< 1594857800 790608 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594857801 453497 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594857949 651469 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594858032 606890 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594858160 463195 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594858534 954998 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594858609 778785 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1594859493 400638 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594861505 553321 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594861857 193856 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594869817 779814 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1594871559 489319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Temporary Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75991&oldid=75837 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1) 10 > 1594871602 554504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75992&oldid=75843 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+54) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594872269 649144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitdeque14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75993&oldid=75946 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 < 1594872900 718559 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594874942 355873 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594874947 867784 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c PART :#esoteric < 1594874953 196241 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594875583 926194 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594878322 771788 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1594878904 555336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75994&oldid=75976 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1093) 10Fizz Buzz in maths < 1594879183 26114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1594879185 197878 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:1283) I have just learned about "SMASH FACE ON KEYBOARD; POST RESULTS". --- quit: hppavilion[1] (Quit: Leaving) --- join: hppavilion[1] [...] joined #esoteric ...that was the result, apparently Dammit, f4 \ 933) it's almost like Haskell is a programming language and not some kind of mathematical rhetorical arguing device < 1594879475 647106 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1594880265 144260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75995&oldid=75994 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+424) 10Truth-machine fn > 1594882227 295068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75996&oldid=75594 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+54) 10 > 1594882265 12930 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75997&oldid=75992 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-54) 10 < 1594884432 788892 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594884467 557167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75998&oldid=75971 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+120) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594886151 658244 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594887126 741066 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594887679 233411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594887771 549896 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594889676 594351 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594890462 784315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75999&oldid=75923 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (-8) 10Made it finished < 1594892396 57222 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594893359 930271 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594893855 162564 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594894187 267790 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594894317 626461 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594894781 577577 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594895351 978144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great job, Amazon UK. There's these two hard drive models (WD40EFRX and WD40EFAX) with the same branding, but the difference that the first one uses CMR while the second one uses (DM-)SMR. Amazon was selling both, with a £15 price difference. < 1594895357 650252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordered the first one, because of the well-documented issues SMR can have in some workloads. They sent me the WD40EFAX model, inside a bubble wrap that had a WD40EFRX sticker on it. < 1594895365 808333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returned it, complained to customer service (who assured me that they'd put a note on my account to ensure it doesn't happen again), ordered it again. < 1594895372 135406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sent me *another* WD40EFAX drive, again in bubble wrap with a WD40EFRX sticker on it. So returned that too, and this time complained to product support, who got it "escalated" to an "investigation". They temporarily stopped selling the WD40EFRX on amazon.co.uk. < 1594895382 976652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went back now to check whether their investigation has concluded. What they've done is, they've updated the model name in the WD40EFRX product to say WD40EFAX as well, as if it was the same drive, but kept the other details of the WD40EFRX drive. < 1594895401 319298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now they're selling "WD Red 4TB NAS 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drive - 5400 RPM Class, SATA 6 Gb/s, SMR, 256 MB Cache - WD40EFAX" at £104 (fair enough), *and* "WD Red 4TB NAS 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drive - 5400 RPM Class, SATA 6 Gb/s, CMR, 64 MB Cache WD40EFAX" (which isn't even a thing that exists) at £120. < 1594895431 379384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was all "Dispatched and sold by Amazon" stuff, not even third-party sellers.) < 1594895450 834568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've run out of ways to escalate that, so I guess I'll just give up. Sorry for the rant, just had to offload it somewhere. < 1594895902 992493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you know any tech journalists who've been writing all those articles about the CMR-vs-SMR bait and switch, feel free to give them a tip, maybe that'd motivate someone to fix it properly.) < 1594895943 926417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1594896150 195890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMR seems to be making a very weird tradeoff (which I have yet to fully understand) < 1594896238 398992 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for bait&switch, I've only heard of this, fortunately. < 1594896635 753079 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594896657 721574 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594899039 208352 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1594899180 839621 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1594899655 491556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think SMR would've meant much to me in practice (it'd be just one half of a classic RAID 1 mirror that doesn't get written a lot), just thought I'd rather not, and then it became more of a matter of not getting what I ordered. < 1594899659 459387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, while they did the refund for the second return immadiately, the first one is still in "refund will be started once we receive your item" state even though the parcel tracking service says it was delivered to Amazon two weeks or so ago. < 1594899829 961186 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594899833 87091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highly annoying :-( < 1594901754 750921 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594903731 368346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \a b -> (a `xor` b == 1) == (abs (a-b) == 1 && even (min a b)) < 1594903733 784491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1594904328 447633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I started out with the thing on the right.) < 1594904442 422728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been toying around with this: https://paste.debian.net/1156599/ (that is, count the number of solutions to that "Regnarok puzzle" I brought up yesterday.) < 1594905032 989840 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594905062 610561 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1207 < 1594905064 419524 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1207: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1594905340 862779 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fare well < 1594905574 963876 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've been toying around with this: https://paste.debian.net/1156599/ => how do you think, can it be solved neatly without enumerating a massive amount of things on a computer? purely pencil and paper style? < 1594905797 5419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it's in the middle < 1594905832 787836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit more tedious than I'd be comfortable with on pen&paper. < 1594905841 8114 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the kind of puzzle I’m not experienced with at all < 1594905853 835487 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyword is dynamic programming. < 1594905869 626129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it turns out this thing has an OEIS entry. < 1594905917 875595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use brute force too, it will finish. < 1594905931 782171 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, it turns out this thing has an OEIS entry. => a sequence for various dimensions of the Jormungard (oh I think I made at least three errors in there writing by memory) < 1594905934 881943 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1594905954 954738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :varying the width < 1594905989 301386 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d vary the height too, I think there should be a decent generalization which leaves only two degree 3 vertices < 1594906024 768483 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd advise against it. < 1594906128 205799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can ask the question but the counting will get more difficult.) < 1594906272 978298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so, the kind of puzzle I’m not experienced with at all" <-- also the kind of puzzle I tend to enjoy a lot < 1594906275 621970 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat olist.new > /hackenv/bin/olist < 1594906278 233630 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1594906298 391305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hbrl olist < 1594906299 470722 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hbrl? No such file or directory < 1594906305 846850 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist will now print the URL of the strip if you give it just a number as the argument; it will keep printing the arguments verbatim otherwise < 1594906310 222514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl bin/olist < 1594906311 350015 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1594906316 150724 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl ../bin/olist < 1594906317 508708 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/bin/olist < 1594906349 988018 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to test in private message < 1594906395 743655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to see the change. < 1594906415 247475 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bash black magic, I don't know how it works < 1594906441 640220 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I practicularly don't understand the xargs part that prints the tail, I just took that from the existing command < 1594906615 994729 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: https://gist.github.com/int-e/7bb736e366337379442d5899b3899963 is what I did :) < 1594906657 259745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(totally hardcoded to 4xn size) < 1594906733 432852 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: neat < 1594906747 186914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I’m lazy to read it properly for now < 1594909535 749030 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" BTW I find it suspicious how it became to be that English somehow didn’t have a reaction to sneezing of its own" => I think "bless you" is the normal reply < 1594909549 221866 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gesundheit" just took over because it sounds better < 1594909568 937106 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, germans tend to do world domination < 1594909583 721304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: speak for yourself < 1594909663 504187 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594911214 542702 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" They sent me *another* WD40EFAX drive, again in bubble wrap with a WD40EFRX sticker on it." => hehe, https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0085.html < 1594911267 734719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... almost fell for that one. < 1594911357 483329 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911357 628556 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911358 16586 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911358 239943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911449 923721 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911449 923787 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911449 923802 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911450 26711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911488 765194 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you at least got your money back < 1594911506 120048 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594911548 303296 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "SMR" stands for shingled. that makes more sense < 1594911709 988710 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Also, while they did the refund for the second return immadiately, the first one is still in "refund will be started once we receive your item" state even though the parcel tracking service says it was delivered to Amazon two weeks or so ago." ah < 1594912305 174010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594913238 952507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1594914331 29725 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1594914347 223018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76000&oldid=75954 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+1768) 10Give an idiom for extensible conditional testing in Burro. < 1594915334 775886 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594915625 426522 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1594915683 482176 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1594919462 779375 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594919854 682277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1594921170 290305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76001&oldid=75980 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+87) 10 < 1594921953 374614 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594922179 26825 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594922891 737442 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594922904 822369 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a new hard disk, what would you recommend ? < 1594922930 341080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy one < 1594922973 754332 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you do not already have a suitable one. < 1594923008 168520 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:ec5a:ad1:21e0:91bc JOIN :#esoteric < 1594923088 338307 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whch one? < 1594923214 966560 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I have is Western Digital < 1594923294 129654 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy one from the other brand than your current one, then when you inevitably hear stories about why a particular brand of hard disks sucks, you at least won't think darn it, all my hard disks are of that brand < 1594923327 572139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both samsung and WD in my computer for that reason < 1594923381 850233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, like, if all of them have a mistake or feature or backdoor that causes them to simultaneously die at a round mayan date or whatever, at least some of your hard disks have a chance to work < 1594923412 551731 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1594923416 548461 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried SSD? < 1594923423 125672 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was interesting but dont have one < 1594923434 606392 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, some of them might share pieces of software, in which case you're screwed anyway. it's like when I have vlc, mplayer and ffmpeg on my computer, but it turns out that the backend they use to compress h2.64 video is actually the same one library, so it's not like when there's a bug in one I can just use the other) < 1594923465 100727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I will buy an SSD, but not as a primary hard disk, just as a cache or hot stuff mostly. I don't trust SSDs to be reliable, < 1594923479 874042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that they can just go completely unreadable out of the blue, more so than hard disks. < 1594923769 766315 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that sounsd horrible < 1594923781 205983 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there the program to implement that caching? How would it be working effectively? < 1594924115 407018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it's in the linux kernel, with some userspace stuff only to set it up, but I don't know the details < 1594924127 207950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't bought an SSD yet so I haven't researched it < 1594924146 568104 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll buy one "soon" (within ten years) < 1594924665 147692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do with my SSD-and-HDD setup is, since the HDD is almost an order of magnitude larger than the HDD, I just have a thing to keep a mirror of the SSD contents on the HDD, updated once a day or so. < 1594924690 484112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my personal experience with spinning disk failures has so far all been "went completely unreadable out of the blue" as well. < 1594924737 19012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the exception of one drive which was "was sending smartd error emails for a week before it went completely unreadable, but I wasn't reading that email address", which admittedly is more in the 'my fault' column. < 1594924756 55101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/than the HDD/than the SSD/ < 1594924803 927943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Banarch-Tarski brand HDDs are an order of magnitude larger than themselves. < 1594924899 874887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only advice is, don't try to buy a WD40EFRX from Amazon, for the reasons detailed earlier today. < 1594924917 525805 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 of my disks are dead < 1594924933 932955 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that story got me thinking < 1594925987 474642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have multiple disks, any one could break < 1594925997 161312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't always follow my own advice about backups < 1594926005 481124 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably not the right person to ask about them < 1594926009 732697 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about backup best practices < 1594926201 767689 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think "bless you" is the normal reply => oh, forgot about that one < 1594926266 389028 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I think about backups, I realize I don’t have enough disks < 1594926386 295274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with many disks is, if you choose to make one bigger, you may need to make the others bigger as well, and then it may become expensive. < 1594926497 526271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the three disks in my backup rotation cycle (one in the machine receiving weekly incremental backups, one on the shelf here, and one in an underground vault at an undisclosed location in the Finnish bedrock) are all 3TB, while the "working drives" in this machine are 4TB, which only works because I've excluded a bunch of useless junk from being backed-up. < 1594926598 836526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now the best price-per-unit-of-storage size seems to be either 6 TB or 8 TB, but if I were to switch to that, I'd need to buy approximately 5 of them. < 1594927179 804354 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I have less than 3 TB of non-backup space, and more than 200 GB is used to hold a file I don’t particularly want to have but it hasn’t anywhere else to go if I don’t want to devote one of removable disks to it, as there are just two and they hold backups. Though I should better place them in different locations, not in the same drawer centimeters apart < 1594927322 519973 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW is there any merit to wrap a removable HDD in metal foil as a kind of Faraday cage, would it be effective against EMP from a nearby lightning and does that happen often enough to be one of the main threats? < 1594927882 505820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any data to back this up (no terminology pun intended), but I would imagine that's not super high up the list of most common failure modes. < 1594928025 433066 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't think so. if you want to protect against lightning, pull out all cables from the hard disk and any other equipment nearby. < 1594928042 641668 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if it's still in a computer chasis, pull all the cables from the chasis < 1594928067 888897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typical computer chasis is already a Faraday cage, the lightning comes in on cables < 1594928076 383130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily on the power cable, it can come from a network cable too < 1594928098 255299 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PurpleStar TwitchSings * < 1594928100 104798 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: would that help from a nearby lightning which doesn’t cause a spike in the power network? < 1594928158 201851 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think so, if the cables are removed from all the other equipment nearby < 1594928163 296659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not an experts < 1594928178 936681 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard right near a lightning, as rare as it may be to be as near, there are quite a large field intensities. I don’t remember if I read about remagnetizing stuff, but I think I saw that somewhere < 1594928197 652754 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard disk data isn't too vulnerable to lightning strikes anyway. the electronics may be, but if it's only the electronics that breaks, a hard disk can still be read < 1594928213 338304 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can recover the data. when the electronics in an SSD breaks, you're screwed, there's no way to fix it. < 1594928231 881444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty relaxed definition of "can" though. < 1594928240 944389 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but one would need to get it to service which is not always as cheap(?..) < 1594928246 637927 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, you need a recovery service < 1594928316 840083 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, easier to recover from than when misbehaving software or malware or misbehaving wetware corrupts/deletes all your data < 1594928363 89312 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily on the power cable, it can come from a network cable too => hm also you reminded me it even may induce currents in the cables not connected to a power source or the like, and still fry something < 1594928400 191614 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, I specifically said "pull out all cables from ... and any other equipment nearby." < 1594928413 194650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was promised proper storms when I moved to the UK, but there's been hardly any. < 1594928457 24621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, make sure your house doesn't catch fire from the lightning. house fires don't usually destroy the hard disk, but they can cause other severe damage. < 1594928508 633422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make sure that if a lightning strikes a tree it doesn't fall onto your car < 1594928518 352449 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doesn't destroy hard disks but still < 1594928769 279933 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, make sure your house doesn't catch fire from the lightning => that can be pretty assured, it’s all bricks on the outside and concrete slabs somewhere inside :D < 1594928871 310387 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yeah, you don't live in America, it's easier here < 1594928892 489739 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don’t have a car yay. It certainly might be useful but it entails so much hassle with gasoline prices, service prices, bureaucracy and at the last it would be a hard thing to get a licence and actually drive with my degree of myopia :D < 1594928900 450572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we still have some ugly building fires sometimes, even in concrete buildings < 1594928947 126740 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d like to drive in an experimental environment where I don’t need to worry about having a license, just for fun to try it out < 1594928950 460177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly plausibly deniable motivated ones, like last time it was the offices of a political party, with lots of documents stored inside, that burned down in the city < 1594928970 538765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an old storage building right at my previous job < 1594928995 811723 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, plastics which burn readily and so on, but usually one needs to set them on fire in a solid manner < 1594929016 59433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you can certainly get a driving license with myopia. I have one, and I already had bad myopia back then. < 1594929031 198000 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it did get a bit worse, mostly in that my two eyes desyced < 1594929037 211219 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don’t see how I would drive in the city < 1594929038 101006 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have much worse binocular vision now < 1594929051 269838 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't drive either, I just have a driving license < 1594929061 813687 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the town is terrible, I'd be afraid to drive here < 1594929064 588 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :D < 1594929066 907924 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can drive when I'm away < 1594929090 12341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the license around when I started university. < 1594929119 144844 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t want to get a license for naught, it’s pretty much work and social interactions with dubious persons which would comment on my height or something < 1594929128 545144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"set them on fire in a solid manner" => good thing we have ubiquitious litium batteries for that now < 1594929141 265346 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1594929142 218660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not only in electric wheelchairs, they're in every consumer electronics device < 1594929145 402145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1594929171 82674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without that, there's the old-school car fuel or alcohol or other easily flammable liquids < 1594929175 73886 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are easy to buy < 1594929224 369806 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol especially these times as an antiseptic < 1594929266 320437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, all the pharma companies realized that stopping their factories and turning them to package hand sanitizers to tiny bottles earns them a lot of money, because there's a shortage of the bottles on the market, the actual alcohol and isopropil-alcohol is widely available, and < 1594929297 37508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike when making drugs, they don't need to follow all the expensive strict quality control laws to just make hand sanitizer bottles < 1594929302 800266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we don't have drugs < 1594929883 443664 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594929969 866678 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594930379 537408 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594930841 582688 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1594932686 406519 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594932713 984929 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594933816 281523 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could a multi resolution picture compression be done by predictive coding? Such as, to make a prediction based on the nearest smaller size, the nearest pixel to the value, perhaps. < 1594934108 934493 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we just use progressive jpegs for it mostly < 1594934121 940763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect really < 1594934133 916540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better than nothing < 1594934224 51221 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for one thing, I want to use lossless compression. < 1594934273 982414 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is might be wanted to decode as CMYK+spots < 1594935732 298798 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you intend to use that in TeXnicard for card images? Maybe it would be good to just vectorize all the images? (with a sufficiently high contour complexity so they would look pleasing) < 1594935749 300585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: No, I intend to use it for picture fonts. < 1594935791 306520 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, though I’d suggest the same here too < 1594935906 206689 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the images in a picture font aren’t too complex, right? Even emojis with color shades can be more or less well represented in vector. If one is allowed to use a blur filter as in SVG, much more so, I’d think < 1594936021 377364 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe it is; then just the pictures can be added using PostScript codes. < 1594936041 958752 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard does have a convolution filter command, so you can use that if you need blur < 1594936381 946939 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is not using SVG) > 1594939226 516725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Deppong14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76002 5* 03Deppong 5* (+61) 10added to my own page < 1594939393 963554 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594939931 716612 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594939961 489706 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941377 461882 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941377 461960 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941377 770481 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941377 946606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941780 312386 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941780 312448 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941780 312460 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941780 456437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric > 1594942281 480812 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vertical14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76003 5* 03Deppong 5* (+2087) 10Adding the Vertical programming language to the Esolang wiki < 1594942312 465641 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric > 1594942354 913955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76004&oldid=75981 5* 03Deppong 5* (+15) 10/* V */ < 1594942392 165321 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594942485 362398 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1594942491 409126 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594943194 440293 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds