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07:44:59 <zzo38> Once Free Hero Mesh is ready for public testing, will anyone on here help with that? (It requires SQLite and SDL1 (I have not tested it with any of the SDL compatibility layers, but you can if you want to). Compiling it requires a C compiler with GNU extensions; if you wish to modify the instruction set or resource set, then Node.js is also required. Have I missed anything?)
07:47:33 <zzo38> You can also complain about the documentation if there are some mistakes in it, too.
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13:27:50 <nakilon> I've suspended another irc chatbot thing because could not reach enough high quality -- there is no enough good English NLP tool available
13:28:45 <nakilon> while there is a tool for Russian language that provides muuuuch more data and I've switched back to the "fake news" idea that would mimic local popular news website
13:30:22 <nakilon> instead of having only 10% fully grammatically correct sentences I have 90%
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13:32:21 <nakilon> among them the half is a rule about verbs and I'm going to fix it now and another half probably can't be fixed because it's the error by the NLP tool
13:34:40 <nakilon> I suppose there is no such good tool for English because English is harder to analyze -- it's all about the order of words and the "word" sometimes is a several words being apart across the sentence
13:35:04 <nakilon> while in Russian the meaning of the word does not depend on order much -- it's all about suffixes that morph it
13:39:45 <nakilon> s/among them/among the 10% of erroneous sentences
13:40:04 <fizzie> A alphabetic be joke order program radio should suggested that word.
13:40:10 <fizzie> Can guess intended meaning the usually you.
13:40:15 <fizzie> But funny it may or sound still unusual.
13:40:22 <fizzie> A and be because being course harder if it it longer make many may more much of of of out possibilities sense sentence so there to write you.
13:41:20 <int-e> fungot: meet fizzie, your replacement
13:41:20 <fungot> int-e: but that makes things worse than ever! everybody is going straight to the top, since who cares, we've been to a wedding except t-rex. you need to work on my life management"
13:41:46 <fizzie> int-e: A as choose compliment I take that to.
13:42:03 <nakilon> the goal of understanding the meaning and goal to make the sentence grammatically correct (but not necessary have a meaning) are different though
13:43:17 <fizzie> (It works better in Finnish than in English too, because of the same thing with different word forms being used to indicate things rather than pronouns and order.)
13:43:27 <fizzie> (It was a Finnish radio program, of course.)
13:43:38 <nakilon> to learn a computer to generate correct sentences I have to show it them
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13:44:34 <nakilon> there are another copypastas -- about shuffling the letters within the word but only human would understand that ..D
13:45:26 <fizzie> fungot: You could spend a little more effort in making your sentences grammatical too.
13:45:26 <fungot> fizzie: are you you're going trick-or-treating this year i have the perfect gift idea of the indian that was alien, stoic, exotic and dying. ask me if there will ever be a way to do that? a website link you emailed me
13:45:27 <nakilon> learn and teach are учить и научить in Russian that are pretty similar words -- that's the source of a common mistake
13:46:37 <fizzie> (Oppia & opettaa in Finnish, so definitely linked there too.)
13:50:21 <int-e> but yeah, those russian ones are close, just a prefix...
13:50:50 <fizzie> It's lära / lära ut (or alternatively, undervisa) in Swedish, I think.
13:51:01 <nakilon> fizzie it IBNIZ's author finnish too?
13:51:51 <fizzie> Was that the thing viznut did? If so, yes.
13:52:57 <nakilon> I guess these are his rabbit holes: http://danieltemkin.com/
13:53:44 <fizzie> My impression was, that's a separate person and blog, which just had an article about IBNIZ.
13:54:39 <int-e> I learned russian... but forgot almost all of it. I still know "Я не понимаю по-русский." :P
13:55:37 <nakilon> "по-русски" answers the "in what language?" question, not "what language?"
13:56:01 <int-e> never got the hang of the р.
13:56:15 <int-e> (the pronunciation)
13:56:34 <nakilon> "заячий язык" means "language of rabbits", "по-заячи" means "in language of rabbits"
13:56:57 <nakilon> по-fungot-ски means "in the language of fungot"
13:56:58 <fungot> nakilon: i... um, i just i don't!! imagine if my liver came from an axe murderer? mine would be the liver, fish, eggs, honey.
13:57:19 <fizzie> The eggs and honey of an axe murderer.
13:57:20 <int-e> I'm sure we were taught to add по- in those contexts... but never asked why :P
13:57:23 <nakilon> fungot that does not sound tasty
13:57:23 <fungot> nakilon: look, you're trying to lead well, but has not been dispelled!
13:57:41 <fizzie> "извините, это место..." something, is the only bit I remember for the single Russian course I did back in university. It was about asking if a seat is free or something.
13:58:19 <int-e> oh well, at least the letters stuck
13:58:20 <fizzie> I think the only practical use of that was that at least I kind of remember the alphabet, which can be useful for street signs sometimes.
13:59:49 <nakilon> I guess the "я не говорю по-русски" is something that everybody learns in the first place, like even the most uneducated Russian knows "do you speak English?", "sprehen die deutsch?", "parle franceus?"
13:59:51 <fizzie> There's an old and tired joke in Finland about someone going to Russia for a visit, and then after coming back being surprised about how incredibly popular this PECTOPAH restaurant chain is, they're *everywhere*.
14:00:22 <int-e> "Навальный" is something that has come up these days (people spraying the name in the snow to get it removed was the story)
14:00:50 <nakilon> fizzie yeah that question about the sitting place would certainly work )
14:01:37 <int-e> there are also some fun transcriptions of english words like онлайн, I enjoy those.
14:02:27 <fizzie> It's fun to listen to people speak languages you don't know at work, because maybe 25% of the words are just internal acronyms and code names.
14:02:33 <fizzie> Well, was back when offices were a thing, anyway.
14:02:48 <nakilon> also ПАРИКМАХЕРСКАЯ barber shop brand
14:04:52 <nakilon> int-e Навальный is a guy with a team located in England -- they are working on investigating how oligarchs steal the money and give him this data to read on camera so he can build antigovernment moods, targets mostly on 15-17 years olds
14:05:24 <int-e> oh is that the russian story?
14:05:52 <int-e> it's fun to see propaganda from both sides :P
14:06:00 <fizzie> Heh, РЕСТОРАН and PECTOPAH look all different in this terminal, because I'm sticking with a bitmap font which apparently doesn't do Cyrillic, so the former gets picked from a fallback font.
14:07:49 <nakilon> int-e yeah his electorate are those who enough dumb to believe that Russian secret services are poisoning with a thing that does not kill anyone, lol, only makes them feel bad for a week, and after the "poisoning" they let the guy to fly to Germany...
14:07:50 <int-e> oh, "вокзал" (train station) is another fun transcription: Vauxhall.
14:09:13 <fizzie> Heh, back when I was commuting I switched from train to tube daily at Vauxhall.
14:09:24 <nakilon> lol, I didn't know about вокзал
14:09:57 <int-e> nakilon: and upon his return, this nobody's flight got diverted and he was arrested by a police squadron... makes sense.
14:10:31 <int-e> it's a city, which had (one of?) the first train station(s)
14:10:54 <fizzie> Wiktionary claims the "vaux" part of the name is from Falkes de Breauté -> Faulke's Hall -> Foxhall -> Vauxhall.
14:11:15 <int-e> or... hmm.. rather a part of London
14:11:30 <nakilon> int-e he's going to jail because he's spent all these years to do anti-government propaganda that is just plain illegal; and this fact that he was backed by England is now publicly uncovered
14:11:43 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_railway_station
14:12:45 <nakilon> (ср.-англ. Faukeshale 1279, ср.-англ. Faukeshalle 1292, англ. Fauxhall ~1600, англ. Fox Hall 1665, англ. Vaux-Hall 1719
14:12:56 <int-e> nakilon: now what exactly is the difference between opposition and anti-government propaganda
14:13:16 <fizzie> In here it's also a car brand, so if you say Vauxhall to someone with no context, I think it's about 50-50 chance which they think of first.
14:13:33 <fizzie> Anything that's an Opel elsewhere is Vauxhall here.
14:14:17 <fizzie> "Vauxhall's vehicle lineup is identical to that of Opel, but the Vauxhall brand is exclusively used in the UK (including the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man)."
14:14:56 <nakilon> int-e he's not advocating some party/guys who know better how to rule -- he only ruins the things, fooling the youth; his goal isn't doing good, his goal is doing bad
14:16:54 <int-e> I'm honestly not sure what his goals are, nor what kind of international support he has (in particular in areas that really matter--intelligence and money).
14:17:50 <nakilon> they said it on camera: out team is in England, we investigate from there, Navalny only talks
14:17:57 <int-e> But I do believe that the KGB tried to poison him... while trying to make it look like a natural death. It is surprisingly inept though.
14:18:45 <nakilon> there is no KGB, it was in USSR
14:19:13 <nakilon> and you think it's so dumb they use the poison that never kills, only makes sick for a week? like those father and daughter and now this one
14:19:23 <int-e> well, it does kill
14:19:44 <nakilon> and what a coincidence -- those two were in England too
14:20:08 <nakilon> if they wanted to kill they would just shoot
14:20:20 <nakilon> or prison, like they are doing right now
14:20:41 <int-e> nah... falling out of windows is the russian way :P
14:21:14 <int-e> (most recentlt... that doctor who first treated Navalny)
14:22:10 <nakilon> if the world already believes it's Novichok
14:22:20 <nakilon> lol, another logic absence
14:22:26 <nakilon> "they are bad because they are bad"
14:22:35 <nakilon> "they are doing thing randomly just because they are bad"
14:22:46 <nakilon> stupid russophobic propaganda
14:23:18 <nakilon> every person that dies in Russia is killed by Putin, aha
14:23:22 <int-e> I don't know why accidents happen to people connected to this poisoning episode :P
14:23:46 <nakilon> accidents happen to everyone, that's why they are accidents
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14:25:36 <nakilon> internal anti-government propaganda is what US uses to limit Russia's possible actions to protect itself
14:26:19 <nakilon> you make a million of youngsters to yell everywhere that Navalny is a hero and they can't arrest him because people in the world believe those youngsters
14:26:43 <nakilon> finally they've got those guys uncover themselves about being the team from England
14:27:40 <nakilon> another example is the nazi revolution and the following civil war in Ukraine -- by making foreigners believe the bullshit about "Russian military intervention" they made Russia unable to help their brothers to fight the nazis
14:28:00 <nakilon> ]there is no war with Russia, it's not declared -- did you know that? nope, you aren't even told
14:29:12 <int-e> The central aspect of all of this is to keep things ambiguous... there's a documentary about this, "Hypernormalization" by Adam Curtis... not anti-russian, since the techniques are being employed all around the world now
14:29:48 <nakilon> so Russia is unable to move a peacemaking militaries in because the Ukrainian nazi government is standing against that and moving against their will be let them finally declare a war after 7 years already -- that's what the west is waiting for
14:30:50 <int-e> Oh, there is no war *with* Russia... there's a military conflict in the Ukraine. And there's lots of hot talk around the Crimea situation.
14:31:27 <int-e> (the difference is what you said... a war would have to be declared)
14:31:44 <nakilon> building of nazi forces, battalions, teaching young people to throw a hand like Hitler did and keeping his portraits in their homes is a trend that Ukrainian government started doing intensively since 2004 but no one thought it will become a real danger so no one was informing other countries outside about that
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14:32:56 <nakilon> that's how it became possible that people with Hitler, Bandera and Shuhevich collaborationists portraits were yelling "kill Russians" and started burning the center of Kiev down in 2014 and no one outside understood what's going on just because the world wasn't informed
14:33:13 <nakilon> that made possible to spread the fakes about Russian intervention
14:35:03 <nakilon> int-e, while you say there is no "war with Russia", they are making these articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
14:35:25 <int-e> the really great thing about propaganda is that most of the time, you don't have to lie... you only have to select the right events and facts to report...
14:36:14 <int-e> and no, I don't feel I have any sort of objective truth about the Ukraine or any other conflicted region for that matter
14:36:22 <nakilon> I would give you dozens of articles about Ukrainian nazi movements and real active battaliions with swastikas and shit but such information can't spread because everything is censoring it by keywords, youtube is banning videos, hides, etc.
14:37:27 <nakilon> "you only have to select the right events" -- yes, select the facts of self-defense and declare it an aggression
14:37:46 <int-e> and I was serious about it being interesting to hear some of the other side's propaganda... if we think of this as a conflict between Russia and the western countries.
14:38:30 <nakilon> like when Ukraine declared the Donbass people a terrorists providing no terracts evidence and started using aviation and artillery to randomly bomb civilians doing the real terrorism but called it "an antiterroristic operation"
14:39:10 <int-e> they learned from the greatest... the USA :P
14:39:17 <nakilon> in result killed 9000 civilians, and only 3000 militaries died, mostly on Ukrainian side, and mostly by a suicide or killed by own squad
14:40:19 <nakilon> just check the facts and chronology, it's all open
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14:41:16 <nakilon> I'm telling you because I'm Ukrainian, I grew in this nationalistic propaganda, and I've visited Maidan in December 2013 to see with my own eyes
14:41:34 <nakilon> and my grandparents are from Donbass
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14:42:25 <nakilon> unlike the foreign mass media "trending news" consumer I was seeing how it was growing and I was following how it went in 2014
14:45:37 <nakilon> there is a ton of materials to show those nazis -- their current names, faces, not only leaders but even ordinary mercenaries, mercenaries from Europe countries, such as, for example, even from Germany, the guy is in Ukraine for money and "to shoot Russians", spending time in chatroulette in the evening
14:46:15 <nakilon> I don't want people here to be overwhelmed, we are taught to close the ears and eyes and not think about existence of such things as nazism, fascism, especially when they are real
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14:47:33 <nakilon> what stops the world from knowing the truth? the fact that the most popular resouces are the most censored
14:51:07 <nakilon> I'll try to end my talk by linking my own comment that has more links in it, though it ends with "etc. etc. etc." anyway because I know people don't give a fuck: https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditcancer/comments/kgxyw0/guy_gets_banned_for_being_offended_by_bible/ggl3shg/?context=3
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15:13:17 <b_jonas> fizzie: re PECTOPAH restaurant chain, the way we told that after visiting Austria that it's full of towns named Ausfahrt, the freeway has signs that lead there everywhere
15:14:31 <b_jonas> I guess if someone drove on the freeway in Hungary before 2021, they would make that joke about Pihenőhely
15:17:38 <b_jonas> fizzie: yes, exaxtly, a Vauxhall is just an Opel with the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car
15:18:49 <HackEso> query? No such file or directory
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15:19:45 <b_jonas> "<int-e> nah... falling out of windows is the russian way :P" =>
15:19:49 <HackEso> Defenestration is the traditional Czech system for voting out government officials.
15:25:37 <b_jonas> although I have been wondering what other traditional execution methods there are that are associated with some group, like defenestration, and guillotine beheadings with the french revolution
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16:16:51 <fizzie> Firing squads aren't probably associated with any particularly specific group, but they do have a military feel to me.
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18:20:58 <kritixilithos> so i've gone back to looking at the lambda cube again. i'm trying to understand wikipedia's example of a type that depends on types (see under system f⍵_) tree=\A:*.PB.(A→B)→(B→B→B)→B, so this means that `tree nat` = PB.(N→B)→(B→B→B)→B. so an element of tree nat would look like \B:*.\_:(N→B).\_:(B→B→B).<something of type B>, but how would this (the `< ... >`) actually
18:21:00 <kritixilithos> look like? how would, say, (leaf 2:tree int) be represented?
18:21:27 <kritixilithos> or is this going to be some church encoding black magic-esque?
18:22:26 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80831&oldid=80830 * Orby * (+118) /* Examples */ Stack reversal
18:23:29 <kritixilithos> maybe you need some extension to the bare-bones definition presented at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_cube ?
18:23:30 <int-e> \B:*.\leaf:(N→B).\node:(B→B→B).node (leaf 1) (leaf 2)
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18:23:59 <int-e> this is just church encoding
18:24:32 <kritixilithos> ah right that makes sense, i forgot about the (N→B) and (B→B→B)
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20:46:42 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80837&oldid=80836 * Orby * (+0) /* Ternary operator */ Fixing opcode typo
20:54:08 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80838&oldid=80837 * Orby * (+131) Reformatting article
21:03:46 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80839&oldid=80838 * Orby * (+81) /* Miscellaneous operators */ Adding NOP
21:04:01 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80840&oldid=80839 * Orby * (+2) /* Miscellaneous operators */ Fixing formatting
21:19:26 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80841&oldid=80840 * Orby * (+5) /* Miscellaneous operators */
21:26:03 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80842&oldid=80841 * Orby * (-82) Changing count, inc, and dec commands to behave the same on logicals and numericals. This shrinks the example code by a few instructions.
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21:26:29 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80843&oldid=80842 * Orby * (+0) /* Count */ Fixing typo
21:30:33 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80844&oldid=80843 * Orby * (-1) /* AND pattern */ Shrinking example
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21:47:24 <esowiki> [[Zahlen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80845&oldid=80844 * Orby * (+423) /* Examples */
22:11:24 <esowiki> [[User:Orby]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80846&oldid=77897 * Orby * (+70) /* Ideas in progress */
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22:29:08 <esowiki> [[User:Orby/Zahlen]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80847 * Orby * (+338) Jotting down some ideas
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23:57:18 <esowiki> [[User:Orby/Zahlen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80848&oldid=80847 * Orby * (+248) /* Classes */
23:59:02 <esowiki> [[User:Orby/Zahlen]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80849&oldid=80848 * Orby * (+8) /* Abstract */