plts(programming language that sucks) is a stack-based programming language invented in 2020 by me.

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• ?[letter]: push letter to..." > 1607128553 352877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79166&oldid=79163 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+11) 10 > 1607129195 828600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Plts14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79167&oldid=79165 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+43) 10wikitext, cats > 1607132312 969567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A0A014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79168&oldid=56988 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-12) 10/* Implementations */ eso policy < 1607132520 54967 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.216.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607132684 12646 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607133554 993812 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607137255 936283 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : > 1607137640 346205 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Expliked14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79169&oldid=78694 5* 03Expliked 5* (-13) 10 < 1607138001 497395 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yvkcbseglzpsisvs QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607138002 43659 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607138056 736512 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607138146 29979 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Client Quit < 1607138174 772563 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607138322 55211 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yvkcbseglzpsisvs JOIN :#esoteric < 1607138458 839534 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1607138458 839590 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric > 1607140941 9419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flipfractal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79170&oldid=79161 5* 03Delta23 5* (-7) 10fix typo < 1607140991 540747 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607140991 600720 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607141962 887339 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607142651 35917 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: cycling < 1607142665 269966 :sebbu!~sebbu@lfbn-dij-1-1065-70.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1607142677 497763 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607142720 925190 :sebbu!~sebbu@lfbn-dij-1-1065-70.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1607142720 925242 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607143439 422269 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: cycling < 1607143454 349981 :sebbu!~sebbu@lfbn-dij-1-1065-70.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1607143519 676131 :sebbu!~sebbu@lfbn-dij-1-1065-70.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1607143519 676196 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric > 1607144992 996459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ewpl14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79171 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+1013) 10Created page with "{{Lowercase}} '''ewpl'''(even worse programming language) is a programming language invented by me in 2020. ==Language Overview== This language uses a single cell to store as..." > 1607145008 228772 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Plts14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79172&oldid=79167 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+1) 10 > 1607145094 501375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ewpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79173&oldid=79171 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+109) 10 > 1607145144 498321 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79174&oldid=79166 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+11) 10 < 1607145417 157923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( getting worse. no code for today. ) > 1607145453 652366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sertdfyguhi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79175 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+233) 10Created page with "{{Lowercase}} I'm a programmer with more than half a year of experience. My most favourite languages are JavaScript and Python. ==esolangs I made== [[plts]]
  [[ewpl]] ==..." < 1607145745 729474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Never mind about being stuck, I just missed a corner case. I've reached the end now, though obviously there are some lose ends yet to discover... < 1607145778 591711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you reached the win end rather than a lose end. < 1607145783 566923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently 450 islands, 3 friends... missing at least 2 more friends (I've seen them, but not managed to get there) < 1607145789 494961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lose end? < 1607145796 929851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what you said. < 1607145804 901094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :loose, oops < 1607145807 211228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1607145856 840111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually the final island is all one land mass but counts as several islands) < 1607145950 206924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to do an obnoxious correction. I was instead trying to make an obnoxious opportunistic pun. < 1607145961 606039 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607146041 120908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, I just hadn't noticed my typo < 1607147709 505440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... winning removes the global clouds, leaving only the ones over islands you have not yet visited < 1607147722 553040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems useful for eventual completion < 1607147742 578502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I made another friend < 1607147864 210896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else is interesting... I've reached the 13 hours mark. < 1607148147 831390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot more than my hours. < 1607148160 423439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should catch up in islands or at least in hours. < 1607154602 987540 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607156177 398391 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iymvjmlwgvlmkhnj JOIN :#esoteric < 1607156500 82311 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607157684 53595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :day 5 is much simpler than day 4, but perhaps only because I'm familiar with this sort of problem < 1607158254 236620 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm on another channel where people are doing AoC, #cemetech on efnet < 1607158295 988655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Hooloovo0 < 1607158312 237348 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also have a "write something in a bunch of languages" challenge... which seems like exactly the kind of thing yall would be interested in < 1607158316 745530 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up? < 1607158605 559660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's worse, the input generator sucks < 1607158682 720812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as mentioned earlier I didn't write any special code) < 1607158689 898792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the input generator for what? < 1607158700 213361 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for AoC today < 1607158731 334321 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how so? doesn't it just generate an interval less one and shuffle it? < 1607158764 947535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: try sort < input | sed s=.........== and see if you can see a pattern < 1607158803 911511 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has plenty of gaps < 1607158824 653243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1607158827 708087 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1607158829 313991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1607158867 385156 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what pattern? if you sort it you'll get them all in order, so they have to be consecutive numbers in binary. < 1607158887 924371 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be LRLRLRL... with one stumble in it < 1607158907 594688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably shuffled < 1607158925 723266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the gaps, the spec asks you to give the gap as a solution, and the one I got has exactly one gap, I verified that when solving < 1607158936 558721 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no free seats on this airplane < 1607158958 959754 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think the plane would be fully occupied < 1607159000 303852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now I'm even more disappointed < 1607159008 736496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the spec says "It's a completely full flight, so your seat should be the only missing boarding pass in your list." < 1607159051 377998 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even get on the plane without a boarding pass < 1607159094 169697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you're right, it's boring by specification, not by accident < 1607159132 572442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I solved it by hand. < 1607159152 151187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and sort and dc for conversion from binary) < 1607159217 231756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the story may have happened before 2001 < 1607159258 541061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but even now, everyone knows how imperfect the security is in airports < 1607159265 588445 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find stories about it on the internet < 1607159286 136792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's largely security theater < 1607159327 420038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or commercial interest (the liquid restrictions make food vendors in the transit zone quite happy I'm sure) < 1607159370 86414 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but to be precise, I think the protagonist lost their boarding pass in the long queuing corridor between the electronic boarding pass check and the airplane. an attendent at the airplane entrance looks at some of the boarding passes, but mostly to direct you to the right seat if you want, and at that point I think they let on anyone without a boarding pass < 1607159387 185784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1607159424 83772 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or this is still in one of the foreign lands that Mario visits, with star coins and red star/dragon coins, and it works quite different from our world < 1607159449 777098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok give me a second, Irregular is about to update < 1607159459 752144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to catch it in the first second < 1607159474 624268 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, late by a few seconds as usual so I had to keep refreshing < 1607159527 684336 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really late, but a few seconds after the nominal update time which is given to a minute precision only < 1607159657 428898 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually not even that anymore, because the FAQ no longer mentions the update time, only the forum and a news entry about moving it one hour earlier does < 1607159699 338806 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that change really felt strange at first by the way, changing the reliable schedule that has been there for a decade and only broken a few times by accident and once deliberately during that < 1607159840 346320 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irregular is like 17 years old, it's crazy < 1607159869 376471 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a bit less since it had years of hiatus < 1607159871 707650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sttill < 1607159897 758171 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time of day when it and the other comics were published was unchanged for a very long time, even through the hiatus < 1607160278 34984 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607160278 587234 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607162396 277661 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607162637 61807 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607162981 597613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp gray < 1607162984 115622 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1607162985 805340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp grey < 1607162986 803448 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :gray:Gray is e common misspalling of grey. < 1607163020 953706 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "græy" < 1607163836 395359 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607164028 943858 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? græy < 1607164030 333581 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :græy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607164560 799845 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.216.2 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1607164692 47581 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607164743 803955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite State Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79176 5* 03Delta23 5* (+697) 10finite state brainfuck idea > 1607164852 622497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite State Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79177&oldid=79176 5* 03Delta23 5* (+154) 10idea for infinite looping, would it change something? > 1607164925 140234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79178&oldid=79174 5* 03Delta23 5* (+29) 10add finite state brainfuck to lang list < 1607165009 899438 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607165520 61163 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607166296 356924 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607167638 114495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607167956 391250 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you friends with any of the Ancient ones? < 1607167956 744448 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the man spat on the ground and, after they've done it, though, complaining like badly oiled pumps and smelling like a thousand damp carpets. men in djeliba moved among them and occasionally hit them with the other scrap. keep ‘em separate. keep a pot special for it, and all you needed to boil an egg," said < 1607168713 488588 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607169388 858159 :dingwat_!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prabffvapvcujoqy JOIN :#esoteric < 1607169444 961727 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fygncnmhmpodincd QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607169445 507440 :dingwat_!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prabffvapvcujoqy NICK :dingwat < 1607169451 524866 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607169514 261962 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1607171466 490163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah, so about that "usually the solution space is larger" comment, I was basing that on 2019, when it was true even for early days. This year is shaping to be somewhat different. < 1607171473 665192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wrote my day 5 expecting there to be something about rows and columns separately in part 2, but there wasn't. Now I'm wondering whether to streamline that from `pass -> (row, col) -> ID` to `pass -> ID`. But I've got unit tests for the steps separately already. < 1607171564 284642 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1607171588 3930 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert F and L to 0 and B and R to 1, parse as binary < 1607171852 957330 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, yeah, this one was so easy I didn't even consider brute forcing the solution space without looking at the boarding slips, but I guess it would have been thematically appropriate, just trying to sit in every seat and see if I'm kicked out < 1607171935 17771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first part was so quick that I didn't have time to wonder what the second part would have, plus the first part already basically gave away that you're looking at the boarding passes to find your seat that's missing from them, so it wasn't much of a surprise < 1607171977 904525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but admittedly I didn't know before that that it would be a single interval, with like all eight seats existing in all rows (except first and last), unlike on a real airplane < 1607171986 107515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like a one-dimensional airplane < 1607172078 327260 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 21st century one: a discount airline with no first class section with fewer seats per row, because that's not their business model, if someone has money for first class they will buy it from an airline whose service is not so bad as theirs < 1607172080 114467 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's more one-dimensional than a real airplane < 1607172313 265703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand part of their business model: there are people who pay for the supposed privilage of boarding the airplane earlier. why? isn't that a hindrance? even the worst waiting room is more comfortable than an airplane, so I always try to get on the plane as late as possible, to spend the least time on it. < 1607172412 612992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that was the situation before 2020; I haven't exprienced airplane flight since then < 1607172555 137937 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even selling the supposed privilage of choosing your seat seems weird to me. that one at least isn't a clear drawback, but I'm not paying for that, and typically get the good seats: the ones that are close to the aisle so I can get up easily, and not in the extra legroom rows, which means I can keep some of my luggage close, under the seat in front of me. this doesn't always work, I have been seated at < 1607172561 145341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extra legroom emergency exit row once, but usually it does. < 1607172580 240561 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but admittedly some people have very long legs, and for them the extra legroom rows may be an advantage < 1607172679 204886 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am working in a software company for the aviation industry and never sat in a plane :D < 1607172718 208475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how "there is" was an answer to what I said. < 1607172788 989857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I took an intra-US flight on a plane that was kind of like that, except with 6 columns rather than 8. < 1607172811 398091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it couldn't have been that one, because they had no seat reservations either. < 1607172895 800480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You get a boarding number based on how early you checked in and whether you paid extra to get a lower number, and then they just sort you in a queue based on that number and board in that order, and seats are first-come-first-served.) < 1607172953 273415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: and I'm working in a software company for the chemical industry, but never used the things that those chemical plants produce. < 1607172992 39452 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, American flights work somewhat differently from European ones < 1607172998 182555 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in multiple ways < 1607173092 12434 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: and I sat on airplanes too many times < 1607173107 911327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably will, because these days it's too cheap < 1607173130 887910 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :go so so, you may as well secure my job :S < 1607173132 869869 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1607173177 931492 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably not during the pandemic < 1607173199 482526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my mother will arrive home soon (next weekend), on airplane > 1607174293 66417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minimal operation language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79179&oldid=71468 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* Resources */ deadlink < 1607175306 438854 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually this airplane is really big - I can't think of any commercial plane that seats over 900 people > 1607175431 47577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ewpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79180&oldid=79173 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10/* Hello, world! program */ implemented > 1607175460 581223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ewpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79181&oldid=79180 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* Hello, world! program */ total < 1607175644 569117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcorann: true < 1607175659 59386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part is a bit futuristic < 1607175702 530051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I prefer a future where that won't be necessary because the vacuum train network that Elon Musk builds takes the bulk of the passenger traffic > 1607175781 621135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79182&oldid=79013 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-22633) 10rm some things < 1607175845 713306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says you can in theory stick 853 passengers on an A380, which is pretty close. < 1607175888 609279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Other proposed variants included an A380-900 stretch – seating -- up to 960 passengers in an all-economy configuration --" > 1607175920 647198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite State Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79183&oldid=79177 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+119) 10Headers, links, cats > 1607176496 253297 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Niblet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79184&oldid=68876 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+41) 10/* Hello World */ cat < 1607176505 281359 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric > 1607176631 571200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Procedure14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79185&oldid=74613 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10m < 1607176884 602124 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607176975 599626 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607177595 254071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Insanity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79186&oldid=73314 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+36) 10/* Program structure */ at least partially sane < 1607179004 81540 :j`ey!~joey@unaffiliated/jey/x-00002 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607180613 899452 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607180953 493540 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607181128 628265 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607181268 139304 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Insanity14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79187 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+227) 10/* Order of operations? */ new section < 1607181591 157361 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what does the "S" in "SQL" stand for? suffering? or several, for how many different dialects there are? < 1607181591 222797 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in the sudden silence. ' i really must be off, then. maybe you could... help us?" < 1607181651 27959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sudden silence"? ok. > 1607182397 388663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite State Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79188&oldid=79183 5* 03Delta23 5* (+41) 10confirmed finite with inputs < 1607182756 345905 :j`ey!~joey@unaffiliated/jey/x-00002 PART :#esoteric < 1607182846 592358 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607183364 15017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's not actually an "S", it's the Kryptonian symbol of hope, which just coincidentally happens to resemble the letter S of the Latin alphabet, and is therefore usually rendered using that for technical reasons. < 1607183563 710631 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1607183614 644183 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's "ЅQL"? > 1607183725 698020 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79189&oldid=78998 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+262) 10/* Other things */ [[Bfos]], [[Decision shrub]], [[Insanity]], [[Voxvy]], [[Javagony Turing-completeness proof]] < 1607184007 551847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ѕ < 1607184010 919362 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0405 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DZE] < 1607184021 7662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an expert, maybe that's closer. > 1607186037 383375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Insanity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79190&oldid=79186 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+69) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ cats (Interpreter coming soon if User:A responds) > 1607186258 65037 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DINAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79191&oldid=75640 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10/* Variables */ of > 1607186525 378254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chafa14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79192&oldid=66154 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+165) 10cats/notice/stub > 1607186708 554263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Yasser14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79193&oldid=20830 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+128) 10see.also > 1607186723 94481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Yasser14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79194&oldid=79193 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-128) 10Undo revision 79193 by [[Special:Contributions/PythonshellDebugwindow|PythonshellDebugwindow]] ([[User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow|talk]])m > 1607186959 105002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ClearBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79195&oldid=27131 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+220) 10/* External resources */ waybacks > 1607187014 825490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ClearBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79196&oldid=79195 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* External resources */ seeAlso() > 1607187100 528820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tbf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79197&oldid=71006 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+95) 10headers, cat > 1607187372 990393 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79198&oldid=75214 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Implementation */ catfix < 1607188397 371935 :bcasiello!~brian@071-088-110-201.res.spectrum.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607189814 512483 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607190138 308916 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: b_jonas: . o O ( Græy is an uncommon spelling of both. ) < 1607190152 741367 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? both < 1607190154 21941 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :both? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607191611 789028 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607191643 519600 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607192114 130696 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607192818 598717 :bcasiello!~brian@071-088-110-201.res.spectrum.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607194171 272979 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607194929 982214 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607195750 526178 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607195825 151915 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607196212 872955 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607196959 418115 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iymvjmlwgvlmkhnj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1607197946 809063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79199&oldid=79094 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+0) 10 < 1607199466 95979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607200613 520439 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-sglcclvqhkxudarx QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1607200835 422038 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yvkcbseglzpsisvs QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1607202314 370934 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-kqefkthjykiioohv JOIN :#esoteric < 1607202385 948087 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qehgzewhenwuinpv JOIN :#esoteric < 1607203628 286827 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607204262 922313 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607204451 826797 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607204926 198876 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1607206488 121915 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IsThatAMotherFrickingSpecificAnimeReferenceLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79200&oldid=79146 5* 03SoicBR 5* (-14) 10 < 1607209147 514811 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607209638 486840 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607211674 295220 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607215143 455260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A0A014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79201&oldid=79168 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10/* Implementations */ wayback, list > 1607215899 567167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Noodle Soup14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79202&oldid=71057 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* Hello World */ lk < 1607216919 396263 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be the first Christmas that I won't be celebrating while being in person together with my brother. it's a bit sad. < 1607216942 170689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll still have some internet stuff of course < 1607218133 528699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough, we've spent the last five Christmases here in the UK without meeting any family, but now we're planning on doing the video call thing, even though we could've done that any of the past years. < 1607218627 798922 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been mixed for us, there were two non-consecutive years where we spent christmas at my brothers' in Sweden, which has the drawback of not being able to spend one day around christmas with my grandma < 1607218778 718728 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who wishes to help for testing with Free Hero Mesh can compare with the behaviour of the EKS Hero Mesh; you will need the 16-bit Windows shareware version of Hero Defiant or Falling Hero (I think the 32-bit versions disable the class editor if you do not register, but the 16-bit versions still allow it to be used). < 1607218988 456536 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.217.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607219125 182350 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.216.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607219130 330655 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.217.114 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1607219366 889467 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607219497 616337 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Client Quit < 1607219514 510177 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607219534 656689 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Client Quit < 1607219550 490515 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607219585 565066 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Client Quit < 1607219600 476929 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607219605 295341 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Client Quit < 1607219751 994035 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly is "VCC+GIGICAR 1989 !!"? Some Amiga music files contain this as the title, and they are not all the same music. < 1607219792 272993 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607219847 888920 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They do not all identify the same composers either) < 1607220189 540781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The database says there are two Frenchpeople with those names, http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/author.php?id=3895 and http://janeway.exotica.org.uk/author.php?id=36020 -- so perhaps that's related somehow. < 1607220569 946311 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe it is related. < 1607231140 440110 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607232766 569967 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607235200 756676 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607237751 422035 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607237799 726304 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1607241184 573331 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1607241207 420461 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1607242107 825835 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607242408 993727 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1607243468 817178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Cybertelx 5* 10New user account > 1607243650 593940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79203&oldid=79164 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (+238) 10 > 1607243723 543392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Cybertelx14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79204 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (+106) 10Created page with "Hi guys! I'm Cybertelx, the creator of a programming language known as Dick, published on npm as Dicklang." < 1607245677 812169 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1607246176 432997 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dick14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79205 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (+1757) 10dick > 1607246240 41088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79206&oldid=79205 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (+63) 10added some clarification > 1607246487 738989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79207&oldid=79206 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (+106) 10added categories > 1607246541 589955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79208&oldid=79178 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (+11) 10 > 1607246582 123290 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79209&oldid=79207 5* 03Cybertelx 5* (-28) 10remove joke lang < 1607246977 679742 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.217.114 QUIT :Changing host < 1607246977 679791 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607247766 209334 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607250232 260429 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1607250891 779489 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607253096 938579 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qehgzewhenwuinpv QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607253158 475983 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-kqefkthjykiioohv QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1607253512 938082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607253938 207225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is up with all those languages without any form of control flow < 1607253979 782540 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones. < 1607254039 648719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: are you ignoring esowiki? The latest addition is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Dick which is about as terrible as it sounds, maybe more so. < 1607254043 414868 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607254050 349548 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. < 1607254069 787665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I'm not blaming you, but in this case you lost relevant context :) < 1607254098 349671 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lyqmjgemtzmuyqwo JOIN :#esoteric < 1607254102 672832 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less of a hard ignore, more "I just don't see it anymore". < 1607254105 923354 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes glaze over it. < 1607254117 746490 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that language in the TC category? < 1607254142 503599 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did someone think that was a worthy addition. < 1607254147 719807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably cluelessness on part of the author < 1607254170 199589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that may answer both questions, actually < 1607254261 450084 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of low effort joke esolangs on the wiki > 1607254436 291273 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointless14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79210&oldid=75241 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10speling of category < 1607254465 405400 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"speling" :) > 1607254543 340526 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07*14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79211&oldid=75203 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10category spilling > 1607254639 370299 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheems14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79212&oldid=77575 5* 03Int-e 5* (-1) 10catypogory > 1607254709 134302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07QTTRPG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79213&oldid=77578 5* 03Int-e 5* (-20) 10remove unpopulated category > 1607254757 109261 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Complack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79214&oldid=77804 5* 03Int-e 5* (-20) 10remove non-category > 1607254789 742543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Categorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79215&oldid=77006 5* 03Int-e 5* (-66) 10remove non-category > 1607254854 388199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[075D 5D Brainfuck With Multiverse Time Travel With Multiverse Time Travel14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79216&oldid=76511 5* 03Int-e 5* (-66) 10remove non-category > 1607254962 390645 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Absurd Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79217&oldid=68937 5* 03Int-e 5* (-38) 10remove non-category < 1607254987 137644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the worst offenders from https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Categories&offset=&limit=500 < 1607255015 728825 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607255079 911269 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tpluxyeyibldhpuw JOIN :#esoteric < 1607255087 622908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how I feel about graph-based... it could be viable actually if it were to encompass the graph rewriting ones > 1607255228 594481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79218&oldid=79209 5* 03Int-e 5* (-10) 10not TC < 1607257459 315227 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607257564 289462 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1607257828 833425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RSG4908 5* 10New user account > 1607258004 864779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79219&oldid=79203 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+295) 10 > 1607258121 592456 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RSG490814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79220 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+141) 10Created page with "Hello. I'm RSG4908. I currently do not have my own esolang yet, but I am currently at this hour, trying to come up with an esoteric language." < 1607258479 69753 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, the wiki is full of those. both ones with penis jokes https://esolangs.org/wiki/PenisScript https://esolangs.org/wiki/La_We%C3%A1 and stuff without control flow < 1607258479 801678 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do last years aoc < 1607258483 665467 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep hearing about the intcode > 1607258871 219196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Skyespr 5* 10New user account > 1607258999 12715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79221&oldid=79219 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+167) 10added Skyespr's introduction > 1607259100 364605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79222&oldid=77766 5* 03Skyespr 5* (-190) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ removed MLA idea after making it < 1607259141 790417 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1607259233 719090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79223&oldid=79208 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+12) 10added MLang > 1607259392 187651 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79224 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+9024) 10Created page, added readme from github because I didn't feel like typing the whole thing again > 1607259653 184383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79225&oldid=79224 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+31) 10formatting > 1607259752 940253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79226&oldid=79225 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+2) 10 > 1607259874 351829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79227&oldid=79226 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+47) 10 < 1607260294 911379 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607260430 289193 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1607260944 135365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79228 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+1411) 10Create UClang language page > 1607261056 252090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79229&oldid=79228 5* 03RSG4908 5* (-74) 10 > 1607261059 256954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79230&oldid=79227 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+86) 10added output < 1607261082 365818 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xaacvvtpljzprofm QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1 < 1607261095 196436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :day 6 of Aoc 2020 is easy enough too. but then, it could get more difficult any day. < 1607261096 496431 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qzndpvdvnozrajjg JOIN :#esoteric > 1607261172 588071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79231&oldid=79230 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+8) 10formatting > 1607261182 992855 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79232&oldid=79089 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+13) 10 > 1607261284 423096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79233&oldid=79229 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+10) 10 > 1607261359 714006 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79234&oldid=79231 5* 03Skyespr 5* (-8) 10 > 1607261503 584364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79235&oldid=79233 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+1) 10 > 1607261544 363097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:UClang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79236 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+130) 10Created page with "can we rename this page to UClang*? okthxbyte --~~~~" > 1607261612 824869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79237&oldid=79235 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+31) 10 < 1607261623 77413 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607261838 317280 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ctucyqucppeujcfc JOIN :#esoteric > 1607262424 859558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79238&oldid=79237 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+25) 10 < 1607262434 199940 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607262470 353671 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607262615 802099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm mostly unsatisfied by all the part twos being pretty much the same as the corresponding part ones so far. < 1607262762 39907 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1607262790 796554 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I foolishly did today's union by concatenating strings < 1607262810 136748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the difference is a tiny bit larger than it could be < 1607263130 401596 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think they're the same. they sound similat but are always a bit harder to atually solve. < 1607263179 5737 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think that's foolish < 1607263244 655337 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still wonder what happens if a traveler answers no to all questions. < 1607263398 654221 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, they specified the set of all questions... that corner case didn't come up. < 1607263698 850514 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :th e problem today did not excite me < 1607263707 984051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I did today, literally the only difference between parts 1 and 2 was the choice of a boolean operator and initial value. And on day 3, part 2 was just "run part 1 five times". And on day 2, part 2 was arguably easier. < 1607263808 128545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked most those puzzles last year where part 1 was solvable by just implementing the spec given in the calendar in the most straightforward way, but in part 2 that was obviously computationally infeasible, so you had to come up with something else. Unless you had overengineered part 1 already, of course. < 1607263959 912382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://adventofcode.com/2019/day/16 and https://adventofcode.com/2019/day/22 being prime examples (though non-prime numbers) of that kind of thing, except of course you presumably can't see part 2 if you didn't do last year. < 1607264030 807821 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.217.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607264076 465988 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607264105 268149 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe you're better at guessing what the twist (second part) will be. I don't try to guess or make my first solution more complicated than it needs to be. today, I used one dictionary for the original, adding each letter, without bothering to do anything special between lines; for the twist I needed to use two dictionaries, the first collecting the letters of a line, the second intersecting the < 1607264111 275606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines. < 1607264153 556565 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, there haven't been any really challenging part 2s so far this year (day 4 was just tedious) -- I think we're all waiting for the difficulty to pick up < 1607264197 234990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I realized that I only started AoC in the 10th day last year... so maybe that's why this year feels trivial so far < 1607264204 155345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in/on/ < 1607264229 301467 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: day 3 was the closest, though I personally converted for a one-pass read-compute to a two-pass read then compute solution, that wasn't really necessary. the first day needed to change from one loop with a dictionary to a nested loop with a dictionary, so definitely more complicated. < 1607264242 787154 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :day 2 indeed also barely changed. < 1607264299 550514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :day 5 had identical code (none) :P < 1607264371 357334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Mmmaybe. 2019 had the Intcode thing going on pretty early on, which was interesting in a different way, but it's true that e.g. day 4 2019 was very similar to this year so far. < 1607264421 310981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And https://adventofcode.com/2019/day/6 was pretty simple though I generally like the graph-y ones more. < 1607264451 589197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: for day 5, I had one line of code for the original (to convert from binary to decimal), but like ten lines of code for the twist < 1607264500 841432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I just inspected the sorted list manually < 1607264533 288838 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure I'd have been faster writing code... probably not < 1607264544 519922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say, it's quite possible the shell oneliner "solution" would've been the one for the leaderboards. < 1607264546 792009 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but then how do you get from a binary number to a decimal number that you enter in the field? < 1607264559 240344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: inspecting the sorted list would work, sure < 1607264569 802038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc <<<2i1010101101p < 1607264581 204610 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't do that because I wanted to know that there's only one number missing < 1607264592 920840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't care < 1607264614 572510 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally want to test and verify that the data is like what I expect. it doesn't matter for AoC, but for things I do at work it *does* help. < 1607264624 954667 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the data is very often not what it's supposed to be < 1607264625 385401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked the first gap in the list and submitted < 1607264633 18954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I guess that makes sense for AoC < 1607264682 309948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in retrospect I should've converted to decimal, sorted, and then looked for the gap... might have saved half a minute because scanning decimals is easier < 1607264702 805119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for no better reason than familiarity) < 1607264721 917546 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607264733 477415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nah, it might be easier to find the gap in the last column of binary than in decimal < 1607264741 291619 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's just two digits alternating < 1607264841 641969 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today somebody did both parts in 1m27s... I wonder what kind of automation they have < 1607264847 547076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what sort of templates < 1607264891 491513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't sort for the original btw, because the letters don't sort naturally. F=0 B=1 sorts backwards, L=0 R=1 sorts forwards. I just grepped for ^BBB and a few more greps later I found the last one. < 1607264910 729089 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort could work if you tr first. < 1607264926 232397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine something like a Python repl with a few utilities like "read blank-line-separated paragraphs" would make a competitive AoC environment, at least for the simple ones. < 1607264940 649594 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess you could at least automatically download the input from the webpage < 1607264962 851749 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you could do way less verification than I do and submit the first attempt at an answer without checking < 1607264990 957336 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only helps for a speed competition, which I don't care much about, for the real world work guessing wouldn't work well < 1607265256 141102 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607265261 456375 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607265562 426364 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, in task 4 twist, several people have passports where the issue year or expiry year or both are many years before their birth year, but all those passports are denied in the twist for other reasons < 1607265585 164143 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody brought a passport that expired before it was issued < 1607265640 452292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this mostly happens in passports with the birth year in the future, but there's one with byr:1983 iyr:1958 eyr:1979 < 1607265681 905551 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who bring that sort of fake document should probably get arrested and questioned, not merely denied their entry to the airplane < 1607265929 626294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people also have nonexistant country codes, but the spec explicitly says to ignore that, so that's fine < 1607265948 171300 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact actual country codes seem to be rare < 1607266757 732859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're definitely right though that Intcode made last year's AoC more likely to appeal to esolangers. And we did discuss the power of Intcode quite a bit back then. < 1607266995 609711 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1607267805 911758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-pizza < 1607267807 594902 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :random-pizza? No such file or directory < 1607267902 19560 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607267989 867633 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607268007 536239 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1607268231 293541 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:3dd3:a99a:ac8e:540f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607268289 492383 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607268442 404341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, does Horn Drill bypass normal damage calculation rules? < 1607268442 590275 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ' i still don't like it," said ridcully. he scratched his chin with his free hand into a grinder? this place deserves vorbis! sheep deserve to be caught. < 1607269396 443371 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607269538 308836 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607269632 223166 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607269640 292818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: b_jonas: Just to put some numbers on this, here's the median time in seconds to get one/two stars for the top 100s: http://ix.io/2GRX < 1607269643 527755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big numbers on 2020 day 1 are I think a problem when releasing the puzzle (that's why it awarded no points), and I think there's been some of those in the past too. < 1607270542 774947 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607270913 905108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79239&oldid=79238 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10wikilink, cat, / > 1607270993 138716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:UClang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79240&oldid=79236 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+258) 10reply < 1607271313 206871 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, that's a big table < 1607271328 467538 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice > 1607271803 451730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79241&oldid=79182 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-219) 10Minification > 1607271822 707637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79242&oldid=79241 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+134) 10/* weivrevo egaugnaL */ min > 1607271853 442088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79243&oldid=79239 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* Instructions */ tb > 1607271952 484583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79244&oldid=79126 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+853) 10/* Code examples */ > 1607271965 704881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79245&oldid=79244 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-1) 10/* Add 2 numbers */ > 1607272201 815306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Aspwil 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:NDBALL.jpg10]]" > 1607272210 283314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79247&oldid=79245 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+130) 10/* Add 2 numbers */ > 1607272238 28243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79248&oldid=79247 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+1) 10/* Add 2 numbers */ > 1607272370 327789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79249&oldid=79218 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+71) 10headers, cat, 69, not TC > 1607272401 203494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79250&oldid=79234 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10/* design parameters: */ list < 1607272446 298352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along those lines, here's also the twistiness rating for each day: http://ix.io/2GSu < 1607272452 957786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined as the ratio between total think-time spent by the first 100 people to get two stars vs. to get one star. > 1607272458 964387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yo!nk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79251&oldid=79108 5* 03Mantita223 5* (+136) 10/* Syntax */ > 1607272476 431913 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79252&oldid=79250 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+8) 10/* Hello world */ code < 1607272489 25637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's not really that different from previous years, and in fact day 4 of 2020 was above-average twisty. > 1607272489 244779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yo!nk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79253&oldid=79251 5* 03Mantita223 5* (+12) 10/* Hello World */ > 1607272509 129172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79254&oldid=79252 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10Undo revision 79252 by [[Special:Contributions/PythonshellDebugwindow|PythonshellDebugwindow]] ([[User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow|talk]]) (was this literal?) < 1607272533 407884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was day 4 again? Oh, right, the passport verification, with the strict rules for part 2. Makes sense, I guess. > 1607272563 303955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79255&oldid=79254 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+90) 10/* output */ CATS < 1607272692 157886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbers also suggest year 2019 was unusually twisty (median twistiness of 2.14, compared to 1.23, 1.53, 1.70 and 1.81 for 2015-2018 and 1.76 for 2020 so far), which might be why my expectations are amiss. < 1607272739 614602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't argue with science. (Having some numbers equals science. (I learned that from some recent election lawsuits.)) < 1607272897 736019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice < 1607272951 686805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if we could guess from these numbers that day 7 will have the first harder task < 1607273057 829740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does look a little like a trend, from eyeballing the numbers. (Should've probably plotted these instead, because eyeballs are more compatible with pixels than numbers.) < 1607273126 436668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I didn't include today because I thought "I couldn't possibly, the day is still ongoing", but it's not like the leaderboard is going to change. < 1607273171 778458 :Guest26718!~unknown@191.95.50.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607273213 832518 :Guest26718!~unknown@191.95.50.41 PART :#esoteric < 1607273445 148577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ix.io/2GSF with day 6 included. < 1607273862 711595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks < 1607273929 379699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so still in normal range, high variance. < 1607273963 319364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first couple of days in 2015 don't count, they mostly indicate a certain lack of popularity) < 1607274001 669792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I finished Hiding Spot < 1607274041 388981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 609 is one of the hardest puzzles in all the game, though there are one or two more of comparable difficulty, to me. < 1607274084 959497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And there is one final puzzle after the 54 you can access at any time. < 1607274389 640177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh ambiguity. There are 54 levels that you can access from the beginning. The final one unlocks when you've completed the other ones.) < 1607274400 321353 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is day 1 always on --12-01 of the year given? < 1607274641 300428 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it a bit strange that there are 25 days, not 25, from --12-01 to --12-24 inclusive. is there an ISO standard advent calendar or something? < 1607274722 334555 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cultural difference < 1607274852 195865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just a matter of taste... 'Many Advent calendars take the form of a large rectangular card with "windows",[5] one for each day of December leading up to and including Christmas Eve (December 24) or Christmas Day (December 25).' < 1607274878 819455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1607274943 977046 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, in Germany: "Nach 1945 setzte sich endgültig der Kalender beginnend vom 1. Dezember mit 24 Türchen durch." < 1607274962 910899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always trust the Germans to standardize all the important things. < 1607274963 803554 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1607274987 527 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, but more often than not, there are german and international rules for something < 1607274997 495275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1607275000 930026 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jugger or quidditch < 1607275011 693839 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or chess < 1607275018 412928 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are german chess rules? < 1607275018 778908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah I wasn't sure whether US advent calendars were universally 25 days long. < 1607275087 15913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One point in favor is that they tend to celebrate the 25th. One point against is that 6x4 is an aesthetically more pleasing rectangle compared to a 5x5 square. I mean, in the interest of overthinking it. < 1607275110 23140 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. chess had a lot of variant rules, some of their differences are just phrasing and bookkeeping, some were bugs that got patched away when a player first used them in a tournament (like the bug when you used to be able to promote a pawn to an opponent's piece), some are just stupid rules that aren't used in practice (like the dead game rules) < 1607275110 471862 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a german, 24 is obviously the right way to go < 1607275140 318126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not 6x4 because the last day gets a larger door < 1607275141 424539 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i ever change my figure to an opponent one? < 1607275148 203267 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not always < 1607275179 433823 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because in some very rare cases that lets you win an endgame < 1607275180 681768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because then the opponent can't capture it < 1607275190 197360 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1607275195 533442 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :give a check with very few pieces remaining < 1607275208 589341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's less likelyhood of stalemate, right < 1607275215 38785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :likelihood < 1607275224 611720 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet probably has an example < 1607275228 731023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a historical one that is < 1607275238 997357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of those rule gaps, 0-0-0-0 is my favorite < 1607275250 311187 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1607275347 569013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :castling extra long. the rule phrasing it's based on stipulates that if the king hasn't moved and the rook hasn't moved, the king may castle by making two steps towards the rook while the rook moves to the crossed square... provided all intermediate squares are empty and the king is not in check before, after, or on the square it crossed. < 1607275348 78131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what's that? < 1607275348 754495 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there was also castling forwards < 1607275350 866061 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1607275366 778431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... you promote the king pawn to a rook... has the rook moved? < 1607275375 639369 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not < 1607275380 10445 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh heck < 1607275408 228728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that lead the king to a point that's not aligned to a square if the rook isn't lined up nicely? < 1607275419 498166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1607275422 138711 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be hard to check it then < 1607275436 590282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I've made that text up, trying to capture the important points < 1607275447 819690 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607275490 452273 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since I learned about this. IIRC this rule interpretation was cooked up for a chess problem; it never happened in an actual game. < 1607275586 49104 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, those rules are found more often by puzzle makers than by players < 1607275654 466851 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some rulesets also have silly bugs where it says that once the game ends, you can't change the result if an illegal move is later discovered, so you can just quickly make an illegal move that gives a checkmate, and unless the opponent is fast enough to call an umpire during your move, you've won < 1607275660 43509 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that right as your first move < 1607275672 193381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I think I need more zeros. < 1607275732 516812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-0-0-0-0-0-0 (if the number of zeros represents how many squares the rook moves, which is the case for 0-0 and 0-0-0) < 1607275737 147367 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't like the zeros at all, they're remains from old forms of notation. just denote castling by the logical Kb1, Kf1, Kb8, or Kf8 < 1607275768 942654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... like them, mostly < 1607275786 293552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that I care at all, which isn't very much < 1607275788 374595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: plus if it represents how many squares the rook moves, you may have to use 0 zeroes and -1 hyphens in Fischer random chess < 1607275826 973024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fun. < 1607275875 630193 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I like that castling stands out in a game record. < 1607275889 846563 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the moves are Kc1, Kg1, Kc8, Kg8 because I'm stupid < 1607275945 614408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Which I would've noticed if I was familiar with chess notation :P < 1607275968 737977 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the notation with the king also doesn't work in Fischer random chess, because it may be ambigious with a normal king move < 1607275971 236309 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/familiar/fluent/ < 1607276001 55217 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should write both? K0-0-0c1 or something < 1607276008 151342 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1607276079 465963 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just K0c1 or something < 1607276099 853822 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0 takes the place of an x that indicates capture < 1607277150 202395 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was castling notation written as "0-0" and "0-0-0" anyways? < 1607277465 437274 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Advent starts on Sunday, so why do they call it that even though it does not start on Sunday? < 1607278003 113200 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607280002 707877 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like the bug when you used to be able to promote a pawn to an opponent's piece" <-- lmao < 1607280012 323211 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a situation where this is advantageous? < 1607280057 287004 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see there is some discussion of this < 1607280177 547704 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-0-0 ought to be a type of steam engine < 1607280180 956189 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not a very useful one < 1607280477 532827 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607280624 779324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish advent calendars definitely have 24 doors. < 1607280635 122532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we do the presents thing on the 24th as well. < 1607280685 804375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last day tends to get double doors. < 1607280728 419027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And often it's not a regular pattern, since part of the fun is trying to find the next number, and that gets trickier when they're not in a grid but instead hidden away in natural edges of the picture. < 1607281077 71300 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607282098 583959 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.217.114 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1607282170 449238 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.217.114 QUIT :Changing host < 1607282170 449314 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1607282202 257779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finvara14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79256&oldid=78715 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-8) 10 < 1607282512 997067 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cute < 1607282524 678193 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do regular xmas presents on the 24th? or something else? < 1607282633 167547 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there are situations where it is an advantage to promote to opponent's piece, such as to prevent another opponent's piece from occupying it, and possibly also to avoid stalemate in some situations. I think some even older versions of the rules said that promotion is optional, and did not say that you are not allowed to promote to a king. < 1607282693 307797 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering about that too < 1607282708 67540 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :having multiple kings seems disadvantageous < 1607282721 45662 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd be obliged to respond if either is in check, and you'd lose if either is in checkmate? < 1607282724 638250 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that's not how it works < 1607282746 881499 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe these things would only apply to your last king < 1607282873 600664 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently once (I don't know if it is true) someone who did not know that promotion to king is disallowed did so, and opponent's next move was to checkmate both kings simultaneously. < 1607283164 864404 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1607284650 836272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular presents, yes. Whatever that means. < 1607284713 817206 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my family we did regular christmas presents on the morning of the 25th, as is typical in the US, but each kid also got a book for a present on the evening of the 24th < 1607284725 856496 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think was just a tradition of our family and not a particularly common thing < 1607284754 380488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607284755 556903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That all reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIj8NphrAFI < 1607284882 825583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0-0-0 ought to be a type of steam engine" or a football strategy when all players except one got the red card < 1607284904 241816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not a very useful one < 1607284926 424392 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also did trick-or-treating on October 30th, not 31st < 1607284936 46322 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beggar's Night" < 1607284940 701356 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a thing in certain parts of the Midwest < 1607284987 923817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do trick-or-treating on Palm Sunday around Easter, curiously enough. < 1607284992 229326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virvonta < 1607285050 861795 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1607285117 762394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe not exactly the same, but closest we used to have, really. Although maybe these days they do a more Halloweeny thing too.) < 1607286862 227120 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607288023 661604 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607288494 540866 :sebbu2!~sebbu@lfbn-dij-1-1065-70.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1607288553 181705 :sebbu2!~sebbu@lfbn-dij-1-1065-70.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1607288553 181772 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607288576 402598 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607288820 512534 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:3dd3:a99a:ac8e:540f QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607289082 151317 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607289986 770951 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607290393 488104 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607291658 252962 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.174.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607292108 324051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly as an excuse to use Altair outside the context of Google Colab: https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/ < 1607292131 273842 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607292555 376360 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607292609 940773 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607292635 384959 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607293179 785443 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607294031 978393 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607294238 769459 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607295709 191417 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607297276 131352 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ctucyqucppeujcfc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607299226 229752 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607299266 784753 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607299856 70631 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607299874 395506 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607301811 688435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently Erich Friedman's periodic table of mathematicians https://erich-friedman.github.io/periodic/ suffered some link rot between its state in 2011 "http://www2.stetson.edu/~efriedma/periodictable/ and when it got moved to github in 2020-08 < 1607301815 693538 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/erich-friedman/erich-friedman.github.io/commit/b317aa1ecbf9cf43ad8dee9c1a4c81db29ecfb2d#diff-a8f9b083bb67e1d94f586b59296004debb997e79367a4d182d31487f157c543d < 1607301851 656317 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that some of the HTML pages have been renamed, and the old name points to a different bibliography now < 1607301879 820232 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not easy to find a bibliography even if you know the old url and the name of the mathematicians whose bibliography it is < 1607302031 637522 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also he has .DS_Store committed to the github -- apparently this file is the equivalent of windows's desktop.ini , the file in which file explorer stores folder-specific settings) < 1607303448 721030 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1607305307 490105 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znmtzhbkdrsegkvy JOIN :#esoteric < 1607305458 809256 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607305476 206493 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.218.10 JOIN :#esoteric > 1607306068 949154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03RSG4908 5* 10moved [[02UClang10]] to [[UClang*]]: Add star to make sure someone doesn't confuse it with https://github.com/izuzanak/uclang > 1607306069 31021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03RSG4908 5* 10moved [[02Talk:UClang10]] to [[Talk:UClang*]]: Add star to make sure someone doesn't confuse it with https://github.com/izuzanak/uclang > 1607306523 675452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang*14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79261&oldid=79257 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+7) 10Add table of contents > 1607306816 461457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 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:aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1607318544 862692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, the graph based one is back < 1607319346 566464 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607321331 501784 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1607323546 690858 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sadako14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79267 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+1649) 10a new language i guess > 1607323620 266994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79268&oldid=79138 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+65) 10Added Sadako > 1607323682 483274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79269&oldid=79268 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+1) 10Fixed alphabetization > 1607323715 444835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79270&oldid=79199 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+26) 10 > 1607323743 75937 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sadako14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79271&oldid=79267 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+2) 10 < 1607323872 46774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607324132 160584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1607324182 113775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Sadako... cute concept, but sadly, there's no way to refer to new points. < 1607324262 623487 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607324552 181016 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607324678 540012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Back to Hiding Spot. < 1607324697 199983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping I'd get back to 609 and just immediately figure it out in a few minutes, but no, it's still tricky. < 1607324704 40303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: beware of the monsters < 1607324727 625526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1607324773 617510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://slbkbs.org/tmp/2020-12-06-230533_3840x2160.png -- not the solution. :-( < 1607324805 315089 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks cute < 1607324841 280414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also triggers a bug (?) when you stand up. The chairs rises with you, so it's floating. < 1607324873 443560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I didn't encounter any bugs here... < 1607324911 87502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think that I've even tested that particular case < 1607324913 864075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not a game-breaking bug. < 1607324927 147145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had a bug several times where you get embedded into furniture. < 1607324934 434370 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sitting below an upright table) < 1607324945 784613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://slbkbs.org/tmp/2020-11-30-012225_3840x2160.png < 1607324965 906308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1607324988 393432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never ran into that? < 1607325002 3306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happened at least three times to me with various furniture in various places. < 1607325025 55379 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never ran into anything like it. < 1607325040 808250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We may be playing different versions of the game though; I downloaded it from itch.io < 1607325068 660219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using the Steam version. < 1607325084 881428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v1.0.8 < 1607325085 195906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also running it under Windows, but it's hard to imagine that wine would make it fail in this way. < 1607325103 737001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :v1.0.6 here, fun. < 1607325114 926387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe a new bug :P < 1607325120 711244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's two extra bugs. < 1607325175 727261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the other one might still be there < 1607325184 369352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s/still/already/ < 1607325298 338166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that 8 was the bug count. < 1607325313 296159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1607325544 194436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if you were never even standing under a table like, then presumably I'm not on the right track at all. < 1607325579 393079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as long as I'm getting into situations I haven't been in before, at least I'm making some sort of forward progress. < 1607325588 826886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to stack a table on top of another table. < 1607325845 555623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/609a.png ... looks fine < 1607325886 555769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you crouch and stand back up, it doesn't float? < 1607325906 473171 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1607325909 650606 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep, tried that < 1607326044 310261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've definitely crouched inder a table and stood up, lifting it, so the second screenshot looks terrible < 1607326066 468899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that doesn't happen reproducibly. < 1607326073 130754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I mean, I haven't figured out what causes it. < 1607326081 890987 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607326089 127888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I *think* when I pressed undo and took the same action it didn't happen a second time, though I'm not confident. < 1607326147 119667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there doesn't seem to be a changelog :-/ < 1607326165 271351 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I haven't found any) < 1607326228 603717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a subtle difference in the implementation of the Win32 API that WINE gets wrong. < 1607326266 587538 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... shouldn't this part be purely handled by game logic without Win32 API interference... < 1607326307 195459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the part that irritates me < 1607326325 338669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I was saying a clearly false thing there. < 1607326347 672168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if it's using WINE. Linux is listed as an official platform in Steam. < 1607326394 376224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://coreymartin.itch.io/hiding-spot-ld-jam-version says it's implemented with Unity. I don't know whether the full game is. < 1607326423 112769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1607326447 3935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be something mundane then, like C/C++ code that relies on undefined behavior in one place. < 1607326477 641742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just now: https://slbkbs.org/tmp/2020-12-06-233408_3840x2160.png < 1607326486 375467 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why there isn't a Linux version on itch.io then. < 1607326512 76221 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: after pulling it in from the right? < 1607326523 263279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* the last key I pressed was right. < 1607326525 139392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure. < 1607326530 988349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I guess I am sure. < 1607326532 969773 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-left? < 1607326535 459154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because undo brought me to the corner. < 1607326543 140040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? you walked into the box? < 1607326546 565660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1607326548 749368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1607326566 948272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've definitely not experienced any glitches like that. < 1607326601 527983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm vaguely remembering that's how the table screenshot from above happened too, actually, just walking into it. < 1607326609 150725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be rather annoying... and game-breaking because it'll allow weird solutions to puzzles < 1607326644 915116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, game-breaking in that it allows you to cheat. < 1607326660 638099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can call it a cheat < 1607326664 335138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I don't mind in general. But it's certainly a bug. < 1607326672 273066 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are those lack racks? < 1607326745 986594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the floating I was talking about, by the way: https://slbkbs.org/tmp/2020-12-06-233839_3840x2160.png < 1607326765 177886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Okay, so I pictured it correctly. < 1607326774 751406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Man that must be annoying to play. < 1607326788 918540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this breaks any solutions, though. < 1607326807 315277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the floating table is *probably* harmless. < 1607326822 11250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But walking through boxes without pushing them isn't, of course. < 1607326856 78488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it only happens rarely. < 1607326861 712935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, harmless for solutions. It messes with building an internal model for the puzzle mechanics. < 1607326880 108574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't excuse me not solving this puzzle by now. < 1607326892 250549 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607326892 452334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have the correct model for how everything behaves at this point. < 1607326916 643744 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what makes 609 hard is that basically every floor square could be a hiding spot < 1607326932 981438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the usual approach of figuring out where to go and then working towards that goal doesn't work < 1607326976 325470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, the tables are kind of hard to visualize properly. < 1607327540 356667 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607327559 335312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm, turntables, or turning tables... there must be a GOOD pun in this. < 1607327600 164241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e is making puns now? < 1607327602 672743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tables have turned. < 1607327605 29906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically it's more tipping and pushing tables. < 1607327608 242896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking, I know. < 1607327648 874810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pun < 1607327652 524681 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. < 1607327673 931569 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh an inside joke. < 1607327739 455065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's set up not to hilight me. Very considerate. < 1607327777 439689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I just walked through furniture again. < 1607327790 686220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it was a table that was on its side, so I could have gotten to that state anyway. < 1607328139 431061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :708 is making me question my model, on the other hand, hmm. < 1607328444 387844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue which one that is < 1607328632 317066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golly. < 1607328635 385887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there monsters? < 1607328644 358347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be spookled. < 1607328702 371036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't worry, the monsters are just in your head < 1607328746 372690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How is that supposed to be reassuring? :-P) < 1607328869 19302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp mock < 1607328870 791831 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity function:The identity function is a mockingbird. \ mockingbird:mockingbird is watching you.. closely! Is it mocking you? Probably. \ patent:Patent is an adjective which means that something is painfully obvious. Often used to rightfully mock people that do not see it. > 1607332390 64953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 030xFF 5* 10New user account > 1607332961 408764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79272&oldid=79221 5* 030xFF 5* (+479) 10/* Introductions */ < 1607333005 123974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1607333068 117098 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:0xFF14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79273 5* 030xFF 5* (+477) 10Created page with "uw:1,1;wm:1;am:2;am:4;at;uw:1,0;uw:2:0;uw:4,0;uw:1,1;uw:2,1;uw:5,1;uw:7,1;at;uw:1,0;uw:2,0;uw:5,0;uw:7,0;uw:1,1;uw:2,1;uw:4,1;uw:5,1;at;at;uw:6,1;uw:7,1;at;uw:0,0;uw:1,0;uw:2,..." > 1607333611 250241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79274&oldid=79242 5* 030xFF 5* (-28346) 10 < 1607333732 955531 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.218.10 QUIT :Changing host < 1607333732 955578 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607334282 371222 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607334298 892966 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607335353 492120 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607335496 341931 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607336573 432995 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607336593 722162 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1607337187 562482 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79275&oldid=79255 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+4) 10 > 1607337582 996817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* 10New user account > 1607338145 127652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79276&oldid=79272 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+335) 10/* Introductions */ > 1607338398 932007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79277&oldid=79276 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+137) 10/* Introductions */ forgot signature > 1607338627 26312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Braincopter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79278 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+116) 10/* About pixel extraction (65536 * R + 256 * G + B) */ new section > 1607339516 118217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UClang*14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79279&oldid=79266 5* 03RSG4908 5* (+124) 10 < 1607340572 919937 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, how old is progressive JPEG? en.Wikipedia only says "When progressive JPEGs are received by programs that do not support them (such as versions of Internet Explorer before Windows 7)[47] the software displays the image only after it has been completely downloaded." but I know the grandmaphone that I first bought a few years ago for my grandma doesn't display them at all. < 1607340661 467866 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that I was wondering about image formats, and how JPEG is really old, and how after the failure of jpeg2000, and how we really need a new one, and how google's webp might finally be able to break the deadlock, < 1607340700 158668 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I realized that "JPEG is so old" is not entirely fair when I really rely on progressive JPEGs and how they can compress much better than baseline JPEGs because they can use different Huffman tables for different progressive steps. < 1607340747 67067 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really use them for being "progressive" in the sense that you can decode them in lower quality from a prefix of the file, but I am using them for better compression. < 1607340789 656540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently progressive encoding is supposed to be part of "baseline jpeg". then I don't know why that phone doesn't support it < 1607340801 220708 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also an issue with embedding such jpegs into pdf I think < 1607340808 366288 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the grandmaphone is not the only broken case < 1607340915 729663 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I can't find out if it's specified in the original 1992 JPEG spec, because it's an ISO standard and "https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-T.81" says "This text was produced through a joint activity with ISO and IEC. According to the agreement with our partners, this document is only available through payment." < 1607340925 635399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, standards that you have to pay for are so useful < 1607341111 861639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the standard isn't even really necessary, in the sense of https://xkcd.com/971/ , because you can do all the same things without a standard (sell something for much more money by stating it conforms to standars without the customer being able to verify that easily) by just referring to "current industry best practice" or the euphemism "current industry standard" which means the same. < 1607341179 407659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw apparently each AoC day has an alliterating name < 1607341353 192824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait, are banks actually allowed to advertise loans as targeted to businesses in trouble, as opposed to targeted to individuals in trouble or businesses trying to grow? < 1607341427 560748 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they not allowed but doing it anyway when the current government happens to be on their side of politics? > 1607342049 359004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Pistons & Pistons14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79280&oldid=64263 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+221) 10/* Language origin */ new section < 1607342782 852347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't looks like webp took hold yet < 1607343007 640008 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikimedia Commons has 160 TB of jpeg, 69 TB of tiff (wow), 4 TB of png, but less than a gigabyte of webp. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaStatistics > 1607343427 818683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brain:D14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79281 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+500) 10/* Token identification */ new section < 1607343591 887654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yeah. Was surprised at how rudimentary the graph utilities my Go solutions from last year had. I guess the problems were just never quite exactly the same, and Go isn't such a great language for abstraction, so didn't end up with general DFS/BFS/shortest-path utilities. < 1607343643 900522 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607343653 231562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/time.two.html suggests day 7 *was* a bump up in difficulty, but not as much of a one than in previous years. Or else the contest has just gotten more popular and/or the people on the leaderboards have improved their tools. < 1607343658 890087 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607343727 529036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and I used KISS and just used a iteration until a fixed point is reached < 1607343745 980269 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! darn it, don't spoil it yet < 1607343752 441905 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't solved day 7 yet < 1607343756 599946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't read < 1607343765 390557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: spam? < 1607343765 579836 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the breath of god. ' it all begins to make sense of the presence, for some strange reason and in any case. < 1607343774 167516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1607343774 187219 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1607343780 56437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Some proper long-form spam? < 1607343780 354487 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i will use this important time to help end the spiral of violence which algeria is experiencing political crisis, as you describe it, i quite understand that the criteria for adjusting to the market throughout the union. < 1607343786 694627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shorter than I expected. < 1607344122 58753 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607344146 756308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: lovely spam! < 1607344147 207397 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, we would all love to see: a shorter working week, correctly carried out, and the proposed limit value of 0.1 ppm would be too many control centres is nonsense. last year 390 000 people applied for asylum in a member state and we have to acknowledge that undoubtedly we will also continue to be permitted for several years now. i would also like to emphasise once again how much the european union < 1607344153 145813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more like it < 1607344180 366808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/oskarsve/ms-teams-rce ... sigh ... Electron, what a grand idea. < 1607344400 180828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We would all love to see a shorter working week, but 0.1 ppm is just too short. < 1607344437 613054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it that means you work for... about 60 milliseconds a week. < 1607344787 498766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll raise a lot of complaints about the daily commute < 1607344832 603672 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 86400*7 < 1607344834 667884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 604800 < 1607344848 178249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that number doesn't look familiar at all :) < 1607344891 737174 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 86400 * 14 < 1607344894 286297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1209600 > 1607345101 986105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79282 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+168) 10Created page with "What the brainf*er are those. --~~~~" < 1607345188 233169 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... driving at 1 nanoparsec per fortnight < 1607345226 796426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` units 'nanoparsec per fortnight' 'mph' < 1607345228 303852 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ * 57.064023 \ / 0.017524176 < 1607345294 845852 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607345415 158303 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a hard time spelling "fortnight" correctly. < 1607345453 510040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of that stupid video game (that I've never played but watched a bit on youtube.) < 1607345577 161025 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 > 1607347204 646442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79283&oldid=76121 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-7) 10m < 1607347396 376912 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1607347906 51375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79284&oldid=69175 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10link > 1607347926 871925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shorten your Brainfuck code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79285&oldid=79284 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* External Links */ h < 1607348521 494346 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607348663 997634 :LKoen_!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607348829 166699 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607348903 727657 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607349048 742410 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1607349280 183655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus. yesterday we mentioned the bugs in former specifications in chess. and now I'm reading back a forum discussion about how in D&D 3.5 the rules don't seem to clearly claim that an object animated with the "Animate object" spell is a creature, even though the rules are seemingly written as if they wanted to make it a creature. < 1607349326 187893 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it turns out that there is a rule that claims that, we just didn't find it at first < 1607349352 754325 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bit silly < 1607349585 630328 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then that other potential bug that an epic sorcerer can research epic spells that are very much underpowered so they're never worth to actually cast, but that have a negative XP cost to research, so they can just research it without ever casting them and gain unlimited XP for free. (the hard part is of course becoming an epic spellcaster in first place, for which you need 21 XLs and 19 Cha.) < 1607349653 150975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can spend that XP to research and cast overpowered epic spells of course. < 1607349865 494885 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607350246 548358 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-034-125.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607351047 785062 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-034-186.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1607351747 980778 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sadako14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79286&oldid=79271 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+9) 10 < 1607351965 365453 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607353048 898336 :bilal!~bilal@154.121.58.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607353056 717876 :bilal!~bilal@154.121.58.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ear < 1607353142 841714 :bilal!~bilal@154.121.58.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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  < 1607353335 899644 :bilal!~bilal@154.121.58.255 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1607353527 785375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607353569 978211 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1607354593 385361 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye! < 1607354597 194364 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 NICK :arseniiv < 1607354740 147634 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what else is usually there in twos, chopsticks?) < 1607354902 790606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that'll raise a lot of complaints about the daily commute" => what, do you mean like all the color-coded bags that you have to buy? < 1607354914 627809 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hands < 1607354992 955345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm indeed < 1607355004 256730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: twins < 1607355022 241803 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are they chiral though? < 1607355025 103294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: cherries, shoes < 1607355043 653417 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think that depends on the twins < 1607355044 753507 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought cherries may be in threes or ones?.. < 1607355099 182462 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may be, they're only *usually* in twos < 1607355126 54738 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bongos < 1607355179 567910 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder if there is some name for all non-thumb digits as a whole < 1607355190 139504 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they they will be in a pair with a thumb < 1607355196 459945 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: some call it "fingers" < 1607355197 127936 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I want to say dancers, but that requires two twos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutu_(clothing) < 1607355218 794690 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just suggest "second to fifth digits inclusive" < 1607355259 735912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on whether you count your first toe as a thumb < 1607355273 23852 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean, not each of them by itself, but all at once. This even has a crumb of merit to go with mittens < 1607355287 102707 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: dunno then < 1607355301 776705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp tutu < 1607355306 793010 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm cat : kitten = mat : mitten?.. < 1607355307 146604 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1607355341 777154 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lol :D < 1607355458 681410 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lirpa < 1607355460 151973 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :lirpa? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607355593 630318 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? numpy < 1607355594 800716 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :numpy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607356003 251273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hem < 1607356004 352527 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607356273 560677 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1607360128 958807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79287&oldid=44808 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+2) 10/* Language overview */ > 1607362870 24701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sadako14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79288&oldid=79286 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+56) 10Added command < 1607363278 892602 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607363975 812755 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607367095 577370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07File talk:PureFolders HelloWorld.png14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79289 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+228) 10/* Column parent matching */ new section < 1607367232 229009 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think it's more like bat : bitten < 1607367332 808279 :LKoen_!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net NICK :LKoen < 1607367943 712079 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607368002 736541 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1607368338 880470 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1607368503 713029 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607369337 771274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote that on my input line, but then decided it didn't make enough sense to press enter. < 1607369428 338312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid notebook and Windows, there's a power button, please don't wake up from sleep on a keypress < 1607369596 985973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solved https://adventofcode.com/2020/day/7 rather slowly because I put at least two stupid bugs in my code and had to debug them, but at least I had a reasonable idea about what the twist would be and so wrote the code in a way that would support that < 1607369706 485212 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607369833 344018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort of sure that at least the numbers would be important eventually. < 1607369917 981889 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, the numerals, which were unused in the first part, gave it away < 1607370234 683639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's animals like rat : written < 1607370286 14993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuing my "if it's got graphs in it, convert it to dot" thing I was already doing last year, I've rendered the two examples as https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/day07-ex1.png and https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/day07-ex2.png with the colors denoting shiny gold ancestors/descendants. < 1607370338 63914 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh < 1607370345 632668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately GraphViz just can't really cope with the 594-node actual puzzle input in any meaningful fashion: https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/day07-small.png < 1607370374 71959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried a few of the other layout engines as well, but it really wasn't any better. < 1607370803 203504 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it become nicer if you put shorter labels into the nodes instead of the full color name? "mirrored chartreuse" is so long. admittedly there are short ones like "dim red" < 1607371011 323989 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they're using all combinations of 18*38 color names, the 18 prefixes go like "dim, dark, rdab, dull, ..., dotted, striped, vibrant, mirrored" with mostly 4 and 5 letters, the suffixes like "red, tan, aqua, blue, ..., fuchsia, magenta, lavender, turquoise, chartreuse" with mostly 4 and 5 and 6 long names < 1607371053 820029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little bit better, but not really that much. The non-resized image went from 32242x3003 pixels to 25557x3003 when I used consecutive integers from 0 as the names. < 1607371082 550971 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1607371238 876196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My input has 18 prefixes as well, but only 33 color names. < 1607371319 203445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not 100% on what exactly the color "clear tomato" looks like. < 1607371435 425475 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 33, not 38 < 1607371578 727582 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably looks like diluated tomato juice < 1607372319 710568 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znmtzhbkdrsegkvy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607372463 258953 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: Quitte > 1607374748 62378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Braincopter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79290&oldid=79278 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+62) 10unsigned > 1607374970 749510 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pistons & Pistons14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79291&oldid=67996 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10/* Implementations */ cls > 1607374989 722106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pistons & Pistons14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79292&oldid=79291 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-20) 10unpipe > 1607375161 767230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain:D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79293&oldid=65351 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10Unimplemented & Uncomputable > 1607375284 291359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sadako14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79294&oldid=79288 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+118) 10/* Example program: Truth Machine */ cats > 1607375410 366946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79295&oldid=79232 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* General languages */ fix link > 1607375496 192575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vague14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79296&oldid=59900 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+92) 10chates > 1607375510 740494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jemhunter 5* 10New user account > 1607375532 748288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spice14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79297&oldid=79162 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ tac > 1607375584 110711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LINR14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79298&oldid=51977 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ cat > 1607375617 143872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79299&oldid=79223 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* S */ [[Sadako]] > 1607375852 504627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Categorial14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79300&oldid=79215 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* Language overview */ This likely is language > 1607375871 227751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sally14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79301&oldid=19305 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10cat > 1607375924 159151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sally14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79302&oldid=79301 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+74) 10The Languages.md file says 2000 ;;; cats > 1607376017 137753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79303&oldid=79274 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28380) 10Undo revision 79274 by [[Special:Contributions/0xFF|0xFF]] ([[User talk:0xFF|talk]]) (not a chance) < 1607377801 440298 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607378420 329076 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607378513 341843 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607378567 529262 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607378567 693034 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607378656 977073 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1607378666 35315 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607380206 349214 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607380230 314387 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1607380237 984475 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607381118 587925 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :nfd < 1607381397 718525 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 > 1607382836 123532 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Random JavaScript snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79304&oldid=78602 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-470) 10Quizzes will be moved to a new article > 1607383385 228354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/JavaScript Quiz14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79305 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+777) 10Move snippets to a new article > 1607383408 7675 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79306&oldid=79093 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+53) 10/* Misc */ > 1607383599 701725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/JavaScript Quiz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79307&oldid=79305 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10 < 1607383994 627270 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric > 1607384133 313859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/JavaScript Quiz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79308&oldid=79307 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+166) 10 < 1607386292 277488 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607386953 35784 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1607387000 328474 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607388425 462579 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607388641 247470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071.114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79309&oldid=73305 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* Implementations */ list,cat < 1607390424 809027 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-034-186.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607390914 918471 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607390938 640768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pushmi-pullyu < 1607390940 554039 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushmi-pullyu? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607390947 840211 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? deque < 1607390949 98330 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :deque? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607391121 797100 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.218.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607391920 810105 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.218.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607391965 82186 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.216.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607393405 184047 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607394138 234932 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607395394 371152 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607395450 483429 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607395477 895265 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607395827 139071 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1607395930 454502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sadako14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79310&oldid=79294 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-6) 10 < 1607396087 920643 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukmbetlbastlhsyk JOIN :#esoteric < 1607398526 419348 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607398554 738843 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1607399049 827119 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607399742 688874 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607400347 30195 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-198.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607400787 109143 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607401412 993733 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-198.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607402221 249782 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607403373 261099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so many islands... 509 now, still missing a few dozen I think < 1607403402 126579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lotta islands. < 1607403568 215474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're getting harder to reach too < 1607403592 924246 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's still a couple of mechanical surprises < 1607404050 878393 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607404084 795884 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This AoC was pretty fun (somehow, I managed to get #14 on the first leaderboard) < 1607404199 214005 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing interpreters for BF-like languages (i.e., one character per instruction + simple memory model) was definitely good practice < 1607404232 947534 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607406442 35968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what shall we call the new virtual machine... HGC for Handheld Game Controller? < 1607406483 765981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( It should have a 720x348 monochrome display. ) < 1607406813 812814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that this AoC is quite well-ordered so far. It definitely has a basis. < 1607406942 492025 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607407614 767427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was looking for a particular island I was playing around on yesterday. I didn't find it :-/ < 1607407649 600302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I got sidetracked a bit because I found other ideas while looking) < 1607409088 348448 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607409163 895360 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607411045 2277 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukmbetlbastlhsyk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607414031 376970 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607414068 58698 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1607414080 772844 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1607414084 189552 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607414156 781374 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607414162 412403 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607415176 770942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607415567 990749 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607415567 990800 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1607415578 532084 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607415579 918679 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607416604 254143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grWp economics < 1607416606 165512 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :economics:Economics is just applied numerology. < 1607416650 873734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Economics is the science of winning at zero-sum games. It used to be applied numerology. < 1607416653 354460 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'economic': Economics is the science of winning at zero-sum games. It used to be applied numerology. < 1607417094 7776 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607417163 990651 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607417489 793672 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607417567 495759 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607417688 486092 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a term in Magic: the Gathering that can refer to both players and objects, in general? They have some things in common, such as counters, possibility to be damaged (although only some objects can be damaged), possibility to be a target, and possibility for permanents to be attached to it. > 1607418166 161686 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79311 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+1163) 10Created page with "'''Firstreplace''' is an accidental<sup>1</sup> [[esoteric programming language]] made by [[User:Abyxlrz|Abyxlrz]]. (1) It is accidental because i was trying to make a interp..." > 1607418252 588511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79312&oldid=79311 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+82) 10 < 1607418268 184883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, they changed the phrasing. < 1607418297 609922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Shock used to say "target creature or player", and now it says "to any target". < 1607418342 794121 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1607418394 308249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79313&oldid=79299 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+19) 10 < 1607418446 81358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: '115.4. Some spells and abilities that refer to damage require “any target,” “another target,” “two targets,” or similar rather than “target [something].” These targets may be creatures, players, or planeswalkers. Other game objects, such as noncreature artifacts or spells, can’t be chosen.' < 1607418476 937807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the change allows planeswalkers to be targeted as well. < 1607418488 115724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure planeswalkers could already be targeted. < 1607418502 465764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or maybe not. < 1607418506 116183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say "creature or player" then planeswalkers are excluded. < 1607418512 350851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you targeted the player and redirected the damage or something? < 1607418518 870920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was definitely a way to damage planeswalkers. > 1607418541 127405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Abyxlrz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79314&oldid=78053 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+17) 10 < 1607418550 39056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes: https://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2018/03/goodbye-planeswalker-redirection-rule-mtg-dominaria/ > 1607418555 867706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Abyxlrz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79315&oldid=79314 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+4) 10 < 1607418572 647060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Planeswalker redirection rule was implemented in Lorwyn with the introduction of the first Planeswalker cards. The rule states that you cannot directly target a Planeswalker with damage dealing spells—instead, you must target a player and then redirect the damage from that player to a Planeswalker they control." < 1607418602 167792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow, that sounds awkware. < 1607418613 587577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It meant you could decide at resolution time instead of targeting time. < 1607418624 608059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607418624 768378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"awkware" is an akward spelling of "awkward". < 1607418637 752979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also that the spell wouldn't fizzle if the planeswalker was gone at resolution time, I suppose. < 1607418641 285542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah apparently they got rid of that < 1607418649 515691 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607418658 31546 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.216.160 QUIT :Changing host < 1607418658 31599 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607418664 64685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is a functional change, maybe slightly for the worse, but surely better for the game overall. < 1607418672 568722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard they even deprecated regenerate! < 1607418710 98595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one day you'll be able to play Standard and not have to know a zillion obscure rules to play correctly. < 1607418827 988800 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607419012 571750 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 > 1607419393 195885 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79316&oldid=79312 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+39) 10 > 1607420429 981592 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79317&oldid=79316 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+93) 10 > 1607420548 946553 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79318&oldid=79317 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+42) 10 > 1607422060 911776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79319&oldid=79318 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+35) 10 < 1607422912 30372 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1607422992 610697 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79320&oldid=74940 5* 03Bog'riquet De FerChef 5* (+205) 10/* Input\Output format */ new section > 1607423910 14466 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotter14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79321 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+1342) 10Created page with "'''Dotter''' is a stack-based esoteric language created by me in 2020. ==Commands== * ..............[ascii]: pushes ascii as a character to the end of the stack...." > 1607423952 950374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79322&oldid=79313 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (+13) 10 < 1607424241 500849 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607426005 505723 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607426255 805106 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607426683 174358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean something that there's a gap between 8 and 9 on the calendar page? I don't think that was there before. < 1607426721 379223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might just mean that the pretty picture just didn't fit well to 25 lines, I guess. < 1607427007 207168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it *could* mean there's going to be 3 somehow distinct stages (3*8 = 24), plus a special 25th day thing as usual. < 1607427209 534139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, first instance of panic for my solutions this year. Last year had a bunch: http://ix.io/2H8M (theoretically contains a really minor spoiler about what the task of part 2 will be, in case you haven't done it yet) < 1607428476 717790 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607428692 394088 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607428755 979770 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607429957 655363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe we're speeding up as things go downhill < 1607430349 113830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also did another GraphViz graph for today's example, can't help myself: https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/day08-ex.png (again, one aspect of that could be considered a bit spoilery for what part 2's question is) < 1607431373 913593 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :downhill -> south < 1607432050 486077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcorann_: we don't know where that island is yet < 1607432100 960950 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1607432131 729890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see what you mean. My bad < 1607432143 890090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a hill, never considered that the blue would be water. < 1607432182 250277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. South it is, then. < 1607432275 871792 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607432293 446161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that deprives me of the reason why we would speed up. < 1607432876 304985 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607433703 15997 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be because we got on a bigger plane < 1607433926 345764 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:fdc1:f4e4:9d05:8891 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607434221 898992 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I skipped the fluff today. "interrupted by the kid sitting next to you" ... I hate it when they do that. < 1607434269 557108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcorann_: I wondered about that on day 6. "As your flight approaches the regional airport where you'll switch to a much larger plane --". The previous plane already had 1024 seats, and this one's "much larger"... < 1607434272 365410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't recall it ever happened to me, actually.) < 1607434315 510819 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607434329 325257 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fun < 1607434353 110036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do we know what species we are? I imagine a lot of elves would fit on an A380. < 1607434396 617587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The passports had heights, I don't remember what my input's distribution was. < 1607434416 240602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right. < 1607434424 662895 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heights were basically normal human heights < 1607434442 267396 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, we know the bounds for validity which were human-sized. < 1607434453 167183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there goes that theory. < 1607434463 270310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weights too, unfortunately. < 1607434474 968093 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for that theory. < 1607434510 298510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the titles have so far been Alliterative Assortments too. < 1607434518 919870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the new plane is just a large, flat surface. < 1607434519 686754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Couldn't come up with a synonym for "pair" starting with a.) < 1607434570 217902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the titles too. < 1607434603 278056 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate... alternation... not quite, but it feels like there should be something < 1607434639 431248 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, alliterative alternation does not sound completely wrong to me < 1607434754 57036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only mostly wrong) < 1607434910 14333 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( rote repetition ) < 1607436074 877190 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607436739 353336 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607436958 124463 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607437241 740145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" […] The previous plane already had 1024 seats" => no, day 5 twist spec is quite clear that it has somewhat less than 1024 seats, but it indeed turns out to have about 900, so that's only a technical difference < 1607437285 560178 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The passports had heights, I don't remember what my input's distribution was." => doesn't matter we have seen much less than the 900 passports, so there could be 300 humans and 600 kobolds on the plane < 1607437316 567452 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kobolds may be gated to a different security control area, with kobold-sized x-ray machine and kobold-height conveyor belt for the luggage < 1607437392 82176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think the phrase you want is "Added Alliterative Appeal", see TVTROPES WARNING https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AddedAlliterativeAppeal < 1607437436 623882 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it? I guess it's not, that's for a lot of alliteration in the text, it maybe be just https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlliterativeTitle < 1607437445 778978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That's cute, but we wanted a pair. < 1607437467 937484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using something that *means* "pair" < 1607437480 86947 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that seems to be out of reach, in English at least. < 1607437500 613698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alliterative Appeal" is good though. < 1607437582 173197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Consonance Csomething? < 1607437597 714654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couple? < 1607437673 455940 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd really want an adjective there, which would be "Consonant Couple" which makes it look like a noun. Oops. < 1607437817 648725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding contest consonance, or AOC alliteration < 1607437898 119683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I got no reaction to https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-12-08.html#lM *sniff* < 1607437943 738934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some of you wanted an intcode < 1607437951 292012 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have the first part of one < 1607437968 406723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1607437999 95249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next up: memory and IO. < 1607438003 942347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope. < 1607438037 503829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just a stack < 1607438056 379455 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607438075 182958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PDA should be powerful enough for AoC. And it even looks similar to a HGC. < 1607438090 105817 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, an HGC < 1607438166 528749 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Abuse of Alliteration < 1607438178 625691 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just Added Alliteration < 1607438216 407752 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a PDA, sure. a stack plus just one numeric register? no. < 1607438231 582752 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unless you get extra registers or access the stack deep enough. < 1607438313 802867 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, I should solve the task first < 1607438386 224452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stack gives you PDA power... a bit more if the register is an unbounded integer. In fact if you have division with remainder you can maybe even simulate a stack in the register, completing a tape and making it TC? Depends on the details, I guess. < 1607438440 615850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also imagine there's a conditional jump around... otherwise things will be tricky. < 1607438469 417182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so enough to implement any desired amount of finite control) < 1607438691 899360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this TC idea hinges on being able to inspect the top stack element without modifying the accumulator, which can either be achieved by adding an additional register, or by adding an swapping operation for the two two stack elements < 1607438732 345866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by specialized instructions that work on the top stack element instead of the accumulator... but that really feels like an extra register. < 1607440537 961346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I may be wrong about needing a swap, it's really a question of the order of operands of `mod`. Consider `PUSH; PUSH; IMM 2; RMOD` which extracts the bottom bit of the accumulator if `RMOD` divides the top of the stack by the accumulator. So we can branch based on that value and then `POP` the accumulator. < 1607440577 351149 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607440620 102765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`RDIV` can pop a bit off the accumulator-based stack. And `PUSH; ADD; ADD` can shift a bit from the stack into the accumulator. < 1607440620 828804 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDIV`? No such file or directory < 1607440634 841397 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1607440648 149859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another thing to be wary of.) < 1607440862 123824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607441183 51353 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1607441248 442842 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607442883 378500 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607442916 388847 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607442970 114067 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607443427 278465 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607444577 936284 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I admit I totally mispredicted what the thist would be for https://adventofcode.com/2020/day/8 , and my program suffered from that; it also suffered from a stupid unrelated bug though < 1607444714 155031 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so what do we call the interpreted language featured in this task? the task doesn't give a name like "Intcode" this time. do we just call it "Handheld halting" from the title of the task until they give a better name? < 1607444758 503757 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just "Handheld" because "halting" is the task, not the language? < 1607445511 966170 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need a language? < 1607445520 537234 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, a name < 1607445621 205747 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607445652 125368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it will, after a few more tasks, yes < 1607445665 325848 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it perhaps doesn't need a short name yet, we could wait until the next task < 1607445694 900570 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently it looks like a crappy assembler < 1607445747 662845 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's possible that they'll throw this language away and a next task will instead be running programs in an unrelated language < 1607445780 684928 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose aocembly < 1607447924 368513 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxxaquzfmdqedvhd JOIN :#esoteric < 1607448158 406167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling they'd've provided a hint if this was to become a running theme this year. < 1607448383 179437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They did in day 2 part 2, 2019.) < 1607448493 845535 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607448654 100556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also wondering whether everyone just did the obvious O(n^2) part 2, that's basically just n times part 1, because it's definitely not asymptotically optimal, but on the other hand it's perfectly reasonable. < 1607449689 365796 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607449878 827856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this points out some cards actually get worse in a way that can matter, due to not having their text changed: https://www.reddit.com/r/PonzaMTG/comments/83502o/psa_new_planeswalker_redirection_rule_nerfs_some/ < 1607449892 756013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I did the obvious quadratic, because there are only 617 instructions in the ROM < 1607449898 264493 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607449920 516797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I, though I'm tempted to add an alternative solution as well. < 1607449999 947078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, treating black edges as weight 0 and red edges as weight 1, finding the shortest path in the https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/day08-ex.png representation should give the solution in O(n log n) time. < 1607450034 330510 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did skip rerunning the program for the 338 acc instrs though < 1607450058 503435 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1607450261 310352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know there's a fast solution, yes. < 1607450845 501981 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607450867 121520 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607451166 80469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some regular languages that are very easy to express as NFAs but incredibly complicated as regular expressions. What's that about? < 1607451474 319068 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1607451716 391158 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, we talked about them recently. search for http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2011-04-25.1871.html in the logs to find it. fizzie: I can't load the https://esolangs.org/logs , is it just me? 504 Gateway Time-out < 1607451815 934402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that too. < 1607451816 893381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can load the wiki < 1607451834 570472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good to know < 1607451860 861732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something in the websocket support of the (C++) embedded web server serving the logs; either I'm using it wrong, or it has a bug. < 1607451885 817392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every now and then it goes into this mode where it just stops responding, and some gdb'ing suggested it's related to the stalker mode websocket stuff. < 1607451905 479998 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1607451950 443412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just restart it, that usually fixes it. < 1607451966 853268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, should be back. < 1607452010 794652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is, it never breaks when I wouldn't have anything better to do than debug it. (Also, I'd need to build a binary with symbols, because "something with websockets" was the closest I could get to by attaching gdb to the binary without them.) < 1607452310 474260 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad < 1607452872 937024 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :played Heaven’s Vault a bit, looks interesting < 1607452904 572267 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I played Snake Pass and my fingers are now broken (at least in my imagination) < 1607453861 852545 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.123.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607454129 262288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: hi, what’s new with that hyper-Malbolge of yours? < 1607454485 878089 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607454597 711181 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1607454613 145966 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1607454785 49081 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607454850 530113 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607456117 731956 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snake Pass is awesome < 1607456309 13944 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607456669 98084 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: did you use keyboard or a controller? < 1607456674 538087 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607456776 33246 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally liked how even in the first level there are coins to grab and I completely missed where they even are. I’ll probably try to find them the next time. On the second level, I grabbed one or two coins, I think, but missed one blobby thing though < 1607456795 332341 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the sighs Noodle makes are the best < 1607456912 625757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be missing blobby things. < 1607456953 123497 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wonder if there is any help from a bought gecko in Heaven’s Vault. Would it come with Aliya and find something in some wall cracks or is it just a decoration now < 1607456997 936492 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we traded two historical artifacts for it, that would be unfair < 1607457022 119305 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xbox < 1607457104 934882 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: ah, I’m on a keyboard (and mouse, it uses the left button to go and the right to grip), it’s probably harder though I hope I’ll train my hands after the several next playings < 1607457278 67440 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:fdc1:f4e4:9d05:8891 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607457307 327083 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need an analog controller < 1607457321 78543 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it makes it better < 1607459215 388040 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607460068 752610 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607460529 529499 :LKoen!~LKoen@228.162.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607460967 422834 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.123.100 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607461549 737774 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: yeah it should be more appropriate for that kind of a game < 1607461608 444074 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks cute but too hard < 1607464094 999864 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1607464253 426760 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607464422 447044 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607464523 327632 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607464773 317589 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1607465967 180990 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607466245 337777 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the planeswalker redirection rule so I think is good they changed that. However, I don't like the wording "any target" because it uses different phrasing than other targets and makes it not sufficiently general. In my own custom cards I am using "target damageable"; such things as "enchant damageable" are also allowed, and for the purpose of text changing effects (such as overload), "any target" used in that way is treated < 1607466359 807345 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not quite an answer to my original question, though. < 1607466393 349985 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607466413 431220 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607466432 722871 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1607466722 876371 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607467414 183469 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1607467632 405616 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607469286 149954 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607469576 375357 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607470298 352212 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607470308 940085 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am having some trouble with internet recently < 1607472477 798982 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1607473688 912155 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607474236 877669 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607474570 471168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79323&oldid=79321 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Hello world! program */ le chat > 1607474644 269825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79324&oldid=77819 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ cats < 1607475113 218973 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607475119 342767 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric > 1607475218 506707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79325&oldid=79319 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+131) 10/* Interpreter */ Les chats apparatent! > 1607475820 612582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LITHP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79326&oldid=35424 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10stub,,cats,, < 1607476128 49411 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1607476173 914622 :Aiso!60f50143@pool-96-245-1-67.phlapa.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1607477134 200008 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607478329 392291 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.220.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607478385 76151 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1607479669 258283 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79327&oldid=79320 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+339) 10/* Input\Output format */ > 1607482419 46062 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Unl256 5* 10New user account < 1607483756 355202 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607483985 965056 :ATMunn!ATMunn@gateway/shell/hellomouse/x-irdjkwiofjzpsxuc QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1607488921 45661 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607489714 395787 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607489921 976832 :shinh!~i@ae048044.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1607490748 866800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finvara14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79328&oldid=79256 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+0) 10 < 1607491631 420595 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qhqedgrbpffsrjqw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607491762 459519 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-garzbmbtgoeyorwb JOIN :#esoteric < 1607493061 357956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, addition [of] chains < 1607493149 689793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more islands trickling in, 512. and another friend that I had not even seen yet < 1607493636 710807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1607493645 10002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta get back to it. < 1607494078 597804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's getting hard though... some solutions span more than one island, and I never know whether there's a potential raft from another distant island involved in making progress. < 1607494152 535844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obviously there's a selection process going on... survival of the fittest puzzles. < 1607494262 920291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not expecting this game to have that many islands. < 1607494274 964131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "that many puzzles" but many islands aren't really puzzles. < 1607494284 20884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least if they are it's in a very sophisticated way I haven't figured out. < 1607494308 271461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there are quite a few islands that basically serve as bridges < 1607494333 261099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or where the puzzle is in reaching the island, not in getting off it < 1607494380 14110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, in some way, the whole world is just one big puzzle. < 1607494415 131496 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though that view makes it hard to explain the precise logic of the 'reset' action. < 1607494418 424855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1607494973 925979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That action is already hard to explain exactly. < 1607494985 943900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I mean, the behavior is trickier than it seems at first. < 1607495037 532335 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607495136 536029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it really is < 1607495168 977803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably this is an important mechanic in later puzzles. < 1607495169 810663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even locally I'm not 100% sure how it determines the position you end up after a reset. < 1607495184 915648 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/up/up in/ < 1607495187 745350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at < 1607495242 502349 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that gave me an idea... < 1607495267 955489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but I won't say what it is. < 1607495283 739797 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it is something that I have not tried out < 1607496009 363322 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1607496014 436493 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607496017 701644 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe NICK :Lymia < 1607498682 13055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607498781 175735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607498827 893545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607498852 662788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1607500501 367357 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607501388 842368 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607502132 424117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607502636 795713 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607507785 424705 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1607508141 371806 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607508248 285255 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607508438 773802 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607508463 312878 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607509996 693898 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some ideas sleep quite furiously < 1607510811 317347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I don't think the gap in the calendar meant anything, it was just a visual thing. Judging from the placement of the 10. < 1607512084 61544 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607513507 511893 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607516874 86352 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607516883 592546 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1607516889 606213 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607517810 730652 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so... this won't be a straightforward journey then? < 1607517987 238453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of have a feeling fiddling with an "open data port" in a plane you're currently flying in may not be the best of ideas. Especially if it involves paperclips and breaking some encryption. (Can you even call that "open"?) < 1607518131 893598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the other years' calendars have been going in reverse order, with day 1 at the bottom and day 25 at the top. Guess 2020 is a little different. < 1607518372 469271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/time.two.html today was the fastest day 9 by far. < 1607518595 399010 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1607518979 211468 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I skipped all flavor text today. < 1607519027 851900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for once, I missed out... paper clips! > 1607519963 225180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79329&oldid=74131 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-250) 10/* Install */ wikitext < 1607520020 373819 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607520272 321581 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607520410 693147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79330&oldid=79329 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+305) 10/* External Resources */ Add links, give meaningful titles < 1607520579 969781 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1607520666 364274 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric > 1607520900 135728 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minsky Swap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79331&oldid=76222 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10/* Syntax and Semantics */ m < 1607521413 399865 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607521513 57222 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1607521537 712053 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607522001 941655 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/hydra would be better if OOTS hadn't used the exact same joke better < 1607522089 328632 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:arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607533250 725675 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607536280 376019 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:10f2:d600:9d95:9c21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607536560 374055 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607538182 761952 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:10f2:d600:9d95:9c21 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607538541 519614 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:10f2:d600:9d95:9c21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607539423 884664 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607539509 362760 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607540234 452972 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607540734 953108 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607540943 60379 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1607542304 888335 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607544315 349238 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607549146 383526 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1607549369 195100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stalactite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79332&oldid=19965 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+88) 10cats < 1607549653 728212 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1607549731 565082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subskin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79333&oldid=58678 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* Examples */ links > 1607549914 11432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MISC Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79334&oldid=30476 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10back > 1607550200 221261 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79335&oldid=64791 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+34) 10practically oisc < 1607550862 807395 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607550962 390487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually the task in https://adventofcode.com/2020/day/1 is similar to the task in https://adventofcode.com/2020/day/9 , so at this point I weakly conjecture that there's something of a period of 8 days in the tasks, with empty lines between every 8 lines to enforce that. < 1607551007 581843 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1607551043 72641 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these two tasks are also a bit similar to that optimization task about approximating a large number with a product of small prime factors, though of course these are much easier < 1607551061 397799 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably just imagining things though < 1607551088 80445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: A period of 8 is what I speculated about too, but the placement of 10 kind of ruins that. < 1607551097 729932 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a break between 9 and 10, too < 1607551106 799385 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1607551118 181454 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah... there's a taller gap between 9 and 10. that breaks that idea < 1607551128 589085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1607551193 439862 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think the graphics on https://adventofcode.com/2020 is supposed to show your travel itinery on a globe. there are gaps because we're now on a long distance airplane. and you can see tracks drawn for both the short airplane ride and the long one. < 1607551599 523706 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:10f2:d600:9d95:9c21 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607552951 483479 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607553746 387344 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607553846 899480 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607554053 801602 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607554696 527900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I submitted a wrong answer to https://adventofcode.com/2015/day/8 twist and it says "your answer is too high". does this mean I can binary search the answer even for very large problems? < 1607554777 42604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tells me that probably no, because you get increasingly larger timeouts < 1607554805 838530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't know. I don't remember it saying that. < 1607554857 207207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be it gives those hints if it's off by an order of magnitude, too. < 1607554999 237585 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is for 2015, maybe 2020 doesn't do that < 1607556720 316232 :posseidoun!~sami@96.30.204.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607556952 197920 :posseidoun!~sami@96.30.204.77.rev.sfr.net PART :#esoteric < 1607557498 307841 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607560529 53999 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607561002 533628 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand C < 1607561016 880601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitting my head on LINK : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _DllMainCRTStartup while trying to use MS Detours < 1607561031 789782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no I fixed that < 1607561043 781166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't get /I to work properly so I have this as an #include < 1607561050 542298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include "vcpkg\\installed\\x64-windows\\include\\detours\\detours.h" < 1607561247 997881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....how am I magically linking to opengl32.lib? < 1607561254 419908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't install it into this copy of vcpkg < 1607561255 745472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1607564736 500712 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.217.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607564878 405809 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.220.39 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607565236 374610 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607567199 893396 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607567701 542351 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607567783 512090 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607567927 703819 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607568133 902596 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607569518 498583 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607570365 486854 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607575997 355192 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607576081 559210 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607576953 884909 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607577920 482750 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607578117 533782 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-enlxunxhvotsoyvh QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607578178 896817 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-anembnlwrgsujsgf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607578278 360899 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lckblyjpdyzydjwo JOIN :#esoteric < 1607578539 848918 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ntofnzsnzxymfmks JOIN :#esoteric < 1607578758 229806 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I implemented one feature in Free Hero Mesh to list the menu for examining objects (although it is not yet complete), reveals another thing wrong in the conversion (or the loader, but probably the conversion) that sometimes it duplicates objects when it isn't supposed to do, although some of the duplicated objects actually are in the original, some of them aren't. < 1607578923 511806 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1607578928 395146 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607579157 698691 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently (for the past few days), I have had some trouble with internet. Sometimes it will stop after a while (the time it takes for that to happen varies), but restarting the router helps (although often it will work after a while even if the router is not restarted, but it tends to take longer in that case). Do you know what is the problems? < 1607579587 510992 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607580666 581405 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yefagzlpvmkouack QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607580682 415955 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ywtzdmwgkfgphlzr QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1607580702 751049 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lqqmqvcnwcqvjpmg JOIN :#esoteric < 1607580713 301096 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kxpfwqundyeotyix JOIN :#esoteric < 1607581381 974339 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607583247 529168 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607583296 160156 :Arcorann__!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607583499 530553 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607583741 312876 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607584232 308035 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607585154 383679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607585736 847286 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607585856 911850 :head_case!~james@c-174-56-74-175.hsd1.nm.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607585913 569373 :head_case!~james@c-174-56-74-175.hsd1.nm.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1607589556 382489 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607591953 699220 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:34b5:a422:139a:2d77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607592324 271440 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607593325 50176 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.217.151 QUIT :Changing host < 1607593325 50233 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607593856 192187 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607595483 514031 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607595515 71986 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607596544 917326 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxxaquzfmdqedvhd PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNS works? < 1607596574 318481 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxxaquzfmdqedvhd PRIVMSG #esoteric :what problems? bandwith? no connection? < 1607596581 868667 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxxaquzfmdqedvhd PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1607596613 497366 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxxaquzfmdqedvhd PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have problems as well. but its HSDPA, or so i believed < 1607596687 504930 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607596826 50697 :Arcorann__!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1607598683 66898 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607600035 810946 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:34b5:a422:139a:2d77 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607602765 504781 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607602975 424913 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607604780 374534 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1607606869 214626 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simplified Emmental14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79336&oldid=56009 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+235) 10interpreter & cats > 1607607477 384371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Apple3.14/implementation.ijs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79337&oldid=49025 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10m > 1607607503 237385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Apple3.1414]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79338&oldid=66155 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+44) 10/* Implementation */ stac > 1607608286 678255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ArnoldC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79339&oldid=76885 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10refimpl > 1607611098 311922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tubs 5* 10New user account > 1607611433 531172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79340&oldid=79277 5* 03Tubs 5* (+138) 10 > 1607611456 749410 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79341&oldid=72850 5* 03Tubs 5* (+104) 10/* External resources */ Barker's website is temporarily unavailable > 1607611507 150438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Iota14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79342&oldid=63800 5* 03Tubs 5* (+104) 10/* External resources */ Barker's website is temporarily unavailable > 1607611599 626072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79343&oldid=63798 5* 03Tubs 5* (+112) 10/* External resources */ Barker's webpage is temporarily unavailable < 1607611747 54230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607612033 232606 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607612056 447329 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys, it's good to see there is a chat on this topic < 1607612164 488870 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone tell me if there is a language as similar as possible to befunge-93/98 but with the feature of reading and/or popping the value deep inside a stack, not just top 1-2 values? < 1607612226 665807 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nakilon < 1607612231 59955 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) > 1607612238 929871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tubs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79344 5* 03Tubs 5* (+218) 10in case you didn't think i was a human > 1607612263 54014 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tubs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79345&oldid=79344 5* 03Tubs 5* (+4) 10 < 1607612325 443868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: Funge-98 famously does have that feature, as a side effect of the y instruction. < 1607612347 738455 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607612355 846198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and via the stack stack manipulations too, of course. < 1607612513 999651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, via using N{ first to move the top N values to a new stack, then the u instruction to read/write from the stack stack under the top of the stack stack, and then N} to restore the original top N elements. < 1607612642 493318 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 is complex ( I can't finish my interpreneter implementation < 1607612656 227366 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*interpreter < 1607612842 110093 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Nakilon/befunge98 < 1607613015 132498 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I want a language with most of the 93 (but without self-modification), just few operators from 98 and easier stack addressing; also with removing the 'g' and 'p' it would limit program space to pi/2 sector and there should be long arbitrary-precision arithmetic or using Rational type by default < 1607615386 390304 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607616396 366039 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607616883 513725 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607619265 286533 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:34b5:a422:139a:2d77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607624525 388462 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bombchu < 1607624527 173364 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bombchu? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607625244 338407 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607627291 980751 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed doesn't seem periodic by 8 days < 1607627332 472062 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607627962 483849 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607628147 66814 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607628920 204797 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607628992 353645 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607629126 710125 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607629151 802201 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1607634120 546645 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79346&oldid=75938 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax & Grammar */ Shouldn't this be 'B'? > 1607634224 940683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79347&oldid=79346 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+68) 10/* 99 Bottles of Beer */ github > 1607634264 909600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79348&oldid=79347 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10/* External resources */ cat > 1607634332 208921 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keta14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79349&oldid=75937 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Chain Rules */ m > 1607634465 731684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keta14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79350&oldid=79349 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10This is what GitHub says it stands for > 1607634635 780309 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StaPLe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79351&oldid=41493 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+327) 10/* Example Programs */ Add the actual codes < 1607634916 367032 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1607635002 614150 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pizza14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79352&oldid=56231 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10m > 1607635072 110165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PythonshellDebugwindow/Vandevelo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79353&oldid=73973 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+205) 10please delete < 1607636969 779136 :LKoen!~LKoen@243.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607637173 165452 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:34b5:a422:139a:2d77 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607640457 338673 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607640716 359442 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607641602 195855 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1607641707 952646 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607641916 502365 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607642194 771452 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607645067 590250 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607645529 520384 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1607645703 862493 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607646176 721685 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1607647216 489851 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bub14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79354&oldid=30822 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10Here be stubs > 1607647631 223465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alphabet letters14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79355&oldid=78854 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10t < 1607651236 481215 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607651250 564062 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.219.165 JOIN :#esoteric > 1607652316 987968 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79356&oldid=79269 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+207) 10Added Zeno > 1607652347 822639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79357&oldid=79270 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+11) 10 > 1607656588 312269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cerberus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79358 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+1248) 10new language :) > 1607656632 363356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79359&oldid=79356 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+98) 10Added Cerberus > 1607656665 885846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79360&oldid=79357 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+30) 10 < 1607657737 30249 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607661565 28639 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607661704 975955 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607661869 392573 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607662131 997090 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607662694 151199 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607663170 155238 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607663186 255183 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607664375 781234 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all. What ongoing zoom.us CS-confs are interesting? With a bias to esoteric PLs. < 1607664649 769471 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607664855 480251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sat-smt.in/ started about half an hour ago. < 1607664967 913212 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1607665014 615064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not really a conference. < 1607665032 128145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very arguably related to #esoterica. < 1607665033 772604 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what zoom confs do you attend? Wondering < 1607665033 793141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you attending? < 1607665069 544994 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: waiting for Armin Biere :) < 1607665080 32358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1607665086 787581 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do, this is why I'm asking, maybe there is something interesting as well as this < 1607665116 808896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching the introductory talk but so far it's all basics. < 1607665117 48884 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual uni, so to say < 1607665124 177421 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, basics < 1607665173 844270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that I want to stay awake until 4 watching these talks. < 1607665200 523222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all seems a bit silly. If you're just watching a video being streamed, it's a worse experience than watching a recording, which you could watch at 2x speed or pause. < 1607665226 591095 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's all will be uploaded here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm6e0ZSQt-C6iEhBV6TaEdA < 1607665256 210586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I expect. < 1607665261 708732 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you can ask a question in zoom < 1607665263 969882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the benefit is asking questions in real time or something. < 1607665265 55852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1607665285 990732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe that'd be a better format. I guess some conferences do it that way. < 1607665333 439715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read kissat code to have good questions to ask. < 1607665392 561849 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern SAT solvers are not an easy piece of cake < 1607665409 268693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read some kissat code before. < 1607665423 28835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote my own CDCL solver. < 1607665435 86461 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if so, you can probably dive into kissat... < 1607665445 44760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe not in the next hour. < 1607665524 82848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this channel is just full of people who are into satisfiability? < 1607665544 802937 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno. I like this channel because like both CS and some eso-PLs < 1607665550 261166 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :satisfied with satisfiability. < 1607665553 968253 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less formal than other CS channels < 1607665599 403186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the neato CS channels? < 1607665617 150311 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: #cs, #algorithms, whatever on reddit < 1607665635 68779 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like full of too-seriuous professors < 1607670318 713418 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.219.165 QUIT :Changing host < 1607670318 713475 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607671025 301042 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:b9c4:3e69:bcc2:a0fd JOIN :#esoteric > 1607672361 963857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cerberus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79361&oldid=79358 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-4) 10 < 1607673555 147375 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Armin Biere starts his presentation on zoom < 1607673560 257781 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting < 1607673587 260848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it. < 1607673608 127026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what's your native language, if you have one? < 1607673629 834937 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1607674046 985645 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( aren't they all artificial ) < 1607674125 680786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only the pattern of saying "X Ys" instead of "X is Ying" that I'm curious about. < 1607674150 368687 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Russian is. Yes, my English is still horrible... < 1607674172 642118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not complaining. < 1607674228 528988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, kissat is just really good, huh. < 1607674267 147382 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure, Armin is one of the leading experts < 1607674333 985945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too bad it doesn't support incremental solving. < 1607674344 571125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it will in the future, I think it might've said. < 1607674382 51941 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUS is also not supported, AFAIR. < 1607674408 299408 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that scientists' goal is to write solvers for competitions, not for real-world projects :( < 1607674425 148958 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all they lack something < 1607674498 330603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they source the competition problems from "industrial" sources, which supposedly have real-life relevance? < 1607674510 581997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sourcing from sources, brilliant < 1607674522 324616 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're right indeed < 1607674537 185712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint-e < 1607674540 629238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you attending the session? < 1607674652 205377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no sense whether SAT/SMT solvers have actual relevance in industry. < 1607674688 499619 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607674739 473757 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they do. If you dig into SAT/SMT benchmarks, there are indeed loads of files from real projects... < 1607674881 667977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: Hmm, is MUS important? < 1607674928 619750 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno... < 1607674938 983784 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but it has some use < 1607674945 30690 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607675052 855188 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607675964 703437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this take it to NEXPTIME? < 1607675992 402037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mus < 1607675993 681016 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :mus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607676135 680364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it stands for "Minimally Unsatisfiable Subformulas". < 1607676154 860504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a refinement of unsatisfiable cores. < 1607676240 305445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're directly connected to minimal counterexamples, e.g. for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadwiger%E2%80%93Nelson_problem < 1607676365 527851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the citations there is: 'Heule, Marijn J.H. (2018), Computing Small Unit-Distance Graphs with Chromatic Number 5'... who is another big name in SAT solving. < 1607676420 221820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that effort was all about taking a small-ish counterexample and minimizing it through SAT solving and extraction of unsatisfiable cores, iteratively. < 1607676454 642262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's without reading the paper, just from what I saw in the corresponding Polymath forum threads.) < 1607676541 749171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also in practice you may benefit a lot from narrowing down contradictions (which may be programming errors) to a smaller set of constraints. < 1607676613 50796 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607677591 49584 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1607679628 770095 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607680603 782267 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607690137 511697 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1607692066 706828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bet14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79362&oldid=76786 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10m > 1607692207 880663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zeno14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79363&oldid=58231 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10/* See Also */ cats < 1607692680 338400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think the difference here is video stream vs in person. the same is basically true for all the first-year basic theoretical classes that CS students got. as there were too many students, the professors didn't want to stop for any particular student's questions, so the classes were effectively non-interactive. we mathematicians fared much better even in first year with the small group: < 1607692686 382451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then there were 50 of us as first year together, about 25 active as third year, < 1607692751 684730 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1607692754 521233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about 25 for the later specialized MsC classes which were attended by half of the students in weighted average (that is, there are more than twice as many classes as students take, but you generally take the more popular ones) but also taught in a period of two years instead of one year like the basic classes. < 1607692767 994560 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25381325 < 1607692878 366162 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lower record was a logic class about model theory where only two of us plus a professor were in the classroom every week. a few years later the mathematicians grew to about twice that size, which is qualitatively worse because then in the first year median professors started to have a difficulty remembering each student individually. but even then it's much better than the CS students with their 600 < 1607692884 571369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :first years and the electric engineers with their 300 first years. > 1607692999 475727 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79364&oldid=75904 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10/* Instruction list */ m > 1607693016 175890 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79365&oldid=79364 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* Official implementation */ Deadlink < 1607693029 388128 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do admit that remote communication still makes everything worse, I'm glad I didn't have to go to university during something like this, > 1607693046 449928 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cerberus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79366&oldid=79361 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+154) 10catsh < 1607693107 29641 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the way I have to work from home now sucks exactly because the communications at this job sucks, there was a lot of information that I could only get in person as corridor rumors. < 1607693182 953729 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I guess this channel is just full of people who are into satisfiability?" => yes, somehow. at least if three or four regulars count as "full of" < 1607693216 983737 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607693251 262122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ It's only the pattern of saying "X Ys" instead of "X is Ying" that I'm curious about.” interesting, I don't remember you ever complained about how I use English tenses, despite that I often use them at random < 1607693268 636580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't really understand how they're supposed to work < 1607693284 532842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell us something random < 1607693285 300183 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the great merit of doing this is to be given to structural measures for fleets that needed to be registered on a register on a friday morning, with mr linkohr' s report is very supportive indeed and this is the normalisation process! if we want to use my three minutes' speaking time in this extremely important work of promoting equality of rights and the destruction took place just yesterday in luxembourg constitute a st < 1607693711 29484 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1607694374 978998 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is a fire and why does it – how do you say – burn? < 1607694375 346931 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, the sa�fi report was on the eu side because we believe that the committee responsible was able to have olaf's report so that there can only be obtained once the objectives of the common position also takes into consideration the fact that, even from these references, that the intergovernmental conference is quite intolerable, particularly for women. < 1607694484 407873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Open up your eyes, see the world from where I stand: me among the mighty, you caged at my command. < 1607694484 696050 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: given that we have not been matched by action. the european council launched two action plans. i should like to illustrate this alleged change that leon brittan went to present a communication on development policy, to quote the text itself, putting it into franchising and other things. < 1607694758 937087 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607694795 367687 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607696347 801418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607696920 959679 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607697265 246274 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fire < 1607697267 414063 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire, fire, everywhere, nor any drop to drink. < 1607697769 491125 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607698158 49296 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607698900 948391 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> In Funge-98 stringmode, spaces are treated "SGML-style"; that is, when any contiguous series of spaces is processed, it only takes one tick and pushes one space onto the stack. < 1607698903 495841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:23: error: :1:23: error: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1607698911 261043 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can I read what the "SGML" is? < 1607699050 329640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGML < 1607699247 861739 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything about collapsing space character there ( < 1607699579 799116 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: wait, why would befunge do that? < 1607699630 941788 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in string mode, which is for embedding literals efficienctly < 1607699657 152176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for normal code it's ok to do that < 1607699668 582388 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : /shrug < 1607701209 535385 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607701647 799746 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've put my ideas together here: https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel -- not decided yet is if there should be still one stack or maybe two; gonna figure that out in practice < 1607701866 352034 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607702422 851115 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607703040 184709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's to make wrapping in stringmode well-defined. < 1607703064 767248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Befunge-93, you just got as many spaces as there were, because the playfield was a 80x25 bounded rectangle. < 1607703139 996050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what I've always assumed was the primary reason. < 1607703166 483164 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1607703197 471683 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might make some sense < 1607703516 358931 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607704839 851272 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually a 2d language (with only 2d code, no 2d data or self-modifying code, sort of like Piet) that I sort of might want to make, but I couldn't figure out how it should work yet < 1607705420 184583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, when have most of the Queen's Guards in London been replaced by robots? < 1607705420 538968 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: madam president, i voted for this report, but also of our work to provide an incentive for member states to eliminate the current legal position and removes the option of being sentenced in countries that have also been discovered in addition to guaranteeing a high standard. moreover, we should like to remind you that the european union < 1607705896 875975 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:b9c4:3e69:bcc2:a0fd QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607706083 465732 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607706806 880889 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607707065 172818 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607707085 407892 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607707671 105858 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1607707774 403187 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607707985 27556 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607708662 651630 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like it could be solved by a modification of my https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=1008395 game of life ran by unpack function, but that would be more difficult than a straightforward solution, so I won't try. < 1607708743 335444 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607709307 90885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminded me, updated https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/time.two.html -- looks like today was in line with previous years, unlike the previous two days. Maybe the audience is less familiar with cellular automatatatons than they are with other things. < 1607709621 101041 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, at least from these days, it looks like they aren't trying to give interesting algorithmic problems, instead they give you coding programs you don't have to think about how to solve because you can just implement them as described. the APL and other array programmer guys probably like it. < 1607709912 9140 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about float numbers in Befunge? < 1607709931 313014 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they not supported? < 1607710224 109598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fingerprint for that. < 1607710238 603555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or two, actually: FPSP and FPDP. < 1607710275 371949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rcfunge98.com/rcsfingers.html#FPSP & http://rcfunge98.com/rcsfingers.html#FPDP -- they're identical except for single vs. double precision. < 1607710347 148243 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1607710380 444143 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I had no clue about fingerprints < 1607710393 901491 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607710402 620760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Which fingerprints do you use? < 1607710402 752902 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr celli, with regard to its future neighbours. this is what everyone wants. < 1607710443 179519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is STRN, FILE, FING, SOCK, REXP, TOYS and SUBR, though some only very marginally. < 1607710449 933122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fungot is written in Funge-98.) < 1607710450 380275 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, poor compliance with environmental legislation. the commission and others, on the issue of taxation referred to by lord bethell and the repression of the mountain people of vietnam. these extremely secret documents give us a way out. at the last minute and trying to guide us through the media, lays the foundations for a stable euro. i believe that the definition of a safe roll-over into the new objective 2 < 1607711849 370713 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? IRC bot in funge?! < 1607711880 329357 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607711941 347927 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607712177 235579 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607712216 432868 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1607712291 48205 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yes, fungot is written in befunge. < 1607712291 179735 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, all of which are controlled by multinationals and that politics is a job for the large countries. this takes the form of development. i sincerely hope that this clarifies the issue. < 1607712330 656156 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1607712366 53385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: face it, your majesty. odds are, your curious offspring will befriend an surface dweller or mortal or outsider from the nation you consider your enemy, no matter how much you forbid them. you'd better prepare for it, rather than delude yourself that your authority can avoid it. < 1607712366 654834 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president-in-office, i do personally feel that the distribution of seats in the european commission supports parliament' s secretary-general and the deputy secretary-general of the council says, with dry eyes, on fisheries, but concerns above all the council, commissioner, i represent the italian pensioners' party membership card in order to reduce the democratic deficit, but constitution stripping of this kind must < 1607712434 46071 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1607713012 294847 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:b9c4:3e69:bcc2:a0fd JOIN :#esoteric < 1607713087 322974 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one took a lot of time to solve. the point to take away for me is this: either stick to nice medium-long identifiers like I use in programs that I want others to see, or work on figuring out how to use short identifiers in a way that I don't end up confusing myself, using the same name for multiple things, using different names for the same thing, referring to the wrong variable, etc. < 1607713126 597644 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to write programs with short identifiers, but that was ages ago, and I apparently forgot the trick, so for programs that use a lot of different variables I mess up < 1607713857 726816 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add comments if that can help to explain what a variable is for < 1607713991 187712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that only helps in long programs. short variable names are for short programs that I write once then forget about them, like for AoC and all the short programs I write for one-off tasks < 1607714005 662818 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem here is that I confuse the variables even as I write those short programs < 1607714027 102556 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember them half an hour after I write the code < 1607714043 789198 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't predict them or understand them, unlike the medium-long ones that I'm used to < 1607714064 179346 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's just lack of practice, perhaps I should just not use a short variable name scheme at all < 1607714090 279697 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607716161 977996 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607717611 758044 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxxaquzfmdqedvhd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607718611 392437 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have asked about rule 305.9 on rec.games.trading-cards.misc.rules, and have gotten a few replies, but they only say that rule 305.9 is meant to clarify that a land cannot be cast even if it has another type. However, I have failed to find any rule that specifically says that a land cannot be cast if some effect says to cast that card. < 1607719769 952982 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, this is about the double-faced land things again. I'll have to check the rules if they patched the oversight with them. < 1607719795 486703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the next rules version comes out, or is it already out? < 1607720122 616077 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607720203 17991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm not complaining! > 1607720368 7820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79367&oldid=50976 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+111) 10links +++ cats > 1607720481 956533 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79368&oldid=79367 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 102007 > 1607720489 203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nors14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79369&oldid=79368 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10dammit < 1607720523 713580 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I they are, I will download it. However, they do write about them before the new rules are published, usually > 1607720561 417019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Implieses14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79370&oldid=50995 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+123) 10Append docile ocelots to the page < 1607720772 62011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1607720772 130630 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1607720774 64192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: ^ < 1607720985 528844 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1607721054 370383 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpyzavkfrwprddvf JOIN :#esoteric < 1607721337 411676 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is author here? < 1607721991 444514 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a pull request https://github.com/fis/fungot/pull/1 < 1607721991 830057 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, one thing must be clear: we cannot blow the case out of all proportion to the fishing opportunities and the fight for windmills is one where a german would have faced prosecution. so the combined efforts of the member states, of which i have just heard the commissioner speak. a fine, resolute speech after the speech by the commissioner. < 1607722720 81828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clicked the button. < 1607722801 263350 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's you ..D < 1607722803 111083 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1607723320 133037 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I use such rules: 1) one char long variable name should only be used when it's standard, like i, j, k for indexes, n for "number of somethings", etc. 2) if I append "s" to it (like is, js, ks, ns) it means an array of them 3) the "_" variable name for one time usage < 1607723341 603161 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607723366 733062 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indices < 1607723474 602812 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also could be "t" instead of "_" < 1607723727 906448 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607723778 97859 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607723826 899967 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :very haskelly < 1607723841 129012 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the haskellers use single letter names for everything because it makes them feel like they're doing math < 1607723942 192668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go-ers use a lot of single-letter names too, though I'm not sure why. It's a cultural thing. < 1607724699 20690 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie I feel like now that source code is highlighted < 1607724731 680938 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no very correct though, since it's hard to see that p and g between " are text, not instructions < 1607724857 606131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, well, it's a hard problem. It doesn't seem to have highlighted the main source file, either. < 1607724933 910395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, fungot does not use very much self-modifying code. If memory serves, I successfully ran it on an AOT compiler once. < 1607724934 197439 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, you mentioned the hague convention of 1996 which, thankfully, was taken up with the arrogance of the world. the death penalty and the affirmation of the european institutions to put the extension of the mandate of the auto/ oil package which includes a visit to central america at the wto. < 1607725030 119941 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one "g" can easily be a part of horizontal string and an instruction from some vertical direction < 1607725052 997962 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for "v" < 1607725075 536755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess that was a caching issue, fungot.b98 is highlighted now that I reloaded it. < 1607725076 42822 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i too had not intended the interpretation which has been followed here since the santini report. or if we have agreed at community level in the commission, mrs de palacio, of the type involved, specialized agriculture using a labour force which is in danger and that it will also provide a guarantee of industrial feasibility, respecting the financial interests of the consumer in this modern age demands. in < 1607725098 285472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't understand a-f as numeric either, guess it's optimized for '93. < 1607725142 976678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least it looks festive, which is appropriate for the season. < 1607726107 402947 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Chris Pressey in this channel? < 1607726161 635291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, but not since September this year. < 1607726211 187179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/September/October/ < 1607726217 355162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's wrong with my log-rsync?) < 1607726424 857681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, the remote command it uses had changed from `rsync --server --sender -vlogDtpre.iLsfxC` to `rsync --server --sender -vlogDtpre.iLsfxCIvu` and I had made the key very picky in what can be done with it.) < 1607726557 851241 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:b9c4:3e69:bcc2:a0fd QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607728856 493114 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607729135 989462 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607729230 178912 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607729516 516632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yes, the one time usage variables starting with underscore are easy, because I only have to write them once so it doesn't really matter what I name them. but already with an s suffix there's a problem: does s stand for sequence/array or string? how do I call the other? if I use v for arrays, then how do I abbreviate value? I just keep getting myself confused. < 1607729540 799874 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably just stick to longer names, it doesn't hurt that much to use them < 1607729569 481184 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I mean string I add "str" < 1607729618 155714 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, v for key and value when iterating over associating arrays, so I'll never call an array v < 1607729631 444764 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*associative < 1607729637 859954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I try to use one-two-three letter variable names, there are just too many words that abbreviate to the common letters like s n d whatever, and oddly v too < 1607729703 477522 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I mean array sometimes "array" is exactly how I name that var ) < 1607729715 252841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't find that too strange. befunge doesn't force you to use self-modifying code for anything, it's not like you have to write indexes or anything into character cells, in fact it doesn't even provide good tools to write numbers to code, at most you can write booleans easily. not using self-modifying code is just the easiest way to write befunge. < 1607729773 752680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, true. But it's sort of a signature move for the language. < 1607729777 926231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes I run into conflicts with the short keywords: in particular, I know I must not call an input file handle `if`, because that's a keyword < 1607729804 33352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The admin ^reload and ^code commands of course do self-modify, but that's kind of special.) < 1607729850 529434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write numbers to code very easily in Funge-98, you just prepend the number with ' < 1607729878 258707 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, there is such a primitive? let me see < 1607729950 769062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called the "one-shot stringmode". < 1607729973 83872 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1607729984 693885 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the cells single bytes? < 1607729989 659523 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Ruby 1.8 you could write ?a and that was a number corresponding to ascii a code < 1607729999 649336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're arbitrary integers, usually 32-bit signed ones. < 1607730002 569723 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it changed so it's "a" < 1607730005 555291 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1607730010 585629 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're the same type as on the stack < 1607730012 995233 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 char long string) < 1607730030 369836 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that sounds like you can write self-modifying code (unless of course you want multi-threaded or otherwise reentrant code) < 1607730042 210199 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be hard to optimize of course < 1607730124 84993 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need something like qemu that tracks which cells are compiled and what it has to recompile at every store, but qemu can do that efficiently because programs optimized for normal cpus already know that they shouldn't write and execute from the same page too much, because it can be very slow < 1607730149 203117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it at a granularity smaller than pages would be rather inefficient < 1607730155 136706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gForth has that character literal syntax too. < 1607730158 717347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forth 'a . < 1607730159 598652 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 < 1607730176 816011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's sort of uncommon though. < 1607730177 474152 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and so do some lisps, though I think the prefix is two characters there < 1607730202 24587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme has #\x. < 1607730237 200903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In line with various other things beginning with #, like #t and #f for the booleans.) < 1607730310 729514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes. I would actually like to see a convention where the octotrophe serves as eitehr a comment marker if there's a space before it, or a rare token suffix if there's no space before it, but it looks like the only language that does that is K the apl-like < 1607730338 14598 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work because it's already a convention that there's always whitespace (or the beginning of the file) before a comment marker < 1607730374 79153 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this would effectively save one of the precious 33 ascii punctuation < 1607730644 941822 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607731411 786985 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpyzavkfrwprddvf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1607733516 559058 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mineso14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79371&oldid=72565 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-11) 10eso style > 1607733617 199322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mineso14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79372&oldid=79371 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* External resources */ deadlink, style > 1607733714 797301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Template talk:Cn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79373&oldid=62043 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+163) 10/* Why does the template link to xkcd's comic Wikipedian Protester? */ reply < 1607734002 315506 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607734991 391396 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607737618 399691 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.220.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607737654 605457 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1607737788 747483 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79374&oldid=79340 5* 03Unl256 5* (+208) 10/* Introductions */ > 1607738116 120776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tiangou14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79375 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+1084) 10Created page with "'''Tiangou''' is a derivative and wimpmode of [[Cerberus]]. It only has 1 line, which is a list of commands separated by spaces. All the commands correspond to one in Cerberus..." > 1607738229 615894 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79376&oldid=79360 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+28) 10 > 1607738327 234420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79377&oldid=79359 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+34) 10Added Tiangou < 1607738390 279099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh. VS Code's git integration certainly isn't philosophically aligned with good commit messages: it's a single-line textbox with no support for the recommendations about line widths and such. < 1607738441 234362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/85721 "Most people don't really want a full editor taking away workbench space. They just want to type a message and move on." < 1607740250 176876 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607743001 199552 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607743041 972984 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607746328 661234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Scientificworld 5* 10New user account < 1607747986 771203 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sleepy? :) < 1607748011 451366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: I stayed up until 5 last night. < 1607748022 105425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I should actually be attending. < 1607748036 828540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might make more sense to watch videos. < 1607748077 638813 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this is sensible < 1607748602 885135 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607748855 64805 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like videos at all. What is the sense to watch how someone download something, installs, etc. < 1607748918 557923 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely, video is the right format for cook or guitar lessons < 1607748943 609249 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not for CS or math or programming < 1607749051 195452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually even for cooking and guitar lessons it seems more like a supplementary thing... you get to see how it's done, but there's still a lot of information that can be condensed into text and a few selected images. < 1607749171 485911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I absolutely agree with the sentiment, of course. Videos are hard to bookmark and hard to skim for relevant information. < 1607750247 493171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and they're hard to annotate, too. < 1607750315 723540 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math videos may be useful too, but I agree with int-e on for what extent < 1607750415 567009 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, showing low-dimensional geometric or topologic things and visualizations of many more concepts and something like that < 1607750416 545113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can treat them as lectures. < 1607750448 633224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning, something that makes it easier to hold your attention compared to reading a bunch of notes. < 1607750460 727714 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1607750518 397796 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but notes usually don’t have animation so in several cases you need to know how to animate in your head, and some don’t seem to be lucky to pick that automatically < 1607750520 765222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even take notes along the way so you have a reference. This is all theory though... < 1607750548 643491 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notes are essential too, I think the same < 1607750605 635590 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I note how I forget books for which I didn’t practice on paper for some extent < 1607750606 831944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how's your hiding spot? < 1607750619 88148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more hiding since last time. < 1607750642 152017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more island hopping either I guess < 1607750684 652561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the AoC solvers are slowing down. < 1607750733 285858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 11 minutes for the 100th to reach the second part < 1607750801 887566 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is AoC? < 1607750806 996802 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advent of Code. < 1607750895 549228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axiom of Choice. < 1607750931 518238 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :Area of Concern. < 1607750972 148612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy of Confusion < 1607750993 893176 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appearance of Competence < 1607751020 802115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absence of Confidence < 1607751038 527674 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/AOC < 1607751245 494151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1607751247 961765 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09goldbuntucoin 02barandcoin 06zetalitzcoin 13waicoin 04cakenemonkecoin 07maticoin 08ble-2dcoin 09xsamcoin 02burrocoin 06raczcoin 13sepaitcoin 04pingcoin 07sqrcoin 08stecoin 09eyecoin 02spaceapiflemargfallercoin 06ozocoin 13unlcoin 04wilson-texcoin 07zadicoin < 1607751308 678945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eyecoin" will attract Apple's ire for sure. < 1607751340 938789 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: http://adventofrealizingicantread.com < 1607751380 140735 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just < 1607751392 693559 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :who owns that lmao. < 1607751415 784583 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm Creation Date: 2019-12-12T15:19:41Z < 1607751452 821413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why does it forward to day 8 < 1607751472 58231 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell did it come from. < 1607751484 262022 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know, it was posted in another channel a while back < 1607751498 70213 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##adventofcode, actually < 1607751508 675868 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :baahahahahahaha. < 1607751512 685172 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I produced so many bugs yesterday it was embarrassing < 1607751522 844188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :today went way more smoothly < 1607751560 100276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday I also had a nice list based solution for part 1, which really didn't generalize nicely for part 2) < 1607751571 654784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which really annoyed me quite a bit) < 1607751580 381162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registered play.contact the other day. < 1607751591 154213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1607751601 325266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To play Contact. < 1607751619 587378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current implementation is a very rough proof of concept I wrote years ago. < 1607751633 278247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no one plays it anymore. < 1607751669 102838 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_(video_game) <-- not this then I suppose < 1607751688 697741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's http://mrwright.name/stuff/contact.txt < 1607751701 999866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with a program instead of IRC. < 1607751727 981328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write up rules for my variant. < 1607751820 964596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who this human is. < 1607751850 265914 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"destabilize"... OW. < 1607754050 256342 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607754233 936636 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, now I managed to get level 45 of the SANDY1 puzzle set to be initialized correctly. (Level 21 doesn't work; it results in a "type mismatch" error, due to a mistake in the level data itself. I am unlikely to fix this; the level designer should fix this. This is because many of the Switches have a Misc1 value of $Hero, and it is supposed to be a number.) < 1607754657 237509 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1607756672 474464 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607757707 288186 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:b5f6:8925:788f:eca3 JOIN :#esoteric > 1607758372 823790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79378&oldid=79374 5* 03Scientificworld 5* (+160) 10 > 1607758395 226077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Md5sha1fuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79379 5* 03Scientificworld 5* (+921) 10Created page with "'''Md5sha1fuck''' is an esolang invented by [[User:Scientificworld]]. ==Theory== Connect the md5 value and the sha1 value of the string together, detect all the characters o..." > 1607758548 163515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79380&oldid=79322 5* 03Scientificworld 5* (+18) 10/* M */ < 1607758863 508443 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:b5f6:8925:788f:eca3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607758874 894672 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Scientificworld14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79381 5* 03Scientificworld 5* (+28) 10Meow~~ < 1607758942 389626 :user24!~user24@ip5f5ab0e6.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1607759007 33754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Scientificworld14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79382 5* 03Scientificworld 5* (+35) 10Meow~~ < 1607759877 360025 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Hero Mesh have both Busy and UserSignal, even though they do the same thing? < 1607761335 498225 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607762686 959067 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1607762689 517205 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello* < 1607763162 367493 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607763906 677946 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello > 1607765410 718320 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCAB computer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79383&oldid=68721 5* 03Mscibett 5* (-3) 10 > 1607765514 230727 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TOGA computer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79384&oldid=68884 5* 03Mscibett 5* (-4) 10 < 1607768079 403099 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607769151 978277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607769592 385090 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607770251 977931 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607772816 384968 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607774074 137626 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607775314 902700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like turtle graphics, but there isn't really anything particularly *puzzling* about it, is there? < 1607775356 900339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how you perceive today's AoC? Hmm. < 1607775366 911504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I was annoyed by the nomenclature in part 2. < 1607775378 994246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't think waypoints should move? < 1607775385 217915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, be relative. < 1607775389 860026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it should be called a waypoint then. < 1607775411 325930 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes. < 1607775639 400355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried out VS Code's Go extension for the first time for today's puzzle, and it's insisting that the `day12` package I added doesn't exist in the squiggly-line diagnostics of the file where all the days get imported, but from the terminal it works just fine, so something's off there. < 1607775691 357116 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-admckvgoiasskjmp JOIN :#esoteric < 1607775802 802442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bound to be some common but unnecessary convention. < 1607775850 802244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting the silly thing fixed it, which I kind of expected. < 1607775863 570445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think some sort of a cache, but couldn't find any explicit action to refresh it. < 1607775976 807580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also still can't get over that git commit message thing. But the parts that do work just somehow feel more modern than Emacsing it (plus I just couldn't bear figuring out how to set up gopls and Emacs lsp-mode). < 1607775984 826179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs code annoys me, it's too popular for something build on quicksand, I mean, Electron < 1607775993 68812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*built < 1607776035 809176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem to be very popular, yes. < 1607776042 969541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have to think of 100% CPU usage for a blinking cursor, though I understand they fixed that fairly quickly. < 1607776099 985906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, another positive: the diff view in the source control integration is nicer than Magit's. < 1607776209 424211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm still doing commit from the integrated terminal, which starts up Emacs for editing the commit message, which feels fairly silly. Saw on the Internet that people did have settings where you could get a new VS Code tab as the commit message editor, but I'd only want that when inside VS Code, and I don't think I can easily get that. < 1607776266 802026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe with some alias specific to the shell in that terminal, which passes the settings with -c. < 1607777459 982991 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607777649 586871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs inside a shell inside another IDE... sounds fun < 1607777713 924251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use vim for commit messages, somehow. Mostly because I don't expect to use any advanced editing capabilities and vim still starts up more quickly. < 1607777750 822623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe by now hardware is fast enough that it doesn't really matter. 10 years ago it still mattered. < 1607777788 285532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm a creature of habits. < 1607777899 730983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use Vim for that too, for a long time. < 1607777929 164874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then as part of setting up emacsclient and $EDITOR and whatnot, that accidentally got changed too, and I just let it be. > 1607778939 874898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tiangou14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79385&oldid=79375 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+153) 10cats, hdr, link > 1607779060 889601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cerberus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79386&oldid=79366 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Example Program: Truth-machine */ shtack < 1607779621 806159 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Quit: gone too far > 1607780891 448243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Md5sha1fuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79387&oldid=79379 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+88) 10cats < 1607780928 824816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but notes usually don’t have animation" => these days we have HTML (and all those computer algebra software worksheet software too), you can embed anything, even animation if it's helpful, or hyperlinks to other resources. such a useful invention. < 1607780950 19932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why "animate in hour head" is useful < 1607781015 426902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aoc < 1607781019 324282 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advent of Code (AoC) is a series of programming puzzles that some regulars enjoy, found at "https://adventofcode.com/2020/about". < 1607781025 480758 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: ^ < 1607781372 607401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HGC has not returned... I'm beginning to think that there just isn't a thematic virtual machine this time. < 1607781557 438284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're almost halfway through, I think that's getting quite likely. < 1607781575 68982 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qzndpvdvnozrajjg QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607781888 177354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there were complaints about tasks reusing code from previous days instead of starting from scratch. < 1607781905 575265 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
  ACTION is speculating.
  < 1607781910 755774 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
  ACTION likes speculating.
  < 1607781931 274392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^^this may interest you, I've found something I like. < 1607782266 940397 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-uyltobwfoexpwewh JOIN :#esoteric < 1607782567 860429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a great VS Code + gopls behavior: I get "could not import" errors for (new-ish) packages inside the current module, but if I either open or close an editor window that has the `go.mod` file open, the problems go away. Keeping it open doesn't help: I have to either open or close an editor tab with the file. < 1607782572 905642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much magic, that's what I say. < 1607783378 633327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"could not import io (no package for import io)" this is getting ridiculous. < 1607783433 890075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know whether to blame gopls (it's in alpha) or VS Code (you called it quicksand). < 1607784546 50333 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607785704 75995 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming up with docs and tests is hard _-- at least while I'm just starting < 1607785729 923989 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spent the whole day on one instruction with a single test < 1607785740 241037 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex test though < 1607785759 907531 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that discovered I had a bug < 1607786284 294695 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607787085 495267 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607787329 540500 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607787365 49185 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607787373 990107 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1607787967 504724 :user24!~user24@ip5f5ab0e6.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1607788419 715623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79388&oldid=79380 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10[[Cerberus]], [[Tiangou]] < 1607789309 704105 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607791875 900537 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607795252 289590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79389&oldid=75641 5* 03Lebster 5* (+783) 10added hex column < 1607795319 335866 :LKoen!~LKoen@214.175.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1607795453 610054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rogex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79390&oldid=70976 5* 03Lebster 5* (-4) 10lowercase (doh!) < 1607796039 464948 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607799167 93436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607799416 464761 :catern!~catern@104.131.201.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607799496 541614 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607799545 710717 :catern!~catern@104.131.201.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607799550 173042 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx JOIN :#esoteric > 1607799730 89746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Th14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79391&oldid=32447 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10/* Addition */ cates < 1607799883 815618 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1607800073 596333 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607800878 390476 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-admckvgoiasskjmp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607803134 313923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I thought you liked many things, and only this was an exception. < 1607803559 450047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awful < 1607804515 349139 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607811174 898648 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1607811625 58709 :NeverBorn!~NeverBorn@93-41-17-168.ip79.fastwebnet.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607813145 50441 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607813151 892676 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607813684 129172 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607815708 54439 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607816978 140661 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1607819849 812955 :nfd!~nfd9001@2600:380:445c:2b0:c0:f0a1:32bc:f09 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607819865 498248 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607820167 826333 :nfd!~nfd9001@2600:380:445c:2b0:c0:f0a1:32bc:f09 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607820562 917083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did days 1-9 of 2018 to get a little bit more context. Honestly they're not that dissimilar from this year, so I'm thinking 2019 was just very #esoteric-audience-appropriate year. < 1607821259 998525 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could not continue 2019 in Befunge https://github.com/Nakilon/adventofcode-befunge < 1607821279 717813 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the next task demanded dances with 'g' and 'p' < 1607821334 853100 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I finally started making my language and I'll continue solving 2019 in it < 1607821377 997371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we discussed how all those people who do the "every day a new language" challenge might've been a bit miffed about the whole Intcode thing. < 1607822699 100629 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607823005 36598 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607823763 288772 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice! https://adventofcode.com/2020 so the ship is now moving east and slightly north so day 13 will be above day 12 on the world map < 1607823954 983335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, could be we're filling all the gaps. < 1607824133 173940 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.220.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607824156 477042 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.220.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1607824159 846898 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I managed to implement day 12 original the right way, so it was trival to add the twist for once < 1607824210 71135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As another random observation, there's been no non-numeric answers so far. < 1607824275 603308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wonder what the error message is for non-numeric wrong answers. Presumably not higher/lower, at least. < 1607825994 403031 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AoC answer is always numeric < 1607826005 994135 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost always < 1607826039 343151 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 2018 day 7 is alphabetical < 1607826103 834591 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there've been a couple of times where we had to read out ASCII-art text < 1607826159 983840 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607826309 933479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:UltimateProGrammer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79392&oldid=72591 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (-183) 10Update to not be dumb < 1607826350 593538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Days 8 and 11 of 2019, and days 2, 7 and 10 of the ten first days of 2018 involved non-numeric answers. < 1607826402 320974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd count ascii-art numbers as numeric, but ascii-art text is clearly alphabetical. < 1607827102 540617 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607835579 148044 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607836484 818240 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rknaotxrsycgghdu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607836713 279929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ꙮ < 1607836716 111255 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ꙮ is the official Unicode character of #esoteric. < 1607836719 902357 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607836725 788644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? limerick < 1607836727 314647 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :A limerick is a verse with two left metrical feet and three right metrical feet. < 1607836748 6033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' ꙮ < 1607836748 922477 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1607836842 30859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' 1130 < 1607836842 939324 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1130) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ê™®s, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1607836850 898887 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh, what happened there < 1607836862 299152 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl quotes < 1607836863 360891 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1607836868 960944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl ../quotes < 1607836870 10411 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/quotes < 1607837142 225450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd ..; hg revert -r d3ee6de4b493 quotes < 1607837143 782188 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: could not lock working directory of /hackenv: Read-only file system < 1607837165 778276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? revert < 1607837167 123173 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See . It is a builtin command so cannot be called from other commands. < 1607837178 388139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's too coarse < 1607837258 108566 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, somebody used `fetch off channel in an attempt to (apparently) restore some old quote they missed and remove some others, but also completely destroyed the utf-8 in there < 1607837309 395199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' 1248 < 1607837310 322195 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1247) I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. < 1607837330 378691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' 1240 < 1607837331 232201 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1239) hppavilion1: there's not much point in `addquoting an `addquote unless the person who added it was somehow significant, or there's interesting context because you can tell it was added from the fact that it's there < 1607837380 54714 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607837447 309739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch ../quotes https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/raw-file/d3ee6de4b493/quotes < 1607837448 619497 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020-12-13 05:30:47 URL:https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/raw-file/d3ee6de4b493/quotes [161313/161313] -> "/hackenv/quotes" [1] < 1607837522 607536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' ꙮ < 1607837524 514133 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1125) A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric." < 1607837533 117766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' 1240 < 1607837534 44430 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1240) I was watching a pair of otters, and somehow the name "Harry P. Otter" hasn't left my brain since. < 1607837582 750301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the offending commit is https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/rev/369cb8f8fd16 is this what using the web editor looks like? < 1607837793 633846 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it went unnoticed for over 2 months... < 1607837867 515253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :user3456: See above... I don't know what your intentions were in that change, but the result was really messed up. < 1607837892 264064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? remember < 1607837893 504584 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607837909 89854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? addquote < 1607837910 370896 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607837945 433801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No entry, hmm. < 1607838006 168531 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn addquote//The 'addquote' command is for adding quotes. Please use it on channel, we like knowing what's in there. < 1607838013 645971 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'addquote': The 'addquote' command is for adding quotes. Please use it on channel, we like knowing what's in there. < 1607838054 577148 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quotes < 1607838056 67010 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quotes are just elements of the quantum dilapidated bogosphere. See qdb. < 1607838150 114096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... I still wonder how to revert a file to an old revision... the `fetch thing works but it's breaking my heart. < 1607840177 692943 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607840278 73186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there a command for it? < 1607840307 687943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, probably. But it wasn't `revert < 1607840310 834754 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1607840310 931787 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral. < 1607840332 866810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not mentined here either < 1607840376 626406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`scold HackEso < 1607840377 406662 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD! BAD HACKESO! < 1607840402 557502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls ../bin | wc -l < 1607840406 628445 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :478 < 1607840586 316523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls .. < 1607840587 420131 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom < 1607840752 802440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, there was `undo, but that's not the same. < 1607840784 128307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was `hg cat -r`. < 1607840799 855099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag | grep 'hg cat' < 1607840804 426432 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :12018:2019-11-14 `` hg cat -r 9075 bin/random-card > bin/random-card \ 11974:2019-10-21 `` hg cat -r 11938 share/whatis > share/whatis \ 11762:2019-03-27 ` hg cat -r 8425 wisdom/\\` >wisdom/\\` \ 11560:2018-05-15 ` hg cat -r 11537 share/UnicodeData.txt >share/UnicodeData.txt \ 11504:2018-04-13 ` hg cat -r 4569 share/8ballreplies > share/ballreplies \ 11495:2018-04-12 ` hg ca < 1607840915 999795 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1607840926 240013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that makes sense. thanks < 1607840991 72104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's kind of lucky that hg revert doesn't work, because otherwise there'd now be a backup file to clean up < 1607841026 90458 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` doag | grep raw-file < 1607841030 259715 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :12357:2020-12-13 fetch ../quotes https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/raw-file/d3ee6de4b493/quotes \ 10317:2017-02-18 ` sed -e \'s,index.cgi/file,index.cgi/raw-file,\' < bin/url > bin/raw-url # this one didn\'t even support tmp/ \ 4249:2013-12-30 learn fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg \ 2671:2013-04-14 gives you a url, then in your browser: (1) Press Sync (unless making a new file) (2) Make your changes (3) Press Save (4) Paste the command line at the top into the channel. < 1607854685 802892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think hg revert is to revert uncommitted changes, and you revert an earlier committed change with ... dunno. apparently not svn merge, not git revert, so no idea how < 1607855046 771804 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The main problem is that the talks themselves are recorded, and I don't want my voice in them." => can you ask typed questions even during? < 1607855309 487501 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Just think of prefixes that mean "small", add "sat" at the end, and see if you find something." => suffixes too, like there's probably a "sat'lite" < 1607856040 899310 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607856519 256200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607856860 346268 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rknaotxrsycgghdu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607860799 707163 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i,i translation lookaside suffer" lol < 1607861119 511790 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though I think "translation lookaside buffer" is such a stupid name, it should just be called "page table cache" or "paging cache". though admittedly Knuth calls it the "translation cache".) < 1607861201 585320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tinkerbell's Lip Service < 1607867563 978528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Right, there was something along those lines wrong with the web thing, but it's using a framework(tm), and I think I couldn't figure out why exactly it was behaving like that. It's Python/Flask, and the part that's my code *looks* like it should be just UTF-8 everywhere, but of course HTTP has its own thing about encoding negotiation, and none of that seemed to be exposed. < 1607867620 633958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just put a big bold warning up saying "please don't use this interface for files containing non-ASCII text". Or reimplement it. < 1607867799 772801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "maintains a separate copy, needs manual sync with the repo" model is I think also a little hard to (a) explain (b) grok. Maybe there's something better. < 1607869646 138209 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1607870480 280696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EsoKit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79393&oldid=46251 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10/* Licensing */ cat < 1607870994 613638 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lurjlljcvwhzxvzg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1607871005 509479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Omnifuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79394&oldid=70942 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+8) 10Missing links in this page's evolution > 1607871506 623613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07End14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79395&oldid=68366 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+121) 10Give some structure > 1607871526 99755 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07End14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79396&oldid=79395 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */ m > 1607871600 435858 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:Joke, kinda14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79397&oldid=69477 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+46) 10Please use > 1607872126 541490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79398&oldid=79189 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10Male > 1607872176 489135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79399&oldid=79275 5* 03Skyespr 5* (+184) 10updated since changes to the language (v0.9) < 1607872499 417214 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:75bf:9d26:d12c:7b45 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607872837 542580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, not surprised day 13 scored pretty high on the old twistiness. Though not as high as last year: https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/twist.html > 1607872964 780438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79400&oldid=68195 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* See also */ list < 1607872987 227230 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that chart! > 1607873079 38562 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79401&oldid=68194 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+46) 10/* See also */ others > 1607873087 931167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79402&oldid=79401 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-20) 10/* See also */ rm self link > 1607873109 862653 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 1314]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79403&oldid=68197 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+7) 10/* See Also */ links > 1607873122 905277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript 914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79404&oldid=79400 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* See also */ link < 1607873144 877009 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this chart? > 1607873145 382247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79405&oldid=68192 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10/* See Also */ lInks < 1607873224 45648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The twistiness metric is \frac{\sum_{i=1}^{100} T_2^i}{\sum_{i=1}^{100} T_1^i}. > 1607873235 148965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Printscript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79406&oldid=79405 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* Syntax */ 51 < 1607873264 386772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in other words, the total amount of time used by the first 100 people to get two stars, divided by the total amount of time used by the (likely different) first 100 people to get one star. < 1607873269 743202 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607873331 630288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So more informally, it's a number >= 1 that measures how much harder part 2 was compared to part 1. < 1607873458 986591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also plotted https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/time.one.html and https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/time.two.html that just show the leaderboard times (with the thick bar showing the 25..75 range, and the thin rule showing the 1..100 range). < 1607873501 918061 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the thing that troubled me most today was sign errors. < 1607873519 262521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t = i (mod m) instead of t = -i (mod m) < 1607873522 127397 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice. < 1607873540 133397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the "% isn't actually modulo" thing. < 1607873593 746903 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I did not implement (or reuse) egcd. < 1607873600 593224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Go, as in C, it's the remainder from the truncated-towards-zero division.) < 1607873660 973847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if my solution is as elegant as it could be, but it runs in no appreciable amount of time, so it's fine. Just feel like it's missing a trick somewhere. < 1607873662 693008 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I trusted the system to be solvable < 1607873708 477019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that as well. < 1607873838 857334 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.debian.net/1176718/ is the heart of my solution (with comments added right now) < 1607873869 151451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bezout meets KISS. < 1607873931 7685 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and I flipped a sign; for the description to be correct the x + s should be x - s. < 1607873964 900616 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607873970 533416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got something quite similar except iterative, and I've replaced `lcm a b` with a*b, because all the initial numbers are prime, so all the pairs are coprime. < 1607874016 530587 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually rather surprised that today scored so high on twistyness. I just recognized it as a Chinese Remainder problem and downloaded a preexisting library for it. < 1607874017 984474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't look at the input that closely < 1607874023 571917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense that the ids are prime < 1607874035 55852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LegionMammal978: people don't know what that is < 1607874048 126066 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LegionMammal978: you could see yesterday that people struggle with basic linear algebra < 1607874064 158471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go doesn't have a gcd/lcm built-in, so. < 1607874085 773027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure I might look more closely at the list then and do the same < 1607874176 11777 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will admit, though, that when I saw the second part of day 11 I just threw my hands up in defeat due to the silly CA neighborhood rules. < 1607874291 998270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find a library to do that?-) < 1607874314 296004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the proper solution involves a modular inverse. When a and b are coprime, then r (mod a) and s (mod b) combine into r + a*(s-r)*(a^-1 (mod b)) (mod ab), noting that thanks to the multiplication by a, the (mod b) gets lifted to something (mod ab). < 1607874349 101626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a bit wonky, but so was the CA for 2019 day 24 part 2. < 1607874371 590593 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In fact, I did use a library for the first part, but it ended up being very slow due to the library's poor documentation. < 1607874396 147060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since all ids were small the simple (though not quite naive) approach won the day < 1607874424 856393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :modular inverses can be computed using the extended euclidean algorithm, of course. < 1607874452 652081 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed there must be libraries for this. < 1607874607 729311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GP/PARI has this: chinese(Mod(1,5), Mod(6,21)) = Mod(6, 105) < 1607874618 89707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Right, makes sense. I do in fact have a Go `func modinv(a, m int64) int64` in 2019 day 22 solutions. < 1607874652 937811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And `func egcd(a, b int64) (g, x, y int64)` as well.) < 1607874725 110311 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607874753 253250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my personal 'part 1 rank' / 'part 2 rank' is 8.05 < 1607874757 114700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :today < 1607874846 701014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a really weird metric) > 1607875073 369261 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79407&oldid=79399 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* output */ Fix a cat < 1607875125 440831 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not heat map < 1607875140 616552 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be one chart instead of 20 < 1607875403 850099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of 25. < 1607875452 809798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it's easier to see values from a bar chart than judge shades in a heat map. < 1607875501 953005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for the other one that shows four values per day. < 1607875561 503054 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 25 charts where values are grouped you are limited to compare years within a task number and can't easily compare tasks within a year < 1607875587 849926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what I plotted it for, really. < 1607875618 53529 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would easily see both views in case of heat map < 1607875654 3194 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :color adds the third dimension < 1607875714 574319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, I think it's easier to read values from an axis than from a shade. < 1607875743 728313 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of 25 charts there is tautology because you are already able to see which of 5 bars is 1st and which is 2nd, etc. and colors have no function so it's effectively black and white < 1607875765 768638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and not to repeat myself, but the other chart needs to show four values per day. < 1607875777 601317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "needs to", but "wants to". < 1607875813 632860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe that other chart should be one of those violin plots, though, those are so fancy.) < 1607875855 273070 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpbqnreoyfcsnubt JOIN :#esoteric < 1607875904 657170 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate fireworks < 1607875921 416997 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they happen every evening now but when I get up and come to the window they end already < 1607875943 889685 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should work in such way that there are 1-2 shots and then pause to let people come to windows < 1607875951 344319 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607876343 759206 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they should just go off continuously for 48 hours < 1607876346 615483 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's no missing them < 1607876411 800997 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607876497 691789 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.redd.it/l6qsnijz7w461.png < 1607876587 990631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. It's even rather more clear by now. < 1607876595 55368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&geo=US&q=chinese%20remainder%20theorem < 1607876643 762476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=chinese%20remainder%20theorem worldwide, where it hasn't flattened down so much, presumably thanks to timezones. < 1607876647 467198 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfafhdsgacefsdsu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607876663 486447 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying AoC has an impact? < 1607876673 374619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1607876676 278827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Related queries": advent of code, advent of code day 13, advent of code 2020 day 13, wolfram alpha. < 1607876755 651493 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? crt < 1607876757 338315 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :crt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1607876768 814602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cathode ray theorem. < 1607876792 215239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the Chinese remainder tube. < 1607877859 537868 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they happen every evening now but when I get up and come to the window they end already => oh they do! (when they are) < 1607877940 727317 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they tend to appear hidden by trees or in places where you can’t see from your windows < 1607878149 236433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By popular demand (N=1): https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/twist.heat.html < 1607878201 977849 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607878828 975584 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607879170 42436 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost done with my lang (done with a part of implementing, testing and documeting the Befunge's part) -- now the main instruction left and I can start coding in it < 1607879236 703121 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie yay! < 1607879368 817366 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know about Vega -- I'll try it next time I chart anything < 1607879438 406327 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Chart.js < 1607881360 957424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned of Altair (basically, the Python API for Vega/Vega-Lite) from fiddling with Google Colab things, and it seemed okay. < 1607881716 399003 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607882664 978868 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607883011 596920 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1607884915 58659 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607885636 694005 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: this is the new fungeoid that's like befunge but without self-modifying code? < 1607886165 622753 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1607886634 613793 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emmmm < 1607886669 893316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607886714 878487 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas it will be with random read access to the stack instead of reading/writing to the program space < 1607886743 706064 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll need to clarify the "read" word everywhere, forgot about that < 1607886762 2751 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with Rational data type instead of byte or 32bit < 1607886815 983843 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can put any number to the stack < 1607888095 353908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I see. will you add random access from the bottom so that the coder doesn't have to count stack elements and adjust addresses? or some storage other than the stack, for even more convenience? < 1607889066 304219 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom is kind of ephemeral in funge < 1607889071 609996 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an eternal source of zeros < 1607889117 701626 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion coder should not think there is a bottom < 1607889206 821180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: ok, how about some other place of storage besides the stack then? < 1607889210 113594 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specification is now done < 1607889225 921691 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfafhdsgacefsdsu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607889239 525547 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I'll see if it's needed, I don't reject the idea of the second stack yet < 1607889250 545946 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see on practice if I feel that I need it < 1607889264 547935 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the specification online? linked from https://esolangs.org/wiki/ or something? < 1607889284 533806 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's here https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel < 1607889310 71156 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll move to wiki later in somewhat different form, with examples, etc. < 1607889324 182057 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1607889325 732228 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*copy to wiki < 1607889402 26080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lines with no non-space characters at the end of the source file are trimmed." => ooh, that will be a fun corner case when you try to jump over that line with a trampoline < 1607889456 444836 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exit with code taken from the stack < 1607889459 734694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the value isn't integer and isn't within 0..255 the error is raised" => hmm.... < 1607889499 548746 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't usually like silencing errors, but for exit converting the exit status silently is one of the few cases that I would support. not that it matters much since the program will exit either way. < 1607889600 62523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: um, what kind of arithmetic exactly do the / and % operations do, if these are rational numbers? < 1607889719 514486 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: um, can this only do reads from deep in the stack, not writes? < 1607889779 780267 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do understand that it's technically Turing-complete with just deep reads, but it's much harder to write programs for it that way, especially efficient practical ones < 1607889842 114605 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't discard information from the stack, ever, if there's more than a few bits above it that you have to keep < 1607889889 219068 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... maybe you can somehow with arbitrary precision integers. is there a way to swap the top two elements with these instructions, like with - or something? < 1607889930 551777 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a backslash instruction. so maybe you can encode a full stack to just the top element, but it's definitely not a practical way to write programs, it's more like the kind of torture that ais523 likes. < 1607890357 679172 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :# that will be a fun corner case when you try to jump over that line with a trampoline < 1607890359 298433 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607890368 826604 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I'll cover it here probably https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel/blob/3bbc664a04e8267e7a4780b0aff0bd483a0cf0ec/test.rb#L68 < 1607890498 366229 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas the trouble will be for those who got used to Befunge if they don't push 0 before exit and if they care about the exit code < 1607890538 425811 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they don't care it's just an exit code, no "error message" or "backtrace" is designed < 1607890557 23137 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor it is for Befunge I guess < 1607890623 588419 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the / % arithmetics are like in Ruby < 1607890626 210349 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):001:0> 2r / 3 < 1607890626 342213 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> (2/3) < 1607890626 342257 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):002:0> 2r / 3 * 6 < 1607890626 342266 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> (4/1) < 1607890653 663230 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):003:0> 2r/3 + 4r/5 < 1607890653 848842 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> (22/15) < 1607890722 508913 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of Befunge with the integer math by default the division for negative numbers had to clarify in which side to round < 1607890733 730934 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of Rational there is no rounding, nothing to worry about < 1607890973 218879 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I guess I understood your point, the inability to push deeper of from the other side may suck < 1607890991 893464 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking now about positional swap, lol < 1607891006 851371 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"swap top value with Nth" < 1607891072 411004 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either something like that or at least defining the bottom of the stack and push to the bottom < 1607891837 306941 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: what does % do then? or how do you compute the floor of a number? < 1607891857 637173 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, make that easier. how do you compute the floor of a positive number? < 1607892003 834653 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I guess the trimming corner case was already covered in '"' test but I'll make there too to be sure < 1607892100 415706 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):001:0> (5r/3) % 1 < 1607892100 593668 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> (2/3) < 1607892100 593716 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean this? < 1607892186 609275 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo "53/1%.@" | ./bin/rasel < 1607892186 774750 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.6666666666666666 < 1607892248 908153 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n$ echo "83/:1%-.@" | ./bin/rasel < 1607892249 87444 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1607892425 882449 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the % computes one of the many remainder or modulus operations, and you can use that to compute the floor. good. < 1607892432 488908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then at least the arithmetic works < 1607892441 641527 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..D < 1607892906 977677 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607893305 851450 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Regular expression14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79408&oldid=8029 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10Add alternate names < 1607893308 144570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1607893725 234786 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Voxvy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79409&oldid=78134 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+175) 10Add more langs (from original document) > 1607893760 516171 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Voxvy IDE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79410 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10redirect < 1607894822 928476 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of course, your expense report is much larger." < 1607894832 676407 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :adventofcode makes me asd < 1607894836 264024 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sad > 1607894993 122332 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79411 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2844) 10Add Stu > 1607895028 708068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79412&oldid=79411 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* Truth-machine */ Cats < 1607895112 136800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I agree, it's a silly name. > 1607895192 447870 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79413&oldid=79388 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10/* S */ +[[Stu]] > 1607895256 743799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79414&oldid=79398 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10/* Languages */ +[[Stu]] > 1607895389 465759 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79415&oldid=9180 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+145) 10cats > 1607895520 170469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Voxvy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79416&oldid=79409 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Languages included */ Add link to [[Stu]] (HZOP/RFN/etc. all exist, but they are off-wiki) < 1607895524 171386 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607895670 769474 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking if _ and | are really needed as two instructions < 1607895704 681831 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be one instruction that works as nop() if true and as reverse() if false < 1607896102 771253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: but isn't a conditional reversing direction inconvenient in befunge because you need a trampoline to really use it? < 1607896129 865068 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a befunge trampoline < 1607896159 382864 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge languages are inconvinient by nature ..D < 1607896186 565017 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you misspelled awesome < 1607896221 714820 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell it's always a free spot on both sides of | or _ -- you often need to insert a line and place <>v^ right on the exit from this instruction < 1607896303 592780 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can't tell/won't say < 1607896316 229854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME, | and _ are quite convenient because often you need to $ a number, and you know for sure whether it's zero or non-zero, so you often get to use _ or | to both change direction and discard a number with one instruction. < 1607896342 301370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I call that a "discard-if".) < 1607896397 586612 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but in this language they distinguish between negative and nonnegative, or something like that, not zero and nonzero < 1607896420 389234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been following that. < 1607896451 151179 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :positive vs nonpositive apparently < 1607896472 523144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :north or west for positive < 1607896476 438628 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :south or east for nonpositive < 1607897350 766583 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, to deprecate the "greater than" conditional instruction I made these non-symmetrical around zero < 1607897440 976749 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to convert "if > 0" to "if >= 0" just add 1 (won't work for float I guess though) < 1607897577 207985 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you do "0\-1+" it will work like "!" before conditions < 1607897591 722351 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are shorter replacements < 1607897619 130232 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these optimizations would depend on the exact algorithm you need < 1607897850 985456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: re modular inverse: yes, but the numbers are so small that you don't need any of the fast ways to compute it. the largest bus period I have in the live example file is 509, in the examples it's 1889, and there's an easy way to compute the modular inverse in a loop with as many iterations as the modulus < 1607897934 936830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the moduluses are relative primes too, though I guess you needn't know that in advance < 1607897998 853985 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, there's also an easy way to compute the gcd in a loop with as many steps as one of the moduluses < 1607898092 962744 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all the calculation easily fits in 64-bit integers < 1607898526 807744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's intentional that all integer-y AoC problems fit in 56-bit integers. < 1607898541 351630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those poor saps on languages with just a double-precision float. < 1607898636 277332 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, in doubles, not only in 64-bit ints? possible < 1607898772 910607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The largest answer I've got in 2019 results is in the order of 2^48, though of course that doesn't mean no intermediate quantities were larger. < 1607900058 78082 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm, adapting 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@' to a single conditional '?' is tricky > 1607901340 801384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79417&oldid=78304 5* 03Baguette 5* (+4) 10Made the script call the Ruby env with /usr/bin/env, rather than an absolute path < 1607901708 493118 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607902119 272937 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607902447 245907 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1607902779 123201 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607903667 759262 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1607903683 384293 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607903689 84403 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Client Quit < 1607904110 861687 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607905412 338492 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 > 1607906654 221987 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79418&oldid=79412 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Infinite cat program */ Until EOF > 1607906722 685567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79419&oldid=79417 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10/* Trivial brainfuck substitution interpreter */ Cat < 1607907447 307936 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607908194 620147 :earend1!uid342703@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpbqnreoyfcsnubt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1607908604 699617 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subleq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79420&oldid=74492 5* 03Unl256 5* (+97) 10/* External resources */ < 1607910486 560031 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607910522 817560 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607910566 553910 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1607912027 226476 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the right answer! You are one gold star closer to saving your vacation. [Continue to Part Two] < 1607912086 763225 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dpaste.org/n7bd/slim < 1607912102 99892 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020 day 1 is solved in RASEL ..) < 1607912137 691341 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: ok, although technically it only counts as solving in a new language if the language is older than the task specification < 1607912158 179507 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a good start < 1607912329 725616 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lack of '+' and '*' obviously result in more instructions used < 1607912368 879010 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's interesting how non-trivial it becomes, there are different approaches to the same thing instead of one straight forward < 1607912451 329675 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, to compare the number with 2020, in Befunge I would build 2020 first as 59*:*5-, then -, then I already can call _ or | < 1607912563 343151 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here I had to find another approach, and I'm not if it's optimal but I added 5 (05--), then divided by 45 twice (5/5/9/9/) -- after that if the number was 2020 the result should be exactly 1 < 1607912596 872318 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I check if it's 1? I subtract 1 check if it's positive, then negate and check if it's positive again < 1607912618 372021 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's far more complex than in Befunge but a good playground for golfing ..D < 1607912659 235261 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write up my favorite programming practice tasks somewhere so I can just link to them. I know I've told them in chat often, but that's chat. < 1607912770 277580 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you probably already know some of the stock ones, like print hello world, print the first 100 prime numbers, fizzbuzz, etc < 1607912826 187937 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have the first task solution in Befunge? I would like to compare the size < 1607912912 181610 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite specific. if fizzie doesn't have it then probably nobody does. < 1607913059 740867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been doing Befunge. I kind of thought about it, though. Maybe I should. < 1607914866 532912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a quickly thrown together Befunge-98 version of 2020 day 1 part 1. It's not necessarily going to be *good* Befunge-98, mind you: http://ix.io/2HXh < 1607914910 772844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much in the "use playfield cells as variables" style. > 1607915450 406428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07$ $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79421&oldid=79080 5* 03Pppery 5* (-2) 10/* Implementations */ "An interpreter has been implemented in perl " > 1607915780 467134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07$ $14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79422&oldid=79421 5* 03Pppery 5* (-94) 10/* Examples */ < 1607916574 114189 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1607916730 199190 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607917920 438617 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie where is 2020? < 1607918088 914990 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see, '-:*5- < 1607918157 797672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1607918181 832031 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote it several times faster than I would do that < 1607918193 276620 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in just 30 minutes < 1607918246 111027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent at least half of that trying to find a browser-friendly Befunge-98 debugger, because I'm very lacking of a locally installed Befunge development environment at the moment. < 1607918318 576179 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we add input < 1607918335 62649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, landed on https://misc.purkka.codes/jsfunge-98/befunge98.html which doesn't do input, so I had to debug it with a 2a*a*a*1fp2a*2fp3 in place of the input loop to preload 2000, 20 as my expense report. < 1607918359 470009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ran it on cfunge locally on my AoC puzzle input; but cfunge isn't that great for debugging. < 1607918401 547115 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1607918454 429815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did in fact get it almost right on the first try without the debugger, just had 00g where I needed a fg00gfg, i.e., it was printing the product of the *indices* of the matching values, not the product of the matching values. < 1607918498 346929 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607918704 418598 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607919873 725596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I knew that and in fact I didn't implement or use modular inverses in my solution... but we meandered to the question of how to do it efficiently < 1607919887 915593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for big numbers < 1607924358 483016 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607926108 409727 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607928027 305739 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it looks from the world map like we'll have to leave this island in a few days for some reason, even though the flavor text suggested that this is our destination island < 1607928052 758743 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were diverted to another island due to the storm, remember? < 1607928718 747209 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally blown off course < 1607928730 563949 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1607928747 685110 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I didn't follow the flavor enough < 1607929864 1013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in the end the path will crisscross all around the map and spell out an obscenity < 1607929879 102531 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or look like a penis < 1607929930 865281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dailyhive.com/mapped/penis-flight-russia < 1607931117 337183 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you made implementations with bug for bug compatibility of complex programs? < 1607931266 790942 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607931280 883156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel famously did with the A20 line. < 1607931301 219548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( best abuse of keyboard controller ) < 1607931400 365756 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that there are many that did, but I mean to ask how many people on here have done. < 1607931505 909424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh actually I contributed a patch to npiet once that emulates an implementation bug in the (a?) perl interpreter, because one of the programs (towers of hanoi) that I had relied on that. < 1607931511 942139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I suppose the answer is yes. < 1607931559 320900 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. What specific bug is that? < 1607931654 979663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot. Something with positioning after sliding through white areas. < 1607931696 210257 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was over 14 years ago. < 1607932668 880080 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure if I have a good example for that. I've reintroduced bugs to my own code to be able to easily compare the outputs to see if other changes have broken something. And I've worked around bugs in third-party software a lot of times. But I don't think I deliberately tried to add an interesting bug to my code to reproduce a bug in a third-party code. Copied typos in names to match < 1607932674 878884 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :identifiers or filenames, sure, but not for interesting logic bugs. < 1607932817 922804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, everything I hear about the new Apple CPUs sounds unreasonably good. < 1607932820 327969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad it's Apple. < 1607933264 730271 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do they have their own instruction set or implement an existing instruction set? < 1607933271 605905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ARM. < 1607933413 514496 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my project is working on bug for bug compatibility, by testing various strange things in the original software to see what happens, and then implementing the program to do the same thing. (This also means that the new program can also serve as documentation for the original program too, I suppose, although that isn't quite the intention.) Some people who write emulators have probably done similar things too. < 1607933638 449091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a can of worms < 1607933698 849723 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is thing also when changing existing programs though, to try to maintain compatibility (such as the "cannot #PUT on bottom row" bug in ZZT; some variants maintain that bug, while some variants remove that bug; I have maintained it but added a per-board option in the extended world format which can remove that bug) < 1607933814 348853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607933814 565499 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607933814 692938 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607933814 692989 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607933814 889704 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1607933941 607780 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607934139 301984 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607934139 302040 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1607934139 302048 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1607934139 302055 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1607934139 302062 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot JOIN :#esoteric < 1607936208 126797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607937116 782126 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation for the "goto" statement in Hero Mesh says "Very structured, very object oriented. If you don't like it, don't use it." However, it is needed for any kind of loops (except ForEachObjAt loops); there is no "while" command. < 1607937444 844943 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could use a macro library or similar that implements while loops in terms of goto, and not use goto directly? < 1607937462 24460 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with Hero Mesh < 1607937565 264784 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hero Mesh doesn't have macros. (However, Free Hero Mesh does have macros, and it also has while loops) < 1607937628 600136 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, anything converted from Hero Mesh will not use the macros or while loops, of course.) < 1607939129 977621 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1607941035 555166 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1607941497 268002 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607943601 174435 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607947433 300931 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607947648 571449 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I woke up and realised that < 1607947677 861932 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check if the value is zero you don't have to check if it's positive, negate and then check again < 1607947704 832934 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can square it and then check < 1607947718 873937 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607947731 462603 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1607947788 962961 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the correct place to ask for feedback on new esolang ideas? < 1607947813 118115 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1607947822 645725 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the wiki too to write it up < 1607947830 331244 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, < 1607947860 237540 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about creating a pointer based language, where the syntax would look like this. < 1607947872 248115 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# average ####### l 0 0 ## ↑ len ##↺ ↑ ↑ <= ## ↑ ↑ at ## ↑ ↑ += ##\ ↑ ↑ / ################# < 1607947887 937366 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# average ####### l 0 0 ## ↑ len ##↺ ↑ ↑ <= ## ↑ ↑ at ## ↑ ↑ += ##\ ↑ ↑ / ################# < 1607947903 596551 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry formatting is bad. < 1607947912 692776 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I format like code? < 1607947981 182691 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use any pastebin service < 1607948055 179963 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok thanks, here it is https://privatebin.net/?4751c7dd2a0ea64d#8fyAkGLhRBqxenXHVv2DU1FsHms65PKgmicjjXZBawxN < 1607948101 720877 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a function to calculate the average of a list. Do you think this is a good idea for an esolang, if i work on expanding the functionality? < 1607948181 982842 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607948856 931026 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The # box is a function and arrows are used to reference a value, then it would have different High Order Functions like ↺ loop and \ change scope. < 1607949259 898740 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607949365 707247 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607949630 589753 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make sense? < 1607949958 708909 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make sense < 1607949966 942565 :FastestCoderOnEa!b9932f8f@185.147.47.143 PART :#esoteric < 1607951022 229383 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with "j" the zero check is even simplier: :/jvv < 1607951558 902580 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1607951705 550209 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1607953160 577988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07$ $14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79423&oldid=79422 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-71) 10/* Constants */ Remove empty rows < 1607955817 510506 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607956086 65721 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie I wanna add your Befunge solution to README to show that non-golfed code in both languages have about the same size -- 1) may I do it? 2) may I credit your github username? < 1607956885 755972 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1607956997 310369 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607957634 604709 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you didn't check that you don't sum two numbers from the same index too < 1607957810 274843 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:50fa:5fbf:b35d:d00a JOIN :#esoteric < 1607959094 763286 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1607959239 148205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607960107 524753 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1607960144 506143 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1607962429 257079 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba is you have a level editor now < 1607962553 378590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba is done < 1607962646 756279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I even deleted my savegame so that I wouldn't go back. < 1607962820 568885 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :levels can be shared < 1607962867 171044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lalala I'm not listening < 1607962961 511711 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607963213 38820 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*****p++ < 1607963292 664022 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 star programmer challenge should be a thing < 1607963504 995078 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never mind about the "check that you don't sum two numbers from the same index") < 1607963596 405577 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never managed to finish baba is you :( < 1607963619 212174 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manage to do a puzzle I was struggling with last week < 1607963736 937683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba did get impressively complicated < 1607963813 531734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though as I recall it, it did a good job of introducing the mechanics and tricks you need. < 1607963859 444911 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that game < 1607963954 841995 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I'm just bad at puzzles < 1607964096 831897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I do it it's a weird process of exploring (looking at the outcome of certain moves, trying to figure out how objects interact, because I can't visualize everything) and trying to find attractive intermediate goals < 1607964165 918695 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some levels were very intersting in that i could not solve them at all and they only had a couple things going on and i thought i had explored all options < 1607964176 589762 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the lava and ice level being like that < 1607964184 925521 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right, I even deleted my savegame so that I wouldn't go back. => ow < 1607964282 5197 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : baba is you have a level editor now => am I guessing right it requires you to solve all the levels first? Or to get a specific amount of those flowery flowers? < 1607964360 389776 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : some levels were very intersting in that i could not solve them at all and they only had a couple things going on and i thought i had explored all options => yep. I remember int-e trying to explain me how to solve one without spoiling it < 1607964473 772979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one level in Snakebird which I solved on PC but then couldn’t solve on the phone for tens of tries, and then suddenly I saw what I was missing again. And by now I probably won’t remember that move if I’ll retry again < 1607964482 750245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://babaiswiki.fandom.com/wiki/Level_Editor says it has to be enabled manually < 1607964521 594906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snakebird ... I was so happy when I finished that one. < 1607964570 588707 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! by the way have somebody seen Jelly no puzzle by qrostar (IIRC)? I think there should be a clone of it, the ideas are pretty interesting < 1607964671 457570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Maybe I'll declare Infinifactory finished without even trying the last level set. I can't see myself ever sit down and try it seriously. < 1607964682 487837 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1607964894 474348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've talked about this before... There's dozens of levels in Infinifactory that I actually found fun, but the last set just seems to be about making things *big*. And that's not really interesting to me, it's just tedious and complicated. < 1607964903 918024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1607964967 72777 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :found a clone playable in a browser: https://jackkutilek.com/puzzlescript/jelly-no-puzzle.html < 1607964982 545679 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having your own custom levels is the goal < 1607965015 379494 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t like tedious too < 1607965034 722753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the levels has you put pieces on a kind of PCB. So the way the game works, you have to weld them onto the board. But you can only weld stuff together from the side. So what I think you'll have to do is take two boards, cut them into complementary strips, attach the parts to the strips, and then reassemble the strips to a complete board < 1607965070 26065 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the board is maybe 15 blocks in both dimensions. (1 block in the third). < 1607965121 77174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :("cutting" is lossy, you have to destroy a whole row of blocks) < 1607965143 32280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that why you'll need two boards to make one) < 1607965150 185073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, uninstalled. < 1607965905 449078 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Opus Magnum there is a level where you need to upgrade lead atoms five times to make gold, but you need to upgrade them in two ways simultaneously, both using mercury and no mercury, as that level doesn’t provide you with the atom recycle bin thing (of course, otherwise it will be very simple to solve). That makes a grandiose machinery which is very unwieldy to optimize or even lay out in the first place. But there are levels far more tedious to s < 1607965905 550891 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olve < 1607966025 402269 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do you like Lua? < 1607966070 97540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't touched it, haven't heard anything about it that's remarkable either, other than being designed as an embedded language that can easily be extended < 1607966090 165700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> no opinion, really < 1607966184 103452 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to know it with its basic library almost entirely, once, though I barely wrote in it at all, just a bit of playing in repl < 1607966341 469026 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607966681 289811 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607967286 264317 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :adventofcode day 1 part 2 is computationally hard; takes my interpreter 6 seconds for a line < 1607967366 924312 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyramid's volume is cube's volume / 6, right? then it will take 6 * 2 * 200 / 6 = 400 seconds to run through all the data < 1607967406 497482 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I want to implement sort() for day 1 part 2 _-- < 1607968238 975939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: 1) yes 2) yes NaN) yeah, I thought it's not going to have 2020/2 on the list anyway < 1607968394 584055 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got fish in my code: >$$$> < 1607968413 391808 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1607968672 462776 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie since I store the array on stack to iterate the first index I just pop the top and the first half of the sum is always the top value < 1607968699 138490 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I start the second index from 2 so it does does not collide < 1607968719 116700 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fix is trivial, does not need any conditionals < 1607968853 621636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fix for the Befunge-98 solution is equally trivial, just an extra 1- to the index kept on stack right before the inner loop. I just didn't want to add "extra" characters. < 1607968958 623159 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fish is actually the piece of code that pops the top < 1607969382 811746 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607971405 489780 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1607971690 415850 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607973350 75307 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, stack being of Rational type gives me an ability to divide every number pushed to it by 2020, so instead of checking if sum is 2020 I can check if sum is 1, that will be simpler < 1607974008 170846 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1607975974 201927 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlcyuobjeuezlstd JOIN :#esoteric < 1607977273 740349 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1607978386 405900 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79424 5* 03Someone else 5* (+2384) 10Created page < 1607978464 348078 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1607982942 484372 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607983423 207898 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: Well, would you look at the time. I've almost missed my ambiguous, non-existent appointment that I have scheduled just when I start to lose interest in my current conversation. < 1607983443 910593 :someone_else98!bd31f9b9@189-49-249-185.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1607983508 844806 :someone_else98!bd31f9b9@189-49-249-185.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1607983546 456243 :someone_else98!bd31f9b9@189-49-249-185.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607983603 113662 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice talk < 1607983925 382420 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1607984360 875665 :esolang!bd31f9b9@189-49-249-185.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1607984369 578101 :esolang!bd31f9b9@189-49-249-185.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1607985495 240461 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:50fa:5fbf:b35d:d00a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1607985591 649622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: You might be interested, did part 2 of day 1 in Befunge-98 as well, though it's a bit of a cheat: http://ix.io/2I57 < 1607988255 602498 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1607988548 795429 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlcyuobjeuezlstd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1607988708 361509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the same low price of none, here's also a stack-only day 2 part 1, but I really need a better Befunge development environment, debugging these is far too slow: http://ix.io/2I5r < 1607989425 592071 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1607989610 167506 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1607990062 474145 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(www.adiirc.com) < 1608014228 596480 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1608015534 821598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprisingly, today's task doesn't look very twisty < 1608015540 552829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasis on very < 1608015608 157652 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yesterday's is not nearly as twisted as it might have been < 1608016449 172624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually today is the first time I spent effort on optimising the code after getting both stars < 1608016470 641016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not happy with my code taking more than a minute for the second part. < 1608019932 203910 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1608021329 988082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1608021979 929988 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mine still takes over 30 seconds and I'm not happy with that < 1608022079 596407 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I bit the bullet and used ST and unboxed arrays. < 1608022107 949245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, array, singular. < 1608022152 920936 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using IntMap but I'm surprised there's that much of a speedup from arrays < 1608022208 880103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you do get millions of entries, so a tree of depth 20 or so, and traversing that is a lot of random memory accesses < 1608022244 407884 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, good point < 1608022388 751491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and GC cost may be nontrivial too... hmm. < 1608022525 925708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Productivity 49.4% of total user, 49.3% of total elapsed" < 1608022594 384503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just passing +RTS -A2G is a nice 150% speedup < 1608022612 534170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bringing productivity up to 85%. < 1608022618 811130 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ymmv) < 1608022806 516331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the array version has 99.5% productivity (unsurprisingly; the big array isn't scanned and the rest of the heap is really small) < 1608022848 567022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 29.717 / 0.562 < 1608022851 289487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 52.87722419928825 < 1608023079 523104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what happened to yesterday's second star? < 1608023102 90012 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at the #haskell list) < 1608023192 756368 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: critical motivation error < 1608023361 113322 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks out of place among all the gold :) < 1608023371 106617 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get round to it < 1608023413 209311 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...eventually < 1608023425 419013 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seeing as I've done some of the 2015 tasks this month, it may be a while) < 1608025115 360917 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608026764 799266 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608027646 340775 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1608029396 460575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm unsure what to do at this island that has two tall trees and two rocks. < 1608029431 499272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you make a screenshot I might have an idea < 1608029457 351641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was trying to be deliberately vague. But I guess I can do that. < 1608029484 641188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://slbkbs.org/tmp/2020-12-15-025059_3840x2160.png < 1608029490 64227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've been stuck here for that long or anything. < 1608029641 109852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I know what you can do there and it doesn't seem terribly difficult. < 1608029657 184749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll figure it out. < 1608030057 908752 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1608030304 241677 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608030383 818260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, wow, I can't believe I missed that. < 1608030398 383634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since it was the theme of this whole area. < 1608030421 21281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a little time trying to get to the rock but most of the time I was thinking I needed to get to the (barely visible) island in the southeast. < 1608030528 283726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it just brought me here. < 1608030866 203076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes all it needs is a small leap of faith > 1608031254 282235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:Graphical Output14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79427 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+69) 10Created page with "Languages with primarily graphical IO (to screen or to an image file)" > 1608031299 767220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PixelCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79428&oldid=78088 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+114) 10categories > 1608031323 360189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Graphical Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79429&oldid=50990 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+30) 10category < 1608031568 891752 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1608031634 615790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Image14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79430&oldid=62030 5* 03Razetime 5* (+30) 10 > 1608031716 910281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Drawfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79431&oldid=47307 5* 03Razetime 5* (-5) 10 < 1608031845 328745 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 > 1608031853 691573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79432&oldid=76648 5* 03Razetime 5* (+30) 10 > 1608031897 259293 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rebmu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79433&oldid=68159 5* 03Razetime 5* (+30) 10 > 1608032041 766212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rebmu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79434&oldid=79433 5* 03Razetime 5* (+0) 10 < 1608032387 594812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we just get another new category without discussion :-( < 1608032516 936362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the current state spells out "gimp" in the middle which is a funny accident https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Graphical_Output (may need to be logged in to see the latest version) < 1608032523 786963 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608032722 794228 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1608034423 363310 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1608034447 519778 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1608035569 756115 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:31:48 And for the same low price of none, here's also a stack-only day 2 part 1 < 1608035571 396810 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how < 1608035795 105685 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my day 1 part 2 is https://dpaste.org/0rDS/slim < 1608036171 325427 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow your part 2 is different from part 1 only by a little < 1608036211 754379 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has to be a whole one more loop around < 1608036866 513269 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1608037357 213475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79435&oldid=78269 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* Turing-Completeness */ rm redirect < 1608037388 591394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, though. < 1608037450 616116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it does is essentially: for i { for j { k = 2020 - (i+j); if exists[k]: return i*j*k } } < 1608037567 348011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses one of the playfield rows as a bitmap, basically. The input-reading loop collects all the input numbers to consecutive cells of row f as with part 1, but for every number i, it also sets the i'th column of row e to 0 for that "check if we have this number" test. < 1608037654 826105 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool, you kind of use the program space for implicit sorting < 1608037660 957209 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that exists[] > 1608037709 447025 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rebmu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79436&oldid=79434 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10External link < 1608037711 902179 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be done in rasel since it currently isn't supposed for random writing < 1608037736 943939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's why I said "it's a bit of a cheat". < 1608037761 566596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimate bucket sort < 1608037788 77401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did part 2 of day 2 as well, but had to use one cell on the playfield for it: http://ix.io/2I9P < 1608037820 530540 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went sleep yesterday on doing day 2 part 2, have to finish it yet < 1608037843 792178 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike day 1 the part 2 here is changing the program a lot < 1608037857 582354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rot or a 2swap/2dup would certainly make stack-only Befunge solutions much more plausible. < 1608037879 348198 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1608037888 712670 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap 3 top items? < 1608037908 110976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, [a b c] -> [b c a]. Or the other way around, I can never remember. < 1608037939 414735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Forth term. 2swap and 2dup do [a b c d] -> [c d a b] and [a b] -> [a b a b] respectively. < 1608037941 56444 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, each step deeper is a huge help < 1608037956 388981 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number is problems become easily solvable grows exponentially < 1608038018 553428 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of problems < 1608038051 126624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "algorithms" (if you can call them that) in my Befunge solutions are: for part 1, it just reads characters and compares them to the reference character, possibly incrementing a count stored below the reference. After it's done, it compares the result to the low/high bounds. The input transforms the (low, high) pair to (high-low+1, low) to make it possible with just swap. < 1608038258 103635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for part 2 it just uses two read-and-discard loops to skip over characters before the first important one, and between the first and second ones, and then calculates essentially (a == c) + (b == c) == 1. But I had to p/g the c value. :/ < 1608038395 249044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The problem with modern computers are, they're just too fast. I did the "just play the game" solution for part 1, fully assuming they'd ask for some ridiculously large number for part 2 that'd need some clever trick, but then they asked for a relatively modest number, which comes out of the simple solution in less than two seconds. So now I'm not motivated to think about shortcuts. < 1608038503 91937 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if X is within A and B I stored it like A B B X, then subtract-compare the last two, then restore X by subtracting the (B-X) from B, then compare with A < 1608038710 285310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, makes sense. What I did was (modulo some +1s) to store B-A A X, turn it into B-A X-A, then do the comparisons X-A > 0 (aka X > A) and X-A < B-A (aka X < B). < 1608039113 241880 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well as indicated earlier, the Data.Map based Haskell solution made me bite my nails for a minute < 1608039205 858054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also followed my usual pattern of producing a list of numbers and then taking the N-th element. Turns out that list alone accounted for half of the time. > 1608039222 223156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79437&oldid=79424 5* 03Someone else 5* (+828) 10 > 1608039339 506083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79438&oldid=79437 5* 03Someone else 5* (+33) 10 < 1608040248 710402 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608040264 527110 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608040336 57869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, here's also a stack-only day 2 part 2, with just a little code duplication (to maintain state in the IP rather than on the stack): http://ix.io/2Ia7 < 1608040416 648985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably that could be fixed too, with some similar system for restoring the value, just don't have time now. > 1608040875 655575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79439&oldid=79438 5* 03Someone else 5* (+1266) 10Added examples < 1608040897 840893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, actually, it's much simpler than that, I can just http://ix.io/2Iab -- though that's got a larger bounding box after all. Not sure what's better. > 1608041068 749964 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79440&oldid=79439 5* 03Someone else 5* (+9) 10 < 1608041941 883860 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608042102 784064 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1608043737 102988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1608044059 10663 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79441&oldid=79440 5* 03Someone else 5* (+1268) 10Added examples > 1608044121 853168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79442&oldid=79441 5* 03Someone else 5* (+6) 10Formatting < 1608044212 52752 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608045336 258772 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1608045355 322402 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1608045359 298713 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 > 1608045434 161602 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79443&oldid=79442 5* 03Someone else 5* (-680) 10 < 1608046134 792960 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1608050876 694950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79444&oldid=79443 5* 03Someone else 5* (+7) 10 < 1608051204 779340 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljviglabpqtspwrw JOIN :#esoteric < 1608051525 356896 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1608051802 49809 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1608051921 153260 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608051926 416871 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1608054354 950234 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1608055005 193623 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608056869 486272 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1608058631 193736 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is "four-legged feline" a tautology? < 1608058631 352372 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the planned liberalization of telecommunications on 1 january 2001, brought a case before the appeal court of the hague convention. < 1608058960 510419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it be a tautology? < 1608061500 744493 :pr0gr3sR!pr0gr3sR@cpe-65-31-17-204.insight.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1608061530 77408 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1608061903 372394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1608062260 631788 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all felines have four legs. even tigers, who can swim well, have four legs, not fins, just like crocodiles. catfish aren't actually related that closely, they just have one of these unfortunate aristotelian names like seahorses. < 1608063181 712628 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljviglabpqtspwrw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1608063204 437696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some videos of three-legged and two-legged cats. < 1608064654 630562 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JSIrfHNJCI < 1608064696 276258 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father often quoted this line but I never knew where it's from, just googled, the last result on the first google's page < 1608064704 694701 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "cat has 4 legs" < 1608064713 471733 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and behind it there is a tail" < 1608064715 1103 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..D < 1608065725 551775 :bitkiller!~bitkiller@unaffiliated/bitkiller JOIN :#esoteric < 1608065738 486517 :bitkiller!~bitkiller@unaffiliated/bitkiller PART :#esoteric < 1608067159 505508 :Apache!~Satan2@195.135.248.232 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608067166 535895 :Apache!~Satan2@195.135.248.232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401 < 1608068085 872932 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608068217 120003 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608068749 95192 :jess!jess@freenode/staff/jess JOIN :#esoteric < 1608068976 449628 :Apache!~Satan2@195.135.248.232 QUIT :K-Lined > 1608069038 777826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AmBored14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79445&oldid=78301 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+30) 10~ c ~ a ~ t ~ < 1608069130 3535 :Apache!~Satan2@195.135.248.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608069240 366156 :Apache!~Satan2@195.135.248.226 QUIT :K-Lined < 1608069289 975535 :Apache!~Satan2@195.135.250.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608069378 301392 :Apache!~Satan2@195.135.250.155 QUIT :K-Lined < 1608070028 504958 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1608073710 218718 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (a == c) + (b == c) == 1. But I had to p/g the c value. :/ < 1608073712 508836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:57: error: :1:57: error: parse error on input ‘:/’ < 1608073720 688156 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I've got a problem too < 1608073801 597913 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to store 1. the second skip length 2. the char 3. and the result of the first comparison < 1608073860 765766 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't just push the (2) behind (1), I needed it here on top because I duped it for the first comparison < 1608073932 9304 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie so you just made copypaste for two branches? < 1608073951 972798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first non-g/p solution I did, yes. < 1608074105 627784 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that there is a solution < 1608074142 980851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one I have just does a branch followed by either \0\ or \1\ to basically go from stack [skip char result] to [result char skip]. < 1608074194 348314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I don't think that was quite right. < 1608074206 244340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works, anyway. < 1608074358 854083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, from [skip char result] to [char result skip], is what I was supposed to say. By temporarily discarding the result, since the only thing that matters is whether it was 0 or not, so that state can be kept by which branch it's in while it swaps skip and char. < 1608074426 886167 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1608074497 860207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's quite similar except that instead of duplicating the whole "discard the middle bit" code it only duplicates the "swap the order of (1) and (2) and then put (3) back" code, to use your numbers. < 1608075170 940952 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only there was a way for first char check part to has an effect on the second part so it reversed its mind < 1608075302 867260 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe read both chars, compare them with each other and only then compare to the X? < 1608075354 969010 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, won't work, still need plenty of space < 1608075809 161037 :mla!~mla@162.253.176.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608076866 123182 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a competitive website about optimizing funge solutions < 1608077010 27159 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, measuring path length < 1608077067 806015 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make for RASEL if I had another life to spare < 1608077103 349995 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1608077685 93845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I used to golf Befunge with friends, bounding box area was our standard metric. < 1608077706 894252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just something very pleasing about a compact square of Befunge code with no appreciable gaps. < 1608077759 37303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've not written anything large that I'd've applied that style to, though.) < 1608078167 828415 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually an interesting aspect I didn't think about earlier -- the branch we are on has a 1 bit of information in itself < 1608078170 761109 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608078231 575975 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be short but useful to get deeper into stack < 1608078313 798281 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie I use as a metric a bytesize of the file when you save it and editor trims trailing spaces < 1608078374 589477 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the metric of width+height to promote more squared solutions ) < 1608078403 550170 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1608078408 584552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the circumference, for round. < 1608078455 524232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some approximation of length of convex hull or whatever. < 1608078851 893189 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1608078947 790832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79446&oldid=76245 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+59) 10/* Input/output capabilities */ Was this discussed? < 1608079305 82105 :zeroed!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1608079533 465795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I was hoping day 5 part 1 would've turned out to be real short, but http://ix.io/2Ier is what I got for it. < 1608079869 873676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, at least I can use the same bucket sort for part 2: http://ix.io/2Iet -- also moderately happy that only took 5 minutes, and worked the first try. Somehow it's so easy to make mistakes with Befunge code. < 1608079899 753368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, it's even got some dead code left over from part 1. :) < 1608079955 461528 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wouldn't bounding box area usually end up with a very narrow rectangle? < 1608079997 182989 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1608080027 16964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe in an actual competitive setting it might. < 1608080060 305693 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: especially in variants of befunge that have long jumps < 1608080098 87916 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit when we wrote obfuscated code in perl, a lot of them ended up as compact rectangles, but it's sort of an uninspired formatting < 1608080135 261226 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much that I gave two variants in https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=863110 , and I think the one that's not an unformatted blob is nicer < 1608080147 716130 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then befunge is different, because of its 2d control flow < 1608081330 923587 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh finally I made day 2 part 2 < 1608081386 246657 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie https://dpaste.org/Crmx/slim < 1608081431 640047 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically Befunge-like solution, those "j" are accepting just 1 and 0 and so similar to _ and | < 1608081470 4728 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost in the middle there is branching that does a little of action and storing the 0 or 1 < 1608081497 491323 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the end another branch uses that saved bit to chose the branch < 1608081538 193743 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean and at the end that bit is reused to branch again < 1608081659 991170 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Befunge-like and no random access < 1608081934 70009 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"j" pointing from opposite sides are effectively the same as XORing the memorized bit < 1608082108 521184 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm, what if I make "?" not "go forward or reverse" but "go 1 cell forward or 2"?.. < 1608082159 859659 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would look the same as I do with ":/j" to test for zero < 1608083217 182562 :adminv!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed JOIN :#esoteric < 1608083426 148563 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608083438 938932 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1608083507 2143 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1608087154 545581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1608087285 34923 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1608089723 535900 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fizzie, after I made it in two lines like you did https://dpaste.org/Qpzh/slim < 1608089738 434845 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that you did the same thing about storing 0 and 1 in two branches I guess < 1608089774 380958 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1608089831 769368 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost identical, lol < 1608097910 6985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, first interesting AoC day today? < 1608097922 52554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it, Zorn's lemma? < 1608097938 2290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1608097943 501501 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6’ by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1608097976 17997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
  ACTION thwacks shachaf with a 5.5' by 13 kg non-regulation mapole.
  < 1608098241 512300 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608103873 486013 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1608104803 289500 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:5de7:ca9a:33ca:dd73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608105428 46255 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1608105720 142684 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: Bats are people too! < 1608105917 158539 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608105953 833078 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing the Move() function in Free Hero Mesh would be more complicated to do. Use what it says in the Hero Mesh documentation as the basic hypothesis. Figure out an experiment to distinguish it from other cases. Revise the hypothesis and make up a new experiment, etc. Some things in the Hero Mesh documentation are incomplete or unclear anyways, and I have already figured out some things difference from what it says. < 1608106194 522307 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-135.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1608106656 888478 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608107170 943600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1608110436 188771 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1608110465 67029 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608110582 772883 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1608111518 430758 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608113853 375165 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608117578 718948 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1608119406 794821 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608119476 186966 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1608120829 365966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79447&oldid=77971 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+0) 10 > 1608120883 674132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79448&oldid=79447 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+9) 10 < 1608120940 51371 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1608121022 120404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79449&oldid=79448 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+3) 10 > 1608121054 71952 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79450&oldid=79449 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+14) 10 < 1608121067 961447 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The password of the month is solarwinds123. (too late, I know) ) > 1608121204 287081 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79451&oldid=78389 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+44) 10 < 1608122037 270097 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:5de7:ca9a:33ca:dd73 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1608122612 558239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Wrongpassword1 5* 10New user account > 1608122897 530197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79452&oldid=79378 5* 03Wrongpassword1 5* (+165) 10 > 1608122927 79650 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Wrongpassword114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79453 5* 03Wrongpassword1 5* (+114) 10Created page with "{{retired}} This was a test. How do I delete an account on this wiki?? My pw is the username with a 2 at the end." < 1608122998 822360 :theFoxe!55d81140@HSI-KBW-085-216-017-064.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1608123606 901343 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1608124412 641238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79454&oldid=79451 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-19) 10Wikipedia link > 1608124505 537971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79455&oldid=79450 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+76) 10Cat, seeAlso > 1608125162 842546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Wrongpassword114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79456 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+813) 10/* Account deletion appears to be impossible */ new section < 1608126523 76111 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1608127269 449933 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look, they stopped including the normal sized frame for the default mobile phone SIM card package. the one I bought two years ago still had one. this one only has mini, micro, and Apple sizes (called standard, micro, and nano on the packaging) < 1608127298 684908 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1608127450 260782 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should call the normal one "credit card size" < 1608127567 585699 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: we are old enough to remember these SIMs < 1608127595 304276 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I bought my first mobile in 2000, already has "mini-SIM" < 1608127784 420383 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even remeber the times when you had a phonebook in SIM-card < 1608128198 337826 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" A rot or a 2swap/2dup would certainly make stack-only Befunge solutions much more plausible." => even with that, Rasel would still have the same problem: you can't erase entries from the stack if there are more than a few entries above it that you have to preserve, unless you encode a list to a bigum, which gets ugly and may be hard. so if you want to, say, merge two lists or reverse or sort a < 1608128204 344430 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :list, you can do it fast because of random reads but you have to keep the inputs forever, you can't discard old data. < 1608128248 213927 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like Underload without ! < 1608128254 379601 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1608128262 600904 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only not quite that restricted < 1608128279 889467 :theFoxe!55d81140@HSI-KBW-085-216-017-064.hsi.kabelbw.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1608128650 471000 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even get the point why to change the SIM card size at all > 1608128996 331521 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rasel14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79457 5* 03B jonas 5* (+856) 10Created page with "'''RASEL (Random Access Stack Esoteric Language)''' is a [[fungeoid]] esoteric programming language. RASEL code is layed out as a planar array of instructions, with each inst..." < 1608129137 72554 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pspgkoyqheemgkqs JOIN :#esoteric < 1608129194 383711 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: changing from credit-card sized to mini makes sense, because the credit-card sized card wouldn't fit properly into current phones, at least not without it making the phone thicker. changing from mini to micro might perhaps make sense, it helps you make thin phones with two sim card slots and one SD card slots, popular and useful in Europe these days, although there do exist phones with two mini < 1608129200 387041 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sized SIM card slots. I don't understand the Apple size, but Apple has its own third incompatible standards of a lot of things when two other choices are already available. < 1608129364 966896 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" there should be a competitive website about optimizing funge solutions" => there are some golf sites that accept many languages, including Code Golf Stack Exchange, you can try to use RASEL for newly posted problems there. < 1608130909 248920 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1608131197 505302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608131300 242734 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608131318 555712 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1608131932 120291 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, new cards are of the same thicknaess < 1608132854 53545 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1608132999 420184 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608133150 578958 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: no, the Apple format is thinner < 1608133239 430073 :VaMpIrU!~btcagency@80.49.84.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608133241 280308 :VaMpIrU!~btcagency@80.49.84.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
  ACTION Earn your BitCoin Now! https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401
  < 1608133251 555813 :VaMpIrU!~btcagency@80.49.84.198 PART :#esoteric < 1608133359 287513 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, by the way, means either that the tolerances in the curved pins in the phone are supposed to be such that the difference in thickness doesn't matter and Apple changed it for no good reason, or that Apple has deliberately made all SIM cards in normal phones work worse because their center have to be made thinner and so it's easier to get a contact error in a phone that expects a mini or micro SIM < 1608133365 286653 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :card < 1608133463 216722 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the truth is somewhere in between those) < 1608133915 326606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sorta-point about the nano being thinner is that you can make a more robust nano-to-micro or nano-to-mini adapter, because it can have something behind the card. < 1608133945 827651 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no it can't, because the difference is too thin for you to put anything there < 1608133964 207133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what ETSI says is the reason, and I've seen adapters for it. < 1608133974 705111 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you have between plus the gap that will be between the back and the Apple sized card because of imperfections together will be too thick < 1608133981 627483 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are such adapters? hmm < 1608133992 183145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docbox.etsi.org/workshop/2012/201201_SECURITYWORKSHOP/3_INTERNATIONAL_STANDARDIZATION/UICC_ETSISCP_Vedder.pdf "Thinner to allow adapters so that the 4FF can be 'clicked' into adapters for use as a 3FF SIM giving a kind of backward usability". < 1608134002 700665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4FF = nano, 3FF = micro.) < 1608134007 445489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there definitely are adapters. < 1608134051 861916 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean adapters with a back, not just adapters around the four edges in the plane < 1608134106 152741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm pretty sure I've seen an adapter with a thin plate supporting the card. < 1608134111 707261 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw in 2018 I was using a very old SIM card, one that was only in mini size without an adapter, so I had to get a new one (for free) when I bought a new phone < 1608134113 310615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really just makes it easier to insert. < 1608134134 76014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without the card falling off, I mean.) < 1608134139 209337 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new phone with mini slot that is < 1608134141 982793 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1608134145 422212 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new phone with micro slot < 1608134211 422286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all the current phones of this household are now 4FF, but only for the last few months. < 1608135238 907265 :thefoxe!f065e514@240.101.229.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608136212 663950 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you know where lambdabot is? < 1608136229 311057 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops it’s here < 1608136233 80796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot < 1608136241 529613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1608136252 439644 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + 3 < 1608136267 406243 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep doesn’t respond in PM and here too < 1608136293 323390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sitting prettily, not consuming much memory or CPU, hrm. < 1608136347 698695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll kick it in a couple of minutes, let me see if I can get a glimpse of what it's doing first. < 1608136482 143758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm just sleeping? < 1608136572 373540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1608136682 236548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I have no clue what happened there. I killed it and that didn't immediately disconnect it here so it may have been some semi-open TCP connection thing. < 1608136759 19292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1608136815 429865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: anyway, thanks... I wonder how often this happens < 1608137078 263169 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608137281 919936 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: for the statistics, I used to ask @messages from it on a daily basis and all was more or less well. But these times I often forget to open an IRC window; though a couple of times on this and other week it responded kindly < 1608137397 559155 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Okay, let's hope it was a rare fluke then. < 1608137479 470852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I really don't have a clue where to start debugging this. < 1608137546 69566 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intriguing! :D < 1608137603 35143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I took over lambdabot it used to disappear for hours at a time until it was manually kicked... the reason for that were semi-open TCP connections; the Freenode server would lose/close the connection, but no RST package was ever received by the server (I infer, never looked at package captures), and lambdabot never sent anything on its own back in those days. < 1608137638 672598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's sending regular pings so it recovers from that within minutes, usually. < 1608137660 740434 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, apparently, not this time. < 1608138103 768855 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pspgkoyqheemgkqs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1608138110 43359 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unluckily I decided to check on IRC before going to sleep, so gtg bye have a nice afternorninghtevening < 1608138370 7230 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1608138852 121794 :ice303!~sandros@82.191.60.94.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1608141182 851067 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1608141485 256447 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real effect of smaller SIM card I see is that it's easier to lose < 1608141682 179889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things have become so fiddly < 1608141746 552972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had not heard about the flatter microsims though, somehow < 1608141776 659107 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thinner) < 1608141956 871226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait, Wikipedia says the 4FF (nano-SIM) are thinner because it's meant to be put into adapters for 2FF (mini-SIM) and 3FF (micro-SIM) formats, rather than as a subversion of the standard. < 1608141971 139666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where I got that from, yes. < 1608141974 258597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We discussed it.) < 1608141986 445191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah sorry, I'm bad at catching up on context. < 1608142013 690022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did follow [25] to check though. ;) < 1608142148 794605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't realize it's (nominally) thinner though. All the recent SIM's I've gotten have been those three-in-one dealies where you pop off the size you need (well, except if you need the 1FF size, but realistically...), wonder if those actually have the middle bit thinner. < 1608142161 1277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess 0.1mm isn't exactly that noticeable. < 1608142196 846240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.76/0.67 < 1608142199 641966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.1343283582089552 < 1608142219 995488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all relative, of course. < 1608142313 726710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no clue how big the tolerances of the sim card slots are in practice, which is the real question here. < 1608142405 406021 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the update to SIM card size makes the phone 0.1 mm thinner? who needs that? < 1608142434 186853 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's around 1% of phone's thickness < 1608142490 917875 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they've shrunk the other dimensions too which presumably matters more. < 1608142718 258677 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring back credit card size SIMs < 1608142734 977851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do seem to "advertise" sub-millimeter thickness changes in reviews and such though. But yeah, presumably it's the reduction in area that matters more. < 1608142752 636420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen a four-in-one SIM. :/ < 1608142835 836058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've had [12], [23] and [234], but no other combinations. < 1608142853 18053 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if they want to make them any smaller they'll need to change the standard, because 4FF is about the same size as the connector itself < 1608142865 532017 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :femto-SIM is just a dust you sprinkle into the headphone jack < 1608142871 998304 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except they're getting rid of those too...) < 1608142874 951963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that eSIM thing. < 1608142905 973057 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one is permanently soldered, right? < 1608142907 113816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sprinkle electrons into floating gates... < 1608142917 792122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, physically speaking. < 1608142929 483033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logically speaking I think you can "change" what's programmed into it? < 1608142929 980088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a flash ROM thingy? < 1608142981 843211 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought part of the point of SIMs is that they are like smart cards (and share some common ancestor?) and don't let you reprogram them willy-nilly < 1608143006 188121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't know how exactly the eSIM provisioning works. < 1608143018 372160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're definitely supposed to be able to change providers. < 1608143089 307654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The surface mount format provides the same electrical interface as the full size, 2FF, 3FF and 4FF SIM cards, but is soldered to a circuit board as part of the manufacturing process. The eSIM format is commonly designated as MFF2." < 1608143103 20483 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A SIM has writable memory anyway, I have a hard time imagining that they make a write only part just to keep things complicated. And there's already the immutable IMEI on the phone anyway. < 1608143153 666027 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the idea of SIMs as carrier-trusted hardware is probably doomed anyway, since they have to be cheap to manufacture < 1608143156 335703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at the same time I can imagine all sorts of deliberate barriers for the purpose of vendor lockins. So who knows. < 1608143170 814358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.hologram.io/blog/clearing-up-the-term-esim didn't really clear it up for me. < 1608143192 462197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least there's a size comparison. < 1608143238 577067 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eSIM form factor", what the fuck are they talking about? < 1608143311 280261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of my Pixels have eSIM support, but my main operator (Three) doesn't bother with it. < 1608143312 275836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does make sense though... MFF2 is a standard for SMD devices that act like a SIM card) < 1608143338 892624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One link further: https://developer.gemalto.com/documentation/mff2-sim-cards-specs-mim-quad < 1608143361 834944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But AIUI, the idea was that it could also be implemented at a much smaller scale, even part of a SoC. < 1608143385 393026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "eSIM form factor" begins to lose all its meaning. < 1608143387 248728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :O2 does, though, so maybe I could get my secondary "I need to have this because apparently international text messages are a mess" SIM card into the same phone as the main one. < 1608143405 645372 :kkd!~memxor@unaffiliated/kartikeya PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 2.9" < 1608143621 61731 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, since gemalto is a SIM card manufacturer who wants to stay in business I can understand why they would not even mention alternatives to having a SIM chip on your device for implementing eSIMs. < 1608143886 459132 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you can open any modern phone and find space for 10 more SIM cards < 1608144243 407738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure... they pack things pretty densely and fill up as much space as they can with the battery < 1608144267 649920 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" it's sitting prettily, not consuming much memory or CPU, hrm. I killed it and that didn't immediately disconnect it here" => ah great, this reminds me of when I was hosting the bot cbstream. < 1608144275 268024 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tagged v0.0.0. Pushed rasel 0.0.0 to rubygems.org < 1608144316 719208 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symptoms weren't the same, and I think it's a different bug, but it was just about as annyoing. it just hang without realizing it should do anything, even die from not having a connection to the IRC server. < 1608144319 358909 :acedic[m]!acedicmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jvtlxrrfoigsaykh JOIN :#esoteric < 1608144346 879847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: there are sites doing teardowns of mobile devices, that might change your opinion < 1608144355 884953 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now fizzie has problems when the logs web service hangs. < 1608144476 86092 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's what the SIMs that I buy are like, three parts, and the middle part *is* thinner, though you may only notice that if you look at it from the back side, where the front side is the one with the connectors towards the phone. < 1608144580 382341 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I guess if they want to make them any smaller they'll need to change the standard, because 4FF is about the same size as the connector itself" => yes, there was already a version with a different connector, but I think it went out of use < 1608144642 819567 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" but that one is permanently soldered, right?" => I dunno, I assume that only happens in small devices. in large enough devices you put a socket under any fiddly thing that you solder with more than two legs. < 1608144800 71893 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I suppose the idea of SIMs as carrier-trusted hardware is probably doomed anyway, since they have to be cheap to manufacture" => I don't think that argument works, because credit cards also have to be cheap too, but they're similarly supposed to be not copiable and only the credit card provider should be able to make one. < 1608144839 383977 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1608145144 865913 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pages about specific languages should be added both to Category:Languages (as above) and to the Language_list" < 1608145149 927309 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there two places? < 1608145168 479109 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to split from "joke language list"? < 1608145229 879637 :thefoxe!f065e514@240.101.229.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1608145332 133630 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's very uncommon to find IC sockets in consumer devices, regardless of size, and most ICs these days use surface-mount packages which don't really lend themselves to sockets < 1608145410 890885 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :even setting aside size constraints (which are certainly present on a smartphone) a socket adds expense, both in terms of the part itself and the extra time/effort during assembly < 1608145461 932902 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :surface mount ICs can be placed ridiculously fast by machines and then reflow-soldered all at once < 1608145560 446390 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :most consumer devices are not meant to be repaired at the level of individual chips, maybe a whole board / subassembly but more likely you throw out the whole thing if it breaks < 1608145573 831957 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're well past the point of physically swapping out ROM ICs as a way of updating firmware < 1608145807 596299 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I admit that credit cards, especially embossed ones, may in fact be much more expensive to manufacture than SIM cards, and I have no idea about their manufacturing costs, because banks and mobile phone service providers give them to you only in conjunction with a service, so they can charge you much more than it costs to make, or much less to incentivize people to always report stolen credit < 1608145813 590701 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards and SIM cards < 1608145868 124285 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIM cards in bulk can be pretty cheap < 1608145869 432182 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1608145888 143890 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: ah yes, I should add it to [[Language list]]. and I don't know why, there's no point to maintain both, it's just going by momentum and the two are probably significantly desynced by now. < 1608145897 444548 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a couple people who used them for shadytel stuff at toorcamp - bring a burner phone and you have phone service for the weekend < 1608145928 819861 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, duration of the con, which is >weekend < 1608145950 19276 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: while we're there, is this language called RASEL or Rasel? I suspect it's RASEL and I just created the page with the wrong name. > 1608145962 802120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79458&oldid=79413 5* 03B jonas 5* (+12) 10 < 1608145994 334387 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: true about consumer device repair < 1608146010 639011 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I was about to create pages for the language and for myself < 1608146012 361378 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, there's still a lot of devices that have easily swappable ROMs, but they're SPI/i2c flash < 1608146021 173853 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm registering an account, solving befunge captcha, lol < 1608146029 303148 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of devices? < 1608146030 411511 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just read all the rules from Help page < 1608146061 695541 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculators, other small embedded stuff < 1608146064 988800 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: ok, but I already created a stub at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Rasel . If it's called RASEL then I'll ask the wiki guys to rename it. > 1608146071 826060 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nakilon 5* 10New user account < 1608146080 553733 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in fact I might be able to rename it myself. < 1608146088 470856 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less so now than 5 years ago, but an eeprom programmer is still a very useful tool < 1608146089 817801 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of doing that instead of having a header or test points to reprogram the chip in situ? < 1608146121 674678 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I used my own befunge interpreter -- feels like I've cracked my first captcha < 1608146136 383408 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-chip-modules are expensive, so if you can have one chip for CPU/RAM/other logic and another for flash, it's cheaper in the long run < 1608146149 30427 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas yeah should be all caps < 1608146160 704157 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(weird stuff often doesn't support internal flash. which is also changing) < 1608146163 48006 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll move it to [[RASEL]] < 1608146167 687183 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1608146168 918390 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what that has to do with using a socket or not > 1608146173 102766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03B jonas 5* 10moved [[02Rasel10]] to [[RASEL]]: I created with wrong name, sorry < 1608146182 561740 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have an external SPI flash chip without socketing it > 1608146184 269992 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79461&oldid=79458 5* 03B jonas 5* (+0) 10 < 1608146282 210225 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang email confirmation email got spammed by gmail < 1608146285 739065 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1608146463 418676 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not socketed, but at least replaceable by the end-user < 1608146478 179285 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some machines do socket it > 1608146848 97007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79462&oldid=79452 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+167) 10machine asked me to prove I'm human < 1608147000 211061 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't understand is why SIM cards still have to stay in the phone these days. it perhaps made sense in the 90s, and we have to make SIM cards and phones compatible with the old protocol for a while. but we could phase them to where you can insert the SIM card to a phone once, the SIM card generates a cryptographically signed statement that you put this SIM card to this phone, with a serial number < 1608147001 684144 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas the wiki says there are User pages and Profile pages < 1608147006 179074 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that increases for the same SIM card, then the phone just sends that data to the provider, and the provider only accepts the statement with the latest serial number that they've seen for each SIM card. then you could have just one SIM slot even in dual-SIM phones, or a SIM slot that overlaps with the memory card slot, or have the SIM reader be a cheap external accessory that you don't carry with the < 1608147012 177337 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone, like the charger, as the phone manufacturer chooses. < 1608147014 847689 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like your User page contains what is supposed to be on Profile page < 1608147103 580929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the SIM card is an active device in negotiations with the mobile phone network < 1608147114 760798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just a serial number < 1608147205 575487 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why does it have to be an active device? I mean, I could understand if it had to negotiate with the network *once*, and you couldn't bind it to a phone without that. < 1608147216 566894 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why does it have to stay that way? < 1608147220 356681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you go down that path facing mobile phone providers who like that shit becuse it's convenient for them... you'll likely end up with something resembling eSIM very very closely < 1608147248 324476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is that way because it has always been that way and the parties in power don't want to change it < 1608147270 839785 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... < 1608147325 975165 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're sort of like banks, to a lesser degree < 1608147344 812922 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, phone providers are exactly like banks < 1608147369 484016 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: it's convenient to be able to move my SIM between phones if one breaks < 1608147396 29702 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1608147408 798660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: in a different world that could be as simple as scanning a QR code < 1608147419 736114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're not living in that fantasy world < 1608147429 871229 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I meant not Profiles but People: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:People < 1608147486 386577 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. I feel like a hardware token is easier to manage, in the long run < 1608147501 696919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course a QR code can be replicated very easily while a SIM card cannot (not easily)) < 1608147549 460564 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ^ < 1608147731 179393 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: yes, I do understand that, especially that SIM cards and memory cards are more resistant to water and shock than the phone or camera around them, that's why I suggested that the SIM card should still exist as a discrete resilient piece of hardware and be rebindable to a different phone by the consumer. int-e: well... I'd sort of prefer if, after I insert my SIM to a malicious phone then to < 1608147737 187509 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :another phone, the former phone can't lie that I've reinserted the SIM to it as long as the latter phone has registered to the provider, < 1608147857 506751 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also I don't want every phone (including cheap ones and home alarms) to be required to have a good enough camera to read a QR code, but perhaps you mean that only as an alternative < 1608147968 7873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes it was supposed to be one of several ways that evolved over time < 1608148007 56597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could've started by requiring users to enter a 30 digit code into their phone the first time they use it. < 1608148033 400550 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, makes more sense. I don't insist either that there can't be cheap phones that require the SIM card to be present all the time < 1608148418 755902 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why there are User: pages in the Category:People? < 1608148452 551547 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe User pages were categorized as People to avoid duplication? < 1608148645 499517 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's just users adding themselves to that category presumably because they feel they are people < 1608148712 237038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, do we care... < 1608148754 724540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Users are people too? Sounds like some radical product design ideology to me. < 1608148803 474213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling lenient today... I'd say if the user page actually says what they did (languages designed or programs written) it can be in that category. < 1608148846 308899 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably, also might have to be written in the "he is", not "I am" narrative < 1608148855 663005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm mostly indifferent; what I said is lazy < 1608148858 770112 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if classified as such < 1608148862 717734 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*categorized < 1608148908 458877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that doesn't belong is User:Language < 1608148957 988861 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1608148970 478510 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: no. User: pages are for users of the wiki; [[Category:People]] has main namespace pages, not user namespace pages, about people, mostly famous ones, who may or may not be wiki users. < 1608149038 484363 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pznfayggczeibmma JOIN :#esoteric < 1608149064 450846 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:People for examples, there are only 67 pages in there, whereas there are about 1000 user pages < 1608149077 270266 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I was looking at a cached version apparently < 1608149128 448601 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, ais523 and cpressey have both a user page and a main namespace page < 1608149136 870653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so do you care enough to remove the category from the user pages that are in it? < 1608149154 89578 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no < 1608149160 386040 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608149211 416747 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, can I see anywhere how old a cached version of a page is? < 1608149223 142282 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I just propagate this info because I once started to edit ais's user page, and then he asked me nicely to put that information to a main namespace People page instead < 1608149235 750912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cached time: 20191229022652 Cache expiry: 86400 < 1608149243 556088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks bogus, somehow < 1608149262 224739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from view-source:https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:People when not logged in) < 1608149286 282921 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you can always just try to go to ?action=purge of the page and then click on the button to regenerate the cache if you feel like it might be old < 1608149306 846995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd rather understand why it is so old. < 1608149326 336911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't, but I can wish :P < 1608149540 751604 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas what is "planar array"? what would be a non-planar array? < 1608149548 491737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, kerning... < 1608149649 830915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/doom.png < 1608149690 853050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I genuinely misread this when I saw it on the wiki.) < 1608149726 338296 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keming? < 1608149734 723506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: exactly < 1608149762 772382 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: its domain is a square grid on the plane. I admit it's not a good phrasing that I added. < 1608149767 200620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "Dr. Doom". < 1608149811 399593 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, okay, I'll be editing it now, not sure if concurrent edits are possible < 1608149820 330707 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: the source code of unefunge or trefunge wouldn't be planar < 1608149832 618817 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1608149845 767230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that it's deliberate. < 1608149858 670394 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only knew the term "planar graph" < 1608149861 399340 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most languages just take the source code as a linear string of characters, not as a planar array < 1608149866 728306 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : is evil < 1608149878 310167 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not a good terminology, feel free to edit it to something cleaner < 1608149885 204992 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I was trying to figure out how I misconfigured my browser < 1608149888 496973 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the difference from "two-dimensional"? < 1608149892 620058 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I have cleaner phrasing for my suggestion to make Befunge a featured language. < 1608149921 28000 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e lol < 1608149925 758017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is evil. < 1608149950 532821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or was? I hope "is" is still applicable. But we haven't seen him in a long time.) < 1608150059 727384 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge's page says: Code is layed out on a two-dimensional grid of instructions < 1608150081 167840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "laid" ) < 1608150116 497771 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still mix those two up < 1608150154 711830 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why are there two space symbols between sentences? < 1608150183 884072 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, the difference is that while they once meant the same thing, one is no longer used as a word." < 1608150191 801506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about "laid" and "layed") < 1608150261 970877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe https://www.npr.org/2020/04/28/846919788/typing-debate-do-you-type-2-spaces-between-sentences-or-1 < 1608150312 956661 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, for Befunge I write "where code is stored in a two-dimensional grid of instructions, each encoded by an ASCII character" < 1608150320 297206 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://grammarist.com/style/spaces-between-sentences/ blames it on typewriters and says it should be laid to rest. < 1608150329 1391 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks a bit better < 1608150353 90758 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that opinion is disputed. I like double-spacing. < 1608150395 170025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs's auto fill agrees with having 2 spaces. I should configure it to not do that. < 1608150407 193925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ITYM "that opinion is disputed. I like double-spacing." < 1608150440 828072 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nah, on IRC I often use a less formal style, where I don't bother with consistent capitalization or punctuation < 1608150450 539391 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike it; the . is narrow enough to give the space following it a wider appearance. < 1608150483 407947 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I'm also not consistent in double-spacing sentences in places where I wrote somewhat more properly < 1608150485 600900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as with so many things this is a matter of habit and (implied, really) taste, not one of right or wrong. < 1608150514 430777 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of Mediawiki, those spaces will be collapsed by HTML rules anyway, so the distinction doesn't matter all that much > 1608150517 390112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79463&oldid=79459 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10Stbu < 1608150545 793549 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my source code comments have both single-spaced and double-spaced style < 1608150778 458673 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's the job of OS font rendering to put enough space between . and letter when there is space char in between < 1608150834 952923 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, someone has edited the page _-- < 1608150874 632096 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's fine < 1608151588 857712 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the number of new languages each year is growing https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Categories < 1608151719 546131 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised, kind of < 1608151742 260362 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's easy to make a derivative language, but... huh < 1608151750 402084 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: they're only growing if you count every page that calls itself a language. the number of *interesting* and novel languages isn't really growing. < 1608151759 758518 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean their rate of creation isn't growing. < 1608151765 44135 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1608151899 719739 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to track them making a list of "innovative languages" that would have to introduce new feature not seen in languages before them < 1608151953 119844 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I recommend the approximation to take https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ais523 and multiply it by a factor of between 2 to 6. < 1608151992 151736 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly that is not a good approximation < 1608152002 235673 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because how many ideas ais has varies a bit < 1608152172 628797 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Russian Wikipedia has a category Users Who Use IRC < 1608152207 413767 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several dozens of users there that is supposed to match those who can be contacted in the IRC channel here on Freenode < 1608152220 749182 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have the same < 1608152280 147418 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise: "Категория:Википедия:Участники IRC-канала wikipedia-ru" > 1608152580 58693 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Arrows14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79464&oldid=65721 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-23) 10wip > 1608153189 970825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79465&oldid=79303 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-24) 10More aggressive shortening > 1608153648 199677 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79466&oldid=79465 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-212) 10hm < 1608153838 925676 :adminv!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed NICK :zeroed < 1608154114 754463 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most interesting stuff I've read today on the wiki < 1608154118 739286 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using a stapler, the fork is multiplied by the sauce and the result assigned to the fork using a drinking glass. " < 1608154142 750351 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that's about https://esolangs.org/wiki/Efghij I think < 1608154147 338207 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1608154159 253519 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you remember its name < 1608154175 326342 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: it's linked from my user page < 1608154179 76834 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's the alphabet order < 1608154194 420034 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but which part of the alphabet? < 1608154200 805742 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it from the category of languages that have no code < 1608154631 701838 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a convenient representation of integers for intercal if you want to use those integers as indexes that you use to index arrays with, but you only increase or decrease them one at a time, and equality compare them, never subtract or add or less-than compare them? < 1608154772 754673 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1608154801 233272 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would have to be unambiguous, unlike that other interesting representation where you represent an integer as the difference of two ordinary integers (or the difference of an ordinary integer from twice another ordinary integer), so that you always access the same element of the array for the same integer index < 1608155053 250869 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1608155438 788729 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1608156117 167334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Depend14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79467 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1363) 10Add Depend > 1608156174 660733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79468&oldid=79461 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* D */ +[[Depend]] > 1608156216 700283 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79469&oldid=79414 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10/* Languages */ +[[Depend]] > 1608156337 478202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79470&oldid=79466 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Ini */ m < 1608156534 975629 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1608156604 739921 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608156892 274827 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1608158385 894312 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608159212 283721 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pznfayggczeibmma QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1608160066 628116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Nakilon14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79471 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+94) 10Created page with "Hello, I made [[RASEL]]. You can find me with the same nickname in IRC:Freenode and Telegram." < 1608160128 222483 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is RASEL Turing complete? I don't have a clue in these terms > 1608160561 942876 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79472&oldid=79463 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+2154) 10removed things that are already described in the article 'fungeoid'; added infobox proglang, instructions table, two basic examples < 1608160586 623692 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe it applies to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Push-down_automata as Befunge does < 1608160667 12472 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add some neat examples of using the 'a' instruction later < 1608160910 95937 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0.0.0 gem version had a bug of not having executable in it ) I've pushed the 0.0.1 version so now usage examples from README should work < 1608161793 405330 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, guys, there was a website with a game on Flash where you had to program a robot, and I can't find it < 1608161844 215353 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language was short and you could pass functions into functions < 1608161999 400931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We (as in, the channel collectively) played that one game slightly like that (which a HTML version too), but I don't think you could "pass functions into functions" in it, it was much simpler than that. < 1608162003 208713 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the game for https://adventofcode.com/2020/day/15 is http://oeis.org/A181391 < 1608162040 328136 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like a Lightbot in that thing that there is a field and you have to write instructions to only get out of this exact wield with walls, avoiding them and reach the exit < 1608162076 357240 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and solutions were ranked by the length of the code that as I said could be recursive < 1608162085 231241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that seems to be a common theme. This one had stars you needed to collect, and stay on a certain-colored square. < 1608162130 594969 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: it is Turing-complete, yes, because you can simulate any of these darned finite state control machines with a single cyclic queue of a fixed alphabet in it < 1608162154 681104 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... wait < 1608162158 742635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RoboZZle, that's what we played a bunch. < 1608162161 174119 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so sure now < 1608162251 677676 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, different attempt of proof. you can implement any [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] program in it < 1608162421 745813 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever the simulated machine stores something into a register, you push it onto the stack and keep it there forever (or push the whole register set if you prefer). you can make a loop with the directional instructions, you can load the value of any register because you know how deep it is in the stack, so you push a constant then use the a instruction to get it from the stack. then we just have to < 1608162427 763528 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :verify that you can do addition, subtraction, multiplication, and integer division, if the two arguments are on the stack. < 1608162492 598237 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or let's say, you can do those operations if you know how to push each argument to the stack < 1608162568 40515 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say >x> pushes the left argument and >y> pushes the right argument, then subtraction is >xy->, addition is >x0y-->, multiplication is >x1y//>, < 1608162568 939870 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1608162604 365919 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and integer division is >xy/:1%-> if I understand correctly how Rasel works < 1608162612 861740 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense? < 1608162634 465731 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this uses the fact that Rasel can store arbitrary precision integers on the stack of course < 1608162881 943356 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the fungeoid control flow too, I think it can even implement a machine with arbitrary finite state control and arithmetic and comparisons on several bigint registers: this time you do push the full register file to the top of the Razel stack after each simulated instruction, and use like >xy-?v> to branch down if x is lessequal to y < 1608162963 100083 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may still ask if Rasel is still turing-complete without using arbitrary size integers (or rationals, whatever), and I don't know the answer, but if it's not, then it would be with a bunch of extra registers, or with instructions that rearrange values in a top window of the stack < 1608163002 13270 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's already Turing-complete but don't want to bother proving it < 1608163432 8178 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1608164921 127334 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie that game was black and white < 1608164953 407485 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :searched both places where screenshots of mine are archived for years but could not find it ( I'm sire I had the screenshot < 1608165134 424539 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's now only deep in my Google Plus Takeout archive < 1608165314 14556 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608166515 832629 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1608166781 299936 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:50:12 does that make sense? < 1608166782 354928 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1608168291 74516 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1608168291 412204 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1608168291 848016 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycmkpokcfwvctlqo QUIT :*.net *.split < 1608168359 935816 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608168610 248244 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1608168610 308517 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycmkpokcfwvctlqo JOIN :#esoteric < 1608169398 384442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is this a cfunge bug, or am I just misinterpreting something. < 1608169444 680462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm mistaken, its & instruction is, given the input "0\n", also consuming the newline from the input, which I think it shouldn't do. < 1608169603 860936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/VorpalBlade/cfunge/blob/master/src/input.c#L167 I guess that's an intentional choice, but I don't think that's how it should work. < 1608169626 105685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Decimal input reads and discards characters until it encounters decimal digit characters, at which point it reads a decimal number from those digits, up until (but not including) the point at which input characters stop being digits, or the point where the next digit would cause a cell overflow, whichever comes first." No special rules about newlines. < 1608169780 578336 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608169865 147387 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1608169865 208612 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1608170624 916951 :stux|RC-only!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1608170729 907053 :stux|RC-only!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608171043 895470 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1608171889 133149 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1608172355 337570 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://paste.ee/p/4nJ0t < 1608172365 565593 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC is so wacky < 1608172414 202339 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how it gets the correct value for y, but not x < 1608172433 112175 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why it doesn't give any error < 1608172764 129876 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did GCC implement closures, but only one level of nesting or some shit? < 1608173094 788298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this bizarro code tdnh < 1608173149 712391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C syntax for this thing is so hard to read when you don't use typedefs. < 1608173208 857381 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a uhh (int) -> (int) -> (int) -> struct rectprism < 1608173290 167705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1608173838 779061 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcc and clang reject this < 1608173856 627305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, nested functions are a GNU extension. < 1608173881 392766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm looking at the code now and I certainly wouldn't expect this to work. < 1608173892 654574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is only valid inside some_func. < 1608173913 300747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just return it and have the closure work anywhere. < 1608173946 429186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closure has a pointer into some_func's stack frame. < 1608174113 3107 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about making ~ and & also "work as trampoline or not" on EOF instead of reversing < 1608175012 268991 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie btw my unfinished befunge-98 implementation has a bug around that -- it eats one char after integer < 1608175083 765659 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it in RASEL -- good thing Ruby provides ungetbyte method to push bytes back to the stream ..D < 1608175174 30486 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel/blob/fa758b9944e8ebd942c00b61be0c7476fe4aac4f/lib/rasel.rb#L77 > 1608176210 111614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79473&oldid=79222 5* 03Razetime 5* (+44) 10/* Looks Like */ > 1608176232 124881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79474&oldid=79473 5* 03Razetime 5* (+0) 10/* Looks Like */ < 1608178680 896053 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I like the idea that ? now jumps forward one or two cells. this way you can write arbitrary control flow in one dimensional code by like pushing a number then ?j < 1608178749 593729 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like pushing a distance, then pushing the tested number, then ?j < 1608179818 395517 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reversing ? kind of allowed that too, but yeah, it's good to keep the pointer going the same direction < 1608180638 823799 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: hmm, that's true, though then you basically need a trampoline < 1608180683 653710 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess I should say ?j$ so it discards the jump length if the branch isn't taken < 1608181241 160417 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think RASEL can indeed simulate an arbitrary finite control machine with single queue of finite alphabet. represent the alphabet with small natural numbers. if a symbol is on the top of the stack, you can do a big case distinction on it like >:?v1-:?v1-:?v1-:?v1-?v> . between states of the original machine, the stack shall contain the queue and then the length of the queue plus one over it. to < 1608181247 169090 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :push a symbol A, you can just >A\1+> . to shift a symbol and test it, you do like >:a :?v1-:?v1-:?v1-:?v1-?v> < 1608181255 120157 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to initialize an empty queue, just >1> < 1608181264 713046 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't in fact need bigints < 1608181380 129187 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this still works in single-line code, you just have to you just do L\?j$ to put the jump distance L under the number tested < 1608181517 546565 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still not clear to me if you can do an arbitrary computation in RASEL without leaving junk on the stack forever < 1608181593 564029 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the constructions I mentioned, both this one with a queue, and the one with integer registers (and, as a special case, blindfolded artithmetic, or state machine with a fixed number of stacks of finite alphabets) do leave junk on the stack. < 1608181831 222702 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you added a second memory (outside the stack) with random access load, store, and sbrk instructions, that would of course solve all the problems and make this something to which you can compile normal programs with a random-access memory. < 1608181875 561572 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the bottom of that extra memory as registers that you can load and store conveniently, which lets you rearrange the top of the stack < 1608181884 633157 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could use the rest as just read-writable memory < 1608181924 598011 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that perhaps would be a different or less esoteric language. < 1608181969 414986 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that's more suitable for golfing at least though < 1608182455 799049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KISS++ < 1608182496 279502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kissat++ < 1608182509 334507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :猫++ < 1608182818 281951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm back at it and immediately not sure what to do on the island with the broom. < 1608182861 137836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the oar. < 1608182863 259668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big spoon. < 1608182871 274353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there are too many landmarks... was there a broom? or an oar? < 1608182912 86752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently I've seen 139 landmarks) < 1608182937 866371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at 314,214. < 1608183002 41103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the map when traveling had coordinates < 1608183096 534523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there < 1608183143 915082 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: does pressing F3 reveal your coordinates perhaps? :) < 1608183297 406726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why f3 < 1608183341 310865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: may require some thought :P < 1608183347 288961 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft. < 1608183352 113108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, I already went elsewhere. < 1608183362 528664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized there was a footprint area nearby that I didn't finish. < 1608183447 42238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is solvable from just that island, it sounds like. < 1608183484 266809 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: ah one of the games that I will never play because there's only two outcomes, both bad < 1608183508 635355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: 1) I hate it. 2) I get addicted and spend the next half year solely on minecraft < 1608183552 475237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you play Factorio? < 1608183558 802575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1608183745 154036 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1608183922 523853 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: press F3 for that in Minecraft < 1608183929 838299 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, imode already told you < 1608183968 424411 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess that makes sense, int-e < 1608185570 818737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, this is definitely a glitch in how it displays this interaction. < 1608185694 351179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey maybe you've found something I don't know... I don't remember glitches < 1608185721 317521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it just snaps the tree from one place to another instead of moving continuously. < 1608185722 646973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even animation glitches < 1608185736 360926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whoa, I'm 278 islands in and only now I realize that you can stop onto short rocks? < 1608185760 908406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was a surprise to me as well < 1608185789 250893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "non-spoiler" review of the game, it distinguished between short rocks and tall rocks. < 1608185796 589547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1608185797 663638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been wondering why. I guess this it why. < 1608185879 878343 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a great twist because it gives you a pretty different flavor of puzzles < 1608185900 193608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This puzzle didn't even use it. < 1608185937 97570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they are doing a good job of introduces the mechanic first as an accident, then make use of it in later puzzles < 1608185943 903608 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you mean "step onto" or "stop on"? < 1608185956 256825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the former < 1608186361 491085 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608186529 670088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what distinction you're making. < 1608186552 677831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short rocks are elevated, and if you're also elevated, you can step onto them. < 1608186876 120278 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you made a typo < 1608186892 759188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I see it. < 1608188430 986644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm puzzled by 303,102 < 1608188606 563886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, it's another puzzle < 1608188762 591614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a tall tree, a short tree, and a short rock, if that clears it up. < 1608188900 958860 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like every 6th island :) < 1608188950 104126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd have to start up the game and I'm refusing this time) < 1608188989 610718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I didn't mean to make you start up the game. < 1608188999 781508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had it up already before, since you said 139 landmarks. < 1608189040 582958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I quit < 1608189070 587988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue I have is that they made finding islands really inconvenient < 1608189094 960774 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even navigating by coordinates is a process of trial and error < 1608189120 542950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's https://slbkbs.org/tmp/2020-12-16-231107_3840x2160.png if you're curious < 1608189196 75334 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah, that one looks fun < 1608189358 598813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 moves or so :) < 1608189488 839421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, this was so easy. < 1608189492 732772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so close the whole time. < 1608189519 307713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should set up a proxy for myself that resizes images < 1608189592 578589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could presize them. < 1608189603 117147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want them smaller? < 1608189622 298763 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the 3MB download takes noticable time for me < 1608189650 440207 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1608189652 208485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1608189678 475931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad every web page has 3MB of JavaScript these days. < 1608189679 356522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the information is still perfectly visible at 25% of the size < 1608189688 640248 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also disable JS. < 1608189694 626506 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost everywhere. < 1608189695 566968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's being upscaled from 1920x1080 anyway. < 1608189720 11287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that in JavaScript, "for (let i = 0; i < n; i++) { BODY }" is different from "{ let i; for (i = 0; i < n; i++) { BODY } }"? < 1608189727 27339 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all web pages have 3MB of JavaScript; some have less, and a few have none at all. < 1608189825 296843 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh really I didn't know < 1608189844 661221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Some also have more. < 1608189877 654506 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some have more. I don't know how much is the average < 1608189978 304204 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try to avoid it by promoting the use of plain text, simple HTML (when plain text won't do), NNTP, Gopher, simpler VMs in case you need one anyways, etc < 1608190079 486007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I want my traffic to be encryptd. I don't think Gopher supports that. < 1608190165 20004 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use Gopher or any other protocol with TLS, I suppose, but I don't know which implementations will do that. Gemini supports encryption, though. < 1608190207 335349 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course HTTP is still useful too, but there are too many complicated things and stupid things that should be avoided hopefully even when doing so < 1608190433 759464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: brb < 1608190581 93105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1608191737 815763 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1608192117 962270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm puzzled by 347,95 < 1608192177 246881 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608192280 158845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering whether there's some inter-island thing going on. < 1608192329 729386 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not unheard of < 1608192370 681090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I need to get to the other place first... < 1608192388 318587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't seem possible, and the footprints are on this island. < 1608192396 896451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the mushroom area. < 1608192402 851157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not check where that is, I'm speaking in general) < 1608192415 828616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course) < 1608192929 394315 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Sometimes there's a remote chance of making progress. ) < 1608192950 144242 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1608193111 154691 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1608193199 45242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen almost nothing use the mechanic that trees with leaves are different from trees without leaves. < 1608193204 54874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a couple of puzzles early on. < 1608193331 774620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I'm at 302 islands and 0 friends. < 1608194211 130299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen very few uses of that mechanic as well. < 1608194235 823840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1608194238 270456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible as few as one < 1608194245 197844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possibly < 1608194263 41967 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's another mechanic I've only seen once < 1608194397 345567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I'm in a snowy area that has you walking on rocks. < 1608194607 873746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an uplifting experience < 1608194700 503405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem is that it's approximately impossible for me to figure out the "parity" of a log a few moves ahead. < 1608194707 667139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so bad at that kind of thing. < 1608194747 686637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if in doubt try it out < 1608195706 51203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's enough for tonight. < 1608195707 854993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :330 islands. < 1608195737 241533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting there < 1608198382 864742 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608198732 500119 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608198803 926686 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:20:22 because the 3MB download takes noticable time for me < 1608198814 568459 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that screemshot just had to be in jpeg somehow < 1608198844 464422 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:21:18 Too bad every web page has 3MB of JavaScript these days. < 1608198850 608918 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every, only Youtube, and it gets cached < 1608198871 774649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: it's a 3840x2160.png < 1608198922 509439 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that game at all? < 1608198965 594048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Monster's Expedition < 1608199043 942348 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like sokoban < 1608199045 587188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: Nothing gets cached because I use new private browsing sessions all the time. < 1608199054 218815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's loosely based on Sokoban < 1608199061 476402 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, not only that could be in JPEG, the game state is actually 5x5 cells < 1608199065 496979 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know over trees to travel from island to island < 1608199084 302162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a screenshot, not a hyperoptimized transfer of state. < 1608199107 635013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1608199109 933313 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshots don't have to be in png < 1608199113 706183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :know over -> knock over < 1608199147 151317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: what else could they be; PCX doesn't have enough colors < 1608199154 342356 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMP is to micro-softy < 1608199166 316197 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you make private youtube browsing sessions? < 1608199172 621202 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing illegal on youtube < 1608199221 558190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is BMP Microsofty? < 1608199322 761301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it first appeared in Windows 3.x < 1608199361 976751 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even Windows 2.0 but who ever even used that... < 1608199366 401790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's the origin of the format, but the format itself? < 1608199376 948408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was used heavily in OS/2 as well. < 1608199388 361462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/BMPfileFormat.png < 1608199403 143704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still only see BMP files in Windows. < 1608199473 695735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice most of the pictures I have are PNG and JPEG anyway. < 1608199496 518154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it makes very much sense for screenshots to default to PNG. < 1608199550 173952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably people could do way better than JPEG nowadays for lossy image compression? < 1608199566 158338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can. < 1608199656 242385 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's JPEG2000 which is burdened by patents... I suppose webp is the latest attempt to overcome JPEG? < 1608199690 944508 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not make sense to screenshot games in png < 1608199733 417185 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the games use jpeg by default in their built-in screenshoting feature < 1608199742 344439 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they realise this thing < 1608199868 673066 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately unlike jpeg the webp is being changed everyday -- they patch the format and the CLI webp converter tools become incompatible even with Google Chrome < 1608200238 181276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use a built-in screenshotting feature. < 1608200257 86270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have one screenshot button, and it shoots the exact pixels that are on screen. < 1608200261 280111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I have more than that? < 1608200285 512981 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpeg does not mean it takes another number of pixels < 1608200354 133388 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1608200391 306560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jpeg is not a good default for screenshots < 1608200418 42470 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1608200496 103246 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why Steam makes screenshots in jpeg too < 1608200501 709263 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshots should be lossless by default, to preserve small details and text < 1608200505 678155 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1608200531 742276 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :games don't have small details and text < 1608200538 134977 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are games < 1608200544 114727 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDNywILJMGg < 1608200545 59876 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, sure they do? < 1608200548 512689 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the game < 1608200549 716118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( somebody has never playeed TIS-100 ) < 1608200550 684424 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silicon Zeroes < 1608200553 164271 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : game < 1608200561 4918 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes no sense < 1608200578 661577 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe a fairly large fraction of games contain dialogue < 1608200584 650913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many games that feature lots of text < 1608200602 351063 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:08:10 it does not make sense to screenshot games in png < 1608200618 537914 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did I say here that it makes no sense to screenshot small details and text in png? < 1608200620 970108 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :games != irc < 1608200628 343769 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :games != websites < 1608200631 412202 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if the only games you play are fast-paced games rendered with a 3D engine you're probably right < 1608200632 189372 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games often have small details and text < 1608200633 246098 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :games != terminal logs < 1608200645 171353 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :many games have small details and text < 1608200659 512834 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you probably want crisp screenshots :p < 1608200674 719078 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't really matter though < 1608200681 925313 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of games also have large regions of flat colours, which I believe is very suitable for PNG < 1608200685 64955 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make sense to have it be a setting I guess < 1608200690 167856 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there are many games that" does not negate the fact that most of the games don't have it < 1608200693 553498 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no logic < 1608200695 678013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, even for 3D games I'd prefer lossless screenshots; I can always compress them myself later. < 1608200697 424217 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the games I play do < 1608200724 681691 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you care what other people use to take screenshots of things to show to still other people? < 1608200728 623246 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, I guess you just were never really making screenshots < 1608200759 39682 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't realise that even if the game has 75% of screen scape of one flat color it still does not make png screenshot smaller < 1608200771 320357 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*75% of screen space < 1608200796 812340 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: Batsharks are people too! < 1608200806 304121 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, why do you care < 1608200829 916836 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in fact the screenshots you were sharing today were not from TIS, they were from the average game < 1608200831 187250 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1608200835 47040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless, we were discussing a default of builtin OS functionality, and there's simply no argument to be made for using JPEG in that context. < 1608200838 112364 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was 3mb while could be 300kb < 1608200854 432785 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also depends on the lossiness of the jpeg, no? < 1608200870 218161 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :default OS functionality has nothing to do with png, it takes shots in bmp < 1608200888 13274 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm missing some context here, idk < 1608200905 781930 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that depends on which OS you're using. Many of us do not use Windows < 1608200907 143578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said anything about the number of pixels? I care about the content of the pixels. < 1608200920 139167 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the job of additional software to convert the clipboard to png or jpeg and you usually have a choice that you may want to do carefully < 1608200921 271621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have one screenshot button. I don't really want a different kind of screenshot for games. < 1608200932 821000 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshots on my computer take PNG by default < 1608200955 21106 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb pretty sure every OS stores clipboard as bitmap < 1608200986 160016 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I press my print screen button, it saves a PNG in my Pictures directory. < 1608200992 939687 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done no configuration to set this up < 1608200993 968893 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, you confuse all the things with each other < 1608201003 793062 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer, keyboard, software, clipboard < 1608201011 822445 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the default on my OS and desktop environment < 1608201034 330179 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know why you care so much about this < 1608201040 582638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the one bringing all these things up. I have no clipboard. Screenshots get saved into the screenshot directory. < 1608201043 299405 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the screenshots I've apparently taken in steam, I think I'm happier with all four as png's than jpg's :p < 1608201044 662830 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1608201054 443064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set up my own screenshot thing which is better than the system I've seen in any OS by default. < 1608201083 951325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You press Print Screen, and it shows a little modal menu at the top of the screen, and then you press w to screenshot a window, r to screenshot the whole screen, or s to select a region. < 1608201103 625498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of memorizing Alt+PrtScr or Cmd+Shift+5 or some nonsense like that. < 1608201149 462680 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1608201152 515226 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the thing is that you just don't care how your tools are configured < 1608201162 648993 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf clearly cares < 1608201170 894467 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you care about how I take screenshots < 1608201187 459705 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in result you throw screenshots that weight 3mb and have only 25 bytes of meaningfull data in it < 1608201189 122950 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the thing you care about is starting arguments? < 1608201198 137447 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question... what's a clipboard :P < 1608201209 239272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about active selections < 1608201217 454226 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was no problem in it there would be no message in this chat: "hey, why your screenshot is 3mb" -- it was not me who said that < 1608201231 420316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's one of the X11 selections. < 1608201235 687007 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are suffering from your own unwilling to learn about image formats < 1608201240 918351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD are the two standard ones. < 1608201251 734427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sadly X11 *does* have a clipboard mechanism, and I always have to jump through hoops to work with software that uses it) < 1608201263 789351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it about image formats that I haven't learned that you're saying I need to learn? < 1608201290 788405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the real problem is that my screenshot was only 3 millibits, and that's not nearly enough information. < 1608201356 853354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uploaded a 3 MB screenshot because the thing I want by default -- when I don't think about it -- is a lossless reproduction of my screen. When I think about it I can switch to something else. < 1608201363 856440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I getting into this again? < 1608201371 839635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I may have complained about the size, but I still consider that to be *my* problem, not shachaf's. < 1608201386 258502 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0480e-37.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1608201402 866689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Speaking of images, I wrote a sonnet and got cat pictures! < 1608201408 380282 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608201410 763150 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw on Twitter! It was a good sonnet < 1608201415 306112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are the cutest, huh? < 1608201417 199143 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e you can barely control how you obtain the data < 1608201427 361822 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a problem of data provider to provide good api, good formats < 1608201428 752550 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sure are < 1608201435 157409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: But I can. < 1608201444 53258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :我喜欢猫 < 1608201458 516651 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could use some better website integration, something that asks what format to use for sharing or convert automatically < 1608201489 397952 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anche mi piacciono i gatti < 1608201492 436269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: But it's bad style to expect others to solve your problems for you, unless you're paying for it. < 1608201515 948482 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in >99% of cases there would be nothing bad if his screenshot was converted on the website to jpeg for sharing < 1608201530 95109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll solve your problems for you! < 1608201537 70447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you express them as 2SAT instances. < 1608201563 865313 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e he gave you the problem, it's his problem < 1608201589 502867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/help ignore < 1608201596 463150 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he pressed the printscreen < 1608201652 771456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Remind me, are you into SAT solvers? < 1608201659 227859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like everyone is these days. < 1608201664 122703 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is insane < 1608201668 514199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 2SAT is so limited... < 1608201687 418907 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :send me all the pngs < 1608201698 914328 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will look at them and devise < 1608201738 182401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Hmm, OK, I'll let you use arbitrary Horn clauses. < 1608201769 919864 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I have used Horn clauses. < 1608201771 308377 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of you is sharing a screenshot in not suitable format, another one highlights the problem and when I come to help solving it I get "stop arguing" themed responses < 1608201789 323537 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too am confused what’s clipboard to do with all that. I have a little program which doesn’t leave anything in clipboard when it takes a shot < 1608201796 308061 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was for a while but I haven't been thinking about them for a while < 1608201929 484329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I think you're missing something about, I don't know, magnitude or weight or something. < 1608201957 606691 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv that program calls API of your OS that returns it in BMP or specified format, that program might be configurable or improved < 1608201971 803795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mentioned that 3MB was kind of big (and said they themselves wanted to take care of it for themselves, not even requested that anyone else do anything). < 1608201998 361356 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yep it’s configurable and spews me out a png to a folder < 1608202010 383846 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clipboard mess < 1608202012 508738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that, took it into account, and slightly adjusted my weights in the future. Maybe next time I'll resize or convert the image, or maybe I'll just think about it. < 1608202024 873672 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of content in internet isn't what the read requestor should care -- he can't compress it on the source < 1608202063 130590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all that needed to happen here, for either party. It's not a binary thing that is either broken or solved, just a continuum of preferences and things that you can adjust a bit. < 1608202085 288918 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now I personally have a pretty good internet access so I would be glad to download maybe even a bmp < 1608202086 654668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So insisting that people adjust all sorts of things immediately with a particular solution you have in mind doesn't really help. < 1608202102 298785 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6ae6-35.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1608202127 529008 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many people, I think, will be not against downloading bmp :) < 1608202141 672481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether you read what int-e said, but it was an idea about having a proxy that resizes images. Which is in the requester's control. < 1608202152 475521 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching to using non optimal data formats just because you've got faster internet is the same wrong thing as starting making worse software with worse algorithms just because you've got faster computers < 1608202189 326288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3840*2160*3 / 1024^2 < 1608202190 641977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"optimal" only makes sense in the context of optimizing something. What are you optimizing? < 1608202191 790274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 23.73046875 < 1608202250 353624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak < 1608202251 18180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 171041Z 16009KT 3SM -RA BR SCT006 BKN010 OVC024 13/11 A2998 RMK AO2 P0007 T01330106 < 1608202275 668914 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one thing I've been thinking about is a SAT solver that aims to create as human-understandable proofs as possible < 1608202302 861676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting. What would those look like? < 1608202320 662821 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realise the price you pay for internet would be several times smaller if people were not playing 4k videos on their broken glass 720p phones turned on behind their backs while they are cooking? < 1608202329 812674 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( brain saturation ) < 1608202350 985237 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that's likely false < 1608202375 906083 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all the clauses would have to be named, and the solver would report things like "By clause xyz, we know that variable t must be false" < 1608202402 530308 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is overpolluted by data that isn't used and we pay for all the infrastructure for it < 1608202405 340991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: the technology you're talking about is only being deployed because people actually use the bandwidth. < 1608202437 496756 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :effective data barely gets larger but the price stays the same let's say $20 per months no matter how better the hardware gets < 1608202447 834272 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people think "hey I've got so much room, lets trash it" < 1608202450 760867 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd need to try and find a shallow proof when it needs to speculate, but I'm not sure which dimension it'd need to be shallow < 1608202476 120722 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even knowing that when they buy the "100mbit internet" it's only measured in peak < 1608202481 448127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an alternative history where nobody ever dared to use bandwidth you might be spending $20 a months plus a fixed rate per minute on dual ISDN lines. < 1608202495 403656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more, $20 seems rather low < 1608202597 915268 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pay $8 < 1608202605 908060 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in not the most technologically developed country < 1608202612 483210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What sorts of proofs are you thinking of applying this to? < 1608202616 724463 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can realise how much you overpay < 1608202626 466225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether you'd rather have something higher-level than SAT for expressing things. < 1608202626 781168 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of people watching 4k with their backs < 1608202629 200098 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mostly little puzzle games like what's in sgtpuzzles < 1608202639 27014 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, that's what inspired me down this line of thought < 1608202643 840288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1608202655 232921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human solutions to these puzzles often look pretty different from computer solutions. < 1608202674 385597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that's way too simplistic. the rates are in a large part arbitrary and determined by available income of the people < 1608202683 950403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a free market, by and large < 1608202697 489917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since humans are bad at backtracking, so they try to minimize it and find very short paths to contradictions. < 1608202708 801258 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will spend all their income without need getting anything for that < 1608202731 70723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: humans will often prove lemmas that aren't expressed in a couple of clauses (which DPLL might learn) < 1608202772 432408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some puzzles are just not particularly human-solvable, even if they're in NP. < 1608202787 485829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since "having a human solution path" is a stronger constraint than "having a solution". < 1608202812 39272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is that a human doesn't just want to satisfy the puzzle, they want to satisfy it uniquely, right? < 1608202842 802013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, it depends on the human :) < 1608202870 509733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'm proposing some model of what it means to be human-solvable, or human-fun. < 1608202882 374905 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of these puzzles have a unique solution by design (and I have taken that as an assumption in solving puzzles in the past) < 1608202882 756916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking for myself, yes, I'm happier knowing that a solution is unique < 1608202902 139028 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at some advanced Sudoku solving patterns... not all people care. < 1608202926 219129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted another sudoku: https://logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Benutzer/eingestellt.php?name=shachaf < 1608202935 642513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1608202937 472125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's that interesting. < 1608202939 694560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I do. < 1608202962 281498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some sense it's just an easier version of the 6-12 sudoku that int-e already solved. < 1608202981 229652 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: somehow, today's AoC task doesn't look very twisty :P < 1608202986 263055 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you care about how the puzzle is solved, any solution will do, we have cool intel cpus in 2020 < 1608202998 482056 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just bruteforce it < 1608203008 653102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I *just* regenerated the plot, like, five minutes ago. < 1608203010 719304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: it's called an intellectual challenge < 1608203015 837263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the four sudoku puzzles I posted, one of them can be solved entirely with unit propagation. < 1608203036 484190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which maybe counts as extremely boring? < 1608203042 11523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, it's not very twisty. < 1608203069 202294 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just press the button "download the solution" and it downloads and I have it < 1608203070 397086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to struggle with it though. < 1608203127 971464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, now I've got an actual wrapper script to do the "fetch any new leaderboards, if there were any update the dataframe and redraw the plots"; http://ix.io/2Ip8 < 1608203143 67570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't scp the results or run with cron yet, though. < 1608203164 283799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it makes the assumption that if it's more than 2 hours after midnight Eastern time, it's okay to download the day's leaderboard. < 1608203186 210658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if they do a trickier puzzle that takes more than 2 hours for the 100th person to solve, that might fail. < 1608203199 231376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that assumption has worked out fine so far. < 1608203340 332211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a historically pretty sound assumption, violated by 6 days out of 142. < 1608203362 145779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of those were in 2015? < 1608203389 335119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 days 1, 19 and 22; 2016 day 11; 2018 day 15; and 2019 day 22. < 1608203450 19638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On which days the 100th person took approximately 186, 232, 183, 164, 143 and 124 minutes to get two stars, respectively. < 1608203547 803192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, I remember wondering on day 22 last year why it was so hard :P < 1608203572 850296 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may do again those messages that I assume to be rude, such as "you are looking for arguing" or "/help ignore" but I'm still amazed by how bad the idea is to make an end consumer of IRC screenshot links to setup and configure some proxy for his personal internet browsing instead of storing the content in a proper format in the first place, < 1608203573 25719 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he won't know he wants that piece of data compressed until he click the link and see that "oh it's that game screenshot" so he'll have to switch all his way of browsing the internet to a proxy solution and then switch to uncompressed format and redownload the link again if he sees "ah, this has details I should now turn the proxy off" just < 1608203573 25765 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some people are lazy to find a better way of sharing screenshots < 1608203603 813681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: nobody is making me do anything here < 1608203605 106912 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tell me if the message didn't fit the irc limit if you care) < 1608203988 823328 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608204628 511386 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am not very good at these fancy sudokus < 1608204638 255268 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too great at regular sudokus, come to that < 1608204677 183602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The middle two are easier than the other two. < 1608204679 192928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the fancy ones may be easier than the regular ones because they rely less on obscure patterns that only sudoku experts have internalized < 1608204706 427240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also plausible. < 1608204711 285485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm not a Sudoku expert.) < 1608204714 221310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constraints for all of these puzzles are very strong. < 1608204726 923501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no clues, I think the most recent one has 288 solutions. < 1608204735 164435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the others were also in the range of hundreds. < 1608204889 176130 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608205365 545046 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't a true Sudoku puzzle must have only one solution? < 1608205424 985691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: yes, but (to me) it still feels awkward to rely on that information without verification < 1608205758 238123 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1608205803 530971 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pen and paper puzzle should have a unique solution that can be reached through deduction alone < 1608205840 399724 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is debate about whether or not the solver should exploit uniqueness to make deductions < 1608205980 547041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deduction" means you find a satisfying assignment, and then you rule that one out, and then it's UNSAT, right? < 1608206030 709541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: assuming X, you can show that there is not exactly one solution. Can you conclude not X? < 1608206057 818615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I know the uniqueness thing you mean. < 1608206080 441224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some puzzles it's very blatant and happens all the time. < 1608206094 196374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With sudoku it's kind of rare but still happens. < 1608206414 445051 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1608207033 163528 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608207536 365617 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very interesting imo < 1608207579 302757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a sudoku variant that said: Solve this sudoku such that the highlighted cells, taken on their own, are enough for a unique solution. < 1608207619 362214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooph < 1608207637 594391 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608207701 52010 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :feed it to a QBF solver :/ < 1608207761 694812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many quantifiers do you need? Just two, right? < 1608207777 744869 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exists ... forall, one alternation < 1608207788 921893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all the SMT solvers do exists-forall nowadays. < 1608207817 584015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is stretching the meaning of SMT a bit. < 1608208702 211919 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/irrationalconcepts/oops-all-edges <-- don't know if this is relevant, but it is amusing (maybe not for the solver) < 1608210689 696090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your RAM shielded... https://www.zdnet.com/article/academics-turn-ram-into-wifi-cards-to-steal-data-from-air-gapped-systems/ :-/ < 1608210848 855085 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh there's a list of more techniquess like it at the bottom, some of which I didn't know about. < 1608210855 418561 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but the PC must be trojaned before? < 1608210865 717113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: for this, yep < 1608210900 602982 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what is called 'side-channel attack' < 1608210908 2399 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, though < 1608211018 767755 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"play sound from power supply" < 1608211063 702953 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: didn't get it too < 1608211115 998549 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have anybody using Tarski's world? < 1608211124 861703 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth it? < 1608211137 694192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: you can modulate the power consumption of a processor or GPU and that will affect electromagnetic transformers and potentially other elements on a PSU < 1608211167 910258 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa: so I imagine that's the kind of thing they're doing < 1608211826 871077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what should I do? < 1608211827 334293 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: madam president, the fnord of older civilisations, allow me to make a strong commitment to the aim and objectives of the lisbon target, that is of course a large number of juvenile fish caught. if this money is however coming entirely from national sources and include statistics from greece for the last time i take the view that little or nothing can be paid out or which biometric risks need to be discussed and that a co < 1608211876 704451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty good < 1608211890 739711 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost sorry that it got cut off < 1608211938 170888 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1608212051 950200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the famous Lisbon target of catching a lotta fish. < 1608212167 585134 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1608212168 21518 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1608214291 429429 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608214311 722003 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1608214441 531971 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608214674 307660 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I should set up a proxy for myself that resizes images" => set it up with three backends, one for each continents, so it only has to transmit the smaller image under the ocean. :-) < 1608214748 742091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right < 1608214972 529663 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I didn't use a built-in screenshotting feature. / I just have one screenshot button, and it shoots the exact pixels that are on screen. / Why would I have more than that?" => well, sometimes the screenshot feature built into a game could save an image that is a larger part of the level than fits to the screen and that you would scroll on the screen in-game and when viewing later < 1608215075 663217 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( isn't shooting screens rather expensive in the long run ) < 1608215431 106864 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use any sort of OS built-in screnshot functionality. I make screenshots with the screenshot features built into GIMP or Irfanview, because if I take a screenshot, I always want to post-process it, like decide whether to keep or discard it, crop, possibly color reduce, possibly censor parts, occasionally stitch multiple screenshots, decide how to encode, decide the filename. You need a graphics < 1608215437 93710 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :editor for some of that, and they can already do all the steps that come up, so there's no point to use anything else. < 1608215485 560511 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS functionality made sense when all it did was read the characters from the video memory and send them to the line printer, and you didn't have the hardware to load a graphics editor program for that. < 1608215549 28344 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" send me all the pngs" => sorry, I refuse because I take most of them for work, and they may contain trade secrets < 1608215567 387397 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even our trade secrets, but secrets of our customers and partners. < 1608215637 606290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell when [REDACTED INTERNAL TOOL] added a dark mode at a glance by looking at the overall luminance of my screenshot history. < 1608215647 563832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when I turned it on, not exactly when they added it. < 1608215705 212992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard web 3.11 API for detecting if the user prefers a dark theme or a light one? I imagine there must be. < 1608215732 807243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a CSS media selector. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/prefers-color-scheme < 1608215768 357002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you have set privacy.resistFingerprinting to true, prefers-color-scheme preference is overridden to light." Tradeoffs, tradeoffs. > 1608215894 947094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MiniStringFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79475&oldid=60958 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* See also */ m < 1608215907 247499 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It'd need to try and find a shallow proof when it needs to speculate, but I'm not sure which dimension it'd need to be shallow" => maximum stack depth of when you try multiple values of a variable backtrackingly, after tail call optimization, I think. > 1608215923 589536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PlusOrMinus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79476&oldid=78344 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10/* Original version */ m > 1608216087 628039 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MangularJS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79477&oldid=78014 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Stack class */ link < 1608216130 637321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I missed that... depth is not necessarily a problem when it's all unit propagation or very shallow subproofs that fall into a pattern > 1608216147 599514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79478&oldid=79116 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10Update < 1608216157 302594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is similar to TCO < 1608216218 91357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a related problem where you try to assess the difficulty of a puzzle to a human. < 1608216240 999476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably harder because you have to account for experience somehow. < 1608216262 315883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe not significantly harder. < 1608216350 667788 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, while we're at puzzles, I'll just mention something I was idly wondering about < 1608216427 111442 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the following single-player game. the level is a maze that's a graph with rooms for vertices and (undirected) corridors for edges. one vertex is marked as the player's location, and one as the goal. < 1608216451 529236 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608216468 792567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Not quite Hunt the Wumpus ) < 1608216617 107443 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :each edge has a door. doors come in triples: each door is marked with a pair of a name and a state, where the state is one of open, ajar, closed, and each pair can only occur at most once. you can't walk through a closed door, and you can walk through an open door without any side effect. but when you walk through an ajar door, then it changes to open, the open door with the same name shuts to closed, < 1608216623 108607 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the closed door with the same name changes to ajar, simultaneously. states of the doors with different name don't change during that, and the names of doors never change. < 1608216712 158134 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1608216722 987064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... for each name, there are always three door, in a permutation of those three states? < 1608216731 938490 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :three door*s* < 1608216773 229781 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving this puzzle is clearly in PSPACE, but I'd like to know what computational complexity it has more preciesly. with doors I can simulate one-way corridors, and level crossings (in case you want a planar graph). I can also make a level that takes exponential number of steps to solve, using a simple binary counter. but I don't know if you can simulate general binary storage. < 1608216779 252619 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes < 1608216838 350579 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and the three have a cyclic order, you can only pass through them in that order and not backwards, though you can pass through the same door multiple times without affecting that cyclic order, even if you pass through other doors between. and the cyclic order isn't quite enough, because the starting state has to be observed. < 1608216856 279610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you can put all the open doors in an unreachable area if you like < 1608216863 192987 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes. < 1608216876 815462 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the toggle mechanic is the most relevant < 1608216892 31176 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other question that I'd like to know, besides computational complexity, is whether it's possible to make interesting puzzle levels from this, that is, ones that have only few doors and yet aren't trivial to solve. < 1608216920 169346 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no < 1608216927 331424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1608216930 662689 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not a toggle mechanic, it's always a cyclic permutation of three < 1608216947 107126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cyclic shift, never mind < 1608216983 891916 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can simulate a toggle where you have to pass two *directed* corridor-paths alternatingly, using multiple doors, if you wish < 1608217000 971886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A O C) < 1608217005 308108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that intentional? > 1608217005 323494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Terse14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79479&oldid=37471 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-71) 10Introduction, proper == < 1608217009 617810 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no < 1608217020 154752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fun coincidence then < 1608217022 683384 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1608217043 857007 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a low entropy one though < 1608217044 989354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it easier to remember < 1608217095 60646 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1608217159 226101 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, I'd also like to know if you can make interesting puzzle levels from some extensions of this; and references for where something like this game is already known < 1608217167 85754 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-A-.-C-.-O-. all with the same name is a directed edge (with some irrelevant extra state in the first door) :) < 1608217306 202330 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, something to ponder... these kinds of things tend to take some time < 1608217313 152798 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I imagine it drawn more nethack-like: .#\#.#+#.#-#. where \ is an ajar door, + a closed door, - or | an open door in a horizontal or vertical corridor resp, and there's a letter close to each door next to the corridor that shows the names, plus there's color < 1608217378 172417 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if those states really only have just two edges, then optionally draw them on one corridor without a room, like .#\##+##-#. > 1608217386 410065 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DGCK81LNN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79480&oldid=77358 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+640) 10 < 1608217411 66049 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still allow the player to stand in those virtual rooms, because in the general case you may want to stop and turn in any of those places < 1608217419 346111 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :general case as in the names of the doors can differ < 1608217754 518428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unidecode $'\u26c4' < 1608217755 539450 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW] < 1608217759 304687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that almost a contradiction? And why did I only know learn that exists, when http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ has been a thing for years. < 1608217828 706182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⛄☃ < 1608217829 556725 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW] [U+2603 SNOWMAN] < 1608217855 228623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's plastic or chocolate < 1608217872 149473 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no snowwoman < 1608217926 699084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🌨🏔 < 1608217928 912875 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1F328 CLOUD WITH SNOW] [U+1F3D4 SNOW CAPPED MOUNTAIN] < 1608217960 492180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I skipped the snowflakes and some kanji) < 1608217994 88424 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know what a snowman without snow is, but I feel repulsion towards the concept. I learned to ski as a small child, and a few times I had the terrible occasion to try these dry (i.e. without snow) ski pistes, where you ski on plastic tennis court floor with lubricants, and they're a really bad experience. I do admit that it's much cheaper than traveling to real ski pistes, so it's not just < 1608218000 94404 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless torture for children, but it's still torture. The dry piste is entirely flat with none of the interesting texture variations that a real snow terrain causes, and even besides that it feels bad. < 1608218066 909060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` unidecode $'\u26c7' # you also skipped < 1608218067 874748 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+26C7 BLACK SNOWMAN] < 1608218080 503000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which could just be a soot-covered one in the city. < 1608218156 877115 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah yes, and I assume you combine any of these basic snowman code points with gender symbols, skin tone modifiers, hairstyle modifiers, eyelash style modifiers, eye color modifiers, height modifiers, chin shape modifiers, nose shape modifiers, headgear modifiers, etc, to get more complex characters < 1608218168 365854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shapes my browser's choice of fonts have for SNOWMAN, SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW and BLACK SNOWMAN are all completely different. SNOWMAN is this outline, BLACK SNOWMAN is filled but still just a (different) black-and-white shape, and SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW is this coloured monstrosity. < 1608218187 475302 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps with some vegetable emoji code points too to get snowman with particular vegetables used as their nose < 1608218270 384853 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps the plain snowman is from smaller fonts and the others from huge fallback fonts, and perhaps one is rendered as an emoji by default and the others aren't. you could try to force the font and the emojiness if you wish. < 1608218283 255709 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emojis in unicode should be uninvented < 1608218307 453840 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unintroduced, unimplemented, burnt with fire < 1608218316 618666 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :outroduced? < 1608218402 827379 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie did you solve day 3 part 2? < 1608218459 136353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't touch day 3 yet (in Befunge-98). I've done days 1, 2, 5, 6 and first half of day 8. < 1608218459 826013 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it needs rereading the stdin and so storing it < 1608218571 121061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you *could* evaluate all five slopes at once as you go through it, though then you'd need to keep five counters at once (in addition to the current location). < 1608218605 801043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for day 3 I couldn't decide whether it would be okay to use the `i` instruction or not. < 1608218630 4787 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the debugger you use look like? I see different images in google image search < 1608218651 372926 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do ...........A,@ in random places and run until it hits and halts < 1608218651 618196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, I'd kind of like all the solutions to keep the same structure of just reading puzzle input from stdin, but `i` needs a file name. I could use /dev/stdin maybe. < 1608218783 727492 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe '-'? < 1608218798 50303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that'd work in the implementations I've got. < 1608218803 935596 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's some standard for naming the stdin, didn't know about /dev/stdin < 1608218837 201207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty common, yes, but it needs the program to interpret it. /dev/stdin has some chance of working even when not explicitly supported. < 1608218897 653624 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just skip until the next line, then skip number of chars calculated with modulo, but the case of "down 2" would need something else < 1608218934 75244 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like passing the how many times you skip until newline < 1608218937 932044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't really have a "debugger" as such. I've been making do with `cfunge -t 10` (which just prints a trace like http://ix.io/2Ia8 out), plus that JS debugger (which has okay single-stepping and visualization, but can't do input, so it can only be used on fragments). I have a lot of ideas I'd like to see in my dream Befunge development tool (like per-cell annotations that'd be automatically shown on < 1608218943 938411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :a multi-line status line), but it'd take effort to implement that. < 1608218965 560149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a bunch of Befunge-93 browser things, but for '98 the implementation situation seems a bit more bare. < 1608218998 106774 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately Ruby isn't tuned for GUI apps < 1608219007 857879 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it has no cool libraries < 1608219038 298191 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some monstrous bindings, and when someone tried to make it as simple as possible that resulted in something limited < 1608219059 664683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a TUI is what I'd like anyway. I've been eyeing tcell (in Go) if I do start making it. < 1608219062 314814 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wxwidgets were segfaulting and then abandoned AFAIK < 1608219205 155475 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses would do the job but it would also have to intercept the stdout < 1608219248 764023 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be a problem though < 1608219340 919596 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I've got so much things to do and now I want to implement the debugger, oh no... < 1608219356 384676 :jess!jess@freenode/staff/jess QUIT :Quit: updates < 1608219474 591242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the playfield grid view to show cell values 32-126 as their printable ASCII counterparts, values 1-31 using the braille patterns as binary, value 0 maybe as WHITE DIAMOND and values <0 and >=127 as BLACK DIAMOND (of course showing the actual value on the status line). < 1608219479 817993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want two rows reserved for the cell annotations shown permanently, and I'd use the top line by convention for stack annotations, and I want the enter key to switch focus between the grid and the annotation window. < 1608219484 749690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want arrow keys to also as a side effect change the direction into which the cursor moves when you insert a character, but I also want to allow specifying a vector directly. < 1608219490 463701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want mod-space to set a mark that can be used to define a highlighted rectangular region, which can also have other rectangles or individual cells added to or removed from, so that the arbitrarily shaped region can then be moved around or copied. Possibly rotated with automatic treatment of <>v^ too (I know some Befunge IDEs do that), though I'm a bit ambivalent about that. < 1608219631 195619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obviously I also want a single-stepping debugger that defaults the grid to a view mode, but also allows switching the grid to edit mode to tweaks, and also shows (and allows changing) the stack. < 1608219670 538685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I want the grid view section to be arbitrarily splittable to frames which each have their own origin, though can also be set to track a specific IP. < 1608219692 491018 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rasel would not need to display program space values since you don't write to it < 1608219725 154330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BefungeSharp might be closest already existing thing to what I want, and if it wasn't Windows-only, I might even consider using it. < 1608219737 889054 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead would need to display more stack values I guess < 1608219767 329338 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, C# < 1608219788 998295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine you might want something like different stack value display options, in case you often have complex data in a single value. < 1608219854 733831 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals need more space than integers, yeah < 1608219915 732491 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't use numbers with fractional parts a lot but they exist at least temporary, when you emulate multiplication < 1608219930 35939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing that exists is Bequnge, but I think it goes a little too far into the >2D stuff, visualizations, and sound effects. https://hatstand.github.io/Bequnge/screenshots.html < 1608219973 593215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, as the author of GLfunge98, which was supposed to do exactly those similar things (except I abandoned it ages ago) I shouldn't probably be allowed to criticize. < 1608220002 13835 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, 3d, needs VR < 1608220063 595193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an HP-UX port of GLfunge98, which I find pleasantly odd. < 1608220104 515768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Huh, has it really been 20 years since I did that? Feels like just yesterday.) < 1608220647 169347 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608221288 387574 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmbmcltopzjbaekd JOIN :#esoteric < 1608221579 513474 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1608221823 657064 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1608221833 411633 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Cat program have to exit with 0? < 1608221870 120864 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1608221880 637383 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /foo exits with 1 < 1608221929 116598 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my BSD one exits with 0 < 1608221940 766362 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1608221955 5361 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it exists with 1 < 1608221965 634527 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should it exit with 0 on success? < 1608222443 695068 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. most programs should exit with 0 exit code on success, with the exception of a few programs that are specifically useful to test some condition, like test and grep < 1608222492 914644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the answer is yes. we can fit it into the framework of https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.1895 using a door gadget like https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/aoc.png (which makes liberal use of directed edges as explained earlier) < 1608222541 613786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the most relevant door is the blue door at the bottom (I should have highlighted it somehow); the diagram shows the open state at the top and the closed state below < 1608222665 857640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(updated with a bit of emphasis for the relevant door) < 1608222719 722571 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, I didn't recall the exact conditions of that article. I'll have to re-read some of it. so apparently it's enough to have one door, one open button, and one close button linked together, rather than, say, multiple open buttons or multiple doors linked? < 1608222755 895185 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep, one path is enough. furthermore, it's okay if the open path doesn't always work < 1608222767 944989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just adding a bypass like I did is okay < 1608222825 144450 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that part is from the earlier Sokoban article, not this one < 1608222835 386006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1608223005 978240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost track of the articles. The requirements of the door gadget can be found there anyway. < 1608223237 218691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and crossover isn't needed as long as the graph is not required to be planar) < 1608223273 961970 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sure, but for this game we can create a crossover gadget (though it's not cheap, so in a real puzzle version you might add that and one-way doors as primitives) < 1608223287 155847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but in fact we can make one with the same principle shown by the green and red doors, without the blue one) < 1608223308 424295 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did say above that I can make a crossover < 1608223324 247101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I didn't read, I was busy making my own gadget. < 1608223345 732968 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense, since I didn't say how to create a crossover < 1608223487 781883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh wait. I should've seen it, but I skipped the middle part and focussed on the binary counter... < 1608223538 293583 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you even mentioned directed edges there < 1608223548 846905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one-way corridors) < 1608223798 475087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: for puzzles though I guess you have to work actively against the fact that 2/3 of all edges are passable at any given time < 1608223800 528740 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those are bisimulable with one-way gadgets < 1608223851 161825 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a one-way corridor, you can just add a one-way gadget before and a one-way gadget after; to make a one-way gadget, make a one-way edge with an irrelevant open door < 1608223852 936186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So naively, I'd expect random puzzles to be very easy.) < 1608223893 852756 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that would depend on how you sample random, but yes, I also figured it's not easy to just generate good puzzles randomly < 1608223929 153527 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are too many graphs and possiblel levels to brute force search all of them for potentially interesting ones < 1608224030 214000 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adding one-ways and/or crossovers (or teleporters) as primitives doesn't change any of that < 1608224055 810762 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it makes making puzzles slightly easier, but it still seems hard that way < 1608224142 133830 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just defined the base game without them for simplicity and elegance < 1608224191 809205 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would add such convenience things to a real puzzle implementation, because they make the puzzle easier to understand by humans. crossovers and one-ways are natural to understand, they make the puzzle easier to learn and navigate than the corresponding constructions. < 1608224203 954928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, one more update to the png... lighter gray and I got rid of the spikes at the bottom of the ajar doors < 1608224244 739654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gadget is unchanged, I think it's pretty neat as it is. < 1608224292 772718 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :your graphical representation is very different from what I imagine. I use a top-view map of the maze, with doors drawn as short lines (as short as a corridor) from the same top view, and with letters (and optional colors) to mark matching ones < 1608224316 641886 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than side view doors < 1608224330 584692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a nethack player < 1608224346 596587 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that has a huge influence :) < 1608224403 209671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor roguelikes in general, even graphical ones) < 1608224412 105665 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-34.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also uppercasing the letter for currently ajar doors. the sequence of names of ajar doors you go through is enough to represent your solution in an easy way.) < 1608224553 16867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm sure you can figure out your own preferred representation :-P < 1608225621 127754 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :caught another bug in '&' -- since it was working as reading the byte, then checking if it's a digit and then pushing it back when not, it failed if the file ends with integer instead of non-digit, such as newline < 1608225699 866800 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean not caught but found it while changing how ~ and & work; with working as trampoline instead of reversing the Cat program now does not need '#' and so is one char shorter < 1608225703 357415 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608225711 200829 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ~@, < 1608226960 792208 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1608227064 436063 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit > 1608228184 217892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79481&oldid=79472 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+69) 10~ and & now work as # unless EOF > 1608228304 733591 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79482&oldid=79481 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-1) 10cat program is 1 char shorter with the last specification update > 1608228734 766826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MyScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79483&oldid=70772 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10/* Simple class */ cat < 1608229064 375722 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmbmcltopzjbaekd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1608229512 866026 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608231463 619290 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:c1f8:f74f:cb92:31a8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608232540 713796 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1608234143 741480 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://corp.unicode.org/pipermail/unicode/2020-December/thread.html < 1608234165 614243 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode mailing list debates having italics... again < 1608234236 781909 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please no italics < 1608234253 323323 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they should also add bold, underline, subscript, superscript, strikethrough and blink < 1608234274 4898 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every combination of those < 1608234285 278145 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blink, yes < 1608234290 208779 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember twhe they added emoji < 1608234291 669909 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when* < 1608234340 957047 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, blame japan for that < 1608234578 570734 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like emoji < 1608234578 640944 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i like that i can compatibly use them across multiple platforms < 1608234660 83210 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone near me has the vanity license plate "U1F47E" on their car < 1608234847 777263 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could have no problem of compatibility at all < 1608234866 360376 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they didn't use it in the first place < 1608234939 74549 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no Putin emoji? < 1608235141 211304 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to submit a proposal for one < 1608235170 37039 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't propose bad ideas < 1608235180 806083 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good policy < 1608235195 895110 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :emojis was a bad ide < 1608235197 145761 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1608235269 241064 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they implement a bad idea, I just ask why don't they implement all other bad ideas < 1608235282 816188 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Things Done you know < 1608235286 589145 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol > 1608235943 402610 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:UClang*14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79484&oldid=79259 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+218) 10 > 1608236180 396909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain:D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79485&oldid=79293 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+2) 10fix cat < 1608237311 121161 :jess!jess@freenode/staff/jess JOIN :#esoteric < 1608237680 279214 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1608238862 668305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish "self-interpreter"14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79486&oldid=73108 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+75) 10/* See also */ cats < 1608239542 895256 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but if they implement a bad idea, I just ask why don't they implement all other bad ideas => well, nobody has infinite resources, obviously < 1608239623 100142 :LKoen!~LKoen@29.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1608239929 489714 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.228.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1608240146 285513 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Unicode is messy < 1608240492 986670 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608240587 825048 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:c1f8:f74f:cb92:31a8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1608241745 636684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:UClang*14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79487&oldid=79484 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+204) 10/* A4 and A5 */ new section < 1608243004 346295 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1608245475 70099 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608247296 792730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned on "force dark" in Chrome as a test, and our very own Wiki renders badly. :/ https://zem.fi/tmp/esodark.png < 1608247386 719423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, so does Wikipedia, and arguably it's even a little worse. So maybe it's Not Our Fault. < 1608247699 311948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what all exactly the flag does. I guess I'd just like the "prefer dark if the website has it" setting, but AFAICT maybe Chrome on Linux doesn't have that setting, since there's no standard system-wide thing. At least https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/9275525?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&oco=1 just lists Mac OS and Windows.) < 1608247820 276556 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f JOIN :#esoteric < 1608248064 234802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's even got a setting for that as part of Developer Tools ("Emulate CSS media feature prefers-color-scheme" → dark), but not something you could just turn on. < 1608248336 102073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, turns out there's a command-line flag. Well, better than nothing. < 1608249052 131271 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1608251449 12157 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:7285:c2ff:fe0b:917f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1608252819 925799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79488&oldid=79482 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* Hello, World! */ rm redirect < 1608253203 767562 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1608253565 982611 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Geo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79489&oldid=53330 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10Unpipe > 1608253638 509489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Scan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79490&oldid=53334 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10unpipe ; hd > 1608254036 954067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SON-OF-UNBABTIZED14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79491&oldid=38964 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5545) 10Obligatory sample code < 1608254242 36669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the dark mode work for web pages without any CSS specified, or with CSS specified but no colours specified? > 1608254313 531071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PUSH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79492&oldid=78838 5* 03Expliked 5* (+4) 10 < 1608254811 879063 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1608254891 71499 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In Flipfractal, what happens when you hit an entry-point character from something other than its opposing direction? < 1608254948 978505 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g., if I enter a V going right, do I exit the + in the parent program going right or going up? < 1608254984 512580 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not recommend that < 1608255011 943906 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems needlessly painful > 1608255190 668592 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clementine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79493&oldid=72568 5* 03CatIsFluffy 5* (+23) 10done < 1608255305 285296 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the less painful way of entering a V? < 1608255322 173837 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: from the back < 1608255330 662163 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I-I see. < 1608255332 616089 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the front, depending on taste < 1608255359 30639 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second, that page was only saying you were the one who created Memfractal, it was worded confusingly < 1608255376 402787 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikhin: look, I chose not to say it, but you chose to ask < 1608255381 111804 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. < 1608255387 614742 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is my fault. < 1608255390 316444 :LegionMammal978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1608255402 425303 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1608255406 489336 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like we've scared them off < 1608255474 463470 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1608256018 912459 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LegionMammal978: I did not invent Flipfractal, and yes I agree it is worded confusingly. < 1608256201 350826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608256221 616500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: zzo38: there is apparently an unofficial standard for gopher over TLS < 1608256233 189788 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1608256245 552466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very simple, too: you just make a TLS connection on port 70 < 1608256267 124154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a gophers server distinguishes between gopher-over-TLS and regular gopher by checking to see whether the first thing the client sends is a TLS handshake) < 1608256270 575196 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1608256312 916842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the thing with TLS where the server must identify all the domain names it possibly knows about and then the client checks whether it matches? < 1608256314 267023 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1608256322 158472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the cient saying what domain name it thinks it's accessing. < 1608256327 871187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems bizarre to me. < 1608256363 356368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like one of the many variants of SNI < 1608256373 108120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP is presumably just a dead end if you want efficient networking protocols. < 1608256383 914063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem is that in most TLS connections, the server name indication is sent in the clear, so anyone listening in knows what site you're connecting < 1608256390 410432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there have been various proposals to remedy that < 1608256412 933204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With TLS being one of the reasons. < 1608256428 673133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I see, so eavesdroppers know whether I'm connecting to youtube.com vs. google.com or something. < 1608256439 69838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic problem is that it's hard to deploy anything like this at a small scale, because with a small hosting company, you can normally figure out which site is being connected to simply from the IP < 1608256449 258018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you might want to keep that information secret, especially with DNS becoming encrypted these days. < 1608256460 323378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in order to really keep it private, you need a wide range of different sites that are all hosted from the same IP so people aren't sure which is which < 1608256482 813508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloudflare apparently added some sort of encrypted SNI recently, because they have the right sort of infrastructure for that < 1608256542 602743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little surprised that gopher is still being developed nowadays (at least, within the last couple of years) < 1608256561 124936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently some people like it due to the lack of things like JavaScript-based adverts because the protocol can't handle them < 1608256601 80867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gophers are OK but kitty cats are where it's at, if you ask me. < 1608256631 667757 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the web browser is the wrong place to implement encrypted DNS, since DNS is something that you will want many programs to use, not only the web browser. < 1608256635 244892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cat has even fewer features than gopher < 1608256670 42430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is QUIC a good alternative to TCP? < 1608256763 44192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one issue I've discovered with TCP is that in practice, you seem to need to duplicate a lot of TCP functionality to get reliable connections even when you're using TCP < 1608256772 995976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real life, TCP connections have a tendency to break for no reason < 1608256777 169743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this somehow even happens on localhost < 1608256820 835792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using TLS over TCP increases the frequency at which this happens, but probably just because more data is sent < 1608256887 871531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, an idea I had recently: an equivalent of HTTP headers but for files on a filesystem (e.g. in the directory entry for a file) < 1608256901 754219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it struck me that HTTP headers are already a widely used standard for file metadata < 1608256962 644279 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, my "httpdirlist" format is similar, using the same format of HTTP headers to make a directory listing format for use with HTTP, with blank lines separating directory entries. < 1608257022 431883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strikes me as something of a security hole that I can't just put a file in a directory that a web browser serves, and know for certain that it won't get misinterpreted in a format I don't expect and that happens to do something malicious < 1608257027 382511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps having a file in that format might also be helpful for loading "file:" URLs in a web browser, so that it can know the MIME type of each file. < 1608257046 695065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. there was an incident on #esoteric a while ago where someone managed a successful XSS attacks against the raw log files, even though they're plaintext) < 1608257191 285219 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you should fix the HTTP server to specify the correct MIME type, presumably always text/plain for the raw log files < 1608257219 304768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but some browsers will override the MIME type if it appears to be wrong < 1608257282 118752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays there is «X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff» which tells the browser that the MIME type is correct and should not be changed < 1608257353 272426 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use that, then, although I should think that the web browser should never override the MIME type specified by the server unless the user explicitly specifies a different MIME type < 1608257484 156784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this option is not respected by IE < 8 < 1608257496 204701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there would still be a potential for XSS attacks against plaintext files on IE7 and earlier < 1608257498 908172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does anyone still use those?) < 1608257673 777800 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1608257794 261031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What about HFS forks? < 1608257885 504391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Mac filesystems have something similar to the HTTP idea I had < 1608257900 174402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I think they used something proprietary to specify file types, not MIME < 1608257905 609196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when I last looked < 1608257908 921219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're using MIME nowadays < 1608258048 352166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, now I'm reading about CORB < 1608258052 873898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is kind-of eso < 1608258096 14648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea is that there are only a few types of thing that can be included into a web page via a cross-origin request, such as scripts and images < 1608258138 572789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if a web page tries to make a cross-origin request using or