< 1584750205 587745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$HACKENV is just /hackenv, FWIW. < 1584750232 967071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In scripts it is useful, but in interactive command lines less so, except maybe it's easier to remember one. < 1584751510 439555 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1584751932 755658 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.112.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1584752601 744883 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1584752867 209118 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1584753051 274633 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1584753070 676766 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a short power outage. < 1584754220 367305 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1584754223 697251 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1584754281 140951 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1584754292 353842 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why sometimes stopped cursor blinking? < 1584754302 379626 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1584754407 882303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I imagine a power outage would stop the cursor from blinking ) < 1584754462 459168 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just stopped blinking in the IRC window (which is a xterm window); the cursor blinking works in my other xterm windows. < 1584754604 134619 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is working now. < 1584754779 79047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the cursor is blinking in inactive windows. < 1584754845 825271 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The window wasn't inactive. < 1584754884 255007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww. https://vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/DECSCUSR < 1584754959 235530 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about that, but as far as I know I didn't use that. < 1584754969 522333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I never really realized that some programs toggle the behavior (e.g., emacs). < 1584754972 526150 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs. < 1584754997 132620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tbf I hardly ever use emacs in a terminal anyway. < 1584755855 582096 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wodhxrzbgdjibdxk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1584756146 883697 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1584756286 379061 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1584756753 25497 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book with acrostic enigma puzzles. < 1584757956 593008 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A county in Cambria's land / (Unaccompanied here) we demand. < 1584759368 175821 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:712a:1267:4842:7e7f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1584759403 759048 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:712a:1267:4842:7e7f JOIN :#esoteric < 1584759630 367669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1584759633 324628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1584759994 274808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1584767418 725630 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1584767793 548727 :MDude!~MDude@97-127-171-136.cdrr.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1584769201 157518 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully those who have a amateur radio station set up at their home can still transmit and receive ARRL radiogram messages even without people physically traveling anywhere. < 1584769345 794839 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although some things of it will be difficult without people physically traveling anywhere.) < 1584769959 1017 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an amateur radio station set up at my home! < 1584769968 250162 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never transmitted or received an ARRL radiogram, though < 1584770193 393092 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you be able to do it if I ask you to do so in future? (I don't need it now, though.) I can format the message myself, although some things you will have to fill in by yourself such as the message number and the station name. < 1584771048 115624 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to brush up on the procedures, but yes < 1584771542 440287 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1584771732 691984 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1584771816 810261 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1584773823 309614 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1584775081 991185 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1584775162 696947 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1584776093 248719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Boris Johnson wants to recruit retired medical personnel in the covid-19 crisis. Remind me, which people were the ones most at risk of severe illness when contracting the virus? ) < 1584776425 603907 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be the best option at this point. It's just very hard not to be cynical about all this. The covid-19 pandemic is the biggest socioeconomic experiment ever. Mistakes will be made (and different countries are making different mistakes.) Hopefully we will learn from them for the future. < 1584777910 258128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRRRRRR. Google and its stupid war on so-called "less secure apps". < 1584778557 964322 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I don't send enough emails from my gmail account and Google decides it's "unused" and resets that option. < 1584778600 960209 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is almost as silly as Windows telling me there are unused icons on my desktop... when I boot into it after a month. (Though I think I've disabled that now.) < 1584778638 103411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows thing is less aggravating though because I can simply ignore the fact rather than jumping through hoops to resend the email. < 1584779325 94472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why Google doesn't allow application-specific passwords without 2FA I'll never understand. < 1584779414 624481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel I've complained about this at length before. < 1584779566 341445 :longname!~airbouy@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1584779776 309679 :longname!~airbouy@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1584781780 399727 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1584781782 418734 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1584781859 559081 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1584782675 768780 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1584784286 617342 :diverger!~div@45.9.251.164 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1584784382 291312 :diverger!~div@45.9.251.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1584785056 887451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know about "at length", but you have complained about it, and I don't understand it either. Also, I don't understand why "app-specific passwords" aren't actually use-specific, in the sense that you could specify what specifically they can be used for. < 1584785074 726821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I do understand it, it'd be pretty complicated from the user perspective. < 1584785125 137223 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1584785152 53905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would still be nice that I could, I don't know, pick which OAuth2 scopes those passwords are valid for. < 1584785341 282065 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1584785470 210866 :vivax!~vivax@66.79-161-35.customer.lyse.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1584785584 980477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking about 2FA, I got 4 security keys for the price of 2 thanks to... well, some link in the chain of postal delivery. The original letter hadn't arrived in a month, so they shipped a new one (took ~3 days to arrive), and then a few weeks later the original one arrived after all, and they didn't want those back. < 1584787594 472671 :vivax!~vivax@66.79-161-35.customer.lyse.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.7.1 < 1584792972 293406 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oweuvslddlytoqmi JOIN :#esoteric < 1584795179 611941 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1584795550 860105 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.9.112.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1584796046 231377 :diverger!~div@45.9.251.164 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in < 1584796187 789975 :diverger!~div@45.9.251.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1584798847 384096 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1584799474 368091 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1584801122 885936 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1584810341 506125 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oweuvslddlytoqmi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1584812901 16487 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be playing GURPS over the internet sometime next week. I thought to make a recording by using a command like "ts | tee | nc | ts | tee"; do you expect this to be good? (The two resulting files can them be combined and interleaved to produce the proper transcript; that is why "ts" is used.) < 1584812995 256133 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The otherthing I have used the "ts" command for is to time parts of programs that produce diagnostic output to indicate what it is doing.) < 1584813059 951351 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that there are no other players; if there were, then this wouldn't work, and I would need to use IRC instead.) < 1584813461 206385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've tested that there's no issues with programs switching to fully buffered from line buffered, that sounds pretty reasonable. You'll probably want a ts format that uses %.S if you intend to automatically interleave it by sorting. < 1584813675 237251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1584813688 34523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1584814499 659631 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, actually I used the format %.s< and %.s> although I think the buffering works OK with the programs I listed there; do you have any belief that it isn't? < 1584814587 207787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a specific belief, no, it's just often an issue. Sometimes "stdbuf -oL" fixes those. But like you say, with that set of programs it might be working fine anyway. < 1584814799 716693 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfaiwegjtdreinpl JOIN :#esoteric < 1584815650 490091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tfw... zooming in the browser does not have any effect because the CSS uses a font size that's propotional to the viewport size < 1584815670 966249 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like CSS viewport units; can they be disabled? < 1584815776 51334 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I've just realized I can use the responsive design mode to avoid having to resize the complete window < 1584815859 434164 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CSS viewport units, and anything else based on the height of the viewport, should only have an effect in "paged screen" media mode, not in the default "continuous screen" media mode.) < 1584816000 625603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they usually use the viewport width for reference. < 1584816012 387379 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of get it, but breaking zoom is a very nasty side effect. < 1584816116 920587 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viewport width is probably useful for some things, but not for font sizes or anything else that uses vertical distances. Furthermore, there ought to be a virtual viewport mode that the user can control. < 1584816204 440563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the responsive design mode is < 1584816235 810484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's touted as a web developer feature < 1584816285 775357 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1584816676 873597 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought that the user should have the setting of which interaction mode to use (document or application), as well as which view mode to use (normal, presentation, ARIA, preview, source); the view mode also affects the interaction though. < 1584816862 586011 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Application mode is rather worthless if document scripting is disabled, although it would still be allowed.) < 1584816901 470900 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-50-7.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of that? < 1584817870 311621 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1584819004 902941 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1584819091 276862 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1584819091 444910 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin > 1584822974 377603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70444&oldid=70345 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-15) 10/* Languages */ < 1584823235 57533 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1584823697 977012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MyScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70445&oldid=70262 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-31) 10/* While */ < 1584824323 695292 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1584824860 44590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MyScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70446&oldid=70445 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+305) 10/* Datatypes */ > 1584824959 281011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MyScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70447&oldid=70446 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10/* User-Defined Functions */ quote fix < 1584824998 162466 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1584825014 311634 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1584825081 330887 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1584825169 426125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MyScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70448&oldid=70447 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+113) 10/* Variables */ < 1584826692 275456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1584832188 397987 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi NICK :Deewiant < 1584834011 723679 :wlp1s1!iczero@hellomouse/dev/iczero NICK :iczero