391 813549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way it works, the type (decimal, vs. octal/hexadecimal) and suffix (none, U, L, UL, LL, ULL) determine the possible list of types, and then the constant gets the first type on the list that it can be represented in. < 1578869439 709326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`int`, `long` and `long long` is the list for unsuffixed decimal, but the list for unsuffixed octal/hexadecimal is `int`, `unsigned`, `long`, `unsigned long`, `long long`, `unsigned long long`. < 1578869441 441065 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :int`,? No such file or directory < 1578869447 81736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: Sorry. < 1578869528 873909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is how it works. < 1578869615 165503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official reason is: "Unlike decimal constants, octal and hexadecimal constants too large to be `int`s are typed as `unsigned int` if within range of that type, since it is more likely that they represent bit patterns or masks, which are generally best treated as unsigned, rather than 'real' numbers." < 1578869674 877663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although that still look like strange to me, and even then perhaps it might should depend how many leading zeros too (does it count the leading zeros?) < 1578869736 134281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any (nonzero) amount of leading zeros makes a constant octal, so... kinda? But not really. < 1578869780 917958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.50.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean additional leading zeros for a octal or hexadecimal constant (after the initial 0 or 0x) < 1578869842 978926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. No, those don't matter. < 1578872345 920649 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1578872408 597883 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1578873187 494719 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jajgakohxkxroyuz JOIN :#esoteric