< 1588896522 395806 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de QUIT :Quit: zseri < 1588896579 181301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, and he's doing namespace violation too < 1588896642 782172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp_add is used as the name of an extern in C namespace in both libtom and bellard's libbf, for incompatible things. I guess he thought that libtom was already so namespace-clashing (it defines functions that clash with gmp) that it deserves this. < 1588897063 858922 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1588897176 908031 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588897289 941557 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see conversations about rewriting and I get excited. < 1588897460 933843 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're free software, so I can rename extern identifiers and recompile if I ever want to link these together < 1588897702 96813 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try not to add too many dependencies, in order to avoid such thing, as well as other problems < 1588897825 99134 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's unlikely that I'd ever want to link any two of these together < 1588897844 395732 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could happen if I link together other bigger libraries that link them < 1588897857 128487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, still unlikely > 1588898007 849991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71943&oldid=71939 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-139) 10 < 1588898033 543086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: note though that I started to look at bellard's libbf exactly because it's a much smaller dependency than even MPIR < 1588898060 701406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it is also worse in some respects than MPIR+MPFR, you can't expect it to do everything those larger libraries can do < 1588898098 645464 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, it's also smaller than libtom or boost multiprecision) > 1588898216 377636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71944&oldid=71943 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+288) 10/* Streets */ < 1588898364 187206 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be possible to fork the file if needed and if possible, to use #define commands to rename the functions. (Depending on the program, it might work.) < 1588899344 822446 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1588899413 163737 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588899459 448648 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the computer sounds like one of the fans keeps going faster and slower? The sensors doesn't mention that < 1588900098 291525 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whatever it is, the temperature seems to be unaffected, including the hard drive temperature.) < 1588900110 710140 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The fan speed as reported by computer also seems to be unaffected.) < 1588900142 36868 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan speed is usually variable. < 1588900153 540587 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need something running to constantly remove heat if your load is low. < 1588900323 919312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but does it usually adjust the speed that fast? On my computer it sometimes does but not always. < 1588900385 144412 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's under high load, then yes, fans typically spin to remove heat. < 1588900538 605731 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although as I said, it seems to be independent of the temperature and of the system load, as far as I can tell. < 1588900700 643527 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably monitor your system. < 1588900749 911082 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way? < 1588900778 149389 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have temperature and system load displayed at all times, together with the RAM usage, current date/time, and number of email messages. < 1588901036 308154 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that'd be the thing you'd want to monitor. graph the temp and load over time. < 1588901047 788888 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fan speed if you have a monitor. < 1588901267 853393 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a monitor for CPU fan speed and CHASSIS1 fan speed; it also says CHASSIS2 fan speed and POWER fan speed but those last two always report zero and have always done so (maybe it is unable to measure the fan speed), and that was the case on all of my previous computers too. < 1588901846 473742 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1588902415 110145 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1588902802 15155 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check for dust < 1588903288 959409 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't open the computer. What is the best way to clean the dust once I do open it? < 1588903376 347143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crazy and use a vacuum cleaner. < 1588903487 464181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are probably specialized devices (some sort of brush with protection against electrostatic buildup with a small vaccum attached cleaner maybe) < 1588903527 616420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuum attached cleaner... embrace the new word order. < 1588903573 90266 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long will it take for mail to reach to Canada from New York? < 1588903583 296713 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now due to the virus) < 1588903634 451886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( www.usps.com ) < 1588903673 179321 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we ain't google. < 1588903926 808348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1588904430 812591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1588910468 884822 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric > 1588911230 552389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71945&oldid=71797 5* 03Ais523 5* (+825) 10/* Thoughts on generalized simple translations */ it could affect parsing < 1588913264 807473 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1588914586 31320 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What interval should I use to make a graph of temperature and system load? < 1588914734 673112 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will go in bed, but maybe tomorrow I might do that < 1588919341 824530 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588919557 850201 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1588920596 389262 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588923171 244155 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1588923227 87866 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1588928028 936286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1588928057 529672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I sample every 5 seconds for my graphs. < 1588928077 883203 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588929734 714973 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1588929735 364346 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588929815 277549 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1588931050 497381 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out this group theory < 1588931055 905166 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higman%27s_embedding_theorem < 1588931063 104621 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.02036 < 1588931722 707590 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation_of_a_group#Novikov%E2%80%93Boone_theorem < 1588931902 828327 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1588932091 861017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1588933259 34043 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1588933719 994955 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1588934192 612903 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1588934593 690997 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1588935851 45602 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1588935962 834581 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1588936084 836171 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1588936118 901128 :opticnerve!~opticnerv@host4-129-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1588936308 356368 :sprock1em!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1588936312 829555 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1588937232 831498 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588940083 809831 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588940150 118174 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1588940383 800332 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1588940390 981544 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric < 1588942530 738760 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK < 1588944235 641355 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588944354 414148 :sprock1em!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1588944467 843359 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1588946567 130783 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhojociodjhdagbx JOIN :#esoteric < 1588946703 144684 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:68ec:ec92:4ea5:86f9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1588949675 844311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1588949810 974218 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5500:1593:557c:1efb JOIN :#esoteric < 1588949988 358336 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588951513 854706 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it necessary to check if the program overslept? < 1588953471 348141 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi! How was your post about pi calculus been called? I remember you told about it something interesting and linked to the post with Haskell translation or something, and there was a helpful example to understand how the calculus works at all; I tried to tell a friend about the calculus and I think this example would be very helpful < 1588953570 796425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried to search for it in my browser history and didn’t find anything) < 1588953622 98811 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi arseniiv! http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2011/09/lambda-to-pi.html < 1588953651 312339 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a pi-calculus interpreter in Haskell, and a lamba calculus to pi calculus compiler < 1588953670 972311 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I forgot that was your blog < 1588953671 10460 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you like, hope your friend likes it too < 1588953684 939675 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my old blog :) < 1588953688 411956 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thank you very much! < 1588953688 482637 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new blog is https://kmcallister.github.io/skywave/ < 1588953697 949910 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have different interests now < 1588953707 962299 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the old one was still pretty eclectic < 1588953711 422548 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes I know that :) < 1588953720 86963 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about writing another blog post soon actuall < 1588953724 604272 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :More just, I forgot the pairing < 1588953757 635255 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe about mushroom growing < 1588953769 647225 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe documenting one of my ham radio projects from long ago that i never did a proper writeup for < 1588953770 124833 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1588953912 320110 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, obl. hi, how are you doing this morning?) < 1588953936 298387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe about mushroom growing => with mushroom photos? < 1588953962 317184 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe! mushrooms are very photogenic! < 1588953969 691840 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm can one grow a Befunge interpreter at home ) < 1588954023 763032 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/eL4dgHC < 1588954111 495561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fungal Computers Inc. 'Computers that grow on you'" < 1588954123 800087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote https://www.bedroomlan.org/hardware/fungus/d/figure/default/1024w/fungal-growth-83.png < 1588954123 901856 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :love it < 1588954179 949812 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I’m slightly afraid of mold: what would happen if I’ll breathe in its spores unknowingly?) < 1588954216 473388 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll become a cyborg, i guess < 1588954272 160191 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a cordyceps-style drone or smth < 1588954579 665317 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1588954591 350533 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah spores can make you sick < 1588954596 557505 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom farmer's lung is a thing < 1588954777 673468 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just tossed out a big batch of mold :( < 1588954797 277982 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be vigilant, once you start growing mold it only makes the problem worse :( < 1588954804 539794 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch mold < 1588954831 290485 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm doing well this morning, how bout you? < 1588954904 175196 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing alright! Kinda chill day at work today (read: I'm on IRC) and not hurting as much as I was yesterday < 1588954958 227152 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, ooof. Mold instead of mushrooms :( no fun < 1588955119 915643 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: pikhq: now how do I tell which one without experiencing it irreparably? :S < 1588955198 28862 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1588955234 772672 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only mycologist-adjacent, but I think that's gonna be a matter of using a microscope to examine the mold to hopefully identify the species < 1588955256 479878 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otoh, honestly, if it's mold maybe just don't risk it. < 1588955261 888918 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyborg seems way cooler than control by fungi. Hm wait it can be both at the same time and it will be dangerous, we are borg and all that < 1588955266 119794 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are generally not good things for people. < 1588955307 862440 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, cordyceps is only that bad for, like, arthropods < 1588955330 979541 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, when I throw out something with mold inside, I’ll then wash my hands and face and even mouth < 1588955337 320244 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :But idk, maybe you're a spider that speaks English < 1588955363 225436 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m a google crawler^W^W^W^W wait have I said anything < 1588955424 595041 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk, I could admit to weirder < 1588955993 18860 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1588955997 839430 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1588958420 318975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Maadneet 5* 10New user account > 1588958678 711669 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71946&oldid=71761 5* 03Maadneet 5* (+276) 10/* Introductions */ > 1588961081 593093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71947&oldid=71944 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+84) 10/* Ambiguous turns */ < 1588961376 221783 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1588961981 103935 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetratrary/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71948&oldid=71942 5* 03Tetratrary 5* (-2464) 10 < 1588962745 241864 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mhojociodjhdagbx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1588963477 877110 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1588963693 835454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1588963707 474780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07&brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71949&oldid=71730 5* 03Zseri 5* (+1) 10/* See also */ update absolute-addrs repo url < 1588963734 309001 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1588963813 782575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1588964525 382675 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point there was a Tcl NPAPI plugin, for viewing "Tclets", Tcl applets on the web. Some of those have graphics, stored in text format in the Tcl < 1588964578 128930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kiblerelectronics.com/tcl/sol.tcl < 1588964588 88786 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kiblerelectronics.com/tcl/plugin_sol.html < 1588964975 157441 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how different the world would be if Tcl took off in that format < 1588965026 843404 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 JOIN :#esoteric > 1588965560 240954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71950&oldid=71728 5* 03Zseri 5* (-3) 10update repo url < 1588965584 848379 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's safer than Java. Tcl has "safe interpreter" features, I don't know how good they are. < 1588965742 498537 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world needs a sandboxed language. < 1588965757 488814 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasm is trying to be that. < 1588965765 153901 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle they let you restrict all I/O and run untrusted code. However, while the overall quality of the Tcl codebase is quite high IMO, it hasn't really faced a lot of real world attack or abuse. < 1588965786 745804 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wouldn't be shocked if that is vulnerable to malicious code. < 1588965940 440656 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some issues with wasm, but I kinda hope it takes off. < 1588965986 751292 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not literally ideal, but it is the one attempt at a standard language-agnostic sandboxable runtime that seems like it has the traction to succeed. < 1588966364 543223 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should try compiling Tcl with Emscripten < 1588966379 794428 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ... taking the Tclem stuff someone else did and extend it to behave like the plugin < 1588966431 408106 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah this doesn't have Tk https://aidanhs.github.io/emtcl/ < 1588966573 362995 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasm is what I'd call a transitional technology, much like asm.js was. < 1588966586 761233 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1588966608 151285 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it has enough traction, it'll be surpassed, and we'll get new toolchains for the thing that surpasses it. < 1588966613 605959 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I hope... < 1588967560 779243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( cute, this site wanted to load a script from undefined.undefined... ) > 1588967582 160429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71951 5* 03Orby 5* (+2782) 10Creating Esowar page > 1588967705 604012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71952&oldid=71951 5* 03Orby 5* (+122) 10 < 1588967823 432778 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1588967833 440958 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1588967835 614661 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody wanna play a brainfuck style core war game? < 1588967889 303297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's bfjoust < 1588968055 895661 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar in concept, but esowar has the program and data on the same tape < 1588968067 950860 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing for self modifying code and other tricks < 1588968118 546746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that deal with []? < 1588968137 439813 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is no matching bracket it's treated as a nop < 1588968162 770375 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your question? < 1588968169 863339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And [ scans forward and ] scans backward at the time the instruction is executed? < 1588968175 213547 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1588968184 82974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, makes sense. < 1588968208 886245 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the objective in esowar is to get your opponent to execute the "die" instruction < 1588968235 914943 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1588968257 772716 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most obvious way of doing so is to overwrite the tape with the die instruction and hope you don't suicide, but the ideas are endless < 1588968314 914704 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1588968494 309546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71953&oldid=71952 5* 03Orby 5* (+66) 10 > 1588968511 738644 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71954&oldid=71953 5* 03Orby 5* (+2) 10/* See also */ < 1588968617 371323 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1588968702 16851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My feeling is that brainfuck is too slow for this kind of stuff. [[+>]+] will disrupt a lot of programs without producing a die instruction... so expect many draws? < 1588968805 131171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that feeling wrong if it's just those 7 symbols. (Can you assign them values so it's clear what + does to them?) < 1588968851 156520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I can guess that r = 0, d = 1, and so on, but I shouldn't have to guess :) ) < 1588969049 184483 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric > 1588969056 880084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71955&oldid=71954 5* 03Int-e 5* (+60) 10/* Introduction */ values < 1588969124 885924 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1588969202 567607 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for updating it :) The example is very effective at producing quick wins / suicides [+]+[<[+]+] < 1588969232 902649 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on adding detection for it's own base to that so it doesn't suicide < 1588969316 120128 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[+>]+] would be effective at producing draws too < 1588969341 561846 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not before a [+]+[<[+]+] produced a whole bunch of die instructions that you'd eventually hit < 1588969835 243523 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1588969913 17566 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea was that [[+>]+] would move faster than [<[+]+]. < 1588969924 89407 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But meh. I'm probably not getting into this anyway. < 1588969937 329048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resisted core wars, I mostly resisted bfjoust. I can resist this. < 1588969965 867856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Espoecially because I have plenty of other things to ponder. < 1588970208 817047 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1588970219 388051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for what it's worth, I expected there to be more than one no-op when I suggested it. < 1588970256 813245 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588970734 22312 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1588970747 450483 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1588971190 983366 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I thought of something which turns out to be the same as a "LOOP" programming language on Wikipedia, with the same set of commands, but a different syntax. However, today I found that they already did that (although with the different syntax than I have). > 1588971279 503263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71956&oldid=71947 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+838) 10/* Streets */ > 1588971475 84045 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71957&oldid=71956 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+169) 10/* Infinite loop */ > 1588971507 169200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71958&oldid=71957 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+60) 10/* Streets */ < 1588971604 822754 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric > 1588971647 591178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zax2002 5* 10New user account < 1588971669 395095 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1588971835 656858 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1588972324 568304 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71959&oldid=71946 5* 03Zax2002 5* (+109) 10/* Introductions */ > 1588972444 547235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71960&oldid=71959 5* 03Zax2002 5* (+60) 10/* Introductions */ < 1588972983 672185 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1588973115 409161 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1588973155 791496 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1588974159 517212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71961&oldid=71650 5* 03Zax2002 5* (+123) 10/* Normal implementations */ > 1588975091 271953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71962&oldid=71892 5* 03Emerald 5* (+315) 10Added operations < 1588975120 858450 :opticnerve!~opticnerv@host4-129-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1588975446 782575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1588976581 833833 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.13.161.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1588976761 780452 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1588979449 786008 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhini < 1588979455 533791 :shikhini!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1588981228 811644 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.13.161.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1588981639 74779 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de QUIT :Quit: zseri < 1588981643 436803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a graph of the temperature and system load average, although it is still recording (I set it to record for 24 hours). < 1588982246 784914 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds