< 1601856234 183951 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-riwyczjhfkezsdzc PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION contemplates doing things that are esoteric-related again
< 1601856961 900928 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1601865138 408502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Scratcher 5* 10New user account < 1601865652 791368 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601865923 865721 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot JOIN :#esoteric < 1601870546 614853 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601870575 815464 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1601871139 387276 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1601872555 517784 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-riwyczjhfkezsdzc PRIVMSG #esoteric :been so long though. what even to do... < 1601872639 116229 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :join me in shaving the steps off of this RAM ruleset. < 1601876537 351334 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there standard TeX fonts for unslanted lowercase Greek alphabets? < 1601876565 387419 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It would probably be easy enough to make such fonts, but I want to know if there are standard ones.) < 1601877316 815414 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be as part of whatever packages people use to type Greek < 1601877549 497806 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but I meant for mathematical typesetting, not for writing Greek words. < 1601882050 363822 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1601883008 729983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601885319 508345 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601885463 810520 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601886134 889786 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601886463 967135 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601886592 421159 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1601889429 404790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77826&oldid=77591 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+41) 1033! > 1601889917 671598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77827&oldid=77826 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+63) 10I am also playing around with TPT! < 1601891348 35729 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601891487 163407 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601891487 380120 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1601897286 665645 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babel14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77828 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+2598) 10Created page with "'''Babel''' is an esolang currently developed by [[User:Sinthorion|Sinthorion]], in which the source code may only contain the lowercase letters, whitespace, commas and period..." < 1601900099 988599 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 JOIN :#esoteric > 1601900749 719336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SoicBR14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77829 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+109) 10Created page with "User:SoicBR is a hobbyst programmer and game developer. He created the A.R.T.I.C.L.E. programming language." < 1601901419 159067 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1601901436 808179 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1601904002 868067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77830&oldid=77823 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+168) 10 > 1601904877 653549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77831 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+9191) 10Created page with "A.R.T.I.C.L.E. is an esoteric programming language created in 5/10/2020 by [[User:SoicBR]] A.R.T.I.C.L.E. stands for: Apple Random Tower Island Cat Lol Elephant In A.R.T..." > 1601905485 395170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77832&oldid=77831 5* 03SoicBR 5* (-68) 10/* Phrases */ > 1601905500 245721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77833&oldid=77832 5* 03SoicBR 5* (-46) 10/* Phrases */ > 1601905805 634184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77834&oldid=77833 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+91) 10/* Phrases */ > 1601905878 246758 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77835&oldid=77834 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+0) 10 > 1601906365 947303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77836&oldid=77835 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+91) 10 > 1601906526 863489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77837&oldid=77637 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+1496) 10/* Implementations */ > 1601906725 239859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77838&oldid=77837 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+0) 10/* Implementations */ < 1601906991 661382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1601907003 819342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77839&oldid=77789 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+1824) 10 < 1601908199 10766 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1601908274 906773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SoicBR14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77840&oldid=77829 5* 03SoicBR 5* (+28) 10 > 1601910232 742601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77841&oldid=77836 5* 03SoicBR 5* (-4) 10/* The accumulator(A) */ < 1601910233 916933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1601911326 214142 :uplime!nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers NICK :Frankenstein < 1601914294 993734 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601917213 876064 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601918500 802712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1216 < 1601918502 697697 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1216.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1601919124 156333 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks HackEso < 1601919126 749694 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, HackEso. ThackEso. < 1601919550 645088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thacky. < 1601920567 39614 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-162-43.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric > 1601921688 1384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77842&oldid=77757 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+4) 10linkify > 1601921745 984187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77843&oldid=77767 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+2) 10linkify < 1601921913 635978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hmm, bash problem: Wait for a child process that the shell didn't spawn itself. Currently that's the last thing I want to do so I can do exec perl -e "waitpid($PID,0)"... ) < 1601922560 595528 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601924067 803862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the shell didn't spawn it, how is it a child of the shell? < 1601924264 34633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, guess it could have been spawned by the process that exec'd the shell. < 1601924376 173009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the shell ptraced it. < 1601924440 62891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, ptrace has a bug where it makes epoll_wait (but not poll etc.) fail with EINTR. < 1601924465 291427 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601924517 241743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day I ran into a program where that was actually a problem (it wasn't restarting on EINTR). < 1601924528 576387 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601924586 722183 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601925827 75220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's spawned by the process that execs the shell. < 1601925891 334958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using clone() with too many flags, so doing *that* in the shell is hardly an option. < 1601926222 222607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the thing exec a shell? < 1601926230 915191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm lazy < 1601926285 742272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more convenient to write a dozen of shell commands than to figure out their C equivalent. < 1601926326 917972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is playing with namespaces
< 1601926492 7707 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I why do I have to explain why on #esoteric :P < 1601926533 417340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have to explain why you have to explain why on #esoteric? < 1601926541 101307 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know I'm guilty of asking why too.) < 1601926660 838623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing about ptrace is, as far as I can tell, you have to be willing to get unknown pids from wait() < 1601926681 997089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a process might fork and then you might get an event from the child before you get a fork event from the parent. < 1601926707 915768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, fork, what an esoteric bit of nonsense that's in every Unix system. < 1601926778 156990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a really clever hack though < 1601926933 549562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, not really. firstly, you only start to automatically ptrace child processes if you set the PTRACE_O_TRACEFORK option, which I think isn't default; second you can listen to PTRACE_EVENT_FORK, PTRACE_EVENT_VFORK, PTRACE_EVENT_CLONE messages to find out about those children, without having to decode every system call < 1601926966 348830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, it's true, I meant only if you set TRACE{FORK,CLONE,VFORK} < 1601926991 190968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you might get the wait results before the PTRACE_EVENT telling you about the new pid. < 1601927039 36713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could avoid waitpid(-1) and only give it specific pids that you know about, but that doesn't seem great. < 1601927049 25213 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but waiting for arbitrary pids with waitpid or wait4 is usually the default anyway, unless perhaps you use some "fun" combination of threading and signals to find out about the pids. < 1601927085 948916 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you have just one thread, you might as well call waitpid or wait4 with pid=-1, since you have to handle every wait notification sooner or later anyway < 1601927093 503255 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at worst you store the data for later < 1601927174 219560 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for a specific pid is a shortcut only for very simple programs, and doing a ptrace more or less excludes that < 1601927181 217481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1601927199 119256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it means you have to handle unknown pids, as far as I can tell. < 1601927234 654441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are my notes about using ptrace: https://shachaf.net/tmp/ptrace-notes.txt < 1601927259 892666 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1601927295 543595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect to use ptrace directly, it's usually best to leave that to debuggers or strace < 1601927316 876833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program which is like a mini-strace. < 1601927342 152570 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1601928464 421987 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if i should switch to qwerty < 1601928565 578594 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what < 1601928633 801453 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak < 1601928641 113849 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: depends on what kind of text you usually type < 1601928658 194499 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the key caps are different from what they do < 1601928668 990356 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs on my computre are sometimes not acting right because of it < 1601928686 553473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even switch between them for those programs < 1601928753 98044 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried dvorak for a few weeks, but decided I don't want it < 1601928763 729357 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might still experiment with some nonstandard layouts some time in the future < 1601928780 324913 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have caps lock for switching < 1601928856 71135 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keycaps shouldn't matter. just don't look at the keycaps, and perhaps put a layout poster on the wall for a few weeks while you get used to it so you can reference it quickly < 1601928868 334604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a dead-tree poster to learn dvorak < 1601928968 60304 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been using dvorak for many years but i think the keycaps do matter < 1601929094 757215 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1601929165 13511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use system call emulation to avoid the bug with epoll_wait? (Better would be to fix the bug in the kernel, if it can, though, I suppose) < 1601929223 942110 :mich181189_!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ehoiuwryofuqygtm JOIN :#esoteric < 1601929296 487847 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keycaps don't really matter < 1601929308 257951 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many programs are designed to be used with qwerty, although in many cases you can customize the key bindings anyways < 1601929458 978099 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1601929552 792925 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggzkrvdtyabfmsyz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1601929555 386331 :mich181189_!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ehoiuwryofuqygtm NICK :mich181189 < 1601930034 539610 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: keycaps matter for the rare keys, like printscreen, I always get confused where that one is; and for learning < 1601930053 682869 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :keycaps also matter if you have one of these stupid keyboards that just rearranges the normal layout for no reason < 1601930060 664078 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just don't want to buy those < 1601930097 54314 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the classic example for that is wordstar, it's definitely designed for qwerty < 1601930542 652279 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and some other DOS programs are designed to use keys similar to Wordstar too < 1601931734 57829 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-162-43.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601934081 17125 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601934115 158775 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601934141 5281 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601934711 29819 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Turbo Pascal IDE ) < 1601936395 512812 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eiyktghegavpjkto QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601936515 88640 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnodviuydqdnbssz JOIN :#esoteric < 1601936660 992836 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601936853 539308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1601937252 510066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apt installed Free Pascal the other day. < 1601937267 235210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the classic Turbo Pascal look. It's great. < 1601937272 277207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Pascal is just a good language? < 1601937905 42327 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1601938551 676356 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does it try to have features like in Scala, C# etc.? I tend to associate Pascal and Delphi with something which is not comfortable to code in because of a squareish type system, lack of closures etc.. I heard Delphi has risen from the earth but I hope Free Pascal would be even better. If it has cool fuctional features surely I’m going to read about it more in the future! < 1601938572 263163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1601938578 701527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want most of the features in Scala. < 1601938670 90432 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I used a dead-tree poster to learn dvorak => have you felt it a useful system? < 1601938710 89697 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type with two index fingers and even can do so blind when the keyboard don’t changes its location too much < 1601938745 37570 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I tried dvorak for a few weeks, but decided I don't want it => ah, sorry, didn’t read that in time < 1601938828 145037 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don’t know Scala’s features to the full extent so maybe it was a bad example language, yep < 1601938844 313342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I use it instead of C, for example? < 1601938870 474528 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t changes => oof grammar why don’t you love me < 1601938897 654168 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Scala definitely no, or are you about Free pascal? < 1601938908 74591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Pascal. < 1601938978 94298 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I’ll second you on that. If it allows that I would have a big benefit from learning it, to write small self-contained cross-platform utility programs at least < 1601939037 192553 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I don’t want to touch C even when it’s definitely simpler than C++ and maybe even has less strange quirks > 1601939077 83351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77844&oldid=77841 5* 03SoicBR 5* (-2) 10/* The Stack */ < 1601939084 447646 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if today’s Pascal not strong enough then I’ll try to live without both < 1601939232 340896 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Night < 1601939363 981707 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601940266 986695 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I found that it might be useful for English, but I had to type text in Hungarian too, and it doesn't work well for that. the design of dvorak is based on two things: common letters on easy to reach positions, and vowels on one hand while common consonants on the other so you alternate your hands most of the time. you could designe something based on that for Hungarian, but it would have to < 1601940272 968744 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look different from dvorak. < 1601940289 547146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know at least one person who uses a close variant of dvorak for Hungarian too though. < 1601940342 111192 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type with nine or ten fingers, except if I need to type when I'm eating with my left hand, in which case I type with all five fingers of my right hand. < 1601940361 172547 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, rarely, all five fingers of my right hand plus my left pinky < 1601940649 221279 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG stuff: so apparently there are three 3/2 creatures for 1G without drawbacks. The first one was Terrain Elemental from Kaladesh, a vanilla; then Kraul Harpooner from Guilds of Ravnica; and now Tajuru Paragon from Zendikar Rising, which is an Elf Warrior. This is the last nail on Elvish Warrior's coffin.