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(www.adiirc.com) < 1595658331 510706 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1595658606 485601 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric > 1595660069 705934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76214&oldid=67190 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+103) 10/* External resources */ Arithmetic BCT over HTTP < 1595660561 878033 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595660998 14558 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1595664211 773839 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595664267 494316 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1595664363 791544 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595666240 258677 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595668924 237335 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595669083 237580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( TFW you join an IRC channel to ask a question, and then solve your problem while trying to formulate said question. It acted kind of like a virtual teddy bear. ) < 1595669101 505201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1595669103 902571 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:888) Gregor: are you in the brony documentary? \ 1017) i vaguely thought sigbovik was all jokes? oerjan: jokes written by CS people, so none of it's funny, just sad < 1595669171 882865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wow, that contraction makes me cringe.) < 1595669647 313910 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sadrobot < 1595670171 643120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, "it's"? < 1595671025 266616 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595671097 736376 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595671204 815673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595671482 576030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, in that particular context. < 1595671522 21018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it reads as pretty standard to me, but I can see what's unusual about it. < 1595671541 151656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so none of (it's) funny is in conflict with (so none of it) is funny < 1595671564 630195 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595671586 733457 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595671588 509704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't tell whether my attempt at replicating it worked.) < 1595671608 381843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those two different parsings? Maybe I don't follow. < 1595671660 806178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "is" referse to all if "so none of it", but in the contraction, "it's", the implied "is" only refers to the "it", to my mind. It's entirely possible that it's me who's wrong there. < 1595671661 935027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You just need to think like the C preprocessor and expand the contractions before thinking about things like that. > 1595671701 964180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ral14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76215&oldid=71229 5* 03Herman-L 5* (-346) 10Update the quine with a shorter one < 1595671722 604314 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "referse" < 1595671727 285105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "refers" < 1595671729 346777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "srefer" < 1595671747 218431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word "so" is outside of all that. < 1595671783 340700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, precedence climbing/Pratt parser/etc. is a pretty neat trick. < 1595671785 417615 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're right < 1595671803 878555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be adapted to Agda-style mixfix parsing? < 1595671815 346031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is that the answer is approximately yes. < 1595671843 839205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Agda-style mixfix even lets you define parentheses as a mixfix operator, rather than part of the syntax. < 1595671960 472950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also figure out how the shunting-yard algorithm works, because people say it's the same trick. < 1595672026 684086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how this approach automatically handles prefix, infix, postfix, etc. < 1595672064 497057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other question is: If you can define precedence within a file, how does that change your parser? Especially if you can define it *after* the use of an operator, as in Haskell. < 1595672088 78141 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :rawr < 1595672089 130633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that just force you to do things the way GHC does, where you fix up the precedence after parsing? < 1595672168 557667 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably. Rust uses a forced many-stage compiler too because it has too many definitions that act backwards in the file. < 1595672184 801058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing related to parsing, though, is there? < 1595672197 954062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is < 1595672225 451416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to parse heads before expressions in function bodies < 1595672237 405192 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without macros < 1595672286 720445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heads? < 1595672297 25395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how the fine points of its grammar work, it's designed really badly with ugly ambiguities < 1595672349 353908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :function heads as in most of the stuff outside the body of the function, so you know the name of the function and whether it is generic etc < 1595672377 299195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I dunno < 1595672390 873974 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably saying something wrong here < 1595672394 633772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. I thought they were a bit more creful than that. < 1595672409 753332 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as I imply < 1595672413 348223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Rust has all sorts of problems. < 1595672471 559606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to tell my impression of how it has like a dozen problems that each could independently have been avoided by a bit better syntax < 1595672498 185411 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, they always choose the worst syntax and figure they can work it out later < 1595672516 898857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's too late to fix most of them now < 1595672549 737259 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like rust's semantics, but its syntax is terrible for that < 1595672586 372564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should try to make an alternate syntax for it < 1595672623 305714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And alternate semantics, too. < 1595672648 44102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we have that. the alternate semantics is C++ < 1595672667 741425 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose syntax also has some problems of course < 1595672716 52313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way, I don't want C++ semantics either. < 1595672739 408239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are trying to do pretty similar things anyway. < 1595672742 656021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even merge the two semantics, with C++ as default but you can mark variables, member variables, and pointers as rust-style owning semantics < 1595672795 562001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouuld lose you rust type-generics though < 1595672883 703896 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work well really < 1595673023 923233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make alternate semantics, what makes it still rust-like? < 1595673052 119207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. It was a joke. < 1595673145 978095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by alternate syntax I mean one where you make enough compromises that you can not only link it with rust but also directly use rust crates and get the bindings, and backwards, like how rust editions work now. But with much more radical syntax changes. < 1595673211 124201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like Rust crates. < 1595673234 829074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed a few Rust programs and they downloaded zillions of crates and the build directory was quite a bit over 1GB. < 1595674090 628112 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595674718 625099 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595674852 879605 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595675049 7340 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595675056 415574 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595677606 979257 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595677728 683401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but luckily you don't have to use the crate system, or any of those shitty dependency hell packages < 1595677746 562309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it as just the compiler and programming language, without the build system and religion associated to that < 1595677767 754415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a you don't need any of the huge frameworks to write C or C++ programs < 1595679508 529023 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1595679917 760831 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76216&oldid=76212 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+11) 10/* Bad program */ < 1595680285 37598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tbf the same thing happens in any language that comes with a sanctioned package retrieval/management tool... Haskell+cabal-install (and now stack) suffers similarly. < 1595680352 703257 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perl, every more < 1595680358 691360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned that the few times < 1595680394 36702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPAN modies that have to install thirty dependencies, ten of which are required only for a documentation coverage test in a dependency module < 1595680406 66457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl used to be fine there... I guess there's also a general lack of care for bandwidth and space and auditability. < 1595680523 495203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the bandwidth that bothers me there < 1595680589 713753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to marvel at https://www.npmjs.com/package/ansi-red again. < 1595680611 707942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm shopping for a new keyboard now < 1595680614 363653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its number of weekly downloads. < 1595680630 878110 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing that so that this keyboard knows that I WILL replace it if he doesn't behave < 1595680662 187781 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you think it enjoys being touched all the time? < 1595680703 432846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1595681096 952518 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595681258 894333 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure the keyboard doesn't rebel on you --> http://www.scp-wiki.net/grant-request-for-a-replacement-keyboard-because-the-caps-lo < 1595681662 946368 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1595681680 935032 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595681899 250287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1595682443 612970 :ddt94!~Windows@185.237.98.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595682712 367157 :ddt94!~Windows@185.237.98.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, what do you mean with esoteric??? < 1595682803 557859 :ddt94!~Windows@185.237.98.16 PART :#esoteric < 1595686944 993149 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595687440 687742 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595687459 658354 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595688107 850894 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595692604 181920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Serenity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76217&oldid=76020 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2010) 10Add few more examples > 1595692767 154173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Serenity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76218&oldid=76217 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10 > 1595692901 362465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolshit14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76219&oldid=76169 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+409) 10/* I/O */ Update I/O format spec > 1595693417 822635 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Serenity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76220&oldid=76218 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1595693597 544370 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595693622 364738 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595693977 681528 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595694000 752700 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595694254 823532 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595695363 160910 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595697047 342663 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:d4a9:17cf:713:434d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595697477 553496 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595697509 456047 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:19a4:c78f:ed00:4c44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595697608 537553 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595698644 778629 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:8d0e:6a86:f07c:28f4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595698945 606416 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595698963 548733 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595699504 316808 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:8d0e:6a86:f07c:28f4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595701022 243751 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595701431 68378 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:8d0e:6a86:f07c:28f4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595702407 374074 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595702895 93921 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595705174 848475 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595705462 899698 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595705859 609056 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:8d0e:6a86:f07c:28f4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595705878 511346 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:8d0e:6a86:f07c:28f4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595706938 574261 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:19a4:c78f:ed00:4c44 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595711819 771170 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595713612 630602 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595714668 162184 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595714730 926726 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1595715215 857071 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595715796 168873 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1595716099 70795 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595716144 861212 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595718058 903377 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. 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