< 1612138076 340835 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1612138186 296953 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612138483 291059 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1612139019 41197 :ubq323!~ubq323@host86-154-198-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1612139131 673381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Openbyte 5* 10New user account < 1612139229 321926 :lm978!181e4e3e@c-24-30-78-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1612139338 888466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1612139699 812626 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80477&oldid=80463 5* 03Openbyte 5* (+150) 10 < 1612139708 415467 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1612139714 423539 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pancake Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80478&oldid=74928 5* 03Openbyte 5* (+64) 10Added rust implementation link < 1612139759 862049 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1612139764 286768 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612140079 313748 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1612141384 115499 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:9944:909a:747f:4912 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612142413 529859 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1612143028 359245 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612143296 378441 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1612144354 711183 :ubq323!~ubq323@host86-154-198-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 < 1612144995 753729 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:9944:909a:747f:4912 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612145698 358289 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612145763 415513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You feeling okay? < 1612145763 637227 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, i changed 1 to 2, which is the problem? there we go. < 1612145814 533311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive, didn't even lose the TCP connection. < 1612145936 381299 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1612146094 544656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:FreakCdev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80479 5* 03FreakCdev 5* (+279) 10Created page with "I'm the guy who is obsessed with programming languages, particularly esoteric ones. I have also created many programming languages like FreakC, Jellyscript, VNC and wrote an i..." < 1612146503 360089 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612146756 365703 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1612147004 583779 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0 < 1612148129 82514 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612148395 117103 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1612149014 786884 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1612154094 416113 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612154378 430841 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1612155276 153116 :compuwiz490!~pchaberma@143.59.105.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612155289 223779 :compuwiz490!~pchaberma@143.59.105.125 PART :#esoteric < 1612156769 958251 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612157037 930583 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1612158953 916496 :Guest10!aec4861a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.174.196.134.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612161808 7185 :Guest10!aec4861a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.174.196.134.26 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1612161819 885183 :Guest10!aec4861a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.174.196.134.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612163252 846152 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612163485 474737 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1612163553 834000 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1612164064 234778 :Guest10!aec4861a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.174.196.134.26 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1612164340 147723 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1612164637 117203 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1612164740 256098 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot are you binary or ternary? < 1612164740 446772 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: are you going to shoot me?" and get the primary key depending on that behaviour. in all other eu countries they are. < 1612165573 419652 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612166084 59543 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, @ < 1612166084 202251 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: right, but that's another flamewar!) capture him and get him to understand! < 1612169098 167627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1612169206 267831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If close() is interrupted by a signal that is to be caught, it shall return -1 with errno set to EINTR and the state of fildes is unspecified." < 1612169209 288550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thosix < 1612171284 403050 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pysejlodipatedbl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612171439 312261 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1612173375 791047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1612173378 791105 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is eerily topical < 1612175102 466884 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612175288 73485 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1612175297 64197 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1612175998 199936 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1612177144 103015 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1612177231 682040 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1612177514 803011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Graue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80480&oldid=36063 5* 03Graue 5* (+37) 10updates < 1612177563 508692 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1612177635 447890 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sortle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80481&oldid=53715 5* 03Graue 5* (+78) 10/* External resources */ add interpreter with debugger < 1612182342 613380 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric > 1612182444 383579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mirror-machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80482 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+386) 10Created page with "A Mirror-machine is an extremely simple program type invented by [[User:ReplayShells]] to check decision, addition, subtraction, loops, input and outputs. Rules: *Input vars..." > 1612182478 650722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mirror-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80483&oldid=80482 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+0) 10 > 1612182541 210048 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ReplayShells14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80484&oldid=80467 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+57) 10 > 1612182567 881798 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mirror-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80485&oldid=80483 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+2) 10 < 1612184552 48467 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1612184737 841524 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612185613 126758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612185663 244840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1612185675 563824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612185844 564423 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612186179 57000 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: You might enjoy this month's Ponder This... it's not just stupid brute force this time. < 1612186307 509362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the '*' part feels uninspired though < 1612186823 746714 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612187086 816502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1612187114 160445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan! < 1612187119 241871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1612187134 959109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while < 1612187153 584972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been taking an internet white year :P < 1612187188 377677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, my freenode account seems to still be here. < 1612187216 1980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't notice you were missing, but then I haven't been here much myself < 1612187249 277176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yo! i just saw your email < 1612187323 279850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Nicknames and accounts which are expired will not automatically be dropped. Please contact network staff if you would like to take over an expired nickname.' < 1612187335 976770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, in principle. < 1612187350 927972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nobody wanted that nick and also knew the policy :) < 1612187370 374062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1612187408 250354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know... or maybe I did and forgot. < 1612187587 458131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, the timing was eery, what with covid going around < 1612187593 57824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you're fine < 1612187632 975593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is in order again. < 1612187637 20484 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is in order again. < 1612187667 697506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think covid was part of it - too much depressing news around. < 1612187780 785995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password < 1612187782 953098 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :12361:2021-02-01 learn The password of the month is in order again. \ 12360:2021-01-08 learn The password of the month is eerily topical \ 12355:2020-12-01 learn The password of the month is wake these token brings \ 12348:2020-11-01 learn The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0 \ 12344:2020-10-01 learn The password of the month is Algol Waterloo Athens aftermath quadrant hydrau < 1612187808 182829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you've been keeping up. < 1612187849 967045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no ida how common Ørjan is as a name < 1612187854 954594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* no idea < 1612187936 319817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : where's oerjan when you need somebody to discuss the latest TWIST in GG... <-- months away. i may have some catchup to do. and check if the twist i _was_ expecting actually happened. < 1612187969 99271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what that was about < 1612188000 559412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think when i checked it was the 50th most common first name for males in norway < 1612188012 495746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my surname is 2nd, though. < 1612188092 394640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but your surname isn't part of your IRC nick < 1612188100 92042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering about the chances of people trying to steal your nick from you < 1612188255 13603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first arrived here, it was actually taken (but expiring) < 1612188272 314067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "oe" probably helps too. < 1612188292 829949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ø legal in IRC nicks? < 1612188300 102618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :o! < 1612188341 101964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the basic version, although the legality of "|" is a legacy from when that _was_ used for ø in some charsets, iirc < 1612188363 575104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ö, since irc is originally finnish) < 1612188378 672525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be the ISO 646-FI character set. < 1612188383 990929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø and ö are notably different letters, though < 1612188400 621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh wow, ISO 646 < 1612188408 278532 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famously so, I would say < 1612188415 373163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thnk ISO 8859 has pretty much entirely replaced that, and both are nowadays obsolete < 1612188418 501321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm sure there's some Norwegian-specific variant that has ø in there. < 1612188438 784443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 646 is the reason C has trigraphs, I think < 1612188457 268061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a | because your charset has a ö instead, you can write it as ??! instead < 1612188472 597990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, ö for OR isn't that hard to remember < 1612188483 893636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 646-FI indeed has [\]^ and {|}~ as the uppercase/lowercase variants of äöåü. < 1612188494 895519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german ö and English "or" have similar (but not identical) pronunciations < 1612188555 171613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of my failure to learn the pronunciation of de Bruijn... < 1612188563 661088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly sure why ü is on that list, since it's not really part of the Finnish alphabet. Wouldn't think it's the most common non-native letter or anything. < 1612188581 554051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...my conclusion was that there's something in it that my ears aren't trained to hear < 1612188589 853202 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612188600 803920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe it's so the same character set can be used for both Finnish and some other language < 1612188606 753939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (they're not at all similar... to my german ear) < 1612188608 423596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :German has äöü but also ß < 1612188627 551006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well ö is closer to "or" than o is < 1612188656 896494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ö is more like "er" than "or", and still not that close < 1612188675 325801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah is closer to eh than uh is... I suppose < 1612188690 890462 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612188698 566946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the German variant of ISO 646 omits the å to make room for ß. < 1612188725 424221 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1612188791 725090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh I do remember. I wanted someone who knows the ins and outs of the Blitzengard family, at the time. < 1612188827 633227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember = I looked up the date in the logs and checked which comic I referred to) < 1612188841 6611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't *that* uncommon to still see Usenet posts and emails and suchlike to get their äs and ös replaced with {s and |s when I was in university. And perhaps even more common to see them get replaced by d and v (which is what you get if you do 8-bit ISO-8859-1 but drop the 8th bit). < 1612188984 793162 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1612189110 424460 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612189357 539062 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thx for suggestion < 1612189417 372698 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1612190491 28283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1612191175 430228 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612191194 895599 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1612191350 912228 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1612191604 188509 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612191612 550918 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1612191684 471149 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612191987 947169 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1612192678 814662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1612192703 146946 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612195781 422125 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1612196567 911946 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1612198161 569812 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CopyPasta Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80486&oldid=71469 5* 03Rerednaw 5* (-9) 10 < 1612198189 535276 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody made a copypasta language? < 1612198192 142362 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1612199853 839176 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1612201769 13020 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1612202599 423303 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1612203058 365132 :acedic[m]!acedicmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jjkzffiffoihszwc QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1612203088 805937 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-adyphkvodgwqnjzl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1612203738 407703 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ibvppprquahpnula JOIN :#esoteric < 1612203818 409664 :acedic[m]!acedicmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fmqptjalryjhcnac JOIN :#esoteric < 1612204030 358309 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1612204086 381490 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612204311 859845 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb JOIN :#esoteric < 1612205045 146981 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612205655 137483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: helloerjan < 1612205679 248151 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612205850 826257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1612206232 943283 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1612206363 931111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ølist < 1612206366 254113 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ølist? No such file or directory < 1612206468 858642 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1612206654 971961 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now, you can add headers into messages to indicate the charater set to use. Glk uses ISO-8859-1, but also supports UTF-32. < 1612206751 888417 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1612207634 340388 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612207679 794738 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan < 1612207976 103375 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" that said, ö for OR isn't that hard to remember" => sure, it's indexing your arrays like vÄlÅ where it gets ugly. it worked better on BASIC microcomputers because BASIC doesn't use brackets or braces for anything, though those computers sometimes used different character sets than ISO-646. < 1612208167 244747 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even the different character sets used the obvious idea of replacing the brackets and other characters that are not used in BASIC < 1612208530 207849 :gurmble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1612208704 940889 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Ping timeout: 606 seconds < 1612208714 743592 :gurmble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1612208914 399890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("Hello, world!Ön"); < 1612208916 644677 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612208994 748206 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb NICK :world < 1612208996 743829 :world!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1612209008 807145 :world!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb NICK :NotApplicable < 1612209028 272769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C implementations that use Unicode should support this. They already support digraphs and trigraphs, so why not monographs? < 1612209683 976700 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612210716 978817 :j4cbo_!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kzdydawczjlbbdbz JOIN :#esoteric < 1612210719 843982 :glowcoil_!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqglmtzxkjcesfxa JOIN :#esoteric < 1612210733 412169 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1612210796 871300 :ornxka_!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx JOIN :#esoteric < 1612211162 675012 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1612211163 157131 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-utlcqnohyorrmewk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1612211163 243055 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx QUIT :*.net *.split < 1612211163 295305 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zeybjkdxlkhfyswp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1612211171 629205 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zpzzlibtgsftujxx QUIT :*.net *.split < 1612211172 987270 :j4cbo_!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kzdydawczjlbbdbz NICK :j4cbo < 1612211172 987308 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1612211173 98095 :glowcoil_!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eqglmtzxkjcesfxa NICK :glowcoil < 1612211352 398344 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1612211367 146281 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1612211769 595924 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fulnkcgciwirhbzv JOIN :#esoteric > 1612212089 383988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Powerlist14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80487&oldid=39461 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Truth machine */ Cat < 1612212334 942202 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1612212407 199350 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ASCII characters have their bit pattern dictated by external concerns? there's NUL (usable to reserve space, can be punched to any character), DEL (any character can be punched to it), and SYN (distinct from any bitwise rotation of itself, usable to maintain framing on synchronous links) < 1612212412 167698 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :any others? < 1612212596 424954 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; that is just what I have known of, what you mentioned too < 1612213197 703341 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's certainly convenient to have the digits 0123456789 encoded as consecutive bytes, makes it easier to parse or format numbers. the same is true for ABCDEF . < 1612213304 960092 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also note that EBCDIC encoding letters in traditional alphabetic order was the one and only chance to get rid of the traditional phoenician-derived order of the letters in the alphabet and invent an entirely new order < 1612213342 530268 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might have been too late, by that time alphabetized dictionaries compiled by hand may have been too well spread for technology to be able to overthrow that order < 1612213414 67219 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also hoping we could get rid of the traditional Hungarian alphabetization order that makes everyone's work harder in the uncommon cases < 1612213596 484040 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody other than the very few people whose name starts with Cu or Cz or Zu would notice if we silently got rid of the rule that the nine special letters (sz, gy, ny, cs, zs, ly, ty, dzs, dz; but never ch or th or cz) and their doubled versions are sorted differently when they're used for the sound they usually denote than when they're accidents. < 1612213627 111725 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a rule that very hard to strictly follow by a computer, and it gains you nothing. < 1612213654 314709 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the sort of nonsense that you teach to kids so they have to suffer just as you suffered in school < 1612213685 542082 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should teach it only in high school as a curiosity in case they want to look up words in older dictionaries. < 1612213757 837586 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1612213833 966333 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :those sorts of rules are annoying for sure < 1612213841 33980 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean treating sz, gy, ny, cs in *Scrabble* kind of make sense, but not for alphabetization < 1612213863 576226 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Scrabble rules can be decided freely independent of the alphabetization < 1612213957 375676 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish used to collate "ch" and "ll" separately from "c" and "l" but they got rid of that in 1994, though they were still considered distinct letters until 2010 (per wikipedia) < 1612214078 428032 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: EBCDIC has the letters in traditional alphabetic order, but not contiguous < 1612214130 122597 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're hex 81-89, 91-99, A2-A9 < 1612214146 637588 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sure, but the not contiguous doesn't matter for alphabetization < 1612214148 730893 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot why this is, but it probably relates to its history as an extension of BCD (numerals are F0-F9) < 1612214206 305506 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it relates to the Hollerith punch card encoding < 1612214243 915707 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in ASCII they're 30-39 < 1612214273 653463 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that counts as an external concern: the low 4 bits of an ASCII numeral give you its binary/BCD representation < 1612214293 798603 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas just having them contiguous in an arbitary place wouldn't < 1612214298 59109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the single bit uppercase/lowercase thing count as well? < 1612214329 836933 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any interesting relationships between ASCII and Baudot/ITA2? < 1612214592 846534 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I learned (although I may have already learned, and forgotten) about the use of ASCII character ENQ < 1612214595 776092 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enquiry_character < 1612214637 177814 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :when sent to a Telex machine it would automatically reply with an identification string encoded on a rotating drum < 1612214666 451350 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful when leaving messages at an unattended machine. you could check that you reached the right recipient, and also check that the connection was not dropped by sending it again at the end < 1612214710 473569 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a character also exists in ITA2, called WRU for "Who aRe yoU?" < 1612215044 606121 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"interesting relationships between ASCII and Baudot/ITA2" => I don't think so, apart from stuff that both ASCII and Baudot wants independently, like how space, which is one of the most common characters, has just one hole < 1612215144 905710 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if WRU is ever used in amateur RTTY < 1612215254 916909 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do you think there's a better ordering for the latin alphabet than the phoenecian-derived one? what would you prefer? < 1612216165 111041 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1612216397 386163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80488&oldid=80399 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+791) 10almost there... < 1612216409 216346 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1612216427 719879 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1612216570 220341 :ubq323!~ubq323@host86-154-198-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1612217270 409128 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1612217296 350875 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1612218066 89771 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612218147 109873 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb JOIN :#esoteric < 1612219305 607066 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not sure. the difficulty is that the latin alphabet is used for a lot of very different languages and they use many letters in very different ways. < 1612219418 34352 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might want something with vowels first or last, consonants in two series that are voiced then unvoinced, pairs in the same order, something like AIUOEYBDGVZJMNLRPTKFSCH < 1612219548 201104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETAOIN SHRDLU < 1612219554 440386 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1612219580 637839 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's sort of a coordination problem, because you'd have to get all languages to use a similar order, just like how now basically all languages that use latin letters use the same order, except maybe for a few letters, and even all languages that use cyrillic scripts (sometimes very differently) use one consistent order, and that's not even considering greek/hebrew/arabic gemmatria < 1612219698 135931 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and braille latin letters have a mnemonic that only works with the current alphabetic order: ABCDEFGHIJ is represented the same as 1234567890, add a lower dot and it's KLMNOPQRST, add two lower dots and it's UVXYZ < 1612219792 721923 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the braille alphabet is quite old, it might actually have already been clearly established by the time the Hollerith and EBCDIC encodings were decided on < 1612219797 161499 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might have been too late because of that < 1612219806 244833 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the history of Braille, so I can't tell really < 1612219985 501112 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the keyboard layout used for hot metal typesetting! < 1612219989 865322 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I was also reading about last night < 1612220001 541137 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many other things also work with the existing alphabetical order, including ASCII, punch cards, telephone numbers, etc. < 1612220007 479948 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I went from video terminals -> teletypes -> punched tape -> hot metal typesetting, kind of a backwards in time thing) < 1612220120 62126 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's evolving, but backwards < 1612220213 802209 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's how this started. " I'll also note that EBCDIC encoding letters in traditional alphabetic order was the one and only chance to get rid of the traditional phoenician-derived order of the letters in the alphabet and invent an entirely new order" < 1612220356 385377 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612220606 362262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were alphabetic orders made up by numerology? I know there are many different kinds of alphabets with different orders, and at least some of them are based on numerology. < 1612220617 992316 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1612221352 110978 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1612222142 538155 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1612222442 97927 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which ones are those? < 1612222497 242034 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend whose four year old son is really into different alphabets < 1612222505 823396 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told her she should try to teach him Hangul < 1612222533 17640 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best < 1612222644 767187 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember, but I think I read that somewhere.