00:18:33 -!- dnm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:18:37 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:18:40 -!- dingwat has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:19:55 -!- dnm has joined. 00:20:00 -!- pikhq has joined. 00:20:18 -!- dingwat has joined. 00:21:52 -!- tromp has joined. 00:24:27 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:25:15 -!- mich181189 has joined. 00:38:53 zzo38: no, none recently. I think less about M:tG than I used to, and don't much follow the newly published cards, and don't much like the changes they made 00:39:41 Which changes do you mean specifically? 00:41:08 question. can you tell me about the state of Linux driver/software support of video cards these days? specifically, if I want to buy a video card into a new computer that I'll use as home desktop with Debian and that has an Intel cpu, but I don't need a particularly expensive or new video card (I care more about the motherboard and memory and cpu), then how do the three brands of video card compare? 00:42:10 I don't know; I purchased the computer I use now with Linux already installed. 00:42:22 zzo38: too many new cards printed each year, and more importantly, too many cards printed or reprinted for supplementary products, with a confusing complexity of supplementary products over the standard-legal setse 00:42:49 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:43:13 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:43:32 -!- mich181189 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:44:22 I don't really care much about whether or not they do that, although if it is confusing which are legal in different formats then it should be corrected to specify what it is clearly 00:44:30 and many cards are increasingly graphically ugly, especially variant and promo reprints, but also just ordinary cards with special frames. the too many different special frames and variants make it confusingly noisy to look at cards. 00:45:40 -!- glowcoil has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:45:56 the flagship of terrible graphic design is of course the Amonkhet Invocations, and the cheaper cards tend to have less of the crazy variants, but still 00:46:14 -!- j4cbo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:46:15 Yes, I don't like the special frames either; I like the old style cards design (from Sixth Edition and older) 00:46:18 I already didn't like the Zendikar full art lands, but there are just more and more of these 00:46:21 planeswalkers and stuff 00:46:27 -!- dog_star has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:47:15 -!- dingwat has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:47:15 -!- dnm has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:48:37 I do prefer the Kamigawa frame than the Urza frame to tell the truth, and I think even the normal version of the M2015 frame is better than the Urza frames, 00:49:11 (I prefer the Kamigawa frame over the M2015 frame mostly because the M2015 title font is ugly) 00:49:47 -!- ^[ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:49:47 but with all the variants they just can't keep a nice uniform clean style 00:50:19 Yes, I do think there are too many special variants 00:50:35 -!- lynn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:51:32 though I admit that the Urza frame artifact textbox with its colorful gems in the background does have a charm 00:56:50 -!- ocharles has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:25:25 -!- ^[ has joined. 01:25:52 -!- ^[ has quit (Excess Flood). 02:01:33 -!- ^[ has joined. 02:01:52 -!- ^[ has quit (Excess Flood). 02:02:08 -!- xelxebar has joined. 02:02:44 -!- sleepnap has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:10:30 -!- tromp_ has joined. 02:14:01 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 02:35:44 -!- FreeFull has quit. 03:07:25 -!- ^[ has joined. 03:09:11 [[Bubbles]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68859&oldid=67741 * IFcoltransG * (+2940) TC proof and mnemonics 03:12:17 -!- ^[ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:15:04 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 03:16:38 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:16:38 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 03:19:21 [[UnoScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68860&oldid=68812 * IFcoltransG * (+40) Added categories 03:27:13 Is there a way to make pclose() to terminate the child process instead of waiting? 03:31:14 -!- sprocklem has joined. 03:32:40 seems like using popen() isn't ideal when you want to kill it. 03:33:14 [[Keta]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68861&oldid=68842 * IFcoltransG * (+0) /* Terminology */ Spelling 03:33:30 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/548063/kill-a-process-started-with-popen 03:38:02 [[Keta]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68862&oldid=68861 * IFcoltransG * (+22) Put examples within one heading 03:40:43 [[Esolang:Community portal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68863&oldid=67394 * IFcoltransG * (+4) /* #Esoteric */ added conjunction 04:22:23 [[Talk:Finite-state mach... wait, WHAT!?]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68864 * IFcoltransG * (+739) Created page with "===TC possibility=== Presumably, you could create a VM based on the brainfuck interpreter that was written in brainfuck, such that every time any command is executed, the VM f..." 04:25:56 [[Psychairefatback]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68865&oldid=68831 * IFcoltransG * (+13) Redirected to the archive of Psychairefatback 04:28:08 -!- dnm has joined. 04:32:47 -!- dnm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:37:10 -!- dnm has joined. 04:49:00 [[Talk:Lazy evaluation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68866&oldid=52934 * IFcoltransG * (+275) 05:05:35 [[Lazy evaluation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68867&oldid=65975 * IFcoltransG * (+827) Rewrote article to make sense (but still following philosophy) 05:05:39 -!- dnm has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:07:46 [[Talk:Lazy evaluation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68868&oldid=68866 * IFcoltransG * (+206) /* Request */ 05:08:06 [[Talk:Lazy evaluation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68869&oldid=68868 * IFcoltransG * (+28) /* Request */ 05:08:43 [[Lazy evaluation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68870&oldid=68867 * IFcoltransG * (+1) Formatting 05:24:55 [[Ora]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68871&oldid=20033 * IFcoltransG * (+39) Added a cat 05:25:26 [[2D-Reverse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68872&oldid=36278 * IFcoltransG * (+39) Added a category 05:27:28 [[Generic 2D Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68873&oldid=46372 * IFcoltransG * (+79) Added cats 05:30:42 [[Generic 2D Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68874&oldid=59911 * IFcoltransG * (+80) Added categories 05:32:32 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68875&oldid=68854 * IFcoltransG * (+52) /* G */ Added two languages authors forgot to add 05:39:42 [[Niblet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68876&oldid=44703 * IFcoltransG * (+129) Added some cats and dead link template 05:42:56 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68877&oldid=68875 * IFcoltransG * (+13) /* S */ Shepherded the lost Stable language onto the page 05:43:49 [[Stable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68878&oldid=66415 * IFcoltransG * (+66) Categories 05:45:01 -!- craigo has joined. 06:38:53 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 06:49:49 -!- ocharles has joined. 06:52:02 -!- pikhq has joined. 06:57:09 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 06:57:16 -!- j4cbo has joined. 06:57:38 -!- mich181189 has joined. 07:00:20 -!- dingwat has joined. 07:01:34 -!- dog_star has joined. 07:04:05 -!- lynn has joined. 07:04:13 -!- glowcoil has joined. 07:06:31 -!- dnm has joined. 07:07:28 -!- ^[ has joined. 07:50:37 [[Comp]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68879&oldid=68702 * IFcoltransG * (+0) Capitalisation 07:51:32 [[Comp]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68880&oldid=68879 * IFcoltransG * (+0) Capitalisation but actually this time. 07:52:43 [[Talk:Comp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68881&oldid=68646 * IFcoltransG * (+53) /* The Ampersand */ 07:52:52 [[Talk:Comp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68882&oldid=68881 * IFcoltransG * (+95) 08:38:33 Can HTML form data be saved to a file, after it has been filled up, without submitting the form? 08:54:13 [[Talk:Comp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68883&oldid=68882 * JonoCode9374 * (+225) /* The Ampersand */ 08:57:09 -!- b_jonas has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:10:21 [[TOGA computer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68884&oldid=68722 * IFcoltransG * (+57) Full proofread once-over 09:21:57 [[Schmuu]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68885&oldid=55480 * IFcoltransG * (+69) Categories 09:33:53 [[Pendulum Instruction Set Architecture]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68886&oldid=41354 * IFcoltransG * (-37) Categories and format of code 09:36:46 [[Eitherf*ck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68887&oldid=50854 * IFcoltransG * (+41) Categories 09:39:22 [[Mandelbrot set]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68888&oldid=62496 * IFcoltransG * (+28) Program forms category 09:42:50 [[Countercall]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68889&oldid=53612 * IFcoltransG * (+20) /* Computational class */ fixed link 09:50:21 [[Talk:Comp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68890&oldid=68883 * IFcoltransG * (+159) 09:50:31 [[Talk:Comp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68891&oldid=68890 * IFcoltransG * (+95) 11:26:38 -!- sebbu has quit (Quit: reboot). 11:37:02 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:26:09 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:55:06 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 13:04:07 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:06:04 -!- xelxebar has joined. 13:15:37 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 13:16:41 zzo38: re pclose terminate the process: I don't think so. if you want such fine control, I think you have to reimplement popen. 13:21:23 greets 13:22:21 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 13:26:37 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 13:39:28 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 13:45:36 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:48:27 hi 13:48:31 -!- arseniiv has quit (Quit: gone completely :o). 14:16:48 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 14:54:17 fungot: what is the job of a "chief purpose officer"? 14:54:17 int-e: oh stack yes... i know 15:03:29 -!- sprocklem has joined. 15:13:37 fungot: do you actually parse the messages that invoke you to seed your response or do you just say whatever? 15:13:37 Taneb: ok. do you use guile, it's built-in) or openssl's fnord' library) has a rather vertical fnord graph. 15:16:06 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 15:17:38 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:18:58 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 15:43:31 -!- arseniiv has joined. 16:07:56 Spoilers: it's the latter. 16:08:35 The reason being, the file format makes it harder to translate from text to tokens than the other way around. 16:08:55 I have a Perl script I can use to generate fungot sentences with a fixed initial context. 16:08:55 fizzie: that's more like it))) where bar is a non-tail call? 16:11:00 http://ix.io/27yb -- no idea which style that's from, just used whatever leftover was there. 16:20:26 -!- imode has joined. 17:00:16 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:30:33 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:33:03 `modes 17:33:05 modes? No such file or directory 17:33:38 ^style 17:33:38 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube 17:34:30 i expected lisp-mode to explain fungot's musings 17:34:30 kritixilithos: but append!ing to () 17:34:50 i'm probably unaware of a synonym 17:41:58 The reason why the 'irc' style has stuff like this is because logs from #scheme were part of the training set. 17:42:09 ^style irc 17:42:09 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 17:54:31 how are words tokenised? are the parens a part of the word or does fungot add them separately? 17:54:31 kritixilithos: i'm writing gambit 5. helsinki/ espoo border, otaniemi. wonder if it's for scheme code did i really just guess from context 17:55:26 yes you really did guess from context 17:57:38 or not at all according to previous messages 18:11:56 Punctuation are separate tokens, and there's a bug (or rather, a missing feature) that even punctuations that shouldn't have a following space (open parenthesis, slash, open quote) add it. 18:32:40 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:38:39 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Quit: quit). 18:42:32 oh, phpbb has a link to show the print view of a page in a thread. that's what I should use next time when I mass download. 18:42:51 it still uses the same pagination, I think it only differs in the headers and footers 18:45:36 though it doesn't link the usernames of posters to the user, that's a slight drawback 18:46:10 meh, I'll figure it out the next time I want to download a forum 18:57:53 -!- tromp has joined. 19:00:47 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:08:28 good old phpbb 19:08:55 kmc: it's quite popular and actively developped 19:09:05 yeah 19:09:10 it's like everywhere, you just don't always recognize it because there are so many plugins customizing it 19:09:15 yeah I know 19:09:17 and every version gives different html 19:09:29 I'm on at least one popular site that is veny much an old school forum 19:09:29 so you can't even recognize it if you look inside the html like the classes and ids 19:09:33 not sure if it's phpbb, but quite likely 19:09:37 you need different scripts for every different vesrions 19:09:47 I prefer old school forums to "social media" in many ways 19:10:05 although I like reddit even more 19:10:26 [[A-DU]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68892&oldid=58436 * Salpynx * (+50) Categories, because at the time both adding a Language cat and adding it to the languages page seemed redundant (re. WHY?) 19:10:33 reddit is often lumped in with social media but it's really closer to an old school forum 19:11:12 the interface is cleaner than most phpbb sites i've used 19:13:54 reddit certainly has some thought put into it 19:14:22 though I often complain about 1-year topic lockout period 19:15:27 one complain I have about several old-school forums I visited or visit is that they dry out and toxify in some sense 19:19:04 like there is a whole level of positive feedback loops going on: people visiting habitually may want more activity so they write posts that are often far from constructive, and lack of feedback that these posts are bad fixes the habit of posting these unnecessary things 19:19:22 and that’s just one of many sides of the story 19:19:23 kmc: sorry, I don't buy it. normal forums show all threads, and show all posts in a thread that anyone ever posted, in chronological order, except those that moderators have deleted, those are gone. facebook and twitter and reddit choose popular posts that they think you'll like, they're selective. 19:21:28 I think NNTP is better. 19:22:19 b_jonas: you can choose the sort on reddit 19:22:29 if you go to a specific reddit, I mean 19:22:35 which would be equivalent of choosing a forum site 19:22:44 the options are hot / new / top / rising 19:22:52 you can also choose the sort on comments 19:22:55 (usually?) 19:23:24 kmc: ok, I believe you, I don't use reddit so I'm not familiar with how all this stuff works 19:23:52 you can also do "top of today" vs "top of this year" vs "top of all time" 19:23:54 https://www.reddit.com/r/ambien/top/?t=all 19:24:57 i like reddit. sure, a lot of reddits (especially popular or default-view ones) are shit, but there are a lot of good ones too 19:25:06 most of my interests have at least one good reddit associated 19:26:47 I think that the topics should never be locked out 19:27:35 yeah it is a bit annoying 19:27:51 when i come across a 4 year old thread and want to say something clever 19:27:53 Although I do not use Reddit myself, I do sometimes read stuff on there when linked from somewhere, and I have a redirect set up in my browser so that it redirects to the "old.reddit.com" domain name 19:28:01 and i miss out on the opportunity to show off my cleverness 19:30:13 poor kmc 19:30:32 yeah 19:30:37 poor me 19:31:34 reddit is an awesome place 19:31:41 Perhaps, you should use NNTP is better. 19:32:13 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:32:43 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:32:48 There is some program uses web forum and also is available as mailing list and NNTP, such as "DFeed", so it is possible to have all of them 19:33:05 (And it is compatible with IRC, too.) 19:34:19 zzo38: yes, there's also Google groups which gives a web interface to some newsgroups 19:34:28 or it used to, I'm not sure if it does still 19:35:04 at https://groups.google.com/ 19:35:11 it handles mailing lists too 19:35:28 and there are newsgroups mirrored with a mailing list, possibly without a web interface 19:35:36 there's all sorts of bridges 19:37:15 Yes, although what is problem I think is that many mailing lists and web forums don't have a NNTP. 19:37:42 (There is also the problem of namespace collision, which Unusenet solves.) 19:43:04 namespace collision between what? 19:44:19 Potential collision between non-Usenet newsgroups in different servers. 19:45:06 (If it is the same one that is echoed on a different server then the same name should be used, but otherwise it probably shouldn't be the same name.) 19:46:22 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:09:10 -!- LKoen has joined. 20:10:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:26:44 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:27:29 what are the haps my friends 20:27:34 good to see aloril is still here 20:27:38 the eternal silent sentinel 20:28:07 [ 1000*1*0.6*0.4 20:28:08 b_jonas: 240 20:28:29 [ 1000*1*0.5*0.5 20:28:29 b_jonas: 250 20:33:36 Hell, Phantom_Hoover 20:33:51 ...*hello 20:34:11 helloover surely 20:44:07 Quite possibly 20:44:57 How is it going? 21:01:26 [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68893&oldid=42675 * IFcoltransG * (-6) /* I/O */ Fix grammar 21:10:19 `` wn hap -over | grep '^1' | head -1 21:10:21 1. hap -- (an accidental happening; "he recorded all the little haps and mishaps of his life") 21:25:21 I still happen to stumble upon songs from 90s-00s that I heard that time, didn’t know their titles (for older ones, almost for all of them) and then forgot. Still! Though that requires filtering tons of tracks from various radiostreams. It’s very helpful that there’s soft for slicing them for me and ignoring those listened to already 21:26:36 and the community to maintain a list of streams with their genres and such 21:27:44 shouldn’t I pet my nostalgia not 21:28:07 (it isn’t even a proper one) 21:28:11 I think that they said that Level 4 PostScript will not be made, although I think that there are some things that should be, such as alpha transparency, image device (like Ghostscript has), cvop (to convert procedures into operators), nonenumerable dictionaries, printobject without a tag to send an array directly, and a few others. 21:46:51 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:38:11 someone read Unsong? (but please no spoilers) 22:38:49 Sure. It was interesting. 22:39:40 I think PDF is terrible, and that maybe PCL is better, and DVI is also better (for different uses from PCL). 22:39:47 i read the first few chapters and didn't like how it was going 22:40:06 Taneb, well i recently had to have my insides rearranged but other than that good 22:40:39 i somehow stumbled into a job doing tarted-up k for a bank so it turns out esolangs really can get you a job 22:42:13 I talked about Befunge in a job (well, summer internship) interview once, but I'm not sure that contributed. 22:42:16 Phantom_Hoover: nice. apparently multiple esolangers work in finance, in places where they use either Dyalog APL or K for code, except for mroman who uses burlesque 22:42:45 dyalog APL is a whole nother level 22:42:54 kind of want to see what that looks like 22:43:10 Phantom_Hoover: in what way? Dyalog APL and K are both APL-likes, and people use both with some database interface or something in finance 22:43:13 or isn't that how it works? 22:43:22 I don't know, I don't want to work in finance 22:43:54 K is... still used in some places i'm sure. in a lot of them it's migrated to Q which is K with keywork aliases for the operators and a general pythony feel of everything being a dictionary 22:48:32 Phantom_Hoover: does finance mean that everything you work with is confidential, you can only test your code on phony generated data and will never know why it fails on real data, and you have to leave your brain locked in the office when you leave and bleach it when you're fired? 22:48:53 hahahahahahahahhaa 22:48:54 no 22:49:09 i think it's more like that at hedge funs 22:49:11 *funds 22:50:10 and for people working on actual finance 22:50:15 what, how? isn't hedge funds like investments where any information you learn will be useless a minute later anyway, and the programs you write have to react within milliseconds? 22:50:29 no that's HFT 22:50:36 like biology research but faster 22:50:38 which some hedge funds may well specialise in idk 22:50:44 I see 22:51:01 hedge funds in general are just, like, smaller and less tightly regulated investment outfits than the big banks 22:51:06 boutique finance if you will 22:51:55 yeah. and they're less tightly regulated because they get access to less confidential data about clients, or so I assume 22:52:11 no if anything it's the opposite 22:52:17 idk that much about it 22:52:34 they don't sell their financial services on the open market in the same way the investment banks do i think 22:57:19 Phantom_Hoover: so what is the work like? can you read the K code that others wrote? or is it all write-only code? 23:02:15 nah as i alluded to above i feel it mostly just reads like python 23:02:30 like, very weird python, but most of it is twiddling dicts 23:06:13 the most k parts of it are the advanced iteration stuff 23:07:16 -!- imode has joined. 23:14:41 [[Embedded HQ9+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68894&oldid=58087 * IFcoltransG * (+43) +Categories 23:20:44 [[Rotary Quine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=68895&oldid=68743 * IFcoltransG * (+27) Category 23:22:23 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 23:26:12 -!- craigo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:55:02 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 23:56:11 [[User:IFcoltransG/HQ9+ derivatives]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=68896 * IFcoltransG * (+781) Created a list of HQ9+ derivatives 23:56:32 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 23:56:32 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life.