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01:33:28 <nakilon> int-e what is AME?
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01:40:07 <oerjan> ask me everything, obviously. the more strenuous version of AMA.
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01:45:58 <shachaf> A Monster's Expedition
01:46:08 <shachaf> (But oerjan's answer is better. You should ask oerjan everything.)
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01:59:26 <nakilon> so spending an hour I've marked up 65 post titles -- made own markup system that fits my "fake titles" algorithm
02:00:38 <nakilon> how I think that if I take some existing library I can ask it to mark up both the 65 titles and any number of others
02:01:19 <nakilon> and when it marks up some word in the other title it can find the similar word from those that I've marked up and copy my marking
02:01:49 <nakilon> should be almost correct
02:02:04 <nakilon> *now I think that
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05:01:21 <esowiki> [[Or]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80550&oldid=79878 * IFcoltransG * (+0) /* Description */ Spelling
05:02:25 <esowiki> [[Or]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80551&oldid=80550 * IFcoltransG * (+1) More Spelling
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11:22:38 <nakilon> fizzie, what does "stalker mode" mean here? https://esolangs.org/logs/
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11:24:47 <shachaf> Live updates.
11:25:08 <int-e> it's for people who'd otherwise keep reloading the current log to see what's going on on the channel, without logging into IRC
11:25:12 <fizzie> Breakage is what it means.
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11:25:24 <fizzie> What shachaf and int-e describe is what it *should* be.
11:25:52 <int-e> so... stalkers, who observe without being seen
11:26:11 <fizzie> But it uses a websocket-based fancy thing to get a real-time feed, and there's something odd wrong with the websocket support of the embedded HTTP server it's using, so it occasionally breaks the rest of the logs web frontend.
11:26:25 <fizzie> (I don't know exactly what the circumstances are.)
11:26:26 <int-e> oh
11:26:55 <fizzie> I should try to update to the latest version of that code, maybe they've accidentally fixed it by now.
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11:32:35 <nakilon> ok, thx
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11:33:58 <nakilon> my russian news website proxy RSS was limited to 100 entries, the /r/programming top-month (and currently any other Reddit posts feeds for some reason) are limited to 64 entries
11:34:26 <nakilon> so to test my idea I need some bigger source of quotes and I'm gonna use this channel logs then ..D
11:34:45 <arseniiv> hi
11:35:16 <nakilon> hi
11:35:18 <arseniiv> oh, these logs are awesome if you filter all service messages like who joins and leaves
11:35:35 <nakilon> yeah, gotta filter out usernames as well
11:35:57 <nakilon> arseniiv, are you russian-speaking?
11:36:03 <arseniiv> yep
11:37:07 <nakilon> check out these fake news (learned on 100 recent lentaru entries): "Ученые захотели картофель цивилизации Навального", "В США в центре Москвы заподозрили мир"
11:38:51 <arseniiv> :D :D
11:43:07 <fizzie> fungot: What's your position on the fake news media? 
11:43:07 <fungot> fizzie: so sarahbot is broken."
11:43:16 <fizzie> ^style europarl
11:43:16 <fungot> Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
11:43:23 <fizzie> fungot: Please elucidate.
11:43:23 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, i very much welcome the response and their three key recommendations to improve the awareness and training of seafarers, access to information, access to the network and equal and fair operating and profit rules, since its accession to the eu' s priority is to be expected that the commission should look at the plants and on our television screens and the cultural identity of each country to have a group, t
11:44:01 <fizzie> TBH, the commission "looking at -- our television screens" sounds like they're just goofing off.
11:44:06 <arseniiv> I misread “elucidate” as “euclidiate”
11:44:11 <int-e> fungot: please keep it witin the 30 seconds time frame
11:44:12 <fungot> int-e: mr president, the commission fnord. on the other hand, a highly security-conscious, repressive and utilitarian vision geared to their own independent, sovereign state. i approached an elderly man there as well. there is no repetition of such unscrupulous behaviour by cowboy operators.
11:44:35 <int-e> arseniiv: that's uncanny because I also did that
11:44:59 <arseniiv> :D
11:45:03 <Taneb> Is the fnording per style or global
11:45:26 <fizzie> Taneb: The amount of fnording depends on the style, but the word itself is global.
11:45:38 <Taneb> I mean, what gets mapped to "fnord"
11:45:45 <shachaf> Haneb
11:45:50 <shachaf> Did you rescue any kittens?
11:45:55 <Taneb> A few but not many
11:45:59 <Taneb> I haven't got the hang of it yet
11:46:06 <fizzie> It's how fungot pronounces the special token `UNK`, which is used at least in some styles to replace words that are very infrequent.
11:46:07 <fungot> fizzie: mr president, over the last three years, and its secretariat. as you well know, of course, saying that it is simply a copy of the letter to me from indonesia offers a ray of hope. despite these reservations concerning the molitor report and the other is urban policy. when the white paper on food safety, are, firstly, i should like to start by expressing my hope and my expectation that the parliament itself calls into qu
11:46:14 <int-e> fungot: is it part of the model generation or baked into fungot?
11:46:15 <fungot> int-e: mr president, again it is also important in the context of council discussions. on the issue, at all times, the commissioner, in relation to what are known as the ' prodi amendment' and the thinking included in your files, should replace nothing, but was planned by mr milosevic nearly eight years ago and is now defined in the santer package, since objective 5a and 5b of the structural funds, as we hope it will we can sti
11:46:22 <int-e> fizzie is it part of the model generation or baked into fungot?
11:46:22 <fungot> int-e: mr president, i wish to mention two issues which have been working behind the scenes, but to combating such an important question, and, in general, and to try to make democracy work for ordinary people. there is no question about that.
11:46:38 <int-e> fungot: oh stfu
11:46:38 <fungot> int-e: mr president, i wish to thank the commission for remaining relatively modest and not having claimed, like some of the palestinian territories. it is an issue of such importance! do not take a stand in the way that we want and have just decided not to include them as beneficiaries of social policy. i think it would be wrong for us to be able to reach a universally satisfactory solution.
11:47:21 <fizzie> The word itself is baked into. Replacing infrequent words is part of the training. It's in fact a pretty standard practice of ngram language models, except that when you're using them to just give likelihood scores to sentences, it's a lot less "visible" than when you're using them generatively.
11:48:29 <fizzie> The actual fnording happens in https://github.com/fis/fun%67ot/blob/master/fun%67ot.b98#L157
11:49:11 <arseniiv> wwait so fungot is spelled with an IPA ɡ?
11:49:11 <fungot> arseniiv: mr president, we are moving forward significantly, but i would prefer a different wording which will render the constitutionally protected rights acquired by the anti-globalisation movement by appearing to be sensitive in its dealings with us the united states
11:49:26 <fizzie> arseniiv: No, %67 is just the standard ASCII g.
11:49:34 <fizzie> I just escaped it to avoid the spam.
11:49:52 <arseniiv> rofoldl
11:50:28 <Taneb> arseniiv: rofoldl has bad strictness properties, you should generally use either rofoldr to rofoldl'
11:52:32 <arseniiv> Taneb: I know, that’s why I… oops where did all the memory go
11:52:45 <int-e> fizzie: somehow, github doesn't like that trick at all
11:55:03 <int-e> ( https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/notfound.png )
11:56:00 <int-e> (made more irritating because Firefox pretty-prints the %67 as 'g')
11:56:18 <nakilon> what trick? https://i.imgur.com/b29FeOn.png
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12:01:53 <fizzie> Weeird. Worked for me.
12:02:30 <Taneb> I click the link, it says "Not found", I press enter in the address bar, it resolves as expected
12:02:42 <fizzie> Computers: they're hard. :/
12:03:11 <Taneb> (I am using Firefox, if it helps)
12:03:33 <shachaf> int-e's link says notfound for me.
12:03:37 <shachaf> But I haven't clicked it.
12:05:54 <int-e> Taneb: oh, so pressing return is not the same as marking the URL and pasting it again...
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12:41:38 <fizzie> I once drew a just-for-fun chart of "relationships" between people on a forum I was archiving, based on who mentioned whose name most frequently. A handful of people who were pretty much never posting ended up being the most popular ones around, because they had common (Finnish) words as their user names.
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13:03:44 <nakilon> looks like there is a channel ##nlp
13:04:13 <nakilon> I might visit it some day to share my shame
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13:34:42 <nakilon> I think I'll just whitelist those words when I find them
13:38:05 <nakilon> 19:49:56 <world> Hi
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17:16:42 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Cirrubec *  New user account
17:17:11 <b_jonas> "made more irritating because Firefox pretty-prints the %67 as 'g'" => yes, but it gives the real URL when you copy-paste the whole thing, not the pretty-printed version
17:18:57 <b_jonas> "<fizzie> A handful of people who were pretty much never posting ended up being the most popular ones around, because they had common (Finnish) words as their user names." => that happens here on #esoteric too
17:19:50 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80556&oldid=80535 * Cirrubec * (+143) 
17:20:26 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80557&oldid=80556 * Cirrubec * (+64) 
17:20:35 <esowiki> [[Talk:Qwote]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80558&oldid=70577 * Cirrubec * (+3156) 
17:20:48 <esowiki> [[Talk:Qwote]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80559&oldid=80558 * Cirrubec * (+2) 
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18:57:33 <int-e> pfft. 'Buy Baba's Sausage Expedition - Puzzle Game Masterpieces BUNDLE'
18:58:34 <int-e> (currently on Steam, contains Baba is You, Stephen's Sausage Roll and A Monster's Expedition))
18:59:02 <kmc> heh-
19:09:14 <nakilon> "Baba is You" reminds me XOR
19:09:42 <nakilon> https://www.mobygames.com/game/xor/screenshots
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19:13:43 <esowiki> [[0]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80561&oldid=80560 * Baidicoot * (+57) /* Instructions */
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19:17:05 <esowiki> [[0]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80564&oldid=80563 * Baidicoot * (+79) /* Implementations */
19:19:21 <esowiki> [[0]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80565&oldid=80564 * Baidicoot * (+35) /* Implementations */
19:24:16 <esowiki> [[0]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80566&oldid=80565 * Baidicoot * (+42) /* Haskell */
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22:59:37 <fizzie> "A query on a continuous aggregate will, by default, use real-time aggregation (first introduced in TimescaleDB 1.7) to combine materialized aggregates with recent data from the source hypertable." So shiny.
23:00:14 <fizzie> (Been looking for a reasonable time-series database, after having given up on Graphite and InfluxDB in the past.)
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23:24:44 <shachaf> Why did you give up on them?
23:25:13 <shachaf> Hmm, I've been thinking a bunch about a query language for relational data that would be nicer than SQL.
23:25:21 <shachaf> I should probably think about time series data too.
23:27:02 <fizzie> I'm not sure I remember all the details, and the reasons might not have been particularly reasonable.
23:27:04 <zzo38> One alternative to SQL might be Tutorial D, although I have not worked with it.
23:27:30 <fizzie> For example, I think I gave up on InfluxDB because it was constantly using 2-3% of CPU time of the machine it was running on even when not doing anything.
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23:28:45 <fizzie> For Graphite, I think I just found it annoyingly inflexible w.r.t. labels and such, and also complicated to configure. If memory serves, you had to put everything in a slash-separated metric name. 
23:29:33 <int-e> "Don’t worry about cardinality."
23:30:20 <shachaf> By the way, I found out about perf top recently. Did you know about it?
23:30:38 <fizzie> TimescaleDB, as far as I've understood so far, is a PostgreSQL extension, and I used to kind of understand PostgreSQL. Also, the idea of being able to write SQL kind of sounds like it'd be like using [REDACTED] and [REDACTED].
23:31:23 <fizzie> Oh, I guess Dremel isn't redacted.
23:31:44 <fizzie> And F1 isn't redacted either, so never mind those redactions.
23:34:57 <fizzie> Looks like "from the release of the 1.1.x series", Graphite's learned about tags, so that criticism is probably no longer valid. (Also, the metric path was '.'-delimited rather than '/'-delimited.)
23:35:01 <zzo38> I know to work SQLite, but I don't know how the time scale queries will be needing.
23:37:48 <shachaf> Man, using Dremel was part of what got me in the anti-SQL mood.
23:38:58 <fizzie> I can see how it could. But it hasn't for me.
23:40:36 <Hooloovo0> perf is a really useful tool, as long as your stuff is supported... which is only really the case for major architectures
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23:42:54 <fizzie> shachaf: Did you see that musical? 
23:43:30 <shachaf> I'm not sure what you mean, so probably not?
23:43:35 <fizzie> shachaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpASkz0JU0
23:44:28 <fizzie> It's a bit long. And maybe in questionable taste for some parts. But I did find it amusing too.
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