00:00:09 then.. probably? 00:00:59 Yes, but how exactly to do such a thing? 00:01:08 * imode shrugs. 00:03:19 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:04:04 [[Talk:ESON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69392&oldid=69389 * IFcoltransG * (+379) /* Ambiguity in the specification with composite types */ new section 00:15:58 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 00:30:40 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 00:33:29 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 00:37:21 [[ESON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69393&oldid=69391 * IFcoltransG * (+25) Added stack-based category 00:48:31 [[Photon]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69394&oldid=66650 * IFcoltransG * (+40) Categorised 00:51:12 [[Minimalist's Markup]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69395&oldid=46760 * IFcoltransG * (+31) Added ML category 00:59:09 [[ABC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69396&oldid=66247 * IFcoltransG * (+16) Added extra disambiguation link 01:20:11 [[Fm]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69397&oldid=63179 * IFcoltransG * (+35) Added bf derivatives category 01:21:00 [[Wang program]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69398&oldid=65274 * IFcoltransG * (+22) Added link to Fm 01:36:21 long ago, in a galaxy far away, one of the selling points of free sofware and open source etc. was developers would gravitate towards projects they want to work on and/or scratch their own itches, this seems to have disappeared 01:37:00 replaced by "management" 01:43:02 right, because people don't do that anymore. 01:43:25 we all just program because managers tell us to. 01:46:21 Actually, people still do write programs they want to write, in their own time (when you are not at work). 01:46:53 I realize that my messages are missing an /s. 01:48:24 I think your message is spelled correctly (as far as I can tell). 01:49:35 people commonly annotate their messages with '/s' to indicate that the contents are sarcastic. 01:49:41 because text doesn't convey sarcasm. 01:50:54 O, OK 02:00:47 i just mean it used to be a good thing to scratch your own itches 02:00:55 you didnt get a million "why arent you doing it MYYYYYY way" 02:01:01 MEEEEE 02:01:13 "you dont matter" 02:01:15 wasnt a thing! 02:01:38 those are the "managers" 02:07:53 People still write their own programs though (even if some people don't like it, then they can use different software), but some protocols/formats are made too complicated/messy. 02:08:17 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 02:08:39 [[Talk:LSCEF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=69399 * IFcoltransG * (+263) /* ? */ new section 02:09:47 -!- imode has joined. 02:15:21 thats the problem with telling people "you dont matter" ultimately they wipe themselves and everyone else out, since noone ultimately matters 02:16:16 its a disguised nihilism masquerading as benevolence IMO 02:24:13 if you spent half the time thinking about what you say before saying it, maybe you would've realized that that's still the case. 02:24:45 what're some projects you've worked on? what have you contributed to the FOSS ecosystem? 02:24:53 you seem so personally invested in it. 02:25:09 not that one shouldn't have personal investment, that's what FOSS is built off of. 02:25:25 just that there seems to be something pissing you off to the point of yelling at clouds. 02:26:41 [[Postfix notation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69400&oldid=67966 * IFcoltransG * (+29) Added reference to RPN 02:27:18 [[Prefix notation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69401&oldid=67590 * IFcoltransG * (+21) Added reference to Polish notation 02:28:33 [[Prefix notation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69402&oldid=69401 * IFcoltransG * (+11) Grammar adjustment and stub template 02:31:34 [[ESON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69403&oldid=69393 * IFcoltransG * (+103) Referred to RPN and plethora of bases 02:34:54 [[Spl]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69404&oldid=40949 * IFcoltransG * (+52) Added Shakespeare to the mini disambiguation 02:35:13 [[Spl]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69405&oldid=69404 * IFcoltransG * (+1) Forgot full stop 02:36:31 kingoffrance: But nihilism is not necessarily malevolent. 02:38:16 [[SPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69406&oldid=37332 * IFcoltransG * (+106) Added a short disambig 02:39:00 [[Shakespeare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69407&oldid=46421 * IFcoltransG * (+100) Added a short disambig 02:44:09 [[Arity]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69408&oldid=67964 * IFcoltransG * (+1) /* Practical uses */ Pluralised for grammar 02:55:47 [[Lisp]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69409&oldid=68961 * IFcoltransG * (+4) Added a link 02:59:18 [[FORTH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=69410 * IFcoltransG * (+19) Redirected page to [[Forth]] 02:59:54 [[Forth]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69411&oldid=67551 * IFcoltransG * (+28) Added metalanguages category 03:00:15 [[Forth]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69412&oldid=69411 * IFcoltransG * (+0) Fixed my spelling mistake 03:01:38 [[Arity]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69413&oldid=69408 * IFcoltransG * (+5) /* Dynamic arity */ Linked Python to Python 03:59:59 "you don't matter" is a new type of "FUD" i guess :/ 04:00:51 onto ignore you go. 04:37:03 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)). 04:37:52 I wonder how fast you can make Thue. <-- I'm afraid that's in "sufficiently smart compiler" territory; if you manage to unravel enough of the encodings you can be arbitrarily fast, but you'll be solving instances of undecidable problems at all times. 04:40:38 int-e: not sure I follow, can you explain further? 04:41:35 Of course there's a lot you can do to make the rewriting engine faster... indexing (hashing) substrings, or, probably more fruitfully, analysing how right-hand sides overlap with left-hand sides to track redex creation, a good data structure for the strings themselves... but competing with C will be a huge stretch. 04:42:04 imode: Imagine somebody has a C to Thue compiler. The resulting program(s) can be made as fast as the C program in principle... 04:42:29 how would that even work?.. 04:42:34 ...by reversing the compiler's operation. 04:42:58 -!- FreeFull has quit. 04:44:45 A C to Thue compiler would be trying to simulate things like variables, registers, etc.. mm. 04:45:15 thue to C would be guessing the things that the rules encode. 04:46:44 Yes. Clearly this is hopeless without knowing what the compiler does, and likely still very hard if you have the compiler available. 04:46:51 making the rewriting engine faster seems to be a reasonable prospect. 04:47:28 imode: Yeah I replied to the wrong part of your message really. My doubts are really connected to competing with C. 04:49:08 same. it'll have to remain interpreted, because there's nothing to "compile" to C: you'll end up with a rewrite engine that has hardcoded rules instead of ones loaded from a file. 04:49:26 unless you can guess the semantics of the rules and "derive" the thing they're designed to implement, like a multi-tape TM + states. 04:50:29 at that point you haven't "compiled Thue to C", you've taken an encoding of something in Thue and provided the equivalent encoding in C. arbitrary rules aren't possible. 06:02:19 -!- kingoffrance has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:02:43 -!- kingoffrance has joined. 06:22:21 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:20:26 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:32:54 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 07:48:43 fungot: will it finish? 07:48:43 int-e: but i need to rest, i'm all ears. i don't have anything else to do it 09:12:39 [[Talk:///]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69414&oldid=68783 * CarlosLuna * (+395) Answering the "adder" question. 10:27:10 [[Bubbles]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69415&oldid=68859 * IFcoltransG * (-12) Unnecessary emboldening brought to my attention 10:30:50 [[Talk:///]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69416&oldid=69414 * CarlosLuna * (+730) Commenting on Substraction program. 11:49:39 -!- kingoffrance has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:49:59 -!- kingoffrance has joined. 12:07:09 [[User:CarlosLuna]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69417&oldid=68776 * CarlosLuna * (+425) Binary Sums improvements 12:46:25 -!- arseniiv has joined. 13:24:32 [[Bubbles]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69418&oldid=69415 * IFcoltransG * (+400) Added IO extensions paragraph 13:48:27 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:00:28 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Elmusfire * New user account 14:08:54 [[User:Hakerh400/How to write quines]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=69419 * Hakerh400 * (+36564) New article: How to write quines 14:09:56 [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69420&oldid=68855 * Hakerh400 * (+63) New article 14:10:08 [[User:Hakerh400]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69421&oldid=69420 * Hakerh400 * (+6) 14:12:09 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69422&oldid=69226 * Elmusfire * (+359) /* Introductions */ 14:22:50 -!- Elmusfire has joined. 14:55:10 [[User:Hakerh400/How to write quines]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69423&oldid=69419 * Hakerh400 * (+16) 14:56:14 [[User:Hakerh400/How to write quines]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69424&oldid=69423 * Hakerh400 * (-1) 15:02:28 -!- sprocklem has joined. 15:08:51 -!- MDude has joined. 15:28:16 [[Furcode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69425&oldid=67890 * Oklomsy * (+11) 15:53:14 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:05:46 -!- sprocklem has joined. 16:14:55 -!- Elmusfire has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:24:17 -!- imode has joined. 16:53:12 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:53:19 hm, a thought on models of programming vs. models of computation: could one say that quines are meaningful for the first and meaningless for the second? 16:54:20 e. g. take a Minsky machine. To write a quine machine, we first need to conjure an encoding of machines, so the machine itself can’t be thought of as quining or not quining, it depends on an encoding 16:55:25 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Hakerh400 * uploaded "[[File:UISFDS Space subdivision.png]]": UISFDS - Example of a space subdivision 16:55:36 and that is the distinction between this model and that model IIRC 17:11:54 -!- yay has joined. 17:12:00 -!- yay has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:12:35 -!- zoobab has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:30:23 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:12:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:12:17 [[COW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69427&oldid=59960 * SnoringFrog * (+637) Adding a more optimized Hello, World! program 18:22:03 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 18:22:54 -!- arseniiv has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:23:11 [ 6!12\ 18:23:12 b_jonas: |domain error 18:23:12 b_jonas: | 6! 12\ 18:23:13 [ 6!12 18:23:14 b_jonas: 924 18:27:07 [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=69428&oldid=69387 * SnoringFrog * (+547) Adding COW 18:36:18 I think we can remove the IOCCC news from the channel topic now 18:36:52 -!- b_jonas has set topic: Welcome to the international center for esoteric programming library design, development, and deployment! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/. 18:42:10 -!- mniip has quit (Quit: This page is intentionally left blank.). 18:42:38 fungot: When will I learn to add checkpointing to my long-running programs? 18:42:38 int-e: you are eaten by a grue") in scheme?' there fnord, too 18:55:14 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:06:28 -!- mniip has joined. 19:16:37 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:57:34 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * PersonMan * New user account 20:07:16 fungot: You're long-running, right? Do you have checkpoints? 20:07:16 fizzie: at least, there are five processes excluding the main one 20:07:34 Huh, sounds like it's a more complicated system than I thought. 20:07:56 fungot: Have you been refactoring yourself again? I'm pretty sure there was just one process when I wrote it. 20:07:56 fizzie: picocpu. xd 20:29:20 fizzie: he's stateless so he doesn't need them. he can just restart from a fresh random seed instead of continuing the same one from a checkpoint. 20:30:40 you can permaban me from this channel. to answer imode "what is pissing me off" if someone'd like to relay, its not the software, its the business people/incorporations/banks/schools/churches have adoped a "state religion" i dont subscribe to; i try to avoid contracting with treasonous psycopathic luciferians http://www.iapsop.com/archive/materials/wing_lessons/hjg/1951__frater_viii___the_seals_were_broken.pdf https://archive.org/ 20:30:40 details/fundamentallaws00ordegoog in millenial "america/england" thats near impossible, they consider it 'destiny' and "freedom of religion" a joke; if you know your roman civil law, this is every incorporation's new "religion"; i draw a line at companies brainwashing employees and treason; adios 20:30:47 -!- kingoffrance has left ("x"). 20:40:06 -!- imode has joined. 20:41:00 that guy was quite the nut. 20:49:26 `forget kingoffrance 20:49:29 Forget what? 21:45:34 -!- erdic_ has joined. 21:46:44 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:00:05 -!- erdic_ has quit (Changing host). 22:00:05 -!- erdic_ has joined. 22:00:45 -!- erdic_ has changed nick to erdic. 22:14:29 IOCCC 27 is open 22:21:45 yes, the webpage claims so 22:21:57 `? ioccc 22:21:58 The IOCCC is the Industrial Ordovician COBOL Conference Circuit. Not to be confused with OIC. See also ioccclist. 22:51:37 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds).