01:04:17 -!- budonyc has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:55:53 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 02:57:20 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:57:21 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 03:25:51 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 03:28:35 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 04:24:43 -!- AviFS has joined. 04:24:53 Is this room still active? 04:29:57 -!- ais523 has joined. 04:30:05 AviFS: yes, but you arrived at one of the worst possible times of day 04:30:15 most of the regulars are asleep 04:30:41 see the logs linked in the /topic if you're interested in recent conversations 04:31:20 Thanks, that's where I'm looking! 04:31:32 Is it truly the infamous ais523? 04:33:20 Of all your super interesting languages, I got the most points on PPCG that I think I've ever gotten with your lang [Baby Language](https://esolangs.org/wiki/Baby_Language) 04:34:08 yes, that's me 04:34:32 Which is quite ironic. There was a golfing problem to write a piece that would error randomly 04:34:57 I like Baby Language because it's pretty much a universal answer to "do such and such a thing with nonzero probability" 04:34:58 So most people were doing things along the lines of `1/randint(0,n)` 04:35:07 it's rare to get a language that universally answers an entire class of questions in 0 bytes 04:35:10 Yeah, that's exactly what it was! 04:35:47 The winning answer until that point was simply a golflang port of the `1/rand()`, but the empty program in Baby Language works 04:35:50 I also posted an answer in Baby Language, https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/117869 04:36:10 but it didn't get upvoted quite as highly, because I was late to the question (I assumed the language was too new; it wasn't) 04:36:20 And I remember someone was shocked in the comments that you would have written such a 'boring' language, haha 04:37:16 esolanging is about pushing the boundaries of programming, not always in useful directions 04:37:57 discovering new boundaries in the direction of "simple uselessness" is actually really difficult, it feels like most of them have already been found 04:37:57 I guess I copied you without realizing! 04:37:58 https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/203281/87594 04:38:37 If you sort by votes, it's the first one. Which has never again happened to me. But I think you'll be amused to see how much people love you in the comments on that answer! 04:38:59 +←1 04:39:36 I normally read codegolf while logged out and with JavaScript turned off, so the sort is votes by default and I can't see more than the first page in other sort orders 04:40:01 Wow! Caveman style :p 04:40:15 Ugh, sorry for the auto-emoji *cringe* 04:40:23 oh, it's meant to be +<-1? 04:40:31 I type ← often enough that I didn't notice an issue 04:40:57 No, no! That's on purpose ←←←← I meant the painful stick-out-tongue face 04:41:07 oh, it didn't auto-emoji for me 04:41:11 Phew! 04:41:14 it must auto-emoji on receive rather than on send 04:41:16 How odd 04:41:24 this isn't an emoji: :p 04:41:28 did that auto-emoji for you? 04:41:34 Yup! 04:41:42 right, your client is doing it on receive 04:41:57 This is not a pipe: 🚬 04:42:06 it isn't in my font, unfortunately 04:42:08 Ah, that makes sense 04:42:12 `unidecode 🚬 04:42:14 ​[U+1F6AC SMOKING SYMBOL] 04:42:38 thank you HackEso 04:43:17 How did you know I sent a message at the beginning? Do you always keep it pinned? 04:43:27 I read the logs every now and then 04:43:34 and randomly happened to check them 5 minutes after your message 04:43:43 Ah, I see! 04:44:09 Are you active anywhere else? Perhaps one of the PPCG rooms or the Discord channel? 04:44:37 I don't use Discord; I used to be active in PPCG chat but Stack Exchange annoys me a lot, and eventually I couldn't tolerate it any more 04:44:45 I have nothing against PPCG, it's a great community 04:44:50 but the software it runs on is just so terrible 04:45:13 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:45:24 Don't blame you! Well good to know we can find you on here then : ) 04:45:35 I don't idle here as often as I should, really 04:45:49 Will certainly be back, though should go for now soon. Just one more thing first! 04:46:56 -!- spruit11 has joined. 04:47:30 I'm trying to organize a weekly event where esolangers teach a language they really enjoy, or share whatever lang they're working on! 04:47:45 activity in esolang programming tends to go in bursts 04:48:04 It's mainly through PPCG and the Discord channel, so it'll likely oscillate between those two platforms, and some Skype-equivalent for people who want voice 04:48:16 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fEHHewZeBvQmdKRa8pggPDHGrNDyxTh-mwOQmfX7FWo/edit 04:48:22 my esolang activity is split between a) languages I can think of in 10 minutes and implement in an hour, b) languages which take months of planning and are so big a task to program I'm not sure I'll ever manage it 04:49:19 so at any given time, I'm not actively working on any particular language because the easy ones are finished and the hard ones are too daunting to work on 04:49:21 So far 6 people have signed up to host one! (The Tarpit is the name of the general esolanging room I made on PPCG; the old one's long frozen) 04:49:24 it may be like that for other programmers, too 04:49:32 That makes a lot of sense! 04:50:17 But I thought having a structured 45 minute event once a week where people can either teach something they love, or share what they're working on, would be nice for the community! 04:50:44 This was the Google Doc where people sign up, and where 6 have already: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fEHHewZeBvQmdKRa8pggPDHGrNDyxTh-mwOQmfX7FWo/edit 04:50:50 it's an interesting idea, I hope it works 04:50:58 some of the regulars here will spot your comment in the log, I expect 04:51:10 I sure hope so! 04:51:43 If you guys would like to join, the first one is this Saturday, held both at 11 AM & 2 AM UTC 04:52:22 I should get back to my interpreter but Zendikar happened. 04:52:22 I probably won't be online then, hopefully you'll get some other users though 04:52:58 In general, they'll be held sometime on UTC Saturdays. So if you can't make this one, maybe some future ones. The idea is to let the host choose the time and platform (within that 24 hour window that is Saturday UTC)! 04:53:31 heh, another answer to that "error at random" question is a machine code program that disassembles to "rdtsc; jmp rax" 04:53:56 Ah, alright! Will let you guys know how they go! Hope to see some of you in future ones perhaps. I certainly can't imagine how many would go to one of yours on Underload!! 04:53:59 that's the sort of thing that hurts to think about because of how strongly it violates normal programming principles 04:54:38 Whoops! I have to go now! 04:54:45 'Til soon!! 04:54:47 night / other appropriate time of day 04:55:20 How'd you know?! Sure _is_ night on this region of the planet : ) 04:55:40 I asked your client what timezone you were in, but it didn't know; statistically speaking, though, night is a good guess 04:55:53 because it's night in most (not all) English-speaking countries at the moment 04:56:04 weighted by population 04:56:14 (that's the reason that most of the regulars are asleep) 05:01:03 -!- interruptinuse has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in -- bye bye!). 05:10:05 -!- interruptinuse has joined. 05:25:45 [[Tailor]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77735&oldid=77494 * Elderberry * (+34) Updated docs to match Github 06:17:02 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 06:33:44 -!- AviFS has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:12:24 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:14:43 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:28:03 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:38:54 -!- b_jonas has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:57:19 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:11:17 -!- cpressey has joined. 09:34:31 -!- t20kdc has joined. 10:20:53 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1). 10:34:17 -!- sftp has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 10:35:24 -!- sftp has joined. 10:41:54 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 10:43:23 You know how sometimes we need a convention whether to write source arguments first or destination arguments first? This comes up in assembler syntaxes, but also interfaces in most programming languages that have functions with positional argument lists, such as C. 10:44:36 * Luciole nods 10:44:40 Yah? 10:44:44 And different libraries use different conventions. Has anyone made the esoteric argument that source arguments should be on the left because "source" starts with an "s" just like "sinister", and "destination" starts with a "d" just like "dexter". 10:44:59 I like it 10:46:54 I actually prefer destination first usually, at least in languages like C that use a <- or = assignment operator with destination first, but I just wanted to bring up this argument. 10:47:19 Seems important, indeed. 10:48:22 But there are some languages where the assignment has destination first, such as in programmable calculators, and that sort of makes sense too. 10:50:48 To bolster that argument: the Finnish word for source, "lähde", starts with "l", just like "länsi" (west), and conventionally in maps the westward direction is to the left. On the other hand, destination, "kohde", starts with "k", just like "koillinen" (northeast) and "kaakko" (southeast), so generally to the eastward direction, and therefore logically on the right. 10:50:54 Life is messy. Category theorists will restore the order of things, no doubt. 10:51:59 Hm. Come to think of it, I guess not that many languages have completely separate words for the intercardinal directions. 10:52:28 The Finnish set (koillinen, kaakko, lounas, luode) have absolutely nothing to do with the cardinal ones (pohjoinen, etelä, itä, länsi). 10:53:12 Hmm, the Dutch word for source is 'bron' and for destination it's 'bestemming'. Two times 'b'. 10:53:28 No wonder this polulation is in a permanent state of confusion. 10:53:38 *population 10:55:24 That reminds me, I need to fill in this form and send it to some Dutch embassy 11:03:42 fizzie: curious :o 11:05:49 ah, I found the answer to an earlier question I had. It's right in the FAQ, so now I feel stupid for asking somewhere before RTFM. http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#http-methods 11:26:20 zzo38: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/zendikar-rising-update-bulletin-2020-09-22 Zendikar Rising Update Bulletin, M:tG 11:45:12 ah, so the new set has two cards, Verazol, the Split Current and Lithoform Engine, that can copy spells that aren't sorcery or instant spells. 11:50:09 -!- iovoid has quit (Quit: iovoid has quit!). 11:51:15 -!- iovoid has joined. 12:00:01 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 12:00:16 -!- hendursaga has joined. 12:02:11 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:15:26 -!- user24 has joined. 12:16:53 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:22:11 -!- rain1 has joined. 12:25:49 [[Transortogonal Polymorphism]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77736&oldid=76124 * Hakerh400 * (-6) /* Object */ 13:03:23 -!- cpressey has joined. 13:15:23 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:18:13 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:29:19 -!- arseniiv has joined. 13:57:39 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 14:13:09 Hi 14:19:21 hi! 14:23:26 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:29:55 Do you like Jupyter Notebooks 14:34:29 Not hugely 14:34:39 But I can see why some people might 14:34:50 I think they could work well in an education setting 14:39:37 I use sage math with jupyter 14:39:41 i dunno if i like it 14:39:48 its kind of annoying 14:39:58 it makes me wish python had some kind of checkpointed system for evaluation 14:40:02 so you don't need to re-run stuff 14:41:30 I sorta like Colab, which I think are just our spin of the thing. 14:46:02 It's kind of nice for sharing some sort of analysis/argument with someone, compared to just giving them a script or writing a doc about it. Our internal thing has all kinds of handy integrations to systems. 14:57:08 yeah its nice but I wish it was better, it's good enough t hat I use it 14:57:39 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 14:58:25 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:59:00 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 15:22:05 -!- Arcorann_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:56:27 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 15:59:18 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1). 16:09:45 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * 3s0!an9 b0y * New user account 16:14:17 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 16:40:45 Do you like Jupyter Notebooks => I used them a bit, especially when I was lazy to set up VS Code for working with Python. And they can be useful for testing numerical stuff 17:04:55 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:23:39 -!- b_jonas has joined. 17:24:09 [[2DFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77737&oldid=77731 * SunnyMoon * (-5) Killing a few s's... 18:02:47 wib_jonas: I have seen that update bulletin, but when I checked, the actual rule file was not yet available. I did read about copying permanent spells. Their rule seems to be similar to mine but less general, perhaps. 20:36:09 [[AnnoyStack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77738 * Jdsj llop llvm * (+1031) Created page with "'''AnnoyStack''' is a stack-based language that is purposely created to be difficult to use, although hopefully turing complete. It also has an infinite tape, where each cell..." 20:38:15 [[AnnoyStack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77739&oldid=77738 * Jdsj llop llvm * (+55) add cat program 20:47:12 [[MITLML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77740&oldid=58711 * Jdsj llop llvm * (+2) grammar fixes 21:00:39 -!- user24 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:04:13 -!- imode has joined. 22:21:21 Not that it's in any sense esoteric, but any opinions regarding ext4/btrfs/ZFS for a plain old spinning RAID1 setup for "general-purpose use"? I've been strictly ext4, but have to replace a drive anyway, and thought it might be a good time to think about reconfiguring, mostly because the fancier ones have that built-in checksumming. 22:26:26 -!- Soni has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:40:50 -!- Soni has joined. 22:45:17 -!- Soni has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:59:35 -!- Soni has joined. 23:03:57 -!- Soni has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:10:52 -!- wmww11 has joined. 23:13:16 -!- wmww1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:13:34 -!- Soni has joined.