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00:40:58 <zzo38> It look like Wizards of the Coast had now made the change that I had made earlier for my own cards, which is that {S} comes from any snow source, not only a snow permanent (if this is what the release notes are meaning). Previously, they had done so a rule for copies of non-card spells entering the battlefield, too.
00:41:46 <shachaf> They're bringing back snow-covered lands?
00:41:54 <esowiki> [[129]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80280&oldid=80265 * TonyBrown148 * (+6) Version 0.2.0. Notice that the I/O commands are changed.
00:43:50 <zzo38> Yes.
00:44:28 <esowiki> [[129]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80281&oldid=80280 * TonyBrown148 * (+0) /* Cat program */ Update.
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01:52:45 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80292&oldid=80279 * Digital Hunter * (+0) I was wrong about my having-been-wrong about base conversion!  I had it down the first time!
01:55:38 <esowiki> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80293&oldid=80274 * Digital Hunter * (+4) /* Parse this sic */ Really sorry.  I'm done now.
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10:32:55 <int-e> fungot: how do you manage without hands?
10:32:55 <fungot> int-e: btw fnord, there are some calls for which we can be here for another 2 hours or so.
10:33:26 <int-e> fungot: dang, I don't have that long
10:34:13 <int-e> oh, is nobody else engaging fungot, again? sad times, what have we come to...
10:34:23 <shachaf> hi fungot. hungot.
10:34:23 <fungot> shachaf: great stuff gregorr...
10:45:01 <int-e> `thanks
10:45:08 <HackEso> Thanks, eff. Theff.
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10:46:42 <fizzie> I didn't know it does a random random word if you don't provide any arguments.
10:47:58 <shachaf> Fancy.
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11:29:40 <b_jonas> https://twitter.com/gro_tsen/status/1350887473426161669 “Wait: I have used the wonderful ASCII character U+0060 GRAVE ACCENT only SIX times in 24 891 tweets, less than any other printable ASCII‽ What an unworthy inventor of Unlambda I am! This character deserves `acclamation`!”
11:40:09 <int-e> Hmm I forgot how ``ci`ci works.
11:41:07 <shachaf> What's c? call/cc?
11:42:54 <int-e> yes
11:44:58 <int-e> ``ci`ci -> ``i(`[]`ci)`ci -> `(`[]`ci)`ci -> ``ci`ci, inventing some notation for the captured continuation
11:44:59 <HackEso> ​`ci`ci? No such file or directory
11:45:15 <int-e> HackEso: sorry
11:45:46 <int-e> (the [] is a hole)
11:46:56 <shachaf> Let's see, is CPS call/cc "callcc f k = f k k"?
11:47:32 <shachaf> And CPS id x k = k x?
11:47:49 <shachaf> That would make callcc id = (\k -> k k), I think.
11:50:10 <shachaf> Which would make sense, I guess. callcc id calls id with the current continuation, so its value is the value of the current continuation. (callCC id) x = -- well, I think it works out to the thing you said.
11:58:23 <int-e> shachaf: no, it captures the context. A[`cF] -> `F(A[]), where (A[]) behaves as `(A[])G -> A[G]
11:58:50 <int-e> the ``ci`ci example doesn't do it justice :P
11:59:13 <int-e> uh
11:59:27 <int-e> sorry, you said CPS
11:59:59 <int-e> then yeah, it's like that.
12:00:13 <int-e> k being the context
12:01:08 <int-e> what's really messy is that Unlambda has side effects
12:01:36 <int-e> oh and the `d "delay" thing which is like TeX's \expandafter
12:03:09 <shachaf> I switched to non-CPS in the last line.
12:04:05 <int-e> uh but that's operating on the level of continuiations
12:04:12 <int-e> so it's still cps
12:04:21 <shachaf> Undelimited continuations are pretty wacky, huh.
12:05:11 <b_jonas> so you're trying to implemenr a transformation from unlmabda to CPS unlambda without c?
12:05:30 <int-e> `ci is definitely not the same as ``sii
12:05:30 <HackEso> ci? No such file or directory
12:05:31 <shachaf> This thing only works like because of the implicit delimiter around the whole program.
12:05:34 <int-e> b_jonas: no
12:05:53 <int-e> b_jonas: just trying to make sense of things, I think
12:06:31 <int-e> shachaf: yeah, it's a thing of sheer beauty, like all things Unlambda
12:06:33 <b_jonas> unlambda makes that quite hard
12:07:13 <shachaf> `ci isn't the same as ``sii, because it acts on the continuation, not on values.
12:07:29 <shachaf> It calls its continuation with itself.
12:07:38 <shachaf> I should make it clear when I'm talking about CPS vs. non-CPS.
12:07:41 <b_jonas> the underlying SKI calculus is nice and simple, but David manages to add just the right extensions to make it complex but still hard to program
12:08:47 <int-e> the sane way to program Unlambda is to do your own CPS to control side effects and stay away from c and d :P
12:09:14 <int-e> thougharguably it's also the boring way
12:09:48 <shachaf> Uh oh, there's a d?
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12:14:57 <fizzie> I just remember ((call/cc call/cc) (call/cc call/cc)) being the conventional Scheme call/cc puzzle.
12:16:22 <Taneb> d does something with evaluation order
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12:19:23 <int-e> shachaf: you can maybe implement lazy evaluation if you wrap all values in `d.
12:19:23 <int-e> fizzie: yeah I suppose ``cc`cc is the same
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12:19:40 <int-e> and it's ugly because the context will grow
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12:22:01 <int-e> https://paste.debian.net/1182690/ eww
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12:23:02 <shachaf> If callcc f k = f k k, then callcc callcc k = k k k?
12:26:03 <int-e> > iterate (\x -> 3*x-3) 2
12:26:05 <lambdabot>  [2,3,6,15,42,123,366,1095,3282,9843,29526,88575,265722,797163,2391486,717445...
12:26:21 <int-e> oh there's a 42 in there, nice
12:27:15 <b_jonas> [ _3 3 p.^:(<24) 2x
12:27:16 <j-bot> b_jonas: 2 3 6 15 42 123 366 1095 3282 9843 29526 88575 265722 797163 2391486 7174455 21523362 64570083 193710246 581130735 1743392202 5230176603 15690529806 47071589415
12:28:01 <int-e> > text $ replicate 41 '`' ++ concat (replicate 42 "`cc")
12:28:03 <lambdabot>  ``````````````````````````````````````````cc`cc`cc`cc`cc`cc`cc`cc`cc`cc`cc`c...
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12:31:58 <int-e> > [(3^i+3)`div`2|i<-[0..]]
12:32:01 <lambdabot>  [2,3,6,15,42,123,366,1095,3282,9843,29526,88575,265722,797163,2391486,717445...
12:34:02 <int-e> b_jonas: if you look at terms 1,5 and 9 in https://paste.debian.net/1182690/ and count the `cc-s, that'll give 2, 3, 6... so that's where this sequence came up
12:34:47 <shachaf> @let getcc = callCC (\k -> return (fix k))
12:34:49 <lambdabot>  Defined.
12:35:52 <Taneb> @oeis A115098
12:35:52 <lambdabot>  https://oeis.org/A115098 a(0)=2, a(n)=3*a(n-1)-3.
12:35:53 <lambdabot>  [2,3,6,15,42,123,366,1095,3282,9843,29526,88575,265722,797163,2391486,717445...
12:35:53 <shachaf> If (call/cc call/cc) isn't bad enough, you can always (call/cc Y)
12:49:59 <int-e> Taneb: I see no mention of call/cc :P
12:51:00 <Taneb> int-e: yet!
12:52:00 <b_jonas> I see int-e
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15:24:45 <chibi_> Trying to understand Full Stack, I'm not sure I grok the quine and truth machine examples
15:27:02 <chibi_> ...does full stack work right to left or am I missing something?
15:27:32 <chibi_> I'm definitely missing something.
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22:49:21 <esowiki> [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80308&oldid=80307 * The-Ennemy * (+375) /* Conditionals */
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22:57:41 <esowiki> [[Talk:0587]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80310&oldid=80309 * Chibiningen * (+98) Forgot to add sig.
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23:12:20 <esowiki> [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80312&oldid=80311 * The-Ennemy * (+46) /* Conditionals */
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23:13:00 <esowiki> [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80314&oldid=80313 * The-Ennemy * (-3) 
23:14:25 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80315&oldid=80295 * Digital Hunter * (+1112) /* Numbers */ my base conversion was bugged!  Not surprisingly a PTS mistake, as expected 0's wouldn't print and expected 1's could be 0's.
23:22:24 <esowiki> [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80316&oldid=80314 * The-Ennemy * (+53) /* Conditionals */
23:23:21 <esowiki> [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80317&oldid=80316 * The-Ennemy * (+74) /* Conditionals */
23:46:24 <esowiki> [[User:The-Ennemy/asm2bf-tutorial]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80318&oldid=80317 * The-Ennemy * (+10) /* Conditionals */
23:57:58 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80319&oldid=80315 * Digital Hunter * (+215) /* 99 bottles of beer */ updated to my realisation of the OTHER base conversion macro bug