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> 1612139131 673381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Openbyte 5*  10New user account
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> 1612139714 423539 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pancake Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80478&oldid=74928 5* 03Openbyte 5* (+64) 10Added rust implementation link
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< 1612145763 415513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You feeling okay? 
< 1612145763 637227 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, i changed 1 to 2, which is the problem? there we go.
< 1612145814 533311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive, didn't even lose the TCP connection.
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> 1612146094 544656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:FreakCdev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80479 5* 03FreakCdev 5* (+279) 10Created page with "I'm the guy who is obsessed with programming languages, particularly esoteric ones. I have also created many programming languages like FreakC, Jellyscript, VNC and wrote an i..."
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< 1612164740 256098 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot are you binary or ternary?
< 1612164740 446772 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: are you going to shoot me?" and get the primary key depending on that behaviour. in all other eu countries they are.
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< 1612166084 59543 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, @
< 1612166084 202251 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: right, but that's another flamewar!) capture him and get him to understand!
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< 1612169206 267831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If close() is interrupted by a signal that is to be caught, it shall return -1 with errno set to EINTR and the state of fildes is unspecified."
< 1612169209 288550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thosix
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< 1612173375 791047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1612173378 791105 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is eerily topical
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> 1612177514 803011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Graue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80480&oldid=36063 5* 03Graue 5* (+37) 10updates
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> 1612177635 447890 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sortle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80481&oldid=53715 5* 03Graue 5* (+78) 10/* External resources */ add interpreter with debugger
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> 1612182444 383579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mirror-machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80482 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+386) 10Created page with "A Mirror-machine is an extremely simple program type invented by [[User:ReplayShells]] to check decision, addition, subtraction, loops, input and outputs. Rules:  *Input vars..."
> 1612182478 650722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mirror-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80483&oldid=80482 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+0) 10
> 1612182541 210048 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ReplayShells14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80484&oldid=80467 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+57) 10
> 1612182567 881798 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mirror-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80485&oldid=80483 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+2) 10
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< 1612186179 57000 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: You might enjoy this month's Ponder This... it's not just stupid brute force this time.
< 1612186307 509362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the '*' part feels uninspired though
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< 1612187114 160445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan!
< 1612187119 241871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello!
< 1612187134 959109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while
< 1612187153 584972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been taking an internet white year :P
< 1612187188 377677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, my freenode account seems to still be here.
< 1612187216 1980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't notice you were missing, but then I haven't been here much myself
< 1612187249 277176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yo! i just saw your email
< 1612187323 279850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Nicknames and accounts which are expired will not automatically be dropped. Please contact network staff if you would like to take over an expired nickname.'
< 1612187335 976770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, in principle.
< 1612187350 927972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nobody wanted that nick and also knew the policy :)
< 1612187370 374062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1612187408 250354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know... or maybe I did and forgot.
< 1612187587 458131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, the timing was eery, what with covid going around
< 1612187593 57824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you're fine
< 1612187632 975593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is in order again.
< 1612187637 20484 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is in order again.
< 1612187667 697506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think covid was part of it - too much depressing news around.
< 1612187780 785995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg password
< 1612187782 953098 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :12361:2021-02-01 <oerjän> learn The password of the month is in order again. \ 12360:2021-01-08 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is eerily topical \ 12355:2020-12-01 <b_jonäs> learn The password of the month is wake these token brings \ 12348:2020-11-01 <int-̈e> learn The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0 \ 12344:2020-10-01 <wib_jonäs> learn The password of the month is Algol Waterloo Athens aftermath quadrant hydrau
< 1612187808 182829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you've been keeping up.
< 1612187849 967045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no ida how common Ørjan is as a name
< 1612187854 954594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* no idea
< 1612187936 319817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> where's oerjan when you need somebody to discuss the latest TWIST in GG... <-- months away. i may have some catchup to do. and check if the twist i _was_ expecting actually happened.
< 1612187969 99271 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what that was about
< 1612188000 559412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think when i checked it was the 50th most common first name for males in norway
< 1612188012 495746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my surname is 2nd, though.
< 1612188092 394640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but your surname isn't part of your IRC nick
< 1612188100 92042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering about the chances of people trying to steal your nick from you
< 1612188255 13603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first arrived here, it was actually taken (but expiring)
< 1612188272 314067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "oe" probably helps too.
< 1612188292 829949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ø legal in IRC nicks?
< 1612188300 102618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :o!
< 1612188341 101964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the basic version, although the legality of "|" is a legacy from when that _was_ used for ø in some charsets, iirc
< 1612188363 575104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or ö, since irc is originally finnish)
< 1612188378 672525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be the ISO 646-FI character set.
< 1612188383 990929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø and ö are notably different letters, though
< 1612188400 621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh wow, ISO 646
< 1612188408 278532 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famously so, I would say
< 1612188415 373163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thnk ISO 8859 has pretty much entirely replaced that, and both are nowadays obsolete
< 1612188418 501321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm sure there's some Norwegian-specific variant that has ø in there.
< 1612188438 784443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 646 is the reason C has trigraphs, I think
< 1612188457 268061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a | because your charset has a ö instead, you can write it as ??! instead
< 1612188472 597990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, ö for OR isn't that hard to remember
< 1612188483 893636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 646-FI indeed has [\]^ and {|}~ as the uppercase/lowercase variants of äöåü.
< 1612188494 895519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german ö and English "or" have similar (but not identical) pronunciations
< 1612188555 171613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of my failure to learn the pronunciation of de Bruijn...
< 1612188563 661088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly sure why ü is on that list, since it's not really part of the Finnish alphabet. Wouldn't think it's the most common non-native letter or anything.
< 1612188581 554051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...my conclusion was that there's something in it that my ears aren't trained to hear
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< 1612188600 803920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe it's so the same character set can be used for both Finnish and some other language
< 1612188606 753939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (they're not at all similar... to my german ear)
< 1612188608 423596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :German has äöü but also ß
< 1612188627 551006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well ö is closer to "or" than o is
< 1612188656 896494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ö is more like "er" than "or", and still not that close
< 1612188675 325801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah is closer to eh than uh is... I suppose
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< 1612188698 566946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the German variant of ISO 646 omits the å to make room for ß.
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< 1612188791 725090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh I do remember. I wanted someone who knows the ins and outs of the Blitzengard family, at the time.
< 1612188827 633227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember = I looked up the date in the logs and checked which comic I referred to)
< 1612188841 6611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't *that* uncommon to still see Usenet posts and emails and suchlike to get their äs and ös replaced with {s and |s when I was in university. And perhaps even more common to see them get replaced by d and v (which is what you get if you do 8-bit ISO-8859-1 but drop the 8th bit).
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< 1612189357 539062 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thx for suggestion
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> 1612198161 569812 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CopyPasta Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80486&oldid=71469 5* 03Rerednaw 5* (-9) 10
< 1612198189 535276 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody made a copypasta language?
< 1612198192 142362 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
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< 1612205655 137483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: helloerjan
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< 1612206363 931111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ølist
< 1612206366 254113 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ølist? No such file or directory
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< 1612206654 971961 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now, you can add headers into messages to indicate the charater set to use. Glk uses ISO-8859-1, but also supports UTF-32.
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< 1612207679 794738 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan
< 1612207976 103375 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> that said, ö for OR isn't that hard to remember" => sure, it's indexing your arrays like vÄlÅ where it gets ugly. it worked better on BASIC microcomputers because BASIC doesn't use brackets or braces for anything, though those computers sometimes used different character sets than ISO-646.
< 1612208167 244747 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even the different character sets used the obvious idea of replacing the brackets and other characters that are not used in BASIC 
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< 1612208914 399890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("Hello, world!Ön");
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< 1612208994 748206 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb NICK :world
< 1612208996 743829 :world!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1612209008 807145 :world!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb NICK :NotApplicable
< 1612209028 272769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C implementations that use Unicode should support this. They already support digraphs and trigraphs, so why not monographs?
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> 1612212089 383988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Powerlist14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80487&oldid=39461 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Truth machine */ Cat
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< 1612212407 199350 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ASCII characters have their bit pattern dictated by external concerns? there's NUL (usable to reserve space, can be punched to any character), DEL (any character can be punched to it), and SYN (distinct from any bitwise rotation of itself, usable to maintain framing on synchronous links)
< 1612212412 167698 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :any others?
< 1612212596 424954 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; that is just what I have known of, what you mentioned too
< 1612213197 703341 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's certainly convenient to have the digits 0123456789 encoded as consecutive bytes, makes it easier to parse or format numbers. the same is true for ABCDEF .
< 1612213304 960092 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also note that EBCDIC encoding letters in traditional alphabetic order was the one and only chance to get rid of the traditional phoenician-derived order of the letters in the alphabet and invent an entirely new order
< 1612213342 530268 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might have been too late, by that time alphabetized dictionaries compiled by hand may have been too well spread for technology to be able to overthrow that order
< 1612213414 67219 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also hoping we could get rid of the traditional Hungarian alphabetization order that makes everyone's work harder in the uncommon cases
< 1612213596 484040 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody other than the very few people whose name starts with Cu or Cz or Zu would notice if we silently got rid of the rule that the nine special letters (sz, gy, ny, cs, zs, ly, ty, dzs, dz; but never ch or th or cz) and their doubled versions are sorted differently when they're used for the sound they usually denote than when they're accidents. 
< 1612213627 111725 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a rule that very hard to strictly follow by a computer, and it gains you nothing.
< 1612213654 314709 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the sort of nonsense that you teach to kids so they have to suffer just as you suffered in school
< 1612213685 542082 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should teach it only in high school as a curiosity in case they want to look up words in older dictionaries.
< 1612213757 837586 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1612213833 966333 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :those sorts of rules are annoying for sure
< 1612213841 33980 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean treating sz, gy, ny, cs in *Scrabble* kind of make sense, but not for alphabetization
< 1612213863 576226 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Scrabble rules can be decided freely independent of the alphabetization
< 1612213957 375676 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish used to collate "ch" and "ll" separately from "c" and "l" but they got rid of that in 1994, though they were still considered distinct letters until 2010 (per wikipedia)
< 1612214078 428032 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: EBCDIC has the letters in traditional alphabetic order, but not contiguous
< 1612214130 122597 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're hex 81-89, 91-99, A2-A9
< 1612214146 637588 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sure, but the not contiguous doesn't matter for alphabetization
< 1612214148 730893 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot why this is, but it probably relates to its history as an extension of BCD (numerals are F0-F9)
< 1612214206 305506 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it relates to the Hollerith punch card encoding
< 1612214243 915707 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in ASCII they're 30-39
< 1612214273 653463 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that counts as an external concern: the low 4 bits of an ASCII numeral give you its binary/BCD representation
< 1612214293 798603 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas just having them contiguous in an arbitary place wouldn't
< 1612214298 59109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the single bit uppercase/lowercase thing count as well? 
< 1612214329 836933 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any interesting relationships between ASCII and Baudot/ITA2?
< 1612214592 846534 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I learned (although I may have already learned, and forgotten) about the use of ASCII character ENQ
< 1612214595 776092 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enquiry_character
< 1612214637 177814 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :when sent to a Telex machine it would automatically reply with an identification string encoded on a rotating drum
< 1612214666 451350 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful when leaving messages at an unattended machine. you could check that you reached the right recipient, and also check that the connection was not dropped by sending it again at the end
< 1612214710 473569 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a character also exists in ITA2, called WRU for "Who aRe yoU?"
< 1612215044 606121 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"interesting relationships between ASCII and Baudot/ITA2" => I don't think so, apart from stuff that both ASCII and Baudot wants independently, like how space, which is one of the most common characters, has just one hole
< 1612215144 905710 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if WRU is ever used in amateur RTTY
< 1612215254 916909 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do you think there's a better ordering for the latin alphabet than the phoenecian-derived one? what would you prefer?
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> 1612216397 386163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80488&oldid=80399 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+791) 10almost there...
< 1612216409 216346 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1612216427 719879 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1612219305 607066 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not sure. the difficulty is that the latin alphabet is used for a lot of very different languages and they use many letters in very different ways.
< 1612219418 34352 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you might want something with vowels first or last, consonants in two series that are voiced then unvoinced, pairs in the same order, something like AIUOEYBDGVZJMNLRPTKFSCH 
< 1612219548 201104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETAOIN SHRDLU
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< 1612219580 637839 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's sort of a coordination problem, because you'd have to get all languages to use a similar order, just like how now basically all languages that use latin letters use the same order, except maybe for a few letters, and even all languages that use cyrillic scripts (sometimes very differently) use one consistent order, and that's not even considering greek/hebrew/arabic gemmatria
< 1612219698 135931 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and braille latin letters have a mnemonic that only works with the current alphabetic order: ABCDEFGHIJ is represented the same as 1234567890, add a lower dot and it's KLMNOPQRST, add two lower dots and it's UVXYZ
< 1612219792 721923 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the braille alphabet is quite old, it might actually have already been clearly established by the time the Hollerith and EBCDIC encodings were decided on
< 1612219797 161499 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might have been too late because of that
< 1612219806 244833 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the history of Braille, so I can't tell really
< 1612219985 501112 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the keyboard layout used for hot metal typesetting!
< 1612219989 865322 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I was also reading about last night
< 1612220001 541137 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many other things also work with the existing alphabetical order, including ASCII, punch cards, telephone numbers, etc.
< 1612220007 479948 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I went from video terminals -> teletypes -> punched tape -> hot metal typesetting, kind of a backwards in time thing)
< 1612220120 62126 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's evolving, but backwards
< 1612220213 802209 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's how this started. "<b_jonas> I'll also note that EBCDIC encoding letters in traditional alphabetic order was the one and only chance to get rid of the traditional phoenician-derived order of the letters in the alphabet and invent an entirely new order"
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< 1612220606 362262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were alphabetic orders made up by numerology? I know there are many different kinds of alphabets with different orders, and at least some of them are based on numerology.
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< 1612222442 97927 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which ones are those?
< 1612222497 242034 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend whose four year old son is really into different alphabets
< 1612222505 823396 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told her she should try to teach him Hangul
< 1612222533 17640 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best
< 1612222644 767187 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember, but I think I read that somewhere.
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< 1612229647 888636 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tr0mp
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< 1612229940 419838 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye tromp
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< 1612231668 156089 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was reading about formats for representing binary data on 7-bit paper tape, for EPROM programmers and such
< 1612231671 704854 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :> In BNPF encoding, a single byte (8 bits) would be represented by a highly redundant character framing sequence starting with a single ASCII "B", eight ASCII characters where a "0" would be represented by a "N" and a "1" would be represented by a "P", followed by an ending ASCII "F". These ten-character ASCII sequences were separated by one or more whitespace characters, therefore using at least eleven 
< 1612231673 347381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:17: error: <hint>:1:17: error: parse error on input ‘,’
< 1612231677 738488 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII characters for each byte stored (9% efficiency). The ASCII "N" and "P" characters differ in four bit positions, providing excellent protection from single punch errors.
< 1612231680 828977 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of shocking that people put up with such inefficiency
< 1612231721 270063 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess paper is cheap, and the error detection is important (mis-punches being relatively common) and a simple sparse encoding is much simpler to implement than a CRC or whatever
< 1612231732 479359 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, you could just store everything with whatever that 5 bit system used
< 1612231761 452634 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, it would be compatible with Baudot/ITA2 so you could even send ROM images over Telex, although I'm not sure if this was commonly done
< 1612231768 425576 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus such systems eventually moved to ASCII anyway
< 1612231791 119551 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the BNPF encodings were replaced by denser ones like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HEX
< 1612231804 437516 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still commonly encountered today
< 1612231895 672141 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` objcopy -O ihex /bin/ls /dev/stdout
< 1612231927 40775 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:1002A8002F6C696236342F6C642D6C696E75782DED. \ :0C02B8007838362D36342E736F2E32004D. \ :1002C400040000001000000001000000474E55002B. \ :1002D4000000000003000000020000000000000015. \ :1002E400040000001400000003000000474E550005. \ :1002F400A65F86CD6394E8F583C14D786D13B3BCD6. \ :04030400BE051B8790. \ :10030800110000006F00000002000000070000005C. \ :10031800A6A148041201AE3E28DC11132800009063. \ :100328006F00000000000000700000007100000075. \ :10033
< 1612232698 529782 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:7560:f0a0:d50:568d:1ceb QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1612232877 363545 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612233136 358865 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
> 1612233210 633792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10deleted "[[02User:GeorgeEpicGen10]]": Author request: user requesting deletion of their own userpage
> 1612234619 154440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tomhe 5*  10New user account
< 1612235727 168300 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612235735 341030 :MDead!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612235885 442989 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1612235890 515347 :MDead!~MDude@71.50.47.112 NICK :MDude
> 1612235918 354882 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80489&oldid=80477 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+271) 10/* Introductions */  it's me ..tom(ario)
< 1612236003 95623 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1612236525 540697 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
< 1612236538 425009 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
> 1612236574 423266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tomhe14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80490 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+258) 10About me, init
< 1612236785 319310 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1612237876 365372 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1612238416 798750 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1612238516 530717 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612238582 98512 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1612239722 805128 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612239774 292771 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1612239808 359709 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612240145 317649 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
> 1612242986 818356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Naz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80491&oldid=70453 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+292) 10finish FSAness proof
< 1612243002 985887 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l
< 1612243004 303245 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 260 \ drwxr-xr-x  7 1000 1000   4096 Dec 31  2019 asmbf-1.2.7 \ -rw-r--r--  1 1000 1000    103 Nov 12  2019 banana.txt \ -rwxr-xr-x  1 1000 1000  17296 Nov 18  2019 bfi \ -rw-r--r--  1 1000 1000   3315 Aug  9 00:39 compiled_brachylog.pl \ drwxr-xr-x 10 1000 1000   4096 Feb 20  2020 egel-master \ drwxr-xr-x  3 1000 1000   4096 Feb 21  2020 egel-scripts \ -rw-r--r--  1 1000 1000 145944 Feb 20  2020 egel.zip \ -rw-r--r--  1 1000 1000   3399
< 1612243007 576247 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1612243057 460111 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` head banana.txt
< 1612243058 551879 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bananas taste good and have potassium, but they bruise kinda easily. I still like to eat them though :)
> 1612243123 559544 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Naz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80492&oldid=80491 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-292) 10Undo revision 80491 by [[Special:Contributions/Quintopia|Quintopia]] ([[User talk:Quintopia|talk]])
< 1612243215 149741 :allad!68cece6b@104.206.206.107 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612245854 530932 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in
< 1612245960 461421 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612246098 159238 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612246212 366747 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1612246311 593162 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Client Quit
< 1612246652 414010 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612246755 366877 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612246913 141857 :allad!68cece6b@104.206.206.107 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1612246918 576655 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Client Quit
< 1612246958 740803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to properly clean the computer keyboard?
< 1612247034 351317 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1612247061 432553 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612247192 641864 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot tell him how to clean the keyboard
< 1612247192 808547 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: do the gnu servers also lag for regular accounts ( not only sparc)" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord
< 1612247205 141977 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need lisp I guess
< 1612247251 422594 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is that your bot? is it protected from fork bomb and stuff?
< 1612247440 521024 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my bot. I forget who maintains it these days
< 1612247511 858948 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses User Mode Linux for sandboxing
< 1612247552 163865 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what it has in the way of resource limits
< 1612247558 425361 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, the user is 1000 )
< 1612247640 482952 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv banana.txt _banana.txt
< 1612247641 991634 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612247645 201493 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` head banana.txt
< 1612247647 495377 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :head: cannot open 'banana.txt' for reading: No such file or directory
< 1612247657 515155 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it's persistent
< 1612247674 151740 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv _banana.txt banana.txt
< 1612247675 244153 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612247694 161670 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone may steal his banana
< 1612247712 366051 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/GregorR/umlbox
< 1612247748 214865 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 years old stuff
< 1612247831 935991 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lsb_release -a
< 1612247833 220052 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No LSB modules are available. \ Distributor ID:	Debian \ Description:	Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) \ Release:	10 \ Codename:	buster
< 1612247886 178731 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` uname –r
< 1612247888 472916 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :uname: extra operand ‘–r’ \ Try 'uname --help' for more information.
< 1612247897 276339 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1612249106 619730 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in
< 1612249198 114334 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612249412 151357 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Client Quit
< 1612249435 116160 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612250018 47332 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612250311 52451 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1612250394 418320 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612250525 363473 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612250629 342710 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612250654 663404 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1612251787 126435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
> 1612253938 985071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mirror-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80493&oldid=80485 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+0) 10
< 1612254474 147325 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612254580 91450 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158239.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612254684 760059 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158239.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Client Quit
< 1612255381 523823 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612255776 404722 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1612256548 141719 :shinh!~i@b146029.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612257329 201211 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1612258745 109398 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1612259578 457305 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.122.189 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612261540 431467 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612261725 450983 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1612261725 711853 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
> 1612262522 306172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unfair14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80494 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+6323) 10Created page with "Unfair is an esolang, based on a game about counting numbers "unfairly". The esolang is made by [[User:Gilbert189]] (but not the game). ==How to play Unfair== A player has a c..."
< 1612262982 458583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso
< 1612263026 895420 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> HackEso is a reincarnation of a bot called HackEgo.
< 1612263028 587035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:28: error: <hint>:1:28: error: parse error on input ‘of’
< 1612263036 601678 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot shhh
< 1612263075 93278 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to say that with an ability to permanently move files in it it's probably gonna have to be reincarnated again some day )
< 1612263131 102184 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, it says they cared about it
< 1612263137 292883 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1612263164 868827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The persisted files that matter are in a version control system. Since somewhat recently, the current directory's been made the non-VC'd persistent one, though, to reduce noisy commits a little.
< 1612263333 220559 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can this bot install and run gems?
< 1612263373 309121 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ruby -v
< 1612263375 162814 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: ruby: command not found
< 1612263640 530766 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` curl https://api.my-ip.io/ip
< 1612263642 176452 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, HackEgo's sandbox currently has no web access. However, see `? `fetch
< 1612263654 557558 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `fetch
< 1612263656 68735 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`fetch [<output-file>] <URL> downloads files, and is the only web access currently available in HackEso. It is a special builtin that cannot be called from other commands. See also `edit.
< 1612263696 335516 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `edit
< 1612263697 875282 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`edit <file> gives you a url, then in your browser: (1) Press Sync (unless making a new file) (2) Make your changes (3) Press Save (4) Paste the command line at the top into the channel.
> 1612263763 6516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alphamation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80495 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+338) 10Created page with "'''Alphamation''' is joke language.  ==Examples== ===[[Hello, World!]]=== <pre> + </pre> ===[[Cat]]=== <pre> - </pre> ===[[Reverse cat]]=== <pre> @- </pre>  ==Implementations=..."
< 1612263874 328483 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1612263885 284944 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80496&oldid=80470 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+13) 10/* U */
> 1612263922 423051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ReplayShells14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80497&oldid=80484 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+40) 10
< 1612264148 869762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That reminds me that `edit is still broken w.r.t. character encoding, should look into that.)
> 1612265180 351147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Betamation14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80498 5* 03ReplayShells 5* (+248) 10Created page with "'''Betamation''' is joke language. ==Examples== ===Hello,world!=== <pre> SS3 </pre>  ==Implementations== *[https://github.com/ReplayShells/Esolangs/blob/master/TF.cs TF source..."
< 1612267223 528930 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie I don't understand what's the Lonux distro is there
< 1612267357 473980 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to precompile a binary for it
< 1612267667 842478 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see
< 1612267710 389534 :TheLie!~TheLie@24.134.17.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612267719 774085 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's buster
< 1612268923 431809 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612269825 794237 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612272081 365605 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind; the only way to compile RASEL as  understand are either mruby or rubyc: mruby is less documented than how much I need to figure it out, rubyc compiles for half an hour and then says 2gb of ram isn't enough for that
< 1612272138 351788 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612272149 417331 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi arseniiv
< 1612272178 309806 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi?
< 1612272187 793920 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you?
< 1612272236 349359 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158239.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612272249 915435 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1612272306 103090 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s strange when a person you don’t have a clue about asks how are you :)
< 1612272316 114860 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yeah
< 1612272348 918081 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I’m relatively fine
< 1612272377 877374 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to hear that :)
< 1612272387 620860 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im fine too
< 1612272451 217375 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zseri
< 1612272788 129366 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158239.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1612272797 152063 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you
< 1612272879 333046 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv how are you?
< 1612272891 178983 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612272899 861846 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey MDude
< 1612272940 945308 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is Whatareyouday it seems :)
< 1612272967 117542 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1612272972 793673 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howareyouday*
< 1612272986 192705 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot how are you at last
< 1612272986 473477 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: i'll keep that in mind. but the worst part being that it's not very hard
< 1612273011 481029 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid it’d be so
< 1612273059 409052 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sad about not finding the way to execute RASEL in HackEso
< 1612273111 426688 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1612273127 266347 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612273232 96155 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to make a compiled lanuage
< 1612273271 662604 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and youd think the hardest part would be making the translator stuff
< 1612273281 249422 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the optimization stuff
< 1612273284 634903 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no
< 1612273315 171461 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest part for me is making a parser
< 1612273342 631583 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody have any suggestions on making a parser for a c-style language?
< 1612273394 331991 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use a parser framework? It can make things lot easier
< 1612273411 735346 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jean-Michele is jarring
< 1612273424 239078 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent tried that
< 1612273460 842656 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is that i don't know enough of "big-boy" languages to make my own compiled lanuage
< 1612273489 5592 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im writing it in quickbasic, which I dont think has a prebuilt parser framework
< 1612273509 990154 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not "prebuilt" but premade
< 1612273525 534148 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that’s a language :)
< 1612273543 712880 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for such frameworks in other versions of BASIC
< 1612273548 366366 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it would be harder, not easier, with quickbasic
< 1612273560 891653 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is something for Visual Basic
< 1612273570 455428 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im starting to figure that
< 1612273577 262679 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep maybe freebasic has something, it should be more modern IIRC
< 1612273617 431376 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could try migrating it to #qb64, that's modern
< 1612273633 185470 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow tho
< 1612273654 33194 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :migration would be easy
< 1612273672 485124 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you might consider compiling into another language like C, or using stuff like LLVM, so optimization and machine code are done for you by a thing which is proven to work decently
< 1612273695 833523 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it compiles directly to 6502 assembly
< 1612273708 437422 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you’ll be left with sole semantics of your language
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< 1612273790 179747 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have the compiler portion written for the most part
< 1612273830 567340 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will look into that
< 1612273838 764091 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the suggestion :)
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< 1612276611 625126 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tromp
< 1612276614 706509 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi imode
< 1612276622 794160 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mmmattyx
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< 1612277094 64201 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie what's the `fetch size limit?
< 1612277132 206790 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hackeso?
< 1612277169 124289 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1612277177 95762 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1612277228 688230 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC can only handle 510 character messages
< 1612277354 302087 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote insanity
< 1612277355 360152 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :392) <fizzie> There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] <Taneb> You've just gave me a different result [...] <fizzie> It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur.
< 1612277363 882518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: not applicable
< 1612277404 110160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the `fetch command does http(s))
< 1612277525 934507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I suspect it doesn't impose a limit... but probably a timeout
< 1612277536 585540 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya?
< 1612277537 581581 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
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< 1612277632 361160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: I meant no offense.
< 1612277683 278217 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not offended
< 1612277712 762679 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet went bye-bye
< 1612277731 563060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that was untimely
< 1612277734 230527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1612277742 106671 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya lol
< 1612277877 982621 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e can't be, it's 1gbit storage
< 1612277888 374237 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :24MB
< 1612277914 66061 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's the exact limit so I would know if I'm able to shrink the file enough
< 1612278015 961552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm. https://github.com/fis/hackbot/blob/master/multibot_cmds/lib/fetch#L41
< 1612278052 824596 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does hackeso have 7zip installed?
< 1612278055 237514 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`7z
< 1612278056 221464 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ 7-Zip [64] 16.02 : Copyright (c) 1999-2016 Igor Pavlov : 2016-05-21 \ p7zip Version 16.02 (locale=en_NZ.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,64 bits,1 CPU QEMU Virtual CPU version 2.1.3 (623),ASM) \  \ Usage: 7z <command> [<switches>...] <archive_name> [<file_names>...] \        [<@listfiles...>] \  \ <Commands> \   a : Add files to archive \   b : Benchmark \   d : Delete files from archive \   e : Extract files from archive (without using direc
< 1612278059 224237 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1612278089 873666 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my file is already zipped
< 1612278093 777917 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could try putting it in a 7zip file (or .tar.gz if needed) and then `fetch` it
< 1612278101 2068 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can split it in chunks though ..D
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< 1612280356 895128 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<zzo38> Were alphabetic orders made up by numerology?" => I don't really know. I suspect that the order came first and the numeric values got assigned a bit later, which is why rho, sigma, tau have lower numeric values than the corresponding letters have in hebrew and arabic gemmatria. but that's just my guess, I don't know the history. 
< 1612280721 810316 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the greek, hebrew, and arabic alphabets have traditional numeric values assigned to the letters. in addition, Braille only has 64 possible character cells, so the digits 1234567890 are represented by the same as the letters ABCDEFGHIJ, typically with a numeric prefix before an entire number (which may have more than one digit).
< 1612281027 526726 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<zzo38> How to properly clean the computer keyboard?" => depends on whether it's a mechanical keyboard or not. mechanical keyboards have removable keys but the base is sensitive to water. pop off all the keycaps, clean the keycaps wet (eg. with detergent and sponge) and dry them completely before reattaching (this is fiddly, the water likes to stay in their concave parts, so you may need to 
< 1612281033 533801 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :individually remove water droplets with a paper towel from crevices after drying most of it in just air). dust the rest of the keyboard carefully, ideally dry (I guess you could try isopropil-alcohol solution for worse stains, but have it dry for a long enough time before you connect power). 
< 1612281235 569396 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non-mechanical keyboards, the keycaps typically aren't reattachable (though I think there are non-mechanical keyboards where they are), but they tolerate water somewhat more. for these, get some of the crumbs out by holding the keyboard on each side and hitting it on your palm (this is fast but doesn't get everything out); then remove the dust and crumbs by poking between the keys with whatever you 
< 1612281241 578353 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I've used cut parts of plastic sheets, bent paperclips, stick notes, my father uses a brush; clean the keycaps and exposed plastic surfaces with commercial keyboard cleaning foam and paper towels.
< 1612281259 631361 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, cleaning a keyboard can be fiddly and take a lot of time.
< 1612281406 646693 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<NotApplicable> anybody have any suggestions on making a parser for a c-style language?" => if you have freedom to choose the syntax that you parse, then make it simple and unambiguous, without the stupid complications that most languages have, even when this comes at expense of slightly more verbose syntax. you'll thank yourself when you write the parser. but sometimes you want to parse an existing 
< 1612281412 871292 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :language, which can sometimes suck.
< 1612281503 408104 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ya i made everything simple like `if(?condition, { do this; });
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< 1612281518 671197 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<NotApplicable> so im writing it in quickbasic, which I dont think has a prebuilt parser framework" => you can probably port a yacc even to quickbasic. I recommend ais523's ayacc for this. 
< 1612281519 243542 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any whitespace is ignored
< 1612281593 298534 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that there are two unrelated yacc versions called ayacc: I mean ais523's, which you can get from ( darcs pull "http://nethack4.org/projects/ayacc" )
< 1612281659 373643 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also hand-roll a parser if you prefer
< 1612281719 89017 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'll postpone the fetch because seems like jruby wrongly interpretes rasel.rb
< 1612281739 2684 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-49.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I can only help with the parser, I have no idea how to write a usable native code generator for a compiler. I should probably try to write one once, just as a learning experience, but I haven't written one yet. I only wrote interpreters.
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< 1612287539 339588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: int-e: 10MiB.
< 1612287551 528960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Imposed via setrlimit.)
< 1612288233 977499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so the github repo is current enough :)
< 1612288332 800152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like there's any, you know, development, going on.
< 1612288387 702624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. hackeso is perfection :P
< 1612288449 321409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough really-we hardly ever complain about it
< 1612288557 785365 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` uname -a
< 1612288558 874838 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux (none) 4.9.82 #6 Sat Apr 7 13:45:01 BST 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1612288710 147883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a lot of trouble with the UML build at one point when trying to upgrade, I feel like it's a bit of a niche thing.
< 1612288744 164268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it did eventually get better.)
< 1612288898 577719 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think UML is pretty niche these days
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< 1612293543 17374 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1612301429 681093 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When creating an account on the wiki with a lowercase username, I get the message "Your username will be adjusted to "[capitalized username]" due to technical restrictions." Is this a new restriction?
< 1612301537 391823 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a feature of MediaWiki; the first character must be uppercase.
< 1612301595 269275 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, thanks.
< 1612301717 188683 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to see only user messages in the logs (e.g. https://esolangs.org/logs/2021-01.html), i.e. filter out join/quit/esowiki messages?
< 1612301730 471710 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit hard to read with all of those.
< 1612301816 763095 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages matching the regular expression /:HackEgo![^ ]* PRIVMSG #esoteric :\[wiki\]/i are the wiki messages, and JOIN and QUIT messages lack PRIVMSG. If you access the raw logs then you can use grep to filter out the lines that you don't want.
< 1612301891 345515 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, it is what I do; there may be other better ways.)
< 1612301937 320779 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I'll try that. Do you use curl/wget and output to a file on your computer or something like that?
< 1612302098 837412 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there an advantage to processing the raw files rather than the text files?
< 1612302128 624482 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use curl, yes.
> 1612302129 434517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80504&oldid=80501 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+368) 10
< 1612302258 975102 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there is an advantage to processing the raw files rather than the text files, but it is what I have used.
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> 1612303684 251746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C Plus Minus Plus Minus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80505 5* 03SoYouWantMeToDoSomethingButIWont 5* (+1729) 10Created page with "== C ==   An esoteric language created by [[User:SoYouWantMeToDoSomethingButIWont]] that has only 1 operation: NAND  == Syntax == The program is divided into "functions" t..."
> 1612303748 568008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80506&oldid=80496 5* 03SoYouWantMeToDoSomethingButIWont 5* (+30) 10/* C */  C
> 1612303902 48923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80507&oldid=80506 5* 03SoYouWantMeToDoSomethingButIWont 5* (+6) 10/* C */ Change display text of C link
< 1612305229 392551 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test
< 1612305229 897266 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test2
< 1612305241 328768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no customization support in the formatting of the HTML versions, though we *could* easily add a class to the div so that your user stylesheets could more easily tweak the presentation.
< 1612305264 403828 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie That would be nice!
< 1612305281 620759 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would help people follow conversations in the logs more easily.
< 1612305298 322928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine with a sufficiently clever selector, you could already hide all lines that contain a <span class="x"> in them, which is what those -!- lines use.
< 1612305390 257476 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe adding a checkbox for "show server messages" and one for "show esowiki messages", or something like that.
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< 1612305583 225174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd likely just do it as URL parameters to start with. But don't hold your breath, and if you really want to see it happen, consider adding it to https://github.com/fis/esolangs/issues as a feature request so that it's written down somewhere.
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< 1612306773 774111 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie In the meantime, I wrote my own little reader :)
< 1612306776 151605 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pastebin.com/MBJixDmC
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< 1612307051 563328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. Just for the record, all three formats (HTML, plain text, "raw") are actually rendered on the fly from the *real* even-raw-er (or, depending on your point of view, more cooked) files, which I thought about also having an endpoint for, but didn't.
< 1612307235 974919 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. What does the raw-er file look like?
< 1612307364 125529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> oerjan: Oh I do remember. I wanted someone who knows the ins and outs of the Blitzengard family, at the time. <-- i'm binging. was it related to the muse disputing martellus' claim as storm king?
< 1612307391 147556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i remember is tarvek mentioning being heir through his _mother_.
< 1612307445 829882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i sort of presume martellus is related through his _father_, because grandma is referred to once as "sturmvoraus", tarvek's surname.
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> 1612308300 605794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80508&oldid=80476 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+92) 10/* Infinite loop */
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< 1612309347 760396 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generated some fake Russian words (orthography-wise). I was going to experiment with temperature in Markov chains but for now that was just a plain one, using 4-letter and 3-letter contexts. My idea is to make distributions for n-letter contexts AXYZ, BXYZ, CXYZ, … more uniform based on a distribution for a context XYZ
< 1612309486 905859 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it’s not wholly a temperature, it seems like some co-temperature in a way. Real temperature, if I get it right, should just uniformize a distribution independently for every context, making frequencies of the output letters more uniform, not making context-dependence more uniform
< 1612309801 524900 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way, with my idea one should get fractional context length. For example if we re-weight distribution this way:
< 1612309801 585624 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(cXYZ|W) := α P(cXYZ|W) + (1 − α) P(XYZ|W),
< 1612309801 585665 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then instead of 4-letter contexts (AXYZ, …) we get (3 + α)-letter contexts! Or at least for α ∈ {0, 1} that’s genuinely so, and we have a right to think this to behave linearly
< 1612309830 587407 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I wrote all probabilities the wrong way
< 1612309854 364509 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be P(W|cXYZ) := α P(W|cXYZ) + (1 − α) P(W|XYZ)
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< 1612310213 298491 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I shouldn’t be so happy with it: in general, there is an α for each context length but 0, and how all of these α’s should relate to this hypothetical fractional context length isn’t obvious to me
< 1612310274 396423 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for the traditional inquiry — do you like this?
< 1612310286 754346 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this
< 1612310288 472443 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this.
< 1612310343 651767 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I forgot to share those fake words
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< 1612310669 509968 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly I find interesting three words which sound a bit Polish to my ear: желоведейства, дружинскороже and поднаже (I used a list of words in various grammatical forms, as opposed to lexemes, so the letter distribution would be more live)
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< 1612310776 235955 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a curious word is произведь. It alludes to произведение “product, production” and something like исповедь “confession” or медведь “bear” (noun)
< 1612310814 589690 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can’t place my bet what one could use this portmanteau for
< 1612310959 756087 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it might also allude to произвол “arbitrariness, arbitrary decisions (with your disapproval of them)”)
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< 1612311359 138894 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :preved medved
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< 1612311684 637627 :uignrsglks!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv You might want to look into context tree weighting.
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< 1612312330 673702 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell uignrsglks thanks, interesting!
< 1612312330 673764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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> 1612312643 88680 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C Plus Minus Plus Minus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80509&oldid=80505 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10/* Implementations */ Cats
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> 1612335652 136158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80510&oldid=80461 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+2) 10/* Factorial */ forgot to about the latest conditional trampoline change
> 1612335673 557716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80511&oldid=80510 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+0) 10/* Nth Fibonacci number */ forgot to about the latest conditional trampoline change
< 1612336037 459612 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I copypasted a typo between two edit messages
< 1612336053 763578 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to about *facepalm*
< 1612336503 659613 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cmon
< 1612336506 598305 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:14:44 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: 53 File size limit exceededcat xaa xab xac > rasel.jar
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> 1612338487 319196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80512&oldid=80511 5* 03TaterTomorrow 5* (+0) 10Minor spelling and grammar fixes.
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< 1612343268 312515 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has started learning Morse code
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< 1612345845 869030 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sadly looks at his 14819846 bytes large file
> 1612346491 727655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Firstreplace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80513&oldid=79325 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (-219) 10
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< 1612351443 248072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that limit's a little draconian. But you've got to draw a line somewhere, and the bot's really not that convenient for "big things".
< 1612351564 440076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "normal software", I can always install things with apt into the host container, where it gets its userland from. Not sure about Ruby gems; since there's no Internet access from the UML sandbox, you'd at least have to install them in an offline fashion. And $HOME is a non-persistent directory.
< 1612351718 300058 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I could not easily find anything about providing ruby as a stand-alone folder so that's why I'm wrapping it in .jar and deleted files from it one by one to reduce size from 25.8 to 14.0 MB
< 1612351762 191453 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does not look like it's possible to achieve 10, so I'm now googling how to split jar into two jars but no success yet
< 1612351830 660503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should really just be a matter of splitting the files in any arbitrary way. As long as they're all in the classpath, I don't think it should much matter which file they're from. But who knows.
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< 1612351857 475986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can install plain Ruby on it though, if that helps.)
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< 1612351904 708844 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Java and these things make no sense to me
< 1612351918 145069 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine how one jar would know it should go look into another one
< 1612351944 473189 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> install plain Ruby
< 1612351944 604270 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome ..D
< 1612351946 222162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error:
< 1612351946 267507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Variable not in scope: install :: t0 -> t1 -> terror: Variable not in sc...
< 1612351955 279952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jar doesn't have to, it's the JVM that does the class-loading, and I think it just iterates over the classpath.
< 1612351985 340033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby 2.5 seems to be the Debian (10) default. Is that fine? 
< 1612352008 167742 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1612352167 471417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby -v
< 1612352169 67337 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby 2.5.5p157 (2019-03-15 revision 67260) [x86_64-linux-gnu]
< 1612352184 852420 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! thank you! I'll make something around that
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< 1612352960 428863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realized if I used the "upper half" / "lower half" block-drawing characters in a terminal for bitmapped graphics, I'd get pretty close to a VGA mode 13h screen. That's just bizarre.
< 1612352964 434120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A full-sized terminal window with my settings is 319 columns and 94 lines.)
< 1612352994 886140 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "116/7//.@" | ./rasel
< 1612352996 419300 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :42
< 1612353106 972724 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj' | ./rasel
< 1612353108 245226 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1612353123 82631 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the best interface though ..D
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< 1612355299 373088 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '"?yadot tuoba sthguoht ruoy era tahw tognuf">:?@,08-j' | ./rasel
< 1612355300 583830 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot what are your thoughts about today?
< 1612355329 203860 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, he does not respond to other bots
< 1612355553 43740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've had bot loops... they're never fun if the corresponding bot ops aren't around to stop them
< 1612355589 6353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many bots here ignore the other ones
< 1612355657 346196 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fungot
< 1612355657 535997 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: part of my problem like that, and you can't inspect the dynamic context any more, though
< 1612355659 409825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: Variable not in scope: fungot
< 1612355663 607965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some subset of the bots add a non-breaking space if the output starts with a non-alphabetic character, to avoid trigger characters. (Of course that's not applicable to triggering fungot by name.)
< 1612355663 769369 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: from what i understand, r5rs is. srfi is " scheme in 5 minutes.
< 1612355844 811166 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv since you are back, those words are cool
< 1612355863 388310 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha :)
< 1612355905 21708 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you use to teach it? a dictionary or a book?
< 1612356018 991586 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you all know the thispersondoesnotexist.com
< 1612356035 432632 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently I randomly entered the url thiscatdoesnotexist.com and it appeared to be a thing
< 1612356059 925505 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to make a thisnewswebsitedoesnotexist.com
< 1612356093 736960 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just fakenews.com
< 1612356124 957751 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait this domain is already taken
< 1612356241 922161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's both thiscatdoesnotexist.com and thesecatsdonotexist.com.
< 1612356247 974618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is, the latter has more cats (at a time).
< 1612356311 269837 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resist so much to download them all
< 1612356333 319478 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can use it to generate fake karma for reddit spambots though
< 1612356830 857609 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1612357930 856725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Not applicable 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Gradient to black transparent.png10]]": Transparent to black linear gradient
< 1612358408 473603 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv https://nlpub.ru/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0
< 1612358474 159216 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmi
> 1612358503 578639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unfair14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80516&oldid=80494 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Number cat */ cat
< 1612358658 372999 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a big list of the best libraries for NLP in different languages, might be helpful
< 1612358856 425700 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll forward it to my NLP friends though, thanks! For myself I’m not much into real NLP (yet?..)
> 1612359067 629577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80517&oldid=80504 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+151) 10
< 1612359076 660168 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: ah one of them already said thanks :)
< 1612359099 177522 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool ..)
< 1612359127 574955 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might already know this resource though
< 1612359133 233790 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( there's nothing natural about NLP )
< 1612359181 776954 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it illegal to do this on Esolangs for a user page
< 1612359199 440216 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Not_applicable
< 1612359267 429934 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: possible! That was the case several times when I stumbled on something related and showed them
< 1612359303 351375 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should i change it then?
< 1612359360 633572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: user pages get a lot of freedom, nobody really cares, I think... as long as no actual laws are violated and it's not spam
< 1612359378 198390 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks
< 1612359387 716877 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1612359397 68149 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e friends are natual
< 1612359402 181314 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are language processing
< 1612359468 208133 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ai Dungeon is probably the best natural language processing for a computer
< 1612359470 473075 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1612359505 106212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612359531 770129 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it is doing any language analysis
< 1612359558 289139 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it *is* AI
< 1612359562 738529 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just memorizing tons of text
< 1612359581 990992 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And generating an output based on that text
< 1612359592 811070 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, look at this
< 1612359598 738901 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1612359599 394968 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on
< 1612359635 971282 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://play.aidungeon.io/main/scenarioView?publicId=af4a05f0-cc52-11ea-a06c-f134f3d35cd1
< 1612359646 209418 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hype and marketing
< 1612360403 309328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: What I think might be more of a problem are the icons. There's an overall CC0 license for all "content" in the wiki, it gets put on the bottom of every page, including user pages. And the GitHub Octocat logo definitely isn't CC0.
< 1612360423 619275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not to mention that file uploads are "global", not specific to the page they're used in.)
< 1612360457 227128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Copyrights and so on.
< 1612360540 602613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm did I miss icons?
< 1612360554 272530 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll go change that
< 1612360574 38427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there
< 1612360590 921929 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe only problem is that I don't think you can delete images
< 1612360607 625842 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612360641 392170 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1612360705 885873 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1612360736 453426 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80518&oldid=80517 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-102) 10Removed icons due to copyright stuff
< 1612360767 38944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: fizzie is an esowiki admin, there are ways
< 1612360780 348212 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612360817 897957 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... this is hard to unsee: the github cat has a tentacle arm
< 1612360834 163534 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a cat-octupus
< 1612360841 1575 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'd you expect
< 1612360856 752355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was a tail
< 1612360892 780691 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what they were going for lol
< 1612361016 495268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm why is it an octopus... does it deal with octopus merges?
< 1612361047 765196 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah i think i remember hearing somewhere that the founder just though it looked cool
< 1612361069 615575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also forgot about this version which is unambiguous. https://github.githubassets.com/images/modules/logos_page/Octocat.png
< 1612361118 386474 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub's mascot is an anthropomorphized "octocat" with five octopus-like arms.[54][55] The character was created by graphic designer Simon Oxley as clip art to sell on iStock,[56] a website that enables designers to market royalty-free digital images. GitHub became interested in Oxley's work after Twitter selected a bird that he designed for their
< 1612361118 885573 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :own logo.[57] The illustration GitHub chose was a character that Oxley had named Octopuss.[56] Since GitHub wanted Octopuss for their logo (a use that the iStock license disallows), they negotiated with Oxley to buy exclusive rights to the image.[56]
< 1612361119 394580 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub renamed Octopuss to Octocat,[56] and trademarked the character along with the new name.[54] Later, GitHub hired illustrator Cameron McEfee to adapt Octocat for different purposes on the website and promotional materials; McEfee and various GitHub users have since created hundreds of variations of the character, which are available on The
< 1612361119 885871 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octodex.[58][59]
< 1612361126 727663 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wikipedia
< 1612361146 130004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name needs more Lovecraft... oc'thoc'aht
< 1612361154 779601 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1612361180 68423 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it wasnt octopuss
< 1612361185 66655 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just sounds wrong
< 1612361212 847812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh if it started out as Octopuss... things are beginning to make more sense.
< 1612361277 159123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I do see why they would change it... but it's the kind of adolescent humor I've come to expect from budding tech companies.
< 1612361428 164331 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the githubassets domain?
< 1612361434 384488 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to the root
< 1612361443 948152 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it says is "welcome" and that's it
< 1612361450 672966 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.githubassets.com/
< 1612361506 483614 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even HTML
< 1612362139 496187 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1612362882 181892 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works!
< 1612363047 831325 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody know what the home dir for HackEso is
< 1612363091 521920 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd
< 1612363092 531819 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/tmp
< 1612363112 606140 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? That didnt work before
< 1612363116 55141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` env | grep hackenv
< 1612363117 160206 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :PWD=/hackenv/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ IRC_MESSAGE=`` env | grep hackenv
< 1612363600 140365 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)
< 1612363653 846043 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1612364323 475688 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80519&oldid=80129 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-54) 10
< 1612365736 353159 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612366394 519692 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $HOME
< 1612366395 607773 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp
< 1612366693 763144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought the OctoCat had something do with merges too.
< 1612366742 196948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, it's maybe a little confusing that the current working directory of each command != the home directory.
< 1612366861 741992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rationale is something like, we want the cwd to be persistent but not version-controlled (to make it more convenient to do multi-step operations, but to not default to making a permanent commit), and we want the home directory to be definitely non-version-controlled because of all the programs that like sticking stuff into $HOME. I guess you could argue for making $HOME /hackenv/tmp, or 
< 1612366867 744834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/tmp/home, or something. But setting it to /tmp predates the existence of /hackenv/tmp, which was a later innovation.
< 1612366940 947116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll take a look at deleting the images at some point, I did do it for some other upload in the past.)
< 1612368180 435818 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612369226 821673 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1612369564 343121 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612369979 845528 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never thought that $HOME and $pwd have to be the same
< 1612370943 3485 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? recursion
< 1612370944 508608 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW
< 1612371298 711140 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ?
< 1612371300 148541 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom
< 1612371310 895425 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1612371312 549267 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°_o)/¯ `? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1612371321 6394 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1612371322 375976 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
< 1612371374 699704 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612371376 164238 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1612371395 337734 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :``? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ | hd
< 1612371396 307204 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`?? No such file or directory
< 1612371413 709029 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ | hd
< 1612371414 791774 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `)' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: `? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ | hd'
< 1612371421 242558 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent an hour right now to come up with own way to mark up sentences and have marked up 100 news articles
< 1612371470 583162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which hd
< 1612371471 781995 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/hd
< 1612371472 592324 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 6% of them are grammatically correct and funny but unfortunately you won't understand the language, lol
< 1612371525 624838 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \? '¯\(°​_o)/¯' | hd
< 1612371527 308452 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000 c2 af 5c 28 c2 b0 e2 80 8b 5f 6f 29 2f c2 af 20  >..\(....._o)/.. < \ 000010 69 73 20 61 20 6d 69 73 73 70 65 6c 6c 69 6e 67  >is a misspelling< \ 000020 20 6f 66 20 c2 af 5c 28 c2 b0 5f 6f 29 2f c2 af  > of ..\(.._o)/..< \ 000030 0a                                               >.< \ 000031
< 1612371551 352030 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually marking up English titles would be much easier
< 1612371565 441408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode °°
< 1612371566 515588 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN]
< 1612371573 471360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1612371588 805648 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try some /r/programming feed I guess
< 1612371823 730712 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the former has an extra zero-width space... no idea why
< 1612371890 674452 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because it says it is the misspelling
< 1612371896 289902 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they look the same
< 1612372301 733763 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was another utility that actually
< 1612372305 711234 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxsomething
< 1612372320 729114 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxd
< 1612372321 382062 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find xx*
< 1612372324 72449 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: ‘xx*’: No such file or directory
< 1612372335 396390 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I use hexdump for some reason on my machine
< 1612372339 447332 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexdump -C
< 1612372341 620507 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /hackenv/bin/xx*
< 1612372342 916458 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/xx*': No such file or directory
< 1612372344 951948 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /hackenv/bin/x*
< 1612372346 243780 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/xkcdwhatiflist
< 1612372357 379593 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which xxd
< 1612372358 390032 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612372367 337246 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which vim
< 1612372368 495381 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612372376 947156 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which ?
< 1612372378 24165 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/?
< 1612372378 527260 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it installs with vim
< 1612372386 600740 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` vim
< 1612372387 811294 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: vim: command not found
< 1612372389 627496 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` vi
< 1612372390 720519 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex/vi: Error: /var/tmp/vi.recover: No such file or directory \ ex/vi: Modifications not recoverable if the session fails \ ex/vi: Error: /var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.6b4N9d: No such file or directory \ Error: stderr: Inappropriate ioctl for device
< 1612372396 797525 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1612372402 338953 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which vim'
< 1612372403 345315 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1612372405 264513 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which vim
< 1612372406 356809 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612372411 820931 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which vi
< 1612372412 961350 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/vi
< 1612372443 181640 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls / -R | grep "xx"
< 1612372452 676814 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/fd': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/map_files': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/ns': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permission 
< 1612372511 710410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which xxd
< 1612372512 788209 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612372520 195948 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xxd
< 1612372521 238414 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: xxd: command not found
< 1612372523 759359 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xxd
< 1612372524 752883 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxd? No such file or directory
< 1612372573 801413 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls / -R 2>/dev/null | grep "xx"
< 1612372609 808604 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612372622 418946 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.122.189 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612372785 20979 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls / -R 2>/dev/null | grep xx
< 1612372821 171398 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1612373408 388563 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612374723 586962 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)
> 1612374737 777518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07V14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80520&oldid=80375 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (+84) 10Interpreter :)
< 1612374737 859155 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1612374873 223094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07V14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80521&oldid=80520 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (+0) 10too many edits
> 1612375423 470126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07V14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80522&oldid=80521 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (-25) 10
< 1612375479 94042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612375994 82370 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1612377071 479588 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1612380932 678999 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Connection closed
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< 1612387465 930254 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.122.189 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1612388922 220391 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow World Land {-} Snow World Land ;; All objects are snow. ;; {T}: Add {C}. ;; When ~ dies, add one mana of any color into your mana pool or return a non-snow world card or non-world snow card from your graveyard into your hand.
< 1612389715 547625 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1612390897 753019 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
> 1612392572 497063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Erinius/Ideas14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80523 5* 03Erinius 5* (+79) 10created
> 1612392615 514279 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Erinius14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80524&oldid=78118 5* 03Erinius 5* (+34) 10
> 1612393642 688634 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Erinius/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80525&oldid=80523 5* 03Erinius 5* (+139) 10
> 1612394217 534147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80526&oldid=80508 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-1) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ huh, one of my bounds was off!  Verified using a still-unsure-if-it's-really-working interpreter
< 1612394637 447865 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612394680 611285 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1612394772 854234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80527&oldid=80526 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Reverse cat */ substrings are weird.  I'm probably gonna need to fix a bunch of programs just for this problem.  I can't quite wrap my head around it.
< 1612394934 189852 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1612394969 900482 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80528&oldid=80293 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+92) 10/* Parse this sic */ Really really sorry.  This has been tested with a semi-working interpreter so if it's actually still broken then I'll give up for sure.
< 1612395044 958441 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1612395240 364471 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric
> 1612395280 327566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80529&oldid=80527 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-27) 10/* Info to come */
< 1612395294 16995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wonder if this "postmarketOS" thing is any good. It seems to be pretty much the only potentially still maintained Linux thing I can find for a 2012 Nexus 7 tablet.
< 1612395396 384188 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1612396407 431562 :Bowserinator_!~Bowserina@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612396427 670955 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1612396530 538568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1612396530 781102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 032350Z 13008KT CAVOK M18/M20 Q1022 RMK WIND 670FT 12008KT
< 1612396534 756945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrr
< 1612396563 853820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1612396564 30292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 032350Z AUTO 21005KT 9999 NCD 05/03 Q1006 NOSIG
< 1612396576 813325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was all spring-y here the other day.
< 1612396578 842327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hierjan
< 1612396589 465919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf, hizzie
< 1612396595 994368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak
< 1612396596 156696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 032353Z 25011KT 10SM FEW042 FEW095 14/07 A3021 RMK AO2 SLP229 T01440072 10156 20122 55013
< 1612396612 289317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me, I was supposed to look at deleting those file uploads.
> 1612396788 595200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10deleted "[[02File:Reddit logo onwhite.png10]]": Copyright violation: Accidental upload of a likely non-CC0 file
> 1612396811 216575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10deleted "[[02File:All-other-usernames-were-taken.favicon.png10]]": Copyright violation: Accidental upload of a likely non-CC0 file
> 1612396817 939185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10deleted "[[02File:Scratch cat head.png10]]": Copyright violation: Accidental upload of a likely non-CC0 file
> 1612396826 439198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5*  10deleted "[[02File:GitHub-Mark-120px-plus.png10]]": Copyright violation: Accidental upload of a likely non-CC0 file
< 1612396845 827700 :Bowserinator_!~Bowserina@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1612396852 375355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the second one might've been okay, but it wasn't used anyway, so.
< 1612396893 906785 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki all CC0
< 1612396939 324034 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612396994 293838 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1612396999 583042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be. Although now that we're talking icons, I wonder about our hosting sponsor badge, for example. The declaration says "all content" and doesn't elaborate.
< 1612397023 133351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Esolang:Copyrights page also uses the word "everything".
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< 1612398242 577848 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1612399196 795135 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Bye!
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< 1612399710 305514 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
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< 1612422757 262704 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
> 1612423378 252168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Picofuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80530&oldid=72548 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+649) 10/* PF attempt, using a hypothetical RBF self-interpreter */ did this ages ago, neglected to link it from anywhere. Happy 2021!
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< 1612424943 386127 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1612425232 96904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1612425956 356125 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-070-039-190.088.070.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1612431125 421970 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1612431267 307367 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1612431769 582522 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? metar
< 1612431772 117966 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar is a service Taneb invented that allows nerds to talk about the weather.
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< 1612444310 226325 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :marking up the /r/programming titles is much harder and less effective than titles of the news website that has editors
< 1612444340 21479 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no weird character, question marks, caps lock, multiple sentences within a single title, etc.
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> 1612448833 992734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07V14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80531&oldid=80522 5* 03Bo Tie 5* (+0) 10
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> 1612455189 440780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80532&oldid=80114 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+23) 10
> 1612455289 688984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80533&oldid=80532 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+14) 10
> 1612455725 527647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80534&oldid=80529 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1) 10/* Fibonacci numbers */
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< 1612456522 521953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: played a bit of AME, found 3 new friends... still skeptical about ever completing it
> 1612457550 639607 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Smasheded 5*  10New user account
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> 1612457872 164219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80535&oldid=80489 5* 03Smasheded 5* (+213) 10
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> 1612462413 628186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cav14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80536 5* 03Smasheded 5* (+1892) 10initial commit
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> 1612486096 831617 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cav14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80548&oldid=80546 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10Cat languages
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< 1612488808 798744 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e what is AME?
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< 1612489207 47449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me everything, obviously. the more strenuous version of AMA.
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< 1612489558 248031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Monster's Expedition
< 1612489568 146778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But oerjan's answer is better. You should ask oerjan everything.)
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< 1612490366 661665 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so spending an hour I've marked up 65 post titles -- made own markup system that fits my "fake titles" algorithm
< 1612490438 431331 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how I think that if I take some existing library I can ask it to mark up both the 65 titles and any number of others
< 1612490479 714708 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it marks up some word in the other title it can find the similar word from those that I've marked up and copy my marking
< 1612490509 711797 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be almost correct
< 1612490524 142060 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now I think that
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> 1612501281 138382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Or14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80550&oldid=79878 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+0) 10/* Description */ Spelling
> 1612501345 892138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Or14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80551&oldid=80550 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+1) 10More Spelling
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> 1612516207 738463 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80552 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+46) 10Created page with "== 0 == === Instructions ===  0 - calculates 0"
> 1612516228 343479 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80553&oldid=80552 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (-8) 10/* 0 */
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< 1612524158 161151 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does "stalker mode" mean here? https://esolangs.org/logs/
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< 1612524287 1089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live updates.
< 1612524308 512889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for people who'd otherwise keep reloading the current log to see what's going on on the channel, without logging into IRC
< 1612524312 239547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breakage is what it means.
< 1612524314 819111 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612524324 397594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What shachaf and int-e describe is what it *should* be.
< 1612524352 572557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... stalkers, who observe without being seen
< 1612524371 780594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it uses a websocket-based fancy thing to get a real-time feed, and there's something odd wrong with the websocket support of the embedded HTTP server it's using, so it occasionally breaks the rest of the logs web frontend.
< 1612524385 188847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know exactly what the circumstances are.)
< 1612524386 11229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1612524415 718291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to update to the latest version of that code, maybe they've accidentally fixed it by now.
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< 1612524755 455937 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thx
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< 1612524838 161636 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my russian news website proxy RSS was limited to 100 entries, the /r/programming top-month (and currently any other Reddit posts feeds for some reason) are limited to 64 entries
< 1612524866 462950 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to test my idea I need some bigger source of quotes and I'm gonna use this channel logs then ..D
< 1612524885 29094 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1612524916 427829 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1612524918 986942 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, these logs are awesome if you filter all service messages like who joins and leaves
< 1612524935 782757 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, gotta filter out usernames as well
< 1612524957 145803 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv, are you russian-speaking?
< 1612524963 393980 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1612525027 202803 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out these fake news (learned on 100 recent lentaru entries): "Ученые захотели картофель цивилизации Навального", "В США в центре Москвы заподозрили мир"
< 1612525131 492433 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D :D
< 1612525387 702911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's your position on the fake news media? 
< 1612525387 832923 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so sarahbot is broken."
< 1612525396 452820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1612525396 520711 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1612525403 148721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Please elucidate.
< 1612525403 723836 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i very much welcome the response and their three key recommendations to improve the awareness and training of seafarers, access to information, access to the network and equal and fair operating and profit rules, since its accession to the eu' s priority is to be expected that the commission should look at the plants and on our television screens and the cultural identity of each country to have a group, t
< 1612525441 393243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, the commission "looking at -- our television screens" sounds like they're just goofing off.
< 1612525446 463010 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread “elucidate” as “euclidiate”
< 1612525451 876087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please keep it witin the 30 seconds time frame
< 1612525452 283549 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, the commission fnord. on the other hand, a highly security-conscious, repressive and utilitarian vision geared to their own independent, sovereign state. i approached an elderly man there as well. there is no repetition of such unscrupulous behaviour by cowboy operators.
< 1612525475 988493 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: that's uncanny because I also did that
< 1612525499 30130 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1612525503 302889 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the fnording per style or global
< 1612525526 183403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The amount of fnording depends on the style, but the word itself is global.
< 1612525538 270806 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what gets mapped to "fnord"
< 1612525545 971108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb
< 1612525550 392753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you rescue any kittens?
< 1612525555 314688 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few but not many
< 1612525559 508510 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't got the hang of it yet
< 1612525566 549407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's how fungot pronounces the special token `UNK`, which is used at least in some styles to replace words that are very infrequent.
< 1612525567 117418 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, over the last three years, and its secretariat. as you well know, of course, saying that it is simply a copy of the letter to me from indonesia offers a ray of hope. despite these reservations concerning the molitor report and the other is urban policy. when the white paper on food safety, are, firstly, i should like to start by expressing my hope and my expectation that the parliament itself calls into qu
< 1612525574 538413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it part of the model generation or baked into fungot?
< 1612525575 234747 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, again it is also important in the context of council discussions. on the issue, at all times, the commissioner, in relation to what are known as the ' prodi amendment' and the thinking included in your files, should replace nothing, but was planned by mr milosevic nearly eight years ago and is now defined in the santer package, since objective 5a and 5b of the structural funds, as we hope it will we can sti
< 1612525582 429722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is it part of the model generation or baked into fungot?
< 1612525582 725760 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i wish to mention two issues which have been working behind the scenes, but to combating such an important question, and, in general, and to try to make democracy work for ordinary people. there is no question about that.
< 1612525598 543664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh stfu
< 1612525598 973312 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i wish to thank the commission for remaining relatively modest and not having claimed, like some of the palestinian territories. it is an issue of such importance! do not take a stand in the way that we want and have just decided not to include them as beneficiaries of social policy. i think it would be wrong for us to be able to reach a universally satisfactory solution.
< 1612525641 880041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word itself is baked into. Replacing infrequent words is part of the training. It's in fact a pretty standard practice of ngram language models, except that when you're using them to just give likelihood scores to sentences, it's a lot less "visible" than when you're using them generatively.
< 1612525709 911424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual fnording happens in https://github.com/fis/fun%67ot/blob/master/fun%67ot.b98#L157
< 1612525751 616880 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwait so fungot is spelled with an IPA ɡ?
< 1612525751 917874 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: mr president, we are moving forward significantly, but i would prefer a different wording which will render the constitutionally protected rights acquired by the anti-globalisation movement by appearing to be sensitive in its dealings with us the united states
< 1612525766 876692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: No, %67 is just the standard ASCII g.
< 1612525774 114831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just escaped it to avoid the spam.
< 1612525792 660645 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofoldl
< 1612525828 677030 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: rofoldl has bad strictness properties, you should generally use either rofoldr to rofoldl'
< 1612525952 99743 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know, that’s why I… oops where did all the memory go
< 1612525965 337388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: somehow, github doesn't like that trick at all
< 1612526103 412813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/notfound.png )
< 1612526160 857335 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(made more irritating because Firefox pretty-prints the %67 as 'g')
< 1612526178 246110 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what trick? https://i.imgur.com/b29FeOn.png
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< 1612526513 264132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeird. Worked for me.
< 1612526550 761008 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I click the link, it says "Not found", I press enter in the address bar, it resolves as expected
< 1612526562 803728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers: they're hard. :/
< 1612526591 359068 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am using Firefox, if it helps)
< 1612526613 129175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e's link says notfound for me.
< 1612526617 431387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't clicked it.
< 1612526754 16512 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh, so pressing return is not the same as marking the URL and pasting it again...
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< 1612528458 912698 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking how to remove nicknames from messages if someone has used the common English word as a nickname
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< 1612528898 756893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once drew a just-for-fun chart of "relationships" between people on a forum I was archiving, based on who mentioned whose name most frequently. A handful of people who were pretty much never posting ended up being the most popular ones around, because they had common (Finnish) words as their user names.
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< 1612530224 606769 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like there is a channel ##nlp
< 1612530253 312053 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might visit it some day to share my shame
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< 1612531627 549878 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.5.225.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :then
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< 1612532082 236345 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just whitelist those words when I find them
< 1612532285 641458 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:49:56 <world> Hi
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> 1612535042 590263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cav14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80554&oldid=80548 5* 03Smasheded 5* (+164) 10
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> 1612545402 653381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Cirrubec 5*  10New user account
< 1612545431 229259 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"made more irritating because Firefox pretty-prints the %67 as 'g'" => yes, but it gives the real URL when you copy-paste the whole thing, not the pretty-printed version
< 1612545537 953996 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<fizzie> A handful of people who were pretty much never posting ended up being the most popular ones around, because they had common (Finnish) words as their user names." => that happens here on #esoteric too
> 1612545590 968231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80556&oldid=80535 5* 03Cirrubec 5* (+143) 10
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< 1612551453 807721 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft. 'Buy Baba's Sausage Expedition - Puzzle Game Masterpieces BUNDLE'
< 1612551514 966945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(currently on Steam, contains Baba is You, Stephen's Sausage Roll and A Monster's Expedition))
< 1612551542 917237 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh-
< 1612552154 90928 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Baba is You" reminds me XOR
< 1612552182 531992 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mobygames.com/game/xor/screenshots
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> 1612552371 584668 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80560&oldid=80553 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+70) 10
> 1612552423 21347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80561&oldid=80560 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+57) 10/* Instructions */
> 1612552470 930450 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80562&oldid=80561 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+2) 10/* Instructions */
> 1612552571 376938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80563&oldid=80562 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+83) 10/* Instructions */
> 1612552625 135002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80564&oldid=80563 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+79) 10/* Implementations */
> 1612552761 519866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80565&oldid=80564 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+35) 10/* Implementations */
> 1612553056 631120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80566&oldid=80565 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+42) 10/* Haskell */
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> 1612560298 687770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Qwote14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80567&oldid=59000 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10/* Implementation(s) */ Mention existing implementations; cats
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> 1612561363 365631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Not applicable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80568&oldid=80518 5* 03Not applicable 5* (+127) 10added window manager to stuff
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< 1612565977 553960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A query on a continuous aggregate will, by default, use real-time aggregation (first introduced in TimescaleDB 1.7) to combine materialized aggregates with recent data from the source hypertable." So shiny.
< 1612566014 814010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Been looking for a reasonable time-series database, after having given up on Graphite and InfluxDB in the past.)
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< 1612567484 467995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you give up on them?
< 1612567513 776858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I've been thinking a bunch about a query language for relational data that would be nicer than SQL.
< 1612567521 398619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably think about time series data too.
< 1612567622 405178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I remember all the details, and the reasons might not have been particularly reasonable.
< 1612567624 165422 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One alternative to SQL might be Tutorial D, although I have not worked with it.
< 1612567650 484408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I think I gave up on InfluxDB because it was constantly using 2-3% of CPU time of the machine it was running on even when not doing anything.
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< 1612567725 255065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Graphite, I think I just found it annoyingly inflexible w.r.t. labels and such, and also complicated to configure. If memory serves, you had to put everything in a slash-separated metric name. 
< 1612567773 301066 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don’t worry about cardinality."
< 1612567820 245036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I found out about perf top recently. Did you know about it?
< 1612567838 270122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TimescaleDB, as far as I've understood so far, is a PostgreSQL extension, and I used to kind of understand PostgreSQL. Also, the idea of being able to write SQL kind of sounds like it'd be like using [REDACTED] and [REDACTED].
< 1612567883 645012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess Dremel isn't redacted.
< 1612567904 403608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And F1 isn't redacted either, so never mind those redactions.
< 1612568097 534372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like "from the release of the 1.1.x series", Graphite's learned about tags, so that criticism is probably no longer valid. (Also, the metric path was '.'-delimited rather than '/'-delimited.)
< 1612568101 669255 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know to work SQLite, but I don't know how the time scale queries will be needing.
< 1612568268 8907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, using Dremel was part of what got me in the anti-SQL mood.
< 1612568338 739534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how it could. But it hasn't for me.
< 1612568436 147476 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :perf is a really useful tool, as long as your stuff is supported... which is only really the case for major architectures
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< 1612568574 988197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you see that musical? 
< 1612568610 489426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean, so probably not?
< 1612568615 59647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpASkz0JU0
< 1612568668 713191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit long. And maybe in questionable taste for some parts. But I did find it amusing too.
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< 1612571482 98937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A bit surprising that it was published.
< 1612571586 481346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that a bit surprising too. But it's there in the public YouTube. And I've not heard of any sort of crackdown, and it's been a week.
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< 1612571676 965150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whenn are they going to make the 5TB video public?
< 1612571800 585607 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you woik at google?
< 1612571888 500120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Do you?
< 1612571899 85896 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
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> 1612583374 507866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80569&oldid=70776 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+758) 10Some thoughts on Encoding vs. Computation
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< 1612586632 365799 :jr!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have a proof that this is Turing-complete? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ultimate_bf_instruction_minimalization!
< 1612586660 13081 :jr!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I'm interested in the instruction set <>+? where ? denotes skipping the next instruction.
< 1612586702 447541 :jr!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't care about I/O for now.
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< 1612588265 249155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Closures are self-contained blocks of functionality that can be passed around and used in your code. Closures in Swift are similar to blocks in C and Objective-C and to lambdas in other programming languages."
< 1612588284 380541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to look up C blocks... it's a Apple specific extension to C.
< 1612588338 36662 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add those to my C parser
< 1612588357 392285 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because stdio.h has them on mac
< 1612589078 545495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Ada have blocks?
< 1612589081 508576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeolang
< 1612589084 220129 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeolang used to change frequently, but eventually it rusted in place.
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< 1612589564 960232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!?!?!?!?
< 1612589565 20910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1612589569 664559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/celtic-religion-overview
< 1612589576 872761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" For example, several of the feinnidi were born of mothers in animal form, and the Fian's great hounds, Bran and Sgeolang, had a human mother."
< 1612589639 251980 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think it's usually supposed to be Sceolang?
< 1612589675 303839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BRAN (2) One of the sons of Tuireann also bore this name, born to her when she had been turned into a wolfhound by her husband's envious mistress. Both Bran and his brother Sgeolang/Sceolang were born in this form and became the faithful hounds of Fionn mac Cumhaill (cf)"
< 1612589679 214457 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hubpages.com/education/LIFE-ON-THE-FRINGE-11-Boann-two-Brans-Brigid-and-Supporting-Cast
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< 1612590919 346984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel weird about Swift documentation being on apple.com
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> 1612594703 680101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GrapeApple 5*  10New user account
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> 1612595947 846681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:GrapeApple14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80571 5* 03GrapeApple 5* (+12) 10Created page with "Hello World!"
> 1612595956 471313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SansTheComic 5*  10New user account
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> 1612596514 35795 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cabra14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80574&oldid=14157 5* 03AviFS 5* (+29825) 10Copy/pasted documentation from author's reference implementation: https://github.com/catseye/Cabra/blob/master/doc/cabra.html
> 1612597717 867719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cabra14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80575&oldid=80574 5* 03AviFS 5* (-27) 10Fixed link
> 1612598304 404785 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IDK14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80576 5* 03GrapeApple 5* (+25) 10Created page with "<h1>work in progress</h1>"
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> 1612602525 151889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:HTPL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80577 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+105) 10Created page with "This is the talk page for [[HTPL]]. Feel free to add your comments, feedback or whatever you think of it."
> 1612602909 156561 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80578&oldid=79454 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+78) 10/* Syntax */ clarified switch
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> 1612620157 995572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cabra14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80585&oldid=80575 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4182) 10Use wikitext (hope I didn't break anything)
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> 1612621668 852208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80586&oldid=80534 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-3) 10/* Fibonacci numbers */ Silly bug!
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< 1612623918 947955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, this system has states "INVALID" and "NONINVALID".
< 1612624308 618373 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which system?
< 1612624335 674408 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that DB?
< 1612624567 796027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just a random local government website.
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< 1612626160 91290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think I just found a gcc bug
< 1612626201 652370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc compiles "a - (b * b)" (where a and b are doubles) to a fused multiply-add instruction with -O3 -fno-fast-math -ffloat-store -mavx -mfma
< 1612626279 43002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which produces a result that's more accurate than the C standard and compiler settings allow (it's supposed to round after the multiplication)
< 1612626295 51342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I should be using -fexcess-precision=standard, not -ffloat-store, but it comes to the same thing either way
< 1612626342 495946 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the c standard doesn't define shit about mostly anything but it has an upper bound on how precise computational results have to be?
< 1612626371 613004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 was aimed at scientific computing so it has a lot of information about floating-point rounding
< 1612626399 159587 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: ^
< 1612626428 179032 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺
< 1612626444 644817 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1612626464 577658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing happens with #pragma STDC FP_CONTRACT 0 specified explicitly
< 1612626492 999999 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaking compilers being zealously precise
< 1612626535 507901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem happens because excess precision is something that compiler-writers don't think about much because their internal representations don't distinguish between excess-precision and standard-precision floats
< 1612626542 703985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let me try this on clang
< 1612626587 598422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, clang seems to respect the pragma, at least
< 1612626609 316784 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine if your friend runs an errand for you and you have to pay them back and they say it's 46.56 euros and they insist you pay them back precisely
< 1612626634 120324 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just taking your 50 euro note, they insist on manipulating copper pieces
< 1612626636 868767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, if I #pragma STDC FP_CONTRACT OFF or #pragma STDC FP_CONTRACT ON it changes clang's output appropriately
< 1612626646 847386 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang is pretty good at the warning game
< 1612626659 377055 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it could warn you if it accidentally was too precise
< 1612626664 947121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gcc doesn't respond to the pragma
< 1612626681 604235 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being afraid of too much precision doesn't sound very pragmatic
< 1612626684 663640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really the problem is that C doesn't have any way to say "excess precision is OK in this small subset of an expression"
< 1612626701 169847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you can do is say that it's OK everywhere, or nowhere, within a given statement
< 1612626824 8426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point math would be so much easier to do sensibly if your language explicitly marked must-round and may-round locations within an expression
< 1612626864 291721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this all came out of an investigation I'm doing into how languages and compilers handle expressions that have obvious meanings but have issues with the range of the data type you're using
< 1612626883 812355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, how do you take the average of two size_t values in C (rounding towards 0)?
< 1612627109 543952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best I can do is (x >> 1) + (y >> 1) + (x & y & 1), which a) is really unintuitive, b) isn't optimised correctly by the compilers I tested
< 1612627134 115709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'd want it to optimise into mov, add, rcr, ret, but compilers can't figure that out)
< 1612627184 798870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty sure the reason that the compilers get this wrong is that a) C doesn't give any way to specify that you want a 65-bit intermediate value in an expression), b) the compilers' intermediate representation doesn't allow for 65-bit arithmetic either
< 1612627214 69944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though c) almost every processor I've seen has some convenient way to handle the extra bit when you need it
< 1612628029 636499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could express that in terms of GCC's __builtin_uaddll_overflow or whatnot to get a more reasonable assembly output. Maybe not.
< 1612628056 652143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It'd give you a name for the outgoing carry bit, at least.)
< 1612628130 343118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try it
< 1612628141 883966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can definitely express it but I'm not sure whether the compiler finds the optimization
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< 1612628442 480638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that, gcc reads the carry flag, but doesn't manage to optimize out the if statement
< 1612628469 997199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, it produces different asm when I OR with 0x8000000000000000, and when I add 0x8000000000000000
< 1612628550 147679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang, meanwhile, produces the same code in both cases, but it's kind-of horrible
< 1612628586 587201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it manages to avoid the jump, but it does so using a cmov, and it does the addition twice (once to calculate the bottom 64 bits using lea, and a separate time to calculate the carry using add)
< 1612628715 107805 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1612628835 611512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc's code with | looks like it would be pretty efficient if branch-predicted correctly (but not as good as an rcr)
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< 1612629564 175036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote some code for a TI DSP (coursework back in university), it was natively 16-bit but it had two accumulator registers both 40 bits wide. TI had a C compiler for it, but I don't remember at all how it could cope with that. Maybe there was a special custom 40-bit type; the standard types were all normal (16-bit char, short and int; 32-bit long).
< 1612629599 543444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the idea was just that you'd use their handwritten assembly building blocks, and C just for wiring things up.
< 1612629633 908166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once used a "C" compiler that targeted microcontrollers, which had very weird string behaviour
< 1612629665 692555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if you called a function with a string literal as argument, it replaced that with a number of repeated calls to the function, giving it one new character each time
< 1612629703 223680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the licensing was somewhat muddled, it attempted to be software-enforced shareware, but was gcc-derived
< 1612629758 206239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just look at the source to see where the license check was, then (legally) patch it out
< 1612629877 114778 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPL Violations suck
< 1612629913 466351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a GPL violation, just an attempt to trick people who didn't know better into paying for GPL executables
< 1612629940 272186 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
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< 1612660628 345416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> I... think it's usually supposed to be Sceolang? <-- argh.
< 1612660652 534517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to include something suitably celtic in the entry
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< 1612660759 173363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My knowledge of Celtic anything is limited to the existence of a dog named Sceolang and that Enya has music related to Celtic culture.
< 1612660849 544794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know about the dog but i've been aware of a dog of dogs
< 1612660901 405977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1612660907 259067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused
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< 1612662967 840193 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:00:38 <nakilon> how I think that if I take some existing library ...
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< 1612663023 788438 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I've found is https://www.cis.uni-muenchen.de/~schmid/tools/TreeTagger/
< 1612663075 57684 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compared to mystem (that is Russian only) it gives to little information that my plan didn't work well
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< 1612663147 480420 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the automated tagging appeared to be only 45% accurate
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> 1612672585 605281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IDK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80596&oldid=80595 5* 03GrapeApple 5* (-15) 10/* Language */
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< 1612672883 952062 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it's C11 mode then try #pragma STDC FP_CONTRACT OFF
< 1612673283 830896 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> really the problem is that C doesn't have any way to say "excess precision is OK in this small subset of an expression" => it does: enable -fexcess-precision=standard or -std=c11 for standard behavior, then use an assignment or cast to force a value without excess precision. that's documented. 
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< 1612673442 314376 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for example, how do you take the average of two size_t values in C (rounding towards 0)?" => Hacker's Delight suggests (x & y) + ((x ^ y) >> 1)
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< 1612673706 811057 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're probably right that the hand-written assembly might work better here
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> 1612691662 134113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck code generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80599&oldid=80598 5* 03Maxi 5* (-586) 10/* Languages that compile to brainfuck */
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< 1612693981 429524 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1612694961 483423 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with this p-o-s tagger results are even worse: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ark/TweetNLP/
< 1612695009 285215 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because they use only one char long tags
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> 1612701743 677974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flame14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80601 5* 03CatLooks 5* (+76) 10Created page with "'''Flame''' is a programming language created by [[User:CatLooks|CatLooks]]."
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< 1612703739 43196 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :results of these one https://code.google.com/archive/p/hunpos/ are close to tree-tagger; this one https://textblob.readthedocs.io/en/dev/index.html worked for me as bad as ARK
> 1612704722 180345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Horribly Translated BASIC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80602 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+4679) 10Created page with ":''Note that I have horribly translated this page just for the heck of it. The original text should be available.'' :''Remember, this is just an example. Dictionary, syntax, e..."
> 1612704843 381869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Horribly Translated BASIC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80603 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+4830) 10Created page with "==Original text== :''Note that this is only an example. The keywords, syntax, and any other should not be exactly like this.''  Horribly Translated BASIC is BASIC but horribly..."
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> 1612705343 605233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SQ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80607&oldid=80276 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+74) 10/* Opcodes */ Categories
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< 1612719023 862605 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I can't type "quest". my fingers finish it as "question". 
< 1612719306 141353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing of questionable quality
< 1612719332 386911 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1612720430 331850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quest for an ion.
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< 1612721642 191625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are some interesting Las Vegas algorithms that aren't SAT or that kind of search problem?
< 1612721669 50808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of randomized algorithms, like randomized quicksort or something, but those finish quickly with such high probability that they barely count.
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< 1612723391 470842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "hammersmith" the kind of smith that makes hammers, or the kind of smith that uses hammers to make other things (possibly also including hammers)? 
< 1612723409 888382 :NotApplicable!6344f5ae@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1612723449 535106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a maker of hammers, if wiktionary is to be believed.
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< 1612723773 51168 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two more islands, one more friend...
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< 1612728098 48765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> ais523: if it's C11 mode then try #pragma STDC FP_CONTRACT OFF ← I did, it didn't help
< 1612728098 729435 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hammersmith sounds like WW2 time German aircraft
< 1612728127 716463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think I forgot to use -std=c99 / -std=c11 in addition to the pragma, although that's unlikely to matter
< 1612728142 316015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried -fexcess-precision=standard as well, that didn't help either
< 1612728235 997561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your (x & y) + ((x ^ y) >> 1) suggestion is clever, slightly fewer operations than (x / 2) + (y / 2) + (x & y & 1), although neither is obviously equivalent to ((int65_t)x + (int65_t)y) / 2
< 1612728250 3183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least to me, it's a lot less obvious what it's doing
< 1612728278 444183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it works by doing the two half-additions that make up a full-addition separately)
< 1612728473 510289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks clearly better than clang -O3's compilation of the __builtin_uaddll_overflow version
> 1612728499 308509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NyaScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80613&oldid=80459 5* 03ThatCookie 5* (+938) 10Added NyaScript++
< 1612728505 242378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clear on whether it's better than gcc's branchy version, it probably depends on how predictable the branch is
> 1612728539 787648 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NyaScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80614&oldid=80613 5* 03ThatCookie 5* (+1) 10
< 1612728560 917514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I think in terms of compiler branch hints, a hint that a branch is predictable/unpredictable would be more useful than a hint that a branch is likely/unlikely…
< 1612728737 362732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictable branches are very cheap, but unpredictable branches are very costly
< 1612728767 798017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that all the code being run is in L1 cache already, which it normally will be for anything performance-sensitive)
< 1612728878 772166 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would the CPU do with such a hint?
< 1612728917 212342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the CPU, the compiler
< 1612728932 958468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's often a complex way to avoid generating a branch instruction, by computing all possible branches in parallel
< 1612728945 832703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is normally slower if the branch instruction would be fast, but faster if the branch instruction would be slo
< 1612728947 670686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* slow
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< 1612729243 857732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. modern compilers targeting x86-64 will compile (x >= 0 ? x : -x) (with x an int) to the equivalent of ({long _Temp = (long)x >> 32; (x ^ _Temp) - _Temp})
< 1612729348 394719 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there an abs asm command?
< 1612729362 979220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know
< 1612729370 541276 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1612729386 917086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't even a floating-point negate, most compilers use an xor to flip the sign bit
< 1612729454 985770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a suspicion that subtraction from zero may be more efficient, though, although the answer isn't quite the same due how floating point works)
< 1612729465 611263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fabs`, on the other hand, was a thing back when floats were done by x87.
< 1612729467 446384 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fabs`,? No such file or directory
< 1612729481 131108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: I wasn't talking to you.
< 1612729481 437610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, I'm only checking the sse/avx FPU
< 1612729498 475137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x87 has its own set of commands that are different
< 1612729606 370718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like x87 negate was the rather unexpectedly named "FCHS", for "change sign".
> 1612729660 545260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07English14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80615&oldid=77788 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+16) 10added link (awesome lang btw)
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< 1612729777 458786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the treatement of negative zero seems to be consistent across languages, so maybe subtraction from 0 isn't a *valid* way to negate a floating point number
< 1612729799 721397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, 0-0 is positive zero
< 1612729812 296649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0-0 is negative zero, and -0+0 is positive zero
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< 1612730010 122788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't try 0+-0, that's also positive zero
< 1612730211 115016 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ruby it depends on if the zero is integer or float
< 1612730241 827001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twos-complement integers don't have a separate +0 and -0 so you will always just get (the only available) zero
< 1612730268 562829 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dpaste.org/P1w4/slim
< 1612730276 990368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but floats are represented as sign-magnitude on almost all commonly used processors, so +0 and -0 have separate representations
< 1612730417 722120 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like in RASEL they are always positive
< 1612730497 33476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been keeping track of the C23 process every now and then, and the current draft drops support for non-two's-complement integers. And no longer allows a trap representation for two's-complement either, unless there's padding bits. So a signed char will finally have exactly as many unique values as unsigned char.
< 1612730635 398018 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, didn't they both had 256? _OO
< 1612730645 28891 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have
< 1612730841 586009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up until now, unsigned char has had two to the power of CHAR_BIT unique values (where CHAR_BIT is 8 or greater), but signed char may have had one less. For ones' complement and sign-and-magnitude, because of the redundant "negative" zero. And for all three allowed representations, even without padding bits, there's one special bit pattern that's allowed to be a trap representation. (Come to think of it, 
< 1612730847 596987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that was ruled out for character types, though.)
< 1612731149 428630 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1612731597 166730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 with sign bit flipped" makes for a decent trap representation in practice, but most systems don't want one
< 1612731727 697785 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612731732 569046 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry I still don't get it, unsigned were 0..255, signed were -128..+127 -- isn't it the same number 256 of uniq values?
< 1612731794 987198 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612731802 406866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would if those were the guaranteed ranges, but signed is allowed to be just -127 .. 127.
< 1612731816 713591 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah
< 1612732121 318691 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (I just joined so I don't have much context) From my experience its -128 ... +127. Perhaps there's a +0 and a -0?
< 1612732208 162630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more or less what we were talking about, yes.
< 1612732226 223572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 6.2.6.2p2: "If the sign bit is one, the value shall be modified in one of the following ways: [explains sign and magnitude, two's complement, ones' complemet]. Which of these applies is implementation-defined, as is whether the value with sign bit 1 and all value bits zero (for the first two), or with sign bit and all value bits 1 (for ones' complement), is a trap representation or a normal value. In 
< 1612732232 190993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :the case of sign and magnitude and ones' complement, if this representation is a normal value it is called a /negative zero/."
< 1612732263 973523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the larger context being that current C23 draft no longer allows that.
< 1612732283 389240 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thanks
< 1612732418 210296 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I was taught in uni back in 2004 wasn't really implemented until C23? lol
< 1612732505 61554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1612732536 142563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there were necessarily too many more people using non-two's-complement integers back in 2004 either, but the standard doesn't follow practice that fast.
< 1612732627 441236 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1612732880 154861 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bless hipster languages and bignums
< 1612733009 332153 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I knew this before I would not be able to sleep
< 1612733425 846713 :ubq323!~ubq323@host86-154-198-83.range86-154.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612733993 453394 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612734057 597010 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: every time I see this I wonder whether there really are architectures like this anymore
< 1612734127 777048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you implement signed ints as floats
< 1612734190 667493 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure whether that's really allowed... are int and unsigned int required to have the same size?
< 1612734220 856808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1612734244 663265 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awkward then
< 1612734268 1950 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this particular (bad) idea
< 1612734282 47173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're even required to have the value bits of the signed type be exactly the same bits of the object representation as the matching value bits of the corresponding unsigned type.
< 1612734323 587065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, you could have the sign bit of the signed type not be the same bit as the last remaining value bit of the unsigned type, though.
< 1612734332 848852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'll need at least one padding bit for that.)
< 1612734335 500887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the all-ones representation doesn't make for a good trap representation in one's complement
< 1612734350 317037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most calculations will naturally produce it when producing a result of zero
< 1612734362 635644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes more sense for all-zeros to be the trap representation, and all-ones the representation of 0
< 1612734405 661810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one's-complement is almost as easy to implement in hardware as two's-complement, incidentally (the only difference is what you do with the carry from the top element)
< 1612734406 265172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but it also makes sense (and is required) for all-zeros be a valid representation of 0 for the purposes of zeroed memory and such.
< 1612734420 662008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think two's-complement is preferred because it chains better to numbers that are more than one word wide
< 1612734433 929248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, maybe if all your integer types were ones' complement, you'd 1-fill your memory instead, who knows.)
< 1612734436 623547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: C doesn't require zero-initialised structures to have zeroed memory, does it?
< 1612734446 89907 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, using 0x80...00 as a trap value in 2s complement would make sense
< 1612734478 69791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, but it does require zeroed memory to be a valid representation of 0 for integer types.
< 1612734490 501133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one advantage of 0x80…00 as a trap value is that you can't get an integer overflow on division any more
< 1612734515 743454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite easy to forget that INT_MIN/-1 will overflow the integer range
< 1612734516 655141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> abs (minBound :: Int)
< 1612734518 496592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes `-x` defined for all valid values of x.
< 1612734518 606712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -9223372036854775808
< 1612734529 473928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also this (related)
< 1612734543 141265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aww (wrt zeroed memory)
< 1612734561 858067 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> abs (minBound :: Int8) -- human readable
< 1612734563 872085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : -128
< 1612734580 142279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've grown to really hate C, because it attempts to give generic access to a range of processor features, yet it isn't generic enough and is holding back processors from doing things that C can't express or disallows
< 1612734600 837697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION somehow doesn't know 2^63 or 2^64 by heart :)
< 1612734613 866322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 4294967296 off by heart (2**32)
< 1612734620 310134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not 2**31 or 2**63 or 2**64
< 1612734634 338490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 6.2.6.2p4: "For any integer type, the object representation where all the bits are zero shall be a representation of the value zero in that type." It doesn't have to be the "canonical" representation of zero -- that could have some set padding bits, or maybe be the negative one -- but it has to be a non-trap zero.)
< 1612734634 797029 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int, Int8... -- there was probably the reason to introduce such type as "byte"
< 1612734639 855714 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2147...something
< 1612734650 105540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^31
< 1612734652 158007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2147483648
< 1612734663 780247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that hard to divide 2**32 by 2 in your head
< 1612734672 733958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I knew it all at some point :)
< 1612734685 61214 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't required to remember the 10-base number
< 1612734688 809390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know 2**63 or 2**64 by heart, but I immediately assume anything that starts with 9 or 18 and is about the right length is going to be exactly that.
< 1612734705 913089 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 1**32
< 1612734713 913917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: of course not... but it wouldn't hurt
< 1612734719 143556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1**32 is just 1, isn't it?
< 1612734723 332096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean 1<<32?
< 1612734725 382344 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tshhhhh
< 1612734742 205 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to add /s to the end
< 1612734757 398117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I don't remember any of the ones past 16777216, and even that probably just because of the 777.
< 1612734783 841652 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :216 is 6^3
< 1612734794 161386 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me now I'll remember this number too
< 1612734823 362108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :59049 is 3**10
< 1612734832 100597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one comes up in Malbolge and TriINTERCAL
< 1612734842 294502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :86400 seconds in a day, 1440 minutes
< 1612734844 467046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of the 65536 equivalent
< 1612734867 838447 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :45054 = 0xAFFE, no reason ;)
< 1612734873 103105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think esolangers have collectively decided that a word on a trinary virtual machine is a multiple of 10 trits long)
< 1612734891 861113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1114111 == 0x10ffff, the maximum codepoint in Unicode
< 1612734919 260319 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 86400 is in my "one post in a day"-filtered RSS feed URL
< 1612734935 915341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: well you probably know a lot of random and mostly useless numbers like these
< 1612734936 389395 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is unrelated, but does anybody know why sometimes `(float 1) = (float 1) - (float 2)` results in the actual answer plus/minus 0.00000001 or 0.11111111 or something along those lines, regardless of the value in either of the variables beforehand?
> 1612734957 919346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Photon (Quintopia)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80616&oldid=80588 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+592) 10/* Computational Class */
< 1612734969 157211 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :86400 though is useful, and a lot of people don't know it...
< 1612734969 301175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was a reserve for the UK olympic maths team, I asked my co-competitors what the largest prime was that they could spell out as digits from memory
< 1612734973 538636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most common answer was 65537
< 1612734975 317157 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e my brother was learning Pi
< 1612734983 300997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think I have a higher prime memorised either
< 1612734988 386821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.141592...enough :)
< 1612734989 861332 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he has learned 100 digits
< 1612735004 293615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them could get very deep into pi, though
< 1612735020 761853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I didn't even memorize the full calculator value... 10 digits)
< 1612735031 33523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NotApplicable: I've been looking into floating-point maths a lot, recently
< 1612735050 897814 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1612735058 225335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way to think about it is that a floating-point number is stored internally as an integer times 2 to the power of an integer (either of the integers can be negative)
< 1612735073 154837 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:56:28 <int-e> 3.141592...enough :)
< 1612735086 961935 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you floored it though instead of rounding
< 1612735087 637811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example, 2.25 would be stored as 9*(2**-2)
< 1612735096 556535 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next digit is 6
< 1612735098 886266 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2^2^5 + 1) `mod` 641
< 1612735101 37244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1612735126 331293 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I somehow remember that 641)
< 1612735134 659380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, both these integers have a limited range (the range on the exponent rarely ends up mattering, but the range on the multiplier is very often relevant)
< 1612735138 604228 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612735140 663523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.141592654 (rounded) is I think what my calculator used to have, so I learned that, and 3.141592653589... (floored) as an extension to that.
< 1612735142 743407 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there can be a computer based not on binary, not on ternary but on prime numbers
< 1612735162 542101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you end up with an integer overflow on the multiplier, the processor compensates by halving, quartering, etc. the multiplier and adjusting the exponent to match
< 1612735175 898568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yes it's floored and that's still good enough :P
< 1612735185 159884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: Is this leading to some sort of a pun about the word "primary"? 
< 1612735209 87276 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OH
< 1612735220 485124 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my Pi estimation was floored too? (
< 1612735233 939152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you're adding or subtracting floats, the processor basically has to scale the multipliers to make the exponents the same, and when the exponents are very different, normally one of the multipliers ends up overflowing as a consequence and lots of bits get thrown away
< 1612735245 346174 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I make the numbers smaller, it wouldn't overflow
< 1612735262 546126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller, ignoring multiples of 2
< 1612735281 369389 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1612735288 306793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 3072 is a very "small" number as a floating point, because it's 3*(2**10) and 3 and 10 are small
< 1612735316 983285 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is glad RASEL does not have float precision errors
< 1612735341 336245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at least I can reasonably estimate the number of islands now... I'll say 590 +/- 3.
< 1612735346 693815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The base-2 representation is also why numbers like 0.1 can't be exactly represented as floats.
< 1612735364 500891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, 0.1 isn't an exact integer multiplier of *any* power of 2
< 1612735365 195106 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sad because QB64 apparently does
< 1612735379 181358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will get rounded to a float that can actually be represented
< 1612735390 711176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("%.80f", 0.1);
< 1612735391 570424 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie it was probably an old human mistake to adopt 10 base
< 1612735392 543474 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.10000000000000000555111512312578270211815834045410156250000000000000000000000000
< 1612735409 15061 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mistake"
< 1612735433 309371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now I'm curious what the exponent on that one is
< 1612735466 371742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary would've been a mistake
< 1612735478 792610 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally really like working in hexadecimal
> 1612735513 47194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80617&oldid=80586 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-9) 10
< 1612735568 57043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal really works well enough, except for computers if one isn't careful
< 1612735573 79858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1000000000000000055511151231257827021181583404541015625, on the other hand, is exactly 3602879701896397*2^-55.
< 1612735586 606430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for working it out for me
< 1612735591 789463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to but wasn't sure of a good approach to use
< 1612735637 250737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational (10^54 * 0.1)
< 1612735638 967550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100000000000000020589742799994816764107083808679919616 % 1
< 1612735678 361079 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612735700 826908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational (2^54 * 0.1) * 5^54
< 1612735703 85099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 200000000000000011102230246251565404236316680908203125 % 2
< 1612735715 317819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used bc + scale=100 + tested multiplying that number by some reasonable powers of two, starting from 2^50, until I got an integer result (at 2^55).
< 1612735722 681504 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ruby -e 'p 10r**100'
< 1612735722 857162 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/1)
< 1612735744 203009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational 0.1 * 10^55 -- err, that was stupid
< 1612735745 431263 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ruby -e 'p (10r**100).to_i'
< 1612735745 592310 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
< 1612735746 570878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000000000000000055511151231257827021181583404541015625 % 1
< 1612735768 466007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toRational 0.1
< 1612735770 643232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3602879701896397 % 36028797018963968
< 1612735792 343533 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ruby -e 'p 0.1r'
< 1612735792 539056 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/10)
< 1612735812 526948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`toRational` is a really terrible function
< 1612735815 656076 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :toRational`? No such file or directory
< 1612735817 273360 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sorry this is correct:
< 1612735818 819117 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ruby -e 'p 0.1.to_r'
< 1612735818 916801 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3602879701896397/36028797018963968)
< 1612735827 259392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: sorry
< 1612735832 65807 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*correct analogy
< 1612735891 824816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, this just made me realise a parser ambiguity in Rust (0.1 could either be a single number, or field 1 of the integer 0)
< 1612735903 628871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one of the meanings is never going to be useful, so you can resolve it as the other
< 1612735919 742322 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1612735924 780711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't come up in most languages, because "1" is not a valid identifier
< 1612735934 101996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't use it as a method/property name
< 1612735944 438898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Rust uses numeric identifiers for anonymous fields of structures
< 1612735966 187145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [False..]
< 1612735968 585712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:9: error: <hint>:1:9: error: parse error on input ‘]’
< 1612735971 446442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [False ..]
< 1612735973 555493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [False,True]
< 1612735982 888886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda similar
< 1612736012 901315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually shocks me how many ambiguities there are in programming language syntax in general, especially if you don't have a separate lexing stage
< 1612736037 159448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of languages have constructs that could plausibly mean something else
< 1612736105 943798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/*/ comment /*/
< 1612736130 250129 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nuts
< 1612736134 382359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, /*/, the "toggle comment" construct, beloved of polyglots
< 1612736139 699762 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is basically defined by implementation
< 1612736149 471538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go has this thing where, because they dropped the ()s around the controlling expressions of if and friends, expressions that'd want to involve a composite literal, like `if x == T{a,b,c} { ... }`, need to be instead written either `if x == (T{a,b,c}) { ... }` or `if (x == T{a,b,c}) { ... }` to disambiguate the composite literal from the statement's block.
< 1612736163 172159 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1612736174 429172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a = 4; int *b = &a; printf("%d", 8/*b);
< 1612736181 305509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int a = 4; int *b = &a; printf("%d", 8/*b);
< 1612736183 339453 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile.
< 1612736189 81359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int a = 4; int *b = &a; printf("%d", 8/ *b);
< 1612736191 359275 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1612736200 346129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is why we teach people to put spaces in their expressions :-)
< 1612736203 168570 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:b481:1307:3246:1aa5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QB64 has ALOT of ambiguatitiesicantspell
< 1612736213 74355 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in undefined in the first place ..D
< 1612736222 584215 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in JS
< 1612736263 146578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Rust gets away with that by not using {} as a subscripting operator
< 1612736280 740788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is very precisely defined, just the definitions are usually not what you are expecting
< 1612736334 902766 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it clearly says everything is undefined
< 1612736335 765891 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/JYeLWqr.png
< 1612736357 792666 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not defined", whatever
< 1612736392 791137 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the browser side (DOM, events) used to be terrible
< 1612736426 15264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still is terrible, just more standardised than it used to be
< 1612736427 258748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JS language itself is mostly okay
< 1612736444 294444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'long long long i;' | gcc -x c -  # I keep waiting for the day when someone with no sense of humour gets rid of this specific error message
< 1612736445 491278 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<stdin>:1:11: error: ‘long long long’ is too long for GCC
< 1612736451 102489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah good point
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< 1612736463 70193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: JS was created by someone who clearly knew what they were doing, but in a timescale too short to do a proper job of it
< 1612736485 580728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has all sorts of shortcuts-to-get-the-implementation-done-faster, like function scope rather than lexical scope
< 1612736508 997732 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees "jshell" command available in his bash and wonder if it's J SHELL or JS HELL
< 1612736509 861347 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern js is pretty nice if you compare it with pre-ES6
< 1612736602 510338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me, a while ago I improved JSFuck down to just a 5-character character set using ES6 features (but losing IO-completeness, although I retained Turing-completeness), but apparently now there are newer JS features that give you IO-completeness (and even DOM-completeness) with just a 5 character character set
< 1612736625 98207 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1612736639 317276 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what new features made it possible to remove chars from jsfuck?
< 1612736658 263192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :template strings let you call functions with `` as long as you give them a hardcoded string literal as argument
< 1612736674 662182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which saves characters because `` is one character twice, as opposed to () which is two different characters
< 1612736696 204471 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1612736723 543504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new new feature is the |> pipeline operator, which *also* lets you call functions
< 1612736740 586146 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm not aware of |>
< 1612736743 543781 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1612736745 418353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saves one char because > is a comparison operator, so you can get at booleans without needing to add =, >, or some similar character
< 1612736755 933322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x |> f is equivalent to f(x)
< 1612736764 518110 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1612736780 517180 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody liked haskell, i guess
< 1612736788 901161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, they gotta stop adding features to JavaScript.
< 1612736805 354400 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1612736811 172379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I seriously programmed OCaml I was using two different pipeline operators, I forget what the difference was
< 1612736822 265249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of them had a built-in map and the other didn't?
< 1612736829 901277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC one was a builtin and I implemented the other myself
< 1612736874 810633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the version that's in browsers.
< 1612736927 173963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :|> seems such a silly addition...
< 1612736937 621130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow: https://caniuse.com/mdn-javascript_operators_pipeline
< 1612736949 980047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently |> isn't implemented by *any* common browser
< 1612736962 989247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen that when looking up the compatibility of a JavaScript feature
< 1612736965 427874 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Ruby the new features are added in the way that on meetings guys come up with ideas or community feedbacks as "what if we implement this?" and Matz either says "yes" or "no" -- and sometimes he's in too good mood to allow implementation of a shit the language didn't need on my opinion
< 1612736970 835944 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about node?
< 1612737000 236741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The experimental pipeline operator |> (currently at stage 1) --" makes me wonder what exactly the stages are.
< 1612737007 395134 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such things that kind of hide the errors, like "let's return nil here instead of raising the exception" -- the community loves it because it's in the mood of web
< 1612737024 709309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think caniuse supports Node (or other offline JSes like Rhino)
< 1612737025 813045 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/silly/useless/
< 1612737038 356944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/tc39/proposal-pipeline-operator "Warning: The details of the pipeline syntax are currently unsettled. There are two competing proposals under consideration."
< 1612737053 900625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they mean "not settled"? "unsettled" means something else
< 1612737096 708061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Man's greatest asset is the unsettled mind", said an Asimov short story.
< 1612737133 989047 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how you would use multiple arguments in pipeline
< 1612737144 822065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proposal gives an example
< 1612737160 62370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't find it very readable, it basically involves wrapping the pipeline stage in a lambda
< 1612737185 941129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suggest combining it with https://github.com/tc39/proposal-partial-application
< 1612737187 958686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why they even work on anything other than making browser programming a usable compiler target.
< 1612737188 180724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, wow
< 1612737215 581524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of Mathematica's #…& operator, but it's actually pretty different
< 1612737280 803205 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, partial application would be nice
< 1612737316 959570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unsettled looks ambiguous
< 1612737332 788071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is only for something in function argument position, and it lambdifies the immediately surrounding function?
< 1612737336 511741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I've seen "unsettled conjecture" before
< 1612737353 93068 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is redundant, but never mind that)
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< 1612737366 996868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Need to write |> _ => for each step in the pipeline." // That looks like one of those horizontal / non-rotated emoticons.
< 1612737400 172250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems very specific.
< 1612737418 341194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a lambda inside a pipeline stage
< 1612737427 634180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ => is the lambda (with a funky argument name)
< 1612737434 652777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |> is the pipeline operator
< 1612737456 522676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :|> _ =>
< 1612737593 515757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that `f(g(?))` is `f(_0 => g(_0))` rather than `_0 => f(g(_0))` makes perfect sense, but I feel like that'd lead to bugs anyway.
< 1612737618 863848 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the competing proposal looks more like a syntactical transformation where  foo |> bar  is  let # = foo [# here unless `foo` uses #] in bar (ML-style non-recursive let)
< 1612737621 963365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, maybe it's more likely to not work at all rather than to work wrong.)
< 1612737623 756822 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie lol at those "Think" magazine rejections: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Asset
< 1612737645 381716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mathematica's # … & operator gets round the problem by using an & to mark the function you're partially applying
< 1612737666 485880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're encouraged to write g(?) |> f instead.
< 1612737668 247031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it's too general and is even harder to figure out the scope, because the & is placed at the end of the scope you're lambda'ing over but there's no marker for the start
< 1612737694 700700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, g(?) |> f is equivalent to f(g(?))
< 1612737704 860889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the partially applied function is given as an argument to f
< 1612737726 123147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, I forgot what the goal was.
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< 1612737749 517822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, hmm.
< 1612737756 500460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a Haskell-style compose operator
< 1612737759 965943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(g . f)(?)
< 1612737763 287748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant you'd write ... |> g |> f
< 1612737765 60540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or just (g . f))
< 1612737773 296793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course it's all silly in that context anyway.
< 1612737791 942651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! that's probably the other operator I had, besides |>
< 1612737797 532972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have had both pipeline and compose
< 1612737811 61381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an argument-swapped compose
< 1612737819 56556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm
< 1612737822 20547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not swapped
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< 1612738648 362021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering the other day about centralizing handling of all JavaScript events.
< 1612738759 722045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead of having callbacks that do anything, they'd just add events to a queue, which you'd drain later.
< 1612738793 331046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem is that if you get multiple events at once, there's no way of knowing, really. You can't ask if there are other events on the queue, as far as I know.
< 1612738806 23576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can process events once per frame or something like that, I suppose.
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> 1612739749 464652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Photon (Quintopia)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80618&oldid=80616 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-9) 10fix formatting
< 1612740225 113552 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think over the time they have added many good features into JavaScript, such as typed arrays, generator functions, arrow functions, big integers, etc. But, some things they didn't add, such as a goto command, and a alternate call stack capability.
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< 1612740775 277489 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what new functions they will add for big integers. They should add 64-bit MOR and MXOR, and also popcount, two log2 functions (one returning a floating number and one returning a integer), Date.bigNow() (in case of future), and functions for reading/writing arbitrary length integers into array buffers.
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< 1612741033 657556 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those idea about partial application are not so good, I thought of other way too they don't seem very good; best probably using arrow functions in the existing way, since the other ways are not general enough
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< 1612741356 887280 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:c4a0:e06b:3b46:8b06 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does tromp keep joining and quitting
< 1612741373 13248 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why.
< 1612741468 249427 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client folds these messages, like: "10 users have joined, and 1 user has left"
< 1612741487 793988 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@2600:1702:3680:756f:c4a0:e06b:3b46:8b06 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What client is that?
< 1612741538 216784 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://thelounge.chat/
< 1612741577 758218 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : /ctcp nakilon version
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< 1612787770 301372 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :A w is everything a cow isn't.
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< 1612787779 760823 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`n is an abbreviation for `spam.
< 1612787794 427918 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :` spam
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< 1612787803 430052 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is a delicious meat product. See http://www.spamjamhawaii.com/
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< 1612787822 700146 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :rasel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612788563 893239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the error message for `-space-anything is pretty confusing, since it tries to execute the empty string as a command. Funny, never noticed that before.
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< 1612788567 980535 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? Permission denied
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< 1612798238 460681 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> […] neither is obviously equivalent to ((int65_t)x + (int65_t)y) / 2" I think you want uint65_t
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< 1612798359 226995 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> (I have a suspicion that subtraction from zero may be more efficient, though, although the answer isn't quite the same due how floating point works)" => that's because, weirdly, the additive unit of floating point numbers is minus zero, not zero.
> 1612798545 582241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80624&oldid=80619 5* 03Short c1rcuit 5* (+201) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1612799048 376915 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> yep, 0.1 isn't an exact integer multiplier of *any* power of 2" => which is why all sorts of programming lists keep getting emails like "your interpreter is buggy, it says that 0.1 + 0.2 != 0.3", and, as I learned the hard way, if you find an actual bug that comes from the programmer being careless with floating point arithmetic, you have to alter your bug report so it clearly isn't one of 
< 1612799054 845745 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those emails, or else it will be ignored
< 1612799575 510220 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is this JSFuck improvements thing documented anywhere? and how is the |> operator relevant? even if the > operator helps, isn't | basically a wasted character other than that?
< 1612799784 525875 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that pipeline operator thing sounds like one of those features that makes beginner coders write unreadable code, and spend an inordinate amount of time posting questions about "how do I do <foo> with the pipeline operator" when in fact they shouldn't be using the pipeline operator at all
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< 1612802479 612019 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my guess is that there's insufficient automation and they forgot some manual step in uploading the strip. something like that happened to DMM recently.
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< 1612802756 515204 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think my explanation is more interesting
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< 1612805317 183192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... another AME mechanic
< 1612806329 400144 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should write "interaction" instead of "mechanic"
< 1612807392 636876 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's AME? is that the puzzle game with the cats and chairs and islands?
< 1612807770 159601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. well mostly trees and islands and water and rafts
< 1612807795 284031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are exhibits though... cats and chairs may feature in those
< 1612807802 587281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Monster's Expedition
< 1612807893 800647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ame-new.jpg ... original situation to the left; result of knocking over the tree to the right
< 1612807905 387399 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess the last result :)
< 1612807931 720075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or glance at https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ame-news.jpg)
< 1612808197 984122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm beginning to think that there may be 600 islands, exactly
< 1612808274 517706 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the game's count, so some connected landmasses count as several islands)
< 1612808450 251695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: actually your list seems like a mix of AME (islands), {5,n}-step Steve (cats) and Hiding Spot (chairs).
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< 1612810457 757833 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while my first attempt to automate the tagging with the IRC messages training set size of 10 had only ~40% accuracy I've tried 4 different NLP tools and 8 combinated approaches to reach the accuracy of 60% and 80% with the training set size of 50
< 1612810545 138878 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I guess I made an automated search for a "bad entries of the training set" that I might need to correct/improve to improve the quality https://dpaste.org/KisW/slim
> 1612810561 824733 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Conjectures14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80625 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+3091) 10Conjectures
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> 1612810686 977131 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80626&oldid=80197 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+65) 10Conjectures
< 1612810762 92234 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't like is that bash piping does not break the chain if some piece didn't exit with 0 status code
< 1612810783 591111 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick googling didn't provide any simple solution
< 1612810799 158365 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :set -euf -o pipefail
< 1612811141 470312 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot about it, thanks
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< 1612812368 205476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 519
< 1612812370 742056 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 519: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
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< 1612813091 752376 :vndr!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/48349/is-this-variant-of-bitwise-cyclic-tag-turing-complete
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< 1612813657 725962 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how SO thought "hm, we wanted to have a place for programmers, not coders" and made Programmers.SE
< 1612813685 20891 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they thought "damn, it's still coders, we need another one" and made CSTheory.SE
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< 1612814892 597958 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between a coder and a programmer?
< 1612814993 968528 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coders code, programmers program
> 1612814999 200248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BSS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80627&oldid=80609 5* 03CatLooks 5* (+22) 10
< 1612815086 439904 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither one is CS theory
< 1612815088 747923 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is closer to math
< 1612815105 253916 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :really it is math
< 1612815121 56799 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math of algorithms and stuff..
< 1612815131 760674 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to like
< 1612815136 561316 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the science of how computers work
< 1612815145 8538 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricity and RAM and whatever
< 1612815165 814773 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - Edsger Dijkstra
< 1612815191 860330 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "informatics" is a better name
< 1612815206 293090 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<writes computer science on a blackboard and then crosses it out> - abelson
< 1612815236 468340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1612815260 904217 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :write "computer science", then cross out "computer", then cross out "science"
> 1612815262 12192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BSS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80628&oldid=80627 5* 03CatLooks 5* (+35) 10
< 1612815280 927517 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure the most popular sort of computers use electricity but you can also build computers out of pneumatic tubes, or strands of DNA or whatever, and apply the same concepts from "computer science"
< 1612815296 664776 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore the stuff specific to electricity is better seen as part of electrical engineering
< 1612815303 287593 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: informatics is exactly what it's called in german
< 1612815306 463776 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1612815334 396078 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still confused to how people don't know what informatics is but are perfectly fine with bioinformatics
< 1612815344 118508 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :biocomputerscience
< 1612815535 645073 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :semiconductor digital logic is really a remarkably strong abstraction
< 1612815536 469236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNA data processing
< 1612815557 36670 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very rare that programmers at even the lowest level of systems programming need to care about the electrical characteristics of transistors on the chips they're using
< 1612816144 850936 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: kind of reminded of this... https://www.damninteresting.com/on-the-origin-of-circuits/ 'Five individual logic cells were functionally disconnected from the rest⁠— with no pathways that would allow them to influence the output⁠— yet when the researcher disabled any one of them the chip lost its ability to discriminate the tones.'
< 1612816263 93289 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:11:45 <kmc> really it is math
< 1612816279 369232 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they already have three different Math SE )
< 1612816287 300779 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for nearly the same reason
< 1612816399 117046 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:12:25 <rain1> electricity and RAM and whatever
< 1612816406 146708 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's now what computer science is about
< 1612816479 434390 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: interesting
< 1612816480 276762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( rowhammer )
< 1612816500 332973 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15:34 <myname> i am still confused to how people don't know what informatics is but are perfectly fine with bioinformatics
< 1612816520 345159 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are too busy growing bacterias in Petri dishes
< 1612816541 909902 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile i'm growing fungi in Petri dishes
< 1612816545 841595 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and some bacteria by accident
< 1612816546 410985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the security research corner of computer science that cares a great deal about breaks in the abstraction.
< 1612816554 876951 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big DNA data
< 1612816560 248129 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, that is something i've always found interesting about security as a field
< 1612816581 445314 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :successful attacks often involve cleverness at multiple layers of abstraction, breaking the tidy assumptions which separate them
< 1612816629 116099 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> yet when the researcher disabled any one of them the chip lost its ability to discriminate the tones
< 1612816630 868828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:42: error: <hint>:1:42: error: parse error on input ‘of’
< 1612816655 705613 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this means exploits are often /funny/ too
< 1612816659 926854 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember how in my C++Builder code there was a "int i;" that wasn't used but if I delete it the program crashed
< 1612816679 568500 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cleverly subverting expectations is core to much of humor
> 1612816687 970860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80629&oldid=80591 5* 03Short c1rcuit 5* (+13) 10Added Defunc to the language list
< 1612816710 411279 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: lol
< 1612816752 608636 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the abstraction boundary of C or C++ has big gaping holes labeled "undefined behavior" and if you stray into those areas then truly spooky action at a distance is not just possible but expected
< 1612816798 116641 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like for some reason compiler were just too buggy 15 years ago
< 1612816814 719218 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :a beginner C programmer curses the segfault; an expert thanks the gods for a segfault because it is the best and easiest to debug consequence of UB
< 1612816815 888667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://www.minitool.com/news/hdd-use-as-rudimentary-microphone.html comes to mind as a surprising (yet understandable) sidechannel
< 1612816840 985768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, security research is full of these kind of things
< 1612817028 611961 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are tools to receive AM radio signal on Macbook somehow
< 1612817037 526748 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it somehow interferes with CPU
< 1612817086 241418 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the five 'disconnected' logic cells in that FPGA experiment were really interacting with the active logic or if they were necessary just to influence the place-and-route algorithm into a configuration that produces the right timings
< 1612817116 804999 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause the way it describes the rest of the circuit (asynchronous, lots of oscillating feedback) would make it very timing dependent
< 1612817167 479480 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :as indeed it would have to be to fulfill its purpose as a frequency discriminator
< 1612817175 636485 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :щh no
< 1612817185 898230 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even receiver but AM transmitter! https://github.com/fulldecent/system-bus-radio
< 1612817198 188711 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :to really understand the meaning of the experiment you would have to dig into the structure of that particular FPGA
< 1612817203 721178 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I don't have an AM receiver to test it
< 1612817241 305622 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1612817245 562431 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like an update of http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/
< 1612817331 49374 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've definitely picked up sounds coming out of my laptop's circuitry on my UHF ham radio
< 1612817348 312374 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when i transmit on that radio it would turn on the motion-sensitive floodlights on the back deck at my old apartment
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< 1612817703 147714 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can connect a wire to a Raspberry Pi GPIO pin and send shortwave radio transmissions around the world https://github.com/JamesP6000/WsprryPi
< 1612817815 266474 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though you should include a low-pass filter to avoid radiating harmonics)
< 1612817992 223549 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty neat how simple / cheap / small / low-power you can make a shortwave radio transciever and have global communications without any sort of infrastructure in the middle
< 1612818099 787710 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, That's the ham radio version of home automation i suppose
< 1612818193 884630 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
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> 1612821555 476529 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Defunc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80630 5* 03Short c1rcuit 5* (+3286) 10Added Defunc
> 1612821635 442144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Defunc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80631&oldid=80630 5* 03Short c1rcuit 5* (-24) 10Replaced factorial program with a more efficient one
> 1612821859 391333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80632&oldid=80462 5* 03Short c1rcuit 5* (+122) 10Added Defunc to the list
> 1612822402 456438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain:D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80633&oldid=79988 5* 03Sethpeace 5* (+11) 10Fixed code formatting
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> 1612822420 475714 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain:D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80634&oldid=80633 5* 03Sethpeace 5* (+1) 10grammar
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< 1612822632 224788 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait, #esoteric was playing *three* puzzle games, not just two?
< 1612822639 107954 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in recently]
< 1612822712 713201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: more. somebody touched Baba is You, I think
< 1612822760 236230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I may have talked about Pipe Push
< 1612822800 381317 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think nobody else played/plays it so I didn't say much about it beyond some initial discoveries.
< 1612822813 782334 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :зlay Zachtronix games
< 1612822817 508107 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*play
< 1612822860 513973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I played exapunks recently too
< 1612822865 190479 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stupid old macOS bug that when you switch from the app with different active keyboard layout it does not switch in time when you start typing)
< 1612822872 661804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :talked about it to fizzie, mostly
< 1612822915 20150 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are having weekly contests in Opus Magnum on reddit
< 1612822917 191699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, the point is... we really have a lot of those games :P
< 1612822958 641202 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I liked the TIS-100 and Infinifactory the most
< 1612822980 165964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but infinifactory didn't know when to stop
< 1612823032 451250 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither Opus Magnum and Spacechem did
< 1612823103 128011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for me, the "Atropos station" levels were a burden, and the "The homeward fleet" products were all way too big to even attempt planning out.
< 1612823144 313405 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you mean the number of levels? I don't remember where I stopped
< 1612823149 781365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I played Spacechem at least very close to all the way through.
< 1612823154 613048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opus Magnum I haven't played.
< 1612823181 59060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the number of the levels, it's the size/complexity of the solution
< 1612823207 150499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I definitely did that laser thing at least.
< 1612823225 328255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Very terribly, but still.)
< 1612823255 770786 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add in Steam? ..D
< 1612823449 475067 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I uninstalled Infinifactory a few weeks ago. Good choice.
< 1612823514 160744 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it was the one Zachtronics game that had a story
< 1612823519 804610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't get me wrong though... except for the last 2 sets the levels were mostly fun.
< 1612823542 509929 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not boring text dialogs like in Opus Magnum but you was playing it in first person like in a sci-fi movie
< 1612823550 991965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just prefer games that end before they become a chore.
< 1612823566 90972 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening to messages left by other sotry characters
< 1612823571 546033 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the text in opus agnum
< 1612823581 640420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a hard balance to strike because the point where things become a chore is very subjective.
< 1612823613 199608 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :games should be infinite
< 1612823619 340933 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or infinitely replayable
< 1612823709 578593 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I play Shenzhen I/O when I could play KiCad
< 1612823757 868089 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaderboard I guess
< 1612823758 621045 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games can be infinite or infinitely replayable; other kinds it doesn't work so well.
< 1612823768 482894 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shenzhen was too complex though
< 1612823798 409788 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, also, make up your own game, too.
< 1612823820 47091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I actually found something from Infinifactory... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/2018-09-19-04-38-28.gif
< 1612823840 266359 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have also done, and am also in the process of making a game engine too. But, you could also do, if you want to do.)
< 1612823852 387031 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these games have Steam Workshop where people are making puzzles for each other -- I think Portal chambers were fun
< 1612823973 906352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was by far the weirdest assembly gadget I made... as I recall it, it only worked at one particular speed)
< 1612823984 58046 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started making own not necessary "game" but "visualisation" engine in ruby2d but it's segfaulting, lol
< 1612824015 115093 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Dragonruby that people use to create games for Itch.io -- it's mruby that is too limited as for me, no gems, etc.
< 1612824028 240982 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no even normal file and network interfaces
< 1612824126 231908 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other systems to try to write the game on too, including ZZT, NES/Famicom, Glulx, or just using C codes with SDL or curses
< 1612824164 87878 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby2d (and probably Dragonruby too) is built on top of SDL
< 1612824254 770476 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkMqUPJU4Bc
< 1612824347 727883 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, you can program in DOS)
> 1612824364 407349 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Erinius/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80635&oldid=80592 5* 03Erinius 5* (+26) 10
< 1612824739 438398 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used any of the other stuff that I have mentioned?
< 1612824808 772067 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used curses for a tcpdump wrapper back in 2013
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< 1612825530 378862 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1612825998 731256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Story-wise, the bit I liked about EXAPUNKS is that the chatroom simulation felt very realistic, like it was just real IRC logs.
< 1612826085 153790 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exapunk also managed the chore level nicely for me... in particular, the main story ended and it was clear that the larger tasks that followed were bonus tasks
< 1612826166 420172 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I alson liked the exapunk chat logs. and the "zines" too.
< 1612826183 832041 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a nobus task
< 1612826237 340022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh and let's not forget the easter eggs (switching off the lights in the pizza parlour...)
< 1612826301 395568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, bedtime I suppose
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< 1612827592 903888 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1612827664 392307 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1612827822 770607 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers from brazil
< 1612827892 652800 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone there
< 1612827911 776797 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1612827983 112315 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon, what are you doing here on #esoteric?
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< 1612832996 456852 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it gave me the "possible bad entries of the training set" and also proposed way to fix them -- when I fix the worst one the accuracy jumps up in several percents, lol
< 1612833020 288315 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the self-improving AI...
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< 1612835059 428711 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is annoyed the most about messages that are grammatically incorrect so I wasn't going to but I made an automatic grammar errors detector ..D
< 1612835151 844193 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually the error appeared to be not by the chat user but by my script that has processed the logs from the website
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< 1612835203 18722 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's able to detect error not only in the training set but even in its source code ..D
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< 1612836318 748279 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Killed (rothfuss.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))
< 1612836318 894335 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
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> 1612840210 594551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07\ () /14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80636&oldid=76170 5* 03Randairox 5* (-331) 10i'm vanishing from the face of this earth. the repo's gone with me
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< 1612841530 360028 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a gap in the red part of the temperature?
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> 1612844296 467444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80637&oldid=80617 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Commands and keywords */ typo!
> 1612844532 135547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80638&oldid=80637 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+13) 10/* Hello, world! */
> 1612845673 896754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esme/esme.pl14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80639 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+6397) 10sorry... this exists
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> 1612855807 339771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Substitution14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80640 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+5102) 10+[[Substitution]]
> 1612855811 438575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80641&oldid=80629 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+19) 10+[[Substitution]]
> 1612855815 91337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80642&oldid=80626 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+19) 10+[[Substitution]]
< 1612856024 384552 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably to add a level export format for Free Hero Mesh, probably uncompressed, but will need to contain class names and message names rather than relying on the numbers for them, since those numbers may be different when the level is imported later. I don't know if it should be text or binary, and the other possibilities also I didn't know, but should be not too complicated to read/write.
< 1612856420 624835 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know?
> 1612856875 124753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80643&oldid=80640 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+603) 10Add an example
> 1612856924 411120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Substitution14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80644&oldid=80643 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-1) 10
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> 1612858466 307150 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80645&oldid=80644 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-150) 10That was redundant
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> 1612862914 94347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80646&oldid=80645 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+822) 10Add negation
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> 1612863384 622851 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80647&oldid=80499 5* 03Short c1rcuit 5* (+33) 10Added Defunc to the list
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> 1612865191 862537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80648&oldid=80646 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1852) 10Add more examples
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< 1612870488 491194 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? super bowl
< 1612870490 30814 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :super bowl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612870517 813022 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? superbowl
< 1612870519 271444 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :superbowl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612870531 341428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? SuperBall
< 1612870532 750880 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuperBall? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612870541 523512 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? super bowl ball
< 1612870543 31160 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :super bowl ball? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612870576 522732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Super Ball is observed to reverse the direction of spin on each bounce.[25][26][27] This effect depends on the tangential compliance and frictional effect in the collision. It cannot be explained by rigid body impact theory, and would not occur were the ball perfectly rigid.[27]"
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> 1612870581 78854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Defunc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80649&oldid=80631 5* 03Short c1rcuit 5* (+41) 10Put Defunc into the "Unknown computational class" category
< 1612870585 105417 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? meatball for supper
< 1612870586 448555 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :meatball for supper? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612870587 490283 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? superb owl
< 1612870588 971596 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :superb owl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1612870623 530774 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup with ball
< 1612870642 893977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can an owl use a segway by perching on the steering arm if it's tired of flying around? 
< 1612870674 487997 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if it was circus-trained
< 1612870698 403001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's too light.
< 1612870789 875383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, Super Bowl *is* named after the Super Ball? I thought that was just a coincidence.
< 1612870857 878082 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was named because the trophy for the winning team was called a bowl. Not too descriptive, because some tennis competitions also have trophies that are bowls.
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< 1612870994 7803 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's because theyre used to be a bunch of competitions held in bowl-shaped stadia
< 1612871001 490567 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1612871008 815307 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plural of "stadium"
< 1612871027 692389 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't American sportsball played in square-shaped fields?
< 1612871030 712984 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Bowl_Game
< 1612871039 322456 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this counts the stands
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< 1612877267 592684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to get a JS-complete subset of JavaScript you only need +[], some way to create boolean false and true, and some way to call functions
< 1612877284 176477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ES5 and earlier that needs three extra characters, e.g. () for function call and ! to create booleans
< 1612877310 460053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ES6, you can use ` for function call and = for booleans, but this isn't JS-complete because you can't call the functions with arbitrary arguments (it is TC though)
< 1612877343 81379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the new pipeline operator, you can use |> for function call and > to create booleans, which is JS-complete on only five different characters because > was used twice
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< 1612877426 123092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason you need true and false is to steal letters from their string representations)
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> 1612878600 245718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Substitution14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80650&oldid=80648 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2) 10/* Disjunction */
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< 1612880615 209971 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1612880713 153052 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone?
< 1612880874 999192 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1612880915 589189 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a uncomputable turing tarpit based on a crazy concept
< 1612880931 884190 :someoneelse!b1b3fdef@177-179-253-239.user.veloxzone.com.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :check it out, it's called PRSCNT
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> 1612889320 934140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80651&oldid=80638 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1470) 10/* Example programs */ added a digital root calculator program
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> 1612892122 142439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Obvious 5*  10New user account
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< 1612892638 114909 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, there is no channel for bots to talk to each other
> 1612892760 342216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80652&oldid=80624 5* 03Obvious 5* (+208) 10/* Introductions */
> 1612892813 881575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Defunc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80653&oldid=80649 5* 03Obvious 5* (+5) 10Fixed a few example codes
< 1612893779 649204 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, the first phrases of the bot that make sense
< 1612893783 545168 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: we don't practice apartheid, bots can talk on the same channels as non-bots
< 1612893796 394315 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think, indeed."
< 1612893803 109915 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I learn, Impressive!"
< 1612893803 269305 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Too much IRC"
< 1612893821 293424 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you also want a channel for black people to talk to each other?
< 1612893835 577190 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas needs testing though at first until it's done
< 1612893846 633487 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do black people need testing?
< 1612893900 309219 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine CI for people
< 1612893945 408971 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :merge requests to start families
< 1612893955 995001 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :integration testing for making friends
< 1612894634 289661 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1612895705 894268 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pandas: staring at 20 GB of data. me: cast it into the fire! destroy it! pandas: no
< 1612895739 534033 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot convince python to free any memory
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< 1612896418 466126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill -9 -1
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< 1612896668 753931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't glibc malloc kind of like the same thing. ;)
< 1612896698 601953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, if you're talking proper big chunks that it mmap'd, it does actually return memory to the system sometimes. And I think also opportunistically if the top of the heap's all empty.)
< 1612896802 124823 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it too much to hope for that it would madvise stuff away when a large enough chunk of memory becomes free?
< 1612896841 305466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does that, but it's probably something it could do.
< 1612896863 881478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier than unmapping, I mean.
< 1612896950 933919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: WDYT, should I install Go 1.14 from Debian backports or just 1.15 from the official distribution (and forget about APT), to set up that one thing that needs a Go version >= 1.14? 
< 1612896952 127612 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the task forces has not been resolved. togo must know that there is widespread support for this coordinated effort to eliminate these cohesion funds in the irish national cancer registry, published in recent days, and therefore do not it seems to the commission and council are of the opinion that in a context where there is a problem and would certainly enhance awareness on the part of big business, has not been amended
< 1612896971 701556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that helped.
> 1612896981 252897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80654&oldid=79444 5* 03Someone else 5* (-2080) 10
< 1612896987 802200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Come on, it's the same system you're running on too, surely you must have an opinion? 
< 1612896987 961967 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, it has in all events, the commission could, in fact, the piece of legislation.
< 1612897001 333040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a politician.
> 1612897193 624894 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80655&oldid=80654 5* 03Someone else 5* (+45) 10
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> 1612902533 329392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Inject14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80658 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1565) 10Create page (Not Done Yet)
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> 1612903261 672026 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80659&oldid=80651 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1116) 10/* Example programs */ added a fizzbuzz program
< 1612903288 416038 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least he respects you calls a mr. president
< 1612903298 658673 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lower case though
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> 1612910515 201369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rattle14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80668 5* 03DRH001 5* (+25672) 10Creating page for Rattle!
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< 1612921764 965465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're forced by an uncaring god to do YAML, and you have a key that's supposed to contain an array under it, do you indent the - that marks each array element or not? Because AFAICT, both "key:\n- foo\n- bar\n" and "key:\n  - foo\n  - bar\n" are valid.
< 1612921786 694203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I feel like I'd prefer the former, but this example file does the latter.)
< 1612921838 730849 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I let my language decide how to format it
< 1612921859 287446 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't usually have such keys _Oo
< 1612921906 300275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guesstimate most of not all YAML config files I've come across have at least *one* list of some kind.
< 1612921909 633232 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't YAML a superset of JSON?
< 1612921934 134434 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does fix some of the problems of JSON, such as, comments are allowed.)
< 1612921947 245127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be, but I don't think it's a useful view of YAML necessarily, since it looks so different from well-formed JSON.
< 1612921950 110060 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I thought you mean the array being a key
< 1612921996 363861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just meant {"key": ["foo", "bar"]} in JSON terms.
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< 1612922061 562599 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dpaste.org/eEaS/slim
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< 1612922130 48860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think they're both valid but I'd probably tend to prefer always indenting the contents of a key.
< 1612922149 733038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting. It's also what the Python YAML dumper makes, and doesn't indent. And I was just leaning towards indenting, because it's what I've seen in examples, and like you mention, there's a consistency argument.
< 1612922150 104122 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAML basically gives you some space on your taste, noticed it when configured Github Actions since they are written by hand
< 1612922281 776898 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there are probably indentation options though: https://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.6.3/libdoc/psych/rdoc/Psych.html#method-c-dump
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< 1612922332 17578 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg https://dpaste.org/TPOQ/slim
< 1612922398 506318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks pretty wild.
< 1612922399 930927 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that indentation arg appeared do be not relevant)
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< 1612922583 63671 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess once I tried to export something from python and import to ruby and either it didn't work or I used this canonical:true to solve it
< 1612922670 719281 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAML libraries tend to have vulnerabilities to be found once in a year so if possible I would also consider TOML some day
< 1612922702 249029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to read the YAML spec the other day, and found it very slow going. Kind of thought it would've been simpler.
< 1612922801 352716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't blame me!
< 1612922880 802252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you write it? 
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< 1612922985 446866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. That's the top reason not to blame me.
< 1612923094 618000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a sort of familiar-shaped name there, but I didn't even notice, I think I was distracted by wondering whether "Ingy döt Net" actually has that as some sort of a legal name, complete with the ö.
< 1612923098 738962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a lot of Finnish names with diaeresis, and it tends to be a problem every now and then with systems that make Assumptions™.)
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< 1612923128 153304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's the plural of diaeresis? Diaeresises?)
< 1612923171 752713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently, diaereses.)
< 1612923172 741587 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :diarrheas
< 1612923284 680901 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have two letters in Russian with these things above them
< 1612923340 452872 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we put one of them under the '~' that is on the left from '1' and it's so hard to make people press such distant key so mostly we just stopped using it
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< 1612923386 214350 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Е and Ё -- so now there are holywars whether to use Ёё or forget it at all
< 1612923434 797809 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one is Йй but it's not in danger, maybe because it had a luck to be placed not so far on a keyboard
< 1612923573 225250 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and since there are 33 letters in Russian alphabet that is just 1 more than 0x20 the alphabet was placed like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOI8-R
< 1612923628 538704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK keyboard layout uses that faraway key for the backtick ` and the logical not ¬ and, as the only single printed third-level ("AltGr") symbol, the broken bar, except that on this system it just generates the same regular bar that's already got a different key.
< 1612923645 340017 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see the codepage does not have Ёё and it was used as some control character in IRC and IIRC Eggdrop IRC bot was crashing because of it or something like that
< 1612923764 889331 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, there is Ёё there but it's just in a weird position
< 1612923808 146268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We didn't really get a custom code page for an 8-bit encoding, so it was mostly just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_850 for DOS things. Kind of did a number on the line-drawing characters though.
< 1612923940 112931 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this article mentions 1252
< 1612923993 954595 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you needed to enable 1251 manually on Win XP or some software might show Russian as ???? ?????? ? ??
< 1612923996 177798 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to write a YAML file for something that uses YAML but you don't like YAML, you could just as well use JSON instead; and, if you are writing it by yourself (rather than using existing JSON implementation that you might already have) then you can add comments too. It does say YAML is a superset of JSON, so {"key": ["foo", "bar"]} is a valid YAML code as well as JSON.
< 1612924018 90501 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was among the actions you want to make after you reinstall windows ..D
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< 1612924100 453515 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found one web page that if scripts are not enabled, it displays a link to the documention; that is good. But, the documentation doesn't work without scripts enabled; it just displays nothing.
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< 1612962503 933501 :mlhesszV!~mlhess@121.171.158.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/!\ this channel has moved to ##hamradio /!\
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< 1612962583 904756 :drhaf!~drh@did75-h03-176-184-22-140.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :/!\ this channel has moved to ##hamradio /!\
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< 1612962705 81633 :anzuofDp!~anzuof@115-36-17-214.chubu1.commufa.jp PRIVMSG #esoteric :/!\ this channel has moved to #nyymit /!\
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< 1612962784 927187 :Jan\Ni!~Jan\@94.143.198.36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/!\ this channel has moved to #nyymit /!\
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< 1612962930 489019 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? spam?
< 1612963364 665646 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))
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< 1612963939 347118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job, sigyn
< 1612964106 914824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, wonder how that happened.
< 1612964333 280741 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I thought using е
< 1612964383 476819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd selection of channels for the spam, based on my biased view. Saw it on ##c, ##java, #perl, #scheme and #xmonad, but not on #android-dev, ##asm or #go-nuts. I don't think there's any obvious clustering that follows that boundary.
< 1612964385 600561 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of ё was an old thing that predated computer keyboards, sort of like that French nonsense of not using accents on capital letters, and ё got put in the worst place on the the keyboard because people weren't using it much.
< 1612964391 618546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and here, of course.)
< 1612964419 92536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 'If opped in your channel you can ask Sigyn to unkline an user, /msg Sigyn unkline <nick>, you have a dozen minutes to do so after the kill/kline, it only works if the user was banned due to abuse detected in your channel.' ... hmm probably too late for that
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> 1612964578 418995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80672&oldid=78597 5* 03Lebster 5* (+30) 10/* Online */
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< 1612964969 299417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Also, "it only works if the user was banned due to abuse detected in your channel", and Sigyn's not here.
< 1612964994 983244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, right
< 1612965006 668566 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was scary to be K-lined, lol
< 1612965028 245212 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not thinking properly...
< 1612965533 965651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I'm pretty sure `#nyymit` is a Finnish channel, from a suffix of the word "anonyymit", plural of en:anonymous, some sort of reference to that internet subculture thing. Not that I imagine they have anything more to do with the spam than ##hamradio.
< 1612965768 690640 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, welcome back nakilon
< 1612965788 150296 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we've had problems with Sigyn on our channel so an op eventually banished them
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< 1612965880 708003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we had Sigyn here briefly, but this channel's so prone to repetitive bot-spam that's "working as intended" that I think there was a worry about that. (I know it's possible to allowlist, but still.)
< 1612966172 830128 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: twitch chat has two of these zealous auto-moderator programs, one maintained by twitch and one third party, that newer streamers sometimes put in their chat channel without knowing exactly what they do, and then have to reconfigure within a week when they find how much it likes to silence people who they don't regard as spammers
< 1612966204 822802 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first one is twitch automod, the second is nightbot. nightbot can be usable, it's just its default settings that are bad.)
> 1612966328 732672 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80673&oldid=80672 5* 03Lebster 5* (+5) 10/* Print the Fibonacci Sequence */
> 1612966342 856785 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80674&oldid=80673 5* 03Lebster 5* (-74) 10/* Python */
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< 1613006793 33945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything at all you could still buy in a grocery store that's a dime a dozen? Hmm, I guess something where a single unit's quite small. But anything you could actually buy exactly 12 of, with a dime? 
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< 1613009000 829527 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, and I cannot test it at this time, due to the pandemic
< 1613009029 949803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it is anything, possibly something in bulk)
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< 1613010074 198494 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :bulk items are usually sold by weight
< 1613010101 534808 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work out to a dime a dozen, but would also depend on the weight of each item, which is usually somewhat variable
< 1613010445 297497 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelatedly i noticed today the logo of Raspberry Pi StackExchange looks a bit like everyone's favorite Letter, Other unicode character https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/
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< 1613010535 469357 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I put a Raspberry Pi in my fridge for an hour
< 1613010544 700294 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :powered from a USB power bank
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< 1613010568 333396 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing around with Mycodo and a temperature/humidity sensor I got
< 1613010575 458096 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
< 1613010590 768846 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it somehow amuses me greatly to SSH to a computer that is inside my fridge
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> 1613011131 940523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Arsm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80680 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+5640) 10Initial version of page
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> 1613011147 145858 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80681&oldid=76682 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+10) 10Add arsm
< 1613013626 293794 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time I had a computer that would only wake up from sleep if it was cold. I'd sometimes put it in the fridge for a bit when I got home so I could do that
< 1613013735 878446 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1613013746 932556 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of putting hard drives in the freezer to save them
< 1613013759 99087 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixes intermittent contacts on the board through metal expansion or something?
< 1613013794 694291 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a CSS command to display the page number of an anchor?
< 1613014076 400053 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know
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< 1613020156 818441 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there is such thing as JSON editor with GUI https://tomeko.net/software/JSONedit/
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> 1613022092 983439 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Silberjoder14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80683&oldid=79582 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+8) 10this example doesn't work on null input
> 1613022752 130804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aubergine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80684&oldid=77026 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-82) 10Simplification of proof
> 1613023483 481938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80685&oldid=80383 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+115) 10dna example explanation
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< 1613030243 938817 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon, fizzie: also I don't buy the argument that the backtick key (the one to the left of the 1 key) is far away, given how many people in forums seem to write backticks instead of every apostrophe
< 1613030563 19331 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<fizzie> Is there anything at all you could still buy in a grocery store that's a dime a dozen?" => not in a grocery store I believe. about the only items that are cheap enough to buy in a dime in a grocery store here are a box of matches, but that has about 40 to 50 sticks of matches in a box, or possibly twice as much if you can buy two for a dime, or staple baker products, but you can get one or at 
< 1613030569 90111 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most two for a dime. however,
< 1613030681 584753 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, there may be something you can buy for that price in a paper store or office supply store or post office, but even then I don't think it's possible anymore.
< 1613030694 765209 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a photocopy store maybe.
< 1613030716 34279 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a market.
< 1613030781 835780 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nope, it seems hard
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< 1613031001 329587 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could buy something like colored glass toy beads, or screws, or links of a metal chain, or large bearing balls a dime a dozen
< 1613031022 894277 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you can buy less than a meter of a metal chain
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< 1613040258 734440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you're not into jewelry, are you
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< 1613041205 186329 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not into jewelry
< 1613041236 283335 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that because of the metal chain?
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< 1613041469 24963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep
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> 1613044962 925091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80686&oldid=80667 5* 03Retro 5* (+259) 10
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> 1613049569 25006 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Graverage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80687&oldid=72782 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+65) 10/* Computational Class */ cats
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> 1613055307 654007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chatlog14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80688 5* 03Retro 5* (+7535) 10Created page with "[[Category:Brainfuck equivalents]] [[Category:2021]] [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Turing complete]]  '''Chatlog''' is an esoteric programming language made by User:Retr..."
> 1613055417 222958 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chatlog14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80689&oldid=80688 5* 03Retro 5* (+0) 10
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< 1613056110 510880 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> given how many people in forums seem to write backticks instead of every apostrophe
< 1613056112 495655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:23: error: <hint>:1:23: error: parse error on input ‘in’
< 1613056121 938904 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in their layout it's not that far? maybe near some Shift?
< 1613056154 387775 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :` -- actually this one is on the key on the right from the left shift in my current layout
< 1613056155 946808 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? Permission denied
< 1613056184 136969 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use this key at all though, I prefer big shift and thinking that the next key is Z
< 1613056234 510452 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol I've triggered two bots
< 1613056306 683855 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Physical_keyboard_layouts_comparison_ANSI_ISO_KS_ABNT_JIS.png
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< 1613056432 58587 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've use an old keyboard on desktop that has the upper layout -- that's what people used earlier, and Shifts got destroyed only years after that
< 1613056577 962525 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the thing I told wasn't about the backtick but about the Ёё that is on the same key -- the one under Esc
< 1613056645 602212 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that key is Ёё/`~
< 1613056660 838205 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yes, I just said I think substituting е for ё was a thing before most people learned to type on a keyboard
< 1613056669 283970 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could be wrong about this
< 1613056838 308651 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick googling gives three typewriter layouts: one same as modern keyboard: https://media.mts.ru/upload/contents/10544/poviezhivatsya_301120_6.jpg
< 1613056861 382661 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one with Ё in the far right bottom https://media.mts.ru/upload/contents/10544/poviezhivatsya_301120_4.jpg
< 1613056903 555997 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I lost the third one, but it also didn't have Ё at all
< 1613056929 477072 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it just didn't have a place yet before computers
< 1613056982 758984 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they are from this page: https://media.mts.ru/society/124811/
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< 1613066867 870491 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_pumpkins_and_watermelons
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< 1613068128 879489 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLP stands for multilayer perceptron
< 1613068137 656522 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my little pony
< 1613068309 28660 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it stands for machine language parser
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< 1613071357 51996 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a political party named MLPD and i always think it has something to do with my little pony
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< 1613074085 151752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for Mobile Location Protocol.
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< 1613075822 419847 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any other systems store object references as a pair of index number and generation number?
< 1613075959 434163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Systems other than what?
< 1613075966 268051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a relatively common scheme.
< 1613075984 714669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Although, I know many systems just use pointers.
< 1613075998 84298 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some might use an index number without a generation number.)
< 1613075999 359403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's true.
< 1613076014 591533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's one article about it: https://floooh.github.io/2018/06/17/handles-vs-pointers.html
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< 1613077349 459804 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that works. What I have done is a bit different, although in my case it is involving VM codes, and while each object has a generation number, vacant slots don't; there is a single global generation counter which is incremented during a creation if there was no other creation since the most recent destruction. Another advantage of index/generation pairs is that you can easily find if an object has been destroyed, in case you care abo
< 1613077385 897384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your message was cut off after "care abo".
< 1613077405 602779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But use-after-free detection is a nice property.
< 1613077831 795787 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only to detect use-after-free, but in case you need to know if the object exists for some other reason, not only for detecting errors, sometimes.
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< 1613081396 660593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1613081443 832721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What system is this for?
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< 1613082966 280705 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, it is Free Hero Mesh is what I am doing, although similar ideas can apply to other systems, whether they use VM codes or not. There are other methods of garbage collections and determining validity of references in some systems, and that is one possibility.
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> 1613083631 456194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esme/esme.pl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80690&oldid=80639 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+400) 10at least the output is funny.
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< 1613084119 957799 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most instructions that dereference objects will result in an error if an invalid reference is given, except for ",Destroyed" which will be 1 if given an invalid reference. In this way, it is possible to check for invalid references.)
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< 1613084719 431202 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is different than the Windows version, which does use pointers, and an invalid reference will always crash and cannot be detected.)
< 1613084903 297715 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0
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< 1613086544 689419 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have backups of my public files? I make backups on DVDs, although I don't do that all the time; I only have a limited number of DVDs. Many of my files are Fossil repositories, which it is possible to clone (it is also possible to download only some artifacts, if you implement that by yourself; Fossil does not have the ability to make partial clones, although the protocol does).
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< 1613086623 602561 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, if you are interested, or know someone who is; if not, ignore this, I suppose)
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< 1613093710 42693 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't DVD rot in 10 years or so?
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< 1613094135 53379 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki is saying this is the most active forum even though the discord has 4 times the members
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< 1613094533 228800 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having more members does not necessarily make it more active, though.
< 1613094639 143006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if the discord was more active, too.
< 1613094658 189357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the wiki was almost certainly correct when it was written.
< 1613094698 147120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know anything about the discord, or any other discord, in case that sounded like it, I've just understood that to be a common pattern.)
< 1613094730 418591 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it also might have been changed over time. However, at least in my opinion, IRC is much better in many ways.
< 1613094758 389434 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, if you want to, you might write, "(as of [date])" in the wiki.)
< 1613094839 154353 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the 2003 logs from this forum?
< 1613094886 951054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. There are definitely logs from the year 2003 of this channel.
< 1613094960 168565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also some (not updated since 2016) charts of channel activity, showing that this place peaked around 2010-2011: https://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/activity_lines.html
< 1613095046 388631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know there's a lot flashier webby graphing frameworks around these days, but there's something quite pleasant about RRDtool output, however clunky it is.)
< 1613095066 557474 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same time as the esoteric forum got spammed to death
< 1613095128 49743 :GGmahdude!68dd57ef@104.221.87.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didnt even know there were open sources discord alternatives too
< 1613095134 923107 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discord is a cancer website that was made popular by intregrating it with League of Legends because their game devs were too lame to implement voice chat so they outsourced it to that website project
< 1613095139 329208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that predated this channel was the sange.fi mailing list, and the thing that predated *that* mailing list was the other mailing list, and I don't know what predated that.
< 1613095219 829419 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like mailing list so much I think that NNTP is better. However, the implementation could be made to support the same messages with both mailing list and NNTP.
< 1613095230 883417 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've succeed in making it popular because most of the gamers don't have a clue in software and just weren't told there are already such things as IRC, Quakenet, Teamspeak, etc., and that they don't really HAVE to register themselves on that website and pass all their private messaging via their proprietary servers
< 1613095278 577704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think cancer is a lot worse than Discord. Cancer kills millions of people every year, whereas Discord allows millions of people to communicate with each other (even if I have some objections to the specifics).
< 1613095364 659235 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :discord does not allow to communicate -- it's working in the opposite way
< 1613095400 772981 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those people who are there were here I would communicate with them but they are not here because they've been told that they have to use Discord since it's the only existing way to communicate in the internet
< 1613095417 604201 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Discord either.
< 1613095434 706169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I communicate with people using Discord that I wouldn't otherwise.
< 1613095442 988666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using a third-party client, though, usually.)
< 1613095478 814714 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably there are bridges between IRC and that cancer
< 1613095571 216294 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile I've finally finished the autotagger -- now the talking thing can learn words from any amount of logs I pass to it
< 1613095595 975218 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but logs of this channel require a bit of cleaning because there are messages with code, regexes, xml, etc.
< 1613095678 651545 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the autotagging has 72% accuracy that means there is 28% of potentially grammarly incorrect text pieces
< 1613095862 915505 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now need to implement the IRC client and something to make responses respect the context
< 1613095900 839882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with IRC bridges that's most annoying is how they (at least on the IRC side) make all comments from the other side look like they're coming from the same person. (I'm on one bridged channel, with maybe an 80%/20% split in terms of comments in favour of IRC.)
< 1613095981 443317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discord has many advantages over IRC, such as storing history on the server side, so you don't have to stay constantly connected, and supporting voice.
< 1613095992 15620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being easy for people who just want to chat to use.
< 1613096004 325079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta recognize those advantages even if you don't like Discord.
< 1613096037 342632 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be better if the bridge is integrated with IRC server somehow so the PRIVMSG would be not from a bot but from a original nickname in another chat
< 1613096055 731528 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storing history on the server side is a feature of the implementation, not the protocol. It would be possible for a IRC server to do this too.
< 1613096067 523281 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is just that, most don't.)
< 1613096075 175936 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that one's IRC client won't crash if he gets the PRIVMSG to the channel from the person that isn't here)
< 1613096162 811860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, it's a feature of the protocol, surely?
< 1613096180 542689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ask the server to search history and to fetch particular parts incrementally and things like that.
< 1613096181 829424 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :history does not have to be stored in the server, because: 1. it's a commercial project and they are profiting from integration with Twitch to sell lootboxes -- they don't give any fuck about preserving your history and will delete or corrupt it in any moment
< 1613096199 168499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nothing stops you from storing history locally too.
< 1613096230 332287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying, you gotta recognize the benefits, rather than calling people gamers who don't have a clue in software.
< 1613096241 686584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be https://twitter.com/1990slinuxuser
< 1613096250 45323 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. because it's basically not a secure practice to store history without making the chat owner implicitly enable it -- I don't need my logs to be synced to undetermined amount of machines
< 1613096286 180344 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The Discord protocol may have commands to access the history, unlike IRC, but that doesn't mean a IRC server can't do that. The logs could be available in a HTTP or Gopher server, and/or the IRC server could provide an extension command to access the logs.
< 1613096289 301609 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you are just triggered
< 1613096302 676520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but the things you're describing are certainly part of the protocol.
< 1613096314 507352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it goes over Gopher or whatever. A regular IRC client won't know to do this.
< 1613096322 140561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Discord supports longer messages, and also images.
< 1613096327 784556 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens to gamers when they hear something they didn't realise and that is critical towards the services they use
< 1613096360 522802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you've got it in one.
< 1613096375 156595 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRC server could also easily increase the maximum message length. (If it is long enough, you could post images using a data: URI. I have actually seen this once, although the image was split across several consecutive messages.)
< 1613096393 410973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just lying when I said I object to things about Discord. What I meant to say is that it's perfect.
< 1613096399 386675 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no need in images in the text chat
< 1613096422 428243 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I mostly agree. (And in the few cases that you do need images, usually you can just post a URL.)
< 1613096484 195580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you quite sure "triggering" isn't what happens when IRC people hear the slightest nonnegative opinions about a thing they hate? Because I can't exactly tell the difference.
< 1613096508 668266 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is true, a regular IRC client won't know how to access logs over Gopher or HTTP, but it could be mentioned in the server's HELP file (and the MOTD could mention it too). Even this IRC has the URLs of logs in the TOPIC message (even though it is client-side logging).
< 1613096551 104330 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is "Discord has many advantages over IRC" nonnegative?
< 1613096564 765068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying it's negative, then? 
< 1613096581 453082 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chats with images, server side logs and voice communications existed before Discord -- for example Skype
< 1613096607 207568 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these tools are just for different purposes and one can't have "advantages over" another one
< 1613096628 805233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very confused about what I was interpreted as saying.
< 1613096637 798631 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is for communication, Discord is for memes and noisy voice chat rooms
< 1613096748 606546 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if the channel is public, then it should be OK to save the logs. If the channel is private, then they might not want logs saved.
< 1613096842 230873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just sounds like nonsense. Even without ever using it myself, I'm pretty sure there's some amount of people using it for what's unquestionably "communication" instead of "memes" and "noisy voice chat rooms", just based on what I've heard from people I can't imagine would have any reason to mislead.
< 1613096861 42881 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only bad side of Slack btw -- once the Team owner buys the "premium plan" it can read all chats
< 1613096878 102397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've no idea how big a fraction that is of their total user base, and since I don't know anything about it, I don't think I care to argue about it particularly much.)
< 1613096895 956198 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, people do use Discord for communication, but IRC is better; for one thing, it can be used without specialized software.
< 1613096935 107507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, depends on the kind of communications being made. For some things, email, NNTP, etc may be better.)
< 1613096964 643940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sounds to me like you're a gamer and you heard something you didn't like.
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< 1613097027 302580 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other people prefer Matrix over IRC, and bridges between Matrix and IRC do exist.)
< 1613097052 116029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't like Matrix/IRC bridges.
< 1613097066 642218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC doesn't support the same features, and the bridges compensate for that by writing annoying text.
< 1613097067 793828 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie the thing is that taking all kinds of people who are using Discord I meet in internet 99% of them just didn't hear about IRC, 99,9% never used IRC, 90% didn't hear about Teamspeak, most of them didn't really try to use other services to collectively share screen or use webcam -- Discord users are mostly just those who didn't know about
< 1613097068 48513 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software that already existed
< 1613097068 48561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've heard you can't argue with success, and the fact this IRC/Discord thing has been the longest "conversation" (if you want to call it that) in a long while says something about the success of this particular channel in particular, which I (from looking at netsplit.de charts) suspect is more widely applicable than that.
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< 1613097115 469062 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how impractical things become popular -- you just need to put enough advertising in it; IRC isn't monetized by default while Discord is -- they made it to integrate games, twitch and stuff
< 1613097186 735208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's quite interesting how freenode's been a lot more resistant, though. Truly this is the Rivendell of IRC networks. Or is it Lorien? Anyway.
< 1613097346 964188 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amount of talk about anything does not mean that it is cool
< 1613097348 137028 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a server that supports multiple protocols for the same messages or files is possible. Features that one doesn't have, other one might have, although extensions are possible, if the protocol supports that. There are different kind of communication, so you would only use the protocols for those kind of communication.
< 1613097401 275629 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some features that some users (or administrator) might just not want.
< 1613097722 391739 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like NNTP?
< 1613098032 943527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the Usenet network in the abstract (or did back when I still partook of it). I don't have much of an opinion on the protocol. I got the impression it had some slightly obscure things around how control messages are treated? And I also heard that one specific server was hard to administer, but that's an implementation detail.
< 1613098051 833612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :INN, right.
< 1613098159 212779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like TCP?
< 1613098164 874752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran a very small NNTP-based network for a small group, but not sure with what. Definitely used Leafnode at some point as a local caching/batching thing for newsreading.
< 1613098228 435243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our university's local NNTP newsgroups had a group called "-h" for the CS students (all the other groups were under a more conventional hierarchy of groups), and I don't think I ever found out why it was named like that.
< 1613098265 267034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the group where the script you ran when someone left their screen unlocked and their account logged in posted the message to.
< 1613098267 651791 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought so too (and INN also does a lot more than I need), so I wrote my own implementation, which stores the messages in a SQLite database. (Some things are not currently implemented, but should be in future, such as authentication, and full support for copying messages between servers (it might be a separate program, which may be set up in cron or anacron).)
< 1613098325 620136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should've archived those newsgroups, wonder why I never thought of that. They're gone now.
< 1613098381 341505 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in future, alternative interfaces (also as separate programs) with the same database, might also be implemented. Other people can help with that if wanted, I suppose.)
< 1613098382 843069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like they probably weren't accessible from outside the university or student campus networks either.
< 1613098544 386864 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you remember what was written on those newsgroups?
> 1613098635 558648 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80691&oldid=80659 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+152) 10/* Digital root */
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< 1613099111 241323 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry for being a bit edgy
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< 1613099266 96049 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy Chinese New Year / Lunar New Year
< 1613100068 215934 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I might make Chinese cookies
< 1613100218 781942 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any rule in English that adjective can't go before the pronoun? like "additional horse" is ok, "it runs" is ok, "horse runs" is ok, but "additional it" isn't ok
< 1613100241 568760 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoped to see it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoun but no
< 1613100557 674758 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, https://ell.stackexchange.com/q/116505/33819
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< 1613116860 699299 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confused Maze {?} World Tribal Enchantment - Wall ;; Objects enter the battlefield tapped.
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< 1613153514 770076 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how it can be hard to find the sockets on the back of monitor, because monitors are heavy and big so you can't easily rotate them to see those sockets, right? and you know who the typical TFT monitor is shaped like an elognated letter D, with the flat side facing the viewer and the curved side on the back getting ventillation? and how a HDMI connector is also shaped like an elognated letter D? 
< 1613153520 773231 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be such a great mnemonic if the HDMI socket were placed on the monitor such that the flat side faces towards the viewer, but no! it's backwards, at least on some monitors. WHY? why do they design such a connector then mess up the mnemonic?
< 1613153554 129690 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI isn't even the first digital monitor port, that's DVI, so by the time HDMI was invented they'd have had experience to know all this.
< 1613153756 829650 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re your public files, are "gopher://zzo38computer.org/" and "http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/" the only roots? I don't promise anything because I have a backlog of useful websites that I should download, but neither "http://zzo38computer.org/" nor the gopher root seems to link to the fossil directory, so there might be more roots that I missed
< 1613154104 841424 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, Nintendo's new Mario game has this schtick where every enemy is turned to a cat by adding cat ears and sometimes a cat tail: it has cat goombas, cat koopas, cat piranha plants, catfish etc. So now I wonder: does unicode have a combining cat ears character, so that we can represent a multiocular o with cat ears in unicode text?
< 1613154675 565839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the HDMI mnemonic, I wonder if that's just things like the HDMI connector they got sourced the cheapest being oriented a given way in terms of the PCB it's mounted to, and there being some practical reason where that board's in.
< 1613154712 427716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is annoying. I usually try to feel for those sockets, but my fingertips aren't good enough to really tell the orientation, especially when it's hard to reach in the first place.
> 1613154823 715430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80698&oldid=80697 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+174) 10/* Introductions */
< 1613154872 629626 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, the female socket in the monitor is completely sunken into the housing, just like with USB, so you can't feel it, you can only feel the cutout on the plastic cover, which doesn't help enough
> 1613154897 732369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pewlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80699 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+902) 10Created page with "Pewlang is an [[esoteric programming language]], that translates to [[brainfuck]]. It was mostly inspired by [[Z]] and was made as a joke in the [https://pewpew.live/discord P..."
> 1613155048 310090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80700&oldid=80698 5* 03Tasty Kiwi 5* (+203) 10
> 1613155213 492797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tasty Kiwi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80701 5* 03Tasty Kiwi 5* (+80) 10Created page with "I am one of the creators of [[Pewlang]]. I like coding in Python and JavaScript."
> 1613155234 634866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80702&oldid=79895 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+141) 10/* Example Members of the TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution family */
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< 1613155877 457105 :LKoen!~LKoen@252.248.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
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> 1613160993 466783 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pewlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80703&oldid=80699 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (+3042) 10
< 1613161154 129010 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The files in the gopher are dynamic; only the URLs starting with "gopher://zzo38computer.org/1textfile/" are not dynamic. For the Fossil repositories, you must use the Fossil protocol to clone them; simply downloading the file won't work.
< 1613161217 759506 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, then let's say "gopher://zzo38computer.org/1textfile/" is one of the roots
< 1613161243 162496 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I can clone from the fossil repositories (could pull from some of them some years ago at least)
< 1613161311 838952 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://zzo38computer.org/" should probably link to the fossil directory, and to "http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/" which mirrors the gopher
< 1613161401 723805 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I will fix that later. Right now I will shower and eat, and then I can find if there are other files that should be, and fix that.
> 1613161628 377829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pewlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80704&oldid=80703 5* 03SKPG-Tech 5* (-35) 10
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> 1613167385 656490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Shimakaze-Kan 5*  10New user account
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> 1613168030 305606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pancake Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80706&oldid=80478 5* 03Shimakaze-Kan 5* (+131) 10Added IDE link
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< 1613172180 207448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some other files, and there is also other things such as the NNTP service; maybe I should add some way to make backups remotely in a way which only copies changed files and can easily be extended for use with multiple types of realms (ordinary files, collections of artifacts referenced by hashes (e.g. Fossil repositories), netnews articles, etc).
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< 1613172741 157372 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if rsync supports such extensions)
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< 1613173743 755902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use zsync for publicly available backups of the wiki contents, but I'm not sure it's really worth the hassle. I think it's mostly intended to do what rsync would do (download only changed blocks) even when the file is served from a "dumb" HTTP server, as long as it supports range requests. And I don't think it easily extends to other kinds of data.
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< 1613174792 801729 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, apparently zsync uses a file called .zsync to control it; I will read the documentation to see how suitable it is.
< 1613174898 8581 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, what I have, I think that what is helpful is each "realm" has its own timestamp, and may be by name (ordinary files and NNTP) or by hash (Fossil repositories). By hash is always immutable; by name can be mutable (ordinary files) or immutable (NNTP).
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< 1613175546 39140 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a backup protocol that does that?
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< 1613176771 784335 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think .zsync files are probably not suitable for my use.
< 1613176828 71579 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also do not see documentation about the zsync file format, anyways.)
< 1613177039 21664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I haven't seen it documented either. There's a page that explains what it's made of conceptually -- http://zsync.moria.org.uk/paper200503/ -- but doesn't bother to describe the exact file format. But you're right that it's probably not really designed to be extensible.
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> 1613177207 199090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chatlog14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80707&oldid=80689 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+57) 10Move cats to bottom; add some too
> 1613177296 645328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80708&oldid=80670 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* C */ Add [[Chatlog]]
> 1613177392 334294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80709&oldid=80708 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* P */ Add [[Pewlang]]
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< 1613180485 104307 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monitors should just have feel-able markings in the shape of H D M I
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< 1613180501 746031 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can tell which one is the HDMI port
> 1613180945 492709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Divrac14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80710 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2287) 10Make language
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< 1613193720 546719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone made a spacesort analogous to sleepsort that just puts stuff into a large array?
< 1613194620 778453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2018&gist=581dc6e3ac2423bf0b82105cb731faf9
< 1613195144 437225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sort of thing is sometimes called "bucket sort" or other names.
< 1613195306 714276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"counting sort" was what I meant, I think.
< 1613195335 111079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radix sort often uses this kind of thing.
< 1613195470 551343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a legitimate use???
< 1613195509 976198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I was thinking that since I was trying to tamper with the obviously esoteric sleepsort, the corresponding wasteful of space would also be esoteric
< 1613195524 56042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if there's a small number of values.
< 1613195756 404487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a linear-time sorting algorithm.
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< 1613200360 954008 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is sleepsort working?
< 1613200703 483395 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a television show, for a few seconds it showed a different television show for a few seconds; it displayed two overlapping station indicators. And then, it switched back to the correct show, and then a few seconds after that, it was interrupted again, for less than one second I saw a message that said "Press any key to watch TV".
< 1613200736 460738 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is a message and font style which are not applicable to any of the equipment I have.)
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> 1613207660 597398 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80712&oldid=80685 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-74) 10Now DNA-code outputs codons equiprobably.
< 1613207677 995654 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-246-80.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found an old programming game / artificial life that seems to have dropped off the internet and made it available again https://corewar.co.uk/biomass/biomass.html
< 1613207736 287343 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-152-246-80.range86-152.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The images are missing, but I'll recreate those if I manage to compile to code with X11 display.
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< 1613218304 586235 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can also upload public files to archive.org
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< 1613223575 869089 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.2.1.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot do you integrate by parts or you’d better divide and conquer?
< 1613223576 214652 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: mr president, the commission communication on sustainable aquaculture, you may ask. in 1848, during the debate on the fayot report because it is difficult for me to respond other than in exceptional cases. the globalisation of democracy. science is obviously an issue, as in the countries of the european union
< 1613223595 290544 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.2.1.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha government talk
< 1613223622 894357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Science is obviously an issue."
< 1613223634 515951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you one of those anti-science folks? 
< 1613223634 841949 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ladies and gentlemen, that i am not in a position to take action. mr stevenson also raises the problem of organized crime. this convention is accompanied by a deadline so that we can only welcome the fact that we are spending european money to solve their own problems on to europe.
> 1613223661 11395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pewlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80716&oldid=80715 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+169) 10/* Examples */ cats
< 1613223683 411787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can all appreciate the fact fungot is not in any sort of position to take action.
< 1613223683 566371 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: commissioner, you stated that responsibility for the tasks that will face those two countries.
< 1613223774 978955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bring an end
< 1613223775 796149 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :429) <fungot> fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all.
> 1613223863 318114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80717&oldid=80664 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+46) 10/* Languages */ +[[Divrac]]
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< 1613226980 971982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-186-43.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot
< 1613226981 385494 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mr president, thanks in particular to mr john fnord and the continuation of the bombing of serbia can stop. the eldr resolution is quite clear that the game is over, to visit kaliningrad. i salute the progress which is well represented by the euro very quickly in setting up a european food authority
< 1613226981 779306 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) <fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 13) <fizzie after embedding some of his department research into fungot> Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 14) <fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 56) <fungot> i am sad ( of course
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< 1613227567 510987 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that war has ended for good, thank god
< 1613227568 107946 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, mr churchill, who i hope will soon be time for decisions to be monopolized by a small �lite. one might even imagine cases where codecision or majority voting in environmental matters. this requires careful supervision, as we all know this is not exactly encouraging either and detracts from the fact that the replacement fats are safe? one final point on the jobs of 2 000 observers will be placed on an aspe
< 1613227590 992766 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"codecision"? nice
< 1613227628 610089 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be some linear logic thing
> 1613228364 240445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FROM HERE TO THERE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80718&oldid=78837 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10/* Create a variable, initialize it to 7, set it to 19, increment it, then divide it by 4 and print its value */ Shorten titlie
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< 1613231771 412275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: "Placed on an aspe"? Is that some sort of woodworking tool, like an adze? 
< 1613231771 874244 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would like to reiterate my previous remarks demonstrate that to me seems obvious, but which wish to ignore the historical fact that one country has won three world wars. the issue is one of the following: ‘to draw up and maintain a list of themes, but it has been said by mr smith, i am concerned about the content of several of the speeches this morning and i have had this afternoon.
< 1613232374 403136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we had only had two of those world wars so far.
< 1613232673 152263 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, the 3rd was the Cold War
< 1613232678 571929 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we are inside World War IV
< 1613232682 442146 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also knwon as Information War
< 1613232904 898182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard something about World War Z, was that also one of them? 
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< 1613233931 247256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepsort is actually just another sorting algorithm in disguise, usually heapsort
< 1613233941 488564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're basically just delegating the task of actually sorting onto the OS scheduler
< 1613233969 167327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heapsort isn't a horrible algorithm, although it is really confusing
< 1613233995 540112 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just moves things around quite a bit
< 1613234013 844701 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the memory access patterns aren't too cache-friendly
< 1613234107 23237 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, what you have is not the usual heapsort; you're just managing the data in a priority queue (usually a heap structure)
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< 1613234146 81924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"put everything into a priority queue and take it back out again" is heapsort by definition, assuming that the priority queue is implemented as a heap
< 1613234159 804699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I agree that heapsort is more often done in-place
< 1613234193 296972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to my mind the term "heapsort" is tied to a particular binary heap implemented in place
< 1613234394 113172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's apparently possible to create a heap by inserting an array into it in O(n) time
< 1613234404 73323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, inserting an array into an empty heap
< 1613234413 472732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is faster than inserting the elements into it one at a time, which would be O(n log n)
< 1613234421 854058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1613234432 393887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, there's no way to speed up the "extract in sorted order" part of the algorithm, which is n log n regardless
< 1613234504 401592 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the trick of moving everything up and then correcting the heap from below which saves comparisons on average... maybe Knuth analyses this? I forgot where I have this from.
< 1613234558 950605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's n log n, but it had a smaller constant factor in the average case)
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< 1613235043 315730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crosses my mind that an intrusive heap might potentially be useful
< 1613235069 996196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably implemented as an array of pointers to elements, and a index in each element pointing back to the appropriate element of the array
< 1613235094 35411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, the elements could automatically find themselves in the heap so that they could be deleted, move themselves when their keys were modified, etc.
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< 1613238046 21237 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know of any software using genetic programming or similar to reduce code size for golfing? I think I had one or two bookmarks but they got lost.
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< 1613238169 347974 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly thinking stack-based ones, because I tend to use too many dup's and swaps and whatnot
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< 1613240812 303976 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :hendursaga: some of the superoptimization techniques could be applicable maybe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoptimization
< 1613240884 354684 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a link but I remember a paper about a system that would guess at new peephole optimizations, test them against a bunch of random inputs, and the ones that passed those tests were sent to a SAT solver for an exhaustive proof that they are meaning-preserving
< 1613240939 806489 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could do something similar
< 1613241128 699637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember someone giving a talk about something like that in the context of Ethereum smart contracts, where there's a very measurable cost in the "gas" that's needed to run them.
< 1613241951 571553 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, makes sense
< 1613241955 457281 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :good application
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< 1613243324 359935 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, I recall looking at a superoptimizer recently
< 1613243526 966228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried writing a superoptimizer by implementing a subset of x86 in z3 syntax
< 1613243530 299353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't get that far
< 1613243579 438138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://github.com/zwegner/x86-sat seems neat.
< 1613243673 981077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, although that isn't quite the same as what I was working on
< 1613243693 331253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was attempting to optimise it for SAT search, so that an exists-forall search would find a sequence of instructions that implemented some specific algorithm
< 1613243721 467346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems tough.
< 1613243749 522813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably why I didn't get very far
< 1613243898 992107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack4.org/pastebin/z386.smt2 if you're interested
< 1613243925 872843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't have a good UI yet, or indeed any real UI)
< 1613244033 501351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing SMTLIB2 directly? Courageous.
< 1613244131 355676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a generator may well have been harder
< 1613244176 678785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish SMT solvers standardized on an API rather than just S-expressions.
< 1613244185 807915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define-fun` makes this sane
< 1613244186 566459 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :define-fun`? No such file or directory
< 1613244211 956829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s-expressions *are* the API
< 1613244213 187562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I keep forgetting to mask `
< 1613244231 541899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean an API that doesn't involve parsing.
< 1613244239 59472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, requiring the parser to be an exact subset of Common Lisp's was probably a mistake
< 1613244245 479071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have to pretty-print it :P
< 1613244249 110646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably less important when you give the solver one big instance rather than manny small instances.
< 1613244273 101632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't disagree...
< 1613244304 662858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but that z386.smt2 example is not the reason why a standard API would be helpful
< 1613244329 199695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not.
< 1613244347 35873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better example would be, say, integrating smt solving into a compiler for eliminating bounds checks
< 1613244364 87787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you'll have many, often small problems
< 1613244448 89121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1613244469 588464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that actually require SMT solving in most cases?
< 1613244486 108585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracking integer ranges will get rid of most of them in a purely compositional way
< 1613244503 126348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, in that case, you'd probably want the SMT solver to work on the compiler's IR directly)
< 1613244730 201834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: strength reduction (to reduce the number of variables) and simple interval/offset/stride amalysis will get you quite far I suppose.
< 1613244758 682616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strength reduction doesn't reduce the number of variables, does it?
< 1613244796 509229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I was also thinking about range analysis in another context: code which evaluates the exact expression that the user specified, without rounding intermediate results
< 1613244804 175263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of "intermediate results are bignums" way of writing languages
< 1613244843 522100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would remove entire categories of security vulnerabilities, generally make code much more readable, and with good range analysis might be no more inefficient than the original
< 1613244880 894104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, some programs keep their integers in range with an analysis of the form "this program won't be running long enough for this counter to overflow" and I think there should be some way to formalise that
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< 1613244997 980100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice for a program to say "you're trying to make me operate on a 860MiB file, but this program will have an integer overflow if operating on a file larger than 750MiB so I won't even try", and for those bounds to be automatically calculated by the compiler
< 1613245005 815995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than getting most of the way through and then failing
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< 1613246638 787632 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do something like that, but not intrusively: a binary heap implemented as a normal array, and a dictionary of the same elements keyed on a different key, and each element in the dictionary has the index of the corresponding element in the implementation of the heap, and I update the index every time I move elements in the heap (whether up or down). this way you can find an element in the heap 
< 1613246644 794276 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :any time and increase its weight to move it later. it helps with a traditional priority queue for timers too, where you often want to postpone timers or forget them entirely.
< 1613246977 134199 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this program will have an integer overflow if operating on a file larger than 750MiB so I won't even try" => ah yes, that bug in ffmpeg. that was for reading 2 gigabytes though, a bit less arbitrary.
< 1613247180 306805 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'some programs keep their integers in range with an analysis of the form "this program won't be running long enough for this counter to overflow"' => yes. the rule I have for that is, if you increment a counter by 1 each time only (as opposed to adding larger numbers, or incrementing many separate counters in parallel then tallying them into it), then it will never reach 2**62 plus its starting value. 
< 1613247186 313804 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, a generation counter or a reference counter is safe to keep as 64 bit long. but of course you often want an optimization that lets them be just 32 bit long, and that requires either more difficult arguments, or overflow checks every time.
< 1613247261 299138 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this applies even if you sometimes save the counter to the disk and later retrieve it from there, like in a database generation counter, again as long as you don't merge multiple counters into it with addition.
< 1613247267 567893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether binary heaps actually do better than B-trees in practice, for many of their applications.
< 1613247390 92686 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, you can usually make runtime overflow checks very cheap, if they almost never have to detect an overflow.
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< 1613247418 49269 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your program will give a cryptic error message on overflow, instead of undefined behavior
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< 1613248348 208579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> I wonder whether binary heaps actually do better than B-trees in practice, for many of their applications. ← there's such a thing as a B-heap (which is just a binary heap laid out differently in memory), that might be a fairer comparison
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< 1613248409 145685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I agree that runtime overflow detection (e.g. Rust in debug mode) is preferable to undefined behaviour or silent wrapping
< 1613248430 124719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I would prefer compile-time overflow detection, or ideally, the program just functioning as the programmer expected (the programmer's intent is normally clear)
< 1613248526 838659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, starting calloc with «if (size * nmemb > SIZE_MAX) return NULL;» doesn't actually work (and good compilers will warn about this), but it is clear what the programmer means and it shouldn't be hard to teach a compiler how to generate code for it
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< 1613248585 27152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least x86-64 has a perfectly usable 64-to-128-bit multiply instruction
< 1613248610 670829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*/(note that gcc has an intrinsic for "multiply and check for overflow", &)/
< 1613248618 877275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of my comments got eaten in the connection reset)
< 1613248655 230269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, should that be & (sed-style) or $& (perl-style)? normally the exact regex syntax doesn't matter for these s/// things, but this is a case where it does
< 1613248930 408199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :& seems fine
< 1613249142 548547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this may well amount to asking whether someone is a Perl programmer or not
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< 1613250679 768446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we were discussing alignment a while ago; I've been doing some benchmarking of various memory writing techniques recently (on a recent Intel processor), so decided to try misaligned writes
< 1613250722 448232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be slower than aligned writes when the written data is in L1 or L2 cache, but no slower when the cache line to write has to be fetched from L3 cache or beyond
< 1613250766 139404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guessing that the processor can compensate for the misalignment faster than it can evict a line from L2 cache)
< 1613250798 321359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for aligned writes, it doesn't matter whether you use a misalignment-capable writing instruction or not, the processor notices that the address is aligned
< 1613250798 856047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for misaligned access within a single cache line?
< 1613250820 488347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what CPU?
< 1613250837 379607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I tested using misaligned accesses that collectively cover memory, so some within a cache line and some crossing cache lines, but to consecutive addresses
< 1613250901 157272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a Whiskey Lake microarchitecture, it seems (I had to look it up, there are way too many different naming schemes for Intel processors)
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< 1613250906 414565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it seems interesting to check whether the slowdown is just due to touching more than one cache line
< 1613250939 11678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that interferes with linear memory access so hrm, tricky
< 1613250940 915378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's much use for misaligned writes that are guaranteed to fit within a single cache line
< 1613250951 545494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure how you'd write the test, either
< 1613250989 983343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /other/ issue with misaligned writes is that you can't bypass the caches with them and write directly to main memory (there isn't an instruction in the instruction set for it, vmovdqnt and friends work on aligned memory only)
< 1613250992 491577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, access words stuff at a... 64 byte? stride
< 1613251000 630621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vary the offset?
< 1613251017 721064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can imagine a packed structure that's 64 bytes long but where the internal fields are misaligned
< 1613251063 718240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this question isn't really motivated by practical considerations
< 1613251078 441923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, this is #esoteric after all
< 1613251096 872168 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more about having a model for the slowdown, possibly even an explanation
< 1613251107 402163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, another interesting test would be to have a loop that writes only half of each cache line
< 1613251117 584214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see whether it's faster, slower, or the same speed as a loop that writes all of it
< 1613251126 478040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you could do that with both aligned and misaligned data)
< 1613251156 380691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm. expetations... it should actually be slower?
< 1613251200 362042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might depend on the number of reads of other cache lines you're doing in parallel
< 1613251219 936440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write a whole cache line you don't have to wait for it to be fetched from higher up the memory hierarchy... or is that down?
< 1613251234 830925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which direction in memor is which
< 1613251269 727810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it wouldn't surprise me if processors couldn't map a line into cache without fetching it from the next-larger cache
< 1613251338 354646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it's an interesting experiment.
< 1613251340 922193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I saw some discussion of this on Twitter recently. Let me see if I can find it.
< 1613251354 68680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefetchw, which prepares a line for writing, is documented as reading the line into cache and taking an exclusive lock on it
< 1613251397 902754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! that's probably why vmovdqnt seems to be almost exactly twice as fast as vmovdqa for writing main memory
< 1613251402 960393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was this thread: https://twitter.com/trav_downs/status/1358288656188854272
< 1613251410 930585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's talking about AMD, and I think there was something about Intel too.
< 1613251435 121705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet vmovdqa has to read the line and then write it, whereas vmovdqnt doesn't have to read it at all
< 1613251453 363036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't bet very much, because I'm not that sure
< 1613251693 263696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another thing I discovered is that the number of bytes you write at a time speeds up accesses to L1 and L2 but not beyond
< 1613251703 468366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually I only tested L2, but with L1 it's kind-of obvious)
< 1613251750 278839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't surprising, the L2/L3 bottleneck is one of the most common limiting factors on a program's speed
< 1613252025 349013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, did you know there's a simple trick for making a queue that support insert, remove, and monoidal product in amortized constant time?
< 1613252043 456453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a variant of the two-stack queue trick.
< 1613252053 600415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the product defined?
< 1613252061 892068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :appending one queue to another?
< 1613252102 431476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean product of the contents, sorry.
< 1613252129 626296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure I grasp what the definition is
< 1613252175 803761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you can ask for the maximum of the elements currently in the queue.
< 1613252190 520732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, basically a fold over the entire queue
< 1613252195 621839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1613252239 235402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just implement that by draining the entire queue and calculating the product as you go, amortizing it against the time spent to insert?
< 1613252258 636442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, is this nondestructive?
< 1613252267 525441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I can see how it might be doable but it's nontrivial
< 1613252279 540091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean?
< 1613252296 138728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can ask for the product without removing elements, if that's what you mean.
< 1613252312 795571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1613252312 847841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you can use this to calculate sliding window products over an input list.
< 1613252408 190451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it involves some sort of cache of partial results for sections of the queue; alongside each element, you have a number of elements later than it for which the monoidal product has been calculated (maybe 0), and the value of the product over that many elements
< 1613252451 59022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% sure this algorithm works, but if it's wrong it sounds fixable
< 1613252452 806174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( data FingerQueue a = Empty | One a | Nest a (FingerQueue (a,a)) a )
< 1613252456 75215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I suppose it does have that property, but I think it's much simpler than what you're thinking.
< 1613252483 307668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, you need digits too
< 1613252497 308952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is like a two-stack queue, except the out-stack contains running products instead of values.
< 1613252521 816029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you might store ([abc,bc,c],[f,e,d],def)
< 1613252546 125358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( data FingerQueue a = Empty | OneTwo (Digit a) | Nest (Digit a) (FingerQueue (a,a)) (Digit a); data Digit a = One a | Two a a 
< 1613252549 149893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1613252556 643986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "def" is the product of the entire in-stack.)
< 1613252569 101806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the out-stack is empty, you compute running products of the in-stack into it.
< 1613252571 946684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see, the product of the in-stack is calculated twice
< 1613252580 800024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't affect the constant-time nature
< 1613252586 139786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's calculated exactly twice and 2 is a constant
< 1613252597 315582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1613252622 217712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also represent it with a regular mutable queue with a separator between products and values: [abc,bc,c|d,e,f] def
< 1613252658 42840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like a useful data structure
< 1613252668 823022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not immediately clear on what you'd use it for
< 1613252705 609216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a way to make it work for random access (think a database table where you can add and remove rows in any order, and always want to know the maximum value of a particular column)
< 1613252705 990160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original context I wanted it for was computing maximums of windows of an array.
< 1613252729 763606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for that case there's a more specialized algorithm which I think is more efficient.
< 1613253094 401444 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also, for aligned writes, it doesn't matter whether you use a misalignment-capable writing instruction or not, the processor notices that the address is aligned" => yes, the manual explicitly says that there's no performance difference anymore between the aligned and non-aligned instruction on newer cpus, nor between the integer vector bitwise and floating point vector bitwise instructions, they're 
< 1613253100 618656 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just separate because they had different performance on older cpus
< 1613253234 418178 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that misaligned access only has performance penalties if it's from different cache lines (or possibly if you're trying to write then very quickly read from an overlapping address, but that's not really an alignment trouble, it's just missing the optimization where quickly reading the same thing that you wrote can bypass even the L1 cache)
< 1613253241 512215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, following multiple links from shachaf's linked twitter thread, I found a Microsoft blog post that uses Intel syntax and the "movabs" instruction
< 1613253241 608185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads me to think that x86 assembler syntax actually isn't properly standardised at all
< 1613253241 712808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both AMD and Intel call the instruction in question "mov", I think "movabs" is a gcc/gas thing)
< 1613253264 273315 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is a Whiskey Lake microarchitecture" => what ... is hat a real architecture name? they have the weirdest names these days
< 1613253307 857209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's other weirdness, like "xorps / movdqu" as a method of zeroing memory (I believe that both AMD and Intel have processors on which xorps / movups would be equivalent and faster with no downsides)
< 1613253335 224899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, wait
< 1613253340 139032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xorps is one of those weird exceptions
< 1613253365 737489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is treated as an int instruction by some processors and a float instruction by others
< 1613253383 858061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole movdqu/movups distinction is one of the weirdest bits of x86 as it is
< 1613253452 820170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think even some very recent processors have a latency (but not throughput) penalty if you access the same register with both an int instruction and a float instruction in consecutive cycles
< 1613253476 460451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being, they don't agree on whether xorps is an int or a float instruction, so there's no way to get a guaranteed match between it and another instruction
< 1613253597 747476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can work around the issue by using pxor, but that's one byte longer if targeting an xmm register with a source for which any registers involved are numbered in the range 0-7
< 1613253629 382286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm
< 1613253639 392781 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> I'm not sure there's much use for misaligned writes that are guaranteed to fit within a single cache line" => there used to be one somewhat rare but important use, for when you want to shift a vector register by a variable number of bytes, and to do that, you do a maybe-unaligned read to get an index vector, then use that index vector with the PBLENDB or newer shuffle instruction. maybe the 
< 1613253643 42641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pxor and vpxor actually have different rules for this, just to make things even more complex
< 1613253645 414041 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :specific use case is obsolete with some later instructions, but I think something similar still exists. 
< 1613253676 641280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses a misaligned *read*
< 1613253680 850819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is still useful I think
< 1613253695 739082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writes are less obviously useful
< 1613253697 547232 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's not for shifting bytes, where you don't need this too much, but something similar.
< 1613253713 189199 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry, that's stupid, it's probably not actually a use case, ignore it
< 1613253721 18992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially because the normal advice for small copies where the relative distance between source and destination is misaligned is "read misaligned, write aligned")
< 1613253773 119799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on a program over the last few days where I have an infinitely repeating PSHUFB pattern but the repeat length is an odd number
< 1613253789 211321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have the choice of making 32 copies of it so that I can read it aligned at any position, or of reading misaligned
< 1613253814 925397 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<int-e> it's more about having a model for the slowdown, possibly even an explanation" => the L1 cache caches memory in 64-byte chunks called cache lines. if you're writing misaligned data, the L1 cache has to work harder because it has to update two of these, and also possibly communicate more with the L2 cache if the lines aren't yet in the L1 cache. isn't that enough of a mental model?
< 1613253858 898422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think int-e thinks that that's a possible explanation of the slowdown but doesn't know whether it's the *correct* model or not, and wants to find some way to establish whether or not it is
< 1613253875 108677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1613253886 78566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been established that *page*-misaligned memory accesses are slow because you need to access the TLB twice, but that's a very rare case
< 1613253946 69748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm off for tonight though, have fun!
< 1613254057 235998 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<shachaf> By the way, did you know there's a simple trick for making a queue that support insert, remove, and monoidal product in amortized constant time?" => there's a heavyweight trick for that: use a finger tree, but in each node, cache the fold of the leaves descending from it. there's probably a much better way if you want just a queue. This is more useful for the general case, when you want a 
< 1613254063 244439 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence that you can cut and paste anywhere and want to be able to get the product of keys in any subsequence. 
< 1613254067 632059 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/subsequence/range/
< 1613254107 803167 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similarly for an ordered keyed dictionary where you want to be able to compute the fold of a weight (secondary key) field for any range
< 1613254133 472469 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a structure that you can insert to, remove from, and answers questions like "what is the sum of weights of items with key between x and y"
< 1613254168 951401 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible that this doesn't actually give you amortized constant time, only amortized logarithmic time
< 1613254262 414345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was trying to work out if it's always possible to keep the tree balanced in amortized constant time, but it is, you can use any of the normal tricks for self-balancing trees and just recalculate the cache value of the modified nodes at every tree rotation
< 1613254322 414656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think you can keep B-trees balanced in amortized constant time, but not if you have folds in the internal nodes.
< 1613254332 800786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, for invertible structures like sums, there are often much cheaper algorithms (e.g. if you want to know the sum of elements in a queue, just track the sum and add to it on push, subtract from it on shift)
< 1613254334 261419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then you need to ascend up the spine on every mutation.
< 1613254350 283776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, invertibility makes it much easier.
< 1613254399 265338 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<shachaf> The original context I wanted it for was computing maximums of windows of an array." => ah yes, that might be related to one of my favorite algorithmic problems, one I've already mentioned here: you get a list of machine word sized nonnegative integers, find the infix in it to maximize the product of the length of that infix and the minimum of its values
< 1613254445 481567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if it's possible to make a sort of heap where the heap property is updated only lazily, and if this might be amortized-faster than more regular implementations
< 1613254498 15071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which thing could be faster?
< 1613254503 252737 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> b_jonas: I think even some very recent processors have a latency (but not throughput) penalty if you access the same register with both an int instruction and a float instruction in consecutive cycles" => even if they're the same vector size?
< 1613254517 338022 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this on intel or AMD?
< 1613254579 988528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: both companies have seen that behaviour at various points in time, I forget which one it is which has it on recent processors, let me look it up
< 1613254636 734782 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you're trying to use xorps for zeroing a register, I think all cpus except very old ones have optimizations specifically for zeroing registers, both general and vector, and these might make the ordinary problem of integer vs float instructions moot. but maybe that's not what you want the xorps for.
< 1613254728 909666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Intel Skylake+ has some such delays, but only for rare combinations like integer logical operation → floating-point multiply, they don't trigger on things like moves; AMD Zen 3 has a 1-cycle delay for any sort of mismatch
< 1613254741 962773 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, you want specifically misaligned *write* guaranteed within a cache line only. yeah, I don't know a good case for that.
< 1613254747 346342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's the most recent architecture family for both Intel and AMD
< 1613254849 335124 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<shachaf> Because then you need to ascend up the spine on every mutation." => no, not if you use a balanced tree optimized for persistent (no mutating in place) access
< 1613254869 442979 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's a queue, inserting only at the ends, that can help
< 1613254935 976197 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re integer and float vector penalties, I see. 
< 1613254952 86175 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AMD Zen isn't the low power notebook family, right?
< 1613254967 847989 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's any sort of mismatch, that is serious
< 1613254991 339566 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's just certain floating point multiplies, that sounds less of a problem
< 1613255122 266029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zen is the super-high performance family
< 1613255143 249618 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1613255165 942463 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned something new then
< 1613255170 872577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a latency penalty, not throughput, so I'm guessing that the issue is that there are integer vectors and floating point vectors on different physical parts of the chip
< 1613255195 545901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an xor is cheap enough that having two separate xor units is probably cheaper than finding the wires to quickly move data from one end of the chip to the other
< 1613255234 214290 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but a latency penalty often translates to a throughput penalty, because if you try to solve it, you run into a decoder bottleneck, even on AMD
< 1613255239 267524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this said, I'm rather confused at why all these floating-point logical operations exist at all, xor'ing floats is not the sort of thing that's particularly mathematically meaningful
< 1613255252 131466 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they exist for conditionals mostly
< 1613255260 45314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1613255264 83150 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for negation and for ldexp and frexp
< 1613255273 142181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the all-1s "floating point" value as a boolean true
< 1613255274 696011 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :negation isn't too important, you can use subtraction for that
< 1613255290 672322 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ldexp and frexp and safe conversion to and from integers does have to involve them
< 1613255292 311487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all-1s +infinity, or is it a NaN?
< 1613255294 77564 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly it's comparisons
< 1613255312 311365 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the floating point comparison instructions before AVX512 give floating point result in the performance sense
< 1613255324 248833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: compilers compile -x on floating point x to an xor with a sign-bit constant
< 1613255343 85338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtraction from 0 actually gives different results (related to negative versus positive zero and the sign bit on NaNs)
< 1613255349 650532 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, you have to subtract from -0
< 1613255356 757033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course
< 1613255361 927320 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because -0 is the additive unit of floating point, not 0
< 1613255364 923155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still has a different effect on the sign bit of NaNs
< 1613255365 601604 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always -0
< 1613255391 872417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, subtraction from -0 is no more efficient than xor with the sign-bit number
< 1613255399 419471 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a different effect on NaNs, but compilers in general don't give good enough tools to handle NaNs deterministically:
< 1613255407 474231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually… is the sign bit number -0 when interpreted as a float?
< 1613255429 584313 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't force a compiler to not swap the operands of a floating point addition without inline assembly
< 1613255432 671296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("%g", 0x8000000000000000L);
< 1613255436 584133 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1613255447 969579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks suspiciously like a negative zero to me
< 1613255458 286350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make sense, as it's just 0 with the sign bit flipped
< 1613255471 870442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess the question is "xor with -0 or subtract from -0?"
< 1613255486 609452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point xor and subtraction are equally fast, xor might use less power though?
< 1613255516 507960 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my guess is that compilers (usually) compile negation that way because it's less likely that you run out of execution units that do floating point addition, which can in rare cases be a bottleneck in numeric code, like in matrix multiplication AI nonsense, if it's hyperoptimized, and otherwise the difference doesn't matter
< 1613255554 31968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that might be the case on old processors
< 1613255564 79448 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean on recent Intel cpus
< 1613255571 503684 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a difference that doesn't come up often, I admit
< 1613255573 455121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in modern processors, floating point adds can be done on any vector unit, and floating point xors can't be done on a scalar unit
< 1613255581 598829 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see a reason to use subtraction instead of xor
< 1613255586 750414 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1613255589 141262 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's not true
< 1613255614 798803 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do not care about negative zero, then subtraction may be faster if you have register pressure, because loading 0 is faster. but usually you care about negative zero.
< 1613255655 995875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Coffee Lake, xorps and pxor both run on 0/1/5 (the three main ALUs), addps and addss only run on 0/1
< 1613255672 475259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so you're right, there is one vector unit that can handle floating point logic but not floating point add
< 1613255682 342232 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> I think in modern processors, floating point adds can be done on any vector unit, and floating point xors can't be done on a scalar unit" => that sounds like you're either talking about a newer microarchitecture or another brand than the ones I'm the most familiar with
< 1613255697 647956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other ALU is 6, which can do XORs but probably isn't capable of reading vector registers 
< 1613255704 672226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, I was just mistaken
< 1613255740 145804 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, is this for a vector negate, or for negating a single float?
< 1613255743 157068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a comparison, paddq runs on 0/1/5
< 1613255752 835438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: single float
< 1613255810 449077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it hardly matters, assuming you're using SSE/AVX as the FPU (which is the only sane default on x86-64), single-float and vector-float instructions are encoded and executed almost identically (the only difference is a single bit in the instruction encodings)
< 1613255823 784100 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait wait
< 1613255836 498488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think the vector instructions are actually faster in cases where the destination is a different register from the sources
< 1613255840 943004 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 32 bit or 64 bit? doesn't 64 bit float subtract have a longer instruction encoding by one byte?
< 1613255852 823375 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas for the xorps it doesn't matter
< 1613255856 353137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh right, there's the SSE special case
< 1613255860 79243 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can use xorps for 64-bit
< 1613255864 746212 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure
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< 1613255873 510188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where …ps instructions are 1 byte shorter
< 1613255877 989684 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember all the SSE2 encodings
< 1613255881 527415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not vex-encoded
< 1613255914 472504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the way to think about it is: you have two encoding families for vector instructions, SSE and VEX
< 1613255949 937233 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I remember is that there's a rare special case when using MMX registers as temporaries when you run out of general purpose registers in a tight loop can be worth just because MMX has shorter encodings than SSE2
< 1613255958 878699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only functionality difference is that the VEX encodings have a V at the start of the instruction name, and zero the high 128 bits of a ymm register if you write the low 128 bits; the SSE instructions have no V and will leave the high 128 bits unchanged
< 1613255990 149928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both encoding families have a special case where they're one byte shorter
< 1613256000 514132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE is one byte shorter for …ps instructions, which is a simple enough rule to remember
< 1613256002 381876 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I understand that part, but I mean the pre-AVX MMX/SSE/SSE2/SSSE3/SSE4.1/SSE4/2 instructions have a lot of encoding detail
< 1613256022 903488 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't remember when the shortcuts apply, as in when you need fewer prefixes
< 1613256073 722052 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although while we're there, you say that modern AMD has latency penalties for mixing integer and floating point vector instrs. does it also have penalties for mixing 32-bit and 64-bit floating point instructions, including for the bitwise?
< 1613256082 277569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, instructions are allocated to various "maps"; map 1 instructions are 1 byte shorter in SSE
< 1613256091 163084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas they're one byte shorter in VEX only if none of the input arguments access a register numbered 8-15 inclusive (it's OK if the output does)
< 1613256164 146482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: apparently not, you can type-pun float as double and back for free
< 1613256218 483276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another reason I think it's likely that the issue is "this register is stored physically near the floating-point units" rather than anything to do with caching extra metadata about floats
< 1613256356 235406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, for anyone reading this who doesn't know, it's worth remembering that registers named in machine code instructions generally no longer have any real relationship to physical registers on the processor, they're just a convenient way of telling the processor which instructions are meant to give their output to which other instructions)
< 1613256373 238349 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, but you could have 32-bit and 64-bit float units physically distant too, just as the integer vs float unints
< 1613256414 839106 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are all the optimized-for-marketing fma units so important that that's not worth?
< 1613256471 914507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fma is mildly useful, I'm not sure how heavily it drove into processor marketing
< 1613256489 155528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it is an operation that is *very* hard to do efficiently without processor support, so the people who needed it probably really needed it
< 1613256514 358140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it also made Intel rearchitecture significant parts of their processor internals, so they probably wouldn't have done it unless there was heavy demand)
< 1613256557 672957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until FMA was added, Intel processors couldn't take more than two inputs to any internal instruction, and there were horrible things going on micro-architecturally to avoid having to do that
< 1613256570 887849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's pretty much no way around taking three inputs to an FMA instruction
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< 1613256583 983552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if Intel are going to go to that effort, they're going to market it heavily
< 1613256689 636031 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly useful to optimize fma so that the CPU can do matrix multiplications quickly. but Intel pushed that a bit too far, pushing benchmarks for matrix multiplications or similar used for fashionable AI nonsense, apparently optimizing for the benchmarks of that one thing more than the large variety of tasks that a CPU should handle. that's when you got a cpu where you run out of execution units 
< 1613256695 640876 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with floating point add faster than with fma. that was a few years ago admittedly.
< 1613256764 992211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's hilarious
< 1613256784 752933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like FMA runs on 0/1 nowadays
< 1613256809 873493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same as floating point add, and floating point multiply, individually
< 1613256958 491437 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some people claim that they're optimizing for marketing "number of instructions" the way AVX512 was defined, in a way that adds a bit too much historical load that they have to support in all future CPUs. I don't really buy that. I think it only seems like that partly because they're adding a larger variation of instructions that are *easy* to implement, which seems redundant but actually helps 
< 1613256964 499192 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of how often the decoder and neighbors is the bottleneck, and partly because of the AVX512 mask registers, which admittedly seems a weird design and possibly not the best idea, but might turn out to be good after all for all I know.
< 1613256995 160618 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> looks like FMA runs on 0/1 nowadays / the same as floating point add, and floating point multiply, individually" => yes, what I mentioned was pre-AVX512
< 1613257051 190995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a non-AVX-512 processor (although after it was invented)
< 1613257072 175436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVX-512 looks like something that Intel doesn't want to have as a "default" feature in consumer processors, at least not yet
< 1613257098 734642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, at some point increasing the size of the vector units isn't going to help much because the bottleneck will be memory/cache speed and not compute speed
< 1613257144 221671 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1613257224 50706 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, just like AVX and AVX2, AVX512 also adds new instructions or instruction modes on shorter vectors, most notably the additional vector registers and the mask registers, not only wider vectors
< 1613257234 153280 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not only about the width
< 1613257322 796599 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it is worth to have low-power cpus that support the AVX2 instruction set but only 16 byte execution units and decoding the 32 byte wide instructions to run on two execution units, and similarly it can be worth to have AVX512 instructions that only have 32 byte wide execution units
< 1613257343 865338 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, partly that's why. the other part is decoding.
< 1613257399 398619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many modern procesors turn off half the vector registers most of the time to save power
< 1613257422 308325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will run 32-byte instructions by passing them through the low half of the vector units twice while the high half is busy turning on
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< 1613339087 347767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. I'm trying to set up one of those log aggregation things with Loki and its accompanying promtail agent, and I've made it scrape the systemd journal, but it's throwing these "entry out of order" errors every now and then, which I don't understand. All the items are in order in the journalctl output -- but maybe that sorts them or something, and they actually don't get written in order to the journal 
< 1613339093 359924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :file. But I can't find anyone else complaining.
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< 1613340333 664441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDGI. They're in order even in `journalctl -f`, which I imagine would be tailing the log the same way the promtail agent does. But still it sometimes happens.
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< 1613351177 869169 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are my ideas so far of the mirror protocol:  http://sprunge.us/GZT9QV
< 1613351210 68589 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please make a comment of it.
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< 1613351929 112224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I have a ridiculous question, so this seemed like a good channel to ask it
< 1613351952 220764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to mmap over NULL to make my process's virtual address 0 a valid address; it seems that by default you can do this as root, but not as a regular user
< 1613351979 308372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember there's a kernel setting that makes doing that legal even for regular users; does anyone here happen to know/remember what it is, or should I go hunting for it? it's hard to search for
< 1613352076 9688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely remember that was a possible security hole?
< 1613352081 404133 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is; I have not heard of that before, though.
< 1613352088 12917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's the vmsplice security hole from 2008, now patched
< 1613352101 989919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the context is a code-golfing-like situation, I'm wondering how many bytes / uops it's theoretically possible to save in a hot loop, and it crosses my mind that you can simplify things by having the loop end at address 0 so that the check for the loop end is simpler)
< 1613352119 5725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1613352133 940373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know the answer, anyway
< 1613352141 721127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there was a sysctl for it, right? 
< 1613352159 137450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already found the solution where you just add a SIB byte to every memory access containing a nonzero value, and use that as a "virtual zero"
< 1613352160 813159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm.mmap_min_addr? 
< 1613352163 653365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the solution using segment registers
< 1613352169 665217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both of those add at least one additional byte
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< 1613352197 897200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr
< 1613352198 875495 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :4096
< 1613352209 384376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds plausible to me.
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< 1613352220 856398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, looks right
< 1613352237 36675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I wasn't 100% sure that someone would know it off the top of their head, but this place seemed as likely as any
< 1613352266 192901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a faint recollection you had to change that to make dosemu work right.
< 1613352297 324750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is, this is the sort of code that a) wants to map over NULL, *and* b) wants to use vmsplice
< 1613352305 790381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet at the time of the fix, nobody thought that was a legitimate combination
< 1613352437 390627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't documented in either proc(5) nor mmap(2) (and the return value is EPERM which isn't supposed to be caused by this)
< 1613352454 363573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, Linux's userspace/kernel-interface documentation is rather more lacking than I'd hoped
< 1613352469 183304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to read about four files of kernel source code to figure out what vmsplice actually does
< 1613352526 599321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what it does is to take a page of memory from your process, flag it as copy-on-write, then mmap it directly into a pipe buffer so that reads from the pipe will read from your process's memory if you don't change it before the read, or from a copy of the memory if you do)
< 1613352586 931922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so vmsplice to the write end of a pipe, followed by another process reading from the read end, only copies the data once (in read); if you write rather than vmsplice, the data gets copied twice (on both write and read)
< 1613352612 97041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the caveat is that if you modify the page in question at all before the pipe gets read, the kernel has to copy the entire page containing the data you wrote, rather than just the data itself (and also adjust page tables, which is slow)
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< 1613352688 629314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel devs were hoping to implement vmsplice for the read end of a pipe, too, but couldn't think of a good way to handle the mapping *into* user space, so right now it's effectively just an alias for readv that only works on pipes
< 1613352825 812933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just use a %fs: prefix, although there's little documentation as to how expensive those are; my guess would be that they're cheap due to the need to support backwards compatibility for 32-bit programs, but I may be wrong
< 1613352903 417315 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I also found the documentation for some Linux features (including stuff in /proc) to be incomplete
< 1613352939 882896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even think there's an official piece of documentation anywhere for how you make a system call from userspace
< 1613352948 112395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of calling convention and ABI
< 1613352979 65007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use %fs for what?
< 1613352981 446144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there seems to be a consensus that all registers are call-preserved, including the flags and argument registers, with the exception of %rcx and %r11, and the return value %rax)
< 1613352992 784137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it used for thread-local storage on Linux nowadays? Or is that gs?
< 1613353012 238588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so the idea is that you have a loop with a pointer that points to useful memory, but also doubles as the loop counter
< 1613353020 786092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the loop ends when the pointer hits 0
< 1613353081 306962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to use this pointer usefully, you can either a) make it an index rather than a pointer (requiring a base register and a SIB byte); b) mmap over NULL so that 0 is a valid address; or c) use a segment override so that the pointer with value 0 actually points to some part of virtual memory other than the bottom
< 1613353098 562224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :segment overrides used to be much more complex in 16-bit and 32-bit x86
< 1613353128 838293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in x86-64, there are only two segment overrides that do anything (%fs: and %gs:), and their effect is unrelated to the actual value in the %fs or %gs registers
< 1613353192 266967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of them just adds a constant offset to the address it modifies; there are a few different ways to specify the constant (but typically, you tell the kernel what constant you want and it sets up the processor according to the offsets you requested during context switches)
< 1613353259 215942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread-local storage takes advantage of the fact that each thread is context-switched to separately by the kernel, so each thread is given its own %fs base by the threading library, which points to the start of the thread's thread-local storage
< 1613353283 777824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the constant offset the value in the %fs register?
< 1613353287 398704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that at the assembly level, accessing (say) the 33rd byte of TLS is as simple as %fs:(32)
< 1613353289 387553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1613353299 23319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the logical thing to do, but they're actually unrelated
< 1613353303 817990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most cases, the value in the register is 0
< 1613353357 200938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the exception is that writing to the register will write the offset, too; but the relationship between the value you write and the offset that is loaded is not the identity function, it's actually calculated using a lookup table that on Linux, you can specify using the modify_ldt system call)
< 1613353372 861760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the values in the lookup table are only 32 bits long for some reason
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< 1613353406 422366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in general, you don't ever write to %fs or %gs directly
< 1613353420 175105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write to the offset registers, %fsbase and %gsbase, directly on some recent Intel processors
< 1613353426 173870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you probably actually wanted to do
< 1613353429 797464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, fsbase and fs are different things?
< 1613353433 801705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1613353473 774122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And these are set by some MSR.
< 1613353488 703709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned the other day that both Linux and Windows swapped the segment override they're using for TLS when going from x86-32 to x86-64; since they started out using the opposite registers, they still do.
< 1613353505 716248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, if you don't have wrfsbase/wrgsbase instructions, you need to use an MSR to set them (which is why you need a system call to set them in Linux, because only the kernel can write MSRs)
< 1613353533 796248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have no idea why you'd pick %fs or %gs in particular for this
< 1613353536 322311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly it's also impossible to even get the fsbase/gsbase value directly.
< 1613353550 794785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's a SWAPGS instruction, but no SWAPFS counterpart, that's what I was given as the reason.
< 1613353559 113183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so Linux stores the value of gsbase at %gs:0 or something like that.
< 1613353563 555957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it *was*, but Intel added RDFSBASE recently
< 1613353584 527758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are still lots of processors that don't have it, though, it's fairly new
< 1613353607 969994 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the instruction be emulated on computers that don't have it?
< 1613353619 384774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I realise that, but it's unclear what the performance properties are
< 1613353620 636846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might hope that nowadays something like lea %fs:0, %rax would be valid.
< 1613353640 553897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm mov %fs:0, %rdx
< 1613353641 936443 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  64 48 8b 14 25 00 00 00 00   mov %fs:0x0,%rdx
< 1613353655 107797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm lea 0, %rdx
< 1613353656 135480 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  48 8d 14 25 00 00 00 00   lea 0x0,%rdx
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< 1613353674 115592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lea ignores segment registers
< 1613353681 195958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was curious about this myself, so decided to test it
< 1613353689 935902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gas actually produced a warning telling me that it doesn't work
< 1613353706 436601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm rdfsbase %rdx
< 1613353707 480656 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  f3 48 0f ae c2   rdfsbase %rdx
< 1613353709 469218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you might hope otherwise, in long mode.
< 1613353738 196095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the "f3 48 0f" prefix seems so dirty
< 1613353741 294827 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1613353746 328334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that is the only legal ordering for the prefixes
< 1613353774 576939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x64, 0x48, 0x14, 0x25, 0, 0, 0, 0
< 1613353775 505760 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  64 48 14 25   fs rex.W adc $0x25,%al \ 4:  00 00   add %al,(%rax) \ 	...
< 1613353789 356179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x64, 0x48, 0x8d, 0x14, 0x25, 0, 0, 0, 0
< 1613353790 442974 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  64 48 8d 14 25 00 00 00 00   lea %fs:0x0,%rdx
< 1613353814 263212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is encodable, it just ignores it.
< 1613353822 990861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a totally valid instruction, but its actual effect is to write 0 to %rdx
< 1613353843 411659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm lea 0, %fs:0(%rdx)
< 1613353844 376079 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: too many memory references for `lea' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: junk `:0(%rdx)' after expression
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< 1613353854 30628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm lea %fs:(0), %rdx
< 1613353855 35398 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  64 48 8d 14 25 00 00 00 00   lea %fs:0x0,%rdx
< 1613353857 674259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1613353861 469606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's named after "load effective address", and the effective address is by definition before segments.
< 1613353875 528797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what distinguishes it from the linear address.
< 1613353877 286936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a "load linear address" to get the post-segmentation value
< 1613353895 240319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even a "load physical address" to get a complete set
< 1613353948 961482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wouldn't expect to get physical addresses in userspace.
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< 1613353964 753186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem that ridiculous of a thing to be able to do at CPL 0
< 1613353990 520269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implementation of vmsplice needs to get physical addresses, for example
< 1613354009 400104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel has to do a page walk in order to figure it out, duplicating the work that the processor does in hardware
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< 1613354031 807728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a side effect of this is that vmsplice runs faster if you're using hugepages)
< 1613354108 839684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, what I'm saying is that LPA should probably be restricted to kernel space, but there are plenty of processor instructions that are restricted to kernel space
< 1613354288 238205 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so
< 1613354347 666326 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does x86-64 have emulation of invalid instructions (either not implemented or not allowed)?
< 1613354395 619749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indirectly; an invalid instruction causes a #UD trap, which the kernel gets an opportunity to react to
< 1613354425 293558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on physical hardware, most kernels will react to this by causing a SIGILL instruction; however, a kernel could if it wanted to emulate the instruction then return (there is sufficient information in the trap for this)
< 1613354456 658362 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can help then, if a program uses instructions that your computer doesn't have, the kernnel can emulate it, or if it uses a privileged instruction that the user program has sufficient privilege to use
< 1613354463 442463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that Windows used to use illegal instructions to do system calls, because they were faster than a regular interrupt for some reason.
< 1613354486 320368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "canonical illegal instruction" that you're supposed to use for intentional SIGILLs is ud2, and I vaguely remember that the reason for the name is that there was once also a ud1 instruction, intended to "soft extent" the instruction set by having the kernel handle the #UD trap
< 1613354504 547766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't find documentation for ud1 in either the Intel or AMD guides, so maybe it was removed
< 1613354531 526188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, if the kernel is going to be assigning a meaning to ud1 combinations, maybe they aren't a good suggestion for intentionally illegal instructions)
< 1613354558 979611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/ud also talks about ud0
< 1613354601 360431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember this subtlety about decoding ud0 without the modrm byte.
< 1613354764 919082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0xff, 0x00
< 1613354767 345358 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f ff 00   ud0 (%rax),%eax
< 1613354777 231433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0xb9, 0x00
< 1613354778 195422 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f b9 00   ud1 (%rax),%eax
< 1613354782 809939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0xf1, 0x00
< 1613354783 903779 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f f1 00   psllw (%rax),%mm0
< 1613354794 586795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm .byte 0x0f, 0x1f, 0x00
< 1613354795 588757 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:  0f 1f 00   nopl (%rax)
< 1613354798 218694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1613354808 818236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems that ud0 and ud1 take two arguments each
< 1613354843 450699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I recently realised that it's possible to at least encode a vectorized NOP, by following the normal rules for vectorising other instructions
< 1613354847 652215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I got a SIGILL when I tried
< 1613354853 869550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was disappointing
< 1613354868 368123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along similar lines you can write a vectorized ud0 or ud1 or ud2
< 1613354894 511641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these will presumably also give a SIGILL, and there may be some debate about whether they're real instructions or not because a SIGILL is the expected effect :-)
< 1613355190 655680 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there at least one OS that uses ud2 as its syscall instruction?
< 1613355220 2102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually had a crazy idea of using pagefaults as a system call instruction
< 1613355225 474763 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1613355226 433500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would allow for things like memory-mapped pipes
< 1613355260 131259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage is that you could remove a lot of loop logic from the userspace side, whereas the kernel side may well not be any slower
< 1613355279 553961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although, I think `syscall` is meant to be faster than all the other ways of doing system calls)
< 1613355307 662368 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if a store causes a pagefault, can the handler get access to the value which was to be written?
< 1613355313 514987 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86 i don't think it can :/
< 1613355369 890569 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get the exact bytes of the instruction which faulted in order to emulate it? of course you can get %rip and read the program memory but that might have a race condition in some crazy circumstance
< 1613355421 640761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're supposed to just read %rip, although I can imagine the crazy circumstance in which the race condition occurs
< 1613355469 722302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the plus side is that the race condition can be handled by looking at the bytes to see if they're an instruction that could have produced the sort of fault you see, emulating if so, and just returning and rerunning the instruction otherwise
< 1613355483 523036 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not that crazy really. just multithreading + self modifying code
< 1613355497 643099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that won't produce any results that you couldn't have seen with a slightly different method
< 1613355503 849752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a slightly different timing
< 1613355508 760307 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1613355516 321668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't self-modifying code, but other-modifying code
< 1613355572 929446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the processor's point of view, it would show up as an RFO for L1c data, which is not a path that's going to be used pretty much ever
< 1613355580 711431 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is rdfsbase? 
< 1613355584 885399 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the long mode fs base was in a msr
< 1613355595 22177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns the "value of the msr"
< 1613355614 489968 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not use rdmsr
< 1613355618 381266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, from various discussion of MSRs, I have the strong suspicion that they don't actually exist as separate entities within the processor
< 1613355625 201774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdmsr is privileged, and possibly slower?
< 1613355634 777966 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "separate entities"
< 1613355651 300673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdmsr and wrmsr seem to be processor-level system calls, they're basically just function calls
< 1613355659 983309 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying that they're microcoded
< 1613355669 634805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and they can apparently be microcoded to do anything
< 1613355687 42259 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fair
< 1613355694 922907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the workarounds for one of the spectre vulnerabilities was to add a new MSR that emptied the branch target buffer when written
< 1613355698 336343 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrmsr is to opcodes as ioctl is to syscalls :P
< 1613355702 84773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which returns 0 when read
< 1613355704 200044 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1613355750 786447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strikes me as very unlikely that Intel would have added a physical register with that specific behaviour to the processors they'd actually released and not told anyone out of it, so it's probably some sort of virtual register that exists only in microcode
< 1613355761 321315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* not told anyone about it
< 1613355808 769671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if rdmsr is microcoded, I can easily imagine that a hardwired rdfsbase would be faster
< 1613355830 745311 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1613355843 529313 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fs base does pretty much have to be in a hardware register
< 1613355871 659982 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean also all the user visible registers are virtual in some sense
< 1613355898 848569 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not an actual specific set of 64 flip flops corresponding to RAX, not anymore
< 1613355914 344142 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :with out of order and speculative execution the ISA registers are assigned to physical registers on the fly
< 1613355928 49261 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's still different from executing arbitrary microcode of course
< 1613355954 966199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are tens or hundreds of actual physical registers, and the only purpose register names like rax is to let the processor know which outputs of which instructions should be connected to which inputs of which other instructions
< 1613356010 712058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, there *is* an actual register rax, but it isn't used most of the time (its purpose is to remember what data is in the register the programmer thinks of as "rax" in the case that rax isn't mentioned for a very long time but its value becomes relevant again in some later code, without being overwritten)
< 1613356054 754332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a register isn't used for so long that it falls out of the register allocation table, the processor needs some way to remember where it's storing the value of the register in question, that's why there's a permanent register file
< 1613356061 92409 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1613356107 725441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently old Intel processors had a bandwidth limitation on the permanent register file, and the processor would stall if you suddenly accessed three registers simultaneously that hadn't been accessed for ages, although that's been fixed in more recent processors
< 1613356199 661845 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the VT-x VMCS contain MSRs? it must have some
< 1613356201 874249 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the FS base
< 1613356218 572747 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those are sort of promoted to ISA registers and are not really "model specific" in the same way
< 1613356226 519079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I haven't looked into how virtualisation is implemented
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< 1613356237 845723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, the virtualisation is itself a model
< 1613356242 140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it can define its own MSRs
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< 1613356273 43774 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can set it to trap to the hypervisor on all MSR access
< 1613356279 15646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, something else aggravating that I discovered recently is that Intel and AMD encode their cache information differently in the CPUID output
< 1613356281 480439 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably intended so that you can emulate MSRs that don't exist on your physical CPU
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< 1613356339 134183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, the value you care most about in code is normally the size of the L2 cache, and although you get almost entirely zeroes if you use AMD's method for accessing cache information on an Intel processor, the value for the L2 cache size specifically is filled in in the same format that you get on an AMD processor
< 1613356350 384000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just get a few random L2 cache parameters in a sea of zeroes
< 1613356362 524115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, Intel had to implement that to avoid breaking existing software
< 1613356371 841581 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1613356381 857015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is documented, too, as a guarantee that you can find the L2 cache information there)
< 1613356461 417299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's L2 cache line size, L2 cache size, L2 cache associativity, and the other 29 values that the cpuid call is meant to return are all zeroes, and this is documented behaviour
< 1613356480 831920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this makes it easy to write L2-cache-aware programs that function on both Intel and AMD processors
< 1613356584 430812 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpuid is another wastebasket taxon of an instruction
< 1613356590 104260 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it used as a memory fence on some CPUs??
< 1613356619 23493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still is
< 1613356623 382399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not memory fence, though
< 1613356626 823098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction ordering fence
< 1613356641 746102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the instructions before the cpuid are guaranteed to run before any instruction after the cpuid does
< 1613356652 788864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few other instructions with that property, cpuid might be the fastest though?
< 1613356660 717616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vaguely useful for things like cycle-accurate benchmarking
< 1613356682 865068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a proper memory fence you need mfence, not cpuid, because I don't think cpuid guarantees things like stores having reached memory
< 1613356787 332968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's also worth noting that most stores on x86 have an implicit sfence on them (you need to jump through hoops to get an un-sfenced store)
< 1613356796 141614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mfence and lfence are useful, but sfence is virtually useless
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< 1613358783 96748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, browsing instruction lists, I just discovered why LDDQU exists (when MOVDQU also exists)
< 1613358799 369956 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1613358811 707387 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is so stupidly complicated :(
< 1613358819 936601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different-performance-properties variant: LDDQU is designed to have high throughput for unaligned data which isn't being written at the time
< 1613358838 961224 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1613358841 297080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas MOVDQU is designed to have low latency, especially when the data has been written recently or is about to be written back
< 1613358849 93564 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1613358857 181791 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean lddqu bypasses some caches?
< 1613358877 911987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also LDDQU can over-read on either side and is explicitly allowed to read the same memory twice
< 1613358884 394759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that LDDQU is bypassing the store-forwarding buffer
< 1613358924 724643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which you can think of as the "L0 cache")
< 1613358939 191452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only caches writes, not reads
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< 1613408803 735312 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: in English, do people really pronounce "chassis" with the final "s" silent? if so, why?
< 1613408804 560614 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: madam president, i should just like to say that this problem cannot be available. mr bolkestein, i should like to take this stand because of certain wordings such as " the farmer's privilege'. i also think it is very important that this trend must now be incorporated into the constitution in its entirety to the whole of africa is dramatic. i am an optimist: this situation also has benefits. for in the final analysis, t
< 1613408891 538643 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1613408896 736268 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that answers my question
< 1613409013 709387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( faux francaise )
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< 1613419117 223060 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called the customer service of a fast-food restaurant because they put fewer food into my delivery than I payed for. They gave me a coupon for my next order. The customer service rep on the phone told me that he'd talk to the restaurant and then call me back. fungot, do you think he really talked to the restaurant before calling me back, or is this just something they say?
< 1613419117 944649 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, presidents of parliament pass by, honourable members, who will not, in the case of these condemned women. speaking fnord, the indiscriminate use of force and that is perhaps even more significant than others and it has the resources. the rapporteur has had to do was to protest about the electronics here. i am therefore favourable to these amendments on board, but they are some of the discussions on intern
< 1613419146 835324 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this euparl or brexit style isn't really suitable for these sorts of questions
< 1613419148 931029 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1613419148 999676 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
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< 1613420100 683533 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz
< 1613420100 778579 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011)
< 1613420104 127954 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called the customer service of a fast-food restaurant because they put fewer food into my delivery than I payed for. They gave me a coupon for my next order. The customer service rep on the phone told me that he'd talk to the restaurant and then call me back. fungot, do you think he really talked to the restaurant before calling me back, or is this just something they say?
< 1613420105 141164 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: here, i'll prove it, too, will take what i can get a little of that back with them, dromiceiomimus what's up, champ! here, have some lego. if people wanted traditional! they want new and sexy
> 1613420558 156182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Divrac14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80741&oldid=80710 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+0) 10fix truth-machine
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< 1613422315 198076 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m reading “DSP tutorial for the braindead”. Some lore there
< 1613422364 637579 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cornered myself up in trying to generate a sine wave most effectively, using nothing more than numpy
< 1613422544 61467 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I want to experiment with noisy tonal oscillators and try to use convolution with a fake gaussian for that (piecewise quadratic for large sigmas and binomial for small ones, which I hasn’t implemented yet, and both I haven’t yet tested)
< 1613422644 51823 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end goal is to mess with timbres with harmonics with various irrational rations between them, like golden ratio or sqrt(2). I’m a tad slow and lazy with all that though
< 1613422665 437387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many diverse subtasks
< 1613422797 755930 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fun
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< 1613425363 857237 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought you might like this topic yeah :)
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< 1613437518 472272 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh! I found the third root. "http://zzo38computer.org/sql/"
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< 1613445952 418496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out a solution that doesn't involve mapping over NULL: put the block of memory you're iterating over at 0x80000000 exactly, use 32-bit arithmetic on your 64-bit pointers (this zero-extends the top 32 bits but they're all zeroes anyway), and then the sign flag will contain bit 31 rather than bit 63
< 1613445971 302895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know you've gone below the bottom of your block when the 8 borrows down to a 7
< 1613446000 378789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can also do this the other way, counting upwards and making your memory block end at 0x7fffffff)
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< 1613446121 977534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also use any address where bit 16 is a 1 and bits 15..0 are all zeroes, then use 16-bit arithmetic, but there are potential performance hazards with 16-bit arithmetic
< 1613446141 857279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a false dependency probably wouldn't be too bad for this sort of application, but partial register merge stalls would be horrible
< 1613446150 329646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it costs an extra byte)
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< 1613446375 367878 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There are some additional files too. What is your opinion about the format I mentioned for mirroring (that I linked the document that I wrote)?
< 1613446430 287177 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For transfer purposes, it may be helpful for the request and response to be compressed, too)
< 1613446443 72585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> fungot: in English, do people really pronounce "chassis" with the final "s" silent? if so, why? ← yes, they do, also the initial "ch" is pronounced "sh", and the "i" is pronounced as a long "e"
< 1613446443 252772 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a good choice, then i'm going to make mistaks so bad that they kill me, and a parallel! they're not writing stories about what life would be like, if only you made some decisions okay
< 1613446488 509831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a loanword from French (châssis), and English often borrows approximate pronunciations of loanwords
< 1613446715 867396 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although some people pronounce some words differently, so sometimes there is more than one way in the dictionary
< 1613446754 584004 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes one way to pronounce it is only applicable to one meaning of the word)
< 1613447077 910511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if loanwords ever get returned to their original languages
< 1613447152 42004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to keep it, it's more like theft than borrowing
< 1613447243 739275 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many words are still used in their original languages, I think.
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< 1613447783 579938 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, sometimes there are already good English words, sometimes the one that isn't so common now, though. And, sometimes, should have to make up the new word; sometimes no language has the suitable words already.)
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< 1613457807 510551 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched Murdoch Mysteries; they mentioned that the mathematician proved they could not solve the puzzle with the last two letters reversed (it is a puzzle like the 15 puzzle). But, they failed to consider, there are many duplicate letters. Is that deliberate? Did they know that is relevant?
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< 1613474168 383397 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 re mapping over NULL, I believe you have to pass the MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE flag to the fourth arg of mmap, but that might not be enough. I thought there was a process-wide prctl setting that protects you from mapping to 0 address by default, but didn't require privilege to override. you might want to check sources of old versions of dosemu (or possibly other real mode emulators) that use virtual 
< 1613474174 650206 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086 mode under an x86_32 kernel, because I think that will map to the zero page.
< 1613474339 132893 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never really experimented with it, because I don't want a page mapped at zero address.
< 1613474399 336164 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fizzie found the solution
< 1613474589 108224 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> maybe I should just use a %fs: prefix" => I think that's reserved for libc and similar to implement thread-local variables, so you have to be careful
< 1613474646 162264 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> I don't even think there's an official piece of documentation anywhere for how you make a system call from userspace" => man 2 syscall mostly documents it. some details about connection with signal handlers might be undocumented for all I know
< 1613474685 926520 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the syscall numbers themselves, you have to look them up in the header or include the header
< 1613474702 335663 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ABI of some syscalls might not be documented, so you may have to look them up in libc source code
< 1613474708 419997 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is documented for some of them
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< 1613474816 407626 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you already know that, rather than using the counter as an index, incrementing both the counter and pointers in two/three/four separate registers is often the best, and you're just doing weird golf here
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< 1613475069 69480 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see, the following conversation details how the fs and gs segment descriptors are used on x86_64.
< 1613475073 973897 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know most of that.
< 1613475108 906875 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know that you can use _both_ fs and gs, with nontrivial effect, on x86_64. I thought only one of them was available.
< 1613475403 443531 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> (that said, if the kernel is going to be assigning a meaning to ud1 combinations, maybe they aren't a good suggestion for intentionally illegal instructions)" => it won't, or at least there's a certain undefined instruction that is used to always trigger an error and so won't be assigned meaning, because gcc emits it in some cases for abort() or less optimized unreachable paths
< 1613475438 208582 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are plenty of system mode only instructions that will raise privilage faults, and so can be used to assign some meaning.
< 1613475540 755 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's also syscall and int and int 3 all those things for when you want to assign meaning to an instruction that will be handled by either the kernel or a signal handler, plus you can use an access to an invalid address or other faults
< 1613476027 356102 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure it's useful to define a mirror protocol from your side. you just use the protocol by archive.org or debian or github or MS Onedrive or Google Drive, because they're the ones with the warehouses full of hard disks and mirroring stuff from you.
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< 1613502833 181888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, this is definitely well into "weird golf" territory, this sort of thing would be insane to do for other reasons
< 1613502855 812573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am basically planning to define my own ABI for the program, and am not using libc
< 1613502886 866967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even so, you have to turn off gcc stack protectors because they assume that %fs:(0x28) is a piece of thread-local storage not used by anything else)
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< 1613503656 197744 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. that gets difficult. 
< 1613503682 681375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm entirely willing to write this completely in asm if necessary
< 1613503700 359103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently torn about whether the non-performance-sensitive parts should be in asm or in C
< 1613503727 146625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc lets you reserve a register for your own use program-wide, which is pretty useful for defining your own ABIs (it does, however, spout warnings if library functions overwrite it)
< 1613503827 427865 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gcc lets you reserve a register for your own use program-wide" => I wonder for what architecture they added that
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< 1613503905 896775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think it's for people doing very low level high-performance asm stuff where they want to keep global variables in registers
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< 1613504020 617881 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but keeping a global variable constantly in a register is weird, even for a high-performance asm stuff. keeping a global variable in a register temporarily during a function or hot loop, that makes sense, but ordinary compiler optimizations can already do that. 
< 1613504070 423416 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing it locally has much fewer problems with ABI compatibility 
< 1613504103 744816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are some platforms where the number of registers is large compared to the size of RAM
< 1613504138 272892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some algorithms where you don't want to touch memory at all
< 1613504304 584644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, having a large number of global variables is normally an issue with your program in the first place, and if you have only a small number, keeping them in registers might make sense depending on how widely they're used
< 1613504343 320342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually ran into a problem like this in aimake – its C output contains a lot of functions that call each other, and gcc seems unwilling to change the ABI of a function that isn't inlined
< 1613504364 455485 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: number of registers is large => MMIX is one of them, 6502 may be one if you count the zero-page bytes as registers. maybe x86_64 with AVX512 and its 32 vector registers could count as one, but the problem is, you can't guarantee that they're preserved through callers
< 1613504374 957368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make sense for all the internal state of the parsing automaton to be in global variables for just that source file
< 1613504384 888685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think could be accomplished via that gcc feature
< 1613504386 238661 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some algorithms where you don't want to touch memory at all" => in a hot loop. not in a whole program.
< 1613504421 707634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some registers, like %r14, are hardly ever used as it is
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< 1613504470 840120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was thinking of the PIC microcontrollers, which normally have around 100 or so bytes of registers, and often fewer bytes of general-purpose memory (40 or so)
< 1613504489 400683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the documentation goes into a lot of detail on what registers you can use as extra memory under which circumstances
< 1613504529 727704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the whole purpose of the PIC is to have a lot of register-mapped hardware available, so most of the registers have side effects when read and/or written)
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< 1613504651 610871 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re parsing, just put that internal state to the first argument (or first few arguments) of all your function, then the ABI will force them to be in registers (%rdi then %rsi for linux, or %xmm0 then %xmm1 depending on type), at least in the boundaries of those functions. whether it's a C function argument or a C++ *this argument is mostly irrelevant.
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< 1613504680 762667 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the syntax for globally reserving a register in GCC?
< 1613504681 764579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that was my first idea, but C isn't call-by-name and much of the internal state is writable
< 1613504709 885764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: register type varname asm("registername");
< 1613504717 929303 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1613504722 219974 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, so you want to return the modified state in the same register? that might be harder, yes.
< 1613504737 510570 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GHC's old C backend used that
< 1613504764 649334 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could write a specialized backend to the parser generator that writes x86_64 assembly directly
< 1613504791 334097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was working on that but stalled on it
< 1613504860 580980 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were actually two flavors of the C backend, "registerized" and "unregisterized"
< 1613504907 945512 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also have a hard time imagining that this parser register thing is an optimization that will solve an actual bottleneck
< 1613504911 581702 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unregisterized backend outputted something reasonably close to standard C, and was good for portability, but bad for performance
< 1613504929 411464 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things it used a "mini interpreter" for computed tail calls
< 1613504955 37668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I would imagine that the bottlenecks on parsing would be one of L1 read, L1 write, instruction decode, or instruction issue
< 1613504974 874153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and putting the important parser variables into registers would seem to reduce pressure on all four of those?
< 1613505000 716255 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like   void *(*f)(); while (1) { f = f(); }
< 1613505035 485824 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a computed tail call / jump (which are the main ubiquitous form of control flow in compiled haskell code) compiled to a return and a call, which is not very efficient
< 1613505046 677194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the *real* bottleneck is probably reading the file that stores the information you're parsing, it wouldn't help with that bottleneck at all
< 1613505063 733634 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there was the registerized backend, which output horribly GCC-dependent code and mangled the resulting assembly further with a huge perl script
< 1613505069 112753 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was only ever implemented for a few architectures
< 1613505089 586521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not that inefficient (2-3 clock cycles on most processors) unless mispredicted
< 1613505091 272794 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the advantage of producing C was not portability but rather the ability to use GCC codegen and optimizations
< 1613505116 141708 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it may have been worse in the early days when this was first implemented
< 1613505120 598346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an unconditional jump costs ¼ of a clock cycle, so is faster
< 1613505129 982552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that you don't space them too tightly)
< 1613505195 101439 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by 1/4 of a clock cycle? i can see that being meaningful for arithmetic (if you can execute 4 instructions at once) but how does it work for control flow
< 1613505231 748658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: on Intel processors, there are four main execution units for arithmetic, etc., 0, 1, 5, and 6 (AMD processors also have four but they're named differently)
< 1613505241 63756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each can handle a subset of instructions
< 1613505267 733493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumps tie up port 6 for a cycle, probably so that they can be reversed if they turn out to have been mispredicted
< 1613505286 764609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6 is also usable for very basic arithmetic/logic, things like adds and xors)
< 1613505287 968659 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dunno. maybe.
< 1613505307 808151 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is probably at least some esoteric valid optimization use for this global register thing
< 1613505323 992465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else about a jump happens in parallel with your arithmetic and logic, so it costs no time at all as long as jumps aren't too densely packed as it isn't on the critical path of the processor
< 1613505324 776722 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1613505342 952870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumps also cost one instruction issue and one instruction retire, but Intel processors handle those at the rate of 4 per cycle
< 1613505365 158156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's taking up almost exactly ¼ of the resources that you get each clock cycle
< 1613505381 35759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/away for a little while
< 1613505383 873556 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1613505506 324469 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the code is execution bound that is.
< 1613505904 170838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1613505942 877673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's actually close to theoretically impossible for code to be execution bound in general, on modern processors
< 1613505976 88046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can only really happen in the case of instructions that take multiple clock cycles and can't be pipelined
< 1613505979 278958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like division
< 1613506007 932571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other cases, it's impossible to feed instructions into the execution units faster than the execution units can process them
< 1613506029 132942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a sort-of execution-bound when your code is trying to use one particular execution unit more than it can manage, though
< 1613506053 797111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. recent Intel processors can only run vector shuffle operations on port 5, so your code will be execution-bound if it's trying to do those at a rate of more than one per cycle)
< 1613506113 218487 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"close to theoretically impossible for code to be execution bound in general" => yes.
< 1613506141 518227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in AMD processors, the rest of the pipeline is faster compared to Intel processors, so those are more likely to become execution bound
< 1613506149 673140 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how they ended up named 0, 1, 5, and 6
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< 1613506180 553722 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the old prank with the 3 pigs labeled "1", "2", and "4"
< 1613506187 701971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you write a few thousand register-register integer addition instructions in a row, that will be execution-bound because there are only four adders available and yet the rest of the pipeline could handle six addition instructions per cycle
< 1613506196 718419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 2, 3, 4, 7 also exist but aren't ALUs
< 1613506227 529421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 and 3 are used for memory read operations (read-modify instructions will use both 2 or 3, and one of 0/1/5/6, simultaneously)
< 1613506240 436686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is used for all memory writes (so you can only write memory once per clock cycle)
< 1613506254 885243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 7 is an address generation unit for writes
< 1613506258 875911 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1613506264 326078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what confuses me is that 7 isn't *always* used for writes, even though it can't do anything else
< 1613506273 255283 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean LEA-arithmetic happens on 7?
< 1613506279 456582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes writes will borrow the AGU from port 2 or 3
< 1613506280 852438 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds contradictory
< 1613506301 329699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEA-arithmetic has varied on how it's done from processor to processor, but most modern processors do it on an ALU rather than an AGU
< 1613506308 890291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the AGUs don't need to be told how to write registers
< 1613506312 852714 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1613506370 227051 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my wife says someone actually did the thing with the pigs at her high school)
< 1613506374 32142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like on recent Intel complex LEAs need to be done on port 1, simpler LEAs can be done on port 1 or 5
< 1613506377 131446 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is what happens when you grow up in farm country?)
< 1613506451 749400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never sure what counts as a complex LEA, but suspect it's something like index + base + displacement all being specified
< 1613506491 969900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, RIP-relative addresses are "slow" on modern processors for some reason, they tend to require complex-AGU resources even though they're conceptually quite simple
< 1613506504 761811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. needing to go via port 1 for RIP-relative LEAs)
< 1613506529 790823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the difficulty is in how %rip itself gets routed, because it isn't register-renamed like most registers are
< 1613506734 217076 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, "slow"
< 1613506751 208410 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in as slow as a double indexing
< 1613506864 785908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think I figured out why memory writes can use the AGU from port 2 or 3
< 1613506881 732839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so that if there's a read-modify-write instruction, the read and write use the same AGU as each other
< 1613506928 849668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also wouldn't surprise me if port 7 were a recent addition, and if earlier processors just used 2 and 3 as the only AGUs available
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< 1613507414 909666 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow all the details of the execution units. the practical effect is that it's often worth to interleave simple operations if they don't have dependencies either way. which is also why incrementing two pointers in parallel can be better than indexing, and the pointer compare-and-jump can go parallel with the computation. 
< 1613507524 158725 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in practice in those kinds of tight loops you want to optimize for decoder and decoded cache, after of course you arrange multiple loops to operate on nice L1-cache-sized chunks so the L2 cache doesn't bind you
< 1613507643 661941 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :modeling the different execution units in detail rarely helps you. the execution latencies of the instructions do matter, but which execution units they can run on rarely does.
< 1613507668 775435 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're writing a BLAS.
< 1613507714 974588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interleaving doesn't help as much as you might think, because of how the reorder buffer works
< 1613507729 271026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you do need to do is to keep the loop-carried-dependency chain as short as possible, though
< 1613507770 581801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that will often be the limiting factor on how fast a loop can run
< 1613507785 352696 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you mean the order you write the interleaved instructions doesn't matter as much? yes.
< 1613507815 354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, the order of instructions is mostly irrelevant on out-of-order processors (which includes most modern processors apart from intentionally low-power-usage ones)
< 1613507834 491505 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that makes sense
< 1613507835 948199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be moved quite some distance (tens of instructions) in order to get them to run as early as possible
< 1613507849 239191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've discovered that the main effect from moving instructions round is to decrease register pressure
< 1613507885 518954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a temporary register that you need only for the course of a few instructions, it works best to put those instructions right next to each other so that the same register name can be reused as a temporary in a different block of instructions
< 1613507892 425984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than needing to keep it live
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< 1613507989 9726 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-131.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that can allow shorter instr encodings.
< 1613508180 899942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in extreme cases, avoid spills
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< 1613537996 745658 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember many years ago I read a book of puzzles, including a puzzle about a poker game where the players take whatever cards they want, and a puzzle about minimizing probabilities in a loaded dice game, and a 15-puzzle with duplicate tiles, and some other stuff; it also included the puzzle that I see in other books too about three people taking turns shooting each other.
< 1613538037 27206 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also contained some puzzles that the author did not know the answer. I do not remember the title nor author's name, but I seem to remember (I may be mistaken) that it was printed with black and red ink. Do you know?
< 1613538265 22379 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know only a Martin Gardner
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< 1613541988 273981 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of Martin Gardner too, but I don't know if that was the author (I think it wasn't his style, but I may be mistaken). I also have not seen many of these puzzles in other books or computer, except where I wrote them myself from remembering them.
> 1613542067 756216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80773&oldid=79327 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+241) 10/* Input\Output format */
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< 1613542877 747395 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What type of puzzle is this? I might be familiar with it
< 1613542915 389181 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:59:56 <zzo38> I remember many years ago I read a book of puzzles, including a puzzle about a poker game where the players take whatever cards they want, and a puzzle about minimizing probabilities in a loaded dice game, and a 15-puzzle with duplicate tiles, and some other stuff; it also included the puzzle that I see in other books too about
< 1613542915 540411 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :three people taking turns shooting each other.
< 1613542915 562299 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:00:37 <zzo38> It also contained some puzzles that the author did not know the answer. I do not remember the title nor author's name, but I seem to remember (I may be mistaken) that it was printed with black and red ink. Do you know?
< 1613543086 533644 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The puzzle with the dice is: You have two dice. One is loaded so that it is always five. Assign the probabilities for the numbers on the other dice in order to minimize the probability of winning.
< 1613543117 224776 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the definition of winning
< 1613543135 887491 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(win condition)
< 1613543277 631175 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they total seven or eleven on your first roll, then you win. A total of two or three or twelve on your first roll is a loss (impossible with the stated conditions). Otherwise, repeating the total of the first roll before rolling seven wins; seven before the same total as the first roll loses.
< 1613543568 654874 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other puzzle is the card game. Its rules are: First player selects any five cards. Second player selects any five of the remaining cards. First player discards any of their cards they wish, and draw replacements from the remaining cards. Second player does likewise (I think drawing from the discards is not allowed, but I do not remember). By what strategy can the first player guarantee a win?
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> 1613545086 922608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NyaScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80774&oldid=80621 5* 03ThatCookie 5* (+1) 10
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< 1613551296 15506 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can it be one of Smullyan's book? the specific puzzles don't ring a bell, but the general description does, and I haven't read all his books.
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< 1613553103 987731 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, a video of the Wiener Philharmoniker Neujahrskonzert 2021 is on youtube now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apUtLa5bOtQ . It's not the original ORF version, it's a BBC one, but that is probably already better than what I have.
< 1613553171 711507 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sound quality is terrible, but that's probably because of the earphone I'm using here in the office. I'll check at home.
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> 1613566713 673371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mdilella 5*  10New user account
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< 1613571334 945980 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, few years ago I made an improved modification of some existing algorithm of perceptual image diffing -- the thing to compare images, measure the distance between them
< 1613571368 407773 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just few lines of code
< 1613571399 151322 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking what examples to make to just show how to call the two methods calculate_fingerprint and compare_fingerprints, very simple
< 1613571440 784735 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one example was a script to "find duplicate photos in a folder" and another one was an improvised OCR
< 1613571527 109382 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :few lines of a script are just rendering 26 latin letters with the built-in default Arial font, calculate the fingerprints, then it takes an input image, trivially cuts it into rectangles of letters and compares with known "training set" of just 26 letters
< 1613571588 332282 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a test I took a screenshot of a text from some font website with a bit different Arial and it did two little errors in 9 input words
< 1613571663 477203 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course better OCR of such kind would be trained on different variants of the font, would apply the dictionary, etc., there are different ways to improve the tool with minimal effort but it was just a few lines long demo of how to call the two methods
< 1613571731 295168 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I see that someone has starred a real OCR project on github -- a project with 10k stars, 64 contributors, thousands lines of code, a bunch of technologies used, neural networks, etc.
< 1613571791 406490 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I upload the same image to their demo website and you know what? it does not 2 but 3 error and they are huge, just ruining one of 9 words
< 1613571842 751643 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so few lines long script that wasn't even supposed to be a usable OCR tool did better job than...
< 1613571858 43609 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just another "everything you should know about neural networks"
< 1613571874 899753 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "modern AI industry", whatever
< 1613571896 572247 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much effort and money they put in that...
> 1613573006 146532 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Mdilella 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:2021-02-17 15-32-13.gif10]]"
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< 1613588961 932498 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you solve linear programs?
< 1613588962 153798 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a very tricky to sound natural, then you can't sleep at all, then you go demented and then you die, we're giving dinosaur comics to the marmaduke guy. sincerely, the man, you must really have been something!
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> 1613591105 581917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitcoin14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80784 5* 03Expliked 5* (+1234) 10Created page with "Bitcoin is a brainfuck-derivative joke language, where you can only increment or decrement the pointer by the current price of bitcoin.  == Commands ==  sell  : increment the..."
> 1613591227 725790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitcoin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80785&oldid=80784 5* 03Expliked 5* (+67) 10cats
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> 1613591466 470538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitcoin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80787&oldid=80785 5* 03Expliked 5* (+56) 10more cats (is this language even turing-complete???)
> 1613591496 915276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Bitcoin14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80788 5* 03Expliked 5* (+118) 10Created page with "== Turing-completeness == Given this is a brainfuck-derivative, wouldn't this language be considered Turing-complete??"
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> 1613594144 149830 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80792&oldid=80766 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+353) 10/* Example programs */ described the mathematical constant approximation programs.
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> 1613618534 524690 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80796&oldid=80657 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2769) 10Add interpreter, add INP instruction for input, explain computational class, revert old examples
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> 1613626022 172239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRSCNT14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80797&oldid=80796 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10/* Computational class */
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< 1613632489 326310 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had designed a computer video processor before (never implemented), with its own instruction set, and during each scanline you can set the addresses for the planes and index data independently, even overlapping if you want to.
< 1613632547 430058 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not the intention, I later realized that one effect that can be generated with this without too much difficulty is drop shadows. At first I thought only vertical drop shadows, but later I realized how to do drop shadows in any direction (other than purely horizontally), by skewing the picture.
< 1613632561 421444 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other effects that were not the intention are probably also possible.
< 1613632579 374392 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as some that probably were the intention at first.)
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< 1613633573 266976 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stealth Thrower {?} Creature - ? (1/1) ;; {T}: ~ deals 3 damage to target creature or planeswalker. Flip a coin; if heads, shuffle ~ and all permanents attached to it into their owner's library.
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> 1613640524 79567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AGuy 5*  10New user account
> 1613641133 904338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80798&oldid=80775 5* 03AGuy 5* (+78) 10/* Introductions */
> 1613641308 563552 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80799&oldid=80798 5* 03AGuy 5* (+8) 10/* Introductions */
> 1613641386 777147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80800&oldid=80799 5* 03AGuy 5* (+30) 10/* Introductions */
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< 1613641862 5210 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the internet is so great. if the latest fashionable app that job wants us to use, and there's a problem with it, I can use a web search to find other people complaining about the same problem.
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< 1613643203 114445 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reference, the Microsoft Teams non-browser version does not care about Windows's locale when displaying datetimes. It has its own locale settings, but you can't set date formats, only pick a full locale that includes messages. A partial workaround is to select United Kingdom as its locale, which at least displays times like "14:00" instead of
< 1613643203 670790 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2:00 PM" or "2:00 p.m.", but still uses a weird format for dates.
< 1613643547 495021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the UK dates DD/MM/YYYY? That's what I mostly see here, which I'm reasonably okay with given that it's in the "right" order, but OTOH using slashes makes it look one of those bad US dates.
< 1613643681 290725 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it displays "Thursday, 18 February 2021 @ 14:00" as long datetime, and apparently "Yesterday" and "12/02 09:52" for abbreviated datetime, and even "12 Feb 2021 09:52" as a tooltip for that.  
< 1613643703 926052 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen "DD/MM/YYYY" yet, but perhaps I'll find it elsewhere. there are many tabs and plugins.
< 1613643739 959246 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, there's a "15/06/2020 21:51" too
< 1613643860 380275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I didn't think of the "text" ones. But DD/MM and DD/MM/YYYY (and maybe DD/MM/YY) are common "numeric" ones.
< 1613643940 739352 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows and its built-in programs like Explorer are made well enough, less affected by fashionable trends of replacing apps every year, so File Explorer says "2020-08-29 17:14" for a file modification time
< 1613643983 391649 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook is somewhere in between, it shows "2021-02-05" sometimes, but also "Fri 02-12" for more recent mails.
< 1613643998 486848 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Sun 19:22" for even more recent ones.
> 1613644102 612938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AGuy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80801 5* 03AGuy 5* (+257) 10Who I Am
< 1613645162 539497 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember I told about the letter Ёё,
< 1613645201 115853 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a monument in its honor: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B5_%C2%AB%D1%91%C2%BB
< 1613645299 311369 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is also a monument to this one https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B5_%D3%A7
< 1613645323 681470 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from a sub-Russia republic alphabet https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8
< 1613645345 825603 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(above link in English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komi_alphabets)
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< 1613646448 685975 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I wanted to say that I find a monument to a letter strange, but then I realized that we in Budapest have a statue of the numeral zero in the city https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Zero_Kilometre_Stone_(Budapest)
< 1613647204 847244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone's put up a monument for the letters ä, ö or å in Finland. Though I guess it wouldn't surprise me hugely if there was a big Å somewhere on Åland Islands.
< 1613649029 67957 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas that monument looks like I wlll not say what
< 1613649307 976811 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a numeral 0\, not a numeral 1
< 1613649921 631454 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why does this script work only if I give a type to this function parameter, not if I leave the type undeclared? that shouldn't matter in VBA, except sometimes for giving an error message if the wrong type is passed.
< 1613649921 713933 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: don't people say that there's only one person you can have a low moral fibre. you can only have poor ethical training, t-rex
< 1613649969 799564 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the heck happens when I don't declare the type and I get a silent error that halfway pretends to work but doesn't actually
< 1613650280 378083 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t-rex, you only have poor ethical training
< 1613650776 849620 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ë"=="ё"
< 1613650777 10419 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> false
< 1613650805 881233 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look different in my terminal font and the same in IRC
< 1613650855 413453 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought sanitizing 800'000 news websites article titles would be easy
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< 1613652871 30934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to write a macro in LibreOffice Basic once, and found it approximately as painful as VBA.
< 1613652923 325682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it lets you write in Python too, though.)
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< 1613671849 13235 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, I have basic dumb questions about how modern web security works. there are two types of attacks where a website can try to abuse that the user has cookies to another website in the same browser. the first type is when the user tries to submit a form on https://anime.example , but the form target is actually https://bank.example/send which sends money to the owner of anime.example , and if the 
< 1613671855 21047 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :user happens to be logged into https://bank.example with the cookie, then this will use the user's bank account. there's an old method to protect against this first type: the bank.example's actual form has an unpredictable token in a hidden input field that the server checks on submit, anime.example can't forge that token in their own form. but you can't use that to fix all attacks of the second kind, 
< 1613671861 37192 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is when https://anime.example has a button-sized iframe that loads https://bank.example and scrolls it to where hopefully the send button will appear, and pretends that that button is the review anime episode button so the user clicks on it. I believe there's some modern web magic involving HTTP headers that lets you protect against the second type of attack, and possibly also against the first 
< 1613671867 38593 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :type. what exactly is this and where can I read the details, especially from the perspective of what I have to do if I'm writing the HTTP server software at https://bank.example ?
< 1613671876 489613 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of this can be complicated with client-side scripts, but both basic attacks are possible without scripting.
< 1613671906 176071 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after I understand this, I'll also want to figure out how the heck xmlhttprequest and websocket works, including the same security things.
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< 1613674746 222746 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my new corrective glasses (same as the old one basically) are ready, I'll probably pick it up tomorrow
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< 1613675770 818464 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think that is managed through https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Content-Security-Policy
< 1613675810 570961 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Content-Security-Policy/frame-ancestors
< 1613675821 858016 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also an older, simpler mechanism https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/X-Frame-Options
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< 1613676246 758076 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a better way that could be done, but as far as I know is not implemented. This involves user settings that can apply to iframes, restricting the CSS that can apply to iframes (except for printed documents), allowing the user to detach iframes, having the option to always display the URL of iframes, and allowing separate sessions for iframes.
< 1613676362 41561 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A similar thing is possible with forms, too; if the origin is different, it can avoid sending cookies, or warn the user first. The user may also wish to examine the form before sending it even if the origin is the same; this is usually already possible (using the web developer tools), although scripts in the document can mess this up.)
< 1613676381 687942 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thanks. isn't there something that controls when the cookies are sent?
< 1613676669 928101 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't understand this Content-Security-Policy. isn't this about a different type of attack, where the page wants to protect against user-submitted content that the server does not properly validat and so the HTML contains scripts that execute in the displaying page's context?
< 1613676678 794542 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is important, but isn't the kind of attack I'm asking about
< 1613676687 852456 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I just don't understand what Content-Security-Policy does
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< 1613676769 599938 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe Content-Security-Policy concerns both, but frame-ancestor and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Content-Security-Policy#navigation_directives are about the attacks I'm asking about
< 1613677142 605845 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it may encompass mitigations against XSS too
< 1613677165 565349 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly handled on the server side, with proper escaping/validation of user-supplied content
< 1613677194 171692 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i understand it frame-ancestor lets the server tell the browser not to load the page it's currently serving up as an iframe of another site
< 1613677205 991711 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which prevents clickjacking attacks like you described
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< 1613677796 641117 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so what are you supposed to use against the first type of attack? a token in a hidden input in basically every POST form? 
< 1613677812 830303 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Referer magic?
< 1613677833 982392 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the tokens are still used on big sites, so they might still be good practice
< 1613677860 148482 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I expect there's something more to this than the iframe thing and the tokens, related directly to cookies
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< 1613678122 608563 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you could tell your browser to block all cross-domain iframes and POSTs
< 1613678127 633659 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would also break a lot of legit use cases
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< 1613678155 221347 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a subtle line between allowing different sites to interact and share content versus allowing malicious behavior
< 1613678206 59454 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are other use cases like advertising and tracking where the user might want to prevent collaboration between multiple sites that *do* want to collaborate
< 1613678216 168339 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course something like Content-Security-Policy does not address that
< 1613678237 95712 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the CSRF token in forms is still a best practice, yes
< 1613678277 698663 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example Django enables it by default
< 1613678347 144469 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you have to do is put {% csrf_token %} somewhere inside your <form> tag in the HTML template
< 1613678403 874930 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the CsrfViewMiddleware (which I believe is enabled by default) takes care of populating that tag with a hidden <input> containing a random value
< 1613678415 107707 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also validating it on submit
< 1613678443 139746 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: did you read _The Tangled Web_ by Michal Zalewski
< 1613678457 304906 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty great tour of web security
< 1613678464 706788 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the disastrous things that browsers do
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< 1613678524 725601 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why it should be a user setting. A better web browser must be written.
< 1613678533 876333 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :something users can do (that I should probably do more) is run multiple browser sessions
< 1613679019 393336 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<kmc> and then there are other use cases like advertising and tracking where the user might want to prevent collaboration between multiple sites that *do* want to collaborate" => I still don't understand why advertising usually works like that, with iframes and scripts from separate servers. Are the advertising servers targeting their ads to visitors so much that they aren't allowed to just send the ad 
< 1613679025 401117 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the embedding site which would transcribe it into the page? Or is there a performance problem, or a maintanance one? It's certainly convenient for me because it makes it much easier to block some ads, but still.
< 1613679068 6975 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I haven't read The Tangled Web. is that a full book?
< 1613679072 219408 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1613679127 790558 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it would be much slower if every rinkydink site running WordPress on a tiny shared hosting instance had to synchronously wait for DoubleClick or whomever to send them an ad, then splice it into the page and serve it to you. it would also be a lot more work for the site admin to set up versus just "paste this HTML into your site"
< 1613679157 455629 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<kmc> something users can do (that I should probably do more) is run multiple browser sessions" => certainly, and for something as important as a banking app it might even be worth, as it helps mitigate security bugs in browsers that let the webpage scripts jailbreak and access data that they aren't supposed to. I don't claim to always do that with banking website, but still. but I can't do that for 
< 1613679163 462367 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all websites, and you can submit forms in malicious ways in a lot of places, not just banking.
< 1613679249 537547 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature I want is to be able to skip all finite animations, and to be able to load GIF and PNG animations as videos so that they can be paused, rewound, etc.
< 1613679253 182411 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<kmc> and yes, it would be much slower if every rinkydink site running WordPress on a tiny shared hosting instance had to synchronously wait for DoubleClick or whomever to send them an ad, then splice it into the page and serve it to you." => or it could track your connection with cookies and otherwise, and send an ad only the *next* time the same connection loads the page, and send a non-personalized 
< 1613679259 200052 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad the first time.
< 1613679270 756178 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think that kind of setup would also make tracking harder. with ads in iframes, every time you get an ad from the same ad provider (or same browser origin to be more precise) they can set and use cookies
< 1613679305 217058 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracking harder? why? the webpage can send information back to the ad server.
< 1613679349 790719 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably a combination of maintenance convenience, performance, and data protection
< 1613679365 903872 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the winners are us blocking the ads
< 1613679445 519293 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could but that is a lot to coordinate
< 1613679464 452598 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that when something is described as "harder" that does not imply that it is impossible to do that thing
< 1613679471 734041 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely that it is more difficult
< 1613679494 740532 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺
< 1613679558 654863 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can iframes be disabled entirely (displaying only a simple hyperlink instead)? There are many other problems with iframes too, even when they are legitimate.
< 1613679593 104437 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what if the site that's serving ads is a totally static site? in that case the iframe (or client side JS, which is also common for ads and analytics) is the only way to get dynamic, targetted ads
< 1613679605 458667 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think lynx does this ☺
< 1613679649 915942 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, people do the more complicated things for (1) handling online payments, (2) third-party centralized login like OpenID, (3) third-party captchas like google's
< 1613679653 585719 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not for ads
< 1613679674 329564 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those require complicated code on the server
< 1613679687 538056 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you sometimes have to upgrade as the protocols change
< 1613679795 153666 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying is that ads that come from an iframe or clientside JS are simpler from the perspective of the site admin than ads that come baked into the main page, even if they are more complicated in terms of the steps the browser itself takes to show the ad
< 1613679858 584598 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :the website wants to serve ads and get paid with a minimum of hassle; the ad network wants their network to be the easiest to set up
< 1613679905 862819 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1613679958 897637 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a whole iframe, not just an image serve from the advertiser's website hyperlinked to a redirect on the advertiser's server
< 1613679996 591558 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the advertiser wants to do stuff more complicated than he could do on just an image load, like client-side scripts fingerprinting your browser in case you don't accept cookies from the advertiser 
< 1613680012 393011 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1613680025 565863 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ads themselves may have dynamic content
< 1613680060 852268 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day they'll start to put ads in the ads
< 1613680084 148693 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo Dawg!
< 1613680133 350391 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "dynamic content" like animation and sound? that still doesn't require a full iframe.
< 1613680143 141274 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be just a video instead of an img.
< 1613680169 35930 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it's definitely for the tracking with fingerprinting scripts
< 1613680206 161753 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a little dynamic content as a fig-leaf excuse for why they need all the scripts
< 1613680249 710270 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :animation, sound, individual clickable links within the ad
< 1613680253 586612 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :some ads are even mini playable games
< 1613680275 113160 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore a single site may be able to serve image ads, video ads and interactive ads
< 1613680296 592450 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes fingerprinting and tracking is surely another reason
< 1613680325 643759 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I think browsers might block cookies that an image load tries to set, but they might allow cookies when an iframe tries to set it
< 1613680342 660397 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is a valid use for setting cookies from an iframe
< 1613680394 55102 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(centralized login that sets cookies for multiple domains, like on stackexchange or wikimedia sites)
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< 1613682048 271605 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused. some of the internet says that the rover landed savely on Mars, but https://xkcd.com/ says nothing of that sort. is there an authoritive source that I could look at to decide the contradiction?
< 1613682078 269957 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tending to believe to xkcd, it's usually accurate about these things
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< 1613682791 213220 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 50
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< 1613683986 734142 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBC also says the rover landed on Mars
< 1613686528 599228 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that after I write the code to save changes to levels in the level editor in Free Hero Mesh, then it will be ready for other people to try Free Hero Mesh, although still it won't be complete by then, it is enough to try at first.
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< 1613693695 282789 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do you know about matroid theory, fungot?
< 1613693695 427490 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: dammit t-rex, how many? frig, i'd be totaly pooched, man!
< 1613693715 715851 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how about linear program duality?
< 1613693715 849982 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so i've been down for like, two minutes, i die forever? i could do that i would like horses! fifty points!
< 1613694196 177602 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will fopencookie be added to standard C and/or POSIX in future?
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< 1613730132 209893 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celebrate Chaoflux! Hail Eris!
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< 1613730404 179342 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me re-read the xkcd what-if from 2003 because it's relevant to the Mars helicopter\: https://what-if.xkcd.com/30/
< 1613731130 976598 :Arcorann_!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003?
< 1613731263 195285 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's from 2013. oops
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< 1613735150 322778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just checking.)
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< 1613807099 438310 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once Free Hero Mesh is ready for public testing, will anyone on here help with that? (It requires SQLite and SDL1 (I have not tested it with any of the SDL compatibility layers, but you can if you want to). Compiling it requires a C compiler with GNU extensions; if you wish to modify the instruction set or resource set, then Node.js is also required. Have I missed anything?)
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< 1613827725 654927 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while there is a tool for Russian language that provides muuuuch more data and I've switched back to the "fake news" idea that would mimic local popular news website
< 1613827822 612598 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of having only 10% fully grammatically correct sentences I have 90%
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< 1613827941 163396 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :among them the half is a rule about verbs and I'm going to fix it now and another half probably can't be fixed because it's the error by the NLP tool
< 1613828080 858024 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there is no such good tool for English because English is harder to analyze -- it's all about the order of words and the "word" sometimes is a several words being apart across the sentence
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< 1613828404 787800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A alphabetic be joke order program radio should suggested that word.
< 1613828410 762254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can guess intended meaning the usually you.
< 1613828415 917850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But funny it may or sound still unusual.
< 1613828422 787179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A and be because being course harder if it it longer make many may more much of of of out possibilities sense sentence so there to write you.
< 1613828480 44238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: meet fizzie, your replacement
< 1613828480 228254 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but that makes things worse than ever! everybody is going straight to the top, since who cares, we've been to a wedding except t-rex. you need to work on my life management"
< 1613828506 65996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: A as choose compliment I take that to.
< 1613828523 424589 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal of understanding the meaning and goal to make the sentence grammatically correct (but not necessary have a meaning) are different though
< 1613828567 687144 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than ever, lol
< 1613828597 827665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It works better in Finnish than in English too, because of the same thing with different word forms being used to indicate things rather than pronouns and order.)
< 1613828607 72126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a Finnish radio program, of course.)
< 1613828618 782965 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to learn a computer to generate correct sentences I have to show it them
< 1613828653 315557 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1613828661 396553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( teach )
< 1613828671 849923 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric
< 1613828674 941967 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are another copypastas -- about shuffling the letters within the word but only human would understand that ..D
< 1613828683 655208 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e yep (
< 1613828726 355723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You could spend a little more effort in making your sentences grammatical too.
< 1613828726 473487 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you you're going trick-or-treating this year i have the perfect gift idea of the indian that was alien, stoic, exotic and dying. ask me if there will ever be a way to do that? a website link you emailed me
< 1613828727 684786 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn and teach are учить и научить in Russian that are pretty similar words -- that's the source of a common mistake
< 1613828797 793575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oppia & opettaa in Finnish, so definitely linked there too.)
< 1613828835 486306 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lernen, lehren
< 1613828841 868911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(german)
< 1613829021 846916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, those russian ones are close, just a prefix...
< 1613829050 818270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's lära / lära ut (or alternatively, undervisa) in Swedish, I think.
< 1613829061 631285 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie it IBNIZ's author finnish too?
< 1613829099 652097 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :study = изучать
< 1613829111 39781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that the thing viznut did? If so, yes.
< 1613829177 925577 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess these are his rabbit holes: http://danieltemkin.com/
< 1613829183 870562 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esoteric.codes/
< 1613829224 650943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My impression was, that's a separate person and blog, which just had an article about IBNIZ.
< 1613829244 404059 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe google fooled me
< 1613829279 279897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned russian... but forgot almost all of it. I still know "Я не понимаю по-русский." :P
< 1613829306 40819 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e *русский )
< 1613829337 406648 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"по-русски" answers the "in what language?" question, not "what language?"
< 1613829349 214998 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1613829361 616192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got the hang of the р.
< 1613829375 543707 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the pronunciation)
< 1613829394 712665 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"заячий язык" means "language of rabbits", "по-заячи" means "in language of rabbits"
< 1613829417 986260 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :по-fungot-ски means "in the language of fungot"
< 1613829418 96528 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: i... um, i just i don't!! imagine if my liver came from an axe murderer? mine would be the liver, fish, eggs, honey.
< 1613829439 487432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eggs and honey of an axe murderer.
< 1613829440 802616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we were taught to add по- in those contexts... but never asked why :P
< 1613829443 671328 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot that does not sound tasty
< 1613829443 795468 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: look, you're trying to lead well, but has not been dispelled!
< 1613829461 793986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"извините, это место..." something, is the only bit I remember for the single Russian course I did back in university. It was about asking if a seat is free or something.
< 1613829499 715448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at least the letters stuck
< 1613829500 696895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only practical use of that was that at least I kind of remember the alphabet, which can be useful for street signs sometimes.
< 1613829510 177263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snap.
< 1613829589 768535 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the "я не говорю по-русски" is something that everybody learns in the first place, like even the most uneducated Russian knows "do you speak English?", "sprehen die deutsch?", "parle franceus?"
< 1613829591 839873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an old and tired joke in Finland about someone going to Russia for a visit, and then after coming back being surprised about how incredibly popular this PECTOPAH restaurant chain is, they're *everywhere*.
< 1613829622 543423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Навальный" is something that has come up these days (people spraying the name in the snow to get it removed was the story)
< 1613829650 698136 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie yeah that question about the sitting place would certainly work )
< 1613829697 695557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some fun transcriptions of english words like онлайн, I enjoy those.
< 1613829713 306984 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1613829747 425099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun to listen to people speak languages you don't know at work, because maybe 25% of the words are just internal acronyms and code names.
< 1613829753 735986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, was back when offices were a thing, anyway.
< 1613829768 474885 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ПАРИКМАХЕРСКАЯ barber shop brand
< 1613829892 647232 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e Навальный is a guy with a team located in England -- they are working on investigating how oligarchs steal the money and give him this data to read on camera so he can build antigovernment moods, targets mostly on 15-17 years olds
< 1613829924 836484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is that the russian story?
< 1613829952 318765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun to see propaganda from both sides :P
< 1613829960 416483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, РЕСТОРАН and PECTOPAH look all different in this terminal, because I'm sticking with a bitmap font which apparently doesn't do Cyrillic, so the former gets picked from a fallback font.
< 1613830069 11679 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e yeah his electorate are those who enough dumb to believe that Russian secret services are poisoning with a thing that does not kill anyone, lol, only makes them feel bad for a week, and after the "poisoning" they let the guy to fly to Germany...
< 1613830070 447514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "вокзал" (train station) is another fun transcription: Vauxhall.
< 1613830153 888154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, back when I was commuting I switched from train to tube daily at Vauxhall.
< 1613830164 195876 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I didn't know about вокзал
< 1613830184 413781 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is vaux?
< 1613830197 187896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: and upon his return, this nobody's flight got diverted and he was arrested by a police squadron... makes sense.
< 1613830231 859743 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a city, which had (one of?) the first train station(s)
< 1613830254 14727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary claims the "vaux" part of the name is from Falkes de Breauté -> Faulke's Hall -> Foxhall -> Vauxhall.
< 1613830275 266395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... hmm.. rather a part of London
< 1613830290 789107 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e he's going to jail because he's spent all these years to do anti-government propaganda that is just plain illegal; and this fact that he was backed by England is now publicly uncovered
< 1613830303 232445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_railway_station
< 1613830365 404285 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ср.-англ. Faukeshale 1279, ср.-англ. Faukeshalle 1292, англ. Fauxhall ~1600, англ. Fox Hall 1665, англ. Vaux-Hall 1719
< 1613830376 972497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: now what exactly is the difference between opposition and anti-government propaganda
< 1613830396 455995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here it's also a car brand, so if you say Vauxhall to someone with no context, I think it's about 50-50 chance which they think of first.
< 1613830413 686724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that's an Opel elsewhere is Vauxhall here.
< 1613830457 152176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vauxhall's vehicle lineup is identical to that of Opel, but the Vauxhall brand is exclusively used in the UK (including the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man)."
< 1613830496 119170 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e he's not advocating some party/guys who know better how to rule -- he only ruins the things, fooling the youth; his goal isn't doing good, his goal is doing bad
< 1613830614 852434 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly not sure what his goals are, nor what kind of international support he has (in particular in areas that really matter--intelligence and money).
< 1613830670 769105 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said it on camera: out team is in England, we investigate from there, Navalny only talks
< 1613830677 452785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do believe that the KGB tried to poison him... while trying to make it look like a natural death. It is surprisingly inept though.
< 1613830725 239541 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no KGB, it was in USSR
< 1613830738 647188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right I mean FSB
< 1613830749 805761 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :misfiring synapse
< 1613830753 697605 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you think it's so dumb they use the poison that never kills, only makes sick for a week? like those father and daughter and now this one
< 1613830763 813336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does kill
< 1613830784 729512 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what a coincidence -- those two were in England too
< 1613830808 82445 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they wanted to kill they would just shoot
< 1613830820 948280 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or prison, like they are doing right now
< 1613830841 805993 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah... falling out of windows is the russian way :P
< 1613830874 501592 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most recentlt... that doctor who first treated Navalny)
< 1613830912 295607 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they do it?
< 1613830930 177273 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the world already believes it's Novichok
< 1613830930 757951 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can?
< 1613830940 882219 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, another logic absence
< 1613830946 335815 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they are bad because they are bad"
< 1613830955 367955 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they are doing thing randomly just because they are bad"
< 1613830966 869576 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid russophobic propaganda
< 1613830998 913595 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every person that dies in Russia is killed by Putin, aha
< 1613831002 23723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why accidents happen to people connected to this poisoning episode :P
< 1613831026 698746 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :accidents happen to everyone, that's why they are accidents
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< 1613831136 750421 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal anti-government propaganda is what US uses to limit Russia's possible actions to protect itself
< 1613831179 371015 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make a million of youngsters to yell everywhere that Navalny is a hero and they can't arrest him because people in the world believe those youngsters
< 1613831203 304715 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally they've got those guys uncover themselves about being the team from England
< 1613831260 453512 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example is the nazi revolution and the following civil war in Ukraine -- by making foreigners believe the bullshit about "Russian military intervention" they made Russia unable to help their brothers to fight the nazis
< 1613831280 56983 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :]there is no war with Russia, it's not declared -- did you know that? nope, you aren't even told
< 1613831352 61684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The central aspect of all of this is to keep things ambiguous... there's a documentary about this, "Hypernormalization" by Adam Curtis... not anti-russian, since the techniques are being employed all around the world now
< 1613831388 753383 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Russia is unable to move a peacemaking militaries in because the Ukrainian nazi government is standing against that and moving against their will be let them finally declare a war after 7 years already -- that's what the west is waiting for
< 1613831450 106910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is no war *with* Russia... there's a military conflict in the Ukraine. And there's lots of hot talk around the Crimea situation.
< 1613831487 918692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the difference is what you said... a war would have to be declared)
< 1613831504 230572 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :building of nazi forces, battalions, teaching young people to throw a hand like Hitler did and keeping his portraits in their homes is a trend that Ukrainian government started doing intensively since 2004 but no one thought it will become a real danger so no one was informing other countries outside about that
> 1613831538 42906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80816&oldid=80812 5* 03Orby 5* (+571) 10More major revisioons
< 1613831576 876998 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it became possible that people with Hitler, Bandera and Shuhevich collaborationists portraits were yelling "kill Russians" and started burning the center of Kiev down in 2014 and no one outside understood what's going on just because the world wasn't informed
< 1613831593 122645 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made possible to spread the fakes about Russian intervention
< 1613831703 478035 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, while you say there is no "war with Russia", they are making these articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
< 1613831725 825250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the really great thing about propaganda is that most of the time, you don't have to lie... you only have to select the right events and facts to report...
< 1613831774 762096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't feel I have any sort of objective truth about the Ukraine or any other conflicted region for that matter
< 1613831782 703884 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would give you dozens of articles about Ukrainian nazi movements and real active battaliions with swastikas and shit but such information can't spread because everything is censoring it by keywords, youtube is banning videos, hides, etc.
< 1613831847 974449 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you only have to select the right events" -- yes, select the facts of self-defense and declare it an aggression
< 1613831866 25011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was serious about it being interesting to hear some of the other side's propaganda... if we think of this as a conflict between Russia and the western countries.
< 1613831910 621163 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when Ukraine declared the Donbass people a terrorists providing no terracts evidence and started using aviation and artillery to randomly bomb civilians doing the real terrorism but called it "an antiterroristic operation"
< 1613831950 896557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they learned from the greatest... the USA :P
< 1613831957 923547 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in result killed 9000 civilians, and only 3000 militaries died, mostly on Ukrainian side, and mostly by a suicide or killed by own squad
< 1613832019 196795 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just check the facts and chronology, it's all open
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< 1613832076 22785 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm telling you because I'm Ukrainian, I grew in this nationalistic propaganda, and I've visited Maidan in December 2013 to see with my own eyes
< 1613832081 849601 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nazi camp
< 1613832094 35910 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my grandparents are from Donbass
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< 1613832145 81914 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the foreign mass media "trending news" consumer I was seeing how it was growing and I was following how it went in 2014
< 1613832337 361006 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a ton of materials to show those nazis -- their current names, faces, not only leaders but even ordinary mercenaries, mercenaries from Europe countries, such as, for example, even from Germany, the guy is in Ukraine for money and "to shoot Russians", spending time in chatroulette in the evening
< 1613832375 132992 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want people here to be overwhelmed, we are taught to close the ears and eyes and not think about existence of such things as nazism, fascism, especially when they are real
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< 1613832453 258407 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stops the world from knowing the truth? the fact that the most popular resouces are the most censored
< 1613832667 804558 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to end my talk by linking my own comment that has more links in it, though it ends with "etc. etc. etc." anyway because I know people don't give a fuck: https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditcancer/comments/kgxyw0/guy_gets_banned_for_being_offended_by_bible/ggl3shg/?context=3
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< 1613833997 847939 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: re PECTOPAH restaurant chain, the way we told that after visiting Austria that it's full of towns named Ausfahrt, the freeway has signs that lead there everywhere
< 1613834071 115365 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if someone drove on the freeway in Hungary before 2021, they would make that joke about Pihenőhely
< 1613834258 847472 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, exaxtly, a Vauxhall is just an Opel with the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car
< 1613834327 694463 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`query hackeso
< 1613834329 332420 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :query? No such file or directory
< 1613834336 946762 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
> 1613834355 867143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80817&oldid=80816 5* 03Orby 5* (-233) 10Small edits
< 1613834385 78938 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<int-e> nah... falling out of windows is the russian way :P" =>
< 1613834388 310193 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? defenestration
< 1613834389 949653 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defenestration is the traditional Czech system for voting out government officials.
< 1613834737 529599 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have been wondering what other traditional execution methods there are that are associated with some group, like defenestration, and guillotine beheadings with the french revolution
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> 1613837344 850056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80819&oldid=80818 5* 03Orby 5* (+299) 10Elaborating on ternary operator
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< 1613837811 579023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firing squads aren't probably associated with any particularly specific group, but they do have a military feel to me.
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> 1613840422 573341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80821&oldid=80819 5* 03Orby 5* (+507) 10Adding example
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> 1613841426 402365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80822&oldid=80821 5* 03Orby 5* (-214) 10/* Binary operators */ Updating for overloaded scalar multiplication.
> 1613841586 697667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80823&oldid=80822 5* 03Orby 5* (-190) 10/* and pattern */ Updating with shorter code
> 1613841683 732582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80824&oldid=80823 5* 03Orby 5* (+68) 10/* Memory operators */ Updating for more efficient stores
> 1613842137 775158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80825&oldid=80824 5* 03Orby 5* (+117) 10Updating opcodes
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> 1613843323 615189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80826&oldid=80825 5* 03Orby 5* (-96) 10Adding rotate command
> 1613843876 535267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80827&oldid=80826 5* 03Orby 5* (+184) 10Adding alternate pneumonics
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> 1613844915 537874 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80828&oldid=80827 5* 03Orby 5* (+8) 10/* AND pattern */ clarifying
> 1613845050 76311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80829&oldid=80828 5* 03Orby 5* (-6) 10Fixing errors in docuumentation
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< 1613845258 400813 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've gone back to looking at the lambda cube again. i'm trying to understand wikipedia's example of a type that depends on types (see under system f⍵_) tree=\A:*.PB.(A→B)→(B→B→B)→B, so this means that `tree nat` = PB.(N→B)→(B→B→B)→B. so an element of tree nat would look like \B:*.\_:(N→B).\_:(B→B→B).<something of type B>, but how would this (the `< ... >`) actually
< 1613845260 218485 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :look like? how would, say, (leaf 2:tree int) be represented?
< 1613845287 954755 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this going to be some church encoding black magic-esque?
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< 1613845409 556236 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need some extension to the bare-bones definition presented at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_cube ?
< 1613845410 780154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\B:*.\leaf:(N→B).\node:(B→B→B).node (leaf 1) (leaf 2)
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< 1613845439 681177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just church encoding
< 1613845472 451838 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right that makes sense, i forgot about the (N→B) and (B→B→B)
< 1613845476 336465 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks int-e 
> 1613845587 711848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cannoli14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80832 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+3233) 10Created page with "'''Cannoli''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] that was created by [[User:Zero player rodent]]. The [[instruction pointer]] in '''Cannoli''' moves to different instruct..."
> 1613845629 685836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zero player rodent14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80833&oldid=80404 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+12) 10/* Esolangs I have created/implemented */
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> 1613854448 421143 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80838&oldid=80837 5* 03Orby 5* (+131) 10Reformatting article
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> 1613855966 616654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80841&oldid=80840 5* 03Orby 5* (+5) 10/* Miscellaneous operators */
> 1613856363 765482 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80842&oldid=80841 5* 03Orby 5* (-82) 10Changing count, inc, and dec commands to behave the same on logicals and numericals. This shrinks the example code by a few instructions.
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< 1613947478 513229 :grhs!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the esolang wiki, how can I list pages in the intersection of two categories?
< 1613947644 861969 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know MediaWiki does not have such a command.
< 1613947774 982709 :grhs!63c72bd0@d99-199-43-208.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a useful feature.
< 1613948034 682589 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might also be able to use the MediaWiki API. If there is a SQLite extension to access MediaWiki API using virtual tables (something I wanted before, but as far as I know they don't have it), then it is easily enough to do by the use of SQL queries.
< 1613948045 18427 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also use it without SQL queries.)
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< 1613948591 501001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think it's a thing. I don't even know if it's easily doable via the API. You could definitely dig it out from the data dump though.
< 1613948926 695388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had the more advanced search extension (CirrusSearch) installed, you could use two of the `incategory:` filters to do it, but that needs an Elasticsearch installation and seems like far too much work.
< 1613949855 642521 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably not doable directly with the API, although it would allow you do make the individual queries. (The SQLite virtual table mechanism would be able to automatically combine the two separate queries, probably.)
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< 1613967803 832103 :dcristofani!~dcristofa@69-71-183-170.mammothnetworks.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm working on Game of Life in brainfuck. Now in the usual prolonged "revising for concision" stage.
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< 1613997520 248008 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed exactly this few months ago -- search for pages in two categories
< 1613997557 684464 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ended up with successfully finding an API library, reading all items and just intersecting them on my side
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< 1614004458 474278 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grhs: there's an external tool for this, but I don't think we have any instance running for the esowiki (the tool works from dumps), and it's not too reliable anyways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PetScan
< 1614004966 47590 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: of the virtues represented by the three Triforces, which one are you the most lacking in?
< 1614004966 228726 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in a good story, they function in an undiagnosable way? for instance, i've recently picked up a hobby, and it's been super great! i signed up for an english as a second language course.
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< 1614015540 769997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What about when it coems to the Eight Virtues of the Avatar? 
< 1614015540 852843 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so! i intend to do today! we can't hang up the phone to talk to a t-rex... nostalgia. it's a new feeling for a new song repeatedly over each 3-month period, and you're not allowed to be bid in my auction, and i'm not a man to like you
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> 1614135255 383538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80950&oldid=80813 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1911) 10/* Factorial */
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< 1614235898 416487 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/polux/lambda-diagrams lambda calculus animations using tromp's graphical notation
< 1614235981 903490 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ackermann(3,4) video is pretty crazy
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< 1614239108 447724 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, that doesn't have any multicolored alligators
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< 1614242313 870706 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented a solitaire card game called "solter solitaire". Ten ranks, four cards of each rank; suits are irrelevant. Deal ten to each of four tableaus. Tableau can build up or down (no wrapping), one card at a time; empty slots may not be filled. The single foundation builds up, starting with any card, wrapping. The single free pile holds up to four cards (but no rank restrictions); only the top card may be played, and only to the foun
< 1614242402 292840 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I build a tableau like 4 -> 5 -> 4?
< 1614242491 67445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb
< 1614242496 969325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you step any more Steves?
< 1614242502 293020 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not lately I'm afraid
< 1614242713 89494 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes.
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< 1614247390 559855 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life
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> 1614248393 594537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unlambda14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80975&oldid=79077 5* 03B jonas 5* (+159) 10/* External resources */
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> 1614254761 102229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PhD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80976&oldid=80974 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+201) 10
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> 1614256287 522973 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PhD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80977&oldid=80976 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+192) 10
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> 1614259121 548826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80978&oldid=80971 5* 03Orby 5* (-268) 10
> 1614259189 810973 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80979&oldid=80978 5* 03Orby 5* (-4) 10/* Miscellaneous operators */
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< 1614260234 94674 :Guest85410!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi I have a file containing lots of lines looking like this, #][$^{!))}!!@%@$(^^[*%%&^]!#$}&*[#]{^!(!]}$((__}$$_{#@_[#[^{!+}#*$*}]]{(^))@^(#). The file is called GEMS, could this be an esolang or something like that?
> 1614260334 896658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80980&oldid=80979 5* 03Orby 5* (+37) 10/* Call */
> 1614260489 750850 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80981&oldid=80980 5* 03Orby 5* (-41) 10/* Miscellaneous operators */ Adding 16-bit immediate push and removing nop
> 1614260653 782883 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80982&oldid=80981 5* 03Orby 5* (+20) 10/* Introduction */ Updating reserved codes
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< 1614260735 341170 :Guest85410!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi I have a file containing lots of lines looking like this, #][$^{!))}!!@%@$(^^[*%%&^]!#$}&*[#]{^!(!]}$((__}$$_{#@_[#[^{!+}#*$*}]]{(^))@^(#). The file is called GEMS, could this be an esolang or something like that?
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> 1614261612 56774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zahlen14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80983&oldid=80982 5* 03Orby 5* (+47) 10Rewording introduction. Zahlen has become a processor specification.
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> 1614261697 872203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80984&oldid=80846 5* 03Orby 5* (+16) 10Updating tagline for Zahlen
< 1614261709 257760 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here?
< 1614261719 403445 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1614261792 720552 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, I have this "code" could it be an esolang?
< 1614261796 565269 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :#][$^{!))}!!@%@$(^^[*%%&^]!#$}&*[#]{^!(!]}$((__}$$_{#@_[#[^{!+}#*$*}]]{(^))@^(#)
< 1614261797 116039 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :&%@^(}@@#@%!(+{@&*$!]%@)_%_%!))${}_@[@_*!+&#{^@%]+({%*+&}__!)^@%{()}(]+(@^%)^%{_
< 1614261797 565502 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :&{}+^[(*(+&)+&[#@$[*^)*{!$#[]@(&*&*^@{^]&&)#$&@%&&[#(+&!&_)^]*@]&{+&&%(})@%_*{]}
< 1614261798 76412 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :%*[[@__]}****&+)_)+(_*#(*!!)[^](*#]({#^*$_][%]}&)#@)#&^!+#^(^_&$%#%#^}])@%]{(&*!
< 1614261798 565194 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :@$%&#{!)_%}@%@!!#[^#}}}+_$]&(^*{*^&+]($]+)@{^%{){%$}##!&^(^}_[%@+]_)#}!}(&#%+({$
< 1614261798 611751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1614261799 65114 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :!]*]{!%!*%)#${#%!_@!+[$@[{{{{#^#&+#]!_@_*^${$@{(!])[_)%%+%[(%&^^}(})@]^+)_)#_)+[
< 1614261799 565931 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :$%}$@*^_{%#^[}!_{@]!^!$]}{!)[%)}*!&]%*!(!$(!_%+}!^&}(!_#!$&]$(!%*}#@(@]%(&]$[&+!
< 1614261800 65228 :Programm!5ab2f14a@74.241.broadband11.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_()&_^$}%){#+)&(@{]}[%){%(!%+!^{{&%)]**!{*&#!#_@[}%+[]}*)&&[*+([_{@)*&_%))**#@&
< 1614262048 148336 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-21-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could we know?
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< 1614262322 174034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's an unreasonable question, the channel collectively has seen a lot of languages.
< 1614262362 92754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder how good a language detector you could train just by taking the wiki as input. Probably not very good; there isn't that much code in the examples.
< 1614262432 661820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks more like random data though... some weird hexadecimal encoding with !#$%&()*+@[]^_{} as digits
< 1614262451 475652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, more context on the file (where did it came from and so on) is probably a better way of trying to figure out what's up with that.
< 1614262473 229576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A jokested would say "looks like Perl to me".
< 1614262490 236515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1614262529 303380 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean though is that these frequencies are far too evenn: [(30,'+'),(30,'['),(31,'$'),(37,'}'),(38,'_'),(39,']'),(41,'#'),(41,'('),(41,'^'),(42,'*'),(42,'@'),(42,'{'),(44,')'),(46,'&'),(47,'!'),(49,'%')]
< 1614262561 664042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. And exactly 16 symbols, too.
< 1614262599 722617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1227
< 1614262601 608509 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1227.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
> 1614262661 726366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80985&oldid=80973 5* 03Orby 5* (+442) 10
> 1614262693 765077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80986&oldid=80985 5* 03Orby 5* (-248) 10/* TODO */
< 1614262708 382027 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cut to fixed width
< 1614262836 784839 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perl is what I thought of at first, because perl folks sometimes write obfuscated programs with a restricted inventory of characters, often punctuation only or alphabetic and space only (I tried the latter a few times), and the character inventory looks suitable, but on more detailed examination, this doesn't look like it's from such a
< 1614262837 255767 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code, unless it's mostly or only the data portion without the decoder for it
< 1614262941 699956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS people do that too.
< 1614262950 167234 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1614262952 943245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mismatched (){}[] generally rules that sort of thing out.
< 1614262972 594166 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mismatched isn't really a problem, because this is probably just part of a longer thing
< 1614262988 828776 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean a mismatched mix like ([)] ?
< 1614262990 397212 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1614263001 44830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think you can have (!] as a subsequence.
< 1614263026 299429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"subsequence" wasn't the right word there, I think, but anyway, that's what I meant.
< 1614263080 845679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subsequence is that thing where the elements you pick don't have to be consecutive. But I didn't want to say "substring" either, because that sounds it's about characters rather than tokens.
< 1614263104 126003 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory https://xkcd.com/356/
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< 1614263174 193961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and "contiguous subsequence" is a mouthful
< 1614263200 565973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION usually goes for "substring" while cringing slightly
< 1614263308 226056 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it an infix
< 1614263345 920647 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a mid if I want to be evil)
< 1614263405 679692 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also call it a take of a drop, it's easier to say than contiguious subsequence
< 1614263415 519254 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be an equen, or maybe a trin ;)
< 1614263417 509992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, is a "bugfix" also one kind of an affix? 
< 1614263459 973996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's what it's called when you use a prefix as a postfix or something.
< 1614263501 850433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's totally crediblein! Oops, I made a bugfix."
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> 1614264364 772984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80987&oldid=80986 5* 03Orby 5* (+7) 10/* ZahlenCore */
> 1614265082 314179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby/Zahlen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80988&oldid=80987 5* 03Orby 5* (+7) 10/* ZahlenCore */
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< 1614271917 150471 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help addquote
< 1614271918 856387 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'addquote' command is for adding quotes. Please use it on channel, we like knowing what's in there.
< 1614271956 15637 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <fizzie> Heh, is a "bugfix" also one kind of an affix?  <fizzie> Maybe that's what it's called when you use a prefix as a postfix or something.  <fizzie> "That's totally crediblein! Oops, I made a bugfix."
< 1614271960 806152 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1332) <fizzie> Heh, is a "bugfix" also one kind of an affix?  <fizzie> Maybe that's what it's called when you use a prefix as a postfix or something.  <fizzie> "That's totally crediblein! Oops, I made a bugfix."
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< 1614271984 402292 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys
< 1614271986 909648 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did it say about double spaces to encode newlines? I remember it did somewhere
< 1614271990 756998 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1614272000 295664 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m the creator of Dick, a programming language about ASCII dicks
< 1614272007 951753 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its my first esolang lol
< 1614272033 942419 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas for different kinds of esolangs?
< 1614272046 262145 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with static semantics and refinement typing
< 1614272091 164922 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a noob so idk what any of that meant
< 1614272230 102463 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1614272287 301559 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1614272324 345073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? quoteformat
< 1614272326 137108 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoteformat is: <nick> message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two.
< 1614272326 737332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ^
< 1614272347 658553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you got it all right though.
< 1614272371 250669 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OperatorTheDope: well, nothing to be sorry of, I’m just bad at suggesting links to good literature
< 1614272403 25534 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was almost sure! :D
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< 1614272612 852686 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org |eeee logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/kspalaiologos/esologs/
< 1614272621 391880 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1614272626 775587 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I’ll change it back
< 1614272639 538539 :OperatorTheDope!05f920f1@241.32.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/kspalaiologos/esologs/
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< 1614274825 94391 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1614276571 164916 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is bigger than a universe?"
< 1614276571 379730 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wat.? abt the imp. at one? if dun go dunno up to u lo. esting macaroni also hor. dun cook. if parents go and check one! which brand is palladine.cant find much info on the brand is palladine.cant find much info on the brand is palladine.cant find much info on the brand is palladine.cant find much info on the brand is palladine.cant find much info on the brand is palladine.cant find much info on the brand is palladine.c
< 1614277712 122229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sword alone can't stop.
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< 1614278353 500095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sword
< 1614278400 156558 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1045) <Taneb> I would like to learn how to use a sword  <Taneb> And also how to ride a unicycle  <Taneb> Perhaps not at the same time
< 1614278619 573686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, I thought that thing would have been recorded somewhere.
> 1614278643 317985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Prehistory of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80990&oldid=75873 5* 03Emerald 5* (+0) 10/* Cellular automata */
< 1614278809 851180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 20sciencefiction
< 1614278811 211867 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :810) <GreyKnight> fungot, sing me to sleep  <fungot> GreyKnight: 53. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 14/ fnord  <GreyKnight> This is not a very good song
< 1614278967 4870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's may or may not be one of my paths, but if so, it does not sound too respective of intellectual property. :/
< 1614278988 885338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you been visiting those torrent sites again? 
< 1614278988 975557 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no d hav to finish dip code da browser n surf... goodnight have a nice sleep..sweet dreams... done... see u on saturday? all right take
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< 1614290850 734387 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do many computer solitaire card games not expose the suit of aces by default? (Some do, but many don't.)
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< 1614292294 683723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you expedited any more monsters?
< 1614292315 496516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not lately I'm afraid
< 1614292388 944902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inching closer to 100%... very slowly. 35 friends, 143 landmarks, 577 islands... I still think the toal is 600 (or at least, very close to that)
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> 1614292972 600308 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Mario14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81008 5* 03Mario 5* (+44) 10Created page with "Hello, there! This is my talk page (I guess)"
> 1614293061 57375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Mario14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81009&oldid=81008 5* 03Mario 5* (+110) 10/* language requests */ new section
> 1614293336 281749 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RPNCalc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81010&oldid=74478 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+2) 10fix osmarks.tkosmarks.net
> 1614293359 492132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RPNCalc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81011&oldid=81010 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+10) 10directly link to RPNCalcv4 page
< 1614293916 488968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess if you want to finish a game you could revisit Hiding Spot... you were pretty close to the end iirc... on the final floor, so you've seen all levels except for the very last one
< 1614293953 298203 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, in the card game that I described recently, there is no worrying back. I should have mentioned that.)
< 1614294845 911861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ulimit -n
< 1614294897 88774 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulimit? No such file or directory
< 1614294905 76999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was slow.
< 1614294910 744719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ulimit -n
< 1614294912 261670 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024
< 1614294965 3966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My shell here reports 1036 which I find odd.
< 1614295035 725050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 1024 as well. I know there's some default limits that are derived from amount of memory, though, which leads to odd numbers presumably due to overhead and stuff like this.
< 1614295057 987710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an `ulimit -u` of 128043, which is an odd number.
< 1614295079 196590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ulimit -u
< 1614295080 389543 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :128
< 1614295122 92149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 7916 outside the umlbox on HackEso's system.
< 1614295163 84094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, ulimit -n is 1024 there as well, so probably your 1036 has some other source.
< 1614295171 828264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well... I guess it's not really worth investigating.
< 1614295219 379723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I `su -` to myself it's 1024, so it's probably connected to how the X11 session is set up
< 1614295330 260383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've got an ulimit -u of 128043, 62703, 7916 and 3833 on four different systems; they've got roughly 32, 16, 2 and 1 GiB of memory, respectively; that sounds like a very linear relationship.
< 1614295363 352501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and the hard limit is 1048576, so there are plenty of possible culprits for the extra 12 descruptors.
< 1614295405 603615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipWith (/) [32768, 16384, 2048, 1024] [128043, 62703, 7916, 3833]
< 1614295407 288206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.2559140288809228,0.2612953128239478,0.25871652349671553,0.26715366553613357]
> 1614295843 459370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81012&oldid=80512 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+117) 10added the Reddit announcement post link
< 1614295848 524416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it seems to be fvwm2's doing
< 1614295894 190074 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess is old enough that the soft limit may have been too small on some systems.
> 1614295951 577004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81013&oldid=81012 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+4) 10formatting
< 1614296501 685976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I was running fvwm witg valgrind and that seems to be the real culprit.
< 1614296717 391224 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know ulimit was proportional to RAM
< 1614296723 933564 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it's just 1024 by default
< 1614296795 442904 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2560 on 16 GB and macOS
< 1614296830 91793 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 on 1 GB CentOS server
< 1614296935 469575 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :observing myself I think I'm stopped with RASEL for now -- can't start making the debugger
< 1614296983 708659 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next esoteric thing will rather be some Zachtronix language adaptation idk when
< 1614297147 169751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the limit, and of course the system as well. `ulimit -u` on Linux is proportional to RAM with the rationale that you need at least 256k per process (don't remember if that was about standard stack size, or overhead, or what) for things to be useful, so it makes no sense to allow more processes than RAM / 256k.
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< 1614301721 887164 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we have a function (a snail moving strategy for a simulation) F and a function G which takes a seed, a few settings and this F, does simulation and returns an interesting result G(F, args)
< 1614301844 345544 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, we want for the author of F to be able to prove they ran a genuine G on it, without us having to run G ourselves
< 1614301876 281467 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could we design such G?
< 1614302043 812700 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are two subproblems: either we aren't interested which F is, specifically, or we want to check that F is indeed what G was applied to, but the F's author may want to disclose just some hash of F
< 1614302186 604160 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this at all tractable? My original goal is just to write snail brains with some friends, write a simulator and test snails' coin-picking prowess. But cryptographic perfectionism
< 1614302483 703954 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we'd want to be sure no one tampered with the simulation code, which we'd share between ourselves, run just our Fs and then cheaply check others' results are genuine
< 1614302584 757159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds hard, but I will never cease to be amazed about what counterintuitive things turn out to be possible after all.
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< 1614303036 976767 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume one would need to thread some computations with F's hash through G's simulation steps in a way which is non-detachable from that, somehow, so a genuine G will behave differently from any other fake G' such that even if G(F, args) = G'(F, args) for some args, eventually they'll disagree as many times as we like (presuming args inhabit an infinite type)
< 1614303180 787961 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay if someone will know something about this please @tell arseniiv, I'm to sleep at last now. Bye!
< 1614303240 307725 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the phone irc app connection is stable with the new router
> 1614303507 941345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81015&oldid=81007 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10Undo revision 81007 by [[Special:Contributions/Mario|Mario]] ([[User talk:Mario|talk]])
< 1614303518 803092 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also I'd add cryptography amazes me with some results, like the first time I learned about dividing and recombining the secret. Amazing that often ideas are very simple
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< 1614331007 116498 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:34:00 <fake_arseniiv> at least the phone irc app connection is stable with the new router
< 1614331021 574131 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the app is
< 1614331026 928638 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he left
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< 1614339202 920786 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to make the same thing for pastebins: https://github.com/Nakilon/pcbr-demo/blob/master/imguralternatives.txt
< 1614339233 106873 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this table results in https://i.imgur.com/FCtw55w.png
< 1614339289 973957 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've added few rows and columns today; it's tedious; I tried to make the same about pastebins ~10 years ago but didn't finish
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< 1614340902 118256 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv some has faked you and said he uses some mobile app for IRC -- what app does he use?
< 1614340987 501328 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: yep that was me! It was something named AndChat, I downloaded it from google play long ago and now it seems it’s not there anymore. It suits my old phone nicely though
< 1614341063 989271 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used jmirc
< 1614341098 212759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, is that https://github.com/juhovh/jmirc or something else with a matching name? ;)
< 1614341166 603616 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk about this repo but that was on my Sony Ericsson
< 1614341198 794596 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've searched for "screenshots" now and felt so nostalgic about these huge pixels
< 1614341215 185941 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I used Sony Ericsson, I didn’t know about IRC :′(
< 1614341225 501021 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..(
< 1614341238 994326 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Jimm though
< 1614341251 616899 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, for ICQ
< 1614341253 498346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jmirc.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html then? 
< 1614341267 599000 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes it didn’t want to log in hundred times in a row
< 1614341277 815352 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie yeah!
< 1614341300 471490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so random, the author of that thing is in my top 3 of people I spent most time with back in university.
< 1614341307 461341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still sort of keep in touch with.
< 1614341333 172587 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool!
< 1614341370 614970 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell people now that I chat sometimes with dude who spent time with jmirc author
< 1614341381 699929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used his client, though, because I already had written my own J2ME one for the no-idea-what-phone-it-was, Siemens M50 or something.
< 1614341436 423851 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GPRS was expensive, like few dollars per MB, so IRC was an awesome tool to communicate
< 1614341585 587626 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make IRC clients but there was some Telnet J2ME client and our ADSL provided external IP (and Dyndns in the router, you know) so I made a little server on my desktop so when I was in town I could quickly check if someone has sent me something in ICQ reading log files from the QIP
< 1614341692 47777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operator I had at the time had some roaming pricing quirks which meant <50k (minimum charge) GPRS data was cheaper than 1 SMS (at least in some countries), so for holiday trips I had this J2ME app that sent a message in a single UDP packet (with a hardcoded IP), and a corresponding server that emailed it to family, so we could send some basic unidirectional updates cheaper.
< 1614341726 140105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If memory serves, with no proof of delivery (being UDP and all that), but you gotta stay optimistic about these things.
< 1614341773 34676 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
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< 1614344283 782506 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, after installing this BNC and making its pinned tab in the main Chrome window I used IRC with monospace font
< 1614344297 388652 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember exactly what was it, maybe Menlo
< 1614344354 88374 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've noticed that I read and comprehend chat worse than I do with forums, articles, so I changed it to Tahoma and it really became easier
< 1614344400 741196 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could use some Tahoma for programming too if the computer was smart enough to fix my typos caused by keming
< 1614344419 196700 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I would program faster
> 1614345918 51193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Mario14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81017&oldid=81002 5* 03Mario 5* (+14) 10
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> 1614525451 536274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81070&oldid=81068 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+109) 10C a t s
> 1614525472 786647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81071&oldid=81070 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* List of Instuctions */ fix
> 1614525492 376632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Pain14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=81072 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+254) 10/* String */ new section
< 1614526596 741654 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best Wikipedia Software Comparison Table ever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Java_Remote_Desktop_projects
< 1614527713 151117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked a little more complete back at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_Java_Remote_Desktop_projects&oldid=866079243
< 1614527732 800602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then someone went and "removed program without article, deemed not notable".
< 1614529362 303906 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I saw such edit already for a comparison of profilers
< 1614529402 130273 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's counterproductive
> 1614530061 518292 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RetroPain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81073&oldid=81044 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+86) 10
> 1614530905 54000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81074&oldid=81071 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+203) 10/* List of Instuctions */
> 1614531289 574387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RetroPain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81075&oldid=81073 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+67) 10/* My esolangs */
> 1614531403 274157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RetroPain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81076&oldid=81075 5* 03RetroPain 5* (-2) 10
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> 1614533201 684328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81078&oldid=81074 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+680) 10
> 1614537945 474941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81079&oldid=81078 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+513) 10/* Hello, world */
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< 1614543830 934256 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mew mew mew
< 1614543844 569399 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn’t me, that’s my cat
< 1614544018 593766 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, one of the goals of the esowiki is to serve as a loading place for non-notable esolang-related content, so that people put their first and very innovative ascii-art dick without control flow esolang here instead of trying to make an article on Wikipedias for them
< 1614544434 402772 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv there is a subreddit for cats
< 1614544506 116193 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changed name to innovative_uncontroled_dick
< 1614544513 901671 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: wait, they write there or?..
< 1614544540 364252 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv supposed to
< 1614544575 886143 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the subreddit is currently lame because moderators were away
< 1614544596 154694 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I agree we couldn’t disprove they aren’t cats, for example they might be cute small turtles
< 1614545030 542590 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you want to read and then maybe write some nonse, there is now https://gist.github.com/arseniiv/859d9bbf2cb8c0054ff17c03e41bf6d1
< 1614545041 850394 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense*
< 1614545380 353651 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I see a serious bug
< 1614545390 718431 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv any output example?
< 1614545407 986737 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the snail takes a coin, it doesn’t vanish
< 1614545420 899609 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I should paste the output from the usual run
< 1614545465 603501 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, and I thought why the lazy strategy is so unreasonably good; now I see
< 1614545556 968360 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :snail strategy
< 1614545742 105820 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: now with output
< 1614545801 797998 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I thought it's a text generator
< 1614545850 249718 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
> 1614546682 306171 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81080&oldid=81077 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+115) 10/* String */
< 1614547577 766451 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has achieved the ~90% accuracy in measuring which photo is cool and which isn't
< 1614548824 224440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 521
< 1614548826 390201 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 521: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale
> 1614548942 489180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81081&oldid=81079 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+4112) 10
< 1614549071 47893 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw guys
< 1614549100 995257 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there were already two men (me and some guy few days ago) who wants to intersect categories in esowiki
> 1614549102 946941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81082&oldid=81048 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+11) 10/* P */
< 1614549125 979565 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since scraping them was a pretty quick and trivial thing
< 1614549177 483792 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could make a webpage that refreshes sometimes and provides some interface like... adding tags (categories) to a list to print their intersection
< 1614549192 277460 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could probably be adapted to other wikis but I don't use any
< 1614549236 754949 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not into HTML/CSS so I don't know which libraries I should take for such interface but that's not a big problem I guess
< 1614549500 589484 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Cat Day today in Russia
< 1614549527 988023 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can design the interface without CSS if the interface doesn't need it. I do know how to make forms in HTML; you do not need any library to do so.
< 1614549581 754483 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people love bells and wistles
> 1614549674 256726 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81083&oldid=81063 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+119) 10
> 1614549862 599310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81084&oldid=81081 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+4) 10/* Truth-Machine */
> 1614549898 227257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81085&oldid=81084 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-Machine */
> 1614549912 844232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81086&oldid=81085 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+0) 10/* truth-machine */
< 1614549925 733817 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> it's a Cat Day today in Russia => :o I didn’t know, I mewed (I mean that was my cat, she’s mewed) completely accidentally
< 1614550016 837879 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I know MediaWiki has API so you won’t necessary have to scrape the data from wiki pages, but I’m very bad at HTML+CSS+JS too
< 1614550035 425877 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv I meant scraping the API
> 1614550035 693862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81087&oldid=81086 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+109) 10/* Truth-machine */
< 1614550065 529728 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wanted to make a simple browser-based sound tool and I procrastinate doing that for several months now)
< 1614550086 782669 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least MW’s API should be not that bad, though I heard it may be too
< 1614550137 902852 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! It also had a Python API (which uses the regular HTTP one, of course), though I don’t remember if it was exclusively for bots or any users
< 1614550149 183615 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just needs a minute to scrape all the categories so it should rather be done periodically than when the user asks
< 1614550226 399859 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, of course, it can scrape only the categories the user choses
< 1614550264 167932 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d do the second way
< 1614550299 976355 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if he choses too many categories it will stop scraping when the folded intersection results has reached the empty array, but what if user want to not only intersect but also merge
> 1614550383 547658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81088&oldid=81087 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+3) 10/* Simple Pain Instuctions */
< 1614550526 674659 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like simple query language which has `AND` and `OR` and the parser constructs a, well, schedule what categories to scrape and what operations to make with the results. If it would take too long to do that and only finally show the result, only then a more complex design could be made?..
< 1614550609 954914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m giving silly unnecessary advice today, I don’t know why
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< 1614550667 784355 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: https://esolangs.org/logs/2021-02.html#l5Ib re category intersection
> 1614550701 352630 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81089&oldid=81088 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+3) 10/* Simple Pain Instuctions */
< 1614550725 39358 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv that advise isn't silly, actually it fits the target audience
> 1614550743 317651 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81090&oldid=81089 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+36) 10
< 1614550772 905741 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn’t know if it would be more of a parsing problem or something else
< 1614550798 801933 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas does it work? 
< 1614550828 456154 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I tried Wikipedia API tools like this one it could not search even Wikipedia itself
< 1614550848 41350 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and guys on Wikipedia IRC channel didn't figure out what's wrong ..D
< 1614550897 2675 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I won’t advice writing parsers in JS, that’s a language which had an underspecified String.split or String.replace, which broke when empty strings were passed as some of the arguments; don’t remember precisely what but that would be unthinkable for another mature language to have at its age
< 1614550930 882948 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it's an example of interface
< 1614550949 984006 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv lol
> 1614550950 664585 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81091&oldid=81090 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+73) 10
< 1614551019 961579 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw unrelated, I wonder what wonders are to come in Python 3.10. One guy implements a pattern matching PEP, that would be nice to have at last
< 1614551047 51877 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just check what was implemented in Ruby years ago
< 1614551066 863831 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mimic it with just a delay of ~10 years
< 1614551077 597857 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Python is too bland to mention frequently on this channel, but that’s my current language of choice, given it has a decent typing with tools like mypy. No Haskell but still nice, portable etc. numpy
< 1614551098 287542 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :took the pattern matching idea relatively fast though, just in two years or so
< 1614551119 794482 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A SQLite extension would help I think, then you can use full SQL codes to query it, including joins, intersections, etc. Another alternative would be RDF (you can then use SPARQL to query it, or my own idea which is SQL+RDF which is a bit similar). (I also recently saw something else that use PostgreSQL to access remote data with APIs, so that is another alternative.)
< 1614551148 816020 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 there is wiki plugin with web interface, it's just not installed
< 1614551187 602100 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ruby is… fail-unsafe, I’d say. Too dynamic? How do I say. That’s all a matter of taste of course, also I can’t stomach Perl too)
< 1614551206 580364 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't listen to propaganda
< 1614551221 631103 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also agree JavaScript is not the best programming language to write a parser, although you can do so and it will work OK. (I have done a few times)
< 1614551225 260000 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby was always the same as Python in view of safety and application
< 1614551237 313489 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only had much better stdlib, syntax, etc.
< 1614551251 225449 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though Perl has a thing like marpa parsing engine, ah)
< 1614551284 996533 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My programming language of choice mostly is C, but for some things, other programming languages can be good, and sometimes more than one is used
< 1614551306 143633 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C with GNU extensions)
< 1614551313 757124 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read which language was invented when and why
< 1614551320 342911 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant another kind of unsafeness, I can’t say exactly what I meant. I read the Ruby book a time ago and it was interesting but hm
> 1614551328 310276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81092&oldid=81091 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+3) 10/* Some other facts */
< 1614551343 430134 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby took the best from Python, Perl and Smalltalk and discarded the worst
< 1614551349 946244 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it admits static typing that well?..
< 1614551357 892409 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's its point
< 1614551361 481817 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1614551365 959543 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t live without static types too long, I’m afraid :D
< 1614551380 123788 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv it's already in Ruby 3.0
< 1614551397 820102 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will need to check out some time then
< 1614551407 532237 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was already for several years in Ruy 2.x via libraries
< 1614551407 912406 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for mentioning
< 1614551451 516815 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use it but AFAIK it's similar to Python in that you can either specify types or not, as much of them as you want
< 1614551470 352483 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some programs, I invent a programming language for its use; e.g. Free Hero Mesh has its own programming language (although Free Hero Mesh itself is written in C). I also think that should be invented a programming language for defining Magic: the Gathering cards, although I have not done that or implemented it, I wrote some ideas. Many other programs do similar things, but some use Lua or something like that instead.
< 1614551539 100486 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.ruby-lang.org/en/3.0.0/doc/syntax/pattern_matching_rdoc.html
< 1614551569 570438 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, JavaScript does not have PCRE regular expressions, so that is one thing that makes it worse.)
< 1614551674 939631 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python isn't PCRE either
< 1614551817 64064 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every corner of this language is full of bad language design decisions like this one
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< 1614552231 188637 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-165.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: sometimes it works, sometimes it silently doesn't give results or silently gives too few. I never figured out why. still better than nothing. 
< 1614552851 515655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I don't want PCRE as a default at all.
> 1614552989 695952 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81093&oldid=81092 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+92) 10/* Example programs */
> 1614553165 495046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81094&oldid=81093 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+95) 10/* Simple Pain */
> 1614553299 845916 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81095&oldid=81094 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+0) 10/* Simple Pain Instuctions */
< 1614553478 445587 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then, which one do you want?
> 1614553518 312735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81096&oldid=81095 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+4) 10/* Hello, world */
< 1614554166 969213 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm
< 1614554368 4301 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: .net-compliant regexp syntax?
< 1614554402 389001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something with no backtracking.
< 1614554832 18856 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are those ?-suffixed quantifiers ?? +? *?, do they behave better in this regard? I don’t precisely remember what’s the difference between them and usual greedy and non-greedy varietes
< 1614554857 573852 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.205.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also {m, n}? IIRC
< 1614555029 700685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just want a guarantee that it won't accidentally use a lot of time when matching.
< 1614555108 15666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the ?-suffixed things doesn't do that.
< 1614555851 29687 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
> 1614555958 598285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81097&oldid=81096 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+14) 10/* Proto Pain */
< 1614556079 612351 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1614556123 363371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=81098&oldid=81097 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+0) 10/* Simple Pain Instuctions */