01:47:48 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 01:51:19 [[Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73328&oldid=71673 * YamTokTpaFa * (+148) /* External Links */ 01:53:20 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:59:12 -!- Antebrationist has joined. 01:59:22 Hello once more. 01:59:36 I have a question for all of you geniuses on here. 02:00:04 How many brainfuck programs exist which output exactly 50 characters within 256 instructions? 02:00:53 I've been searching for them with a quasi brute-force approach, but I've found almost 17k programs that do so. 02:02:23 I'll post a sprunge of them when it reaches 20k. 02:17:47 If I understood the question right, and did the math right, there are at least 5327151263612113856592028031288357293732322332076200467262309800346394628426291212883947264300775921573593383740227957048726152605949525557473303467998398691978171103221141995520 boring such programs. 02:17:57 Wow. 02:18:09 How on earth did you work that out? 02:18:46 That was (256 choose 50 * 4^(256 - 50), the number of 256-character programs that contain 50 .s and an arbitrary sequence of <>+-, and no loops. 02:18:59 Yes, I figured the same thing as a minimum bound. 02:19:00 s/50/50)/ 02:19:08 Okay, thanks. 02:19:13 But as said, those are all pretty boring programs. 02:19:15 (Except that I haven't actually calculated it, but you have done.) 02:19:37 I think there's a lot more though. 02:20:06 Let x be a plus or minus symbol, and take programs of the following form. 02:20:07 Yes, there are probably more than that; these ones are only the ones without loops. 02:20:41 some chain of x [????] 02:20:59 the ???? can be .xxx x.xx xx.x or xxx. 02:21:01 Yes, there are many, many more, it's just much harder to calculate how many. 02:22:32 http://sprunge.us/um1R8P has just over 20k of the small ones. 02:23:52 Do you use the printobject and writeobject commands in PostScript (if you use PostScript at all)? 02:34:44 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 02:38:21 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 02:41:39 -!- adu has joined. 02:42:21 What do you think of my sprunge? 02:46:31 I looked at the first few. 02:46:47 At least, it explain better what you meant, I suppose. 02:47:05 Yeah. I'm using infinite tape, unbounded cells. 02:49:51 I've also solved the upper bound, but most of these will be invalid. 02:50:25 Actually, I know a way to find how many brainfuck programs of length x are valid, so I'll run it for 256. 02:52:11 There are 155251809230070893514897948846250255525688601711669661113905203802605095268637688633087840882864647795048773069713107320617158 02:52:32 Not sure why it formatted like that. 02:53:17 1552518092300708935148979488462502555256886017116696611139052038026050952686376886330878408828646477950487730697131073206171580044114814391444287275041181139204454976020849905550265285631598444825262999193716468750892846853816057856 02:53:30 That's the number. 02:58:01 -!- Antebrationist has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:07:18 -!- craigo has joined. 03:48:51 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:54:07 -!- imode has joined. 04:57:28 -!- aji` has changed nick to aji. 04:59:20 [[Hexar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73329&oldid=66266 * Voltage2007 * (-199) categories might be inaccurate 05:17:46 -!- aji has left ("WeeChat 2.6-dev"). 06:01:31 I played Pokemon card today, and my opponent won by tossing three coins; they needed at least two heads to win, and got two heads. If they had not won, then I would have won because I had the correct cards to win in my hand. So, that was a 50% chance to won or lose. Sometimes, that is what happens; that is how this game is doing. 06:09:31 if it's a 50% chance, why not just throw one coin? 06:11:06 Because of the effects of the cards. My card had 60 HP, their card had an attack which says 40 + flip a coin for each water energy attached to this card and add 10 for each heads. We each needed to knock out only one opponent's card to win. 06:11:15 That's why we used three coins rather than justo ne. 06:20:22 Someone mentioned that they needed to compare two different PNG files to see if the picture is the same, and that they could use stb_image and write such a program in fifty lines of code. But if I was needing to do that, I would instead use a command such as: cmp <(pngff < file1.png) <(pngff < file2.png) This is an advantage that farbfeld has over Netpbm (that same pictures are always the same data). 06:27:15 For the Pokemon card game, I used Go stones to mark the damage. If someone else is playing Pokemon card, is that what you use? 06:34:10 -!- rain1 has joined. 06:38:57 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 06:45:05 (It is probably possible to compare pictures with ImageMagick too.) 06:57:29 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:33:15 -!- craigo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:50:07 -!- LKoen has joined. 07:52:18 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:52:29 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:32:38 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 08:35:05 -!- j4cbo has quit (*.net *.split). 08:36:06 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:36:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambooripad_order 08:37:31 -!- j4cbo has joined. 09:13:03 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:17:25 -!- craigo has joined. 10:31:20 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:33:24 -!- sprocklem has joined. 10:45:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:47:10 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:48:17 -!- sprocklem has joined. 11:09:00 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 11:11:14 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:11:14 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 12:28:20 -!- TheLie has joined. 12:48:31 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:52:49 hi 13:12:46 -!- fungot has joined. 13:13:34 Oh, had forgotten fungot doesn't autostart. 13:13:34 fizzie: i have no idea how it works 13:13:39 :) 13:16:56 [ 200*12*0.0254 13:16:56 b_jonas: 60.96 13:37:54 Sounds quite imperial-metric. 13:38:40 fizzie: yes, 12*0.0254 is a foot 13:38:49 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 13:39:14 It did seem like something of that kind was afoot, yes. 13:39:31 those are the only conversions I know off the top of my head, I only know very bad approximations for the mile, pound, ounces etc 13:39:46 luckily the internet knows the exact values 13:39:54 25.4mm for an inch is also the only one I remember. 13:40:11 oh wait, I think I also know the Fahrenheit to Celsius coefficients 13:40:19 ``` cat /hackenv/bin/f2c # these 13:40:22 cat: /hackenv/bin/f2c: No such file or directory 13:40:24 um 13:40:29 ``` cat /hackenv/bin/ftoc 13:40:30 ​#!/usr/bin/perl \ $f=0+$ARGV[0]; printf"%.2f°F = %.2f°C\n",$f,($f-32)*5/9; 13:40:32 those, yes 13:40:48 I only ever remember the 32 of those. 13:43:08 the linear factor is simple, it's the same as the aspect ratio of the sides of my home monitor, as opposed to the more narrow aspect ratio of the more common monitors such as the smaller ones I have to use at work 13:53:51 Hmm, I don't think I've heard of... 9:5? 18:10? 13:54:24 fizzie: yes, 1920x1200 pixels, each pixel is a square 13:54:40 That's 16:10. 13:54:46 Or 8:5. 13:54:49 oh wait 13:54:54 ok I confused myself 13:56:13 . o O (Is there a word for "mnemonic" except that it makes you remember something wrong?) 13:57:03 It's still a menomonic, isn't it. 13:57:16 modulo the typo. 13:57:49 [noun] 1. mnemonic -- (a device (such as a rhyme or acronym) used to aid recall) [adj] 1. mnemonic, mnemotechnic, mnemotechnical -- (of or relating to or involved the practice of aiding the memory; "mnemonic device") 13:57:59 Well, maybe. 13:58:18 dunno, call it a nmenomic maybe 14:05:33 An anemonic. No, that's already something. 14:12:02 I guess the question is whether "mindless" has a nice translation into Greek that starts with mne-... then you could add -ic to that. 14:15:12 -!- Remavas has joined. 14:19:34 [[Hexar]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73330&oldid=73329 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+15) 14:25:25 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Demonthos * New user account 14:34:49 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73331&oldid=73254 * Demonthos * (+225) /* Introductions */ 14:40:14 [[Emblia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73332&oldid=70458 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) rm redlink 14:59:51 [[Countercall]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73333&oldid=68889 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+18) cat /* See also */ 15:05:25 [[Skastic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73334&oldid=52982 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+38) stub + cat 15:07:55 [[JR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73335&oldid=54919 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) /* Sample programs */ quine 15:08:14 [[JR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73336&oldid=73335 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) /* External resources */ cat 15:08:36 [[JR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73337&oldid=73336 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+6) 15:24:32 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:27:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:46:15 -!- craigo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:02:55 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:21:36 -!- TheLie has joined. 16:31:18 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Misterblue28 * New user account 16:34:21 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73338&oldid=73331 * Misterblue28 * (+203) 16:40:22 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:40:42 -!- moony has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:40:52 -!- iovoid has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:02:28 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:14:54 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:16:37 -!- TheLie has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:22:43 [[Piquant]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=73339 * Misterblue28 * (+2398) Created page with "'''Piquant''' is an esoteric programming language, in which all code blocks are treated as conditionally selectable states. == Overview == Piquant has a one-dimensional array..." 17:22:47 -!- adu has joined. 17:23:55 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73340&oldid=73274 * Misterblue28 * (+14) /* P */ 17:39:16 [[Piquant]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73341&oldid=73339 * Misterblue28 * (+232) /* Example programs */ 17:39:23 -!- iovoid has joined. 17:39:32 -!- moony has joined. 17:42:47 [[Piquant]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73342&oldid=73341 * Misterblue28 * (+42) /* Overview */ 17:46:29 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 18:09:05 -!- rain1 has joined. 18:22:25 -!- imode has joined. 18:52:53 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:53:27 [[User:Hakerh400/TFNP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73343&oldid=73326 * Hakerh400 * (+4578) 18:59:49 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:03:03 -!- LKoen has quit (Client Quit). 19:07:06 [[User:Hakerh400/TFNP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73344&oldid=73343 * Hakerh400 * (+29) 19:41:03 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:44:22 -!- Remavas-Hex has joined. 19:44:38 -!- Remavas has quit (Disconnected by services). 19:44:44 -!- Remavas-Hex has changed nick to Remavas. 19:53:02 fungot: is software evil? 19:53:02 int-e: to use an interpreter: interpreter program note: program can be the best 19:53:24 fungot: I don't like that answer, where do I change it? 19:53:24 int-e: what difference does it make 19:56:25 hahahahahahaha. 19:59:47 (Evil software: I accidently clicked the "call" button in the telegram client (linux desktop). So I looked for the option to disable that button. Seems there is none. Not even a confirmation dialog.) 20:03:02 int-e: I don't know what this telegram client is, but good luck 20:03:50 -!- TheLie has joined. 20:07:17 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 20:15:28 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:19:25 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 20:24:47 [[Anti-Array]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=73345 * Demonthos * (+2106) Created page with "== the idea == Anti-array is a programming language without arrays or stacks. Instead of either, it allows you to interpret a string as code. This allows you to programmatic..." 20:28:49 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73346&oldid=73340 * Demonthos * (+17) /* A */ 20:28:57 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:09:12 int-e: try to make a group, even if just with another person. I looked at a group of three and there’s no call button 21:09:42 (in a group of nine, too, but I thought maybe there’s just too many people) 21:09:59 though that’s about a windows client 21:18:36 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: zzo38). 21:19:57 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:23:39 arseniiv: it just seems so inconsiderate 21:23:49 yes 21:23:52 actively distubring another person should take more than a single click 21:27:50 I saw people saying sorry when accidentally clicking on the button like this or trying to enter a particular character (in a custom layout) in Skype (ow, IIRC that wasn’t switchable off either). I can totally understand that though luckily no one called me when I was using phone (as I don’t use speakers on a computer for a couple of years). So I didn’t thought about these issues much, but yes 21:30:30 hm I was lucky not to call anyone myself. Though I was inconsiderate to text several times when the person still slept (not that I wake early, so I thought others are awake at the time I am) 21:30:59 to text or to send a cat photo 21:31:05 Ah the victim took it in good humor. I just don't want a repeat 21:32:20 indeed 21:36:02 Is there alternative program, or are you able to alter the program, or to tell whoever makes it? 21:36:07 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:39:19 arseniiv: the irritating bit is that there's no microphone connected. hmm. 21:41:11 int-e: hm also indeed like zzo38 says I heard there are several alternative clients, I just hadn’t browsed them at all myself 21:41:18 I guess alsa makes it hard to figure that out 21:53:13 arseniiv: there's a ticket... doesn't seem to be a popular request :/ https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/3583 21:53:50 -!- Taneb has quit (*.net *.split). 21:53:50 -!- b_jonas has quit (*.net *.split). 21:53:51 -!- ocharles has quit (*.net *.split). 21:53:51 -!- dog_star has quit (*.net *.split). 21:53:51 -!- BWBellairs has quit (*.net *.split). 21:54:13 -!- Taneb has joined. 21:54:13 -!- b_jonas has joined. 21:54:13 -!- ocharles has joined. 21:54:13 -!- dog_star has joined. 21:54:13 -!- BWBellairs has joined. 21:55:09 -!- spruit11 has quit (*.net *.split). 21:55:09 -!- trn has quit (*.net *.split). 21:55:15 Oh and I was going to look at other clients, but I'm not too hopeful there. 21:55:17 * int-e shrugs. 21:55:30 -!- spruit11 has joined. 21:55:30 -!- trn has joined. 21:55:42 This is all kind of non-esoteric, but the question whether software is inherently evil did seem appropriate :) 21:55:44 -!- trn has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 21:56:23 -!- trn has joined. 21:56:35 -!- tswett[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:56:37 -!- xylochoron[m] has quit (*.net *.split). 21:56:37 -!- oren has quit (*.net *.split). 21:57:52 -!- Melvar has quit (*.net *.split). 21:57:53 -!- shachaf has quit (*.net *.split). 21:58:12 -!- Melvar has joined. 21:58:12 -!- shachaf has joined. 21:58:28 -!- oren has joined. 21:58:33 -!- rodgort` has quit (*.net *.split). 21:58:33 -!- HackEso has quit (*.net *.split). 21:58:33 -!- hakatashi has quit (*.net *.split). 21:58:33 -!- Deewiant_ has quit (*.net *.split). 21:58:33 -!- clog has quit (*.net *.split). 21:58:33 -!- kmc has quit (*.net *.split). 21:59:39 -!- rodgort` has joined. 21:59:40 -!- HackEso has joined. 21:59:40 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:59:40 -!- Deewiant_ has joined. 21:59:40 -!- clog has joined. 21:59:40 -!- kmc has joined. 21:59:55 -!- wmww has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:02:58 int-e: it is, it is, maybe just the tiniest programs aren’t! 22:03:28 lambda calculus is also evil, but pi calculus is 22:08:34 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 22:10:33 -!- wmww has joined. 22:16:02 -!- tswett[m] has joined. 22:18:40 -!- xylochoron[m] has joined. 22:26:59 [[Anti-Array]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73347&oldid=73345 * Demonthos * (+101) /* tokens */ 22:33:43 [[Anti-Array]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73348&oldid=73347 * Demonthos * (+74) /* tokens */ 23:10:01 [[Anti-Array]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73349&oldid=73348 * Demonthos * (+132) /* syntax */ 23:10:20 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 23:11:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:11:59 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 23:16:44 -!- craigo has joined. 23:36:29 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:37:09 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:39:13 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:40:55 -!- imode has joined. 23:47:34 -!- xelxebar_ has joined. 23:47:43 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection).