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(www.adiirc.com)). 05:28:49 -!- naivesheep has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:48:19 -!- naivesheep has joined. 06:29:14 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:05:10 -!- tromp has joined. 07:18:16 -!- stux|RC-only has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:21:44 -!- stux|RC-only has joined. 07:31:00 I have no idea how fast my Sharp EL-5120 calculator's CPU is. I suspect that it's a slow 8 bit cpu, because all the goto and comparison and assignment statements run very fast, the print statements medium speed, arithmetic like addition and multiplication slow, exponential and logarithm functions very slow. 07:31:34 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * TaterTomorrow * New user account 07:32:25 Also it probably has exactly 2K of RAM, because there's 1141 bytes of memory for program storage, and if you add up all the memory that it needs to store all the state that it actually stores, you get pretty close to 2K, with a little left for temporary buffers for computation. It seems like they optimized the rom to squeeze out even the last byte of the RAM. 07:32:52 Well, more like they decided on the semantics first, then optimized the implementation to squeeze out even the last byte of the RAM: 07:33:27 it has to store three 160-byte long formula input buffers, and the third one seems a bit of an overkill: 07:34:51 two buffers make sense, because you want one for the main formula, and there are some functions when it takes a second one, namely there's a function where it lists all the variables in your current formula and you can modify any by selecting it and entering a formula that is immediately evaluated and assigned to it, and then after entering any number, you can reevaluate the original formula. 07:35:49 a similar functionality is provided for the integral and root finder functions, where the first formula is what you numerically integrate or numerically find root for, the second is the integral bounds or starting points in the integral 07:36:27 but the third buffer is because for some reason it always stores the last formula to find roots for in the root finder mode, even when you exit that mode. that seems pointless, and that memory would be better used for something else. 07:38:50 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80386&oldid=80368 * TaterTomorrow * (+262) /* Introductions */ 07:42:17 there's also memory set aside for a lot of numbers, which is actually reasonable and well-used. each number is 8 bit long, which is normally used as 12 decimal digits of mantissa, 2 decimal digits of exponent, and signs for both. 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It has a lot of common with 6502 Assembly and requires source code to be co..." 14:57:26 -!- Arcorann_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:09:15 -!- joast has joined. 15:13:44 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:19:50 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80396&oldid=80217 * Tetrapyronia * (+25) added BRASCA 15:20:06 [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80397&oldid=80184 * Tetrapyronia * (+13) 15:32:09 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Not applicable * uploaded "[[File:Blue-black-gradient.png]]": gradient from black to indigo 15:35:46 -!- ubq323 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:46:30 [[User:Not applicable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80399&oldid=80394 * Not applicable * (+60) 15:49:40 -!- b_jonas has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 15:58:01 -!- sprock has joined. 15:58:10 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 16:04:00 -!- mmmattyx has joined. 16:08:44 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:18:23 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 16:32:07 -!- b_jonas has joined. 16:34:01 -!- delta23 has joined. 16:34:02 -!- ubq323 has joined. 16:36:33 -!- ubq323 has quit (Client Quit). 16:36:45 -!- ubq323 has joined. 16:40:32 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80400&oldid=80353 * Digital Hunter * (-1) /* Reverse cat */ 17:00:53 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 17:30:06 [[VAST]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80401&oldid=80384 * Zero player rodent * (+1292) 17:33:01 [[VAST]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80402&oldid=80401 * Zero player rodent * (+23) 17:33:34 [[91v]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80403&oldid=80133 * Zero player rodent * (+23) 17:35:26 [[User:Zero player rodent]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80404&oldid=80061 * Zero player rodent * (+60) 17:38:22 -!- LKoen has joined. 17:55:35 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:00:06 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:10:26 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:13:08 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:26:15 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:27:57 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:38:57 -!- ubq323 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:41:11 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:43:55 -!- LKoen has joined. 18:49:33 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:53:42 Do you like idea of the Magic: the Gathering that I had mentioned recently? 18:54:45 Also, if you have worked with LLVM, do you know if it can somehow be used with a target that you cannot arbitrarily access the stack? 18:56:16 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:57:57 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:07:10 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving). 19:11:10 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:12:50 zzo38, might depend on what you mean by "arbitrarily access the stack", and if you need performance or it just to work 19:16:00 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:17:39 -!- Hooloovo0 has quit (Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.). 19:17:55 -!- Hooloovo0 has joined. 19:19:06 i wonder if anyone has done demo / golfing competitions with OpenSCAD 19:19:23 to design a cool shape, preferably printable, within a small number of characters 19:21:57 -!- tromp has joined. 19:23:14 zzo38: I worked very little with llvm directly, the only thing I've done is ask some llvm folks about some pedantic semantic question after the compiler folks told me what the compiler emits and sent me to the llvm folks. 19:23:59 but I do know that llvm is the optimizer and code generator under at least three compilers: clang, rustc, and the zig compiler. 19:24:15 I don't want to touch llvm directly 19:26:29 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:26:41 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:27:46 -!- tromp has joined. 19:28:12 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:37:15 Hooloovo0: I mean basically that alloca will work and will allow you to do the same things as it is capable in C. Some instruction sets don't have an accessible stack, making that difficult to do. (In Glulx, there is a stack, but you cannot read/write it directly; you can access local variables of the current frame, and data pushed to the stack for the current frame, but those use different instructions than normal memory, and have othe 19:40:12 I know the ez80 has something like that, where the stack pointer could be a large value, but normally is restricted to a signed 8-bit offset from the current base pointer 19:40:26 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:41:01 and sometimes there are big variables, so (I think?) the compiler has to resort to shenanigans to get you the right value 19:41:27 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:49:40 -!- tromp has joined. 19:55:35 -!- ubq323 has joined. 20:06:38 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:12:45 Do you have a description of the stack working in ez80? 20:19:26 -!- tromp has joined. 20:28:39 I don't have a good description - it doesn't really use the normal stack pointer, but the index registers, though depends on the specific use 20:39:10 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:40:05 [[BRASCA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80405&oldid=80391 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+90) /* Links */ Add HW 20:48:36 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:51:04 -!- tromp has joined. 21:03:05 -!- whitefoxfx has joined. 21:06:10 -!- whitefoxfx has left. 21:08:11 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:15:09 [[Talk:Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80406&oldid=80322 * Digital Hunter * (+559) /* Interpreter */ 21:18:16 -!- tromp has joined. 21:30:06 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:52:08 -!- tromp has joined. 21:52:59 -!- Palaver has joined. 21:55:45 -!- Palaver has changed nick to somapurge. 22:04:13 -!- somapurge has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:05:45 -!- Palaver has joined. 22:07:44 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:11:41 -!- Palaver has quit (Quit: Palaver https://palaverapp.com). 22:12:03 -!- tromp has joined. 22:12:24 -!- Palaver has joined. 22:14:07 -!- Palaver has quit (Client Quit). 22:14:30 -!- Palaver has joined. 22:14:37 -!- Palaver has left. 22:16:25 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:20:04 -!- tromp has joined. 22:35:33 [[User talk:Not applicable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80407&oldid=80376 * JonoCode9374 * (+12) 22:35:50 [[User talk:Not applicable]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80408&oldid=80407 * JonoCode9374 * (+1) 22:59:03 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:59:57 -!- Arcorann_ has joined. 23:16:34 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 23:35:43 -!- tromp has joined. 23:40:25 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).