< 1613089385 675886 :heka!~user@pop.92-184-108-91.mobile.abo.orange.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1613089584 188202 :heka!~user@pop.92-184-108-91.mobile.abo.orange.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1613089597 646241 :heka!~user@pop.92-184-108-91.mobile.abo.orange.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1613089845 322911 :heka!~user@pop.92-184-108-91.mobile.abo.orange.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1613089866 95244 :heka!~user@pop.92-184-108-91.mobile.abo.orange.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1613089952 514266 :heka!~user@pop.92-184-108-91.mobile.abo.orange.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1613091516 487359 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1613093119 697027 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0 < 1613093509 56093 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1613093710 42693 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't DVD rot in 10 years or so? < 1613094007 843754 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613094135 53379 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki is saying this is the most active forum even though the discord has 4 times the members < 1613094244 834675 :GGmahdude74!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613094262 144117 :GGmahdude74!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 QUIT :Client Quit < 1613094533 228800 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having more members does not necessarily make it more active, though. < 1613094639 143006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if the discord was more active, too. < 1613094658 189357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the wiki was almost certainly correct when it was written. < 1613094698 147120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know anything about the discord, or any other discord, in case that sounded like it, I've just understood that to be a common pattern.) < 1613094730 418591 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it also might have been changed over time. However, at least in my opinion, IRC is much better in many ways. < 1613094758 389434 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, if you want to, you might write, "(as of [date])" in the wiki.) < 1613094839 154353 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the 2003 logs from this forum? < 1613094886 951054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. There are definitely logs from the year 2003 of this channel. < 1613094960 168565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also some (not updated since 2016) charts of channel activity, showing that this place peaked around 2010-2011: https://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/activity_lines.html < 1613095046 388631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know there's a lot flashier webby graphing frameworks around these days, but there's something quite pleasant about RRDtool output, however clunky it is.) < 1613095066 557474 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same time as the esoteric forum got spammed to death < 1613095128 49743 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didnt even know there were open sources discord alternatives too < 1613095134 923107 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discord is a cancer website that was made popular by intregrating it with League of Legends because their game devs were too lame to implement voice chat so they outsourced it to that website project < 1613095139 329208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that predated this channel was the sange.fi mailing list, and the thing that predated *that* mailing list was the other mailing list, and I don't know what predated that. < 1613095219 829419 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like mailing list so much I think that NNTP is better. However, the implementation could be made to support the same messages with both mailing list and NNTP. < 1613095230 883417 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've succeed in making it popular because most of the gamers don't have a clue in software and just weren't told there are already such things as IRC, Quakenet, Teamspeak, etc., and that they don't really HAVE to register themselves on that website and pass all their private messaging via their proprietary servers < 1613095278 577704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think cancer is a lot worse than Discord. Cancer kills millions of people every year, whereas Discord allows millions of people to communicate with each other (even if I have some objections to the specifics). < 1613095364 659235 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discord does not allow to communicate -- it's working in the opposite way < 1613095400 772981 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those people who are there were here I would communicate with them but they are not here because they've been told that they have to use Discord since it's the only existing way to communicate in the internet < 1613095417 604201 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Discord either. < 1613095434 706169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I communicate with people using Discord that I wouldn't otherwise. < 1613095442 988666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using a third-party client, though, usually.) < 1613095478 814714 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there are bridges between IRC and that cancer < 1613095571 216294 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile I've finally finished the autotagger -- now the talking thing can learn words from any amount of logs I pass to it < 1613095595 975218 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but logs of this channel require a bit of cleaning because there are messages with code, regexes, xml, etc. < 1613095678 651545 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the autotagging has 72% accuracy that means there is 28% of potentially grammarly incorrect text pieces < 1613095862 915505 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now need to implement the IRC client and something to make responses respect the context < 1613095900 839882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with IRC bridges that's most annoying is how they (at least on the IRC side) make all comments from the other side look like they're coming from the same person. (I'm on one bridged channel, with maybe an 80%/20% split in terms of comments in favour of IRC.) < 1613095981 443317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discord has many advantages over IRC, such as storing history on the server side, so you don't have to stay constantly connected, and supporting voice. < 1613095992 15620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being easy for people who just want to chat to use. < 1613096004 325079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta recognize those advantages even if you don't like Discord. < 1613096037 342632 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be better if the bridge is integrated with IRC server somehow so the PRIVMSG would be not from a bot but from a original nickname in another chat < 1613096055 731528 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storing history on the server side is a feature of the implementation, not the protocol. It would be possible for a IRC server to do this too. < 1613096067 523281 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is just that, most don't.) < 1613096075 175936 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that one's IRC client won't crash if he gets the PRIVMSG to the channel from the person that isn't here) < 1613096162 811860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, it's a feature of the protocol, surely? < 1613096180 542689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ask the server to search history and to fetch particular parts incrementally and things like that. < 1613096181 829424 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :history does not have to be stored in the server, because: 1. it's a commercial project and they are profiting from integration with Twitch to sell lootboxes -- they don't give any fuck about preserving your history and will delete or corrupt it in any moment < 1613096199 168499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nothing stops you from storing history locally too. < 1613096230 332287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying, you gotta recognize the benefits, rather than calling people gamers who don't have a clue in software. < 1613096241 686584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be https://twitter.com/1990slinuxuser < 1613096250 45323 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. because it's basically not a secure practice to store history without making the chat owner implicitly enable it -- I don't need my logs to be synced to undetermined amount of machines < 1613096286 180344 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The Discord protocol may have commands to access the history, unlike IRC, but that doesn't mean a IRC server can't do that. The logs could be available in a HTTP or Gopher server, and/or the IRC server could provide an extension command to access the logs. < 1613096289 301609 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you are just triggered < 1613096302 676520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but the things you're describing are certainly part of the protocol. < 1613096314 507352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it goes over Gopher or whatever. A regular IRC client won't know to do this. < 1613096322 140561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Discord supports longer messages, and also images. < 1613096327 784556 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens to gamers when they hear something they didn't realise and that is critical towards the services they use < 1613096360 522802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you've got it in one. < 1613096375 156595 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRC server could also easily increase the maximum message length. (If it is long enough, you could post images using a data: URI. I have actually seen this once, although the image was split across several consecutive messages.) < 1613096393 410973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just lying when I said I object to things about Discord. What I meant to say is that it's perfect. < 1613096399 386675 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no need in images in the text chat < 1613096422 428243 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I mostly agree. (And in the few cases that you do need images, usually you can just post a URL.) < 1613096484 195580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you quite sure "triggering" isn't what happens when IRC people hear the slightest nonnegative opinions about a thing they hate? Because I can't exactly tell the difference. < 1613096508 668266 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true, a regular IRC client won't know how to access logs over Gopher or HTTP, but it could be mentioned in the server's HELP file (and the MOTD could mention it too). Even this IRC has the URLs of logs in the TOPIC message (even though it is client-side logging). < 1613096551 104330 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is "Discord has many advantages over IRC" nonnegative? < 1613096564 765068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying it's negative, then? < 1613096581 453082 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chats with images, server side logs and voice communications existed before Discord -- for example Skype < 1613096607 207568 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these tools are just for different purposes and one can't have "advantages over" another one < 1613096628 805233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very confused about what I was interpreted as saying. < 1613096637 798631 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is for communication, Discord is for memes and noisy voice chat rooms < 1613096748 606546 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if the channel is public, then it should be OK to save the logs. If the channel is private, then they might not want logs saved. < 1613096842 230873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just sounds like nonsense. Even without ever using it myself, I'm pretty sure there's some amount of people using it for what's unquestionably "communication" instead of "memes" and "noisy voice chat rooms", just based on what I've heard from people I can't imagine would have any reason to mislead. < 1613096861 42881 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only bad side of Slack btw -- once the Team owner buys the "premium plan" it can read all chats < 1613096878 102397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've no idea how big a fraction that is of their total user base, and since I don't know anything about it, I don't think I care to argue about it particularly much.) < 1613096895 956198 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, people do use Discord for communication, but IRC is better; for one thing, it can be used without specialized software. < 1613096935 107507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, depends on the kind of communications being made. For some things, email, NNTP, etc may be better.) < 1613096964 643940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sounds to me like you're a gamer and you heard something you didn't like. < 1613097026 471160 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613097027 302580 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other people prefer Matrix over IRC, and bridges between Matrix and IRC do exist.) < 1613097052 116029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't like Matrix/IRC bridges. < 1613097066 642218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC doesn't support the same features, and the bridges compensate for that by writing annoying text. < 1613097067 793828 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie the thing is that taking all kinds of people who are using Discord I meet in internet 99% of them just didn't hear about IRC, 99,9% never used IRC, 90% didn't hear about Teamspeak, most of them didn't really try to use other services to collectively share screen or use webcam -- Discord users are mostly just those who didn't know about < 1613097068 48513 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software that already existed < 1613097068 48561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've heard you can't argue with success, and the fact this IRC/Discord thing has been the longest "conversation" (if you want to call it that) in a long while says something about the success of this particular channel in particular, which I (from looking at netsplit.de charts) suspect is more widely applicable than that. < 1613097076 636287 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1613097110 572244 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1613097115 469062 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how impractical things become popular -- you just need to put enough advertising in it; IRC isn't monetized by default while Discord is -- they made it to integrate games, twitch and stuff < 1613097186 735208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's quite interesting how freenode's been a lot more resistant, though. Truly this is the Rivendell of IRC networks. Or is it Lorien? Anyway. < 1613097346 964188 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amount of talk about anything does not mean that it is cool < 1613097348 137028 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a server that supports multiple protocols for the same messages or files is possible. Features that one doesn't have, other one might have, although extensions are possible, if the protocol supports that. There are different kind of communication, so you would only use the protocols for those kind of communication. < 1613097401 275629 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some features that some users (or administrator) might just not want. < 1613097722 391739 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like NNTP? < 1613098032 943527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the Usenet network in the abstract (or did back when I still partook of it). I don't have much of an opinion on the protocol. I got the impression it had some slightly obscure things around how control messages are treated? And I also heard that one specific server was hard to administer, but that's an implementation detail. < 1613098051 833612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :INN, right. < 1613098159 212779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like TCP? < 1613098164 874752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran a very small NNTP-based network for a small group, but not sure with what. Definitely used Leafnode at some point as a local caching/batching thing for newsreading. < 1613098228 435243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our university's local NNTP newsgroups had a group called "-h" for the CS students (all the other groups were under a more conventional hierarchy of groups), and I don't think I ever found out why it was named like that. < 1613098265 267034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the group where the script you ran when someone left their screen unlocked and their account logged in posted the message to. < 1613098267 651791 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought so too (and INN also does a lot more than I need), so I wrote my own implementation, which stores the messages in a SQLite database. (Some things are not currently implemented, but should be in future, such as authentication, and full support for copying messages between servers (it might be a separate program, which may be set up in cron or anacron).) < 1613098325 620136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should've archived those newsgroups, wonder why I never thought of that. They're gone now. < 1613098381 341505 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in future, alternative interfaces (also as separate programs) with the same database, might also be implemented. Other people can help with that if wanted, I suppose.) < 1613098382 843069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like they probably weren't accessible from outside the university or student campus networks either. < 1613098544 386864 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you remember what was written on those newsgroups? > 1613098635 558648 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80691&oldid=80659 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+152) 10/* Digital root */ < 1613098800 521010 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1613098864 380959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80692&oldid=80691 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-4) 10/* Numbers */ < 1613099085 373897 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1613099111 241323 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry for being a bit edgy < 1613099156 494181 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1613099266 96049 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy Chinese New Year / Lunar New Year < 1613100068 215934 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I might make Chinese cookies < 1613100218 781942 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any rule in English that adjective can't go before the pronoun? like "additional horse" is ok, "it runs" is ok, "horse runs" is ok, but "additional it" isn't ok < 1613100241 568760 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoped to see it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoun but no < 1613100557 674758 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, https://ell.stackexchange.com/q/116505/33819 < 1613101804 105099 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613102007 127088 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1613104335 882029 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1613104384 831916 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1613105672 113570 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esme/esme.pl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80693&oldid=80690 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1010) 10disable UTF-8 output to enable arbitrary binary data generation > 1613106250 922334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esme/esme.pl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80694&oldid=80693 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+26) 10heading < 1613110205 314539 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1613113687 828200 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1613114128 608777 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1613115516 131680 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1613115717 351660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1613116685 385171 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1613116860 699299 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confused Maze {?} World Tribal Enchantment - Wall ;; Objects enter the battlefield tapped. < 1613119823 903233 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1613119868 145370 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1613121498 313794 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-uahnwohpsrzodiqs QUIT :Quit: dionys < 1613121509 801477 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-tkapqqtlebfdhwjt JOIN :#esoteric < 1613122573 46116 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1613122717 974561 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit > 1613124920 935105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esme/esme.pl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80695&oldid=80694 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-17) 10remove .pl extension < 1613125194 356472 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613125739 566198 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:f98c:c7c5:4041:2efd JOIN :#esoteric > 1613125968 121675 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80696&oldid=41893 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+216) 10A possible Esme implementation. Works according to the info available from this wiki < 1613126621 401237 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwcdqchhaybayrif QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1613126631 175363 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.2.1.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1613127593 313236 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613128241 629118 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:f98c:c7c5:4041:2efd QUIT :Quit: We must know, we will know < 1613128383 829133 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1613130348 630441 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0 < 1613133300 149349 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1613133839 217313 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1613134204 262729 :LKoen_!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1613134354 823341 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1613135282 837246 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613137092 818511 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1613137283 954898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lohk 5* 10New user account < 1613137292 361337 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1613138142 543228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1613139309 505217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tasty Kiwi 5* 10New user account > 1613139318 626092 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* 10New user account < 1613139821 826048 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1613140788 554532 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1613141610 385063 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1613142548 391111 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1613143191 147752 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1613143960 978298 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1613146384 589919 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03IOKG04 5* 10New user account < 1613147187 601747 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1613147266 262666 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80697&oldid=80686 5* 03IOKG04 5* (+188) 10/* Introductions */ < 1613148392 85235 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1613148546 232446 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1613149964 996148 :LKoen_!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1613150557 236601 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1613151456 678794 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1613151796 121398 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1613153514 770076 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how it can be hard to find the sockets on the back of monitor, because monitors are heavy and big so you can't easily rotate them to see those sockets, right? and you know who the typical TFT monitor is shaped like an elognated letter D, with the flat side facing the viewer and the curved side on the back getting ventillation? and how a HDMI connector is also shaped like an elognated letter D? < 1613153520 773231 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be such a great mnemonic if the HDMI socket were placed on the monitor such that the flat side faces towards the viewer, but no! it's backwards, at least on some monitors. WHY? why do they design such a connector then mess up the mnemonic? < 1613153554 129690 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI isn't even the first digital monitor port, that's DVI, so by the time HDMI was invented they'd have had experience to know all this. < 1613153756 829650 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re your public files, are "gopher://zzo38computer.org/" and "http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/" the only roots? I don't promise anything because I have a backlog of useful websites that I should download, but neither "http://zzo38computer.org/" nor the gopher root seems to link to the fossil directory, so there might be more roots that I missed < 1613154104 841424 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, Nintendo's new Mario game has this schtick where every enemy is turned to a cat by adding cat ears and sometimes a cat tail: it has cat goombas, cat koopas, cat piranha plants, catfish etc. So now I wonder: does unicode have a combining cat ears character, so that we can represent a multiocular o with cat ears in unicode text? < 1613154675 565839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the HDMI mnemonic, I wonder if that's just things like the HDMI connector they got sourced the cheapest being oriented a given way in terms of the PCB it's mounted to, and there being some practical reason where that board's in. < 1613154712 427716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is annoying. I usually try to feel for those sockets, but my fingertips aren't good enough to really tell the orientation, especially when it's hard to reach in the first place. > 1613154823 715430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80698&oldid=80697 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+174) 10/* Introductions */ < 1613154872 629626 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, the female socket in the monitor is completely sunken into the housing, just like with USB, so you can't feel it, you can only feel the cutout on the plastic cover, which doesn't help enough > 1613154897 732369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pewlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80699 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+902) 10Created page with "Pewlang is an [[esoteric programming language]], that translates to [[brainfuck]]. It was mostly inspired by [[Z]] and was made as a joke in the [https://pewpew.live/discord P..." > 1613155048 310090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80700&oldid=80698 5* 03Tasty Kiwi 5* (+203) 10 > 1613155213 492797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tasty Kiwi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80701 5* 03Tasty Kiwi 5* (+80) 10Created page with "I am one of the creators of [[Pewlang]]. I like coding in Python and JavaScript." > 1613155234 634866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80702&oldid=79895 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+141) 10/* Example Members of the TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution family */ < 1613155634 210037 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0 < 1613155877 457105 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1613157002 418501 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1613158016 282813 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1613158632 357362 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1613160993 466783 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pewlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80703&oldid=80699 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+3042) 10 < 1613161154 129010 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The files in the gopher are dynamic; only the URLs starting with "gopher://zzo38computer.org/1textfile/" are not dynamic. For the Fossil repositories, you must use the Fossil protocol to clone them; simply downloading the file won't work. < 1613161217 759506 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, then let's say "gopher://zzo38computer.org/1textfile/" is one of the roots < 1613161243 162496 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I can clone from the fossil repositories (could pull from some of them some years ago at least) < 1613161311 838952 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://zzo38computer.org/" should probably link to the fossil directory, and to "http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/" which mirrors the gopher < 1613161401 723805 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I will fix that later. Right now I will shower and eat, and then I can find if there are other files that should be, and fix that. > 1613161628 377829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pewlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80704&oldid=80703 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (-35) 10 < 1613164062 555708 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0 > 1613167385 656490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Shimakaze-Kan 5* 10New user account < 1613167609 513526 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal > 1613167647 562575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80705&oldid=80700 5* 03Shimakaze-Kan 5* (+167) 10 > 1613168030 305606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pancake Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80706&oldid=80478 5* 03Shimakaze-Kan 5* (+131) 10Added IDE link < 1613168663 339540 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1613168976 402135 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1613169037 9204 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1613169797 352159 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1613169884 96931 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1613170498 873312 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1613170540 831515 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1613170828 344322 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1613171307 21626 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1613171308 763963 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1613171758 386441 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1613172076 379714 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1613172180 207448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some other files, and there is also other things such as the NNTP service; maybe I should add some way to make backups remotely in a way which only copies changed files and can easily be extended for use with multiple types of realms (ordinary files, collections of artifacts referenced by hashes (e.g. Fossil repositories), netnews articles, etc). < 1613172417 352353 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1613172741 157372 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if rsync supports such extensions) < 1613173256 375504 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1613173509 367861 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1613173743 755902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use zsync for publicly available backups of the wiki contents, but I'm not sure it's really worth the hassle. I think it's mostly intended to do what rsync would do (download only changed blocks) even when the file is served from a "dumb" HTTP server, as long as it supports range requests. And I don't think it easily extends to other kinds of data. < 1613174388 92124 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection