00:00:55 <zzo38> Some cellular automata are Turing complete.
00:03:05 <Antebrationist> Okay. I know that there are 2^256 2d automata, and 2^268435456 3d cellular automata, but what exactly makes a CA turing complete?
00:05:40 <Cale> Antebrationist: The arguments usually involve implementing circuits somehow. Also, there are more cellular automata than that if you consider more states per cell or larger/differently shaped neighbourhoods.
00:07:14 <Cale> Antebrationist: It's basically not easy to check whether any particular cellular automaton is Turing complete, and the manner in which the equivalence is carried out might be different each time.
00:07:41 <Antebrationist> Okay, so there is no known general solution.
00:13:02 <Cale> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8unMqSp0bFY
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02:19:27 <zzo38> Do you think this is good? http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/artifact/ea9d27eca03edd9c
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03:17:19 <Antebrationist> zzo38, finished the Minsky Machine.
03:17:32 <Antebrationist> Thanks for all the help.
03:17:46 <Antebrationist> It really helped me to understand the alternate state transitions.
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03:58:37 <zzo38> I got a PCRE error 
03:58:46 <zzo38> I got a PCRE error "internal error: previously-checked referenced subpattern not found (at 39)".
03:59:37 <shachaf> Uh oh.
04:01:03 <zzo38> That is even though I have no back references
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04:01:42 <zzo38> Nevertheless, getting rid of the PCRE_NO_AUTO_CAPTURE option fixed it, somehow.
04:01:43 <Antebrationist> I've used up an A2 sheet of paper planning the Minsky machine, and now I'm just copying it to a text file.
04:02:11 <zzo38> But do you know why it is? The regular expression is: (?<!\[)(\(([^()]++|(?1))+\))(?![^{]*\})
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04:26:49 <moony> I think i'm going to go on a little halting adventure
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04:34:26 <zzo38> Why does Wizards of the Coast use an inconsistent file format for the rules?
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05:27:31 <Antebrationist> zzo38, Here is the sprunge for the unfinished Minsky.
05:27:32 <Antebrationist> http://sprunge.us/zICJfl
05:28:10 <Antebrationist> What do you think so far?
05:28:31 <Antebrationist> It's currently broken, and I've linked a few bits together, but you get the ideas.
05:28:51 <zzo38> I don't know right now.
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05:29:09 <zzo38> (I did look, though)
06:01:43 <zzo38> Why does aplay have a assertion error if it is interrupted after the music has finished?
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09:27:29 <shachaf> `5 w
09:27:33 <HackEso> 1/1:study//A study is mostly useless until backed up by further studies. See studies. \ `whoops//`whoops is a repluralizer. \ gentlebeing//A gentlebeing is a gender and species neutral gentleman. \ xyzzy//Nothing happens. \ stephen wolfram//Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him.
09:27:45 <shachaf> `? studies
09:27:46 <HackEso> Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. These two studies agree, but were secretly paid for by the same company.
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12:57:54 <zseri> I think in befinde, some loop "against" the indirection count would be nice...
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13:44:36 <orbitaldecay> zseri: could you elaborate? like a loop that checks the indirection count as a condition?
14:02:17 <zseri> yes.
14:08:30 <zseri> that is needed because there is no other way to check the indirection count without possibily causing UB or crashing the interpreter (I don't really want commands that silently 'do nothing' because then reverse operations could do unintended stuff)...
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15:18:57 <orbitaldecay> You could just code so that the data pointer is always 0, that way when you do [&] it breaks out of the loop when the level of indirection is 0
15:19:43 <orbitaldecay> that doesn't work in &bf, but it works in befinde
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15:20:42 <zseri> nope, it doesn't, because you would need to know where the cell 0 is, to decrement it to zero before [&].
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15:21:44 <zseri> And you *need* a data pointer != 0 to be able to access cells different than cell 0.
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15:26:55 <orbitaldecay> *>>*>&
15:27:04 <orbitaldecay> the data pointer is always 0, but you increment cell 2
15:27:34 <orbitaldecay> unless you're doing something way different from what I'm doing
15:27:53 <orbitaldecay> oh that's right, you're memory mapping your data pointer
15:27:54 <orbitaldecay> hmm
15:28:13 <orbitaldecay> yeah that's problematic
15:30:04 <zseri> I modified my befinde interpreter, so that loops can access variables "out-of-bounds" (e.g. negative cell positions), but only in the loop condition, they always terminate the loop...
15:31:20 <zseri> I have no idea if that has any benefit... Maybe one could set _[0]=1; _[1]=-x or such...
15:34:46 <zseri> (it has one benefit: some programs run a few more stmts before panicking)...
15:44:53 <esowiki> [[&brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71729&oldid=71701 * Orby * (+566) Documenting reversible variant
16:10:52 <esowiki> [[&brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71730&oldid=71729 * Orby * (+237) 
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18:34:55 <rain1> Has there been any updates on picofuck?
18:35:32 <orbitaldecay> rain1: there haven't been. I've been playing around with some different ideas
18:35:47 <orbitaldecay> specifically &brainfuck
18:36:02 <orbitaldecay> any progress on your side?
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18:36:43 <rain1> nothing more than what I said the other day
18:36:52 <rain1> what did you mean by "&brainfuck"
18:37:06 <rain1> the problem is very interesting and i want to work on it more
18:37:11 <orbitaldecay> https://esolangs.org/wiki/%26brainfuck
18:37:27 <orbitaldecay> I also find the picofuck problem very interesting and want to work on it more
18:37:50 <orbitaldecay> I have kind of a fuzzy idea for a potential way to get picofuck to work
18:38:27 <rain1> aha that is a wonderful idea
18:38:31 <rain1> reference brainfuck
18:38:39 <rain1> Cool! Good luck!
18:38:56 <orbitaldecay> if one instruction incremented a counter, and the other instruction was an interpreter that executed the instruction referenced by the interpreter, it might be kind of a cheaty way to get it to work
18:39:22 <orbitaldecay> so, writing an rbf self interpreter might be a start
18:42:10 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/XShell]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71740 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1518) Created page with "=Pyvix= '''Pyvix''' is an esolang usable by the XShell operating system (XOS).  ==Learn by examples== ===Hello World===  get_os().exec("echo Hello World") Or:  get_os().cmd("e..."
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18:46:12 <orbitaldecay> I need to finally write an rbf interpreter
18:46:39 <orbitaldecay> Semordnilap is basically the same language and I've written an interpreter for that
18:51:27 <orbitaldecay> rain1: I have an idea for picofuck. I will type it up on the discussion page now.
18:52:14 <orbitaldecay> oh, I see you are already thinking along the same lines I am
18:52:24 <orbitaldecay> let me digest what you've written
18:55:51 <orbitaldecay> wait, are you salpynx on the wiki?
18:57:31 <rain1> no 
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19:01:56 <esowiki> [[Unary Filesystem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71742&oldid=71741 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-9) 
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19:07:13 <orbitaldecay> Hmm, I wonder if they hang out on IRC. Have you read their comments?
19:08:12 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71744&oldid=71549 * Orby * (+1320) 
19:09:07 <esowiki> [[User talk:Salpynx]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71745&oldid=59140 * Orby * (+142) 
19:09:24 <esowiki> [[User talk:Salpynx]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71746&oldid=71745 * Orby * (+69) 
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19:13:50 <int-e> Hmm. I think this was the last time they were here: https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-02-05.html#ljc
19:14:57 <orbitaldecay> thanks!
19:15:09 <orbitaldecay> I left a message on their talk page, hopefully we get to catch up
19:18:19 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71747&oldid=71744 * Orby * (+327) /* More ideas in the Salpynx vein */
19:22:57 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71748&oldid=71747 * Orby * (+401) /* Discussion */
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19:26:24 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71749&oldid=71586 * Orby * (+48) Changing equivalence back to isomorphism
19:28:56 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71750&oldid=71748 * Orby * (+441) 
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19:46:38 <esowiki> [[User:Orby]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71752&oldid=71694 * Orby * (+30) 
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20:12:51 <moony> Took long enough. https://i.imgur.com/DsaxQdn.png
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20:44:01 <orbitaldecay> this picofuck problem is driving me completely up a wall
20:45:16 <orbitaldecay> and I don't think anyone is on who is interested in talking about it
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20:49:53 <moony> orbitaldecay: hm?
20:50:07 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71756&oldid=71749 * Orby * (-35) Rewording for brevity
20:50:24 <moony> oh, i probably can't even help now that I look
20:50:26 <moony> sorry
20:50:52 <orbitaldecay> No worries. It's a tricky problem.
20:51:55 <zzo38> What problem is that?
20:53:21 <orbitaldecay> picofuck
20:53:36 <orbitaldecay> 2 command "simple translation" of reversible bitfuck
20:53:53 <orbitaldecay> a hypothetical language that I still haven't proven or disproven the existence of
20:54:36 <orbitaldecay> I spent some time thinking about it in 2017 and recently revisited the idea
20:56:31 <zzo38> OK
20:58:19 <esowiki> [[Nanofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71757&oldid=71589 * Orby * (-1) /* Definition */
20:58:42 <esowiki> [[Nanofuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71758&oldid=71757 * Orby * (-67) /* Machine */
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21:25:58 <kspalaiologos> I wonder, is there a general consensus does one need a license or permission to own a trebuchet or a ballista
21:26:22 <kspalaiologos> What about using them, is there a country where siege weapons are legal?
22:05:05 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71759&oldid=71753 * Orby * (+1466) /* More thoughts on isomorphism */
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22:24:55 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71761&oldid=71760 * Emerald * (+11) /* Introductions */
22:28:25 <esowiki> [[User:Emerald]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71762 * Emerald * (+151) Made the page
22:37:44 <esowiki> [[Dig]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71763 * Emerald * (+159) Made page
22:39:12 <esowiki> [[Dig]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71764&oldid=71763 * Emerald * (+10) Fix category
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22:57:25 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71765&oldid=71756 * Orby * (+869) Providing examples. Generalizing definition.
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23:01:59 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71766&oldid=71765 * Orby * (+162) injective and surjective
23:02:42 <zzo38> The effective use of rainbow energy in Pokemon card: http://zzo38computer.org/img_1D/rainbowenergy0.png
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23:18:29 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71767&oldid=71766 * Orby * (+1362) /* Examples */
23:21:54 <zzo38> Do you like Pokemon card?
23:25:15 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71768&oldid=71767 * Orby * (-3) /* Another example */
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23:31:49 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71769&oldid=71768 * Orby * (-107) /* Another example */ Fixing error
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23:53:32 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71770&oldid=71769 * Orby * (+79) 
23:53:58 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/2001]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71771 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+860) Created page with "'''2001: An Esolang Odyssey''' is a programming language for HAL 9000 computers developed by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Syntax== When HAL executes a 2001 program, he..."
23:54:37 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/2001]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71772&oldid=71771 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+31)