< 1582417179 816865 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:71f0:ee99:694:c906 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1582418037 143193 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-178.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1582418914 188220 :longname!~airbouy@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1582419087 130458 :longname!~airbouy@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1582419261 987761 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:71f0:ee99:694:c906 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582419505 929221 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:71f0:ee99:694:c906 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1582421243 111695 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:dfc:3039:ab64:7b3a JOIN :#esoteric < 1582421533 135010 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:dfc:3039:ab64:7b3a QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1582423038 995542 :longname!~airbouy@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1582423234 721767 :longname!~airbouy@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1582424969 393759 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1582425054 145088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1582427717 122411 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:dfc:3039:ab64:7b3a JOIN :#esoteric < 1582427993 136959 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:dfc:3039:ab64:7b3a QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1582428520 940557 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbexehiwtxuzigcq JOIN :#esoteric < 1582429367 123075 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:111:c8bd:38b5:1efd JOIN :#esoteric < 1582429452 55651 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-213-127-95-129.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1582429665 121059 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:111:c8bd:38b5:1efd QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1582429727 61079 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-213-127-95-129.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1582430073 110305 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel a theorem coming on. < 1582430077 169092 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582430193 810049 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you have a stock market moving according to geometric Brownian motion. You can buy and sell stock, and borrow and repay money (with interest charged), with no transaction costs and no delays. < 1582430247 435896 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theorem (?): You can make an arbitrarily large amount of money in an arbitrarily short amount of time with an arbitrarily large probability of success and an arbitrarily tight upper bound on the amount of money that may be lost. < 1582430415 120921 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously this can't be done in the real world; it's a theorem about a flawed model, and the result isn't applicable to the actual stock market. < 1582430546 563077 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the idea. Start by borrowing a dollar. Then buy one trillion dollars' worth of stock. Borrow and repay money constantly so that the amount of stock you own is always equal to one trillion times your net worth, disregarding the dollar you borrowed. < 1582430665 629862 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a second, you'll have either an extremely large amount of stock or an extremely small amount of stock. If it's an extremely large amount, great job; sell it and retire. If it's an extremely small amount, borrow another 50 cents and repeat. < 1582430873 381060 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be falling prey to some kind of gambler's fallacy here. < 1582431623 570852 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1582432473 788854 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently, I am creatively and motivationally dead. < 1582432486 504384 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :halted all my projects. spent most of the day in bed. < 1582432503 228041 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's to those of you who are enjoying your time. < 1582435852 151635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett[m]: thinking about the Martingale gambling strategy (i.e. always bet enough that a win would cover all your losses so far; note that this doesn't work in the real world either), I realized that casinos effectively run Ponzi schemes < 1582435867 847018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if every better had infinite capital they would all make a profit in the long term, and so would the casino < 1582435975 183964 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean they're Ponzi schemes at the bettors' expense or the investors'? < 1582436325 463127 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, I'm trying to figure out if my theorem is actually true or not. < 1582436382 947591 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you try to do the same thing with, say, roulette. Start with a dollar and bet 99% of your money each time; stop when you have either a billion dollars or a billionth of a dollar. < 1582436417 798585 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not a useful strategy because you have less than a one in a billion chance of getting to a billion. < 1582436446 772438 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say it's a 50-50 coin flip game instead of roulette. < 1582436583 232965 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a 50% chance of losing 99% and a 50% chance of winning 99%. But there's a lot of compounding burden. If you look at logarithmic percentages, the loss is 461%L, whereas the gain is only 69%L. < 1582436687 958472 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going for a billionfold increase, which means you want to gain 2072%L before you've lost 2072%L. < 1582436739 319915 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But each play loses you about 200%L on average, and it's very unlikely that the variance will make up for that average loss. < 1582436770 519929 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, suppose you try to reduce your compounding burden by making much smaller bets. Let's say you only bet 1% of your money at a time. < 1582436785 60640 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you still have less than a one in a billion chance of getting to a billion. < 1582436886 830539 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now a win gives you a 0.995%L increase and a loss gives you a 1.005%L decrease. You're still losing about 0.01%L on average, and now the variance is much, much less. < 1582436951 722508 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what happens if you take the limit as the bet sizes approach zero? Well, the expected value of the game is 0 no matter what your bet size is, so even with an infinitesimal bet size, the expected value remains 0. < 1582437205 755602 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xloafmsaqqcxywxr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now if you apply that to investing in geometric Brownian motion with leverage... I don't know what that limit looks like. < 1582438032 137416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Welcome to IRC, the place for people who have trouble moving on in their life. < 1582438239 295397 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you know, I've been on IRC for 10 years. and you're right. and I hate that. < 1582438307 417381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, about 15 years here. I kind of know what I'm talking about. < 1582438323 678050 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when we die. < 1582438357 348465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth keeps moving. We actually have a good chance of going out with a (nuclear) bang. < 1582438374 559065 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? marvin < 1582438377 164414 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :marvin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1582438583 237419 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized my first few messages almost made a cute rhyme. < 1582438620 646426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rap song in the making, perhaps. < 1582438654 356889 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :bars. < 1582438666 303397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this place got so depressing while I was gone < 1582438682 619050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: for what it's worth, I've been there too, and I shook myself out of it eventually < 1582438694 578798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm there again now, but still managing to at least get my day job done, and hopefully I'll recover soon < 1582438705 272879 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oscillation hurts. < 1582438754 879472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Look on the bright side: Without depression, we would have destroyed Earth centuries ago. ) < 1582438762 109466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should probably stop talking.
< 1582439194 566893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I feel that one important difference between Casinos and Ponzi schemes is that Casinos don't punish late "investors"; everybody gets the same (somewhat lousy) chances of making a profit, except for the people running the scheme, whose chances are much better (that's where the analogy works again). < 1582439254 132932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do Ponzi schemes, intentionally < 1582439256 851832 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But don't ask me why I felt I had to capitalize casinos.) < 1582439275 385925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that when they inevitably run out of money or get found out, late investors are the people who end up screwed < 1582439297 355953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Ponzi schemes inevitably run out of investors. And often you get an exit scam on top. < 1582439344 476572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the difference is that a casino's advertised average rate of return is negative < 1582439351 916838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they accumulate money over time rather than losing it < 1582439366 321539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is where the people running the scheme run off with all the money, and later turn up shot dead or swimming with the fish in a remote place.) < 1582439390 284891 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may have skipped a step or two there.
< 1582439432 800885 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can put it that way, yeah. < 1582439495 181689 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, casinos are far more romantic. < 1582439508 396657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, gambling machines have to advertise their rate of return on the outside of their case < 1582439513 189143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's normally around 90%) < 1582439531 525218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that means that they can't be games of skill to any extent, as that would influence the rate of return? < 1582439549 176688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, from what I've seen of other people playing them, the choices it offers seem to be rigged to provide the same return no matter which choice you make < 1582439576 301974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have to be exact or a lower bound? < 1582439609 308861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1582439629 927460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet it makes all the difference for this question. :-P < 1582439647 137504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, whether you are allowed to reward skill.) < 1582440053 426035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the people most interested in a stable payout rate are those running the machines. < 1582440086 40612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1582440130 678995 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it is designed so that it can't pay out more than a certain percentage of all money put in, so that will ensure the rate of return is what it says it is, I think. I think that is what I read somewhere, at least. < 1582440362 925881 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think, they should fix it so that it is permitted to reward skill if the machine designer wishes to do so, although it is unclear how the rate of return should be advertised in that case. Do you know? < 1582440768 67648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1582443040 196833 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582443098 651176 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1582443119 664907 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1582443229 814108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewarding skill is allowed... apparently incluindg ripping off unskilled players: "THE RETURN TO PLAYER BASED ON BEST STRATEGY IS (VALUE) %" http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/for-gambling-businesses/Compliance/Sector-specific-compliance/Arcades-and-machines/Gaming-machine-technical-standards.aspx (for example Section 8.3 in the B2 version.) < 1582443306 633599 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously this is for the UK (and not straightforward to find... the primary law is the Gambling Act 2005 which is easy enough to find, but the details are filled in by regulations such as these. < 1582443802 208056 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if it specifically says "THE RETURN TO PLAYER BASED ON BEST STRATEGY IS" then it is clear what it means. < 1582444019 573550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1582444416 614648 :sixyears!~pcc31@c-73-241-96-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1582444642 824838 :sixyears!~pcc31@c-73-241-96-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eve < 1582445067 119148 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5dd3:51d5:19bf:f6db JOIN :#esoteric > 1582445183 809960 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clue (oklopol)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70026&oldid=69965 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (-24) 10/* Syntax */ Clarified, maybe guessing at meaning < 1582447323 282945 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1582448898 181237 :sixyears!~pcc31@c-73-241-96-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1582449813 232793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( such silliness: M -= M.Identity().diagonal().asDiagonal(); ) < 1582451219 367465 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.210.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582451811 371351 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582452846 984132 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1582452965 627208 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582453474 510256 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1582454127 117325 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1582455675 130625 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1582455935 109550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mindwhipper14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70027&oldid=70024 5* 03Asasnat 5* (-167) 10 > 1582456321 986261 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mindwhipper14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70028&oldid=70027 5* 03Asasnat 5* (+18) 10 < 1582460892 300724 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbexehiwtxuzigcq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1582462280 373346 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1582463799 698925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nybblang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70029&oldid=70022 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* Program import */ < 1582465301 154465 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1582465401 194009 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582468380 945676 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: incidentally I spent most of this week working with (against?) Eigen < 1582468478 391299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I was just playing around. However, I made the mistake of looking at the machine code resulting from the naive M -= M.Identity()... and it had two nested loops :-/ < 1582468491 92110 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to modify a diagonal you can also do something like M.diagonal() -= 1; (but probably with a random extra .array() somewhere, and maybe it randomly doesn't work with scalars at that place) < 1582468526 922305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that looks more proper actually. < 1582468634 288321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, M.diagonal().array() -= 1 works. < 1582468674 905621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :) < 1582468945 966903 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the documentation of Eigen hard to digest as well, btw. The problem being unfolding the abstraction to find out what methods actually exist. < 1582469007 447456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example I almost missed Matrix::row(int) and Matrix::col(int). > 1582469137 497582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CopyPasta Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70030&oldid=69586 5* 03Rerednaw 5* (+543) 10Examples and addition of the category Turing complete < 1582469140 291624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it's defined in DenseBase) < 1582469152 228491 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to browse around randomly to find methods accidentally mentioned in examples :) > 1582469173 591830 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CopyPasta Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70031&oldid=70030 5* 03Rerednaw 5* (-1) 10/* Mini Fibonacci sequience */ < 1582469200 111802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im also mildly curious how (in)sane auto b = decltype(M.col(0))::Constant(-1); is. > 1582469207 64595 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CopyPasta Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70032&oldid=70031 5* 03Rerednaw 5* (-11) 10/* Mini Fibonacci sequence */ < 1582469216 126690 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the method to use is to just try stuff, like "I wish I could write X.row(foo) = bar" and then you find out both that row() exists and that it can be used as an lvalue < 1582469220 291188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To get a compatible column vector with all entries equal to -1) > 1582469220 739387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CopyPasta Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70033&oldid=70032 5* 03Rerednaw 5* (+1) 10/* Mini Fibonacci sequence */ < 1582469348 794641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Unfortunately I don't have that kind of faith in library designers. < 1582469453 233455 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But I was actually clued in on this by an example... which pointed me to the block interface, of which row() and col() are members. < 1582471482 106131 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1582471684 755570 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all. What is the name of problem of finding shortest path in a graph that has no Hamiltonian path? Like TSP, but edges can appear >1 in resulting path < 1582472961 365966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1582478936 72949 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582479359 644194 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5dd3:51d5:19bf:f6db QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1582480149 273856 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5dd3:51d5:19bf:f6db JOIN :#esoteric < 1582480180 293327 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1582481362 362298 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1582482565 551844 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5dd3:51d5:19bf:f6db QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1582482685 864669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1582482686 311220 :zemhill_________!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1582482802 634134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1582482978 265186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...restarted the wrong system. My own fault for not putting something more obvious in the shell prompt, I guess. < 1582483140 135284 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, reboot. < 1582483180 42861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's way more fun with halt/shutdown -h/poweroff < 1582483257 168121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sinking feeling getting zemhill back up and running is going to be a headache. Fortunately, it's not really seen any use for some months. < 1582484303 928861 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5dd3:51d5:19bf:f6db JOIN :#esoteric < 1582486167 645429 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1582486360 118346 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1582486363 554375 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1582489754 61565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-190.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1582490413 561372 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1582491265 577435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you can come to #eigen and ask questions, it's a friendly channel, or at least used to be a few years ago when I used eigen a lot < 1582491368 81077 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I actually have a shellscript to avoid this: (sudo kingreboot) reboots the machine only if its hostname is king < 1582491529 23014 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it appears that twitter has changed their website again, so it now doesn't even load anything without javascript. it used to load a few pages long part of a thread, just hid it under an overlay that I could remove with user css < 1582491781 926843 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The mobile version still works < 1582491799 110850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, they have some recent changes. So now I'm using the mobile version, which works reasonably well without JS, but only lets you in with cookies. Can't win :/ < 1582491904 960348 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats all the cookies
< 1582491914 409638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1582491914 612730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1582491970 321274 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't worry about surveillance on the Internet. Here, have a cookie. < 1582491989 79369 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mobile version probably isn't a problem if you only want to read and not write, though. < 1582492018 411086 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mobile version also works even if you do not have an account.) < 1582492050 773615 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have an account.) < 1582492481 53684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try the mobile version, thanks > 1582498415 123367 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Garbage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70034&oldid=68229 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (-6) 10/* Syntax */ Wording < 1582498582 206266 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1582498586 198417 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1582499346 387309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1582499685 196625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1582499711 226902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1582500588 988228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Semper dissolubilis14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=70035 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+10387) 10+[[Semper dissolubilis]] < 1582500591 995569 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-knbwzmytqyldxvsm JOIN :#esoteric > 1582500599 830538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70036&oldid=69979 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+26) 10+[[Semper dissolubilis]] > 1582500626 847559 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70037&oldid=69978 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+26) 10+[[Semper dissolubilis]]