< 1614300704 702800 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-063-063-109.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1614300704 704005 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1614300806 463022 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1614301177 419906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81014&oldid=80964 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-30) 10/* Befunge-93 Self-Interpreter */ < 1614301318 421449 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1614301721 887164 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we have a function (a snail moving strategy for a simulation) F and a function G which takes a seed, a few settings and this F, does simulation and returns an interesting result G(F, args) < 1614301844 345544 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, we want for the author of F to be able to prove they ran a genuine G on it, without us having to run G ourselves < 1614301876 281467 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could we design such G? < 1614302043 812700 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are two subproblems: either we aren't interested which F is, specifically, or we want to check that F is indeed what G was applied to, but the F's author may want to disclose just some hash of F < 1614302186 604160 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this at all tractable? My original goal is just to write snail brains with some friends, write a simulator and test snails' coin-picking prowess. But cryptographic perfectionism < 1614302483 703954 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we'd want to be sure no one tampered with the simulation code, which we'd share between ourselves, run just our Fs and then cheaply check others' results are genuine < 1614302584 757159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds hard, but I will never cease to be amazed about what counterintuitive things turn out to be possible after all. < 1614302927 213955 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-034-224.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1614303036 976767 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume one would need to thread some computations with F's hash through G's simulation steps in a way which is non-detachable from that, somehow, so a genuine G will behave differently from any other fake G' such that even if G(F, args) = G'(F, args) for some args, eventually they'll disagree as many times as we like (presuming args inhabit an infinite type) < 1614303180 787961 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay if someone will know something about this please @tell arseniiv, I'm to sleep at last now. Bye! < 1614303240 307725 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the phone irc app connection is stable with the new router > 1614303507 941345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81015&oldid=81007 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10Undo revision 81007 by [[Special:Contributions/Mario|Mario]] ([[User talk:Mario|talk]]) < 1614303518 803092 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also I'd add cryptography amazes me with some results, like the first time I learned about dividing and recombining the secret. Amazing that often ideas are very simple < 1614303552 545131 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1614306344 355871 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1614306770 73366 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-108-104.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1614307070 519447 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1614307177 704600 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1614307177 878815 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1614311041 761596 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1614311243 484645 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1614314965 211135 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-108-104.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1614316966 593519 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1614317837 317228 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1614319255 381382 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-108-104.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1614320854 386878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Meadow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81016&oldid=81000 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1466) 10Add details < 1614326460 524294 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1614328158 288231 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1614328173 584000 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1614328551 600584 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1614328654 264014 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1614328803 354872 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1614328900 618488 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1614330283 536971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1614330453 156744 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1614330564 352522 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1614330676 2078 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1614330733 595743 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Client Quit < 1614331007 116498 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:34:00 at least the phone irc app connection is stable with the new router < 1614331021 574131 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the app is < 1614331026 928638 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he left < 1614331339 506681 :galactic!~galactic@ip68-8-236-3.sd.sd.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1614331389 233468 :galactic__!~galactic@ip68-8-236-3.sd.sd.cox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1614331730 396887 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1614331763 391958 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1614331902 210771 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1614333576 347238 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: K-Lined < 1614333746 622024 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1614333821 907204 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1614334057 743571 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1614334360 580836 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1614339202 920786 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to make the same thing for pastebins: https://github.com/Nakilon/pcbr-demo/blob/master/imguralternatives.txt < 1614339233 106873 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this table results in https://i.imgur.com/FCtw55w.png < 1614339289 973957 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added few rows and columns today; it's tedious; I tried to make the same about pastebins ~10 years ago but didn't finish < 1614340264 597029 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1614340902 118256 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv some has faked you and said he uses some mobile app for IRC -- what app does he use? < 1614340987 501328 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yep that was me! It was something named AndChat, I downloaded it from google play long ago and now it seems it’s not there anymore. It suits my old phone nicely though < 1614341063 989271 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used jmirc < 1614341098 212759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, is that https://github.com/juhovh/jmirc or something else with a matching name? ;) < 1614341166 603616 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk about this repo but that was on my Sony Ericsson < 1614341198 794596 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've searched for "screenshots" now and felt so nostalgic about these huge pixels < 1614341215 185941 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I used Sony Ericsson, I didn’t know about IRC :′( < 1614341225 501021 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..( < 1614341238 994326 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Jimm though < 1614341251 616899 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, for ICQ < 1614341253 498346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jmirc.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html then? < 1614341267 599000 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes it didn’t want to log in hundred times in a row < 1614341277 815352 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie yeah! < 1614341300 471490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so random, the author of that thing is in my top 3 of people I spent most time with back in university. < 1614341307 461341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still sort of keep in touch with. < 1614341333 172587 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool! < 1614341370 614970 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell people now that I chat sometimes with dude who spent time with jmirc author < 1614341381 699929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used his client, though, because I already had written my own J2ME one for the no-idea-what-phone-it-was, Siemens M50 or something. < 1614341436 423851 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GPRS was expensive, like few dollars per MB, so IRC was an awesome tool to communicate < 1614341585 587626 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make IRC clients but there was some Telnet J2ME client and our ADSL provided external IP (and Dyndns in the router, you know) so I made a little server on my desktop so when I was in town I could quickly check if someone has sent me something in ICQ reading log files from the QIP < 1614341692 47777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operator I had at the time had some roaming pricing quirks which meant <50k (minimum charge) GPRS data was cheaper than 1 SMS (at least in some countries), so for holiday trips I had this J2ME app that sent a message in a single UDP packet (with a hardcoded IP), and a corresponding server that emailed it to family, so we could send some basic unidirectional updates cheaper. < 1614341726 140105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If memory serves, with no proof of delivery (being UDP and all that), but you gotta stay optimistic about these things. < 1614341773 34676 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1614343347 677494 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1614344283 782506 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, after installing this BNC and making its pinned tab in the main Chrome window I used IRC with monospace font < 1614344297 388652 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember exactly what was it, maybe Menlo < 1614344354 88374 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've noticed that I read and comprehend chat worse than I do with forums, articles, so I changed it to Tahoma and it really became easier < 1614344400 741196 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could use some Tahoma for programming too if the computer was smart enough to fix my typos caused by keming < 1614344419 196700 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I would program faster > 1614345918 51193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Mario14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81017&oldid=81002 5* 03Mario 5* (+14) 10 > 1614345980 174175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Mario14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81018&oldid=81017 5* 03Mario 5* (-7) 10 > 1614346006 843719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Mario14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81019&oldid=81018 5* 03Mario 5* (+0) 10 > 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:copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1614370937 741158 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1614371027 450503 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1614371653 911436 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-21-225.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1614372717 658882 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07G*14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81041&oldid=49928 5* 03Expliked 5* (+12) 10updated dead link < 1614374289 76315 :Ria!~Username@193.8.249.237 JOIN :#esoteric > 1614375417 182202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81042&oldid=81040 5* 03Orby 5* (+1599) 10/* Z1 */ < 1614375709 760258 :Ria!~Username@193.8.249.237 PART #esoteric :"Closing Window" < 1614378023 428284 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-inyfhefbxsbgibts JOIN :#esoteric < 1614378998 392398 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1614379121 475375 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