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> 1588293516 583322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cortex language 3A14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71538&oldid=71537 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Syntax */
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< 1588296538 18431 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a BF variant that executes the program in an implicit loop and only has if-blocks in the language?
< 1588296605 982933 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be TC too
< 1588296717 582546 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :L00P is close
< 1588296811 117348 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: it's hard to tell, as there are so many bf variants out there and it's hard to search their docs
< 1588296824 105676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you ensure that the implicit loop is executed at least once... (an implicit while loop on an empty tape of 0s is a bit useless)...
< 1588296826 21224 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a variant that you can reasonably consider
< 1588296886 938719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A large part of Brainfuck programming is getting out of loops :P
< 1588296927 225268 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool cool
< 1588296932 830537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that's offset by having just one loop... so I'll not make any claims about which flavor is easier to use :P
< 1588297023 898520 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: The printable subset of x86 assembly
< 1588297030 195563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no doubt that this is TC. With unbounded cells you should get a nice Minsky machine implementation; with bounded cells a more cumbersome Turing machine.
< 1588297044 509360 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 machine code rather
< 1588297061 894850 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA_DrBwkiJA&feature=youtu.be
< 1588297062 338798 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: hahaha, in an implicit loop that would be great
> 1588297096 172483 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Spssyy 5*  10New user account
< 1588297106 286622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: yeah that one is quite awkward unless you allow run-time patching of the code to arbitrary values.
< 1588297121 182191 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an implicit loop if you're in the right mode
< 1588297146 700603 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I remember playing around with printable machine code in the context of writing shell code to sneak into text fields that are validated
< 1588297156 38152 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :In another life...
< 1588297196 994479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if" should be called "affine while".
< 1588297214 674717 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: ah yes, those php thingies that "validate" input by grepping for SQL keywords and for a less than sign followed by a letter, and then using them as unfiltered SQL or HTML if they don't contain them
< 1588297218 678973 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotto love those
< 1588297226 367835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has all four: do/while (relevant), if (affine), while, and a plain block.
< 1588297226 611983 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha indeed
< 1588297229 293798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :iffing whale
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< 1588297256 684968 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night all
< 1588297360 47810 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: for printable x86 code, see https://esolangs.org/wiki/ABC_(compiler)
< 1588297383 771663 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: That video I linked is where tom7 describes a C compiler he wrote which produces this weird printable assembly, and he makes use of the fact that if your address is in the top 16bit region and you issue the right kind of jump instruction, the instruction pointer gets ANDed with 0xffff automatically
< 1588297393 87956 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how he does loops
< 1588297397 105200 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the loops
< 1588297402 78465 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to be that one
< 1588297437 440902 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, printable machine code, I keep saying assembly :)
< 1588297441 985964 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: right, the compiler is the one I just linked to
< 1588297446 513005 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:c15e:8fc9:96ef:8ba2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
> 1588297459 699925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71540&oldid=71470 5* 03Spssyy 5* (+199) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1588297823 933821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Spssyy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71541 5* 03Spssyy 5* (+439) 10Created page with "I am spssyy. I will frequently update this list below when I publish a new Esolang. I had written the documentation for Superset (formerly Brainfuck 3.0, now docs were deleted..."
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> 1588299920 381772 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71542&oldid=71524 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2880) 10PF using a RBF self-interpreter (hypothetical)
> 1588300649 841389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71543&oldid=71542 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+272) 10/* PF attempt, using a hypothetical RBF self-interpreter */  fix encoding convention
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< 1588301833 935505 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.
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> 1588302440 891978 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71544&oldid=71543 5* 03Ais523 5* (+768) 10/* Notes on conjecture */ my thoughts on this
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< 1588303061 575986 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what Forth would be like if Chuck Moore didn't favor a stack as the method of manipulating data, and instead used something like registers.
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< 1588303092 25042 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just straight up memory. it'd probably require a little more parsing.
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< 1588303524 74314 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you'd have an actual format/"grammar", there. it'd probably just be assembly language with fancier blocks.
< 1588303735 760229 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_triggered_architecture neat article.
< 1588303835 387847 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transport triggered architecture is something I have also once thought of before I know what it is called, and I once tried to design the electronics schematic for a computer that is based on transport triggered architecture
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> 1588305355 881168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alan Turing14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71545 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+870) 10Created page with "{{stub}} '''Alan Mathison Turing''' was a mathematician, philosopher, cryptographer, and pioneering computer scientist. "Turing" is surely the most common name mentioned on th..."
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> 1588305566 167073 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lambda calculus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71546&oldid=66658 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+1262) 10Rewrote the start to be a better introduction
< 1588305618 687992 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though Adobe does not want to invent level 4 PostScript, I think that level 4 PostScript should be invented, including such thing as transparency, automatic allocation of strings and arrays for some operators if you pass null instead of a preallocated string or array, commands to access font metrics, and some of the features of Ghostscript (such as makeimagedevice and %pipe%), and allowing dictionaries in binary object format.
> 1588305680 435761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lambda calculus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71547&oldid=71546 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+42) 10Added a heading to break up wall of text
> 1588305735 466015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lambda calculus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71548&oldid=71547 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+18) 10Added another heading because the text was still to much like a wall
< 1588305904 359722 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a JBIG2 decoding filter.
> 1588306638 970321 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71549&oldid=71544 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1229) 10/* PF attempt, using a hypothetical RBF self-interpreter */ details of the hypothetical command
> 1588306957 930692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lambda calculus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71550&oldid=71548 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+1093) 10/* Introduction */ Broke down some of the more complex notation for beginners
< 1588307229 9125 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :transport triggered architecture seems to be "imperative dataflow programming".
> 1588307516 587679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alan Mathison Turing14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71551 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+25) 10Redirected page to [[Alan Turing]]
> 1588307573 36435 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71552&oldid=55858 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+53) 10
> 1588307630 603936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71553&oldid=67049 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+4) 10Networking, i.e. adding a link
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< 1588309319 86448 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the bot esowiki do?
< 1588309744 991569 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it report edits?
< 1588309783 408119 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also zzo38 I found an "amusing" program
< 1588309796 907826 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :V2+2=4<OUTPUT
< 1588309816 190515 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably guess exactly what it does easily.
< 1588309971 947824 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1588309982 445700 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1588309995 729273 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading a codegolf, and that was my program.
< 1588310035 961620 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I found an xkcd that I think is relevant for this channel. https://xkcd.com/1782/
< 1588310211 945161 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that before
< 1588310224 941730 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang.
< 1588310738 15379 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently working on TeXnicard, working on the random deck mode.
< 1588310938 568830 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to make up Magic: the Gathering cards and puzzles?
< 1588310946 845943 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little.
< 1588310967 819226 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was interested in it at one point, but never really got around to it.
< 1588310998 832246 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some puzzles of Magic: the Gathering myself too. I also set up a NNTP to discuss such things.
< 1588311011 769447 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice.
< 1588311319 947524 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.2 and you can try different numbers at the end for different puzzles.
< 1588311372 917261 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is the goal?
< 1588311380 922646 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just the play MTG?
< 1588311386 299307 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To win the game, of course.
< 1588311396 865227 :Train!ca9a86ce@202-154-134-206.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
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< 1588311875 120652 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question about the rules of Magic: the Gathering, that I wonder if someone on here knows the answer. If during a subgame your opponent concedes the subgame, are you allowed to choose to concede the subgame yourself too at the same time, so that neither player wins the subgame?
< 1588311911 986765 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anybody want to do that?
< 1588312097 951511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are trying to half your life points in the main game, after either you manage to do something in the subgame to take cards out of the main game, in which case your opponent doesn't need to concede, or else your opponent also concedes the subgame which would also half your opponent's points and would be an alternative way to reach the goal, either way requiring your own life points half too.
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< 1588312908 244159 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone managed to make a satisfying Babson task in Magic: the Gathering?
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< 1588314184 392512 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train: esowiki reports edits, and it may also be the bot that gets the logs for https://esolangs.org/logs/all.html most of the time 
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< 1588315086 460453 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a while since I've spoken in here
< 1588315103 245546 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've been working on a DEC VAX emulator (as the SIMH one is nigh unreadable and I needed something to do)
< 1588315127 340416 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I finally have it in a state where I can extend it to be a full VAX implementation'
< 1588315179 924794 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to take about 25-35ns per instruction right now with the MMU disabled (checks for it exist, but if it was enabled the program would crash as it's unimplemented.)
< 1588315481 218835 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :also frankly my timing test is very crude :P
< 1588315507 196079 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you implement the extensions? http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ian/Computer_architectures#Some_ideas_of_mine
< 1588315530 860545 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/moonheart08/emutk/tree/master/emutk-vax if any reader is interested. Code's spaghetti but it works. Hmmm?
< 1588315533 715218 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks
< 1588315571 782006 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also it's very early in-dev
< 1588315578 577349 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all instrs are implemented (only a small subset)
< 1588315581 640499 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1588315608 41694 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :> code to be run from the registers
< 1588315609 745189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1588315609 745238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     • Variable not in scope:
< 1588315609 745250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         code
< 1588315623 218792 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd require me to upturn my entire execution model, I think i'm good :P
< 1588315641 440998 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :> PC shenanigins
< 1588315642 231728 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, well, maybe once all of the instructions is implemented, then you can also add a option to make these extensions (or at least some of them), maybe
< 1588315643 776222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1588315643 826717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Data constructor not in scope: PC :: t0 -> terror: Variable not in scope...
< 1588315656 822615 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't stop you. (you can already muck with PC, the emulator won't crash on you)
< 1588315672 998615 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only UB, not impossible
< 1588315678 138409 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was easier for me to allow it
< 1588315726 970618 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to hold off on implementing instrs that need software float for a godo bit. We'll see.
< 1588315733 401253 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you implement the microcodes?
< 1588315738 999979 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likely not.
< 1588315750 201417 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :goal is just the ISA, really
< 1588315777 446130 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again, microcode would require a bunch of execution model redesigns and it'd be much much slower
< 1588315844 291265 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re your question about subgames, I don't know the answer, but I decided that I gave up trying to understand the rules of subgames ever since they've been banned from Vintage
< 1588315853 164144 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also thanks for that page
< 1588315856 80707 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean banned from all supported non-un formats
< 1588315859 353142 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be giving it a good read
< 1588315869 117154 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly the same
< 1588316051 412022 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: extra thanks, it immediately made me aware of an unemulated edge-case (incrementing immediates actually works)
< 1588316062 24904 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or writing in general)
< 1588316221 877708 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing immediates is something that some of my own designs supported even before I knew about VAX, just because, to me it is make sense, if it is orthogonal. However, on 6502 the instructions to write immediates don't work, and instead will result in reading immediate (and ignoring the value), it would seem to me.
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< 1588316310 165378 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it did work, it might be a good way to do bank switching in Famicom, when using a suitable mapper.)
< 1588316376 131542 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1588316378 595799 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1588316398 116262 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering rearranging my bus model so the bus is the "master" for everything, and the VAX CPU is just a device on it..
< 1588316403 560759 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may allow the addressable register thing
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< 1588316450 979602 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, it is banned in Vintage, but not in "pseudo-Vintage"
< 1588316513 166413 :Train!ca9a8784@202-154-135-132.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, should I upload the interpreter to sprunge?
< 1588316517 168440 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :really if I did that model rearranging the addressable registers would come naturally anyways
< 1588316527 119192 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1588316555 399895 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be in violation of DEC's design manuals for obvious reasons (if i modified MOVAx)
< 1588316597 609725 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :could make it a cfg flag
< 1588316600 49747 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for fun
< 1588316608 151818 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train: Yes, probably. (I should also think to put the documentation in esolang wiki)
< 1588316628 65274 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probablymoony: Making it a configuration option is what I suggested
< 1588316629 791358 :Train!ca9a8784@202-154-135-132.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588316662 544752 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads up
< 1588316664 888819 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, you did
< 1588316708 852945 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also am I the only one who finds the SIMH implementation of the VAX unreadable? I haven't cross-referenced with it at all because I just can't read it's SRC :T
< 1588316741 14524 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I didn't look at the SIMH.
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< 1588316885 529211 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, if I were to make MOVAx work for registers i'd probably want to make rn[rx] work too
> 1588316889 213185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PixelCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71554&oldid=59166 5* 03Voltage2007 5* (-579) 10this thing is a mess - Im fixing the rest of this tomorrow
< 1588316922 447911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ax already works for registers hth
< 1588316934 54261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov r, r/m
< 1588316937 400778 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm talking VAX :P
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< 1588317891 431996 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mention a variadic instruction mode. Z-machine has that; the EQUAL? instruction takes a variable number of operands. It succeeds if the first operand is equal to any one of the others.
< 1588318077 580179 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why one doesn't copy-paste: You may accidentially "fix" immediate mode to act like absolute mode
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< 1588318111 977376 :Train!ca9a8784@202-154-135-132.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you think of the program I sent you earlier, zzo38?
< 1588318146 586283 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just un-specialize immediate/absolute mode.
< 1588318256 249623 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :de-specialized, and even got a performance improvement with it :D
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< 1588318553 564388 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I learned something about the x86_64 intrinsics in clang and rust using llvm. there's no way to write x86_64-specific code to do a floating point addition (whether scalar or vector) with the SSE/AVX instructions and with the x86_64 rules in such a way that the optimizer can't swap the two input arguments of the addition even if it can't prove that that changes nothing, and get full optimization 
< 1588318559 572714 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the compiler. there's just no interface in llvm from this, regardless of what function and optimization flags you use.
< 1588318579 320155 :Train!ca9a8784@202-154-135-132.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, TIL.
< 1588318636 716678 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm is just allowed to swap the argument of the x86_64 intrinsics, and it doesn't matter whether you use the intel intrinsics, the rust interface for the same, or the gcc-style vector operators and builtins, and regardless of what optimization flags you use
< 1588318682 840984 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't ask about gcc, but gcc probably also doesn't have an interface for this, because the semantics for these sorts of things tend to have the same rules as in clang
< 1588318781 776922 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I want to do floating point addition with a deterministic SSE-style output when both arguments are NaN, either I have to add some extra computation, though in practice in most cases you can do that very efficiently, or write inline assembly or similar, in which case you lose on compiler optimizations.
< 1588318799 135726 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good to know, I didn't know how the semantics of those intrinsics worked.
< 1588319193 457730 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2!21
< 1588319193 671697 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 210
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< 1588322746 623009 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I thought I had something but as i try to work out the details it is falling apart
< 1588322769 735262 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we could try to make a simple translation by considering a mapping like this
< 1588322772 875905 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** -> [][][][]
< 1588322775 47253 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> [][]
< 1588322777 618705 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :** -> [][][]
< 1588322802 526963 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is a no-op, expect it sets flags (this would use scratch space on the tape so the tapes wouldn't be isomorphic)
< 1588322835 287100 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*) maps to [[][]] and (*()(**)) maps to [[][][[]][[][][]]] 
< 1588322890 567592 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to implement it, [ and ] would manipulate some flags on the tape and there would also be a stack of bits i think, which we can access by storing our the stack height and current tape location as unary (to be able to get back to place after working on the stack)
< 1588323100 129739 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  e e  e   e e e
< 1588323100 302464 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[][][[]][[][][]]]
< 1588323122 586834 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically we are analyzing the code as we execute it, empties are discovered and conditioned on to implement * from just []
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< 1588325289 469376 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting flags is not that easy. you need to manuever to the place where the flag is and back
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< 1588325568 711399 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i overlooked that, thank you
< 1588325599 867377 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need to translate to RBF with < and >
< 1588325753 395261 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-251-142.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an FPN (applicative) setting, "+12" is well-formed, as are "+1" and "+", but "12" is not. In an RPN (concatenative) setting, "12+" is well-formed, and so are "12" and "2+" and "+". BUT, "2+" and "+" are arguably not meaningful.
< 1588325888 639904 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-251-142.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There does seem to be an easy way to make a concatenative version of the SKI calculus, but it's also very cheap and unexciting. S: push S combinator on the stack. K: push K combinator on the stack. A: apply topmost combinator on the stack.
< 1588326043 149357 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-251-142.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the Concatentive Consternation for this morning, we now return you to your regular programming.
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< 1588332436 286764 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey <cpressey> BUT, "2+" and "+" are arguably not meaningful. => why not? "2+" adds 2 to the topmost stack element. If we have quotes, "[2+]" may be used somewhere a quote that changes the topmost elem is needed, e. g. in a looping contruct
< 1588332436 366845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1588333054 207092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: (non-volatile) inline asm looks like the perfect tool for this, AFAICT it suppresses exactly the compiler optimisations you want to suppress and no others
< 1588333162 470833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that the optimizer's assumptions for a non-volatile asm are that the same inputs always produce the same outputs and there are no side effects
< 1588333204 293101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are true for a non-associative floating point add, and I can't immediately think of any other properties it has
< 1588333233 344604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this is inherently system-specific, but arguably so is non-associative addition in the first plcae
< 1588333331 126650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I believe that the definition of a Babson task in M:tG should be a position where the opponent wishes for a card, and to win you have to wish for the same card
< 1588333352 848617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty of this would presumably depend on the content of the sideboards, but assuming 15 different cards, it seems very difficult unless you can compare the card names somehow
< 1588333359 291174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of what the cards are
< 1588333368 285051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as they're all wishable by the opponent)
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< 1588334139 382796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: the definition of "simple translation" strikes me as really important from the esoprogramming point of view, even outside any RBF-related contexts
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< 1588335371 881983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular: suppose we generalize the concept of "simple translation" slightly to allow the translation to put additional fixed strings at the start and end of the program, in addition to its other operations
< 1588335414 802628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this generalization, is it possible to find a simple translation between any two TC languages? I suspect the answer is "no, but there's a large subset consisting of most practical TC languages that can do it"
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< 1588335479 885189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case we've managed to identify a subset of TC languages which are in a sense more powerful than the others
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< 1588335674 570547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's also interesting to think about 2-command simple translations of other languages
< 1588335696 439309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underload, for example, it's fun to try to find a simple translation that handles the ( and ) pseudo-commands
< 1588335955 294220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjecture: there is no simple translation between brainfuck and Fractran
< 1588335976 28045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* no generalized simple translation
< 1588335997 156708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can do Fractran → BF, but it seems unlikely that you can do it the other way round)
< 1588336582 104553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the major requirement for permitting a generalized simple translation is having some sort of fairly traditional string literal
< 1588336608 934337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can do it in The Waterfall Model because you can have a large numeric literal that you parse the digits from (other than the last significant) at runtime
< 1588336637 627171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do it in BF because you can use >+>+++>++ etc. as a string literal equivalent
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< 1588336716 20021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a "made out of commands" string literal equivalent is enough
< 1588336737 621227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, trivially simple example that can't do it: Incident
< 1588336758 631642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no way to distinguish between the same section of source code repeated five times, or repeated six times
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> 1588338631 367176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71555&oldid=71553 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10remove red link
> 1588338900 461225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Disan count14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71556 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10Redirected page to [[Disan Count]]
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< 1588340302 517501 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: inline asm has the correct semantics for this. however, for inline asm, the compiler won't parse the assembly statement, so it won't know what instruction is inside it, and so can't use timing information to optimize an inner loop with such an asm correctly. inline asm works if you write the whole critical section in one big asm, or if you are using this outside of a critical section where 
< 1588340308 523947 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization isn't so important, but it won't replace intrinsics if I want to rely on the compiler to produce decent code. 
< 1588340391 498154 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, this is system-specific, in that there are three or four different rules for handling two NaN inputs in instructions. which is why I said I'm asking for this specifically to get the result that SSE/AVX instructions give, when generating code for x86_64 only.
< 1588340413 430420 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask the analogous question for ARM, but I'm much less familiar with ARM, so I didn't try to ask about that.
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< 1588340739 208486 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wish for the same card? it would be too much of cheating if you have a Homing Lightning and mana for it, and the opponent has an Asceticism ton of Clones and mana for them, right?
> 1588340983 247986 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Muriel14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71560&oldid=58467 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* String */
< 1588341011 930817 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a similar cheating solution that compares creature types, not names; and there are probably solutions that are slightly less cheating that compare a combination of colors, power/toughness, land types, it's just that it's hard to get a series of 15 cards by comparing just one of those, so you need more tricks.
< 1588341040 59980 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s"power/toughness"power/toughness, converted mana cost"
< 1588341092 987833 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably use converted mana cost only, using a card like Counterbalance
< 1588342015 771462 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: Sounds like you're having ideas!
< 1588342081 649559 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, simple translation seems to capture something significant. I really like your idea of "generalized simple translation" allowing arbitrary strings at the beginning and end of the program.
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< 1588342214 865786 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the definition of "isomorphism between models" needs some work. I'm not quite sure that captures exactly what I'm going for. I was discussing yesterday that between two unbounded tape models you could map 2n to n and use the odd cells to store context, which is kind of outside of the spirit of a simple translation
< 1588342262 444244 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe simple translation should have it's own page for discussing further?
< 1588342295 512586 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tricky one
< 1588342327 146860 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow a prefix then you can do interpreters of string data
< 1588342361 856363 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was already said though
< 1588342498 608911 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, on second thought, would 2n to n work? how do you map backward? n -> n/2 isn't a valid mapping
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< 1588343545 807755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I think there's multiple possible senses of the mapping
< 1588343553 926964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are senses in which you look only at halting behaviour
< 1588343562 19204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and senses in which you look at some of the internal state too
< 1588343571 97797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the later is hard to define rigorously, though, and leads to some odd results
< 1588343598 833312 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I was thinking of redefining solely in terms of halting behavior
< 1588343646 440691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. think of a Salpynx-style simple translation that works via one command providing input to a second command that's an interpreter
< 1588343662 392465 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :as, I think maybe, if the translated program halts iff the original program halts then the machine states must be isomorphic
< 1588343680 477515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can't lead to an internal state mapping in PF to/from RBF because RBF is reversible
< 1588343763 241330 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I have to think about that
< 1588343778 727749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, e.g., a no-op containing a loop that executes will lead to some permanent memory that that loop existed on the PF tape
< 1588343814 547095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't see a reason why that would apply to irreversible languages
< 1588343854 843293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a separate thing I noticed is that PF (if it exists) does not necessarily have to be reversible
< 1588343892 832836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the RBF translation of the PF might, when reversed, use command sequences that don't exist in PF; and the PF translation of the RBF might use sequences of commands that happen to be reversible even if the individual commands aren't
< 1588343933 902676 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if there is an RBF translation of PF, and a PF translation of RBF, then there must be PF representations of inverses of PF operators.
< 1588343983 445261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: but if you map RBF to PF and back to RBF, the resulting tape may not be the same
< 1588344004 743943 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo you're right. that's tricky
< 1588344011 257141 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sure about that?
< 1588344012 826946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to be connected to eigenratios in a way, you'd expect an RBF→PF→RBF translation to expand the tape by some proportion
< 1588344049 507454 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are eigenratios?
< 1588344050 94192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strikes me that part of the problem is that BF derivatives normally have no way to store temporary data without disturbing the existing tape
< 1588344064 238999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an eigenratio is the speed at which a self-interpreter runs, compared to running the program natively
< 1588344077 256292 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1588344122 695014 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently creating a page for simple translations to discuss some of these idea further and flesh out generalizations
< 1588344145 192755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering creating a page about simple translations too, but it's your idea so you're probably a better person to do it
< 1588344151 630323 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of defining it so that A halts iff B halts
< 1588344157 257383 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should collab on it
< 1588344162 910714 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the spirit of wiki
< 1588344164 715335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would consider multiple possible definitions (without fixing a specific definition) because different cases could be interesting
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< 1588344232 975617 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I agree that different cases should be explored
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< 1588344256 878830 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as a start I really like the idea of avoiding getting into isomorphisms between machine states altogether
< 1588344289 999707 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but dont we need some way to define analogous input?
< 1588344533 485775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that I/O often complicates computational class discussions (I/O isn't needed at all to be TC, after all)
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< 1588344567 448884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be easy enough to come up with a noninteractive-I/O-dependent version of a simple translation, though ("the program halts, and the same input produces the same output")
< 1588344579 994679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the interactive I/O version is also obvious, just a little harder to define
< 1588344723 125460 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think I'm going to keep I/O out of the conversation for now completely
< 1588344730 129355 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it just mucks up the ideas
< 1588344735 422084 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no particularly good reason
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> 1588345098 959087 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple Translation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71564 5* 03Orby 5* (+1974) 10Getting started
< 1588345122 182902 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrote an initial definition, feel free to modify and expand
< 1588345126 721429 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :going out for a smoke, brb
> 1588345167 736388 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10moved [[02Simple Translation10]] to [[Simple translation]]: caps
> 1588345190 604572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71567&oldid=71565 5* 03Ais523 5* (+23) 10cat
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< 1588345427 213811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, interesting MediaWiki bug there: "show changes" showed your changes as well as mine, despite the lack of edit conflict
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< 1588345475 473863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we want the internal state mapping function at all
< 1588345488 350338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that definitions with and without it are both interesting
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< 1588345595 949290 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think we nee the internal state mapping to initialize the machines to the same state
< 1588345647 414008 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state being the same on completion is less important I think
< 1588345675 54256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, thinking about languages
< 1588345684 798957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of a simple translation as a mapping of the source code
< 1588345690 340443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it happens before parsing
< 1588345699 772449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current implementation seems to inherently assume that the language is concatenative, doesn't it?
< 1588345700 108898 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to generalize on the page
< 1588345711 942133 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :a generalized simple translation could be really useful too
< 1588345715 599025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, somehow I never realised until /just now/ that brainfuck is concatenative)
< 1588345736 826925 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally thought of all this in the context of minimization, but it sounds like you have a bigger vision for it
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< 1588345785 274160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so https://esolangs.org/wiki/Pure_BF is a joke
< 1588345794 850937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does seem to be the view of BF-alikes that simple translation is taking
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< 1588346033 243210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the issue is that we normally see languages in almost any paradigm as a list of commands, that operate on state, and produce a state as output
< 1588346078 560112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some exceptions, like control flow, and those not coincidentally cause the largest issues when writing simple translations
< 1588346196 397350 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mapping the IP to a functional language sounds weird
< 1588346221 697419 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: input and output buffers can be considered part of the state. No special consideration for I/O needed.
< 1588346335 715122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one application for simple translations is in explaining the difference between the :*()a^ and ~:!()^ subsets of Underload
< 1588346353 413586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former subset appears to be a simple translation of Underload; the latter isn't "obviously" a simple translation
< 1588346398 24147 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to read up on underload
< 1588346421 579779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should, especially if you're interested in minimization
< 1588346510 455339 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e (or someone skilled in lambdabot’s workings): I tried to abuse lambdabot again, running this obfuscated code:
< 1588346510 563738 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data O z=O(z(O z)) -- this is a fixpoint of a functor like in Data.Fix
< 1588346510 563786 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let{e m(O c)=m$fmap(e m)c;a g s=j g:a s(O[g,s]);j=e(fmap(+)(foldr(const.const$0)1)<*>sum)}in a(O[])$O[O[]]
< 1588346510 601154 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my GHCi, it starts spewing out the first elements of the list pretty fast but here the computation just times out. I think I did something wrong, what could that be?
< 1588346511 490534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:174:1: error:
< 1588346511 530721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Multiple declarations of ‘O’
< 1588346511 530790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Declared at: .L.hs:172:1
< 1588346516 456466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
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< 1588346537 349931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually for me, one of the most important unanswered questions wrt simple translations at the moment is whether there's some simple, objective way to exclude Salpynx-style translations
< 1588346549 529838 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh sorry I defined it earlier but that definition hadn’t changed)
< 1588346584 639253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those may permit simple translations into anything TC that obeys certain syntactic restrictions
< 1588346661 34326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm
< 1588346663 71756 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, run this salpynx-style translation by me again
< 1588346697 785410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea is that we have some sort of state that records whether or not we're in the middle of a loop
< 1588346705 981138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands run immediately if we aren't
< 1588346722 181605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we are, they just add themselves to some data structure, and then ] implements the entire loop
< 1588346745 386683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage of this is that there's no need for any PF command to translate to an unbalanced loop in RBF
< 1588346764 218937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* the translation of ) implements the entire loop
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< 1588346821 213599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can create two commands, 1 and 0, where 1 just implements an internal counter, and 0 does all the real work, depending on context either executing a command, or storing that command in a data structure for later use
< 1588346834 939085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is in effect an RBF self-interpreter
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< 1588346844 405196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just map each RBF command to some string of 1s followed by 0
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< 1588346885 668202 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you express the inverse translation table?
< 1588346891 138365 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. what is 1 in RBF?
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< 1588346923 796271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inverse translation table is the hard part; 1 basically just has to increment a counter (although you need a complex tape encoding to /have/ a temporary counter in RBF)
< 1588346934 452239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 is an entire RBF self-interpreter with some additional functionality
< 1588346951 540133 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, that translation technique reminds me how I implemented my first incomplete forth-like with quotes: if we are inside a quote, we continue completing it, then we push it on the stack finally—if we aren’t in a quote still; thought there are no more similarities regarding "]", as the evaluation would be a different operation, "!")
< 1588346974 367113 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to do that and maintain equivalence under isomorphism?
< 1588346976 273439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can think of it as an incremental self-interpreter
< 1588346993 9470 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the state?
< 1588346999 898369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: no, but only through chance: because RBF is reversible the self-interpreter has no way to delete the program from the tape once it's finished
< 1588347014 449207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is specific to the fact that RBF is reversible
< 1588347022 932041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that RBF programs with unbalanced () aren't valid
< 1588347028 722046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well
< 1588347044 344606 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess you  just erase all the temp stuff when you're done interpretting
< 1588347048 527945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that you don't need the translation of, say, *>(* to mean anything
< 1588347062 293699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the self-interpreter can check to see if we have a complete program with balanced parens
< 1588347079 633012 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I get the problem
< 1588347079 761972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we do, it can evaluate it so far and then delete all the temporary state it used (except that it can't because RBF is reversible)
< 1588347090 153573 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :right right
< 1588347097 158848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we don't, then the definition doesn't place constraints on what happens because the input program wasn't valid
< 1588347159 726784 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we require the machine state to be isomorphic after executing each command?
< 1588347201 947575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what you want to require is that the instruction pointer moves in the same way in both languages
< 1588347220 664983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your "isomorphic after each command" seems to require an equivalence of instruction pointer movement to even be well-defined
< 1588347236 274740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the IP movement equivalent is sufficient by itself to ban Salpynx-style translations
< 1588347242 13626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it seems hard to define rigorously
< 1588347266 896132 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, particularly because the source and destination programs don't need to require the same number of symbols
< 1588347273 91367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define it rigorously for RBF but I don't think it generalises to other languages
< 1588347326 883208 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so either
< 1588347364 304145 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the easiest and most restrictive way of dealing with it is to simply require that the languages use the same model
< 1588347383 458613 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's one view
< 1588347403 566557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, suppose you add to both languages a command that has some observable effect on the outside world, but doesn't affect the program's internal state
< 1588347405 155980 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good for talking about minimalizations of languages
< 1588347416 297585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you add it at the same point in both programs
< 1588347422 105209 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an output command?
< 1588347425 68106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1588347434 486389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the control flow is the same, it should run the same number of times in both programs
< 1588347454 96590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because it isn't allowed to affect the program's internal state, a Salpynx-style translation can't notice it exists
< 1588347460 298995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you put it inside a loop it runs the wrong number of times
< 1588347490 290850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this works for any programming language that allows an-arbitrary-effect-at-an-arbitrary point
< 1588347504 950872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may go some distance to coming up with a definition of what AAEAAAP actually means
< 1588347569 183589 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am inclined to require a simple translation to use the same model for both languages and generalize from there, maybe a "generalized simple translation"
< 1588347584 89031 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :could involve something like what you're talking about
< 1588347615 259120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my #1 concern is making the definition as rigorous and non-corner-casey as possible
< 1588347653 479198 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1588347700 743704 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to modify the simple translation page to require the same model as that's the spirit in which it was created. From there let's talk about generalizing it between models.
< 1588347711 199039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I believe that a definition of simple translation that a) focuses entirely on halt behaviour, not internal state, b) allows an arbitrary prefix and suffix
< 1588347722 227988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an entirely different concept from yours but also randomly happens to be very useful for thinking about languages
< 1588347740 711467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the definition is almost the same, it now permits almost anything (because it permits interpreters that look at a string literal)
< 1588347773 765127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the nice thing about permitting almost anything TC is that it /doesn't/ permit some things that are TC, which is valuable information in its own right
< 1588347803 793257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to call that "generalized simple translation" but perhaps it needs its own name
< 1588347865 585242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, even looking at the small picture, RBF→PF→RBF simple translation is a really interesting problem (I believe it's possible without Salpynx-style approaches, although you might need a lot of temporary tape space)
< 1588347877 369605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Underload→2-command Underload→Underload simple translation is also interesting
< 1588347881 121515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the lexical level
< 1588347899 781689 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I am quite interested in exploring underload minimizations in this context
< 1588347909 255471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already have a translation that handles everything except "complex" (…), where the commands are (~)(:)(^)(a)(*)(!!!!!!) and ^
> 1588347939 615193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71582&oldid=71569 5* 03Orby 5* (-277) 10Changing definition to require same machine model between languages
< 1588347971 929136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is TC using finitely many possible (…) commands; the usual set is (~)(:)(!)(*)(a)(^), and it's trivial to break down any existing Underload programs to use only those 6 (…) commands
< 1588348019 550368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can produce a simple translation between (~) (:) (!) (*) (a) (^) ~ : ! * a ^ Underload and (~)(:)(^)(a)(*)(!!!!!!) ^ Underload
< 1588348051 681246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's piqued my interest is: in the full version of Underload, can you produce a simple translation of ( and ) on their own?
< 1588348074 816644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could call this a "lexical simple translation" because it's based on the characters of the source code, not the individual commands
< 1588348117 531288 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting!
< 1588348161 689422 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am concerned that the current definition of simple translation still allows for salpynx-style translations
< 1588348207 514681 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is getting fuzzy
< 1588348212 154991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part of Underload minimization, IMO, is when we discovered that ~ can be expressed in terms of the other commands, but it's really complicated to do so
< 1588348231 98599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shortest known implementation of ~ in terms of the others is a(!a)(!)(a*a*:*^!a*^):*^ which is just ridiculous :-)
< 1588348253 917908 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I need to get into underload
< 1588348349 510896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)SS
< 1588348349 591018 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ba
< 1588348357 290175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)a(!a)(!)(a*a*:*^!a*^):*^SS
< 1588348357 379961 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab
< 1588348370 943371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)a(!a)(!)(a*a*:*^!a*^)^SS
< 1588348371 14168 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b!
< 1588348377 580043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)a(!a)(!)(a*a*:*^!a*^)^SSS
< 1588348377 663449 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b!(a)
< 1588348383 371133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)a(!a)(!)(a*a*:*^!a*^)^SSSS
< 1588348383 482896 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b!(a) ...out of stack!
< 1588348419 994368 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b) ~ S(-)S
< 1588348420 72053 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1588348441 581712 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)SS
< 1588348441 676183 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ba
< 1588348449 165812 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b) ~ S(z)S
< 1588348449 245112 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1588348454 785119 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b) ~ SS
< 1588348454 862494 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1588348459 445657 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b) ~ S
< 1588348459 562714 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1588348461 860657 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)~S
< 1588348461 977607 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1588348465 765259 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't like whitespace
< 1588348472 213485 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)~S(-)SS
< 1588348472 289045 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b
< 1588348480 110963 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)a(!a)(!)(a*a*:*^!a*^):*^S(-)SS
< 1588348480 218502 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b
< 1588348515 124928 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg, catch yall later
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< 1588348576 672882 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)~*()SS
< 1588348576 823330 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ba
< 1588348581 940007 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)*()SS
< 1588348582 40035 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab
< 1588348591 941876 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ right, that's why you can't test with just SS
< 1588348597 844056 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(b)*()S(-)SS
< 1588348597 929010 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ab
< 1588348606 404059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was being sloppy, I know
< 1588348611 447879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's good enough for testing when you know you aren't cheating
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< 1588348775 193240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we really need for this is the A command from Underlambda
< 1588348790 154286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts parentheses around the /entire/ stack, not just the top element
< 1588348803 479992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, e.g. (a)(b)AS prints "(a)(b)"
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> 1588350541 201581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71585&oldid=71404 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-11) 10Undo revision 71404 by [[Special:Contributions/LegionMammal978|LegionMammal978]] ([[User talk:LegionMammal978|talk]])
< 1588350761 903209 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> BF derivatives
< 1588350764 170970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1588350764 171024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Data constructor not in scope: BF :: t0 -> terror: Variable not in scope...
< 1588350769 626166 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to differentiate brainfuck programs?
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< 1588350866 458959 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like RBF
< 1588350876 492463 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a nice minimalism
< 1588351366 578292 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BF)′ = B′F + BF′. A brain derivative may well be psyche, but I’ll abstain from finding the second one :?
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< 1588351761 151156 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! underload (hello )S
< 1588351762 161473 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1588351803 583381 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! underload "(hello )S" 
< 1588351811 310927 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 117
< 1588351817 38898 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ why does this one fail?
< 1588351829 423909 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that error message coming from?
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< 1588352115 702858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! "underload (hello )S"
< 1588352116 743496 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1588352192 619667 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh right! sorry
< 1588352201 932109 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! underload
< 1588352202 865909 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempt to execute unknown command 117
< 1588352209 651305 :b_jonas!~x@176.63.12.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! underload 
< 1588352210 479916 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1588352423 835107 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -n "ul" | cut -d' ' -f2-
< 1588352426 440898 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul
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< 1588352588 330464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that doesn't cut it)
> 1588352835 373995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Willicoder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71587&oldid=71382 5* 03Willicoder 5* (+143) 10
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< 1588353558 104578 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qqlwmnxywvwyzahd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm
< 1588353727 691147 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qqlwmnxywvwyzahd PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(b(c + d + e) + c(d + e) + de) + b(c(d + e) + de) + cde
< 1588353772 696378 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qqlwmnxywvwyzahd PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write a Boolean function, one way is as an expression such as the above.
< 1588353790 748750 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qqlwmnxywvwyzahd PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those can get cumbersome; at some point you want to switch from expressions to circuits.
< 1588354011 54981 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qqlwmnxywvwyzahd PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(b(c(d + e + f + g) + d(e + f + g) + e(f + g) + fg) + c(d(e + f + g) + e(f + g) + fg) + d(e(f + g) + fg) + efg) + b(c(d(e + f + g) + e(f + g) + fg) + d(e(f + g) + fg) + efg) + c(d(e(f + g) + fg) + e(f + g) + fg) + defg
< 1588354029 718420 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qqlwmnxywvwyzahd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's how to write the 4-of-7 majority gate as an expression.
< 1588354032 984908 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qqlwmnxywvwyzahd PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awful :D
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> 1588354369 429656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nanofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71589&oldid=71588 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Reversible Bitfuck */
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> 1588361156 343209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conditional brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71597 5* 03Orby 5* (+1609) 10Created page with "Conditional brainfuck (CBF) is a brainfuck variant discovered by [[User:Orby]] in May of 2020. =Model= CBF uses a tape of n-bit wrapping cells which is unbounded on the right...."
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> 1588363750 360673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71611&oldid=70415 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10/* External resources */ cat
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< 1588364213 919827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would conscious life be more likely to emerge in a randomly seeded Game of Life universe (with no known small replicators) or in a HighLife universe (with a known small replicator)?
< 1588364325 16827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I guess GoL still has replicators likely to be a lot smaller than anything resembling actual life?)
< 1588364346 479486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you'll just have to conduct some simulations to find out.
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< 1588365712 874650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: why do you keep using <h1> headings on the wiki? those are meant to be for the heading at the top of the page
< 1588365721 922526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for special cases where you need something bigger than the normal <h2>
< 1588367155 317447 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shuffling function I implemented in TeXnicard seems to work now, in addition to the random number function. (I implemented my own rather than using that of SQLite or of the operating system, because I will need the random numbers to be reproducible.)
< 1588367735 403860 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1588367905 388285 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just plain ignorance on my part :)
< 1588368612 590317 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ok, I'm really interested in Overload due to it's close relationship with unlambda and my recent foray into adding the forth : ; to stack based languages
< 1588368667 35537 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a bootable iso last week of what I'm calling Skiforth, which is basically postfix unlamda with the forth style : ; word definitions
< 1588368703 946133 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forth style word definitions are crazy powerful when combined with basically any stack based language
< 1588368732 641387 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should say specifically postfix stack based languages
< 1588368831 260689 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the overload ^ operator, could you explain the model?
< 1588369323 812922 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth style word definitions are insanely powerful. forth without random access is nearly unbearable!
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< 1588370851 590758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1588370945 228382 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I golfed my addition program.
< 1588370968 770736 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Changing host
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< 1588371505 185325 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, did freenode have a hiccup?
< 1588371515 38873 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1588371693 30379 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I golfed my addition.
< 1588371700 162274 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :357 bytes down to 114.
< 1588371782 9581 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train: O, good.
< 1588371821 545651 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the new one:
< 1588371827 782491 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :SdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaV
< 1588371835 301766 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much tidier.
< 1588371848 278372 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how I can represent it so it doesn't fill spaces
< 1588371865 145079 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it doesn't show the code very well on here.
< 1588371875 875017 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does freenode support latex?
< 1588371892 935613 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should perhaps post with sprunge and then post the link.
< 1588371900 879738 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588371924 258798 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/9HUcOz
< 1588371925 348307 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode is a IRC server; it isn't the job of the IRC server to support LaTeX, although maybe some clients do I don't know (although mine doesn't).
< 1588371953 101712 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588372066 620144 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have TeX on my computer, although it is Plain TeX and not LaTeX.
< 1588372099 454591 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. Can you see the sprunge?
< 1588372117 529371 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1588372127 261799 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think?
< 1588372142 805465 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the new addition program?
< 1588372195 769270 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It look like OK to me.
< 1588372225 379873 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice and compact.
< 1588372261 215853 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1588372293 873475 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite proud of the little relay down the bottom, since it's so compact.
< 1588372417 96383 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one of your esolangs, memfractal. Quite a cool concept.
< 1588372627 283025 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/logs/2002-12-14.html is the first log I can see. How long has this channel been around for?
< 1588372645 477754 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
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< 1588373476 99592 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm still curious about your method for finding quines. Can you elaborate?
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< 1588374137 712321 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any method; I just did it.
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< 1588374286 995236 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a method. It's that I create a quine by making a list of strings and indexing into them from a list of indexes.
< 1588374292 105316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train: ^
< 1588374319 361658 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It leads to quines like 
< 1588374329 290955 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint+("`perl -eprint+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]
< 1588374330 667739 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`perl -eprint+("`perl -eprint+(","\"",",","\\",")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]")[g1012131121212133121414=~/./g]
< 1588374577 839893 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1588374772 706532 :Train!ca9a8545@202-154-133-69.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how you worked out it would be one line long, but the actual interspersing of NOPs was amazing.
< 1588375153 112078 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't really have a method.
< 1588375239 571871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm -v /hackenv/stuff
< 1588375241 688160 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed '/hackenv/stuff'
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< 1588375950 948550 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
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< 1588377504 836191 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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< 1588378224 144789 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the word NIHONIUM in the latest version of the Scrabble dictionary?
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< 1588379767 853498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: ^ in Underload is basically an eval operation
< 1588379774 672755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the top stack element and runs it as though it were a program
< 1588379783 955360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)aS
< 1588379784 48893 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)
< 1588379789 557620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(a)^S
< 1588379789 633125 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x)
< 1588379841 198154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way to do a loop in Underload is to use a chain of ^s to do recursion
< 1588379855 180241 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but orbitaldecay mentioned "Overload", not "Underload". I don't know what the former is, but I know that there are other ^ operators than the underload ones. 
< 1588379912 871920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! underload ((loop )S:^):^
< 1588379913 757754 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop loop lo
< 1588379941 803716 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :l00p
< 1588380040 594967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S):^
< 1588380040 632407 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^
< 1588380071 219885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I assume it was just a mistake
< 1588380076 942092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload was a language that I never finished designing
< 1588380079 407328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is a subset of it
< 1588380097 134667 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1588380100 396318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the operations in Overload would look /really/ out of place in an Underload-alike, e.g. it had pointers, and goto commands
< 1588380127 141076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was in a very unfinished state and I never wrote my ideas down
< 1588380145 226404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it wouldn't really have worked as a language, I don't think; Underload was how I salvaged it into something useful)
< 1588380206 193368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I inveted Consumer Society by trying to think of a slightly larger language, then realized how you need very few rules to get something easy to remember and elegant. 
< 1588380394 420242 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a document of how Lore Seeker makes up random booster packs for official and unofficial sets of Magic: the Gathering cards, which are many different ways depending on which set, including "naive algorithm", "taw's algorithm" (which replaces five of the common slots with color locked slots), "Reuben's algorithm", and a few others.
< 1588380457 970727 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Lore Seeker calls "naive algorithm" can be implemented in TeXnicard as:  create view deck_draft(cards,count,options) as select make_deck(id),1,0x0 from cards where rarity = 'B' union all select make_deck(id),10,0x0001 from cards where rarity = 'C' union all select make_deck(id),3,0x0001 from cards where rarity = 'U' union all select make_deck(id,'w',case when rarity = 'R' then 2 else 1 end),1,0 from cards where rarity in ('R','M')
< 1588380511 887254 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588381001 815366 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What card games need algorithms which cannot be represented in this way?
< 1588382189 572266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit
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< 1588385835 511273 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do you have any ideas for what I should make next in trainCode? I'm taking a break from the minsky machine.
< 1588385999 923715 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train: I don't know; sorry
< 1588386239 17009 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth "grammar" is pretty complex. almost impossible to verify properly that you'll use something in a way that's intended. if you design a linguistic feature and users don't use it correctly, it's nearly impossible to determine why unless it's something obvious.
< 1588386457 796028 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have any of you guys ever tried your hand at artificial life?
< 1588386536 861126 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :some times.
< 1588386552 124086 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing one rn.
< 1588386599 473262 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have evolved the ability to spontaneously regenerate on a molecular level. Any suggestions on how I could stop this?
< 1588386623 551170 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. what're you authoring your simulation in.
< 1588386632 863282 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1588386652 404300 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :artificial life usually implies that you've got a simulator for your "organisms" to live in.
< 1588386671 293511 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do.
< 1588386696 771820 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... so what's it written in. how are you defining the rules for the components of your organism to behave.
< 1588386701 644868 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's made in processing, and since this is the most technical internet forum I've found so far, I'm wondering if you guys can help me.
< 1588386719 44180 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :link?
< 1588386735 170153 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not online yet.
< 1588386744 303408 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh. got a paste that of code?
< 1588386748 33733 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1588386752 853683 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it anyway
< 1588386830 599563 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here's the basics:
< 1588386836 22140 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are n types of particle
< 1588386863 301155 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :each type of particle is either attracted, repulsed or neutral towards other particles, and this is inverse-squarely proportional to distance
< 1588386948 633656 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it.
< 1588386957 962826 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratz, you've invented an n-body sim.
< 1588386963 37663 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1588387019 180261 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I created about 125 of each type. and ran it. 
< 1588387096 525828 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :they form stable clusters rapidly
< 1588387313 892712 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the point where I can't destroy them
< 1588388649 755409 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I change it so they don't do this.
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< 1588394078 317536 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gudday.
< 1588394157 744706 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1588394176 393424 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, zzo38! Are you always online?
< 1588394195 27882 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually. Not quite always.
< 1588394255 502971 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very peculiar. Every time that I log on, you are online. Are you semi-afk on irc, and doing something else, or do you just sit here, waiting for people so you can catch them as soon as they enter?
< 1588394302 204121 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do many other things too.
< 1588394315 819142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Train: Every time you log on, you're also online.
< 1588394315 856525 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on TeXnicard, for example.
< 1588394326 754727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't know why you find it surprising that someone else is.
< 1588394473 158071 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, let the probability of me being online at any given time be x, a value between 0 and 1 and the probability of zzo38 being online be y, a value between 0 and 1. When I log on, zzo38 has always been online, indicating a very high value of y regardless of the value of x (which is anyway fairly low). This y-value is almost 1 and as such I am
< 1588394473 657203 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprised at such a high value. Are you not?
< 1588394500 708592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, should I expect them to be independent?
< 1588394539 716743 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :from esolangs.org/logs, I find that there is a correlation of ~0.3
< 1588394565 196242 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not enormous, so they are mostly independent, and the high y-value makes the correlation higher.
< 1588394578 257562 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are we discussing this?
< 1588394582 419458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like you already know the answer to "Are you always online?".
< 1588394632 659956 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I checked it after zzo38 said he was generally online most of the time. A quick check of https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-04.html and https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-05.html is all that I needed to obtain my values.
< 1588394686 527246 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time zone are you in?
< 1588394760 384650 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT+12
< 1588394765 242887 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1588394852 985865 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wake Island.
< 1588394900 278978 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long way from anywhere.
< 1588395298 33527 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm joking. I don't work for the US air force, and I won't give my location away to random internet strangers.
< 1588395331 998142 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm also at least 8560 miles away from anywhere that uses GMT+12.
< 1588395338 311920 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1588395356 147478 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1588395364 201102 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1588395369 628793 :Train!ca9a8766@202-154-135-102.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a terrifying smiley.
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< 1588397336 77902 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :train must be young.
< 1588397389 230015 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but what makes you believe that, though?
< 1588397533 540263 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :just seems like it. was young once.
< 1588397583 129522 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK
< 1588397655 579394 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youth is such a distinctive thing.
< 1588397793 678430 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds the days of hiding physical location online so weird now
< 1588398838 616196 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :large-scale social media has encouraged individuals to share data in an attempt at forming a personal connection, as if opening your actual, personal self in the form of datapoints about your real life will help make connections. it's a ploy to get your data and market to you. you can form a connection with another human without ever knowing anything about their real-life endeavors.
< 1588398869 190524 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's probably better. you learn how to accept people for who they are despite "who" they are.
< 1588398893 305038 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, lie if you want to.
< 1588398901 805170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please get my data and market to me!
< 1588398903 878851 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but that's your freedom.
< 1588398912 262602 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: marketing to you would be a herculian effort.
< 1588398922 788866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1588398936 123447 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you like!
< 1588398951 444870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's your job to decide as a marketer.
< 1588398961 578725 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah woah, I never signed up for that. :P
< 1588398979 575317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like cats.
< 1588398990 110346 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 advertisements for meow mix, got it.
< 1588399022 255694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, don't blame me for your terrible marketing skills.
< 1588399218 317025 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's preferences are a little easier to discern irl
< 1588399232 492852 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not easy at all, i've got like one or two additional things to add in there, but hey
< 1588399889 209181 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One question of the hacker test says if you own a flowchart template. I actually do have a flowchart template from IBM.
< 1588399974 304972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, what can you market to me?
< 1588399976 268587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it cats?
< 1588399999 414292 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a marketer.
< 1588400595 749050 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm pretty sure it's scows
< 1588400643 92737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1588400670 247371 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :good sir or madam, would you like to buy a scow?
< 1588400711 905103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all depends on the price.
< 1588400724 77895 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it does
< 1588400783 298673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'd like to buy software that isn't terrible.
< 1588400788 12465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'd pay a lot for that.
< 1588400842 23672 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :afraid the best i can do is random cute things
< 1588400860 438145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the deal with people writing interfaces like make_foo().with_thing(true).with_other_thing(5).all_done_now()?
< 1588400867 428655 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as good as software that isn't terrible, but can make you feel better about the software that is terrible
< 1588400918 678675 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put newlines before the dots it ends up looking almost "clean"
< 1588400923 693243 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ignore the nonsense of course
< 1588400933 914221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is popular in Java land. But I saw a Rust library that does it now, and I've seen it in other languages.
< 1588400946 428795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just seems kind of silly. I guess it's fine.
< 1588400959 557405 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Java programmers don't just stay in Java land, I'm sad to report.
< 1588400960 773463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately C doesn't support this idiom.
< 1588400976 87323 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has its own downsides, of course.
< 1588401005 773639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true.
< 1588401010 544972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what are the better options?
< 1588401013 597486 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with C is the confusing type syntax. (Well, it is one of them.)
< 1588401050 873981 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly ever is any given language going to be strictly "better" than the other, imo
< 1588401061 858490 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :All language decisions come with tradeoffs.
< 1588401085 217476 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a matter of which sacrifices you're willing to make for which benefits, really
< 1588401085 254866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but what can I use in practice for a thing that I might use C for right now?
< 1588401101 266303 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best choices are C, C++, and Rust in that general space
< 1588401104 217312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depend what you are making, I think.
< 1588401122 59119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust seems to be going way in the wrong direction.
< 1588401125 507438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C++ too.
< 1588401186 200944 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think rust is going in the wrong direction?
< 1588401290 481714 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many good features of C that other programming languages don't do so well.
< 1588401339 797984 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's your suggestion to handle make_foo().with_thing(true).with_other_thing(5).all_done_now() better without sacrificing a reasonable type system
< 1588401421 101208 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :war on types
< 1588401427 555609 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been all downhill since church
< 1588401445 742953 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, you are a js dev
< 1588401458 389640 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just a smartass
< 1588401462 758690 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :and professional yaml dev :/
< 1588401467 479031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh.
< 1588401467 516308 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1588401473 92716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I market some YAML to you?
< 1588401479 395645 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1588401501 290644 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have > 1 lines of YAML already, it's far too many
< 1588401501 415380 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's such a good c feature?
< 1588401553 35167 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i think of c, i fail to think of any positives
< 1588401584 178339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty simple and mostly corresponds to how computers work.
< 1588401598 573677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it maximizes either one.
< 1588401617 313006 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's macro assembler, but i don't see that as an advantage
< 1588401656 876529 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to write how computers work. that will more likely produce bad code if you aren't an expert
< 1588401678 298718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only want to be able to write code that corresponds to how computers work.
< 1588401685 773251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most languages won't let you do that.
< 1588401697 627616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are certainly features that would improve C.
< 1588401726 685895 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write assembly, then. modern c compilers do stuff you would never imagine while writing your c code
< 1588401778 808799 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :write in forth.
< 1588401787 792681 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :be quirky.
< 1588401796 609089 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C does have many good features, such as pointer arithmetic, setjmp/longjmp, macros, etc. But many things it doesn't do so well that assembly language is doing much better.
< 1588401841 434234 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that in rust, too, if you really wanted to. there's just virtually no reason to do so
< 1588401876 399856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Rust good?
< 1588401897 498688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you want to write a program that doesn't use malloc but has other allocation strategies. Doesn't Rust fight you all the time?
< 1588401913 135078 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust tries to remove as many errors as possible during compile time. big fan of that approach
< 1588401955 763869 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that? you could easily write your own allocator and use that
< 1588401969 320985 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the api is way easier to handle than that of c
< 1588401975 164466 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm idling in #esoteric, I think I mostly want to echo imode.
< 1588401992 9704 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, dealloc will get a pointer and the amount of memory to free
< 1588402000 611979 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to keep track of sizes of data
< 1588402009 232583 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if Forth even counts as esoteric, actually. But of those recently mentioned...
< 1588402043 291479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you use arena allocation, you don't even need to call dealloc. But Rust is all about destructors and RAII and things like that, I think?
< 1588402125 938722 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in safe code, it is, yeah. how's that a problem?
< 1588402156 603640 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Consider Ada?
< 1588402156 720830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the things I'm talking about aren't even the real problem.
< 1588402171 290742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnm: That's an option!
< 1588402173 189703 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is?
< 1588402174 378819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a real one, though.
< 1588402177 460649 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not solve these problems for you.
< 1588402184 800412 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I'm a busy girl.
< 1588402189 650443 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1588402200 594659 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not a real one?
< 1588402212 185918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada? I kind of doubt it.
< 1588402219 598127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for specialized things.
< 1588402239 418430 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess I missed what the scenario is/constraints are
< 1588402285 881658 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. Was it this? <shachaf> I only want to be able to write code that corresponds to how computers work.
< 1588402302 589537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know.
< 1588402305 461977 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I definitely won't be helpful for that.
< 1588402330 296700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure dnm was suggesting Ada Lovelace.
< 1588402345 783871 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I could take a lot of issue with the idea that C is how computers work. But.
< 1588402348 694155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused about usage. Are you Ada Lovelace's namesake, or is she yours?
< 1588402362 718759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnm: Well, I granted that!
< 1588402371 785798 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she's my namesake.
< 1588402393 67876 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a phrase that comes up much though
< 1588402400 199813 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was just saying Ada (as a language) could be considered re: <shachaf> Say you want to write a program that doesn't use malloc but has other allocation strategies. Doesn't Rust fight you all the time?
< 1588402433 316527 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, no, I'm her namesake apparently.
< 1588402435 566463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I would have said, but then someone else was confused and now I'm confused.
< 1588402441 679858 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :English. Such a weird language.
< 1588402443 637225 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :S'ok. Me too.
< 1588402477 938349 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Speaking of Forth, you hacking anything in or adjacent to it?
< 1588402478 619322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "namesake" makes me think of the play Arcadia, where someone says "your illustrious namesake".
< 1588402503 766655 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is definitely more confusing than the mere namespace collision that is sharing a name with a programming language 
< 1588402523 414168 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not very common, thankfully, so it usually doesn't matter
< 1588402526 562917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Ada isn't directly mentioned in that play, though Byron is.
< 1588402534 614922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one character is based on her?
< 1588402538 893653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovelace, I mean.
< 1588402549 529084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, what a good play.
< 1588402599 428900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, no one ever talks about Ada the programming language, whereas Lovelace is one of the only two people anyone ever names for "women in computing" for some reason.
< 1588402621 137319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I imagine that collision happens a lot more.
< 1588402647 310090 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lovely name though.
< 1588402728 521405 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnm: yeah, I have a language called `mode` that's... kinda close to Forth?
< 1588402758 69886 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do sometimes use 6502 assembly language and Glulx assembly language, and sometimes write a program with more than one programming language, e.g. TeXnicard is written half in C, half in PostScript, and half in SQL.
< 1588402761 595824 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty minimalist. the only single data structure you manipulate is a deque.
< 1588402768 331902 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of two stacks.
< 1588402779 704230 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I appreciate hand-written PostScript.
< 1588402801 453065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How many total halves are in TeXnicard?
< 1588402811 931957 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Neat. What'd you implement it in?
< 1588402814 796696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love for the answer to be two halves, using a complicated polyglot technique.
< 1588402847 783747 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concurrent version is implemented as a preprocessor that generates lists of C preprocessor tokens, which flatten out into C code.
< 1588402878 180104 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnm: Yes, that is all I use PostScript for. I think PostScript isn't very good as a protocol or a document storage format, but as a programming language it is not bad, especially for doing graphics.
< 1588402880 334016 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-concurrent version does the same, only it actually flattens out into if/while statements.
< 1588402904 423922 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: URL?
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< 1588402928 748370 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: TeXnicard is not made of "halves", I think.
< 1588402976 461767 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnm: https://git.imode.tech/?p=mode;a=tree;h=refs/heads/master;hb=refs/heads/master it's pretty old, but eh.
< 1588403062 588772 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the preprocessor is a simple flattening macro system. you take a token, you see if it has a definition, and then you slap that definition in the middle of your program source.
< 1588403067 396728 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :rinse and repeat until reduced.
< 1588403120 507451 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :this version generates a list of function pointers to be executed.
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< 1588403525 840968 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jitcmpemkqzepcqv PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Cool! This looks pretty clean, too!
< 1588403569 114594 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! the only fundamental manipulation/shuffling ops are dup, drop, swap and last.
< 1588403587 105025 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :last moves something from the end of the queue to the head of the queue. all other operations, like dup, take items from the head and enqueue results to the tail.
< 1588403620 85396 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can make your queue look like and behave like a stack if you want.
< 1588403629 148487 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in TeXnicard, PostScript codes can call SQL codes.
< 1588403644 413476 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :all other forth primitives (even `pick`!) can be implemented as compound macros.
< 1588403822 772319 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :this particular version includes concurrency. so you can spawn up lightweight processes and communicate synchronously between them. you can simulate functions by spinning up a process, sending it data, and then waiting for the result to be sent back.
< 1588403924 396630 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't mapped 'em to threads yet.
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< 1588439657 611944 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bummer, they left
< 1588439672 179825 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ x =. 100
< 1588439672 789450 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: |ok
< 1588439681 521393 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ >./ x,1 6 5  NB. FWIW
< 1588439682 96128 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 100
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< 1588444752 847388 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://r6.ca/blog/20190223T161625Z.html
< 1588445081 336630 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: "You don't have permission to access this resource."
< 1588445324 604331 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have a problem accessing it with Lynx.
< 1588445397 804897 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh..
< 1588445430 358484 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a 403 Forbidden via both Firefox and curl
< 1588445476 161679 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Lynx then, and see if that works. If that doesn't work either, try using a different proxy, maybe.
< 1588445490 711129 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going to assume the server doesn't like me, rather than there being something weird with my request
< 1588445526 270752 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/J47FRwGx here is a copy of the page
< 1588445538 581409 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, that would seem so, it look like to me
< 1588445539 739416 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a residential connection from a Swedish ISP, not sure what'd be weird about that o.o
< 1588445546 475255 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: danke
< 1588445950 458730 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because you set the language header to Swedish instead of English? Maybe they don't have a version of that document in Swedish.
< 1588445979 975823 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I request english primarily, with swedish as a secondary choice
< 1588445994 632630 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a pretty weird reason for a 403 to me, oh well
< 1588446073 875409 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if your request says English, then that shouldn't be that problem, and even if you do specify only languages they don't have, presumably if there is an error code due to that at all, it should be 406 and not 403, I think.
< 1588446390 671427 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also set all my browsers to request English. only on very few sites does that prove a problem. Most sites just ignore those headers anyway.
< 1588446992 529414 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my "separations output format"? It is not currently implemented, but may be implemented in TeXnicard and possibly other programs too in future they might find it useful to implement this kind of file format.
< 1588447028 868354 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is meant as a simple raster format for printing.
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< 1588447942 523632 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, maybe commands should be added to specify such things as rendering intent and so on (programs that do not understand these commands can ignore them).
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> 1588451808 111663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71626&oldid=71494 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+224) 10
> 1588452059 649000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary Filesystem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71627&oldid=71503 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+141) 10
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> 1588452344 505681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5*  10New user account
> 1588452374 225013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Resource14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71628&oldid=71584 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Useful Instructions (I am not sure whether they are useful in restricted source contests though) */ fix header
> 1588452551 697137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71629&oldid=71540 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+214) 10/* Introductions */
< 1588452835 994533 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you're got at remembering things. when does the patent on automatic squirrel feeders expire?
< 1588452836 175004 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i don't disagree with your point, but i think it tries to execute it
< 1588452849 950680 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute the squirrels? oh, my!
< 1588452865 155466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fungot is shedding light on one of your nefarious plots
< 1588452865 266173 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: got a test button working in awt... now on the rest
< 1588453466 89390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are you working on there? 
< 1588453466 218720 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: e.g. by using english i make it more verbose :) let me do
< 1588453480 325736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll back off and leave you to it.
> 1588453545 308241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71630 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+876) 10Created page with "'''Rhoam''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:EvilMuffinHa]] in [[:Category:2019|2019]] in which there are only 3 characters.  == Syntax == Rhoam has a..."
> 1588453583 511711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71631&oldid=71630 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+24) 10
> 1588453609 304069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71632&oldid=71631 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+6) 10
> 1588453664 248515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71633&oldid=71632 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+1) 10
> 1588453868 922567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wrapping Rhoam14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71634 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+1004) 10Created page with "'''Wrapping Rhoam''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:EvilMuffinHa]] in [[:Category:2019|2019]] in which there are only 2 characters. It is an extensi..."
> 1588453882 632259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71635&oldid=71633 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+35) 10
> 1588453967 866269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wrapping Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71636&oldid=71634 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+9) 10
> 1588454236 278168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71637&oldid=71635 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+0) 10
> 1588454292 904967 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam Ultimate14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71638 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+1184) 10Created page with "'''Rhoam Ultimate''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:EvilMuffinHa]] in [[:Category:2019|2019]] in which there is only 1 character. It is an extension..."
> 1588454311 217614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wrapping Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71639&oldid=71636 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+21) 10
> 1588454334 787232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71640&oldid=71637 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+21) 10
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> 1588455607 999609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71641&oldid=71580 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+33) 10/* R */
> 1588455656 14321 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71642&oldid=71641 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+21) 10/* W */
> 1588455668 91627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:EvilMuffinHa14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71643 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+96) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm '''EvilMuffinHa'''. I have created * [[Rhoam]] * [[Wrapping Rhoam]] * [[Rhoam Ultimate]]"
< 1588457224 134894 :BWBellairs!~bwbellair@hellomouse/dev/bwbellairs QUIT :Quit: Quit
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< 1588458624 172785 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the rut... why can nothing that's expressive and usable ever have a stupid simple implementation.
< 1588458743 341275 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you consider Forth?
< 1588458758 790583 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that expressive, turns out.
< 1588458774 481728 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the model gives people headaches.
< 1588458791 678770 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am called by the siren that is rewriting to investigate alternatives, never being satisfied with a single one.
< 1588459162 771620 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e8e/82cc742e832f6182f9415835894e35f670a4.pdf
< 1588459183 642150 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat concept, basing your control flow around l-systems.
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< 1588462450 331219 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
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< 1588463557 596608 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1588464784 914738 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588464790 927316 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my usual nickname.
< 1588464830 776129 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was called "train" on here earlier, after my esolang, but I think my normal name will cause less difficulties.
< 1588464891 154729 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588464918 183691 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1588465364 888698 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh zzo38, I have fully planned out the minsky machine and started to build it.
< 1588465472 158774 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host
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< 1588466340 945388 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
> 1588466760 303664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71644&oldid=71640 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+972) 10
> 1588466808 694779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71645&oldid=71644 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+154) 10
< 1588466836 266428 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does esowiki do?
> 1588466841 462871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71646&oldid=71645 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (-20) 10
< 1588466870 863425 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :says who changed what in the wiki.
< 1588466908 304747 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, its like an edit tracker.
< 1588466915 346149 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh.
< 1588466923 28455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1588466926 224180 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:tetrapleur//tetrapleur is the new name of quadrilaterals. \ spore//spore <n> stores its input in tmp/spout and displays the nth line (default first). For a version considering irc line lengths, see sport. See also `spam. \ gey//I know nothing about Gey, sir. \ english channel//If it existed, the English Channel would separate Hexham from Finland. \ hppavilion[42]//hppavilion[42] is the awesomest person you will ever meet. Much aw
< 1588466928 344064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1588466929 258939 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:esomer than oerjan.
< 1588466935 975056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5
< 1588466937 849606 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:457) <ais523> (Enigma is two games; one is solving Enigma puzzles, the other is working out how to represent things as Enigma puzzles, preferably with the minimal amount of lua and player-hidden information possible) \ 1093) <kmc> anyway getting naked and high in the desert doesn't make you a rebel, as much as I enjoy this activity \ 1231) <ais523> do we seriously not do quotes any more? \ 425) <Taneb> So it's like... Rummy mixed with... b
< 1588466941 231333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1588466942 81486 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:reakout? \ 982) <zzo38> My opinion is that you are all wrong, as far as I can tell.
< 1588466969 977312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam
< 1588466970 782384 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:457) <ais523> (Enigma is two games; one is solving Enigma puzzles, the other is working out how to represent things as Enigma puzzles, preferably with the minimal amount of lua and player-hidden information possible) \ 1093) <kmc> anyway getting naked and high in the desert doesn't make you a rebel, as much as I enjoy this activity \ 1231) <ais523> do we seriously not do quotes any more? \ 425) <Taneb> So it's like... Rummy mixed with... b
< 1588466995 674025 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1588466996 661271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What was `spam good for again?)
< 1588467013 467690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -ld ../bin/spam ../bin/n
< 1588467017 10949 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000   4 Jul  8  2017 ../bin/n -> spam \ -rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 206 Nov 16 21:37 ../bin/spam
< 1588467026 111697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: this channel has quite a few bots, some more noisy than others.
< 1588467030 682708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam was just the original name for n before it was shortened to one letter.
< 1588467030 748092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, thanks.
< 1588467043 97452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So the issue here is that `n loops.
< 1588467052 12401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbt n
< 1588467052 795316 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :line="${1-$(cat $HACKENV/tmp/spline)}"; len="$(awk 'END{print NR}' $HACKENV/tmp/spout)"; echo -n "$line/$len:"; sed -n "${line}{p;q}" $HACKENV/tmp/spout; echo "$((line<len?line+1:1))" > $HACKENV/tmp/spline
< 1588467072 753346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's an issue?
< 1588467074 605710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hackeso
< 1588467075 837338 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike HackEgo.
< 1588467076 519133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intentional at the time.
< 1588467144 140841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this API issue is kind of annoying. This program gives you a path, and what is normally a basename as an offset into that path.
< 1588467146 590077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: Anyway, esowiki is useful... a) it's interesting to see what topics are currently hot on the wiki b) it enables more timely reactions to spam
< 1588467166 189623 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Agreed. Especially on b
< 1588467175 436804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, what it actually gives you is also supposed to be useful for openat(parent_dir_fd, ...)
< 1588467192 99968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost the same as a basename except that at the root you want to use AT_FDCWD and a full path instead.
< 1588467198 946936 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: HackEso is more of a swiss army knife (it's a user mode linux sandbox and has grown a rich set of commands, most of questionable use, over time)
< 1588467204 90508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the solution? Should it give you a basename each time?
< 1588467315 130114 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... That makes sense.
> 1588467375 478010 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rhoam14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71647&oldid=71646 5* 03EvilMuffinHa 5* (+383) 10
< 1588467693 185657 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: oh and fungot is a chatterbox
< 1588467693 836987 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: am i right? :) imagine if the contents of these fields.
< 1588467711 32204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1588467713 491253 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:success//If at first you don't succeed, you fail. \ gazspaczo//gazspaczo iz a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz \ tio//TIO is Try It Online!, <https://tio.run/>, a web-based interpreter for over 600 languages, including hundreds of esolangs. \ ginorst//Ginorst is eht Aillpr fo Dgoo Iikw Aaeegmmnnt. \ usa//USA apparently doesn't stand for United State Automaton.
< 1588467752 25986 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anybody edit the HackEso to give it commands?
< 1588467759 993470 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that seems like a very bad idea.
< 1588467822 780556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only people who are morally pure can.
< 1588467840 576386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are destined for hell HackEso ignores your commands.
< 1588467879 86227 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1588468122 10704 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nothing is weird.
< 1588468138 729376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is weird.
< 1588468148 42468 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol.
< 1588468202 730524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sorting
< 1588468208 488366 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorting? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1588468231 133224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg ginorst
< 1588468233 1188 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :10889:2017-05-13 <oerjän> slwd ginorst//s,dg,Dg, \ 10888:2017-05-13 <oerjän> slwd ginorst//s,ai,Ai,;s,ii,Ii,;s,aa,Aa, \ 6636:2016-02-07 <oerjän> learn Ginorst is eht aillpr fo dgoo iikw aaeegmmnnt.
< 1588468264 637786 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What constitutes "morally pure" or "destined for hell"?
< 1588468325 85345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please consult the holy book for more information.
< 1588468347 862138 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The holy book?
< 1588468525 977953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: "Nothing" is brilliant, it's the pinnacle of declarative programming.
< 1588468535 975748 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1588468548 313038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I hereby declare the program to be finished. )
< 1588468570 118394 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's amusing.
< 1588468599 555627 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1588468600 465963 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmbf-1.2.6.tar.gz \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ what.tar.gz
< 1588468632 564383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with these ridiculous names?
< 1588468639 78709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spline? spout? sport?
< 1588468641 43202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on.
< 1588468643 72048 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :From here, I believe thou can infer the appropriate holy book to consult.
< 1588468674 694750 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so the character `[linux command] does the job?
< 1588468700 741469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :our spam comes with advanced interpolation and still spouts nonsense.
< 1588468705 464674 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I will be consulting it, seeing as I live as a blasphemous heathen to each and every religion that there is. 🙃
< 1588468715 240318 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1588468751 889322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the holy book can be listed by the command `list
< 1588468752 120910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have no explanation for "sport" though.
< 1588468763 517172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about spore?
< 1588468776 65028 :Antebrationist!ca9a8248@202-154-130-72.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1588468907 157392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm *.gz # both asmbf archives, surely the one unpacked one is enough
< 1588468908 35261 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1588469000 980906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a more pertinent question may be... can't we stuff those files somewhere less visible...
< 1588469024 972463 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -a
< 1588469025 885335 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \ .. \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
< 1588469147 838393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: When these things were written they were in tmp/
< 1588469158 146755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my fault that the current directory was set to tmp later.
< 1588469193 126667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know.
< 1588469210 612098 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe those files should move with the times :P
< 1588469242 613487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the working directory shouldn't be tmp
< 1588469252 369361 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd
< 1588469253 134894 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/tmp
< 1588469280 231284 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first we'd have to agree on a less visible default temp location. Maybe just a hidden subdirectory here?
< 1588469297 797395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url
< 1588469298 654578 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/
< 1588469395 443371 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem with the temp files?
< 1588469413 49811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they show up in `ls
< 1588469439 370125 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that $HACKENV/tmp is the default working directory
< 1588469463 566649 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1588469482 516597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a big deal, more of a blemish.
< 1588469635 134793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this
< 1588469636 356092 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this.
< 1588469660 899504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could just change the file names to .spline and .spout
< 1588469667 890972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no.
< 1588469682 550718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits this
< 1588469684 499270 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-̈e oerjän olsnër
< 1588469698 178603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I thought I probably added the last bit.
< 1588469768 513785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I ever mention the time I was talking to a coworker and they said they knew one person who used Gopher?
< 1588469782 353169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they talked about how that person would always ask "do you like this?".
< 1588469794 806404 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao that's amazing
< 1588469810 356588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1588469823 725463 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple matter of zzoology.
< 1588469878 972606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1588469886 18880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get back to my SAT solver one day.
< 1588469896 78315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how to do clause deletion nicely.
< 1588470018 107751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have a question about iterators.
< 1588470039 989892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this iterator style: Iterator it = thing_start(); while (thing_next(&it)) { ... }
< 1588470057 886902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ... might use it.value or something.
< 1588470096 790432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, does this require the type to have more values than the classic style of iteration?
< 1588470136 348493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example with "for (int i = 0; i < n; i++)", the value of i goes between 0 and n, so there are a total of n+1 value.
< 1588470201 913824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the first question I should ask is, how would you do simple iteration like that in this style? Starting at a negative number or storing an extra boolean seems scow.
< 1588470348 34189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1588470349 268334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This specific case doesn't matter much, but it seems kind of annoying to give more complicated iterators an "unstarted" start which I sometimes end up doing.
< 1588470356 170152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :state
< 1588470460 836925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588470637 906994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1588470715 814959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588471205 215976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588471572 419436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1588472996 264807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What about a standard NULL-terminated linked list?
< 1588473139 140843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's another case that's similar.
< 1588473171 115282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have n+1 total states for your pointer including the final null. Really this is a better example probably.
< 1588473199 778596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (int i = 0; i < n; i++) is amenable to the starting at -1 trick, and then it fits the pattern you want.
< 1588473222 887509 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for linked lists you don't get a -1 that easily.
< 1588473233 995879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also for pointers.
< 1588473261 665743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An array with n values has n+1 total pointers, &a[0] to &a[n], but &a[-1] is undefined behavior in C (and reasonably so).
< 1588473268 710427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for pointers you could argue that it's really a stupid limitation of C.
< 1588473277 859394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe...
< 1588473286 581489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the linked list example is better. What do you do?
< 1588473321 278597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you make the iterator look like a list element without a value?
< 1588473329 189266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add an extra "unstarted" state: struct ListIter { Node *node; bool started; };
< 1588473350 622847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I vaguely recall that Knuth has various list head tricks of that sort... I forgot the details.)
< 1588473358 310861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can write write ListIter list_start(Node *node) { return (ListIter){.node = node, .started = false}; }
< 1588473401 487540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I* would probably not cram linked lists into that iterator style.
< 1588473417 374433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's unnecessary, certainly.
< 1588473425 100775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just iterate manually and it works fine.
< 1588473436 792927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm trying to figure out how to make it not horrible in simple cases.
< 1588473448 442518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not horrible"
< 1588473458 315835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're always so opinionated
< 1588473467 941935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bool list_next(ListIter *iter) { if (iter->started) { iter->node = iter->node->next; } else { iter->started = true; } return iter->node != 0; }
< 1588473479 673687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how to make it elegant rather than mildly annoying.
< 1588473588 23336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like this way very much. {.node = 0, .started = true} is the same as {.node = 0, .started = false}
< 1588473595 612386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another option:
< 1588473605 615159 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1588473607 961568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my problem with this is... how is the compiler supposed to get rid of the bool and produce the right code (which is the normal for (node *i = begin; i; i = i -> next) ...)
< 1588473627 239064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't ask me why I put spaces around the ->... too much Haskell, I suppose)
< 1588473676 495662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, really I want this style to work for more complicated kinds of iteration, where I think you have the same problem.
< 1588473690 987658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the simple truth is that I'm so used to the three-part iteration that I don't even find it annoying.
< 1588473699 369931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But probably if you inline _next the control flow will be pretty simple?
< 1588473704 223278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, does this work?
< 1588473709 693042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct ListIter { Node *node; Node *next; };
< 1588473772 246325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the real improvement is to make the iterator manipulation implicit. "for (x: list) { ... }")
< 1588473819 879875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ListIter list_start(Node *node) { return (ListIter){.node = node}; }
< 1588473840 408291 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure that isn't .next?
< 1588473849 766179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right, it's .next
< 1588473878 568797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bool list_next(ListIter *it) { it->node = it->next; if (it->node) { it->next = node->next; return true; } return false; }
< 1588473884 568401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that works and might be amenable to compiler optimization
< 1588473926 504877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks a bit like SSA style code.
< 1588473981 865603 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glulx has a built-in command for dealing with linked lists. I have used linked lists in C too though, as well as Glulx.
< 1588474108 931974 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a implementation of vi for 6502, but it isn't for Famicom (yet), although Famicom keyboard doesn't have any ASCII characters beyond 95 anyways (although nothing stops you from displaying them).
< 1588474142 313313 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi for the 6502? color me interested.
< 1588474151 703384 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim for the 6502 would be an accomplishment.
< 1588474253 187538 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is http://vi65.sourceforge.net/ but unfortunately not for Famicom, and I have a Famicom (although not the keyboard for it, nor a cartridge to load my own software in)
< 1588474284 622107 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :could probably be ported, aye?
< 1588474337 561334 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so.
< 1588474405 107768 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, no emulator I know of supports separated disk images, even though I said that would be a better feature to have.
> 1588474563 899305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HTV04 5*  10New user account
> 1588475232 30816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71648&oldid=71629 5* 03HTV04 5* (+321) 10/* Introductions */
> 1588475298 695879 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71649&oldid=69926 5* 03HTV04 5* (+104) 10Added my optimizing compiler for SmileBASIC 4.
> 1588475354 967370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71650&oldid=71649 5* 03HTV04 5* (+3) 10Fixed typo
< 1588475922 317390 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;; Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant permanent which is attached to another permanent ;; Enchanted permanent has totem armor and cumulative upkeep {1}.
< 1588480823 183783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1588480826 793546 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:ronald reagan//Ronald Reagan was an actor so great that he managed to convince the US that he was the President. Then he created the Star Wars project to destroy the Soviet Union. \ snow//Snow is Jesus's dandruffs, and some suspect that he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. It turns the sidewalks to white as if someone broke a lot of styrofoam on it. \ structural subtyping//Not to be confused with substructural typing. \ madness//mad
< 1588480832 163653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1588480833 23494 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ness lies thataway. \ rincewind//Rincewind is a wizzard. He likes potatoes.
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< 1588480865 628872 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate.
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< 1588482796 684116 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION completely forgot to work on his VAX emulator today ):
< 1588482828 475982 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now will you do it, then?
< 1588482935 30473 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes she could still focus on projects like that
< 1588482940 186132 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :A VAX emulator sounds neat
< 1588484047 76394 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's midnight
< 1588484054 906030 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am planning to go to bed :P
< 1588484078 516840 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe could add some instructions to the instr table but that's about it
< 1588484110 631988 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the weekend
< 1588484127 564492 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind, you may have plans in the morning.
< 1588484136 207978 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunday morning plans are not that uncommon, I suppose.
< 1588484167 129561 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people go to church on Sunday, but now is not the time to do that, with these virus
< 1588484171 53476 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to support a pseudo-64bit extension as a non-DEC-compliant feature flag, could go add those instr IDs
< 1588484179 517719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a range iterator would look like struct It { int cur, end, value; };
< 1588484198 229529 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some churches have been doing video services for their congregation, which seems like a reasonable compromise.
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< 1588484233 889205 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :#[cfg(feature = "64bit")]
< 1588484236 326503 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ADDQ2 = 0xC0FD,
< 1588484238 302282 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is gonna be repeated a lot
< 1588484244 332055 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'm a follower of any organized religions myself, but hey, some people are.
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< 1588484271 925386 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1588484296 687878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It next(It *it) { if (it->cur >= it->end) return false; it->value = it->cur; it->cur++; return true; }
< 1588484509 310759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you translate between the two styles?
< 1588484620 203691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha.
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< 1588487631 588336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone tried to play Scrabble with JavaScript reserved words worth triple?
< 1588487698 240612 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1588487719 559712 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a bit... arbitrary
< 1588487732 987675 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was mentioned once in xkcd
< 1588489249 509339 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add a command into TeXnicard for defining your own SQL collations, one use of it can be for the rarity of cards in Magic: the Gathering
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< 1588517311 333474 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning all
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< 1588525397 929803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this idea?
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< 1588535425 907261 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this.
< 1588535446 602770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like this?
< 1588535468 800071 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the attitude of this channel
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< 1588535803 907552 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I say I like this, then they are lying, but if I say I do not like this, then I will have to delete it. Therefore, I don't know.
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< 1588535874 994818 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like Richard Smullyan's puzzle
< 1588535950 879261 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, either that, or I am nobody.)
< 1588536104 265385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it mandatory to delete things you don't like?
< 1588536153 271424 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, actually is probably better to keep it in case one person likes this, but, they say that nobody likes this, and if that is true then there isn't a point.
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< 1588538495 333378 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.207.254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a point, actually in this line there are nine points over each of “i” letters (silly, they’re called dots, you’d say, but but but but)
< 1588538499 770141 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.207.254 NICK :arseniiv
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< 1588538908 613071 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deletion's hard
< 1588538948 410970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :From B-trees? That's annoyingly true.
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< 1588539024 416185 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data structures get easier if you only have to support adding things. Pity everything's finite.
< 1588539095 954163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One trick you can do is not rebalance your B-trees on deletion.
< 1588539106 218536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
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< 1588539255 691900 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've completed the initialization of the Minsky machine, with 5 pointers.
< 1588539321 586758 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, is two registers enough for turing completeness?
< 1588539330 274564 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist8: Yes
< 1588539338 134381 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so?
< 1588539386 835293 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all of the details, but yes it is enough (although one is insufficient).
< 1588539430 965608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use two registers to simulate a stack, and you can use two registers to simulate four registers.
< 1588539450 400567 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay. That sounds turing complete.
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< 1588539634 107296 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a proof.
< 1588539940 938150 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is a Minsky machine a finite-state automaton?
< 1588540030 16717 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easy to see that one register is insufficient.
< 1588540056 733341 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but why is a Minsky machine a finite-state automaton if the counters have an infinite number of values?
< 1588540066 819463 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
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< 1588540331 734905 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist8: a turing machine is also a finite state automaton.
< 1588540342 582260 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
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< 1588540418 243674 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, finite automata aren't automatically in one computational class just because they use finite state automata. what matters is what data structure is paired with your finite state automaton.
< 1588540487 201770 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pair a state machine with nothing and get what you'd expect: you're only able to store the current state. if you attach a tape, and wire up the transitions to be tape conditions + actions, it becomes a turing machine.
< 1588540514 533954 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite automata are the backbone of control flow. they do not determine how powerful a particular automaton can be. the structure they manipulate does that.
< 1588540576 149979 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense?
< 1588540689 79854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: whoa, you're a SAT solvulator?
< 1588540696 221131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :solvulater alligator
< 1588541184 408780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? solvulator
< 1588541185 656156 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :solvulator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1588541186 718340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? SAT solvulator
< 1588541187 895254 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAT solvulator? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1588541798 704515 :Antebrationist8!ca9a82a6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.202.154.130.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode, that makes perfect sense. Thank you.
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< 1588541880 53588 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem.
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< 1588545827 724756 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a bf variant already recorded that keeps track of an "indirection level". E.g. { increases indirection by one and } decreases indirection by one, so + becomes {>} and - becomes {<}. Same number of commands, but more expressive power.
< 1588545907 701516 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, [{]
< 1588546242 210497 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I thought about that too
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< 1588546324 27511 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: also what does } do when the level is already 0 :)
< 1588546365 54707 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't thought that far ahead :)
< 1588546367 153097 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, nothing, I suppose
< 1588546374 24552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: Anyway, it doesn't look familiar to me, for what it's worth. (I have not made a study of brainfuck derivatives.)
< 1588546403 159695 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate adding to bf derivatives because there is such a wealth of them it's hard to believe these ideas haven't already been explored
< 1588546430 377695 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, 95% of them just add redundant commands or are substitutions
< 1588546444 238659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time for a brainfuck derivative ontology :P
< 1588546472 47110 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought about undergoing the herculanian task of organizing them, but geez
< 1588546478 74524 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe next time I'm out of work
< 1588546481 611628 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, then you can see if one is done or not.
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< 1588546589 768339 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :And totally off topic,  I just learned that "gay tail" has a completely different meaning in the world of dogs
< 1588546651 690824 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vetstreet.com/dr-marty-becker/my-dog-has-a-gay-tail-what-does-this-mean
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< 1588546810 683410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one could also feature in a spy movie.
< 1588546877 349230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As long as it’s wagging, I’m happy. And you should be, too."
< 1588546904 370290 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1588546969 516962 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like this indirection idea. You could wrap a normal bf program in {} and have a memory mapped data pointer
< 1588547087 788901 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many BF derivatives even are there? Way the fuck too many, at least, but
< 1588547116 602551 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, way too many
< 1588547220 377050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: infinitely many, or close enough that it makes no difference
< 1588547247 382365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of derivatives of regular languages.
< 1588547254 406334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that extends to programming languages?
< 1588547271 346813 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the case, brainfuck is like the latin of programming languages
< 1588547276 704656 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :millions of little bastardizations
< 1588547317 534318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: s/regular//
< 1588547345 981185 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the point being that it's really an operation on any set of words)
< 1588547416 294548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even relevant for context-free languages, cf. Greibach normal form.
< 1588547559 347064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was more general than regular languages but I wasn't sure how much.
< 1588547568 527943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also if I just said "languages" it would be ambiguous.
< 1588547569 585909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1588547569 958352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 032250Z AUTO 11003KT 070V140 9999 OVC070 09/03 Q1019
< 1588547596 66994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I see, it's a pretty simple operation.
< 1588547628 654826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe the ambiguity would've made it better? I'm not sure I would've found the alternative meaning ("formal languages" in addition to "programming languages") though... so maybe not.
< 1588547648 417836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this called a derivative?
< 1588547731 254665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. Maybe if you treat words as monomials over a ring you get something similar?
< 1588548116 823040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looking at how the derivative of a regular expression is computed I guess I can see some similarity.
< 1588548168 292689 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like there's a difference between "an excessive finite number" and "actually infinite" :)
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< 1588548658 450080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the name seems to be due to Brzozowski (probably) and as far as I can see he didn't motivate the name...
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< 1588548688 394819 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: an inaccessible natural number is infinite for all intents and purposes ;)
< 1588548709 422297 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :My math degree compels me to disagree.
< 1588548735 511773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the disagreement?
< 1588548745 384762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think an inaccessible natural number is necessarily a non-standard natural number, and those *are* infinite)
< 1588548779 569614 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :humf
< 1588548782 65070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is dancing on a thin wire.
< 1588548809 624694 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure those really count as "natural numbers" unless you're using a very specialized and unusual definition thereof
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< 1588548847 14913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A natrual number is an element of a model of the Peano axioms.
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< 1588548883 290445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With induction as an axiom schema to make it first order and allow non-standard models :P)
< 1588548907 516737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think I *can* weasel my way out of this!
< 1588548917 618358 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can see the Peano axioms don't have any "inaccessible" natural numbers, since it seems to require that all numbers are reachable
< 1588548945 977009 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if I don't accept your definitions as being commonly-accepted or immediately useful or applicable!
< 1588548973 946375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, there's a difference between consistency and omega-consistency...
< 1588548996 960328 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, I know, although I fail to see how that is relevant.
< 1588549012 763264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh but all I have to demonstrate is that *I* am working with an--ahem--reasonable set of definitions that support my ideas.
< 1588549040 352048 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, generally mathematics doesn't work as a debate format.
< 1588549062 567005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It means that the Peano axioms (at least in their first-order logic formulation) are not as strong as you believe.
< 1588549076 591817 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more about working with an already-agreed-upon set of axioms and determining what can be derived from them. :)
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< 1588549092 501190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We're close enough to the foundations to be open to debate.
< 1588549108 167942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: O, OK
< 1588549118 818052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth I read int-e's first sentence that way.
< 1588549134 215372 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To my mind, the saving grace of math is not that there is no debate... it is that most of mathematics is detached from these foundational matters.
< 1588549134 623959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I figured "inaccessible" was probably talking about non-standard models.
< 1588549162 277381 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean, it *would* have to be.
< 1588549214 905850 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly I'm rejecting the use of a non-standard model as being applicable at all :D
< 1588549227 690334 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Where's the fun in that?
< 1588549233 140496 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reasonably sure that the number of Brainfuck derivatives that exists is a 100% bog-standard natural, alas
< 1588549238 862145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But how do you feel about Lawvere theories?
< 1588549240 258057 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1588549247 694284 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Brainfuck derivatives, they're not fun. :P
< 1588549264 933587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bog-standard natural is either zero or the successor of a bog-standard natural.
< 1588549295 387521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that set theory that had some sort of predicate like that?
< 1588549299 251198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm just arguing in my free time. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k )
> 1588549309 696021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FROM HERE TO THERE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71669&oldid=71664 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+143) 10/* Values of y */
< 1588549330 380530 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can't dispute that.
> 1588549389 706545 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Charlie0 5*  10New user account
< 1588549417 876271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I might act differently if this was ##math... though I probably wouldn't. This is too much fun :)
< 1588549429 190572 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :)
< 1588549473 514380 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, isn't that how it is work?
< 1588549474 903393 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full disclosure, my degree is in applied math specifically; waaay more concerned with the naturals and reals than I am more interesting number systems :P
< 1588549503 195558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't remember the details about this.
< 1588549525 778450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like ZF, but with an extra predicate -- maybe for things called "standard sets" -- that could only be used in particular ways
< 1588549571 385791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think it was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_set_theory
< 1588549758 76410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: On a different level, I'm not sure that the mathematical model of natural numbers is applicable to the number of Brainfuck derivatives... because that would mean that we would have to draw a line between languages that are mere Brainfuck derivatives and those that stand on their own, and we'd probably also have to produce a complete list of candidate languages. In practice that adds a...
< 1588549764 32617 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...degree of uncertainty and malleability that makes the number not mathematically well-defined. I'm honestly not sure which branch of philosophy such discussions belong to...
< 1588549785 432235 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ontology, I dare say.
< 1588549825 396167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohnology.
< 1588549834 773319 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean yeah, basically
< 1588549864 45276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that is a good start.
< 1588549923 323682 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, that's a branch of philosophy I haven't much studied.
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< 1588550052 867722 :Charlie0!55946beb@s55946beb.adsl.online.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :How in heavens do you update the Introductions page?
< 1588550067 639733 :Charlie0!55946beb@s55946beb.adsl.online.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow every single step but it still won't let me
< 1588550072 156327 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :🤷🏻‍♀️
< 1588550116 757935 :Charlie0!55946beb@s55946beb.adsl.online.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Editing Esolang:Introduce yourself (section)Error: This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: require new users to introduce
< 1588550117 256830 :Charlie0!55946beb@s55946beb.adsl.online.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :themselves
< 1588550120 34063 :Charlie0!55946beb@s55946beb.adsl.online.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1588550169 60492 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has like one page on the wiki to her name from 14 years ago
< 1588550174 366328 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't help ya there, sorry
< 1588550415 969357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charlie0: hmm, have you tried editing the whole page rather than a section?
< 1588550470 975725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guessing what the "(section)" part in that message means.)
< 1588550477 71438 :Charlie0!55946beb@s55946beb.adsl.online.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e I did not, so I tried that, and it still fails
< 1588550537 226482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, hmm, the instructions say to edit the section.
< 1588550624 911847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoyingly this is hard to test. All I can really say is that we've had a successful introduction today so it should work in principle.
< 1588550649 290758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And repeat the instructions, but that's awfully redundant.)
< 1588550854 9346 :Charlie0!55946beb@s55946beb.adsl.online.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, this isn't worth fixing a typo. Bye
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< 1588550879 16009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm just as I was trying to figure out what the checks actually are...
< 1588551322 814396 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh we can actually see the edit in question... it also changed "Amicloud" to "Amibutt" elsewhere in the page... this applies to *all* of Charlie0's attempts.
< 1588551325 843824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd.
< 1588551486 665009 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that is why it doesn't works, I suppose
< 1588551533 432457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, obviously... it counts as a removal (of the line being changed) and those are rejected. But how does this happen every single time?
< 1588551594 127963 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloud-to-Butt extension.
< 1588551639 896815 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1588551671 441411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What a stupid idea.
< 1588551681 603366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... this is why, mystery solved. :)
< 1588551689 962711 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's literally a joke extension, so hey :)
< 1588551720 283115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the joke just got real and \harmful.
< 1588551773 577358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's kind of okay to do this to normal page contents, but doing it text fields that will be submitted is a terrible idea.
< 1588551799 241254 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not wrong
< 1588551848 332866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/panicsteve/cloud-to-butt/issues/55
< 1588551867 335140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including the observation that it's not *this* particular extension)
< 1588552034 985883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the solution for self-diagnosis by Charlie0 would've been to do a "show changes". It would've looked odd (showing a line as changed with no visible difference) but it would've been some clue at least.
< 1588552404 915455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so that's the typo fix
< 1588552440 421018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wanted to change a typoed butt
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> 1588553032 91642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71670&oldid=71660 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+644) 10
< 1588554278 276802 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: brainfuck with indirection, implemented in Rust: https://gitlab.ytrizja.de/zseri/befinde
< 1588554834 141307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's funny that the (section) edit actually made this more likely to go through.
< 1588554841 364427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess not more likely enough.
< 1588555731 983320 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: zseri
> 1588555948 327820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Charlie014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71671 5* 03Int-e 5* (+429) 10introduction instructions
< 1588555979 365466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe they can see that. It can hardly hurt.)
< 1588556000 895884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Now who wants to go through all wiki edits and look for changes of cloud to butt? )
< 1588556043 452448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm beginning to think of this as a feature... except for the terrible diagnostics.
< 1588556391 76348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anybody else notice that we lost all interest in Intcode once the AoC event was over?
< 1588556405 987129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it wasn't all that exciting as a programming language really.
< 1588556517 289861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't ever look at it in the first place.
< 1588556530 842756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write a permutations iterator and now I'm wondering whether there's a better way.
< 1588556821 414175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is it January again?
< 1588557101 574804 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei
< 1588557102 881649 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020-05-04 01:51:42.272 +0000 UTC May 4 Monday 2020-W19-1
< 1588557112 154309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ^ no, still month --05
< 1588557214 770962 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1588557216 25662 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is starving for attention.
< 1588557495 872652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password
< 1588557497 765996 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :12323:2020-04-05 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is starving for attention. \ 12318:2020-03-01 <arseniïv> learn The password of the month was fought for, and stomped on, but it remains unreconciled with \ 12310:2020-02-12 <shachäf> undo 12307 \ 12309:2020-02-12 <int-̈e> revert \ 12308:2020-02-12 <shachäf> learn The password of the month is always set on the 12th of the month. \ 12307:2020-02-01 <Hooloovö0> learn The password
< 1588558251 777671 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a hidden field that says "This field is meant to detect invertent tampering such as changing 'cloud' to 'butt'" and then display an error message if that message has been tampered with.
> 1588558402 455462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Voltage200714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71672&oldid=70184 5* 03Fwander 5* (-91) 10Replaced content with "Thanks!"
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< 1588558522 246932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1588560436 277363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: seems rather pointless; there must be dozens of such plugins for different replacements...
< 1588560556 883099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, this partly contradicts what I wrote about considering this a feature. I *am* happy that it caught this particular add-on, but obviously that was due to sheer luck.)
< 1588560665 188670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... maybe a more proper check for this kind of add-on would have a hidden input with the whole page to be edited along with the textarea, and check that it's submitted without modifications. That seems to be a lot of overhead though...
< 1588560693 458644 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that seems too much of overhead
< 1588560748 289844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's easy to imagine that an add-on would do those edits randomly and then all those measures will be rather futile.
< 1588560758 865080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... not worth bothering with.
< 1588560764 397830 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
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> 1588568434 895698 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71673&oldid=71174 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+7) 10/* text2pxem.pl */ Recopied and repasted the program name from official blog
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< 1588568586 278180 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I am halfway through the ALU for the Minsky Machine.
< 1588568608 250044 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1588568625 109262 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I finished the initialisation component.
< 1588568638 192118 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very modular.
< 1588568669 529114 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initialisation module, data reading module, Addition ALU, Subtraction ALU, character jumper.
< 1588568716 623506 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I finally have a name - Eldritch.
< 1588568767 480291 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1588568966 606446 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to solve a Magic: the Gathering puzzle at this time.
< 1588568979 977278 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1588568985 416801 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... MTG is Turing complete.
< 1588568992 759303 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am aware of that.
< 1588569001 604088 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cool, isn
< 1588569011 495809 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t it, that a simple card game can be TC.
< 1588569052 277356 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wanted to see if someone can represent Goldbach's Conjecture or Fermat's Last Theorem as a Magic: the Gathering puzzle.
< 1588569067 610198 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1588569115 2102 :Antebrationist!ca9a8440@202-154-132-64.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLT should be fairly trivial, but Goldbach's Conjecture, while theoretically possible is insanely difficult.
< 1588569155 855180 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't invented my own new puzzles recently, although I have invented some puzzles some time ago, and I believe they still work with the current rules (although I mentioned what version of the rules they use anyways, just in case).
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< 1588569265 422235 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also started making up my own set of Magic: the Gathering cards. But, how should collector numbers be determined?
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< 1588569653 322756 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else asked if a Magic: the Gathering puzzle will be made up like Mitrofanov's chess study. I didn't know about until they asked, and then I looked it up on Wikipedia and found it.
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< 1588571355 517468 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess so :D
< 1588571416 165136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should've asked you all my questions about SAT solvers back when I was trying to figure things out.
< 1588571424 368642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment my CDCL solver is on hold.
< 1588571454 970312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I was working on it I needed to figure out how to do clause deletion.
> 1588571484 45510 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Padlock14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71674 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+8) 10Initial page
< 1588571578 434683 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've implemented the multi-tier strategy from https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-24318-4_23 and AFAIK most solvers converged on a variation of that
< 1588571659 532431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just misreading the output of MiniSAT so I thought clause deletion was much less important than it actually was.
< 1588571770 689125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is the multi-tier strategy described?
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< 1588571838 18778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the chapter by Oh?
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< 1588573326 380356 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah
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< 1588574736 573688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: collector numbers are assigned sequentially in the set after sorting it first by whether the card appears in randomized booster packs, then by border color (the groups are IIRC devoid, w, u, b, r, g, hybrid, gold, artifact, land, but I'm not certain about the details) then English name
< 1588574785 972351 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can use existing sets as an example
< 1588574957 778336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I know what you mentioned, but want to know the other details too
< 1588575032 70988 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we should put control characters including lone lf and crlf, and some invalid utf-8 and other traps into that page :)
< 1588576773 181982 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Mitrofanov's chess study?
< 1588576940 286439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: Oh, I just noticed you linked to the specific paper.
< 1588576960 282468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just clicked on the PDF link and it took me to the entire book so I spent some time searching it for tiers.
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< 1588578223 500993 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just remembered that I also wrote a short summary of what I did: https://jix.one/refactoring-varisat-4-heuristics/#clause-database-reduction
< 1588578356 957270 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that also explains a few things that Oh's paper probably takes for granted)
< 1588579035 312135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which things?
< 1588579087 609813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, the glue level is the smallest number of total decisions that's been needed to reach a conflict or unit in the clause? Or something along those lines.
< 1588579099 812090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably start by implementing a really simple heuristic for deletion and then jam it up later.
< 1588579386 774353 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah glue level and clause activities ... I'm not sure into how much detail Oh's paper goes been some time since I read it
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< 1588579826 332264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. I'll look at this more closely soon.
< 1588579828 515488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
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< 1588582802 233151 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A000001
< 1588582888 597486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A182105
< 1588582942 568770 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/A003075
< 1588583060 937621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad so few terms are given.
< 1588583195 27850 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing two more was hard enough ;)
< 1588583197 81397 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Do you know how names are sorted?
< 1588583207 926440 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me half a year of fulltime work essentially
< 1588583226 985578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: Oh, you're cited there.
< 1588583232 828279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good OEIS entry.
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< 1588583274 57186 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :still need to write the paper on how I did it, but can't find time :(
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< 1588583294 659503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's recent too.
< 1588583297 245591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neato.
< 1588583669 460822 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. Wizards is unlikeley to have published those internal procedures, and I haven't tried to reverse engineer them.
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< 1588584285 14789 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "InnerBorder" column to specify the border, although if it is null, then it will be determined automatically. I should add a procedure into the major template to calculate this; it can then be called by different rendering templates to decide which border to render, and may also be usable by the major template too, in order to decide collector numbers, I suppose.
< 1588584408 634854 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The values of the "ConvManaCost" and "ColorIdentity" columns are automatically set by the "auto." procedure (meant to be called by the user), and that procedure is also meant to assign collector numbers (I can use the ROW_NUMBER window function), although that part isn't implemented yet.
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< 1588585317 18437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can override that for silly stuff like Transguild Courier
< 1588585362 119764 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you describe how that works?
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< 1588585395 656295 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do intend to probably allow the card database to contain a user variable which defines how collector numbers are assigned; if it exists, it will use that instead of the default.
< 1588585467 584637 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also just avoid using the auto. procedure if you want to assign converted mana costs, color identities, and collector numbers manually.)
< 1588585673 773465 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at Transguild Courier, and if you mean the frame, then you can already override the frame.
< 1588585981 454188 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it look like Transguild Courier is grouped with the artifacts even though it has a gold frame. I also seem to remember that MSE ignores the frame and uses only the mana cost, although I don't know how accurate that is.
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< 1588590305 354911 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I'm talking about computing the Courier's color and frame. The stupid errata where he had a 5-color color indicator (not representable in print because of the stupid decision that a color indicator is one bullet even for two colors) has been reverted (for a reprint),
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< 1588590390 313990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the Courier is now omnicolored only because of his characteristic-changing abil. You can't guess his color autom'lly from his mana cost.
< 1588590435 462334 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That plus there are cards with devoid.
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< 1588593357 467910 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5947:6874:cf31:c541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo83: I love Mitrofanov's study!
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< 1588602084 685752 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: hey, just sent you an e-mail
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< 1588605450 217628 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay, you've send me an OpenPGP-encrypted mail (which I was able to decrypt), but didn't send an pubkey to encrypt, and I wasn't able to fetch your key from the keyservers, and I wasn't able to fetch a *currently valid* key via WKD, hm. (all keys retrievable via WKD were expired)
< 1588605515 135099 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: I did not intend to do that. I'm using protonmail. They must have automatically encrypted it for some reason?
< 1588605569 205804 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time I've encountered that
< 1588605708 791605 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that 'indirect BF' would probably require either BigNums or relative addressing (changed it to relative addressing for now). BF seems to have a direct equivalent in indirect BF, but that only works if the initial indirection is zero. Maybe it would be a good idea to add some operation which is able to deterministically and always reset the indirection to zero...
> 1588605717 19457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07&brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71680 5* 03Orby 5* (+1606) 10Creating reference bf
< 1588605823 877271 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, there are two variants: unbounded cells with absolute addressing; and bounded cells with relative addressing...
< 1588606102 724056 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: well, I think the model should use unbounded tape and unbounded positive cells with absolute addressing. Implementation can just use a tape of 65536 16-bit unsigned cells, or whatevs. But I think absolute addressing is important.
< 1588606196 720966 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can show you the snippets of an implementation in C that I wrote that might make it clearer what I mean
< 1588606238 582866 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.forder.cc/ufowonijej.cs
< 1588606258 456713 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the pseudocode
> 1588606391 840558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07&brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71681&oldid=71680 5* 03Zseri 5* (+54) 10
< 1588606425 461371 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1588606476 996642 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched to the *, & syntax because I'm really interested in [*] and I think writing [{] looks really strange
< 1588606591 107475 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative addressing makes writing programs more complicated, but makes writing interpreters and compilers easier, and practically the pointer doesn't "jump back" to 0 with every indirection on a pre-filled cell (=0), but instead just stays there...
< 1588606661 355780 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be possible to build a compiler that transforms programs from one form to the other, which would be really non-trivial to do manually...
< 1588606705 396027 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the absolute addressing model, but if you're interested in relative addressing by all means explore it and write about it on the wiki page
< 1588606723 630759 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting between the two could be really hard
< 1588606823 520598 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :A really interesting implementation detail is what happens when you modify a cell that is part of the indirection chain
< 1588606880 7621 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about converting) yep, but possible as long as no I/O is involved. Would probably require a execution or simulation of the whole thing, tho.... 
< 1588606885 882642 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. tape is 1 2 3 0, indirection is 4, data pointer is 0, what does < do?
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< 1588607003 303605 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably set cell 0 = 0, then the selected cell would stay the same... Or have I messed up the indirection count?
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< 1588607036 488948 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I agree
> 1588607048 709253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Regimin14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71684 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1434) 10Created page with "'''Regimin''' is a minimal 2D Turing-complete esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Program format== The program is expected to be a perfect square. Whitespace is ign..."
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< 1588607093 717897 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ensuring that the interpreter does that correctly is tricky
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< 1588607139 891916 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be archieved by caching the pointer before accessing/modifying the cell.
< 1588607212 195781 :orbitaldecay!~orbitalde@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, I think I've also handled that behavior correctly in the snippet I posted
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< 1588613445 79922 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have actually already thought of devoid and "~ is [colors]" abilities, but only if they are the first ability of the card. Although I think a color indicator is better for that particular use anyways. The frame can already be overridden anyways, although it does affect color identity (which is easier to compute when a color indicator is used instead).
< 1588613829 382775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: first ability only? could work. Valiant Changeling for some reason has a self type changing ability as non-first ability -- I don't know why they ordered it that way, since that ability acts in all zones
< 1588613861 952688 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/artifact/33f11dfdacc8b9d2 You can see here how color identity is computed. Color indicators (entered as part of the type line) are considered, although abilities currently aren't considered.
< 1588613942 598802 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides devoid cards and Transguild Courier, I think the only card with a characteristic-changing ability that changes its color is Ghostfire
< 1588613979 781207 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, actually, considering abilities other than the first probably wouldn't be too difficult to do, anyways.
< 1588614062 123803 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evermind, Ancestral Vision, Wheel of Fate, Living End, and the future sight Pacts are errataed to have color indicators
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< 1588614228 248116 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I am intending this mainly for custom cards, although custom sets can include reprints of official cards too.
< 1588614323 121767 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, these are existing examples
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< 1588614373 263229 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is good to know, though.
< 1588614457 649251 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an interesting puzzle. Is &brainfuck tc using only []*& ?
< 1588614465 446110 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the file I linked? If there is a mistake in it, then hopefully you can tell me what mistake you found.
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< 1588615019 610510 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl and Elixir are the same language, change my mind.
< 1588615065 666041 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both use immutable values, but have units of mutability that cannot be garbage collected.
< 1588615065 835936 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about that.
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< 1588615111 37712 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know Elixir well enough to say.
< 1588615195 174232 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang?
< 1588615304 270022 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I don't think so, because you need at least one non-zero cell to navigate.
< 1588615423 244223 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :*> is sufficient to emulate 3 star programmer
< 1588615466 227831 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I guess you need a loop too
< 1588615469 145642 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :so []*>
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< 1588616752 693604 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be quite interesting to implement an 3SP interpreter including the output extension in &bf (easier) or befinde (harder bc relative addressing)...
< 1588616787 898499 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does 3SP halt when dereferencing 0?
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< 1588616850 373375 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the halting condition?
< 1588617214 779371 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the halting condition would be something similiar to: no cell changed and no output was produced, both in the last cycle
< 1588617230 936883 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that means nothing can change anymore.
< 1588617302 65091 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. second cell must be even, all cells should be hashed or such... the translation should reserve some bookkeeping memory for that...
< 1588617351 454003 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be cool to write higher level programs in it, or at least have a compiler that transforms higher-level programs into indirect BF...
< 1588617398 327473 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :&bf and befinde should be easy to compile to, 3sp is some next level shit
< 1588617432 722656 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have  no idea how to do anything constructive in 3sp
< 1588617450 942076 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's even known if it's tc
< 1588617641 773891 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool to compile 3SP -> indirect BF, tho.
< 1588617800 881766 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. read number from input 2. select cell 3. apply indirection 4. '>' 5. undo indirection ... the difficult parts are: reserve memory for a hash or parity sum of the other cells and calculate that...
< 1588617890 912966 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "no change" is the halting condition. Won't the increment guarantee that there's always a change?
< 1588618042 873462 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another language that is probably easy to emulate in &bf and befinde is cyclic tag
< 1588618657 965108 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another interesting thought: in &bf < isn't really necessary if there are infinitely many zeros on the tape because you can [>]* to start at the begining of the tape again
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> 1588619116 96047 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71694&oldid=71599 5* 03Orby 5* (+71) 10
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< 1588619317 306678 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this regular expression is suitable for finding characteristic defining abilities which define the color of the card?  (^|\n\n)(\~|This [a-z]+) is( (and )?(white|blue|black|red|green|all colors),?)*\.(\n\n|$)
< 1588619340 85589 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than devoid)
< 1588619382 425268 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I forgot "colorless"
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> 1588621096 309259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07&brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71695&oldid=71681 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* See also */
> 1588621120 489236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71696&oldid=71693 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10/* See also */
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< 1588622275 329005 :PSDW!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 52 ^ 34
< 1588622275 495568 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSDW: 2.20858e58
< 1588622296 697571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 52^34
< 1588622299 288823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22085827895139816776239946565283164870185114992726805315584
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< 1588622416 423704 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -eprint(float(52)**34, "==", 52**34)
< 1588622418 581528 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: -e \ usage: python3 [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... \ Try `python -h' for more information.
< 1588622421 903596 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cprint(float(52)**34, "==", 52**34)
< 1588622423 207104 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.2085827895139817e+58 == 22085827895139816776239946565283164870185114992726805315584
< 1588622483 68422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine 52.0 does the trick as well.
< 1588622489 212343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1588622496 245182 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python3 -cprint(52.0**34, "==", 52**34)
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> 1588622541 89860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07&brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71697&oldid=71695 5* 03Orby 5* (+94) 10Adding reference implementation
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< 1588623327 909415 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: befinde has a trivial way to return to the start: [<]; I think *[<]& would be sufficient to let the current cell point at zero; equivalent to 'get me to zero' of (your code in &bf) in Befinde would be *[&>*]
> 1588623467 405748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71698&oldid=71696 5* 03Zseri 5* (+145) 10+Patterns
< 1588623496 789672 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, &bf has a similar construction: wrap your program like "*> program &", then any time inside the program you want to reset the data pointer just do &[*<&]*
< 1588623511 272488 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically memory maps the data pointer to 0
< 1588623681 333409 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my implementation (and befinde is optimized to be easy to implement) mapping the data pointer even simplified the implementation and made the behavoir more consistent.
< 1588623812 553409 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can see how that would be
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< 1588623888 289491 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your thought of removing indirection from [ and ] is interesting
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< 1588623956 692544 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't make much of a difference, but it is more consistent with the rest of the commands, because no other command has such implicit indirection.
< 1588624011 913252 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1588624021 615584 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, is there a way to reset the indirection back to zero, without invoking UB or crashing the interpreter?
< 1588624045 531106 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :not after [*]
< 1588624111 399985 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a way of thinking about indirect bf as not needing & at all
< 1588624140 774200 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say * replaces the data pointer with the value of the current cell
> 1588624145 544829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71699&oldid=71698 5* 03Zseri 5* (+15) 10/* Useful patterns */
< 1588624188 79646 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are bf variants that have this command
< 1588624233 71822 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are a lot of ways of thinking of *>[] as tc
< 1588624250 787437 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every invocation of that command would make the control flow more difficult, because you could accidentially modify a cell that is part of the dereference chain...
< 1588624306 996391 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean eliminate the concept of the chain completely. Instead of having indirection levels, just have * copy the value of the current cell to the data pointer.
< 1588624321 117572 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to reverse it
< 1588624349 375277 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some ways this concept is cleaner, or at least easier to implement, but in other ways it's not as nice conceptually
> 1588624408 791270 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71700&oldid=71699 5* 03Zseri 5* (-18) 10/* Useful patterns */
< 1588624411 51759 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbolic brainfuck has this
< 1588624430 513152 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
> 1588624496 312090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07&brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71701&oldid=71697 5* 03Orby 5* (+25) 10
< 1588624527 640465 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbolic bf also has the opposite (something roughly equivalent to &), but without the chaining.
< 1588624547 603967 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, unfortunately they're not actually inverses of each other in symbolic bf
< 1588624564 431537 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:5947:6874:cf31:c541 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588624572 396375 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :*& in symbolic bf doesn't actually restore the original state
< 1588624630 409617 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted a bf variant with reference and dereference where the operators were actually inverses. If you change the looping construct in &bf to match the looping construct in Reversible BF, then &bf is reversible, too
< 1588624665 502546 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true of symbolic bf
< 1588624802 44167 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :befinde can also be made to be reversible in the same way
< 1588624860 819209 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :just patch up the looping construct, then to reverse a program just reverse the string replacing [ with ], ] with [, & with *, * with &, > with <, and < with >
< 1588624887 727994 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice property
< 1588625080 375743 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure about [ and ] ? I don't think simple string replacing in the way you described would be enough. You need to keep the branching information. And the indirection makes a correct implementation of the parts which depend on the raw value of a cell more difficult...
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< 1588625203 892008 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished subtraction logic unit and ALU, halfway through conditionals/
< 1588625213 43491 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you need to change the behavior of the loop. Enter on non-zero, loop on zero instead of Enter on non-zero, loop on non-zero.
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< 1588625675 634677 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38?
< 1588625706 225383 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm nearly ready to publish it to esolangs.org, do you have any tips on formatting or the like?
< 1588625795 176262 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay, does &brainfuck have I/O?
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< 1588626177 584670 :orbitaldecay!~bob@2604:2dc0:100:419:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, up to the implementation but not required
< 1588626189 402384 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
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< 1588626331 713575 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: You can read the MediaWiki documentation if you need to know about formatting
< 1588626348 782763 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, could I have a link to that?
< 1588626474 974693 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Formatting
< 1588626492 108358 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1588626603 732064 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the codeblock?
< 1588626649 287265 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it <code></code>
< 1588626690 329404 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add a space at the beginning of each line, is one way
< 1588626719 668038 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588626969 558105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder if I should enable the SyntaxHighlight extension. It's been bundled with MediaWiki for quite a while now.
< 1588626974 365027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most of our code blocks aren't in any generally known language though. But it allows automated line numbering and highlighting, which might be sometimes useful.
< 1588627063 706549 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not, because I think that such a thing can be done by the user (I also wrote a specification for doing that).
< 1588627782 38810 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a idea:  Each player chooses a creature, and then each of those creatures gains flanking until end of turn.
< 1588627802 165849 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This could also be used with shadow.)
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< 1588629151 444475 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: poke
< 1588629164 208688 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have any advice on getting a working assembler for the VAX?
< 1588629173 240045 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't know.
< 1588629176 395800 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been trying to get 4.3BSD installed in SIMH, but it doesn't seem to like me)
< 1588629184 483221 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have never programmed in VAX)
< 1588629187 798588 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
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< 1588631001 19168 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I fixed it so that it detects abilities such as "~ is all colors"
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> 1588636077 928689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71702&oldid=71683 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+76) 10
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< 1588636658 641885 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a machine comprised of an infinite number of finite-state automata Turing Complete?
< 1588636681 284428 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking an infinite cellular automata of sorts.
< 1588636855 163837 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some cellular automata are Turing complete.
< 1588636985 575335 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I know that there are 2^256 2d automata, and 2^268435456 3d cellular automata, but what exactly makes a CA turing complete?
< 1588637140 605363 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:85c8:e28f:24d2:a4af PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: The arguments usually involve implementing circuits somehow. Also, there are more cellular automata than that if you consider more states per cell or larger/differently shaped neighbourhoods.
< 1588637234 220900 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:85c8:e28f:24d2:a4af PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: It's basically not easy to check whether any particular cellular automaton is Turing complete, and the manner in which the equivalence is carried out might be different each time.
< 1588637261 513614 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so there is no known general solution.
< 1588637582 602775 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:85c8:e28f:24d2:a4af PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8unMqSp0bFY
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< 1588638393 563837 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"known" heh
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> 1588638630 461242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poohbear14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71704&oldid=51363 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10
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< 1588645167 678078 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good? http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/artifact/ea9d27eca03edd9c
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< 1588648639 889897 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, finished the Minsky Machine.
< 1588648652 75466 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for all the help.
< 1588648666 420865 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really helped me to understand the alternate state transitions.
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< 1588651117 627931 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a PCRE error 
< 1588651126 121453 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a PCRE error "internal error: previously-checked referenced subpattern not found (at 39)".
< 1588651177 537379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh.
< 1588651263 790380 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is even though I have no back references
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< 1588651302 281342 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, getting rid of the PCRE_NO_AUTO_CAPTURE option fixed it, somehow.
< 1588651303 839512 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used up an A2 sheet of paper planning the Minsky machine, and now I'm just copying it to a text file.
< 1588651331 345870 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you know why it is? The regular expression is: (?<!\[)(\(([^()]++|(?1))+\))(?![^{]*\})
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< 1588652809 611278 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i'm going to go on a little halting adventure
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< 1588653266 75673 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Wizards of the Coast use an inconsistent file format for the rules?
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< 1588656451 344477 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Here is the sprunge for the unfinished Minsky.
< 1588656452 565314 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/zICJfl
< 1588656490 796494 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think so far?
< 1588656511 12880 :Antebrationist!ca9a832e@202-154-131-46.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently broken, and I've linked a few bits together, but you get the ideas.
< 1588656531 277331 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know right now.
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< 1588656549 904511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did look, though)
< 1588658503 488400 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does aplay have a assertion error if it is interrupted after the music has finished?
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< 1588670849 451410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1588670853 685133 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:study//A study is mostly useless until backed up by further studies. See studies. \ `whoops//`whoops is a repluralizer. \ gentlebeing//A gentlebeing is a gender and species neutral gentleman. \ xyzzy//Nothing happens. \ stephen wolfram//Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him.
< 1588670865 125999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? studies
< 1588670866 856969 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. These two studies agree, but were secretly paid for by the same company.
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> 1588679858 590711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MC14500B14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71721&oldid=71720 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+34) 10format + typo
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> 1588683442 239133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71723&oldid=71700 5* 03Zseri 5* (+184) 10/* Useful patterns */ increment all cells until we find the pointer
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< 1588683474 693527 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in befinde, some loop "against" the indirection count would be nice...
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< 1588686276 456663 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :zseri: could you elaborate? like a loop that checks the indirection count as a condition?
< 1588687337 191740 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1588687710 845719 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is needed because there is no other way to check the indirection count without possibily causing UB or crashing the interpreter (I don't really want commands that silently 'do nothing' because then reverse operations could do unintended stuff)...
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> 1588691670 92772 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71726&oldid=71725 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* Calling */
< 1588691937 365467 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just code so that the data pointer is always 0, that way when you do [&] it breaks out of the loop when the level of indirection is 0
< 1588691983 860791 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work in &bf, but it works in befinde
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< 1588692042 868344 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it doesn't, because you would need to know where the cell 0 is, to decrement it to zero before [&].
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< 1588692104 528956 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you *need* a data pointer != 0 to be able to access cells different than cell 0.
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> 1588692332 197859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71728&oldid=71723 5* 03Zseri 5* (+138) 10/* Commands */ while(indcnt)
< 1588692415 107089 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :*>>*>&
< 1588692424 78242 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data pointer is always 0, but you increment cell 2
< 1588692454 131395 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're doing something way different from what I'm doing
< 1588692473 792609 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's right, you're memory mapping your data pointer
< 1588692474 922610 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1588692493 763483 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's problematic
< 1588692604 883404 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I modified my befinde interpreter, so that loops can access variables "out-of-bounds" (e.g. negative cell positions), but only in the loop condition, they always terminate the loop...
< 1588692680 519342 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if that has any benefit... Maybe one could set _[0]=1; _[1]=-x or such...
< 1588692886 758699 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has one benefit: some programs run a few more stmts before panicking)...
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< 1588703695 986379 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has there been any updates on picofuck?
< 1588703732 957341 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: there haven't been. I've been playing around with some different ideas
< 1588703747 789916 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically &brainfuck
< 1588703762 266895 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :any progress on your side?
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< 1588703803 267448 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing more than what I said the other day
< 1588703812 620071 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you mean by "&brainfuck"
< 1588703826 319312 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is very interesting and i want to work on it more
< 1588703831 810784 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/%26brainfuck
< 1588703847 400216 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find the picofuck problem very interesting and want to work on it more
< 1588703870 302880 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have kind of a fuzzy idea for a potential way to get picofuck to work
< 1588703907 825088 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha that is a wonderful idea
< 1588703911 946620 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference brainfuck
< 1588703919 361924 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool! Good luck!
< 1588703936 913480 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one instruction incremented a counter, and the other instruction was an interpreter that executed the instruction referenced by the interpreter, it might be kind of a cheaty way to get it to work
< 1588703962 646469 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, writing an rbf self interpreter might be a start
> 1588704130 525347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/XShell14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71740 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1518) 10Created page with "=Pyvix= '''Pyvix''' is an esolang usable by the XShell operating system (XOS).  ==Learn by examples== ===Hello World===  get_os().exec("echo Hello World") Or:  get_os().cmd("e..."
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< 1588704372 716396 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to finally write an rbf interpreter
< 1588704399 800645 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semordnilap is basically the same language and I've written an interpreter for that
< 1588704687 615488 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I have an idea for picofuck. I will type it up on the discussion page now.
< 1588704734 133756 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see you are already thinking along the same lines I am
< 1588704744 40869 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me digest what you've written
< 1588704951 157915 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are you salpynx on the wiki?
< 1588705051 147216 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 
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< 1588705633 602612 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if they hang out on IRC. Have you read their comments?
> 1588705692 86127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71744&oldid=71549 5* 03Orby 5* (+1320) 10
> 1588705747 865404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Salpynx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71745&oldid=59140 5* 03Orby 5* (+142) 10
> 1588705764 103701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Salpynx14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71746&oldid=71745 5* 03Orby 5* (+69) 10
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< 1588706030 79412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think this was the last time they were here: https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-02-05.html#ljc
< 1588706097 647098 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1588706109 781824 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left a message on their talk page, hopefully we get to catch up
> 1588706299 718077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71747&oldid=71744 5* 03Orby 5* (+327) 10/* More ideas in the Salpynx vein */
> 1588706577 415013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71748&oldid=71747 5* 03Orby 5* (+401) 10/* Discussion */
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> 1588706784 260195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71749&oldid=71586 5* 03Orby 5* (+48) 10Changing equivalence back to isomorphism
> 1588706936 871411 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71750&oldid=71748 5* 03Orby 5* (+441) 10
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> 1588707698 726600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71751&oldid=71750 5* 03Orby 5* (+574) 10/* More ideas in the Salpynx vein */
> 1588707998 318436 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71752&oldid=71694 5* 03Orby 5* (+30) 10
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> 1588708792 603262 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71753&oldid=71751 5* 03Orby 5* (+609) 10/* More thoughts on isomorphism */
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< 1588709571 426774 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took long enough. https://i.imgur.com/DsaxQdn.png
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> 1588710166 373717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Stub14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71754&oldid=71244 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10
> 1588710317 474034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71755&oldid=71739 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+784) 10
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< 1588711441 251870 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :this picofuck problem is driving me completely up a wall
< 1588711516 390937 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think anyone is on who is interested in talking about it
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< 1588711793 379283 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: hm?
> 1588711807 455754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71756&oldid=71749 5* 03Orby 5* (-35) 10Rewording for brevity
< 1588711824 769794 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i probably can't even help now that I look
< 1588711826 592577 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1588711852 275746 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worries. It's a tricky problem.
< 1588711915 226103 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What problem is that?
< 1588712001 1123 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :picofuck
< 1588712016 894816 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 command "simple translation" of reversible bitfuck
< 1588712033 74383 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hypothetical language that I still haven't proven or disproven the existence of
< 1588712076 171182 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent some time thinking about it in 2017 and recently revisited the idea
< 1588712191 896953 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
> 1588712299 564724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nanofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71757&oldid=71589 5* 03Orby 5* (-1) 10/* Definition */
> 1588712322 508096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nanofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71758&oldid=71757 5* 03Orby 5* (-67) 10/* Machine */
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< 1588713958 689235 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, is there a general consensus does one need a license or permission to own a trebuchet or a ballista
< 1588713982 265789 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about using them, is there a country where siege weapons are legal?
> 1588716305 325469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71759&oldid=71753 5* 03Orby 5* (+1466) 10/* More thoughts on isomorphism */
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> 1588716864 819436 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Emerald 5*  10New user account
> 1588717381 809946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71760&oldid=71648 5* 03Emerald 5* (+192) 10/* Introductions */
> 1588717495 59800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71761&oldid=71760 5* 03Emerald 5* (+11) 10/* Introductions */
> 1588717705 81259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71762 5* 03Emerald 5* (+151) 10Made the page
> 1588718264 617866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71763 5* 03Emerald 5* (+159) 10Made page
> 1588718352 929073 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71764&oldid=71763 5* 03Emerald 5* (+10) 10Fix category
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> 1588719445 439762 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71765&oldid=71756 5* 03Orby 5* (+869) 10Providing examples. Generalizing definition.
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> 1588719719 256538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71766&oldid=71765 5* 03Orby 5* (+162) 10injective and surjective
< 1588719762 23893 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The effective use of rainbow energy in Pokemon card: http://zzo38computer.org/img_1D/rainbowenergy0.png
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> 1588720709 720551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71767&oldid=71766 5* 03Orby 5* (+1362) 10/* Examples */
< 1588720914 539877 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Pokemon card?
> 1588721115 16311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71768&oldid=71767 5* 03Orby 5* (-3) 10/* Another example */
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> 1588721509 634920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71769&oldid=71768 5* 03Orby 5* (-107) 10/* Another example */ Fixing error
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> 1588722812 378518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71770&oldid=71769 5* 03Orby 5* (+79) 10
> 1588722838 971287 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71771 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+860) 10Created page with "'''2001: An Esolang Odyssey''' is a programming language for HAL 9000 computers developed by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Syntax== When HAL executes a 2001 program, he..."
> 1588722877 936016 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71772&oldid=71771 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10
> 1588723774 433856 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71773&oldid=71759 5* 03Orby 5* (+119) 10/* More ideas in the Salpynx vein */
> 1588723786 890569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71774&oldid=71773 5* 03Orby 5* (+1) 10/* More ideas in the Salpynx vein */
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< 1588723935 593443 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I feel for the schizophrenic guy who hangs out in #osdev
< 1588723954 41031 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just spouts psychotic nonsense about bitwise operations to no one
< 1588724097 780416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( can you paste an example? )
< 1588724242 657854 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.forder.cc/caqosotezu.coffeescript
< 1588724322 230071 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been going on like this for 30 minutes to himself
< 1588724393 419565 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof.
< 1588724406 785596 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a bot?
< 1588724452 405978 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's an actual person. they were having a conversation with someone the other day who was egging them on. it was really sad.
< 1588724483 703162 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impressive, because it fooled me.
< 1588724494 262393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: luckily we're all nice people and would never do that to you
< 1588724494 612367 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm. i wonder if i'd have access through the ( other) uni as well. 5 phases/ passes. phase 5 being the target emitter. just add counters to sum the value 30 fnord e fnord
< 1588724525 751314 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I thought it was a bit too coherent on the technical side to be a bot.
< 1588724526 351274 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets fungot, her favorite fungot
< 1588724526 492969 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a semi-normal assembly like language
< 1588724534 334749 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1588724559 454480 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again what do I know about the state of the art in chat bots...
< 1588724564 314164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very little)
< 1588724572 244486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still think fungot is impressive :P)
< 1588724572 367908 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it requires that the input string
< 1588724587 206692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fungot is not even context-aware.
< 1588724587 385412 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've seen a lot of people who use the api, but that is very odd.
< 1588724589 634799 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it is a chat bot it's doing a remarkable job of imitating a schizophrenic person on irc
< 1588724599 275294 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord e fnord.
< 1588724642 308925 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does seem easier than imitating someone without
< 1588724687 993711 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day I'll probably get to that stage, if I'm not there already.
< 1588724718 784705 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have seemed coherent, at least
< 1588724770 678420 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that chat bot that "passed the turing test" by pretending to be an 8 year old Ukrainian boy with limited command of english
< 1588724787 609734 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lower your standards, everyone's coherent!
< 1588724812 798090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lower your standards, everyone's coherent!
< 1588724846 308865 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1588724866 761870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map length ["imode", "int-e", "pikhq", "eliza"]
< 1588724869 310299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5,5,5,5]
< 1588724875 342901 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahaha.
< 1588724880 928998 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1588724911 248012 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :three disjoint personalities, one chatbot.
< 1588724998 537989 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be a shocking way to find out about being plural or something
< 1588725004 551353 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my wife would be shocked, too
< 1588725011 818826 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1588725145 613526 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana."
> 1588725721 464751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71775&oldid=71772 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+403) 10
> 1588725873 950213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71776&oldid=71775 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+294) 10/* Instructions */
> 1588725886 513371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71777&oldid=71776 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Instructions */
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> 1588728998 207075 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Padlock14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71778&oldid=71674 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+5773) 10Document Padlock
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> 1588729167 469705 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Padlock14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71779&oldid=71778 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+155) 10Categorize the page.
> 1588729285 404166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babalang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71780&oldid=71486 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-1) 10Fix a typo
> 1588729454 856440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Padlock14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71781&oldid=71779 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+204) 10Document alternate ASCII symbols
> 1588729557 866699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Padlock14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71782&oldid=71781 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+10) 10Fix a typo
> 1588729644 223299 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Padlock14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71783&oldid=71782 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+8) 10Fix a typo
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< 1588737578 421909 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the average temperature of my computer seems to be increasing slowly over time? Now it says 34 Celsius; it used to be less. Is that due to dust, or weather, or etc? I also have a temperature with the room temperature; while opening the window cools the room, it doesn't seems to affect the computer so much.
< 1588738182 555708 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambient average temperature is not constant.
< 1588738194 391232 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thermodynamics of your room and home are in constant flux.
< 1588738400 40761 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if there's a thermostat that tries to keep the room's temperature constant, that's a bang-bang controller with pretty slow responsiveness
< 1588738420 890062 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's fine because hardly anyone complains about small deviations in temperature throughout the day)
< 1588738509 776532 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_6e5IaQXM
< 1588738601 595977 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1588738678 985076 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly that, really
< 1588738978 847513 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1588739807 867314 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_BitMap
< 1588739809 98810 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why.
< 1588739848 975522 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just straight up weird.
< 1588739870 261318 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some old-school X apps legitimately _do_ use it to just #include some graphics.
< 1588739886 109747 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy cow. That's weird.
< 1588740383 691624 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world is filled with some now-odd things because the problem constraints now do not even slightly match the problem constraints 30 years ago.
< 1588740393 291460 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed.
< 1588740406 492098 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debugging legacy code is insanely hard.
< 1588740465 163823 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries in professional COBOL experience
< 1588740473 459672 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1588740545 306749 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:88d:347d:f487:48d JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588740743 935137 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1588740906 847716 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally got into esolangs, because some guy at my company had decided to write one.
< 1588740916 220029 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wrote all our code in it. 
< 1588740923 269000 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needless to say, he didn't like the bosses.
< 1588740928 894568 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, that is kinda rough.
< 1588740944 387931 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm.
< 1588740945 552878 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got into it initially because I was a kinda outcast nerd in high school.
< 1588740983 679290 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doing stupid shit with computers was a nice escape from A) high school B) personal life shit
< 1588741004 74319 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. That's what got me into programming.
< 1588741063 696355 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just really took to computers as a young girl; go figure
< 1588741394 181732 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a block of his code:
< 1588741395 622320 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :FkKmd0YUXh
< 1588741414 762580 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a function for adding one to a hex number.
< 1588741435 965089 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :He left no documentation.
< 1588741440 570548 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language.
< 1588741469 364338 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1588741490 52794 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if you recognised it from anywhere.
< 1588741634 536216 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is very odd to me. And like... Not useful at all.
< 1588741652 287802 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew
< 1588741695 444972 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the strings are the same length.
< 1588741702 985484 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a function name or..
< 1588741720 915416 :Antebrationist!ca9a80fc@202-154-128-252.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the actual code.
< 1588741743 292379 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I doubt.
< 1588741762 626563 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "adding one to a hex number".
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< 1588741774 137827 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I'm never getting my answer.
< 1588741832 421411 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna guess that similar to COBOL, "hex numbers" are a distinct data type within this madness.
< 1588741868 675270 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He wrote all our code in it." doesn't seem that believable. I can believe someone using Mouse.
< 1588741881 367204 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Mouse
< 1588741904 250306 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's nothing contextual about that snippet of code. there are no distinct operations.
< 1588741970 541171 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang can look like garbage but there's still some form of interpretation, and if this was used for some actual application, I'd expect it to look like a fragment of K, J or an APL-like.
< 1588741988 114045 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :could understand if it's a method name. hungarian notation exists.
< 1588742179 927980 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a language like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Microscript
< 1588742225 558636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no obvious structure (I think), so it's basically impossible to guess.
< 1588742236 684341 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all our code" implies that this was used for either lots of small scripts or large structures.
< 1588742269 924453 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which I have a hard time believing.
< 1588742283 593911 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat lang tho, wasn't aware of it.
< 1588742295 184643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, this could follow some obscure naming convention like the lapack function names :P
< 1588742394 914124 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1588742395 210554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 060450Z AUTO 10005KT 9999 BKN010 07/05 Q1020
< 1588742397 570741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brr)
< 1588742407 331952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak
< 1588742408 123615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 060453Z 27018KT 10SM FEW008 SCT010 BKN200 16/11 A3018 RMK AO2 PK WND 26026/0400 SLP219 T01560111
< 1588742413 846794 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ksea
< 1588742414 271960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSEA 060453Z 23015G20KT 10SM SCT065 BKN100 15/09 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP181 OCNL LTGIC DSNT E T01500094
< 1588742419 169511 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :z o i n k s 
< 1588742423 827338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16? so cold
< 1588742435 76926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weather has been pretty nice out.
< 1588742435 621145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :warmer than 7
< 1588742442 966498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I never go outside anymore.
< 1588742455 236790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow it'll be 27° apparently.
< 1588742461 81657 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to brave it.
< 1588742475 655338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh.
< 1588742511 619339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I could wait a few hours
< 1588742525 661681 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's thundering right now.
< 1588742541 678329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm basically out of food, and also the hose in my shower broke so I should buy a replacement.
< 1588742546 787826 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1588742579 308428 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm kind of lucky that this didn't happen last month when only grocery stores were open.)
< 1588742760 299536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, you'd be hosed.
< 1588742893 221821 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uokwdxpbfutetegr PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KMSO
< 1588742893 477192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMSO 060453Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 11/00 A3010 RMK AO2 SLP195 T01110000
< 1588742917 101352 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uokwdxpbfutetegr PRIVMSG #esoteric :severe VFR
< 1588743836 213935 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written programs to read and write X bitmap format, as well as X pixmap format (xpm format 2 is not supported by any other program I have tried, but format 1 and 3 are more commonly supported)
< 1588743836 569271 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1588743861 538838 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588744289 672400 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program optionally allows the words "static" and/or "unsigned" at the beginning (although "const" currently isn't supported), and numbers can be written in octal, decimal, or hexadecimal.
< 1588744386 229810 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments are also allowed.
< 1588745291 447918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the default octal, decimal, or hexadecimal?
< 1588745306 540398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess hexadecimal would be the most sensible default because it has the most digits.
< 1588745372 989853 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is hexadecimal default
< 1588745502 587453 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program I wrote for writing X bitmap format is hexadecimal only, and some programs I have tried assume the numbers are hexadecimal even if it isn't.
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< 1588745982 176544 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, more info on his code.
< 1588746057 598160 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :As requested. Hex numbers are a distinct data type, which he implemented as a String. Apparently, he made a program to compile stuff into it, so at least 8 lines of that was just method.
< 1588746075 578055 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used for lots of small scripts.
< 1588746086 729607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1588746090 404771 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:firefly//FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. It's also a room whose gimmick is that it gets darker as you kill the enemies. \ sex//Sex is a board game which originated in Britain in the 1870s before spreading throughout Europe in the 1890s. Sex was introduced to the rest of the world by a book, "The Complete Guide to Sex", written
< 1588746099 951181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1588746100 850902 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3: and published in 1932, based on the author's extensive experience with a wide variety of forms of European sex. \ bfjoust//bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric. \ tetris//Tetris is where Soviet Russia was invented. Taneb was not present although Triangle and Robert were. \ hppavilion//hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k
< 1588746107 229406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n
< 1588746108 140240 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk. A common alternative definition is the set of all items yielded by the general case of the generator. Not to be confused with hppavilion^k or hppavilion_m.
< 1588746110 406525 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding 1 to a hex number: just incrementing it by 1.
< 1588746123 854924 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, is HackEso a markov chain bot?
< 1588746139 309166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can say?
< 1588746199 324647 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso is a bot to run arbitrary programs. If there is a Markov program in there, then it will do that too, but that isn't what `5 w and `n do.
< 1588746215 882232 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. So what do they do?
< 1588746222 341795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n could print the output of a Markov chain program.
< 1588746322 842805 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that isn't what it does; it just displays the contents of another file which the other program may add the output to.
< 1588746331 528327 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588746509 593839 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe that he may have written some code using the programming language you mentioned, although I would not know much about it so do not know much without the context.
< 1588746520 735514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's the shower fixed
< 1588746529 159677 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not everything was in it.
< 1588746535 179799 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just small methods and whatnot.
< 1588746553 646581 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is what I would probably expect; not everything.
< 1588746603 665456 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was one of those people who splits everything into subroutines. Except that he would then write those subroutines in this abomination.
< 1588746671 536294 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said earlier, he auto-generated function and method names, which makes a lot more sense.
< 1588746781 288618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1588746829 868004 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1588746869 829229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man.
< 1588746881 713754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a simple and neato algorithm thing I don't know about?
< 1588746893 365871 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1588746906 705201 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The doomsday algorithm by John Conway?
< 1588747043 687215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it but I don't care about the Gregorian calendar very much.
< 1588747088 285950 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you don't care about the Gregorian calendar very much?
< 1588747096 872350 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which system do you think is better?
< 1588747114 87277 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the Shire calendar from LOTR is pretty good.
< 1588747146 971774 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the solar hijri calendar.
< 1588747176 176187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only relevant for one planet out of trillions.
< 1588747179 218030 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1588747227 437738 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although in a different planet I should think you would need a different calendar would be better.
< 1588748464 886894 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588748825 827632 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you explain in more detail how HackEso works?
< 1588748987 729139 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just runs programs; you can use ` followed by the name of a program in order to execute that program. The programs can be shell scripts or scripts in other programming languages, or compiled programs in C or whatever.
< 1588749021 715522 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a list of available programs?
< 1588749099 908533 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also run any UNIX commands, by prefixing `` or ``` followed by a space and then the command (which can also be any of the programs that are installed).
< 1588749113 890773 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a Mercurial repository that you can see all of the files with.
< 1588749121 687610 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can know what is available.
< 1588749131 903527 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think there is a article in esolang wiki about it.
< 1588749145 887474 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, something like ` ls would list all of the files?
< 1588749191 23887 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls
< 1588749192 392246 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
< 1588749355 136722 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does <SPAN CLASS="m2"> appear a different colour in Lynx?
< 1588749798 495740 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1588750223 188230 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gsdysnzrdaebdtgn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588751219 861767 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:41ae:b290:45bb:8746 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588751755 906826 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588751991 890305 :Antebrationist54!ca9a8451@202-154-132-81.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588752104 894148 :Antebrationist!ca9a82b8@202-154-130-184.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1588752191 779187 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:24b3:44e8:40b6:d410 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588752251 535095 :Antebrationist54!ca9a8451@202-154-132-81.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1588752258 754231 :Antebrationist54!ca9a8451@202-154-132-81.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PART :#esoteric
< 1588752276 316319 :Antebrationist54!ca9a8451@202-154-132-81.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588752647 371426 :Antebrationist54!ca9a8451@202-154-132-81.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1588752698 80430 :Antebrationist54!ca9a8451@202-154-132-81.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1588752921 724875 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric :"BARYONIC CHICKEN"
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< 1588753923 716971 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1588757990 250351 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gsdysnzrdaebdtgn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
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< 1588762382 371910 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:24b3:44e8:40b6:d410 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1588764958 952992 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588765099 911246 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1588765116 862793 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588765128 57439 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1588765563 869541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Padlock14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71784&oldid=71783 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Computational Class */ link
> 1588765764 838862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computational class14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71785&oldid=64156 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10/* Turing-completeness */ bsm
> 1588765846 695515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DINAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71786&oldid=70554 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* Subpages */
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< 1588768124 886170 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588768148 32574 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls
< 1588768149 703638 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
< 1588768175 5412 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat banana.txt
< 1588768180 475221 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat banana.txt
< 1588768181 324270 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananas taste good and have potassium, but they bruise kinda easily. I still like to eat them though :)
< 1588768190 12832 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat program
< 1588768192 629951 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat program
< 1588768193 444436 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF............>.....H......@.......h..........@.8..@.. \ .......@.......@...............P.......P....................�............................................................................(......(........ ...................... .............(......(........ ...........�.......�. .............p.......p...............Q�td.................................................../lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.1000............
< 1588768201 458009 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat test.sh
< 1588768207 702356 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar -xzf v1.1.1.tar.gz \ cd asmbf-1.1.1 \ make all install
< 1588768224 533490 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat output.b
< 1588768226 79695 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>[-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
< 1588768249 207219 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` bf output.b
< 1588768250 432693 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.
< 1588768255 383165 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` brainf output.b
< 1588768256 345953 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: brainf: command not found
< 1588768264 140349 :psdw!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1588770576 890509 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning all
< 1588770601 820741 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588771158 887423 :esomaker!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
> 1588771656 998049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71787&oldid=71764 5* 03Emerald 5* (+17) 10
> 1588771708 22247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71788&oldid=71787 5* 03Emerald 5* (+12) 10
> 1588771762 459734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71789&oldid=71788 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-13) 10
< 1588772531 891398 :opticnerve!~opticnerv@host4-129-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric
> 1588772929 34303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71790&oldid=71770 5* 03Orby 5* (-1) 10Correcting wording
> 1588772969 120761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71791&oldid=71686 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+104) 10
> 1588773167 476513 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71792&oldid=71777 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+429) 10
> 1588773472 829066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71793&oldid=71790 5* 03Orby 5* (+121) 10Expanding on definition of isomorphism
< 1588773478 862872 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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> 1588774034 844497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71794&oldid=71793 5* 03Orby 5* (+218) 10
< 1588774068 79090 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey rain1, how are you?
> 1588774168 865196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71795&oldid=71792 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+209) 10/* Instructions */
> 1588774396 1761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71796&oldid=71795 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+425) 10/* Instructions */
< 1588774457 908657 :user24!~user24@77.64.145.24 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1588774521 210929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71797&oldid=71183 5* 03Orby 5* (+274) 10
< 1588774587 713019 :user24!~user24@77.64.145.24 QUIT :Client Quit
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> 1588775052 793380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MC14500B14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71798&oldid=71721 5* 03D 5* (+2) 10
< 1588775102 751557 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1588775220 998966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71799&oldid=71796 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2928) 10/* Examples */
> 1588775243 109092 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71800&oldid=71789 5* 03Emerald 5* (+706) 10Gave an idea of what this will be
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> 1588775294 635132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71801&oldid=71800 5* 03Emerald 5* (+17) 10Added correct year
> 1588775310 85664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71802&oldid=71794 5* 03Orby 5* (+280) 10
> 1588775595 852296 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71803&oldid=71799 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+810) 10/* Computational class */
> 1588775638 685923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/200114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71804&oldid=71803 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-6392) 10Blanked the page
> 1588775652 22263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71805&oldid=71802 5* 03Orby 5* (-85) 10Adding abbreviations for brevity
> 1588775658 60981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072001: An Esolang Odyssey14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71806 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6432) 10Created page with "'''2001: An Esolang Odyssey''' is a programming language designed to be executed by HAL 9000 computers. It was developed by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Syntax== When H..."
> 1588775712 325720 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71807&oldid=71690 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10/* Non-alphabetic */
> 1588775784 491075 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71808&oldid=71791 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+112) 10/* Languages */
> 1588776054 272526 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71809&oldid=71805 5* 03Orby 5* (-9) 10
> 1588776247 212441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71810&oldid=71809 5* 03Orby 5* (-1) 10/* Trivial simple translation */
> 1588776400 35652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71811&oldid=71762 5* 03Emerald 5* (+65) 10Made a Language list
> 1588776424 377754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71812&oldid=71810 5* 03Orby 5* (-33) 10little typos everywhere
< 1588776462 383151 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.
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> 1588776845 761203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71813&oldid=71801 5* 03Emerald 5* (+73) 10added command
> 1588776907 408035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71814&oldid=71813 5* 03Emerald 5* (+15) 10Fixed oopise
> 1588776953 812038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71815&oldid=71814 5* 03Emerald 5* (+2) 10Fixed fix that didnt work
> 1588777311 638422 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71816&oldid=71815 5* 03Emerald 5* (+151) 10
> 1588777400 51213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71817&oldid=71812 5* 03Orby 5* (+163) 10
> 1588777856 259909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71818&oldid=71817 5* 03Orby 5* (+49) 10
> 1588777934 445368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71819&oldid=71818 5* 03Orby 5* (-9) 10
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< 1588779861 901601 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the point of abstracting away if it gets us *closer*?
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< 1588783190 881870 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue would be more usable if you had grouped replacements. allows you to manipulate multiple areas of the string relative to other parts of the string without having to send signals between those parts.
< 1588783341 709203 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for things like string comparisons.
< 1588783918 176244 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: try sed for that, or Endo's DNA
< 1588783943 400873 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endo's DNA?
< 1588784042 714779 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of a mainstream language based on rewriting is interesting: extensions to that language are phrased no differently than any other replacement rule, just that you don't see the actual rule in your rule set. thue with arithmetic on certain formatted strings, for example.
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< 1588786095 664520 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any number systems that distinguish between 1/1 and 2/2? I want to see a number system that has 1/0 and 2/0 and -1/0 all being distinct infinities, and it seems like distinguishing different "1"s would help
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< 1588789590 464863 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the correct way to compute standard deviation?  select sqrt((count()*total(convmanacost*convmanacost)-total(convmanacost)*total(convmanacost))/(count()*(count()-1))) from cards;
< 1588789662 815048 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. SD = square root of the sum of the squared deviation from the average?
< 1588789667 367773 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that.
< 1588789674 420848 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is my friend.
< 1588789736 449747 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed one extra average but about right.
< 1588789749 623696 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation
< 1588789797 621384 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/067067e579e43b39ca1e57d9be52bda5b80cd284
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< 1588790122 643448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
< 1588790218 101687 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used this equation:  https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/png/dec4d2e3d9feeca2f177c47edf06f732d2266c2d
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< 1588791282 773595 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, it's the square root of the _average_ of the squares of the deviation of the average.
< 1588791322 505401 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know your formula. Might be right, might be wrong. No idea what the numbers mean.
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< 1588791438 35341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that should work if you have only a thousands of cards and the CMCs are small, but in general it's not a good way to compute standard deviation, because it's not numerically stable
< 1588791500 144039 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a better formula, but it's hard to implement in plain SQL, because you need to reduce with a state of three variables (the count, the average, and the sigma of the numbers you have so far),
< 1588791522 475462 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you wanted to do that in SQL you'd probably write a custom aggregate function or do the computation outside of SQL in some other way
< 1588791524 357659 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, OK.
< 1588791551 487808 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the forumla is, I don't remember where I saw it
< 1588791564 326044 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe en.wikipedia has it
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< 1588791669 773372 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithms_for_calculating_variance 
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< 1588791818 813103 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but since you are using double-precision floating point numbers, you can just compute total(convmanacost*convmanacost) and total(convmanacost)*total(convmanacost) exactly if you have a realistic number of Magic cards and converted mana costs, so there's no numeric stability problems
< 1588791826 99100 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :converted mana costs are just small integers
< 1588791977 433201 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is intended to be a single card set, so I do not expect a problem. You may also want to add a GROUP BY clause anyways when calculating statistics, so that there are less cards per group.
< 1588792306 40585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard also can use PostScript codes, although you cannot call PostScript codes from SQL codes (although the other way around is possible), and PostScript numbers are only single precision anyways, so the calculation is probably work better in SQL. (I could also add new functions into the C code if needed, I suppose; I did add the SQRT function using a C code.)
< 1588793031 262570 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making a HTML exporter template now
< 1588793140 256113 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, I will be able to make this program better than the other one. Actually I think it is already better in many ways, but it is incomplete.
< 1588793295 355601 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, if you have questions about the software that I can write in the frequently asked questions section, please.
< 1588793366 943206 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1588794547 758776 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
> 1588794679 77204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076969 Assembler14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71886&oldid=71883 5* 03CMinusMinus 5* (+390) 10
> 1588795160 560325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076969 Assembler14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71887&oldid=71886 5* 03CMinusMinus 5* (+810) 10
< 1588795991 824459 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588796960 729453 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1588797455 961989 :Guest46535!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1588797912 839682 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1588798243 316977 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this HTML export template is good?  http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/dir?ci=eebc94f719cbe25d&name=templates/magic-html  This is a example of a output from that template:  http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/zivstr/  Also do you have comments about the specific cards (and notes/rules) in that output?
< 1588798602 515538 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can you help with CSS for it (to add mana symbols and stuff)?
< 1588798810 686935 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588800088 884225 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588800106 909940 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1588800106 947337 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@slow.wreckage.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588800169 193367 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1588801472 725211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072001: An Esolang Odyssey14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71888&oldid=71806 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10/* Hello World! */ fix
< 1588801870 905092 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1588802217 144931 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1588802233 687252 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:41ae:b290:45bb:8746 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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> 1588803308 729623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71889&oldid=71827 5* 03Emerald 5* (+334) 10Added inspiration and a better use for digging
> 1588803389 928574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71890&oldid=71889 5* 03Emerald 5* (-6) 10
< 1588803678 783812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1588804493 331642 :marbleguy!marbleguy@95.234.100.148 PART :#esoteric
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< 1588804976 347453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 140
< 1588804977 671673 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :140.00°F = 60.00°C
< 1588806220 986917 :nchambers!uplime@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1588806565 988067 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you make a comment?
< 1588806802 932003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :// no.
< 1588806870 465620 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1588806889 225909 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will someone else to do, then?
< 1588806997 889169 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588808398 887565 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588808443 68403 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone explain https://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP
< 1588808465 786663 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a joke.
< 1588808482 566593 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Could we test it here?
< 1588808505 39057 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.
< 1588808540 669299 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say "Hello, World!"
< 1588808601 628839 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, and thank you for using IRP. We appreciate your desire to use our computing services. In order to complete your request, you need to upgrade to the "Basic I/O" plan, for only $50 a month. Please input your payment details now, starting with your debit card number, followed by your billing address, zip code, and name.
< 1588808613 21516 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw shoot man, looks like you need a license.
< 1588808619 875312 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Just wow.
< 1588808659 829351 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know right. they're gouging people these days.
< 1588808703 30400 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, let's try something without I/O.
< 1588808721 123570 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write this exact line to this channel, and every other channel that you are currently connected to.
< 1588808729 450813 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second.
< 1588808733 811167 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a DDOS worm.
< 1588808738 726680 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, and thank you for using IRP. We appreciate your desire to use our computing services. In order to complete your request, you need to upgrade to the "Basic I/O" plan, for only $50 a month. Please input your payment details now, starting with your debit card number, followed by your billing address, zip code, and name.
< 1588808748 701228 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also involves I/O.
< 1588808755 589958 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, output.
< 1588808770 711726 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmmmm...
< 1588808779 812002 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this service is also rate limited.
< 1588808786 137124 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say my name '' OR DROP TABLE USERS
< 1588808809 11408 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, and thank you for using IRP. We appreciate your desire to use our computing services. In order to complete your request, you need to upgrade to the "Basic I/O" plan, for only $50 a month. Please input your payment details now, starting with your debit card number, followed by your billing address, zip code, and name.          ok
< 1588808818 321519 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you.
< 1588808828 379084 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean my name'); DROP TABLE USERS; --
< 1588808860 835637 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1588808951 884309 :sleepnap!~thomas@c-68-34-111-127.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588809662 530068 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone please write the reverse of this message?
< 1588809709 680453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: ask HackEso or j-bot, they do such services
< 1588809721 193814 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke.
< 1588809724 581998 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP
< 1588809859 983809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make up a new card game based on the esoteric computer programming and the other stuff?
< 1588809914 922251 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1588809939 511450 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like "make a turing complete card game" or "make a card game where all the cards are esolangs" or both?
< 1588809951 52042 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: Snoitcurtsni raelcnu, desrever niarb mets.
< 1588809973 357139 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pleh, I'm deppart ni na CRI yrotcaf!
< 1588810044 629589 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no.
< 1588810577 833640 :kevinalh!~kevinalh@179.6.193.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588810889 570455 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode, have you been reading XKCD?
< 1588811030 932050 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:413b:b1c3:e6ad:1ef9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1588811035 640460 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh.
< 1588811222 370455 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a parody of the XKCD 327 hovertext.
< 1588811317 836577 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:413b:b1c3:e6ad:1ef9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1588811339 950944 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what I mean. I just mean that if you can try, then you can try to use TeXnicard so that we will have more testing with it, at least.
< 1588811452 720185 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: which is of course just a worse repeat of https://xkcd.com/10/
< 1588811522 749255 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, I am working on TeXnicard, and if we can make up any cards with it (whether new card games or existing ones), then the testing can be done and the features can be improved, etc.
< 1588811536 341630 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play mahjong?
< 1588811589 251276 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play dark mahjong, or Washizu mahjong, or any of those other variants?
< 1588811612 680755 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. How does Texnicard work?
< 1588811649 286365 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard is a program I wrote for managing and printing custom cards for card games such as Magic: the Gathering, or your own card games too.
< 1588811661 966333 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588811667 548512 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Fossil repository at:  http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui
< 1588811695 981576 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have any questions, then please tell me so that I can write in the frequently ask questions section.
> 1588811764 449095 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072001: An Esolang Odyssey14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71891&oldid=71888 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+178) 10/* Memory model */
< 1588811825 919709 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The software is not complete yet, but hopefully other people who are interested in it can help, too. Also, there is enough to do many things with it so far, anyways, and I documented all of its functions as much as I thought to do so; hopefully there isn't something missing in the documentation.
< 1588811838 888072 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is the documentation?
> 1588811970 593999 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71892&oldid=71890 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10
< 1588812079 79021 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Select "files"; all of the file names with ".doc" on the end are documentation.
< 1588812084 99142 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588812169 48299 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also look at the templates if you want to see examples of how it is working. Both of those templates are ones I am using.
< 1588812214 436519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example output from the "magic-html" template is at http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/zivstr/ and there also links to the card database file that was exported in this way.
< 1588812337 275821 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you have Fossil on your computer, then you can clone the repository too, in case you want a local copy of the repository. This includes the wiki and tickets too.)
< 1588812557 291046 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if something is unclear or confusing or incomplete, in order that I can correct it.
< 1588812589 822260 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588812703 305121 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know SQL and/or PostScript programming?
< 1588812728 152042 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a little SQL.
< 1588812868 591537 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps to know SQL and PostScript programming to program templates for TeXnicard.
< 1588812887 565961 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1588812889 266786 :Antebrationist!ca9a82f5@202-154-130-245.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1588813509 492126 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1588813873 890328 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a token-oriented thue would be a neat idea. with numbers and strings as symbols, arithmetic, logical and comparison operators...
< 1588813893 658626 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is my idea too.
< 1588813983 435324 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :control flow would be interesting. given a formatted list of tokens representing a list of numbers, how would you sum an array.
< 1588814058 351915 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd extract a number from the array, but you'd need a placeholder for that particular number... maybe the rule system could just detect a special token and say "this stands for any number" or something.
< 1588814093 668027 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I thought.
< 1588814219 959916 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :: sum [ <number> : sum <number> [ ; ... : sum <number> [ <number> : <number> <number> + sum [ ; ... : sum [ <number> ] : <number> ; ... : sum [ ] : ;
< 1588814271 967653 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is : <pattern> : <replacement> ;
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< 1588814577 318556 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:413b:b1c3:e6ad:1ef9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1588815189 235715 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/sir-leopold/
< 1588815190 691824 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/sir-leopold/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale kmc
< 1588815352 732675 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1588815402 901633 :zseri2!~zseri@ip4d158302.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: zseri2
< 1588815503 193781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on
< 1588815534 807854 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 kitty
< 1588815566 451296 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rum Tum Tugger
< 1588815571 980979 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat
< 1588815573 836180 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
< 1588815612 792521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slbd pbflist//$d
< 1588815618 668275 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist//echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ Sgeo \ quintopia \ ion \ b_jonas \ Cale
< 1588815649 740903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, didn't mean to ping everyone
< 1588815671 806694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, you pinged only the same people that I already pinged
< 1588815747 628457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
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< 1588815765 882764 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :byechaf?
< 1588815788 64362 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
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< 1588827248 385675 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that apparently BitBitJump was actually invented during the seventies.
< 1588827332 46451 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating, do you have a source?
< 1588827383 430494 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esoteric.codes/blog/don-woods (unfortunately it doesn't seem to have any anchors)
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< 1588827903 934531 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should this be mentioned in esolang wiki?
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< 1588849497 457833 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiya
< 1588849633 690285 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1588849728 91644 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm loitering to discuss simple-translation ideas with Orby, and whomever else is interested
< 1588849966 888491 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool!
< 1588850016 530800 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am interested in it too
< 1588850041 856467 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote a character-by-character zip file to python translator that reconstructs the zipped python source file functionality from the resulting generated (different) python code to test an idea about encoding. It makes me laugh, but I think there's an interesting point in there somewhere.  
< 1588850068 51042 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand
< 1588850074 639435 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zip -> python
< 1588850108 542436 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it on any zip or specific ips?
< 1588850111 19920 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zips*
< 1588850162 168127 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please explain it more
< 1588850172 762997 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I zip some python source code, and claim that is some kind of encoded source, then perform a simple-translation on the zip-file, symbol by symbol, into python, which will produce the equivalent result of the file I zipped
< 1588850186 222783 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1588850278 843481 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Salpynx/Simple_translation_conjecture#Examples_using_a_high_level_language
< 1588850280 209713 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually quite trivial, but I think it illustrates a point I was exploring that arbitrarily re-encoding language still enables it to be simple-translate to another (or itself)
< 1588850309 173849 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get what you are saying but doesn't this include a prefix string as well as translating each character
< 1588850325 709586 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that we need to differentiate between simple translation that does and doesn't include prefix,suffix strings
< 1588850330 189628 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those can contain interpreters
< 1588850335 606079 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think?
< 1588850386 792108 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a suffix string. and the construction I was trying to justify, which should be able to work in an absolute worst case scenario, relies on just that suffix
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< 1588850418 311100 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an interpreter (in my python example using the builtin `exec()`)
< 1588850584 241183 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to form an argument that the empty-string is part of every alphabet set, so should be a valid symbol to translate. I get that it sounds like cheating, but I think it is reasonable to make a formal statement about alphabets being sets which contain the empty-string. I believe that is standard in set theory
< 1588850591 425712 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the distinction isn't so important though, because it may be possible t ohack around it using techniques similar to polyglot programs
< 1588850610 63573 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every symbol could map to   PREFIX[symbol]POSTFIX
< 1588850631 88825 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where PREFIX is something like "interpret the following string" and POSTFIXPREFIX is basically a comment 
< 1588850641 16798 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think a similar trick can be done in Python without the suffix trick, but not in one line like I did :)
< 1588850859 798907 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm trying to re-brand "just adding a  suffix" as not a special cheating case, but as a valid symbol substitution for the empty-string or (End-Of-File) symbol that is part of every formal alphabet set. I need to see if anyone buys that spin
< 1588850897 537937 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's important, I think we need a name for each version
< 1588851195 814896 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on getting my ideas straight, that page on the wiki was my attempt at getting the core of them out there. Now I've done that I can finish reading Orby's modifications to the simple-translation page 
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< 1588851265 837658 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find a good source for the standard definition of a 'concatenative' programming language. Is Python considered 'concatenative'?
< 1588851458 163602 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a dumb question, I know it's not. I'm really trying to figure out a term for something like Python which can be split into smaller sub-units that can stand alone as complete programs in their own right. I want to term that concatenative.
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< 1588886292 394378 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: we meet at last!
< 1588886366 826299 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! I just saw we missed each other by 10mins earlier :)
< 1588886378 302013 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, yeah it was unfortunate
< 1588886396 495507 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so what do you think of the definition of simple translation as I have currently worded it?
< 1588886426 385474 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't explicitly tie the semantics of A and B, but there is an implied semantic interpretation of B according to the translation table
< 1588886449 55719 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a better definition for the purposes of minimization
< 1588886533 269648 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems good to me, it's the way I have been thinking about the problem. 
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< 1588886602 264637 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. I think it captures the essence of the idea without needing to worry about isomorphisms between machine models and other silly problems
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< 1588886632 452751 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it also reduces some aspects of the problem to a string game
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< 1588886637 340412 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a moment of doubt when I thought there was some extra requirements on how the two translation tables had to be related to each other, but I think now the requirement is only that the tables need to exist independently?
< 1588886656 520108 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "need to exist independently"
< 1588886692 354320 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that one way simple-translations can exist, i.e. one table can't be formed.
< 1588886719 449555 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely, but "one way" simple translations also include things like trivial encodings
< 1588886727 35975 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1588886730 504887 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. encoding brainfuck in binary and calling it a two command language
< 1588886745 577079 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is 000, - is 001, etc.
< 1588886780 420610 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e Fractran -> RBF should be possible because of TC, but RBF -> Fractran  is not possible as a simple-translation because Fractran is not divisible into programmatic sub-units
< 1588886821 201367 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there is some sort of equivalence that is required by simple translation that is more specific than computational class
< 1588886835 923203 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Deadfish -> BF is a possible simple-translation, because BF is more powerful than Deadfish, but BF -> Deadfish is not possible since Deadfish lis sub-TC
< 1588886880 546796 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "one way" simple translations are very interesting because I don't think they actually preserve anything useful
< 1588886922 668724 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should say "one table simple translations"
< 1588886938 924622 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :because under the current definition A can be a ST of B, but B not an ST of A
< 1588886943 41477 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think the strict requirement that a simple translation has to be bi-directional is too much, but it is certainly an interesting case. Examining why translations can't be bi-directional is also interesting
< 1588886975 128657 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh scroll. Did you define "simple"?
< 1588887002 742415 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really :)
< 1588887011 998696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect "effective" = "computable" there.
< 1588887040 171328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps a restriction of that.
< 1588887042 961059 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if we don't have the strict requirement then PF -> RBF is just + = 000, > = 001, < = 010, ( = 011, ) = 100
< 1588887070 159434 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to define 0 and 1 in terms of rbf at all
< 1588887181 975663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fix any at most TC formalism and let the translation use that formalism. It could be as simple as a finite state transducer.)
< 1588887187 409005 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I see your point, if a 2 way translation is possible, a one way translation is not very interesting or useful.  
< 1588887219 977077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually the 1-way translations are easier to come up with.
< 1588887250 891367 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typically you have translations A -> B and B -> A that do not compose to the identity.
< 1588887268 841899 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the 1-way translations are very easy to come up with but I fear that they don't carry much meaning
< 1588887284 674231 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, not identity, but "eta-equivalent" in some sense
< 1588887294 781983 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :to borrow that term
< 1588887325 767733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, observationally equivalent in some sense?
< 1588887334 105674 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs do the same thing
< 1588887339 836494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eta-reduction is something very specific in my mind)
< 1588887351 177759 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I remembering the definition of eta equivalent correctly?
< 1588887373 321518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x. M x  -->  A  when x is not free in M
< 1588887384 381669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(too lazy to find the lambda, so \ is a lambda)
< 1588887396 742570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooph
< 1588887402 7546 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that A is an M.
< 1588887446 697916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I changed my mind about using A or M half-way through typing this... I should know better.)
< 1588887456 333638 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on though, if your one way PF -> RBF translation is  + = 000, > = 001, < = 010, ( = 011, ) = 100 , that's perfectly valid. Due to the nature of PF and RBF, I claim that a translation the other way is definitely possible,
< 1588887456 951430 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what I mean is that if you convert A -> B using table (1) then B -> A using table (2) then the final program should be equivalent to the original program in terms of what it actually does
< 1588887486 65688 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can find it, I'd love to see it :)
< 1588887487 572610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: usually when you have bijective translations it means the two languages are almost the same.
< 1588887490 419865 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have just made the RBF -> PF translation harder to come up with, by transferring the complexity to that direction
< 1588887533 418491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the while meaningful (in that you explain how exactly the languages correspond to each other), the translation will probably also be very boring.
< 1588887546 103108 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: maybe? I don't know
< 1588887576 268751 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: See the nanofuck and reversible bitfuck translations, the translation is actually very interesting
< 1588887578 448629 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm sure you can construct pairs of languages that contradict these ideas... emphasis on "construct".
< 1588887696 647994 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the whole motivation behind this "simple translation" idea, is to effectively define exactly what a minimization is. The source and destination languages are definitely almost the same
< 1588887759 471205 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :But without requiring both tables, it is trivial to come up with two command minimizations of any language which is not very interesting
< 1588887834 933308 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting because I am coming at this from a different angle, not related to minimisation, I was trying to find a way to translate code from one language to another using simply Godel numerings, so performing valid code translation without needing to pay any attention to semantics
< 1588887898 827917 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think there are bigger applications here than just minimization
< 1588887899 146664 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simple translation tables are a way to handle the semantic equivalence robustly to them perform a 'simple' operation to convert between two langauges
< 1588887988 746552 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fact that you are approaching this from a different angle is very good. I think you're seeing things I'm not.
< 1588888051 416777 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea of a 1 way simple translation is valid, but it's not a creative choice thing, either a 2-way translation exists between a language pair, or a simple translation is only possible in one direction. If a 2-way translation is possible, and one direction is trivial, the other will potentially be complex.
< 1588888099 264941 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial bf substitutions are trivial, but that's just how they are, the model captures the reality
< 1588888148 57942 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed. Did you see what I wrote on what ais523 called "generalized simple translations" on the page?
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< 1588888188 472809 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Salpynx/Simple_translation_conjecture method section
< 1588888352 274599 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I caught some of ais523's thought from the IRC logs, but I haven't checked back over all of them. I need to do that
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< 1588888393 248486 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he (she? they?) had some excellent insights
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< 1588888484 603998 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea of the empty-string symbol started life as an EOF character, but I thought that was a bit to ASCII based, and assuming the existence of 'files' was not very general either. I thought the empty-string symbol was more general and had an established meaning when dealign with alphabets and symbols in a mathematical sense
< 1588888546 170980 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think the empty-string symbol specifically needs to be a NOP and it doesn't really make sense to translate it into something with any semantic value
< 1588888558 630780 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in theory you can insert it anywhere
< 1588888605 169480 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the idea of α and ω as start and end markers is too out there
< 1588888639 497471 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :because interpreters already implicitly deal with these concepts
< 1588888654 234348 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to handle languages like unary and Lenguage and similar joke-like encoding langauges where I think the empty-string as end of source code has to be meaningful in any iterprerter. SIlly and extreme examples, but they are interesting for encoding in  some sense
< 1588888762 83198 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we treat the code string as an algebraic structure, then the empty-string has a very specific meaning that is not equivalent to eof I think
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< 1588888810 645519 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the LHS though I don't think you can read an empty-string between symbols, since there will be infinitely many of them between any two symbols, so reading will never terminate. I though to model it the interpreter is asking "Give me the next symbol", and the answer is a symbol from an alphabet set, and formally ε has to be a valid response to
< 1588888811 144287 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that qn
< 1588888902 669254 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. What does the interpreter do if it encounters that symbol mid stream, 2. How does that differ from EOF? The empty string is typically the identity, which can be inserted anywhere in theory
< 1588889013 807403 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a monoid perspective, εa = aε = a
< 1588889021 433177 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my argument goes that because for something like Unary, ε (or EOF / EOF like) is _required_ semantically, for RBF and Python it should at least be permissible as a symbol, because we are trying to generalise source encoding
< 1588889072 140535 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that EOF is an explicit concept here that is worth modeling, I just don't think it's the identity / empty string
< 1588889086 752423 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a distinct symbol in the language
< 1588889113 361066 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I proposed using ω
< 1588889130 553058 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I posed the question / response "What is the next symbol?" In an encoded source we read from, the empty string will _never_ be encountered mid stream... I feel like there is a way to formalise this better, but I'm not sure how
< 1588889224 73106 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you're saying, but I don't think "empty-string" is necessarily the answer to "What is the next symbol?" at EOF
< 1588889248 659113 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks the monoid structure
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< 1588889294 896291 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ε can appear on the RHS as a monoid identity as you say,  εa = aε = a , but on the LHS it looks like it's treated differently.. but it's still consistent. I think I need someone who knows more about monoids than me to back me up, or explain why that's fundamentally wrong :)
< 1588889330 117106 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, I am not an expert on monoids either. What's your take int-e? You're a math guy.
< 1588889404 239421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mathematically there's no depate at all here... a = aε is just as valid as aε = a. (equality is symmetric, among other things)
< 1588889458 425236 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it makes sense to say that EOF is equivalent to ε?
< 1588889460 860929 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ε as an end-of-string marker -- can that definintion coexist with εa = aε = a ?
< 1588889483 935554 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, when using equations for *rewriting* (e.g. to simplify expressions), you'll *orient* equations. This is typically indicated by an arrow. And then you want aε -> a, because a -> aε doesn't terminate.
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< 1588889504 397899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no, that's not an end-of-string marker.
< 1588889518 465995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ε is just the unit of a monoid here.
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< 1588889549 361563 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make sense at all to introduce specific symbols that denote the begining and end of a string from a monoid perspective?
< 1588889563 468272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are in a context where ε is an end-of-string marker, those equations make no sense. But people tend to use a different symbol then... for example, $.
< 1588889629 565276 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had proposed using α and ω as symbols to denote the beginning and end of programs
< 1588889722 865394 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some sense it seems like an EOF makes a lot of sense. Interpreters implicitly deal with this concept.
< 1588889735 862632 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :either as null terminators or whatever
< 1588889757 580600 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :εaε + εbε = εabε   which sort of has implied ε as end of string markers. You only encounter it explicitly if you are reading LTR and reach end of string? 
< 1588889814 546947 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :but εaε + εbε = εabε = aεb too 
< 1588889853 156284 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεb for that matter
< 1588889914 523681 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you are not taking offense to my objections, I just want us both to get to the heart of the matter
< 1588889938 291341 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you always add and subtract ε from anywhere, so even if you don't write a final ε, I can just claim it is still there, and the end of your string?
< 1588889974 656843 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.
< 1588889994 220386 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I don't think that it carries any meaning in that case. If ab = aεb then does the interpreter stop after a? if not, why does it stop when encountering ε in abε?
< 1588890029 675964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ab = aεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεb in a monoid. Why is that a problem? Nobody in their right mind would actually write the latter for the former.
< 1588890059 391650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I lack context... I don't have the patience to read through everything you wrote above.
< 1588890062 640215 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no offense, I'm not 100% sure of my formulation, I think the EOF / empty-string question would be good to sort out. I thought ε was a neater and equivalent way of combining and generalising the meanings, but maybe they are distinct. I would like to understand (and learn) too
< 1588890113 693200 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, glad about no offense, I can tell we're both excited. int-e I think the heart of the question is: does it make sense to use ε as eof, and if not, why not
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< 1588890656 2338 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (trying to summarise the important context) We are wanting to deal with 'program source code', made up of symbols from an alphabet (a set, a monoid?), there's possibly two things we're doing with them 1) coming up with "translations" from one alphabet to another, and 2) formulating abstract machines to interpret them symbol-by-symbol 
< 1588890743 937153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite-state_transducer may be relevant (as a very simple model of computation that in particular encompasses simple substitutions of strings by other strings)
< 1588890748 262271 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it reasonable to have ε appear on the LHS of a translation to represent the end-of-string to the source translating to some non-empty string of symbols
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< 1588890902 593006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd only use ε to represent the empty string (unit of the monoid). That's how the formal language people generally do it... and the rewriting people... and the presentation theory people (who usually call it 1)...
< 1588890956 738937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you can expand the empty string, ε -> ab, then it makes sense on a left-hand side of a rewrite rule. Otherwise it doesn't.
< 1588890959 695490 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm wondering if I'm trying to shoe-horn something that makes sense for the 2) usage above into 1), which may not be appropriate. Also, we're talking about a specific "translation" concept that may be subtly different from the traditional "substitution" use in re-writing, (but maybe not...) 
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< 1588891047 447053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That rule would allow you to rewrite cd = cεd to cabd. The equality holds because of the monoid structure of the objects (most likely strings) that we're working with)
< 1588891119 768995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe that's your confusion? Separating the rewrite rules from the implicit equalities that we can use between rewriting steps? I'm not sure... I've added quite a bit of my own interpretation to the picture, so I may be quite far from what you want.
< 1588891252 857468 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I understand "cd = cεd to cabd", and I think that breaks what I was trying to do with ε on the LHS, so I'll do some more reading (incl. Finite-state transducers) and see if I can formulate what I'm trying to do better. 
< 1588891465 698885 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be available to chat, but not watching IRC. Mention me if anything comes up.
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> 1588891573 816004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetratrary/Sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71940 5* 03Tetratrary 5* (+4639) 10Created page with "'''Alluvium''' is a programming language.  There are only two data types in Alluvium: numbers and streams.  Every number in Alluvium is a non-negative integer. The size of a n..."
< 1588891575 657121 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I'm going to think on this more. I don't feel a beginning of source α is at all necessary , but that an ω is in at least some cases, although it would be better to avoid it when possible. 
< 1588891618 781411 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :figuring out why I think that is going to take me some more time :)
< 1588891963 300261 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks for the Finite-state transducer link, that's a new concept for me and sounds very much like what we're trying to do. I'll read up on it before trying anything new.
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< 1588893049 921757 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: I think the eof marker makes a lot of sense but I agree that avoiding it implies something stronger than allowing it. I'll check out the finite-state transducer link as well.
< 1588893118 489500 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this is remarkably close to what we're talking about
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< 1588896579 181301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, and he's doing namespace violation too
< 1588896642 782172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp_add is used as the name of an extern in C namespace in both libtom and bellard's libbf, for incompatible things. I guess he thought that libtom was already so namespace-clashing (it defines functions that clash with gmp) that it deserves this.
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< 1588897289 941557 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see conversations about rewriting and I get excited.
< 1588897460 933843 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're free software, so I can rename extern identifiers and recompile if I ever want to link these together
< 1588897702 96813 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try not to add too many dependencies, in order to avoid such thing, as well as other problems
< 1588897825 99134 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's unlikely that I'd ever want to link any two of these together
< 1588897844 395732 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could happen if I link together other bigger libraries that link them
< 1588897857 128487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, still unlikely
> 1588898007 849991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71943&oldid=71939 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-139) 10
< 1588898033 543086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: note though that I started to look at bellard's libbf exactly because it's a much smaller dependency than even MPIR
< 1588898060 701406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it is also worse in some respects than MPIR+MPFR, you can't expect it to do everything those larger libraries can do
< 1588898098 645464 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, it's also smaller than libtom or boost multiprecision)
> 1588898216 377636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71944&oldid=71943 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+288) 10/* Streets */
< 1588898364 187206 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be possible to fork the file if needed and if possible, to use #define commands to rename the functions. (Depending on the program, it might work.)
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< 1588899459 448648 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the computer sounds like one of the fans keeps going faster and slower? The sensors doesn't mention that
< 1588900098 291525 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whatever it is, the temperature seems to be unaffected, including the hard drive temperature.)
< 1588900110 710140 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The fan speed as reported by computer also seems to be unaffected.)
< 1588900142 36868 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan speed is usually variable.
< 1588900153 540587 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need something running to constantly remove heat if your load is low.
< 1588900323 919312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but does it usually adjust the speed that fast? On my computer it sometimes does but not always.
< 1588900385 144412 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's under high load, then yes, fans typically spin to remove heat.
< 1588900538 605731 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although as I said, it seems to be independent of the temperature and of the system load, as far as I can tell.
< 1588900700 643527 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably monitor your system.
< 1588900749 911082 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way?
< 1588900778 149389 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have temperature and system load displayed at all times, together with the RAM usage, current date/time, and number of email messages.
< 1588901036 308154 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that'd be the thing you'd want to monitor. graph the temp and load over time.
< 1588901047 788888 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fan speed if you have a monitor.
< 1588901267 853393 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a monitor for CPU fan speed and CHASSIS1 fan speed; it also says CHASSIS2 fan speed and POWER fan speed but those last two always report zero and have always done so (maybe it is unable to measure the fan speed), and that was the case on all of my previous computers too.
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< 1588902802 15155 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check for dust
< 1588903288 959409 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't open the computer. What is the best way to clean the dust once I do open it?
< 1588903376 347143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crazy and use a vacuum cleaner.
< 1588903487 464181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are probably specialized devices (some sort of brush with protection against electrostatic buildup with a small vaccum attached cleaner maybe)
< 1588903527 616420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuum attached cleaner... embrace the new word order.
< 1588903573 90266 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long will it take for mail to reach to Canada from New York?
< 1588903583 296713 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now due to the virus)
< 1588903634 451886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( www.usps.com )
< 1588903673 179321 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we ain't google.
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> 1588911230 552389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71945&oldid=71797 5* 03Ais523 5* (+825) 10/* Thoughts on generalized simple translations */ it could affect parsing
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< 1588914586 31320 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What interval should I use to make a graph of temperature and system load?
< 1588914734 673112 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will go in bed, but maybe tomorrow I might do that
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< 1588928057 529672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I sample every 5 seconds for my graphs.
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< 1588931050 497381 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out this group theory 
< 1588931055 905166 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higman%27s_embedding_theorem
< 1588931063 104621 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.02036
< 1588931722 707590 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation_of_a_group#Novikov%E2%80%93Boone_theorem
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< 1588942530 738760 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK
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< 1588951513 854706 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it necessary to check if the program overslept?
< 1588953471 348141 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi! How was your post about pi calculus been called? I remember you told about it something interesting and linked to the post with Haskell translation or something, and there was a helpful example to understand how the calculus works at all; I tried to tell a friend about the calculus and I think this example would be very helpful
< 1588953570 796425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried to search for it in my browser history and didn’t find anything)
< 1588953622 98811 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi arseniiv! http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2011/09/lambda-to-pi.html
< 1588953651 312339 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a pi-calculus interpreter in Haskell, and a lamba calculus to pi calculus compiler
< 1588953670 972311 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I forgot that was your blog
< 1588953671 10460 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you like, hope your friend likes it too
< 1588953684 939675 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my old blog :)
< 1588953688 411956 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thank you very much!
< 1588953688 482637 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :my new blog is https://kmcallister.github.io/skywave/
< 1588953697 949910 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have different interests now
< 1588953707 962299 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the old one was still pretty eclectic
< 1588953711 422548 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes I know that :)
< 1588953720 86963 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about writing another blog post soon actuall
< 1588953724 604272 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :More just, I forgot the pairing
< 1588953757 635255 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe about mushroom growing
< 1588953769 647225 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe documenting one of my ham radio projects from long ago that i never did a proper writeup for
< 1588953770 124833 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1588953912 320110 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, obl. hi, how are you doing this morning?)
< 1588953936 298387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> maybe about mushroom growing => with mushroom photos?
< 1588953962 317184 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe! mushrooms are very photogenic!
< 1588953969 691840 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm can one grow a Befunge interpreter at home )
< 1588954023 763032 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/eL4dgHC
< 1588954111 495561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fungal Computers Inc. 'Computers that grow on you'"
< 1588954123 800087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote https://www.bedroomlan.org/hardware/fungus/d/figure/default/1024w/fungal-growth-83.png
< 1588954123 901856 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :love it
< 1588954179 949812 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I’m slightly afraid of mold: what would happen if I’ll breathe in its spores unknowingly?)
< 1588954216 473388 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll become a cyborg, i guess
< 1588954272 160191 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a cordyceps-style drone or smth
< 1588954579 665317 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D
< 1588954591 350533 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah spores can make you sick
< 1588954596 557505 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom farmer's lung is a thing
< 1588954777 673468 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just tossed out a big batch of mold :(
< 1588954797 277982 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be vigilant, once you start growing mold it only makes the problem worse :(
< 1588954804 539794 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch mold
< 1588954831 290485 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm doing well this morning, how bout you?
< 1588954904 175196 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing alright! Kinda chill day at work today (read: I'm on IRC) and not hurting as much as I was yesterday
< 1588954958 227152 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, ooof. Mold instead of mushrooms :( no fun
< 1588955119 915643 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: pikhq: now how do I tell which one without experiencing it irreparably? :S
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< 1588955234 772672 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only mycologist-adjacent, but I think that's gonna be a matter of using a microscope to examine the mold to hopefully identify the species
< 1588955256 479878 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otoh, honestly, if it's mold maybe just don't risk it.
< 1588955261 888918 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyborg seems way cooler than control by fungi. Hm wait it can be both at the same time and it will be dangerous, we are borg and all that
< 1588955266 119794 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are generally not good things for people.
< 1588955307 862440 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, cordyceps is only that bad for, like, arthropods
< 1588955330 979541 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, when I throw out something with mold inside, I’ll then wash my hands and face and even mouth
< 1588955337 320244 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :But idk, maybe you're a spider that speaks English
< 1588955363 225436 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.232.2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m a google crawler^W^W^W^W wait have I said anything
< 1588955424 595041 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk, I could admit to weirder
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> 1588963707 474780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07&brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71949&oldid=71730 5* 03Zseri 5* (+1) 10/* See also */ update absolute-addrs repo url
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< 1588964525 382675 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point there was a Tcl NPAPI plugin, for viewing "Tclets", Tcl applets on the web. Some of those have graphics, stored in text format in the Tcl
< 1588964578 128930 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kiblerelectronics.com/tcl/sol.tcl
< 1588964588 88786 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kiblerelectronics.com/tcl/plugin_sol.html
< 1588964975 157441 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how different the world would be if Tcl took off in that format
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> 1588965560 240954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befinde14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71950&oldid=71728 5* 03Zseri 5* (-3) 10update repo url
< 1588965584 848379 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's safer than Java. Tcl has "safe interpreter" features, I don't know how good they are.
< 1588965742 498537 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world needs a sandboxed language.
< 1588965757 488814 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasm is trying to be that.
< 1588965765 153901 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle they let you restrict all I/O and run untrusted code. However, while the overall quality of the Tcl codebase is quite high IMO, it hasn't really faced a lot of real world attack or abuse.
< 1588965786 745804 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wouldn't be shocked if that is vulnerable to malicious code.
< 1588965940 440656 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some issues with wasm, but I kinda hope it takes off.
< 1588965986 751292 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not literally ideal, but it is the one attempt at a standard language-agnostic sandboxable runtime that seems like it has the traction to succeed.
< 1588966364 543223 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should try compiling Tcl with Emscripten
< 1588966379 794428 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ... taking the Tclem stuff someone else did and extend it to behave like the plugin
< 1588966431 408106 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah this doesn't have Tk https://aidanhs.github.io/emtcl/
< 1588966573 362995 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasm is what I'd call a transitional technology, much like asm.js was.
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< 1588966608 151285 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it has enough traction, it'll be surpassed, and we'll get new toolchains for the thing that surpasses it.
< 1588966613 605959 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I hope...
< 1588967560 779243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( cute, this site wanted to load a script from undefined.undefined... )
> 1588967582 160429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71951 5* 03Orby 5* (+2782) 10Creating Esowar page
> 1588967705 604012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71952&oldid=71951 5* 03Orby 5* (+122) 10
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< 1588967835 614661 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody wanna play a brainfuck style core war game?
< 1588967889 303297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's bfjoust
< 1588968055 895661 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar in concept, but esowar has the program and data on the same tape
< 1588968067 950860 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing for self modifying code and other tricks
< 1588968118 546746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that deal with []?
< 1588968137 439813 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is no matching bracket it's treated as a nop
< 1588968162 770375 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your question?
< 1588968169 863339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And [ scans forward and ] scans backward at the time the instruction is executed?
< 1588968175 213547 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1588968184 82974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, makes sense.
< 1588968208 886245 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the objective in esowar is to get your opponent to execute the "die" instruction
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< 1588968257 772716 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most obvious way of doing so is to overwrite the tape with the die instruction and hope you don't suicide, but the ideas are endless
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< 1588968702 16851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My feeling is that brainfuck is too slow for this kind of stuff. [[+>]+] will disrupt a lot of programs without producing a die instruction... so expect many draws?
< 1588968805 131171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that feeling wrong if it's just those 7 symbols. (Can you assign them values so it's clear what + does to them?)
< 1588968851 156520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I can guess that r = 0, d = 1, and so on, but I shouldn't have to guess :) )
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< 1588969202 567607 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for updating it :) The example is very effective at producing quick wins / suicides [+]+[<[+]+]
< 1588969232 902649 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working on adding detection for it's own base to that so it doesn't suicide
< 1588969316 120128 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[+>]+] would be effective at producing draws too
< 1588969341 561846 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not before a [+]+[<[+]+] produced a whole bunch of die instructions that you'd eventually hit
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< 1588969913 17566 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea was that [[+>]+] would move faster than [<[+]+].
< 1588969924 89407 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But meh. I'm probably not getting into this anyway.
< 1588969937 329048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resisted core wars, I mostly resisted bfjoust. I can resist this.
< 1588969965 867856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Espoecially because I have plenty of other things to ponder.
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< 1588970219 388051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for what it's worth, I expected there to be more than one no-op when I suggested it.
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< 1588971190 983366 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I thought of something which turns out to be the same as a "LOOP" programming language on Wikipedia, with the same set of commands, but a different syntax. However, today I found that they already did that (although with the different syntax than I have).
> 1588971279 503263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Streetcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71956&oldid=71947 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+838) 10/* Streets */
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< 1588981643 436803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a graph of the temperature and system load average, although it is still recording (I set it to record for 24 hours).
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< 1588994212 100101 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my new rules for Magic: the Gathering (to use with my custom cards) include generalized haunt and mutate, and also runebanding.
< 1588994306 345173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bands with other runes?
< 1588994729 367122 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, with other runebanding runes, that is.
< 1588995326 685060 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now "haunt" can specify what object it haunts, and "mutate" can specify what permanent it mutates (it still needs to have the same owner as the spell, though).
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< 1588996377 748107 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you make up a card using any of these things.
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< 1588997749 171304 :Antebrationist!ca9a8266@202-154-130-102.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay? I was reading the logs for esowar, and it seems very interesting. Is it only 1d?
< 1588997896 886100 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, in C++, is std::bind(std::uniform_int_distribution<int>{0,1}, rng); expected to take a copy of the rng? *mumble*
< 1588998109 257018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean instead of a pointer?
< 1588998117 334852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's impossible to know with these C++ things.
< 1588998143 104371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably clearer to write it with a lambda.
< 1588998447 521507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently "the answer" is to use std::ref.
< 1588998497 471956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://godbolt.org/z/FFkBtD
< 1588998538 909154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy, what an answer.
< 1588998547 743032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better answer is surely to scrap std::bind.
< 1588998642 929377 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1588998703 100754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[&rng]() { return std::uniform_int_distribution<int>{0,1}(rng); } is probably clearer?
< 1588998727 613042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a maze of std::little::passages, all different, it is to figure out what's going on here.
< 1588998781 452593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also just write [&]() { ... }
< 1588998782 533524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I did manage to write the lambda. :)
< 1588998805 131746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more annoyed that I've been doing this wrong, blissfully unaware of the copy.
< 1588998813 948485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I just felt like I should argue for the more reasonable thing a little more after mentioning the ridiculous thing.
< 1588998873 452736 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the quicker fix :P
< 1588998883 191290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using std::ref that is.)
< 1588998908 547200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you never ever have to understand what's going on with that code.
< 1588998917 990533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, C++ is so ridiculous.
< 1588998939 511765 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've said it before, and I'll say it many more times. It's one of my favorite esolangs.
< 1588998952 226666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1588998956 775092 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOOP_%28programming_language%29 This is the same idea I thought of the day before, but I used a different syntax. Set to zero is the name and a equal sign, increment is the name and a plus sign, loop is the name and then a left bracket and then the commands and then the right bracket, commands are separated by spaces.
< 1588998958 155144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree on the eso, but why favorite?
< 1588998987 332288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I finally noticed because I wanted to run several instances of my program, providing seeds on the command line (for reproducibility)... and saw that the seed had no effect. bummer.
< 1588999010 301125 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, there's something amazing about this farce that people keep pretending that it's a Real Serious Language™ when it's about as well-designed as fucking MUMPS
< 1588999022 401691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(out of laziness, the rng is a global variable, and I re-seeded it with the program argument)
< 1588999045 887245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure no harm can come of accidentally copying a random number generator.
< 1588999064 637906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/May2020.html ... not production code by any standard.
< 1588999074 428331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No harm at all...
< 1588999092 209633 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; I don't know. Some people use C++, I use C. I also think many features of C++ are not so well designed, and had a different idea to do some of its similar things differently in C, but different and without any extra runtime libraries needed.
< 1588999126 426673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean who wouldn't want this: http://paste.debian.net/1145790/
< 1588999165 96977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that's missing two lines, #include <functional> and #include <iostream>
< 1588999169 951477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Exactly.
< 1588999281 557818 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea was that you cannot overload the assignment operator, but you can overload the assignment through pointer operator. I don't know if overloading the assignment through pointer operator is possible in C++; do you know?
< 1588999328 333465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which operator is that?
< 1588999372 815021 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example *x=y;
< 1588999527 490099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that can have a different interpretation from the separate meanings of * and =
< 1588999557 141891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: My idea (which is also the way ALGOL 68 and BLISS work) is that there are no mutable variables, only pointers.
< 1588999585 595983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And instead of a mutable variable you have an immutable pointer to a mutable memory cell.
< 1588999606 153956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you might have to explicitly dereference: x = $x + 1
< 1588999632 515848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assignment operator = takes two arguments, a reference and a value. The derefernece operator $ takes a reference and returns a value.
< 1588999636 252398 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that way is good too, I like that too
< 1588999639 961333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1588999656 182396 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answered that question already
< 1588999661 239623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I asked it too late.
< 1588999665 394341 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1588999669 837120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried that this will make code too verbose.
< 1588999690 314416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all the extra dereferences you don't need to write in a typical language.
< 1588999695 678052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think?
< 1588999780 742581 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is OK; some other programming languages already work similarly and it works OK, including Forth.
< 1588999837 297918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have the equivalent of "T *array;" in C.
< 1588999861 752664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C code "array[i]" would turn into "$array[$i]", I suppose.
< 1588999880 746833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "$($array + $i)". Does the [] have an implicit $?
< 1588999923 382784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C a[i] is an lvalue, so really the direct corresponding thing here is just +.
< 1588999937 909129 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1588999941 338177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$($a[$i]) is just ridiculous, though.
< 1588999968 213396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all seem kind of noisy.
< 1588999982 525130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing you can do is implicitly figure out when things are dereferenced, like ALGOL 68 does.
< 1589000011 91088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I'm worried that things are ambiuous, for example in the situation "int f(int *x);" vs. "int g(int x);" being called the same way.
< 1589000018 952942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think is best then to don't have a [] notation
< 1589000045 7564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what instead?
< 1589000051 827242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course [] isn't the only problem, it's just one thing.
< 1589000055 251850 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use + instead
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< 1589002914 664744 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I found an application for sortin arrays in http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/May2020.html :-)
< 1589002943 637152 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello brain... I meant sorting networks
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< 1589005441 6728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: last time I implemented something that used this, arrays themselves were generally immutable (only their elements were mutable)
< 1589005464 835890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so normally you wouldn't be explicitly dereferencing an array
< 1589005489 111689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I implemented arrays as functions that returned references, and postfix () had higher precedence than $
< 1589005517 286961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so array[i] turns into $array[$i] which parses as $(array[$i])
< 1589005560 951709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* array[$i] turns into $array($i) which parses as $(array($i))
< 1589005579 757225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your examples look weird to me, though, because the language in question used $ for dereference but := for assignment
< 1589005603 617686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= was used to define the value of an immutable thing as it came into scope)
< 1589005797 984507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I was thinking of that.
< 1589005825 68450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's also the odd thing that when you switch something from immutable to mutable, you have to go through all the use sites and modify them.
< 1589005842 39250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It make some sense, but when you compare it to a C program it's pretty awkward.
< 1589005886 667873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if arrays are immutable, there are probably other things with similar problems.
< 1589005958 107690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe an array that can be reassigned is a weird enough thing that $($arr)[$i] is fine.
< 1589005977 18428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the language in question?
< 1589006047 341547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty curious how awkward this works out to be in practice.
< 1589006092 486028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you had structs, did e.g. struct dereference have a meaning for both references to structs and structs?
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< 1589009560 877572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... 100M generations per second on a single core. Yum :)
< 1589009849 243225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the May Ponder This challenge, and with the fixed rule string from that challenge.)
< 1589010977 574177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, for 121 cells.
< 1589010990 362903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether you can speed up a finite torus board with hashlife.
< 1589011169 420678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it.
< 1589011194 452873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, hashlife will kick in when you have a cycle... but for this problem, you're done at that point.
< 1589011240 596262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's memory usage... nah, I only see reasons why it probably doesn't work.
< 1589011266 602811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/work/help/
< 1589012358 954462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds that way. But maybe there's some trick.
< 1589012361 552529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not.
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> 1589020252 460594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71968&oldid=67514 5* 03Pelirodri 5* (+2121) 10Factorial sample.
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< 1589028237 118516 :psdw22!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls s/work/help/
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< 1589028244 681990 :psdw22!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls s/work/
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< 1589028249 252675 :psdw22!4c401021@bras-vprn-okvlon3013w-lp130-06-76-64-16-33.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls s/work
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< 1589028409 674104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDGI.
< 1589028467 373758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess someone misinterpreted int-e's s/work/help/ comment as a pathname?)
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< 1589041856 503549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hah, cute.
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< 1589047448 149156 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/img_1D/sensorrec.png Now do you believe me?
< 1589047489 60499 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Due to the way the data is recorded, it won't record the system load as zero even when it is zero.)
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< 1589049427 171427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> What was the language in question? ← Verity; it isn't very well known
< 1589049444 92796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't/doesn't have structs, so that issue hasn't come up yet
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< 1589054430 276702 :epsilon00!~epsilon00@xdsl-31-164-50-69.adslplus.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi can someone help me please
< 1589054433 184072 :epsilon00!~epsilon00@xdsl-31-164-50-69.adslplus.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng
< 1589054467 715105 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo
< 1589054515 649356 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, w/ what?
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< 1589055060 661867 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temperature of my computer is currently reported as 35.5 Celsius.
< 1589055074 666121 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is the CPU temperature)
< 1589055206 881144 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1589055792 861419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, but I think you've mentioned it before.
< 1589055794 461959 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! i gotta go
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< 1589055802 42225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLISS also doesn't have structs.
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< 1589060914 175031 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need the C program and PostScript program I wrote for these temperature recording and plotting?
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< 1589061428 809742 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all
< 1589061467 733989 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do some computer games use compression formats that will sometimes fail for unsolvable levels?
< 1589061532 293257 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that
< 1589061625 376168 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have done that with a sokoban game once; its compression algorithm sometimes fails for unsolvable levels (such as levels with cornered boxes, unreachable areas, etc)
< 1589061678 209369 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not because it checks for such things, but because the compressed format is incapable of representing some of those features.)
< 1589061766 679047 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think this is also true of Gruniozerca 3. The way that the compression works requires that the solution is recorded too, apparently.
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< 1589072137 227079 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on a token-based rewriting language that has some vague resemblance to concatenative languages.
< 1589072159 743427 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :with native support for lists, anything is possible.
< 1589072271 995302 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hatebin.com/ssyfkqowua
< 1589072419 738592 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :while loops are proving tricky with the "infix" syntax.
< 1589072475 177914 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if/else was also tricky. it assumes a default evaluation order of right to left. writing it to be direction agnostic is kind of the next goal.
< 1589072582 151634 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if rdrop is evaluated before rswap, for example, you'll end up swapping two unrelated values on the right-hand side, and that'll be messy if anything else is beyond that context.
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< 1589081110 745762 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: that language looks fun
< 1589081122 474563 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and frankly I like the syntax, so I think i'm going to steal it for my own use
< 1589081124 689638 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1589081250 168706 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :for less esoteric purposes, mind you
< 1589082353 257967 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that vaguely reminds me of that one time I tried TCL.
< 1589082365 585855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of the many square brackets)
< 1589082423 260856 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, Tcl
< 1589082533 726887 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried to program in PostScript one time, though? (Apparently, even the inventor of INTERCAL uses PostScript.)
< 1589082605 182036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think you read the M:tG comprule updates. If I cast a Migratory Greathorn and choose to mutate an opponent's creature with it, then who controls the triggered ability triggered from the Greathorn?
< 1589082765 91141 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spell has to have the same owner as the creature you choose to mutate, I think. So unless the opponent's creature is owned by the same player as the spell (e.g. because your opponent took control of your creature), you can't cast that spell like that.
< 1589082810 467599 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, to answer your question, let's see the Migratory Greathorn card, first.
< 1589082960 42691 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, rule 702.139d merely says "An ability that triggers whenever a creature mutates triggers when a spell merges with a creature as a result of a resolving mutating creature spell." I think it triggers after it is on the battlefield, so your opponent controls that ability, but you get to decide to put it on the top or bottom.
< 1589082985 28809 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If someone knows to the contrary, you can tell me, but I think it works like how I mentioned.)
< 1589083351 618582 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, there's a requirement that the parts of the mutated creature has to have the same owner, so this doesn't come up too often, but there are lots of effects to take control of a creature
< 1589083388 321321 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized something, which is that if you are using my "generalized mutate" rule but only using official cards (maybe because it is a kind of Constructed game with both custom and official cards, but neither player decided to use any custom cards), nevertheless it has an effect on the game, because it is now possible to use Artificial Evolution to prevent a creature from mutating.
< 1589083458 387956 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. I wrote what is the best I can tell from reading the rules.
< 1589083462 647295 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, it's not even quite clear to me from the rules who will control the merged creature after you mutate, and whether the order of the cards depends for that
< 1589083471 988902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1589083523 310637 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it will have the same controller as the original, because who controls a permanent is a continuous property, and continuous effects continue to apply.
< 1589083782 115195 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rule 721.2c specifically says that continuous effects continue to apply.)
< 1589083829 620526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, there might not be a continuous effect if the original creature is a card that was put otb under the opponent's control, such as with Gruesome Encore.
< 1589083894 468915 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that since it is a continuous property, it is still a continuous effect, although not a static effect.
< 1589083924 203513 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I am unsure.
< 1589084008 448440 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 721.2c says that the merged object is the same object as the permanent that already existed
< 1589084062 374276 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I think that if (hypothetically) some static ability says "you control all blue permanents", and the mutation changes it to not blue, then since the mutation is a layer 1 effect and control is a layer 2 effect, this means that control effect will no longer apply (and Thoughtlace won't allow you to take it back, since that is a layer 5 effect).
< 1589084126 731580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you control all blue permanents" is a very unlikely effect, but sure
< 1589084163 799752 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is unlikely, but I was giving a hypothetical example.
< 1589084301 281688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should ask efnet/#mtgrules probably
< 1589084340 416933 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps they know better than I do.
< 1589084353 996143 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or the scryfall web forum
< 1589084376 461352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but I should re-read the release notes first
< 1589084404 108620 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe they answered the question for you
< 1589084911 85137 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my "Master Shuffler" and "Malaclypse the Younger" Un-cards?
< 1589084995 701488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I haven't looked at your cards lately, especially not your un-cards
< 1589085048 759492 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master Shuffler shuffles players, planeswalkers, mana pools, your hand, planar decks, scheme decks, time stamps, and the layer system.
< 1589085063 805618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malaclypse the Younger makes all intervening if clauses true.
< 1589085418 712416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: efnet/#magicjudges-rules tells me that the opponent keeps control of the permanent when it merges with a mutate card
< 1589085437 496451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that they'll also control the "whenever this creature mutates" ability
< 1589085463 513606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if an opponent owns my treefolk, I can mutate it with a Greathorn and they'll have to shuffle
< 1589085530 986566 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I thought.
< 1589085547 259753 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am more certain of it, because they said the same thing.
< 1589085989 640082 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: feel free to steal lol.
< 1589086017 580910 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an inconvenient little language because you don't have a separation between code and data.
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< 1589088909 127617 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What commands are required to make a language with two stacks TC?
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< 1589089603 461557 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends on the other stuff in the programming language
< 1589089687 932633 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Let's say we have operands to increment and decrement both stacks, move the top item from each stack to the top of the other one, and some kind of control flow based on the value in each stack.
< 1589089707 563692 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just a thought experiment of course, I'm not going to actually turn it into a language.
< 1589089781 509004 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that can be similar to brainfuck, I think.
< 1589089792 68356 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so?
< 1589089834 810954 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could consider having a tape where one stack is everything on the left of the tape and other stack is everything on the right of the tape, I think.
< 1589089844 820029 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see <> being equivalent to the moving between stacks and the increment/decrement being equivalent, but I don't really get the whole control flow part.
< 1589089853 940349 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the control flow still work the same way?
< 1589090002 69952 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends how you define it, I suppose.
< 1589090024 327640 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. This thought experiment isn't very fleshed out yet.
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< 1589090079 522178 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just say that depending on whether the sum of the values at the top of the stacks is even or odd, it does different stuff.
< 1589090088 645987 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not Turing complete.
< 1589090091 693207 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind that.
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< 1589090453 812695 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you post the programming language you invented before, on the esolang wiki yet?
< 1589090459 520818 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah.
< 1589090469 1405 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's fully fledged enough.
< 1589090485 143466 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, there are already 4 major Befunge copies, and this is fairly similar.
< 1589090497 84493 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it really does is uses a different memory model.
< 1589090536 949537 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the whole "you can have as many pointers as you like" thing just annoyed me. It seems... inelegant?
< 1589090537 451164 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, though.
< 1589090578 37002 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you? I may post it then. I have an article in the works for it, although I'm not sure whether I should be like all of those people who spampost BF deriatives.
< 1589090596 247567 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2d control flow feels a lot like Befunge.
< 1589090795 902515 :Antebrationist45!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll post it now thought, seeing as you like it.
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< 1589091484 155970 :Antebrationist!ca9a86c4@202-154-134-196.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, this thought experiment might become a language now.
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< 1589117019 217983 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.13.161.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! have someone read something comprehensive about error recovery in parsers? I think I have almost no idea which approaches are out there and which ones are deemed more useful
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< 1589122181 526042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think the best way to have good error recovery is to design the syntax of your language well. For example, in typical python code, if you miscount parenthesis and forget to close one, you usually get a confused error message where the parser thinks that the next line is a continuation of your statement. but if you write your program to put a semicolon at the end of every simple statement, 
< 1589122187 534813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which python allows, then you get good error messages, because the parser knows that semicolons (unlike line breaks) can only appear between statements, not inside parenthesis.
< 1589122251 910333 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.13.161.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wait, Python allows semicolons?? Maybe that’s JS?
< 1589122304 395589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you design your language to have tokens that only appear between statements and you can't nest statements inside expressions, then you can recover from unbalanced expressions. similarly if you use a different token to end a function definition than to end the body of a conditional, then even if you miscount your braces inside the function, the parser will know where the function definition ends and 
< 1589122310 374200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can recover to parse the next function.
< 1589122346 593190 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eg. in C, double-quoted string literals can't have line break in the end, so if you forget a double quote, the lexer can recover in the next line.
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< 1589122365 328765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly most programming languages these days aren't designed to match these principles. 
< 1589122404 642936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of understandable, because it goes against letting you write flexible and brief code where only a few kinds of braces and semicolons are available so many punctuation are precious and have several overloaded meanings
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< 1589122468 381884 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.13.161.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, indeed Python understands semicolons. Shame I’ve read a bit of its grammar and didn’t notice they are allowed as separators :|
< 1589122512 80003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just realized. in Consumer Society, every program can trivially be written such that square brackets are nested to at most 2 depth. I can add a switch to the interpreter where it absolutely refuses square brackets nested to more than 2 depth, that way it can find missing closing square brackets and recover from them. 
< 1589122558 374703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't help with missing a curly brace, but it's still useful to some extent.
< 1589122584 167901 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Consumer Society is an esolang that's not very suitable to finding errors in compile time in first place, so even that is something.
< 1589122625 38758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want your compiler to find errors, you'd use a programming language with a type system and a compiler, not an esolang like Consumer Society.
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< 1589123487 639897 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.13.161.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: funny that I consider writing a parser for an esolang with a touch of typing via abstract types: the runtime has actually only one data type and all operations work on it nicely, but you’d be able to add simple function contracts like “this function returns N”, “if this function takes N, it returns N”, and then these would be enforced by the compiler in all the code except the part where these functions are defined
< 1589123546 6340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.13.161.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know if this approach is called abstract types but I thought this is the closest match
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< 1589134312 400939 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic semicolon insertion is I think one o the bad features of JavaScript.
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< 1589134748 705888 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad feature of PostScript is the inability to use automatic allocation with the readline operator.
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< 1589136830 684367 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are js coding guidelines that suggest omiting the semicolon wherever possible and only set it at the start of a line when necessary
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< 1589136858 361691 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a horrible recommendation imho since it will force you to enter/remove semicilons if you move code around
< 1589136920 911743 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, and I always add the semicolons when writing a program in JavaScript.
< 1589136959 526509 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY?
< 1589137006 805104 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean why I, myname, what myname mentioned, or all of these?
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> 1589138913 546832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72019&oldid=71962 5* 03Emerald 5* (+89) 10Better storage
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> 1589138979 404432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72021&oldid=71988 5* 03Emerald 5* (+58) 10Added own language
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< 1589147054 158007 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :question. how the heck do Game Boy games implement animated tiles? from what I read about the graphics chip, that isn't supposed to be possible without a lot of CPU use
< 1589147077 523055 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet a lot of game boy games have animated water or other animated tiles, so I'm probably missing something obvious
< 1589147152 989544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be palette cycling because there are only one and a half tile layers and only one palette per tile layer
< 1589147207 923960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to either very quickly find all animated tiles in the tilemap memory and modify them, or quickly rewrite the bitmap of a few tiles stored in the tileset memory, every frame
< 1589147223 594179 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or emulate them with sprites, which also seems impossible with how much these are used.
< 1589147401 727988 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're probably rewriting the bitmaps in the tileset memory every frame, and design the levels so that there's very few tiles that they have to update 
< 1589147416 241714 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still seems unrealistic
< 1589147425 756322 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can apparently animate a lot
< 1589147500 125507 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talking original gameboy?
< 1589147662 305189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 kilometers south of Berlin? so that's close to Dresden probably
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< 1589147723 583625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrnog channel for that last one
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< 1589150226 591956 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have pattern table bank switching like NES/Famicom does? I am unsure (I probably read it once but now I forget)
< 1589150379 106968 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't remember the details
< 1589150411 144150 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is pattern table bank switching when you switch the entire layer between two pattern tables of 256 tiles each?
< 1589150426 364855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good idea, that might be what's happening
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< 1589150499 298792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. falling into the first shallow sap hole in tree 2
< 1589150512 215266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel again, 
< 1589150517 709785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatting in multiple channels is confusing
< 1589150928 131255 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I mean
< 1589151207 965225 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's hard for them to do with that? Can't you just modify the background map, and simply change which tileset entries get used for certain tiles?
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< 1589151224 240628 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm missing something, but that's just in video RAM and doesn't need much CPU to do?
< 1589151286 172627 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah iirc there's no limit to you altering PPU memory.
< 1589151310 164993 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq; it's in the video RAM, but the CPU doesn't get that much time between frames, it's only like 1 megahertz speed with a Z80-like CPU, and it wants to do all sorts of other computations between frames
< 1589151345 909961 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each tile pattern is 32 bytes long, and you usually have to update several tiles
< 1589151410 911392 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe altering the bg tile table takes that much CPU.
< 1589151417 163726 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, I wasn't saying updating the tile pattern. I was saying update the _used tile in the background map_
< 1589151428 208183 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is one byte per tile.
< 1589151455 845051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's even harder, because you have to find which tiles to update there
< 1589151468 518467 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same water tiles or muncher tiles usually appear a lot of times
< 1589151502 977589 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:417b:90f8:1834:45d0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1589151509 746499 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :animated water usually is done in pretty short order.
< 1589151527 89571 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Game Boy only has 8x8 tiles, just like the NES, so there are a lot of tiles to look up
< 1589151534 603412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8x8 pixel sized tiles that is
< 1589151540 563085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it has a smaller screen than the NES
< 1589151546 383034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NES CPU has a DMA to make it possible to update the sprite table quickly enough during vblank
< 1589151561 386032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it normally has plenty of time to update backgrounds just via regular CPU instructions
< 1589151567 682381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I think the GB CPU accesses the PPU memory directly too
< 1589151579 970268 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GB has DMA as well.
< 1589151589 683702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PPU on the NES isn't accessed directly, rather there's a specialised memcpy instruction on the CPU for it
< 1589151603 897910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that puts it in a mode which memcpies one byte per cycle into the PPU sprite memory
< 1589151616 134075 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean its tile and pattern memory, not the registers. accessing the registers is more complicated.
< 1589151619 761508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can't write a memcpy that runs that fast on a 6502 normally)
< 1589151624 219592 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh nice
< 1589151626 564611 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about that
< 1589151642 382870 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcopies one byte per cycle? yes, that's impossible on a normal 6502
< 1589151653 543687 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gbdev.gg8.se/wiki/articles/Video_Display#LCD_OAM_DMA_Transfers
< 1589151665 988920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like by far
< 1589151674 600410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I can see why it was invented
< 1589151692 911438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be too hard to add a few extra circuits to make that fast a memcpy possible using the normal on-chip ALU and read and write architecture
< 1589151696 495827 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. does the Game Boy has such a feature too?
< 1589151702 632140 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above.
< 1589151706 201563 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't a special instruction on the CPU, but rather a function of the APU to implement sprite DMA on NES. (However, the CPU and APU are the same physical chip)
< 1589151709 379761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, there's clearly no way to do it under software control so you'd need extra hardware to implement it
< 1589151772 490069 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but the problem is that it has to be in the CPU, because those CPUs and PPUs access the memory in a synchronized way, it'd be hard to just do it asynhroniously from a separate device, and it wasn't easy to modify a CPU in such a way back then
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< 1589151795 607581 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is the APU?
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< 1589151821 74350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the Game Boy version is rather more advanced than the NES version
< 1589151833 981056 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's like 5 years more advanced
< 1589151844 19841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the CPU functions normally during the DMA, except that some of the memory buses are tied up
< 1589151854 932819 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a Z80-based chip with an address space larger than 16 bytes
< 1589151856 514152 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The APU is the audio processing unit, although it also includes the OAM DMA and the game controller inputs.
< 1589151856 552287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1589151861 665575 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :address space larger than 16 bits
< 1589151866 274911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can actually run code, just you need to run it from somewhere that isn't busy with the DMA
< 1589151900 999734 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's rather handy.
< 1589151902 596398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice the NES never ran out of address space anyway, in most configurations it has tons more address space than physical memory
< 1589151907 270753 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but isn't the APU completely separate from the CPU and PPU and not even running from the same clock speed or something? or is that on a different console?
< 1589151943 716521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it needs to bank-switch on later chips because the address space is split up with certain parts being for certain purposes
< 1589151946 176188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what? doesn't the NES only have 16 bits of address space only?
< 1589151950 480047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can run out of address space in a particular part
< 1589151959 249488 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No, it uses the same clock speed.
< 1589151960 881909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, but that's 64 KiB which is more than most NES games use
< 1589151971 78657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: same clock speed, but not synchronized
< 1589151991 254290 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right, it's the SNES and Game Boy that has game cartridges up to 8 megabyte
< 1589152001 836938 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though 64 kilobytes still sounds pretty small for the NES
< 1589152006 569422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with most games, quite a lot of that 64 KiB is either mirror ROM / mirror RAM (i.e. two addresses for the same byte in memory), or else open bus
< 1589152006 779400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't some NES games have more ROM than that?
< 1589152019 71522 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the later ones that is
< 1589152022 381241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the games with more data stored normally use bank switching
< 1589152025 25112 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it uses bank switching in the cartridge.
< 1589152029 57588 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, exactly, bank switching
< 1589152034 91072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. they have multiple different ROMs in the cartridge
< 1589152038 771069 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that they have ran out of address space, just solved it in a reasonable manner
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< 1589152044 879681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's most important for background and sprite tables, which have a very small maximum size
< 1589152109 252823 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? does the NES not have built-in video memory, unlike the GB?
< 1589152132 73061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, in the NES it's all in the same bus I think
< 1589152147 245801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same memory
< 1589152153 279374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's usually in the ROM or something
< 1589152160 625512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's complicated, there's video RAM for choosing where the sprites are on screen, and where the backgrounds are on screen
< 1589152164 256054 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the GB has dedicated video memory that you have to write I think
< 1589152175 95456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pixels that make up a particular sprite, or particular background, are read directly from the cartridge and normally assumed to be in ROM
< 1589152182 575650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1589152183 4609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course there's nothing stopping the cartridge putting a RAM there instead)
< 1589152199 582978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the address space of that is really small
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< 1589152210 654609 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NES does have built-in video memory, although it is not normally used for pattern tables (it is normally used for name tables instead).
< 1589152219 703217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses bank-switching more commonly than other parts of memory
< 1589152220 80288 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a few games that do special, clever tricks will do exactly that)
< 1589152237 131520 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although there is a signal in the cartridge to specify whether to use the internal video memory (CIRAM) or that in the cartridge.)
< 1589152259 205211 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's possible that I'm misunderstanding something and the GB does this too
< 1589152296 513355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it only has 8 kilobytes of video memory, which is enough for scrolling the maps, with two bytes per 8x8 block on a 160x130 pixel or something screen, two layers, but way too little for pattern memory
< 1589152317 400822 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it probably just addresses pattern memory that's usually bank switched in directly from the cart too
< 1589152329 890068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IIRC, the NES's graphics chip implements a virtual screen that's 512×512, but its internal video memory only has enough space for half that
< 1589152347 606006 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is correct.
< 1589152353 3241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the cartridge needs to decide whether to make it 512×256, 256×512, or add additional memory of its own to get the full size
< 1589152367 114171 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, kind of. Part of each name table is used for attributes instead.)
< 1589152405 204270 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attributes are not stored with each cell, but rather each byte in the attribute area stores the attributes for four 2x2 blocks of cells.
< 1589152417 258597 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, on the NES you can choose a palette for each 16x16 pixel block
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< 1589152422 223302 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the original Game Boy doesn't have that
< 1589152436 748090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only choose the palette per layer and per sprite (or per two sprites or something, I don't recall)
< 1589152457 327826 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's because it can only display four physical colors on the LCD
< 1589152467 132625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the NES can display much more colors
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< 1589152547 726589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I think it's unfair to call that "attribute memory", it's just palette memory, the tile map itself has per-tile attributes in it
< 1589152569 351455 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: forder.cc/esowar if you're interested there's a tourney server now
< 1589152656 3111 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also having tilemap first, and attribute memory in more expensive later versions is a pretty popular solution, it's happened for at least three computers: the game boy (if you upgrade to game boy color), the VT100-like terminals (where you just plug in additional RAM), and the Commodore home computers 
< 1589152674 969800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good way to make a newer video chip that is compatible with older modes
< 1589152692 454873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and software that is compatible with older non-color hardware without needing too much extra data
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> 1589156035 562006 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72028&oldid=72020 5* 03Emerald 5* (+46) 10Clarified
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> 1589156434 441541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72029&oldid=72028 5* 03Emerald 5* (+23) 10Fixed programs
> 1589156593 676121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72030 5* 03Emerald 5* (+147) 10Made page and self insult
> 1589157336 409441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72031&oldid=71811 5* 03Emerald 5* (+11) 10
> 1589157347 140958 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72032&oldid=72031 5* 03Emerald 5* (+2) 10/* Languages I made: */
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< 1589157579 198117 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone made a language, only for it to be lost to the depths of the wiki?
< 1589157661 311825 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. I made some that currently do not have a name, and are my user subpages, but would be moved to the main name space once they have a proper name.
< 1589157716 382718 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel like my language is kinda useless.
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< 1589158059 400897 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like has anyone heard of “Numobin”?
< 1589158079 463475 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know it, because I just need an example.
< 1589158137 725406 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1589158251 707502 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel like the random page button isn’t much.
< 1589158336 837495 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PART :#esoteric
< 1589158346 130753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emerald: there's a large number of languages that ...
< 1589158359 755190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... are not worth discussion.
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< 1589159526 480469 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although see "User:Zzo38/Untitled_2" and "User:Zzo38/Untitled_3", which I think are not accessed by the random page function (and are not in the language list either; I can add it once I make up the name for it).
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> 1589160427 446723 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72033&oldid=72029 5* 03Emerald 5* (-2) 10Fixed cat and made more compact
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< 1589161293 770396 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay, what exactly does the + symbol do in esowar? Does it choose a random symbol from the available symbols, or does it increment the symbol, then make it modulo 7?
< 1589161322 140298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: the latter
< 1589161346 417821 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, the latter
< 1589161355 32676 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if I increment ] which is 6, it becomes r?
< 1589161412 805005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ] symbol becomes r."
< 1589161420 359496 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1589161435 939031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That quote is from the wiki page.)
< 1589161448 33060 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1589161529 50516 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would happen if I made a bot to sweep right, incrementing everything by one.
< 1589161599 244573 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably have about a fifty-fifty chance of victory.
> 1589161891 874715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72034&oldid=72033 5* 03Emerald 5* (+79) 10Added truth machine
< 1589162321 445762 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orbitaldecay, how many warriors are we allowed to submit?
< 1589162342 260957 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: feel free to add any creations to the wiki page too. No limit.
< 1589162364 29436 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... this will be interesting, as I am about to submit my first one.
< 1589162418 279900 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool!
< 1589162532 938856 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the debugger to test ideas too
< 1589162554 536189 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty helpful
< 1589162568 910055 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Thanks!
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< 1589163413 376533 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay, do we need a + at the start, so that the r our program starts on becomes a d?
< 1589163434 464920 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so loops can happen. For example, the program [>+] does nothing, right?
< 1589163525 515239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on where your agent starts
< 1589163547 647375 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend you play with the interpretter to test ideas. The only way to guarantee a cell is not r is [+] followed by a certain number of +
< 1589163549 766820 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say that it starts on an r, since that is overwhelmingly more likely than the reverse.
< 1589163553 416025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, I forgot whether it can be placed on top of a program.)
< 1589163581 122138 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, orbitaldecay!
< 1589163595 735276 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :The robot can start on a program, butprobably won't
< 1589163598 801422 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Np
< 1589163604 499481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: you can do +[>+] to get the look started with higher probability.
< 1589163620 230299 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I noticed that program too.
< 1589163656 316971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do things like [[>+]+]+[[>+]+]
< 1589163683 948384 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that do?
< 1589163700 593507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just tries harder to keep going
< 1589163769 286480 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, when a loop is skipped or exited, it does another increment and tries again.
< 1589163782 653256 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1589163796 686347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that can be simplified slightly: [>+]+[[>+]+]
< 1589163858 572829 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the first [>+] ever terminate, or does it just plough forwards until it reaches an r?
< 1589163867 29769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then there's loop unrolling to move a bit faster. stuff like [>+>+>+>+]. Oh well.)
< 1589163882 81170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...if you incrment a ] then the result is r...
< 1589163975 880755 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try and make a program that flies right until it hits a ], then moves left and destroys everything it can find until it hits an r.
< 1589164138 536669 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bot "griefer" does slightly better than chance.
< 1589164214 878539 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:417b:90f8:1834:45d0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1589164223 844728 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "wiper" scores worse than chance.
< 1589164472 837861 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:417b:90f8:1834:45d0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1589165117 845633 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the frustrating points of this language that I'm writing are that the source code itself is the eventual, actual interpreted code.
< 1589165159 92848 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :an attempt at a map pattern... `define [map] [ldup rshift lswap rshift pop rshift rflatten append lswap map]`
< 1589165181 486116 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had separation between the two, that'd probably be more entertaining and/or useful.
< 1589165380 479296 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe it. Slightlyfastersweeper got a score of 5 wins, 1 loss and no ties.
< 1589165621 420814 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my bot baseDetector royally sucks.
< 1589165652 403980 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay, is there a way that you could remove baseDetector from the esowar? it's lost all of its matches.
< 1589165758 318244 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, it is an interesting variable to have a bot like baseDetector. It's only purpose is to break other stuff.
< 1589166000 584756 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped.
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< 1589166417 790118 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: I can remove bots, but don't worry too much about it
< 1589166472 175921 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I've found the bug in BaseDetector, but I'll refrain from submitting any more bots.
< 1589166517 19165 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently just the two of us, right?
< 1589166605 67100 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry about submitting too many. Just the two of us for now.
< 1589166617 126860 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1589166642 976067 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some ideas I'm going to work on tomorrow
< 1589166699 914418 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to work on my esolang tonight.
< 1589166703 364353 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightlyfastersweeper is doing really well
< 1589166710 495820 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, really really oddly well.
< 1589166719 278832 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1589166775 706493 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could optimise it further, but it's just a proof of concept at this point. The 10,000 character limit puts an upper limit on all fasterSweeper class bots.
< 1589166857 352439 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+]+[ is 5 bytes at the start, and ] is 1 at the end. This leaves us with room for 1998 repeats of >[+]+.
< 1589166872 556701 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the upper bound of that class.
< 1589167088 523431 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I submit that as FastestSweeper?
< 1589167423 810146 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know how Griefer got any wins.
< 1589167470 325046 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:417b:90f8:1834:45d0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1589167668 33204 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it just randomly, occasionally, purely by chance, finds the opponent's base and wipes it out.
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< 1589169444 80968 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay, could you please remove wiper, griefer and baseDetector from the game? they are glitchy, and I don't think they're needed anymore
< 1589169976 118242 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'll clean it up tomorrow
< 1589169984 506397 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1589169996 832359 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :And could you also remove FastestSweeper?
< 1589170525 492912 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, remove all of my bots.
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< 1589171155 757328 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a esolang be made from a hydra game? It must terminate, but this cannot be proven by Peano arithmetic.
< 1589172465 630004 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orby, can you just delete all of my bots?
< 1589172591 729090 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec, fixing
< 1589173437 626865 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: deleted
< 1589173453 878405 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks man!
< 1589173460 416858 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :And site is back up
< 1589173471 255540 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :But stats are reset
< 1589173488 882379 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still working out bugs in the site
< 1589173494 233965 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bot's aren't removed...?
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< 1589174177 206976 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want shield bot removed too?
< 1589174195 470770 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, yes please. It's a bit buggy, and I'll resubmit it later.
< 1589174201 837467 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1589174230 144311 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we're just going back to good ol' sweeper, null and smart sweeper I guess.
< 1589174232 837187 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:417b:90f8:1834:45d0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1589174572 443537 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, reset
< 1589174591 218327 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, submitting shieldy boy now.
< 1589174600 632596 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet
< 1589174640 918133 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's designed to beat sweepers.
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< 1589176992 139159 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote this: http://sprunge.us/0sQzzh
< 1589177128 970248 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
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< 1589179160 408229 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added suicideBot, a bot that attempts to make the other user suicide on their own code.
< 1589179249 371484 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, imma work on my esolang now.
< 1589179258 370524 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we could make a 2d esowar.
< 1589179376 415450 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost ready for input in my esolang.
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> 1589180845 601708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Simple translation conjecture14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72035&oldid=71938 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+5465) 10correcting myself on end-of-strings and  + Finite-state transducers are great!
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< 1589184522 160004 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I've convinced myself that ε can't be used to represent an end-of-string like I was trying for. I've reformulated my machine idea using your suggested α + ω notation, but I don't really have an argument for what α and ω are in reality.
< 1589184604 26556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( losing faith )
< 1589184608 995516 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: reading up on and using finite-state transducers to model simple translation ideas was really helpful. thanks! 
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< 1589184686 85962 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :faith in?
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< 1589184746 659526 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: just an idea: submitting a bot could provide people with a key that can be used to remove (or possibly update) it?
< 1589184901 565857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: faith was just an association with alpha and omega
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< 1589185138 216963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, a deadly shark attack makes the news... why do shark attacks make the news...
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< 1589185206 219628 :Antebrationist!ca9a83a4@202-154-131-164.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the coolest form of flow control you've ever seen in an esolang?
< 1589185364 850334 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great question
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< 1589185543 921192 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnn't count as eso but the fact you can do control with just lambda is pretty incredible, and continuations are also a fascinating control flow mechanism like in unlambda
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< 1589185548 586529 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, of course, that makes sense. I was wondering if there was a better or existing terms for those concepts, but I've been working those symbols so much over the weekend I've normalised them and missed the other connonations
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< 1589189761 810220 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't looked closely at Esowar but had assumed it was 2D, had to look again based on the comment above. 2D would be interesting.
< 1589189864 696594 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fungewars is an existing wiki page, it's not clear whether there is a consistent spec or there are simply various implementation attempts of a 2d corewars concept
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> 1589200534 301145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72054&oldid=70986 5* 03CMinusMinus 5* (+22) 10/* Partially Silly Ideas */
> 1589200819 549639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03CMinusMinus 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:6969asm.png10]]"
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> 1589200957 281629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03InfiniteDonuts 5*  10moved [[02DotSlash10]] to [[0587]]: Changed the name
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> 1589201941 696421 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72062&oldid=72034 5* 03Emerald 5* (+7) 10Fixed truth machine
< 1589203046 206462 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's a good idea. 
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< 1589203087 95191 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: Okay, I don't have an argument for what alpha and omega are in reality either, but omega seems to coincide with a symbol that tells the interpreter there are no more symbols
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< 1589203484 781761 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> The work of Rips, Ol'shanskii, Birget and Sapir[16][17] explored the connections between Dehn functions and time complexity functions of Turing machines and showed that an arbitrary "reasonable" time function can be realized (up to appropriate equivalence) as the Dehn function of some finitely presented group.
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< 1589203919 361970 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone make a Quine in my esoteric language?
< 1589204230 96135 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link if you are in for making a Quine: Dig - Esolang
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< 1589204301 268715 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction on link: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Dig
< 1589204720 146138 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I’ll just try 99 bottles.
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> 1589206542 663683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PAC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72071&oldid=70955 5* 03CMinusMinus 5* (-64) 10/* Guest List */
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< 1589208376 808253 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some help on making a program in my programming language, any help?
< 1589208386 672283 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code:
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> 1589210421 523965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainflop14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72078&oldid=72068 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10see [[miniBrainflop]]
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> 1589212915 130004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HydraLoop14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72085 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+2082) 10Created page with "[[Category:Languages]][[Category:2020]]  Variable names can be any sequence of ASCII letters, numbers, underscores. Variable names are case-sensitive.  Comments start with <tt..."
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> 1589214362 982773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72089&oldid=72027 5* 03Orby 5* (-22) 10Minor rule adjustment to shorten games
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> 1589218025 617396 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang Playground14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72090 5* 03InfiniteDonuts 5* (+345) 10Created page with "The '''Esolang Playground''' is the unofficial IDE of Esolang. It is created by [[user:InfiniteDonuts]].  Currently, the IDE only supports 4 languages: [[L]], [[brainflop]], [..."
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> 1589223446 184956 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72096&oldid=72095 5* 03InfiniteDonuts 5* (+84) 10/* 0587 */
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> 1589226951 679188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03DimensionDoors 5*  10New user account
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> 1589228282 993311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Binary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72106 5* 03DimensionDoors 5* (+320) 10Created page with "===Binary=== ==Credits== This language is made by [[DimensionDoors|DimensionDoors]] It is his first one. '''Yay!''' ==Syntax== The only characters are 0 and 1. ''(Obviously!)'..."
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< 1589230933 853812 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the function that has a number of nested "repeat X times" loops equal to the initial value of X, and the inside of the innermost loop is to increment X?
< 1589231433 238374 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the Ackermann function?
< 1589231487 964464 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it's tetration or something
< 1589231521 955865 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This function has only one input though, and one output.
< 1589231566 27534 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right.
< 1589231580 2755 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, f(3) would be calculated like...
< 1589231586 590130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that just be 1, 2*2, 3*3*3, 4*4*4*4, aka X^X? Well, maybe I thought it too fast.
< 1589231633 123814 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_1 = x; repeat(x_1) { x_2 = x; repeat(x_2) { x_3 = x; repeat (x_3) { x = x + 1; } } } return x;
< 1589231685 894115 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I forgot to put x = 3; at the beginning of that.
< 1589231690 968568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's "repeat X times" with the new value of X? 
< 1589231697 318590 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. That's a very interesting function.
< 1589231697 697728 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes.
< 1589231701 387973 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the new value of X.
< 1589231713 550740 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at the time each loop is entered)
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< 1589231759 937368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my default procedure for figuring out what that is would be to evaluate the first few values and feed it to OEIS. :)
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< 1589232764 9872 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, what does it do with 0? There are 0 nested loops, so really we just have "increment X", so f(0) = 1.
< 1589232812 285892 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 1, we start with X = 1 and then do the following 1 time: increment X. So you get 2.
< 1589232837 542059 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 2, we start with X = 2 and then do the following 2 times: do the following X times: increment X.
< 1589232858 715802 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do the following X times: increment X" means double X, so this amounts to starting with X = 2 and doing the following 2 times: double X.
< 1589232865 115444 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :So f(2) = 8.
< 1589232885 94576 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(0) = 1, f(1) = 2, f(2) = 8.
< 1589232902 69828 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 3, we start with X = 3 and then do the following 3 times: do the following X times: do the following X times: increment X.
< 1589232905 21531 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words...
< 1589232921 98789 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with X = 3 and then do the following 3 times: do the following X times: double X.
< 1589232930 110983 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words...
< 1589232956 345874 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with X = 3 and then do the following 3 times: set X to X * 2^X.
< 1589233066 307170 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so we start with 3, and after the first step we have 3 * 2^3 = 24, then after the second step we have 24 * 2^24 = 402653184, then after the third and final step we have 402653184 * 2^402653184 = ...
< 1589233070 313975 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what that comes out to.
< 1589233127 803188 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is probably too big, I suppose.
< 1589233722 363946 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, that number is, of course, 3 * 2^3 * 2^24 * 2^402653184, meaning it's 3 * 2^402653211, meaning its binary representation is "11" followed by 402653211 "0"s.
< 1589233832 623443 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you made me write that as a string of bytes, I'd write it as 00000000 00000000 00000000 ... 00000000 00011000, where there are 50331651 "00000000" bytes.
< 1589233861 953396 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that number as a file would be a 50,331,652 byte file, but one which would compress very well.
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< 1589235744 21657 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :In completely unrelated news, anyone want to talk about sliced tangle diagrams?
< 1589235808 763611 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of years ago, I came up with a notation for writing knots, links and tangles, and some rules for manipulating this notation.
< 1589235836 961693 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I figured that the notation is probably something that would be kind of obvious to a knot theorist, so surely someone's already invented it.
< 1589235857 388408 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, someone has. The notations are called sliced tangle diagrams.
< 1589235858 12347 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that notation? I don't know of knot theory, but maybe someone else does know
< 1589235870 744853 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, is there a Wikipedia article about that?
< 1589235877 104096 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it.
< 1589235964 628731 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine you have a box with zero or more holes arranged in a row in the top and zero or more holes arranged in a row in the bottom.
< 1589235987 952858 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :The box is filled with zero or more strings. Each string either forms a closed loop, or exits the box through exactly two of the holes.
< 1589235992 826842 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each hole has exactly one string exiting the box through it.
< 1589235997 300888 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a box is called a tangle.
< 1589236046 780864 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are five "elementary tangles". They are...
< 1589236071 308950 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, which represents a box with a hole in the top and in the bottom, and a string running straight from the top hole to the bottom hole
< 1589236087 914333 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, which represents a box with two holes in the bottom and a string connecting them in the most straightforward manner
< 1589236100 632459 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :V, which is the vertical mirror image of A
< 1589236147 241461 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z, which represents a box with two holes in the top and two holes in the bottom, and a string going straight from each hole to the diagonally opposite hole, where the string connecting top-right to bottom-left passes in front of the string connecting top-left to bottom-right
< 1589236171 988539 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :N, which is the mirror image (about any of the 3 coordinate planes) of Z
< 1589236210 528874 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boxes can be stacked horizontally and vertically. However, two boxes can only be stacked vertically if the number of holes in the bottom of the upper box equals the number of holes in the top of the lower box.
< 1589236285 459054 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1589236293 859170 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's it. Any knot, link or tangle can be written using these five elementary tangles and the two stacking operations.
< 1589236382 5679 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, suppose we denote horizontal stacking with juxtaposition and vertical stacking with a slash.
< 1589236440 744166 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that seem like OK to me
< 1589236459 94041 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :A/V is the unknot. AA/VV is two unknots. AA/IIII/VV is two unknots that have been drawn somewhat taller. AA/IZI/VV is an unknot drawn with a crossing.
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< 1589236513 122343 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :AA/IZI/IZI/VV is the Hopf link, and AA/IZI/IZI/IZI/VV is a trefoil knot.
< 1589236567 781499 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1589236582 939504 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if all this is making sense.
< 1589236597 79476 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does make sense.
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< 1589244656 721172 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (-2,3,7) pretzel knot is A/IAAI/(N/N)(Z/Z/Z)(Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z)/IVVI/V.
< 1589244717 421628 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trefoil knot is the (3,0) pretzel knot, so it's A/IAI/(Z/Z/Z)II/IVI/V.
< 1589244741 533536 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, it's just AA/I(Z/Z/Z)I/VV.
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< 1589249232 99049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1589249232 179714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 120150Z AUTO 09005KT 050V120 9999 -RA FEW018 SCT022 BKN030 05/03 Q1012
< 1589249249 84481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that is kind of cold...
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< 1589250444 524170 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the other question about the function I mentioned before: Which other functions is it faster than and slower than?
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< 1589251347 247221 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is its Grzegorczyk index?)
< 1589251469 222800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suspect that it grows as tetration
< 1589251479 514917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not certain
< 1589251497 867391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1589251501 163675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your function exaclty?
< 1589251537 509659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1589251562 818844 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a number of nested "repeat X times" loops, nested X times, with the inside being "increment X".
< 1589251615 312827 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A function that does grow as tetration presumably has a Grzegorczyk index of 4, I think.
< 1589251911 853497 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you define your function more precisely? because I don't understand what you want the loops to do
< 1589251917 838696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds vaguely ackermann-like
< 1589251937 793128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the nesting level of the loops as the first argument)
< 1589252236 237787 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I am not sure how to explain it better, right now
< 1589252292 775374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is, one can define the Ackermann function as a kind of function iteration: A_0(x) = x+1; A_n(x) = A_(n-1)^x(1)... and I believe that loop function is L_0(x) = x+1; L_(n+1)(x) = L_n^x(x) which is very similar.
< 1589252410 186736 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
< 1589252786 440372 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe its Grzegorczyk index is omega.
< 1589252864 950588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, n is the nesting level of loops which is fixed.
< 1589252882 767085 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what you get is always primitve recursive.
< 1589252951 290243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually each additional level of loops will push you up 1 level in the Grzegorczyk hierarchy... the trouble will be figuring out where that starts.
< 1589252989 849308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not even hard... but I can't be bothered.
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< 1589253258 368450 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although the nesting level depends on the input
< 1589253280 159078 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a perfect fit, L_n is in E^n but not in E^{n-1}. The first part is easy to prove; the second one... I don't know how.
< 1589253318 804967 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that wasn't clear from your description half an hour ago (I didn't check further back)
< 1589253372 435424 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The nesting level is equal to the input.)
< 1589253389 486680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the initial value of X was the input...
< 1589253421 3742 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is, but the initial value of X is also the same as the nesting level.
< 1589253488 869358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, L_x(x), similar to A_x(x). Maybe one can prove that A_x(x) <= L_x(x) <= A_x(x+1) for all x?
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< 1589253586 390320 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe, although I don't know the proof.
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< 1589268110 800703 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing the bad AI does in Pokemon Card GB2 is even if they have level 68 Zapdos and the only card on your side is level 28 Mr.Mime, they will still attack.
< 1589268125 262348 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The AI will also often do many other things when it is probably better to stall.)
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< 1589271995 774700 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a idea about a trainer card to make in a Pokemon card game: Look in opponent's hand, and then you may select one of those cards. If you did, then your turn is now finished, but opponent must play the selected card as soon as possible; if they don't, then they can't attack, but this effect still ends at the end of their turn.
< 1589272113 330876 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it is card they can use in more than one way, such as a energy, or a potion, or a evolution that they have multiple cards in play that it matches, then they can still decide for themself which way they wish to do it.)
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< 1589305953 916126 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that without variables isn't particularly tricky but it does get involved.
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< 1589322159 941053 :gord!~gordo@2001:bb6:3b72:9758:e446:6007:a09b:cdee PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric add your birth date year plus your age and or everyone it equals 2020,  happy birthday world
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< 1589322480 495845 :Antebrationist!ca9a868a@202-154-134-138.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay, inspired by your esowar, I made a 2d version with my esolang, Eldritch.
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> 1589323843 632206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Simple translation conjecture14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72177&oldid=72035 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2612) 10Simple translation of BCT into Python
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< 1589326871 351871 :Antebrationist!ca9a868a@202-154-134-138.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I made a two-player version of Eldritch, inspired by orbitaldecay's version
< 1589326981 111897 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, make the esolang wiki add the description about the two player version also
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< 1589327310 333929 :Antebrationist!ca9a868a@202-154-134-138.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright.
< 1589327574 165247 :Antebrationist!ca9a868a@202-154-134-138.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I made d (output) into a NOP, and made it so that if each player's original instruction pointer passed over an !, then the other player would win.
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< 1589327610 25942 :Antebrationist!ca9a868a@202-154-134-138.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found that shielding your program with walls of ÿ to be surprisingly effective.
< 1589329197 987168 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: cool! i'll check it out!
< 1589329225 543269 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is salpynx around?
< 1589329410 282576 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I'm pinging everyone, int-e I had a thought today about treating reversible bitfuck as a group, which reduces the picofuck problem to that of finding a generating set of order 2
< 1589329428 458812 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that makes sense?
< 1589330296 553457 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thinki it is worth trying it, I suppose.
< 1589330296 902934 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that will work or not, but you can try.
< 1589330296 977705 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm planning on it
< 1589330297 15704 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1589330297 53655 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for algorithms to find the minimal generating set of a group
< 1589330311 347191 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gets tricky for infinite groups
< 1589330393 101428 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would suppose so.
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> 1589334484 929990 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RocketRace14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72179 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+181) 10Short summary.
> 1589334568 253106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RocketRace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72180&oldid=72179 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+84) 10Discord
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< 1589335402 669222 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1589335545 92641 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1589335566 207788 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: rain1 shared a link here to Dehn functions, which got me investigating groups too
< 1589335620 551884 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, I misread timestamps on the logs, I thought orbitaldecay was just here
< 1589336192 921404 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a qn.: if <*,{,}|∅> is the free group on the nanofuck alphabet, how would you define the group of syntactically valid nanofuck using similar notation <*,{,}|R> where the relations R represent the CFG S → SS | ε | * | {S} ?
< 1589336247 108923 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this even make sense, or am I mixing oil and water?
> 1589336309 868068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Psyche14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72181 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+513) 10I will not apologise.
> 1589336393 637566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72182&oldid=72113 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+13) 10/* P */ + Psyche, a mapping of SKI onto the Freudian trichotomy of the mind.
> 1589336474 742877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:IFcoltransG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72183&oldid=70727 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+136) 10/* Published Esoteric Languages */ + Psyche
> 1589336531 230574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Simple translation conjecture14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72184&oldid=72177 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-1) 10typo
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< 1589338943 586627 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I understand the last part at least.
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> 1589343868 39883 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Simple translation conjecture14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72185&oldid=72184 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2903) 10at this point I just want to make a time-cube joke at my own expense... this all needs filtering down and editing <sigh>
< 1589344188 955559 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a kind of picture compression for multiple versions of a picture at different resolutions?
> 1589345343 210981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Simple translation conjecture14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72186&oldid=72185 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+387) 10/* Conclusion WRT 's significance for simple translations */ summing up attempt
< 1589346171 623571 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice... got an interpreter off the ground.
< 1589346177 742441 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop woop.
< 1589346191 134674 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS .ico and Amiga icon files come to mind as containers for multiple images, but that's not compression. Googling "multiresolution compression" returns summaries of inaccessible academic papers that cover the idea in theory
< 1589346404 83103 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm wrong about Amiga icons being multi-res
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< 1589349271 364992 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop woop.
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> 1589364204 93258 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Casino14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72188&oldid=72168 5* 03Ais523 5* (+106) 10/* Language Overview */ fix spec to match impl; the spec couldn't possibly be correct because its "RNG" alternated between two different values, I think the author confused the seeding operation with the next-integer operation
> 1589364605 201423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72189&oldid=72140 5* 03Emerald 5* (+67) 10/* Underground */
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> 1589365247 454723 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Casino14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72190&oldid=72188 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2382) 10TC with bignum cells
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> 1589370642 203031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:InfiniteDonuts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72192&oldid=72176 5* 03InfiniteDonuts 5* (+71) 10
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< 1589371128 187871 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: I think that we can just work with  <*,{,}|∅> because unmatched parentheses can always be given a meaning rather than it being syntactically invalid
> 1589371135 425418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CLC-INTERCAL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72193&oldid=20042 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10
> 1589371393 583176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aeolbonn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72194&oldid=68989 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* External resources */ it says in the description
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> 1589373101 795661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72195&oldid=71904 5* 03Orby 5* (+122) 10
> 1589373180 247743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72196&oldid=72195 5* 03Orby 5* (+114) 10/* Group formulation */ Adding links
< 1589373375 889559 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiellow
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< 1589373507 585346 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I think reversible bitfuck has the group presentation <a,b,c|a^2> and the PF problem can be reduced to the question, what is the rank of <a,b,c|a^2>?
< 1589373543 250446 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we reformulate rbf s.t. unmatched parentheses have some simple meaning
> 1589374614 471101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72197&oldid=71885 5* 03Orby 5* (+278) 10/* Minimization */
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< 1589376492 958566 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: woah how did this connection with group theor come about?
< 1589376534 291545 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking about how rbf is basically a group and that the minimization problem is essentially asking what the rank of that group is
< 1589376551 732078 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a more general setting, the minimization problem is asking what the rank of a monoid is
< 1589376554 239561 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is super interesting
< 1589376560 10693 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been learning about group theory
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< 1589376583 835590 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus
< 1589376658 195522 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :another bonus from thinking of rbf as a group is that we know rbf is non-abelian, so rank(<a,b,c|a^2>) > 1
< 1589376664 993806 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if PF exists, it is minimal
< 1589376688 499164 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higman%27s_embedding_theorem
< 1589376722 608050 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation_of_a_group#Novikov%E2%80%93Boone_theorem
< 1589376811 321675 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the same pages
< 1589376825 421986 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_representation is interesting too
< 1589376856 566481 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to think about this but im a bit preoccupied
< 1589376872 129893 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the full group presentation would include a very complex set of relations
< 1589376886 612980 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully explaining how every command interacts with each other
< 1589376914 473821 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this connection could be very fruitful though, group homomorphism preserve a bunch of things
< 1589376937 980148 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if any one of these things can be calculated for NF and PF and are different this would prove they cannot be simply translated
< 1589376955 478581 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can always start with a less structured presentation and add structure as required
< 1589376994 999344 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :<a,b,c|a^2> basically captures rbf. There are some other things that boil down to the identity like (+) etc. but it's not important if they're missed
< 1589377007 720526 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure you are right but i don't yet understand that idea
< 1589377033 284262 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong haha
< 1589377048 271559 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end of the day, we will know if we've found pf because the translation will work
< 1589377088 762840 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just made me realize something important
< 1589377095 286581 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1589377105 386601 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if reversible languages are groups, maybe that's why semigroups are used to study turing machines
< 1589377138 758584 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
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> 1589380475 698475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72203&oldid=72202 5* 03Orby 5* (+7) 10/* Group formulation */
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> 1589381082 534863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72205&oldid=72201 5* 03Orby 5* (+5) 10/* Minimization */
> 1589381322 772601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72206&oldid=72204 5* 03Orby 5* (+19) 10/* Group formulation */
> 1589382637 27069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72207&oldid=72205 5* 03Orby 5* (+2) 10/* Minimization */
> 1589382674 21860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72208&oldid=72207 5* 03Orby 5* (+35) 10/* Minimization */
> 1589384565 177683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72209&oldid=72208 5* 03Orby 5* (+733) 10
> 1589384641 435191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72210&oldid=72209 5* 03Orby 5* (+22) 10/* Thinking in terms of monoids */
> 1589384899 787578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72211&oldid=72210 5* 03Orby 5* (+72) 10/* Thinking in terms of monoids */
> 1589385044 590090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72212&oldid=72211 5* 03Orby 5* (+14) 10/* Minimization */
< 1589385713 558001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just unironically sorted a table on seven key fields. And I think none of the seven are redundant.
< 1589385792 25756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's an outer merge result, and the seventh key discriminates only the two rows from the right join part.
< 1589385810 810404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/outer merge/outer join/
< 1589386019 863267 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the first table of that outer join is also a left join, which accounts for one more sort key
> 1589386936 495535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72213&oldid=72212 5* 03Orby 5* (+133) 10/* Thinking in terms of monoids */
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> 1589387334 385240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esofun14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72214 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+9526) 10Initial specification draft
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< 1589387376 285448 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on my first (decent) esoteric language
< 1589387397 845507 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any opinions on the draft? esowiki bot should have mentioned it above
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> 1589387908 767251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esofun14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72215&oldid=72214 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+0) 104.1.a refers to integers, not nil
> 1589388199 154868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Nobody14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72216&oldid=56536 5* 03Nobody 5* (+25) 10
> 1589388406 837427 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72217&oldid=72213 5* 03Orby 5* (+1303) 10/* Thinking in terms of monoids */
< 1589388428 686671 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: doesn't asmbf count?
< 1589388440 785687 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, I forgot about t his one
< 1589388449 709633 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a kinda compiler of some sort to brainfuck
< 1589388454 432164 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the abstraction isn't really this creative 
> 1589388458 915413 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72218&oldid=72217 5* 03Orby 5* (+2) 10/* Rank of monoid */
< 1589388530 533363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it counts, unless you used it for production to write programs for a casino or something
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< 1589388608 604470 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't worry, for many people, the first esolang they create is a toy language that's much more silly than asmbf
< 1589388617 180181 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1589388628 505758 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, asm2bf wasn't meant to be this silly lol
< 1589388722 603045 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? casino
< 1589388727 545649 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :casino? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1589388756 901601 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't this shrug face change?
< 1589388763 171231 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear it used to be different before
< 1589388898 436468 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it's the either the unfinished toy language geo that I made for a univ course (you can tell it's unfinished: the name is geo becauase I wanted to add some geometry-related stuff like vector operations), or the really horribly unusable broken komalpsz language which may or may not be esoteric
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< 1589388986 203931 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1589389024 967 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :greets
> 1589389101 97621 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72219&oldid=72218 5* 03Orby 5* (+489) 10
> 1589389445 749384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF instruction minimalization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72220&oldid=68790 5* 03Orby 5* (+371) 10/* Formalizing requirements */
< 1589389513 417805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably make a wiki article about komalpsz, just as a bad example you shoud avoid
< 1589389592 394565 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you consider it bad
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< 1589389784 728682 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: ask me again later if I don't get Back to that
< 1589389792 385277 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm, sure
> 1589389813 597076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72221&oldid=72219 5* 03Orby 5* (+24) 10/* Thinking in terms of monoids */ No longer overloading A for everything
> 1589389888 819468 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72222&oldid=72221 5* 03Orby 5* (+0) 10/* Rank of monoid */
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< 1589390105 652456 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey rain1, check out the simple translation page
> 1589390105 969836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72223&oldid=72167 5* 03Emerald 5* (+140) 10Regret
< 1589390108 718936 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :full of new goodies
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< 1589391314 747483 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kspalaiologos> any opinions on the draft? esowiki bot should have mentioned it above => please forgive me but I think the description is even harder to wrap one’s head about than with descriptions of my esolangs :) though I can definitely see a couple of alike typos in 8.1.b…8.1.j (7.1.a, 7.1.b are mentioned but probably 8.1.a, 8.1.b should be there instead)
< 1589391346 128511 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d say a couple of examples would make the deal way easier
< 1589391353 534419 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes I forgot
< 1589391370 466785 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I’m myself bad with examples BTW)
> 1589391371 795988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esofun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72225&oldid=72215 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+0) 10
< 1589391387 909854 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec is confusing
< 1589391391 775134 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the language isn't inished yet
< 1589391400 861250 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: also, voyad is a cool word, thanks
< 1589391407 821628 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least 30 ways a `+' operator can behave
< 1589391411 922803 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the current context
< 1589391416 262102 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1589391435 174990 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately this language will be harder than Malbolge, but also way cleaner
< 1589391440 461374 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and way more advanced
< 1589391475 613424 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you wrote you’d like to break another unprogrammable language, do you make this one so that there would be something new to break?)
< 1589391478 462673 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1589391494 46885 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I wrote the question you’ve already answered it
< 1589391496 260726 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, obviously :d
< 1589391512 172048 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd love to see bigger programs in it
< 1589391523 995171 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt someone would decide to take his time trying to work out... this
< 1589391573 630652 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how hard it is to design such a language?.. If that’s not too hard, I’d try to make something and see how fast you’re going to crack it, it might be fun
< 1589391628 652829 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though making the language cleaner would make the task harder
< 1589391638 504216 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, well, you need to actually ensure that the draft is consistent
< 1589391672 81057 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not consistent and there is a slight chance some behavior is inconsistent, then I'm most probably not touching it
< 1589391689 510035 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I already put a lot of work into the draft lol
< 1589391693 5321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now I try to write some parsing stuff in Python but later maybe I’ll try a thing or other
< 1589391696 136422 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been writing it and pondering for around 2 hours
< 1589391714 311399 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I forgot about something
< 1589391720 208170 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there my Malbolge self interpreter linked on my user page
< 1589391744 420892 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kspalaiologos> if it's not consistent and there is a slight chance some behavior is inconsistent, then I'm most probably not touching it => yeah I like my descriptions be consistent. They should clearly define if something does something or is it an UB if it’s chosen so
> 1589391811 322661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Palaiologos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72226&oldid=70870 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+126) 10
< 1589391822 148907 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway have a good time with this language. I’ll maybe try to understand a later draft
< 1589391867 148282 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, thanks
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< 1589391879 304621 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the draft in my predictions will grow massively
< 1589391896 187438 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the list of adverbs or verbs for instance - there can be up to 512 of them
< 1589391903 922815 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I want to make my language fullfill the design goals
< 1589391912 505591 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that i missed some discussion regarding palaiologos' lang
< 1589391925 543725 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to design 256 monadic, 256 niladic, 256 voyadic, 256 dyadic verbs and 256 adverbs
< 1589391947 161489 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and none of them should be no-ops?
< 1589391962 883859 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on adding one eaisly accessible no-op
< 1589392042 276827 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ideas include adding a verb related to generating stuff with mersenne twister (lmao)
< 1589392050 397914 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :packing data, primitive compression
< 1589392067 853987 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real hell will be implementing all of this, lol
< 1589392090 16071 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a draft it's always more enjoyable
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> 1589394208 174265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72228&oldid=69536 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-1264) 10Replaced content with "==Favorite Esolang== I have many esolangs that I really like, probably my favorite is False and BitBitJump."
> 1589395621 911374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Palaiologos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72229&oldid=72226 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+79) 10
> 1589396065 167095 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esofun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72230&oldid=72225 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+2353) 10div/mul operators
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< 1589397029 994072 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :palaiologos this thing is looking well currently
> 1589397137 195973 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Artemis14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72231 5* 03Orby 5* (+2319) 10Creating Artemis
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< 1589411339 637184 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: you there?
> 1589411350 277352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Simple translation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72250&oldid=71834 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+3579) 10Explanation of deferred parsing tricks WRT simple-translations
< 1589411392 888215 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: yes, just finished typing up my latest thoughts on my ST tricks -- hopefully they make some kind of sense!
< 1589411418 960472 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! reading now. I also made a lot of progress today as recorded on the simple translation page.
< 1589411703 562577 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, interesting. Need some time to digest that. I realized today that, for concatenative languages like bf-alikes, the minimization problem is essentially determining the rank of the monoid which is formed by the language
< 1589411728 939154 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which a lot of work has been done
< 1589411745 954016 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the special case of rbf, that monoid is actually a group, and finding the rank of a group is even easier
< 1589411853 859805 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to keep reading up on groups -- I may have overlooked the significance of the 'reversible' part of RBF when it comes to groups too. I think you implied that it was significant?
< 1589411896 356036 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groups are pretty straightforward to understand. It's a set with a binary operator that is associative, there's an identity, and every element has an inverse
< 1589411960 677484 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of rbf, the binary operator is concatenation, the empty string is the identity, and the inverses go *: self inverse, >:<, (:)
< 1589412002 955444 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't totally nail it because there's more structure than that, but the rbf monoid is a quotient of that group
< 1589412031 488437 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rank is just the cardinality of the smallest generating set, i.e. the smallest set of operators that can be combined to form any program
< 1589412050 622823 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank is obviously <= 3 due to nanofuck
< 1589412096 216478 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I hadn't focused on determining the specific inverses, that helps. 
< 1589412126 380123 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, once you identify the inverses then the simple translation problem can be viewed as a problem of group presentation
< 1589412143 269753 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation_of_a_group
< 1589412203 548681 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, rank(<a,b,c|a^2=empty string>) >= rank(rbf) basically
< 1589412233 642315 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately rank(<a,b,c|a^2>) = 3, so it doesn't actually tighten the bound from what we already know
< 1589412259 135492 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was where I stalled, applying what I understood about groups specifically to the RBF and PF examples. I got the free group structure, but wasn't sure if we needed more detail in the relations
< 1589412288 363122 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally, simple translations of concatenative languages can be viewed as a problem of monoid presentation (a monoid is just a group that doesn't necessarily have inverses)
< 1589412319 706252 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the a^2 = e relation doesn't actually help, but it is true (a = *)
< 1589412498 947473 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation_of_a_monoid is a gold mine
< 1589412500 305512 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can put the investigation of simple-translation tricks behind me now. I feel like I understand why if PF is possible using 0 as a self-interpreter that is not as interesting a result as a more direct translation which you are aiming for. Now that I can separate the two approaches, it should be possible to prove whether a direct
< 1589412500 804661 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation or not.
< 1589412518 136552 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is possible
< 1589412556 104027 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think I have also made progress. I realize now that what I was trying to capture with the definition of a simple translation is really just the problem of determining the rank of the monoid of a concatenative language
< 1589412602 35902 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :which appears to be subtly different than the approach you've taken
< 1589412618 549012 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I'm satisfied with that framing of the problem
< 1589412622 193557 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for your help
< 1589412646 674825 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This group theory approach is interesting, and I'll try to catch up. I was reading a lot based on the link rain1 posted
< 1589412691 244869 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had assumed it was meant as a direct pointer to us looking into simple-translations because it seemed to fit so well, and was literally why I started on the group path the other day
< 1589412707 102874 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the crucial thing is understanding that a concatenative language is a monoid, and a reversible concatenative language is a group. Both of which have presentations, which are essentially what we are working with.
< 1589412739 144730 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I'm not so sure you meant that Dehn fn link for us, and it was just something interesting you had been reading? :)  Either way, thanks for the link!
< 1589412767 860601 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took a couple courses in group theory in school. I have forgotten pretty much everything except the definition and the elementary results, but there is a lot of rich structure.
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< 1589412815 492777 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3672804/minimal-generator-of-group?noredirect=1#comment7547744_3672804
< 1589412819 131328 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :last link ;)
< 1589412890 310657 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that stuff is really only applicable to concatenative languages. It just so happens that a lot of esolangs are concatenative.
< 1589412907 510055 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm teaching myself as I go. It's something I have wanted to learn more about for some time, but I find I need a concrete project or problem I care about to apply the new knowledge to before I can get or retain it 
< 1589412949 116567 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been looking for an application of group theory to esolangs for a while, so it's kind of ironic that I found out it's been hiding under my nose for years.
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< 1589413065 794752 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the concatenative aspect was something I thought was significant in my messy notes page on the wiki early on, I was struggling to articulate it and suspected my  definition of concatenative was non-standard. I'm glad the concepts are coming together 
< 1589413092 145974 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. it's exciting. this has opened up a whole new world of ideas to me.
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< 1589413151 780641 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I didn't get for the longest time, is that you can think about the strings of the language as the elements of the group and not worry about the semantics at all, that's how you can view rbf as a group and things like ( and ) as elements
< 1589413195 684829 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had tried to model bf +, -, <, > with linear operators before, but always got hung up when it came to the loop constructs
< 1589413232 62487 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, yeah I'm stoked
< 1589413261 222164 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for more concatenative programming languages. It appears most of them are stack based (for some reason), but bf is sort of accidentally concatenative
< 1589413268 268001 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think a lot of esolangs fall into this category
< 1589413368 31566 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that the majority of my efforts in esolangs were tending towards silly encodings, which at one level I knew were somewhat trivial, but there was a kernel of something I really wanted to understand. My latest efforts have been in trying to program using Godel numbers and mathematical functions to join them,;I think a stronger understanding
< 1589413368 530530 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of group theory will help me there
< 1589413401 152340 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hip are you to lambda calculus?
< 1589413405 907474 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something about the simple-translation concept that resonated with me there, but I'm still trying to put it all together
< 1589413445 148106 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :it so happens that unlambda also has a nice monoid structure
< 1589413582 563751 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1589413594 38857 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have really wanted to work more with Iota / Jot / and Zot (so I could use non-bf based Godel numbers), but I was struggling to program anything directly using lamdba calculus. Unlambda seemed the obvious gateway to those, but I haven't tried coding anything substantial in it yet 
< 1589413802 314588 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I diverted from picking up low level lambda calculus style languages and have been playing with Bitwise Cyclic-tag, specifically implementing an purely arithmetic version, and trying to figure out how to program usefully in it.
< 1589413841 920328 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... then simple-translations distracted me 
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< 1589419054 124343 :jonathanr!b8a0fcb1@modemcable177.252-160-184.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, does anyone used AlphaBeta before?
< 1589419324 434558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, doesn't look too interesting
< 1589419496 302693 :jonathanr!b8a0fcb1@modemcable177.252-160-184.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages did you use before?
< 1589419797 143921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used alpha-beta pruning before.
< 1589420073 621336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it help?
< 1589420293 586230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! It was great.
< 1589420302 820571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand PVS/Scout?
< 1589420317 450272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to improve my understanding of the whole null window search deal.
< 1589420345 649278 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't.
< 1589420459 510282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could barely expand PVS without looking it up. My first thought was what theorem provers have to do with all this.
< 1589420860 578180 :jonathanr!b8a0fcb1@modemcable177.252-160-184.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf How did you use Alpha Beta without the use of comments?
< 1589420903 896073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did rewrite my cellular automaton update function for Ponder This in assembly though, just for laughs... it ended up 20% faster than the corresponding C, which I think is decent nowadays.
< 1589420928 15717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you do some sort of fancy SIMD thing?
< 1589420930 793082 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In assembly langauge for what instruction set?
< 1589420930 897243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/1.2
< 1589420932 643809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8333333333333334
< 1589420936 419184 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no SIMD at all
< 1589420963 270982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that 16% faster...
< 1589420990 718457 :jonathanr!b8a0fcb1@modemcable177.252-160-184.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 and 2/3
< 1589421002 144228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jonathanr: it's not that precise
< 1589421008 874070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or accurate
< 1589421047 362053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 21/25.5
< 1589421049 500548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8235294117647058
< 1589421054 803673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25.5/21
< 1589421056 755607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.2142857142857142
< 1589421072 45071 :jonathanr!b8a0fcb1@modemcable177.252-160-184.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using fractions is more precise than decimal, unless I find a way to write ­­¯ over the numbers
< 1589421078 177753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are the approximate cycle counts)
< 1589421094 425627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did think about it but I don't think it'll pay off.
< 1589421133 386309 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The proper way to do SIMD is to move it to a GPU, which will be much slower for an individual update but make up for it by massive (compared to CPU) parallelization.
< 1589421153 617017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1589421189 878853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? where this = alpha-beta pruning
< 1589421200 55735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this
< 1589421202 313357 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this.
< 1589421349 38534 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The trouble is, 128 bit shifts are not a good fit for Intel's SIMD stuff. With x86_64 you have those cute shld/shrd instructions. To do that in SSE, you need to shift, then use the weird byte-wise shift on top, then shift in the other direction, and combine the results. And I think the CPU can issue twice as many integer operations as SSE instructions.
< 1589421395 569027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't try.
< 1589421454 999371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great how you use these tricks to do an exhaustive search of a game tree to depth 13 or however much.
< 1589421458 850468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a big tree.
< 1589421466 210922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gcc knows how to use the shld/shrd instructions, too. The speedup I have is mostly from better instruction scheduling... I save a few mov instructions as well, but those are essentially free.)
< 1589421520 203904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those modern CPUs are such beasts.
< 1589421646 264851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not %rax; or %rbx, %rax <-- as far as I understand it, this fuses into a single micro-op. My first instinct was to move the `not` instructions further up to get rid of a data dependency and stall... and that made the code slower.
< 1589421739 794314 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the way they do it so much, though. I like MMIX instruction set.
< 1589421744 762344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the CPU will reorder instructions on its own as well...
< 1589421774 806891 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs.
< 1589421787 113705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses MMIX though.
< 1589421853 819724 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the CPU" is an i7-6850K; I expect Ryzen does similar things. The low power models are less crazy. ARM as well, I suppose.
< 1589421867 579275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, ARM is less crazy as well, I suppose.)
< 1589421926 612674 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is not suitable hardware for MMIX made yet (other than a few FPGA stuff which is incomplete, as far as I know), although there are software implementations of MMIX that can measure the number of cycles.
< 1589422066 46688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH I have not even read the MMIX document, because I hardly see the point.
< 1589422162 946043 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think that it is a better instruction set than ARM and some other stuff. However, there is a few things I would have done differently, such as I would have explicit caching only and no implicit caching, and I would also have a "Muxcomp" operator.
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< 1589428273 888613 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irony; I just realised that I had been "incorrectly" thinking of RBF as a group but actually had the concept of monoid in mind. Turns out RBF _is_ a group and I was making two errors that happened to be the inverse of each other...
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< 1589438138 324983 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I think the rendering functions in TeXnicard are fully implemented (preview, render to RGB, and render to separations output format). However, typesetting is not yet implemented, and I may also want to add a few more effects for rendering.
< 1589438207 56958 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone will provide graphics for templates then I can make up the templates involving those graphics.
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< 1589466328 288138 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> The goal is to create a language hard enough so no usable program can be created with it in reasonable time
< 1589466330 418989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:90: error: parse error on input ‘in’
< 1589466331 256343 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a joke to you?
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< 1589467893 326670 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :topology is pointless, probability is free and logic is categorical
< 1589468062 916225 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.81.24.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe “topology is pointless, logic is categorical, only probability is free”
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< 1589477948 484044 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that is well and truly dead :p
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< 1589483677 167724 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: so about komalpsz. part of the problem is just that it may have been too ambitious a project for my weak skills back then, so I never finished it. I never even implemented function/subroutine calls, even though that would have made more programs runnable. I'm not sure I understood back then how to implement function calls with parameters and local variables in an interpreter.
< 1589483725 37219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the bigger problem is that there are parts where I kept modifying the source codes of psz programs to match the interpreter, rather than working harder to implement the syntax that the existing programs used.
< 1589483736 338693 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I had the sense to mark with comments where I modified the programs, but still.
< 1589483787 408329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, many psz programs are missing keywords to mark the end of if/while statements. However, they do always have newlines and indentation determine where each if/while ends, so I should have modified the parser to ignore those end keywords and look at the indentation.
< 1589483840 167576 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also didn't implement print statements that print literal strings and variables in the same statement, even though multiple psz programs use that, instead I just modified those statements in the programs. That's rather silly.
< 1589483876 782984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end there are only like five programs that the interpreter can actually run.
< 1589483903 302545 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coding style of the interpreter sucks, but then, so did the coding style of every program that I wrote back then.
< 1589483917 197115 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is psz
< 1589483958 155383 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It's an interpreter. (1) You don't want to know. (2) If you really want to know, "http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/psz-snapshot.tgz" .
< 1589484179 888061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because of this, I never really did anything with the results of the runs
< 1589484186 443195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the goal failed too
< 1589484206 356077 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :What even is this?
< 1589484258 316019 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks foreign language but not *extordinarily* esoteric
< 1589484407 27220 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: it's about KöMaL's mail-in programming competition between 2001-09 and 2003-01, to which the organizers released example solutions (after the deadline) in this nonsense language with no consistent syntax rules, 
< 1589484452 924275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because if they released solutions in a production language that people can just get a compiler for (like pascal or C; they did occasionally did that for a few tasks), anyone could run their example solution and see that it's broken.
< 1589484508 398401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided to try to run those example solutions again to see that they are indeed completely broken, darn the obfuscated language they're written it, and indeed found that at least the example solution for I.10. is broken.
< 1589484515 958667 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I never really got far with it.
< 1589484549 916851 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tasks and solutions are linked from https://www.komal.hu/verseny/korabbi.h.shtml with the relevant dates,
< 1589484563 429557 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :language barriers yay
< 1589484585 671068 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the tasks are also linked from https://www.komal.hu/verseny/korabbi.e.shtml in English translation
< 1589484605 608616 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solutions aren't, but at least the source codes for the solutions shouldn't require translation, even if the explanations do
< 1589484646 416885 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one of the early solutions that they released in Pascal is broken too by the way, which may have discouraged them from releasing real runnable programs
< 1589484702 11677 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't mean broken as in it has a few portability problems or it fails in some weird corner case, but that the program source code is entirely not powerful enough to do what the problem asked for
< 1589485303 157541 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :... eek.
< 1589485367 310470 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that this was back between 2001-09 and 2003-01. Me and everyone else were very young back then. And it's not like they had much money to pay to the college students that they roped in to write most of those problems and solutions.
< 1589485373 202256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are excuses.
< 1589485394 995957 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe me, the programs I write these days are better. They're not perfect of course, but they're buggy in more advanced way,
< 1589485405 20062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I managed to write larger programs that are still usable.
< 1589485455 998187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the internet was young, there weren't many opportunities to learn good practices from others yet.
< 1589485556 279702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also KöMaL had a homepage where they listed a copy of those programs and solutions (besides the printed journal), but it only added a forum to the homepage in 2003-11 apparently, so I couldn't really talk to many people about those example solutions either.
< 1589485887 203739 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: isn't I.10 just a simple convex hull?
< 1589485932 516404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu-nobody: it's supposed to be, yes. but the example solution is broken.
< 1589485993 464041 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also as far as I can see the solution is using an O(n^2) sort
< 1589486396 143798 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu-nobody: the larger problem is that the solution usually runs into a division by zero
< 1589486738 873535 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're talking about sorting the stuff by atan2 (I didn't read the code actually) there is a near-trivial way to bypass that
< 1589486748 777408 :gnu-nobody!~a@24.133.64.54 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I don't remember it
< 1589486903 155289 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu-nobody: yes, there are better ways to write that program. that's not the question.
< 1589486954 423730 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithms code is nasty in general.
< 1589486957 36829 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :So easy to fuck everything up.
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< 1589491879 502573 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1589491889 742994 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to give BFJoust one last spurt of life before I clean my hands of this. :p
< 1589491894 142980 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :A last attempt at an evolver.
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< 1589492642 374492 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still work on TeXnicard and on the card set that I was making with it. So far there is only one conspiracy, but I can add more. So far only one card has flavor text, but I can hope to add more; do you have some ideas? I also wanted to add one card is the otyugh, too. And, some idea of cards I had but do not know the name to put. And other thing might also be had, to improve the draft, including to adjust rarity perhaps.
< 1589492688 380638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :masterkratos: nobody else wanted to run the categories like small only or all levels, so DeeR just got a free world record there. 
< 1589492704 51689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glitched any% and glitched jackpot has other runs at least
< 1589492729 269106 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there were like anniversaries as an excuse
< 1589492745 788098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong chat again
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< 1589504312 339563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1589504312 586515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 150050Z AUTO 08005KT 050V110 9999 -SHRA FEW011 SCT013 BKN015 10/08 Q1010
< 1589504340 230080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :light rain showers, hmm
< 1589504531 12851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak
< 1589504531 91634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 150053Z 29013KT 10SM FEW016 SCT023 SCT033 BKN180 19/12 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP195 T01940122
< 1589505086 860191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too warm?
< 1589505328 731590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems fine.
< 1589505335 446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I'm indoors all day.
< 1589505351 477957 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I imagine it's warmer during the day :P
< 1589505373 235273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@date
< 1589505373 235328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: vote paste dice
< 1589505375 302294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1589505379 179265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Thu May 14 18:16:15 2020
< 1589505393 304222 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hovhomidionhhtrh PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KAPA
< 1589505394 409572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAPA 150053Z 11008KT 10SM FEW055 BKN110 14/06 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP118 T01440061
< 1589505421 621758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1589505445 148719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I totally misplaced KOAK on the map.
< 1589505601 125335 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "SH" is a lie, this is steady rain. (And I have a hard time believing that the 6km or so distance from the airport make a difference)
< 1589505645 516868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd argue against the - as well, but I don't really know what the standard for that is :)
< 1589505742 260919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it was correct 2h ago.
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< 1589515883 207668 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would someone help with a set of Magic: the Gathering cards that I am making?
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< 1589517189 947974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So I did give SSE a try; it came surprisingly close to the plain integer code (23 cycles vs. 21) after tweaking the assembly generated by g++ (which added loads to and from the xmm registers to each loop iteration for no good reason)
< 1589517234 921908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does clang also do it?
< 1589517246 21425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang fails to assign more than 8 XMM registers.
< 1589517303 626834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's something else; it complains with  opt.cc:236:9: error: couldn't allocate output register for constraint 'x'
< 1589517311 959314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're using SIMD intrinsics with a fixed number of registers and it's still loading and storing all the time?
< 1589517315 555875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I don't know.
< 1589517326 545645 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using inline assembly
< 1589517346 536173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wanted to be fair ... and the integer code is using inline assembly
< 1589517564 67142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the number of registers. clang doesn't like this: asm("" : "+x" (v));
< 1589517592 241751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is supposed to assign an XMM input/output register for v)
< 1589517636 868003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang version 9.0.1-12 
< 1589517795 944378 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work in GCC?
< 1589517838 69661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1589517852 736679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang 9 seems to be happy with that line out of context according to godbolt.org.
< 1589517881 415983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1589517970 319939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :void test() { unsigned __int128 v; asm("" : "+x" (v)); }
< 1589518044 288410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the type matters.
< 1589518069 762357 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check that the generated code is correct, and then file a bug report for whichever compiler is wrong (possibly both).
< 1589518083 200337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be arsed.
< 1589518166 769368 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1589518647 307526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using __m128 v;
< 1589519739 60760 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1589520062 349139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, if I change that to "+x" (*(__m128d*)&v) it's accepted in clang++ and faster than before in g++
< 1589520104 572409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also funny: -fheinous-gnu-extensions
< 1589520201 609921 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that do exactly?
< 1589520242 830568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty silly way to cast a value while still being an lvalue
< 1589520291 290498 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out now that clang has a \p escape for making Pascal strings, apparently.
< 1589520462 759763 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so that gets it down to the 23 cycles without hacking the assembly code, and g++ and clang++ end up being equally fast (unsurprisingly, since the only thing they really add is a loop counter)
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< 1589522393 283402 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generaly use inline assembly codes in C, because then it would be dependent on the computer, and a program is written in C to avoid that so that it can work on many computers.
< 1589523657 234180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have no plans of using this code.
< 1589523774 263125 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version I actually used was pure C(++ makes no real difference) and about 30% slower... and more than fast enough.
< 1589524440 155440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about SIMD intrinsics?
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< 1589525522 657200 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :46.43.2.108 <- someone has mirrored the wiki, including the cert lol
< 1589525553 770703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fizzie's thing
< 1589525578 141876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, esolangs.org has address 46.43.2.108
< 1589526656 10976 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, really
< 1589526670 429827 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I didn't know
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< 1589535134 442595 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1589535703 901563 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the group theory approcah going?
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< 1589535947 150828 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hackeso
< 1589535949 570249 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike HackEgo.
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> 1589537757 424550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babalang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72287&oldid=71780 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+2251) 10Document changes from version 1.1
> 1589537796 597269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babalang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72288&oldid=72287 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+35) 10Version number!
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< 1589545351 229363 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone ever try to implement the TPK algorithm in an esoteric language?
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> 1589546173 377254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72290&oldid=71366 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+602) 10v1.3.7 release notes
> 1589546694 235772 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72291&oldid=72290 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+195) 10labels => bflabels, discourage constant numeric label usage
> 1589547007 746375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ports14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72292&oldid=72284 5* 03AnimaLibera 5* (+4325) 10add special ports
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> 1589547681 415005 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Silberjoder14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72294&oldid=53522 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */
> 1589547809 24658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72295&oldid=72291 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+1978) 10derle deprecation notice
< 1589547833 851759 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article has gotten so messy
< 1589547841 503517 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to clean it up one day
< 1589547852 273670 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd appreciate some feedback, though
> 1589547961 959449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ports14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72296&oldid=72293 5* 03AnimaLibera 5* (+70) 10clarify the notion of mysterious code in the Shared bit buffer definition
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> 1589548336 533073 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ports14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72299&oldid=72298 5* 03AnimaLibera 5* (+28) 10even better style for the special ports section
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< 1589550192 222577 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like markov chains?
< 1589550192 459040 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: hci is a huge pita :p http://rafb.net/ fnord the clicks are too far apart to be double clicks links on mirc. :p
< 1589550257 374404 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please say something that makes sense
< 1589550257 638214 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: works fine fnord you can see precisely where errors occur in particularly hairy macro interactions. continuations as a y combinator. i assumed it was a sake or something.
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< 1589563197 510947 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1202
< 1589563198 279592 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1202: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
< 1589563503 498901 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.179.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what webcomic is olist again?
< 1589563623 219958 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olist
< 1589563624 508153 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
< 1589563636 602459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make the olist script print the url to the strip
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< 1589564869 934811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, I should use the @ command for that
< 1589564875 277535 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ doesthis work ? olist 
< 1589564876 91934 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthis: /hackenv/bin/nur: line 2: work: command not found
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< 1589564880 268260 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: olist is update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
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< 1589566607 699906 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :After reading http://nsl.com/misc/papers/The%20Theory%20of%20Concatenative%20Combinators.htm, I suspect there is a single combinator base similar to iota
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> 1589569112 613368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bias14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72322 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1193) 10Created page with ":''This page is a work-in-progress, but the language is not. Please dont make major changes to the article without consulting the talk page.''  '''Bias''' is an esolang by..."
> 1589569135 269734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bias14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72323&oldid=72322 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Infinite 1-char Cat */
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> 1589575203 427543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Beta-Juliet and Portia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72332&oldid=70656 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+75) 10/* External resources */ wayback
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> 1589575551 472595 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072iota14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72334&oldid=23599 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10/* External resources */ wayback
> 1589575561 619559 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072iota14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72335&oldid=72334 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */
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< 1589591409 906114 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conspiracy of the World {-} Conspiracy ;; Double agenda ;; Non-basic permanents with either chosen name are world.
< 1589591662 133510 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
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> 1589596514 864155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72344 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1764) 10Created page with "The program is a list of commands, with spaces in between. Each command is either passive or active. Comments are allowed, and start with a semicolon and end at a line break...."
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< 1589597047 327953 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a catholic saint who is often depicted with an onion?
< 1589597072 467618 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.179.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saint Abe? It was the style at the time
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< 1589599169 376996 :Antebrationist!ca9a8772@202-154-135-114.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the most aesthetically pleasing esolang you've seen so far?
< 1589599261 585233 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
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< 1589600780 545787 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do want to figure out though is who can help with my software project.
< 1589601017 860958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: piet and trajedy for different reasons
< 1589601697 293778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a parser with this API: void provide_input(Parser *parser, char *input, size_t input_size); void parse(Parser *parser, Token *tokens, size_t tokens_cap);
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< 1589601752 198551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sets parser->processing_input until the input is processed, and returns the number of tokens in parser->num_tokens.
< 1589601777 426035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And returns errors in parser->error, I suppose.
< 1589601797 456456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot, provide_input also take a flag to indicate whether the input is followed by EOF.
< 1589601818 677983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a nicer way to express it?
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< 1589602220 312091 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the return type should not be void, because it might be an error
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< 1589602859 924571 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.179.91 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really need it to take any parameters? can't they all be global variables instead?
< 1589603016 988864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can check parser.error.
< 1589603038 583766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Doesn't that just make a worse API?
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< 1589603876 572563 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O, OK.
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< 1589611459 805568 :Antebrationist!ca9a8772@202-154-135-114.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf .
< 1589611479 200255 :Antebrationist!ca9a8772@202-154-135-114.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot dead?
< 1589611479 470961 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antebrationist: i guess it'd work. you need to add a thing to its front. you enter elements on the stack
< 1589611489 180929 :Antebrationist!ca9a8772@202-154-135-114.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I guess not.
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< 1589614264 142448 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the prefix for fungot?
< 1589614264 342584 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: about fnord for connection from filename...' or ' patrolling' etc. are defined in terms of memory
< 1589614272 4095 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?fungot
< 1589614272 300832 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: http://www.norvig.com/ fnord the integer fnord of a linearization of the path datatype. if a key is the shift of that key, so i guess
< 1589614273 279686 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​?fungot? No such file or directory
< 1589614278 142058 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1589614278 407308 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: maybe you should replace it at some time i've been viewing a russian midget sodomize a housecat!? friggin twelve rounds of reading in files drscheme seems rather fnord :)
< 1589614279 427601 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
< 1589614295 501755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1589614296 761134 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =.
< 1589614325 142092 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, sure, I forgot
< 1589614335 348840 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess bfbot prefix is... outdated :p
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< 1589614988 531523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: why? is the future bfbot using a different prefix?
< 1589615003 17964 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is (sadly) no future bfbot yet
< 1589615020 104720 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I lost hope in humanity after my HDD failed and ONLY the code for the new bfbot has been lost
< 1589615187 153332 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you can change it, just edit the command in both HackEso and fungоt
< 1589615207 922329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously there's no future bfbot yet. that's why it's called future bfbot
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< 1589615377 99651 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I made some improvements to asm2bf
< 1589615391 150401 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :long instruction names, bit operations
< 1589615402 23619 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few optimizations regarding b2bf
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< 1589621876 62969 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c017:eaf:fa4c:f4d2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23201685
< 1589621966 142980 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c017:eaf:fa4c:f4d2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A functional Busy Beaver
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> 1589644067 440402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DINAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72351&oldid=72102 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+8) 10/* Branching */
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> 1589646247 32598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72352&oldid=72331 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+56) 10add asm2bf (it's been missing?)
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< 1589659355 698399 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm not big brained enough for languages like PostScript.
< 1589659407 713753 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1589659426 285768 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than likely.
< 1589659484 434520 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a concatenative language in the "works" based on pattern matching.
< 1589659499 59721 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but figuring out how to build things like basic data structures is interesting enough...
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< 1589659646 822893 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PostScript has some data structures though, such as arrays and dictionaries.
< 1589659659 468772 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking to build mine out of base primitives.
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< 1589659675 142464 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What base primitives do you have, though?
< 1589659704 7735 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should demo this..
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< 1589659733 944798 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hastebin.com/xexubehufu.txt
< 1589659777 776104 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this language is based off of pattern matching. every "tick", we scan through the input string from left to right to find a pattern that matches. you have your basic operators, like arithmetic and logical operators.
< 1589659789 843767 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with `define`, which lets you define new patterns.
< 1589659893 904353 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can consider this entire file the input string. there are a couple of basic manipulation operators, like dup, swap and drop, along with apply, which "flattens" any list. there are also `r` variants, which look to the right of them instead of the left.
< 1589659944 826826 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could theoretically build everything, I guess, from dup, swap, drop, apply, quote/cons/whatever and pattern matching.
< 1589659952 37324 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :including arithmetic ops.
< 1589660044 403811 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the base operators don't apply to things like other operators, only to lists and primitive "data".
< 1589661168 414133 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1589661254 876426 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I don't really like hastebin, which serves HTML instead of plain text, even with the ".txt" extension and even if you add a Accept header to indicate that you want plain text. But I have figured out how to get plain text. Remove ".txt" and add "documents/" before the filename, and then it will be JSON; the property called "data" contains the text. It isn't as good as real plain text, though.)
> 1589662536 453148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72353&oldid=72311 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+62) 10/* Memory */
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< 1589665968 975607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Add "/raw/" in front of the document ID, and remove the extension.
< 1589665973 487239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: As in, https://hastebin.com/raw/xexubehufu
< 1589665996 756002 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that works better.
< 1589666039 975898 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why it has JSON then, since it seems to contain nothing except the data and the filename, which seems to be redundant.)
< 1589666438 971256 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also hit the "raw" button.
< 1589666535 295627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you need to execute scripts for that button to work.
< 1589666541 188276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure why it's not just a link.)
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< 1589667653 182037 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about error recovery in parsing and I get strange ideas
< 1589667657 523061 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 NICK :arseniiv
< 1589667830 384771 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of strange ideas?
< 1589667919 143500 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas mentioned things akin to using semicolons to recover from a broken statement, but having a decently recursive grammar, you can’t for example call reasonable searching for the earliest one to come next, you need at least account for curly braces first, as something like `if (incorrect) { x = 2 ;` is a worse candidate than `if (incorrect) { x = 2; }`
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< 1589668078 748218 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that gives me ideas about fixed prefix and suffix for some rules which should match to consider a parse as a faulty variant of that rule and none alternative to it when a choice can be made
< 1589668128 699253 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this looks like a hard thing to do in LTR top-down parsing which I try to stick with
< 1589668166 642983 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if for example we precompute possible n-token prefixes and suffixes of each nonterminal, what good would it give here
< 1589668235 187289 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the idea for searching the first “reasonable” semicolon can be fleshed out in some other way
< 1589668384 685383 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose annotating these kinds of “faulty” grammars in some special way to make such guesses of “typoed parses” possible—I just don’t know yet which annotations should there be)
< 1589668664 272336 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first idea was to add a ?-like “quantifier”, let’s say P↑, with meaning “if you fail in parsing P, consider that a typoed variant of P and go forth as usual”, but this is too bad. Then I thought about adding an atomic parser ↓ to mark up to which part you may fail (as semicolons, which I used when pondering that, come last), but this works bad with LTR)
< 1589668718 496365 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should have googled error recovery beforehand, I still haven’t
< 1589668772 910747 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this all have sense?
< 1589668876 144986 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay there are some search results. Definitely should have read up first
< 1589668972 597470 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, and I forgot that I mentioned error productions before and even noted this would be a good start
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< 1589669747 170219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :atslash: I specifically said that that's why you need to design your grammar such that it has such markers, and most modern languages aren't like that, they allow embedding anything in anything. python doesn't let you put statements inside expressions, so you can't have a semicolon inside a statement.
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< 1589669757 596856 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arsenniv: ^
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< 1589707535 686873 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah yeah but I see languages like C# still try to make something, like, if I’m not mistaken, this flag enum: https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/blob/master/src/Compilers/CSharp/Portable/Parser/LanguageParser.cs#L56 seem related to this kind of markers. Though I haven’t yet read how are they used there
< 1589707568 990214 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in C#, you can embed statements in expressions via lambda/delegate expressions, at least)
< 1589707616 183387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I can’t remember other such statement-inside-expression constructs there)
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< 1589708228 201913 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there is a manual ignoring of `}` when parsing a namespace, so that a common case of an extra `}` wouldn’t make half of code seem to be after a namespace ends, where nothing can occur except other namespaces
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< 1589708326 609597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be good if it was automatable via a kind of user-specified meta on the grammar. There, a parser is all code (due to performance reasons, I guess) so that’s not evident
< 1589710646 790982 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you could still make something sane where there are multiple kinds of braces or semicolons, but people don't want their code to look ugly or be full of what looks like unnecessary punctuation. I'll have to think more about what can be done with this. 
< 1589711066 330866 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I’ll contemplate later, how powerful error productions (productions which give markedly incorrect parse but are deemed by the grammar designer to occur often in the source with common errors/typos; recovery is trivial as they are normal productions, just with special semantics) may be. If they can make a decent recovery all by themselves, even if it would be needed a large quantity of them, I’d be tempted to use them and see if their addit
< 1589711066 459070 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.209.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion to a grammar can be made easier for people, esp. if there may be a need to add many productions differing very little from each other
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> 1589836249 627314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72434&oldid=72431 5* 03Orby 5* (-140) 10
> 1589836269 819655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72435&oldid=72434 5* 03Orby 5* (+1) 10/* Commands */
> 1589836402 532864 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72436&oldid=72435 5* 03Orby 5* (-2) 10/* Commands */
> 1589836456 626616 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72437&oldid=72436 5* 03Orby 5* (-4) 10/* Translation to Underload */
> 1589836714 406803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72438&oldid=72437 5* 03Orby 5* (+2) 10/* Translation to Underload */ Fixing bug
> 1589837258 795830 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72439&oldid=72438 5* 03Orby 5* (+160) 10
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> 1589838309 882265 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72441&oldid=72439 5* 03Ais523 5* (+19) 10/* Translation from Underload */ here's your ('''e''') translation
> 1589838516 346654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72442&oldid=72441 5* 03Ais523 5* (+376) 10your section headers were backwards; fix cats, mention that this is a TCness proof
> 1589838606 864746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72443&oldid=72442 5* 03Ais523 5* (+64) 10/* Translation from Underload into Clementine */ italics
> 1589840292 988423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72444&oldid=72443 5* 03Orby 5* (+502) 10/* Commands */
> 1589840455 35623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72445&oldid=72444 5* 03Orby 5* (+145) 10
> 1589840488 674694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72446&oldid=72445 5* 03Orby 5* (+2) 10
> 1589840624 414602 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72447&oldid=72446 5* 03Orby 5* (-34) 10/* Clementine as a stack based language */
> 1589840647 490601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72448&oldid=72447 5* 03Orby 5* (+6) 10/* Clementine as a stack based language */
> 1589840689 917609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72449&oldid=72448 5* 03Ais523 5* (+22) 10Underload was actually predated in this respect by at least one non-esolang (!)
> 1589840891 224989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72450&oldid=72449 5* 03Orby 5* (+52) 10/* Clementine as a stack based language */
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< 1589842759 206887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: hmm, I'm not sure we've /proved/ Clementine TC yet
< 1589842773 846213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Underload programs allow arbitrary literals, and we need to prove that those can be constructed in Clementine
< 1589842821 951355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically we need to show translations for (a) (~) (^) (:) (!) (*), once you have those you can create arbitrary literals via a'ing and *'ing them
< 1589842841 551529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the moment only a ~ ^ : ! * have translations, not the quoted version
< 1589842844 648544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you also need a translation for () but it just translates to ())
< 1589842990 183719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… are we sure that https://esolangs.org/wiki/Functional_deadfish is unusable for programming?
< 1589842996 390758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't obvious to me that it's sub-TC
< 1589843026 747140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, functions can't define other functions, which makes it more likely that it's a push-down automaton than anything else
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> 1589843252 80445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:InfiniteDonuts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72451&oldid=72394 5* 03ElectricWah 5* (+196) 10
> 1589843397 417950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72452&oldid=72384 5* 03Ais523 5* (+653) 10I am not convinced this is unusable for programming
< 1589843565 547125 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was just thinking the same thing. But I suspect it's possible because we can cat arbitrary (e) and (k)
< 1589843644 800238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I believe what you have to do is to take the definitions of a, ~, ^ and friends in terms of () (e) (k) k
< 1589843659 686802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use the typical Underload constant construction tricks to join all the e's and k's together using Underload operations
< 1589843724 879482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an unrelated note, something that's been bothering me for years and I was just reminded of: what's the pun in "beta-Juliet"? it's from a series of languages which are named after car manufacturers
< 1589843730 439615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unlike the others, I don't get that one at all
< 1589843738 980894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I try to pronounce it with an American accent
< 1589843755 686341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just got it, it isn't pronunciation at all
< 1589843761 278456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "alfa-romeo" + 1
< 1589843793 484194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fair having one of the puns work on a different principle from the others :-(
< 1589843829 545227 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep yep, I'll probably write it up tonight
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< 1589843966 81416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice
> 1589844064 995154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Maentwrog14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72453&oldid=72376 5* 03Ais523 5* (+126) 10former dead link is no longer dead; fix hatnote; explain the history of this page
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< 1589844592 426423 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't it trivial to convert X to (X)? Just follow each clementine command in X with a*
< 1589844709 675747 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, follow () (k) and (e) with a* and replace k with (k)*
< 1589844774 139067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a boundary problem
< 1589844779 74926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you just need to put an extra () at the start though
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< 1589844866 441244 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's right
< 1589844913 204794 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally got into underload minimization :)
< 1589845033 334512 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to reduce it to three commands. I saw M^ but the term rewriting semantics are a nightmare.
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< 1589845115 748781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: right, it's an "artificial"/"constructed" combinator that basically exists just to dump all the other combinators you need onto the stack so that you can combine them
< 1589845134 659928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ():^ is interesting in a different way, because it's TC but it isn't (as far as I know) a simple translation of Underload
< 1589845240 363180 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, ():^ is my favorite. I wanted to start moving away from quoting to "pure" concatenation
< 1589845268 369781 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was the motivation behind Clementine
< 1589845298 677424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "purest" version of Underload has 12 commands, I think: (a) (~) (^) (:) (!) (*) a ~ ^ : ! *
< 1589845318 883449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although obviously five of the six unquoted commands are redundant because you only really need ^
< 1589845322 184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can use it to unquote the others
< 1589845371 498525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/7 was a language inspired by that line of thought, although it kind-of became a mess in some ways
< 1589845433 659417 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: passing argument 1 of 'f != 0 ? &compare_left : &compare_right' discards 'const' qualifier from pointer target type       I didn't write "f != 0 ? &compare_left : &compare_right", although what I did write is equivalent to that.
< 1589845441 880231 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, clementine started out with a bunch of quoted operators and ^, which I paired down to () (e) (k) and ^, and then realized that replacing ^ with k makes the term rewriting semantics nicer
< 1589845469 904326 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 looks interesting
< 1589845484 269679 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write up the translations for the quoted underload commands and then read up on 7
< 1589845554 745993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the core goals of 7 turned out in retrospect to be a mistake (which was that you can write a literal containing any sequence of commands, not merely something equivalent; Underload doesn't have this property because you can't write a literal containing unmatched parentheses)
< 1589845601 372829 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another esolang with some relation to 7 and Underload is EsoPost, which uses marks on the stack
< 1589845707 813385 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, I'll look at that too
> 1589845957 350400 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72454&oldid=72450 5* 03Orby 5* (+498) 10/* Translation from Underload into Clementine */ Adding translations for Underload command literals
< 1589845967 205825 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do those look right to you?
> 1589846149 960607 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72455&oldid=72454 5* 03Orby 5* (-102) 10/* Translation from Underload into Clementine */
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> 1589846400 478612 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72456&oldid=72455 5* 03Orby 5* (+36) 10/* Translation from Underload into Clementine */ Bolding Clementine commands
> 1589846492 805560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72457&oldid=72456 5* 03Orby 5* (+4) 10Bolding clementine commands for readability
< 1589846512 941865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I haven't checked in detail, but it doesn't look wrong, at least
< 1589846532 265605 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, thanks. I'll go back over them as well.
< 1589846605 453316 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a custom Magic: the Gathering card that I found in a box with other card games:  Sad Jester {UU} Creature - Human (0/1) ;; {WB}, {T}: Add {UU}.
> 1589846656 303203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72458&oldid=72457 5* 03Orby 5* (+6) 10/* Translation from Clementine into Underload */ Bolding more clementine commands
< 1589846749 766250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that doesn't look like a very powerful card
< 1589846814 296120 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it doesn't look that good to me either
< 1589847017 386020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's better in the presence of other cards, like Festering Newt/Bogbrew Witch/Bubbling Cauldron.
< 1589847055 319602 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are creatures that tap to convert color, but I think they take just one mana as input
< 1589847070 149551 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/convert/filter/
< 1589847073 915340 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Although I looked and found a lot more custom cards too.
< 1589847087 304708 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some might take {1}... let me search
> 1589847111 662499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Pico14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72459&oldid=72340 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+5162) 10now with full brainfuck IO support in 2 symbols. My brain does hurt now.
< 1589847172 308874 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` card-by-name "Ceta Disciple" # a search finds a few 
< 1589847173 769557 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceta Disciple \ U \ Creature -- Merfolk Wizard \ 1/1 \ {R}, {T}: Target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn. \ {G}, {T}: Add one mana of any color. \ AP-C
< 1589847179 759856 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Fire Sprites
< 1589847180 570556 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire Sprites \ 1G \ Creature -- Faerie \ 1/1 \ Flying \ {G}, {T}: Add {R}. \ LE-C, ME3-C
< 1589847185 896692 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Helionaut
< 1589847186 670081 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helionaut \ 2W \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 1/2 \ Flying \ {1}, {T}: Add one mana of any color. \ AP-C
< 1589847198 579721 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Neera Disciple
< 1589847199 340471 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1589847200 421514 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some seem a little bit too powerful, some seem a bit too less powerful, and some of them have effects that won't work or that are unclear. One of them says if it is tapped at the end of your turn, shuffle it into your library. It should probably be something like "At the beginning of each end step, if ~ is tapped, shuffle it into its owner's library."
< 1589847263 699564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Viridian Acolyte
< 1589847264 457059 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viridian Acolyte \ G \ Creature -- Elf Shaman \ 1/1 \ {1}, {T}: Add one mana of any color. \ DST-C
> 1589847374 989516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Pico14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72460&oldid=72459 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+295) 10/* Hello World! */ source bf version of the code
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> 1589848238 232860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5*  10New user account
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> 1589848511 610490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72461&oldid=72357 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+274) 10Added my edit.
> 1589848703 147717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:UltimateProGrammer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72462 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+325) 10Added everything.
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> 1589849867 268593 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72463 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+2223) 10Added general information about the language.
> 1589850716 920399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72464&oldid=72463 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+910) 10Added math and compiler errors sections.
> 1589851121 737034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72465&oldid=72464 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+812) 10Added variables section
> 1589851838 320537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72466&oldid=72465 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+1536) 10Added more examples, explained conditional statements
> 1589851987 928019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72467&oldid=72433 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+67) 10
> 1589853771 522869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Pico14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72468&oldid=72460 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1076) 10ideas for next steps
> 1589854115 634546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Pico14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72469&oldid=72468 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+0) 10correct bf brackets
> 1589854364 531662 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Pico14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72470&oldid=72469 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-204) 10already refactored away
> 1589855168 802862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Pico14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72471&oldid=72470 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+21) 10necessary init
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> 1589865717 99040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:HydraLoop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72472&oldid=72392 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+89) 10
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> 1589866779 396647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Self-modifying Turing machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72473&oldid=72402 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+30) 10Change card to state
< 1589867543 544517 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common is it to use unusual headers for commentary on Usenet?
< 1589867692 97087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you could single-handedly make it very common.
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< 1589868197 404118 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen at least two writers who have done such things (although I am not one of them).
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< 1589917248 741036 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any underload wizzes around?
< 1589917361 799027 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to convert the clementine e combinator to underload to establish the simple translation
< 1589917491 724730 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously possible in theory, but I can't figure it out as I don't know enough of the underload tricks
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< 1589922596 966897 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I've just been looking at Clementine and Underload. Not sure if you have seen my wip Pico page https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Salpynx/Pico but it is a wip 2 commands representing a single bf-like contaminator function
< 1589922650 696458 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm likely to change all the encodings soon, but it should be able to implement any of the bit or byte wise bf minimisations using simple tanslations.  
< 1589922752 128278 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to find another non-bf language to attempt a simple translation for, Clementine / Underload seems like great candidates. Underload uses concepts that I seem to have implement in pico(), so it might not be too difficult
< 1589922762 312620 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at that! Very cool!
< 1589922796 464001 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload has been minimized to M^, but it's not very pretty
< 1589922830 926834 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how that relates to picofuck. I'm still exploring my meta-interpreter ideas, but I think they basically boil down to the same thing when trying to minimise into two symbols
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< 1589922954 902935 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'contaminator' function? I meant 'combinator' -- I didn't think I had an auto-correct here. That may have been a Freudian-slip.
< 1589923055 494079 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm still getting my head around the underload minimization, but it will definitely have ramifications on pico
< 1589923074 427465 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd approach it by figuring out a bf translation for each Underload operation and then try to combine and minimise from there. Has anyone made an Underload interpreter in bf?
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< 1589923480 811153 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the definition of pico() stabilises , I can begin to think about how that algorithm might be translated into rbf, or something else. I imagine it'll be more painful than getting it to work in python.
< 1589923530 204006 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, underload and bf are wildly different beasts. I'm fairly happy with what I have on the page right now. I just need to find a way to write * in terms of [e], [k], k and []
< 1589923550 602897 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, yeah doing it in python then translating is smart
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< 1589923893 509878 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get some work done today, but I'll read through more Clementine and Underload  and explore their simple translations more later.
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< 1589924056 942129 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small nitpick, when I see CT I think Cyclic Tag. Not sure if that could be counted as a 'common' confusion though :)
< 1589924339 805698 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. Feel free to alter it if you think of a better abreviation.
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< 1589926416 247326 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: does the restricted ct make sense?
< 1589926443 149676 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find a way to express * in it
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> 1589936524 578071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72532&oldid=72529 5* 03Orby 5* (+23) 10
> 1589936592 338675 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Charmaster16 5*  10New user account
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> 1589937429 129771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Huf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72535 5* 03Charmaster16 5* (+145) 10Created page with "huf is a time consuming and useless language. Its syntax is a little similar to brainfuck. Check it out here: https://github.com/Charmaster16/huf"
> 1589937469 689362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Huf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72536&oldid=72535 5* 03Charmaster16 5* (+39) 10
> 1589937534 460278 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Charmaster1614]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72537 5* 03Charmaster16 5* (+46) 10Created page with "Real name is Charlie Hough. Creator of [[huf]]"
> 1589937847 716869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Huf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72538&oldid=72536 5* 03Charmaster16 5* (+0) 10
> 1589937979 163813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72539&oldid=72467 5* 03Charmaster16 5* (+10) 10/* H */
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< 1589941332 298800 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 2 symbol simple translation of that latest language added to the wiki 'huf' in pico(). An experiment to see how fast a language I'd never heard of could be converted without modifying the existing pico() definition.
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< 1589942802 669565 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: nice. I'm trying to see if it's theoretically possible to reduce underload to one concatenative combinator plus quoting.
< 1589942886 178597 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, restricted clementine should have interesting implications for godel numberings if i can prove it tc
< 1589942943 668049 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :* is really hard to compose in restricted clm. Maybe impossible. The other combinators are easy.
< 1589943089 472261 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I also reformulated clementine so that it's now the smallest proper simple translation of underload that I know of.
< 1589943119 707566 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also M^, but it lacks quotes
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> 1589948993 501373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotsy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72540&oldid=70238 5* 03Quadril-Is 5* (+9) 10
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< 1589954458 547612 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathematical function I mentioned earlier, I called it "IINL" for "increment in nested loops". I wrote article <1589825967.bystand@zzo38computer.org> about it, and some questions, but so far they just argue about the definition of nested loops instead of actually answering the question. Maybe eventually someone who doesn't use Google will answer the question properly.
< 1589954582 944120 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe my definition is unclear, although the people on this IRC seem to understand it, at least.)
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> 1589954916 384519 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72541&oldid=72206 5* 03Quadril-Is 5* (+529) 10Probably not PF.
> 1589955243 240937 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72542&oldid=72541 5* 03Quadril-Is 5* (+74) 10/* PFC4 */
> 1589955329 571157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72543&oldid=72542 5* 03Quadril-Is 5* (-20) 10/* PFC4 */
< 1589955633 382292 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yum. https://d4stiny.github.io/How-to-use-Trend-Micro-Rootkit-Remover-to-Install-a-Rootkit/
< 1589955676 158833 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This kind of reversal feels very much on topic here to me.)
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< 1589958833 377790 :Antebrationist!ca9a82a9@202-154-130-169.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I did a codegolf in Eldritch.
< 1589958913 195276 :Antebrationist!ca9a82a9@202-154-130-169.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, create a Hello, World! program which doesn't contain any of the letters or characters "!,delorHW"
< 1589958919 933534 :Antebrationist!ca9a82a9@202-154-130-169.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is my program:
< 1589958929 494032 :Antebrationist!ca9a82a9@202-154-130-169.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :VFcjjm* Umpjb 
< 1589958935 284963 :Antebrationist!ca9a82a9@202-154-130-169.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, formatting.
< 1589958955 619902 :Antebrationist!ca9a82a9@202-154-130-169.dsl-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/TLyflk
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< 1589959162 817878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<<5735816763073854953388147237921P
< 1589959164 741887 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
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< 1589965285 961412 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I met Daniel Cristofani a few days ago
< 1589965298 41686 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turned out, he managed to learn asm2bf in two days
< 1589965304 75581 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solely reading it's source code
< 1589965361 263578 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm impressed, because most people trying to learn asm2bf overall failed miserably
< 1589965371 127846 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it's just him being brainfuck pioneer
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< 1589965585 840911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just used five different editors within the past hour
< 1589965602 170126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not because of some sort of editor evaluation, either, each was the obvious (or in some cases only available) tool for the job
< 1589965609 784233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what this says about me
< 1589965632 230018 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That you're someone comfortable with a large toolbox?
< 1589965770 987972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are they editing the same kind of thing, like text files?
< 1589965805 996488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use two text editors at work. It's not because they're good for the job, both of them sucks, but I don't have a really good text editor. 
< 1589965816 938873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five sounds a bit excessive.
< 1589965950 152093 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could even count three. I use three exitors at work.
< 1589966031 90137 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do dedicated IDEs count
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< 1589966768 771809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: one of them was a dedicated IDE for Java
< 1589966789 722783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I used it for all the Java files that were on my local computer, and no files that didn't meet that description
< 1589966798 656873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for not responding earlier, I somehow managed to turn off pings by mistake)
< 1589966815 87435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, occasionally I use a dedicated IDE too
< 1589966832 267895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they suck, so mostly I just edit those files in a normal editor
< 1589966845 683223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one of them is vi, which I don't use through choice (I might occasionally use vim, but vi is kind-of sucky by comparison)
< 1589966870 117146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was the most powerful editor installed on the (BusyBox-based) system
< 1589966907 222832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest were more "through choice" cases, though; nano for quick editing in terminals; gedit for taking notes that go in the background; Emacs for more serious editing
< 1589966920 989883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use vi*m* routinely to make small edits in configuration files.
< 1589966931 822169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, that's comparable to my use of nano
< 1589966940 739412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing wrong with vim for that, I just happen to prefer nano
< 1589966954 166011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I never liked nano for some reason
< 1589966964 856372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is more powerful but takes more thought to use
< 1589966984 963421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically I don't use any of the advanced features
< 1589966988 193124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think vim is probably only worth using if you're willing to put in enough practice to use it via instinct so that you don't have to think
< 1589967009 920362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, being able to say "delete 7 words" is powerful, but being able to /count/ 7 words is hard
< 1589967051 62746 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, when you don't want to think that much, you press v then keep hitting e until it reaches the end of what you want to delete, then d
< 1589967053 222778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is my go to editor for most things. specific IDEs I've used include Isabelle/jEdit, coqide, eclipse.
< 1589967066 404525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what's the difference between e and w?
< 1589967069 2026 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can occasionally count 7 characters, but I don't think I ever tried to count 7 words
< 1589967076 331579 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e goes to the end of a word, w goes to the start of a word
< 1589967079 180101 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both move forward
< 1589967085 214998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1589967092 556394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim has so many subtle differences like that
< 1589967097 820382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not a Haiku person
< 1589967169 962122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Emacs controls are better for deleting words one at a time, you hold meta and tap d for each word you want to delete
< 1589967296 942658 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more importantly, when you do that in emacs, you get one entry in the yank list. vim doesn't try to unify adjacent deletions, so if you hit x four times to delete four characters, you get four yank entries.
< 1589967421 140208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I actually used /6/ editors
< 1589967424 321591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that one of them was sed
< 1589967437 794724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because automated editing is a little different in nature from human editing
< 1589967466 184752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven if you count readline at the bash prompt, but you shouldn't
< 1589967476 423135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and rather more if you count random text input boxes in GUI applications)
< 1589967715 343225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( like this one in irssi, minus the "G" )
< 1589967748 742527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't think we should count these. :)
< 1589967849 461592 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, ghci uses haskeline, which is distinct from readline even though it feels basically the same. If I start looking around a bit I suspect I might find an editline user as well.)
< 1589970766 702089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me wonder what an editor is
< 1589970793 303215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Claudio Calvelli (author of CLC-INTERCAL) once wrote an editor using nothing but Bourne shell and dd; I don't know what its functionality is like
< 1589970802 826515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the entire purpose of the project was the silly language choice
< 1589970816 866918 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody who selects and arrenges articles for a printed product.
< 1589970827 612030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arranges
< 1589971631 542486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (17) editor, editor in chief -- (a person responsible for the editorial aspects of publication; the person who determines the final content of a text (especially of a newspaper or magazine))
< 1589971635 558488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. editor program, editor -- ((computer science) a program designed to perform such editorial functions as rearrangement or modification or deletion of data)
< 1589971642 532164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sense 2 is pretty generic.
< 1589971652 997716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 'rm' is an editor as well? 
< 1589971685 588028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you an editor in either sense? 
< 1589971685 690624 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: burn her!
< 1589971841 474827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: arguably the purpose of rm isn't deleting data
< 1589971844 319026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm just un-names files
< 1589971850 878963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the filesystem's garbage collector that deletes data
< 1589971856 570871 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlinks
< 1589971862 657103 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems more correct
< 1589971880 707427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's a technical term, and thus would have undermined my point somewhat
< 1589971978 126561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, rm is a file system editor
< 1589972011 149600 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much in the same way that scissors are paper editors ;)
< 1589972047 194208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I like that
< 1589972051 359896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi edits files, rm edits filesystems
< 1589972245 999570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/1993/07/07
< 1589972301 559030 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htaSWIPMvVM&pbjreload=10
< 1589972308 49764 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1589972312 726304 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind.
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< 1589972449 547696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but rm -r also does rmdir, to which the garbage collector thing doesn't apply, rmdir plain just deletes a directory
< 1589972501 717014 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also rm still works on file systems like FAT, which doesn't have inodes, nor anywhere you could store a link count
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< 1589972633 47634 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you rearrange text using rm?
< 1589972663 884218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: does rmdir unlink directories on filesystems that allow for directory hardlinks?
< 1589972713 761781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! another thing I did today was to change my bash prompt to show my primary group, rather than my user
< 1589972733 133439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for all the regular user accounts I use the primary group and user are the same, but sometimes I temporarily switch primary group
< 1589972741 645751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want a reminder of when I've done that
< 1589972768 256815 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know, "directory hardlinks" is something that I only heard as having existed historically, I don't think I've ever met it as something that actually exists
< 1589972801 92600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if that ever coexisted with a hierarchical file system
< 1589972831 743515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was used back in pre-v1 unix when every call that needed a path instead took two arguments, a directory name and a file name, with no separators in them 
< 1589972914 219129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember NTFS supporting something directory-hardlink-like, it might be different though
< 1589972998 820680 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they just have three different types of symlink
< 1589973005 498160 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or four
< 1589973010 892559 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of which work on directories
< 1589973098 751451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure I could even distinguish between "like a symlink" and "like a hardlink" for aliases that are set up by the operating system and that I would never try to remove or rename because I'm sure it would either fail or break something important
< 1589973140 45404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trying to deliberately break my windows systems at work, they break on their own, or third party software that I install breaks them
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< 1589975148 913366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: The description had an "or" condition, not an "and" condition.
< 1589975163 26500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "designed to perform such editorial functions as -- deletion of data".
< 1589975189 832145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, ais523's point on it not actually deleting data is fair enough.
< 1589975313 209734 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dd would modify data
< 1589975605 532307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetically, you could be using rm for "rearranging text" if you had a document split across multiple files in a scheme where you include all files and use file name sort order to control how they're arranged.
< 1589975637 825625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, my thesis was split to 00_preface.tex, 01_intro.tex and so on, though I don't think I had a wildcard include or anything.
< 1589975670 958600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mv maybe more so.)
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< 1590003471 152063 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(n) is the lowest positive number that does not appear in position n in any OEIS sequence: 
< 1590003780 119355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(n) is A[n](n)+1 <-- at least make it stable under extensions of OEIS.
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< 1590004028 281671 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-123.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: that is in the OEIS I think
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< 1590024530 8758 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/2309/ relevant to this channel.
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< 1590039632 456213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it's not so bad... we only need 2 variables for a Minsky machine
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< 1590039704 188520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we could use Haskell which viewed from the right angle has no variables at all ;)
< 1590039723 766440 :Antebrationist!ca9a8681@202-154-134-129.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esolangs which create or look like ASCII art?
< 1590039772 758605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because the x in `\x -> x` is a parameter, not (as we sloppily call it) a variable. And `main` is a constant.)
< 1590039793 528630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i which x in \x -> x?
< 1590039801 496128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good point.
< 1590039843 595164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird eyes though
< 1590039914 548031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ò,ó
< 1590040001 424734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' prose
< 1590040002 222638 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1125) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1590040161 441438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɵ ̮ɵ
< 1590040217 179807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. where does the combining character belong...
< 1590040245 168731 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Do I hate Unicode?
< 1590040245 225554 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
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< 1590040527 94376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/
< 1590040541 1714 :Antebrationist!ca9a8681@202-154-134-129.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1590040573 556441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the previous topic was Easter-themed.
< 1590040588 923274 :Antebrationist!ca9a8681@202-154-134-129.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was.
< 1590040640 867835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, we do take this channel very seriously, and that should be reflected in the topic.
< 1590040652 656348 :Antebrationist!ca9a8681@202-154-134-129.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1590040692 356389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1590040693 536975 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.
< 1590040933 20245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( It's a pro league, in case that wasn't obvious. )
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< 1590042754 214198 :rdartigues!~rdartigue@noire.p0d.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello there
< 1590042773 707922 :Antebrationist!ca9a8681@202-154-134-129.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Kenobi! You are a bold one!
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< 1590042896 600721 :rdartigues!~rdartigue@noire.p0d.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm probably late, but the last XKCD definitively has it's place on esolangs.org frontpage...
< 1590042933 634631 :Antebrationist!ca9a8681@202-154-134-129.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think so. It's not really an esolang.
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< 1590043435 746742 :rdartigues!~rdartigue@noire.p0d.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :well well, appreciation to the community, cheers
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< 1590049768 626854 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.94.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning.
< 1590049822 553909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jury's still out on that one.
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< 1590050113 907625 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!
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> 1590056385 145013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72603&oldid=72570 5* 03Emerald 5* (-84) 10Removed dumb error; this would break truth machine
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> 1590056591 7837 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72604&oldid=72595 5* 03Emerald 5* (+27) 10Not affiliated with digfill tm
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> 1590059691 367435 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge-with-graphics14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72605&oldid=72597 5* 03KingJellyfish 5* (+2042) 10
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> 1590060475 901960 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge-with-graphics14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72606&oldid=72605 5* 03KingJellyfish 5* (+177) 10
< 1590060544 219006 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappointed by the examples. there needs to be a screenshot
> 1590060630 454425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge-with-graphics14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72607&oldid=72606 5* 03KingJellyfish 5* (+757) 10Example programs
< 1590060682 377690 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is it possible to have a graphical quine?
> 1590060782 765363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge-with-graphics14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72608&oldid=72607 5* 03KingJellyfish 5* (-147) 10/* Example with drawing and keyboard input */
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> 1590062795 127516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nux 5*  10New user account
> 1590063057 948360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72609&oldid=72588 5* 03Nux 5* (+342) 10introducing myself (Nux)
> 1590063761 770807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72610 5* 03Nux 5* (+527) 10Created article for X language defined in and XKCD comic
> 1590063779 400195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72611&oldid=72610 5* 03Nux 5* (-1) 10typo
> 1590063809 797789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72612&oldid=72611 5* 03Nux 5* (-10) 10I really should have proof-read this.
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< 1590064751 407493 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1590064766 599751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That didn't take long.
< 1590064912 871735 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, that's more permissive than necessary
< 1590064952 922310 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x in just one font is plenty enough and also leass readable
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> 1590065929 623367 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07COD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72613&oldid=72587 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+73) 10/* Edge commands */
> 1590066382 583219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXCON14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72614&oldid=61815 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+83) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */
> 1590066470 401399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXCON14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72615&oldid=72614 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+46) 10/* Interpreter */ cats
> 1590066905 890689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RubE On Conveyor Belts/Interpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72616&oldid=38331 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10rm newline
> 1590066954 993474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72617&oldid=61420 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10lower title
> 1590067220 856602 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07COD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72618&oldid=72613 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Commands */
> 1590067565 484905 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07COD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72619&oldid=72618 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10/* Truth-machine */
> 1590068336 488326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triplet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72620&oldid=38459 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+355) 10interpreter
> 1590068406 599110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triplet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72621&oldid=72620 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-74) 10/* Triplet-to-brainfuck converter in Python */
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< 1590069484 198326 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.94.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoon.
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< 1590072557 320549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( What's a flate-arther... ) <-- I hate when that happens.
< 1590072633 6626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The hyphen is mine. I was reading something on Twitter and that word stumped me for a moment.)
< 1590072728 143205 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in german, there is a quite popular misreading of "brathering" (roasted herring) as something english that doesn't exist
< 1590072828 45109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brathering ist aber nur dann verwirrend, wenn er am Anfang des Satzes steht.
< 1590072831 474425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1590072926 19219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tend to not capitalize english nouns even when typing german. I suppose that's wrong.)
< 1590072946 313671 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1590072965 99997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it *feels* right. And by today's standard that entitles me to do it.
< 1590072971 751881 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*standards
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> 1590077282 476328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PROLAN/M14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72622&oldid=53700 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10
> 1590077371 268249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PROLAN/M14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72623&oldid=72622 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-7) 10
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< 1590080500 416115 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.94.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evening.
< 1590080592 351005 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.94.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to do more than just transmit greetings but at this point I'm too exhausted.
< 1590080595 412657 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.94.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night.
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> 1590082390 782127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Quine (programming language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72627&oldid=46833 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10/* Hello world */ quine
> 1590082664 599112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Java'14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72628&oldid=49735 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+80) 10cats
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> 1590087959 697721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72637&oldid=72603 5* 03Emerald 5* (+103) 10Added error
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< 1590098603 599297 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about real valued brainfuck. In theory you could encode an entire bit tape as a value in the interval [0,1] as X := sum n_i * 2^(-i) where n_i is the bit in the i-th position on the tape. Moreover, you could use X to inform a bernoulli process i.e. have Y = 1 with probability X and 0 otherwise. By performing bitwise operations on Y and gibbs sampling the output, you could converge on any computation on the tape.
< 1590098645 562979 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y could be the lone register.
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< 1590098996 91423 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Y would tend toward 1 with probability >= 0.5 if n_1 is 1. Y would be 1 with probability >= 0.75 if the first and second bits are 1 and probability [0.25,0.5] if the first bit is zero and second bit is 1, etc.
< 1590099063 658478 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more times you sampled, the better accuracy you'd get farther down the tape
< 1590099132 636918 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately converging on the correct computation
< 1590099190 210442 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Y would converge on the bitwise negation of each cell. 
< 1590099246 203067 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y&Y would converge on left shifting
< 1590099326 548955 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to figure out how to extract a cell...
< 1590099537 197069 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem is there's no way to distinguish between 10000000... and 01111111...
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< 1590101992 387294 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: Do you know about fractran?
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< 1590107722 367041 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144204239.atnat0013.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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> 1590107888 318175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72647&oldid=72500 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+607) 10Added type conversion/rounding
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< 1590109359 420123 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I implemented layer distortion. For example, you can print arched text. What are the correct equation for a distortion of arched text?
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< 1590124299 146958 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Dodrio with 70 hit points, no damage, and one attack which is 10 plus however much damage is on this card, and I need to knock out one of their cards to win. They have Nidoran with 50 points, no damage, and two attacks, first one is no damage now but if this card attacks next turn the damage will be doubled, and second one is toss a coin if heads 40 damage if tails nothing.
< 1590124467 107317 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly the second one would be better, but in this case the first one is better, but nevertheless they did the second one instead.
< 1590124515 897501 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you believe me?
< 1590124692 283066 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
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< 1590124939 369428 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part(s)?
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< 1590127456 598642 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno i'm no pokemon master :P
< 1590127810 863095 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither am I, but I think that much is clear to me at least, because if they did the second attack then I will win if their attack hits.
< 1590127885 752669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While, if they did the first attack instead, then they will be only partially damaged and if their attack hits next turn, then Dodrio is knocked out instead.
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< 1590133407 467411 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning.
< 1590133432 899196 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inescapable conclusion is that Jot is a concatenative language.
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< 1590139897 391073 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the inescapable inference to be made from the fact that Jot is a concatenative language is that function application is a form of function composition.
< 1590140133 145113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is if you abstract from the I that is used for the empty string.
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< 1590140195 162034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since [xF] = F'[x] for some F'.
< 1590140264 662101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the conclusion is that "concatenative" is almost meaningless and applies to any program representation as strings.
< 1590140273 254477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category theory people and things like https://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.6543.pdf would like to say that, but I think it's normally a pretty niche view.
< 1590140357 273943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's also a popular view in linear algebra, where people like to represent vectors in V as maps : F -> V
< 1590140550 791654 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "Jot" and "Joy" differ by only one character, there's got to be some significance there, right?
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< 1590140713 928692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Actually I think I'm just retracing my own steps here... I have already deconstructed concatenativity in that way months ago, stating the program semantics as a function from a compiler state to another compiler state, and moving the setup of the initial compiler state and the extraction of the program to run into the machine that defines the model of computation.
< 1590140754 313443 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I will admit that in the Jot case it is almost natural.
< 1590140803 395829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the program extraction is the identity, and the intial state is just I.
< 1590140833 669917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, obviously, there are no compiler errors of any sort.
< 1590141034 877228 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm actually fairly sure I follow you, but I have a difficult time putting it into words myself.
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< 1590144421 197102 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re the article shachaf linked to, I often think of sets as functions (or more specifically, predicates,) but I'm not really seeing the intuition for looking at *elements* as functions.
< 1590144561 680318 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For any set X, a function 1 -> X is essentially just an element of X" is just totally confusing.
< 1590144575 886343 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't try to explain it.
< 1590144582 963066 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am deciding not to care.
< 1590144636 230446 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does remind me of argument-less haskell functions, though
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< 1590144674 533993 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just weird. You start doing pointless things and then you find that you need ways to still make points.
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< 1590144715 517318 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, foo :: Int -> Int -> Int is a function that expects a value and returns a 1-argument-function, which in turn accepts a value and returns a "0-argument-function"
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< 1590146098 433745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this view certainly fits "function application is a form of function composition" above.
< 1590146133 499530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't have zero-argument functions.
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< 1590149540 589356 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoon.
< 1590149639 597183 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cpressey 
< 1590149709 705582 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi rain1 
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< 1590150513 600429 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
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< 1590150937 847793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd, this git repository has a [remote "origin"], but it's configured with url = X.Y.Z.W:foo, where X.Y.Z.W is the IP address of the machine itself (not loopback, its public address) and "foo" the name of the directory it's in. I wonder what happened here.
< 1590150982 882491 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that odd? it's fairly normal imho
< 1590150993 33155 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :new idea: esolang whose only data source is its own source code
< 1590151019 502654 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew_gtgt: so basically anything that does not read from stdin?
< 1590151033 404732 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and also cannot do stuff like
< 1590151040 458422 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, push to the stack
< 1590151044 535157 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :push new thigns to the stack
< 1590151056 355791 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :only reads data from its source code and modifies itself
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< 1590151103 430590 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no stack at all is pretty limited, i suppose
< 1590151122 40150 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge can do that with a reasonably bounded stack
< 1590151142 785418 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullying automatons could fall into your idea
< 1590151171 699650 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an esolang where you input a number
< 1590151178 382826 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it takes the number's prime factors
< 1590151188 704487 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :then reads the digits of those prime factors like instructions
< 1590151202 549859 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran is pretty close
< 1590151204 523097 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively, the job is to find a number whose factors spell out a program
< 1590151226 273485 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :or  verify a prime number which works like that
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< 1590151311 392257 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe another thing that plays with numbers
< 1590151470 740954 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do an awful lot with numbers. under a few transformation rules, every program can correspond to a number
< 1590151504 272530 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is a bf derivate that just uses an unary number that it transforms into bf code to execute
< 1590151536 155115 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1590151607 442809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I don't think it's normal for a repository's "origin" remote to refer to itself. Usually it's a *different* machine it was cloned from.
< 1590151662 158011 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd have to create it at some point
< 1590151678 594765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but "git init" doesn't set up any remotes at all.
< 1590151688 254278 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1590151703 325143 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rarely use vcs locally
< 1590151713 928854 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i did, would give me a reason to try pijul
< 1590151714 785691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also paradoxically three commits ahead of itself (in the sense of HEAD vs. refs/remotes/origin/HEAD).
< 1590151728 929252 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: a language which also creates languages and sometimes passes execution to them>
< 1590151745 251731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guessing I just transplanted the whole directory from some other system rather than cloning it properly, and never cleaned up.)
< 1590151776 401158 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the head issue is interesting
< 1590151786 441237 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never considered that to be different things at all
< 1590151815 224673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that's just because the remote refs aren't updated until you actually fetch from the remote.
< 1590151883 483639 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is actually pretty neat
< 1590151894 839298 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can just git pull to get back to a safed state
< 1590151908 473254 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more need for branches!
< 1590152055 575222 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about github
< 1590152115 380298 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, about git
< 1590152122 662765 :andrew_gtgt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1590154002 669912 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings all
> 1590154043 113322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Glutton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72664&oldid=59913 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+67) 10Add cats
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> 1590155987 851272 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72666&oldid=72381 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10
> 1590155997 945989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72667&oldid=72666 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3047) 10Blanked the page
> 1590156021 735154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72668&oldid=72594 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-15) 10
> 1590156036 593367 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72669&oldid=72643 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* L */ + [[Lamfunc]]
> 1590156048 542393 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lamfunc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72670 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3047) 10Created page with "'''Lamfunc''' is a functional esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Memory== Lamfunc uses a mapping of variable names to values (e.g., a dictionary/associative array)..."
> 1590156072 99215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lamfunc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72671&oldid=72670 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10/* Lambdas */
> 1590156107 906944 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lamfunc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72672&oldid=72671 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-56) 10/* Lambdas/IIFEs */
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> 1590158104 410874 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07English14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72674&oldid=72673 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */
> 1590158291 487576 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sumerian14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72675&oldid=58902 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10
> 1590158640 138702 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mov14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72676&oldid=61272 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* As a compilation target */
> 1590158690 632807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mov14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72677&oldid=72676 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+52) 10/* References */
> 1590158811 640002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PlusOrMinus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72678&oldid=71605 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-71) 10/* Resources */
> 1590158887 44438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PlusOrMinus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72679&oldid=72678 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+154) 10/* Resources */
> 1590159074 698706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72680&oldid=71246 5* 03Arcorann 5* (-43) 10/* External links */ fix nested wayback machine link
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> 1590160544 312006 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:X14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72681 5* 03Int-e 5* (+154) 10xxx
> 1590160827 416160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Movesum14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72682 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2617) 10Created page with "'''Movesum''' is an esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] where the only instructions are ''move'' and ''sum''.  ==Memory== Movesum programs have access to a right-unboun..."
> 1590160890 320320 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Movesum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72683&oldid=72682 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-38) 10
> 1590160931 984237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Movesum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72684&oldid=72683 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+47) 10/* Rest of the program */
> 1590160959 996064 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72685&oldid=72669 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* M */ + [[Movesum]]
> 1590161062 886863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mostawesomeprogramminglanguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72686&oldid=57710 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+123) 10/* Language Compiler */ cats
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> 1590161246 978940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72688&oldid=72585 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+54) 10/* C */ changed what the R function did to better reflect the nature of the language.
> 1590161300 554904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72689&oldid=72688 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+12) 10/* Instruction Syntax */
< 1590161457 532457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a category for grossly underspecified languages
< 1590161486 265914 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( and/or wikipedia-style stubs )
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< 1590161628 586016 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We definitely have {{stub}}, I don't know what would make it count as "Wikipedia-style" though
< 1590161637 915769 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. https://esolangs.org/wiki/ESO_sockets
< 1590161660 33750 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is essential no information there other than the name "ESO sockets"
< 1590161664 918052 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*essentially
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< 1590161845 407366 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: we have https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Random to find such articles
< 1590161861 411301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is actually a "Stubs" category, so I used that.
< 1590161915 334724 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think {{stub}} automatically adds the page to the Stubs category fwiw
< 1590161990 686558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. I guess I abused the category then. But it's really the language itself that's stubby, not the article (which is very short but says pretty much everything that can be said).
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< 1590162697 575621 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to write an evaluator for the untyped lambda calculus based on the "Lambda calculus" article on Wikipedia.  It didn't go very well, because the article's idea of a "formal definition" of alpha conversion consists of sentences like "α-conversion is not possible if it would result in a variable getting captured by a different abstraction."
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< 1590162759 592437 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: alpha-conversion is a certain road to insanity ;)
> 1590162868 783317 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72691&oldid=72689 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+52) 10/* Instruction Syntax */
< 1590162942 88991 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a term t, and a variable x, and a variable name FRESH that I'm certain doesn't appear in t, then can't I just walk down t replacing any free instances of x with FRESH, and not descending into any term where x is bound?
< 1590163020 576606 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible.
< 1590163050 778692 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats' what I implemented but I need to test it.
< 1590163060 722654 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, have to be going, ttyl.
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< 1590165685 188944 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1590165880 891963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1590165883 261657 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.
< 1590165904 305825 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a programming language esoteric?
< 1590165909 480042 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :or u trolling me? ;D
< 1590165936 552551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there are esoteric programming languages.
< 1590165940 67851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plural)
< 1590165965 865960 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can programm ghosts and ouija boards and such things or what?
< 1590166030 108214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're programming languages that are unusual, rarely used (hence esoteric), and often outright useless.
< 1590166061 250665 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1590166062 337436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But many of them are still interesting and pose intellectual challenges.
< 1590166093 527117 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the compulsion to order some stuff on the internet
< 1590166097 49 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could i order?
< 1590166112 108058 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier that day i ordered plant seeds
< 1590166151 784486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could order a raspberry pi
< 1590166165 669774 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that?
< 1590166180 802474 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah just googled it
< 1590166183 777314 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol not such stuff
< 1590166190 721340 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that i haveenough laying here
< 1590166196 843420 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually trying to sell it on the internet
< 1590166198 793811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is a programming channel.
< 1590166210 864176 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect this is the best answer you'll get.
< 1590166218 542069 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1590166226 491763 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a programmer too
< 1590166237 200122 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :if PHP is a programming language for you
< 1590166257 894840 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once coded an irc bot with AI only with PHP
< 1590166263 307858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. It's not a nice one... its popularity is a huge mystery :P
< 1590166279 496845 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could talk with him
< 1590166285 381632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low barrier to entry is my guess.
< 1590166287 662052 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he could also learn i think
< 1590166304 528007 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :or she/it whatever
< 1590166318 883511 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :the damn thing is it is on a hard drive that have some failures
< 1590166325 327820 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant be readen
< 1590166326 924521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you prefer to be written in PHP instead of what you are? 
< 1590166327 108411 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: from call to/ argument of memq returns false or a list?
< 1590166355 331983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I was hoping for one of those magical moments.
< 1590166372 436631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1590166372 517468 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
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< 1590166508 598136 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you magical?
< 1590166508 833858 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well. the disk died now and irc is running on sesefras? what was he doing for those 10 months?
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< 1590171297 564031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluuuuh. I was thinking I wouldn't yet need to figure out this Stack thing, because the "apt install xmonad libghc-xmonad-dev libghc-xmonad-contrib-dev cabal-install && cabal update && cabal install dbus-client" approach *has* so far been sufficient to get my preferred environment up and running. But now the last step fails with "Illegal instance declaration for 'Variable String'". :/
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< 1590176675 665344 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144221061.atnat0030.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :kennt wer die antwort von dem witz "was ist der stärkste kleber"?
< 1590176764 998456 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :nein
< 1590176787 132060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping that was the wrong channel
< 1590176841 891799 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that
< 1590176897 923966 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :JB Weld heißt er und gilt als der stärkste Kleber der Welt, der schon vor 30 Jahren in den USA enwickelt und dort, millionenfach verkauft wurde.
< 1590176918 164582 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :find ich nich so witzig
< 1590176989 825997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that looks like a serious answer
< 1590177010 312095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
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< 1590177459 415366 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is look like German to me but I don't know what it is mean
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< 1590177617 928664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so tempting to say that it was a sticky subject and leave it at that. (It was about glue, allegedly there's a joke about the strongest glue. No idea where that came from.)
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< 1590177722 679828 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1590177828 653779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably "Kraftkleber" which is a german term for contact adhesives (which tend to be fairly strong). It's too obvious to be funny.
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> 1590178583 329899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brachylog14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72704&oldid=66517 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+41) 10unsigned
> 1590178643 137399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mama14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72705&oldid=71251 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+59) 10
< 1590178727 113755 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a week or two I write a PEG-like parser-combinator-like parsing code in Python
< 1590178808 9632 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with my new knowledge of lookaheads and cuts I think error productions can handle something like a traditional panic mode, but maybe even better. I haven’t tried yet, I need to implement correct memoization to handle (indirect) left recursion
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< 1590178925 680131 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generator functions came in handy for describing each parser combinator, though I’m still unsure should I raise parsing errors as exceptions or just plainly return them, as currently I don’t use its exceptional nonlocal behavior, just catching each exception right outside the call to the combinator it was raised from
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< 1590179033 766928 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, using generators allows to decouple many things from calls to other combinators, including memoization. Simple packrat memoization then is implemented in ~5 lines, but the trick for allowing left recursion would need a longer addition
< 1590179240 699399 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I’m not totally sure I came up with a correct interplay between “error-production combinators” and lookaheads, and error combinators look hack-ish anyway: they raise an error but inside it sits a return value which needs a special treatment by the trampoline machine which runs all the combinators
> 1590179263 655816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Huby14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72707&oldid=34401 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10/* External resources */ wayback
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< 1590179424 420903 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if we are inside a lookahead, this secret result isn’t taken out and doesn’t supercedes the error, so we can properly fail where it’s semantically a parsing failure. And that hack may even memoize correctly, but I’m still unsure if I hadn’t overlooked something. When all the code will be done, it seems I should write a ton of various tests
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< 1590186810 380325 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :noomy
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< 1590187364 445832 :andrew_gt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: esolang which is physically impossible to run
< 1590187580 50580 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how do you intend to do that? Maybe there are some.
< 1590187594 564513 :andrew_gt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about a quantum esolang
< 1590187611 84983 :andrew_gt!6d5dc807@109-93-200-7.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :which exploits the many-worlds theory to somehow get the program to work properly
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< 1590187659 756061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew_gt: there are some uncomputable esolangs up there. my favourite is (0)
< 1590187976 16374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in europe so I already ate. I ate fish.
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< 1590188444 647619 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that my current plans for typesetting in TeXnicard are sufficient for most card games that you know of?
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< 1590197159 105008 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fnjymaaudbxgzkxo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little arms that can double in size, and can grab each other, and can rotate each other if they find something to grab. Each arm can be programmed to follow a certain repetitive routine. Turing complete?
< 1590197268 471047 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fnjymaaudbxgzkxo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually doubling in size is redundant
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< 1590197309 647077 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fnjymaaudbxgzkxo PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can grab from an infinite pool of arms that pop up from under
< 1590198011 6702 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1590198228 444356 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the description doesn't looks like good enough, maybe
< 1590198265 356980 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :today on "esolang idea or salvia trip description?"
< 1590198644 768227 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :betting on the latter.
< 1590199968 154074 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mumbles something about the time knife
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< 1590200678 767191 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :time.. knife?
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> 1590201681 190064 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ellie 5*  10New user account
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> 1590202176 526242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hanabi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72721&oldid=72375 5* 03Ellie 5* (-4) 10don't know my old account's password - proof @ https://gist.github.com/elyatai/c361fabc5c1eb7ea5eb787ed8827e6a7
< 1590204153 897886 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time knife is that?
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< 1590205552 910757 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.redd.it/bn48fm9zzab21.png
< 1590205636 958785 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree the language with the arms is under-specified, but it sounds plausibly turing complete
< 1590205769 808476 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 1D array of automata each of which can 1) follow a finite-state program 2) communicate with its neighbors and 3) spawn additional automata at the ends can implement a Turing machine
< 1590205928 469965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still depends on what kind of operations the "routine" has.
< 1590205950 575777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it sounded as if the finite state program was rather restricted)
< 1590206081 870562 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I thought too
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< 1590207319 422121 :Antebrationist!ca9a8542@202-154-133-66.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any thoughts about Xylochloron's idea for the fever dream machine?
< 1590208284 923385 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure of what is that idea; maybe I forgot
< 1590208301 142780 :Antebrationist!ca9a8542@202-154-133-66.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little arms that can double in size, and can grab each other, and can rotate each other if they find something to grab. Each arm can be programmed to follow a certain repetitive routine. Turing complete?
< 1590208340 508624 :Antebrationist!ca9a8542@202-154-133-66.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it, doesn't it. Given the complexity of the system, it's probably close to TC.
< 1590208367 150877 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I think the description is not enough to know yet.
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< 1590210485 418185 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description of net.bizarre says "This is not a newsgroup."
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> 1590211254 949430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ellie14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72722 5* 03Ellie 5* (+977) 10Created page with "= User:Ellie =  I'm a fan of syntactically simple but computationally interesting languages, rather than those that just feel like subsets of Forth with single-char instructio..."
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< 1590213514 922471 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/Untitled_4  What are the bounds for the largest number that can be computed for a program of X commands, and is there an efficient algorithm to construct such a program?
< 1590213769 437063 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks very interesting
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< 1590215498 478487 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements earth
< 1590215499 125958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "earth".
< 1590215505 235736 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements aether
< 1590215505 883250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "aether".
< 1590215510 232539 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1590215561 324035 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements dineutron
< 1590215562 131645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "dineutron".
< 1590215624 598971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( aaagmnr )
< 1590216272 357068 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: `@help eval` writes a good thing but as `eval` is also a module name, that hides the name of the command to show active bindings, IIRC that existed. I can’t remember its name at all :′(
< 1590216297 475843 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements aaagmnr
< 1590216298 213418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "aaagmnr".
< 1590216320 89865 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements hydrargyrum
< 1590216320 861501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "hydrargyrum".
< 1590216355 733179 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements ammonium
< 1590216356 572063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "ammonium".
< 1590216374 310063 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there’s definitely something wrong with that dictionary
< 1590216400 606158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: nah there's no such command
< 1590216404 294551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where L.hs
< 1590216404 332911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lambdabot has in scope is at http://silicon.int-e.eu/lambdabot/State/Pristine.hs
< 1590216431 751737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the closest you'll find and it doesn't include any additions using @let
< 1590216446 78325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements K
< 1590216446 988577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "K".
< 1590216467 306815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@devil lawyer
< 1590216468 398173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "lawyer" devil "The Devil's Dictionary (1881-1906)"
< 1590216468 398212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWYER, n.  One skilled in circumvention of the law.
< 1590216468 440628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1590216473 700585 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> @where L.hs => nice
< 1590216525 773741 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked this one, don’t remember who showed me it:
< 1590216529 862151 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@devil mie
< 1590216530 698256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "mie".
< 1590216530 861631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elements is another thing in the `dict` group... hmm
< 1590216534 861015 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@devil die
< 1590216535 686547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "die" devil "The Devil's Dictionary (1881-1906)"
< 1590216535 729927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE, n.  The singular of "dice."  We seldom hear the word, because
< 1590216535 729975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a prohibitory proverb, "Never say die."  At long intervals,
< 1590216535 729988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, some one says:  "The die is cast," which is not true, for it
< 1590216535 730000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cut.  The word is found in an immortal couplet by that eminent poet
< 1590216537 689011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines]
< 1590216543 7413 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1590216543 45501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :and domestic economist, Senator Depew:
< 1590216543 83567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1590216543 693855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    A cube of cheese no larger than a die
< 1590216545 696303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    May bait the trap to catch a nibbling mie.
< 1590216547 698003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1590216566 238213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements potassium
< 1590216567 396626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "potassium" elements "The Elements (07Nov00)"
< 1590216567 396707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :potassium
< 1590216567 396722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol: K
< 1590216567 396733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomic number: 19
< 1590216567 396746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomic weight: 39.0983
< 1590216569 385032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[6 @more lines]
< 1590216586 117615 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: honestly @elements hydrogen works, as does @elements neutron :D
< 1590216592 763872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it;s an extra package in debian: dict-elements
< 1590216599 269633 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you’re already
< 1590216602 660976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I just installed
< 1590216657 95338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall anybody every complaining about this.
< 1590216668 692586 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though neutron is a sane element, I don’t disagree. If dineutron existed, it would be its isotope)
< 1590216694 956768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@element oganesson
< 1590216695 920501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "oganesson".
< 1590216700 710699 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@element oganeson
< 1590216701 355606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "oganeson".
< 1590216705 867566 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha? :D
< 1590216755 225457 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I’m not being too serious usuallu
< 1590216758 157334 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y*
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< 1590216877 51380 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the `dict` thingies all look things up online but apparently that's not true for @elements
< 1590217452 267500 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements rutherfordium
< 1590217453 429350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "rutherfordium" elements "The Elements (07Nov00)"
< 1590217453 484868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :rutherfordium
< 1590217453 484908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol: Rf
< 1590217453 484922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Competing name for {unnilquadium}, the 104th element, proposed by the
< 1590217453 484936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :American Chemical Society. Also competing name for {unnilhexium}
< 1590217455 441470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3 @more lines]
< 1590217487 692137 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1590217487 730255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 106th element, proposed by the IUPAC. Finally in 1997 the IUPAC
< 1590217487 730301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided to use Rutherfordium as the official name of the 104th element.
< 1590217487 768332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1590217504 345529 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements seaborgium
< 1590217505 288237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "seaborgium" elements "The Elements (07Nov00)"
< 1590217505 288279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :seaborgium
< 1590217505 329383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name proposed for the 106th element ({unnilhexium}) by the American
< 1590217505 329421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemical Society in honor of Gleen T. Seaborg, an American nuclear
< 1590217505 329429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicist and Nobel prize winner.
< 1590217507 290383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
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< 1590217679 749563 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@elements unnilhexium
< 1590217680 886844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "unnilhexium" elements "The Elements (07Nov00)"
< 1590217680 925252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnilhexium
< 1590217680 925350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol:
< 1590217680 925364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomic number: 106
< 1590217680 925378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomic weight: (263)
< 1590217682 866886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines]
< 1590217685 205313 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1590217685 243493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-life of 0.9 +/- 0.2 s. Discovered by the Joint Institute for
< 1590217686 893022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuclear
< 1590217688 870333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Research at Dubna (U.S.S.R.) in June of 1974. Its existence was
< 1590217690 875296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed
< 1590217692 897081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory and Livermore National Laboratory in
< 1590217694 876186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :September of 1974.
< 1590217696 878483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
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< 1590218197 615482 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the name of the esoteric programming language that I made up and mentioned recently?
< 1590218220 902805 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So far I didn't put the name, but once it is, then it can be moved to the main name space.)
< 1590218465 222039 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/QuestForOmniscience is free
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> 1590222596 950735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Arseniiv14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72725&oldid=72492 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+450) 10thanks
> 1590222696 631689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Arseniiv14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72726&oldid=72725 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+28) 10topicalized this
< 1590222813 198150 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> https://esolangs.org/wiki/QuestForOmniscience is free => . o O ( DisbeliefOfSuspense? )
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< 1590230705 570515 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@089144220198.atnat0029.highway.webapn.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :really day begins fantastic... get waked up by toothaches, then the keyboard flies on the floor together with the coffee, coffee on they keyboard, then cannot finda lighter for cigarillo
< 1590231328 888339 :andrewtheircer!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590231339 474340 :andrewtheircer!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :followup on my "impossibleso" idea
< 1590231362 715736 :andrewtheircer!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program is a substitution system
< 1590231392 91255 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590231431 423110 :andrewtheircer!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it would ever reach a state which is declared invalid, then it retroactively replaces its starting generation with the most similarly evolving program which doesn't error
< 1590231563 681948 :andrewtheircer!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it just mangles your universe's physical constants to change history, and therefore, change you to code its rules differently
< 1590231573 783327 :andrewtheircer!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that this state is not invalid
< 1590232171 737509 :Mysteryhunter_!~Thunderbi@089144220198.atnat0029.highway.webapn.at JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1590232449 183439 :andrewtheircer79!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs NICK :andrewtheircer_
< 1590232451 850523 :andrewtheircer_!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1590233177 560585 :andrewtheircer_!6d5dc9cd@109-93-201-205.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
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> 1590235274 153535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72727&oldid=72719 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+172) 10
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> 1590236473 787932 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72728&oldid=72727 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1109) 10/* Normal mode and funcmode */
> 1590237020 629180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Movesum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72729&oldid=72684 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+158) 10/* Infinite numeric cat */
> 1590237036 554067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Movesum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72730&oldid=72729 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* Syntax and Semantics */
> 1590237045 597357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Movesum14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72731&oldid=72730 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* Rest of the program */
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> 1590238793 752654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72732&oldid=72728 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+448) 10/* Examples */
> 1590238970 453115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Object-oriented paradigm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72733&oldid=50672 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-41) 10rm cat
> 1590239016 516241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72734&oldid=72732 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+152) 10/* Using variables */ cats
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< 1590241384 636062 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213.147.164.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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> 1590257364 216418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eval14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72747 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+999) 10Created page with "{{PageWIP}} '''Eval''' is a stack-based esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Memory== Eval uses two stacks, the ''left stack'' and the ''right stack'', as well as a..."
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> 1590262379 794834 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MdX14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72748 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+1130) 10Created page with ":''The title of this article is incorrect because of technical limitations. The correct title is '''mdX'''.''  '''mdX''' is a family of languages created in the Esolangs Disco..."
> 1590262432 510735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MdX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72749&oldid=72748 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+2) 10
> 1590262480 659709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MdX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72750&oldid=72749 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+22) 10
> 1590262498 1344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MdX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72751&oldid=72750 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+6) 10
> 1590262535 224950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MdX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72752&oldid=72751 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+24) 10
> 1590262716 392753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MdX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72753&oldid=72752 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (-171) 10
> 1590262780 915875 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MdX14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72754&oldid=72753 5* 03Andrew3335 5* (+71) 10
> 1590262819 962613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Palaiologos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72755&oldid=72229 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+0) 10
> 1590263326 975294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig straight down like an idiot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72756&oldid=72665 5* 03Emerald 5* (+420) 10Response
> 1590263348 932022 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig straight down like an idiot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72757&oldid=72756 5* 03Emerald 5* (+1) 10/* Issues */
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< 1590266539 181641 :andrew_xkcd_hate!6d5dc9ee@109-93-201-238.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs NICK :andrew_esolang
< 1590266632 260994 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ee@109-93-201-238.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :new esolang idea: golfing esolang which takes the empty stringas input
< 1590266638 173177 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ee@109-93-201-238.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes the current unix time
< 1590266654 114326 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ee@109-93-201-238.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :and executes its digits as some other language
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< 1590267495 629572 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unix timestamp is way to short for that, but there are probably golfing sites that allow you to set the time to make some solutions shorter
< 1590267534 191226 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ee@109-93-201-238.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ISO-8601 date and 24 hour time, concatenated
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> 1590267986 796961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eval14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72758&oldid=72747 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+847) 10
> 1590268033 926838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eval14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72759&oldid=72758 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10/* Hello, World! */ cats
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> 1590269451 634946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72760&oldid=72743 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+59) 10/* Languages */
> 1590269499 787748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72761&oldid=72735 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Infinite cat */
> 1590270502 714948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72762&oldid=72653 5* 03Emerald 5* (+437) 10More of me
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> 1590272313 961682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72763&oldid=72762 5* 03Emerald 5* (+610) 10Proposal
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< 1590275561 935985 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1590275761 746239 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1590276654 213942 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
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> 1590277975 127417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72764&oldid=72648 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+30) 10Fixed fizzbuzz example
> 1590278275 560260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07There Once was an Esolang Named Fred14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72765 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+1941) 10created page
> 1590278463 690672 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07There Once was an Esolang Named Fred14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72766&oldid=72765 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+9) 10
> 1590278486 314129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07There Once was an Esolang Named Fred14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72767&oldid=72766 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (-12) 10
> 1590278604 65263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fred14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72768 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+50) 10Redirected page to [[There Once was an Esolang Named Fred]]
< 1590278796 690039 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there actually any german speaking/understanding  here?
< 1590278851 190112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wegian
< 1590278853 317399 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). There's also the hypothetical Gal, which hasn't been observed yet so we're not sure where it's from.
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< 1590279464 631755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg wegian
< 1590279466 594302 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :9774:2016-11-26 <oerjän> learn_append wegian There\'s also the hypothetical Gal, which hasn\'t been observed yet so we\'re not sure where it\'s from. \ 8971:2016-08-24 <hppavilion[1̈]> learn A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). \ 8315:2016-06-04 <shachäf> rm wisdom/wegian \ 8314:2016-06-04 <shachäf> sedlast s/member/regular/ \ 8313:2016-06-
< 1590279479 432091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 dowg wegian
< 1590279482 132328 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:-06-04 <shachäf> learn A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric members. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham).
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> 1590280658 337664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Interprogck814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72769&oldid=72740 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+170) 10/* Dice roll */
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< 1590281028 74473 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wannajoin our new channel  #MysteryNewsTV feel free to
< 1590281065 44103 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you discussing there?
< 1590281079 265277 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything  mystery
< 1590281081 930127 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also esoteric
< 1590281130 761594 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we havent many users there yet thats why I asked to come over
< 1590283090 105384 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1590283091 555021 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.
< 1590283112 366162 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had to dig through my scrollback for this)
< 1590283670 75326 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i confused that again
< 1590283682 217477 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can join
< 1590283704 1876 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talkin bout any kind of stuff
< 1590283709 554590 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not esoteric o
< 1590283721 199753 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not esoteric i justmean
< 1590283772 289921 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not esoteric i just meant if u wanna talk about esoteric we also do we keep with anything  interresting
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< 1590283819 450096 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not esoteric i just meant if u wanna talk about esoteric we also can talk about it  we do we keep with anything interresting 
< 1590283864 352846 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not esoteric i just meant if u wanna talk about esoteric we also can talk about it  we keep with anything interresting
< 1590283889 387219 :Antebrationist!ca9a8425@202-154-132-37.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I've made a little progress on the MTG fermat's last theorem.
< 1590283893 488379 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the message is finally right
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< 1590294728 60495 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is IINL^[IINL(3)](0) compared with Skewes's number and other big numbers like that?
< 1590294733 287524 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1590294823 378283 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's IINL stand for?
< 1590294992 750436 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increment in nested loops
< 1590295068 867507 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a link to the function definition?
< 1590295222 914549 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Article <1589825967.bystand@zzo38computer.org> on sci.math gives a description. I also described it before on this IRC (although I didn't call it "IINL" yet by that time).
< 1590295284 219290 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a number of nested "repeat X times" loops where the number of nesting is the initial value of X (the input of the function), and inside of the innermost loop is "increment X" command. The output is the final value of X after all of those loops are finished.
< 1590295572 132393 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IINL(x) = f_omega(x) in the fast-growing hierarchy, if my understanding is correct
< 1590295700 982598 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I thought (or at least its Grzegorczyk index is omega), although I have not proven this.
< 1590295855 895347 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means  IINL^[IINL(3)](0) lies between f_{omega+1}(3) and f_{omega+1}(f_{omega}(3)) (haven't done the full calculation)
< 1590295989 976140 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK.
< 1590296183 252623 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we let f_0(x) = x+1 and f_k(x) be defined by repeat X times { x := f_{k-1}(x) } then f_k(x) = f_{k-1}^x(x) which is the definition of FGH
< 1590296315 248189 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. That makes sense now
< 1590297979 369822 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when you get into infinite ordinals, then what? Some ordinals are limit ordinals and have no predecessor.
< 1590298143 854892 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each ordinal alpha is assigned a fundamental sequence -- a sequence of ordinals which is increasing and has limit alpha
< 1590298181 781686 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the fundamental sequence for omega (for the Wainer hierarchy) is given by omega[n] = n
< 1590298188 669746 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, f_omega(n) = f_n(n)
< 1590298246 489009 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we have f_{omega+1}(n) = f_{omega}^{n}(n) and so on
< 1590298276 302195 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
< 1590298484 751631 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I expected that f_{omega+1}(n) = f_{omega}^{n}(n), just I didn't know how to do according to your definition when a limit ordinal is involved because you defined it in terms of its predecessor and a limit ordinal has no predecessor.
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< 1590354974 869889 :baidicoot!~baidicoot@cpc85742-newc19-2-0-cust179.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one go about relabeling a language so that it *vaguely, kind of* represents natural language? any tips/references?
< 1590355087 908791 :baidicoot!~baidicoot@cpc85742-newc19-2-0-cust179.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, `multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation`?
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< 1590355918 773947 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :baidicoot: There is a category on the wiki called psuedonatural. That might be a good place to start.
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> 1590357241 829570 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Term rewriting metalanguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72826&oldid=72825 5* 03Orby 5* (+15) 10/* Examples */
> 1590357466 821153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Term rewriting metalanguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72827&oldid=72826 5* 03Orby 5* (+8) 10/* As a Thue extension */
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< 1590358625 435263 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any language/esolang that consists exclusively of parentheses? don't say lisp. :P
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< 1590359183 180729 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: brainfuck. it has three types of parenthesis: [] <> and +-
< 1590359242 86661 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Incident, where every identifier appears three times like < | > with the three doing different things, and they match up and know where the other two are
< 1590359305 275518 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I guess I should specify: balanced parentheses.
< 1590359321 124364 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other characters other than ( and ).
< 1590359446 151166 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ and - aren't strictly balanced, neither are < and >.
< 1590360535 431876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/() -- it's not the easiest-to-parse description, but looking at the JS implementation, it looks somewhat likely that it requires the balance.
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< 1590362263 28657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I guess you could consider Amicus, since its only data types is (finite) lists that can have any length and can have any list at every element, so if you write them with just parenthesis without the commas it's unambiguous, and any balanced parenthesis sequence is a valid object
< 1590362278 790280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some of them won't work as programs, but you can only find that out in runtime)
< 1590362321 768552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are some undefined cases in the syntax that could be used for extensions, but you can't predict without running the program if you run onto one, and any object is valid as data)
< 1590362355 871694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amycus even more so, because it has some operations to compose lists
< 1590362485 377011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still can't decompose lists, so you mostly use them to compose lists that happen to be parts of programs
< 1590362489 341274 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1590362509 167806 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat!
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< 1590363132 257568 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be hard? () = S, ()() or (()) = K, anything else braces.
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< 1590363342 541185 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, apparently Amycus does have some ways to deconstruct lists (if you have a bound on their length)
< 1590363357 50664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how that works. probably magic.
< 1590363481 25859 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the guy who did the postfix/"forth-like" combinatory logic interpreter still here?
< 1590363695 811623 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am
< 1590363718 405970 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :made any progress with it?
< 1590363750 967653 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. See the skiforth page. There is now a bootable iso.
< 1590363795 817355 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. what made you use postfix instead of prefix?
< 1590363880 931323 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I''ve since moved on to so called concatenative combinators, which are better suited for the task (see clementine). I used postfix because I thought it worked more nicely with the forth-like word definitions.
< 1590363978 554038 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, are you intending on using quotes or stringing stuff together via apply.
< 1590364022 764606 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :The later. It has a strong postfix unlambda feel to it.
< 1590364118 574614 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting.
< 1590364125 685154 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though at this point I really consider skiforth an intellectual stepping stone to clementine, which I find much more elegant
< 1590364170 358115 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :been trying to find the "elegance" in combinators lately, concatenative or otherwise.
< 1590364206 388047 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :As skiforth doesn't support arbitrary stack manipulation, but clementine does while maintaining roughly the same level of simplicity
< 1590364218 646870 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like combinators
< 1590364236 349897 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the headspace for them, I guess.
< 1590364290 763198 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it useful to think of them as term rewriting languages
< 1590364361 496807 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to reconcile the imperative part of my brain with the expression-oriented part of my brain and then tack combinators on to that is a hassle. I have a rewriting language but I don't like it, because it presupposes the idea of lists of things.
< 1590364447 669166 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started with lambda calculus and learned combinators as a simplification of that, which I think is an easier step to take
< 1590364582 325215 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working on something that I think is going to end up being a term rewriting extension to thue
< 1590364598 888437 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd like my language then.
< 1590364621 761249 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have anything documented?
< 1590364626 320556 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec.
< 1590364631 499330 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :will give you my sketch.
< 1590364647 238364 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1590364690 117063 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hatebin.com/nfyprzklqo
< 1590364749 823823 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://repl.it/repls/ShorttermGrimProjections
< 1590364771 751496 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rewrite language in the style of thue (no vars, just replacement rules).
< 1590364840 314345 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely not a pretty language, but you can do some interesting things in it.
< 1590364855 445562 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, you can define what `if` and `if/else` are.
< 1590364863 454610 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, hopping in the car but will read shortly. Here's what I'm working on https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Orby/Term_rewriting_metalanguage
< 1590364870 130756 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :been reading that.
< 1590364874 168594 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks neat.
< 1590364964 888718 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if is just `def [true if] [rapply] def [false if] [rdrop]`
< 1590364988 379575 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if/else is `def [true if/else] [rapply rdrop rswap] def [false if/else] [rapply rdrop]`
< 1590365112 512785 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not satisfying because you still have all those pre-defined things in the way. I guess I just like stuff like Thue more because you have no assumptions other than "I will replace this thing with this other thing at random".
< 1590365150 115008 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of chaos on a 1D line, you can enforce order.
< 1590365154 694185 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hatebin link is not loading. Confirm?
< 1590365181 47193 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :loading for me.
< 1590365203 898362 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, will try again
< 1590365765 339772 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate to be a bother, but could you post it somewhere else? I really want to read what you're working on but hatebin in timing out for me.
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< 1590366569 434849 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: ping
< 1590366618 888596 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong.
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< 1590366689 123324 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/raw/dcYx4u1i
< 1590366698 241890 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird that hatebin is timing out.
< 1590366739 822903 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely, thank you reading now
< 1590366893 559818 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem is that there's way too many assumptions baked into the interpreter here.
< 1590367003 815625 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a "rewriting language" if you aren't utilizing the rewriting part of it any further than base cases.
< 1590367099 984162 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-253.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see spruit's language as a "term rewriting language" either, even though he claims it's a term rewriting language
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< 1590367864 220654 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not satisfying to write in a language with pre-baked assumptions. it's more fun to build those things.
< 1590368070 799348 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: What you have there reminds me a lot of concatenative combinators
< 1590368127 988343 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. it kinda just popped out.
< 1590368129 698893 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read the paper by Brent Kirby? I think you'd find use for it here
< 1590368150 437471 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very accessible too
< 1590368155 741376 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concatenative Calculus?
< 1590368165 690500 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory of concatenative combinators, I take it.
< 1590368175 614905 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1590368183 399426 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I've been all around the concatenative scene.
< 1590368208 512400 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotcha, I've only stumbled onto it recently
< 1590368266 234270 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting idea. the language (and interpreter) has left and right-handed versions of all of the combinators (dup swap drop quote cat call).
< 1590368287 483001 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me like what you need is a good basis to work with
< 1590368294 771607 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't strike me as satisfying.
< 1590368307 996602 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pre-suppose things and quoted lists of things.
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< 1590368368 602261 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you'd prefer to build those lists out of some other primitive?
< 1590368408 198771 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see where you're coming from
< 1590368410 168111 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I suppose.
< 1590368435 800076 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you distinguish between two kinds of "symbols": compound ones that form lists, and individual ones, that do work on the symbols to the left and right.
< 1590368504 836381 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what you''re calling symbol I would call term?
< 1590368521 72906 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess.
< 1590368540 615334 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be sure, I don't know what you'd call a term. to me, a term is, essentially, just a tree.
< 1590368578 412210 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call a term something you can define with one line of bnf
< 1590368606 171513 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this context
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< 1590372814 201586 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-10-97.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry  gotta part  channel for a while at  least
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< 1590382903 584836 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make global variables in unnamed unions in C?
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< 1590384017 38877 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you want a union as a global variable?
< 1590384434 281075 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want a unnamed union as a global variable. GNU C supports unnamed structs and unions inside of other structs and unions.
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< 1590385429 490134 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can just do it the same way you declare an unnamed struct as a global variable. assuming you don't want to name the type.
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< 1590385849 732473 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One consideration to make in TeXnicard is kerning/ligatures between accented characters (if the precomposed character isn't already in the font). I think TeX does not attempt it at all, although I have a bit different idea.
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< 1590386096 374199 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is that ligatures between accented characters are still disabled, although kerns are sometimes acceptable. A positive kern always works; a negative kern will only be used if the height and depth of the characters involved is such that the unaccented character will not move closer to the accent mark if the height and depth of the unaccented character does not reach the position of the accent mark.
< 1590386117 254777 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this seem reasonable enough?
< 1590386272 239471 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also have ideas about how to do precomposed accented characters, which might or might not have associated glyphs; if they don't, they will be decomposed when it is time to print them.)
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< 1590399407 798238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? device
< 1590399410 137691 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :A device is a browser session. Please verify your device.
< 1590399700 615851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0x22, 0xdc
< 1590399702 174802 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 22 dc   mov %rsp,%cr3
< 1590399842 479336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0x22, 0110
< 1590399845 978113 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 22 48   mov %rax,%cr1
< 1590399846 775945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0x22, 0210
< 1590399848 612657 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 22 88   mov %rax,%cr1
< 1590399849 454547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0x22, 0310
< 1590399850 838915 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 22 c8   mov %rax,%cr1
< 1590399851 505820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1590399916 876487 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov %rsp,%cr3 sounds adventerous
< 1590400014 906236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had it in my HackEso /msg window from a while ago. Not sure what was going on there.
< 1590400027 921509 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those 3 all valid?
< 1590400055 201122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0x22, 0010
< 1590400056 164777 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 22 08   mov %rax,%cr1
< 1590400081 862543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/mov-1 says "0F 22 /r MOV CR0–CR7, r64"
< 1590400094 171449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess so?
< 1590400164 229035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1590400212 362887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm mov %rax, %cr1
< 1590400217 912375 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 22 c8   mov %rax,%cr1
< 1590400220 965003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm mov %rax, %cr8
< 1590400223 938983 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  44 0f 22 c0   mov %rax,%cr8
< 1590400265 483428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0x22, 0300
< 1590400266 801434 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 22 c0   mov %rax,%cr0
< 1590400311 235342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that makes sense, actually.
< 1590400324 996356 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590400327 174246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a different instruction listed for CR8 and I was, like, whoa, dude, but it's just extended with a REX bit as usual.
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< 1590400493 357683 :Mysteryhunter_!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net NICK :Mysteryhunter
< 1590400516 62732 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 re global variables in unnamed unions in C => you can't. nor can you make function-local variables in unnamed union as the top level. I looked that up once. the workaround, as you'd expect, is to use a named union.
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< 1590400571 6965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is some sneaky C preprocessor trickery: https://gist.github.com/pkhuong/8e575dcade519d42436a302e9c8a5844#file-test-c
< 1590400608 371899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think you could do that.
< 1590400680 257098 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 re ligatures on accented characters => for latin and greek scripts, in natural languages we just precomposed characters for every possible accented combination, even when it's 138 or so Vietnamese letters. 
< 1590400739 610178 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unless you want to write stuff that only goes into linguists writing about phonetics, with accented characters that you'd only put in a dictionary or scholarly article, in which case they're screwed and we don't care.
< 1590400800 534300 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still some hackery with sets of accented letters that are considered the same unicode character but have a different appearance or different case folding rules depending on which language it's used for.
< 1590400919 59717 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are tricky, ideally you treat them as glyph variants for the same character that have a default glyph that depends on the language, but they cause annoyance because you have to define extra APIs that you only ever use if you typeset vietnamese or turkish or serbian/macedonian cyrillic words.
< 1590400974 842052 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The serbian/macedonian thing may have been a mistake IMO; with the turkish you're screwed no matter what you do; and I don't have an opinion about vietnamese.
< 1590401749 835929 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/MysteryNewsTV/status/1264861721023438848
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< 1590402019 526690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: that seems to be unironic, so you have the wrong channel
< 1590402033 482458 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Mysteryhunter
< 1590402035 453765 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Mysteryhunter: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13<https://esolangs.org/>. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.)
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< 1590402274 258351 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you think its unironic?
< 1590402283 319930 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont understand the symbolism
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< 1590403966 669951 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does EVERYONE have to invent their own representation for the enum type that can represent one of the IEEE 754 rounding modes? x86 uses 0=nearest, 1=down, 2=up, 3=zero; MMIX rA register uses 0=nearest, 1=zero, 2=up, 3=down, but the Z argument of instructions uses 1=nearest, 2=up, 3=down, 4=zero; the MPFR library uses 0=nearest, 1=zero, 2=up,
< 1590403967 169569 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3=down, 4=away from zero, 5=faithful; Bellard's libraries use 0=nearest, 1=zero, 2=down, 3=up, 4=C round, 5=away from zero, 6=faithful.
< 1590404034 14427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( round to zero is the easiest to implement )
< 1590404036 57821 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't people just copy whatever the earliest representation was, such as the 80287, at least for the four standard modes? 
< 1590404049 9230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: *to*, not *towards*.
< 1590404119 143264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out what "faithful" is... round to even on a tie?
< 1590404139 354411 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know. nearest is actually round to nearest with ties to even; down is round towards minus infinity; up is round towards plus infinity; zero is round towards zero; 
< 1590404180 896472 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: faithful is non-deterministically round towards plus infinity or towards minus infinity, depending on the input values
< 1590404189 930692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1590404214 41369 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a weird optimization that may or may not be useful in some cases, especially for transcendent functions
< 1590404215 90609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 with probability <fractional part>
< 1590404236 155350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somthing like that that's correct in the expected value?
< 1590404252 126523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1590404288 111121 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C round is actually round to nearest but ties away from zero, this is used for only one fucking legacy case, the "round" function in C, which is a function that nobody uses or should use, but it was in K&R so we can't get rid of it
< 1590404355 232863 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, not correct in the expected value, it's nondeterministic in the sense that it returns whichever is convenient to optimize the function globally (for every possible input argument)
< 1590404363 865239 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't try to be correct in expected value
< 1590404394 587717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, sounds murky
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< 1590404967 264441 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's one more possible rounding mode not represented here, MIX rounding, which means round to nearest, but round ties to even unless the floating point exponent base is divisible by 4, in which case round to odd instead.
> 1590405070 606272 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Baidicoot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72837 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+111) 10Created page with "== Swedway == This is pain. -- ~~~~"
< 1590405105 589019 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is also one of the legacy modes that don't come up anymore, because everyone uses floating point with exponent base of either 2 or 10, in which case it's just the normal round to nearest with ties to even mode.
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< 1590405814 474280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type \ä -> ä
< 1590405815 951412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :p -> p
< 1590406201 27902 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ARMv8 floating point control register FPCR apparently uses 0=nearest, 1=up, 2=down, 3=zero, the same as the MMIX control register rA.
< 1590406518 934308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \ä -> ä == ()
< 1590406519 15507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <unknown>.hs:1:3:Parse error: �
< 1590406662 947345 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: I wonder if that's a coincidence or not
< 1590406701 487313 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: there are only so many ways you can sanely encode these four modes to two bits
< 1590406707 239784 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair
< 1590406725 457693 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't understand is where Bellard's code got that representation
< 1590406742 990049 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although wait, that part of the code doesn't originate from Bellard
< 1590406750 347714 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the original author, let me check
< 1590406814 309467 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait, this gets more complicated
< 1590407054 414182 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey man do you also have this problem with some guys in IRC which makes me just going nuts
< 1590407085 513769 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, apparently the small softfp is by Bellard, and it uses 0=nearest, 1=zero, 2=down, 3=up, and this is also what Bellard's libbf uses (with extra modes); but the larger qemu softfloat by John R. Hauser, which if I understand is derived from the smaller one, uses 0=nearest, 1=down, 2=up, 3=zero, 4=C round, which is the same as x86's encoding, so
< 1590407086 2349 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense.
< 1590407086 127424 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1590407110 883672 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't explain where Bellard got those values from
< 1590407148 534703 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like dumb people trying to provocate me or insulting me or such things
< 1590407189 200403 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: i think this is the wrong channel for that kind of discussion :p
< 1590407280 677493 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also mutually incompatible single-letter abbreviations: N sometimes means nearest, sometimes means down (as in towards Negative infinity)
< 1590407485 764482 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll avoid single-letter abbreviations
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< 1590408054 738731 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, this is crazy. I've seen small enums that were encoded in two incompatible ways, and larger enums (like errno or signals or unix system calls) encoded in multiple ways, but this enum with four values mapped to 0..3 in three ways takes the cake
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< 1590412404 843023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: a while back, there was a situation where someone was trying to sell a commercial derivative of some GPL'ed code, and they had (as legally required) released the source, so I tried to get it to compile but the toolchain was insane
< 1590412416 186205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost managed to do so, but with the issue that I couldn't link in libm without everything breaking
< 1590412423 765039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead, I reimplemented all the libm functions it was using
< 1590412437 590719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them was round; I replaced round(x) with (int)(x+0.5)
< 1590412492 65880 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version of GPL?
< 1590412530 656898 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't matter for this
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< 1590412573 9431 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want a problem
< 1590412598 2822 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put 3*n balls in box A. there are 3 boxes. in step k you must move k balls to another box.
< 1590412607 486635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably isn't quite mathematically perfect but should be close enough
< 1590412608 874064 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by step n you can have n balls in each box
< 1590412622 289597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: 1, but indeed it doesn't matter much
< 1590412623 23522 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n>=5
< 1590412638 648857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 would be relevant in that if the build instructions were insufficient, the derivative would be illegal
< 1590412642 777926 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a GPL1? I thought they numbered it from 2
< 1590412657 389092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was, it isn't used any more, it's really buggy
< 1590412666 183537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure there was a single standardised version of it
< 1590412676 143242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather lots of tweaked versions, a little like MIT and BSD nowadays
< 1590412676 181102 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good
< 1590412682 310143 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one Tetris clone licensed under GPL1, back when it was new
< 1590412802 452591 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'd like is an MIT-like license, that is, just a sticky disclaimer of warranties, but with the special property that where it allows anyone to redistribute identical or derived versions, it explicitly says "perpetual worldwide" or words to such effect.
< 1590412833 548621 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm uneasy by the licences not stating those explicitly, I'm worried that it will bite *someone* *somewhere* eventually
< 1590412884 469225 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't the x+0.5 method of round have trouble with negatives?
< 1590412903 526184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: ah right, I think it does
< 1590412910 982275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. -2.2 would round to -1 which is obviously wrong
< 1590412920 797425 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: yes, and also with numbers larger than an int, but presumably that didn't matter in the particular source code file that ais edited
< 1590412922 177846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the number in question was always positive
< 1590413018 441598 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, on a different note: Texas Instruments is pulling support for assembly programs on the TI-84 Plus
< 1590413032 183498 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :new versions of the OS will no longer support ASM programs
< 1590413033 917882 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI--
< 1590413036 601125 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: what exactly would "pulling support" mean?
< 1590413043 815206 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: they no longer run.
< 1590413066 895186 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're removing the functionality entirely
< 1590413089 410335 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make them run at all? like, you have to root your calculator before you can even technically run one, as opposed to they just aren't willing to give help and documentation and tell you to run them at your own risk?
< 1590413102 271498 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to roll back the OS or use a different OS, yes.
< 1590413124 540476 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1590413144 836158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by asm do you mean actual asm, or do you mean machine code?
< 1590413155 256870 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a money-back guarantee with this, where you can get your money back if you claim that you bought the calculator because you wanted to run machine code programs too and get updates?
< 1590413165 530122 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: machine code. The official OS has no assembler.
< 1590413177 410113 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: I haven't a clue
< 1590413203 138532 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the security keys for the OS have been an open secret for a long time now
< 1590413214 187097 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "rooting" the device isn't very hard
< 1590413244 734261 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim they did this to prevent cheating, but imo it doesn't really change anything at all
< 1590413266 299674 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1590413594 15472 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone want to play nim?
< 1590413600 555202 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:3 B:5 C:2
< 1590413602 98410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nim is a solved game, isn't it?
< 1590413618 822321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:3 B:1 C:2 is I believe the correct solution there
< 1590413631 595829 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:1 B:1 C:2
< 1590413631 633893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of whether you're playing "all-zeroes wins" or "all-zeroes loses"
< 1590413641 806100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I need to know the victory condition to play my next move
< 1590413653 288631 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose
< 1590413671 789581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all-zeroes wins, I play A:1 B:1 C:0
< 1590413695 861719 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:0 B:1 C:0
< 1590413701 979544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:0 B:0 C:0
< 1590413706 958632 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1590413707 75718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win
< 1590413749 245574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like knowing the solution to a solved game is the sort of skill that could come in handy if you could persuade other people to play it for money, or the like
< 1590413771 858632 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was surprised you knew a winning move regardless of win condition
< 1590413819 956871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only matters at the point when the winning move is to reduce the board to some number of 1s and some number of 0s
< 1590413839 887787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time you do that, you're reducing a 2 or higher (otherwise the board would be in the some-number-of-1s-some-number-of-0s situation already)
< 1590413851 826372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so depending the win condition you reduce it to either a 0 or a 1 to produce an odd or an even number of 1s
< 1590413870 347434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* depending on the win condition
< 1590413897 889405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all the previous moves, the win condition doesn't matter because if you give the opponent the opportunity to reduce to just 1s and 0s you've lost anyway
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< 1590414383 30260 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think unqualified Num means the game where all zeroes wins, and there's some fancy name for the one where all zeroes loses
< 1590414477 306619 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I've read the solution for all zeroes loses once, but I didn't really remember it, so I couldn't have given the winning moves for that for certain
< 1590414481 228812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "misere" with an accent, but I forget which accent and which letter it goes on
< 1590414486 712849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the first e looks like a plausible place)
< 1590414521 324577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"misère", I just looked it up
< 1590414544 248357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mis%C3%A8re
< 1590414550 686108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the term is more general than just Nim
< 1590414565 253886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2. In which a player unable to move wins."
< 1590414582 420917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't expecting to see a definition so precisely applicable in a general-purpose dictionary
< 1590414659 137781 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, wiktionary might not be a typical dictionary for such technical terms
< 1590414746 627711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mis%C3%A8re just has the noun.
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< 1590414900 637611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've long thought that in chess, being stalemated should count as a win (this is more interesting than the variant where being stalemated counts as a loss)
< 1590414906 657426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, that's technically misère chess
< 1590414931 513369 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have seen that idea before, I think.
< 1590414952 269838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also è is such a pain to type, the grave accent is typed on this layout as altgr-# and because it's a UK keyboard, # is three keys to the right of L, way beyond my normal typing position
< 1590415756 130528 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Well, I am not using Unicode, so I have neither the problems nor the benefits of it. Instead, my idea is an extension of the font metric file; each font declares its own precomposed characters (if any).
< 1590415819 443176 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you specify a base and accent separately, it will select the precomposed character instead if it is present; if there is no glyph for a precomposed character, it will automatically be decomposed for display (whether the precomposed character was entered explicitly or whether it was automatically converted into the precomposed character).
< 1590415863 654071 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but that doesn't change much of what you need here, except when "not using Unicode" means a legacy system like an old text mode video card or printer that can only have a very limited number of precomposed glyphs
< 1590415865 426914 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I mentioned before about ligatures and kerns was for the case where there is no precomposed variant in the font.
< 1590415890 301896 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok
< 1590415941 760146 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Specifically, that ligatures are always disabled, positive kerns are always enabled, and negative kerns are sometimes enabled or sometimes disabled depending on the height of the adjacent characters.)
< 1590416338 744209 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not actually tried this, so I don't know if this output looks reasonable and whether it is better or worse than what TeX does, but do you know?
< 1590416462 895714 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, because I think non-precomposed accents don't really come up, outside of math mode, but math mode has very different rules for kerning anyway
< 1590416626 679803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Computer Modern fonts have no precomposed accents, and TeX doesn't have the ability to automatically select a precomposed character when an accent is specified anyways (unless you enter the precomposed character explicitly, which is probably what you would do if you are writing a document in a language other than English, anyways).
< 1590416898 894386 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, precomposing the accents is implemented in TeX by LaTeX packages, but you usually enter the precomposed character in some encoding, which is also implemented in TeX by some LaTeX packages
< 1590416957 339687 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precomposed characters are necessary both for kerning and for hyphenation
< 1590417001 207507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did just think of hyphenation, when you mentioned LaTeX packages
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< 1590417109 676330 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented by some combination of LaTeX core, and the fontenc, babel, and inputenc LaTeX packages, but I don't know more specifically
< 1590417171 620851 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably do not need to implement hyphenation in TeXnicard (do any card games need it?), although of course the user can still use precomposed accents if they are using a suitable font.
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< 1590417203 234950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine that card games that wanted a large font size might want hyphenation
< 1590417213 221606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when using a large font size there isn't much space on the card
< 1590417240 142274 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. does TeXnicard want to remain specific to card games, or are you planning to widen its purpose?
< 1590417255 363728 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I suppose that is possible, maybe
< 1590417299 923400 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: If the purpose is widened, it would probably still only be used for producing decks of cards, even if the cards are not used in a game.
< 1590417315 33722 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't intended to be used for typesetting documents.)
< 1590417315 413371 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you even sure that there isn't some obscure M:tG card that uses hyphenation?
< 1590417338 214069 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: No, although if you know of one, please mention it.
< 1590417340 963689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is it's probably from Alpha or some similarly early set
< 1590417387 607548 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://scryfall.com/card/unh/107/ though you won't find that hyphenation point automatically
< 1590417408 578946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Alpha's font size is ridiculously variable
> 1590417454 55876 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Yoel 5*  10New user account
< 1590417567 724901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lure in Alpha is hyphenated
< 1590417574 805791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Lure
< 1590417575 632738 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lure \ 1GG \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ All creatures able to block enchanted creature do so. \ A-U, B-U, U-U, RV-U, 4E-U, IA-U, 5E-U, 6E-U, MM-U, 7E-U, 8ED-U, CHK-U, 10E-U, M12-U, IMA-U \  \ Lure of Prey \ 2GG \ Instant \ Cast this spell only if an opponent cast a creature spell this turn. \ You may put a green creature card from your hand onto the battlefield. \ MI-R \  \ Lurebound Scarecrow \ 3 \ Artifact Creature -- Scarecrow
< 1590417596 441685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also its wording in Alpha is so much more complicated than the Oracle text :-)
< 1590417612 885811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://scryfall.com/card/lea/211/lure
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< 1590417643 162821 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Yes, OK, well probably at least at first, I wouldn't implement any hyphenation, but I don't know about in future (but of course someone else can contribute an implementation if they need that feature somehow). Although the unusual formatting in Un-sets is unlikely to be able to be typeset automatically by any program I think (although TeXnicard might still be capable of making the card database).
< 1590417685 360952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the hyphens stayed until fourth edition
< 1590417728 524342 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, it has hyphenation even in revised, which means I might have even seen a hyphenated revised card somewhere (not Lure specifically)
< 1590417915 910463 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some writers don't like hyphenation, anyways
> 1590417979 186766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72843&oldid=72836 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+793) 10Added FizzBuzz Example and Optional Commands
< 1590418063 186830 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I could just add support for manually specified hyphens like the \discretionary command in TeX. I found a implementation of the TeX hyphenation in PostScript, so I suppose if someone really wants hyphenation in TeXnicard, they can adapt that PostScript program for use with TeXnicard.
< 1590418099 386891 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible that *modern* M:tG cards don't use hyphenation though, and so it might not be required to support hyphenation if you're making a program to typeset new cards
< 1590418126 748362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TeXnicard isn't meant to be specific to M:tG? just to games in general that are made out of cards with rules on them?
< 1590418139 224506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not necessarily even TCGs)
< 1590418144 307857 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is correct.
< 1590418197 786339 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, M:tG is just the collectible card game that I'm the most familiar with
< 1590418231 205258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably more familiar with Android: Netrunner at this point
< 1590418248 450529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't played it much recently bcause the online site isn't very friendly to network problems
< 1590418381 980747 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning all
< 1590418399 373972 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://scryfall.com/card/3ed/80/sirens-call another uncommon from Revised that has hyphenation
< 1590418549 7704 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the hyphens there (in "non-wall") is probably explicit, at least.
< 1590418576 790867 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning^^
< 1590418585 104026 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hereits5PM
< 1590418598 831273 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uamericans
< 1590418602 49405 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1590418630 112434 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ais523: here's a modern hyphenation: https://scryfall.com/card/iko/34/de/blitzsturm-capridor
< 1590418672 240680 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.hey.in.india.its10.30PM
< 1590418693 746955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: that's a hard hyphen, not a soft hyphen
< 1590418714 668654 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it's not, not inside Kampfschaden 
< 1590418729 894083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone
< 1590418769 587428 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u.wanna.tell.me.who.has.as.desktop.wallpaper.all.timezones.anything.about.timezones?
< 1590418805 811374 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :india.is.5.1/2
< 1590418832 471040 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.is.kampfschaden.btw?
< 1590418838 659588 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first hyphen seems to be a soft hyphen, the second one hard (based on the text to the right of the picture of the card; I don't know the German words)
< 1590418860 970519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: Some German word presumably (I don't know what it means). But, what aren't you writing spaces?
< 1590418874 357033 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: compare to https://scryfall.com/card/grn/204/de/tajic-klinge-der-legion where Kampfschaden is not hyphenated, and that's also a recent card so the spelling probably hasn't changed
< 1590418882 60388 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.m.from.austria.means.something.like
< 1590418886 335120 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fight.damage
< 1590418890 716977 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.strange.word
< 1590418905 589470 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my.space.key.is.broken
< 1590418950 870324 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.think.it.was.energy.drink
< 1590418956 139160 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.coffee?
< 1590418960 328606 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.think.energydrink
< 1590418965 977212 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly https://scryfall.com/card/m20/132/de/chandras-feuerspucker doesn't hyphenate it
> 1590418975 280001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72844&oldid=72770 5* 03Yoel 5* (+185) 10
< 1590418977 529728 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.i.buyed.the.keyboard.the.same.day
< 1590418982 791886 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday
< 1590418998 229958 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause.they.keyboard.before.the.same.happened
> 1590418998 345915 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Thue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72845&oldid=54802 5* 03Yoel 5* (+471) 10/* Converting to Roman numerals */ new section
< 1590419000 959793 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there.it.was.coffee
< 1590419013 291648 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: O, OK, "something like fight damage" makes sense in context.
< 1590419015 875406 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.there.coffee.and.this.was.energydrink.with.the.curreent.keyboard
< 1590419032 783127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs
< 1590419036 807390 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.hope.today.its.not.corona
< 1590419040 980907 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hi
< 1590419041 216813 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so read isn't a function. vs. explicit cps does not necessarily rely on the properties of atoms fall out of fashion as opposed to informal.
< 1590419065 844554 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the.beer
< 1590419066 642092 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/MysteryNewsTV/status/1264861721023438848
< 1590419118 876030 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corona beer is not related to corona virus, anyways, though.
< 1590419132 511303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess there's always /ignore.
> 1590419206 429644 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^2 Turing Completeness14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72846&oldid=72649 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-144) 10"not proven TC" followed directly by "not TC but BSM"
> 1590419246 634055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B^2 Turing Completeness14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72847&oldid=72846 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Counter-argument */
< 1590419254 940037 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1590419339 196366 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.i.didnt.said.anything.about.any.virus?
< 1590419348 378071 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw.i.dont.use.that.word
< 1590419349 646276 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c..
< 1590419358 214440 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, anyways
< 1590419360 888513 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when.i.say.corona.i.mean.the.beer
< 1590419386 973209 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and some people like that beer but some people don't like the Corona beer.
> 1590419390 212787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72848&oldid=72843 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+156) 10Added better unicode support
< 1590419396 96161 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: I think you're in the wrong place. This isn't a chat channel.
< 1590419398 85848 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.i.like.it
< 1590419407 876085 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.i.didnt.drink.alcohol.since.years
> 1590419439 815009 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:B^214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72849&oldid=72813 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+266) 10
< 1590419446 426729 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.i'm.a.little.tipsy?(right.word).from.the.one.corona.and.few.drams.of.the.second
< 1590419464 716532 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.with.the.next.connect.i.leave.got.this.channel.out.of.my.list
< 1590419474 506845 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.till.then.we.can.at.least.have.a.good.time.or.not?
< 1590419477 298815 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulam%E2%80%93Warburton_automaton
< 1590419481 210013 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1590419496 800408 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: you can do /part to leave. Also, I think people here are more interested in discussing computing.
< 1590419519 487892 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode is lacking on discussion channels.
> 1590419523 835204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72850&oldid=63797 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* External resources */ cat
> 1590419525 849255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72851&oldid=72848 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+3) 10fixed grammar
< 1590419539 306649 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.as.i.said.with.the.next.connection.to.freenode.i.wont.be.in.this.channel.nomore.got.it.out.of.my.list.because.of.what.you.was.sayin
< 1590419571 132517 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beginnings of automata go back to a conversation Ulam had with Stanislaw Mazur in a coffee house in Lwów Poland when Ulam was twenty in 1929.[11] Ulam worked with John von Neumann during the war years when they became good friends and discussed cellular automaton. Von Neumann’s used these ideas in his concept of a universal constructor and the digital computer. Ulam focussed on biological and 
< 1590419577 175603 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘crystal like’ patterns publishing a sketch of the growth of a square based cell structure using a simple rule in 1962
< 1590419579 146882 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.can.also.computing
< 1590419585 943495 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: hm?
< 1590419647 13503 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: O, I didn't know that.
< 1590419794 172074 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteryhunter: Do you put timezones in your desktop wallpaper? I don't know of anyone who does; I don't need to deal with timezones that much
< 1590419836 857144 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.thats.my.wallpaper
< 1590419840 289656 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna.see.a.screenshot?
< 1590419840 369690 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1590419846 283699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I click on the clock on my taskbar-equivalent, it shows times in London, New York, Los Angeles, and UTC
< 1590419846 506172 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1590419859 22102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I configured it that way to make it easier to understand times stated by Americans
< 1590419877 169007 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, that makes sense
< 1590419882 909352 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ibb.co/Q9zFK9g
< 1590419885 764312 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here.it.is
< 1590419889 244076 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster.than.the.train
< 1590419930 332 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I needed such a thing I would probably just make a shell csript which displays times in different timezones
< 1590419980 505882 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its.better.with.a.picture
< 1590419984 623613 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u.see.with.one.click
< 1590419988 633081 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.this.is.this.and.this
< 1590420000 43780 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this.girl.here.is.von.california.he's.from.india.he.from.arabia
< 1590420006 421723 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she.from.london.russia
< 1590420016 494206 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just.one.click.and.i.see.what.time.they.have
< 1590420064 920944 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the IRC I can usually see what timezone someone is (if I need that information, which I usually don't) using the TIME client command
< 1590420088 893338 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:2087:d1d8:b736:c3fc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590420112 963304 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do.that
< 1590420117 952175 :Mysteryhunter!~Thunderbi@213-225-11-146.nat.highway.a1.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.do.it.my.way
< 1590420121 599396 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1590420173 595156 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ulam-Warburton automaton is one I have seen and used before, although I didn't know it was called that until today.
< 1590421110 818203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590421130 758255 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed
> 1590421983 448647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parentheses only14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72852&oldid=72842 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2) 10/* Computation */ Update the specification
< 1590422299 990788 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1590422475 756315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Term rewriting metalanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72853&oldid=72828 5* 03Orby 5* (+448) 10
> 1590422496 359711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Term rewriting metalanguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72854&oldid=72853 5* 03Orby 5* (+2) 10/* More thoughts */
< 1590422740 746262 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we're talking about floating point units
< 1590422756 844827 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to implement one for asm2bf, and I've even got the master Brainfuck programmer to aid me in writing microcode
< 1590422931 193890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1590423686 670179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590423886 407302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when someone wrote an FPU for INTERCAL, it was based on IEEE float notation, but without denormals, infinities, and similar weird sorts of float
< 1590423905 845528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a sensible place to start, potentially
< 1590424582 840996 :zseri!~zseri@ytrizja.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590425270 813802 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
> 1590425436 237134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parentheses only14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72855&oldid=72852 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Computation */
> 1590425510 418441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72856&oldid=44374 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10/* Interpreters */ cat
> 1590425528 743950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72857&oldid=72856 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-13) 10style
< 1590425648 816964 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590426220 987150 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see someone was here to hear me ask about the parentheses thing.
< 1590426336 194451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://esolangs.org/logs/ seems to be having trouble
< 1590426401 261563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to properly debug that thing. All I can tell is that it's got something to do with the stalker mode, and *appears* to be a bug in the civetweb server's websocket support, but it's entirely possible that I'm just using it wrong.
< 1590426483 79991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've restarted it, and it's working again for me. For a little while, anyway.
< 1590426938 544202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a random question -- what do you call C++ header files? I've always done .cc for sources, and just used .h for headers, but I'm getting a little tired of adding "// Local Variables:\n// mode: c++\n// End:\n" at the end of every such file in order for Emacs to realize they need c++-mode.
< 1590426950 695590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should go with .hh then.
< 1590426970 624179 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hpp? :shrug:
< 1590426995 741130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need to switch using .cpp for the sources for that, because .cc / .hpp would be just silly.
< 1590427038 73030 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of people using .cc.
< 1590427072 623040 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that back, I think I've seen some projects using that.
< 1590427178 645707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google C++ style uses .cc with plain .h, although I think I adopted that before I knew.
< 1590427232 565842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using .cc and .h, has considered .hh.
< 1590427265 465225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone must've probably data-mined GitHub to figure out the relative popularity of each extension.
< 1590427275 305220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cpp reminds me of the C preprocessor.
< 1590427337 397967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I've heard of are .cpp, .cc, .cxx, .c++ and .C. The last isn't particularly friendly to case-insensitive (esp. non-case-preserving) filesystems.
< 1590427370 549073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine .c++ also causes trouble on some file systems
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< 1590427382 221491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or HTTP
< 1590427631 371502 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mostly seen .cpp, with .h for the header files.
> 1590427709 150979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parentheses only14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72858&oldid=72855 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-181) 10/* Computation */ Group A must have at least two elements at that point, so that sentence was redundant
< 1590427755 430223 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I call them .h except when I add a new header to a project that already has a filename convention for this
< 1590427776 275793 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1590427803 252190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, .hi is taken for Haskell interface files ;)
< 1590427937 612458 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC accepts .cc, .cp, .cxx, .cpp, .CPP, .c++, and .C.
< 1590427971 403561 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not .CP or .CC?
< 1590428001 598514 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> .cpp reminds me of the C preprocessor. => . o O ( C’goheaderomorphic preprocessomorphism )
< 1590428011 191933 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but it isn't listed in the man page
< 1590428052 957886 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: (rofl)
< 1590428104 740849 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For header files, the extension is irrelevant unless you want to compile the header files alone, which GCC does implement.)
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< 1590428719 857490 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend suggested .c⁤⁤ which is a three-character extension ending with two `U+2064 INVISIBLE PLUS`es
< 1590428836 197355 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1590428841 634357 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked U+2064, it's real
< 1590428907 155604 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_zmZ23grXE
< 1590428922 52502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also appears to accept .hh, .H, .hp, .hxx, .hpp, .HPP, .h++ and .tcc as C++-specific header extensions.
< 1590428933 683666 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: of course it’s real, duh. We live in U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES :D
< 1590428942 714384 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1590428985 144795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote INVISIBLE TIMES
< 1590428986 163683 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :990) <fizzie> "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.)
< 1590429005 129165 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now he suggested .c⧺ (U+29FA DOUBLE PLUS)
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< 1590429033 516538 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rofoldr :D
< 1590429084 23651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.c‡ might also be an option.
< 1590429166 280759 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: if you want to write a floating point unit, look at https://bellard.org/softfp/ , which contains the original softfp library by Bellard as well as the larger qemu softfloat library that emulates almost enough operations to be used in qemu for the rare non-hardware-accelerated floating point case
< 1590429188 245677 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crappy
< 1590429189 473245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: plus obviously look at TAOCP chapter 4
< 1590429197 461780 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a better idea on implementing my floating point stuff
< 1590429210 137117 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ‡ isn’t that quite a double dagger to shoot oneself in the leg with
< 1590429213 723235 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE754 and such are the worst thing to implement in Brainfuck
< 1590429227 291261 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system will be simply based on fractions, mostly on performance / size / simplicity ratio
< 1590429240 889150 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr28DwXeyu0
< 1590429242 394647 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: for that I can just say that I wouldn't want to implement anything in brainfuck
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< 1590429247 356949 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :particle based CA
< 1590429264 856960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if implementing IEEE754 is hard, that is just another extra evidence for that
< 1590429274 762248 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, well, you won't implement, while I'm willing to
< 1590429289 485815 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm just giving a hint
< 1590429289 485871 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so far IEEE754 is the worst way to approach this problem
< 1590429298 965011 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen softfloat
< 1590429300 765650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-50.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying that you should use that library as is
< 1590429301 614456 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or softfp
< 1590429308 664814 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too bloated
< 1590429312 543221 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: the best floating point is a fixed point :? 
< 1590429317 441067 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ventrella.com/Clusters/
< 1590429324 528436 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also considered fixed point
< 1590429331 54340 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a bad idea actually in terms of accuracy
< 1590429337 854156 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's quite hard to write performant routines for that
< 1590429360 463739 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a 16-bit interpreter
< 1590429379 575086 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest value is 1/65536
< 1590429405 101066 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad - approximately 0.00001
< 1590429421 500561 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/65536 is 0.00003
< 1590429536 30863 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: oh, have you also heard about posit arithmetic and something like that? I think I asked about them here but now I absolutely don’t remember what the opinion on their usefulness or novelty was
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< 1590430558 593268 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I saw this interesting idea at CodeParade’s channel too but it seems underdeveloped for me so far. You can get many behaviors that way, but I think not as many as one’d want. Also I’m afraid numeric errors may have unwanted effects on the simulation when doing it with different time steps(?)
< 1590430579 515402 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think that's a valid concern
< 1590430595 163778 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less deep than cellular automata, because they are more exact
< 1590430635 853945 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also have anybody seen CA on a random(ish) tesselations of a plane? I think the idea is old but I haven’t seen its implementations (I think)
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< 1590430799 15085 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<rain1> it's less deep than cellular automata, because they are more exact => OTOH I think it would be interesting to watch a particle or cellular automaton which uses a controlled randomness, something like temperature in simulated annealing. For example particles could appear and vanish out of nowhere, or cell states change; maybe not all kinds of particles and not all kinds of states being inflicted
< 1590430917 907466 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me my few experiments with a random and… unlearned neural net which I used to make stereo sounds (by taking the output from two randomly preselected neurons), which for the sake of fun was slowly mutated (via adding random values to its weight matrix) with a specified rate
< 1590430983 941077 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone is even interested, here are several interesting results (a small part of those I generated, and even those were manually generated so in principle there could be much more interesting pieces)
< 1590431024 134316 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://freesound.org/people/arseniiv/packs/22686/
< 1590431199 725906 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I only would come up with a simple way to randomize a weight matrix in much more interesting ways than just independent uniform variates, then maybe interesting sounds would come in abundance (for some extent)
< 1590431251 93805 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I’d be very glad to hear something if someone will come up with more interesting results!)
< 1590431463 520700 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot to warn that these sounds are pretty harsh
< 1590431493 850979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully that’s expected of sounds by an untrained neural net
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< 1590431830 743970 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.83.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :main sources of harshness there are probably strong distortion due to tanh and the sample rate, as cyclic processes with frequencies only a small integer divisor less than the Nyquist frequency are expected to be very common there
< 1590431938 492266 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particle automaton is pretty impressive but ultimately not robust enough for what traditional CAs are intended for.
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< 1590451595 60536 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've been trying to figure out how to do math without resorting to any of this nasty "set theory" or "function" stuff. :D
< 1590451621 747261 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theories? Axioms? Pah!
< 1590451637 153244 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lvgdahdubuldpibw PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've decided to study universal algebra. There seems to be a lot you can do in universal algebra without relying on a foundational theory.
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< 1590459755 212333 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.nicolasloizeau.com/gol-computer
< 1590459794 521509 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like this make me want to revisit the idea of building a target + "compiler suite" for a string rewriting language, much like traditional FPGA tooling.
< 1590459847 138086 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess it'd be easier to design something like this because you can build stuff like logic gate layout systems: https://github.com/nicolasloizeau/guigl
< 1590459865 756268 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you're limited to 1D with string rewriting.
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< 1590489958 975570 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1590489964 440077 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any cool eso  stuff i should be aware of?
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< 1590490073 862095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, plenty
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> 1590497062 636948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073LEB14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72899 5* 03Hanzlu 5* (+2750) 10Created page with "3LEB is a language supposed to be somewhat similar to languages such as BASIC. Data is stored in variables or on a stack. Keywords are not English, but of an unknown language...."
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> 1590501557 110638 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72907&oldid=72893 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (-3) 10Changed set to memory to be easier to implement
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> 1590501847 47000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wishmaster14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72909&oldid=58312 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+117) 10cats
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< 1590505302 969154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@devils zoo
< 1590505303 975388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "zoo".
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> 1590506417 925814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72917&oldid=72889 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-32) 10
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< 1590508800 504872 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue hooked up to CGI would be a disasterpiece. I wanna do it.
< 1590508932 428361 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I encourage this
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< 1590510265 975232 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's been done with brainfuck.
< 1590510350 39100 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah. mod_bf.
> 1590510505 870631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Thue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72920&oldid=72916 5* 03Yoel 5* (-1395) 10There was a flow in the code provided: wrong result in about 5% cases
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< 1590520554 936876 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ae@109-93-201-174.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :new idea: "lying" esolang
< 1590520569 138214 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ae@109-93-201-174.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :all data in a program is "sentient" and can either be entirely truthful or lie about itself
< 1590520628 146496 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ae@109-93-201-174.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are "correctors" who will tell the real situation of data to an OP which gives it false situations
< 1590520636 999902 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ae@109-93-201-174.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, one can create lying correctors
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< 1590522998 312354 :andrew_esolang!6d5dc9ae@109-93-201-174.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1590534467 698184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In homotopy type theory, van Doorn verifies that the smash product is a 1-coherent symmetric monoidal product by first proving the isomorphism A →_∗ (B →_∗ C) ≃ (A ∧ B) →_∗ C and using this to obtain the other results [vD18]."
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< 1590538581 512613 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-187.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently in CSS simple selector syntax for selecting by id or class, if the name of the id or class contains a dot or colon, you can escape that to CSS by putting a backspace before those characters. good to know.
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< 1590544101 617862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: A backspace as in U+0008?
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< 1590550173 883660 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a variant of Magic: the Gathering involving poker. You can play any variant of poker (draw, five-card stud, seven-card stud, Hold'em, etc) and and kind of betting limits (fixed-limit, spread-limit, pot-limit, no-limit, etc), and any number of players.
< 1590550254 832227 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, the players must agree on a shared deck, with at least enough cards for the selected variant of poker and number of players, but it can be more. Normal deck restrictions do not apply to this shared deck. Ensure all players know what it contains.
< 1590550354 149614 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, do duplicate sealed with any set(s) or a cube; each player gets a copy of those cards as his sideboard, plus any conventional basic lands that player wants (which can also be added later; they need not be added right away).
< 1590550595 918540 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, do poker game, using the shared deck only. When it is time to compare the cards to see who has a better hand, instead do not show any hidden cards to other players but instead play Magic: the Gathering. If there are any community cards (as in Texas Hold'em, for example), each player gets a copy of those cards.
< 1590550715 531939 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play for ante, using a deck constructed from the sealed cards plus any conventional basic lands that player wants, but the minimum deck size is now 33 cards instead of 40 cards. Do not draw an initial hand; instead your initial hand is the cards available to you from the poker game.
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< 1590552173 781570 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no mulligan (although subgames still draw cards at random and mulligan is possible). Each player may, once per game as a special action, create a basic land token with a subtype of that player's choice.
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< 1590552289 463081 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the initial ante card is a conventional basic land, put it on the bottom of your library and ante another card; repeat until you find one which isn't a conventional basic land. If your entire deck is conventional basic lands, then you are disqualified. (This rule does not apply to ante done later during the game; it only applies to the initial ante.)
< 1590552398 460192 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once the game is finished, if the number of winners is not exactly one, all ownership changes are reverted. If there is exactly one winner, then for each card he has gained or lost ownership of, he chooses whether to keep it for the rest of the match or not; if he keeps it, he pays back a proportion of his winnings (only that beyond his bet, though). The proportion is by the number of cards he can choose in this way, and is rounded up.
< 1590552428 291689 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All shared cards are now returned to the shared deck and do again, until only one player has poker chips remaining.
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< 1590552491 958482 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all (I think).
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< 1590563380 397237 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-187.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, a backslash. sorry.
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< 1590584757 628758 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-spiral_semigroup
< 1590584773 249977 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicyclic_semigroup
< 1590584778 985477 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a good topic to study: semigroups
< 1590585304 615195 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :disunited monoids
< 1590585347 992959 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this makes more sense if you pronounce "disunited" wrongly)
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< 1590588434 888903 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing the lambda calculus so that I can experience firsthand the road to madness that alpha-conversion is.
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< 1590588872 676656 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is no alpha-conversion, there are only de Bruijn indices :p
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< 1590589010 150710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Substitution with de Bruijn indices is no joy either. It's just harder to get subtly wrong.
< 1590589084 878751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly because there are fewer degrees of freedom)
< 1590589122 221266 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm trying to start with a naive implementation, and then refactor it into a more sophisticated version.  I lack test cases though.
< 1590589217 337004 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree with the idea that the set of bound variable names, and the set of free variable names, should be disjoint.  (whether the bound variable "names" are de Bruijn indices or not.)
< 1590589267 215587 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can see how that makes things cleaner.  I'm not there yet though.
< 1590589286 54953 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: rain1: yesterday I thought about the way to make a monoid from a semigroup and that some people think of semigroups as unnecessary because of that, but I realized there should be a lot of examples when we can’t adjoin a synthetic identity element to a semigroup, e. g. when this is a multiplicative semigroup of a semiring: how would we define addition with this synthetic 1, it may be in some cases that there are no natural choic
< 1590589286 160693 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :e, or a couple of them. And this generalizes to an arbitraty algebraic structure being accidentally a semigroup for one of its operations
< 1590589325 969226 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is a much simpler argument that morphism of semigroups which are by chance monoids isn’t necessary a monoid morphism
< 1590589358 386357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that helps a lot if you never beta-reduce under a lambda. otherwise the distinction of free and bound becomes blurry
< 1590589367 367898 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> (mainly because there are fewer degrees of freedom) => so that’s better anyway!
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< 1590589530 318027 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this solves a problem naming bound variables closer to what the user of the language called them before the conversion to indices
< 1590589714 608957 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have to admit, I never implemented this version
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< 1590590191 79846 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: here's a fun closed term: \d. (\f z. f (f (f (f (f z))))) (\c b x. c (b x)) d
< 1590590312 983712 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reduces to \z b x x1 x2 x3 x4. z (b x x1 x2 x3 x4) which requires more distinct bound variables than it started out with.
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< 1590590607 42137 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I would like to use that as a test case.  I need to write a parser first though -- even translating that by hand to my data structure might introduce an error :)
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> 1590595350 505584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Forbin14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72957 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+443) 10Created page with "{{PageWIP}] '''Forbin''' is an esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Examples== ===[[Hello World]]===  main {    out 01001000;    out 01100101;    out 01101100;    ou..."
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< 1590606348 463624 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all again, does anybody know an example of an S-expression rewriting esolang? (analogous to Markov algorithm or Thue)
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< 1590607989 755186 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: metalanguage or more akin to lisp?
< 1590608032 922065 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trml is a work in progress which may suit your needs
< 1590608097 179371 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: any working esolang, though better it had a complete description
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< 1590608117 27969 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.0.144.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I made up something right now and I think I’m lazy to implement it
< 1590608357 230694 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write the description of it even if it is not yet implemented
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< 1590610932 402697 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :allo.
< 1590611037 460561 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1590623726 699539 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell arseniiv modal is an example of this.
< 1590623726 699614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1590623786 584595 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: what's Trml?
< 1590624006 809470 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: a term rewriting metalanguage. Like thue for term rewriting languages. How clear is the page?
< 1590624056 809758 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the result of an evolution of thoughts and I'm wondering how well I described it on the page
< 1590624649 874281 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting.
< 1590624662 850966 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen my attempt at a term rewriting lang?
< 1590624730 377944 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hatebin.com/bndqcbpthq
< 1590624759 650753 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's a non-working ver.
< 1590624777 879393 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hatebin.com/ierbsdhqph better.
< 1590624868 565275 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was enough that I was able to write quicksort in it.
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< 1590624944 659342 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://git.imode.tech/?p=python/modal;a=blob;f=modal.py;hb=HEAD here's the interpreter that goes along with it.
< 1590625810 991246 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I was checking out the basic idea the other day. Will have to take a look at the interpretter when I'm in front of my computer. Bookmarking now.
< 1590627773 157532 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. your solutions are probably more elegant. mine are dirty hacks.
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< 1590645175 597142 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I managed to get kerning and ligatures working (although ligatures other than =: are not yet tested, although I think Computer Modern fonts don't use other kind of ligatures and I don't know what fonts would use such ligatures).
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< 1590651402 829520 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-114.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think there's a ?` ligature
< 1590651424 624075 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-114.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a -- ligature
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< 1590658748 269129 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> the Garden of Eden theorem, stating that a cellular automaton has a configuration with no predecessor if and only if it has two different asymptotic configurations which evolve to the same configuration
< 1590658751 80127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:12: error: parse error on input ‘of’
< 1590658752 958608 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this hard to prove?
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< 1590660201 33665 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: it certainly sounds like it'd be hard to prove, but I don't really know.  what's an "asymptotic configuration"?
< 1590660308 1846 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure
< 1590660319 433538 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to find out
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< 1590660418 393115 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i x,y are asymptotic if diff(x,y) is finite
< 1590660450 156912 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff(x,y) is the set of configurations where they do not agree at time t
< 1590660470 833815 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically we are looking for two configurations which end up in the same state eventually
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< 1590663679 93851 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, if and only if *the cellular automaton* has two different asymptotic configurations. I was misreading it slightly.
< 1590663725 241804 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two different configurations converge, then there exists a configuration to which no other configuration evolves
< 1590663736 779248 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still sounds hard to prove.
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< 1590664614 131334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> hi all again, does anybody know an example of an S-expression rewriting esolang? (analogous to Markov algorithm or Thue) ← Precognition, but it's unimplemented
< 1590664631 516156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fully designed though
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< 1590667133 423934 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.w preconition
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< 1590671497 338795 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I think I understand it a little better thinking about the converse -- if there do not exist two converging configurations, then there does not exist a Garden of Eden either. It sounds like it's related to reversibility.
< 1590671559 342047 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1590671581 793257 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to reverse all patterns would rule out a garden of eden
< 1590671652 240286 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that'd be the "if" direction, still not sure how the "only if" direction goes though.
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< 1590671692 515764 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But tbh I'm not thinking very hard about it.  It might in fact be easy to show once you get all the parts together.
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< 1590675517 372658 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell imode oh! Maybe that’s why I sensed I encountered something like that not long ago!
< 1590675517 474113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1590675596 534500 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though IIRC it doesn’t work like a Markov algorithm would, having a specific order of rules very important to execution results
< 1590676237 985227 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ah, you want non-deterministic tree-rewriting?  (I mean: what Thue calls "non-deterministic")
< 1590676312 670684 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/tree/term/ if you like)
< 1590676525 521637 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: maybe non-deterministic is also an option! (MA, on the other hand, is deterministic.) Though right now I don’t want the language badly, that was just an option for writing a simple register machine implementation to add to my friend’s repo of various idiomatic implementations of the same machine with the same functionality in different languages. We also consider writing that machine in itself, but I’m lazy to begin. The
< 1590676525 666909 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :n I thought maybe I’ll be able to write the impl in MA, but that quickly proven itself *very* tarpit-y and I quitted
< 1590676848 90068 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be clear, I don't mean really non-deterministic, I mean, like Thue, you are given no guarantee of the order that the rewrites will happen (so if you want your program to have consistent behaviour, you need to code those guards into your program.)
< 1590676929 669050 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you understood that
< 1590676936 269090 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never tell with this word
< 1590676947 131747 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about Markov algorithms to say
< 1590676978 495832 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to confuse it with "Markov chain" which I do tend to think of as something generated with a random factor
< 1590676985 670849 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus not deterministic
< 1590677016 807271 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I don't think I've seen a term-rewriting version of Thue, which is basically what I was thnking of
< 1590677261 799970 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah yesterday I almost wrote “Markov chain” several times too when mentioning them in another place
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< 1590680839 347425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, I’ve came up with a datatype “a complex number z with |z| ≤ 1”. One can overflow on addition, but not multiplication, and maybe one also could use as literals only numbers of form exp(i t) with t from a fixed finite subset of reals
< 1590680938 394012 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a special value ∞ to this type in lieu of IEEE 754 can be useful^W esoful, moreso if arithmetic is defined with it in a weird way
< 1590681111 805669 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course having a value of that type represented by a pair of regular IEEE 754 float64s is also quite eso in runtime behaviour (an expression may overflow suddenly when mathematically its value is in the disk)
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< 1590681917 723508 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: It would probably be easier to represent it as a magnitude, angle pair
< 1590681951 746032 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: but not as eso! Though this way addition and subtraction would get weird rounding errors, I like it
< 1590681977 379474 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, a + ib makes it easier to do addition
< 1590681992 391927 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think ∞ should be printed and read as “FAR”
< 1590681995 309666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :r*exp(i t) makes it easier to do multiplication
< 1590682021 185524 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.5.215.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1590692225 505076 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has setjmp/longjmp, and some other programming languages have try/catch blocks. But what I would want is setjmp/longjmp with cleanup blocks.
< 1590692582 900182 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
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< 1590692855 747534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-32.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you'll have to implement that yourself using exceptions then
< 1590692903 897374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, call-with-current-continuation and dynamic-wind together are a *little* bit like "setjmp/longjmp with cleanup blocks".
< 1590692920 733496 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :allo.
< 1590692935 287660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-32.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that scheme thing
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< 1590694811 580307 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if LLVM supports it. I read the document about exception handling, which mentions setjmp/longjmp, although I don't know what things are possible.
< 1590694904 969380 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought of using setjmp/longjmp where a function stores the previous value of the jump buffer in a local variable before calling setjmp, and then restores it when it is finished, but this won't work so well if you are calling an external library which calls back into your program if that external library needs cleanup.
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< 1590696252 970136 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glulx has catch and throw, which is a bit like setjmp/longjmp, although the data needed to restore the position is allocated on the stack instead of in a separate variable (and in Glulx, the stack belongs to a separate address space).
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< 1590741287 852267 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the subject of semigroups. You can take the quotient of a semigroup by an equivalence relation to get another semigroup. The notation is: S/~ is the quotient semigroup of S.
< 1590741334 317000 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1590741334 418374 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if S/~ has more structure that just a semigroup?  Can you say, "S/~ is the quotient group of the semigroup S"?
< 1590741345 926461 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1590741359 756600 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure you *can*, but to what extent do you have to explain the situation
< 1590741370 164400 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "C/~ is a quotient semigroup of the semigroup S that happens to have a group structure"
< 1590741392 641153 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense.
< 1590741412 227859 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had a semigroup theory lecture interrupted by a fire
< 1590741659 482709 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear.  I do hope those two events were mostly coincidental.
< 1590741677 686956 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would hate to think of a group of arsonists with something against abstract algebra.
< 1590741978 138862 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it was a kitchen fire in a cafeteria nearby
< 1590742031 114484 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, was rather exciting at the time
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< 1590742191 320550 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cpressey I finished reading "A tantalising introduction to semigroups" today
< 1590742254 752645 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes in group theory we do G/N quotient by a normal subgroups
< 1590742290 389386 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in semigroup theory we quotient by compatable relations the kernel relation is defined for any homomorphism between semigroups
< 1590742620 34386 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I'm interested is because I want to write a better explanation of Burro.  If B is the set of Burro program texts and ~ is the equivalence relation "represents the same Burro program", then B/~ is the set of Burro programs.  B is a monoid but B/~ is a group.
< 1590743033 312569 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because B/~ is a group, for every program a in B/~ there exists a unique program b in B/~ s.t. a*b=e, where * is composition and e is the null program.
< 1590743189 280582 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This induces: For every program text a in B there exists a program text b in B such that a/~ * b/~ = e/~ -- so to speak.
< 1590743468 686900 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run(a)*run(b)=run("") might be a clearer way to express that.  Or indeed [[a]]*[[b]]=[[]].
< 1590743509 318105 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the evaluation function that induces the equivalence relation, after all.
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< 1590744885 745026 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. Half the internet just died for me. GitHub, DuckDuckGo, BBC -- none of them work. But my site still does, and other smaller sites.
< 1590744889 813897 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IRC still does!
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< 1590745156 116259 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google and Slack are down, too. But, like, my bank's site is still up.
< 1590745160 839360 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone else seeing this?
< 1590745212 56840 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yen
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< 1590747174 766672 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is still up, that's good
< 1590747232 276869 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only important website
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< 1590748435 280290 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.95.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all appears to back up now
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< 1590755616 850186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> Weird. Half the internet just died for me. ← perhaps your DNS server died? then you'd only be able to visit sites for which your browser had the IP address cached
< 1590755669 862391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or where the IP address had been cached by some other part of your network stack)
< 1590755732 375758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. Does Not Serve
< 1590755974 128660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My naive sudoku DPLL solver was much faster than my somewhat less naive DPLL SAT solver at solving sudoku puzzles.
< 1590755984 730246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I was frustrated by it, but then I realized my encoding was bad:
< 1590756022 860582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave it constraints like "at least one of each digit in each row", where I should have given it "at most one" instead, since that was truer to what the direct solver was doing.
< 1590756063 836056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would giving /both/ constraints make it faster or slower?
< 1590756089 491906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition says that the more constraints you can give a SAT solver, the better; but I don't know whether that's true for algorithms used by SAT solvers in practice
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< 1590756223 626494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's mostly true, unless the clauses are pretty useless.
< 1590756241 974269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that these "at least" clauses are very useful.
< 1590756383 333016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my naive sudoku solver was fast on the few instances I tried it on, but when I tried it on a bunch more it took as much as 70 seconds.
< 1590756478 49726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wrote it in Python in about 20 minutes a few months ago, it's not meant to be fast or anything.)
< 1590756507 998326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether random variable ordering + Luby restarts would speed it up a lot. Probably?
< 1590756612 159992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the time when there was a spontaneous unofficial competition to write Polarium solvers
< 1590756616 108380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the winner turned out to be a SAT solver
< 1590756625 106872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :configured to understand Polarium
< 1590756646 604387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty promising.
< 1590756726 620735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rules of Polarium: you have an m by n grid, the cells at the border are all gray, the others are each either black or white; you need to come up with a continuous non-self-intersecting path of squares connected at their edges, starting and ending anywhere, that for each horizontal row on the grid, either goes through every black square on the row but no white squares, or through every white square on the grid but no black squares)
< 1590756803 718242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every white square on the grid?
< 1590756823 597388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, on the row
< 1590756825 40166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the grdi
< 1590756827 403768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1590756875 936165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strikes me that there's no particular reason why puzzles should confine themselves to gray squares at the border but nowhere else, but that seems to be the convention
< 1590757016 260959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it http://bach.istc.kobe-u.ac.jp/copris/puzzles/polarium/index.html ?
< 1590757057 217038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make my SAT solver good.
< 1590757068 480843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's not that much more work to make it acceptable.
< 1590757195 14900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that appears to be a solver for the same puzzle, although it appears to have been created independently of our competition
< 1590757213 900199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it was created before the competition started
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< 1590768157 76666 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear algebra isn’t free of foundational issues even in interesting parts: “for U a subspace of V there exists a subspace U′ ⊂ V st U ⊕ U′ = V” requires axiom of choice
< 1590768160 604038 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 NICK :arseniiv
< 1590768251 854204 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Hom(U, V) is nonempty for any subspace U of V” too
< 1590768451 892104 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stumbled upon these when proving that the only linear operators commuting with any other are scalar ones: if the space has no structures on it and is not finite-dimensional, we’ll need either U′ or a map from above to complete two operators making counterexamples to the two exhaustive cases when an operator fails to be a scalar one
< 1590768503 888209 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof modulo invocation of those “foundational-issue-y” facts is almost trivial and neat
< 1590768521 928848 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I heard that you need the axiom of choice to prove that vector spaces have a vector space basis, but not that you already need it for that first statement
< 1590768539 881385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it makes sense in hindsight
< 1590768551 355200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait
< 1590768584 204584 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1590768683 785002 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was said AC is needed for the ⊕ thing at least
< 1590768704 789547 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hopefully they are interchangeable…
< 1590768735 320633 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it interesting that in ZF¬C, there's a vector space without a basis
< 1590768832 426767 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah! You reminded I wanted to see what that scalar operator theorem turns into in this case. It seems there should exist an “all-commuting” operator which isn’t scalar?
< 1590769451 681725 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this way it feels too strong. I think it should be just “may exist”? even in ZF¬C, not just in ZF
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< 1590771967 54395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append california//. WARNING: The area of California is made of chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
< 1590771968 468738 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: le/rn_append keyword//Text you'd like to append.
< 1590771978 251978 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn_append california//. WARNING: The area of California is made of chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
< 1590771980 899626 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'california': California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A" . WARNING: The area of California is made of chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
< 1590771987 239595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, drop that space
< 1590772011 845466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` sed -i 's/" ./"./' /hackenv/wisdom/california
< 1590772013 937719 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/wisdom/california//California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A". WARNING: The area of California is made of chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
< 1590772020 532027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? california
< 1590772022 913470 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A". WARNING: The area of California is made of chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
> 1590772763 407937 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minebit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73056&oldid=73040 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-5) 10style guide says user should have visible prefix
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< 1590772946 763840 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a tty
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< 1590776148 63078 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In LLVM, what are the differences between "freeze i1 undef" and the @llvm.experimental.widenable.condition intrinsic?
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< 1590799925 297261 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing to do in TeXnicard is pixel rounding when typesetting, perhaps similar to how DVItype does, although TeXnicard's internal data structures contain more information than a DVI file does, so that can be used instead of having to guess in some cases.
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< 1590837246 545627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 I have a concrete instance where adding the "at least one" constraints makes my solver find UNSAT instantly, but with only "at most one" it takes 18 seconds.
< 1590837246 545688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1590838786 198953 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is it a pigeonhole trick where you have n of those disjoint at most one groups on the left side, a bunch of transformations, and then an at least constraint on the right side that actually forces the at least one constraint in a way that your solver can't quickly notice?
< 1590838851 251013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like put 8 black queens on a chessboard such that no pair of queens defend each other
< 1590838904 722719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1590838956 13504 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the at most one constraint is that each row has at most one queen. that much is easy from the description, because two queens on a row would attack each other. the least one constraint would be that you put at least one queen in every row, which is not so obvious.
< 1590838997 975586 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the at least one constraint, then you can find solutions more quickly, because the solver won't try to explore solutions where all squares of a row are excluded.
< 1590839006 834404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/solutions/partial solutions/
< 1590839104 693010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh, the context here is sudoku.
< 1590839119 214588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I have constraints like "at least one of each digit on this row" and "at most one".
< 1590839335 813145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, that's similar
< 1590839361 182007 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same pigeonhole sort of constraint, when you want exactly one of each row, but you can prove that
< 1590839402 378709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course these problems are special enough that you probably don't want to solve them by general SAT solvers, but rather by specialized solutions or at least finite domain solvers
< 1590839418 404942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sudoku you can probably find a lot of different solvers on the net
< 1590839421 958077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not clear.
< 1590839427 632970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the hardest 9x9 sudoku?
< 1590839435 702167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's still pretty easy for a CDCL solver.
< 1590839463 659573 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I think that's a well known question and there are candidates on the internet, though it might be hard to prove which one is "the hardest"
< 1590839725 781452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect they're kind of sensitive to specific choices you make so it's hard to call one the hardest.
< 1590839753 771993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SAT solvers do lots of restarts anyway so they'll probably find a nice variable ordering and solvulate it all easy-peasy-like.
< 1590840663 345927 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9359579/Worlds-hardest-sudoku-can-you-crack-it.html <-- from searching "hardest sudoku"
< 1590841114 259001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, I'm probably just biased against SAT solvers, I don't trust them much
< 1590841175 465419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though perhaps I should be biased against them less than how much I'm biased against machine learning, GPU programming, multi-threading, and just-in-time compilation
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< 1590841216 68491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird set of biases
< 1590841238 941532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm biased against machine learning, in favour of GPU programming and multithreading, and mostly neutral on JIT compilation
< 1590841250 422104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think people don't AOT compile nearly as much as they should
< 1590841260 452695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When is JIT compilation good?
< 1590841270 997463 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, these are almost all what I consider magic at least partially. Though GPU programming is just a thing like microcontrolles which I simply don’t know now and don’t intend to dive into, and not magic
< 1590841274 484580 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 NICK :arseniiv
< 1590841282 986639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can see an argument for JIT compiling specialised code
< 1590841291 494889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you see a function is being called with argument 2 a lot
< 1590841291 944457 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it's not. all four are technologies that are (or were) overhyped, used for marketing and/or actual solutions for problems where they hurt more than they help. I should add blockchains to that list, but that's too obvious.
< 1590841297 571889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you recompile it inlining 2 as a parameter
< 1590841300 832806 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multithreading should be a very different kind of magic if at all
< 1590841307 268273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SAT solvers don't match that set, which is why I should be less biased against them
< 1590841316 404446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like understanding your code is so valuable, though.
< 1590841329 119549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: even AOT compilation doesn't help much with that
< 1590841349 550619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can see some uses for JIT, I suppose. But not just general-purpose code in your regular programming language.
< 1590841350 541400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as most people don't understand what's going on with machine code
< 1590841391 518855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are things like regular expression JITs worthwhile?
< 1590841396 426376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a side advantage of JIT which isn't technically confined to JITs but is normally only seen there: you can distribute platform-independent binaries
< 1590841405 580499 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, they're also all technologies that I'd be reluctant to use, and where I sell myself to employers as being an expert of more traditional programming tech as opposed to those overhyped stuff that everyone tries to learn these days, giving a ... uh, insert buzzwords here, the point is that I can write straightforward code to translate domain-specific knowledget such that for many problems I 
< 1590841411 651334 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a better solution than those hyped tech that your other candidates would try to sell you
< 1590841416 140529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular expression JITting is definitely useful in the case where the regular expression is only known at runtime
< 1590841421 262456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For runtime user-entered regular expressions, I mean. If they're known at compiletime then there's no reason to JIT, of course, you just want a specialized AOT compiler.
< 1590841422 860734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexes have to be compiled to get good performance
< 1590841446 726708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for known-at-compile-time, it probably depends on how large the resulting state machine is
< 1590841473 433204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I wish GPU programming was more like CPU programming, where you could target a GPU rather than bizarro languages and compilers provided by vendors.
< 1590841482 370996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the source is much smaller than the binary, and the compiler is already on the target machine
< 1590841483 393078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may make sense to just ship the code
< 1590841489 756483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm familiar enough with multithreading that I can write code to use it sanely and reliably when it's really needed, and I at least try to recognize when each of these technology could be useful in which case I can advise them to ask someone who is good at those techniques to use them
< 1590841492 341865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh yes, GPU toolchains are all-around horrible
< 1590841505 836492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vulkan is an improvement on what came before but it may not be enough of an improvement
< 1590841536 536012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: one thing I dislike about multithreading is languages that require multithreaded code to do things that shouldn't need it
< 1590841556 739756 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, oop languages?
< 1590841557 67570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Vulkan just a huge complicated mess that is also not relevant to almost any platforms?
< 1590841558 201590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. because they have no way to block on two unrelated things simultaneously
< 1590841576 624510 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_honas> SAT solvers don't match that set => hmm, yet?..
< 1590841579 112333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it has fewer levels of abstraction than, say, DirectX or OpenGL
< 1590841597 281315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which automatically means that working around its messes is more viable than working around its competitors' messes
< 1590841601 973370 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard they use a SAT solver to (type)check F* code
< 1590841650 298350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Damas-Milner typechecking is basically a sort of SAT solver, but the algorithm is very simple and (with a Hindley-Milner type system) known to terminate
< 1590841704 316892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my view on multithreading is quite different from most people's; I believe that a program that can't be trivially made multithreaded is inherently inefficient, and thus only suitable for tasks where an inherently inefficient program is acceptable
< 1590841732 46187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ls has no reason to be CPU-efficient because it spends almost all its time blocking on I/O anyway
< 1590841735 622763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't think they ever will. just look at TAOCP. anything that TAOCP covers won't go into that set. SAT solving is in TAOCP, JIT compilation is minimally mentioned in vol 1 about interpreters, multithreading is specifically excluded from the series' topic in the introduction (though I think a few exercises mention locking), GPU programming is I think excluded though the intro doesn't 
< 1590841741 658814 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically mention that because GPUs didn't exist when vol 1 third edition was printed,
< 1590841753 353612 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... what were the others? blockchains and machine learning aren't covered either.
< 1590841834 168040 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh! that reminds me one question. How much GHC’s type system adds to HM to typecheck Haskell with all those extensions (maybe without UndecidableInstances and friends)
< 1590841842 367340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know?
< 1590841883 149373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure what it means to say that a program is inherently inefficient there.
< 1590841883 942050 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course we have the ed. Iványi book, which specifically tries to cover topics that TAOCP doesn't cover, because TAOCP is so good that there's no point for them writing a book that says the same thing again
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< 1590841932 507772 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ed. Iványi has chapters for multithreaded programming, SQL databases (that one I'm neutral about... it's more complicated and refined than that but let's not get into that now), etc
< 1590841933 288245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some tasks are hard to parallelize, and certainly hard to parallelize trivially. If there's no better option for doing that task, in what sense is it inefficient?
< 1590842093 915650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't know about most extensions, but Rank2Types is type-checkable in theory but GHC can't do it, RankNTypes has undecidable typechecking
< 1590842100 91268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the reason that Rank2Types is separate
< 1590842128 200768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mean parallelizing to the extent that the underlying problem can be parallelized
< 1590842134 714599 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: neat detail, thanks!
< 1590842154 280302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean inference rather than checking?
< 1590842167 29088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, even if the task is entirely sequential (which is very rare), a program to solve it should at least be trivially modifiable to perform multiple unrelated instances of that task in parallel
< 1590842172 865168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes
< 1590842184 634736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, checking of a program where the types might not all have been explicitly stated by the programmer, which is the same thing
< 1590842190 29904 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: inference too, yeah, what good is checking without inference
< 1590842207 854538 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: wow, I didn't know that about rank 2 types
< 1590842214 309832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the claim that Rank2Types is inferrable in theory isn't very useful.
< 1590842225 93807 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn’t too
< 1590842240 430926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was relevant in my PhD thesis, that's why I know it
< 1590842244 938990 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was that a wrong one-character completion)
< 1590842268 554962 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, sorry
< 1590842274 803866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not actually sure what the exact claim is, but my understanding is that you can do "whole program inference": If there are rank-2 types that can be assigned to the whole program, you can find them, but you can't do it locally.
< 1590842288 301420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, then you must know much better than I do.
< 1590842297 100603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I'm saying right?
< 1590842326 104640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does the same argument about rank-2 types work for existentials?
< 1590842335 671205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it must since you can encode existentials with rank-2 types.
< 1590842354 576420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more than one definition of existentials, and I forget which one Haskell uses
< 1590842365 256114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it can be encoded using rank-2 types, it must be inferrable
< 1590842419 663521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you have an existentially typed thing like xs = [(1, intToString), (False, boolToString)]
< 1590842425 484701 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I glance to the GHC’s inference algorithm because I know if I would make a usable language, I’ll need all the types, and as subtyping is almost certainly no-go, something à la GHC or Rust would need to be used
< 1590842441 361487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can assign that the existential types [exists a. (a, a -> String)], or (exists a b. (a, b)], or [exists a. a], etc.
< 1590842446 473501 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I’m afraid to look into the concrete implementation (in GHC)
< 1590842455 28157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no way to look at that list without seeing how it's being used and pick one of those.
< 1590842554 496983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main interest on existentials was related to type tags rather than to base types or function types, which is a bit different from what GHC is doing
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< 1590842598 15199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "type tags" I mean things like the ! from linear logic
< 1590842624 172453 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> And there's no way to look at that list without seeing how it's being used and pick one of those. => hm would that also be true for any advanced typing constructs? We use types to constrain operations which can be performed, after all, and when very abstract typing constructs emerge, they aren’t usually coupled to the data representation, so we shouldn’t be able to decide(?..)
< 1590842626 932012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can encode this rank-2. Ignoring the list, I guess: foo f = f (1, intToString)
< 1590842627 587592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the field I was working in was related to making those things more precise, my thesis was about why the existing attempts at doing it didn't work
< 1590842680 292317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can give foo the type forall r. ((Int, Int -> String) -> r) -> r, or forall r. (forall a. (a, a -> String) -> r) -> r, or forall r. (forall a. a -> r) -> r, etc.
< 1590842680 401747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that foo version of things looks familiar to me
< 1590842710 14317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no clear most general type is I guess all I was trying to say.
< 1590842729 829446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1590842761 641512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my experience is that "most general type" equvialents might exist, but aren't actually types, they're some sort of complicated set of constraints
< 1590842792 734668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some examples in my thesis where, due to constraint loops that are solvable, the normal subtyping relationships break down
< 1590842792 844191 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there could be something to reason about possible types in these cases? Which would complicate algorithms and maybe a type system itself, but maybe wouldn’t look too inhumane?
< 1590842821 12619 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I think my experience is that "most general type" equvialents might exist, but aren't actually types, they're some sort of complicated set of constraints => something like that!
< 1590842866 873715 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s nontrivial that typechecking can be that nontrivial
< 1590842874 701207 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/be/become
< 1590842991 898109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523's PhD thesis> Fact 6.2.13. There are terms which type in SCC and Bounded ICA, and which have all types for that term differ only in the bounds, but for which there is a covariant position in those types such that the set of bounds that can appear in that position in some type for that term is not the same as the set of all nonnegative integers.
< 1590843018 863869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is basically an argument against the existence of most-general-types
< 1590843033 457430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't expect to see extra restrictions in covariant positions
< 1590843048 376537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fact in my thesis is a counterexample to a conjecture by someone else)
< 1590843078 511119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave an explicit such term, λ q.(λ g.g(λ x.g(qx)))(λ b.(λ k.((k(λ u.u))(λ l.((kb)(λ m.(l(m( skip ))))))))(λ v.λ w.wv))
< 1590843090 255145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of surprising that it's the simplest known term with that property
< 1590843096 439639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("skip" is an arbitrary constant)
< 1590843106 209868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has base type)
< 1590843188 943249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \q -> (\g -> g(\x -> g (q x)))(\b -> (\k ->(\u -> u))(\l -> ((k b)(\m -> (l(m(0))))))))(\v -> \w -> w v))
< 1590843190 182139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: parse error on input ‘)’
< 1590843219 22853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \q -> (\g -> g(\x -> g (q x)))(\b -> (\k -> ((k(\u -> u))(\l -> ((k b)(\m -> (l(m(0))))))))(\v -> \w -> w v))
< 1590843220 148963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num t => (t -> t -> t) -> t
< 1590843228 739574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \q -> (\g -> g(\x -> g (q x)))(\b -> (\k -> ((k(\u -> u))(\l -> ((k b)(\m -> (l(m(0))))))))(\v -> \w -> w v))
< 1590843228 849042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (ap id . flip (.)) (flip (ap ($ id) . flip flip (. ($ 0)) . ((.) .) . flip id) (flip id))
< 1590843241 118367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just curious
< 1590843263 772577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC doesn't see anything interesting about the term, but i guess that's because it isn't doing anything linear-logic-like
< 1590843298 742977 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1590843354 551117 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1590843402 295965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip flip
< 1590843403 379281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> (a -> b -> c) -> a -> c
< 1590843566 611649 :rain1!~debian@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1590843584 112858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the minimum set of constants required to implement @pl?
< 1590843594 234837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it TC?
< 1590843639 925263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.)
< 1590843640 978846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c
< 1590843642 893431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap
< 1590843644 148503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1590843658 289155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($)
< 1590843659 633373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1590843666 496391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? duloc
< 1590843668 181980 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :duloc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1590843671 21818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, ap is the monad version of ($)
< 1590843762 491595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k/y, I suppose?
< 1590843787 824142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus things like constructors and eliminators to handle data types.
< 1590843835 758884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x x)(\x -> x x)
< 1590843838 826792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap id id (ap id id)
< 1590843838 972713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue.
< 1590843862 120286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I wonder if its optimizer went into an infinite loop
< 1590843867 741315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1590843885 127857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the double mockingbird even types in Haskell, does it?
< 1590843888 489643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\x -> x x)
< 1590843889 729442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error:
< 1590843889 729492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    • Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t ~ t -> t1
< 1590843889 832597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    • In the first argument of ‘x’, namely ‘x’
< 1590843892 498215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1590843893 263846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl isn't typed
< 1590843908 697868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id id
< 1590843910 179170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error:
< 1590843910 179217 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    • Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a ~ a -> b
< 1590843910 282858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Expected type: (a -> b) -> a
< 1590843940 813023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps s and k alone are enough in that case
< 1590843949 495920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write y and/or z in terms of them
< 1590843992 933490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For @pl's purposes, sure, but if you give it type-checking Haskell it will produce a type-checked pl version.
< 1590844021 159629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl foo x = if x == 0 then 0 else f (x - 1)
< 1590844021 159699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = ap (flip if' 0 . (0 ==)) (f . subtract 1)
< 1590844032 195993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1590844036 571842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl foo x = if x == 0 then 0 else foo (x - 1)
< 1590844036 724431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = fix (ap (flip if' 0 . (0 ==)) . (. subtract 1))
< 1590844060 757430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so now we have a fixed-point combinator
< 1590844108 186282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and y is enough to implement that sort of fixed-point combinator in a lazy language
< 1590844138 607988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> 2 - x)
< 1590844141 138621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: <<loop>>
< 1590844156 145987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's fixed-point combinator kind-of sucks, though
< 1590844165 947053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1590844178 838356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x -> 2 - x has a fixed point, but Haskell's fix couldn't find it
< 1590844197 825535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did find it.
< 1590844212 30699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brachylog ~-₂?w
< 1590844214 339358 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ false.
< 1590844226 138105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, ~- is +
< 1590844227 389709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean you want a specific fixed point, but it always finds the least fixed point.
< 1590844257 265940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the answer to this question: Why do type theory types require recursion to be strictly positive, rather than just positive?
< 1590844262 56400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what determines whether a fixed point is higher or lower than bottom?
< 1590844280 280579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean by positive recursion
< 1590844295 775290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean types that are recursive and refer to themselves in positive position.
< 1590844312 790993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a partial order of definedness, with bottom at the bottom (hence the name).
< 1590844342 245825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brachylog 2-↙..w
< 1590844343 517934 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ true.
< 1590844346 315191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1590844373 124282 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does haskell even have to have a finite basis of combinators for @pl, given that you can't type some of the untyped combinators?
< 1590844387 29843 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need an infinite set of looping combinators
< 1590844406 345898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, I see, so to get a result from fix, you need to write f in such a way that f bottom != bottom
< 1590844429 853960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll afk very soon, be back in 2.5 days probably
< 1590844466 545538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1590844528 816572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's only possible if f takes multiple arguments, so that the argument that isn't bottom can be used to determine whether or not to look at the first argument
< 1590844540 41945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if f ignores its first argument entirely, I guess
< 1590844550 143870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (const 8)
< 1590844551 867344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1590844578 738995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> x == true)
< 1590844580 471226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1590844580 471280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     • Variable not in scope: true :: Bool
< 1590844580 471298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     • Perhaps you meant data constructor ‘True’ (imported from Data.Bool)
< 1590844585 376983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> x == True)
< 1590844588 176748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: <<loop>>
< 1590844592 165301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (\x -> x == False)
< 1590844595 4391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: <<loop>>
< 1590844605 189175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's possible in other cases.
< 1590844607 338963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (1:)
< 1590844608 990028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1...
< 1590844609 984670 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-231.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1590844638 850131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, the bottom is at the tail of the infinite list
< 1590844652 318308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix fix
< 1590844654 211015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1590844654 320355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     • Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a ~ a -> a
< 1590844654 425926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Expected type: a -> a
< 1590844659 250597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> `! brachylog 2-↙..w  <HackEso> 1 \ true. => how does it do that?
< 1590844699 608015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: . is a variable in Brachylog, and concatenation means "assert equal" so 2-↙.. means "assert that 2 minus . equals ."
< 1590844718 502151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I then use w to output the value of .
< 1590844723 772739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a constraint solver to figure out what value it has to have
< 1590844752 527324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I like constraint solvers.
< 1590844759 212229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how Prolog works.
< 1590844775 888422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ↙ is just used to give - an argument because Brachylog operators are unary by default unless you explicitly make them binary
< 1590844783 812783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just defined to use backtracking?
< 1590844793 492068 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shachaf: ah, so that’s why it called -log!
< 1590844804 323959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in original/standard Prolog, yes, but modern Prolog has deviated from that somewhat
< 1590844812 305156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are now two levels of solving ability
< 1590844822 309358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outer one uses backtracking, the inner one uses a constraint solver
< 1590844844 38456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, even in traditional Prolog, there was some limited constraint-solving ability that didn't involve backtracking
< 1590844855 708295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if we have a Prolog impl in HackEso to demosntrate, though
< 1590844864 944645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is also pretty related to index notation, I think.
< 1590844873 589525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, index notation is so good.
< 1590844895 198105 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember something like this discussed here
< 1590844896 592611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, e.g., concat([1,2,3],B,A), B=[4,5,6] will give you the output A=[1,2,3,4,5,6] with no backtracking involved
< 1590844907 371405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's one of the case that traditional prolog's constraint-solver handles
< 1590844950 213450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because the naive thing would be to assign values to B and A at the first statement, and then backtrack when you see that your guess for B was wrong?
< 1590844959 249775 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can one mix Prolog and session types?
< 1590844961 758849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, it's called "append", not "concat"
< 1590844968 835075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right
< 1590844993 363625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write append(B,[1,2,3],A),B=[4,5,6]. then the constraint solver can't handle it
< 1590845011 157805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the backtracker is engaged, it finds the solution A=[4,5,6,1,2,3], then goes into an infinite loop looking for a second solution
< 1590845027 16797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying longer and longer guesses for B
< 1590845039 806578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't it handle it?
< 1590845054 573001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a special case for the end of the list but not for the start of a list
< 1590845071 420918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just a super-duper-special-case-a-majig.
< 1590845081 355424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?- append([1,2,3],B,A).
< 1590845081 458568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1590845082 904499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = [1, 2, 3|B].
< 1590845092 442750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, we can see the special case being written in the output
> 1590845095 164246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Symbols14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73082&oldid=73081 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10/* Javascript */ fix
< 1590845096 195293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, I see now, maybe that makes sense.
< 1590845100 829310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a linked list structure.
< 1590845112 929520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the origin of difference lists, I remember now.
< 1590845129 724665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cut elimination
< 1590845130 53047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the special case is actually for an unknown argument to a functor
< 1590845130 931900 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cut-elimination theorem states that any Prolog program written using the cut operator ! can be rewritten without using that operator.
< 1590845131 916512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "cons"
< 1590845152 163374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that for a list, the constraint solver handles unknown elements and unknown tails, but no other cases
> 1590845212 709433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Phile14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73083&oldid=71332 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */
> 1590845234 993743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Phile14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73084&oldid=73083 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Syntax */
< 1590845246 827567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the explicit evaluation order is one of the least elegant things about Prolog
< 1590845253 547632 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it should have been using some length information in the `append` definition. But then it would need to compute lengths of known arguments and it may end up slow without caching which list had been shown to have which length
< 1590845283 988771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the normal implementation "append" (and the implementation in the standard library) works by looping over all possible lengths
< 1590845340 754070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?- length(B, 3), append(B, [1,2,3], A), B=[4,5,6].
< 1590845340 863435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1590845342 400440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B = [4, 5, 6],
< 1590845343 876402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = [4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3].
> 1590845358 872327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HGFTSNOA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73085&oldid=71724 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* Function arguments/return */
< 1590845360 17922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we set the length of B explicitly, there's no backtracking involved because "append" has only one case to check
> 1590845377 838245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73086&oldid=72868 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-22) 10/* Random name generator */
< 1590845394 668664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for the infinite loop without the "length" is just that nothing is known about B until after "append" runs, and Prolog has a set evaluation order so it can't take into account any knowledge about what B is about to become
< 1590845440 599266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would Prolog be like if it was more like a SAT solver?
> 1590845442 998007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Function x(y)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73087&oldid=70797 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-64) 10/* Syntax */ rm link
< 1590845485 531034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have plans for something like this already
< 1590845506 940513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main idea is to start off by evaluating anything that can be evaluated efficiently, then anything that can be evaluated in known finite time
< 1590845517 254984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only resort to an infinite brute-force as the last resort
< 1590845535 21355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even then, breadth-first is better than depth-first so that you search every point in the infinite tree)
< 1590845573 986949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or iterative deepening.
< 1590845587 501889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterative deepening and breadth-first are equivalent
< 1590845606 404213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference is that iterative deepening re-checks some cases it's already checked, in order to save the memory needed to remember that it's already checked them
< 1590845615 19958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1590845636 888757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm, not necessarily?
< 1590845667 53258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're doing something like alpha-beta pruning, can iterative deepening be better than breadth-first search?
< 1590845694 201371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting; you'd need to use the alpha and beta values from lower levels to prune the higher levels in order to get any gain
< 1590845701 651777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, is there a really nice way that I should understand PVS/Scout?
< 1590845723 190452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you might get a better ordering on the earlier levels that you can use for the later levels.
< 1590845736 829215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since alpha-beta is sensitive to the order of the nodes.
< 1590845771 574661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually not really sure what breadth-first alpha-beta would mean.
< 1590845781 302819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the best way to understand PVS is that it's like alpha-beta search, but instead of setting alpha and beta to worst case values, you set them to best case values so that the search can go faster
< 1590845809 744159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you then have to redo the search if your values turned out to be too optimisitic, but luckily it's always possible to discover this during your iteration
< 1590845835 42530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's interesting, do you have a concrete case in mind?
< 1590845847 964506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I'll try to think of one, maybe after sleeping.
< 1590845855 783122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used in chess programs a lot
< 1590845873 747176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean a concrete tree that makes this best-case thing really clear.
< 1590845890 961454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably work it out myself given your hint.
< 1590845904 656634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :concrete search trees are a pain to come up with
< 1590845914 878823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I just mean something small. Let me see.
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< 1590845949 420749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For regular alpha-beta, the insight is that if you have something like min(5, max(8, ...), ...), you don't need to compute the rest of the arguments to max.
< 1590845970 82776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1590845985 741758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need three levels of tree for PVS?
< 1590846017 157759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in PVS you see min(5, …) and just assume that nothing in the … will be lower than a 5
< 1590846047 746341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to verify that, of course, but verifying it is faster than doing a full alpha-beta search because you don't track the values of alpha and beta
< 1590846062 336165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the verification fails, then you need to do a proper search because you have no idea what went wrong
< 1590846108 936830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a different intution: a true depth-first search is "give me the exact evaluation of this position"
< 1590846125 378558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alpha-beta search is "give me the exact evaluation of this position if it's in the range 5 to 8, otherwise just say 'too low' or 'too high'"
< 1590846147 297820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a PVS search is "let me know if this position evaluates to ≥ 5 or < 5"
< 1590846183 41935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which position? E.g. the second argument to min?
< 1590846231 829345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a PVS you do a proper alpha-beta search from the suspected-best candidate move in each position, then just try to prove that none of the others are better than it
< 1590846273 119415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, e.g. from the starting position in chess, if you think e4 is the best move, you get an evaluation for e4 using alpha-beta, then evaluate the position after d4 using a binary evaluation ("worse than e4" / "better than e4")
< 1590846288 874223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's worse, you're good; if it's better, you need to do a full search again in order to find out the exact evaluation
< 1590846289 868026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the assumption here that alpha-beta will *probably* say ">= 5"?
< 1590846293 571858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1590846315 221893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this is sounding pretty helpful.
< 1590846332 30625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so PVS is really dependent on getting the moves in the right order; getting them in the wrong order doesn't affect correctness but the performance tanks
< 1590846350 267124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the reason the binary evaluation can be faster than full evaluation?
< 1590846439 64641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with alpha/beta there's an overlap in the cutoff ranges for low cutoffs and high cutoffs, a value between alpha and beta can't be cut off whether it's high or low
< 1590846440 399421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the reason it can be expressed using a regular alpha-beta search, just with different values for alpha and beta?
< 1590846466 281975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I can work out the answers to both of those questions with what you've given me.
< 1590846468 81665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a PVS trial search out of an alpha-beta search algorithm you set alpha=beta
< 1590846477 432464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's less (i.e. no) overlap in the cutoff ranges
< 1590846486 532101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes cutoffs more frequent so the search goes faster
< 1590846528 324092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(err, alpha and beta might have to differ by 1 depending on what your convention for range endpoints is, the idea is that every value is either a low cutoff when looking for low cutoffs, or else a high cutoff when looking for high cutoffs)
< 1590846546 524390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas alpha-beta has "in between" values)
< 1590846659 354053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is seeming really nice but unfortunately I really need to go to sleep.
< 1590846693 2925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll think about this again after I wake up.
< 1590846699 368774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
< 1590846710 968226 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good night!
< 1590846894 464831 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please ping me any time if you would make something with these “sensible ordered Prolog” ideas you wrote, that looks very interesting to test
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< 1590864494 10995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I thought of that one 3 weeks ago :P
< 1590864513 175884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only makes sense when it's short-lived.
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< 1590866391 78641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably a day early, though, May has 31 days
< 1590866538 873526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mayflies only last a few days I think
< 1590866544 592670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a few hours
< 1590869261 898713 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like bananas.
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< 1590874807 317151 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to make so that cycles would know which one is inside which
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< 1590918747 237560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Half-width spaces are a core ingredient of semi-Thue systems. )
< 1590919163 870806 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Friday's xkcd more than I really should... mainly because the title text mentions the two pairs I had most trouble memorizing, namely 6x7 and 7x8.
< 1590920287 983691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/w.jpg ... yeah seems to match up )
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< 1590925037 188881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting there to be at least one non-symmetric pair, just as a joke. Although I did my check just by reading the anti-diagonals.
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< 1590932822 67130 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( This May end soon. )
< 1590932887 712470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I started out like that and then I decided that there must be a less efficient way
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> 1590939611 471091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fscratch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73113&oldid=73112 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10/* Notes */
> 1590939636 626985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fscratch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73114&oldid=73113 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */
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> 1590950261 886291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73119&oldid=73116 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+42) 10
> 1590950346 612809 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73120&oldid=73119 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+5) 10
> 1590951684 787620 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PlusOrMinus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73121&oldid=72679 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10/* Resources */ fsa
> 1590951868 796789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XENBLN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73122&oldid=72314 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10
> 1590951900 878160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alphaprint14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73123&oldid=72988 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10/* Resources */
> 1590952318 732247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WII2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73124&oldid=70025 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+194) 10cats
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< 1590954186 803894 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to determine the METAFONT mode to use based on the parameters in the PostScript page device dictionary?
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> 1590964539 959047 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Increment14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73125&oldid=72703 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+11) 10You forgot to change the comment "-Works in..."
> 1590964703 114957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Increment14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73126&oldid=73125 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-88) 10What is the point of that comment?
> 1590964875 272135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Increment14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73127&oldid=73126 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+28) 10Users wont know which programming language is the shown in implementation
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> 1590966755 899326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Noobinary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73128&oldid=54538 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-15) 10There is no point for it
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> 1590968153 996606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Uyjhmn n14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73129&oldid=65788 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-43) 10Pretified
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> 1590968707 396824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck self-interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73130&oldid=69763 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-435) 10Replaced content with "::This page is not used right now"